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By Chris

November 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

No! They have too mnay needs to wait and see what will happen. They need to be able to talk to free agents and know how much they can spend. Plus I think the Padres are the ones who will be regretting this. I think the trade might still happen because the Padres still Braves are the only team with the talent to get him. Although now after a few days of Towers shopping Peavy he’s going to realize he should have pulled the trigger and we’re going to get him for less than our initial offer. The only team that can beat us to him is the Cubs but they will have to find a third party trade partner to get it done and I don’t see that happening.

By Mike Hampton

November 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Suckers.

By AGTFan

November 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Towers demands were way beyond reasonable. As much as I would like to see Peavy pitching for the Braves, I wouldn’t give away half of the present and half of the future. Of course it’s just possible that Towers will regain some measure of sanity and realize that he’s not going to get a better offer than the one the Braves made. It might be too late for him if he waits for the Braves to sign a big free agent.

By mikeingeorgia

November 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

I believe the Braves are doing the right thing…Towers is looking to steal and we shouldn’t be the victim…our offer was bountiful and only a greedy idiot would have said no….MOVE ON to greener pastures and let the Padres suffer the consequences….

By SteveInRaleigh

November 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

More than likely it’s posturing. They have to go focus on the Derek Lowe’s and Ryan Dempster’s. If the Padres can’t beat the Braves deal, then they will come back to the table. If they are worried ATL might move some of those chips in other deals, they will come back sooner.

Padres are hoping Atlanta misses out on those free agents and become desperate. Braves are doing the right thing, because long term, they don’t need Peavy to win. Just will take some time for the talent to be at the major league level (ie - Hanson, Flowers, Locke, Gorkys)

By BravesFan79

November 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

YES! We Keep ESCOBAR!!
DONT TRADE ESCOBAR!!

By The Hitman

November 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this

I would like to have gotten Peavy. I think it was a fair trade, but the braves can’t wait forever on the padres to make a decision.

By Matt the Brave

November 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

FIRST!

By jukeandjive

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

What did Towers want? Hanson? I’m fine trading Hanson ONLY straight up for Peavy. If not that, good luck getting a better deal…

By Jason from Augusta

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

All off season the Braves have talked about getting 2 pitchers add to a very weak pitching staff…….wren better have something in the works or he is already going to be known as a coward who is to scared to pull the trigger. WE NEED TO GET A NEW GM? This guy sucks if he doesn’t get Peavy, who wants to play in Atlanta!!! I’m p**!!!

By Bill

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

NO, I think it is a good move to let the Padres know that we are not waiting around for a decision. They evidently were hoping the Braves would bow down and give them the prospects they wanted. Kudo’s to the Braves management for not jumping into their trap

By Stephen

November 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

First? Anyway, I never wanted FW to give up the farm for Peavy. Maybe Towers will realize he was too greedy and come back. In any event, as long as Wren gets 2 front line pitchers, I am happy. That plus a LF.

By old fan

November 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

I would rather watch young farm players fail trying than to watch overpaid veteran dissapoint. Don’t pay too much for old talent. Draft well and have patience.

By Brian

November 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

YES! Wren shouldn’t have pulled the plug completley right now! Yes, Towers had plenty of time to pull the trigger but this is Jake Peavy so… Wren has made some good moves since he’s taken over but this was more about respect and patience. Could he have not still pursued Burnett while keeping the door open on Peavy?

By Barls Knarkley

November 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

But beat writer Dave O’Brien assured us this deal was going to happen.

Hey Dave, you like music…here’s one for you…Martina McBride’s WRONG AGAIN

By Stu

November 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this

I hope this is Wren playing mind games with the Padres. The Braves need Peavy badly. He is head and shoulders above the free agent targets such as Burnett, Dempster and Lowe. Lowe is consistent but is not a number one - I watched Burnett all year here in Toronto and folks he is not that good. Way overrated - a china doll when it comes to injuries and clearly only interested in pitching through pain when the dollar signs are in front of his face. He threw more pitches this season than anyone in the AL but his WHIP and ERA were not impressive and he is not the man for this organization - trust me! As for Dempster well he walks too many people and, once again, is not a number one. As I see it Peavy and Sabathia are true aces (who are available) and Peavy is willing to come to the Braves while CC will be wearing Pinstripes soon because they are the highest bidder. Wren needs to get this done sooner rather than later.

By JSmoove

November 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Redo the headline to say good move

By Jay Cee

November 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

I sure as heck hope not. I understand why he did it, Towers was being an a-hole, but still….it’s going to be hard trying to sign TWO good free-agent pitchers. Especially seeing that the Yankees are willing to offer a billion dollars to every single one of them.

Man, this is going to be interesting. If this turns out to be a good off-season, Wren is a genius

By Train Wreck Bystander

November 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

It’s not like the Padres were being rushed… they’ve had weeks to ruminate on it. And it’s obvious they weren’t ready to snap up what the Braves offered.

There comes a time when you have to pull the bait out of the water and recast your line. I think that’s where the Braves were with this deal. The Padres may have all off-season to play the Peavy game, but the Braves can’t wait all winter to address their other needs.

It would have been a nice trade, but if it’s not to be then you move on and make the best of other options.

I say the Braves front office made the right call.

By GTI in Chicago

November 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

Maybe I’m in the minority. But I’m totally fine with this deal being OFF. I admire the Braves’ front office policy that the organization will always be trying to build a championship team, a team that is possibly able to go to the playoffs and win it all. Clearly that is the mentality behind trying to get Peavy in the first place. I do appreciate that.

But we had winners for 14 years. For most of that time, we were WS champ threats every season. I’m willing to wait out a year while the team “rebuilds” (dirty word, I know) and allows the talent in our farm system to fully mature. Lets see what Hanson, Juirjens, Morton, Campillo and Reyes can do in ‘09. Maybe we just add a quality, older pitcher to the mix via FA to do for the staff what Charlie Leibrandt did in ‘91 & ‘92.

Wait a year or even just half the year to let our outfield prospects fully mature. Let’s see what happens to Tyler Flowers. Let see if Escobar and Johnson continue to mature as a tandem in the middle of the infield. Let’s get every minute of playing time we’re blessed with from our future HOFer and hitting god, Chipper Jones. Heck, we may even find out that Smoltzie or Glav can come back one more time and help out the team and the kids and then go out with some grace.

I’m not saying I don’t care if we win. Of course I do. But I’m willing to let the garden that’s been planted grow on it’s own a while

We don’t need Peavy. And especially not at the cost it would require.

By tyrone h

November 14, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

kevin towers is an idiot…he will not i repeat will not find a better deal than the cne the braves are offering

By aj

November 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

i like this move. look, it doesn’t mean we can’t reopen trade talks later, cause towers isn’t gonna get a better offer than the one wren made. but we can’t let towers’ inability to pull the trigger control our offseason plans. we need to move forward pursuing the free agents. this give us all the leverage. we don’t have to have peavy, but it sounds like towers has to trade him.

By Brian

November 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Stu- I’m not all that impressed with Burnett either. A INJURY RISK, $16 MILL. DL BOY!!!! He’s good for the Yankees because of the money and wiggle room they have but my Braves are DESPERATE!!! 40 million dollars will go fast.

Wren, I hope you realize you have let down a lot of folks! I like Wren but this is not good!

DOB- You are a know it all that is wrong about this, buddy! Lets see if he degrades bloggers agin after his HUGE mistake on Peavy.

By brandon

November 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I think it is a smart move. You can’t wait forever. How long has it been now? Something like a six week pursuit? If the Braves kept waiting, they would have had to play catch up in the free agent market.

By Navigator

November 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

I put this in light of the Minnesota-Dallas trade for Herschel Walker. Minnesota got Herschel, and Dallas got three superbowls. You don’t give up the house for one player, no matter who they are. Thank goodness, the Braves didn’t lose their minds and make the trade.

By Thundersticks

November 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this

I think this is great news!!!

Wren’s offer is fair, especially considering there were no other competitive offers from other teams. I don’t think this eliminates the possibility of acquiring Peavy, I think it shifts the pressure back to Towers. If he waits too long, doesn’t anything close to value from other teams and the Braves are successful in acquiring two SPs through other avenues, then Towers’ job will be in serious trouble.

I still think the trade will be completed. This is just more posturing by Wren.

By Chris

November 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Jason from Augusta how can you say Wren didn’t pull the trigger? He did eveything he could to get Peavy. This deal fell through on the Padres’ end. I give Wren props for not being bullied into giving up things he didnt want to. IMO the package we offered was more than adequate. Towers got greedy and wanted more. Even if he does find another trade parnter for Peavy their package won’t be anywhere near as good as the one we offered. I think Peavy is a Brave next season but now at a lower price due to Towers’s desperation.

By Don

November 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

I agree with the post @5:49 by GT1 in Chicago. He is 100% on and so is Mr Wren..

By JPeavy

November 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

good move…..going in for arm surgery next month….don’t tell Kevin!

By jds

November 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Giving up much more than Escobar is pushing it….I’m glad Wren didn’t give in.

By jds

November 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Link to this

Giving up much more than Escobar is pushing it….I’m glad Wren didn’t give in.

By Kenneth Simpson

November 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

I think the braves made the right decision. I would not trade Escobar for Peavy much less throw in 3 more players. Bring Hansen up and see what he can do. He is probably as good as Peavy anyway and will cost a heck of a lot less. Flowers sounds like something special and I would hate to see him traded for someone that may have arm trouble and if he don’t he will have arm trouble when he gets to Atlanta. Just look at this past year and can you count the number of pitchers who had arm trouble. Maybe Towers knows something we don’t know about Peavy and that is why he is so willing to trade him, I would rather have Escobar at short than Furcal who stayed on the disabled list most of the past season with back trouble and believe me that don’t just go away. Bring Heyward up and Henson and let them both see what they can do. They couldn’t do any worse than the cast of 2008 in Atlanta. Let the Yankees, Dodgers, and Mets fight it our for all those overpriced free agents.

By Brian

November 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

Lets see if all of you “Great move by Wren” folks will feel the same when we get out bid for Burnett(Orioles/Yanks), Lowe(Yanks), Dempster(Yanks or mos..oh, we can probably get him but he ain’t no ace! Who’s left that tradable? Grienke? Yeah, but he’s not a proven ace that we need to even come close to competing!

I’m not saying that’s all true but this is $ MLB $…

By Kenneth Simpson

November 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

I sorry the pitcher is Hanson not Henson. Give this kid a chance as well as his battery mate, Flowers. They sould awesome. Keep this Kids. Don’t give them away like the braves did in the Tex rental.

By THE BEAR

November 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

Good move by Wren and I am happy to see he is not trading the farm for one pitcher. After all there are 162 games to play and Peavy could only pitch 30 of them. Somebody is going to have to pitch the other 132 even if we got Peavy. No one is worth gutting your team to get. Let San Diego pay him $1.25 million per victory next year.

Good move and now if Towers comes back with hat in hand Wren can call the shots.

And this time Frank, keep it quiet until after you have pulled the trigger. Scheurholz had the system figured out. You never make trades through the papers or these blogs. Every thing gets blown out of the water.

By Zach

November 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Link to this

We’re a spoiled fan base. Let the Yankees sell their prospects away and overpay veterans. We have a solid, young base. Let them grow. Make sure we get Hudson back since his contract nears its end. Hudson, Jurrjens, Hanson is a nice top three, and we’ll see if we land the japanese kid.

We’re not going to compete in 09’. I’d rather be terrible in 09 and be WS contenders in ‘10, than be a mediocre division contender in both ‘09 and ‘10.

Suck it up everyone. Bad years are healthy every now and then. Draft well. Let the Phillies have their day, then we’ll come back and take what’s ours.

By spotts

November 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Link to this

First, DOB (like the rest of us) didn’t think that Towers was expecting to field an entire team for Peavy. And he “disses” bloggers because some of you guys put the most ignorant crap I’ve seen on here.

“I think we should offer Corky, Pendleton, and the big screen in the outfield for Peavy. Then sign CC and Burnett after trading Francoeur for A-Rod straight up.”

Second, good call on Wren not giving in. It’s becoming a little clearer why the Padres have been so awful.

By Brian

November 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t blame Wren for these Peavy rumors spreading around for six weeks as much as I blame writers like David O’ Brien! Hell, every time Wren or the Braves sneezed the word Peavy, he was writing a new blog about him! Almost every blog from about a month or so is all about Peavy.

If the Cubs land Peavy, they were pretty quiet.Go to their homepage and you’ll see not one mention of his name. Now, go to ours- PEAVY MANIA!!!!!!

By Kevin C.

November 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Let me guess Spotts

You are one of these hapless souls who call DOB “chief”, especially when he rocks your world with a new blog.

He is not only rude to people who are a little off base. But to those who dare to disagree with him.

Especially when he is singing the praises of Wren and Bobby Cox, which he’ll do no matter what the situation.

By Ron Roberts

November 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

GOOD CALL, Frank Wren!

Clock’s ticking on other viable top-tier pitching options, frankly, the mroe we added names to the offer, the less I liked the idea of getting Peavy.

Listen, I had the pleasure of watching Gorkys play here in Myrtle Beach this past season, and I think he’s going to be a part of the Braves’ outfield along with Jordan Schafer, and if that’s the case, and if Francoeur gets his mind right, our outfield’s going to be scary-good for a long time.

Pitching-wise, we aren’t that desperate, folks.

Sure, these moves may lack the sizzle of a Peavy deal, but our middle infield doesn’t take a hit, our outfield farmhands aren’t compromised, and we get to keep Morton (who I think could be a factor for us once the psychological issues are hammered out). Let’s remember John Smotlz needed Dr. Jack Llewelyn once upon a time; who says Charlie Morton couldn’t benefit from a little neckup-check-up if he’s lacking confidence in his stuff?

By don

November 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

Maybe they finally realized just how bad the Teixeira trade was and have actually learned a valuable lesson. I salute Wren for shjowing some intelligence. Thank you.

By BullDawg79

November 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

This was a smart move. Peavy will be on the DL again this. Every fireballing pitcher tends to have returns to the DL after they start going on it.

Braves need to build from within and forego the expensive free agent market.

Heck, why not just drop ticket prices commensurate with the decreased payroll and make it more attractive for fans to go to the game.

By mikey

November 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this

I’m glad we didn’t cave-in to the Pads…we still have Yunel and can focus on the power outfielder and starters now without giving up the future, though it would have been nice. But hindsight wise, I saw a Tommy John waiting to happen with Jake!

By Brian

November 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

Kevin- You forgot to tell that dude that if you disagree with DOB’s liberal views, he will not only degrade all of your posts, but he will block you from posting on his precious little blog! AND THAT IS A FACT

By True Braves Fan

November 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Kudos to FW for not giving away the farm for Peavy. I think what we had already offered was too much. Kevin Towers must think he is Scott Boras.

Have we considered Randy Johnson for one year. I hear he can be had for 8Mil.

Please don’t sign Lowe. I have had enouogh of Boras clients.

By Mikey

November 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

I go for a straight up deal-Corky Miller for Peavy..atake it or leave it!

By Bo

November 14, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

The Best is yet to come! Wren did the right thing by pulling out, if Padras chance their mind they know Wrens phone #. Wren can get on with making this team a winner again. Plan B may be better than plan A was. Go Braves. God bless the USA>

By mikeingeorgia

November 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

And I would Like to add that if Mike Hampton had an ounce of integrity in his body, he would re-sign with the Braves for the major-league minimum after the years he was over-paid for his production…clear and simple..he should be grateful for what he got and should repay the Braves and their fans for it !!! I-N-T-E-G-R-I-T-Y is the word.

By Joe

November 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Link to this

I’m happy the braves didn’t go threw with this trade but I’m hoping they turn things around and get some proven pictures that can help the team in 2009. It appears now that The Yankees are going to offer Derek Lowe and AJ Burnett deals with probably more money than Atlanta will offer so it’s going to be tough for The Braves to get good proven people in a good price range.

I hope the braves can pull some good deals off though because baseball needs the braves to be good again I have not really been a baseball fan since the braves been losing.

By Jim

November 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

Good no move. This trade was one to make if a team were one pitcher away from contending. The Braves ain’t that.

I kept thinking of Billy Beane’s assertion about the danger of thinking that “we HAVE to have this guy, whatever it takes.” That kind of thinking leads to bad trades.

By Joe

November 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Link to this

I personally do not think Jake Peavy even really wanted to play for Atlanta because if he did he would have been urging for the deal to get made asap. I do think he wants to play for a contender which are either Chicago Cubs, New York Mets, Boston Red Sox, Anaheim Angels or Boston Redsox and plus all these teams have the finances to get Peavy.

By cwartillery

November 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Peavy’s great and would be a fabulous pickup for the Braves. While there are good prospects in the minors, they aren’t givens. We may one day be saying how Peavy has had no arm troubles and our minor leaguers didn’t go anywhere.

That said, Yunell is a top notch player in an important position and plays in most every game. In addition to that, the Padres want 3 or 4 more players who, if the rumored names are correct, are good to very good players. That’s a lot to give Maybe for Peavy you do it….. but there is the additional data point that San Diego is also passong on all his salary. Loosing that much talent and that much salary is too much; way too much.

By Marc

November 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Good show Wren, good show indeed! This is a game of chess, and although Peavy would be a nice pick-up for us, we won this match by keeping our future bright.

Peavy’s concerns were dead on, why bring in a great pitcher without a SS? SS is the third most important position behind pitcher and catcher. If there weren’t any other options out there things might be different, but the fact is, this is the first time in a long time that so much pitching has been up for grabs. Good job don’t further sacrificing our future any further for a gamble.

By steve_97060

November 14, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

sometimes the best deal you make is the one you don’t…

By bernie

November 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Link to this

Wren will sit on his butt and watch all the free agent players that could help the Braves get signed by other teams. Wren is probably content to go on with Glavine, Smoltz, Hampton, Reyes, and I forgot the Super pitcher named James. Come on Wren if you don’t want to help the Braves get better please resign and let the Braves get a new general manager.

By Brian

November 14, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Marc- “Peavy’s concerns were dead on”?? Uhhhh..No!

The more I read, and the more I think about it, I really believe Peavy doesn’t want to be a Brave. He figured if he came out and said that, he would, in some ways, look like he turned his back on his “hometown team”. How else can you explain Towers turning down that offer from Wren? He’s either brain dead( he does show off that sasqautch chest hair) or Peavy was being a little coward!

Go to the loser Cubs and expect to get BOOED at the Ted for years to come!!

By coachrob

November 14, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

INSIDE INFO FROM SAN DIEGO!!!

I recently moved from Birmingham to Sand Diego. I umpire travel baseball out here and I umpired a tourney this weekend. In this tourney was a team made up of 14-15yr olds from Peavy’s neighborhood. The owner of a hair salon told me Sunday (they new my interest in Peavy b/c my southern accent and roots in Bama) that his wife got her hair done Friday (week ago today).

She said the owner was bogged down in an “EXTREMELY MESSY DIVORCE” Apparently the wife had control of ALL the money and has pretty much frozen it. So he is pretty much having a fire sale. On Friday Peavy’s wife told the salon owner and his wife they were going to CHICAGO. She was told that was where they were going to be dealt. That is why they pulled the Hoffman deal and may even trade Giles even though they picked up his option.

With all that, I think there may be something to the hints of collusion with Axlerod and Towers. Peavy wants to go to the Cubs, so Towers is being unreasonable with the Braves, to placate Jake to get him out. Even though the final Atlanta offer was 3 times better than anything the Cubbies could put out there, and why Pinella downplayed the Peavy to Chicago deal.

I know there is some conjecture there, but that’s some pretty thick smoke for there to be no fire. And this is no gossip!!!!! The salon thing happened and is TRUE. They told them they’d keep the house here and Jake was going to go on to Chicago to get things settled. If getting back close to home was such a big deal, he wouldn’t necessarily want to keep this home here.

All that, for what it’s worth.

By Snoqualmie

November 14, 2008 9:57 PM | Link to this

I can’t think of a good reason why anyone of Peavy’s stature would want to come to Atlanta. Besides picking up a ridiculous paycheck, I’ll assume he wants to win championships. That’s not going to happen in Atlanta for quite a while.

By WeatcoastBravesfan

November 14, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

It’s about time Wren put an end to KT’s games!!!!

By steve

November 14, 2008 10:05 PM | Link to this

are you the same people that threw yunel out for dead?? now you say it would have been bad?? ya’ll are wack

By steve

November 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

how about this now that we still have yunel..kelly johnson for ludwick now try to get a deal down with that…push hard for burnett..we’d get our outfielder with really givin up any dollars…they will see where the pieces fall from there..i think ludwick may be our first move now

By NC Dawg

November 14, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this

Padres messed up. They aren’t going to get nearly what the Braves had offered for Peavy. Smart move Mr. Wren! Braves need to keep the best prospects even if it means missing out on a Peavy.

By Flustered Fan

November 14, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

yeah, DOB was rude to me just because I was being too realistic when it came to the Braves’ ownership and their outdated manager.

By nelson

November 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Nice move wren

sign burnett and Lowe / and traded johnson & JOJO TO stl for Ludwick..

nice move

By Josiah

November 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

i was really excited about peavy. and sad that we didn’t get him. sure, it was a shame we had to give up yunel to get him, but peavy is one of the top 5 pitchers in the league. just look at his stats. we should’ve gotten him. oh well.

By steve

November 14, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

padres are dumb..if they come back knockin to us we might tell them you had your chance but now were not willin to dealin esco…burnett should be the most important player now…if we can someway get burnett and the pads come callin back wow ..peavy and burnett with jair right there that would be scary

By MDBraves Fan

November 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

I know we need a couple of good starting pitchers but at what cost? I have a feeling that this will go down as a good trade b/c it didn’t happen. I am glad that Wren didn’t cave in - think Escobar will have a stellar yr in ‘09 and that some of our highly touted farm system guys will continue their good work with the Braves. So move on and try to get one of the pitchers on the FA market. Well done, Wren.

By ColoradoBravesFan

November 14, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

Boo Hoo Hoo… I made a stupid comment or total unrealistic trade comment and DOB was rude to me on his blog. Oh yeah I made a racisit comment and got banned from the his Blog. BOO HOO HOO. Grow up losers.

If some one is rude or bans your comments go to another site there are thousands…

GO BRAVES….

By George "Boston Brave" Spitz

November 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

The Braves should make a preliminary offer to C. C. Sabathia of at least $25 million for 6 years. He wants to play in the National League so he can bat. This means not sacrificing super star prospects, such as Tommy Hanson, Tyler Flowers, Jsaon Heyward, etc.,or Yuniel Escobar and Kelly Johnson who are on the brink of stardom, but only 1st round draft choices.

By steve

November 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

yea DOB kicked me off his blogs too..where is he at by the way..doesnt he wanna show up now??

By steve

November 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Link to this

yea maybe if we had the TED back we could get CC

By rotty

November 15, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

This is likely grand standing by two GMs who cannot agree.

The Pads need to move Peavy and Wren knows he has no hope of getting a proven Ace of Peavy’s magnitude in his prime for that contract. None, zero.

For now they both left the table but in the end they will both realize they need each other.

If and or when that happens the deal will get done. Wren needs to shop the FA to find out if anyone wants to play here and if he can afford them.

Towers needs to shop Peavy around or hope the Cubs can find a third team to improve their package.

In the end I think Wren and Towers will hit a wall or have second thoughts and reconnect.

$45mm sounds like a lot but once CC signs for $25mm a year (for 6-7yrs) expect all heck to break loose and that $45mm to look woefully light to rebuild the rotation, fixed the OF etc.

If we thought getting Peavy wait until Wren starts getting knee deep in FA.

We could get Burnett but we could also have to settle for Garland, Byrd even an overpaid Demspter.

Getting Peavy would have made the next two moves so easy now it will take a lot more cash to right the rotation.

By Braveman80

November 15, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

I think Wren made a wise choice. Mortgaging the future for one player isn’t the best way to go. The Phillies and Rays built from within which is exactly what we need to do.

By THE BEAR

November 15, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

I just checked the San Diego papers and there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the fact Wren has dropped out of the bidding for Peavy. As a matter of fact all they said was that Towers was going to be trying to find other trading partners between the Yankees or Angels if Peavy gave his approval.

It was strange indeed. They are trying hard to pretend that Towers is the one who is backing off the Braves offer. I found it rather amusing.

By Supes

November 15, 2008 12:31 AM | Link to this

Make the trade right now Frank Wren.

Send a msg that the Braves are back and are going to be back and competing for the NL East once again.

You need a big time ace like Jake Peavy to anchor this rotation, just like Maddux did in the 90’s.

Make the trade. If this is just a ploy to get the Padres to accept a lesser offer, great, but if this is over 100% Frank Wren is afraid of making a big time trade for ace pitcher. I don’t believe John S. would have done the same. After all, he did bring in Greg Maddux!

Where is the top tier starting pitching is going to come from in 2009? Please don’t even say Tommy Hanson (unproven at the big league level)…or anyone else currently in our staff under contract.

We don’t have a dominant starting pitcher. Tim Hudson was it, when his sinker was on and he got the ball down. Well Tim is all but gone for 2009. JJ is still a young guy, he’s learning, but he also hit the wall after 180IP.

Jake Peavy to ATL needs to happen folks.

If it doesn’t how do you attract another mid level starter and power bat for LF, how do you convince those guys you are playing to win right now and not 2-3 years down the road when all of our impact players come up and are performing?

By steve

November 15, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

wonder who the vet brave player was that thinks they will spark up talks again later?? chipper prolly

By Scott

November 15, 2008 12:49 AM | Link to this

I think Wren made the right decision here. He watched Schuerholz make a similar move for Tex and we all know how that panned out. I say sign a horse like Lowe or Burnett, Hanson will be ready by mid season. Aside from pitching we desperately need a RH bat to protect Larry, Burrell would work (although he’s a liability in LF) We’re a few pieces away from turing things around. In Wren we trust!

By Tomas

November 15, 2008 1:21 AM | Link to this

I agree with Wren. Braves offer was more than good enough. I really wanted Peavy but they can’t stop their other plans. I hope they get AJ Burnett he’d be great. I don’t really think they can get two of the Dempster/Lowe/Burnett combo so I think thay should trade for a pitcher.

Matt Cain has been mention as a possible target but giants gm has said he won’t trade him. Zack Greinke would be offered a contract extension lets hope he doesn’t agree and they start shopping him. Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo, Ian Snell, Javier Vazques, Gil Meche, Scott Baker, and Francisco Liriano are other aceptable choices.

Matt Cain, Zack Greinke, Francisco Liriano, and maybe Scott Baker will be nearly impossible to trade for, because of their young age, talent, and affordability.

Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo, Ian Snell, Javier Vazques, and Gil Meche might be easier to obtain, because of their contracts and in some cases they’re coming off a bad year.

By Tomas

November 15, 2008 2:01 AM | Link to this

Aaron Harang 30, 4.78ERA 6-17, horrible year but you have to consider he pitches in cincinnati, and has had three very good years in a row before this one.

Bronson Arroyo 31, 4.77ERA 15-11, horrible abismal first half an ERA close to 6, but he turned it around and was fantastic in the second half plus he’s coming off two good years in a row in cincinnati.

Ian Snell 27, 5.42ERA 7-12, abismal year, but still he has awesome stuff, and ended the year on a high note. Before this year he had one good year. He is a pretty big risk but he has a lot of potential.

Javier Vazquez 32, 4.67ERA 12-16, below average year, actually his last three games made his ERA go up like a bomb, from 4.13 to 4.67. I think the whitesox want to trade him, and he might be a good fit for #3.

Zack Greinke 25, 3.47 ERA 13-10, good year, let’s just hope he rejects a contract extension and dayton Moore decides to trade him.

Gil Meche 30, 3.98ERA, 14-11, above average year. He sign for 10 mill/per year, I figure if they sign Greinke to an extension they might have to trade Meche, and he’d be a good fit for #2, #3.

Francisco Liriano 25, 3.91ERA, 6-4, above average year. After he was called from the minors he was nearly unhittable. He was kind of upset of being demoted, and -i hear the twins have interest in Yunel, Liriano would be great but I think they wouln’t trade him.

Scott Baker 27, 3.45ERA, 11-4, good season. If they’re not willing to trade Liriano maybe they’d be more willing to trade Baker.

Edwin Jackson 25, 4.42 ERA, 14-11, bad season. With David Price in next years rotation, Jackson is on the block. He has control issues but good potential. He’d be a better option than Garland.

Matt Cain 24, 3.76 ERA, 8-14, good season. The Giants need a SS, and a 2B, and a lot of hitting. The deal would need to look very lucrative for the giants to agree to part terms with cain.

One of them along with Dempster/Lowe/Burnett would be a succesful offseason in my point of view.

By TampaDawg

November 15, 2008 2:43 AM | Link to this

way to go FW !!!!!!! I’m so happy we did not make this trade!!!! I’ve been having so many bad feelings about this trade… Yunel is a star!!!! Why would we give up a star that we will have many years that isn’t injury prone and also give up for top prospects for one star that’s injury prone. Doesn’t really make sense to me! Way to go Wren your making me believe you are the right man for the job and was the best time for JS to step aside for you to do your job!!! Lets get Burnett and Lowe!!!!

By steve

November 15, 2008 3:42 AM | Link to this

so i was just listenin to fox radio and they said multiple sources have the braves gunnin for matt cain…word is the the giants love kelly johnson and think he would be a triples machine in there park ..also they like escobar..

By richbrave

November 15, 2008 7:25 AM | Link to this

Good move. Go get BURNETT. Let’s see what unfords with SAN DIEGO. The TAZAWA offer is still on the table. With BURNETT, JUIRJENS, HAMPTON, MORTON, TAZAWA, CAMPILLO, BENNETT, REYES, BOYER, and PARR the entire farm system’s prospects remain intact. Lot of flexibility and the possibility of adding HANSON, SMOLTZ and HUDSON at some point in ‘09. Without PEAVY, 2010 may become the year for the BRAVES resurrection rather than ‘09. I can wait. Same with LUDWICK. Trade two for one: HERNANDEZ/SCHAFER and ROHRBAUGH or walk away. SIGN OHMAN. Keep GONZALEZ and SORIANO locked up. Meanwhile, pray TED TURNER really is negotiating with LIBERTY MEDIA for a re-purchase of the BRAVES.

By TheAntiMe

November 15, 2008 7:52 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry. Towers will come crawling back because:

1) The Padres owner has given him a mandate that Jake Peavy must be traded before the start of the 2009 season.

2) Peavy must be traded primarily for prospects because Padres ownership is severely slashing payroll (most likely to try and sell the team) and few, if any teams are as well set with prospect as the Braves are.

3) The Padres are also looking to get a pitcher in the deal to replace Peavy in the rotation which complicates the matter for trading partners who may be able to provide the Padres with a top position-player prospect.

By steven

November 15, 2008 7:54 AM | Link to this

after the fred mcgriff trade i cant believe the padres would want to make any trade with the atlanta braves

By dave

November 15, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this

Remember, folks (well, maybe folk, since most of you on this board either weren’t here then, or too young to remember), giving up the farm for a top name or two is what made the Braves long-term residents of Sucktown back in the 70’s and 80’s. The name players didn’t pan out, and the Braves were left holding the bag. They were great for 14 years due to the farm system, and will be great again for the same reason. Don’t let a bump in the road deter doing things the right way.

By thad

November 15, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

we cant even think about smoltz or glavine. smoltz may never be back. and if he does it will NOT BE a starter. and who knows about glavine. we have got to get pitching. or else be a loser again next year. YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT DOMINANT PITCHING. WE DO NOT HAVE IT.
I REPEAT, WE DO NOT HAVE IT!

By John Boy

November 15, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

The BRAVES did the right thing by not trading Escobar so win the padres come back after they realized they messd up give them Kelly johnson instead of escobar and diaz instead of gorkys…… they can keep boyer and jojo…. how can jojo tell smoltz n glavine he dont need there help anymore??????

By LivininAL

November 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

The Peavy trade failure is not good. The NY Yankasses are gonna drive the Free Agent Market so high, that Im afraid Braves will sign a couple more broken down, over the hill, castoffs to add to the current injury list for next year. That said,lets use Hanson, Morton, Jurrgins, maybe JoJo/Hampton/Glavin?Campillo and plan for the following year.

By Brian

November 15, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this

Glad we didn’t pull the trigger. We need to keep escobar and even giving up him with any pitching was too steep imo.

By Collin

November 15, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

If we can get Burnett or Dempster we would be set I think. Our rotation would be;

-Dempster/Burnett -Juirjens -Morton -Campillo -Hanson

Maybe resign Hampton for cheap and see if he holds up and that gives us another option, but I think it would be solid. Then we could try and get Tazawa in the system to come up next year. That should leave us with enough money to possibly bring in Adam Dunn or Pat Burrel for our power hitting left fielder.

By Gary Furr

November 15, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Good choice. A little patient rebuilding and a couple of FA pitchers for this year vs. selling the farm for one guy. Good job, FW.

By Toby

November 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

No way do i buckle to Towers crazy demands…by all accounts,and we know how projections are sometimes,but it seems as though Hanson could be a # 1 starter for 10-12 years….i see no way the Padres can get anything close to the deal’with Escobar…a star in the makeing and the other prospects,if they think they can:i doubt it: let them have at it,they’ll probably regret it later…dont mortgage the future for some one that plays once every 5 days!! im glad the braves showed some balls!!!!

By TonySW

November 15, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Why are we trying to re-sign Mike Hampton we are losing too much money to see if this guy can make it thru a season. The Braves need to look at other prospects adn for the Peavy deal I agree with them in not giving up the whole kitchen sink for this deal, however, they do need to be more agressive in grabbing up some players that fit our team…

By TonySW

November 15, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

Also we probably could snatch up Kerry Wood for a good price.

By John

November 15, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

HO HUM- more of the same—the Braves will not do what it takes to get the pitching they need. 91 losses next year for sure.

By thirdwheel3131

November 15, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Passing on Peavy made sense for Wren as they were already about to give up too much. If the Padres want to come back and take it — fine — otherwise good to move on. However, don’t for one second think that the FA crop will come anywhere near what we need. More than that, I don’t see how any of these #2 and #3 (thats what they are!) starters are going to sign with Atlanta: Lowe (Boston or NY) Dempster (he’s going back to the cubs — and really, do you want to give him 50 mil after having 1 good year) Burnett — maybe - he wants to play closer to home - so maybe - we surely won’t offer the most and he’s a good #2 pitcher. But his elbow problems put Peavy’s elbow to SHAME. You really want to give 15 mil to a guy who hasn’t pitched more than 30 starts but once in 5 years? I expect we settle for John Garland and we can just skip to 2010 when maybe Hanson and Morton will be of real value.

By brent a.

November 15, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

“Some of those out there were accurate, some of them were not,” Wren said.

That’s the quote that people need to digest. So many people think that they know exactly what deal Wren did turned down.

They don’t.

By vic

November 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Richbrave, praying for Ted to buy Braves, Ted don’t believe in God?

By Andy K.

November 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this

*What’s with all you vorping DOB bashers? The dude works his @$$ off day in and day out so we can have some good, reliable info, and does a great job. If you made a racist comment, you deserved to be off that blog. Somebody’s gotta go, because as many have said before me, there’s a lot of brainless idiots on there. Have some respect people. DOB is one of the best sports writers/blogger out there. *

By John

November 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

What did we really lose in the trade for Tex? Nothing!! Not one of those guys we lost in that trade is really making me lose any sleep. Not even Salty, who I thought by now would be close to McCann status. That trade gave Chipper Jones the protection he needed to have a Coopers Town type season. Which we the fans as well as the Braves front office owe, “the kid that could switch hit like the Mick.” and now to the grown man for all his years of loyalty and sacrifice. Escobar is a great player but mentally immature. Edgar might not have the range he once had but he will be playing the entire season if he is healthy enough too, unlike Escobar. I think we should hold on to Kelly Johnson and Prado, this year. Next year if Edgar does not produce the way he did a season ago Prado would be great in the two hole. Kelly will give the Braves and every other team one more season to show he does have one of the best eye of any left handed hitter in baseball. I thought last season was going to be his break-out year but this year if he is still in a Braves uniform I AM sure of it. Then he can go get that North-Eastern type of contract, the big bucks, which he will one day deserve. As far as the outfield goes this sub par season was probably needed for Frenchy, in order for him to grow into the player Atlanta would love for him to become. He will bounce back and I am taking bets. Hopefully it’s in a Braves Uniform. Turner Field was built to be a pitcher friendly park and guess what? It still is!!!! So, pitching is the only thing we should be trying to acquire on the trading front as well as free agent market. We have solid defensive outfielders and that’s the only thing we need. Even a great power/average hitter will not bring us back to the play-offs i.e. Mark Teixeira. Go after the young pitcher from Kansas City and for the love of god trade Hanson for Peavy if needed. Just don’t trade the entire farm system. If Peavy is really the one controlling the trade, and truly doesn’t think the Braves will contend in the NL East then he really is from a school in Alabama  but best of luck to him.

By matt

November 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Look the Padres do not need to need trade Peavy, he is signed for four more years to a very very low contract for a number one front of the rotation pitcher. The Braves have a lot of young talent, unproven young talent. Kevin Towers has said if he can’t find a match he will keep Peavy and maybe trade him next off season when his contract alows the Padres to trade him to a list of 16 pre-approved teams by him. In baseball to get something you need to give up something. The deal offered by the Braves was the lower end Prospects and unless two of the top guys are offered it’s no playoffs for the Braves again. I bet this deal comes up again after Wren can’t sign any top free agents. Oh and to think any free agents will sign in Atlanta….please they will use the Braves to get more money from Boston and New York. Wake up people !!!

By steve

November 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

i dont think the braves will be able to sign any of the big 3 pitching FA…i really dont know what were goin to do..buster onley has a good blog up sayin the padres and braves both need this trade..

By Irene

November 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Lets see, this is what: the Tex mistake, Kotsay mistake, & now Peavy mistake—-that’s 3 mistakes already this year. How many more will Wren make before he makes a big flop of the Braves. No they are not a flop now but will be be by the time Wren gets through. More mistakes would be not signing SMOLTZ, GLAVINE, HAMPTON, NORTON, OHMAN. Other mistakes would be letting Gonzo,Kelly go. He should have went ahead & let Hanson go in the deal for Peavy. It will be a miracle if Wren can get Burnett, Lowe or Sabathia since the Yankees are going to offer them money. Who’s going to outbid the Yankees. I think they should try to offer something to Maddux to see if he would come back & hold off on retiring. Wren should go ahead and tell KT he will let him have Hanson, Yunel & 2 or 3 of the prospects he had offered for Peavy. Other prospects will be coming up in the farm system anyway. What if Hanson turns out not to be so good when he get to the big league. We need JS back as GM, not Wren.

By used cars

November 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I don’t blame Wren at all for moving on…Tex is the only of the three trade possibilities that I would question and Wren didn’t pull the trigger on that. We didn’t really know that Tex was a tin man or maybe we could have contended last year…There are a bunch of other possibilities out there..If we can get Lowe or Burnett and then make a lesser trade for the likes of Grienke, Liriano, Edwin Jackson, Aaron Harang..Then we would still be able to go after someone like Ludwick for leftfield…I’m going to give Wren the benefit of the doubt right now. I think Towers is asking too much from us, more than he will get from anyone else, so the deal may still happen. I would rather get one of those other guys and keep Escobar than go sign a replacement for him..

By BCS Slave

November 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this

Wren did the right thing by backing out. The Padres wanted way too much. Towers gambled and lost. I think the Braves should take a player off the table or forget the deal altogether

By 30YearBravesFan

November 15, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Frank Wren did the right thing. We can’t mortgage the future. Let Towers find a better deal, if he can.

By BCS Slave

November 15, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

On signing Hampton…he better come VERY cheaply. We have wasted enough money on a guy who never gave us anything for the big money contract he signed. Shoot, he should play for free. Otherwise, let someone else take a risk on him.

By Bubdylan

November 15, 2008 6:47 PM | Link to this

DOB has never given me grief over my convservative views. Of course, I don’t make a habit of ranting them onto a baseball blog, either. But he knows of them, and has been very generous to me with his time. And I’ve asked for some pretty time-consuming stuff from him.

I have seen O’Brien be acerbic plenty, sure. But if you don’t think he is careful and shows restraint, even beyond what he must do to stay out of trouble, you just aren’t paying attention.

He very often doubles back, when he sees that he has gone too far or misread somebody, and corrects himself. Most of the bloggers David pounces on post some obnoxious rant, and make it clear they haven’t read five paragraphs above their own comment. They just say their piece, and then wait for his little blue name to pop up, so they can validate themselves with a response from a real live journalist. But when he doesn’t validate them (or does the opposite), they get upset.

By john hoar

November 15, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this

Mine is mostly a question and really doesn’t originate with me, but with a blogger a couple of days ago. My memory may be a little off but don’t feel like taking the time to find his post, so bare with me a bit. He made the point that if we got Peavy at a salary of say, thirteen million on average, and had to go out and get a frontline SS to replace Escobar, that we would be paying something like 81 million for the two of them and not just the fifty something million for Peavy. Divide that by four years and we are talking in excess of 20 million. Seems like with a little more that would put us in CC’s range or certainly more than enough for anyone else we wanted. Dollars speak, and suddenly someone might just want to play for Atlanta. In addition, it would allow us to hold onto all of our prospects, Yunel, Johnson, and everyone else. Not saying that we should throw it all at one pitcher, but you do have to take the SS replacement salary into account since Yunel is not making that much. Would appreciate feedback on that position from some of you, well actually, anyone.

By Joey Buffet

November 15, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

Peavy is an incredible pitcher and the Braves should do almost anything to get a hold of him. With that said I think Wren did the right thing. The Padres are balking and stalling. Probably figuring the Braves would part with more if a couple top flight SPs signed as FAs with other teams while the negotiations stalled. (That or the Cubs would up their pffer because of that same reason). Wren learned well from Schuerholtz. Maker the other team play your game not theirs. I still have hope that Peavy will be a Brave. Maybe if SD sees that Chicago isn’t gonna offer them as much as Atlanta already had, then they will pick the phone up and beg Wren to take him.

By KC

November 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

DOB - MIA. Where’s DOB man????? How about a new blog DOB???

By BravesAC

November 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks DOB doesn’t do his homework AND gives this outlet access to insider Braves info/though process likely sleeps with an aluminum hat at night to prevent the spaces aliens from reading their thoughts. Do you have access to Frank Wren, league scouts, Braves players present and past, and fly to AZ to see winter ball games with prospects, The answer’s no. His musical tast is not mine but his Braves reporting is first rate and any calling out/accusations of DOB on this board only relect on the intelligence of the poor slob who does so. And oh yeah, thank heavens the Braves pulled back from offering the farm for Peavy. I’m totally ok with waiting on the prospects to develop. I just wish the Braves would consider college players( as well as high school prospects like they favor)with their top draft choices so the development is a tad faster.

By THE BEAR

November 16, 2008 12:55 AM | Link to this

I think DOB went to Kansas to see his alma mater play football and is going on to Arizona from there. I believe that is what he said.

By Jeff

November 16, 2008 1:37 AM | Link to this

I think you’re right, Bear. Unfortunately for DOB his Jayhawks got manhandled by Mizzou. Its really amazing how much better the Big 12 South is than the North this year. On the Peavy front, I am happy to see Wren showing some resolve and not falling prey to Towers tactics. It now appears that the Braves were the only serious contender to land Peavy, and now Towers is stuck holding his [fill in the blank].

By LivininAL

November 16, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Peavy acquisition would be great, but some trades click and sometimes they dont. Angles gave Kotchman to us to get Tex while holding a 15 game division lead. What did Tex do to advance them when it counted? Only point is that money to big names does not necessarily mean a winner.

By jared b.

November 16, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

I think they should trade hanson,jojo reyes,and one lower class prospects.then you stiil have esco and you lose a pitcher that has never pitched in majors,for a pitcher that is proven his self.you would also keep your shortstop that peavy wants and is also a pitchers best friend.Its a win win by tradding hanson.esco is also a every day player,pitchers are not.

By BravesFan

November 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

BAD MOVE, Frank!

Sabathia will be a Yankee or Dodger. Burnett will be back with the Blue Jays or with the Yankees or Orioles. Lowe will be a Yankee.

I just don’t get how we all think we are giving up too much for a CY YOUNG AWARD winning, absolute #1 ace pitcher when we weren’t even offering ANY of our REAL top prospects (Hanson, Heyward, Flowers, etc.)?

AND…this ace pitcher is ALREADY locked up for 4-5 more years at a contract that is probably going to be less than what Burnett and Lowe get, let alone the ridiculous money Sabathia is going to get!

????

REAL teams use their farm system to develop future players for their big league club AND as chips to trade to make themselves better. Anyone ever remember Brien Taylor of the Yankees or David Clyde of Texas or…the point is prospects are just that - prospects. Jake Peavy has been a #1 pitcher at the Major League level for 4 or 5 years ALREADY. You have to pay for this caliber of All-Star player.

I don’t blame the Padres for STARTING off their requests with a top prospect like Hanson…YOU all would do the exact same thing! And rightfully so!

Listen, I love the Braves but if we want to get better we need to not be so myopic about our “prospects” and look at the MLB landscape around us. We will not land Sabathia, Burnett, or Lowe and we had a VERY STRONG chance to get a pitcher as good if not BETTER for a few “prospects”.

NOT A GOOD MOVE, Frank.

By THE BEAR

November 16, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

The Marlins and Rays are doing quite well developing farm hands and trading for other prospects by trading away their expensive players. The Yankees and Red Sox simply buy their players. The Braves are somewhere in the middle of this philosophy. That seems to me to be an ideal place to be.

Wiser baseball heads than mine can usually tell a sure thing from a flash in the pan. And they have said Hanson is as sure a bet as can be. Peavy has already done it of course but we can not be any more certain his shoulder is going to hold up than we can be sure it won’t.

I would never trade Hanson, NEVER. And I would never trade Jurrjens. Those two will form the nucleus of a top notch rotation for the Braves for a long time to come.

The Braves made one of their best trades of all time when they traded Edgar. Surely they saw something in Jurrjens and in Gorkys. But we never talk about the good ones, just the bad ones such as the Tex debacle. Texas surely got the better of that deal. We gave them some top prospects and we got basically nothing but Kotchman out of the deal. I’m betting the Angels are wishing about now that they hadn’t made that trade. As a matter of fact some Angels fans are saying as much right now by wishing they still had Kotchman. Tex is going to make someone look stupid when he fails to deliver in the clutch for that $25 million he is going to get.

By JoeBrave

November 16, 2008 8:01 PM | Link to this

I’d say let Kevin Towers go FOCK himself,and Stick Jake Peavy in his Anus,Clearly raping,and pillaging the farm system, is not the thing to do, unless You are getting Two impact players for this package, which is why I would dial up Minnesota, and Inquire, on Scott Baker,and Jason Kubel for the same package.

By KC

November 17, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

WHAT IS GOING ON WITH AJC’S BRAVES COVERAGE???!!! Most recent beat blog doesn’t work, and there’s been nothing new in days. Not a peep from DOB or Carroll.

WHAT’S UP?

By Robert E

November 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

I can’t remember for sure, but didn’t DOB say that he’d be out of town (and not writing) for the weekend?

I read the blogs a lot and never post, but I think it’s funny how many people have come out of nowhere to mock DOB about this. He never said the Braves would get Peavy (though I, like a lot of others here believe they still have a chance later to do so), he just merely kept us abreast of the rumblings he was hearing. I’ll be checking back in often to see his response to some of the comments on here.

I say thanks Dave for how you’re able to keep this Braves fan up in Philly connected with what’s going on with the team.

Peace.

By VERITAS

November 17, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

WITHOUT NATIONAL EXPOSURE ON TBS AND TED TURNER’S BOTTOMLESS POCKETS, ATLANTA IS NOW A SMALL MARKET FRANCHISE ALONG WITH MILWAUKEE, PITTSBURGH AND KANSAS CITY. NO BIG NAME FREE AGENTS WILL COME HERE, AS FRANK WREN SCRAMBLES TO BRING BACK WASHED UP PITCHERS LIKE HAMPTON AND GLAVINE. NO OFFENSE. NO SPEED. NO STARTING PITCHING . NO BULLPEN. A BOOB FOR A MANAGER. ENJOY YOUR MEMORIES OF 1991-2005 !