Jones and Segal have different backgrounds. Segal grew up in Florida with a love for writing. Meanwhile, Jones hails from Chicago, where her activism started at a young age after joining the civil-rights-focused nonprofit Rainbow PUSH founded by Jesse Jackson. It was their role as mothers and writers that brought them together for the book.
“I think we’re seeing an incredible amount of activism from young people,” Segal said. “I think part of why we wanted to tell the story through this particular lens is because kids are part of the movement. Kids are part of how we create change, and it’s important to focus on them and encourage them in their stories.”
They met by way of a book club hosted by Little Shop of Stories in Decatur, where Jones served as general manager. "So, I went to the Little Shop of Stories when she was on shift" Segal said, "and I lurked around the store until she had a break and begged her to write this book with me.”
Lately, Jones and Segal have been active in what they call conscious and intentional work, participating in protests and calls for justice, and volunteering at food banks. At the top of 2021, the co-authors say they’re locking in plans to work with Title 1 schools, juvenile detention centers and nonprofit organizations.
The writers talked with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution about the book and how to keep conversations going about race and social justice. This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Atlanta authors Kimberly Jones and Gilly Segal make their YA debut with “I’m Not Dying with You Tonight.” Contributed by Sourcebooks Fire
Q: What has it been like working on a book like “I’m Not Dying With You Tonight” and having conversations around it when we’re actively living civil unrest and police protests in 2020?
Segal: In general, I will say it has been jarring but not surprising. I mean, the book is inspired by an incident that took place in 2015 (during the Baltimore protests.) So, I think on a smaller and more episodic scale, we have been living this — and communities of color have been living this — for a long time. One of the things that struck me the most while we were touring schools was how many students approached us after our talks and said to us, “Did you base this off of an incident that happened here at my school?” And then they would describe something that was one of the things that happened in the book — particularly the shooting that happened during the football game. A number of schools we visited went “Yeah, we had an event like that here.” That’s why I say it was jarring but not surprising.
Jones: The interesting part about it is when Gilly and I first started writing this book, we can’t tell you how many naysayers said to us “Is your book still going to be relevant upon release?” We’re looking around like, it’s been relevant for 40 years. What’s going to happen in the next two years? That’s the part that makes us sad. Gilly and I always say that we wish that this was a work of historical fiction, but it’s not. It’s a contemporary book, and it’s still a very contemporary book.
Q: For folks who are reading this, especially during a time of civil unrest, what do you hope that they walk away understanding?
Jones: One of the things that we hope they do is use it as a tool to open discussion. So that’s one of the things that we hope that they do. One of the primary things that we want them to walk away with is to understand that part of dismantling white supremacy, in America as we know it, is owning and accepting — and this is from the people who would relate to Campbell — is owning and accepting that because you have implicit bias that lives in you that you need to do work on; it doesn’t take hating yourself to grapple with that.
Segal: There’s a passage toward the end of the book that comes back to me a lot these days in light of where we are (in August of 2020) where Lena asks Campbell something... The gist of it is, “Where were you when we were peacefully protesting?” I think one of the things — and I probably wouldn’t have said this a year ago — but today, I hope one of the things people walk away from after reading the book is what does it take to pay attention to people’s pain and to really start on the path of creating change.
Kimberly Jones (left) and Gilly Segal (right) attend the NCTE/ALAN conference in November 2019.
Courtesy Gilly Segal and Kimberly Jones.
Q: Kim, you recently did a video that has gone viral, catching the attention of “The Daily Show With Trevor Noah.” What has the response been so far to that video?
Jones: I would say the response, so far, by and large, has been very positive. I don’t know if it’s my team or the world, but a good chunk of the negative response has been kept away from me. So I haven’t received it. I do have my fair share of trolls, but they are in no way around the same number of people I get from the Black community that say, “Thank you, this is what I’ve been thinking. I just didn’t know how to say it, or I thought I would get canceled. I thought I’d be risking my life for saying this, so thank you.” But I also get just as many messages from white Americans and non-Black people who say to me, “I don’t really think I understood the economic piece of it until I watched your video.”
Q: I know you both have been active and engaging in conversations with the community. Tell me a little bit about some of the things you both have been doing to make sure that we are continuing to have these conversations.
Jones: One of the things I’ve been proactive about in the last month is beyond just showing up in the expected places that people assume I will be, like marches and lectures and interviews and things like that—and I’m happy to do those things—all of these different pieces are part of the clock that is ticking. But also, like today, I’m at a food drive. Because part of helping in this situation is we have economic disparities and food disparities and medical disparities. So we have to be conscious that even though there are many of us fighting these front lines, there are still daily situations that are affecting the populations that we’re fighting for. We have to create opportunities while we fight for the legislation.
Segal: One of the things Kim and I get asked a lot is, “What can I do? How can I help?” And one of the things we like to talk about is the wingspan. So, in a given month, we all touch a variety of different organizations, places, people. So, like Kim said for me, it’s my corporate day job. I work at an advertising agency. It’s my faith organization. I belong to a synagogue here in Atlanta. For somebody else, it might be their church or their mosque, or it might be their volunteer organization. It might be your own home. It might be your children or the people that you live with. So, what are the things that you can look at and touch within a month? Start there. The marches and the protests and all that is so important, but so is incremental change within institutions and people.
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