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Selig “not dismissing” idea of reinstating Hank Aaron as home run king
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Braves legend Henry Aaron may again be baseball’s all-time home-run king.
For the first time Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig has said he would consider a move to strip Barry Bonds of his record for all-time home runs, according to a report.
Christine Brennan of USA Today called on Selig to alter baseball’s record book and reinstate Aaron as the official record-holder for the most career home runs. Aaron hit 755 in 23 seasons. Bonds broke Aaron’s record in 2007, and with his career seemingly over, he has 762 in 22 seasons.
In a telephone interview with Brennan on Wednesday, Selig said of altering the record book: “Once you start tinkering, you can create more problems. But I’m not dismissing it. I’m concerned. I’d like to get more evidence.”
Attempts to reach Selig and Aaron on Thursday evening were unsuccessful.
Bonds’ accomplishments have been tainted by allegations that he has used performance-enhancing substances. He was indicted in 2007 on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice and is accused of lying to a federal grand jury when he said he never used steroids.
The indictment is part of the ongoing federal investigation into the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative of Burlingame, Calif., that began when federal officials raided the lab in 2003 and allegedly found numerous illegal performance-enhancing substances.
The suspicions that Bonds was using illegal substances began to surface when he hit a record 73 home runs in the 2001 season.
The baseball commissioner’s power to alter the record book would fall under the broad category of making decisions in the “best interest of baseball,” a clause invoked by commissioners a number of times in a number ways.
The most relevant to this situation came in 1961 when Yankees outfielder Roger Maris was challenging Babe Ruth’s single-season record of 60 home runs, a mark he would eclipse that season with 61.
The American League schedule expanded from 154 games to 162 games for that season, and as Maris and teammate Mickey Mantle got close to 60 home runs, commissioner Ford Frick ruled that any player who reached or surpassed 60 home runs through 154 games on his team’s schedule would be recognized as a record-holder, but no one would who needed more than 154 games.
Publishers of baseball records reacted to Frick’s edict by adding an asterisk to Maris’ name, even though Frick wrote in his 1973 autobiography, “No asterisk has appeared in the official record in connection with that accomplishment.” In 1991, as baseball was compiling its version of an “official” record book, commissioner Fay Vincent ruled that any asterisk beside Maris’ name should be removed.
Related Links: Mike Luckovich’s Roids in Baseball • Hank Aaron Career Photos • Video: Aaron congratulates Barry Bonds
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By A Real Fan
February 12, 2009 6:57 PM | Link to this
Yes!
Make it so!
By siskel
February 12, 2009 6:58 PM | Link to this
good idea
By Lithoman
February 12, 2009 6:58 PM | Link to this
You can do it BUD! Hank is the man
By donmcneil
February 12, 2009 7:01 PM | Link to this
I would wholeheartedly support reinstating Hank Aaron as home run king. He played the game the way it was supposed to be played and was a player that kids and adults looked up to. Bonds has cast a negative shadow on the game that will last for years, and his arrogant attitude reflects poorly on the sport.
By tater
February 12, 2009 7:01 PM | Link to this
Great move.That’s the way it should be.
By phillip h barnhart
February 12, 2009 7:02 PM | Link to this
Baseball is sociologically irrelevant.
By Bear72
February 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this
“Reinstated”? Exactly when was the King deposed? Hank’s always been the greatest player in Braves history and one of the top three in baseball history, tops in my book, tied with Willie Mays.
Barry Who?
Youngsters can keep their steroid-bloated heroes, I’ll keep Hank as my favorite player of all time.
Happy 75th Hank! You’re still the king to me.
By Bullwinkle
February 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this
A message to Mr. Selig: Do something finally to help baseball. You have sat on your hands long enough. Restoring Hank Aaron to his rightful place as MLB’s home run king would be the first step in restoring some integrity to the game. Do it now, even if you take some criticism. The message will be clear: You will not be rewarded for cheating. And you don’t get any classier than Mr. Aaron.
By Ted Striker
February 12, 2009 7:04 PM | Link to this
I might just start attending baseball games again if Selig actually took that step.
That said, I think he’s being a unfair to single out A-Rod. If he did the same to everyone else previously, I’d think Selig was being less hypocritical.
There are many many players who have been found to have juiced — and many many who are on the “unnamed” list.
Final analysis from this corner: Selig is going this as a PR ploy, but maybe MLB is realizing fans can do without the game in it’s current state.
By DaleM
February 12, 2009 7:05 PM | Link to this
HANK AARON: HE ONCE AND FUTURE KING!
By DaleM
February 12, 2009 7:06 PM | Link to this
HANK AARON: THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING!
By Van
February 12, 2009 7:06 PM | Link to this
Yes, I think he should. It would send a message to these guys that if you play juiced, your accomplishments on the field mean nothing.
By damnthebutcher
February 12, 2009 7:09 PM | Link to this
The Hamma will always be the Home Run King!!!!
By Hammerin Hank
February 12, 2009 7:10 PM | Link to this
755 ftw
By BsB's
February 12, 2009 7:11 PM | Link to this
YES.
By DL
February 12, 2009 7:13 PM | Link to this
Absolutely! I don’t even like baseball, but people who cheat should be disqualified. Pro sports are so overrated these days with multi-million dollar salaries. This would make Pro sports much more interesting. Even better, Hank Aaron is a great guy and 100 x better role model than anyone in the last 20+ years.
By Tamarcus
February 12, 2009 7:19 PM | Link to this
If he does this then he better take away clemens records Mcguire’s, Sosa, palmero’s and take away A-rods for those years and all the guys that tested positive and what about those low level players and by the way those guys who played during the dead ball era and those who played during baseball segreation and while he is at it take away pete roses because he was actually banned from baseball. You guys just want to single out one guy and if you belief that those 104 who got caught were the only ones I got prime beach front property here in Macon to sell
By TJ
February 12, 2009 7:20 PM | Link to this
Reinstating Hank Aaron as the home run king is the the right thing to do as the baseball commissioner, sending a message to world and other players that cheating WILL NOT be tolerated in MLB.
By John
February 12, 2009 7:20 PM | Link to this
As a life long fan of baseball and more importantly the Braves, #44 is and will always be the HOME RUN KING.
By HB
February 12, 2009 7:22 PM | Link to this
This Buds for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just Do It
By Mike
February 12, 2009 7:23 PM | Link to this
Hank IS the King!
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
February 12, 2009 7:24 PM | Link to this
While he’s at it, he needs to assert that the single-season record is 61 and belongs to Roger Maris. The accomplishments of McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, Palmeiro, Rodriguez and all the other ‘roid, Hgh and assorted drug creations should have all mention of themselves expunged from the official record as if they never played the game. In reality, they never did!
By Tampaparrotthead
February 12, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this
If The Hammer were playing in 2009 at 35 years-old, just as the game is today, he would make Bonds, McGuire and even A-Rod look like “punch & judy” hitters… WITHOUT STEROIDS OR ANY SUBSTANCE, BANNED OR NOT!!
These guys couldn’t carry Hank Aaron’s bat bag, and what he did he did with God given talent, hard work, perserverance and humility that only a man who grew up as he did would have.
I’m 49 years-old and proud to say that I saw the greatest player of all time in person many times… and his name is Henry Aaron!!
HAPPY 75TH BIRTHDAY MR. AARON!!
By PTC DAWG
February 12, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this
Anybody who thinks the HR King is not Aaron, well, they are an idiot.
By Danny G
February 12, 2009 7:29 PM | Link to this
I have never seen a totally positive blog before. We love you Hank and you will get your crown back.
By Dan
February 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Link to this
Wipe out Bonds and Clemons stats after they starting juicing. Henry Aaron is the Home Run King no matter what.
By RR
February 12, 2009 7:39 PM | Link to this
Hank may be the man, but more to the point is that Barry is not.
By Rajcos 573
February 12, 2009 7:42 PM | Link to this
I have never considered Hank Aaron’s home run record truly broken because he achieved it through pure talent and hard work.
Hank Aaron is a class act and will never be replaced by the likes of Bonds; in home runs or in stature.
By AtlantaDLH
February 12, 2009 7:48 PM | Link to this
Aaron and those that set the records back before all of the performance enhancing tricks are the real heroes of the game. All of the modern guys who have drugs and even the specialized training techniques should all have an * beside any record set, if it should be recorded at all. I still remember the night Hank Aaron set the record…I was 10 years old! Give him back what he deserves!
By Ginger
February 12, 2009 7:50 PM | Link to this
In my mind, Hammerin’ Hank never stopped being the homerun king. A move like that may go a ways toward restoring baseball to its former glory. Do it!
By willevans
February 12, 2009 7:50 PM | Link to this
please read bullwinkles remarks. they are exactly right!
By gtforever
February 12, 2009 7:56 PM | Link to this
Good Grief! WHO CARES if these PROFESSIONALS use STEROIDS! NOBODY!
By spotts
February 12, 2009 8:04 PM | Link to this
Somebody spelled Luckovich wrong…
By Dave..
February 12, 2009 8:20 PM | Link to this
In all fairness, Barry Bonds may have lied…he may have used steroids…however, no one knows what kinds of uppers, speed, or any other drugs players used in Hank Aaron’s day and I don’t remember there being ANY banned substances in baseball when Bonds started hitting them out of the park! That said, Aaron is still king!
By Robert
February 12, 2009 8:25 PM | Link to this
Hank Aaron is the king but Bonds holds the record. You can’t pick and choose which records stand and which don’t. Selig is part of the problem because he and MLB allowed this stuff to happen and did nothing. The players, MLB management, etc are all to blame for the steroids era.
By Fred
February 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Link to this
Aaron is a bitter man, he always has been. his record was broken. The record he broke was set by a drunk. Should Babe Ruth’s marks be discounted because he was a drunk?
If Bond was a likable person there would be no discussion here. Virtually every player has been drugged up in the last 30 years. Get over it. Who really cares anyways? Are any of these folks giving us World Peace or a cure for Cancer? I thought not.
By George
February 12, 2009 8:30 PM | Link to this
And while you’re at it, put the great Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.
By The72John
February 12, 2009 8:53 PM | Link to this
Hank Aaron is a BITTER man? Are you kidding? He has never had a single word to say about Barry Bonds and his “breaking” of Hank’s record. He has been gracious for decades, despite the fact that he spent the last year of his pursuing Ruth’s record under Federal protection because of all the death threats against him.
Is Bonds an unlikeable, arrogant jerk? YES. And that may have something to do with people’s enthusiasm over this possible “record” reversal, but the truth is, no matter how much Bond and his lawyers try to spin it, that Bonds was juicing heavily for years. His power stats took a DRAMATIC turn over a single season.
Bonds’ likability or lack thereof is irrelevant. He is a cheat in addition to being a completely reprehensible human being, and he should NOT have this record.
By Grace
February 12, 2009 8:58 PM | Link to this
Finally Hank Aaron is the King.
The rest are cheating, spoiled posers. (uh…Fred? c’mon out of the cave into the sunlight, fella.) I could not believe my eyes when I saw this headline. Best news I’ve seen in a long while.
By Matt the Brave
February 12, 2009 8:59 PM | Link to this
I love Hank, but honestly?! This only goes to prove to me that Bud Selig is going to kill baseball. He’s just covering his own butt for letting steroids take over baseball and turning a blind eye to it. I SO wish that he would go ahead and retire so that we could have baseball as the national pastime again.
Are all of the people who played in the steroid era going to have their records taken off the books? I mean, I guess that means that all the championships from 1970 to today aren’t official. Also, are Maddux’s, Smoltz, and Glavine’s Cy Young Awards going to be taken away?
It’s just ridiculous.
By Old Dawg
February 12, 2009 9:00 PM | Link to this
Barry Bonds: Throw da bum out!
By Josh M
February 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Link to this
This is all Selig’s fault. Don’t praise him for acting 15 years too late.
By Blue Devil
February 12, 2009 9:20 PM | Link to this
F Bonds, F A-Rod, and F every other cheater. Aaron has always been the home run leader and anyone who conceded it to Bonds is retarded.
By m
February 12, 2009 9:21 PM | Link to this
You can not do it soon enough for me and a lot of people. He is the one.
By MP
February 12, 2009 9:31 PM | Link to this
Baseball as we knew it is gone and Bud can do nothing about it. All we can do is remember the way it was.
The Babe would argue that Aaron had performance enhancing bats and performance enhancing food. The Babe is who he is, the Hammer is who he is, and Barry is who he is.
By Blane McFarnersternski
February 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Link to this
Aaron was juiced on cigarettes and sour grapes!
By Tami
February 12, 2009 9:38 PM | Link to this
I’m all for it…why not? Aaron is a true baseball hero, and broke Ruth’s record honestly by sheer athletic talent.
Judging by how Bud perceives both Bonds and Rodriguez these days, I don’t think he’s going to allow the record books to continue as is. Bud might have a fight on his hands, though. It’s the one thing, however…the ONE thing that I actually agree with him on.
Bud’s done far too much harm to the game by turning a blind eye to everything that’s been going on while he’s been at the helm. He should go away too. Bring in SOMEONE who will do the game justice!
By Legend of Len Barker
February 12, 2009 9:38 PM | Link to this
Selig’s not about to reinstate Aaron. To do so would be to admit guilt.
From a legal standpoint, he can’t do it. If he did, he’d have to wipe every record of everyone who was caught using a banned substance.
Unfortunately, there is no precedent that says he can. And Miss Commissioner isn’t about to attempt to set one.
Every baseball player who has tweaked the rules to his benefit and has been caught has been allowed to keep his statistics. Pete Rose is still the all-time hit king and the Reds were allowed to keep whatever wins and losses they had under his managerial stead. Chris Sabo, Albert Belle, and Sosa were caught using corked bats (marbles, actually in Sabo’s). None of their other hitting was taken away from them. Rodriguez’s MVP award will stay in his name and he’s ADMITTED that was one of the years he was on the juice.
Gaylord Perry and Don Sutton both revel in their use of foreign substances to doctor baseballs. Have their records been taken away from them? No! Both are in the Hall of Fame. Just like Bonds, no one did anything about it when they were active.
Bonds and his lawyers are perfectly aware that it would take a precedent to erase his name from the record books. A legal precedent. This Mitchell Report has stated that baseball, i.e. Selig is just as culpable as any of the cheaters. A judge isn’t going to strike his name from the record because of Selig’s gross indifference to the health and well-being of players and the game’s dignity.
May I add that Selig is also the one who determined that Bart Giamatti’s permanent ban of Pete Rose wasn’t so permanent after all.
If Bud Selig cares at all about the game of baseball, his best move is to resign. No one will ever take him seriously again. Even if has the Secret Service posted on every player for every single second of the day, I will not believe that he wants to do anything except make money.
Back on to the subject of cheating, I am curious about the next ten years. How many 40+ year old players will be experience significant health problems? Steroids have a nasty way of catching up with folks. Most of that is heart, liver, kidney, and bone damage. Lyle Alzado and a billion pro wrestlers are not-so living proof of that.
By gnofg
February 12, 2009 9:39 PM | Link to this
you guys are all nuts. Mays was always the better player. Better fielder, more dominant player(lost 2 years to the service), played in a harder place to hit homers, anyone who grew up in the sixties knows what I am saying is true. The guy who was 49 never really saw Mays. If Mays hadn’t lost the years to the Army and played in Milwaukee and Atlanta he would have hit 800 homers. He is the only player to hit 50 homers in a season 10 years apart. Aaron never hit 50 homers. Mays was voted player of the decade in the 60’s When was Aaron ever voted player of any decade.
By BadgerDawg
February 12, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this
What was Hank doing that just was never reported? Greenies? I’m not accusing, but my understanding is that everyone was doing these things back then. Maybe not quite as bad as steroids, but still illegal and still not OK.
Since all athletic accomplishments in the last 50 years are tainted, as much as I dislike Bonds it’s not fair to to direct all animosity at him.
I am not a Babe Ruth fan and am glad Hank broke the record, but his alcohol was anything but an “enhancing” drug and to compare that to Bonds’ drug use and even Aaron’s potential use is idiotic at best.
By Gene Conner
February 12, 2009 9:44 PM | Link to this
I think it should Hammering Hank got Robbed because Bonds Cheated!!!
By Rodger
February 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Link to this
Bonds should not be rewardwd for the way he cheated. He and the others like him should be thrown out of the game. Aaron did it the right way and he is every thing Bonds is not- Bonds will never make the 3000 hit club while Aaron is 3rd most hits all time. Aaron is the all time RBI king- no one in baseball history ever had more runs batted in and it is part of the triple crown. Aaron is still in the top 20 for most stolen bases- Bonds will never come close. get rid of Bonds.
by RodgerBy CJDawg
February 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this
Selig will leave this alone simply because what a player does on the field determines his place in the game. that means shoeless Joe and Pete would haave to be let him. I will NEVER understand why shoeless joe has been banned. If he threw that WS, I’m a rocket scientist. What’d he hit……366 with 9 rbi’s? I cant recall….and Pete, come on. Let’s get this ALL right.
By Davdi S
February 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this
Hey Bud, make sure the asterix is big enough so that you can’t read Barry’s name.
By Ray Goff
February 12, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this
So using uppers and other illicit drugs is okay, just as long as you aren’t Barry Bonds.
Whatever. Every player with balls has admitted to widespread drug use in MLB, and now it’s a big deal?
By Hal Boyd
February 12, 2009 9:51 PM | Link to this
Bonds never broke the record. He is a lier, a cheater and a disgrace to the game. Take him out Mr. Selig!
By NocaHoma
February 12, 2009 9:56 PM | Link to this
This is just Bud Selig pandering to the crowd to cover up his incredible negligence during his tenure as commissioner. He let this go on for 15 years and now he is going to do something? Give me a break. He is without a doubt the worst commissioner in professional sports history. Bowie Kuhn was bad, but at least he wasnt around that long.
on the steroids issue, the fact is the cows are out of the barn..there is no way you can punish Bonds without punishing everyone else who did them..and that is impossible since no one knows who was doing what and everyone is lying. It was just LAST YEAR that baseball made players quit taking amphetimines. The exact same pills that you or I would be arrested for if caught with.
Now baseball historians are going to have to put an asterisk besides 15 years of baseball history..great legacy, Bud!
By Jeff
February 12, 2009 9:57 PM | Link to this
I would love to see Barry Bond’s home run record removed. The guy is a cocky cheater, his career will forever be tainted as OJ Simpson’s was. Go ahead and strip the record from him and give it to a real baseball player. Hank Aaron.
By gnofg
February 12, 2009 10:08 PM | Link to this
you guys are all nuts. Mays was always the better player. Better fielder, more dominant player(lost 2 years to the service), played in a harder place to hit homers, anyone who grew up in the sixties knows what I am saying is true. The guy who was 49 never really saw Mays. If Mays hadn’t lost the years to the Army and played in Milwaukee and Atlanta he would have hit 800 homers. He is the only player to hit 50 homers in a season 10 years apart. Aaron never hit 50 homers. Mays was voted player of the decade in the 60’s When was Aaron ever voted player of any decade.
By Blane McFarnersternski
February 12, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
Best baseball player of all time? Babe Ruth. No contest.
By Chuck P
February 12, 2009 10:23 PM | Link to this
Should Aaron be listed above Bonds? Absolutely! I’d also like to add though, that the left field fence was bought in 10 feet in the power alley during Aaron’s last few years in Atlanta. (from 385’ to 375’). After Aaron left, the fence was pushed back to 385 feet and has remained there ever since. I know Aaron was treated badly by some people, mostly before my time….but I’ve never forgot what Aaron said at his first press conference upon returning to Milwaukee in 1975. When asked how he felt, Aaron replied, “It feels good to be out of the bush leagues”….heck, I was just 17 and a BIG Braves fan living in Atlanta, why trash me like that?
By Add Murphy to the H.O.F.
February 12, 2009 10:37 PM | Link to this
Do it as a symbol of the way players should treat their bodies, instead of cheating to gain a competitive advantage. I also think Murphy should be in the Hall because his numbers justify the honor when you consider he was one of the last generation of players who didn’t artificially prolong their careers. Drugs could have given him another 200 home runs but he did it the right way.
By Cleve
February 12, 2009 10:43 PM | Link to this
YES!!!! Please do this, Hank is and always will be the true home run king,as far as im concerned, bonds should have never had that record in the first place, he is a disgrace to the sport and its not wonder no team would sign him last year.
By Sunshine
February 12, 2009 10:50 PM | Link to this
Amen Bud! Bonds never was the home run King. Bonds is the Cheating and Lying King. In my mind and heart, Hamerin’ Hank has been the Home Run King since he broke the babes record. Hank always will be the king unless someone who is NOT cheating breaks the record. Its time these overpaid athletes wake up and stop the cheating. These cheaters are NOT role models. Hank is the role model supreme!
By gary
February 12, 2009 11:04 PM | Link to this
Hank Rules!
By Ljdawg
February 12, 2009 11:09 PM | Link to this
WHO HIT THE BALL OVER THE FIELD THE MOST? BONDS!!!! I DON’T CARE IF ALL OF YOU HATERS THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET SOME KIND OF SATISFACTION BY HAVING A CROOK CALL HIMSELF RIGHTING A WRONG, BUT GET REAL. WHAT ABOUT CLEMENS STRIKEOUTS? YOU WANT THOSE BACK AS WELL? WHAT ABOUT THE WORLD SERIES CLEMENS HELP WIN? YOU WANT THA BACK TO? GET REAL AND QUIT ALL THIS HATING!!!!!! DO WE THROW TY COBB OUT OF THE HALL FOR BEING A RACIST AND DRUNK WHO DID SOME HORRIBLE ACTS ON THE FIELD AND PROBABLY COULDN’T A ENDORSEMENT DEAL IN TODAY’S MARKET? I THINK BUD WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO HELPING BASEBALL BY GETTING RID OF HIMSELF AND TAKE THAT TIE AT THE ALL-STAR GAME WITH YOU!!!!!!!
By LJ
February 12, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this
IT’S FUNNY TO HEAR ALL OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE PRAISING HANK AARON!!!!! LOL YOU ARE PROBABLY THE SAME PEOPLE THREATING TO KILL HIM DURING HIS HOMERUN CHASE!!!!!!! YOU REMEBER ALL OF THE “YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A APE HANK” COMMNTS!!!! BONDS RULE!!!! HATERS!
By Georgia Gal
February 12, 2009 11:39 PM | Link to this
First of all, let me say, LJ you’re a pig (and not just any pig, but a racist pig. Saying what you said about white people makes you a racist).
Second of all, but first and foremost, I really hope they do this. I never thought Bonds should’ve been allowed to hold that record, because even back then everybody knew that he used steroids and therefore most of those homeruns were not legitimate.
By LJ
February 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Link to this
3 MVP(s) AND 400 HOMERUNS BEFORE ANY OF THIS STEROID CRAP SO IDON’T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY BONDS DOESN’T DESERVE SOMETHING!!!!!! GET REAL AND AS FOR THE PIG COMMENT……..WHATEVER!!!! YOU ARE PROBABLY CALLING ME WORSE THAN THAT IN YOUR LIVING ROOM! LOL
By dave
February 12, 2009 11:46 PM | Link to this
Hank Aaron still holds the record in my opinion.
By Rodger
February 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Link to this
Bonds should not be rewardwd for the way he cheated. He and the others like him should be thrown out of the game. Aaron did it the right way and he is every thing Bonds is not- Bonds will never make the 3000 hit club while Aaron is 3rd most hits all time. Aaron is the all time RBI king- no one in baseball history ever had more runs batted in and it is part of the triple crown. Aaron is still in the top 20 for most stolen bases- Bonds will never come close. get rid of Bonds.
by RodgerBy Georgia Gal
February 13, 2009 12:10 AM | Link to this
LJ,
He broke the law … that’s why he doesn’t deserve something. And can you please stop with the shouting (i.e., all CAPS)??
By Legend of Len Barker
February 13, 2009 12:12 AM | Link to this
Bonds is one of my least favorite individuals. I continue to regard Henry Aaron as the true home run king.
Yes, Bonds cheated. I think we can all confidently say that. His cheating arguably carried him to greater heights than other cheaters.
But if we dismiss him, we have a whole lot of others to dismiss as well. Admitted cheaters.
Two Atlanta connections have publicly admitted their cheating over the years. Reveled in it. They’re both in the Hall of Fame and 300 game winners.
These men are Don Sutton and Gaylord Perry. Sutton liked sandpaper, Perry Vaseline.
We celebrate these two men. Should they be allowed to keep their records and HOF status while Bonds is thrown out the door?
If the aim is to get rid of the records of cheaters, we have a long list. Why should we stop at Bonds’ all-time home run record? Why isn’t Selig stating that he’ll overturn all records that were obliterated by known cheaters?
To placate you.
Roger Maris, he of the Ford Frick-removed asterisk 1961 season had a nice little record going until the summer of McGwire and Sosa. Then Sosa. Then Bonds.
Bonds has several other records. Intentional walks. Slugging percentage. Selig’s not even discussing those.
He’s merely throwing out the big to placate you, the fans, into thinking he has a shred of decency.
You know he can’t act upon it. If he removes Bonds, Bonds’ legal team is going to feast.
They’ll ask why he isn’t removing records of non-cheaters. They’ll ask why this was addressed so late. They’ll argue - and successfully - that Selig was essentially a dealer. He turned his shoulder while the records were shattered. When Caminiti gave that interview to Sports Illustrated. During the original Senate hearings. When Jose Canseco wrote Juiced.
You notice that while Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemens are freshly in the news, Commissioner Selig has not mentioned removing their records. Clemens won multiple ERA and Cy Young awards. Rodriguez had an MVP season in Texas. A year in which he ADMITS he was on steroids.
As stated, I dislike Bonds as much as anyone, but Selig’s selective history dealing is ludicrous.
But I’m not worried. He’ll never do it.
So let us dream on, fellow Henry Aaron fans.
In the land where horses are born with eagle wings And honey bees have lost their stings There’s singing, forever
By The Truth
February 13, 2009 12:14 AM | Link to this
“By Blane McFarnersternski
February 12, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this
Best baseball player of all time? Babe Ruth. No contest”
The only comment on here worth reading. Anybody that doesn’t recognize this, doesn’t know enough about baseball!!
Mr. Aaron was a great player and deserves to hold the modern record, and may be the 2nd best home run hitter. Without a doubt, the best player AND best home run hitter…hands-down, the Babe. There never has been more God-given baseball talent in ANY player!
By Scoreboard
February 13, 2009 12:15 AM | Link to this
LJ is a typical n1g n0g who has to defend a cheater like Bonds because he feels better about cheating the government when he collects his welfare and food stamps.
By DHD
February 13, 2009 12:18 AM | Link to this
The All Time HR King is Babe Ruth
By Deepdiver
February 13, 2009 1:05 AM | Link to this
Screw that. Fire Bud Selig. The idiot turned his back on the steroid problem and wouldn’t test for it, even though he knew the problem existed and now he just blames the players even though he made mega money off of it. Bud Selig is the worst liar and loser ever!
By Hammertime
February 13, 2009 1:38 AM | Link to this
I hate to borrow from Nike, but JUST DO IT. At this point I don’t care if it’s because Barry Bonds was juiced or because he’s a punk. It doesn’t matter. Aaron is the rightful “King” both on and off the baseball field because he did things the right way. 755, 755, 755…..
By say what The Truth
February 13, 2009 1:45 AM | Link to this
So the Babe was better than Hank? How many times did you see Babe play? Don’t count the old black and white films showing him waddle around the bases.
By George P. Burdell
February 13, 2009 2:19 AM | Link to this
I’m all for Hank getting it back. What really bothers me is someonoe like Dale Murphy getting looked past because of the “Roids”. Murphy was, I believe, 27th on all time homeruns when he retired, two time MVP, Golden Gloves, etc. and he is not even being considered for the Hall. Now he doesn’t even show up on the HR list because anyone and their brother is on that list?
If MLB doesn’t put Murphy in the Hall and reinstate Aaron as the HR king, it is done as far as the end all be all in baseball.
By mike
February 13, 2009 4:27 AM | Link to this
So does that mean that Josh Gibson becomes the HR king. Ask Hank how many homers Josh hit in a season and thru his career. He did not take riods but people who look like selig did not allow him and others to play because Josh was a shade off color. Those were the real players.
By elainer7
February 13, 2009 5:45 AM | Link to this
I never acknowledged that Bonds had broken any records so Hank remained my home run hero!! Now lets get Bonds out of the record books!!!
By Ron
February 13, 2009 5:54 AM | Link to this
Just think of all the "what ifs". If Babe had not smoked and drank and took at least minimal care of himself. However, Hank Aaron is the home run king and always will be . Lots of important info in posts and I cannot see all records corrected but they can start with this one. Glad LJ finally went to bed so he can go to school or work later this AM. When mentioning names do not forget about Satchel Paige as another "what if." Aaron,Murphy, Williams and many more were heroes and not "Action Figures " running on energizer bunny batteries.By Lester
February 13, 2009 6:50 AM | Link to this
First of all in the early days of baseball, the players were taking morphine for pain, cocaine and other drugs, (ie: nicotine(bullpen) etc. before they were illegal. There was no drug tests. Do we need to empty the Hall of Fame with players that have been idols for decades? In Hanks day, they were putting lead in the bats, then cork,(George Brett). Every player in baseball was doing something to better their game. It’s no different, today steiroids tomorrow, something else. While we’re on the subjest Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
By Mac
February 13, 2009 7:18 AM | Link to this
I never recognized the Bonds “record,” since it became common knowledge he was a juicer long before he attained it.
By jason
February 13, 2009 7:30 AM | Link to this
If Bud really wanted to get his pathetic job record a bump for the positive it would be this.
By wyman
February 13, 2009 7:33 AM | Link to this
How can you “designate” Hank Aaron the home run king and not put an astrisk noting that he had a short fence designed for his hitting? Before you take anything away from Bonds shouldn’t you at least prove that none of the pitchers he faced were on drugs or had tommy john surgery to enhance their performance?
By jg
February 13, 2009 7:51 AM | Link to this
Stop!
HAMMER TIME - O O O O O - Can’t touch this!
755
By Peter
February 13, 2009 8:05 AM | Link to this
Earn the $19 Million a year you get paid Bud !
By Alton E. Drew
February 13, 2009 8:09 AM | Link to this
I have lost my patience with Barry Bonds. Hank Aaron is the home run king.
By Doug Markham
February 13, 2009 8:13 AM | Link to this
It is a no brainer. You don’t have to make $18 million a year to understand who the rightful owner of the home run record is , and while baseball is at it, return the single season record to Maris. If the guys in question aren’t going to get receive enough support for the Hall of Fame—-and it will be tough many of them including Bonds— then they sure shouldn’t be recognized as the kings of anything other than cheating, greed, and shame. I
By Ronnie B
February 13, 2009 8:21 AM | Link to this
While Selig is at it, he can look at stripping every record of every player who played when the league was segregated. That’s every bit as “horrible” and “awful” and “outrageous” as steroid use.
By S
February 13, 2009 8:31 AM | Link to this
Most likely not. The team would have a fit if you tried to take their wins away from them. But you can’t have it both ways. Strip Bonds of the home runs, then you have to strip the team of the wins as well. Let’s see if they talk about that.
By Henry Hatcher
February 13, 2009 8:39 AM | Link to this
I agree with “old dawg”. Throw da bum out, and while you are at it throw all the other bums out who have ever used performance enhancing substances. Implement a zero tolerance for any future use of performance enhancing substances for any “stupid” bums who may try to use them in the future. Reinstate all the former record holders whose records have been broken by performance enhancing substance users including the “Hammer”. Mr Selig’s resignation should be announced along with the above actions, and then we can “PLAY BALL”!!!!!!!!!
By Babe Ruth
February 13, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this
I am the KING!! The greatest of ALLL TIIIIIIIIIME!!!!!!!!!!
By RT
February 13, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this
Barry Bonds hit the ball over the fence more times than Hammerin’ Hank. Leave it alone. Sure, he juiced. Juice alone won’t make you big. Admittedly it helps, but it is dedication in the gym that allows you to gain mass. Grow up people, when Hank was playing there were players using HGH from cadavers because synthetics were not available. They juice has been denied by many and only tested on a few. By the way, I wonder how many times a cork filled bat has been swung by “you know who”. Leave bonds the king. It will only last a few years until the next home run king comes around. Steroid use has been a factor in professional sports for at least 30 years and will be for years to come.
By The Nerd
February 13, 2009 8:54 AM | Link to this
S is right! If you strip Bonds of his home run record, it would upset every other statuses as well. Not only with the Giants, but the Pirates and other MLB teams as well. There is some sort of statute of limitations when it comes to baseball and it’s steroid scandal. To the people, including Bud Selig, you all should be ashame of yourselves. Once a record is broken, drugs or no drugs, it’s final and it can’t be challenged.
By Todd Green
February 13, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
I will never consider Aaron as a Home Run King and the firs to surpass a les than stellar Babe Ruth. That being said, regardless of how it was done, this would be wrong UNLESS and I say UNLESS all those under question are stripped of their stats. There has been no real talk of the A-ROD records. It seems as though he get a pass for admitting use AFTER it was outted. Barry Bonds is the home run king, behind Josh Gibson :)
By rt
February 13, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
Put Pete in.
By Robert
February 13, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
Throw out the records of Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, A-Rod, all of them. The International Olympic Committee and the N.C.A.A. does it all the time. There is no reason why MLB can’t also.
I am also sick of this myth that steroids weren’t against the rules. As the S.I. article pointed out, although steroids were no specifically mentioned, illegal drugs were against the rules, and any prescription drug taken without a prescription is illegal.
By OutSideAgitator
February 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Link to this
**HAMMERIN HANK WILL ALWAYS BE HR KING. LONG LIVE THE KING!!
By TPM
February 13, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this
Recalculating records is a slippery slope. Are all the fans in Brave Nation ready to put an asterik if Chipper tops Mickey Mantle in the switch-hitting home run title ? What is the criteria for stripping records ? Just wait unitl you see all The Braves on the list of 104 juicers in 2003.
By braveswin
February 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Link to this
Bonds hit more homeruns than anyone else period. You can’t say he never hit them. If you want to ban him from baseball and keep him out of the Hall (if he is convicted) then fine. If you want to put an * by his records then be prepared to put an * by EVERYONES records that played in his era. There is no perfect answer to this problem. In 150 years people will still attach a stigma to Bonds records regardless of what the commish does or does not do. Bonds is a pariah and nothing he can do will ever change that. Just leave his #s up there for all to see along with A-Fraud
By RC
February 13, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this
Bet you if Hank Aaron was white, you wouldnt see positive responses
By Keeping It Real
February 13, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this
It is amazing how all the do gooders,know-it-alls,traditionalists,loyalist,etc. on this blog can come down on Bonds and baseball records at a time when the so-called leaders and mover-shakers of our country make him and the other players look like a saints in comparison. No one follows the rules. We must be the most hypictitical conuntry in the history of man.
By Creegah
February 13, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this
Mays took “a handfull of greenies” just to get out of the dugout (his book). His records should be stripped also. If Bonds had played in bush league Atlanta, he probably would have hit 1000 HRs. Without ‘roids. and without a corked bat.
By RON
February 13, 2009 10:06 AM | Link to this
Hey everyone,
If Hank had cheated with steriods there would be no person alive that would have come close to him.
By Bob Horner
February 13, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this
I am the true Home Run King!
By Luanne
February 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this
Way to go Bud!!!! Hank Aaron will always be the King!
By redwing
February 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this
Hank is the genuine one. He has always been admired and looked up to. Bonds, McGwire et al are frauds, and should be treated as such
By Rusty
February 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this
Retro-act the change of the foul pole rule in the early 1920’s (look it up) and Ruth has 800+ Homeruns with 1200(yes 1200) fewer at bats than Aaron.Babe Ruth was the first international sports star, he singlehandedly saved the game after the Blacksox scandal. Ya’ll can say what you want,but “The Babe” is the true King and Bonds and Aaron and anyone who knows anything about the history of this coveted title know it also.
By DJ
February 13, 2009 10:31 AM | Link to this
The only thing Bud Selig should remove from major league baseball is himself. He is a disgrace to the job and to the sport, and should resign or be forceably removed (owners vote? who is his boss, anyway?). And of course, Donald Fehr should go too. The two of them are worse for the game of baseball than any syringe-toting player.
By Maconboy
February 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this
Am I missing something here, if the use of steriods or illegal performance-enhancing substances is in fact illegal, why are these people still on the street? Why are some of our laws in this country enforced but not others? I could go on & on about this……
By Clay
February 13, 2009 11:20 AM | Link to this
Hank Aaron never was dethroned!!! Everyone knew that Barroid Bonds cheated ny using anabolic steroids. Hammerin’ Hank Aaron is still the Homerun King to all respectable baseball fans! Mr. Aaron was a very honorable and dignified baseball player, something Barroid Bonds never was.
By Brown-Eyed Girl!
February 13, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this
You know, until today, I would have agreed with the majority of the bloggers here. But fortunately, I am a reasonable and fair person which allows me to think things through. The bottom line is this. We have to take baseball as it is or leave it. The reality is, throughout the history of the game, there have been circumstances that have cause the game not to be completely fair or accurate. The reality is, Babe Ruth did not play with ALL of his eligible peers. There is no consistancy in the lengths of the stadiums. Atlanta Fulton County stadium wasn’t known as the “Launching Pad” for nothing. People in general and athletes have taken drugs for whatever based on what was available to them to serve whatever purpose needed.
I adore Hank Aaron and hated when anyone began to challenge his record. But this is what’s real. Barry Bond broke his record, steroids or not. He is the new home run leader. All of his legal issues will be settled in a court of law. We can’t pick and chose who we want here. Each time there has been a change in the baseball world and this country period, we make adjustments. We don’t throw out everything that happened prior as if it never happened. It did happen! We just pick up and move forward. Bud is trying to do this now to make himself look good, but it makes him look ridiculous! The “shame” in baseball is that he so obviously knew that this stuff was going on and never did anything about it. The fact that 104 guys failed a drug test has been out there now for about 6 years. If he suspends A-Rod, he then has to release all of the names on that list and discipline them as well. I happen to love the game of baseball. Watched the Braves growing up when they had to climb just to be in last place in the NL West. I will continue to watch baseball when all of the steroid mess is a thing of the past. Something else is going to come up. Please believe it! For real fans, they will watch until the love of the game is gone.
P.S. I do agree that Bud Selig is what’s wrong with baseball and needs to resign or retire!
By Lew Hege
February 13, 2009 11:39 AM | Link to this
All records of Bonds, McGwire, Palmiero, A-Rod, Clemens, etc. should be expunged. Until this is done baseball will have a dark cloud hovering over the sport.
By timthebrave
February 13, 2009 12:05 PM | Link to this
They just have to put an asterisk next to all of the caught cheaters names.
B. Bonds* Rodriquez* Mcquire* Sosa*
*Denotes players that cheated and had no integrity in setting these records.
By Lew Hege
February 13, 2009 12:40 PM | Link to this
All records of Bonds, McGwire, Palmiero, A-Rod, Clemens, etc. should be expunged. Until this is done baseball will have a dark cloud hovering over the sport.
By Good Move
February 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Link to this
Yes Bud should make this move if the evidence is there. Hank never did anything like this and should still be the man!
By Bud Needs to Go
February 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Link to this
I agree with reinstating Hank as the homerun king. However, I think Selig needs to go. He had to know something was going on with these players (Bond, McGwire, A-Rod, etc.) and he did nothing about it at the time. Bug got down on his knees, at the time, for McGwire beceause he “saved the game.” Get Bud out of there…he needs to own up to his knowledge of what was going on.
By Todd W. Hunter
February 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe that Selig would need to gather more “info” prior to making a change to the record book concerning the “Home Run Record”, any record tainted by illicit drug use should be banished from the books. It’s a very easy issue. The longer Selig waits to clean up the books the more baseball is damaged. Henry Aaron wasn’t juicing, he should have his “earned” spot back in history.
By ttough44
February 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Link to this
So BUd, do whats right! You know what U need to do, Just do it! 44
By TW
February 13, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this
The only way to compare players from different eras is to measure their records against time. Did Barry hit more? Sure. But he has NO argument for Home Run King until his mark stands for the thirty plus years Hank held it.
Any other head to head contrast totally favors the recent, as they are the beneficiaries of the advancements of the game (technique, diet…drugs?). But the measere against time is a constant.
Not until at least the middle of this century will anyone be able to challenge Hank as the Home Run King.
By VAROADRUNNER
February 13, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this
I wish that was a partition to sign to get the cheats out of the record book. I’d sign it immediately
By dawgone
February 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Link to this
It seems like a “no brainer” to me. Hank played the game by the rules. Bonds didn’t…duh!
By JT
February 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
I say release the list of the 104 cheaters, strike any record those players accomplished from the record book (most HRs in a season, most HRs lifetime, etc.) and reinstate the previous record holder.
Seeing Bonds honored as the Home Run King over Henry Aaron just makes me sick.
By dawgone
February 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Link to this
I’m with VAROADRUNNER. Not only would I sign a partition, but I’d even sign a petition to boot!
By Happy
February 13, 2009 3:33 PM | Link to this
Boy,
Bud Selig is the reason MLB is a mess.
By Robert Reed
February 13, 2009 3:45 PM | Link to this
Any athelete who is convicted of using banned substnces should have all statistics for the affected season(s) zeroed. If there is proof that A-Rod indeed took banned steroids, which he is now finally admitting, then those years under the influence should not be a credit to his recorsd, but expunged. If such action is taken, that would easily place Hammerin’ Hank back on top.
By CONNECTICUT BRAVES FAN
February 13, 2009 3:56 PM | Link to this
It would be a great thing for baseball. Statistics in the steroid era for proven known users should be stripped from the record books.Hank Aaron was one of the greatest ever.
By yankeefan#1
February 13, 2009 4:20 PM | Link to this
Bud Selig is a Dummass! A-ROD, Bonds and Clemens - we have all done stupid things in life…even things to gain an edge in our career…get over it! Players thru the years from day one have done whatever it took to gain an edge…spitballs, vasaline, nail files…raising the seams on the ball, corked bats…
Pete Rose needs to be in the HOF
By Elisha V
February 13, 2009 5:00 PM | Link to this
Lets go ahead a purge all players who played Major-League Baseball before baseball was desegregated, as we all know, any record set by white players prior to desegregation are tainted. Since non-white players couldn’t compete, all records set during that period are illegitimate – and of course they are. Ninety percent of the records set by pathetic, racist white males, prior to desegregation, would not have been achieved, had Black and Hispanics were allowed to compete; ha ha.
By Rusty
February 13, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this
Elisha, real quick question. How many hispanics were even in the country during segregation?And a follow up..Who are the great starters post segregation? Clemens,Johnson,Ryan Kofaux,Schilling etc. Where is all the great black,hispanic starting pitching? It ain’t there. Somebody’s always gotta turn it into a racial issue.
By Rusty
February 13, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this
Elisha, real quick question. How many hispanics were even in the country during segregation?And a follow up..Who are the great starters post segregation? Clemens,Johnson,Ryan Kofaux,Schilling etc. Where is all the great black,hispanic starting pitching? It ain’t there. Somebody’s always gotta turn it into a racial issue.
By mike williams
February 13, 2009 11:14 PM | Link to this
Being a die hard BRAVES FAN, the thought of this juice junkie holding the home run record has made me sick for some time. I was fortunate to walk the halls of Cooperstown and see the greats of the game who played with their god given talents and not with sports inhancing drugs (steroids). BARRY STEROID BONDS name and or his likeness should not be in or near the hall. Mr Selig, I hope he(Bonds) is stripped of this record and Hammering Hank Aaron is moved back to # 1 the position he should have never lost.
By Keeping It Real
February 14, 2009 8:01 AM | Link to this
Elisha V is right on target.Why not ban baseball? That would solve all the issues and allow people to focus on something more important. Some of these folks on this blog need to get a life.
By cal hal
February 14, 2009 4:55 PM | Link to this
This so much BS. Before any serious discussion of denying recognition of Mr. Bond’s accomplisment, Mr. Selig, baseball,et al must get it’s house in order. Before throwing rocks in a GLASS HOUSE there must be an examination of what fostered this culture and subsequent mess.
Mr. Selig, it clear that there has been complicity on the part of the owners, the union, the players, sports reporting and society.
Let it go Hombre