College recruiting

By UGA'91

January 29, 2009 8:01 PM | Link to this

Another one that got away. Tech seems to be having a problem with landing recruits this year. He chose Iowa over sunny Atlanta…wow. 45-42 but not for long.

By TDone

January 29, 2009 8:05 PM | Link to this

But UGA 91, he did not choose to be a myopian hush puppy either.

By CoachPaulJohnson

January 29, 2009 8:11 PM | Link to this

Yeah, but trying to steal Mr. Stephen Hill didn’t work out too well, did it?

By buzzman

January 29, 2009 8:38 PM | Link to this

i guess we do suck we’ll never get any where if we keep recruting like this nobody wants to come to tech anymore i guess thats because we don’t play in the sec we really need to learn to play tough ball i mean just because we beat UGA one time in 8 years does not give us the right to think we own them they own us if we can’t get recruits we will never be looked on as a tough program

By deputy dawg

January 29, 2009 9:01 PM | Link to this

Yechies, If Hill would rather go to a school where he can run down field and block and hardly ever see the ball thrown to him, so be it. It wasnt a very good career choice for him. But, yanno, good luck to the kid, good luck to Tech. Dont let one victory in 8 years make yall think your invincible. Coach PJ is a great guy…was awesome at GSU, thats the only reason Im as polite to you as I am. GO DAWGS!!!

By Larry

January 29, 2009 9:01 PM | Link to this

Jeff Hood,

Do you realize that in your headline and opening comments that one just visiting your blog wouldn’t have a clue whether Nolan MacMillan is a football, baseball, basketball or badminton player? I had to read into the responses to learn this guy is apparently a football player but I still haven’t a clue what position!

Journalism Grade: D

By The Big Bug

January 29, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

Iowa over the other three? Go figure. Hey Jeff, mention the position next time, OK?

By TECH WRECKED...again

January 29, 2009 9:11 PM | Link to this

Wow. Cant believe GT was recruiting this kid. Thought CPJ wanted smaller quick lineman for his option offense? This kid is hugh!

Me thinks smaller and quicker is a translation for “we will take the best of whats left after the big boys get through…and hope for the best.”

As for “stealing Hill”…He was told from the beginning that he was not the first option for UGA. He wanted to go to UGA but they did not offer. He comitted to CF before GT stole him from them. Only after part of plan A fell through for UGA did they go back and offer him. Even though I am a hugh UGA fan, I was glad to see the kid honor his comittment to GT…even if he did renig on his comittment to CF.

By jacketbacker

January 29, 2009 9:12 PM | Link to this

yep, might as well shut down the program….we missed out on a recruit ( HAHAHAHAHAHA)…who cares…happens every year to every program…nobody gets ‘um all……we seemed to have enough to beat the pre-season national champs on their home field, on vince douchebag day, and senior day…….

45-42!!!!!!!!

THWG

By Big MIKE

January 29, 2009 9:32 PM | Link to this

Any kid who would rather go to the corn field of iowa than the ATL, must have seen something he didn’t like. And being the third best school in the state behind UGA,Ga Southern, doesn’t help, good luck kid, have fun in the big ten, I know i did.

By Carter

January 29, 2009 9:33 PM | Link to this

Wow…I am shocked. GT had a 9-4 season and achieved a birth in the dome in their backyare for a bowl game. I am shocked that GT didn’t get this guy. Surely, everyone wants to play for GT, because they are going to win national championships for years to come. They whopped GA for the first time in 8 years, so that has to mean that they are superior to all other teams. This is shocking!

By The Big Bug

January 29, 2009 9:40 PM | Link to this

Tech Wrecked, You need to change your name to DOGGIE WRECKED.This guy must be a DL anyway. And for heavens sake, it’s HUGE not HUGH.

By The Big Bug

January 29, 2009 9:50 PM | Link to this

And BTW DOGGIE WRECKED, the word is RENEGE not RENIG. The latter is what occurs at shift change at Church’s Fried Chicken.

By gtwin

January 29, 2009 9:55 PM | Link to this

45-42

Nice of the ajc to remove the “uga did the same thing to GT in recruiting last year” article. way to show some unbiased proper journalism for once ajc!

Jeff,

As others have said, you should probably mention the sport, position, and class of the player. It may be useful to mention some of the players strengths and weaknesses as well. Not everyone knows who Nolan MacMillan is off of the top of their heads…

By POS Mutts

January 29, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this

All you little mutt punks who keep preaching this “once in every eight years” crap, you go on believing that. Matter of fact, if Gailey was still GT’s coach, I would believe it too. But this ain’t Chan Gailey coaching at GT anymore. As long as CPJ is coaching at GT, you won’t enjoy another long streak like the one that was just broken. Guaranteed.

The game is on and you’re scared and worried.

A GREAT 2008 it was!! NO NAT’L CHAMPS!! NO SEC CHAMPS!! NO STATE CHAMPS!!

By The Big Bug

January 29, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this

HeyMikey, been on that crack pipe again haven’t you?

By TECH WRECKED...again

January 29, 2009 10:22 PM | Link to this

Big Bug you could be right..all i know is that the GT blog writer said he was an OT. But you know as well as I, when you get info re: football related from a techie it could very well be inaccurate!!!

Hope you guys win 9 games next year so the players can get another ring!!!

By Old Gold

January 29, 2009 10:24 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

Hate to add to the criticism, but according to Rivals MacMillan is rated as a 3 star, so there is no way he could be the 45th ranked prospect in the country. You might want to check your source. Sorry to see this one get away from the Jackets, but it’s not as big a loss as this article makes it seem.

By wow

January 29, 2009 10:27 PM | Link to this

The number 45th ranked prep school player in the nation? What, is that out of a possible 50? Seriously, there can’t be that many. Anyway, it would have been nice to get another offensive lineman but this is no big loss, it was a stretch trying to land this kid anyways this late in the game. Good luck to him.

By TECH WRECKED...again

January 29, 2009 10:37 PM | Link to this

To: POS mutts

Now that you mention it, I guess it was a GREAT 2008 for you nerds. 9-4 aint bad for GT…considering you have had several losing seasons in the last 25(including two 1 win seasons and a 2 win season) Really a shame you had to end the GREAT year getting embarassed on national TV in your bowl game. And i have to give credit where credit is due…GT really traveled well for that bowl game even though it was over 2 miles from campus!!

And i readily admit it was a bad year for UGA. We were only 10-3 and ranked number 10th in the final poll!!!!

Imagine that. 10 wins and the dawgs didnt even get rings!!!

By The Big Bug

January 29, 2009 10:38 PM | Link to this

I don’t think the blog writer identified the OL position in his original script judging by previous posts. I think it must have been added later. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

By TECH WRECKED...again

January 29, 2009 11:11 PM | Link to this

Big Bug..you are right if you are referring to the above article…there was an article last week that was specific about his position…Jeff obviously thought you techies would remember that info…you know him being a tech recruit and all!!!

GEEEZE

By GT student

January 29, 2009 11:16 PM | Link to this

hey tech wrecked you forgot to mention the National Championship we won in that same 25 year span….UGA cant say the same.

By TECH WRECKED...again

January 29, 2009 11:33 PM | Link to this

GT student…you mean the 1/2 NC you were voted by the AP???? the same year you were not even considered good enough to deserve a major bowl bid?? That one?

GT and BYU…the only schools in the modern era of college football to win a shared NC without being deemed deserving of a major bowl bid!!!

See ya at Booby Dudd in 10 months! By the way…thanks a ton for the cheap season tickets…if we couldnt get those cheap ticket package we would have only 10,00 uga FANS ABLE TO ATTEND!!

By GT student

January 29, 2009 11:51 PM | Link to this

that half championship is still more than uga has won in the last 25 years…most people thought we were screwed over that year…especially when UC-bolder had one loss and had 5 downs to win its bowl game versus notre dame. No matter what you say tech has a national championship from 1990…the NCAA recognizes it. 12-0-1 with a win over a number one team in UVA, and an absolute thrashing of Nebraska.

By Big BCH 99

January 29, 2009 11:55 PM | Link to this

Since the kid is from New Jersey, maybe he wanted to go closer to home, Iowa is certainly closer than Atlanta.

The Journalism is atrocious, the only time the Athens Urinal Constipation mentions Tech recruiting as a top story is one they don’t get one, not when they do. Why don’t they just call it the Athens JC instead of Atlanta.

By Big BCH 99

January 30, 2009 12:12 AM | Link to this

Since the kid is from New Jersey, maybe he wanted to go closer to home, Iowa is certainly closer than Atlanta.

The Journalism is atrocious, the only time the Athens Urinal Constipation mentions Tech recruiting as a top story is one they don’t get one, not when they do. Why don’t they just call it the Athens JC instead of Atlanta.

By hop

January 30, 2009 7:36 AM | Link to this

We only hear of tech’s 1/2 championship in 1990,but nothing of substance since then.

the flash in the plan year in 1990,but nothing since then,if that makes you guys at the trade school happen, go for it!

uga is constantly in the top ten and competing for conference championships regularly, winning two in this decade.

we will see you guys in november at grants toom with our 40-5o% fan base in attendance!

By .............buLLdawg

January 30, 2009 7:47 AM | Link to this

Yep, you guessed it.

Im back, only as TECH WRECKED…..again

Also as the phaggot RealityYech

I am very pathetic

I just can’t get over the fact that I talked sh!t all year long, only to lose on senior and dooley day!

Im currently 3 fingers deep if you know what I mean.

I should go kill myself because I don’t have any friends, and would pee in my pants during any confrontation :(

By CrowderGT

January 30, 2009 7:50 AM | Link to this

Nolan MacMillan is a 3 star recruit on Rivals, unranked even for his position. He’s a 1 star on Scout.com, also not ranked for his position (clearly). Not sure where that ranking in the article came from.

Hop, justify it all you want, but Tech still has more NCs than UGA in the last quarter century. Also, what is a “40-50% fan base?”

PS - 45-42… Between the hedges… Despite your “40-50% fan base” being in full attendence.

By DC

January 30, 2009 8:00 AM | Link to this

IOWA?

By CrowderGT

January 30, 2009 8:01 AM | Link to this

To “wow”… You do not understand recruiting at all. Please refrain from making comments on topics of which you have no knowledge.

“Prep school” means high school, to distinguish from JuCo. So there are hundreds of thousands, not 50. Also, it is not unusual at all to try to land recruits right up until they sign with another school. This is hardly late in the game at all, since signing day (the first day a kid can sign with a school) has not yet come to pass.

By GA Tech Insider

January 30, 2009 8:49 AM | Link to this

Jeff;

I’m not sure where you got your information, but Nolan was not ranked that high by either recruiting service. He is an outstanding prospect, though.

While Nolan was a player that GA Tech wanted to have on the team next year, Tech knew up front that Iowa was always the probable destination because of the relationship that Nolan’s Father had with Iowa’s Head Football Coach.

In case you aren’t familiar with him, Nolan only played in the United States for one year, after moving to a Private School in New Jersey from Canada so he would have more exposure to US Colleges.

GA Tech is appreciative of Nolan’s consideration and wish nothing but the best for him in his Collegiate career.

By GT76

January 30, 2009 8:51 AM | Link to this

The number of UGA bloggers attacking and trying to belittle GT suggests they know GT is a real threat. It also suggests there are a lot of “dawgs” out there who feel the need to cut GT down so they look better. If they were honest they would see that GT is trending upwards and they are trending downwards.

By RealityYech

January 30, 2009 8:52 AM | Link to this

BAWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!! Wow, Saint Johnson is REALLY reeling them in alright!! LOL!!! Best season Yech has had in almost two decades and they can’t get crap out of their recruiting class, Lol, classic!!!

It’s so bad that a KEY target of theirs would rather go to freakin’ I-O-W-A than to Atlanta. That about sums up Yech’s most disappointing recruiting class. LOL!! I love it!!

By GT76

January 30, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this

The number of UGA bloggers attacking and trying to belittle GT suggests they know GT is a real threat. It also suggests there are a lot of “dawgs” out there who feel the need to cut GT down so they look better. If they were honest they would see that GT is trending upwards and they are trending downwards.

By Ray Goof

January 30, 2009 9:10 AM | Link to this

Year after year, the dawgs/Richt have top 5 recruiting classes. The athletes at ugay are amazing, third string would be starters at GT, yet they don’t seem to be able to beat the gators and now they’re losing to GT. Think they’ll ever contend for a national championship? This past year was the year … likely not to happen now for a while ….

By Annoyed_Jacket

January 30, 2009 9:13 AM | Link to this

Belittling or not, they have a valid point. We’ve basically only been able to get one top notch recruit and hold on to him, and that’s only because UGA didn’t show him any attention early on.

I’m getting very concerned with Johnson’s recruiting tatics.

Who the heck bolts to Iowa when they have an opportunity to play in a more pleasant and appealing environment. Not to mention a much better program.

Something is not right with this.

By Ray Goof

January 30, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Year after year, the dawgs/Richt have top 5 recruiting classes. The athletes at ugay are amazing, third string would be starters at GT, yet they don’t seem to be able to beat the gators and now they’re losing to GT. Think they’ll ever contend for a national championship? This past year was the year … likely not to happen now for a while ….

By Pi$$onTech

January 30, 2009 9:26 AM | Link to this

Now they’re losing to GT? You do realize they lost by 3 points for the first time in 8 years, right?

Last year was the year? Sure, before they lost their two starting left tackles. Best defensive player, and not to mention dozens of other injuries and 18 season ending injuries. Anyone that really knows football should be amazed they finished with 10 wins.

No other team that would have suffered what UGA did would have accomplished that feat.

If anything, last season was Richt’s best coaching performance to date.

Nice try with the spin though, douche

By ???????

January 30, 2009 10:16 AM | Link to this

Wow, this kid would rather play for pi$$ poor Iowa than the Jackets? According to all the nerd fans I thought top recruits were going to just show up on Johnson’s front door step begging to play for the Jackets? Yet they can’t even convince a kid to play for an “offense that is going to dominate the world” and a program that is supposedly on the rise, that they’re better than God awful Iowa????

Too funny for words….

By Glenn

January 30, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this

Pi$$onTech;

By the time they played UGA, GA Tech lost all of its starting Offensive Line, a starting Wide Receiver and a Backup Wide Receiver, half of its starting Defensive Line, two starting Line Backers’s, and all but one of its starting Defensive Backs. And by the way, our starting QB was playing on two bum legs/ankles.

Oh yeah, GA Tech was already playing with a limited number of players on the team on scholarship due to a Institutional misunderstanding which placed the team on NCAA probation for the first time in history as well as having several of the remaining scholarship players leaving the team due to injuries and leaving due to injuries or because they didn’t think they were a good fit for the new offense.

Finally, the players on the GA Tech sideline were not so widely heralded out of High Schools as the ones on the UGA sideline now were they?

Add all those factors together and I’d say that Mark Richt and his staff didn’t do a very good job against GA Tech last Fall now, did they? Or, is it more appropriate to say that Paul Johnson, and the GA Tech Yellow Jackets were a better prepared, better Coached, and more driven Team than UGA?

By Mike Bobo the clown

January 30, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this

It is humorous how many UGA fans jumped on this blog. It does not even matter if UGA gets their * recruits because they either end up in jail, under perform, or at GA Military Academy for grades. They can not take it that the Jackets are a better team with a better future and better coach. You can’t beat Florida ever and now your the second best team in the state. WE BEAT YOU AT YOUR PLACE and WE WILL BEAT YOU AT OUR PLACE THIS YEAR!!! 45-42 TO HELL WITH GEORGIA!!!

By Pi$$onTech

January 30, 2009 10:49 AM | Link to this

Glenn,

You’re either being incredibly sarcastic or you’re a complete moron. Tech didn’t suffer even a fraction of the crap you just made up. Nice try though.

“Institutional misunderstanding?” Yeah, I’d say passing close to 20 STUDENT athletes that were actually failing a “misunderstanding.” That is one of the biggest academic scandals in ACC history. Tech got busted for being cheating hypocrites.

For any team to suffer 18 season ending injuries, on top of dozens of other injuries throughout the year that cost key players to miss significant amounts of time, and to still win 10 games is amazing.

Richt had his 5th 10+ win season. While Johnson will never have one before he’s fired.

By Ray Goof

January 30, 2009 11:25 AM | Link to this

You know what I hate the most about ugay? I like Mark Richt. He is truly an awesome man and I hate that! I’d much prefer Donan or Goff be running the team, it would make it soooooo much easier pulling against the pups!

By Glenn the scumbag

January 30, 2009 12:14 PM | Link to this

Glenn is a typical lying, POS Tech trash.

Tech had 3 of their 5 opening day starters on OL playing. The other two had been in the rotation all season long. They had every single one of their skills players and entire defense.

Tech could barely beat a makeshift UGA team. It speaks volumes.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this

As far as the “academic scandal” at Tech is concerned it did NOT involve passing ANY students that were actually failing. Nice try though. The sanctions were due to poor academic advising and oversight, not poor academic integrity. Tech athletes were not advised on which courses counted towards “progress towards a degree” so they took too many electives - electives that any UGA football player would certainly fail - and though they did generally do very well in them, they did not have enough hours in core classes, and the advisors were not properly trained in NCAA regulations to notice and prevent this or to withhold these players from the playing field. There were a handful of students who were also failing but their advisors did not understand NCAA regulations and did not know that given their GPA’s they were ineligible to play. Their JOB was to alert the coaches which players were not meeting standards and they failed to do so, so the coaches had no way of knowing and played the players. Don’t take my word for it. The infractions are well documented. It was a complete failure on the part of some under-trained academic advisors and did not resemble the Jan Kemp affair which so well represents UGA athletics as a whole.
See this article before you go mouthing off about our academic indiscretions. 92% of your football players were admitted as EXCEPTIONS to your academic admissions standards. 9% of OUR football players were admitted as exceptions to our academic admissions standards.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 12:24 PM | Link to this

As far as the “academic scandal” at Tech is concerned it did NOT involve passing ANY students that were actually failing. Nice try though. The sanctions were due to poor academic advising and oversight, not poor academic integrity. Tech athletes were not advised on which courses counted towards “progress towards a degree” so they took too many electives - electives that any UGA football player would certainly fail - and though they did generally do very well in them, they did not have enough hours in core classes, and the advisors were not properly trained in NCAA regulations to notice and prevent this or to withhold these players from the playing field. There were a handful of students who were also failing but their advisors did not understand NCAA regulations and did not know that given their GPA’s they were ineligible to play. Their JOB was to alert the coaches which players were not meeting standards and they failed to do so, so the coaches had no way of knowing and played the players. Don’t take my word for it. The infractions are well documented. It was a complete failure on the part of some under-trained academic advisors and did not resemble the Jan Kemp affair which so well represents UGA athletics as a whole.
See this article before you go mouthing off about our academic indiscretions. 94% of your football players were admitted as EXCEPTIONS to your academic admissions standards. 9% of OUR football players were admitted as exceptions to our academic admissions standards.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 12:41 PM | Link to this

Glenn, there was no need to lie. The truth of the overwhelming odds that were against us in this matchup with Georgie is startling enough. True, 3 of our 5 opening day starters on OL were playing. What all of Glenn’s detractor’s would prefer to overlook is that there were only 2 O-line members in the entire 2-deep who had ever started a game before this season, and one of them (the best O-line player on the team BY FAR) was out with a season ending injury. Our secondary and linebackers were not only far less heralded as recruits, but apart from a SINGLE senior who was OUT for the Georgia game, only Morgan Burnett had started any games before the season began. Then we could go on to the 76 freshman and sophomores on the two-deep, and the fact that our recruiting classes have only ONCE cracked the top 25 in the last decade, and the fact that we were playing between the hallowed hedges and this clearly should have never been a ball game - in spite of your weak “injuries” excuse.

By st simons

January 30, 2009 1:16 PM | Link to this

45-42!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha aand beat uga in basketball to! hahahahahahahhahahahahahah

By hem o'roid

January 30, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

Hey pi$$ontech—You sir are a stupid douche bag in the first degree. Tell me how their 2 STARTING left tackles were both injured. Idiot, you can only have one starter at a time unless of course you cheat, which I admit the leg humpers have become adept at doing. Jeez, what an absolute idiot. Pi$$ on you and the dog terds.

By Jack

January 30, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

Hey, Tech Wrecked, would you care to explain what the words “hugh” and “renig” mean? It’s HUGE and RENEGE, dummy. So much for a stellar education at UGAG. Oh, that’s right, you probably never even finished kindergarten.

By rrcrew

January 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

Hey, Tech Wrecked, would you care to explain what the words “hugh” and “renig” mean? It’s HUGE and RENEGE, dummy. So much for a stellar education at UGAG. Oh, that’s right, you probably never even finished kindergarten.

By EXCUSES

January 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Link to this

BUT…………..BUT……………..We are jawja!!!! We ALWAYS beat tech!! IF we lost, which i don’t believe we did, it MUST have been due to injuries. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I think those same players were injured during the bama game!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I also think they were injured when UF stomped a mud hole in our arse!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I have tons of excuses why GT won!!!!

INJURIES

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Jesus, what a bunch of cry baby sissy phaggots. Seriously, you guys embarrass yourselves. You lost, get over it. Don’t come over here and talk sh!t unless you want to get your noses rubbed in it.

Of course, you are a bunch of classless, white trash, probably laid off, inbred dogs, so you enjoy it.

By Glenn the scumbag

January 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

Zach,

Why do you scumbag Tech fans always lie? Why can’t you make one honest post? Why do you feel the need to lie constantly?

From ESPN:

*”Marsh said the committee concluded the “institutional failure” to train the employees on NCAA rules “constitutes a non-debatable lack of institutional control.”

Marsh said the committee was influenced by the fact some of the 11 football players, who were not named, were stars.

“Many of these student-athletes were prominent members of the team, including multiple-year starters who had received conference and national recognition for their athletic performances,” Marsh said.

“It is impossible to say what part it played, but it did play a part,” Marsh said.

Marsh said the committee found six student-athletes were allowed to count grades of D for satisfactory progress even though their majors required grades of C or better. Four were allowed to continue in athletics despite lacking the necessary percentage of degree requirements.”*

So Zach, if you ever attended college you’d realize that in order to pass a class in your MAJOR you need a C or better. So yes, it did involve students that were FAILING.

Why do scumbag Techies feel the need to always lie?

By hem o'roid is special

January 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this

Are you that stupid? When you lose a starter you then replace that position with a NEW starter you dumbar$e. Which happened to UGA’s second best OL. Good gracious Tech fans are dumber than dirt!!!

By Zach

January 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this

I did not lie. Here is where I admitted in my post that some (and 6 is SOME of 17) students were failing: “There were a handful of students who were also failing but their advisors did not understand NCAA regulations and did not know that given their GPA’s they were ineligible to play” As for the last barb in your post about me attending college, I didn’t have to worry about D’s as I was getting my Tech undergrad and grad degrees, as I was never in danger of getting them. My alumni roommate would be interested, however in hearing that, as he managed to graduate with 2 D’s in major courses. Perhaps the confusion came from the GT course catalog which reads: “The letter grades for completed courses used in the calculation of scholastic average are the following:

A-excellent (four quality points) B-good (three quality points) C-satisfactory (two quality points) D-passing (one quality point) F-failure, must be repeated if in a required course (no quality points)”
and in the GT Mechanical Engineering degree requirements it further elaborates: “Q1. Is a D a passing grade?

For all ME and NRE students a D is a passing grade except for MATH 1501, MATH 1502, MATH 1522, MATH 2401, MATH 2403 and MATH/ISYE 3770 (NRE students only). You must have a C or better in the classes listed above. This information is also listed on the ME Curriculum and NRE Curriculum. In addition, a student’s ME/ NRE GPA and a student’s Overall GPA must both be a 2.00 or above at graduation. “

Sounds like perhaps it was a misunderstanding of the NCAA’s requirements vs. Tech’s requirements to me. (in case you’re wondering the math courses listed are Calc I, II, III, Differential Equations, and their Honors counterparts, and Probability and Statistics).

By Glenn the scumbag

January 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Link to this

Zach,

Let me apologize for calling you a liar. That was a bit harsh and I don’t believe you’re of the same disgusting character as Glenn or most other Tech fans. However, my point is still valid. It did involve students passing or failing.

I’m a proud alumnus of UGA. UGA appparently makes it more difficult to get your degree since you have to have C or higher in all major courses.

You would assume an institution that prides itself on having the best and the brightest such as Tech, would at least have a faculty competent enough to handle the most remedial of job requirements.

Maybe the most telling portion of my quote that proves cheating occured is this: influenced by the fact some of the 11 football players, who were not named, were stars.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

There are three items which makes that statement less-than-conclusive evidence of a lack of academic integrity: First and foremost, the fact that some of the 11 football players were stars could be circumstantial or even less meaningful. For example, the stars of any school are likely to be the admissions “academic exceptions” of the institute and thus are more likely to score lower in classes. As I posted above, only 9% of our football program were academic exception students as compared to 94% of Georgia’s players. It likely had an influence on the investigation board because of the IMPACT it had on Tech’s on-the-field performance, not because they were convinced of intentional cheating. Second, if anything, it could be a sign that teachers at Tech have MORE academic integrity than other schools that they are, like Jan Kemp - God bless her!, not willing to lower their academic standards so that students could get C’s and gave D’s fully anticipating that the players would not play on Saturdays. Third, the text is perhaps intentionally ambiguous stating that “some of the 11 football players… were stars”. How many is some? Let’s say it’s 3? In that case 27% of the failing students were stars, but what percentage of the team at large could be classified as “stars”. Even if the percentage of students failing was disproportionately large to the team as a whole, a sample size of 11 is hardly statistically significant.

Finally, in regards to your barb about UGA’s supposed higher standards, surely you must understand the meaninglessness of the letter grade as an absolute. Almost all classes are graded on a curve and professors are keenly aware that D’s classify as passing and are consequently more willing to divvy them out to students, not to mention the professors who have no qualms giving deserving students F’s. I’d say a more telling statistic as to the relatively high bar at Tech compared to Georgia is the higher caliber of student that attends Tech (see standardized scores, for lack of better evidence of student caliber) combined with the higher rate at which Tech students flunk out - prior to the addition of recent retention based programs, freshman retention rates were in the 65% range. So if smarter students are failing out at a higher rate, the bar must clearly be higher, regardless of what meaningless letter is assigned as a “passing” grade.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Link to this

Tech’s teaching faculty are among the brightest in their respective fields. The academic advisement officials hired by the Athletic Association are NOT teaching faculty and are not even employed by the institute as the Athletic Association is an entirely different entity.

Our Athletic Director clearly made bad hires or oversaw poor training of these individuals, but that would only be in line with what seems like a never-ending stream of Braine-freeze moments (I’m going to need to trademark that if more of these embarassing errors in the AA’s judgement surface). He’s also responsible for giving Chan Gailey a 5-year extension days before vacating his office, and offering Paul Hewitt a basically neverending contract which guarantees him 6-years pay if we ever should fire him (6-years pay for Hewitt currently stands at 9.5 million by the way). Thank you Dave Braine. You are not missed.

By Glenn the scumbag

January 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Link to this

Sounds like you’re reaching here. You said a lot that had nothing to counter my points.

This scandal occured over a 5 year period. Again, if Tech is so superior with academics then shouldn’t their staff members that are doing actual teaching be equally competent? Which clearly they weren’t. Personally, I think they finally got caught, given the amount of dumba$$es they’ve had in their programs. Look at all the thugs that have came and went that were able to hang around Tech for years. My quote is from the lead investigator who was essentially positive the “mistakes” were infulenced by some of the players (football) being the standouts on the team.

You’re implication that UGA doesn’t fail students is a bit absurd and without merit. It is also more difficult to get into UGA as a true freshman as opposed at Tech. Tech is an engineering school that finds itself with a Liberal Arts college. The majority of the students that attend there don’t even major in engineering. And what’s the percentage of athletes there that don’t major in engineering, 99%?A bit odd and obvious.

By Zach

January 30, 2009 4:26 PM | Link to this

I don’t know how what I said didn’t counter your points. Clearly I addressed your point directly. However, I’ll give arguing the facts with you one more go.
I’ve read the ESPN article three times and not once did it read to me that the investigator’s comments imply that he thought the mistakes were intentional and influenced by some of the players. That is your personal inference, derived based on your biased predisposition that Tech players are “thugs”. I have demonstrated in my 3 points how that statement could have had nothing to do with an intent to allow stars onto the field, so I won’t argue them again. As far as your claim that it is more difficult to get into Georgia, you can’t go based on percent admitted. The fact that more students applied there could merely indicate either that they didn’t think they had a realistic chance to get into Tech, or they weren’t interested in Engineering, or both. I suppose in your line of reasoning that Georgia had all the same applicants applying but CHOSE to take a lower caliber of student than Tech. Now why exactly would they do that? Tech offers a liberal arts college (and said college has only 3 majors - hardly a college) primarily for students who get into the engineering curriculum and decide they’re not made to crunch numbers, and for those who want the higher cache of a Tech degree without being engineers - though I am skeptical of this technique because employers aren’t going to be enthused about a Tech International Affairs major, just because he’s a Tech grad. To say that the majority of Tech students don’t even major in engineering is misleading at best. I haven’t found the statistics, but all you have to do is attend a Tech graduation to see that at least 40% of the students ARE in the college of engineering and another 30% is in the college of sciences (primarily computer science). Split hairs if you want, but we are hardly a liberal arts college masquerading as an engineering school. As far as the issue of players majoring in Management, it is what it is. It’s the easiest major on campus and it’s not representative of the usually high bar at Tech. I’ll admit that. I will argue, however, that a Tech Management degree is lightyears more difficult than the assortment of meaningless pieces of paper that Georgia football players “earn” at the end of their 4 years if they are so dedicated to actually graduate. And by the way, I looked it up and it’s only 56% of the players - still one of the largest percentages of football players at a school taking one major. I’ll take my Tech management grad over your Georgia Physical Education or General Studies grad any day of the week.

By Glenn the scumbag

January 30, 2009 5:07 PM | Link to this

Jeez, I just got schooled in logic. Maybe I should spend more time looking for a job, rather than talking trash on a GT blog. Im a freakin loser apparently.

By bh

January 30, 2009 10:21 PM | Link to this

recruiting high rank kids IS not everything. what we need ARE kids with intelligence, potential improving, and coming from behind. Otherwise, GT never beat Dawgsaccording to those ranking. Doesn’t that make each of butt kicking of UGA so SWEET?

By snapshot

January 31, 2009 8:05 AM | Link to this

I guess this young man looked a little deeper into what it takes to make it at Georgia Tech. Academics, Academics, and Academics. Go to ugay and party, you work the rest of your life. Go to Tech and work, party the rest of your life.

By White n Gold

January 31, 2009 8:43 AM | Link to this

GT didn’t really need this kid any way. We are loaded and WILL contend for the National Championship in 2009. You can bet on it!!!!!

By Scooter

January 31, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this

Hey_ annoyed Tech fan. I don’t believe you are actually a Tech fan but really a Butt sniffen, ball licking Dawg fan. I think Tech’s had a solid recruiting yr. thus far and will only get better in the future. I am smart enough to realize that Ga. will always out recruit us. But its what you can get out of a recruit that counts. Alot of times 4 and 5 star recruits don’t have the heart to play up to their ability. A great example is Ga. No way should we be able to beat them much less play them close. This year proved that with less talent but a great motivator as a coach Tech can beat anybody. Tech is on the rise and I look forward to a renewed rivalary with the Dawg nation. For all those Dawg fans that think Tech will not implement a passing attack you haven’t followed CPJ’s coaching career. Stephen Hill made a wise choice to choose Tech. Tech wanted him from the start and to Ga. he was nothing but an after thought if all else failed. We showed him respect where as you showed him disrespect. To all you Dawg fans I truly believe you have one of the top 5 programs in the country and you are where we would like to be. Coach Paul Johnson gives us hope to reach that pennicle. And as Forrest Gump once said ,”Thats all I’ve got to say about that”. GOOOOOOOO TECH

By Glenn the scumbag

January 31, 2009 10:19 PM | Link to this

The investigator in the article said he was pretty sure that the “star” football players more than likely received special attention. Why are you trying to deny that fact? Your pride as a fan of the toolbags is zapping your own honor. Face it, they cheated and got caught. And it just so happened to be one of the biggest academic scandals in ACC history. Deal with it and accept it and move on.

And yes, it is more difficult to get into UGA straight out of high school than it is Tech. It’s been this way for quite some time.

And I can sense your own annoyance that your school has a Liberal Arts college but yet claims to be an Engineering school.

Going to Tech and graduating with anything other than an Engineering degree is like going to Harvard and getting a degree in P.E.

It’s just stupid, as well you know

By Zach

February 2, 2009 9:00 AM | Link to this

The investigator in the article does NOT say anything additional in the article about star football players getting special treatment then the quote we’ve already disected ad nauseum so there’s no point talking about that if you are intent on being so bull headed.

You keep saying that Georgia Tech “claims to be an Engineering school” as if this is somehow an invalid claim, simply because they award a handful of degrees that are not engineering degrees. US News and World Report has our engineering college as a whole ranked 5th in the nation. Sounds like GT is an engineering school to me. As far as our engineering credentials somehow falling off in your opinion since adding a liberal arts school, I submit the following from the AP article regarding Tech’s improvement in the US News rankings in 2008:

“Georgia Tech’s nationally prominent College of Engineering, which is the nation’s largest, moved up in the rankings to fifth compared to sixth last year. The College of Engineering had four of its programs ranked in the top five among specialty areas. Industrial Engineering ranked first, Aerospace ranked second, Biomedical placed third (up from fourth last year), and Civil Engineering ranked fifth.”

I’m a rambling wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an Engineer!

By The real Deal

February 3, 2009 4:42 AM | Link to this

Nolan Macmillan is a CANADIAN

Born in Canada, Raised in Canada

Spent 1 year in New Jersey To Play Football