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By Fred

January 31, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

The picture that accompanies the article sums it up 100%. Woodson standing there with a total look of bewilderment on his face - completely clueless as to how to coach during a game (as was evidenced last night). Even the announcers talked at length that they needed to up the tempo against an undermanned Clipper team and Woodson just plodded along in a half court game. I will not go to any more games until Woodson is gone and somebody with a pulse is head coach.

By scott

January 31, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

Dominique for Coach, Why Not?

By Bert

January 31, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

Easy.

You don’t touch Marvin Williams or Josh Smith. Too much long-term upside.

But Joe Johnson is valuable and tradeable.

Trade Joe. Get in a new coach. And bring in a point. A real point.

Hawks finish above .500, in the playoffs and get some valuable experience as the talented youngsters mature in the NBA.

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By GM R

January 31, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

As Clyde would say:

FIRE BILLY AND WOODY

By ATLFAN

January 31, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

FIRE WOODSON and dont even think about trading JJ,J-smoove,marvin, horford or chills. Woodson is the reason we lose, he cant coach. Heck i could coach better then he can. Package shelden,speedy tlue and maybe draft pick for kidd. and lets get this whole ownership taken care of. the spirit sucks. GO HAWKS!!!

By Boris Diaw

January 31, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this

TIREZ BILLY ET WOODY - I fart in their general direction and point my private parts at their aunties

By ATLFAN

January 31, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

scott i agree. Dominique for coach!

By JD

January 31, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

First

I think this is the first time in a long time that I’ve been truly frustrated with how the Hawks have played. It gets to be unbearable at times to watch. Here’s a team that, when it RUNS, it can’t be stopped. When they play HALF-COURT, they can’t toss it in the ocean. You don’t have a dependable spot-up shooter (Joe Johnson is tired, can’t you see that?), Al Horford is sometimes overmatched in the middle, and Josh Smith can’t put together a consistent thought play after play. Did you see what the Clippers did? Al Thornton was on FIRE last night, and what did they do? They milked it until the Hawks could stop it, which they didn’t do that great of a job at (33 points?) It befuddles me to wonder what in the hell the coach is thinking at times. Is he thinking at all?

Seriously, Mike Woodson has to go, NOW!! I’m with Clyde on this one - there is no way you can let this continue without some kind of shake up. It seems as if the Hawks are in the same position they were in last year at this time, and it doesn’t look like it’s getting better. If the Atlanta No-Spirit want to straighten this out right now, they need to be aggressive and make a change while there is a little life left in this team.

By Dan Roundfield

January 31, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

What does it actually take for Mike Woodson and Billy Knight to be fired? These owners claim they are so interested in the Hawks and they allow this product to be put out there? Please sell the Thrashers and the Hawks to one owner who isn’t spending valuable capital in court and spends it getting us players for the court. And fire Mike Woodson and Billy Knight. For the love of God. They are nearly 150 games under .500.

By Halberstram

January 31, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Here’s an idea, how about we get new owners. I know it’s not possible, but they are the reason for the turmoil surrounding the Thrashers & Hawks. Atlanta Spirit has been terrible for the city of Atlanta. They get involved in a court battle, which apparently can never be settled. This hamstrings the franchises so that no significant moves can be made.

I am not a Billy Knight fan at all, he was terrible before the court battle. However, he has no leash to do anything right now with acquisitions or trades, since everything has to be approved by owners that can’t agree on anything.

I don’t believe Woodson is a great coach, but I don’t think he’s had a fair hand at all the whole time he’s been here. He’s had to deal with Billy Knight as his GM and then terrible owners. I don’t think he should be fired because I’m not sure if anyone else can do any better.

How about the ajc interviews Atlanta Spirit owners and asks them why our franchises are in such terrible shape.

By fudd21

January 31, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

I think it starts at the top with BK and Woody. You have to get rid of those two. After that we need to do what it takes to get a good young PG in here. After watching AC the past few games I’m just not convinced he is the long term answer. I think bringing in Kidd isn’t the answer either as he is 34 with 15 years of wear and tear on him. I just don’t want to make the payoffs this year and suck again another 9 years.

I think J Smoove or Marvin would be the piece to move. Josh will get the most in return and will want huge money in the offseason. I don’t think he’s worth the money he will demand. Most people here want to move him to the 3, but he lacks the ballhandling, shooting, and on-ball defensive abilities to play the 3. Marvin just doesn’t have the fire or aggressiveness to be the second scorer we need. Plus neither one have the lateral quickness to defend the 3.

If our goal is just to make the playoffs then we are OK as is. But if our long term goal is to eventually play for a championship, we have got to get a second scorer in here. Someone that we can put the ball in their hands at crunch time and feel comfortable they will make a play. I have no such feeling about anyone but Joe. And considering that every team knows Joe will have the ball at crunch time and throws 2 or 3 defenders at him, I don’t feel good about him right now.

Get rid of BK, get rid of Woody, and get us a PG and lets move forward. NOW!

By Dumbing Down

January 31, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

How can anyone coach a bunch of thugs?

By andy

January 31, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Woodson clearly can’t motivate this team. He has been playing slow older veterans instead of quicker younger talent, robbing them of experience and confidence while causing frustration. Now the Vets are tired halfway throught the season and we are losing.
Woodson has two offensive plays, 1. Joe shooting against a double team in isolation, or 2. Alley-Oop to J. Childress or J.Smith There is no movement on offense, players standing around, no penetration, and no game plan. Billy “Blind As” Night felt we needed a point guard so we get Anthony Johnson for a second round pick?? And this is before we knew we were getting two picks in the first round. And then draft another point guard that isn’t used properly. Maybe you Billy should get someone else to coach the team. Or maybe Billy should fire himself and Mike Woodson. No wonder the Spririt Owners are dropping out and the fans don’t show. All these stupid decisions will make anyone go crazy.

By Blake

January 31, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

I have been rooting for the hawks for over 20 years now and after last nights game, i feel like Randy Quaid did in Major League 2 when he turned his back on his team. Before I buy another ticket, another hat, or even flip the tube onto sportssouth, until Woodson and coaching a middleschool dodgeball team

By oldmike

January 31, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

Not that i think anyone cares what I think, but as for me well I am done with this dispirited group. Their games are unbearable to watch. Same unsound decisions. Grasp defeat from the jaws of victory night after night. No concept of how to get the most out of the skills of the team that was constructed by this hapless GM. No rotation. Killing your best scorer with the league most minutes per game. I agree with Dan Roudfield - what does it take to get this GM/Coach tandem shown the door. Until something changes I have had enough.

By Charles

January 31, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

I think that the Hawks should stand pat with the players and coaching staff they have.

They have made great progress this season and still have a very reasonable chance to make the NBA Playoffs.

Other NBA teams see the talent the Atlanta Hawks and they play there “A” game against them.

Fans and Ownership please show some patience and let’s not panic and trade our great team foundation for re-treads and has-beens type players.

The Atlanta Hawks will rise again and are very capable of winning The NBA Championship with the team they have.

P L E A S E lets stay the course and support and pray for the Atlanta Hawks

By frank thompson

January 31, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

yes i agree with clyde ,owner need to put some fire under coach woodsoon ,bring in a talent coach and let him take the hawk to playoff,dominique will be a great fix for hawk he know alot about being uptempo and running team that has the talent like the hawk.trading j j and company would not help,trade shelden william and with go packing deal and get true point guard to run that upbeat tempo.

By Chikara

January 31, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

I hear what everyone is saying, and for the most part I agree. However, firing Woodson will not occur simply because the Atlanta Spirit is hemorraging money at the moment. As a result they stand to lose out by paying someone they just let go. Trading any of their players hurts their depth and bringing in a malcontent like Kidd won’t help matters.

This is what we are stuck with for the remainder of the season, so the losses will continue. In the meantime let’s do something more enjoyable, like watch what happens to the Falcons.

By Joe

January 31, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

How many times does the Hawks fans have to say it…FIRE WOODY!!! Bring in Larry Johnson and we are in the finals!

By blake

January 31, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Last night after the game i felt like randy quaid did when he finally turned his back on the indians. i have been a loyal fan for 20 years now and from now on i will never buy another ticket, purchase andother shirt, heck i wont even turn on sportsouth unless mike woodson is off the court and coaching a middle school dodgeball team

By CDS

January 31, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

It continues to boggle my mind how Woodson still has a job. The man is burnt out. You’ve seen the best that Woodson has to offer, and it’s not going to work. The owners need to get involved if they really give a damn about this team winning, and fire Knight since he refuses to get rid of Woody.

As for the players, JJ has to go. He may be a good player, but he will be nothing more than a role player. He has no fire or intensity, and he sure as hell isn’t a leader. The problem is his contract. Josh Smith is playing out of place, and Childress has no idea what to do.

I said a couple of years ago that you cannot accurately evaluate the talent of the guys on this team until you see them with another coach. But it looks like we are back at stage one. I don’t think Childress or Smith will sign on with us when they can go to a contender.

By Krib

January 31, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Okay ..We fire Billy and what does that solve ? Nothing. The new GM will still have his hands tied with all the hoopla going on in management. I think we should just grind it out till the end of the season. We are still in it to make the playoffs. We can make a 3 way trade for someone like Devin Harris at the point ( looks like Dallas wants JKid) who appears to be in the market. I would trade anyone except Joe,J Smith, Al, or Marvin.

By RealSquawk

January 31, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

it starts and ends with Mike Woodson

yeah we missed some gems in the draft, but there have also been some sound decisions by Billy Knight I mean most of us agree that we have a team that can get up and down the floor with the ease

outside of the suns we might be the best suited for that type of style unfortunately there is no execution and no movement

and that all goes back to the coach

By some sense

January 31, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Nobody can coach the Hawks any better than they are being coached now.BUT a coaching change probably has to happen.

The reason for the first statement is that the Hawks CAN’T improve w/ their current situation at point guard…no matter who the coach is.

So, two things need to happen simultaneously…a bold move at coach AND a blockbuster reworking of the roster while we have highly marketable players.

The two casualties should be Coach Woodson and Joe Johnson, but only if Lue, Stoudamire, Pachulia, and Shelden Williams can be “packaged”.

By JT

January 31, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

What is the difference between an Atlanta Thrashers team starting 0-6 and a move being made and the dreadful performance of the Atlanta Hawks? I do not understand. What is the ownerships response on this? Why is there this seemingly lack of caring for the Hawks and why doesn’t our current ownership group hold these guys accountable, like they do others, for what ultimately only matters - wins and loses. This is rediculous Atlanta. We are dying to pour our support into this team but we cannon and will not as long as this continues!

JT

By LC

January 31, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

The team has obviously tuned Woody out. As a longtime fan of the NBA, the mantra is that a coach’s life is 3-4 years with the same players before they start tuning him out. Skiles wore thin on the Bulls, etc. It happens. I think we could get JKidd without having to give up JJ, JSmoove, or Marvin. He’d be on the books for another season and a half. He’s tailor made for the running game. I keep hearing about Gasol, but who are we rumored to give up? If we do fire Woody, we need to get a name, not an assistant. Would Carlisle work? He’s known for being very rigid with playcalling and not a wide-open type of guy.

By anthony

January 31, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

PLEASE BRING YOUR FIRE COACH WOODSON SIGNS TO THE GAME ON STAURDAY

By Tim

January 31, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

So I didn’t watch the game last night. But I Have watched 90% of the games this season. We lack consistency. Even JJ’s numbers reflect that. Dominique was a floor general no matter what position he played. He was a leader. We do not have that here in Atlanta right now. We have tons of talent, but no true leader. Not on the floor, not on the bench, and obviously not in the front office. We need someone to step up on this team. We need a vocal leader who realizes when his team begins to falter, HE has to be the one to deliver the pass, shoot the jumpshot, or light a fire under this teams rumps. This team looks like a deer in headlights at times. The difference in this team being a contender or not lies solely on the shoulders of Mike Woodson. Can he coach? Here’s a few questions, Mike… what is Salim Stoudamire’s role on this team? Can’t he shoot the ball better than AC Law? Is Al Horford even allowed to drive the ball? I’ve seen the lane part like the Red Sea and Al treats it like a mine field. Attack the basket Al. And lastly… why in the hell is Speedy Claxton on this team? Has he even shot the ball once as a Hawk? We need size. We need a confident shooter who runs the floor and can take a game over with presence alone. We need direction. This team has proven it can win. This team needs direction. This team Needs Larry Johnson. Sorry Woody. Your days here are numbered.

By Hawksfan

January 31, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

Free the Hawks—fire Woodson.

I am convinced the players do not like playing for Woodson at this stage. How can Shelden, Salim and Solo possibly when they get no PT and are in the doghouse? How can A.J. and Zaza, when they have spent quality time in the doghouse? What about Josh Smith and T. Lue? Does anynone really believe those 2 are happy? Woodson’s subsitutions and playing time are irratic, he has a quick and big doghouse, and the players are just flat out glum and having limited fun.

A simple coaching change would make a big difference. Larry Drew for the rest of the season.

P.S.: Why never play Horford and Zaza togehter?

By Jesse

January 31, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

The coach needs to go. The players don’t listen to him. And when they do, they shouldn’t. They slow the ball in the 4th quarter trying to protect leads and they just lose the lead and the game. It’s painful to watch. They were built to play uptempo and they have a half court coach….. that makes a lot sense. They need to play like PHX and push the ball all game long. If they don’t do something now I’ll just give up on them. I mean I feel like I’ve wasted 2.5 hrs. of my life after I watch them blow a lead…..

By smartguy

January 31, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

If the Spirit doesn’t have the money to take care of normal business (players, coaches), then how are they going to come up with the money to buy out Belkin?

The fact that Woody is still our coach today means that he’s our coach for the rest of the season. The case for firing Woody could not be more clear and convincing. If they haven’t fired him now, then they never will, which sucks, because it is killing us fans. If he’s still the coach for monetary reasons, then the Spirit need to sell out, seriously. If they think he’s doing a good job, then we’re simply never going to get a good team with these clowns (ASG).

PLEASE BOYCOTT ALL HOME GAMES UNTIL WOODY IS FIRED. I’d be more than happy to participate in a protest outside of the arena, but I’n not paying to get in. Call the Spirit, email them, slap the crap out of them if you see ‘em.

By Ernest

January 31, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

It would be foolish to fire the coach or the GM. They build this team and we all Know they are young and talented. The starters are playing to many minutes in the run and shoot game that why they tire in the latter part of the game. More substitutions that can keep the run going is the problem along with the need for an enforcer in the middle and this is not to complain about Holford because he has done a great job out of his position. Also, Josh Smith needs to give the ball up in transistion to the point guard or JJ.

By HamDawg

January 31, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

You might as well just call The Atlanta Spirit the second coming of the Rankin Smith Boys. They are worthless. I really thought Woodson had the ability to coach but after watching the “team” play the last few weeks I have come to the realization that he is responsible for the demolition of “team chemistry”. And why is anyone still giving Marvin Williams a chance. As he has gotten more playing time the last few seasons he has gotten gradually worse as a shooter and he is a terrible defender. He always limps around the court and he is so slow that I think Zydrunas Ilgauskas could blow by him in a one on one situation. And as much as I’d like to see the Hawks make some trades it’s just not going to happen because other teams aren’t interested in any of the players. Joe Johnson is an overworked “good” ballplayer that shows no heart or fire when he is on the floor. Phoenix knew that when they sent him here. Scouts for other teams know that Marvin Williams has no upside and aren’t going to be willing to give up anything worthy in return for him. Josh Smith evidently has an attitude problem, although I believe his attitude problem is a guy named Mike Woodson. J Chill plays his heart out and would be a great fit with a good running team. Horford is a 12 and 10 guy and will always be that and nothing more. ZaZa thinks he is the next Larry Bird…uh, no ZaZa you stink. Acie Law could have been a good ballplayer under another coach but Woody destroyed his psyche to the point that Acie has lost his confidence in his ability to play the game. Anthony Johnson and T Lue should retire, along with Speedy Claxton-what a waste that signing was. Shelden is a nice guy but wasn’t worth a 3rd round pick if such a thing still existed. I know I’m missing a few guys but Woody won’t play them so they must be terrible, right. Man, I’m just tired of watching this “team” lose.

By smartguy

January 31, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Ernest, “the starters are playing too many minutes.”—Woody’s fault (and his alone).

“Horford is out of position.”—Woody’s fault.

“Young and talented.”—credit to BK (which I don’t do normally).

As a final point, Smooth has been creating a lot of assists in transition. Take a little bad with all that good.

By Angry Tim

January 31, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Atlanta “Rankin Smith” Spirit. Mike “Greg Knapp, the undertaker, the worst coach in Atlanta history” Woodson. Pitiful Pitiful PITIFUL.

By Chuck D

January 31, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

I love that our coach has a 30% winning percentage. What a loser.

By Same Ole Same Ole

January 31, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

This aticles serves no purpose other than HITS for the AJC site which means more money for the AJC. REPORT THE TRUTH. PLEASEEEE. The ASG is not going to make a move with this LAWSUIT against BELKIN in the balance. Plus they cant trade if they wanted to. THERE IS NO FRIGGIN MONEY!!!! These guys have lost MILLIONS the past few years. You had 300 guys with million dollars each buy a pro team. Complete Disaster. Woody knows this and hence why he coaches and plays the players HE wants too. This is soooooo SAD because for a MIN at the start we had a good swing going with fewer guys. EVERY 3rd grader in GA knows the HAWKS need a TRUE PG and a TRUE Center. We can BLOG about changes all we want but until G JR and the gang give in nothing happens!!!

By Fading Fast

January 31, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

Try this…

Talk Hubie Brown into taking over the team on an interim basis, just for the remainder of the season. He would light a fire under these guys and get them to play fundamentally sound basketball. I think our players have forgotten how to play a complete game. And for sure Hubie would bring mental toughness to the table that Woodie lacks.

Then, after the season, allow Hubie the opportunity to be involved with the selction of a full-time head coach.

Just a wishful thought that might shake things up…I know BK won’t allow that to happen, so get rid of him too. The longer you let the wound fester, the greater the infection.

By cjizzle

January 31, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Everyone knows coach Woodson is clueless!! Look at his recored in four years. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know if a coach hasn’t won in four years he isn’t likely to ever win!! I think we need a new voice!! The talent is here look at some of the teams we beat this year. We have a lot more talent on this team than teams ahead of us in the standings. So, that tells me Woodson must go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By FrustratedAtlantaFan08

January 31, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

If the Hawks want to make a run at the playoffs this year, they shouldn’t fire Woodson before the season is completed. They should package Josh Smith with some productive, cheaper players like Anthony Johnson and Zsa Zsa Petulia for Jason Kidd. The Nets veteran has 3-4 good years left in him and could mentor a good young point guard we get out a future draft. Dump Woodson & Knight after the season is up and shop for quality replacements.

By The Realist

January 31, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

While I’m ready to throw a shoe or something every time I see the offense run through Josh Smith in ANY fashion, I don’t think he’s the problem. I can’t understand for the life of me why, considering his knack for turnovers, he’s allowed to come down & go into playmaker mode. Probably because when Joe is doubled, we have no better offensive options. Also, if the genious GM would finally sign a dominant (or at least starter-caliber) PG, Josh Smith wouldn’t have so many opportunities to throw the ball away!

By Nick Bolton

January 31, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

PLEASE BRING YOUR FIRE COACH WOODSON SIGNS TO THE GAME ON SATURDAY. I WILL BE THERE LEADING “FIRE WOODSON” CHANTS

By Mike Patel

January 31, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Ok - Here’s the deal. It seems we have a whole bunch of pied off Hawks fans here. We have all reached the point of no return. For this 4 game homestand I want to create a real stir, and make it on the national sports shows. We need to have all out FIRE WOODSON protests before the game, and throughout the game. If we can get enough people to join in, it will be effective. This won’t guarantee anything, but I’m tired of sitting around doing nothing. If you don’t want to pay to go inside, that’s fine, we need you outside protesting. Please email me sotiremang at aol.com for more information, as I will create an email group of all of us - Thanks for listening**

By Mike Patel

January 31, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Ok - Here’s the deal. It seems we have a whole bunch of pizzed off Hawks fans here. We have all reached the point of no return. For this 4 game homestand I want to create a real stir, and make it on the national sports shows. We need to have all out FIRE WOODSON protests before the game, and throughout the game. If we can get enough people to join in, it will be effective. This won’t guarantee anything, but I’m tired of sitting around doing nothing. If you don’t want to pay to go inside, that’s fine, we need you outside protesting. Please email me sotiremang at aol.com for more information, as I will create an email group of all of us - Thanks for listening

By Iamunfan

January 31, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

In today’s business society 30% completion rate would get you fired in a heart beat and it would not take four years to get it done. Why wait? The coach of the Hawks has just that a 30% winning percentage.

By Season Ticket Holde

January 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

I am a season ticket holder and pay over $13,000 a year for season tickets. If the Hawks do not terminate Mike Woodson, I don’t care if they do make the playoffs somehow, I will not be renewing my season tickets next year. Period. Get with it Atlanta Spirit.

By Frank

January 31, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

We won’t get kidd, it just won’t happen( we are the hawks,remember). A more realistic move would be Bibby and Artest for Chill, Lue and ZaZa/Sheldon. Brings a vet point that can hit a 17ft jumper and some Defense and toughness off the bench.

By B-man

January 31, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Steve Smith for Coach!!!! Its too funny to hear Smitty call the game. You can hear it in his voice sometimes that he just wants to scream at Woody “WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING!!!”

By Meezy

January 31, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

In order for them to stop this bleeding right now and get back on track, I think they should push hard for J. Kidd. He stated that he doesn’t necessarily have to go to the best team, but a team that at least is playoff bound or has a chance. I think we’d put our chance in stone with him. Immediate rebound help along with someone who can coach on the floor. Acie Law also idolizes that dude, so that’s ready made tutoring. All in all, I think we can use him for about two years to help Law …take some of the pressure off Joe Johnson by spreading the scoring around … and giving them dudes hope.

Plus, we can use Anthony Johnson, Marvin Williams, and someone else as trade bait. I’d even trade the 2nd round pick we have being that we don’t have a first rounder next year anyway.

Also, Mike Woodson is the problem. He has to go after the season. Jason Kidd would atleast mask that until the end of the season. I’d trade Marvin before Josh Childress because I don’t think Childress has a problem coming off the bench.

By Bob

January 31, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

Run, run, run. If this is a running team, then run. If this is a half court team, get some plays together. There is no set plays and they are only good is when they are running.

By Spector

January 31, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

I think the Hawks not only need to FIRE Mike Woodson but also should try to acquire Jason Kidd.

Woodson has his fair chance with this team. He is not coaching the team well this year nor has he in the past. We are inconsistent and tend to get lost in the fourth quarter. I think this has to do with poor coaching based on experience.

Now why do the Hawks need Kidd?

Simple, we do not have a point guard. Anthony Johnson is over achieving and the Hawks actually have a worse record when Tyronne Lue plays significant time. Acie Law apparently is not ready to play the point since he gets no playing time but he is slowing ut surely improving. I think we take a shot at Kidd and offer Shelden, Chilldress, a draft pick and/or Salim.

By JDub

January 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

FIRE WOODSON! The guy couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag!

By Jason

January 31, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

I really think a push for Kidd is a great idea.
Firing Coach Woodson also great idea. Find a way to get good up and coming talent for Joe Johnson I do love Joe he is an model player that never does anything negative towards the image of the Hawks, but the decline for him will be harsh and swift I belive

So with that said instead of trading away half our team for Kidd. Trade Joe and Zaza for Kidd and Maliek Allen. NJ would be getting talent for talent and could do what we use to do and make Joe into a combo guard and the Hawks lineup would now be

PG - Jason Kidd SG - Josh Childress SF - Marvin Williams PF - Josh Smith C - Al Hortford

This trade could work and would bring new life to Phillips.
New coach - Love the thought of Dominque bringing back an upbeat style with Kidd at the helm.

By Hawksfan

January 31, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this

Just imagine this line up pg- j kidd sg- salim sf- jj pf- js c- al

J kidd would bring instant success. And i hear a rumor that they are going to trade Marvin, sheldon, and t lue for j kidd

By Rick

January 31, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Jason are you an idiot or what. Joe johnson will never be traded. He is the only offense for them. Marv zaza for j kidd is what this team needs. And woody is so annoying all he does is draw pictures on his little playbook annd cross his arms.

By smartguy

January 31, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

BOYCOTT ‘TIL WOODY IS GONE.

BOYCOTT UNTIL WOODY IS GONE.

By Dwight Jordan

January 31, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

The Hawks need to land a point guard. Signing Speedy did not turn out the way in which we wanted. We can go on and on about this passing on DeRon Williams and Chris Paul, but we need a veteran point guard to help guide the team and mold A. Law. There a few guards out there to fit the bill. Kidd, A. Miller, S. Cassell. These guys would make the squad better just because it would require folks to stay on them as supposed to doubling Johnson, Williams and Smith. If the Hawks are unable to land one of these three, I have a name for you that would be a fit—and he is available. Jalen Rose. Laugh if you want too, but he would pose match-up problems for all of the smaller point guards in the East. I do not know what his health is like, but it would sure beat what we have now—inconsistent play from your floor general

By Bleaker

January 31, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

I hope we lose every game until Woody is fired. Unbelievable that he still has a job.

By Brad

January 31, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

With their talent, they should at least be above .500. WOODSON MUST GO!!!!! Now that they have a little respect and above average pieces, maybe Atlanta can get a real coach.

By Tiger Woo

January 31, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

Dwight Jordan,

A few years ago, Jalen Rose might have been an option …

On November 7, 2006, it was announced that Rose had signed a $1.5 million deal with Phoenix. As a member of the Phoenix Suns, Rose did not play very many minutes. The fast-paced Suns offense was too fast for the aging swingman and his knees became a liability on defense. Upon the Suns’ elimination from the 2007 NBA Playoffs, he became a regular commentator for ESPN giving regular insider perspective on games from both a player’s and analyst’s perspective. Rose has also been a courtside reporter for TNT during the playoffs.

By ATLFan

January 31, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

First of all…I am a native Atlanta fan living in Long Beach, CA now. I was at the Hawks vs Clippers game last night. I was very close to the Hawks bench and what I saw was very, very sad. Basically, what I saw from most of the players and the coach was quite disgusting. Al Thornton single-handledly took the Hawks defense (if you can call it that) apart. It was very easy for me to see that the players were not willing to play hard for Coach Woodson. He has definitely lost their confidence in his ability as a coach. From the players on the floor to the players on the bench, there was no motivation or desire to compete. The players were confused and looked like they did not know their assignments. Zaza was pathetic, to say the least. How can you be this many games into the season and still look confused!!! There were several plays where I saw Zaza not even make an attempt to block a shot…just plain horrible!! It is apparent that Zaza and the coach are at odds with each other. At best, Joe Johnson is a streaky shooter that cannot create his own shot, when necessary. Anthony Johnson was ineffective the whole game. Overall, the Hawks are in desperate need of 3 things: 1) A point guard that can be an inspiring leader and can effectively manage the tempo of the game 2) A Center that can shut down the middle 3) A coach that is creative and capable enough to call plays that utilize other players on the floor when the first option is not available. Being an athelete that competed in high school and college sports, it hardly ever mattered to me how the game was being coached…that was not my responsibility. At the very least, an athelete should want to compete for the sake of pride and support of his/her team-mates. From what I saw last night and throughout the season, it is obvious that Coach Woodson is in over his head and lack the ability to get the maximum effort out of his players each night. He has had several seasons to work with most of the same nucleus of players but still makes the same excuse for their inept play. Anyone that has a pulse should be able to see that the Hawks are being poorly managed and coached…PERIOD!!!!

By Frank

January 31, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

It is time to change the coach. They can’t fire the team. Trade Acey and Anthony for Jason Kidd.

By Yossi

January 31, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Guys we need a coach who develops players and not turn them into cheer leaders on the sideline. Hawks start well but rarely finish. When players are trying to look for answers where is Woody? This team’s goal should not be just play-offs. And if we have to go beyond even to the championship, then Woody is not the coach, sorry. Do you think godfather BK will let him go? If not, then both must go. All over the league Hawks always get humiliated in the hands of former Hawks, thanks to BK. We suffer anxiety every time Hawks play, because we can only be sure of their win when the whistle blows. Do you think the owners watch any Hawks game? I would love to hear their experience in the 48 minutes of torture to the fans.

By HawksFan1010

January 31, 2008 7:23 PM | Link to this

I will tell the Atlanta Spirit one thing, I am one of the very few season ticket holders and don’t plan on renewing next year unless changes are made quickly!

Fire Woodson Fire Knight

Thanks!

By Woodson

January 31, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this

FIRE ME PLEASE

By Reggie Reg

January 31, 2008 7:41 PM | Link to this

Well first of all, let’s it an concept of doing an throughly research of the NBA marquee teams (Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, Bulls and now Spurs). As a Atlanta-born native, going on 50 years of age, the Hawks was one of those teams. We’re talking about before Dominque’s and John Drew’s time. When we had Zelmo B., Bill Bridges, Walt Hazzard, Joe Caldwell and Super Lou Hudson. The formula as a marquee team formulated. So Now, we can go hindsight about the status of the team now and pat ourselves on the back as though we’re experts on determining the success of this organization. Sure it starts with decision making on how you’re going to build a team. With all due respect to Billy Knight, you have to start with someone who knows what it takes to acheive the “Prize”. Someone who’s been in a system that have acheive this ultimate destiny. Get someone who’s started out as of no major impact, who grew up , nutured this kind of system. Such examples Phil Jackson (Knicks), Pat Riley (Lakers), and now Byron Scott(Lakers). No, I’m not saying that this is sure way, but odds are better. I’ve tried to find logic, behind our lack of scouting on pure point guards. For as recent as passing up the kid playing in LA with the Lakers, that played for GA Tech. His play in LA has pushed the the kid named Famar, to take his game to another level. The Lakers know they have a luxury at that position, not a lot experience but a legitmate chance to compete. That position is the “Engine”. Maybe someone can tell me, but all the teams that obtained the “Prize”, that I can remember, at the point guard position, was all-star calibur whether it be in assists, steals, scoring or an impact on the defensive sign. Anthony Johnson is the only legitmate point guard on the Hawks team. We have learn to be creative. By mean, look how we’re not putting a best players on the floor the last 3 to 4 minutes left, moving Joe to point, bring Josh Childress to the two. With that backcourt along with Josh Smith, Marvin, and Al. We have our “slashers” (both Josh), our shooters (Joe and Marvin, and our banger(Al)and have a more of a legitmate chance of competing with anyone in the league. I’m only on the outside looking in and we don’t how the configuration are being made, is it an collective effort or one-sided, but with the range that kid Stoudemire has, he can help to make the other team play honest on the outside. This kid is ready for this oppurtunity (interchangeable with the “slashers”). The last first round pick we took and the year before (2006), no offense to those guys, but ????????

By BeachGaBulldog

January 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

I just started keeping up with the Hawks this year, after YEARS of having nothing to do with them. The last time I do remember watching them was when they had Dominique, Levingston, Carr, Wittman, etc., so that is OBVIOUSLY a number of years ago. I don’t know a whole lot about the makeup of the players other than a few. I do see that Woodson needs to be FIRED, IMMEDIATELY! Knight is an idiot. He always defends his stupid decisions, and I am sick of it. I might get totally interested in the team again when those two LOSERS leave!

By mykhalc

January 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

ATLFan, thanks for postin’ and the insight!! really sorry you had to see it first-hand!!!

WOODSON’s gotta go…PERIOD!!!!

By Najeh Davenpoop

January 31, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

If someone could guarantee that Jason Kidd would be healthy and would produce at his current level or better for the next three years, a Joe Johnson for Jason Kidd trade would be excellent for the Hawks.

Joe is a great player, but a lineup of Kidd, Chills, Marvin, J-Smoove and Horford would run up and down the floor and easily make up for Joe’s scoring. Outside shooting would be an issue (which it is now anyway) but the overall gain from such a trade would be positive, I think. The trade proposed by Jason is not bad at all, for the rest of this season.

The big problem, obviously, is that Kidd is 35 and has already had one microfracture surgery. Trading a top-30 NBA player in his prime for a guy who is as big an injury risk as Kidd is probably not worth it in the long run.

By smartguy

January 31, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

Woody is an idiot.

Woody is an idiot.

Woody is an idiot.

By T

January 31, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

The Hawks will never be anything other than cellar-dwellers. It’s the reality of this franchise. Atlanta needs to forget them and move on to baseball. The Braves are the only pro team in this city worth caring about. Period.

By tony

January 31, 2008 9:03 PM | Link to this

no trades until we get a new gm and new hc. players tend to play better when they are coached by someone they respect and look up to. they will respect and look up to kurt rambis because he is humble, he won championships and he is an outstanding communicator. i also believe magic johnson will make an pretty good gm.

By Reggie Reg

January 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Rebuttal to Bytony

That’s a great start; It ain’t hard…

By Steve T

January 31, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

Can someone please tell Woody how to beat a zone. Someone has to hit some threes or someone has to get inside. The whole team needs to learn how to pass and cut.

By Michael

February 1, 2008 12:07 AM | Link to this

trade tlue, claxton, childress and shelden williams for kidd

By Mac-Town

February 1, 2008 3:51 AM | Link to this

Hey…wdf@ I dont udnerstand where some of you are coming from…weren’t the hawks a good team when nique played?

I was a little boy…but werent we also pretty good in the Steve Smith/Blaylock/Mutombo Days?

We HAVE had some good periods oftime…dont act like we’ve always sucked!

By Tree Rollins

February 1, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

What in the world does it take to figure out Mike Woodson is not an NBA coach?? It’s been obvious for 3 years now. The players are fine. Get Larry Brown in here and see what he can do with these players.

And I’m sick of Billy Knight. He’s arrogant, defensive and stubborn. Those are the traits we want in our GM??? Bring Belken back if we have to in order to get some sense back in this group.this text will be bolded

By Joe

February 1, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

I every morning I wake up hoping somethings changed, the coach and gm are gone, some significant trade, somebody else bought the team but no, nothing ever changes. This is truly a franchise that can’t get out it’s own way. And who suffers, us fans….again. You can tell from the decent crowds and the passion of the folks on these blogs that Phillips would rock if they put a decent product on the floor. Dam, I miss good Bball.

By CP

February 1, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

IT doesnt matter who is on the team as long as Cant coach MIKE is around. Get us a damn coach.

By Perry

February 1, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

Yes Dominique for Coach and i trade for jason kidd or trade Marvin Williams and other for better player. Don’t trade your all-star joe johnson or you future all-star josh smith. But if you do trade either of them you better get better talent and bring a championship to the city of Atlanta.

By Fire Woodson

February 2, 2008 2:24 AM | Link to this

As anyone who’s watched a game on TV this season knows, Steve Smith has been commenting on (and questioning) Woodson’s coaching decisions all year long. He’s been virtually interviewing for the job. And most of what he says has made sense (except for his insane love of Lue, but noone is perfect).

So I say fire Woodson, and either: make Billy Knight prove this team can do something; promote one of the assistant coaches, especially since they tried to get out of Dodge before and management wouldn’t let them leave; or put Steve Smith as coach, and make Dominique Wilkins GM.

By big b

February 2, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

fire billy knight. shoulda been done long ago. woodys gotta go too. sorry dude! team still gonna need a consistant point guard. trade sheldon, speedy, AJ, ZaZa, and marvin(if you have to)for j.kidd.(or jason williams, or mike bibby). maybe trade sheldon for a chance on theo ratliff. dont trade your core team players(JJ, Smoove, Chill, or Crazy Al) that have proven that they are team players, but just frustrated by the GM/coach and lack of dominate point guard to run the floor. who wants to run the floor if you dont have confidence that your point will get you the ball? bring in a reputable coach/GM that this young team will respect. i would love to see mike glenn, dominique, smitty, or willie anderson as GM/coach in ATL. we need some Magic!