“I’m astounded that Mr. Carney should say that the Free Syrian Army is now stronger,” McCain said, referring to moderate rebel fighters revolting against Syrian President Bashar al Assad. “In fact, they have been badly damaged.”
Carney responded, “That’s not what I said, senator. What I said is that we know a great deal more about the makeup of the opposition.”
The back-and-forth continued.
“No, no, facts are stubborn things, Mr. Carney, and that is, his entire national security team, including his secretary of state, said we want to arm and train and equip these people, and he made the unilateral decision to turn them down,” McCain said.
Is that the case here, or is McCain accurately retelling history?
Mass protests broke out in Syria in March 2011 against Assad, a powerful dictator, as the Arab spring continued to spark unrest in the region. Over the next two years, the situation in the country would escalate dramatically, with Assad turning his army on his own people and Syrians in turn taking up arms against the regime.
McCain and some of his congressional colleagues called for Obama to arm opposition groups, but the administration rejected those options.
McCain’s office noted that in February 2013, outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs, testified at a Senate Armed Services Committee that they supported a proposal to arm some rebels.
We learned more about this debate from another former member of the national security team, Hillary Clinton, thanks to her memoir Hard Choices, which recounted her time as secretary of state.
In the book, Clinton said she was reluctant to support efforts to arm Syrian opposition forces. She was reminded of the Afghan fighters who, armed with American guns to take on the Soviet Union, went on to form al-Qaida.
But in late-summer of 2012, she came to support a proposal put together by CIA director David Petraeus to provide some arms assistance and training to vetted groups so the United States would have an ally on the ground.
Obama, however, wasn’t convinced.
“He worried that arming the rebels was not likely to be enough to drive Assad from power and that with all the weapons already flowing into the country from Arab nations, our contributions would hardly be decisive,” she said.
In summary, the plan to arm rebels had the support of the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, the CIA director and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That’s a pretty convincing argument for McCain.
Clinton notes there was division within some quarters of the White House.
Whether McCain exaggerated his point comes down to how you define the national security team. McCain’s spokesman said, “The Senate-confirmed heads of the Pentagon, State Department, CIA and uniformed military are generally considered a president’s national security team.”
But the White House told PolitiFact that on “his national security team are also numerous members of the (National Security Council) staff, like the deputy national security advisors, for example.” The National Security Council also by law includes the vice president, and meetings are regularly attended by the Secretary of the Treasury and the national security adviser, as well.
Who is right? Both, said Dan Mahaffee, director of policy at the Center for the Study of the Presidency and Congress.
“There are two columns you put these people in,” Mahaffee said. “The ones empowered by law to give advice, and the larger, more informal staff that is equally if not more weighty in this administration.”
McCain said Obama’s “entire national security team, including his secretary of state, said we want to arm and train and equip (Syrian rebel forces), and he made the unilateral decision to turn them down.”
Obama did go against the advice of four key players on his administration’s National Security Team, including Clinton (secretary of state), Petraeus (CIA director), Panetta (defense secretary), and Dempsey (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff).
We don’t know the positions of many of Obama’s advisers during those deliberations, including Vice President Joe Biden and his national security adviser.
We rate McCain’s statement Mostly True.