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By Dianna

October 29, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

We had enough trouble learning to pronounce Renteria. How in the __ are we supposed to pronounce Jair Jurrjens?

By Alan

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Best position player on the team all last season. Can’t believe that all we get is a couple of minor-league prospects for him. Hopefully Escobar won’t have a sophomore slump next season…

By Casey

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

I think it is a wise decision. Clear up some cap space and give Yunel time to shine a short.

By Drew Gilchrease

October 29, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

At least the BRaves are consistent when it comes to the annual “Clearing House” ideology. First Andruw, not Renteria. This move totally caught me by surprise because of Renteria’s stellar play in his two seasons here. I can only assume the “powers that be” know what they’re doing yet again! I trust their decision, yet I don’t understand it.

By josh kunis

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

go mets!

By Rob

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

It was all of those things. I hate to see Renteria go (and I hope his trip to the AL goes better than last time)but the Braves killed several birds with one stone. It was a bold but necessary move for the Braves’ new GM. Goodbye, Edgar! We will miss you!

By atlpaddy

October 29, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Why didn’t Wren go for a proven pitcher ? It seems like we could have gotten more for Rent. Oh well, I hope he has better success this time in the junior circuit.

By CW

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Shame that it comes down to this because this guy was a consumate pro both in the field and at the plate. We probably all saw this coming because 1) Escobar had such a great year, 2) we need the contract room in order to fill more pressing needs, of which there are many. The starting rotation needs at least one more proven winner and innings eater and really needs two. Despite all our early season depth in the bullpen, it all came unravelled pretty quickly with a few injuries and overuse (see starting rotation). Although we’d all like to see JS go out and replace Andruw with another big name, pitching seems like the far bigger priority.

By BobIs

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

OK, so Edgar and his .332 batting average was the problem last year?

Frank Wren is a double agent. You heard it here first.

By josh kunis

October 29, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

go mets!!!

By Gator

October 29, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Hopefully some of the comments are right and these prospects are tools for a higher profile trade. Probably not though. Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Jurrjens, Hampton/Reyes/James looks good.

By mike

October 29, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Im not sure I like it. Edgar is a great player, still an elite shortstop in my opinion, a class act, leader in the clubhouse, and a clutch hitter/defender. I think that at the very least the braves could have acquired someone who is a solid number 3 starter right now in addition to a good prospect. I felt they pulled the trigger too quickly. I do hope that Edgar does great in Detroit and gets back to the postseason like he deserves. Im not sure that this trade helps the Braves for the 08 season

By joe from central ca

October 29, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

I thought we were going to look at trading him for a solid starter not a minor league guy who only had 7 starts THIS YEAR! This looks like a major youth movement now. How are we going to have any shot at keeping a vet like Tex now that the A Braves have become the R Braves, much less the money it would take. Not sure about this one, this smacks of “The Future” not “The Next Year”.

By Rev. Zoldars

October 29, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

I guess it makes sense for the future - but only if both of these guys pan out. So my question now is, what super clutch, patient, great guy, with tremendous playing abilities will fill edgars role? Even if Yunel takes edgars spot, i think we lose power, and since yunel was often in the lineup with edgar, that is not an even swap.

By Michael H

October 29, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

We’ll see how the prospects turn out, but I would have rather seen a proven starting pitcher in return. Petty bold move by our new GM.

By Realistic Ricky

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Partly to clear the way for Escobar to start, and partly to clear some money off the books for the free agent market (hopefully). I think it is a real “stretch” to call trading for two minor leaguers a move to add depth, when they have not proven they can play in the major leagues. Go Braves!!!

By Morrison

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Escobar will now be the everyday shortstop, a downgrade from Renteria if you ask me. Sportscrack.com is reporting that the Braves could look into dealing the two prospects they just acquired from the Tigers to the Orioles for starter Erik Bedard.

Bedard is a stud and his contract isn’t up till after the 2009 season. Put him in the rotation with Smoltz and Hudson and you are looking at the best staff in the National League.

By jdg2

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

The movement to address youth and our pitching void are obvious. With Mattingly not getting the Yankees skipper job, shouldn’t we bring him in to ATL to take over for Bobby at the end of next year? A year on the bench with Bobby will have him and the Braves on fire for 2009!

By Coach (Lets Go Braves In 2008)

October 29, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

I’m not surprised in the least. Yunel Escobar and the need for another starting pitcher made this a foregone conclusion.

By rob

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Bad move. Could we not have at least gotten a decent, established starter for him? Not a great start for Frank Wren. I don’t mind trading Renteria but two prospects? Wow.

By Mike

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

This trade is really dumb trading away a .330 hitter and gold glove shortstop for two inexperienced minor leaguers. However, it did clear the way for Escobar and cleared some money. Whether Escobar will ever become what Renteria was, or whether that money will be spent is another question.

By Jay Black

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

Is it a coincidence that this comes just a day after the A-Rod announcement? Could we be clearing cap space to go after him. I don’t think Escobar can produce like Renteria could. But we all know who can, and he doesn’t want to be in pinstripes anymore. Just a thought.

By Kevin J. O'Leary

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

I understand why this trade was pulled off, however, knowing that the biggest off-season issue is pitching, how do two minor leaguers address that need? Unless I missed something both of these guys are one to two seasons away.

By Diogenes

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

I realize it was a necessary move (and assume it was dollars-driven), but I sure hate to see him go. What a class act, and a reliably good player, too. I wish him the best of luck.

By MikeJones

October 29, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

We’ve cleared around 24 mil now.. Move Yunel to 2nd and sign A-rod??

By BravesinTN

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

I hate it. Hate it. Let’s take the team’s most consistent, high-average hitter and dump him for prospects! I have no clue who’s these 2 prospects are, but SURELY the Braves could have received more for Edgar. I think Yunel would’ve done just fine platooning/pinch-hitting for another year…

By John

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Edgar was a great player, and I hope many will agree. I think we got some great building blocks for the future. Jurrjens may even be ready to go this year. I just hope it clears enough room for maybe Mike Cameron and some more starting pitching.

By brooksdawgs

October 29, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

For Renteria I think we should have at least got a proven player. Maybe one of these prosects will turn out but that is a big chance for the man who just finished near the top of the league in batting

By BirdMahn

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Is this a freaking joke??? A .300-hitting allstar shortshop for a couple of prospects?

By andy

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Probably the “right” move—-I HATE IT.

By Brob311

October 29, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Guy finishes in the top BA category, has hit clutch year in and year out since with the braves, and an excellent glove. He is more consistent than UGA beating Tech and we let him go. If we keep Tex and Yunel develops well it could work. We’ll see, I liked Edgar.

By Burdell's Brother

October 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

The moves like this have seemed to pan out in the past. I think this is probably a piece of a bigger plan set in place. Ironically, Detroit was supposed to be in play for AROD, I guess they do not need a SS any more,.

By raymond

October 29, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

It’s not like we cleared up all that much money. The Braves only owed 6 million of Edgar’s salary next year. The reality is, that all the Braves will do with that money is sign Mike Cameron for two years but we will have a drop off at short, but in centerfield as well. we have lost an important part of the offense in Andruw and Edgar and we still don’t and won’t have added another starting pitcher ( DON’T SIGN GLAVINE).

By Illegal Hispanico

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Who cares? Baseball is an over-rated “hobby” sport like bowling. Renteria has been over-paid since coming to Atlanta; wait a minute!, ALL baseball players are over-paid!

By ck

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Bedard is available from Baltimore for some able young bodies ready for the bigs…. maybe we are not done dealing yet.

By Mike

October 29, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Move makes no sence, should have gotten a front line starter. But time will tell with this move. Was this just a bad move by Wren? Or is this move simply to clear salary space?

By Warren

October 29, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

The dumb trades just keep a coming, this beats them all. Edgar was the most consistent hitter for the Braves in the last several years. When you play good your reward is you get traded. Here we come to last place quickly.

By OLD COOT

October 29, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

The trade will be good if the money saved allows us to spend on a good starting pitcher or center fielder. If not, this sucks.

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

October 29, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Looks good on paper. Maybe give the young CF a shot in Spring at the job and the Pitcher a shot at the 4th spot. If it works not bad for a 32 year old shortstop. Renteria was a great Pro while here and I bet will be missed in the clubhouse, but the Braves seem to be rebuilding smartly.

Also what does Detroit do with Renteria? SS is already filled with Carlos Guillen, 3B Brandon Inge and 2B with Palanco? 1B? DH Sheffield?

Interesting for them to make the move.

By Brian

October 29, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

I’m beginning to believe that all of Atlanta’s sport’s teams are run by people who are honestly mentally challenged.

By Brian Hill

October 29, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Not sure why people can’t recognize the obvious. It is never about the present or the future. It is always about both. Renteria wasn’t traded because we didn’t want him. He plays a position that we had depth at. It would have been nice to land a frontline starter but the premium for that is a lot higher than just Edgar right now. We add a pitcher to plug in in 2009 after Smoltz and Glavine walk and our centerfielder of the future. Edgar is a top notch player and even better person. It is a business!!! Good luck to Edgar and the Braves.

By snellvillejacket

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

If memory serves me right the last pitching [prospect to come from the tigers worked out fairly well. If this ones does half as well there are close to 100 wins.

By bwash21

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Before we overreact, give this some time to play out. There has to be SOME REASON that we needed to clear 10M from the books on October 29th. I don’t like it initially, but there has to be something else going on that we don’t know about. If it’s all to clear the books, I’m going to be sick to my stomach that we didn’t get someone that can help us now for an All-star SS.

By Dave

October 29, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

It makes sense to clear up more room. Edgar was a stand-up guy and had a great two years here. He will be missed but Escobar should be able to fill in quite nicely. My only question is who they got for him. It looks like they both have great potential, but that’s been said about a ton of players. It would have been nice to have someone in return that could have an immediate impact instead of potential down the road. I’m never too thrilled about what someone will do a year or two from now. You need to win today, not three years from now. When you start constantly looking to the future, that day usually never comes.

Josh Kunis - Nice Mets comment. They have a lot of places to “Go” after the biggest collapse in the history of the game. EVER. They should be on the TV show “The Biggest Loser”, they’d do well!

By C Gillespie

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Here we go again. No doubt Detroit will be the next to win the Series after they make trades to get all the ex Brave players. Just look how many were on the teams in the playoffs and even the World Series.
Where were the Braves themselves? At home trying to figure out who else they can trade.

By Walker

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Hey, let’s go after A Rod! HA!

By Capt. Caveman

October 29, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Once again the “arm-chair” GM’s offer their expert opinion on a deal they have no clue or knowledge of. Gimme a break - and wait till spring before making conclusions.

By Jay Black

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Maybe making room for Torii Hunter?

By Keith

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Can you say “Welcome Home”, Tom Glavine?

By kreedham

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

I hate seeing Edgar go but I do think Escobar is up to the task.

You just can’t rate the trade now cause there will be more moves coming. Glavine probably coming, another trade or two, maybe a free agent or two. Should be fun and I expect, on paper, we’ll be the team to beat in the EAst when all is said and done!

By robert

October 29, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

If you want to clear up some cap get rid of Chipper Jones. We need key starting pitchers not more Minor league guys. Didn’t learn anything last year. We don’t have strong enough pitchers.

Who has the strongest arm in the Outfield. Frenchie does move him over. And spend the rest of the money on pitchers.

Red Sox won with great pitching.

By Josh

October 29, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

In September there was talk about Renteria being after the season. Renteria being traded should not be a surprise, especially with the season Escobar had. The Braves got a bona fide stud in Jurrjens. This kid can deal. He will be in the starting rotation, guaranteed. I do not know much a bout Gorkys Hernandez but I hear he is highly touted. It is sad to see Renteria go but this trade is worth it.

By Sophia

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Boo. Renteria’s a great player, class act, and a quiet leader in the clubhouse. I can understand why the Braves did it with Escobar in the loop but I hate that it had to be Renteria that was traded. Good luck in Detroit Rent! We’ll miss you.

By Ray

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

The last young “prospect” we got from Detroit went by the name of Smoltz. Hope this works out as well.

By JB

October 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Hold up. Did someone say the Braves had lost a major part of the offense when they let Andruw go?

Are you kidding me? He hit, what, .221 this year? You’d think he would WANT to be disciplined enough to take the ball to right field occasionally, but that would be asking too much of Andruw. Good riddance Dawg.

By lynn

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

I think it sucks! right along with the release of Andrew

By Lowcountry Bulldawg

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Sorry apparently

By sb

October 29, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

With the rumors going around that the Braves are trying to get A-Rod, this will add serious fuel to that fire.

Slim chance that would happen, but can you imagine Chipper, A-Rod, Texeira, and Francouer in the same lineup?

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Bring on ARod, and yes he will gladly take back his old position..SS, trade rookies for more pitching and with Texeira batting cleanup Atlanta should be back in command!

By Tim

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

I had little doubt that he would be traded, but I felt certain we would hold out for starting pitching. That was about the biggest card we had to deal. No worries about Escobar at short.. he’ll be great, but now, how do we get starting pitching?

By kreedham

October 29, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

As far as getting two “prospects” just remember we gave up a few to get Tex. Need a few back to fill up the pipeline. If we get Glavine I suspect he’ll just play one more year and Smoltz probably just two. Some moves are made for today and some for the future.

Last time we traded a vet to the Tigers for a young guy(s) we did alright! That young guy is still a Brave.

By The Kid

October 29, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

By tommy

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

I am not sure about this move unless there is a deal for a pitcher already in the works because Detroit has couple I would have liked to have gotten for Renteria.

By kcr211

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

The folks in Detroit are none too pleased about this trade either. They gave up “two of their top four prospects for a player on the wrong side of 30.” Look here.

I’m willing to endorse this trade. I’m not sure that the people saying we could have waited and gotten more are correct, since it sounds like these are top prospects.

By steven

October 29, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Good move—- lets hope it works as well as the last time we got a rookie pitcher from detroit. Anyone remember complaing about alexander for smoltz!

By EJRC11

October 29, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Do some research we got two terrific prospects.

We had no space for Rent anyway!!!

By RW

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

“How cum” I never recognize the names or ability of those we get in return for a good player?

By 1957 Braves Fan

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

I seem to recall everyone was complaining when we traded some of our top prospects for Tex. The Tigers wanted Edgar and the Braves wanted these two top prospects for him.

By John

October 29, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

It’s nice to see we got someone with speed who can hopefully be a Jose Reyes type sense he was voted Most Exciting Player and we got another young pitcher. Maybe Jurrjens can do better than all the other young pitchers we’ve seen with the Braves lately.

By Paul W

October 29, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

I don’t like it but I understand the necessity- this is a part of the economics of baseball. What we got back was irrelevant; this was clearling money for a centerfoelder, some starting pitching, and hopefully to keep Texiera.

By Phil

October 29, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Right idea, bad execution. We should have gotten at least a formidable starter for him. So much for the Braves’ “priorities”…

By Matthew

October 29, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Class guy, fantastic work ethic, great talent, hustler. Every one of these describes Edgar Renteria. Edgar has it all, and Frank W is a stupid idiot for making this deal. I like Yunel, I love Edgar. I’ll be rooting for him in Detroit and I truly hope he puts up MVP #’s next season.

By atlbraves

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

I do not like this trade…unless there are other moves that will come from this! We did not get the immediate help that we need. Great prospects…but not immediate help!

By David

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

I am a little surprised at what they got in return. These had better be two very special prospects or Frank Wren’s first deal as GM is a disaster. If they both turn out to be major contributors for Atlanta, then Wren looks like a genius. I remember the last time Atlanta dealt with Detroit. They trade veteran pitcher Doyle Alexander for a no-name John Smoltz. That turned out well. I would be willing to bet that Frank Wren isn’t done. This frees up major dollars for free agency.

By Marty

October 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Anyone who was surprised by this move hasn’t been paying attention. Escobar and Johnson both proved last year that they are ready and able to play the infield full time. Renteria would have walked after ‘08 anyway. So, we saved some money, which can be spent on starting pitching and/or Teixeira, and at the same time we picked up some prime talent. We also re-stocked our supply of players from Curacao. ;) Nice move!

By A-ville Ranger

October 29, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

This makes sense if these guys are good enough….simple as that is,that’s the way I see it.Is Jurigens a special,future star or just another guy you hope will pan out ? As for Hernandez didn’t we already have our future cf who’s at roughly the same stage of development ? I would like to have Escobar at second and Renteria at short next year but most everything is a trade-off and only time will tell how this one works out.

By 1eyedJack

October 29, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

To answer your questions. Yes. Yes and Yes. Maybe this kid is the next John Smoltz. Could lightning strike twice with Detroit trades? I had hoped they would wait until they saw what veteran pitchers would be on the trade block. For them to pull the strings this early these must be two very good prospects. Edgars money can now go to sign Glavine and we still have Andruws money to get a centerfielder/starting pitcher.

By psw

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

The Braves needed to look to the future. Hopefully they are a good judge of talent with both of these players. I’m for the move. Now Yunel Escobar has a chance to shine.

By John

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I like this trade, We got two very good prospects for Rent. I hated to see him go, but the Braves save some money and we have the money to spend on some pitching.

By sam

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I’ve gotta believe we could’ve gotten more pitching prospects for an all-star SS like Renteria.

I don’t know much about the OF prospect…doesn’t look like he has much “pop” so hopefully he’s a potential leadoff guy.

By GM

October 29, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

It may be an exceptional trade but only time will tell. However, it does give the Braves a highly rated young arm and a top young centerfielder plus clears salary space. Is the prelude to signing Tom Glavine or giving Tex a long term contract? At least it gives the Braves more salary flexiblity and gives them a return for Renteria who will be a free agent after the 2008 season. On the surface it looks like a good trade.

By stew

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I thought Renteria was going to Detroit, but for a bigger name like Bonderman. I agree that Yunel’s time has come. I haven’t seen Jurrjens or Hernandez play. Where does this leave Lillibridge? Do they think Hernandez is going to replace Andruw? Is Jurrjens going to be part of the rotation? I hope he throws about 98. I thought they were going to pull the trigger on Haren/Blanton. How can they not make an offer to Andruw? He’s the best player they ever had. How can they allow Andruw and Tex walk in 2 years?

By BravesFan

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

I loved Edgar. Clutch player and a great person. That being said, it was a move that needed to be made. He was gone after’08 anyway.

that frees up 15 mil for Andrew, 9 mil for Renteria, 5 mil for Wickman, and I believe hampton’s contract is up right. that is another 15 mil.

That is easily 40 mil+. Let’s sign Aaron Rowand from the Phillies, get another top flight SP, and resign TEX!!!

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

The braves need to restore respect back, A-Rod will have the mets go crazy!! since it’s still NY. So listen up Braves front office: dial 1-800 Scot-Boras and get on with bussiness!! I’m Already excited, although it’s only a dream……

By shawn

October 29, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

I know it is a stretch but if you remember the Braves were the 2nd highest bidder for ARod last time around. So with his production you could afford to go with a rookie in centerfield. Maybe KJ goes to CF/LF and Escobar takes 2nd. ARod would be close to his Miami home and maybe we can bring Hanks record back to ATL in a few years.

By Zyskandar A Jaimot

October 29, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

And here comes A-ROD!!! THE BRAVES HAVE MADE ‘ROOM’ IN SALARY AND POSITION TO EASE ALEX RODRIGUEZ INTO THEIR LINE-UP! Jet the bidding-wars begin!!!

By stewart

October 29, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

another brilliant move by Braves management — now they’ve lost me forever - Edgar Rentaria was the only reason to see a game.

By rusty

October 29, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Man, I’m shocked at all the negativity. Someone had to go, Renteria or Escobar. Renteria is older and costs more; thus the move frees up more cash for free agency or to resign Tex. Additionally, the move helps to replenish some of the prospects that we gave up to acquire Tex. Finally, the last time Shurholz (and yes I realize Wrenn is the GM, but you cannot convince me JS did not ok his) traded a veteran to Detroit for a prpospect, it worked out pretty well for Atlanta.

By Eman

October 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

“Once again the “arm-chair” GM’s offer their expert opinion on a deal they have no clue or knowledge of. Gimme a break - and wait till spring before making conclusions”

Are you blind or do you jump to your conclusions before even reading?

“Let us know what you think.”

I believe that’s what is posted in the main subject. Maybe you could read it again (or for the first time) and verify that’s what it says but to me that’s an open invitation for giving an opinion.

By Eugene

October 29, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

We are quickly turning into the Kansas City Royals (SOUTH).. This is unbelieveable. I see Chipper with his 60 missed games annually is still here. But Andruw and Edgar are gone. What do they have in comman..

By Peter

October 29, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

We had 2 shortstops, and not enough pitching……….

The Braves were winning with Edgar hurt, and we need the cash to sign Teixera.

I say it was what was needed…..now if Mike Hampton can come back, and we can get a good center fielder that would be great.

I know we are short funds compared to the big time teams, but I say sign Torii Hunter !!!!

He is the same as Andru in the out field (gold Glove), he can run, hit for a better average, and has decent power as well, a better all around player !!!!

By Muggly Other

October 29, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

I knew Edgar might be a target and Detroit would be a potential partner, but geez does a pitcher who showed potential answer the rotation problem?

No way I would have traded Edgar for anything less than an effective, PROVEN 3rd starter!

And to the guy who said we didn’t have space for Edgar, if that’s so then it’s obvious why the Braves are finishing 3rd in the East two years running, if the logic of running the ball club works that way.

Any team that does not have room for a steady glove SS who hits .330 should finish last in their division! Edgar is a proven commodity that hit .330. Jurrjens is a prospect with little major league experience. For all we know he could be another Chuck James. One of those is enough.

Seems to me that Edgar was the only chip we had to deal for a proven #3. So if the Braves don’t add a bonafide 3rd starter, it’s just like last spring. You hope that Hampton is healthy and if he isn’t, then you got this “kid” who shows potential.

This kid doesn’t have time to be “brought along” slowly. He better produce big time IMMEDIATELY or Wren made a bad move in his very first deal. Had you got Cameron Maybin in the deal now that might be worth doing!

By Robert

October 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

This was a terrible idea! Now we have two prospects who are pretty good who we won’t give the time to mature and be great before we trade them. We do this all the time and this is a HORRIBLE thing to do!

By caz

October 29, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

I’ve read alot of negative blogs here,I understand. But guy’s its early in the process! Give the Braves and Wren a break. Lets see how it play’s out,before condeming. I liked Renteria alot,thought he meshed real well. He had a Hell of a year,but he is 32. And he has a 9 million dollar price tag. So if we want pitching and someone to take over for Andruw, we have to start somewhere. Escobar played pretty darn good,lets not forget. I believe there’s more to come.

By Karol

October 29, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

This is ridiculous. Renteria is the most consistent player on that roster. If they were going to trade him they should’ve at least gotten something better than prospects…. Stupid move by the Braves

By AC in boulder

October 29, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Brilliant trade! We got two hot prospects that are apparently on the verge of contributing next year. We got rid of huge salary at spot where we have way more than adequate replacement and we now have cash to get stud pitcher. Good day to be Brave’s fan.

By steve

October 29, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

I am saddened by the news, but in no way am I shocked. Anyone who paid the least amount of attention to the Braves this past season had to know that Edgar would be dealt after the season. Escobar is the SS of the future (and the now). Edgar was absolutely terrific in his two seasons here. Today’s game is as much about managing payroll as it is hitting, pitching, and fielding. Probably none of us commenting here know enough about the two young players we are getting in exchange for Edgar to make an intelligent comment about whether it is a good trade or not.

I wish Edgar well. Baseball needs more players like him.

By shawn

October 29, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

The rotation needs to get younger and adding Glavine doesn’t do it. Young affordable pitching is in our future.

Absolutely nothing wrong with Renteria just a trade that benefits both sides. Does it also say something that the first day after the series ends that the Braves fire the first shot…even before the Yankees could hire a manager. If nothing else I am excited that we are making moves. Time to get back to where we belong…the playoffs.

DOB talk to us dude, We wanna know what ya think.

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

People please stop crying about Renteria, we all know that he is a good player, but please be patient. Is there something cooking with A-Rod at the front office, please be patient………….

By Grace

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

STUPID!!!

By Scott

October 29, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Clearing salary for pitching, that’s all folks

By Plate Appearance

October 29, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

WREN STARTS OFF VERY, VERY BADLY

My heart initially sank when I saw that Renteria — the one player I believed the Braves couldn’t afford to trade after losing Andruw — had been traded.

But I initially thought, I’ll suspend final judgment until I see what front line pitcher we surely must have received for Renteria.

Then to see that all the Braves received was a pitching prospect and a totally unnecessary center field prospect, based on the current CF prospects in the Braves farm system — and my heart did fully then sink.

What a terrible trade! What could Wren have been thinking?

To trade the Braves most consistent clutch hitter and an all star for a pitching prospect, when the Braves needed a solid number three starter is an absolute travesty.

You’ve done a great job Frank, to already dash the hopes of many fans!

As far as this fan is concerned, Wren’s “stock” is not just starting to plummet; it’s already plummeted!

I’m now ready to trade Wren for Moore in KC!

Where’s the loyalty in sports? I’m tired of seeing fan favorites traded as commodities.

Again, what a terrible trade! Absolutely terrible!!

By woodie

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Does it really matter? Teams can’t compete with Boston and New York year in year out.

By MIKE HARTZELL

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

I think it is a smart trade. The Bravos have now dumped Andruw’s and Renteria’s salaries. Huge. They will need the cap room to try to sign Tex and probably look to bring Tommy back. They obtained to very promising younger players at positions that might need to be filled shortly. (doesn’t surprise me that Dombroski traded with new GM Frank Wren; two old friends from the Marlins organization) A very wise move on the part of the Braves. Could prove to be a very interesting off season! GO BRAVES!

By Shane

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Yes, surpriseingly I do believe this trade was a good one. Yes, Renteria was a valuable player to the Braves line up, but with the departure off Andrew Jones. Renteria was put into an invaluable spot, the good season that Yunel Escobar had. Showed that Renteria could be traded for other personal for the positions thay need. I prob see that unless a deal comes the way of the braves, Willie Harris should be in Center next year. Who I believe got stiffed this past season. Andrew Jones was not hitting anything with a. average .210, .215. This new owner of the braves, I think, will do well. The past owner did a horrible job with marketing and personal. Since Ted Turner handed over the braves, not one big star is on the Braves roster, Chipper Jones does not count. Chipper did nothing most of the year until John Smoltz’s commen, Then when the Braves did grab a good player he would stay for a year or 2 and he would be traded or unsigned, because of money reasons. The first thing the new owners did was getting Teixeria. This new ownership is looking good with this early off-season trade. Good trade, because this trade will help the bullpen in the long-run and also the centerfield position. I liked Renteria and I hate to see him go. But the good thing is the Red Sox are Champions. Go Red Sox!!

By BIG DADDY

October 29, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

A brilliant move. Atlanta had Edgar for only one more year and then his salary will likely be in the $10 million range for 2009 etc.

In Escobar they have the shortstop of the future and at a much lower cost and for a longer time. And let’s face it, Escobar has more range and a stronger arm than Edgar.

As for the youngsters, only time will tell if they are as good as hoped. The Braves obviously think they have a future. The young pitcher had a 3-1 record in 7 major league starts and looks like he may have a shot at number 4 or 5 starter. If not then he will be seasoning at Richmond until he is ready.

The young outfielder is FAST and obviously can cover a lot of ground. Is he ready for CF? Not likely, not yet anyway but who knows? Both are 20-21 years of age and have their futures ahead of them.

A good move? I think it is an excellent move. You must look ahead in this business and this is a forward looking move. Get two good prospects, lose only one year of Edgar and dump about $6 million in salary. And we lose nothing at SS. Yeah, it was a great move.

By Thad Mumau

October 29, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

I think it was all three — Escobar is ready to play every day, and both prospects could fill big holes. It is obviously better to get something for Renteria now, although his clutch bat and experience will be missed.

By Muggly Other

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Oh Great! Jurrjens has a history of shoulder problems! I remember the last guy we got in a trade that had arm problems but checked ok.

Mike Gonzo!

Hope it’s not another one of those deals. Pay the guy. Depend on the guy. Then pay Dr. Andrews and wait for 18 months!

By DHD

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

In one deal, we freed up money, moved a 32 year old SS, made room for up and coming stud, Escobar and picked up 2 outstanding young prospects. Great deal!!!!

By Big Mac

October 29, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Evidently Wren is an IDIOT…unless the Tigers were to give up Curtis Granderson, this is a typical give up way too much for too little in return!!!!!

By scott

October 29, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

great trade for the braves i like it a lot now get a vet . pitcher and we might have a great team next spring

By Ike

October 29, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Come on yall—

NO ONE CAN CALL THIS STUPID (yet)

at the middle of next year, we’ll see how escobar holds up as everyday SS, and if Jurrjens is an effective member of the rotation.

it’s stupid to have this discussion now

By Colin

October 29, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME…WREN is a genius…who cares…YUNEL AND KJ awesome duo for dp….

By Shamus Thacker

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Hope this new GM ain’t the Bizarro Shuerholz.

I feel we got slickered on this one…

By Britton

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

What the hell? That’s all I have to say.

By phil

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

I hope this is a money clearing move to go after Johan Santana from the twins. He wants out and the twins will take good young talent. The braves need to build the starting rotation up. Hudson, Santana, Smotlz and Glavine has a nice ring to it.

By BIG DADDY

October 29, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

All you dreamers can forget about A-Rod. Escobar is Atlanta’s shortstop, now and in the future. Siging A-Rod would destroy the Braves in the clubhouse and close off any chance of siging Tex.

Look for an all out effort to sign Tex to a long term contract. It will all depend on whether Tex wants to play in Atlanta for less than he could get in New York. That will be the deciding factor. He is going to make $16-18 million in Atlanta or $20+ in New York and face it, Tex is the real deal and if anyone is worth that money he is it. I see no weaknesses in his play either at first or at the plate. He is tryly the real deal. I would not trade Tex for Albert Pujols.

Boras will be pounding him to get him not to sign so he can shop him next year and for good reason. Tex will attract the second highest salary ever paid if Atlanta can’t sign him.

By ARod

October 29, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Great trade…..Renteria has market value and the Braves got something for him. Perhaps if Wren were GM two years ago they could have traded Andruw for someone instead of nothing.

By hal neely

October 29, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

great move. freeing up this money, along with the non-Andruw money will allow us to bring in Glavine, as a great 3rd starter, and other pitching.( including the one in the renteria trade)

By Eddie Ace

October 29, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Stop!, Stop!, enough…Can we all get along? no need for all this…. Just sit and wait for the A-rod announcement!!

By shawn

October 29, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

By the way folks I like Edgar but give me a break he isn’t as great as you guys think. The Marlins, Cardinals, and Red Sox all let him go and none of them got what we did for him and he is older now. 124 games, 12 hr, 50 rbis? Love the guy but if you think we were going to get Bonderman or Granderson for him you must be crazy. And the black thing come on give me a break?

By JB

October 29, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

I’ll call this stupid!!

PROSPECTS?????????????

Wren is padding himself up already for excuses to fail…waiting for his “prospects to develop” line we hear every year.

Here’s a thought: let’s try to WIN the World Series. Heck, let’s try to win THIS YEAR! I’m sick of being “pretty good” every year…how about a shot at being “great” for once?

By bill

October 29, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

They had to trade Renteria, his salary and Escobar waiting to take his job plus he was probably the best trading piece the Braves have. Who else can they trade Chuck James and Matt Diaz ? Baseball America give both prospects high ratings. If the Braves can get a quality starter and a center fielder they should be OK.

By phil

October 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Please enough of AROD. He is a team cancer. It is all about him. I wont be surprised if his next team wont have to change their name to the ARODS. Now batting for the San Francisco ARODS is AROD. Enough of this guy. He is a joke as far as helping a team win a world series. Heck with TBS not showing the Braves anymore and livivng the the northwest the only time i’ll see the braves next year is when the local channel shows the mariners from there.

By Joe

October 29, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Clearly the first move in a three or four step process to bring in more pitching, sign Teixera, and fill the gap in CF. Give it time. Wren is no dummy.

By steve

October 29, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

This trade is about freeing up money to go after a pitcher and outfielder as that is what we need; Edgar was great but Escobar has superstar written all over him so you cannot keep them both as we have other needs;I am waiting to see 10 days from now who we go after in the free agent market before I say that this deal was good or bad as i trust our GM.

By Jeff

October 29, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Hey all,

DETROITER HERE.

While it seems the sentimenent is not favorable, rest assured, Jair Jurrjens is going to be a good big league pitcher.

I’m actually sad to see him go. E. Renteria had problems in the AL before…whose to say it doesn’t happen again. I think it’s a good move for both teams; the Braves get a good/potential STUD starting pitcher who is young. The Tigers get one more piece to try and run at the WS again next year.

I see it as a W/W, but again, I hate to see Jair go. He’ll fit in well with the veterans and earn a rotation spot next year. Watch and see…

Best of luck next year. I dig the Braves!

By A-ville Ranger

October 29, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Ike I agree with you for the most part except we won’t necessarily know how good this trade is next year or even in 09.These guys could be years away from reaching their potential (if they ever do).I don’t know if there are good stats on the number of prospects who reach their predicted level of success but I bet it’s below 50%.This is a bit of a crap shoot, with the qualifier of judgement….we’ll see….some day.

By Mark

October 29, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

I can’t endorse this trade. While Escobar is the SS of the future, Renteria could fill the spot with All Star credentials for at least a couple more years, while Escobar could play 2B with a better bat and glove (especially glove) than Kelly Johnson.

Maybe the Braves feared that Renteria’s late season injuries were a harbinger of the future. With the salary implications, the trade could make sense.

You gotta laugh at those who think this is related to skin color. Hey, weren’t you listening to Gary Sheffield?? Black doesn’t matter if you’re Hispanic.

By hal neely

October 29, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

great move. freeing up this money, along with the non-Andruw money will allow us to bring in Glavine, as a great 3rd starter, and other pitching.( including the one in the renteria trade)

By brent a.

October 29, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

I’m surprised at anyone who was surprised that the Braves traded Edgar Renteria.

Where have you been?

By Jack

October 29, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

The Braves have a lot of deadwood that should be traded——sold——or cut. Edgar was not one of them. They have lost their FREAKING MIND.

By JohnGTFan

October 29, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

So many critical people without knowing the facts. My goodness. Obviously this is only the beginning. We all knew (those who didn’t have blinders on) that Edgar would get traded. The pitcher prospect people are whining about..have you seen his stats for this past season…last 3 games, 3-0 with a sub 1 ERA. And the CF has what ATL has not had in years..someone with SPEED. Heck yes I’ll miss Edgar, but this is about bringing playoff baseball back to ATL. I think this is a good start, especially if Jurrjens gets one of the starting spots. Say for example, Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Jurrjens, and probably James. I’ll take that 5 man rotation over anyone’s next year. We’re going to fill CF with a more than adequate CF until one of the prospects we have is ready, probably next year or year after.

By caz

October 29, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Just me,but i’m not to crazy about bringin back Glavine. You can’t tell me there is’nt any other lefty we could get for less money and younger! Glavine was good (Hall of Famer), but his best day’s are behind him. If we’re going to look to the future,lets don’t bring back the past. Especially someone who left us before for more cash!! Sounds petty but i’m not a Glavine fan!!!!

By Mike

October 29, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

Yes, Yes, Yes, and yes

By Green

October 29, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

Prediction for 2008:

Renteria will bat .260 with 7 home-runs and 45 RBI.

Escobar will bat .290 with 11 home-runs and 60 RBI. Also Escobar will give us more steals, and he has a better arm the Edgar.

Though I hate to see Edgar go, I think this move COULD yes I say COULD not WILL, be a great move.

By Ruby E, Daniel

October 29, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

It is a shame how the Braves always get rid of their best players for minor league players. Why do we always start a new season with players that have to developed? Keep the players we have and develope them. We don’t throw away our children when they don’t do well, we continue to work with them. I wonder about the people that make these foolish types of moves. What players are you looking at???????

By Augusta Brave

October 29, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

It’s like we sold a 50 inch HDTV for 50 dollars and food stamps ….crackhead prices

By Todd

October 29, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Gorkys and JJ are studs !!! Edgar’s best days are long gone. In 5 years the Braves will be back on top and evryone will be amazed how we got and ace pitcher and a Gold Glover in center for an aging SS.

By True Braves Fan

October 29, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

My first thought about this move is “IT STINKS” because I thought we could get a #3 starter for ER, but tnen I remembered the Alexander for Smoltz trade we made with Detroit. Maybe this one will either turn out as good, or is only the first move in a master plan to reshape the Braves for 2008.

By semiballcoach

October 29, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

good trade, edger had a great year, but stayed hurt, which allowed yunel to play…remember, the braves traded murphy 2 years too late….now they have another power arm and a potential cf….

By 1st and 6

October 29, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

A-Rod in ATL not happening. Unless is for a rea$$onable amount, not the millions for like forever.

By kd

October 29, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

maybe we can sign a-rod and he can become interested in dogs…..

By Train Wreck Bystander

October 29, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

While I understand the need to free up a little money, I disagree with where you guys think it will be spent.

Tex is a rental and you might as well get used to it. He wants a no-trade clause and he’s not getting one in Hotlanta.

This found money is for starting pitching.

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Thanks to Mr. Renteria for two years of stellar play. You will be missed.

By Richard

October 29, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

I think we’re clearing SS for A-Rod….seriously though, Renteria was great, I wish him well…

By dack jerrick

October 29, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Very smart move. Clear a big salary for a one-year player and pick up two of the top prospects in MLB. As with all trades, time will tell.

By Del

October 29, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Lowcountry Bulldawg … If you have kept up with the Tigers as I have, you would know that they are desparate to move Guillien to 1B because (1)his knees are shot, and (2)they need a first baseman for next year. I think the trade works well for both teams. I also think that the ultimate trade for a SP hasn’t happened yet. The money freed up by Rents departure will pay for Glavines return for one year.

By Chris

October 29, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Couldn’t we have gotten at least one proven player included in the deal for a player like ER?!

Not a great way to start Wren…

By Joe Bob

October 29, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

It’s way to early to tell whether it was a good move or not. My gut is that they are going to free up some money for our starting rotation. We need to start from the ground up when Schurholtz and Cox first got here. Starting Pitching first and hitting second.. and it would be nice to have a true closer. I’m not sure if Soriano can be the answer.. and I know Moylan is not what we need as a closer.

By BIGG L

October 29, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

THIS WAS A DUMB MOVE!!!!!! THEY STILL WON’T SIGN A BIG NAME WITH ALL THIS MONEY FREED UP!!!!!!!!!

By Braves Fan 79

October 29, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Unless JJ turns out to be at least a good #3 or 2 starter this move was HORRIBLE! Are we now going to have to rely on orr, or woodcrap again to be our main backup when we rest kelly, chipper, or escobar!?? Thats why we didnt have but 2 or 3 sweeps last year because everytime we went for the sweep cox threw out the “D” team. (definitly wasnt worthy to be called the “B” team!)
So long to one of our best clutch hitters! TERRIBLE!!

By crackbaby

October 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Thanks for your great play and professional conduct as an Atlanta Brave, Edgar Renteria. Good Luck in Detroit. I hope you play the Braves in the ‘08 World Series.

This can work for the Braves if Yunel stays healthy and the power pitcher eventually (2 to 3 yrs) grows into the 1 or 2 spot in the rotation. A speedy, power hitting outfielder would be a great addition.

It looks good on paper, we shall see. Kudos to GM Wrenn in pulling the trigger.

By Jeffrey

October 29, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Many thanks to Renteria for two outstanding years. He was the Braves MVP for 2007 in my book. Escobar is ready for fulltime action and we now have $9 million more free to spend on greater needs.

By Fred

October 29, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

I like it. Renteria was gone after next year and if the 2 kids we got develop, they will be both productive and inexpensive for a few years to come, freeing up money to fix that horrible pitching staff.

By Gerard

October 29, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

I like the trade. I think getting two young prospects and saving money was a big boost for the Braves. I like Escobar at SS. I want the Braves to sign Teixera as soon as possible.

By BRAVES MAN

October 29, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

THE ATLANTA BRAVES ARE LOOKING MORE LIKE MAYBERRY!SHERIFF TAYLOR(J.S.),BARNEY FIFFE (WAREN),OPIE (BRAVES FAN)!!

By wally

October 29, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

chipper jones is one of those good ole boys, like john rocker said, that should have been gone 6 years ago…i like chipper, though, but the only reason he is still here is because he is white…only the black stars are sent away…go red sox!!!

By Al

October 29, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Man i wish we could get A-Rod but dat aint happening sorry folks but GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Mitch

October 29, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

I dont like this trade. That being said, it makes me wonder if something else big is coming. Unless I’m wrong, I think we will end up signing Glavine for somewhere between 7 and 10 million. We just saved 15 mil by letting Andruw go, and now more by the Edgar trade. I believe we will end up getting someone like Mike Cameron for center, and probably signing Glavine, or another veteran starting pitcher. As for shortstop, Escobar is probably going to play there next year. I dont like letting a .330 hitter go, but, the team is probably going to try and re load with pitching. If Hampton can give us anything in 2008, and we can sign Glavine, to win us 12 to 15 games, or someone on that caliber, our rotation of Hampton, Glavine/et al, Smoltz, Hudson, and James, has the potential to be one of baseball’s strongest. We wont easily replace Andruw or Edgars production, but, we have to remember that Braves teams in the 1990s won with poor hitting, and stellar pitching. I believe this is the route Wren and John S are going to take. For the record, I also believe this year that Glavine is coming back to the Braves. We just saved over 20 million by not re signing Andruw, and by trading Edgar. We have money this year, that we didnt have a year ago. I say Tommy signs a one year, 7 to 10 mil deal with us, with an option for 2009. If he wanted the Mets, he would have not declined his contract option. I dont see anyone else signing him.

MC

By Mark

October 29, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

This was not a good move. Now we have to deal with Kelly Johnson at second. Frank Wren this was dumb!

By Najeh Davenpoop

October 29, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

This puts a lot of pressure on Escobar — if he ends up being the next Wilson Betemit, the Braves are pretty screwed. Let’s hope his career continues upward, and that these prospects really are that good.

By matt

October 29, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

I’ve got a feeling that this is part of something bigger that will be announced later. I’m expecting to see a big contract offered to a big-time player any day now, and trading Edgar makes more money to do so. I really hate to see him to, though. What a class guy. We’ll miss you, man!

By Robert S

October 29, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

Honestly, I thought the Braves could have gotten more than a speedy Class A guy and a pitcher with too many J’s and R’s in his name, but it seems as though Frank Wren is doing two things here:

1)He’s freeing up payroll room to address needs for 2008 (namely, signing Tex to an extension or possibly getting a veteran starter like Glavine or Schilling)…….

2)….while he’s keeping an eye cocked toward the future, with these two prospects they acquired. A potential future front line starter and a future center fielder.

3)There’s another possibility here at play as well. Torii Hunter mentioned recently that he would like to sign with either Washington or Atlanta. Might the Braves be looking at the possibility of trying to sign him? Surely he’d come at a heavy price……

By A-ville Ranger

October 29, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

DOB said Curt Schilling wouldn’t be a good clubhouse fit.I don’t care, in fact I think it could be a good thing to shake up the boys a bit.Schilling is a winner like Paul O’neill was.Who gives a wet crap if he’s warm and fuzzy ? He was instrumental in beating the Yankee juggernaut both on and off the field in Arizona.He then helped kill the Yankee mastery of the Sox.He is criticized for being honest by players who wouldn’t speak up if teammates were beating children in the clubhouse.He breaks the one real taboo,the one that says ”go along to get along”.I think he could be just what’s needed on this team.

By bravlady

October 29, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Edgar was a sure thing! Now there’s nothing I can count on next season other than no games on TBS! UGH!

By morris

October 29, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

well we are going to be the whittest team in the league next year

By morris

October 29, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

well, we are going to be the whittest team in the league next year.

By You are all stupid

October 29, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Did any of you watch JJ pitch last year? He has a bright future. Sure E.R. was good but Y.E. was more than serviceable in fact there batting avg are similar. So we get younger at short, get a good pitching prospect and a good young outfielder. Oh and cut some salary. I think this was a great trade.

By Rod from Detroit

October 29, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

I can’t say as far as Hernandez, but I think Jurrjens is the real deal. I watched him pitch a couple of times this past year and he’s got some stuff. I know Renteria is a great addition for the Tigers but I kind of cringed when I saw they gave up Jurrjens. Let’s hope this works well for both sides.

By Spider29

October 29, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

Renteria is one of my favorite players. I really hate to see him go. I did figure that he was sort of the “odd man out” though. What I didn’t expect was to get two players I’d never heard of. Isn’t this a little early for a deal like this without getting more known players in return for a good, solid professional? Maybe these two new players will become good major league players for the Braves. I guess I just wish the Braves had gotten more for Edgar in any trade.

By d-town Kyle

October 29, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

Everyone around here thinks we gave up too much for Renteria. Jurrjens looked dominant at times in the majors this season, and was expected to compete with Miller next season for the 5th starter. Hernandez is a probably the top position prospect on the team behind Maybin.

By george

October 29, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

i think it is a bad trade/ what up with chipper jones/ he should be trade to. andruw jones was great in center field. i think the brave r going to lose a lot of fans if they don’t pull off a blockbuster deal / like a -rod .

By george

October 29, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

i think it is a bad trade/ what up with chipper jones/ he should be trade to. andruw jones was great in center field. i think the brave r going to lose a lot of fans if they don’t pull off a blockbuster deal / like a -rod .

By bevsouth

October 29, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

The same people who were bemoaning the TEx trade for prospects are now bemoaning the Renteria trade for prospects.

By rob

October 29, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

This was the right decision. Edgar was a fantastic Brave. Absolutely positively a great player and teammate his two years here, but Yunel can play and play well. We got two good prospects and freed up some money. Both are good ideas. I wish him the best, and I will pull for the Tigers to come out of the AL again next year. Hopefully we see them in the World Series.

By Elliot

October 29, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

Frank Wren is the new GM but this is such a Scherholz trade—it makes zero sense at first but neither did Millwood for Estrada, and that worked out for us.

The major moves thus far -Freeing up $15 million (or more?) by letting Andruw go -Re-stocking a minor league system that gave up some serious depth for Teixeira -Freeing up more money (Edgar’s $10 mil) to give us a great shot at getting Teixeira after ‘08 -Opening the door for Matt Diaz, Willie Harris, Yunel Escobar—three players who showed promise in platoon roles last year, and allocating resources to our pitching staff, where no one seems ready to step in/step up behind our top two

it sucks seeing Edgar go but give it time before judging…

By Brad

October 29, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this

The comments on here that claim this move was racially motivated are ridiculous. You seem to be the only ones obsessed with the color of your skin. I don’t believe either of these two new guys are even white…

By rbg

October 29, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

last season I said “who is Jon Lester and why would the Braves even consider trading Andruw for him”

A year later and Lester gets a ring in Boston while Andruw will be going elsewhere and no Lester in Atlanta. So I guess what I am getting at is Jergans should be better now then what we would have gotten for Edgar if we let him go as a free agent at the end of the season. I also balked when we traded Doyle Alexander to the Tigers for some rookie I have never heard of.

By JKM

October 29, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

You’re gonna love these guys! I live in West Michigan, home of the Class A team that Gorkys Hernandez played on this year. Don’t think for a minute that the Braves didn’t do an unbelievable scouting job by acquiring these guys. Hernandez is a premium 5-tool prospect, and Jurrjens was likely to crack the Tigers’ already-talented rotation next year. As much as we love Edgar, Tiger fans are split on this deal.

By Mark

October 29, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

Will you people stop it with this TOM GLAVINE CRAP. We really don’t need him. You saw him choke his last few starts for the Mets when they needed him.

By JCB

October 29, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Edgar will be missed. Hope the new guys work out.

By Michael

October 29, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

See, I was in support of a Renteria trade that would have brougt in a John Garland or a Jermy Bonderman type of player, a young guy that has proved that he can play in the bigs, yet has enormous potential. We’ll miss you Renty. But now that we got hese to yeah-hoos, I guess JS will have to stay the lone member of the Wren fan-club.

By 90sbraves

October 29, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are gonna loose fans. they didnt loose us when they went to World Series damn near every year and loose. They didnt loose us when they let Maddux, Glavin, Justice, McGrif and a whole lot of All-Star Players go. As much as I didnt want to see Andrew go and Edgar we need a solid 5 man rotation. We can find a power in free agency to replace Andrews bat. But were not gonna do jack without 5 good arms. we have a good defense

By Steve Fought

October 29, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Hi. I’m a Tigers fan—season ticket holder—from Toledo, Ohio.

I’m not sure what I think of this deal. I know that Jim Leyland likes Renteria a lot, but Jair Jurrgens has a lot of potential as a starting pitcher, and I’m sorry to see him go. I’m pretty sure he’ll do well in a Braves uniform. Tremendous poise for such a young player.

Gorkys Hernandez: just no room for him with Curtis Granderson and Cameron Maybin ahead of him in the Tigers system.

I think both teams made out well.

By 90sbraves

October 29, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are gonna loose fans. they didnt loose us when they went to World Series damn near every year and loose. They didnt loose us when they let Maddux, Glavin, Justice, McGrif and a whole lot of All-Star Players go. As much as I didnt want to see Andrew go and Edgar we need a solid 5 man rotation. We can find a power in free agency to replace Andrews bat. But were not gonna do jack without 5 good arms. we have a good defense

By 90sbraves

October 29, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are gonna loose fans. they didnt loose us when they went to World Series damn near every year and loose. They didnt loose us when they let Maddux, Glavin, Justice, McGrif and a whole lot of All-Star Players go. As much as I didnt want to see Andrew go and Edgar we need a solid 5 man rotation. We can find a power in free agency to replace Andrews bat. But were not gonna do jack without 5 good arms. we have a good defense

By KD

October 29, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this

I hope this mean the Braves may show some interest in Alex Rodriguez? If so, that’s fine. I know this is a business but my children and I would like to see some home team players of color when we attend some games (plural) in 2008.

By 90sbraves

October 29, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are gonna loose fans. they didnt loose us when they went to World Series damn near every year and loose. They didnt loose us when they let Maddux, Glavin, Justice, McGrif and a whole lot of All-Star Players go. As much as I didnt want to see Andrew go and Edgar we need a solid 5 man rotation. We can find a power in free agency to replace Andrews bat. But were not gonna do jack without 5 good arms. we have a good defense

By so sad

October 29, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

I am very upset about this trade! All we hear about are the prospects coming up on our farm teams; do we really need another teams prospects for one of our best? I like Yunel, but is he really ready for everyday? Good luck Renteria!! (Glad I just moved to Michigan so I can continue to follow one of my favorites!)

By 90sbraves

October 29, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

There is no way the Braves are gonna loose fans. they didnt loose us when they went to World Series damn near every year and loose. They didnt loose us when they let Maddux, Glavin, Justice, McGrif and a whole lot of All-Star Players go. As much as I didnt want to see Andrew go and Edgar we need a solid 5 man rotation. We can find a power in free agency to replace Andrews bat. But were not gonna do jack without 5 good arms. we have a good defense

By Steve Fought

October 29, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this

Alan: It’s Jeye-AIR. JURR-jens.

Isn’t there a Major League rule against trading two guys named Jair and Gorkys in the same transaction?

By felix

October 29, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Gave a prospect for Edgar, got two good years out of him and got two good prospects back. Not bad. You trade him for an established pitcher, you gotta pay that pitcher. This way, you get the prospects and you can sign essentially that same pitcher on the free agent market.

How ‘bout them mets, Josh Kunis? Nice finish.

By Dandy Don

October 29, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

The salary dump and youth movement begins. At least they have a decent young player ready to be the SS. In the past, they traded good players for over the hill or injured players. Maybe this will be another Atlanta-Detroit John Smoltz type trade.

By Jay Stiltner

October 29, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

We’ll just have to wait and see how this trade pans out. It’s way too early to start calling Frank Wren a moron.

On one hand, the Braves lose their best hitter besides Chipper Jones - and a gold glove caliber shortstop to boot. Yunel Escobar should be a worthy and excitable replacement, but it’s unlikely that he’ll hit .332 over a full season.

If Edgar Renteria hadn’t went down with that ankle injury, he would have been on pace for 200 hits. He was an affable and gregarious veteran that was well-liked in the Braves’ club house. As a fan, it’s sad to see him go.

That being said, I would have liked to see the Braves get a more proven pitcher - someone like Dan Haren or Roy Oswalt - then some prospects, who will surely still take awhile to prosper.

From what the Detroit heads and Wren have been saying, this dude Jair Jurrgens may turnout to be a solid pitcher. Assuming Mike Hampton returns - not likely however - and Chuck James solidifies a spot, the Braves desperately need another starter at the end of the rotation.

I don’t know what to think about this Gorkeys Hernandez kid. I can only speculate that the Braves will still try and sign Mike Cameron to a two-year deal. Maybe that will buy some time for Hernandez to build his skills for the major leagues.

The Braves needed to get young in the pitching department and jump on a hot prospect for center field. The Tigers obviously felt that they needed to bolster their lineup and Renteria will sure hell continue to be a great hitter.

Good trade for both teams on paper.

By luvthejackets

October 29, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

We are just making room for AROD! :) just kidding

By Ron

October 29, 2007 7:31 PM | Link to this

Rent was good for us, but he was moving on after next season anyway. This way we get something for him. Yunel will be around for a long time, and so will the two new guys we just got. Looks like Frank Wren is not wasting any time as new GM!

By Craig

October 29, 2007 7:32 PM | Link to this

Again the Braves trade my favorite player for people I never heard of. Are these guys super prospects or what?? I’m not as into the minor as I once was, but I don’t remember these names. If this guy is a starter, then I’m okay with it. BUt Edgar was the most clutch player we had….gonna miss him.

By Max

October 29, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

awesome!this is why i love this team!!!.they trade away a very good player but get two great prospects in return.A pitcher and centerfielder,both needs for this team.I believe in this trade!GO GM Wren!!!

By Mark

October 29, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

90sbraves,

I feel you but you shouldn’t have made this move. This move was totally stupid and the fact that it was done the first day after the WS.

I like Escobar, but he hasn’t experienced what it is like when the league adjusts to the way he hits. (Remember Francouer and his second year.) Plus we don’t need Kelly at second screwing up on those up the middle plays. This Sucks.

You are right this reminds me when JS got rid of the leaders of the team for guys like KEITH LOCKHART, MICHEAL TUCKER, KENNY LOFTON, AND ALAN EMBREE.

This team is gonna suck again!

By Silverdogg

October 29, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this

I woiuld have kept him and moved Escobar to second and Johnson back to the outfield (CF).

By Scorphil

October 29, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

You gotta be kidding. Maybe the worst Braves trade ever. Who is this character Oriole or Robin…Wren…some bird name??? John puhleeze come back downtairs!!!

By Tokyo Tom

October 29, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

It’s like Holy Cow said- the Braves don’t want dark skinned players. That’s why they got rid superstars like T. Glavine, G. Maddux, P. Neikro, D. Murphy, J. Torre (twice), B. Horner, J. Burroughs, J.D. Drew, etc.

By johnny dowdall

October 29, 2007 7:39 PM | Link to this

This was a good trade if you look at the prospects we got in return…Hernandez is a speed demon who can be a legit Jose Reyes spark plug in the front of the line up for years to come….only 20 years old he had 54 stolen bases and hit into 2 DP’s in 500 plus at bats this jurjins kid was said to be the best control pitcher in Detroit’s orginization at the same time it is always risky trading what we know to be an amazing shortstop for two “ifs” we will soon see

By Mark

October 29, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

They better get two great pitchers (NOT GLAVINE) like Oswalt etc., a good centerfielder that can leadoff, and another bullpen guy.

If not this trade is stupid!

Frank Wren you’re not worth a damn!

I am getting sick of this going young BS. You saw what happen to the last few teams to go young that made the playoffs. They either choked (Indians) or got swept. (Diamondbacks Rockies).

Are they trying to be like the HAWKS?

By Hammond

October 29, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

we need the cash for a good player but please do not spend it on a 42 year over the hill pitcher

By LivininAL

October 29, 2007 7:48 PM | Link to this

I Hate losing Renteria but I understand the trade, I wish Rent the best, hope he has a great year in Detroit. I think you folks dreaming about A-Rod are doing just that ..DREAMING.

By Detroit guy

October 29, 2007 7:52 PM | Link to this

Braves folks, You aren’t getting some average prospects. Please take a look at Jair Jurrjens’ and Gorkys’ stats. Jair is 21 but is ready to pitch next year. He tossed a one-hitter against Cleveland. He will not drop off even after opposing teams learn his pitches. Gorkys was a very, very fast CF in a decent Detroit farm system. Oh, and he can bat too. It was unrealistic to bring him up in September this past year. He is going to be a good one. Us Detroit folks just hope Edgar has a few miles left in him. What type of defensive ability has he left? We are moving Carlos Guillen to first base and wanted a great defensive shortstop. We end up with Edgar, a good offensive player and an average defensive guy.

By Pure Genius

October 29, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone dissing this trade is an idiot. Just take a short click over to the Tigers boards and listen to them WHINE hysterically. They HATE this trade. Both of these prospects are legit. Two of their top 4 prospects.

Wren’s first stroke of genius, and if you think he doesn’t listen to his scouts who KNOW players, your microwave door is ajar.

By Nelson

October 29, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

I wish Renteria the best in his future carreer, he is an excellent player who knows his job and do it right and always playing for the team not for himself and also an excellent person. He is what our children should look as an model of a plyer. I hope the braves with the money they saved they can get STARTING PITCHING that’s what we need the most!

By Pure Genius

October 29, 2007 7:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone dissing this trade is an idiot. Just take a short click over to the Tigers boards and listen to them WHINE hysterically. They HATE this trade. Both of these prospects are legit. Two of their top 4 prospects.

Wren’s first stroke of genius, and if you think he doesn’t listen to his scouts who KNOW players, your microwave door is ajar.

By Andrew Gottlieb

October 29, 2007 7:55 PM | Link to this

I thnik it depends on how well the new guys do. I would give a yes. Later on, The Braves should trade at least one of the guys to get a good pitcher.

By Andrew Gottlieb

October 29, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

I thnik it depends on how well the new guys do. I would give a yes. Later on, The Braves should trade at least one of the guys to get a good pitcher.

By Andrew Gottlieb

October 29, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

I thnik it depends on how well the new guys do. I would give a yes. Later on, The Braves should trade at least one of the guys to get a good pitcher.

By Andrew Gottlieb

October 29, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

I thnik it depends on how well the new guys do. I would give a yes. Later on, The Braves should trade at least one of the guys to get a good pitcher.

By Charles

October 29, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

jurrgens is a very good young arm that is major league ready and tested, and hernandez is a very bright prospect that can be a lead off hitter down the road. We had to move renteria. We can’t afford to have Escobar’s growth stunted by a year backing up a very solid SS. Good move that was necessary. Young pitchers with 95 mph fastballs are hard to find and even harder to trade for. And by the way, the red sox had a few younger players/rookies that were critical in their world series run (bucholtz, ellersby, okajima, lester, pedroia, and papelbon). You have to continue to grow young talent to sustain success in the majors. Teams that stockpile on older overpriced veterans tend to lose…

By Eric

October 29, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

At least they traded him to a team that cant hurt us.

By Charles

October 29, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

pure genius is the man!!!

By Mr. Fuji

October 29, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

I really hope they know what they are doing.

By Ripper D

October 29, 2007 7:58 PM | Link to this

What in the hell are the Brave’s thinking about ,Renteria has played his azz off putting the team on his back while Chipper on the bench complaning with his thumb hurting or some other part hurting at the time …Another dumb move just like the Salty plus the team future for Tex

By DT

October 29, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

Atlanta will be glad they got Jurjens. I am a Tiger fan and sad to see him go. I think he has the chops to be a really good pitcher. The Tigers just really needed a solid shortstop like Renteria. I think both teams win on this one.

By Ripper D

October 29, 2007 8:02 PM | Link to this

A-rod is a cancer to any team that he’s on ,so i’m willing to bet the the farm the Braves are’nt in the running for him .

By Kenny from Athens

October 29, 2007 8:06 PM | Link to this

You heard it here first. Andruw’s salary 15 million, Renteria’s salary 10 million equals 25 million to go after A-Rod!!!

By TradeAndruw

October 29, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

“They better get two great pitchers (NOT GLAVINE) like Oswalt etc., a good centerfielder that can leadoff, and another bullpen guy”

How in God’s name do you expect them to acquire two number 1 starters?

By heybud

October 29, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

I like the move. I love what Renteria provided in leadership and with his bat. His glove was steady, but his range was a bit limited.

I like the fact that Braves are picking up some younger players and freeing up some salary cap space to go after a stellar starting pitcher.

The jury is out on whether Yunel Escobar will be an everyday shortstop, but he did have an impressive season this past year and showed acute baseball acumen.

I like the fact that Frank Wren has done something so soon. Hopefully, more moves to improve the overall talent on the team are forthcoming.

By Dave

October 29, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this

One of the hallmarks of a good organization is looking towards the future. These two prospects along with the other prospects in the system guarantee that the Braves will be competitive for years to come. The club has young players that contribute at 3 positions. Four if Esco can duplicate what he did last season and there is no reason that he won’t. He is the real deal and will only get better. I love his confidence and he knows he belongs in “the show”. The key now is to solidify the starting rotation.

By Matt the Brave

October 29, 2007 8:11 PM | Link to this

Oh, it’s been a long time since we’ve had something to talk about on the Braves blog, right? I think that this is a good move, definitely giving Yunel a chance at SS. I loved Edgar in at SS and in the #2 hole, but we have other guys who can do it just as well now. I’m sure Hubbard will be working with him this offseason (ie: like with Johnson) to be a move accurate thrower. Also, it sounds like these guys will be able to contribute to the club very soon. In a way, I hate to see Edgar go, but I love the fact that we got more young talent yet again. Going to be one heckuva year!

By Fan since 66

October 29, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Hard to part with the bat and leadership of Edgar.But we needed to have gotten at least one major league player in this deal.A starting pitcher would have been nice.The problem with baseball now are these agents like Boras and the big super rich teams.The two New York teams and the Red Sox come to mind.Look at what Boras wants for Andrew Jones and now Alex Rodriqez again.His first free agent contract spelled doom for the smaller market teams.Baseball stood by and let contracts like his and agents like Boras get us to where we are now.They want mega money multiyear contracts for players such as these.Its not good for baseball,the smaller payroll teams or their fans.Stand by and watch as Boras gets all this money for Andrew and Alex.And then after next season we can watch Tex walk also.Look at what happend to Torre,The pressure put on him by the owner of one of these rich teams got his job when the high dollar players did not produce.Major League Baseball has let the game get away from them.Might as well fire Bud Selig and give the job to Scott Boras.He and his kind are running the show anyway.

By ck

October 29, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

rediculous opting out of a three year contract for 72 million… I hope the braves stay as far away from Arod as possible…Let him go to the Angels.

As for the trade…nice job Wren… It was doubtful we could have gotten haren for rent anyway. I beleive the Braves pulled off another coup from the tigers.

Not ready for Glav to come back but I wouldn’t mind schilling coming in…

As for hampton… well we’ll just have to wait and see

I’m stoked to see Hunter come in and shore up center field.

Patience my dear bloggers… this could be the best offseason for the Braves in years.

By ck

October 29, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

rediculous opting out of a three year contract for 72 million… I hope the braves stay as far away from Arod as possible…Let him go to the Angels.

As for the trade…nice job Wren… It was doubtful we could have gotten haren for rent anyway. I beleive the Braves pulled off another coup from the tigers.

Not ready for Glav to come back but I wouldn’t mind schilling coming in…

As for hampton… well we’ll just have to wait and see

I’m stoked to see Hunter come in and shore up center field.

Patience my dear bloggers… this could be the best offseason for the Braves in years.

By Plate Appearance

October 29, 2007 8:20 PM | Link to this

WREN’S IMPULSIVE APPROACH

What concerns me most is Wren’s impulsive approach in the trade market.

Instead of taking a more measured approach and making a careful, systematic survey the trade market for a solid starting pitcher to meet and fill the Braves most dire off season need, Wren impulsively acts on THE VERY FIRST DAY of the off season — by trading what now clearly has to be seen as the Braves biggest trading chip in Renteria, someone who should have never been traded in the first place.

Then Frank has the audacity to say that he’s excited to have someone WHO CAN COMPETE for a starting pitcher job in Spring Training.

Is that what we really needed Frank? Someone else who can compete?

Hardly! We needed a solid starter who can actually move into the rotation next year.

And why do you trade for another center field prospect when you already have a highly touted CF prospect in your system — or another player of high quality such as a ?

I still can’t believe this trade was made! I’m in an utterly incredulous state — as are countless other fans!

JS, as the new Braves president, how could you have allowed Wren to stumble and bumble in making this trade? It makes no practical sense.

What a steal for Detroit — thanks to Wren’s impulsivity!

By Stuart

October 29, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

I would have felt better if Camereon Maybin was the CF in this deal.

As with any deal the braves make, what happens after is as important as the deal itself. If this frees some money for an elite SP or CF, then the deal is great.

Unless the braves truely believe these 2 are going to be great, this is a dumb deal on the surface, but as I said above, what happens will tell the tale.

I hope Escobar is the real deal and I hope these prospects are good, and I hope my gut feeling that this is a bad deal is wrong.

By Josh

October 29, 2007 8:28 PM | Link to this

Some of you guys are nuts thinking the Braves have a shot at signing A-Rod. There is no way the Braves tie up 1/3 of their payroll on him. Signing A-Rod would be suicide. Too much money tied up in one player. Let the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, and Cubs fight over him. If we want a position player sign Mike Cameron or preferrably Torii Hunter.

By will

October 29, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

I think the purpose of the trade is two fold. One-to clear up money for an immediate impact on free agency for the upcoming season and Two-to put the Braves in a great position when the young players are seasoned and ready to play in the next couple of seasons. Perhaps Jurrjens will be able to compete next season, who knows. I believe it is a good trade for both teams. Escobar needs to play everyday. Braves needed help.

By Mark

October 29, 2007 8:29 PM | Link to this

Dave,

FU!@ competitive, I want a team that can win it all! This sucks! We were competitive for 14 years and it amounted to what 1 championship. We need PROVEN pitchers now. I am getting sick of preparing for the future. We have ben doing this for years.

I hope this works out. We should packaged somebody like KELLY JOHNSON. He is solid, but he won’t cut it at second.

It doesn’t matter anyway, we still have YOU KNOW WHO MANAGING. So, oh well.

By John-L

October 29, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Braves make another bad move. Renteria was the most valuable Brave.He wasn easily worth a #3 Starter.The Braves will not resign Tex.Remember Boras,and the braves policy on no trade contracts?

By deewill23

October 29, 2007 8:31 PM | Link to this

I really like this trade a whole lot. As a Braves fan, I like to see us get a young talented OF with blazing speed. I also like getting a SP that has a 93-95MPH fastball with great control. Edgar is most defiently going to be miss with his clutch hits. But Yunel Escobar or Brent Lillibridge are ready to take his place. Keith Law was on ESPNNews and he said he wouldn’t rule out another big SP acquisition by the Braves. May be this is one step that the Braves needed to make to get Dan Haren!

By kbrabant

October 29, 2007 8:32 PM | Link to this

This is a great trade!!! Picking up two A+ prospects for a player whom we really didn’t need anymore is a fantastic job by Wren. Good start.

Now, get Glavine and Cameron for a season.

By Hmmmmm

October 29, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Now that Andruw and his contract are gone and shortstop is open….GO AFTER A-ROD!!!!!!!!!!!

By Cory H

October 29, 2007 8:36 PM | Link to this

I think the Braves have made the stupidest decision yet. Edgar is a 330 hitter, a golden glove fielder, and a clutch player. Who cares about Yunel Escabar when you have such a superb shortstop as Edgar. These kind of decisions will keep the braves out of the playoffs. Why don’t you go for a big time pitcher instead of two minor league pitchers.

What idiots!!!

By can't believe it

October 29, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Seems like we continue to trade stellar, proven players for low-cost potential. David Justice, Greg Maddux, Furcal, now Andruw and Edgar, and I know I’ve missed quite a few. I give up. Go Cubbies.

By Ripper D

October 29, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

Tex is a rent-a-player ,you guys watch i bet he has a career year next year just to jack the price tag up higher than the brave’s can afford .I hated that move back then ,only thing i can’t wait to see Salty become a star in Texas,then they will know what a dumb deal it was

By bullwinkel

October 29, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

For all of you who think a player is not expendable, I hear Marcus Giles is available.

By charles

October 29, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Who cares how to pronounce players name’s, if he can pitch call him Cy. If there is more than one call him Cy also, I mean George Forman has five son’s name George.

By Steve Avery

October 29, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Forget the A-Rod thing. There is no way, and I mean no way, that the Braves will sign Tex AND A-Rod. And I would much rather have Tex than A-Rod. Also, this trade was GREAT for the Braves. As much as I love Renteria, Yunel is ready for full-time. The Braves also needed to save some $$$ for Tex, ?Glavine, a center fielder, and possibly another starter. We had to dump some money. Plus, we got some incredible prospects that may actually make us forget Salty. A final thought…for those of you who keep saying to trade Chipper, you are all crazy. No offense, but he just came off of one of his best years, and don’t forget how great it is to have two switch hitters back-to-back. With pitching and a little more speed, Chipper and Tex will take us to a championship.

By Greg

October 29, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

So many people are dissing the trade because they haven’t heard of Jurrjens or Hernandez. I suppose they are intimately familiar with most team’s farm systems? Jurrjens looks like a good pickup, but his small size concerns me over the long haul. Small RHP don’t last forever usually. If anyone really thought we would get a guy like Bonderman for Renteria, you’re insane. We might have gotten Robertson, and he’s not much different from Glavine.

Hernandez makes less sense. You already have Schaefer and Brandon Jones, not to mention Frenchy.

But this is clearly move #1. Just be patient. Perhaps we sign a pitcher and CF. Perhaps we trade one or both of these guys for a veteran pitcher.

But let’s call off the suicide watch until this all pans out.

Oh, and don’t even joke about ARod in a Braves uni…

By Dan

October 29, 2007 8:49 PM | Link to this

Why did this happen?
Did he get caught fighting dogs with Mihael Vick? What a dumb move.

By Braves Fan

October 29, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

This might be a big mistake. Think of all the bad trades the Braves have made in the past. This one may come back to haunt them or it may help them in the long run. Whatever the case, GO BRAVES !

And to josh kunis: the mets suck! They couldn’t even hold back the Phillies!

By Steve Avery

October 29, 2007 8:58 PM | Link to this

Forget the A-Rod thing. There is no way, and I mean no way, that the Braves will sign Tex AND A-Rod. And I would much rather have Tex than A-Rod. Also, this trade was GREAT for the Braves. As much as I love Renteria, Yunel is ready for full-time. The Braves also needed to save some $$$ for Tex, ?Glavine, a center fielder, and possibly another starter. We had to dump some money. Plus, we got some incredible prospects that may actually make us forget Salty. A final thought…for those of you who keep saying to trade Chipper, you are all crazy. No offense, but he just came off of one of his best years, and don’t forget how great it is to have two switch hitters back-to-back. With pitching and a little more speed, Chipper and Tex will take us to a championship.

By Gary

October 29, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

That’s just the reality of major league sports. You just can’t count on players staying in one spot and teams have to constantly make deals not just to fill holes, but to make adjustments to their financial position as well. I hate to see Edgar go. He is a great player with a great attitude and absolutely kept us in the race with his bat when Chipper was out. But there is no doubt from a business perspective that this is a smart move. Yunel will be an exciting young replacement at short like Furcal, but with a more reliable bat. And if we can believe the scouts, we’re getting two potential starters at key positions where we have needs. Of course, only time will tell if this works out but on paper right now, this was good first deal for the new GM. Now let’s go get us a real ace! (And I don’t mean Glavine)

By Robert S

October 29, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

Agreed with Greg. This is but one move in perhaps a series of many. I heard whispers of trading the two prospects they got from Detroit to Baltimore for Erik Bedard, but I’m afraid it might take more to get him than that, otherwise it would turn out to be a Renteria-for-Bedard trade for the Braves. I don’t think the Orioles would settle for just Jurrjens and Hernandez.

Also, Frank Wren’s been a GM before, folks. He does have a clue. Give him time, already!!!

And for cryin out loud, let’s please dispense with the A-Rod talk. That’s just silly to even consider……think about it, guys - he’d take up a third of our payroll, and Wren’s smarter than that……

By D. Jeter

October 29, 2007 9:00 PM | Link to this

ARod announces the opt-out, Renteria traded to the Tigers in less than 24hrs, come on people tell me that something is not cooking here!! You A-Rod haters could get a nice surprise pretty soon! Now Batting for the atlanta Braves Alex the Great!!!!!!!!!

By Ripper D

October 29, 2007 9:02 PM | Link to this

Chipper and Tex are going bring us i championship ? I might see Tex holding up his part ,but Chippy can’t play a year without missing six or eight weeks a year..he’s breaking down he needs to go the AL and be a DH like all other washed up players like him do.

By Tim

October 29, 2007 9:06 PM | Link to this

This frees up room to sign a gapper in CF for a year until this Hernandez kid or Schaffer is ready in 09, and more room to take a shot at resigning Tex next offseason, and gives Yunel and his cannon at SS more PT. I like it, though I HATE seeing Renteria go, he’s the best 2 hitter and table-setter in the game hands down.

By Bo

October 29, 2007 9:14 PM | Link to this

Great job Mr. Wrens. Jair Jurrijens could be the next Smoltz. Gorkys Hernandez just turn 20 and remember A. Jones at 20 years of age. This could be the biggest steal in Braves history. Wait till you see in spring training what they can do. I’m thrilled. Now get A good starting pitcher , not Glavine! One relief pitcher and Hunter for cf. Pray that Bobby Cox retires.

By Bob Horner

October 29, 2007 9:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the shout out earlier! Anyway, have most of you people actually watched any baseball the last couple of months? In the one game the Mets really signed Glavine to pitch, he gave up artillery practice. How many games did Renteria miss with his high ankle sprain? The kid pitcher has a big arm, as in the high 90s into the triple-digits in his pitch count. As far as Pay-Rod coming to ATL, some of you need to put down the herb and back away. If you think payroll is tight now, imagine how you’d feel if he was consuming a third (or more) of it, and was surrounded by nothing but minor-leaguers and role players. This is a business, nothing more. You ever hear of anyone offering old number 11 a star on the plaza? No, because he went to Japan. The Braves have always done this. As for the Gant rant, he ran himself out of town on a motorcycle and a bad leg, as I recall. His choice.

By Rick

October 29, 2007 9:18 PM | Link to this

I believe they had to free up money to pay the back ended contract to non-other than “Dead Arm Hampton”. Thanks again Hampton. Notice that the Braves have finished 3rd both years Mike’s been on the DL. I say take the lost and dump Dead arm for some prospects.

By D. Jeter

October 29, 2007 9:19 PM | Link to this

2008 Lineup 1- Escobar, 2B 2- C.Jones, 3B 3- A-Rod, SS 4- Texeira, 1B 5- Francoeur, RF 6- McCann, C 7- (thru trade), CF 8- Diaz, LF 9- Pitcher Great Chance, Remember me!!

By Mick

October 29, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Hello, Atlanta, from a Tigers fan. I dropped in to check on how you’re reacting to the trade. Tigers fans are as wary as you are. The two players you got from us are considered two of our best prospects. Jurrjens showed a ton of poise in the 7 games he pitched and Hernandez was expendable only because we have a strong outfield and an outstanding prospect in Cameron Maybin. In Detroit, the fear that this is another Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz trade. So, let it play out - we’re as worried as you are.

By We gave Doyle Alexander Once Too.

October 29, 2007 9:23 PM | Link to this

Why is it that I think all the folks complaining about this trade would have complained about giving up Doyle Alexander????

By Kenneth Simpson

October 29, 2007 9:24 PM | Link to this

We will just have to wait and see how this deal works out. Most of the time the braves get stuck but it sounds like the braves got a pretty good center fielder prospect and with 54 stolen bases that is great. The braves never had a good base stealer in years since Furcal first came on the scene. I think Escobar will fill the position fine but I kinda thought the braves would get a front line pitcher and maybe a good solid outfielder for Renteria but they didn’t. These 2 players may be superstars pretty quick. It seems Detroit has turned out some pretty good pitchers and outfielders and maybe these 2 are just what the braves needed. I hope it works out because if don’t and the braves don’t acquire a good center fielder runs are going to be at a premium with Andruw (assuming he don’t have another year like 07) gone and now Renteria gone and with Chipper on the medicare list half of the time but again we will have to wait and see how this pans out. I hope it turns out to be a good deal for the braves but again their trading history is not that good.

By Stephen

October 29, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

Renteria was a class act. I will miss his professionalism and consistency. I applauded the Braves when they acquired him. I understand the reason to trade him but I thought we would get a front-line starter in return.

By Gary

October 29, 2007 9:30 PM | Link to this

You A-Rod fans are on drugs if you think the Braves would go after him. He is making $25 million per year and he is still in his prime. How in the world do you figure freeing up 9 million with the Renteria trade will allow us to spend 25+ million on a position where we already have a proven performer? Use your head. This move is not to get A-Rod. (remember who his agent is) We now have money to get what we really need, a #1 or #2 starter. Smoltz won’t last forever, Glavine has at best a year left, no guarantee if Hampton will ever pitch for us or how well he can pitch, we need another Hudson. That will give us three aces if Smoltz has another great year left. Then we can use Glavine in the 4 spot if we can pick him up reasonably. (give him a 5 mill base with plenty of performance incentives so he can get a nice check if he has a great year but won’t hurt us if he has run out of gas) Then those prospects can compete with Rejes and Hampton (if he can still pitch) for that last spot. The team fills it’s holes, we’ll have plenty of starting pitching options and we keep our great bullpen. I’m seeing pennant in 2008. Go Braves!

By Da Showstopper

October 29, 2007 9:39 PM | Link to this

Read the comments in the Detroit Free Press….the folks are not happy at all. They are comparing the pitcher to Smoltz already….and saying that the centerfielder is the steal of this trade. Wren had been shopping Edgar for a while, and this is the best deal that could be made…but this is just the first of what will be many Braves moves….Wren said on the radio this afternoon that within 30 minutes of making this trade that another GM called wanting the centerfielder….only time will tell, but I think this is a good move for the Braves now, and a GREAT move for the Braves 5 years from now.

By jch

October 29, 2007 9:41 PM | Link to this

EXCELLENT TRADE

Escobar needed to start. Renteria had a couple of excellent years. But, he’s a ton more expensive than Escobar and Escobar looks as if he can more than fill Renteria’s shoes next season. A sophomore slump is always possible but he’s had a true full season of experience in the majors and showed no signs of slowing down. If anything, and maybe some of you stat junkies can back me up, he only seemed to get better and better.

So, assuming you’re comfy with Escobar at SS, we also get what sounds like a super pitching prospect and a something we haven’t had around for a while - speed. And it sounds like LOTS of it!!!

And, we have 9 million less the salary of those 2 prospects to go find a solid pitcher. That should definitley be doable.

It’s to go shopping Frank!

Just please DON’T sign Glavine!!!

The last thing we need is another 40+ year old arm to along with Hampton’s twice rehabbed arm and Hudson’s “maybe” (he was outstanding this year but needs to prove he can keep it up).

There’s got to be somebody else out there that’s more of a “sure thing” than a guy who played for a contender the past 5 years and only has 61 wins to show for it (that’s 12.2/year) and an ERA of 4.45 in ‘06.

We can do better, much better.

By D. Jeter

October 29, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this

You bunch of idiot’s it’s not his fault that he is the best player ever and for sure the Braves will be in the mix. The Braves were big spenders and will get back to bussiness again. Maybe Mr.Gary will need to smoke some brown paper or so the day he sees it on ESPN.!!!

By sean

October 29, 2007 9:49 PM | Link to this

we should of traded for andrew miller

By lhardy

October 29, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

I am disturbed about the way the Braves are headed. we seems tohelp other teams more than we help ourselves. This was one of the best players for the year with an outstanding on field and batting averages. What’s up with the Braves? I have supported in attendnace for 36 years and can not believe how we are detroyed ourselves.

By lhardy

October 29, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

I am disturbed about the way the Braves are headed. we seems tohelp other teams more than we help ourselves. This was one of the best players for the year with an outstanding on field and batting averages. What’s up with the Braves? I have supported in attendnace for 36 years and can not believe how we are detroying ourselves.

By lhardy

October 29, 2007 9:57 PM | Link to this

I am disturbed about the way the Braves are headed. we seems tohelp other teams more than we help ourselves. This was one of the best players for the year with an outstanding on field and batting averages. What’s up with the Braves? I have supported in attendnace for 36 years and can not believe how we are detroying ourselves.

By will haney

October 29, 2007 9:58 PM | Link to this

the great bravos are going after A-ROD, they better after losing 2 great hitters, or else they would be a last place team.

By Chris Carson

October 29, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

No A-Rod (he’s past his prime), no Glavine (we don’t need the sentimental over the hill nod either). We shoudl land Tori Hunter and a few good arms to compete with the Mets in ‘08. Smoltz has (maybe) a half year left on his arm and Hampton is our Pottery Barn special (not going to recover in our life times)…so it’s up to Wren to fix the problems of baseball economics in fan apathetic Atlanta (thanks Fulton - let’s keep the parking $$$ and avoid MARTA to the stadium).

I’m thinking Atlanta really is a lousy sports town….

By Chris Carson

October 29, 2007 10:09 PM | Link to this

No A-Rod (he’s past his prime), no Glavine (we don’t need the sentimental over the hill nod either). We shoudl land Tori Hunter and a few good arms to compete with the Mets in ‘08. Smoltz has (maybe) a half year left on his arm and Hampton is our Pottery Barn special (not going to recover in our life times)…so it’s up to Wren to fix the problems of baseball economics in fan apathetic Atlanta (thanks Fulton - let’s keep the parking $$$ and avoid MARTA to the stadium).

I’m thinking Atlanta really is a lousy sports town….

By jch

October 29, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Is there any news out there indicating the Braves are after A-Rod???

It just sounds ridiculous to me. The new owners haven’t indicated they’re willing to spend the kind of money it would take to get him. And, if they did, where would you put him??? We already have a superstar at 3B and I doubt either of them (Chipper or A-Rod) would be willing to learn another position.

Of course, apparently, an off-season with Glen Hubbard can make a 2B out of anyone!!!

By 66mustang

October 29, 2007 10:11 PM | Link to this

Smoltz was a wild armed prospect in Detriot when he came over for Doyle Alexander. JS likes this curacao pitcher who throws mid-nineties and doesn’t give up the gopher. instant #4 pitcher heads above the other prospects. The CF was a low A MVP. has great speed, glove and makes contact. 2 years away meaning we’ll see a renta-center this year as JS rebuilds big-time. $ now freed up for a Baldini or someone credible for time being.

By huck

October 29, 2007 10:13 PM | Link to this

Saw Jurrjens pitch against Indians. He’ll be Ok for Bravos. Escobar will be OK at short and will only get better. I like his attitude …Remember Renteria was injured couple times last year and he ain’t getting any younger. I, for one, was glad to see Jones leave — he was a rally killer last season.

By Chris

October 29, 2007 10:16 PM | Link to this

Dumb trade, but who cares about the Choketober Braves anyway? I grew up going to Braves games in the old stadium but lost interest long ago. Never has a team accomplished so little with so much.

By g8tored

October 29, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Myopic Braves fans! “How could we possibly trade Alexander for some unproven minor leaguer I’ve never heard of?” Remember that? Besides, trades are not necessarily to be judged on their own individual merits, but also on the additional moves made due to the results of said trade, i.e., don’t get your panties in a wad until we know how it all shakes out!

By **BIRD BRAIN WREN**

October 29, 2007 10:22 PM | Link to this

Fly away Frank.

Fly away.

Yes, it’s already time for you to fly away.

We’ve already seen enough of your nonsensical GM moves.

You’ve already traded an all star position player for NO ONE WHO IS A SURE THING to fill any of the Braves needed and well publicized line up holes.

You’re hurting the Braves Frank. You’re not helping.

So do us all a favor Frank, and fly away!

And DOB, please be a further voice of reasoned protest for we fans in decrying this horrendous trade in a more clearly visible way, as only you can!

By Randall

October 29, 2007 10:24 PM | Link to this

Edgar was the one position of strength to use without harming what he had, well done new G.M. Wren

By shawn

October 29, 2007 10:26 PM | Link to this

Why don’t we let one of the now three CF prospects take over center field or KJ and instead of signing Tori Hunter trade the other prospects, Chuck James and Jose Reyes for J. Santana. If Tori leaves the Twins they will need a CF and guess who has several now. Put the money in Santana instead of ARod or Glavine.

By Do some of you know anything about baseball?

October 29, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Yes, Renteria had a stellar year this past year….however, the Braves picked up two top prospects while dumping salary of a player who would be a free agent after next year. In return, Escobar (who batted 10 points less than Renteria) will fill in perfectly at shortstop.

Also, the Braves have now have more money to play with to try and sign Texeria to along term deal, as well as be a major player in the free agent market. This was a not only a good move by the Braves, but a move that they HAD to make. Renteria even knew himself that he would not be back.

By Steve Avery

October 29, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this

Okay Ripper D, I understand what you are saying about Chipper being injured a lot, but look at what he did this year. In the games that he played, he had one of his monster years, so he is far from washed up, in my opinion. Also as far as him going to the AL, he may get a gold glove this year so I don’t think he needs to DH just yet.

By ChrisfromSacramento

October 29, 2007 10:30 PM | Link to this

I thought that we would trade Edgar. But, for 2 minor leaguers. I dont care if they are blue chip prospects. We didnt get anything major league ready. This is very disappointing. I am still not sold on Escobar for a whole year. Every year you know what you get out of Edgar. I think the Braves should have waited untill next years All-Star break. I think there would have been more value one way or another. Very disappointing.

By Michael McCarthy

October 29, 2007 10:31 PM | Link to this

Braves need more money to win it all. Braves used to have same payroll of Yanks but now less than half.

By skc

October 29, 2007 10:33 PM | Link to this

Well I see it like this. Andruw defense GONE Renteria bat GONE Pitchers picked up NONE Offense JUST TOOK A KICK IN THE PANTS Chipper WILL PLAY HALF THE YEAR Diaz WILL PROVE HES NOT A EVERY DAY PLAYER Escobar WILL PROVE HES NOT THAT GOOD

The braves just killed their offense and still have no pitching. Way to go there FRANKIE

At least he will fit in with Bobbys nick names.

By Rocco Baldelli

October 29, 2007 10:36 PM | Link to this

66 Mustang. Man I was hurt and lost my starting job and only hit 187 this year. I don’t think the Braves still want me,but i would love to try. I know they were glad they did’nt get me last year 5 million for nothing, ha ha I’m pretty good.