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By Dianna

October 29, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

We had enough trouble learning to pronounce Renteria. How in the __ are we supposed to pronounce Jair Jurrjens?

By Alan

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Best position player on the team all last season. Can’t believe that all we get is a couple of minor-league prospects for him. Hopefully Escobar won’t have a sophomore slump next season…

By Casey

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I think it is a wise decision. Clear up some cap space and give Yunel time to shine a short.

By Drew Gilchrease

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

At least the BRaves are consistent when it comes to the annual “Clearing House” ideology. First Andruw, not Renteria. This move totally caught me by surprise because of Renteria’s stellar play in his two seasons here. I can only assume the “powers that be” know what they’re doing yet again! I trust their decision, yet I don’t understand it.

By josh kunis

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

go mets!

By Rob

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

It was all of those things. I hate to see Renteria go (and I hope his trip to the AL goes better than last time)but the Braves killed several birds with one stone. It was a bold but necessary move for the Braves’ new GM. Goodbye, Edgar! We will miss you!

By atlpaddy

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Why didn’t Wren go for a proven pitcher ? It seems like we could have gotten more for Rent. Oh well, I hope he has better success this time in the junior circuit.

By CW

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Shame that it comes down to this because this guy was a consumate pro both in the field and at the plate. We probably all saw this coming because 1) Escobar had such a great year, 2) we need the contract room in order to fill more pressing needs, of which there are many. The starting rotation needs at least one more proven winner and innings eater and really needs two. Despite all our early season depth in the bullpen, it all came unravelled pretty quickly with a few injuries and overuse (see starting rotation). Although we’d all like to see JS go out and replace Andruw with another big name, pitching seems like the far bigger priority.

By BobIs

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

OK, so Edgar and his .332 batting average was the problem last year?

Frank Wren is a double agent. You heard it here first.

By josh kunis

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

go mets!!!

By Gator

October 29, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Hopefully some of the comments are right and these prospects are tools for a higher profile trade. Probably not though. Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Jurrjens, Hampton/Reyes/James looks good.

By mike

October 29, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Im not sure I like it. Edgar is a great player, still an elite shortstop in my opinion, a class act, leader in the clubhouse, and a clutch hitter/defender. I think that at the very least the braves could have acquired someone who is a solid number 3 starter right now in addition to a good prospect. I felt they pulled the trigger too quickly. I do hope that Edgar does great in Detroit and gets back to the postseason like he deserves. Im not sure that this trade helps the Braves for the 08 season

By joe from central ca

October 29, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

I thought we were going to look at trading him for a solid starter not a minor league guy who only had 7 starts THIS YEAR! This looks like a major youth movement now. How are we going to have any shot at keeping a vet like Tex now that the A Braves have become the R Braves, much less the money it would take. Not sure about this one, this smacks of “The Future” not “The Next Year”.

By Rev. Zoldars

October 29, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

I guess it makes sense for the future - but only if both of these guys pan out. So my question now is, what super clutch, patient, great guy, with tremendous playing abilities will fill edgars role? Even if Yunel takes edgars spot, i think we lose power, and since yunel was often in the lineup with edgar, that is not an even swap.

By Michael H

October 29, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

We’ll see how the prospects turn out, but I would have rather seen a proven starting pitcher in return. Petty bold move by our new GM.

By Realistic Ricky

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Partly to clear the way for Escobar to start, and partly to clear some money off the books for the free agent market (hopefully). I think it is a real “stretch” to call trading for two minor leaguers a move to add depth, when they have not proven they can play in the major leagues. Go Braves!!!

By Morrison

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Escobar will now be the everyday shortstop, a downgrade from Renteria if you ask me. Sportscrack.com is reporting that the Braves could look into dealing the two prospects they just acquired from the Tigers to the Orioles for starter Erik Bedard.

Bedard is a stud and his contract isn’t up till after the 2009 season. Put him in the rotation with Smoltz and Hudson and you are looking at the best staff in the National League.

By jdg2

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

The movement to address youth and our pitching void are obvious. With Mattingly not getting the Yankees skipper job, shouldn’t we bring him in to ATL to take over for Bobby at the end of next year? A year on the bench with Bobby will have him and the Braves on fire for 2009!

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

I’m not surprised in the least. Yunel Escobar and the need for another starting pitcher made this a foregone conclusion.

By rob

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Bad move. Could we not have at least gotten a decent, established starter for him? Not a great start for Frank Wren. I don’t mind trading Renteria but two prospects? Wow.

By Mike

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

This trade is really dumb trading away a .330 hitter and gold glove shortstop for two inexperienced minor leaguers. However, it did clear the way for Escobar and cleared some money. Whether Escobar will ever become what Renteria was, or whether that money will be spent is another question.

By Jay Black

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Is it a coincidence that this comes just a day after the A-Rod announcement? Could we be clearing cap space to go after him. I don’t think Escobar can produce like Renteria could. But we all know who can, and he doesn’t want to be in pinstripes anymore. Just a thought.

By Kevin J. O'Leary

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

I understand why this trade was pulled off, however, knowing that the biggest off-season issue is pitching, how do two minor leaguers address that need? Unless I missed something both of these guys are one to two seasons away.

By Diogenes

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

I realize it was a necessary move (and assume it was dollars-driven), but I sure hate to see him go. What a class act, and a reliably good player, too. I wish him the best of luck.

By MikeJones

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

We’ve cleared around 24 mil now.. Move Yunel to 2nd and sign A-rod??

By BravesinTN

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

I hate it. Hate it. Let’s take the team’s most consistent, high-average hitter and dump him for prospects! I have no clue who’s these 2 prospects are, but SURELY the Braves could have received more for Edgar. I think Yunel would’ve done just fine platooning/pinch-hitting for another year…

By John

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Edgar was a great player, and I hope many will agree. I think we got some great building blocks for the future. Jurrjens may even be ready to go this year. I just hope it clears enough room for maybe Mike Cameron and some more starting pitching.

By brooksdawgs

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

For Renteria I think we should have at least got a proven player. Maybe one of these prosects will turn out but that is a big chance for the man who just finished near the top of the league in batting

By BirdMahn

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Is this a freaking joke??? A .300-hitting allstar shortshop for a couple of prospects?

By andy

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Probably the “right” move—-I HATE IT.

By Brob311

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Guy finishes in the top BA category, has hit clutch year in and year out since with the braves, and an excellent glove. He is more consistent than UGA beating Tech and we let him go. If we keep Tex and Yunel develops well it could work. We’ll see, I liked Edgar.

By Burdell's Brother

October 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

The moves like this have seemed to pan out in the past. I think this is probably a piece of a bigger plan set in place. Ironically, Detroit was supposed to be in play for AROD, I guess they do not need a SS any more,.

By raymond

October 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

It’s not like we cleared up all that much money. The Braves only owed 6 million of Edgar’s salary next year. The reality is, that all the Braves will do with that money is sign Mike Cameron for two years but we will have a drop off at short, but in centerfield as well. we have lost an important part of the offense in Andruw and Edgar and we still don’t and won’t have added another starting pitcher ( DON’T SIGN GLAVINE).

By Illegal Hispanico

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Who cares? Baseball is an over-rated “hobby” sport like bowling. Renteria has been over-paid since coming to Atlanta; wait a minute!, ALL baseball players are over-paid!

By ck

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Bedard is available from Baltimore for some able young bodies ready for the bigs…. maybe we are not done dealing yet.

By Mike

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Move makes no sence, should have gotten a front line starter. But time will tell with this move. Was this just a bad move by Wren? Or is this move simply to clear salary space?

By Warren

October 29, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

The dumb trades just keep a coming, this beats them all. Edgar was the most consistent hitter for the Braves in the last several years. When you play good your reward is you get traded. Here we come to last place quickly.

By OLD COOT

October 29, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

The trade will be good if the money saved allows us to spend on a good starting pitcher or center fielder. If not, this sucks.

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

October 29, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Looks good on paper. Maybe give the young CF a shot in Spring at the job and the Pitcher a shot at the 4th spot. If it works not bad for a 32 year old shortstop. Renteria was a great Pro while here and I bet will be missed in the clubhouse, but the Braves seem to be rebuilding smartly.

Also what does Detroit do with Renteria? SS is already filled with Carlos Guillen, 3B Brandon Inge and 2B with Palanco? 1B? DH Sheffield?

Interesting for them to make the move.

By Brian

October 29, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

I’m beginning to believe that all of Atlanta’s sport’s teams are run by people who are honestly mentally challenged.

By Brian Hill

October 29, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Not sure why people can’t recognize the obvious. It is never about the present or the future. It is always about both. Renteria wasn’t traded because we didn’t want him. He plays a position that we had depth at. It would have been nice to land a frontline starter but the premium for that is a lot higher than just Edgar right now. We add a pitcher to plug in in 2009 after Smoltz and Glavine walk and our centerfielder of the future. Edgar is a top notch player and even better person. It is a business!!! Good luck to Edgar and the Braves.

By snellvillejacket

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

If memory serves me right the last pitching [prospect to come from the tigers worked out fairly well. If this ones does half as well there are close to 100 wins.

By bwash21

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Before we overreact, give this some time to play out. There has to be SOME REASON that we needed to clear 10M from the books on October 29th. I don’t like it initially, but there has to be something else going on that we don’t know about. If it’s all to clear the books, I’m going to be sick to my stomach that we didn’t get someone that can help us now for an All-star SS.

By Dave

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

It makes sense to clear up more room. Edgar was a stand-up guy and had a great two years here. He will be missed but Escobar should be able to fill in quite nicely. My only question is who they got for him. It looks like they both have great potential, but that’s been said about a ton of players. It would have been nice to have someone in return that could have an immediate impact instead of potential down the road. I’m never too thrilled about what someone will do a year or two from now. You need to win today, not three years from now. When you start constantly looking to the future, that day usually never comes.

Josh Kunis - Nice Mets comment. They have a lot of places to “Go” after the biggest collapse in the history of the game. EVER. They should be on the TV show “The Biggest Loser”, they’d do well!

By C Gillespie

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Here we go again. No doubt Detroit will be the next to win the Series after they make trades to get all the ex Brave players. Just look how many were on the teams in the playoffs and even the World Series.
Where were the Braves themselves? At home trying to figure out who else they can trade.

By Walker

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Hey, let’s go after A Rod! HA!

By Capt. Caveman

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Once again the “arm-chair” GM’s offer their expert opinion on a deal they have no clue or knowledge of. Gimme a break - and wait till spring before making conclusions.

By Jay Black

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Maybe making room for Torii Hunter?

By Keith

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Can you say “Welcome Home”, Tom Glavine?

By kreedham

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

I hate seeing Edgar go but I do think Escobar is up to the task.

You just can’t rate the trade now cause there will be more moves coming. Glavine probably coming, another trade or two, maybe a free agent or two. Should be fun and I expect, on paper, we’ll be the team to beat in the EAst when all is said and done!

By robert

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

If you want to clear up some cap get rid of Chipper Jones. We need key starting pitchers not more Minor league guys. Didn’t learn anything last year. We don’t have strong enough pitchers.

Who has the strongest arm in the Outfield. Frenchie does move him over. And spend the rest of the money on pitchers.

Red Sox won with great pitching.

By Josh

October 29, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

In September there was talk about Renteria being after the season. Renteria being traded should not be a surprise, especially with the season Escobar had. The Braves got a bona fide stud in Jurrjens. This kid can deal. He will be in the starting rotation, guaranteed. I do not know much a bout Gorkys Hernandez but I hear he is highly touted. It is sad to see Renteria go but this trade is worth it.

By Sophia

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Boo. Renteria’s a great player, class act, and a quiet leader in the clubhouse. I can understand why the Braves did it with Escobar in the loop but I hate that it had to be Renteria that was traded. Good luck in Detroit Rent! We’ll miss you.

By Ray

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

The last young “prospect” we got from Detroit went by the name of Smoltz. Hope this works out as well.

By JB

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Hold up. Did someone say the Braves had lost a major part of the offense when they let Andruw go?

Are you kidding me? He hit, what, .221 this year? You’d think he would WANT to be disciplined enough to take the ball to right field occasionally, but that would be asking too much of Andruw. Good riddance Dawg.

By lynn

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

I think it sucks! right along with the release of Andrew

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Sorry apparently

By sb

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

With the rumors going around that the Braves are trying to get A-Rod, this will add serious fuel to that fire.

Slim chance that would happen, but can you imagine Chipper, A-Rod, Texeira, and Francouer in the same lineup?

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Bring on ARod, and yes he will gladly take back his old position..SS, trade rookies for more pitching and with Texeira batting cleanup Atlanta should be back in command!

By Tim

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

I had little doubt that he would be traded, but I felt certain we would hold out for starting pitching. That was about the biggest card we had to deal. No worries about Escobar at short.. he’ll be great, but now, how do we get starting pitching?

By kreedham

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

As far as getting two “prospects” just remember we gave up a few to get Tex. Need a few back to fill up the pipeline. If we get Glavine I suspect he’ll just play one more year and Smoltz probably just two. Some moves are made for today and some for the future.

Last time we traded a vet to the Tigers for a young guy(s) we did alright! That young guy is still a Brave.

By The Kid

October 29, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

By tommy

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I am not sure about this move unless there is a deal for a pitcher already in the works because Detroit has couple I would have liked to have gotten for Renteria.

By kcr211

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

The folks in Detroit are none too pleased about this trade either. They gave up “two of their top four prospects for a player on the wrong side of 30.” Look here.

I’m willing to endorse this trade. I’m not sure that the people saying we could have waited and gotten more are correct, since it sounds like these are top prospects.

By steven

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Good move—- lets hope it works as well as the last time we got a rookie pitcher from detroit. Anyone remember complaing about alexander for smoltz!

By EJRC11

October 29, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Do some research we got two terrific prospects.

We had no space for Rent anyway!!!

By RW

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

“How cum” I never recognize the names or ability of those we get in return for a good player?

By 1957 Braves Fan

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

I seem to recall everyone was complaining when we traded some of our top prospects for Tex. The Tigers wanted Edgar and the Braves wanted these two top prospects for him.

By John

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

It’s nice to see we got someone with speed who can hopefully be a Jose Reyes type sense he was voted Most Exciting Player and we got another young pitcher. Maybe Jurrjens can do better than all the other young pitchers we’ve seen with the Braves lately.

By Paul W

October 29, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

I don’t like it but I understand the necessity- this is a part of the economics of baseball. What we got back was irrelevant; this was clearling money for a centerfoelder, some starting pitching, and hopefully to keep Texiera.

By Phil

October 29, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Right idea, bad execution. We should have gotten at least a formidable starter for him. So much for the Braves’ “priorities”…

By Matthew

October 29, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Class guy, fantastic work ethic, great talent, hustler. Every one of these describes Edgar Renteria. Edgar has it all, and Frank W is a stupid idiot for making this deal. I like Yunel, I love Edgar. I’ll be rooting for him in Detroit and I truly hope he puts up MVP #’s next season.

By atlbraves

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

I do not like this trade…unless there are other moves that will come from this! We did not get the immediate help that we need. Great prospects…but not immediate help!

By David

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

I am a little surprised at what they got in return. These had better be two very special prospects or Frank Wren’s first deal as GM is a disaster. If they both turn out to be major contributors for Atlanta, then Wren looks like a genius. I remember the last time Atlanta dealt with Detroit. They trade veteran pitcher Doyle Alexander for a no-name John Smoltz. That turned out well. I would be willing to bet that Frank Wren isn’t done. This frees up major dollars for free agency.

By Marty

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Anyone who was surprised by this move hasn’t been paying attention. Escobar and Johnson both proved last year that they are ready and able to play the infield full time. Renteria would have walked after ‘08 anyway. So, we saved some money, which can be spent on starting pitching and/or Teixeira, and at the same time we picked up some prime talent. We also re-stocked our supply of players from Curacao. ;) Nice move!

By A-ville Ranger

October 29, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

This makes sense if these guys are good enough….simple as that is,that’s the way I see it.Is Jurigens a special,future star or just another guy you hope will pan out ? As for Hernandez didn’t we already have our future cf who’s at roughly the same stage of development ? I would like to have Escobar at second and Renteria at short next year but most everything is a trade-off and only time will tell how this one works out.

By 1eyedJack

October 29, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

To answer your questions. Yes. Yes and Yes. Maybe this kid is the next John Smoltz. Could lightning strike twice with Detroit trades? I had hoped they would wait until they saw what veteran pitchers would be on the trade block. For them to pull the strings this early these must be two very good prospects. Edgars money can now go to sign Glavine and we still have Andruws money to get a centerfielder/starting pitcher.

By psw

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

The Braves needed to look to the future. Hopefully they are a good judge of talent with both of these players. I’m for the move. Now Yunel Escobar has a chance to shine.

By John

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I like this trade, We got two very good prospects for Rent. I hated to see him go, but the Braves save some money and we have the money to spend on some pitching.

By sam

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I’ve gotta believe we could’ve gotten more pitching prospects for an all-star SS like Renteria.

I don’t know much about the OF prospect…doesn’t look like he has much “pop” so hopefully he’s a potential leadoff guy.

By GM

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

It may be an exceptional trade but only time will tell. However, it does give the Braves a highly rated young arm and a top young centerfielder plus clears salary space. Is the prelude to signing Tom Glavine or giving Tex a long term contract? At least it gives the Braves more salary flexiblity and gives them a return for Renteria who will be a free agent after the 2008 season. On the surface it looks like a good trade.

By stew

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I thought Renteria was going to Detroit, but for a bigger name like Bonderman. I agree that Yunel’s time has come. I haven’t seen Jurrjens or Hernandez play. Where does this leave Lillibridge? Do they think Hernandez is going to replace Andruw? Is Jurrjens going to be part of the rotation? I hope he throws about 98. I thought they were going to pull the trigger on Haren/Blanton. How can they not make an offer to Andruw? He’s the best player they ever had. How can they allow Andruw and Tex walk in 2 years?

By BravesFan

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I loved Edgar. Clutch player and a great person. That being said, it was a move that needed to be made. He was gone after’08 anyway.

that frees up 15 mil for Andrew, 9 mil for Renteria, 5 mil for Wickman, and I believe hampton’s contract is up right. that is another 15 mil.

That is easily 40 mil+. Let’s sign Aaron Rowand from the Phillies, get another top flight SP, and resign TEX!!!

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

The braves need to restore respect back, A-Rod will have the mets go crazy!! since it’s still NY. So listen up Braves front office: dial 1-800 Scot-Boras and get on with bussiness!! I’m Already excited, although it’s only a dream……

By shawn

October 29, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

I know it is a stretch but if you remember the Braves were the 2nd highest bidder for ARod last time around. So with his production you could afford to go with a rookie in centerfield. Maybe KJ goes to CF/LF and Escobar takes 2nd. ARod would be close to his Miami home and maybe we can bring Hanks record back to ATL in a few years.

By Zyskandar A Jaimot

October 29, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

And here comes A-ROD!!! THE BRAVES HAVE MADE ‘ROOM’ IN SALARY AND POSITION TO EASE ALEX RODRIGUEZ INTO THEIR LINE-UP! Jet the bidding-wars begin!!!

By stewart

October 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

another brilliant move by Braves management — now they’ve lost me forever - Edgar Rentaria was the only reason to see a game.

By rusty

October 29, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Man, I’m shocked at all the negativity. Someone had to go, Renteria or Escobar. Renteria is older and costs more; thus the move frees up more cash for free agency or to resign Tex. Additionally, the move helps to replenish some of the prospects that we gave up to acquire Tex. Finally, the last time Shurholz (and yes I realize Wrenn is the GM, but you cannot convince me JS did not ok his) traded a veteran to Detroit for a prpospect, it worked out pretty well for Atlanta.

By Eman

October 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

“Once again the “arm-chair” GM’s offer their expert opinion on a deal they have no clue or knowledge of. Gimme a break - and wait till spring before making conclusions”

Are you blind or do you jump to your conclusions before even reading?

“Let us know what you think.”

I believe that’s what is posted in the main subject. Maybe you could read it again (or for the first time) and verify that’s what it says but to me that’s an open invitation for giving an opinion.

By Eugene

October 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

We are quickly turning into the Kansas City Royals (SOUTH).. This is unbelieveable. I see Chipper with his 60 missed games annually is still here. But Andruw and Edgar are gone. What do they have in comman..

By Peter

October 29, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

We had 2 shortstops, and not enough pitching……….

The Braves were winning with Edgar hurt, and we need the cash to sign Teixera.

I say it was what was needed…..now if Mike Hampton can come back, and we can get a good center fielder that would be great.

I know we are short funds compared to the big time teams, but I say sign Torii Hunter !!!!

He is the same as Andru in the out field (gold Glove), he can run, hit for a better average, and has decent power as well, a better all around player !!!!

By Muggly Other

October 29, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

I knew Edgar might be a target and Detroit would be a potential partner, but geez does a pitcher who showed potential answer the rotation problem?

No way I would have traded Edgar for anything less than an effective, PROVEN 3rd starter!

And to the guy who said we didn’t have space for Edgar, if that’s so then it’s obvious why the Braves are finishing 3rd in the East two years running, if the logic of running the ball club works that way.

Any team that does not have room for a steady glove SS who hits .330 should finish last in their division! Edgar is a proven commodity that hit .330. Jurrjens is a prospect with little major league experience. For all we know he could be another Chuck James. One of those is enough.

Seems to me that Edgar was the only chip we had to deal for a proven #3. So if the Braves don’t add a bonafide 3rd starter, it’s just like last spring. You hope that Hampton is healthy and if he isn’t, then you got this “kid” who shows potential.

This kid doesn’t have time to be “brought along” slowly. He better produce big time IMMEDIATELY or Wren made a bad move in his very first deal. Had you got Cameron Maybin in the deal now that might be worth doing!

By Robert

October 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

This was a terrible idea! Now we have two prospects who are pretty good who we won’t give the time to mature and be great before we trade them. We do this all the time and this is a HORRIBLE thing to do!

By caz

October 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

I’ve read alot of negative blogs here,I understand. But guy’s its early in the process! Give the Braves and Wren a break. Lets see how it play’s out,before condeming. I liked Renteria alot,thought he meshed real well. He had a Hell of a year,but he is 32. And he has a 9 million dollar price tag. So if we want pitching and someone to take over for Andruw, we have to start somewhere. Escobar played pretty darn good,lets not forget. I believe there’s more to come.

By Karol

October 29, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

This is ridiculous. Renteria is the most consistent player on that roster. If they were going to trade him they should’ve at least gotten something better than prospects…. Stupid move by the Braves

By AC in boulder

October 29, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Brilliant trade! We got two hot prospects that are apparently on the verge of contributing next year. We got rid of huge salary at spot where we have way more than adequate replacement and we now have cash to get stud pitcher. Good day to be Brave’s fan.

By steve

October 29, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

I am saddened by the news, but in no way am I shocked. Anyone who paid the least amount of attention to the Braves this past season had to know that Edgar would be dealt after the season. Escobar is the SS of the future (and the now). Edgar was absolutely terrific in his two seasons here. Today’s game is as much about managing payroll as it is hitting, pitching, and fielding. Probably none of us commenting here know enough about the two young players we are getting in exchange for Edgar to make an intelligent comment about whether it is a good trade or not.

I wish Edgar well. Baseball needs more players like him.

By shawn

October 29, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

The rotation needs to get younger and adding Glavine doesn’t do it. Young affordable pitching is in our future.

Absolutely nothing wrong with Renteria just a trade that benefits both sides. Does it also say something that the first day after the series ends that the Braves fire the first shot…even before the Yankees could hire a manager. If nothing else I am excited that we are making moves. Time to get back to where we belong…the playoffs.

DOB talk to us dude, We wanna know what ya think.

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

People please stop crying about Renteria, we all know that he is a good player, but please be patient. Is there something cooking with A-Rod at the front office, please be patient………….

By Grace

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

STUPID!!!

By Scott

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Clearing salary for pitching, that’s all folks

By Plate Appearance

October 29, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

WREN STARTS OFF VERY, VERY BADLY

My heart initially sank when I saw that Renteria — the one player I believed the Braves couldn’t afford to trade after losing Andruw — had been traded.

But I initially thought, I’ll suspend final judgment until I see what front line pitcher we surely must have received for Renteria.

Then to see that all the Braves received was a pitching prospect and a totally unnecessary center field prospect, based on the current CF prospects in the Braves farm system — and my heart did fully then sink.

What a terrible trade! What could Wren have been thinking?

To trade the Braves most consistent clutch hitter and an all star for a pitching prospect, when the Braves needed a solid number three starter is an absolute travesty.

You’ve done a great job Frank, to already dash the hopes of many fans!

As far as this fan is concerned, Wren’s “stock” is not just starting to plummet; it’s already plummeted!

I’m now ready to trade Wren for Moore in KC!

Where’s the loyalty in sports? I’m tired of seeing fan favorites traded as commodities.

Again, what a terrible trade! Absolutely terrible!!

By woodie

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Does it really matter? Teams can’t compete with Boston and New York year in year out.

By MIKE HARTZELL

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

I think it is a smart trade. The Bravos have now dumped Andruw’s and Renteria’s salaries. Huge. They will need the cap room to try to sign Tex and probably look to bring Tommy back. They obtained to very promising younger players at positions that might need to be filled shortly. (doesn’t surprise me that Dombroski traded with new GM Frank Wren; two old friends from the Marlins organization) A very wise move on the part of the Braves. Could prove to be a very interesting off season! GO BRAVES!

By Shane

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Yes, surpriseingly I do believe this trade was a good one. Yes, Renteria was a valuable player to the Braves line up, but with the departure off Andrew Jones. Renteria was put into an invaluable spot, the good season that Yunel Escobar had. Showed that Renteria could be traded for other personal for the positions thay need. I prob see that unless a deal comes the way of the braves, Willie Harris should be in Center next year. Who I believe got stiffed this past season. Andrew Jones was not hitting anything with a. average .210, .215. This new owner of the braves, I think, will do well. The past owner did a horrible job with marketing and personal. Since Ted Turner handed over the braves, not one big star is on the Braves roster, Chipper Jones does not count. Chipper did nothing most of the year until John Smoltz’s commen, Then when the Braves did grab a good player he would stay for a year or 2 and he would be traded or unsigned, because of money reasons. The first thing the new owners did was getting Teixeria. This new ownership is looking good with this early off-season trade. Good trade, because this trade will help the bullpen in the long-run and also the centerfield position. I liked Renteria and I hate to see him go. But the good thing is the Red Sox are Champions. Go Red Sox!!

By BIG DADDY

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

A brilliant move. Atlanta had Edgar for only one more year and then his salary will likely be in the $10 million range for 2009 etc.

In Escobar they have the shortstop of the future and at a much lower cost and for a longer time. And let’s face it, Escobar has more range and a stronger arm than Edgar.

As for the youngsters, only time will tell if they are as good as hoped. The Braves obviously think they have a future. The young pitcher had a 3-1 record in 7 major league starts and looks like he may have a shot at number 4 or 5 starter. If not then he will be seasoning at Richmond until he is ready.

The young outfielder is FAST and obviously can cover a lot of ground. Is he ready for CF? Not likely, not yet anyway but who knows? Both are 20-21 years of age and have their futures ahead of them.

A good move? I think it is an excellent move. You must look ahead in this business and this is a forward looking move. Get two good prospects, lose only one year of Edgar and dump about $6 million in salary. And we lose nothing at SS. Yeah, it was a great move.

By Thad Mumau

October 29, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

I think it was all three — Escobar is ready to play every day, and both prospects could fill big holes. It is obviously better to get something for Renteria now, although his clutch bat and experience will be missed.

By Muggly Other

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Oh Great! Jurrjens has a history of shoulder problems! I remember the last guy we got in a trade that had arm problems but checked ok.

Mike Gonzo!

Hope it’s not another one of those deals. Pay the guy. Depend on the guy. Then pay Dr. Andrews and wait for 18 months!

By DHD

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

In one deal, we freed up money, moved a 32 year old SS, made room for up and coming stud, Escobar and picked up 2 outstanding young prospects. Great deal!!!!

By Big Mac

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Evidently Wren is an IDIOT…unless the Tigers were to give up Curtis Granderson, this is a typical give up way too much for too little in return!!!!!

By scott

October 29, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

great trade for the braves i like it a lot now get a vet . pitcher and we might have a great team next spring

By Ike

October 29, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Come on yall—

NO ONE CAN CALL THIS STUPID (yet)

at the middle of next year, we’ll see how escobar holds up as everyday SS, and if Jurrjens is an effective member of the rotation.

it’s stupid to have this discussion now

By Colin

October 29, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME…WREN is a genius…who cares…YUNEL AND KJ awesome duo for dp….

By Shamus Thacker

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Hope this new GM ain’t the Bizarro Shuerholz.

I feel we got slickered on this one…

By Britton

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

What the hell? That’s all I have to say.

By phil

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

I hope this is a money clearing move to go after Johan Santana from the twins. He wants out and the twins will take good young talent. The braves need to build the starting rotation up. Hudson, Santana, Smotlz and Glavine has a nice ring to it.

By BIG DADDY

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

All you dreamers can forget about A-Rod. Escobar is Atlanta’s shortstop, now and in the future. Siging A-Rod would destroy the Braves in the clubhouse and close off any chance of siging Tex.

Look for an all out effort to sign Tex to a long term contract. It will all depend on whether Tex wants to play in Atlanta for less than he could get in New York. That will be the deciding factor. He is going to make $16-18 million in Atlanta or $20+ in New York and face it, Tex is the real deal and if anyone is worth that money he is it. I see no weaknesses in his play either at first or at the plate. He is tryly the real deal. I would not trade Tex for Albert Pujols.

Boras will be pounding him to get him not to sign so he can shop him next year and for good reason. Tex will attract the second highest salary ever paid if Atlanta can’t sign him.

By ARod

October 29, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Great trade…..Renteria has market value and the Braves got something for him. Perhaps if Wren were GM two years ago they could have traded Andruw for someone instead of nothing.

By hal neely

October 29, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

great move. freeing up this money, along with the non-Andruw money will allow us to bring in Glavine, as a great 3rd starter, and other pitching.( including the one in the renteria trade)

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Stop!, Stop!, enough…Can we all get along? no need for all this…. Just sit and wait for the A-rod announcement!!

By shawn

October 29, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

By the way folks I like Edgar but give me a break he isn’t as great as you guys think. The Marlins, Cardinals, and Red Sox all let him go and none of them got what we did for him and he is older now. 124 games, 12 hr, 50 rbis? Love the guy but if you think we were going to get Bonderman or Granderson for him you must be crazy. And the black thing come on give me a break?

By JB

October 29, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

I’ll call this stupid!!

PROSPECTS?????????????

Wren is padding himself up already for excuses to fail…waiting for his “prospects to develop” line we hear every year.

Here’s a thought: let’s try to WIN the World Series. Heck, let’s try to win THIS YEAR! I’m sick of being “pretty good” every year…how about a shot at being “great” for once?

By bill

October 29, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

They had to trade Renteria, his salary and Escobar waiting to take his job plus he was probably the best trading piece the Braves have. Who else can they trade Chuck James and Matt Diaz ? Baseball America give both prospects high ratings. If the Braves can get a quality starter and a center fielder they should be OK.

By phil

October 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Please enough of AROD. He is a team cancer. It is all about him. I wont be surprised if his next team wont have to change their name to the ARODS. Now batting for the San Francisco ARODS is AROD. Enough of this guy. He is a joke as far as helping a team win a world series. Heck with TBS not showing the Braves anymore and livivng the the northwest the only time i’ll see the braves next year is when the local channel shows the mariners from there.

By Joe

October 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Clearly the first move in a three or four step process to bring in more pitching, sign Teixera, and fill the gap in CF. Give it time. Wren is no dummy.

By steve

October 29, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

This trade is about freeing up money to go after a pitcher and outfielder as that is what we need; Edgar was great but Escobar has superstar written all over him so you cannot keep them both as we have other needs;I am waiting to see 10 days from now who we go after in the free agent market before I say that this deal was good or bad as i trust our GM.

By Jeff

October 29, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Hey all,

DETROITER HERE.

While it seems the sentimenent is not favorable, rest assured, Jair Jurrjens is going to be a good big league pitcher.

I’m actually sad to see him go. E. Renteria had problems in the AL before…whose to say it doesn’t happen again. I think it’s a good move for both teams; the Braves get a good/potential STUD starting pitcher who is young. The Tigers get one more piece to try and run at the WS again next year.

I see it as a W/W, but again, I hate to see Jair go. He’ll fit in well with the veterans and earn a rotation spot next year. Watch and see…

Best of luck next year. I dig the Braves!

By A-ville Ranger

October 29, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Ike I agree with you for the most part except we won’t necessarily know how good this trade is next year or even in 09.These guys could be years away from reaching their potential (if they ever do).I don’t know if there are good stats on the number of prospects who reach their predicted level of success but I bet it’s below 50%.This is a bit of a crap shoot, with the qualifier of judgement….we’ll see….some day.

By Mark

October 29, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

I can’t endorse this trade. While Escobar is the SS of the future, Renteria could fill the spot with All Star credentials for at least a couple more years, while Escobar could play 2B with a better bat and glove (especially glove) than Kelly Johnson.

Maybe the Braves feared that Renteria’s late season injuries were a harbinger of the future. With the salary implications, the trade could make sense.

You gotta laugh at those who think this is related to skin color. Hey, weren’t you listening to Gary Sheffield?? Black doesn’t matter if you’re Hispanic.

By hal neely

October 29, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

great move. freeing up this money, along with the non-Andruw money will allow us to bring in Glavine, as a great 3rd starter, and other pitching.( including the one in the renteria trade)

By brent a.

October 29, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised at anyone who was surprised that the Braves traded Edgar Renteria.

Where have you been?

By Jack

October 29, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

The Braves have a lot of deadwood that should be traded——sold——or cut. Edgar was not one of them. They have lost their FREAKING MIND.

By JohnGTFan

October 29, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

So many critical people without knowing the facts. My goodness. Obviously this is only the beginning. We all knew (those who didn’t have blinders on) that Edgar would get traded. The pitcher prospect people are whining about..have you seen his stats for this past season…last 3 games, 3-0 with a sub 1 ERA. And the CF has what ATL has not had in years..someone with SPEED. Heck yes I’ll miss Edgar, but this is about bringing playoff baseball back to ATL. I think this is a good start, especially if Jurrjens gets one of the starting spots. Say for example, Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Jurrjens, and probably James. I’ll take that 5 man rotation over anyone’s next year. We’re going to fill CF with a more than adequate CF until one of the prospects we have is ready, probably next year or year after.

By caz

October 29, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Just me,but i’m not to crazy about bringin back Glavine. You can’t tell me there is’nt any other lefty we could get for less money and younger! Glavine was good (Hall of Famer), but his best day’s are behind him. If we’re going to look to the future,lets don’t bring back the past. Especially someone who left us before for more cash!! Sounds petty but i’m not a Glavine fan!!!!

By Mike

October 29, 2007 6:40