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By Tyger

August 3, 2006 08:53 PM | Link to this

I lose more and more respect for the Braves organization as each year passes!

By BirdMahn

August 3, 2006 08:57 PM | Link to this

Lifelong Brave, perhaps one of the greatest center fielders to play the game, feared clean-up hitter and major force in the line-up, always drives in over 100, hits at least 30 hr and how many gold gloves? I don’t see why The Braves should trade him for another Tim Hudson, Mike Hampton or whomever happens to be the hot pitcher de jour. I’d take Andruw over another pitcher and 3 Coco Crisps. I say to ownership, pay the man! I think he’s worth it.

By supergrass

August 3, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

i feel that more or less its a part of the game. it would be very foolish to let him go for anything less than an above average center fielder (which he is), 2 ace starters, & 2nd baseman, all being under 30yrs of age, major league talent - no prospect bs……theres obviously a possibility he will not be a brave much longer but i hope he stays

By Salty

August 3, 2006 09:08 PM | Link to this

Braves payroll likely to stay at $80M after Liberty closes deal. With that, Braves can’t afford to sign Andruw at $18M/year. Add the untradable boat-anchors Chipper($15M) & Hampton($16M) to the mix and you would have three guys using up $50M or 63% of the payroll. It would be a different story if Chipper & Hampton were gone but they are not. Braves need to trade Andruw before the 10/5 kicks in because after that, Mr. Boras will mess everything up.

By sam

August 3, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

I think Aj is the best defensive center fielder since Willie Mays and is a power hitter who drivess in 100 runs per year. With that said, I would not give hive a 5 year contract at $16-$18 per year beginning in 2008. Too much risk when the team is operating with a strict budget. [see hampton, chipper with theiir injuries] So if the braves can get a good deal before August 15, go for it.

By Joe

August 3, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

It should be no secret that the Atlanta Braves need to move one of the Jones boys. While both are cornerstones of this team, the current avalable salary per year of approximately $85 million makes keeping the two of them next to impossible; especially since Andruw will be up for a new contract following next year.

I say get use to the idea folks…Andruw will almost certainly not be a Brave after this year. Shame, but that’s the way it is.

I can’t say I disagree with the notion either. That is unless the Braves are going to increase their payroll in the coming years by a considerable figure. I know this much; without Andruw’s and Marcus Giles’ salary (and yes, I think you are going to be looking at a new second baseman next year as well as a new center fielder) John Schureholz could add much needed starting pitching. Think about it, if the Jones trade that was proposed with Boston at the deadline had gone through, the Braves would already have added one surefire young stud starting pitcher (according to all I have read about the guy from up there), a very capable center fielder, and a good young arm in the bullpen - all while saving a ton of money. Add to that the deal that brought Aybar here from LA (while this fact seems to have been overlooked) which gives us a young, lead-off hitting second baseman for the future who won’t cost much for years too come; not to mention a solid bullpen guy who may be in line to close games past this year, and you have two trades that make you better.

Why you ask? Because you would have somewhere in the ballpark of $15 million or more to go out and get another frontline starting pitcher (anyone ever heard of Dontrelle Willis?). Now tell me that a rotation of Willis, Smoltz, Hudson, Boston pitcher and Hampton would not be as good as we have ever had here. Heck I’d pay to watch them. Plug Aybar in at lead-off or throw Crisp (the center fielder mentioned in the deal for Jones) in at the lead-off spot if Aybar isn’t working. either way, with the continued improvement of McCann, Leroche and Franceur in the middle of the lineup, Chipper batting third, plus what Crisp and Aybar can give you…I think we would be as exciting as ever. Trade Davies and Ramirez for some proven bullpen guys to go along with Wickman or Baez or both…I think you have a real winner. Schureholz knows what he wants and I trust him. Sure is going to stink seeing Jones and Giles leave but hey, it won’t be thi first time a great one got away…remember the Babe?

By Tommy

August 3, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

It makes perfect sense. The Braves won’t be able to resign Jones simply bc of his agent Boras. So they might as well get something for him while they can.

By Paul Hamilton

August 3, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

It is extremely rare to have a major deal after the deadline. Let’s make a big deal out of nothing! Woohoo!

By Yars

August 3, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

I love Andruw and will hate to see him in another uniform but we have to be realistic here. The Braves are not going to resign him after the 2007 season. They can’t afford to. Andruw will likely want a 5 year deal worth $85-90 million. There is some team out there that will give it to him, it’s just not going to be Atlanta. If he isn’t dealt in the next week, he will definitely be gone over the winter. I still think that the Braves have somewhat of a shot at the NL wildcard so I hope JS doesn’t make a move until after the season like at the winter meetings. Time is running out though. Chipper will be out another 2 weeks, the starting rotation is awful with the exception of Smoltz. We finally upgraded the bullpen. If JS had done that back in March, maybe we would be leading the NL wildcard and only 6-8 games behing the Mets. Both Wickman and Baez are quality relievers, I’ve liked what I’ve seen so far from them, but I hope it isn’t too late for the Braves to make a run at the NL wildcard. Hudson losing against the pathetic Pirates was disappointing. We need to sweep Cincy over the weekend, and then go on a 8-10 game losing streak. Time is running out.

By nathan

August 3, 2006 09:43 PM | Link to this

You nailed it right on the head salty.

I for one have been saying trade him ASAP, before we lose him to free agency and get nothing but draft picks in return. And even that is iffy, because in order to obtain draft picks, you must offer arbitration to a player. JS may choose not to do that, after doing that backfired with Maddux a couple of years ago. Because you can bet you life that Andruw would get upwards of 18 million if it went to arbitration!

But you just opened my eyes to a possibility of what may happen with Andruw, if they truely want to keep him beyond 2007. In my opinion, they could sign him to a longterm deal like Hudson’s deal. Cheap in the early years and backload the contract bigtime. That would allow them to retain Andruw at a reasonable cost UNTIL Chipper is gone and after Hampton is brushed aside! Plus, if they could talk him into renegotiating NOW (or before next season), they may be able to “lower” his pricetage next season with a new contract. Which would allow us to get more help, even if Liberty Media doesn’t allow the payroll to go up.

Of course the RISK of doing the deal that way can be easily explained, by comparing it to Chipper’s deal. If say, in two years Andruw has a BIG drop off in his play or a serious injury, then we’d be “on the hook” for a very expensive, overpaid player that wouldn’t be worth the dough!

So, start talking about it. As Braves fans do you want to retain him for the next few years, with the possibility that in 2 or 3 he could be more of a hinderance than one who can help? OR would you rather have Andruw playing in another uniform at a high level for the next couple of years, but our payroll is more balanced throughout the team, which allows us to improve the whole roster? Or keep him here at all cost, even though in 4 years we may regret it?

I still say move him if you can get 3 TOP NOTCH PITCHERS in return. But I highly doubt that is a possibility.

Start debating people.

PS: As for the people who claim they “have no respect” for the Braves for placing him on waivers. You obviously don’t understand how the non-waiver deadline trading system works. My guess is, is that every superstar the Braves have ever had on the roster, has been on waivers at one time or another. It doesn’t mean that JS wants to trade them. It’s just opening the door, in case an offer he can’t refuse comes his way. Believe me when I say that there is not one single player on the Braves or any other big league team (or minors) that could not be had. THEY ARE ALL AVAILABLE…….FOR A PRICE! Francoeur, could be had if somebody BLEW JS away with an offer. You may all complain that it’s disrespecting the players by making them “available”. But JS’s responsibility is to the ATLANTA BRAVES, not Andruw or any other player that thinks they are untouchable and/or above the team. (which btw, I doubt Andruw thinks). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, other than Smoltz, and maybe Chipper, NOBODY is more of an ATLANTA Braves icon than Dale Murphy. If Dale Murphy can get traded, anybody can. Just ask Justice! And don’t come back with the old “Yeah, but Murphy was at the end of the line” garbage. Yeah, he was. BUT HE WAS STILL A FAN FAVORITE, WASN’T HE?

What if Boston would come back and offer all those players that were rumored to be available, and JS had not put Andruw on waivers? Then what? Word would get out that the deal of a lifetime was available, and JS dropped the ball by not doing what needed to be done. Yeah, that’s a BID hypothetical, but it’s also reality!

Have fun everybody!

By Paul Hamilton

August 3, 2006 09:52 PM | Link to this

Joe,

While I do agree with a lot of your points and logic, there is no way in the world you can compare a rotation of smoltz,hudson, hampton, willis, and that boston player with some of the great ones we have had here. That rotation is not even in the same ballpark, although its a lot better than what we have right NOW. Nice post but lets not compare that bunch with 2 definite HOF/300 game winners (I think Glavine will get his 300th) and one borderline HOF in Smoltz in his prime. Not even close my friend!

By nathan

August 3, 2006 09:58 PM | Link to this

Joe & Lars

Well said, guys. At least somebody on these blogs understands the reality of baseball in the new millenium!

BTW, I obviously meant to type BIG not BID in the previous post. And I wasn’t neccessarily calling the “trade” with Boston was the deal of a lifetime, just using that one as an example.

And to get back to the Dale Murphy, thing. In my opinion, yes he was at the end of his career and was more so “dumped” than traded for any real value in the middle of one of the WORST Braves seasons ever. But it did open the door for Justice to get off 1B and to RF where he belonged. A move that instantly relaxed Justice more, which allowed him to win ROY with his second half stats alone. Anyhow, major tangent there, that wasn’t the point of this second post. My point was to be tell all of the people that are going to say Murphy was at the end and Andruw is in his prime. My response to that is this: Murphy shouldv’e been traded 2 or 3 years before he was, when he still had value. (Like Andruw does.) Alway better to sell too soon than to sell too late. (the letters CHIPPER begin to flash in my mind. LOL)

That’s all. I’ll stop typing now, for the time being!

By nathan

August 3, 2006 10:13 PM | Link to this

Just thought you would all like to know that I was just trolling through the ESPN sight, and noticed that Greg Maddux has a no hitter through 7 innings in his Dodger debut.

Apparently all he needed was a pennant race to wake his old a$$ up! LOL

Way to go Greg, I’m rootin’ for ya!

By Jimbo

August 3, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

Trade Andruw? Sounds like a great idea. Trade Fatso and the Midget for some real talent. Fatso can’t hit in the clutch…and tries to pull pitches thrown in the other batter’s box. The Midget thinks he’s a home run hitter. Have you seen his joke of a swing? Get more guys like Renteria who know how to play the game. Bring in some real talent. Do it JS!

By gasman

August 3, 2006 10:26 PM | Link to this

if the braves trade him it will rank up there with the trade of brett butler.STUIPD

By 2 homo boys

August 3, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

My boyfriend and I both agree that this would be a smart move to trade Andruw now while the Braves can get something of value for him,he is in his prime now and could bring us just what we need,there is no better time than right now to trade him.The Braves waited to long to trade Dale Murphy,they should have traded him 2 to 3 yrs before they did.ever heard the old proverb he who hesites is lost,well JS and the Braves are gonna be lost if they don’t trade Andruw now.His trade value right now is high,so do it before it drops. Scott Boras is his agent and you can bet all the tea in china that Andruw will be gone when his contract is up.Boras knows how to drive a players cost up.he will drive it up so high that the Braves can’t afford him. JS has a tendency to fart around too much to improve the team,look how long it took him to upgrade the bullpen.stop farting around JS and trade Andruw now,The young guys like Francouer and mcCann and Thorman,Laroche,are all capable of putting up Andruw type numbers.In addition to Andruw,it is time to move Giles,we got us a leadoff hitter in Aybar so it is time to move Giles and free up his salary.so go for it JS and trade both before it is too late.

By 2 homo boys

August 3, 2006 10:32 PM | Link to this

typo error,meant to say hesitates

By Rob S.

August 3, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

Even the AJC article says this is routine. Every team does this because it keeps them from being hamstringed in case something does come up. It says the Braves do it every year. I bet he’s been on waivers before along with Chipper and even the Big 3 pitchers. So what exactly is the big deal all of a sudden??

By nathan

August 3, 2006 10:43 PM | Link to this

gasman…..I suppose you also thought that trading Doyle Alexander was a mistake too, didn’t you?

btw….the no-hitter for maddux was through six innings, not seven.

I’m listening to it on MLB.com Radio, and it just got out of the 46 minute rain delay, and Maddux is out of the game. Bummer.

But good job anyhow, in his Dodger debut. I think I’d have a frickin heart attack if any Braves starter not named JOHN SMOLTZ would actually go *2 innings without giving up a hit, much less six!

Way to hold that 1st inning lead today HUDSON!

By Insane Brave

August 3, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this

Rob S, I hope you’re right that Chipper and the big 3 had been on waivers before. Most everyone on this blog is saying trade AJ in order to get something for him (before his value goes down). So to make sure I understand this: Trade a guy that is 29 years old before his skills diminish. Probably a good comparison to Andruw would be Jim Edmunds. Since he turned 30 (2000 season) Edmunds has hit 226 Hrs and has 649 RBIs. Now, if you apply those numbers to AJ (and I believe he will produce more than the aforementioned), then he will have approximately 552 HRs and 1,635 RBIs, to include another potential 3-4 gold gloves (12 for a career). All of this before the age of 36 (in actuality, Andruw has 7 yrs to reach these numbers; hence he may be closer to 600 HRs and 1,750 RBIs).

If JS believe Andruw is on the decline, then I too say trade him. However, you better get a $hit load for him.

By SAL

August 3, 2006 10:56 PM | Link to this

I would not be shocked if Andrew, Chipper, Giles, and Smoltz were all on the waiver list. In fact, I would be shocked if most of the veterans are not on the waiver list. It is a business. It is not disrespectful to the players unless the team leaks it out to the world.

Would I like to see Andrew in CF for another 5 years? Heck yea. Would I want to negotiate with Scott Boras? Heck NO. Didn’t Andrew and his dad do an end run on Boras last time? Bet it does not happen in 2008. So, what is wrong with trading Andrew if you get equal or better value in return, especially if you fill multiple needs for him? I believe that would be better than a supplemental draft pick or two for losing a free agent. I don’t recall who said he would rather trade a player a year to early rather than a year to late, but it certainly makes sense as far as what you get in return. Murphy was a prime example of this. Keeping him that last year kept the Braves from getting any talent from the Phillies.

If you subtract one of the Jones boys, Giles, and Thomson you probably free up around $20 million. This probably is more than enough to keep Wickman and Baez in the pen if Braves want them back plus provides flexibility to pursue free agents this winter. The right trade could allow the Braves to return to the top in 2007.

By Insane Brave

August 3, 2006 11:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Sal,

Something tells me that we will not replace those guys. You will see Aybar at 2nd, Chipper at 3rd, Langerhans in CF, Diaz and Thurman platooning in LF, with Prado and Pena on the bench. We may attempt to keep Baez but Wickman will be gone. Hence, JS is looking to reduce payroll and bring in guys that are marginal, in hopes that they will be productive. Also, if this happens, Chipper will be in the cleanup spot. And when he goes down, it will be Frenchy against lefties and Adam against righties.

By BirdHahn

August 3, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

Funny. People here talking about what the Braves will “get” for Andruw, but not really considering what the Braves will “lose.” Any team trading for Jones will want value for value. The net gain for the Braves won’t be as great as many here assume. The best starting pitching in the league doesn’t guarantee a win. You still have to score.

By big yaz bread

August 3, 2006 11:07 PM | Link to this

Gee what a surprise! The crack staff breaks the story about Andruw on waivers only 5 or 6 hours after I was told I was nuts by several bloggers, Lew etc. For posting the story. Seems like the Eagle Tribune in little old Lawrence Ma broke the story. Great job again AJC. Keep up the good work!

By Charlie

August 3, 2006 11:09 PM | Link to this

You know, the Marlins unloaded all their expensive talent, loaded up on quality prospects and oh by the way those quality prospects happen to be doing just as good as the Braves are with a payroll that is 1/8 of the Braves. If JS can get the right players in a trade, make the trade. Especially this year. We need to stop kidding ourselves, all the wild card would get the Braves is 3 to 4 post season games against the Mets. JS needs to figure out how to strengthen the team, specifically starting pitching, to compete in years to come.

By nathan

August 3, 2006 11:10 PM | Link to this

insane brave

I’ve been adamant in my stance on Andruw for the last 2 months.

In no way shape or form am I saying that he is in decline or for sure will be in decline. But he already takes up about 20 percent of the payroll. LOOK AT OUR PITCHING STAFF. He would have to hit about 75-80 HR, have about 220 RBI and make enough run saving catches to earn two gold gloves, to help us win the ammount of games to get in the post season, if this is all the better we can “afford” for a pitching staff.

I don’t attempt to make myself sound smarter than I actually am. I can honestly say, I’m not sure what available pitchers should at least be attempted to be had! But I do know that next year Hampton, Chipper, Hudson and Andruw will make around (give or take) 43 million of the 80-85 million payroll we have been allowed.

It doesn’t take a mathematician to “do the math” and see that the remaining 40 million or so, would buy us……..well, it would by us exactly the pitching staff we HAVE RIGHT NOW! A bunch of has beens and never will be’s! The part about those numbers that’s hard to swallow, is the fact that Chipper can still play, but can’t stay on the field anymore. Who the hell knows WHAT we’re gonna get out of Hampton? But the way I look at it, it can’t be any worse than what he gave us this year:) LOL! And quite honestly, ANYTHING above the league minimum for Tim Hudson, is TOO MUCH! Take a look people, his numbers aren’t much better than Jorge Sosa’s were. AND HE JUST GOT DUMPED FOR A GUY THAT PROBABLY NEVER STEPS FOOT ON THE MOUND AT TURNER FIELD!

Like I said, it’s about the economics, not the player. Blame Time AOL, blame Ted Turner for selling, blame Liberty Media, blame whoever you want. But, I say blame the chokers who make JS look like a moron: Dan Kolb, Kyle Farnsworth, Chris Reitsma, Jorge Sosa, Tim Hudson etc…. Blame the players making big bucks on a mediocre to above average payroll that can’t stay on the field: Chipper, Thomson, Hampton etc…

That’s all for now.

That’s all I’m saying. If Liberty Media comes in and says to JS: “hey, we’re gonna give you another 20 million to work with”

Then you ABSOLUTELY retain Andruw long term. Because eventually Chipper, Hampton and hopefully Hudson will be gone. But this will start all over again, because by then, McCann and Francoeur etc…. will be up for their payday. Oh Well, that’s life in baseball economics, I guess.

By sam

August 3, 2006 11:13 PM | Link to this

We need to be realistic! The braves must unload one or more big salaries before the braves can rebuild. As I recall, some of these huge salaries wer negotiated before the cap on the budget was implemented. This was a huge curve ball throw at JS. His hands remain tied unless he can get rid of at least one of the these guys. Two would be preferable to me.

By Insane Brave

August 3, 2006 11:21 PM | Link to this

Nathan, I wasn’t pointing directly at you about AJ in decline. It just appears to be a common theme. I also do not disagree with the economics of baseball; however, JS should have held preliminary talks w/ Andruw and Boras about a contract extension. And if the numbers were looking too high, then yes, shop the he!! out Andruw. But something tells me this has not happened. Some of you that keep up with the Braves and know more about JS, understand that I am shooting in the dark because I do not know his negotiation strategy.

Question for anyone: With a pending sale of a team, would the buyer and/or seller attempt to block such a move on a star player?

By Mike C.

August 3, 2006 11:59 PM | Link to this

Maybe this has something to do with new ownership coming in and a possible loss of payroll flexibility. I’d take Lester, Hansen and Crisp in a heartbeat for Andruw and he’s my favorite Major League player.

By sam

August 4, 2006 12:00 AM | Link to this

Insane Brave I would think JS has had conversations with the projected new ownership regarding a nubmer of issues, including salaries of certain players, including AJ’s

By dewan lee

August 4, 2006 12:04 AM | Link to this

Best damn move besides picking up Kolb or maybe picking up Reitsma. You are right on it with the speedy leadoff guy we aquired for that worthless 3B,SS,2B. That new guy has what 12 steals this week. I guess that is why you get paid the big bucks. I have a suggestion how about we trade Chipper for a package of Rex Hudler, Jim Vant, and Jorge Sosa. I also think that Pete Orr has earned more playing time as he should bat 3rd, Pratt 4th, Langy 5th, Jordan 2nd, and then the rest can fir wherever else. Just my opinion.

By ant

August 4, 2006 12:16 AM | Link to this

i think that trading andruw will be a mistake there are just some guys that are untradable and he is one of them. Now i do believe that willy aybar will be our second baseman next year but come on, trading andruw for what people think is stupid, besides i believe that too many teams will claim him on waivers and nothing will get done. Nobody expecially the yankees, twins, and white sox want boston to get him. the playoff race is too tight, and we are still in a race ourselves. trading him will be throwing in the towel. and i want to believe that this team will fight till the end. Also with his contract coming up i believe that Andruw loves atl so much he will take less money to stay here. You have to rememeber not everyone in baseball is worried about money, some players still have loyalty.

By Doug

August 4, 2006 12:26 AM | Link to this

Trade him. He is leeching up too much of the Braves’ salary to keep him. Sure he is a great player, but with the amount of money the Braves would have to pay him they can pay for few good players. Trade him!

By DHD

August 4, 2006 12:28 AM | Link to this

It’s a smart move because somebody might get desperate and overpay us for him. I hope we put others on the waiver wire too.

By dewan lee

August 4, 2006 12:42 AM | Link to this

I hate to play the villian here but Manny was put on waivers by the Sox and he is still there. Aybar is no leadoff batter as he cant run and his bat is unaccomplished as we saw with his un clutch hitting today. Put Betemit in that spot and he would have come through once if not both times especially with one out and needing a hit or flyball out of the IF to bring in a run. I am not hating on this guy but Pena can run and he is the best damn defensive SS I have ever seen here and that is to include Pac Man (Belliard for those of you that forgot). He can play 2B as all SS can play 2B or third but not all 2B can play SS

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 12:43 AM | Link to this

Here’s how I see it. The Braves need to ask Andruw if he wants to stay a Brave. If he says he does, then have him sign an extension now or soon after the season is over. If he waivers at all or says he wants to wait until the end of next season then that should tell the Braves front office that he very well could go somewhere else. I love Andruw to death and would be the first to shed a tear about his departure. However, the front office has to worry about the ENTIRE team. If Andruw really wants to stay in Atlanta he will sign a extension now. Why wait unless he wants to test the waters or simplyy drive up the price. In either case that is a bad thing for the Braves. If he isn’t going to committ to staying then the Braves should deal him and look toward the future. And lets get something straight. No trade involving Andruw will be of equal value. Its ludicrous to think that it would. But, its in the best interest of team to get what you can get.

Call the Red Sox in the offseason and discuss the deal for Crisp and Hansen again. Don’t haggle about Lester because he isn’t going anywhere and if I were Theo Epstein I wouldn’t put him in a trade either. JS can simply demand one of their other pitching prospects. The Braves can then take the roughly 8 million dollars they would have and look for a power hitting left fielder in free agency to help fill the void. If JS is intent on demanding Lester then he may would have to offer Hudson or LaRoche as part of the deal. I think Thorman can be an everyday 1B.

By Brad

August 4, 2006 12:46 AM | Link to this

Just remember the last time the Braves signed Jones, he somehow got Boras out of the picture. Jones has said he wants to be a Brave, so I can see him pulling something similiar again this time.

If they do trade him, wait till next year, he is under contract next year.

By BW

August 4, 2006 12:50 AM | Link to this

How can you trust the judgement of JS in picking up pitchers? When was the last time he made a good decision in this area? Trading Andruw for “potential” arms is bad business and bad baseball. And exactly which quality, equivalently value players swould the Braves get in return?

By TommyA

August 4, 2006 01:03 AM | Link to this

Not that my opinion matters or changes things, but I think the Braves would be making a huge mistake in trading Andruw Jones. He is arguably the best cf of all time. His power and ability to drive in runs is one thing, but the guy takes away as many runs as he drives in. That said, there is no one cf in the games that can do both of these things as well as Andruw. He is a future hall of famer. He is still young. This would be like the Yankees trading Mantle or Dimaggio in their prime. Pay the money and cut the fat elsewhere.

P.S. Time Warner and Liberty Media suck. They need to stay out of baseball and allow someone who cares to own the franchise.

By gotigers72

August 4, 2006 01:04 AM | Link to this

Shocker!!! Looks like the fire sale has started. The best centerfielder in baseball should draw some major interest and major names in a trade. 3 reasons IMO. 1 - He continues to be pull happy, and is headed toward a .250 average, worse than that with RISP 2 - His sometimes nonchalant play, such as letting LoDuca take second when he didn’t get the ball back in due to his nonchalance and 3 - His contract runs out next year and his agent is Boras.

I think the Braves see that they aren’t gonna make the playoffs this year, so it’s time to throw out some bait and see if the fish are biting. I think they realize that it’s time to rebuild, and it is. Grady Sizemore from Cleveland would be a good replacement, but I don’t think Cleveland would have the 1 or 2 starters the Braves would need to complete the trade.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 01:06 AM | Link to this

Here is whats bad business. To have a player of Andruw’s worth, know the chances of him to resign with you are slim to none, and then letting him go into free agency and not trading him, thus getting nothing at all. That is not smart. Ask the Nationals around December or so how smart it was to keep Soriano when (no matter what he says) he signs with the Angels, Red Sox, Dodgers, or White Sox. The Nationals could have traded him at the deadline and got something of value in return. The White Sox and Angels were ready to give the Nats what they wanted. Why did they not trade him. Same with Andruw. I would prefer him to stay a Brave above anything else but baseball is a business. If Andruw really wants to stay a Brave he would sign an extension in the offseason. Remember last year with Furcal. The Braves wanted to sign an extension with him in the beginning of the year. Well, he didn’t want to do that because he was playing poorly and knew he wouldn’t get as much as he wanted. Then late in the season when he started hitting better he wanted to talk a deal and the front office told him that it would have to wait until the season was over. The Braves tried to get him to sign an extension in spring training. You should have known right then and there when he hedged about signing a deal that he wanted to “test the waters” thus putting the Braves in a vulnerable position. Furcal said all year last year that he would resign and he wanted to be a Brave for life. Well, JS believed him and then got stuck looking like a fool without a SS. He made a heck of a deal and got Renteria. He may not get so lucky again. If Andruw hedges at all, he has got to go. Pure and siimple. You can’t take that sort of chance again. Bad business.

By Rip

August 4, 2006 01:16 AM | Link to this

The Red Sox, White Sox,LAA,LAD,and NYY are interested. Now is the time if he gets by waivers. Three top players, less money sounds good. I love AJ but money and Boras makes trading him worth while now.Good to see JS has put his book down and started back to work.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 01:21 AM | Link to this

If Atlanta were to trade Andruw only a few teams would be in contention. The Red Sox would be one and we know what they would have to offer. The White Sox are another team. I think a trade that would bring Posednik either Garland or Vasquez would be a very fruitful deal. The Sox aren’t giving up McCarthy for anybody so that is a pipe dream. Iguchi would be nice to add in the deal but Prado really should get first dibs at second. Anyway, the Angels would be another team. The Angels have plenty of pitching to provide mainly Erwin Santana. If they threw in Chonne Figgins and one of their prize prospects the deal would be a good one. The Rangers could afford it but they don’t have much pitching to offer. Now, if they would give us Michael Young and Mark Texiera it would be something to think about. The Astros are an option but other than Roy Oswalt there is no one they could give us of true value.

If anyone else other than those teams were to be involved in a trade it would definitely have to be a three way trade.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot one team. The Detroit Tigers. The could give us Gunderson, Guillen, and one of their pitchers (starter or reliever). Question is would the Tigers make this deal? I believe the answer would be yes. Andruw’s defense is made for that spacious park. He would give them another big bat in the lineup.

By Jay

August 4, 2006 01:27 AM | Link to this

We need to trade Andruw before its too late. Many reasons that include…

The ONLY way I would say to keep Andruw is if he pulled a Javy Lopez and hired a personal trainer and got into shape. Otherwise, there is no way he keeps up his current level of play.

I also think that Braves Brass wants to break up the Jones boys because it hasnt worked and they are both past their primes.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 01:32 AM | Link to this

I’ll tell you this. I truly believe the next two weeks are going be very big in the history of Braves’ baseball. I think JS wants to see if this team has the heart (because they have the ability) to honestly compete for a playoff spot. Because if they don’t then we may see Andruw traded. This series with the Reds is huge because Andruw’s 10/5 status goes into effect sometime toward the end of next week. If Andruw truly wants to remain a Brave and his teammates truly want him to stay, then they better show it this weekend and next week against the Phillies becuase otherwise I think there is a good possiblity this time next week Mr. Jones could be elsewhere. Mark my words, people. I don’t want to hear that dribble about hundreds of players get placed on waivers and its no big deal. The reason they get placed on waivers is that particular team is praying someone will claim them or they want to see what kind of trade interest arises.

By serbok

August 4, 2006 01:50 AM | Link to this

sounds to me as tho~this is baseball business as usual~tho~i wasnt aware it worked this wy~

By TommyA

August 4, 2006 01:51 AM | Link to this

I am tired of people using the Marlins as a reference of how the “business” of baseball should be run. I live in Miami and the constant selling off of their team takes a toll on the business. Most Marlins games attendance looks like the Expos. People lose interest fast in those kind of teams. Sure, people begin to show up to the games at the end of the season, when they are winning, but in the first 3/4 of the season there is very little interest, therefore they are losing big time money. Sure, people want to see their team win, but they also invest in seeing great players or heroes aid their team to victory (Michael Vick helped the falcons become a great business by being such a player) The Marlins are not running a good business. As a matter of fact, the Marlins may not exist in the next few years.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 01:52 AM | Link to this

Honestly, the Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, and Tigers are the only teams that can give the Braves what they need in return for Andruw. The Braves need a leadoff hitter, speed, and pitching. Those are the only teams that can do that.

I don’t think Andruw has declined or is getting weak defensively. Thats utter non-sense. My reason for trading him would be to not put the team in a difficult situation where they become stuck without a centerfielder like they were a SS.

I just don’t think that some of you are seeing the big picture. You all continously gripe about how all the salary is wrapped up in five players (Jones’, Smoltz, Hudson, and Hampton) and the orginization is handcuffed to make the team better because of these deals. You’re right about that. These deals were made when money wasn’t an object and then Time Warner pulled the rug from underneath JS and left him holding the bag and telling him to fix the problem. Well, three of the five deals just can’t be fixed. The Braves would be crazy not to exercise Smolt’s contract for what he will get paid. Andruw, on the other hand, his contract can be fixed. If you people don’t think he won’t command at least 17 mil, you’re nuts. And if you think that the Braves should pay him that at the expense of making the team better then you are certifiably insane! Don’t let what the Marlins are doing fool you. A lot of luck is going on down there. Yes, they are super talented but the fact of the matter is that team has holes it can’t fill because it doesnn’t have the payroll. And sooner than later that talent will all be gone. The chances of Willis and Cabrerra being there next year are slim at best. And if those two aren’t there you won’t see next year what you are seeing this year. You’re basially wanting JS to tie 1/4 of the payroll up into one guy. This isn’t basketball. This is baseball and you can’t operate like that. Hell, the Yankees don’t operate like that.

I bet its times like this when baseball GMs wish there were no guaranteed contracts.

By Brian

August 4, 2006 02:11 AM | Link to this

I swear if the Braves trade either Chipper or Andrew I’ll never watch another Atlanta game again!

By Tomahawkin

August 4, 2006 03:32 AM | Link to this

Dat Is Some Bull Shyt…If We get Rid of Andruw, I’m gonna be pissed, I guess thats what Loyalty, is however…

I guess I see, Why David Justice, and Brian Jordan, was pi-s-s-e-d when they were dealt…

By TONY HARMON

August 4, 2006 04:58 AM | Link to this

LET’S FACE IT! ANDREW HITS 30 TO 35 HOMERS EVERY YEAR. HE IS A BONAFIED GOLD GLOVE CENTER FIELDER. THESE ARE A GIVEN! BUT, LET’S GET REAL. THE GUY IS OVER WEIGHT AND HIS SKILLS ARE SLOWLY DECLINING. HE MISSED A DEEP DRIVE THE OTHER DAY, THAT HE NORMALLY CATCHES. THIS GUY WILL NEVER BE A CLUTCH HITTER. HE WILL NEVER HIT ABOVE .265 THE REST OF HIS CAREER. SO, WHY NOT TRADE HIM BEFORE HE EATS HIMSELF OUT OF BASEBALL.

1—TIM HUDSON 2—JOHN THOMPSON 3—CHIPPER JONES(INJURY PRONE) 4—HERACIO RAMIREZ 5—KYLE DAVIES 6—MIKE HAMPTON 7—TODD PRATT 8—PETE ORR 9—MARCUS “THE MIDGET” GILES 10—ANDREW JONES 11—RYAN LANGERHANS

SOME OF THESE PLAYERS ARE DEAD BEATS, SOME ARE INJURY PRONE, AND SOME ARE JUST SORRY.. IT’S TIME TO REBUILD NOW! LET’S GO BRAVES!

By Plate O' Meat

August 4, 2006 06:11 AM | Link to this

I’m moving to Boston in a month - so go ahead and make the trade, JS! The Braves will find a way to screw up whoever they get in return and the Sox, who are already the best defensive team in baseball, will be loaded and primed to throttle the Yankees on the way to another WS title!!

By Nikki

August 4, 2006 06:17 AM | Link to this

Braves of the late 80s, here we come. :(

By Nikki

August 4, 2006 06:21 AM | Link to this

Let me get this straight. Andrew, who plays almost every day and is gold glover, can be traded. Chipper is untouchable though. Chipper is a player who is injured and not in the lineup more than he has actually played these last few years. Give me a friggin’ break!!!!

By Old Fart

August 4, 2006 07:02 AM | Link to this

Let’s see, Chipper’s a part-time player and Smoltz has won nine games; but they are ten and five, so we can’t trade them. Hudson’s a bust, and Giles will soon be over-priced.

Wait! Let’s trade Andruw, the best defensive outfielder ever to play the game and a guy who plays every day, hits 30+ home runs and drives in over a hundred every year. Yeah, that’s a good idea. I think I’m becoming a Marlins fan.

Go, Andruw! Boo, Braves!

By tim

August 4, 2006 07:10 AM | Link to this

andruw has been a huge part of the braves success but face the facts,with boras as his agent there are only two teams that will pay that money and they both reside in NY. this season has shown its time to begin rebuilding trade the man while he is still hot. the braves can get a lot for andruw. i would like to thank him for everything he has done in a braves uniform he has been nothing but class. i hope he stays but those days of hero’s staying with one team their entire career are over

By JB

August 4, 2006 07:11 AM | Link to this

DOB, are you just trying to stir the pot? It’s as though you love pointing out the flaws in the Braves’ front office decisions, and now, you surprise Andruw Jones with information that doesn’t really mean anything. As you wrote, the Braves routinely put players on waivers. The Braves’ TBS announcers have commented on the waiver situation in the past — in particular, that we’d be shocked by the number of players placed on waivers by different teams without any real intent to trade the players.

Anyway, this story is fine in isolation, but you seem obsessed with running the Braves as though they were your own fantasy team. You keep suggesting that the Braves should trade Hudson, and you occassionally hint that Chipper might need to go (though less forcefully). The Braves can trade neither without suffering serious credibility issues because both signed for a hometown discount. Of course, when you manage as though the Braves are a fantasy team, such concerns never arise.

At the same time, you also insisted the terms that the Braves should deal Betemit. Honestly, the Braves received far more than you were willing to settle for when you insisted on the Yankees reliever who had had major arm surgery.

So, please don’t pretend to be an investigative reporter any more, and don’t fantasy manage the Braves. First, you aren’t uncovering much. Second, it’s painfully clear that JS is a far better GM than you or any Marlins GM you covered could ever be.

By chris

August 4, 2006 07:24 AM | Link to this

I am done with the Braves. You can’t keep getting rid of players with the talent of Andrew Jones. The man is onlt 29 years old. Once they get rid of him whos next. All the young talent that came to the Braves last year are going to get the same treatment when their contract expires as well

By billy g

August 4, 2006 07:26 AM | Link to this

Andru has been a phenomenal player for us. However, his play would have less impact for this team than two good starting pitchers.

We have several young, talented players in the minors that are waiting for their chance to start in the outfield. And to make matters worse, Andru will be due a sharp raise after next season. Clearly, AOL has no intention of paying him the big money, so it may be time to trade Andru.

If only we could do the same with Hampton and Chipper.

By KneeJerk

August 4, 2006 07:36 AM | Link to this

“He will never hit above .265” Good one, and even if he didn’t….who cares? He’ll drive in 130. I’ll take the RUNS driven in over the hits. TOMMY A: Good point on the Marlins. I live in Jupiter and also know this team has NO fan base. People in Seattle know as much about this team than the folks in SoFla do. It looks like 1988 in Fulton Co. Stadium in that place. It’s a nice story, because the kids (who still have a losing record) are not terrible. If it was such a successful franchise, why would they keep starting over?

By KneeJerk

August 4, 2006 07:39 AM | Link to this

Oh, and about the Andruw for Posednik and Garland deal and the Andruw for the flovor of the week prospects from Boston and Crisp… who’s going to drive in 1/2 of the runs that Andruw does? Please say you were joking with the White Sox deal. Surprised nobody mentioned any overhyped New York prospects in their dillusional what-ifs.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

The people who are for keeping Andruw at all cost are missing the big picture. Ultimately the Braves have no say so in if Andruw stays if they don’t trade him by the time his 10/5 status kicks in. I know Andruw says he wants to stay but so did Sheffield, Drew, Furcal, Glavne, Maddux, and Jaret Wright. They all wanted to be “Braves for life”. Well, none of them stayed now did they. And in every one of those cases what the Braves get in return? That is right absolutely nothing.

All of you seem to think Andrwu will take another deal making only 13 mil a year. If you believe that, you are a fool. Andruw is the best centerfielder of our time. If he asks for less than $17 mil a year, it would be a miracle. During these economic times for the Braves think about how much that extra 4 mil really is. Look at the everyday lineup for the Braves. The salaries of Francoeur, McCann, LaRoche, Langerhans come up to about 1.5 mil. Renteria is making about 3 mil. For the Braves to give Andruw that extra 4 mil some people will have to go. The reason Chipper can’t be traded is not because he is the “icon” and can’t go anywhere, so you Chipper bashers can get off your high horse. Use some common sense. Chipper is owed a lot of money and has had injuries problems the last couple of years. Chipper is 34. Andruw is 29. Pretty simple to me. Hampton can’t be traded because he is owed 14.5 mil and hasn’t pitched in a year. As for Hudson, I think he should go as well. In fact, I bet if he would have been included in the Boston deal the Red Sox would have pulled the trigger. Because of the amount Hudson is owed after next year only a few teams can afford his contract. The other thing about all of those players is that they are all here for another few years guaranteed. Andruw is not. He can freakin’ leave after next year. Yes, he told Boras to go take a hike the last time, but that was then. This is now. Andruw can get paid and he knows it.

For the Braves it is purely economic. These are the times that we live. You can’t wrap up 20-25% of your payroll into one player. That is silly. If you want to do that, be prepared to play with nothing but kids and hope that lightening in a bottle happens twice and the Braves can do what the Marlins have done. Otherwise truly get ready for the ’80s. Yes, the 80s with the great Dale Murphy and a bunch of kids and hasbeens losing 90+games a year. Yippeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark my words that is exactly what will happen. In the next few years Frenchy, McCann, Davies, James, and Thorman will all be eligible for arbitration and if they continue to play as they have so far they will be making lots of money. Money the Braves won’t be able to pay because they have the payroll wrapped up in one guy. Can you say trades?

The only hope is that the new owners do increase payroll but unless all of you know something I don’t there is no indication that will happen.

By Matt M.

August 4, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

I agree with Tommy A. Keep AJones b/c he probably will take a hometown discount. Do away with the others that are expensive. When is Hamptons contract up? Smoltz has 1 more year, CJones 2-3. We need more contact hitters and starting pitchers. We have an extreme amount of power. AJones-40HR, ALaroche-30HRs, JFranceour-30HRs, CJones-25HRs, Giles, Renti, McCann-15 HRs each and Thorman can possibly hit 30 if he played everyday. Laroche is going to be good as long as he get to play everyday. I love AJones and I would never want to see him traded. With that said, everyone has a price and a fast, slaphitting CF and a proven ace starter. That might be hard to refuse. I think our bullpen is set. All these guys: Stockman, Yates, Paronto, Ray, Wickman, Baez make a very good bullpen.

By Joe C

August 4, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Scott Boras is the devil. There is no way the braves can afford to keep him so I say get any think you can for him. The earlier you trade him the more you will get. Teams don’t want to give up too much for a few month rental, so trade him now or in the off-season.

Also what do you guys think of the team dying the turf the same color as the 70’s braves uniforms? I just feel like playing of baby blue sod will help the team chemistry.

By Matt M.

August 4, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Brian, your not a fan anyway. Plate, good luck in Boston. Give the Yankees hell. Nicki, CJones is hard to trade b/c he is always hurt. Who wants to pick up a contract for a guy who’s on the DL for 50 games a year. I don’t want to trade AJones, but we have plenty of guys who could do what he does batting #4.
I love AJones, but I love the Braves more. If we can get a deal, then get it. I would rather have a surplus of starting pitching than anything.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Knee Jerk, I was not joking with the deal. If you would have actually read everything I said I said that with the extra money the Braves could get a good younger free agent who could definitely help produce those numbers. Francoeur, McCann, and LaRoche are getting better and their RBI production will increase. This offense needs a leadoff hitter. You don’t think so? Look at yesterday’s game and every other game we lose because we can’t score runs because they don’t come via the homerun. Check to see the last time the Braves won a game without hitting a home run?

By Matt M.

August 4, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Another thing, don’t blame the Braves for the money situation. MLB’s Union is killing MLB for the fans and every fan knows it. Contracts are ridiculously high and players have alot of control about where they go (which is good) until it hurts a team. There should be a cap, like in the NFL, that way the teams talent will be more evenly spread like the NFL. Agents are helping destroy the game and I blame them for the loyalty. Teams don’t want to lose their star players via free agency so they trade them 1 year prior to the end of their contract and it kills us fans. Blame MLB Union and the players, not the clubs. The players typically get what they want and the clubs are forced to play catch up by overpaying or not making good trades to help their clubs.

By 59bulldawg

August 4, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

What? Trade Andruw? You’ve got to be kidding me! TL-AOL why don’t you just tear out my heart instead? A Curacao curse on you! May Braves fans everywhere never again buy another TL-AOL product or service and may your market share shrink so far into oblivian that you’ll never again be financially able to own a sports franchise only to boost your bottom line while running it straight into the ground. The TL-AOL execs have their collective heads so far up their asses they’re light years away from daylight. Andruw is a fan favorite and this would be a major PR disaster for a team supposedly looking for ways to increase attendance. I know we need changes, but look there has to be a better way. Plus you’re wanting to ditch the wrong Jones! Aside from having a crappy service, it’s no wonder AOL-TL is laying off another 5,000 employees. They’re complete idiots.

By Choppin Bob

August 4, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

i come in with a hangover and now this s—t! what a way to start a friday. if andruw leaves i could only think there will be some angry fans that will want to burn down the ted!

By Matt M.

August 4, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Also, many have pointed out, we need to have money left in 3 years for Frenchy, McCann, Laroche, James, Davies. I have an idea. Boston wants AJones and they now need a catcher. AJones and BPena to Boston for the guys that JS asked for. What does eveybody think. We have alot of good catchers (Pena/Salty) as well as an extra OF or two (Langy, Diaz, Thorman). We have plenty to trade and plenty to keep in order to keep payroll down for our boys in 3 years.

By insaneBrave

August 4, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

I say trade Andruw straight up for Barroid Bonds,they both have used steroids.

By Dennis

August 4, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Keep Andruw. Put Chipper, Hudson and Giles out there and see what happens.

By Matt M.

August 4, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Nobody is going to want CJones, we are stuck w/ him. Why doesn’t anybody understand that. He gets hurt too much.

By steve

August 4, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

This move was made probably to test the interest in Andruw. There will be no deal done this season. It will give the Braves an idea of what they can do in the off season or in the spring. I would beat at the beginning of spring training Andruw is still a Brave but by the time the 10/5 kicks in, if he has not resigned at a reasonable amount he will be traded. It will not happen this season though. I would much rather see the Braves trade Chipper than Andruw. The problem there is Chippers injuries, age and he does not draw as much interest from other team as Andruw (wonder why mmmmm). I wish there was a way to cut ties with Hampton, maybe he will retire if he doesn’t fully recover from the injuries. That would solve a big problem with Andruws salary. If they could unload Hudson that would surely help also. The Braves are close and only need a few key people, starting pitching mostly. If Boyer and Foster come back next year, our bullpen will be ok. Baez and Wickman diffently help out. So a starter or two and some bench help and we are back in the running.

By Brent

August 4, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

I love the way the writer tries to stir up trouble by saying that “Andruw is surprised.”

Also note that Andruw said that he, “doesn’t know what it means.”

Why not? Well, because putting a guy on waivers means bascially nothing, in the sense that many/most players get placed on waivers.
Sportswriters trying to stir up trouble, that’s what it means!

By Hal

August 4, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Yea thats the idea trade the best center fielder that has roamed the planet for the last30 years !! Then lets sighn some “proven talent” for instance maybe another Mike Hampton..maybe a Tim Hudson or two

Then lets ignore the fact we have no lead off hitter ,no left fielder that everyone thats any good in the bullpen is free agent after this year

What do we have? Braves baseball ‘07 ,not a pretty site but then it hasnt been for a while ,just took a few other teams (Mets,Marlins improving to bring it into focus)

By KC

August 4, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

This is molehill turned into a mountain. Andruw isn’t going anywhere right now. It’s doubtful that he’ll be going anywhere this winter either. IF the right offer comes along, the Braves might consider asking him to waive his 10-5 veto powers, and accept a trade to NY, LA, Boston, or someplace like that. But it’s doubtful that the Braves will receive an offer attractive enough to give up his presence in the middle of the lineup and in center field next year.

The Braves are really looking forward to next season (not that they’ve given up on this season). Next year they’ll have Hampton back to bolster the rotation, and they’re looking forward to making a legitimate World Series run in 07. Andruw factors into that goal quite heavily. He’s not going anywhere folks.

By insaneBrave

August 4, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

I told you how to do it JS,Andruw straight up for Barroid Bonds,they use steroids.

By JC FROM INDY

August 4, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

You know the Braves are just like all the sports teams in Atlanta, they suck! I don’t understand why on earth they keep cry-baby chipper, skipper whatever his name is. They’ve made bad moves for the last couple of years, which perhaps is their reasoning for not doing well beyond the regular season.

Why would you put your best player on waivers. Andrew, move tell them to trade you as soon as possible. You don’t want to continue to play for an organzation that doesn’t respect your abilities. Tell them to keep paying chipper and hampton all that money for no reason.

Way to go Braves. Your just like the Falcons and Hawks You suck. By the way did I mention that the manager for the Braves is horrible

By Mike

August 4, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

geez nathan and robert, why don’t you just write a book…anyway, Andrew Jones is the only ironman the braves have out there. He hardly ever gets hurt and is the best defensive center fielder in the game. He should and deserves to be a lifelong Brave in my SHORT opinion…

By Ken

August 4, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

I have tickets, hotel reservations, and rental car ready for next week’s series with the Brewers. If they trade Andruw, I will keep my butt in Virginia. There will be two more empty seats in Turner Field. But I don’t think the front office cares anyway.

By KneeJerk

August 4, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Insane, the reason nobody responded to your idiocy is just that, idiocy. There’s no need to post it again. While I agree Andruw is going nowhere for the time being, we COULD get a lot more tha Podsednik and Garland for him. Garland has been hot lately, but nobody wanted him in June. Listen to that…Podsenik and Garland for the best defensive CF in baseball coming off a 50 HR season. Yes, to me it sounds like a joke.

By Louis Vales

August 4, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

How many gentlemen’s clubs in Boston?? Could a player block a trade because of a lack of “suitable” entertainment??

By raymond

August 4, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

We all love Andruw and want to see him stay a Brave but the reality is he will not be one after next season. I think JS learned his lesson after not being able to sign Maddox and Glavin that he will not let Andruw also leave leave without getting something in return. We are not free spenders like the Yankees and Red Sox and Ted doesn’t own the team anymore. JS has not accomplished what he has without knowing what he’s doing. We can trade him now and get something back from one of these big budget teams or let New York or Boston signed him after he is a free agent and get nothing back. So long Andruw you will be missed.

By edmin

August 4, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Andruw is one of the greatest center fielders to ever play the game. Having said that, no team has ever won the World Series when one player takes up the percentage of team payroll that Andruw does. Offensive numbers from last year will probably never be duplicated. Is he a great player? Yes. Has he led the team to multiple world titles? No. If the team can get better by trading him, do it.

By genuinebravesfan

August 4, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

It saddens me that baseball is not about the game anymore, it’s about the money. I know the players have to be compensated for their talents, but I feel the guy that works on my car and gets it running is much more important that a center fielder that catches a ball. This is just more evidence that Americans have misplaced values. The love of the game has gone down the tubes and the big dollar sign has blinded everyone. I still think Andruw Jones is the best center fielder in the game and it would be distressing to see the Braves let him go.

By Don Berry

August 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Anyone that thinks the Braves should trade AJ is absolutely RETARDED and should really become a Met fan, if not already. This guy is a STUD and will continue to be for years. He is only 29, puts up 30 HR’s and 100 RBI’s every year, he is barely ever out of the lineup and has the best glove in the NL, possibly MLB. Unless MLB puts the DH in the NL and the Braves trade him for Big Papi…he shouldn’t be going ANYWHERE!!!

By Margie

August 4, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

I am not surprised by this announcement at all. I heard on the news last night that AOL is laying of workers and reorganizing because they are losing money. It stands to reason that AOL would make the Braves’ Organization get rid of their higher paid players. I hope the Braves will be able to rid themselves of this BIG corporation and whoever acquires them will be more interested in Baseball.

By Charles

August 4, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

So this is typical of a team that has given up. In my opinion, if the Braves want to start winning again, they need to keep their quality players and trade up for a manager who can/will get the most from his team. I believe that Cox needs to retire.

By Danny

August 4, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

True the Braves have to lower their payroll, but don’t at the expense of the best player on the team which is no doubt Andruw. However, the Braves have a reputation of trading their best black athelete to other teams and they dominate them. If you need to trade someone in order to lower payroll, trade some of the unproductive players with high salaries such as “Chipper”. He hasn’t played a full season sincve 1999. Why is he still around? H-mmmmmmm

By KC

August 4, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Danny,

Chipper is still around because he’s untradable right now due to his “10-5” veto power over any trade, and the fact that his recent proneness to injury has made him a liability at his salary level.

Were you joking, or are you really trying to imply that this is a race thing? If so… get a life.

By Gatorbait

August 4, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

The Braves will not be able to afford Andruw when his contract comes up for renewal. He is not likely ever again to hit 50 home runs and as he ages and continues to add weight, he will slow down as a center fielder. Therefore, if some fantastic pitching trade were offered, the Braves should take it.I believe 2005 was the best year he will ever have so let’s see what he will bring to the table in trade. Of course he will be able to nix any trade he doesn’t like after the middle of August, so he will be protected that way if he doesn’t like the deal.

By don

August 4, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Andruw is a lifelong Brave and says he wants to remain one. He will be coming up for a new contract soon. He is the best centerfielder in the history of the franchise. He will, very likely be a H of Fer. He is at his peak agewise. Why would the Braves do anything to send mixed signals to Jones and hurt their chances of keeping their best all around player?

Maybe Schuerholz and his group aren’t as smart as many of you seem to think.

By REPETE

August 4, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Trade Andruw and you have lost me

By KC

August 4, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

don:

The Braves didn’t do anything to send mixed signals to Andruw.

Last week, it appears the Red Sox called JS (not the other way around). JS said, “sure, Andruw’s available… just give me all the best young talent on your team, and you can have him”. I think from those discussions, Theo Epstein would be the first to tell you that the Braves weren’t anxious to part with AJ.

As far as the waivers thing… it’s mind boggling the kind of mountain that’s been made of a molehill here. As Stan Kasten said, often players are placed on waivers for no other reason than to create a smokescreen for other players you are genuinely interested in dealing. Apparently, it’s not unusual for a GM to place half his team on waiver.

The Braves haven’t been shopping Andruw, and since the Braves have probably places many players on the waiver wire in the past without anyone’s knowledge, I’m certain they didn’t expect this to become an issue since waiver wire placements are not public information. It doesn’t mean anything. Period.

By KC

August 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

I’m surprised that AJC would even post this blog.*

But, then again this is journalism, and an unfortunate reality is that sensationalism is part of modern journalism. Having said that, please everybody understand that…

THERE IS NO STORY HERE!!!!

It has been explained from at least a dozen reliable sources that placing a player on waivers doesn’t necessarily mean anything at all. And in this case, it would in fact appear that it doesn’t mean a thing. Andruw’s not going anywhere. RELAX!!!

By Mark

August 4, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand. Where is the loyalty to your icons? You should all be ashamed of yourselves for screaming, “trade Chipper”, and “trade Andruw”. These are two HOF players and you would like to see them finish with someone else? Craziness. I understand the Andruw economics, and yes, I believe that if he can’t be re-signed then trade him in the OFF-SEASON. You will get much more value. The waiver thing is all business. Don’t worry about it. But for Braves fans to be clamoring for their team to trade the Jones Boys…is just sad. P.S. - For the record, Murph should have finished the career in Atl, and should also be a HOFer.

By Wink from Lithonia

August 4, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Trading Andruw Jones would be typical of this Braves franschise. Andruw should be afforded the opportunity to be a 10 & 5 guy just like Smoltz & Chipper. He has given a lot to this organization. He came into his own last year as a hitter and the defense has been solid for years. He was and asset to the success of the big 3, Glavine, Smoltz, & Maddox with that Gold Glove of his. However, it is totally disrespectful of Andruw and what he has given this franchise, but this is typical of any man of color wearing a Braves uniform, and he is also a position player, they just don’t last here.

By Ike

August 4, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE “DONE WITH THE BRAVES”

fine. you’re also probably the people who are done with the ballgame in the 7th inning of a 1-run game. There’s a difference between being critical of the club and totally giving up on a team. you are the worst type of fairweather fans beacuse you emotionally divest yourself while losing but enjoy the glory of victory.

we are 4 1/2 games back from the WC, and we’ve seen how this team CAN play. if you wanna be “done” with the team, fine. but don’t come around here when we start winning again.

By Insane Brave

August 4, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

So that people understand, apparently there is another ‘insaneBrave’. This guy is an idiot. Be that as it may, I am finally glad to see some fans upset about the potential loss of AJ. Someone made mention that we can plug one of the others into the four hole! That’s not true. Think about it, not everyone can handle that spot in the order. He!! look at Marcus, he is not a leadoff hitter, but we put him there and he struggled mightily. The answer to this situation is clear, trade Chipper to the Rangers (where he can DH). I guarantee you he will play 150+ games and his power numbers will surge (because there will not be the everyday strain on his body). Chipper also has a home in Texas. Allow Marcus to leave via free agency; Thomson is outta here; trade Hudson (agree to eat some of his salary or send cash).

I prefer the above because it is difficult finding guys that can hit 35-40 HRs, with 120 RBIs. And remember, typically your 4th place hitter does not hit for average but for power. His job is to drive in runs. It is your 3rd place hitter that needs to bat 300+ and be extremely clutch.

By Chris

August 4, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Seriously, there’s not much of a story here. I find it hard to believe that Schuerholz would trade for two closers (who will be free agents after this year, I think) and then trade Andruw Jones a couple weeks later, effectively killing our chances for the wild card this year.

No need to comment on Jones being traded before he’s actually traded.

By Ike

August 4, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

but this is typical of any man of color wearing a Braves uniform

yawn. this is not race related at all, and to say that racial issues factor into any baseball-related decision we make is completely absurd and just flat-out stupid.

you also obviously havn’t been reading the blog and know little about baseball. hundreds of big leaguers are placed on teh waiver wire each year. you just don’t hear about it because it’s supposed to be confidential info; some j******* from a 2nd rate organization probably leaked it. but SMOLTZ has likely been put on waivers before, along with CHIPPER and GLAVINE and plenty of other players we’ve had over the years.

By KneeJerk

August 4, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Yeah Wink, Hank Aaron just didn’t last here. Ron Gant-dirtbike, Justice and Grissom brought us Lofton who is a “man of color”. It’s a miracle Brian Jordan is still in MLB, but Bobby keeps him around. Who else? Rowland Office? Larvell Blanks? Terry Harper? Claudell?

By sam galloway

August 4, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

first off they need to hammer out a contract extension with adruw. and i say with adruw not with scott boros. if i were a mojor league gm i would never under any circumstnaces deal with scott boros . he is as much what is wrong with mlb as anything. because what you want as a fan is players to stay on your team. remember those bad cubs teams that always had earnie banks, ron santo and billy williams. they were bad but if you were a fan you could root for your guy. but scott boros will move his guys for that extra peice of silver every time. maddux, glavine. you are a mlb star and making millions and if you like the city you are playing in why leave for an extra 4 as you are already making more than anyone can spend. but boros will move em. that said andruw is an old 29 and can go down hill any time. he still lacks plate discipline. he should be a 300 hitter. i think all the braves strikeouts this year show terry p is doing a very poor job as hitting coach. if the braves don’t hit a few bombs they lose. but coc crisp is not fair value for adnrew. now if the bosox want to trade adruw for coco and a player to be named at the end of the season and adruw is the player so he is loaned to the bosox for 2 months and he gets and extra million fine but he should stay a brave. i still think with a good hitting coach he would be a 300-40-120 man.

By John

August 4, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Big, big, big mistake. Worth possible two to three runs a game just on his defense. Not to speak of his offense, although it is streaky. Hopefully, this is just a smoke screen or the first move in contract negotiations.

By KC

August 4, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Does anyone ever stop to think how racist it is to make baseless accusations that somebody is exhibiting racist behavior?

To suggest that Andruw was placed on waivers because he is black has got to be the dumbest load of __ I have ever heard.

You see, if our GM were black… no one would make that accusation. But because he’s white, a comment is made about trading our “best black player”. What that comes down to is making an assumption about the character of a person (that he’s racist to some degree), simply because he’s white.

Isn’t’ making an assumption about someone’s character based solely on their color of their skin a racist act?

By KC

August 4, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

JOHN:

There is no mistake here… because this waiver placement means absolutely nothing. Don’t worry about it.

By Fred

August 4, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Andrew is without a doubt the best center fielder in the National League and a great power hitter. However, I don’t think that’s what the Braves need to spend all their money on. There’s no way they will be able to afford him after next year. Maybe they can cash in and get their biggest need taken care of… starting pitchers. If it will produce two or three that can go now, maybe that’s the answer. They also need a burner that can get on base. If these needs can’t be met… then keep a great All Star player as long as possible, even though you probably won’t get much for him next year. I certainly don’t think that this could be considered a fire sale.

By johnny

August 4, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

What a Joke. Guess JS is trying to make room for JS jr who is in Triple A Richmond. Seems like to me, JS put this team together during to off sesason and up to now, to fail. All you have to do is look at the record, Who opened in Atlanta, and where they are now. John Thomson, is no quality picher, neither was remlinge, reitsma, and some of the others. Giles is over rated, Chipper is beginning to show his age. Last but not least. The managercam not field a team with Players, who can not win, some do not even fall in the $A classification. Trade Andruw, He will benefit the most, and then come back to haunt the Braves. I am glad TBS is not televising after next year, Only way I can see the BRaves. Now I can pick a team who wants to win, Getting paid=tells me you should go all ou, to win. I have been a Brave fan for over 50 years. Trade Anfruw, and this fan, with many others, will say good by Braves. Johnny L. Evans

By sam galloway

August 4, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

i know it is collusion but if i were major league gms i would freezeboros out of business. he is bad for baseball.

By KC

August 4, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Johnny

CALM DOWN…

We’re not trading Andruw!!! Everyone, PLEASE!!! There is no story here. A waiver placement literally means nothing! Peace… be still.

By Vedra Williams

August 4, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

I’m not real sure what this means but If it comes down to Andrew Jones leaving then this is a joke! There is no way that we need to let him go. That would be a bad move not just for the physical addition to the team but the mental. I think that the other players feel better just knowing that our BIG-GUN Andrew Jones is wearing a Braves uniform. Lets be smart and not even entertain this statement. Thanks!

By Greg

August 4, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

If we do trade Andruw, it’s a business decision. TW is stingy. Liberty will be downright miserly. They don’t want a baseball team; they want a tax break. I figure our budget at under $60 mil after Liberty takes over. They have no reason to spend money to make the team good. They make all of their money on the front end of the deal. Running the team will be nothing more than an expense.

By Knockahoma

August 4, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

I’d hate to lose Andruw but we need to remember this is a business. Langerhaus has covered center well in Andruws absence and could do an admirible job if given the chance to play everyday.

I think many of you are confused as to what “waivers means” It doesn’t mean the player has been waived, it means a team will entertain offer for this player but nothing is a done deal.

Remember last contract Andruw took less money to stay here, against the advice of his agent, I doubt that would happen this time.

If the Braves and Leo can get some good arms for Andruw it just might be what they need to win this thing.

By phil

August 4, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Putting a player on waivers is part of the game. I agree with the others that say the time is now to trade A.J. Yes he hit 51HR last year put he still isnt a leader. JS is smart and will not trade Jones unless he gets great value. Boras will hold the Braves hostage and we as Braves fan dont need that, remember Maddux? Boras vwas asking for between 12-15 mil. for him before the braves said goodbye. The window to infuse young talet with big names has come and gone for the Braves now is the time to rid ourselves of the big contracts of Hampton Chipper and AJ and rebuild the team again with the young core we have. Remember whrn chipper nad the young turks replaced the old guard the time has come again and maybe this time JS can fill the bench with good role players not old friends IE Jordan, Franco. We had 14 good years I will take a couple of down years to go on another run. Even though thanks to time warner and tbs we wont get to see the braves as much starting in 2008. TED please come back.

By KC

August 4, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

The Braves will not be trading Andruw this season. They know it, and everyone in baseball knows it. Even if Andruw did clear waivers, the promising young, low-cost talent the Braves would want in return would never clear waivers. IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! Obviously JS has reasons for this placement that have nothing to do with trading Andruw before the end of the season. And it’s pretty unlikely that he’ll be traded over the winter. Again… RELAX!

By Casey

August 4, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Waivers for Andruw?? If you want to save money, trade or put Grandpa Chipper on the waiver wire! Chipper’s good when he plays, but he only plays 1/2 of the season nowadays! His body is falling apart… trade him while you can still get something for him! Oh, and I didn’t major in finance, but if you have a player that plays 95-98% of the season (Andruw), and you have a player that is constantly hurt and only plays 40-60% of the season, which is the better investment??

By Rhonda

August 4, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

With all of the rumors and speculation, I hope Andrew can remain focused on playing his game. What a distraction.

By Comical Carl

August 4, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Bad mistake. This team needs leadership from veteran position players. Why run the risk that Andruw’s play would be affected by this “non-meaningful gesture”? It also makes it appear that JS is ready to start selling off assets before the team is truly eliminated (although with sucky Hudson in the mix, their changes at a wildcard are only slightly better than the Hawks being in next season’s playoffs).

By TommyA

August 4, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Not to be rude here, but if you are going to say that someone is doing a poor job make sure you know the facts. Fact: TP cannot hit for players, he can just work with them on theory. Fact: The Braves have the 4th best team batting avg. in the NL. The 2nd best RBI total in NL and are currently tied for 1st in HRs in the NL. TP is not the problem. Not that this has anything to do with this blog.

By Wes

August 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

I think more and more that this city has to be quite full of morons if they think Andrew Jones will clear waivers and be dealt after the trade deadline. But I’m sure the same people that these are the same people that think this also think Mick Vick should be playing running back and that Matt Shaub is the next Marino.

Morons.

By Vic Fulp

August 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

I really do think it is a shame when a team is considering giving up not only such a fine player but a wodnerful role model. I have followed Atlanta baseball since the days at Ponce De Leon Park, stuck with them through the hard times as well as enjoyed the good times. I live near Richmond, Va., and have had the pleasure of seeing rising stars as Dale Murphy and Chipper Jones. I understand baseball is a business, but it’s sad to see it become more important than it being a game to enjoy.

By gobraves06

August 4, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe this is happening. Andruw Jones is a sure Hall of Famer who has the potential to hit 500+ homers and have at least 1800 RBI. I have now lost all respect for John Schuerholz. It’s past time he left. And for those of you who are saying Andruw will demand more money on 2007, let me correct you. It will be his greedy agent Scott Boras who will demand money, not Andruw. Mark my words, if Andruw leaves, the Braves will not make it back to the postseason for a VERY long time.

By hunybear10

August 4, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

I say we dump Hampton and keep Andruw!!! I think Sunday was the first time I’ve seen him miss a ball! Nobody else can say that. We keep picking up guys who are allegedly “great” pitchers, but when they get here all the fizz is gone. KEEP ANDRUW!

By p.russ

August 4, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

It is totally disrespectful to treat Andruw this way. If the Braves trade Andruw I say F U Braves!

By Coach R

August 4, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Is this how you reward someone that has been a cornerstone for the Braves for the last nine years? I understand the financial side of the business, but why Andruw. Why not trade Chipper, or Mike Hampton. It seems pretty crazy to me to trade someone that hits 40 home runs and drives in 100 RBI’s consistanly every year. How are we going to ever win if we continue to trade off our best players just because we don’t want to pay them what they are worth. Maybe the days of Atlanta wanting to win a World Series is over.

By paluka

August 4, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Nobody can deny that Andruw Jones is a great player, both offensively and defensively. But everyone must be realistic. By trading Andruw it will bring the Braves an infusion of young hungry players who are under contractual control for a few years. Andruw, unfortunately is the only player on the roster who could bring in multiple player and for the next 7-10 days is the only player(maybe Hudson also) who cannot veto any trade. His agent is Scott Boras, who JS does not like to negotiate with and has never had a player give a hometown discount or sign any extension. Sad but true Andruw needs to be traded and it has to get done before his 10 and 5 rights kick in.Send him to Boston so he is out of the league and we will not have to face him during the regular season. I do believe Boston would also be interested in Hudson as well.Make them a package similar to the Abreu/lLidle deal for the Phillies. Get back coco Crisp and Craig Hansen for now with a player to be named later. After the post season that player to be named later can br Jon Lester. This way Boston can use both Hudson and Lester for their World Series run and by then Theo Epstien would not be so reluctabt about giving up Lester. By including Hudson maybe the Braves could also get back Wily Mo Pena as well.

By Buddy

August 4, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

I seriously doubt the Braves will make the playoffs this year due to the fragile starting pitchers they have. They need to trade Hampton; Johnson; Hudson for some top notch strong and healthy starters. But they will need a strong offense like the Mets if they are going to be as good as they once was.

By dewan lee

August 4, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

First of all Chipper does not need to go anywhere and for anyone who thinks he does is ludicrous. Yes he has been hurt but when he is not he plays the game. Andruw does not need to go and there is no player especially Langhy that deserves his spot. People complain because he does not hit 300. Can any of you tell me how many years Murph hit 300? Exactly average does not matter if you are bringing in runs and with 94 RBI’s entering today I cant complain. Andruw is pitched around every game so he tries to hit pitches off of the plate. I don’t know how many of you have ever played beyond LL but if you did you would know that hitting a baseball is not exactly the easiest thing to do. Stop complaining about Andruw saying he cant do this, cant do that, and show me any OF in the game that is doing what he is doing. Right now he only has one other OF putting up numbers close to his and that would be Vernon Wells. A 270 BA is not bad at all and for those who think his defense is suffering please go ask any of the pitchers past or present or opposing managers and batters. He could be tired in the OF with all the rocket shots from opposing batters. If the Red Sox wanted to trade us their pitchers and their CF then that should tell you something. One thing is that they don’t value the pitchers or Coco and 2 they do value Andruw. Last thing tell me when Aybar shows that speed that they brought up. Saying he is a leadoff batter with speed was a total joke as Betemit would have provided a W yesterday by hitting a fly ball or base hit with runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out .

By Theron

August 4, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Best centerfielder in the game. Took less money to remain a Brave during the last contract. He understands that Boras works for Him, not the other way around. When you have a guy like Andruw that has worked with the team and is a team player. When has golden boy Chipper been a team player (when he was whining about moving to left or when he said he is a 3rd baseman not a first baseman. Bottom line, keep Andruw, eat your bad decisions on Chipper and looks like Hudson. don’t make you’re bad decisions worse by trading Andruw. If you trade him you lose me. Lifelong Braves fan.

By MIKE

August 4, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

I DON’T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I’D RATHER SEE CHIPPER IN THAT CATEGORY. LET’S FACE IT, HE’S SPENDING MORE TIME ON THE D/L THAN ON THE FIELD AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE HE’S HAD IT. WITNESS THOSE ONE HAND SWINGS AND THEN TAKING ONE DOWN THE MIDDLE. HE’S BEEN A GREAT PLAYER BUT NOW PERHAPS IT’S TIME FOR THE PROVERBIAL CHANGE OF SCENERY. MAYBE THE DODGERS WOULD RETURN WB FOR HIM. WORTH A TRY.

By Patrick Smith

August 4, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

The Braves are garbage. Strings of conference championships obviously mean more to them than world series titles. I mean how can you actually entertain the thought of letting go of arguably the games best center fielder for the past couple of years. The Braves are totally unloyal. First Tom Glavine, now Andruw Jones. Some players are meant to play there entire careers where they started them. the only thing that would make this situation better is for Andruw to be traded to the Chicago White Sox.

By JasonInMaine

August 4, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

goBraves06,

I just wanted to comment on your remarks that:

“And for those of you who are saying Andruw will demand more money on 2007, let me correct you. It will be his greedy agent Scott Boras who will demand money, not Andruw. “

Let’s remember who works for who. The agent works for Andruw and it is absolutely in Andruw’s control in regards of what he will and will not accept. Let’s not fool ourselves here. I do not know what it will take to sign Andruw, but the decision is his and not his agent’s.

Regards,

Jason

By JJ

August 4, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Looks and sounds just like a major blunder by another so called professional ATL team. Anyone remember Dominique Wilkins. Same scenario. David Justice.

By paluka

August 4, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

If Andruw really wants to remain with the Braves he should go into the office of JS and tell him he will sign an extension right now. Give the hometown discount knowing that the team needs some extra money to bring in some help. I’m not saying he should sign for a meager 7 million per year but he could say he would take a contract for say 10-11 million per year much the same as Chipper has done.

By Joan

August 4, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

WELL, THE ANNOUNCER SITUATION HAS PUT ME IN THE POSITION OF USING MY MUTE BUTTON ON GAMES CARRIED BY FSN OR TS AND LISTENING TO THE RADIO BROADCAST. IF THE BRAVES LET ANDRUW GO, THAT WILL BE THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL’S BACK. I KNOW THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS, BUT - IF THAT IS ALL THE POWERS THAT BE CARE ABOUT THIS TEAM AND ITS FANBASE …

By dobrien

August 4, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

JB: Would you please get a clue before you start spewing from the hip and accusing me of all manner of actions I have NOTHING to do with.

Got it? Good. Now if, after reading all of the above, you still believe I’m behind this or have done something wrong by being home and reading blogs and posting yesterday that this is much ado about nothing … well, then you really are detached from reality.

Oh, and I’ll accept your apology in advance (since I know you’ll be too stubborn to make one).

By Rodger

August 4, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

If we accept that the waiver is done routinley, the question is whether the players usually know about it. If they do, and it becomes news, then the problem is non-existent. If they don’t, and it becomes news, then it would appear to be a lack of respect to the player.

I would hope if the news got out, at least Andruw was given a heads up before it makes it into this forum and beyond.

By die hard braves fan

August 4, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

THAT IS A WITCH MOVE! (DROP THE W AND ADD THE LETTER B TO THAT !!)

IF anybody that should be trade is Chipper.

need to cut hampton loose by signing an injury settlement.

If the braves let ANDRUW GO - then I promise you yall can kiss the division goodbye and dont tell me how many division we won without him.. Andruw is critical to the braves!

I will seriously burn my Braves season tickets in a bonafire with JS name in it!

ANDRUW IS A FRANCHISE PLAYER NOT SOME SCRUB OF THE WEEK SPECIAL.

I Dont give a dern if it was a bluff move.. ya just done drove up Andruw’s price and hurt his feelings and his fans’ feeling as well.

WE NEED TED TURNER and his $$$ back!!!

AFTER ALL the only reason he sold his interest in the team to avoid a conflict of interest with Time Warner whom done screw up AOL’s shareholders with it free plan.

I dont see the value in this waiver.. it smell like a pile of DOODOO!!!

BOOOOOOO! THE GM GOT TO GO! AND WHO THE HECK IS THE OWNER? TIME WARNER OR LIBERTY MEDIA? DUCK THEM ALL!

GO YANKS!

A SOON TO BE FORMER DIEHARD FAN!!

By Joe C

August 4, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

I am about sick and tired of Walt Weiss’ play at short stop. I think the braves were foolish to let Blauser go. The combination of him and Galarraga in the line up would help the offense. I’m still not feeling good about Lofton, I just don’t if he is going to produce like he should. Any thoughts?

By Bob Lazenby

August 4, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Let Andrew go. He’s slowing down and not worth the money. We need starting pitchers. Show A.J. where the salad bar is!!!!

By die hard braves fan

August 4, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

and remember how they dog out Brian Jordan!

That was a bonehead move as well!

By Alonzo

August 4, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

This is a no brainer. AJ should be untouchable. Pay the man, he’s worth every penny. GO!!!! Braves

By Louis Vales

August 4, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Alonzo, Why do I know that you aren’t a significant shareholder of Time Warner. I’ve always said that people most concerned about MLB players getting their money tend to have about $145.66 in their 401(k). Honestly, Alonzo do you fit that description??

By Michael M Beard

August 4, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

I don’t understand wy Chipper is untouchable but Andruw is. The Brave wanr a lilly white ball club.

Michael

By 59bulldawg

August 4, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Right on Insane! I agree with everything you say except for Marcus. Marcus never was a lead-off type hitter and the Braves were short-sighted regarding this position when they let Furcal go. I’d like to see him bat lower in the order but really don’t know who we have at present that could bat lead-off consistently. My preference would be to trade for an outfielder [and no I don’t want Soriano] who could do it and keep Marcus in the lineup. The Dodgers always seem to get our lead-off man [remember Brett Butler] just when we settle the position! But we need to keep Andruw … and I seem to remember him taking less the last time to stay with the Braves.

By Cornholio

August 4, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

I AM OUTRAGED !

WHY IS ANDRUW ON WAIVERS AND NOT HUDSON & GILES !

SOME AL TEAM WILL TAKE A HASBEEN LIKE HUDSON ANY DAY !

By Cornholio

August 4, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

I AM OUTRAGED !

WHY IS ANDRUW ON WAIVERS AND NOT HUDSON & GILES !

SOME AL TEAM WILL TAKE A HASBEEN LIKE HUDSON ANY DAY !

By Bigfoot

August 4, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Let both big monied Jones’ go and get Betemit back. That was a mistake. Chipper stays on DL and is aging plus Braves need to deal Andruw while they can get quality players in return.

By Joe

August 4, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

just heard Andruw was claimed by a team. They have 48 hours to work a trade or he will stay.

By KneeJerk

August 4, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Louis, Go back to the Marlins vent (if there is such). Marlins fans (all 3 dozen) are elated about their LOSING record. Braves fans are nauseous about theirs.

By Robert S

August 4, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Hey, you think Bobby Cox could get put on waivers?? No, no, no, just wishful thinking.

But seriously, having Andruw’s name so prominently on waivers could be a smokescreen for another player they might wish to trade - Hudson perhaps?? If not, those pitchers in Boston sound mighty enticing if the Braves and Red Sox wish to revisit that trade scenario. Better get the most bang for the buck for Andruw while you can, because even if the Braves somehow squeak into the postseason with him, they don’t have enough talent to get past the first round.

We could have an 81-81 team make the wild card this year. That’s how mediocre everyone else other than the Mets are, and I despise the Mets.

By shawn

August 4, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

who claimed him?

By Joe

August 4, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

we will know by 1:00 tommorow

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Most players are placed on waivers this time of year because they have to be in order to have a chance of being traded. And trading Andruw would be a good move if they got two or three great young players. I think this is an example of the mainstream media trying to stir things up. The headline is Andruw is placed on waivers and by the time they get around to reading the story and understanding the context, a lot of fans are freaked out. The media does this crap all the time. It’s not a story that AJ was put on waivers. I bet Chipper and Marcus Giles and Renteria and Smoltz were or will be put on waivers, but you don’t see or you won’t see it making the headlines. The media loves to stir stuff up. They are mostly worthless for gathering useful information.

By KC

August 4, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

HERE’S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN REGARD TO ANDRUW:

First of all, with absolute 100% certainty, I promise you… Andruw is not going anywhere this season. The waiver placement means nothing. John Shuerholz’s answer to the Red Sox when they inquired about him before the non-waiver trade deadline was… “make me an offer I can’t refuse, and he’s yours. But we’re in no hurry to trade him.” He’s not going anywhere this season. If you’re worried about that… relax, take a deep breath and think happy thoughts. He’s not going anywhere this season… period.

Now, this winter: The Braves front office will probably talk to Jones and Scott Boras (his agent) this winter, and try to gauge their chances of keeping him past next season. If JS feels they have a decent chance of re-signing him, then history indicates that he will hang on to Jones and make the best effort he can to keep him (even at the risk of losing him to free agency after next season).

However, if JS feels that AJ is going to listen to Boras this time and go after the highest bid from a team like the Dodgers, BoSox, Mets, or Yankees… then JS will be more motivated to move him this winter. However, you can be sure based on his track record that JS will not make a move that is going to significantly hurt the team’s chances to win next year.

In the winter of 96-97, JS worked a trade with Cleveland that trade sent David Justice and M.Grissom to the Indians in exchange for Kenny Lofton and Alan Embree. That move was made to free up money to re-sign Maddux and Glavine to long-term deals. BUT you’ll notice that Atlanta got a player who, at the time, was the premiere leadoff hitter in all of baseball, and one of the top superstars in the game overall.

JS is looking always looking to win now, as long as that’s realistic (and for the past 14 years, it always has been). If the Braves don’t feel they can resign AJ, they will listen to any offer that would not significantly hurt the team’s chances to win next year, and would give the Braves something of value beyond next year. If it appears likely that Andruw is going chase every dollar he can get next winter, the Braves might trade him this winter IF, and only if, the right deal comes along.

Again, you can be sure that JS isn’t interested in doing anything to weaken next year’s team. And in any event, the Braves are not going to just dump Andruw an effort to get something in return for him before he becomes a free agent. The Braves have never done that with a key player in JS’s tenure, and they’re not going to do it now.

By texasbrave

August 4, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

I know there is a lot probably going on (or nothing at all!) - that we don’t even know about. But I think this all could boil down to one thing: Scott Boras. Hopefully Andruw will stay a Brave and negotiate his contract like he did before - without that baseball-ruining agent. How much money does someone really need? Andruw, if you read this - please know that you are the cornerstone of the Braves - and that no one - NO ONE in their right mind - wants to see you go!

By LISTENER

August 4, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Nathan, Thanks for taking over this blog and explaining everything to everbody.

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Who’s not on or is going to be placed on waivers would be more of a story. The media needs to chill out until something actually happens that is newsworthy. This is why everyone hates the media. Get educated people. Don’t believe what you are told by the ajc.

By monty

August 4, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry but maybe we’re missing the picture here. If we can’t afford to keep both of the Jones boys then Chipper has to be the odd man out. Chipper is Mr.Brave but has proven in the past 2-3 years that he cant play but a limited schedule because he can’t stay healthy. Andruw carried the team on his shoulders last year. Mvp kind of year. THis year he is again at the top in homeruns and rbi’s. Where is Chipper. YEah he had a good July but he couldn’t stay healthy. It;s scary to think of just how good a hitter Andrew can be once he learns to lay off of pitches low and away. Heck he gets himself out half of the time and still hits 40 dingers and drives in 100 +. How do you take that out of your line-up and still compete?

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

The media is just bored so they need to create a story about AJ on waivers. It’s not a story! It will be a story if they actually trade him but it’s not anything close to newsworthy right now.

By randyh

August 4, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

anybody know who claimed A.J.off waivers ?

By Jim Gordon

August 4, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Ddang the Braves have gone crazy, first Benemit now Andrew. What is going on a fire sale. The team won’t and is not now ever going to be the same. It’s going back to last place and stay again forever. I’ve been a braves fan since 1966 and it’s time I find a new team.

JIM.

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

DON’T TRUST THE MEDIA! THIS IS NOT NEWSWORTHY!

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t matter who claimed Andruw Jones. Unless we get two or three great young players, we aren’t trading him. It’s not a story until he get traded. Any player that is placed on waivers of Andruw Jones calliber will likely be claimed on waivers. This is not newsworthy. Don’t trust the ajc or the media!

By randyh

August 4, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

when you look at what the marlins have done ,it makes you wonder. Time to reload with young guns and start a new dynasty. Get what you can for A.J.

By KC

August 4, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Jim Gordon:

Do a little more checking into this matter, and you will find that this is a completely meaningless exercise that is being blown up and sensationalized by the sports media.

Jim, please believe me… there’s nothing to this. Absolutely nothing. Andruw is not going to be moved this season, if at all.

And also know that there is no fire-sale going on. The Braves are going to have a World Series caliber team next year with the healthy returns of Mike Hampton, and Blaine Boyer. JS isn’t going to do anything to hurt the team’s chances of winning next year.

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

This will be newsworthy when I start hearing names that we could get for Andruw Jones. Otherwise, Braves fans don’t have anything to worry about. It’s rediculous that this is the top story. It’s nothing out of the ordinary. This happens all the time this time of year. Get educated so you don’t have to trust the moronic mainstream media. Just take them for what they are worth. DOWN WITH SENSATIONALISM! THE MEDIA IS FULL OF MORONS!

By brownthrasher

August 4, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

FROM ESPN

Updated: Aug. 4, 2006, 2:38 PM ET Andruw Jones claimed on waivers;

With Andruw Jones only days away from gaining trade veto power, the All-Star center fielder was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. ET Saturday to decide whether to take their last opportunity to deal Jones unfettered.

That Jones was placed on waivers is unremarkable; he was one of hundreds of players, including many stars, who were placed on waivers earlier this week. What makes Jones’ situation interesting is that on Aug. 15, he will gain 10-and-5 rights — 10 years in the big leagues, five with the same team — to block any proposed trade.

Multiple teams placed claims on Jones, according to major-league sources. But on Thursday afternoon, one team was awarded a claim on Jones. Now the Braves have two choices — either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.

By brownthrasher

August 4, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

FROM ESPN

Updated: Aug. 4, 2006, 2:38 PM ET Andruw Jones claimed on waivers;

With Andruw Jones only days away from gaining trade veto power, the All-Star center fielder was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. ET Saturday to decide whether to take their last opportunity to deal Jones unfettered.

That Jones was placed on waivers is unremarkable; he was one of hundreds of players, including many stars, who were placed on waivers earlier this week. What makes Jones’ situation interesting is that on Aug. 15, he will gain 10-and-5 rights — 10 years in the big leagues, five with the same team — to block any proposed trade.

Multiple teams placed claims on Jones, according to major-league sources. But on Thursday afternoon, one team was awarded a claim on Jones. Now the Braves have two choices — either work out a trade with the team who placed the claim by Saturday or pull Jones back from waivers. If they pull him back, they cannot trade him again for the rest of this season.

By AtlantaNative62

August 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Once again the AJC is trying to make news (and trouble) where there is none. In the same breath, they communicate that this is standard practice for the Braves (and most of the teams in baseball) and yet act as it is some kind of breach of trust that has left Andruw hurt and surprised. You wonder why your circulation continues to dwindle? It is behavior like this. The Braves need support right now, not some half-a*******ed reporter trying to divide the team.

By cornholio

August 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

KC,

What then was the objective in giving away Jermaine Dye to Kansas City for an average Michael Tucker and a lifelong minor league infielder named Keith Lockhart?

It certainly was not about money.

I’m anxious to learn what excuse you’ll have for Schuerholz this time.

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

This will become newsworthy when we hear names going back and forth, otherwise it is not. A player of AJ’s calliber is going to get claimed on waivers. It happens every year. And almost every Brave will be put on waivers. Almost every player in baseball will be put on waivers and every one worth anything will be claimed. Players have to be put on waivers in order for a team to have a chance at moving him. This could become a story, but it’s not right now. I don’t care what ESPN or the ajc or anybody says. This is not news. It’s sensationalism at this point. DOWN WITH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND ITS SENSATIONALISM!

By brownthrasher

August 4, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

I stoped long ago being shocked about any player traded or waived or whatever. Gone are the days of a player remaining with the same team. I still remember feeling betrayed when the Braves traded Hank Aaron. There are few players who remain with the same team. Money has takenthe place of player loyalty. The dollar now rules most sports and it is no surprise when your favorite player is traded or not resigned. I have resolved to love the game of baseball and applaud those who excel in their respective positions. I still am a Glavine fan and was thrilled to see Greg Maddox pitch a 5 inning no-hitter in LA. Jermaine Dye may have never become a star had the Braves not traded him. Let’s face it, this is not about the fans or the players any more. This is all about the Benjamins!

If Andruw leaves, I will still follow him and cheer his remarkable catches and his stellar career. I hope he stays but if he doesn’t, Atlanta will still be home and hopefully we will wish him well and not boo him if he happens to return to play in our park.

By Joe

August 4, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

I don’t know what the big deal is and why the AJC has to make a story of it. This is not little league where the idea is to have fun. This is MLB where it’s all about business & money. This is why you pay over $100.00 to take your family to a ball game anymore. The fun is gone. Kind of sad… don’t you think?

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Does anyone think the Braves would trade AJ for anything less that two top prospects/young players and another solid prospect/young player? It’s not going to happen. Until we hear names or the team, it’s not a story. Every player goes on waivers and every player like Andruw Jones gets claimed. The media is bored. This should have gotten a blurb on a Braves notes page, maybe. That’s it. It’s not a top story yet. Not even close. I don’t care what ESPN and the AJC say. They need to put things in context and stop trying to create controversy. The mainstream media sucks. Take them for what they’re worth. Let them have it for doing stuff like this, especially if it’s a real news story. Two words: Richard Jewel!

By Andrew

August 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

The Jones (and Smoltz) ARE the Atlanta Braves and if they trade Andruw they will lose a ton of loyal Braves fans, myself included!!!! He has taken a hometown discount before and he will again. He loves it here and we love him here. Dont do it Bravos!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Shaun

August 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

This has little or nothing to do with player loyalty or team loyalty! This is about the Braves (and every other team) doing something they do every year! The Braves aren’t going to give AJ away for peanuts and it’s more likely he won’t go anywhere at all. Learn how waivers work and you’ll see this is not a story. When I hear names, that’s when it will become newsworthy. Or when I hear the the actual team has contacted the Braves and are discussing possibilties, that’s when it will become news. Right now it is not.

By James

August 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Just in that some unnamed team claim Andruw Jones. They have till 1:00pm Saturday to work out a trade.My feeling is its just a smoke screen and 90% chance that he will NOT be traded. We all heard the White Soxs and Red Soxs rumors, But if we were just guessing which team would claim him my guess is the Astros.Before the news breaks of which team claim him what’s your guess?

By KC

August 4, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Buster Olney: “That Jones was placed on waivers is unremarkable; he was one of hundreds of players, including many stars, who were placed on waivers earlier this week. What makes Jones’ situation interesting is that on Aug. 15, he will gain 10-and-5 rights”

Why is that so interesting? Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you think Andruw’s 10-5 status date has been on a calendar somewhere on a Braves’ front office wall for years now? Does Mr. Olney think that JS and co. were standing around a water cooler this week when somebody said “OH S_! Andruw’s 10-5 status is about to kick in. We forgot all about that! … And the non-waiver trade deadline’s already passed! We’d better put him on waivers and see if we can get something done.”

If it were a priority for the Braves to trade Andruw before he has the ability to veto a trade… they could have gotten something done involving AJ before the deadline. But the fact is that the Braves weren’t in any hurry to trade him a week ago or a month ago, so what makes anybody think that they’re trying to deal him now after the non-waiver deadline???

Ridiculous sensationalism by the sports media. Nothing more.

By KC

August 4, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

James: I agree with you except… the percentage is much higher than 90%… more like 99.9%.

By Jerry O'Neill

August 4, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

I am a sports talk-show host in Orlando…and a Braves fan since they called Milwaukee home. It is an outrage to even think that this club would toy with the idea of moving Andruw Jones! I understand the waiver process…and how teams like the Braves may put forward the entire roster during this period…I’m just angry that this organization is planning to let A. Jones go after ‘07…that seems to be obvious at this point! Asinine!

By ben

August 4, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

I think this is all a play to put pressure on Jones to see if he will leave Boras out of his conntract negotiation again. If it doesn’t work, the Braves most likely won’t be able to re-sign Jones. It is really unfortuate because if the Braves were not owned by a coperation this wouldn’t be happining.

By die hard braves fan

August 4, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

has ESPN Sportscenter said anything in regard to this.. if it the yankees bye bye mr jones.. cuz aint no way we can match the yankees’ offer and not to mention it was very tacky and unprofessional of the GM not to let Andruw know… if Andruw doesnt play in tonight game vs the reds then we know he is going to take on the other offer.. if he does play then he took another discount cut to stay here in the ATL….

in this day and time.. owners/management want the sure thing to win a championship at any cost but if you arent a contender or more of a pretender than they are going to changes course and proceed accordingly.

if Braves doesnt keep andruw - then

1) JS has successfully manage got rid of some excellent OF (cantcha u imagine if we kept dye and sheff and jones??? that a threat right there!!!) and JS got rob in return!

2) Letting Raffie go was a big risk… but renteria has made us forgotten about raffie.

3) Yes we need a better core group of starters. Ray and C-James are a work in progress. But we need 3 more consisent starteres that can get more W’s and K’s.

4) We should have trade Chipper before he got hurt. We could have gotten 4 things out of that deal alone…

2 Starters 1 Farm prospect 1 future draft pick (3 rounder)

hey i thought it was suppose to be 3 days wait before ANY claims can be made on a player that got waived?

By KC

August 4, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Jerry O’Neill:

I don’t think that’s obvious at all just yet. As you know, the waiver wire placement means very little, perhaps even nothing at all.

Scott Boras has made it clear already that the Braves will “get no hometown discount this time”. With that in mind, it’s JS’s responsibility to explore all options. If that means at least gauging interest in Andruw, and so be it.

The Braves won’t be able to hang with the NY teams, LA, or Boston in a bidding war. For cryin’ out loud… if the Dodgers will give Rafael Furcal 13 million a season, what would they offer Andruw?

I’m sure the Braves want to re-sign Andruw, and if they feel there’s a significant chance they’ll be able to, then history suggests that JS will hang on to him and do his best to re-sign him.

If it looks like they might not be able to re-sign him, then it’s the GM’s job to explore all options.

By Jake_Snake

August 4, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Atlanta always makes mistake with there players. is it hard for the braves to stick with the players they have and work with them inliue of bringing new players? If boston wants Andruw Jone, Boston has to give up Curt Shilling or else.

By Rick

August 4, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

I can’t see trading Andruw. His defense alone saves us a hundred runs a year. You can’t replace that. He does strike out alot but he is still a productive hitter and a young player. I believe he is only 29 years old and still has alot of baseball ahead of him.

By Don Berry

August 4, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

JAMES: ya you are correct but there were apparently MULTIPLE teams that claimed AJ, giving the worse team his rights to make the trade with….I don’t think there is anyone in the bottom of the standings that would be willing to give us the bank for a player that is needed now. HE ISN’T going anywhere….and….don’t forget…the guys that the Braves may wany also have to clear waivers.

By ColumbusBuckeye

August 4, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Wow, judging by the way that many have reacted you would think that Atlanta already traded him.

He’s not going anywhere, how do you know that they aren’t using him as a decoy for one of the others on the roster?

By Mikey

August 4, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Of Andrew wants out of Atlanta, hes been in a playoff every single season hes played and NO titles. He knows this team is just a losing proposition.

By ColumbusBuckeye

August 4, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Good one Mikey, I’m sure that is exactly what Andruw is saying.

Pretty idiotic post if you ask me, you act as if Jones plays for the Kansas City Royals.

What is even more sad to me is that people like you call yourself a fan. Your definately a fan, a fan of pessimism and b!t#$$ing and moaning.

By matt

August 4, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

can’t believe that this is a real possibility. andruw takes a hometown discount a few years ago, continues to perform as the greatest outfielder this sport has ever seen and will ever see, and the braves repay him by putting him on the trading block? andruw has said over and over how much he loves playing for cox and playing in atlanta, and it shows in every single fly ball hit between left and right field. if the braves trade andruw, i really don’t know if i will continue to be a braves fan.

By Drexel Gal

August 4, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

The three-game sweep by the Mets and the close loss to the Pirates have convinced the Braves’ front office that not even the wild card is attainable this season, so look for a fire sale. Shed the big salaries of players who are up for new contracts in 2007. Andruw has been lax lately, too. He reminds me of Carl Yastrzemski: When the Red Sox were in the hunt, he would bust his tail. When they were out of the race or out of the game, he dogged it.

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Corholio:

I’ll be honest with you, I can’t remember all the circumstances surrounding that trade, though I do remember the trade. Obviously, if the Braves/JS had known Dye would become as good as he did, they wouldn’t have moved him for the likes of Micheal Tucker and K.Lockhart.

Every team has a few “the one that got away” stories. I dare say the Braves have fewer than most.

That said… the J.Dye for Lockhart & Tucker doesn’t appear to have been JS’s finest hour.

By Jake_Snake

August 4, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Matt, I agree with you but i think Andruw Jones is better of going to some other team who appreciate him. After all the Braves wont make it to the wild card so he should go to some other team who are for sure to win. For example Detroit, Boston, New York, Chicago or California. At least he will be appreciated.

By James

August 4, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Kc&Berry We all agree and seem to be on the same page. Andruw was single out. For all we know most of the roster,Giles Laroache,Hudson etc.. could of been put on waviers.And a team like the Royals will not claim all-star players just team pushing for the playoffs. These are just teams feeling out other teams.

By Jake_Snake

August 4, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Matt, I agree with you but i think Andruw Jones is better of going to some other team who appreciate him. After all the Braves wont make it to the wild card so he should go to some other team who are for sure to win. For example Detroit, Boston, New York, Chicago or California. At least he will be appreciated.

By JKH

August 4, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

die hard braves fan

Do you understand the waiver-wire? It’s not a bidding war.

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

MAT… PEOPLE…

ANDRUW IS NOT ON THE TRADING BLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A waiver wire placement does not mean they are trying to get rid of him. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything at all. Look into the facts. And everyone… please stop acting like Andruw is a martyr. First of all, the Braves aren’t even seriously shopping him right now. They responded to a couple of inquiries about him before the deadline, but that was the extent of it. If they were seriously trying to unload him, there would have done something a week ago… not now when such a deal would be nearly impossible.

Secondly, even if the Braves were really shopping him… Andruw’s still no martyr. Scott Boras has made it clear that they will be looking to get top dollar for Andruw, so it is JS’s job to weigh all options.

BUT PLEASE PEOPLE!!!!! STOP READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS SILLY WAIVER WIRE CRAP!!!!!!

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Matt… sorry… 2 “T’s” in Matt. Apologies.

By Wedgie Evans

August 4, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Manny Ramirez was placed on waivers a year or 2 ago and everyone made a huge deal about it. Turned out he went nowhere and still plays for the Red Sox. Quit making a big deal out of nothing.

By blake

August 4, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Can we put Tim Hudson on waivers already? I’d much rather trade him than Andruw..Hudson can be replaced with anyone, Andruw cannot. Its a pitchers market JS, trade Huddy, not Andruw.

By CRANBERY

August 4, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

This may just send a Brave fan of over twenty odd years to find another team………… This guy has given 100% with less pay than most of players…….are the upper management guys that mercenary? If so, I have lost all respect for them.

By Victor

August 4, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

According to ESPN analyst Buster Olney Andruw Jones was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. E.T. Saturday to decide wether to take their last opportunity to deal him or pull him back from waivers.

Any commments???

By James

August 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

CRANBERY Waivers is just an formalty. All teams do it.Like I said before all players can be put on waivers. If a GM does not put players on waivers he will not be a GM long!

By Dave From NY

August 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

We swept you guys right out of the division! LETS GO METS LETS GO METS

By Dave From NY

August 4, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

We swept you guys right out of the division! LETS GO METS LETS GO METS

By sam

August 4, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

For those who don’t want Andruw traded must be content with losing him as a free agent! Boras will not be by-passed again and no doubt will be extra tough this time because he got bumped from negotiations last time.

By sam

August 4, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

For those who don’t want Andruw traded must be content with losing him as a free agent! Boras will not be by-passed again and no doubt will be extra tough this time because he got bumped from negotiations last time.

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

CRANBERY:

Numerous GM’s, and former Braves President Stan Kasten have explained this process to people over the past couple of days regarding A.Jones.

A waiver placement means very little, perhaps even nothing in and of itself. It is not unheard of for a team to place a player on waiver wires with no intention whatsoever of trading him. Kasten explained that sometimes a GM will put half his team on waiver wires, sometimes as a smokescreen for the one or two players on the team he is actually looking to deal. That waiver wire means absolutely nothing.

Even if it did… it is not at all “mercenary”. Scott Boras (Andruw’s agent) has made it clear all season that when the time comes, Andruw will be looking at top dollar this time when he becomes a free agent after next season. With that in mind, it will be JS’s job to weigh all options.

But again, I emphasize that NOTHING has happened to indicate the Braves want to unload him. Don’t believe the hype man.

By James

August 4, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

And one more thing I will always be a Baseball Fan and a Braves fan till I bite the dust,but if the Braves will not make the playoffs I will pull for the Dodgers since 5 or 6 are former Braves

By BIG METS FAN!

August 4, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

On behalf of all Mets fans, I just want to apologize for our acting like total as*es.

You guys have spanked us for 14 years straight, and the fact that we’re going to win 1 division title now after all these years, means very little. After all, with out starting pitching it’s not like we’re going anywhere in October.

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

On behalf of all Mets fans, I just want to apologize for our acting like total as*es.

You guys have spanked us for 14 years straight, and the fact that we’re going to win 1 division title now after all these years, means very little. After all, with out starting pitching it’s not like we’re going anywhere in October.

By KC

August 4, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Oh no, I’ve been exposed!!!!!!! LOL!!

By James

August 4, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

KC LOL!!! Right on ! The mets will go down in the first playoff round. In Baseball it comes down the defense and pitching.Example:1995 Indians best hitting team Braves best pitching team !!

By Victor

August 4, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

James

If Andruw’s trade happens you are going to be happy because according to some scouts Los Angeles Dodgers are the team who claimed him… can we get something good in return?

By shawn

August 4, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

No waivers doesn’t mean he will be traded just that he COULD be traded. I like AJ and respect his talent but if they COULD get a good deal for him why not. Someone mentioned him as the greatest outfielder this game has ever seen??? Come on man, he is good but not THAT good. He is a .265 lifetime hitter. He is still young but has palyed not only a lot of games but a lot of innings. His defense is great but he is slowing a little.

Guys if he gets traded it isn’t because JS doesn’t like him or thinks he isn’t any good it will be because in the grand scheme of the team JS beleives he can inprove the club overall. That may for players in exchange or the ability to use his salary elsewhere. For everyone calculating how much money we will “save” next year with Jordan and the likes gone please don’t forget for every one of those gone they will have to be replaced and that will cost something. Also figure in all the natural raises due to players whether by arbitration or contract stipulations.

If we didn’t have any money this year for a relief pitcher or two where exactly do you think it is coming from next year?

By James

August 4, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Victor, JS won’t make a stupid trade for Andruw.And if the Astros was to claim him they have a worst record than the Dodgers so they(Dodgers) won’t even have a shot.Maybe a 1% to 10% of trading Andruw. But speaking of the Dodgers the when they got Greg Maddux pitching Five former Braves are in the starting lineup. Lofton(not a big fan at all)Betimit,Drew,Furcal,Maddux and Lofton

By shawn

August 4, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

The Braves need at minimum next year a whole new bench,a LF, sign Wickman and Baez, and 1-3 starting pitchers. If we won’t trade anyone and we have no budget will someone explain how we are going to get them. And if I hear someoen say the D-Rays are going to give us Kazmir and Crawford for anyone on our roster I will puke…..

By Brimsley

August 4, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

According to ESPN analyst Buster Olney Andruw Jones was claimed on waivers by an unnamed team, leaving the Braves until 1 p.m. E.T. Saturday to decide wether to take their last opportunity to deal him or pull him back from waivers.

Any commments???

Yeah-It’s amazing that a network that has to cover every sports team in every sport in every city in the US gets this story and the AJC has exactly NOTHING.

This is got to be the saddest excuse for a major metropolitan newspaper I have ever, ever seen.

By Omar Minaya

August 4, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

HA! HA!

By tommy

August 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

All of you saying that if Andruw gets traded then you will find another team, you need to go find another one NOW! First of all hes not going anywhere, Second if he did and you quit pullin for the braves then you all are not fans! STICK WITH YOUR TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CRANBERRY!! BRAVE TILL I DIE

By shawn

August 4, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Hope AJ can pitch every 5th day next year. By the way didn’t the Braves play in 3 World Series without AJ? I believe they played in 2 or 3 without Chipper. Guys I like both players but NOBODY is irreplaceable and IF they are moved life will go on….as for retiring a lifetime Brave maybe Smoltz will but don’t count on the Jones. If Aaron, Neikro and Murphy didn’t then I would be surprised if they will. By the way I think one of JS’s best moves was picking up Otis Nixon for some minor league catcher. Wish we could find another Otis Nixon….

By krath

August 4, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Putting Andruw on waivers is no big deal. The Red Sox put Manny on waivers every year. It does another thing as well. Suppose it becomes evident during next season that the Braves will not/cannot resign Andruw. They may be able to refer back to this move to gauge interest in trading him during next season.

Andruw isn’t going anywhere….. at least for the rest of THIS season.

The string is broken….. all cards are on the table for the future, including Andruw I think.

By shawn

August 4, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Honestly can someone suggest idesa on how the Braves improve next year if they don’t move some salary, whether it be Hudson,Chipper, Hampton, or AJ? I am all ears…..

By Matt

August 4, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

It kills me to hear these people say that we alway trade away our good talent and get nothing in return. I guess 14 straight division titles doesnt mean anything. We have one bad year and now the past 14 years is forgotten and we are now the worst team in history again. Grow up.

By bushwacker

August 4, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

What a croc that this happens all the time, then how come we’ve never heard this before?

Might as well trade him now, because if I were Andrew I ‘d be pissed that they are actually considering trading me.

Shows no loyalty, with that in mind, I know I can get more money somewehere else as a free agent so if you don’t trade me I;ll be leaving when my contract runs out.

Great move Braves, now you have to trade him in his prime.

Your trading the worng Jones!!!!

By GreenvilleBrave

August 4, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

I have always been an Andruw Jones fan. I rigorously defended him in many a water-cooler debate against uninformed idiots who thought the Braves should have traded him years ago because he wasn’t battin .350 and hitting 50 HR. I wish more than anything that Andruw could play the rest of his career with the Braves. But it won’t happen. Somebody is going to offer Andruw megabucks in a couple of years. Frankly, he deserves it. But that team won’t be the Braves. It can’t be. They have too many other needs. I doubt the Braves will be able to work an acceptable deal for Andruw now anyway. Anyone who is interested needs to pony up quite a bit, because Andruw is worth it. If it happens, then good for Andruw and good for the Braves.

By shawn

August 4, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Bushwacker I will agree it should be Chipper

By rob

August 4, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

Well he has been claimed. What now? We have to let him go or take him off waivers?

I don’t understand this move. He is my favorite player, and there is NO OTHER center fielder in the game we should want at the position for 10 more years. My god, what are we doing?

By KoKo

August 4, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

To Andruw: I have so enjoyed watching you play baseball since the age of 19. I would love to see you retire as a Brave, but if that’s not to be, I hope your new team makes it all the way - you deserve to be a World Series winner!!!! From all I have read above, it seems staying healthy, playing hard and being dependable and dedicated enables a team to make money off you, but they aren’t willing to pay you. As long as I remember anything, I will remember your joining the Braves in the World Series and how much fun you appeared to have. If you have to go, I hope it’s to the best team around!!! You are a quality player and I’ll always pull for you.

By Jay

August 4, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Bye Andruw. Dont let the Gold club hit you on the way out.

By Thor

August 4, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Trade fat a*s Andruw. Appartenly, Boston claimed him according to foxsports.com in Rumors. Before the deadline the Braves wanted starting pitcher Jon Lester and Coco Crisp plus another player. The Red Sox thought that was too much but I guess have changed their minds. The Braves would gain a starter and an equally as talented CF. Say goodbye to Andruw and his happy fat a*s. Braves odds of 60 to 1 of winning the World Series will certainly improve if this trade happens.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

Well, Shawn, I’m glad you asked about does anyone have any ideas about moving salary. I think I have an idea about moving some salary and making enough room to offer Andruw a very fair offer.

Everyone please hear me out and think about this for a minute before making snap judgements.

I looked at the Braves payroll for next year. Given that it will stay the same the dispatched salaries of Pratt, Reitsma, and Jordan basically will be offset by Hampton’s returing salary. (The part the insurance didn’t pay) Now, if you include Smoltz’s option, which will produce an extra 3 mil (he is currently making 11 mil and the option calls for 8 mil)and the money freed up that was given to Wickman and Baez this year that is basically 9 mil. If Baez shows he can do the job the rest of the season there is no way he shouldn’t be offered a contract. I say whoever we get for the closer’s role should be offered no more than 7 mil. That leaves an extra 2 mil lying around.

Now, to the meat of my proposal. During the winter I say JS should give the Angels a call and make the following offer. We offer them Giles, LaRoche, Langerhans, and Ramirez. In return they give us Figgins, Erwin Santana, and Howie Kendrick. Before everyone starts saying, “Whatever. They would never make such a deal!” I disagree.

Here is exactly why the Angels would at the very least listen to the deal. They want a solid defensive power hitting 1B. Kotchman just didn’t do the job. They were hard after Casey and Hillenbrand. LaRoche fits that description. Look, Adam will probably hit 30-35 HR and 80+RBI by the time the season is over. If you consider that he only started playing full time a month and a half ago, those are pretty good numbers. Over the course of an entire season there is no reason to believe he can’t hit 35HR and drive in 100+RBI. Especially in the hitter friendly parks of the American League. They would take Giles because despite what you people say, Giles is a good 2B. He can hit and has very good defense. He would be a bit pricey at 5 mil but cheaper than what they would have to pay Adam Kennedy. Horacio would take the place of Santana in the rotation. Ramirez is a very servicable major league starter and probably would flourish under Bud Black. Langerhans would be an excellent 4th outfielder and defensive replacement and would have to be better than Curtis Pride. As for losing Figgins, the Angels have the money to replace him via free agency.

From the Braves perspectiive. Figgins would be an obvious upgrade. He gives us a true leadoff hitter. (The guy has 40 SB already.) Could you imagine that outfield with Andruw, Frenchy, and Figgins?! Santana would give us a terrific young starter with playoff experience. (Good playoff experience. Don’t forget he knocked out the Yanks last year in the ALDS.) And, Kendrick would give us another utility guy that could come off the bench and allow us to rid ourselves of Pete Orr. Figgins can play 2B, SS, 3B, and all three outfield positions. Kendrick can play anywhere in the infield.

The lineup would be: Figgins, Renteria, Chipper, Andruw, McCann, Francoeur, Thorman/Jurries, Prado/Kendrick, Aybar, and the pitcher.

The money would saved would give us an additional 5 mil, which added to the other extra 2 mil would give the front office 7 mil. They could take 2 mil of that to get an outfielder to replace Langerhans.

The position players roster would be the above lineup with a bench of: Aybar, Kendrick, Jurries, Bryan Pena, and whatever extra OF they could pick up. With Santana in the rotation James could go back down to Richmond and get more seasoning and be a callup if anyone gets hurt (ie: Hampton).

The best part of all this would be we would have an extra 5 mil and with that money we could offer it to Andruw. Make a offer of 17.5 mil a year over 5-7 years with options for the 6th and 7th seasons at a reduced amount (14 or 15 mil). We could get Andruw signed to an extension during this offseason or spring training.

James could take Smoltz’s place in the rotation in 2008 and a good 7 mil or so freed up by that. By the time Frenchy, McCann, Kendrick, Aybar, James, Davies, and Figgins would be up for arbitration Hudson, Chipper, and Hampton’s contract would be expiring freeing up a crap load of money.

Sounds ambitious I know. But, if you think about it it is very doable. The deal would benefit both teams in the present and future. Sure the Angels would be taking on payroll. However, LaRoche, Giles, and Horacio would be cheaper than any free agent signings they would have to make to upgrade those positions and all three would be fit in very well with Scioscia’s system.

So, let me have it. Tell me how asinine all of this sounds.

But, remember the key to all of this is it would allow Andruw to stay a Brave.

By shawn

August 4, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

The guy makes 13.5 MILLION so get off the Braves won’t pay him crap. What they won’t do is make a .265 hitter with 1 year of 40+ homers, and 4 years of 100+ rbis (he hits cleanup for God sakes) the highest paid player (behind AROD and Manny of course) in baseball when they NEED so many OTHER pieces. By the way as soon as he was claimed if they weren’t going to trade him WHY wasn’t he pulled back. They are at least talking about it.

By rob

August 4, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Dear Jay and Thor: go f*** yourselves

By shawn

August 4, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Sorry Robert just don’t think Angels would do that maybe but don’t think so. Just my opinion.I think there will be less money than you think left over as well. Again just my opinion.

By nathan

August 4, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL BLIND!!!!!!

How many titles have we won with Andruw?

How many MVP’s has he won?

How many times has he been the batting champ?

How many times has he led the league in homeruns?

How many titles has SF won with Barry Bonds?

How Many titles did the Braves win with Dale Murphy?

How many titles did the Mariners win with Griffey Jr? (not to mention both him and Arod!)

IT’S NOT ABOUT ONE GREAT PLAYER!! LAST TIME I CHECKED THE SPORT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT TENNIS, DIVING, SWIMMING, TRACK & FIELD, BOXING OR ANY OTHER 1 ON 1 SPORT!!!! IT’S THE TEAM GAME OF BASEBALL! MOVE ON. THE BRAVES WILL BE A BETTER TEAM FOR IT. FACE IT, IF THEY WIN A TITLE IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS WITHOUT ANDRUW, THAT WILL BE 1 MORE THAN THEY WON WITH HIM! ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, I WOULD TAKE A WINNING TEAM OVER ONE SUPERSTAR PLAYER! I ALREADY WATCHED THAT IN THE 80’S. IT SUCKED!!!!! BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY DALE MURPHY WAS MY FAVORITE! AND DON’T GIVE ME THE - WE’VE BEEN WINNGING B.S. - WE WON WITHOUT ANDRUW BEFORE & WE’LL WIN AFTER HE’S GONE! OTHER THAN LAST YEAR WHAT HAS HE DONE? OTHER THAN BE A 13 MILLION DOLLAR GOLD GLOVE WINNER. DAVID JUSTICE WAS A GOOD OUTFIELDER AND HE WAS A BETTER HITTER THAN ANDRUW, BACK WHEN 30 HR’S WON YOU AN MVP!!! BUT I DON’T SEE ANYBODY COMPLAINING THAT WE DIDN’T LOCK HIM UP FOR 10 YEARS! GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!

By Humpback Liner

August 4, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

The Braves are a scumbag organization and they just proved it by slapping every fan in the face even if A.J. doesn’t go anywhere.

By Tim Parker

August 4, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Time-Warner/AOL has ruined the legacy of the Atlanta Braves by being too cheap to keep talent and too cheap to pursue talent.

I think John Schuerholz has done a commendable job of making trades and signing players to fit the cheap suits at TW-AOL. I wish Arthur Blnak could purchase the team. He would spend the money needed to continue the tradition of winning.

Andrew Jones is one of my favorite players and I hate to see him go, but I understand the reality of the business and I would rather see us get something for him this year than to lose in free agency next year.

Somebody that cares about baseball and the Atlanta Braves please buy this team before they have a fire sale and get rid of all the talent. Please.

By rob

August 4, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Tim, I totally agree with you. Liberty Media will be a down grade from Time-Warner. That is definitely no good at all.

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Shawn, you may be right. The Angels may not take the deal, but I bet they would ponder it. One thing I left out. I’m sure I will hear why on earth would they let go of Figgins. I have that answer. His name is Alfonso Soriano. It was no secret that if the Nats had traded Soriano it was going to be to the Angels. The Angels wanted him bad. So, there is no reason to beleive they would not go out in free agency and get him to replace Figgins.

By nathan

August 4, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

shawn

thanx for bringing some sanity back to these blogs. you seem to GET IT.

I mean, come on! It’s not like we’re talking about trading Smoltz. (which I wouldn’t be opposed to if it brought a LOT of talent in return)

But the difference is, WE NEED PITCHING! We have plenty of offense. If we actually had 2 or 3 guys, (including pitchers) that could bunt to save their a*******es, then we could manufacture runs. What happens if we get in the playoffs? I can 100 percent without a doubt guraantee you that Francoeur will not see a fast ball (or any pitch) for a strike against REAL pitchers. This whole team (other than Andruw last year) is based on HR’s hit off of MISTAKE pitches. GUESS WHAT! You don’t see many mistakes in October!

Without some sort of small ball (sacrifice bunts, hit and runs, steals, taking the extra base, hitting cutoff men, not ignoring baserunners and 100 other “small things) THIS TEAM AINT WINNING SQUAT!!! Even if by some act of congress, or some other freak of nature, they get in the post season. THEY WILL HAVE THEIR A*******ES HANDED TO THEM ON A PAPER PLATE! (nobody would waste a silver platter on this pitching staff LOL!)

I’m not negative….I’M REALISTIC.

If JS made the right trades, this team would not only be in better shape to contend NEXT YEAR, but for many years to come. Damn ostritches, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND!

By Robert(Justice Is The Best)

August 4, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Here is why I think the Angels would make the deal. One they would not have to give up any of their prized minor league players. While they would be getting rid of some very good players they have plenty of guys to replace them down the road. They would be getting relatively cheap major league players who have playoff experience and know what it takes to win being part of a winning orginization already. Honestly, I think it would be a win win situation for both teams.

By Garry

August 4, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

I have been a Braves fan my whole life, been following them everywhere I’ve moved to and been stationed at. God bless TBS. It was a heartbreaker when we lost Murph, but if we lose Andruw, I don’t think I’ll ever watch the game again.

By insanebrave

August 4, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

ok,let’s deal AJ to the Bosox for Big Papi,and Hansen.

By nathan

August 4, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Actually for my last post, I should appologize to Renteria and McCann. They are actually good HITTERS. They take the ball the other way, they are patient, they work the count, the have a plan.

All of the “power” hitters on this team (Giles - he thinks he is anyway, AJ, Fracoeur, LaRoche…..nothing but a bunch of MISTAKE hitters. - Which should be the only reason Francoeur ever gets anything over the plate to hit. If the scouting report aint out to other teams by now - god help them)

Notice that I left Chipper off of the list all together. YUP I did! See, you actually have to play once every 4 or 5 weeks to be counted as a “player”. But having said that, if he were healthy, he would be added to the group of people that has a clue. Chippers a GREAT HITTER, when he can pick up a bat without jamming a finger or slipping on the way to the bat rack.

By Paul Herrmann

August 4, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

If this is Baseball in the new millienium, ten screw baseball. You don’t trade the best player you have. This is sickening and I have been a Brave fan since the arrival in Atlnata. If they trade him. I will never again watch a braves game and I would hope the braves would have a lossing season till Jones retires.

By Robert

August 4, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

I think -

By Insane Brave

August 4, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Some of you have asked this question and I want to echo it: Has anyone seriously contemplated what the team would lose by giving up AJ? How many of you actually think that Lagerhans is a suitable replacement for Andruw? Next season the Braves will go into Spring training with this batting order - Aybar leading off (2nd), Renteria (SS), McCann (C), Chipper (3rd), LaRoche (1st), Frenchy (RF), Thurmon (LF), Lagerhans (CF). The starting rotation will be as follows: Smoltz, Hudson, Hampton, James, Davies. We may get a young pitcher out of the deal; however, we will not get a guy that can produce like AJ.

One last thing, what really concerns me is that people are willing to trade an all-star and potential hall of famer for potential talent. AJ has proven his worth in the major leagues. The guys that we get in return, who knows what they will be able to produce. And if we get players with any major league experience, I guarantee you, they will come no where near AJ’s production. If they did, then JS would have to pay them AJ money (Question: why hasn’t JS held preliminary discussions w/ AJ’s agent. This would give him the intel he needs to determine whether or not we can actually afford Andruw.

By nathan

August 4, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

Paul

Were you saying “baseball sucked” when the Padres traded Fred McGriff (their best player at the time) to us in 1993? Or how about when we traded “overhyped” Odalis Perez and worthless Brian Jordan to the Dodgers for Sheffield?(arguably, their best player) How about when Maddux “ditched” Chicago to sign with the Braves? Or maybe it REALLY sucked for you when the Mariners traded Griffey Jr away, quite possibly the greatest player of ALL TIME, much less on his team. Then again, maybe when McGwire was traded from Oakland to St. Louis that was the final straw?

Oh….I see, when it’s YOUR favorite team, making the tough financial decisions, then you think the game of baseball SUCKS. Sounds to me as though you’ve just been a fan of the Braves, or maybe just their star players, rather than a fan of BASEBALL.

Just an observation. Nothing personal.

By nathan

August 4, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this

Insane Brave

To me it’s not ALL about the “return” for Andruw. I want to get somthing, in fact anything is better than the possibility of getting “nothing” for him if he leaves via Free Agency.

But to me, it’s about what they could “purchase” through Free Agency, or aquire in a veteran starter with good years ahead of them (kinda like Hudson was supposed to be), with the freed up CASH by “moving” Andruw.

It’s not about replacing him with somebody that can duplicate his stats. It’s about replacing him with somebody, possibly many people in other areas of need (PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING….you get the point) Of course, with all of the HEAVY contracts we have right now we can’t afford any more quality pitching. WE NEED TO MOVE SOMEBDOY. And quite honestly, Andruw is the one who could bring the most return, and the most salary relief. The only other move, to me, would be to just flat out dump Tim Hudson, for anything at all. GIVE HIM AWAY to anybody willing to take him off of our hands.

So yeah, I’m not going to argue with you about Langerhans. I actually think he would play a above average CF defensibly. But to me, he’ll probably never be anything more than a fourth outfielder due to his bat. It’s not like he’s a spring chicken, age wise. Sounds like a decent eighth place hitter to me. Didn’t we win for a couple of years with Rafael Belliard at SS? (all glove - no hit!)

BTW: nice diving catch Langerhans….almost on cue! LOL

Pitching, Defense and timely hitting. It’s a formula that will NEVER stop being a winning combination.

By southernjackass

August 4, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

I Think the Braves should trade Andruw Jones to Giants for Barry Bonds,They both have used steroids and will complment each other very well.Andruw Jones is not that great of a Center Fielder.He is very slow and lazy.all those steroids are catching up with him.

By southernjackass

August 4, 2006 07:35 PM | Link to this

The Mets are the greatest.Mets Rule,Braves Suxs

By Marco

August 4, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

Long term contracts suck! Players are too fragile for that large of an investment. Give them two years tops with lots of incentives. Improve the farm system and keep those baby Braves coming. They are more fun to watch play and stay healthier. Andruw is a class act but he will be dealt. Too bad we cannot deal some of our other high dollar players who are in and out of injury rehab on a regular basis.

By Charless

August 4, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Why not put Andruw on waivers? He is only the GREATEST defensive centerfielder in history. Time Warner is a joke and has truly tried to destroy teh Braves. Ted’s a Communist Pig but he did love the Braves. Time Warner is just a bunch of cheap Communist.

By Rachel Fowler

August 4, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

In view of Chipper being hurt so much I thought trading Betermit was a mistake. I realize the deal might have been made before Chipper’s last disablement. We are proving what losing our star players means to us. Trading Andruw would be a monumental mistake. There is no one out there who is worth losing Andruw. He has made our center field a place respected by all teams. Let some of our stars stay with the Braves their entire career.

By Heather

August 4, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

I think if Andruw goes…I go. Too many great players are not treated properly. Maddux for example. Some players want to stay Braves and get shown the door…others are welcomed and become greedy (Furcal and Drew). Now, I can’t see any reason why players make that kind of ridiculous amount of money anyway. But that’s another topic altogether. While I do understaqnd that his agent is ruthless, the Braves should not worry about trading him and just let his contract run out. I think this is a terrible slap in the face to a guy who took the team to the playoffs last year.

By journalist PENN

August 4, 2006 11:25 PM | Link to this

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By Heather

August 4, 2006 10:51 PM | Link to this

I think if Andruw goes…I go. Too many great players are not treated properly. Maddux for example. Some players want to stay Braves and get shown the door…others are welcomed and become greedy (Furcal and Drew). Now, I can’t see any reason why players make that kind of ridiculous amount of money anyway. But that’s another topic altogether. While I do understaqnd that his agent is ruthless, the Braves should not worry about trading him and just let his contract run out. I think this is a terrible slap in the face to a guy who took the team to the playoffs last year. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Heather, I am happy you are not running a business in which I have an investment. Mighty glad.

By casey

August 5, 2006 07:33 PM | Link to this

Do not read too much into this. if all the names of players who are put on and taken off waivers was released you would see that this happens all the time.

By Mary Clark

August 5, 2006 08:23 PM | Link to this

Keep the Jones boy that isn’t always hurt!!! Chipper is older and misses so many games in a season. Let’s not forget that not only does Andrew drive in many runs in a season, but also saves many runs in a game wth his defense. Are we really going to trade the best centerfielder in MLB. Yes, JS, should have had the courtesy of telling Andrew that his head was on the chopping block!!! There are no secrets!

By Benjamin F. Logan, Sr.

August 5, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

I think that it is a disgrace that the Braves would put a person of Andrew Jones skills on the waiver list. They would never think of putting Chipper Jones or John Smoltz on the waiver list. I heard on the radio today that Andrew Jones has averaged 159 games per year during his career with the Braves. I bet you can’t find anyone else that has been in the league as long as he has that has averaged that many games per year.

It really stinks that they would do such, and it raises the RACE card for me.

Thanks.

By Benjamin F. Logan, Sr.

August 5, 2006 09:25 PM | Link to this

I think that it is a disgrace that the Braves would put a person of Andrew Jones skills on the waiver list. They would never think of putting Chipper Jones or John Smoltz on the waiver list. I heard on the radio today that Andrew Jones has averaged 159 games per year during his career with the Braves. I bet you can’t find anyone else that has been in the league as long as he has that has averaged that many games per year.

It really stinks that they would do such, and it raises the RACE card for me.

Thanks.

By BJ

August 6, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

PLEASE SAY IT ISN’T SO! Andrew is one of the best players the Braves have. I always like to see his smile. If any trading has to be done send Chipper Jones. He isn’t earning his salary. I feel like Andrew more than earns his salary for the plays he makes.

He has been a loyal player for a long time and I am praying he won’t be traded.

By Linda

August 7, 2006 07:07 AM | Link to this

I lose more respect for the Braves management everyday. I guess they don’t want to win anymore titles. If you want better attendance at the games, then you better keep/acquire better players. This is the worst season.