College recruiting

By Jaded Jacket

December 30, 2008 7:41 AM | Link to this

The academic numbers say it all! And so do the numbers 45 - 42!!!

By ga_tech_92

December 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

UGA special admit percentage for athletes 73.5. GT special admit percentage for athletes 6.2. I.E. if there are 75 players on the roster, 55 of UGA’s 75 didn’t even qualify to get into the school, where as only 4 of Techs 75 didn’t qualify. UGA should be ashamed for exploiting the athletes. College is supposed to be about getting an education first, athletics second. Clearly GT gets it, UGA does not. No wonder UGA has significantly better recruiting most years than GT…THEY WILL LET ANY DUMB HAY SEED ON THE TEAM, if they can ball it up!!!

Even still: 45-42 and a NC for GT ten years since UGA.

Amazing!

By Red GA Dawg

December 30, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

This was a very confusing story, I think I know the intent? How can you campare data with different dates. UGA data was from 1997 - 99 and some other universities from as recent as 2004-06. I believe that test scores have risen in all GA institutions in last decade! In the spreadsheet it said 73.5% special admit for UGA and in body of story it said 6%. Did an editor read before publication.

By hey, ga_tech_92

December 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

The article is totally misleading - they used 1997 - 98 stats for UGA and 2004-05 for Tech. You would have a better argument if they were comparing apples to apples. Even you, with your Tech degree, should be able to figure that out.

And, oh, by the way, which school was it that utilized 9 academically ineligible players in the most recent past that brought shame to the athletic program and school? Talk about exploiting players!

By Ed56

December 30, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

I think GA tech will continue to be a cut above in SAT scores vs. other BCS bowl schools for a couple of reasons:

• Ga Tech is a good academic institution
• Paul Johnson likes smart, disciplined and tough players

He can make them disciplined and tough, but has to recruit smart.

Consider his preferred offensive schemes, the flexbone/option and the run and shoot. Both take SMART disciplined players and are the toughest to defend against.

By Ed56

December 30, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

I think GA tech will continue to be a cut above in SAT scores vs. other BCS bowl schools for a couple of reasons:

• Ga Tech is a good academic institution
• Paul Johnson likes smart, disciplined and tough players

He can make them disciplined and tough, but has to recruit smart.

Consider his preferred offensive schemes, the flexbone/option and the run and shoot. Both take SMART disciplined players and are the toughest to defend against.

By GT-DG

December 30, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Bottom line is we can never compare GT vs UGA education wise. Athletics yes, Academics no.

By Question

December 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Does it really take ugag 10 years to calculate the average sat for the football team? Why wouldn’t they give more recent data (that is information for you ugag grads) to the ajc?

By Corey

December 30, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Thats ok if the years were different… I can personally attest that UGA still looks for really really stupid players… Caleb King shouldn’t have graduated from high school… much less should he have been admitted to UGA…

By Again, I ask...

December 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

…which school, UGA or Tech, has had more Rhodes Scholars? Please quit trying to say that one school is better than the other academically - you lose that argument, too, if you are a Tech supporter. But, you do have your 45-42 number to cheer about this year!

By Jaded Jacket

December 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

UGA probably didn’t provide more recent numbers because they would show a special admittance percentage of at least 95%, probably higher. That’s why UGA offers Marble Counting 101 and Spelling your Name Correctly 101 as a core curriculum classes for its football players.

By 78 DAWG

December 30, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this

IT DOESN’T MATTER, YECH S*CKS, WE DON’T HAVE TO BE SMARTER THAN YOU, WERE JUST BETTER THAN YOU. LUCKY YECH, I HATE YOU. TECH GRADS WORK FOR MY DADDY AT THE DACULA WENDYS. YOU CAN’T EVEN GET A 4 STAR RECRUIT LOL. YOUR ALL STUPID

By 'ol sport

December 30, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

What a shame that you poor misguided bloggers have to mention a certain students name in order to try and make your point and to feel good. So typical of the young kids on this site. Once again, the AJC scrambles for a story like the Thomas Stinson story on Caleb King headline this AM referring to a missed block as the reason for lack of playing time. Shoddy, but expected, journalism. The tent is folding on newspapers because of this kind of story. “Goodbye” will be here before you know it.

By Info we already ready knew

December 30, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

Like this is news? Guess which team had the most players arrested or the most personal fouls or the most celebration dances? Where is YeLLoW SkeTTer PeTTer BeaTeR when you need him! LMAO, wow 26 - 12, NO your players just quit on you 45-42.

By English Teacher

December 30, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this

78 DAWG I will attempt to grade your comments:

1) You should never type in all caps. 2) You misspelled “Tech.”
3) You misspelled “sucks.” 4) It’s we’re, not “were.” 5) It’s you’re, not “your.” 6) There’s no period on the last sentence.

After grading your comments, I’ve concluded that you went to UGA. And by the way, you flunked your assignment. Hang in there buddy, perhaps one day your daddy will let you work at Wendy’s too.

By Calhoun Dawg

December 30, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this

I agree with ol sport, take your shots a schools or grown men, kids are off limits.

NOW MY GRIPE - If we are going to be embarrassed with bad grades and bad behavior on and off the field, shouldn’t we at least get a top 10 finish for CMRs millions!
I think that is the least we could expect, and a team that doesn’t quit after 2 losses (look at the Kentucky, Auburn and Tech games, we could have lost all 3).

By ga_tech_92

December 30, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

hey, gatech92 -

You think you’ve impressed someone because you mentioned the ONE time GT has ever been in trouble with the NCAA? Dude…UGA has the market on that stuff. We might not be perfect in that regard, but we are angels compared to UGA.

You’ve picked a poor point to make.

By jacketbacker

December 30, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this

Tech is far superior in academics period…there is no debate….its not just Tech people saying this….check US News, etc…..every posssible academic ranking system has Tech far ahead of UGA and its not even close….this article about SAT scores simply points to the obvious, Tech is the better and higher ranked school now and always has been!

oh yeah, 45-42!!!!

By Buzz Belle

December 30, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this

Re-read the article. It explained why they used the different years and also explained those differences did not significantly change the numbers. These two schools really should not be compared academically unless UGA has an engineering program. You can compare SAT scores however because no matter what school you go to, the SAT is the same. Given that, Ga Tech is, has always been, and always will be a step above UGA. This is not to say UGA does not have very impressive students, they do. As a whole however, when you mix in all the basket weaving/recreation/sports degrees at UGA, it pretty well mucks up the numbers for you. Then when you add 45-42 in the mix, I figure this article was written to stir the pot - just watch all the responses. This will be a fun day!

Go Jackets & THWG

By jacketbacker, check...

December 30, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

…check the current Kiplinger report on the best VALUE in public universities (that means the quality of education, for the money, and UGA costs about $100 more per year to attend than said institute) - UGA came in 4th, while The Georgia Institute of Technology came in 13th. Hence, if Kiplinger’s means anything, it says UGA is a better educational value (more bang for the buck) than said institute.

And, gatech92, I guess the Reuben Houston deal did not exist. That was where the coach you ran off wanted to keep the player off the field, but the Tech Administration put him back on the the field. Again, quite a nice commentary on the “student athletes” at Tech and on the institution as a whole. At least in Athens the culprits get locked up and suspended for games or for good - no administration going to bat for the guilty there.

By GT 94

December 30, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Hey 78 dawg moron, Name one tech grad that works for your DADDY at wendy’s? I would love to know their names?? Make some sense when you type please! Did you even finish highschool? I will be ready for you to post those names, i would love to confirm that tech grad’s are working for your daddy at wendy’s. names, and which location and phone number please! I’m calling you out on your bs. Sounds like you are the one who may have a career at wendy’s!! Don’t have sour grapes here,because tech players and students are smarter. This is not a news flash to tech students,alums,boosters or anyone really! You cant argue the facts! tech grads should and always will boast about how prestigious their degree is! At the end of the day, if a tech grad and a uga grad,compete for the same job, let me know what amount of money you want to wager on who takes that job! A tech degree will always take someone further in life, than one from the leghumper school. After all, don’t dogs eat their own sh**? uga fans, just keep your posts coming, just like 78 dawg! It shows just really how much smarter you really are!!! You fleabags keep drawing those unemployment check’s, tech grads have some work to do! Go Jackets!!

45-42, WHICH INCLUDED BEING DOMINATED 33-14 IN SECOND HALF! UNTIL YOUR BEATDOWN IN ATLANTA COMES, ENJOY THE TASTE OF YOUR OWN POOP DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By ga_tech_92

December 30, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

jacketbacker, check…

Dude, don’t be such a joke. You’ve mentioned a small number of things. Twice that many things happen EVERY YEAR at UGA. You lose.

Also, people need to stay focused. I don’t think anyone said UGA’s students are dumb. The point is not that. The point is about the different standard each school holds a prospective Football Player to for admittance.

UGA is a good school for regular students. Tech is a good school for regular students. The two are not comparable for how hard they are on football players entrance, though. That’s the point. 75% exceptions for jocks at one school…6% exceptions at the other…not even close or subject to debate.

Why are you trying to argue something so clear?

By Mainly because it is not clear...

December 30, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

…the article was NOT using comparable statistics. I bet if we could get current stats for both schools you would be surprised at how close they are in admissions standards for football players.

However, I will agree that both schools are good for both students and athletes. UGA does to have its share of off field incidents while Tech’s seemingly go unreported - the difference seems to be ATL cops look the other way (except when major offenses occur) while Athens cops go out of their way, and UGA beat writers do, too, to expose every hick-up in Athens involving UGA athletes.

By Mainly because it is not clear...

December 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

…the article was NOT using comparable statistics. I bet if we could get current stats for both schools you would be surprised at how close they are in admissions standards for football players.

However, I will agree that both schools are good for both students and athletes. UGA does to have its share of off field incidents while Tech’s seemingly go unreported - the difference seems to be ATL cops look the other way (except when major offenses occur) while Athens cops go out of their way, and UGA beat writers do, too, to expose every hick-up in Athens involving UGA athletes.

By The Dude

December 30, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Wow, I’m not sure where to begin.

To ‘Again, I ask…’: Rhodes Scholars study liberal arts. Do you even know what being a Rhodes Scholar means? Georgia Tech doesn’t offer an arts degree in any discipline.

To ‘hey, gatech92’: The academically inelligible players you speak of broke the “not on track to graduate in six years” rule, just so you know. All wins that were “vacated” as a part of the punishment were restored upon appeal, including those over Georgia.

To ‘jacketbacker, check…’: Reuben Houston was placed back on the Tech squad after his arrest due to a court order and played very little afterwards. He subsequently went on to GRADUATE from Tech and serve a nine month probation sentence (DUI’s get 12 months) for his role in the marijuana distribution case.

Also, on the Kiplinger report, Tech gets dinged for retention rate, one of the academic quality criteria. Roughly one third of freshman enrollees to not finish their degrees at Tech; it’s just that hard.

By The Dude - this is gonna...

December 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

..be good. Ever heard of The Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts? I guess not, or you would not have said “Georgia Tech doesn’t offer an arts degree in any discipline”.

So, from the Tech website:

Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts

Economics BS: Economics BS: Economics & International Affairs * BS: Economics & International Affairs - Int’l Designator * BS: Global Economics & Modern Languages * MS: with a Major in Economics History, Technology, & Society BS: History, Technology, and Society BS: History, Technology, and Society - Int’l Designator MS: History and Sociology of Technology & Science PhD: with a Major in History and Sociology of Technology & Science International Affairs BS: International Affairs BS: International Affairs - Int’l Designator BS: International Affairs & Modern Languages * BS: Economics & International Affairs * BS: Economics & International Affairs - Int’l Designator * MS: International Affairs PhD: International Affairs, Science and Technology Literature, Communication, & Culture BS: Computational Media BS: Science, Technology, and Culture BS: Science, Technology, and Culture - Biomedicine & Culture Option BS: Science, Technology, and Culture - Gender Studies Option BS: Science, Technology, and Culture - Media Option BS / MS: Literature, Communication, & Culture (5 Year) MS: Human-Computer Interaction * MS: Information Design and Technology PhD: with a Major in Digital Media Modern Languages BS: International Affairs & Modern Languages * BS: International Affairs & Modern Languages - Int’l Designator * BS: Global Economics & Modern Languages * BS: Global Economics & Modern Languages - Int’l Designator * Public Policy *** BS: Public Policy BS / MS: Public Policy (5 Year) MS: Public Policy PhD: with a Major in Public Policy Reserve Officer’s Training Corps (ROTC) Air Force Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) Army Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) Navy Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC)

So, since you did not know where to begin, please start over!

By Fun With Finals

December 30, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

The University of Georgia

“Coaching Principles and Strategies for Basketball”

FINAL EXAM (this is what you had to pass, if you decided to show up)

1) How many goals are on a basketball court? <> 1 <> 2 <> 3 <> 4

2) How many players are allowed to play at one time on any one team in a regulation game? <> 2 <> 3 <> 4 <> 5

3) In what league do the Georgia Bulldogs compete? <> ACC <> Big Ten <> SEC <> Pac 10

4) What is the name of the coliseum where the Georgia Bulldogs play? <> Cameron Indoor Arena <> Stegeman Coliseum <> Carrier Dome <> Pauley Pavilion

5) How many halves are in a college basketball game? <> 1 <> 2 <> 3 <> 4

6) How many quarters are in a high school basketball game? <> 1 <> 2 <> 3 <> 4

7) How many points does one field goal account for in a basketball game? <> 1 <> 2 <> 3 <> 4

8) How many points does a 3-point field goal account for in a basketball game? <> 1 <> 2 <> 3 <> 4

9) How many officials referee a college basketball game? <> 3 <> 4 <> 6 <> 3

10) How many teams are in the NCAA Men’s Basketball National Championship Tournament? <> 48 <> 64 <> 65 <> 32

11) What is the name of the exam which all high school seniors in the state of Georgia must pass? <> Eye Exam <> How Do The Grits Taste Exam <> Bug Control Exam <> Georgia Exit Exam

12) What basic color are the uniforms the Georgia Bulldogs wear in home games? <> White <> Red <> Black <> Silver

13) What basic color are the uniforms the Georgia Bulldogs wear in away games? <> Pink <> Blue <> Orange <> Red

14) How many minutes are played in a college basketball contest? <> 20 <> 40 <> 60 <> 90

15) How many minutes are played in a high school basketball game? <> 15 <> 30 <> 32 <> 45

16) Diagram the 3-point line.

17) Diagram the half-court line.

18) How many fouls is a player allowed to have in one basketball game before fouling out in that game? <> 3 <> 5 <> 7 <> 0

19) If you go on to become a huge coaching success, to whom will you tribute the credit? <> Mike Krzyzewski <> Bobby Knight <> John Wooden <> Jim Harrick Jr.

20) In your opinion, who is the best Division I assistant coach in the country? <> Ron Jursa <> John Pelphrey <> Jim Harrick Jr. <> Steve Wojciechowski

By Jason

December 30, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Actually, I think its was closer to 2/3rds of GT freshman never graduated about 5-10 years ago. I know the school was trying to make strides towards improving everyone’s retention ratio(not just athletes) when I graduated in 2002. I do remember the orientation speech though, where the lady told us that 2 out of three of us would not be there for graduation.

By Jason

December 30, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Actually, I think its was closer to 2/3rds of GT freshman never graduated about 5-10 years ago. I know the school was trying to make strides towards improving everyone’s retention ratio(not just athletes) when I graduated in 2002. I do remember the orientation speech though, where the lady told us that 2 out of three of us would not be there for graduation.

By The Dude

December 30, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

To ‘The Dude - this is gonna…:

It’s attention to detail that’s going to get you again. I spent 4.5 years at Georgia Tech so I’m well aware of the IAC. Dig through the surface a little bit next time. What I said was that Tech doesn’t offer an arts degree. All the majors you listed from the IAC website are Bachelors of Science degrees. Do you expect me to believe you don’t know the difference between a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Science? Maybe you just made my point for me.

By Jason

December 30, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

ALso, about GT’s english/history departments, they stink, why would anyone want to major in those programs at GT. If you want to be an English major, go to UGA.

By V8 Cat

December 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

To:78 DAWG, My wife went to UGA in the mid 1960s(when Dooley was there). She took a course/class called “Industrial Arts 340” which had several football players in it. That course was bascially the equivalent of the 9th grade wood-shop course I took in high school. The final exam had a question which asked her to name 20 tools and the answers were “cross-cut saw, claw hammer” and so on. This was a Jim Harrick type of course before he was there. We are a divided house, and anytime I want to get her going I can bring-up that course, and the fact that several football players were increasing their GPAs. So you UGA fans, don’t try to compare Tech and GA players academics. There is no comparison where UGA will come out on top.

By OK, now you are...

December 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

…talking semantics so I will have to concede your point about the “arts” degree comment. However, BS degree vs BA or AB degree in Liberal Arts; economics is economics, whether at Tech, UGA, or Davidson. The BS degree in Economics at Tech is still in the College of Liberal Arts. Nice spin try, however.

Besides, we all know what BS stands for, with MS meaning “More of the Same” and PhD being “Piled higher and Deeper”, right!

And Jason, I got the same “2/3 of you will not be here” speech at the little 1000 student school I went to - that is the standard “welcome” speech at most colleges since they want to try to scare you into studying and not partying!

By V8 cat, you, too,

December 30, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

are not comparing apples to apples. The 1960’s vs today? C’mon, man, take another swig and turn Oprah back on!

Why is it that Tech grads think they are so superior to UGA grads - oh yeah, I know, because you are - duh! All of you are legends in your own minds!

By The Dude

December 30, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Jason,

I didn’t want his head to explode. He seems to be struggling with the difference between art and science. Incidentally, Tech has had 3 Rhodes Scholoars (UGA 21). However, if you shook that comparison down to apples v. apples (compare total students to study liberal arts disciplines at both schools since 1902), I wonder how the percentages would shake out.

By The Dude

December 30, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

The point of the liberal arts discussion is that Rhodes Scholas go to Oxford to study liberal arts. Comparing the number of Rhodes Scholars each school has produced is like comparing apples and watermelons when one school is a liberal arts research univeristy and the other is an engineering science research institute. “at the little 1000 student I went to”… So why are you even arguing?

By OK Dude...

December 30, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

..I have let this maligning of the Rhodes Scholar aspect go on long enough.

A Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford University is open to all students no matter what their major, whether it is liberal arts or engineering oriented. The graduate study programs at Oxford include mathematics, sciences (including physics), computer science, architectural sciences, statistics, and engineering sciences, not to mention the many arts, literature, film and other courses. Hence, both BS and AB or BA degrees are OK to pursue! So, it seems that you are the one who does not understand the nuances of scholarly endeavour, but it may explain why you spent 4.5 years in college in pursuit of a 4 year degree.

By lakerat

December 30, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Ssorry Dude, I went to the source (Oxford University website) and two of this year’s Rhodes Scholar winners went to MIT! I know Tech likes to compare themselves to that Cambridge, MA school, but I do not believe it compares that closely, so I understand why Tech likes to think they are superior to UGA. Also, a couple of this years recipients will be studying genetics and research pathology, hardly “liberal arts” pursuits.

So, sick that in your Reuben Houston pipe and smoke it!

By dap01

December 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Tech wins by 3 and they buy rings!

By jacketbacker

December 30, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

hey jacketbacker, check…..i’m sure that degree in recreation and leisure studies is worth a fortune!..great value!!….face facts, your school is a JOKE!!

45-42 and THWG!!!!!

By Tom

December 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Yes, the two degrees in Economics are similar…..except that the Bachelor of Science degree also requires an additional laboratory science as well as higher-level math requirement. Combine that with a more-limited and challenging selection of electives and you have the difference between the two degrees.

By pathetic

December 30, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

This is terrible from both sides. I’m trying to piece together how you compare and Engineering University to other Universities.

If Tech grades are going that route, put your numbers up against Texas Tech, Virgina Tech, Lousiana Tech and so forth.

I bet your SAT grades are better than most normal universties and no matter what you say your athletes get special treatment just like every other university.

Oh yeah, the bragging about upsetting UGA this year, how many games had you lost until this one. Its so pathetic that you guys might be bragging about this for the next 7 or 8 years until you win another one.

GT may be a better educational university but you can’t compare the football programs and any INTELLIGENT person knows that.

By Darius

December 30, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

Check out the NCAA GSR numbers and you will quickly find out that both UGA and Georgia Tech do a very poor job of graduating their football players.

Whenever a misinformed Georgia Tech fan starts telling me how hard it is to get football players into Georgia Tech and how hard it is to keep them there because they do not have any “easy” degrees, I just say “Joe Burns”. Joe Burns could barely read and write. Several SEC schools could not even bring Joe in for official visits because his grades and test scores were so bad. However, Georgia Tech found a way to get him in to school and they somehow kept him academically eligible for three years. Georgia Tech is a fine institution and Paul Johnson is going to do a great job there. But, “academics” has and always will be a lame excuse for why Georgia Tech has struggled in football.

By hey darius

December 30, 2008 8:55 PM | Link to this

Hey Darius, I know Joe Burns. He can read an write. His wife has 3 degrees from Harvard. And, while U[sic]GA has won a few Rhodes Scholarships (and I know all of the winners—none of them care about football), Tech has had more Marshall Scholars, Gates Scholars, Truman Scholars, and Fulbright Scholars.

Plus, whoever mentioned Kiplinger—GT was 3rd, U[sic]GA was 4th after being ranked #1 initially. Turns out you lied on some of the data you sent in.

The truth is, U[sic]GA’s football sat would be even lower if it wasn’t for Hargrave military academy. But who needs SAT’s when eleven of your players are arrested in the off-season?

By student comparison

December 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Let’s do the comparisons. I’ll spot you Kiplinger’s (explained above) and Rhodes Scholars (though, look at history, UGA had 2 last year. Last before that was GT. GT is behind, but again, that has been explained as well).

SAT - GT Verbal SAT – GT. The “GT students can’t read” line is a myth. They do better on both verbal and math. And that is based on Georgia Regents numbers - not school reported or USNWR numbers. GT has (depending on the year) the HIGHEST SAT for any public school (UVA, Berkeley and Michigan are usually up there)

High School GPA - GT

USNWR ranking for “National Universities” - GT by a long shot.

USNWR Grad school rankings - GT with MULTIPLE top 10 programs and several #1 - yes, all engineering. And as an example, ISYE is a discipline that combines engineering and management concepts - not just test tubes and electric circuits. Well rounded engineers who run companies. Like Wal-Mart. UGA has a couple grad programs in the top 10 - Journalism, a PSY discipline and some teaching discipline. And, by the way, that is something to be proud of. Clearly there are some quality programs.

Former Students as POTUS - GT 1, GA 0 (yeah, it was Carter and 1 year, but it counts)

Former Students with Nobel Prizes - GT 2 UGA 0

Professors with Nobel Prices - GT - at least 2 in the last decade (awarded elsewhere, but teaching at GT); UGA - 0

USNWR Business School Ranking - GT higher. This is significant, because it is the only head-to-head program comparison, and the Terry School is lauded by UGA alums. Of late (and since the Regents allowed it to be called a B-School) Tech’s has moved up the rankings.

USNWR is not the end-all, be-all, but it is one of the broadest based ranking systems.

There are more students on the HOPE going to UGA these days. That has made UGA more competitive for non-engineering Hope qualified applicants, but it hasn’t changed the university… yet. HOPE, combined with Georgia’s (really Atlanta’s) population going up in the last 2 decades has meant a larger pool of students. The expected effect is increase in competitiveness at the school that was academically less competitive.

Finally, we have this report on athletes. Until someone proves the yearly comparisons cannot be statistically compared (which the article claims is not the case) then I think that is pretty clear as well.

By Darius

December 30, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

lol @ “He can read an write.” Yes, but can he read and write? BTW, Tiffany having “three” degrees from Harvard has nothing to do with Joe’s intelligence … or lack thereof.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I just wanted to take the time to point out the fact that both UGA and Georgia Tech do a horrible job of graduating their football players. I enjoy watching UGA and Tech fans fight over who is better academically and at sports. It is much like watching a Georgia native and Alabama native argue about which state is more redneck.

Also, Georgia Tech was #16 in Kiplinger’s ratings of best public university values, not #3.

By @ darious

December 30, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Darious - I agree, CPJ is going to do a fine job at GT. We only have 1 data point, but, I like what I see thus far.

By Kettle

December 30, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

The graduation rates at UGA and GT are both pathetic. These are AVERAGE scores. I would like to see the range of the scores. To the person that says Tech only gives special admission to 4 players, where are you getting the numbers? If that were the case, I seriously doubt that the average player scores would be 300 points lower than the normal students’ scores at Tech.

The bottom line is neither school is educating the athletes regardless of their SAT scores. The graduation rates are about equal. Tech can go after any recruit they desire. There is not one thing in this article that says they can’t or doesn’t. If Tech cannot get them into school, then it’s probably true UGA can’t either.

Tech did just get off probation. Hello Pot, “My name is Kettle”.

By RealityYech

December 30, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Yech had one of the worst, and biggest, ACC academic scandals in conference history bet yet they’re casting stones? LOL, too funny for words!!

Hey tools, tell us all again how you’re going to average 1,000 yards per game and win the next 8 National Titles in a row just because you beat a very down UGA team by 3, LOL!!!!

By ugasux

December 30, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

Bottom line UGA was supposed to win a National Championship THEY DID NOT EVEN GET CLOSE!!!! UGA was supposed to beat Tech THEY DID NOT!!!!! Quit whinning about SAT scores and rings Michigan state will kill you on the 1st. All is not well in the land of the dumb.

By Just like a Techie...

December 31, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

They do not let FACTS get in the way of a good lambast at other schools….

From Kiplinger’s

“The Top 100 At a Glance”

“We updated and ranked this list of the top 100 colleges for 2009 (how we scored the schools). Clicking on the college names below will show you all of the ranking data. Most of our data come from Petersons, a Nelnet company.

Tell us what you think of our rankings, and ask your questions in our reader comment area. Or vote for your own No. 1 pick in our readers choice poll.”

1 - University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

2 - University of Florida

3 - University of Virginia

4 - University of Georgia

5 - College of William and Mary

6 - SUNY Geneseo

7 - SUNY Binghamton

8 - New College of Florida

9 - University of Maryland, College Park

10 - University of California, San Diego

11 - University of Washington

12 - University of California, Berkeley

13 - University of California, Los Angeles

14 - University of Wisconsin - Madison

15 - Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Univ.

16 - Georgia Institute of Technology

And, HEY DARIUS:

In 2007 - 08, UGA had more Rhodes Scholars, Truman Scholars, Gates Scholars, Fulbright Scholars, and Marshall Scholars than ANY other college or university in the U. S.( and ANY means that Harvard, Stanford, Princeton and Yale were included in the totals).

By john

December 31, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

Which degree would you want, seriously. Tech or UGA. Also guess who currently has more players in the NFL????

By Rusty

January 1, 2009 11:20 AM | Link to this

Once the student athlete enters the “hallowed halls” at TECH and uga, the story changes. The core curriculum at TECH makes uga’s look like a community college. Get real. If the good LORD was to grant you a degree from either school, which would have more value???

Rusty

By GTUniversity

January 1, 2009 8:42 PM | Link to this

Can a scholar GT student athlete please tell me what the difference is between 38 and 3?