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DEL.ICIO.USGOP appealing to a shrinking America
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
I wrote a few days ago about the idea that there is no single “America,” that the country is constantly evolving and that each of us has our own personal concept of what America ought to be and is.
One of the biggest problems confronting the Republican Party is the fact that they have built their party on the basis of an America that no longer exists demographically.
Alan Abramovitz, the very sharp political science professor at Emory here in Atlanta, runs the numbers for us:
“The declining proportion of married white Christians in the electorate has important political implications because in recent years married white Christians have been among the most loyal supporters of the Republican Party. …. Between the middle of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century, the proportion of whites has fallen by about 15 percentage points, the proportion of married persons has fallen by about 25 percentage points, and the proportion of Christian identifiers has fallen by about 10 percentage points.
“Married individuals still make up a large majority of the electorate, whites are still close to 80 percent of the electorate, and Christians are still over 80 percent of the electorate. However, the combined impact of the changes illustrated in Figure 1 has been enormous. Married white Christians have gone from close to 80 percent of the electorate in the 1950s to just over 40 percent of the electorate in the first decade of the 21st century. Moreover, the data displayed in Figure 2 show that the decline in married white Christians has been even more drastic among younger Americans. The proportion of married white Christians among voters under the age of 30 has plummeted from almost 80 percent in the 1950s to less than 20 percent in the first decade of the 21st century.”
Robert Lang, writing in Politico, makes a similar point after noting how quickly the minority population of the United States is growing:
“The bottom line for Republicans is that no matter how this population is defined, an increasing number of current minorities are voting for Democrats.
Republicans can, of course, switch their strategy and make more direct appeals to minority voters. As recently as 2004, President George W. Bush almost won the Latino vote. But at the moment, the Republicans seem branded as the party of white people. Furthermore, much of the Republican base — especially those listening to talk radio — believe the U.S. is being flooded with immigrants (legal and illegal). It may be hard to pivot and embrace diversity without alienating the GOP base. By contrast, many whites in the Democratic Party are comfortable with diversity and now form a transracial coalition with minority voters.”
I have some sympathy for the GOP because, in a sense, the party faces a very similar challenge to that confronting newspapers. Changing demographics, technologies and lifestyles are undercutting their traditional customer base, and to survive they’re going to have to find a way to reach out to woo new customers without alienating their old ones.
It ain’t easy.
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Comments
By TW
November 20, 2008 7:28 AM | Link to this
The worst thing that could possibly happen to the GOP base would be the education of the electorate.
The last eight years have been one heck of an education.
For the first time in a long while, most would rather be called lib than republican. Republican has become synonymous with loser
And nobody likes a loser.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this
“The bottom line for Republicans is that no matter how this population is defined, an increasing number of current minorities are voting for Democrats.
There was a moderate Republican strategy a few years ago rightfully called “amnesty” in which the Republican party leadership thought that by giving citizenship to illegal aliens they would return the favor by voting for Republicans.
This idea was squashed wholesale by the majority of American people who are tired of overcrowded schools, declining wage rates, substandard health care, all of these overburdened by illegals.
Meanwhile, the democrat party saw another large chunk of voters who were ignorant of American culture and traditions, people who left their countries because they ruined them and had to come to America to escape poverty, and were ripe for the same treatment the democrats give all of their clueless dullards and dimwits, campaign promises that they have no intentions of keeping.
So these foreigners voted a majority for democrats, of course.
And now, the liberals will give them the “amnesty” and let another 20,000,000 of them into the country, so that they can enter into the democrat indoctrination program and become moron democrat voters, just like the 20,000,000 before them.
This is the “change” that has happened to America, Christians and Evangelicals are still here and just as strong as ever.
But the democrats are trying to “dilute” us with hordes of failures from third world countries and have the freaking nerve to say America is “changing.”
That is sickness that you can “count on.”
By TW
November 20, 2008 7:39 AM | Link to this
another 20,000,000 of them into the country, so that they can enter into the democrat indoctrination program and become moron democrat voters, just like the 20,000,000 before them.
Man, I hope so! And I hope they raise our taxes to make them feel as welcome as possible.
What a great opportunity for us to practice God’s will!
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this
*By TW November 20, 2008 7:28 AM For the first time in a long while, most would rather be called lib than republican. Republican has become synonymous with loser *
Really?
21 percent claimed to be liberal in 2004 versus 22 percent in 2008
34 percent claimed to be conservative in both 2004 and 2008
Not only that, TW, your presidential candidate ran as a Conservative, tax cuts, strong military action against terrorism, defense of marriage.
Sure, we all know he was lying, after all that is what democrats do, but you go ahead on and snuggle up into that little fake bubble world you live in.
Before it bursts.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this
Should the new president replace U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, who prosecuted Mr. Obama’s fund-raising patron, Tony Rezko, and is investigating high-profile Democrats?-WSJ
Yes, please do.
By By The Democrats
November 20, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
By The Democrats
ATTENTION REPUBLICANS:
RE: SARAH PALIN
Obviously there has been a HUGE mistake…..
Palin’s Dribble, Weasel Wording, Mush-Mush, Asssss-Backwards speak Cleary demonstrates who carries the Down Syndrome trait in her family, because of this we (the democrats) will allow you to send her back to Wacky-silla without prejudice and select another candidate.
For this consideration the Republicans agree to sell Alaska to Russia (with Palin) and never mention the State of Alaska or her again.
P.S. Why does Palin repeat herself in the same sentence and add extra words that don’t belong!! Reading a Quote from her makes me feel like I am in the advanced stages of dyslexia. Does Anyone else have a problem with this? Is there anyone out there from the North Slope who speaks Wacky-silla?
By TW
November 20, 2008 8:00 AM | Link to this
DNC - I am very sorry you woke up cranky again. I will continue to pray for you.
Yes, the dems made a very successful stab at the middle.
Your turn. What’s it gonna be? Bye-bye anti-choice? Wacko evangelicals? Deregulation? Blind calls to tax cuts? Political trolling for white trash?
Or maybe just dump the racism? The bigotry? The hate/fear everything that doesn’t look like you?
Nah… no need in guttin’ your soul. But you will change if you want to keep playing :-)
By G
November 20, 2008 8:01 AM | Link to this
The South, which used to be solidly Democrat, turned Republican in response to civil rights. The Repubs have used this to their gain ergo - “The Southern Strategy” aka race-baiting/fear-mongering.
“This thaw — took a while to thaw, it’s going to take a while to unthaw.” —George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets, Alexandria, La., Oct. 20, 2008
“You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.” —George W. Bush to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
By Ray
November 20, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this
Will be interesting to see how many federal judges that the Annointed One replaces during the first 100 days. Think that he can top 93? It will certainly be more than 8.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
TW- I am not angry, in fact I had a good laugh reading your ridiculous comments this morning.
You libs are hilarious, silly enough to believe that we would ever take advice from people who have dedicated their entire lives to seeking our defeat.
You must think you are talking to some moron democrat.
So just keep huffing and puffing until you blow your own house down, we’ll just keep laughing……….at you.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Obama ran as a conservative? But didn’t we hear adnauseum that he was the most liberal senator ever?
Let’ see know …..so far….
He’s a muslim….no he’s a black librationist Christian.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong, is’s a mental recession in a nation of whiners…..no it’s the Obama recession.
Now the most liberal senator in DC ….no he ran as a conservative.
Is there really any wonder why the GOP is DOA?
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
TW,
Contrary to Andy’s claim, “We” are not laughing at you.
By Joey
November 20, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
To Jay and his choir:
For a group of people who claim that Republicanism and Conserativism are dead; you spend a tremendous amount of time advising how they can be resuscitated.
Who are you trying to convince: That the Republican party is dead? That Conserativism is history? That Palin is a __ (chose an offensive word)? That the world’s heart is palpitating over Obama and Democrat Party Rule of the US? That world peace is only a month away?
Who? I hope it is not people like me.
No. You are trying to convince yourselves.
By Road Scholar
November 20, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this
AJC/DNC: Your quote “34 percent claimed to be conservative in both 2004 and 2008” is interesting. While they “claimed” to be conservative, maybe they did not like the parties direction or policies. Or they were lying.. We know the track record on this. It’s like you saying that “I am not angry”. If not, what are you? Desparate?
By RW-(the original)
November 20, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Jay B.,
Your topic choices remind me of when my daughter was three years old and wanted to watch The Princess Bride every five or six hours.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
To Jay
THEN WHY don’t you just let us die on the vine? Isn’t that tactically the best plan so you will never have to face us again? Isn’t that what you want?
No, instead you want us to become just like you because you fear this nation’s return to common sense, morality and a strong America and too many of us out here will assure that!
And that return to our conservative roots will happen because you know it is just one super economic, moral, and/or terrorist crisis away. When one or more of those happen, the youth vote will coming running back to Mom & Dad and the demograhphic vote will see the light.
We’ll see, won’t we.
By Left Nut
November 20, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
What’s the difference between Simba and Obama?
One’s an African Lion and the others a lying African.
By norman ravitch
November 20, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
The GOP is the party of a small group of plutocrats leading a large groups of ignorant, bigotted ultra-nationalist rednecks. But since HL Mencken was right in predicting one would never lose by underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate, the GOP will rise again.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
The Republican party is not dead. It simply does not have any significant power at the Fed level any longer and it is on the verge of losing its ability to stage a filibuster in the Senate. Most people equipped with this information would rightfully deduce that the Republican party will need to change in some fashion if it wants to remain a viable entity in policy-making at the Federal level. They had also best beware of local level issues that affect US taxpayers or they will see serious declines there as well.
By Eric1
November 20, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
I choose “bimbo”….no, “cotton headed ninny”. Yep that’s it, cotton headed ninny.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Mr. Bookman, you nobly offer this: “I have some sympathy for the GOP because, in a sense, the party faces a very similar challenge to that confronting newspapers. Changing demographics, technologies and lifestyles are undercutting their traditional customer base, and to survive they’re going to have to find a way to reach out to woo new customers without alienating their old ones.”
While I can see the similarity in missions going forward, the reasons behind the AJC’s fix and the GOP’s couldn’t be more different.
The AJC’s parent company didn’t lie to customers and try to drive them away from new technologies in order to keep them reading print papers. Cox has been investing in the business infrastructure that will enable some (if not all) of its existing customers to have information delivered to them as enjoyably as before. For example, when car ads weren’t going to pay the rent, they had AutoTrader to pick up at least some of the slack.
If the GOP were a newspaper publisher, they’d be wasting their energy telling their dwindling readership not to fall prey to the siren call of that un-American Internet out there. They’d try to make newspaper readers feel victimized by those fancy-pants elitist computer users. They’d depend upon sub-literate buffoons to spread the word and act as unpaid sales representatives.
It’s kind of you to offer sympathy, but let’s get real. The GOP made their own damn mess, and there is no easy way for them to clean it up. They can either moderate, or double down on the wedge issues. The former has a real risk of splintering off a carefully crafted base. The latter would have to be a short-term fix to succeed; they can’t keep new generations of blacks and hispanics afraid of The Gay Abortionist Gun-Grabbers forever.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
To Mrs. G.
Go back to “Obama shows no signs of taking it slow” @ 10:02pm yesterday …. :o)
By Disgusted
November 20, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Hey, Republicans. How do you like being the Southern Party?
How are those Family Values going? Lots of jobs out there?
Just keep denigrating Hispanics, the fastest-growing segment of the voting population, and ignoring blacks. And by all means kow-tow to the rednecks and the bible-thumpers. While you’re at it, you should continue the anti-intellectual line by insisting that creationism is as scientific as evolution.
Pretty soon, the Republican Party will have its base in Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. The rest of the country will have moved on.
By TW
November 20, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
So just keep huffing and puffing until you blow your own house down, we’ll just keep laughing……….at you.
You’re right, sniff sniff - liberals huff an puff…but republicans blow :-)
Cheer up chap! Let yourself out of the airport stall and smell the sunshine! Change is on its way!
By Ray
November 20, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Disgusted,
Is that your voter base?…. disavowed blacks, hispanics many of whom are illegal and an uninformed population below the age of 25? If pandering to these groups is essential to winning liberal elections, I think that I will stay in either Alabama, Mississippi, or Georgia.
By Joey
November 20, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Jay;
Unrelated to the Republican/Democrat debate, and regarding your final two paragraphs I am intrigued.
What has been the AJC’s customer base? What is/are the new bases to which you are trying to reach out?
By ByteMe
November 20, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Corporal asks: THEN WHY don’t you just let us die on the vine? Isn’t that tactically the best plan so you will never have to face us again? Isn’t that what you want?
Ooo, ooo! I can answer that!!
Because as the Republicans recently showed us in 2005, one-party rule sucks the lifeblood out of the party in charge. It’s actually GOOD for the country to have two or more strong parties with competing visions that can be articulated and that appeal to a wide group of people.
The best solutions come from combining the best ideas from across the political spectrum, not from one party imposing its vision on everyone.
The Republican base is narrowing and many pundits in the Republican base think it should narrow its focus further. If that happens, something needs to fill the vacuum and that something will either be the Democrats — which is not a great idea — or a third party — which is likely a great idea as long as it’s not the liberatarian or green parties.
You speak of what Jay should do as a “tactic”, which is perfect if you’re trying to win a war and ridiculous if you’re trying to encourage what’s best for the country.
Republicans tried to win and ended up losing bigger than ever. Seems like a cautionary tale to read to our kids and grandkids.
Over at Wooten’s corner, he tries to denegrate Democrats at every turn. That’s his tactic for what’s best for the country. Bookman is offering topics to encourage a strong minority party. That’s his tactic. Which do you really think is better for the country?
By Bosch
November 20, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
The Republican party will find its way back just like the Democratic party did a few years back.
It’s all about common sense. The Democrats were not focused, and neither party has had a solid platform in almost two decades.
I think the electorate is tired of the platform label and Democrats believe this while Republicans believe that.
I said this the other day, this election was good for both parties. For the GOP, it made them realize that their fear mongering McCarthy ways and their social issues are alienating the electorate. For the Democrats it showed that consistency and mindful deliberate planning was key to success.
All political or any philosophical ideal, if it is to suceed, must adapt to the changing times, and the GOP will see that - they have some smart cookies on their side.
But I feel as a whole, until the GOP gets off the social conservative bandwagon, the moderates among us will continue to vote the other way.
We all like fiscal responsibility, using our military wisely, strong national security, protection of our borders, helping the sick and elderly and having a clean environment. There may be a little raggling about how to accomplish all those things, but in the end, we can all agree we want those things.
The common sense crowd on Washington (from both parties) is starting to muscle it’s way out of the idealogical factions of old, and the sooner they can hit the ground running, the better we’ll all be.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
The Headline Reads
Obama could rebrand America experts say and restore our image in the international community.
Translation - appeasement to terrorists and the countries who support them.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
corporal
points for cute.
to prevent future injury you might suggest “kegels” to your partner.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Jay,
I sense fear in your written word this fine morning. You seem to be harboring some suppressed concerns that your loyal base may one day consist of Andy and a few others of similar mind. If that is truly the case, then I can certainly understand your desire to keep those thoughts subjugated to the subconscious mind. Good luck with that.
By getalife
November 20, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
“Senate takes up bill to extend jobless benefits; Bush vows to veto.”
The corprate party screws the people again.
Why so many Americans vote for the corporate party to screw themselves is beyond insanity.
By Ray
November 20, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
New poll by the Rassmusen Report on Fox….
72% of Americans, regardless of party affiliation, have little to no confidence in the present Congress to fix our economy. 48% do not want an auto company bailout.
And this is the Congress that is going to save America?…. Face it libs, Demo control of the Congress has not worked any better than Bush’s last eight years. And you want to give them a free hand, a blank check, with no opposition or distaff opinion, keeping the same morons in Congress that caused the problems in the first place? That’s real progress, my friends… but maybe those 72% of Americans are wrong, just like the 47% who voted for Bush are on their way out of America’s political spectrum. Libs, let’s let your voter base decide what is best……. “Well, uh, you know, uh, I really don’t, like, know much about economy.” These are the same people who keep the Butt Pilot, Dodd, Durbin, Lewis, Waters and the whole Congressional Black Caucas in power on an eternal basis. Let’s hope the country survives your filibuster proof Senate. The Republicans need to do nothing but sit back and watch that 72% climb to 90% and more. Thank Bush for your 2008 victory. He is the only reason why the Annointed One got 53% of the vote. Anyone but Bush. Careful what you wish for.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Bosch @ 9.12, agree with everything but the shameful typo (“it’s” needs to lose an apostrophe).
RW @ 8.40, in the past 24 hours Mr. Bookman has discussed the automotive bailout, a WSJ forum video clip featuring some future-direction musings from Obama’s new chief of staff, and yes, twice, he’s posted about the GOP’s future.
If you find the “future of the GOP” a tiresome topic, I’d suggest you stick to the other threads.
As for those here who find it curious that a guy from the left would be commenting on the opposition party’s post-election difficulties, consider how many articles sprung forth after Kerry’s loss in 2004. And, well…remember the “Thank you, Michael Moore” billboard? Remember those “W: STILL the President” stickers? It’s like the conservatives have completely forgotten how they not only indulged themselves in self-praise for squeaking Bush to a re-election (woo-hoo! we won by one whole state!) but spent untold columns advising Democrats that they needed to stop appealing to those crazy progressive blogger-types and remake themselves as Republican Lite.
If you think it’s annoying for your side to hear it from the winners two weeks after the election, consider how it was for us, continuing to hear it for months afterward, going into 2005. I do hope, and I actually expect, that the “future of the GOP” will go to the back burner, and possibly into the fridge, as a topic after the inauguration, when there is real-live new legislation written, signed and enforced.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
I see Corporal still thinks that the world’s problems can only be solved at gunpoint. First, there are simply more problems that have to be dealt with than just hunting down and killing groups of people that may or may not consist entirely of terrorists. Second, one needs to ultimately take time out to assess one’s methodology and if one finds that one’s methodology is not producing satisfactory results, then one should make alterations to one’s methodology and evaluate it over some appropriate length of time before re-assessing. Lather, rinse, repeat….Corporal. Please, try viewing the world in color for a change instead of black and white. It will open up infinite possibilities for you.
By Bosch
November 20, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
DB, Gwinnettian,
I’m also guilty of “you’re” when meaning “your” and vice versa.
in school, English wasn’t my best subject.
By Mr Snarky
November 20, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Repubs are stuck in the first step: Denial. Fine with me. Stay bitter and angry and keep on losing elections.
By joan
November 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
Republicans are a shrinking group, because they believe in individual responsibility, self-determination, and working for their goals. It has become popular in this country to be whiners and losers as those are the kind of people who get attention and aid..those are Democrats.
By RW-(the original)
November 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
DB @ 9:33,
Jay’s obsession notwithstanding, the near term future of the GOP is much more in the hands of the Democrats than the Republicans. I’m sure he and you would like to lock in a GOP strategy before we see the flaws/strengths in your governance, but it isn’t going to happen.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Ray,
Please explain how the Democrats had control of the congress. Be sure to address the all important number of 60 as regards the senate and cloture.
Next please discuss how this might vary after the present Congress is disolved and the new 111th Congress is installed on January 6th, 2009.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this
Ray @ 9.32 (and to a lesser extent RW @ 9.51—it kinda ties into your reasonable assessment, is all), you may have tired of hearing about how significant an electoral victory Obama’s really was and seek to minimize it by making it all about Bush’s unpopularity. But since you raise the issue, I would submit that this election was arguably, nearly as much a game-changer as was Reagan’s in 1980.
True, Obama’s 6 point margin of popular vote victory (53-47) wasn’t as large as Reagan’s over Carter’s (50-41). However, Obama didn’t have the equivalent of John Anderson pulling votes away from McCain; somewhat to my surprise, the Libertarian voters didn’t turn out to support Barr in any significant numbers.
Fact is, Obama won states that haven’t gone Democrat in 44 years. His majority of the popular vote is significantly higher than was Reagan’s.
This isn’t a fluke, this is a significant shift, and I don’t think anything short of a catastrophic failure borne by Obama’s incompetence (you really want to bet on that?) will result in the GOP re-taking the House or Senate in ‘10.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
More self help from the Rinos:
But all this amounts to gross overanalysis. The best advice for the GOP is simple: Don’t be at the helm when the economy hits the rocks. There is no better way for an incumbent party to assure its defeat than a recession. Richard Nixon proved that in 1960, Jimmy Carter confirmed it in 1980 and George H.W. Bush removed all doubt in 1992.-Steve Chapman.
You libs are getting warmer.
By GayGrayGeek
November 20, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G @ 9:54 - Please don’t confuse the wingnuts with things like “verifiable facts” and “demonstrable truths”. If it’s not spoon-fed to them by RushBoortz on the radio, or by Faux News on the TeeBee, it Simply Isn’t So.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
GGG
Excellent point.
I need to get over wanting to watch some of these folks try to think. It’s like trying to start the 56 Chevy that’s been on cinder blocks in Bubba’s yard for 1o years. Smoke and noise.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
GGG
Good point, but I still have hope.
By AF
November 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Jay,
I don’t know how the Repubs will renew themselves. They have so obviously failed in exercising power - their much vaunted “conservative principals” are only a smoke screen for gathering power, Power, POWER. And that POWER is used to reward their corporate friends and rich donars.
The one thing they must do is get out o the clutches of the Evangelical Christian, Moral(anti-democratic) Majority, religious nuts. Come out clean and say creationism is not science. It is fine with me if the Bible and Christianity are taught in schools, as long as all major religions are taught, all great books of those religions are taught. (I even think that would be a good thing to teach - part of learning about and exploring thinking in the world.) Quit trying to legislate “marriage” and sex.
Then, maybe, just maybe, they can begin to refocus and come up with policies that appeal to the real middle America.
By Pat
November 20, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Fantastic idea, right wing nutjobs - keep smearing everyone that didn’t vote for you as stupid, gullible, moronic, irresponsible dolts who don’t believe in hard work and want “handouts”; insulting all hispanics assuming they’re all illegals and blacks as criminals or moochers. Just continue to assume we’re not your neighbors, fellow PTA members, even many of the folks who sit next to you in the pews at church. Assume we can’t be productive citizens, teachers, farmers, office workers, managers, attorneys, doctors and business owners. That approach worked so well last time. Please, I pray you, continue. If you were marketing executives at Proctor & Gamble, you couldn’t sell a single bar of soap - you’d spend all your time lying about competing products and the other half creating ads insulting people who bought your competitors’ products. With that strategy, how long would you continue to hold jobs?
By RealityKing
November 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Have no fear, the progressive socialistic down turn over the next few years will herd the mindless sheep back to the right, just as easily as the corrupt MSM herded them left. We’ve seen this before.., numerous times. A seemingly downward spiral into history repeated. Evidently Jay wasn’t paying attention in history class..
By mm
November 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
Mrs. G,
Here’s another one.
The Dem Congress hasn’t accomplished anything………… The Dem Congress caused the recession.
The wingnuts just can’t keep their lies and propaganda straight.
By getalife
November 20, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Nevermind:
“White House: Bush would sign bill to extend jobless benefits.”
By Midori
November 20, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Here is a link to keep abreast of the recount in Minnesota
you may have to keep refreshing your browser.
By GayGrayGeek
November 20, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
mm @ 10:27 - Just like the wingnuts can’t decide if Obama is a Muslim Turr-rust or a disciple of an EEEEEEE-VULLLLL Christian congregation, right?
I half-expect to find out any day now that Rush, Boortz and/or Bill-O have declared that Water Is Dry and Fire Is Cold…
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Progressive socialist down turn…..
now theres another one!
Wasn’t it just a marxist mental recession for whiners?
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
To Mrs. G.
Just trying to keep you amused.
To Taxpayer
They’ll come for you first.
By mm
November 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
RealityKing,
It’s time to stop blaming the MSM and start blaming the GOP for it’s downfall.
Geez, you wingnuts would have voted for a Charles Manson/Lizzie Borden ticket as long as there was a ‘R’ next to their name on the ballot.
By Copyleft
November 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Corporal: You post that message a lot, but you don’t seem to understand that the country already HAS returned to “common sense and a strong America.”
We did it just a couple of weeks ago, when we voted out the failed policies of the Republicans to replace them with smarter, more effective Democratic ones.
By tcoach
November 20, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
GayGreek, Guess the same way you could not make up your mind yesterday and answer a question abot the EEEEEEE-VULLLLL Christian congregation.
By Jane
November 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
I’ll keep adding to this list so you’ll know not to sterotype me: I’m a white female who has lived in GA and SC all my life. I have never voted for a Republican for President since I started voting in 1972. It’s nice to be on the winning side for a change. I’m a Christian who believes in individual responsibility, self-determination, and working for my goals. The Republican Party could never tempt me to join their ranks because of the statements I have heard over and over by people who are Republicans and who assume I will agree with them because I’m white. They say things like “we need to bring segregation back” and “I’m tired of paying taxes just to support the N’s and their illegitimate children.” These people don’t know that blacks are only 10% of the US population and Hispanics only 13% so no candidate for President can be elected without a large white vote. They also have chosen not to know that welfare is not used to support people so they don’t have to work and that paying taxes benefits all of us. Both the conservative view and the liberal view are legitimate points on the political contnuum and there is a constant pull back and forth between the two. Proponents of both views have had successes and failures. Republicans and Democrats both are supposed to use their political parties to get elected and then they are to work together to do what’s best for the country. If the new administration makes the same mistakes as the last one did it too will fail.But I’m praying it won’t!
By Ray
November 20, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Ms. G,
Numbers still stand, regardless of party affiliation. The 2006 election saw the takeover of the US House by a 53.6% to 46.4% majority. That shifted the balance of power to the libs by virtue of the Speaker, Majority Leader, the Majority Whip and the Caucus Chair along with all of the Chairs of all the Committees being from the Democratic party. Bills, appropriations, budgets, laws….. all originate from House committees. The Chair is all powerful as he/she can elect to submit legislation to the floor at his/her discretion. Most of this proposed legislation does not get to first base if it does not comply with the Chair’s political agenda.
The Senate presently is 49/49 with two independents. They do not even see legislation to debate unless the House passes it up to them. But the control lies in the House.
Forward to 2009… Franken picks up MN, Chambliss loses GA, Dole is toast in NC, Stevens loses in AK, the margin is getting thinner. Elect 60 Senators from any party and cloture is an issue. The libs , with 60 members, can invoke cloture and close debate on any issue and bring it to a vote. This is close to becoming a reality.
The 111th Congress will probably be a bullet proof political machine with a blank check, no distaff opinion that means anything and total control to do what they will. That is if the 72% doesn’t get any higher. If it rises to much more, the party in power is always in peril as to the next election and we wouldn’t want, now would we?
Used to have a 56 Chevy. One of the best cars I ever owned. But you already guessed that, didn’t you?
By AmVet
November 20, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Maybe I’m seeing the light, but I’m actually starting to agree with the neo-cons.
Why advise them at all? Other than rubbing their noses in their innumerable failures, what’s the point?
Let them rot. Gawd knows they are well on the way.
And as for the argument that they are dead, I also disagree.
They are worse, they are the walking dead.
And I even agree with RW for one of an exceptionally few times ever. The fate of these zombie Republicants is to some degree in the hands of the Democrats.
Strange though, that the two parties have somewhat reversed historic roles and the GOP is now viewed as the bungling party of electoral incompetents…
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
Jane @ 10.51, so you voted for “acid, amnesty and appeasement” back in ‘72, eh?
The GOP’s always been such a class act, I don’t know why anyone would feel they need to change!
By RealityKing
November 20, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
It’s really sad to see politically driven professors dubiously attempting to associate the ideals of religion to the ideals of their opponents. Emory students deserve much better than this…
By Soixante huitard
November 20, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
As The Economist (which leans towards that bunch of socialists, the British Tories) writes, the problem with the GOP is primarily an intellecual one:
JOHN STUART MILL once dismissed the British Conservative Party as the stupid party. Today the Conservative Party is run by Oxford-educated high-fliers who have been busy reinventing conservatism for a new era. As Lexington sees it, the title of the “stupid party” now belongs to the Tories’ transatlantic cousins, the Republicans.
There are any number of reasons for the Republican Party’s defeat on November 4th. But high on the list is the fact that the party lost the battle for brains. Barack Obama won college graduates by two points, a group that George Bush won by six points four years ago. He won voters with postgraduate degrees by 18 points. And he won voters with a household income of more than $200,000—many of whom will get thumped by his tax increases—by six points. John McCain did best among uneducated voters in Appalachia and the South
By GodHatesTrash
November 20, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
You’ll note that since the election Bookman has been rewriting my old posts and making him the subjects of his columns.
He’s finally realized that 53% of Americans - and all decent Americans - have abandoned the ooogedy-boogedy boo clowns that make up the Repugnantican Party.
By Morningstar
November 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
There’s more news for concerned Georgians today. According the the GDOL, Georgia’s unemployment rate jumped to 7.0% as of the end of October 31, 2008. The national UI rate is 6.5% if anyone cares. And or course anyone who knows anything about the job market knows MANY more are unemployed. The rate is based on the number of unemployment insurance claims filed during specific periods.
Methinks there’s just not enough of those created ‘minimum wage’ jobs out there to go around. Oh well, we’re living in a NEW GEORGIA, so all will be well.
The problem is that neither the EXTREME LEFT wing of the Democrat party, nor the NEO-CON EXTREME righties of the Republican party have enough sense to cuss a cat!!!
Pray for rain, or go fishin.’ I’m going for a very long walk!!!
By Ray
November 20, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
The post-election environment has put on display my favorite Republican character defect———- EGO
Your right. You’re perfect just the way you are. No problemo. Please, pretty please, don’t change a thing.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
GOOD BOY ROY….
one small clarification…
you say “the control lies in the House”
that “control” is the “control” to send bills to the senate.
The “cons”, to use your way of labeling, invoked the cloture rule thereby preventing “dem” control of congress. You do understand that now right? That the dems did not have control of congress, right?
Ok, going forward, if we get to the sexy sixty, the cloture rule will be less in play.
In the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday, 59 percent of those questioned said Democratic control of both the executive and legislative branches will be good for the country, compared with 38 percent saying such one-party control will be bad
So, at least for the moment most of us want the government to be in the hands of the Democrats.
The aggressive agenda of the Obama administration will be much more effective with the new majority in Congress and the support of most of America.
Forgive the cliche, but we are going to kick a* and take names.
By no to nannystate
November 20, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Jane, I too am a white female. I have lived in the South my entire adult life, but in my youth live in many places (military family). I don’t listen to the ‘crazies’ from either party, but the conservative perspective makes much more sense to me than liberal idealogy. I wish the AJC would carry Thomas Sowell… his opinions always seem sensible; e.g.,
“The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.”
“The old adage about giving a man a fish versus teaching him to fish has been updated by a reader: Give a man a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and French fries! Moreover, some politician who wants his vote will declare all these things to be among his “basic rights.”
By Ray
November 20, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Must be two Rays on this blog.
By Copyleft
November 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Yes, an educated man like Sowell takes great pains to disparage education.
And the ignorant lap it up with a spoon. Ironic, isn’t it?
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
By “The Corporal” November 20, 2008 10:42 AM …To Taxpayer They’ll come for you first.
Such words probably scare the crap out of you, Corporal. Fear-mongering never has worked on me though. Give me your best shot. Oh, that was it!
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Mr. Bookman, if you don’t mind my putting in a word for the competition: Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com has this post dovetailing nicely into your thoughts.
(I would link to it, except every post I’ve done with a link of late has gotten eated.)
And by “second passage” Nate’s speaking of a crazy-funny interview with that “whyobamawaselected” guy’s ridiculous push-poll. It’s really worth reading, and it’s posted to 538 as well.
But here’s the quote:
“It is not that conservatism generally permits less nuance than liberalism (in terms of political messaging, that is probably one of conservatism’s strengths). Rather, the key lies in the second passage that I highlighted. There are a certain segment of conservatives who literally cannot believe that anybody would see the world differently than the way they do. They have not just forgotten how to persuade; they have forgotten about the necessity of persuasion.”
By ByteMe
November 20, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
DB, Gwinnettian: there’s a liberal flip side to the conservatives who cannot believe anybody would see the world differently. It’s the liberal who sees a conservative who think differently and just thinks that natural selection somehow missed one.
By Jane
November 20, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
No to nannystate: hmmm - I don’t remember saying I was a liberal. I am conservative on some things and liberal on others so I guess I am a moderate. As I said, sometimes the conservative view on an issue is right and sometimes the liberal view is the best way to go. And I also said both have had failures - the liberal iniatitive to provide low-income housing in concentrated projects and the conservative idea of massive deregulation come to mind. What if the middle is right - provide some kind of tax-supported safety net for people under certain circumstances, provide some oversight and regulation to prevent the greedy crazies from walking away with our money, but promote ethical free market capitalism and less government intrusion into our personal lives?
By Rocco Pedestrian
November 20, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
I was just telling my wife this morning that the Republicans are now a permanent minority party. There will always be 10-15% conservatives and 10-15% liberals in the US, and that’s a good thing. And the hardliners on each side are immovable ideologues. But the fragmented Democratic party represents middle America now, and they have finally learned to herd cats and get everybody to the polls. As education increases, democracy is demanded; as democracy increases, socialism becomes destiny. All are one.
By getalife
November 20, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
The big three should get bailed out by big oil not big government.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
ByteMe @ 11.54, while your observation might be correct about those corollary lefties, Nate’s post I quoted was about a larger rhetorical issue, speaking to how conservative talk radio works.
I’ll try posting a link to it here. Let’s see what happens.
It’s really worth reading the whole thing, including Nate’s original interview with the clownish John Ziegler.
Again, not that I’m trying to re-direct traffic away from Jay. I figure Jay probably checks 538 pretty regularly, himself.
By Sarah Lyons
November 20, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
One component of RP troubles that has not yet been told — their diminished connection to independent voters. It hurt McCain/Palin badly – they got only 44% of the independent vote. Obama took 52%. (Even New Hampshire went for Obama in the end!)
Rather than talk about how to reposition themselves to win back independents, the RP in some quarters atleast, is bent on pushing independents even further away!
Case in point Idaho where the RP has filed a federal lawsuit against the Secretary of State to do away with open primaries (which allow independents to vote and which have been in operation for decades) and institute partisan registration (state currently has non-partisan registration). Both moves curtail independents rights to participate.
Independent voters and two groups representing independents were recently granted the right to intervene as defendants along with the Secretary of State by the federal court — a move which acknowledge independents unique interests in the election process.
By Cindy
November 20, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
It almost sounds as though you are saying Christians always vote Republican. This may be true of “Fundamentalist” Christians. However, the Fundamentalists do not have a monopoly on Christianity (although many of them believe they do). Many good Christian people vote as Democrats.
I am reminded of the old joke where St. Peter was giving a tour to a new arrival to heaven. When St. Peter approached a certain room he told the new arrival to be very quiet. “The Fundamentalists are in there,” St. Peter said, “They think they are the only ones here.”
By KenFromCalifornia
November 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
so it appears that the southern strategy has at last met its demise.
it was bound to happen…as blacks left the jim crow states, the percentages of white voting power increased as a default. but with all the growth of the south, the re-migration of blacks BACK TO THE SOUTH occured.
add the white displacement caused by textile and manufacturing losses (their young people say “forget it” and move away and get exposed to diversity in big cities), and all you have left is a small republican base that john mccain picks sarah palin to appease…with disasterous results.
there was nothing more telling than john mccain’s concession speech. how many minorities did the camera find in the audience? surely someone in that crowd had a neighbor, a coworker, or even a friend they could have invited to join them?
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Does this even make sense:
Fed considers lower interest rate to recharge the economy-Urinal/DNC
If we are in the midst of a horrible credit crisis, as everybody is whining we are, how will lower interest rates coax lenders into giving up more money?
And then there is this:
FULTON COUNTY: 17% increase in water rates proposed for ‘09 With water use continuing to decline due to conservation, Fulton County proposed on Wednesday to increase water rates substantially for the second time in the past six months.-Urinal/DNC
So if we quit using water like government wants us to do, how much will we wind up paying?
More government is the answer?
By Williebkind
November 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
I have learned one thing about the conservatives! The conservatives let the biased media elect the president and the congress. Did you see the poll where democratic voters were asked questions about the election and hardly none of them knew who was running, who was in charge of congress, who nancy pelosi is, or who reid is. Those who voted democrat did not know anything outside the biased media reports. Now all you recent newcomers who have voted have the chance to turn America into a 3rd rate country. That you do know about. It will cycle again where the conservatives will take over running the country but the conservatives must never let their membership forget or lose their principles. Jay is simply another liberal eejit who wants America to become a sociallist state. Finally when that happens we can get rid of the liberal biased media.
By Tom
November 20, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
If you can’t except the new population demographics of “the melting pot”, if you can’t keep up with the future’s changes, then perhaps you should realize you’re a thing of the past. Please though, as your demographics get smaller and smaller, speak your voice, but stop being surprised when nobody listens, and allow the rest of the world get on with it’s life.
By AGTfan
November 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
The problem that faces the Republican Party is always on display in this blog and in Wootens blog. The hard-core base is composed of far right true believers. They are so convinced that they are right, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, that they exclude any one who isn’t a true believer. There isn’t room for moderates. There isn’t room for dissention or discussion. There is only room for true believers. As long as people like “The Corporal” or “RealityKing” or “AJC/DNC Management” are the focus of the Republican Party, then the party will continue to decline in influence. I suppose Democrats should be happy, but as an Independant I’m not. There are many conservative principals that are valuable, but they have been abandoned by the Republican Party in favor of socially devisive issues that appeal to the party’s more biggoted base.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Williebkind,
WTF are you talking about?
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Williebkind, yes, I saw the poll. It’s become something of a laughingstock in the past 24 hours, actually.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
To Copyleft
Hey, get your own lines.
To Taxpayer
I know you don’t worry because you are protected by better men than yourself.
By Paul
November 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Democrats should be embarrassed. After all the accusations about the 2000 and 2004 results, the allegations of fraud that would occur this election by unprincipled Republicans…. well, this is what Democrats thru Al Franken’s campaign assert is a ballot that shouldn’t be counted.
Arguing over a hanging chad is one thing. Saying this voter didn’t intend his vote for Coleman insults one’s intelligence.
Link: Democrats challenged this ballot
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
To Cindy
May I remind you that simply calling oneself a Christian means nothing.
“Not everyone who calls Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
By DCDawg
November 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
NOVEMBER 18, 2008 Obama’s Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy Stunning Break with Last Eight Years
In the first two weeks since the election, President-elect Barack Obama has broken with a tradition established over the past eight years through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers say.
Millions of Americans who watched Mr. Obama’s appearance on CBS’ “Sixty Minutes” on Sunday witnessed the president-elect’s unorthodox verbal tick, which had Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences virtually every time he opened his mouth.
But Mr. Obama’s decision to use complete sentences in his public pronouncements carries with it certain risks, since after the last eight years many Americans may find his odd speaking style jarring.
According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota, some Americans might find it “alienating” to have a President who speaks English as if it were his first language.
“Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in agreement,” says Mr. Logsdon. “If he keeps it up, he is running the risk of sounding like an elitist.”
The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences in his speeches, the public may find itself saying, “Okay, subject, predicate, subject predicate - we get it, stop showing off.”
The President-elect’s stubborn insistence on using complete sentences has already attracted a rebuke from one of his harshest critics, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska.
“Talking with complete sentences there and also too talking in a way that ordinary Americans like Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder can’t really do there, I think needing to do that isn’t tapping into what Americans are needing also,” she said.
By SSDD
November 20, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Shrinking AMerica is right and we’re going to keep shrinking.
The government will continue to look to the taxpayers to pay for their programs and stupidity (non-partisan here - both parties are equally bad here).
Just let the unions get hold of more businesses and that will pretty much put the bow on the box.
By ByteMe
November 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC: your question on interest rates being lowered is a surprisingly good one.
The answer is “it will and it won’t”.
It will lower the interest rate that BANKS pay to obtain money from the Fed, but won’t require them to reduce the rate they charge to customers, so the theory is that it’ll provide a better margin for lending. Think 0% interest loans that the car companies were doing a few years ago to entice people to buy cars. Same theory… and what helped bring about the credit bubble in the first place, but try not to look too closely at that.
It won’t instill confidence or transparency in the credit markets, so banks will still hesitate to lend to each other (in order to create larger loans needed to do things like fund innovative companies or infrastructure projects), so in the end, lowering interest rates will not unfreeze the credit markets. Only regulations that make the markets more transparent will do that. And those regulations likely won’t happen before January when the new Congress convenes.
By AJC/DNC Management
November 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
By AGTfan November 20, 2008 12:56 PM As long as people like “The Corporal” or “RealityKing” or “AJC/DNC Management” are the focus of the Republican Party, then the party will continue to decline in influence.
You may want to check the results of the voting in Georgia, sweetheart.
And that was in spite of all the liberal cheating and vote stealing.
We whooped your behinds.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
By* “The Corporal”* November 20, 2008 1:16 PM To Taxpayer I know you don’t worry because you are protected by better men than yourself.
Corporal,
I am quite certain that there are better men out there than myself. I am also certain that you are not amongst them.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Andy,
you must be very proud.
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe everybody hasn’t seen what Williebkind is talking about. Where have you people been? I guess the same place the people polled have been.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
hi Paul :)
you may find these amusing
By SkepticTank
November 20, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
The one fact that conservatives on this board continue to dodge is that they have been disenfranchised by the national Republican Party. George W. Bush and the GOP Congress were more liberal in their spending habits than any Democrats that preceded them. John McCain ran a campaign that appeased more Bush followers than Rush followers. No wonder the cons on this blog are angry as hell. They hate liberals and Democrats, but their own party has left them in the dust. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer group of hatemongers.
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
What I find incredible is that the dems think that the repubs are “hatemongers”…I don’t see the repubs protesting, harrasing and sometimes causing bodily harm to people because they lost the election. What I do see is the “hatemongers” in California who lost to Prop 8. I don’t know whether these people are dems or repubs but I’ve got a feeling they are dems. I guess for that reason it might be a good thing Obama won.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
Now Taxpayer, don’t take it so personal. I didn’t mean better in a moral sense I meant it in a physical protection sense. You know, most people are sheep, a few are wolves and then a very few are sheepdogs. Be thankful for them.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
fed up in gwinnett
Please show us where the protesters are being violent or threatening? I think you are making that up!
From all we’ve seen they’ve been peaceful and colorful. Singing and waving rainbow flas….. not so much as a crate of tea thrown into the harbor…..
can you hate monger with a rainbow flag and really great shoes?
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
oh and fed up in gwinnett
click here for info on the willibekind nonsense.
By Copyleft
November 20, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
May I remind you that simply calling oneself a Christian means nothing.
True… and repeatedly calling oneself “a better man” likewise means nothing… especially coming from one so inferior.
By MIke In Woodstock
November 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
whites are still close to 80 percent of the electorate,
This statement is a lie. It is closer to 65 - 70 percent.
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
Sorry Mrs. G I’m not in the habit of making stuff up. And I didn’t see any rainbow flags either at least not in the coverage I’ve seen where the protesters are threatening and violent. So please don’t be silly. I guess you didn’t know what williebkind was talking about either?
By jon
November 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Headline - GOP Appealing to a Shrinking America
You got that right, Jay. Those that pay taxes!
By Abomi Nation
November 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
“I don’t see the repubs protesting, harrasing and sometimes causing bodily harm to people because they lost the election.”
No, but i sure have seen them do some pretty God awful things to protest a certain Supreme Court decision.
You seem upset at the prop 8 protesters. Actually they have been very tame compared to other protests.
Take abortion protesters. One set a bomb off at an abortion clinic killing a POLICEMAN and severely injuring a NURSE. Then of course you have the assassin that killed DOCTORS.
Abortion protesters use blockades, bloody posters, boycotts and other horrible tactics.
“I don’t see the repubs protesting, harrasing and sometimes causing bodily harm to people”
Of course Republicans do. They are much worse. Not even close. Can you imagine the fake outrage had the gay protesters used anti-abortion tactics? You would be calling them terrorists.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
By* “The Corporal”* November 20, 2008 3:02 PM To Taxpayer Now Taxpayer, don’t take it so personal. I didn’t mean better in a moral sense I meant it in a physical protection sense. You know, most people are sheep, a few are wolves and then a very few are sheepdogs. Be thankful for them.
Corporal,
You should not assume that 1) I take anything you type personally (I addressed this issue in a previous thread once already for your benefit), 2) I have limited my comment about a better man to any particular “sense”, 3) I care anything about your relationship with animals — wolves, sheep, or otherwise — or have a desire to be thankful for the things that you apparently are thankful for, 4) I think you are doing anything more than providing cheap entertainment while I wait for the time to pick up my daughter — look at the time. You’ve been amusing, Corporal, in a cheap sort of way. Keep up the good work.
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
fed up
SHOW US THE VIOLENCE….seems you’re the only one to see it. Prove your statement or be considered a maker up of stuff!
Were you not talking about willibkinds post on the Zeilger/ Zogby push poll from his post at 12:43 or the first response to it at 12:56?
If so read the link I provided.
Reading is fundamental.
By SaveOurRepublic
November 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
SSDD @ 1:25 PM - Well said! I’d add it’s shrinking by design as well. The Globalist Elite knows one of the major boundaries to their totalitarian, dystopian agenda is the White, Christian, “traditional” foundation(s) of our Nation, and thus have pushed for open borders, enabled a “humanist” agenda via Madison Avenue & pushed a quasi-socialist mandate via their puppets on “Crapitol sHill”.
As for the GOP, they’ve allowed mass infestation of the Machiavellian Neocon & their Globalist agenda. In my estimation it’s the skyrocketing spending, police-state implementation, Globalist Empire building scheme & open borders/surrendering of U.S. sovereignty which will be/is the downfall of the GOP. As I’ve said many times, the GOP & DNC “leadership” are indeed two sides of the same Globalist Elite controlled coin…meant to deceive/pacify the sheeple into believing they have a true “choice” (between two controlled “sides”). Putting up the front of a (controlled) opposition has long been a favorite M.O. of the Globalist Elite.
By Jake
November 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
In the very near future we will become a three party country, democrats, social democrats, and libertarians who will acquire the fringe republicans still left.
By AGTfan
November 20, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
AJC/DNC Management Like I said, I’m an Independent. but I do appreciate you once again proving my point. People like you are going to be death of the Republican Party. Yes you continue to do well in Klan country, but you are destroying any chance for conservative ideals to be part of the national dialogue. And no I don’t think the Confederacy is going to rise again.
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
a nation you’re right that is definately hate behavior and I don’t condone that. The comments on this blog are about the most current election cycle and I’m sorry but the way protestors are acting over prop 8 is horrible and definately hatemongering, sure not showing how “tolerant” they are. I stand by my comment.
By Abomi Nation
November 20, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Fed Up, you stand by your comment? Your comment was 100% WRONG.
Gays are doing what every American has the right to do. PROTEST. A few are always going to act out. Out of 15,000 protesting in San Diego last weekend only ONE person was arrested, HE WAS A REPUBLICAN counter-protester!
Do we get rid of all protest Fed UP, or just the ones you don’t like?
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
Guess what Mrs. G, I really could care less if you think “you’re a maker up of stuff” whatever that means.
By Paul
November 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Midori 2:39
I’d say “sadly amusing.” And yes, yes, I know… there are goombahs on both sides. But some of the challenges, like the one I cited, are so far off they cheapen the process. But there’s gotta be a better way.
By "The Corporal"
November 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
To Taxpayer
“He who is conviced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
By Mrs. Godzilla
November 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
fed up
Bottom line you can’t back up your statement.
Zero credibilty …..
By Razmus
November 20, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
Jay, Let me first say that I haven’t agreed with you on basically anything that you have written in the last three years. Today you wrote a piece about bailing out the car companies and Romni’s position on this. You were exactly right and I applaud you for it. Also today, Pelosi, a leader of the party that you support, said that letting the car companies go bankrupt was off the table, in direct conflict with what you said and most Americans believe and want. Our government, be it Democrat or Republican, has gone insane. Bush and his boys in the Treasury and Obama, Pelosi and Read and their debt to the labor unions and both parties ties to the Lobbyists are going to be remembered for selling out the children that are being born today and those yet to be born in this country. Our leaders, on both sides of the aisle, have lost touch with reality. There is nowhere for the American people to look to for hope anymore. Obama and his Clinton infested and lobbyist infested White House certainly aren’t going to change the tide. The Republicans are stuck in a rut of their own making and offer little hope in the near future. The Republicans aren’t only ones that have lost touch. ALL OF THOSE IN OUR MISERABLE GOVERMENT HAVE.
By Taxpayer
November 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
By “The Corporal” November 20, 2008 4:26 PM To Taxpayer “He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
”Corporal,
Your words are humorously torture at times (i.e., capable of busting a gut) but hardly capable of altering my convictions. Besides, haven’t you heard? Water-boarding is illegal. Now, did you have a point that you were trying to make.
By tom
November 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Conservatives should thrilled. Now that stem cell research is back on the agenda scientists will finally be able to grow a brain for each and every one of you woefully ignorant, delusional bigots & rednecks.
RIP republican party, but you brought this on yourslves.
By Razmus
November 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Link to this
Tom, Consevatives shouldn’t feel any comfort from the research if the stem cells come from your genetic line.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
Paul,
yet its the Republicans doing most of the “challenging”
By Paul
November 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
Midori
I was not referring to challenging in and of itself. I was referring to challenges that are, shall we say, over the top. Especially when done by Democrats.
My first post was to make the point Democrats set themselves up as guardians of a fair process and pretty much painted Republicans as willing to do anything to ‘steal’ an election.
Then up pops that picture of a ballot where the voter colored outside the circle next to Coleman’s name - it had an ‘x’ and a ‘squiggle’ - and the Democratic challenger didn’t want it to count.
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
Sorry Ms. G I’ve been reading this blog for quite a while and have seen your posts….you my friend have 0 (zero) credibility. Pot calling the kettle again. Gosh darn I bet you think that’s racist.
By cc
November 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Link to this
the republican party has themselves in a pickle/ to align one’s self to people that think the Bible is all and everything is to paint yourseld into a corner. no one book can contain all you need to know in a world that is constantly changing and unforeseen, as God would like it by the way, especially in a book that isn’t even as thick as war and peace or stephen king’s the stand. nor can the Bible be discounted because of all the good things it has to say. somehow, even after all the death and hatred i have seen, i still believe in something greater. but i can’t confirm or deny it. if you know there is a God than i think you are as misguided as an atheist. i don’t believe n blind faith, because blind faith means automatically believing in something another human being told you without question. just look up some history sometime and see just how much trouble that has gotten us into. but i do believe in hope. i hope this country gets better. i hope we stop letting people with their own personal interest divide us an make us fight amongst ourselves. i hope we can become Americans again and republicans and democrats a distant second. and i hope for this country, and it would also help the republican party, that we think government first decided on common sense, fairness and compromise, and then just let everybody worship any way they want to on their own spare time, without the threat of prejudice or persecution. i’ve found you can actually pray all by yourself and you don’t even need a church or somebody’s book. and let your tithe be the things you do for others.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I think it’s time to lock you back up in the kitchen :)
By Paul
November 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Link to this
Midori
Well, I was just getting ready to go whip up some crab cakes (minimal filler - let the crab shine through) with a roasted red pepper sauce.
But ya’ gotta leave the chains off.
By Midori
November 20, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this
lol, Paul.
DEAL!!
:)
By fed up in gwinnett
November 20, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
Razmus at 4:33 p.m. DITTO, I was watching Pelosi’s speech and the dow at the same time as soon as she uttered the words that bankruptcy wasn’t an option for the auto makers the dow plunged. Government is a mess, it doesn’t matter Dems or Repubs. We need to get rid of all of them, I said it right after the first bail out that hasn’t done a thing for the economy and of course a lot of them were voted back in. Now obama is getting all the clinton people and the lobbyist in his administration. To quote Abraham Lincoln (who Obama quoted a lot)’You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.’ Too bad we didn’t hear that quote from him or any other current politician.
By thogwummpy
November 20, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this
Bookman is correct. The GOP appeals to individuals that have a strong sense of personal responsibility. And indeed, that is a shrinking demographic. The Dims will continue to grow along with the complaining “blame everyone else” immature adult children of voting age….like Bookman himself. It’s the same mindset that pretends that subprime borrowers had nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis…because they “can’t read a contract” like grown ups are expected to do.
By cochise
November 20, 2008 10:18 PM | Link to this
I love how the price of gas has dropped over $ 2.00 a gallon in less than 8 weeks thanks to President Bush and the GOP and no one says a word. Nancy Pelosi said if the ban on off shore drilling was lifted and we began to drill , gas prices Might drop .10 cents per gallon in 10 years. However, GW let the ban expire and the speculators got antsy and the I payed $ 1.76 for gas today. Libs still call it a choice, to me it’s still a dead child. The market is crashing in response to a President elect who has said, ” Let them try to open a new clean burning coal plant and I will bankrupt the industry.” He also said if his plans are put in place everyone electric bills are going to “skyrocket” . The housing market crashed because of Clinton and Barney Franks failed policy and McCain said he wanted to spend $300 billion to help these people keep their homes. Lets make the problem worse by refusing to admit it was made in the first place. Good ol’ big ears is filling his post’s with clinton lap dogs….change you can believe in…yeah right. I consider myself middle class, The only thing I want form the federal government is to be left alone, I can provide for myself and my family, I have ins. on my home, cars, my life and health. I want to hear a President talk about freedom, independence, personal responsibility, Liberty. Did any one hear one word come out of oblama’s mouth about liberty, freedom or archiving their goals without help from the government? Jay you got one point right, the people who have been carrying this country for so long are now the minority. our new POTUS is a self admitted Marxist and you people are too stupid to realize what this nation is going to look like for your children.
By Elrey Jones
November 20, 2008 10:36 PM | Link to this
Bookman and Abramowitz are both Bolsheviks and I don’t trust either. These bolshevik devils would racialize heaven if only given the chance. I don’t know about married white couples but I know white trash when I see it and Bookman and Abramowitz both fit the definition of white trash.
By GaLiberal
November 20, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this
The Rethuglicon party will always have the support of a large number of people. Particularly in the South and Midwest. These are where the fantasy “American Dream” is still accepted as the truth. The Rethuglicons continue to ply lies like “The US is for white, Anglo, Christians.” Or “If you work hard enough, you will be rich and successful like me.” Or “You’re better off with less government and lower taxes.” Or “Black men are thugs waiting to rob you and deserve to be in prison.”
The Rethuglicon party will always appeal to the lowest common denominator of society. The bigot. The theocrat. The plutocrat. The Fascist. People that are members of “civic groups” like the NRA, the KKK, white supremacists, and neoNazis. With the economic crisis, people will flock to these groups. A white supremacist group had 2,000 new members after President-elect Obama was declared the winner. Speaks volumes about the Rethuglicon party.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And the people that support the Rethuglicon party are living proof.
By Frederick Douglass
November 20, 2008 10:44 PM | Link to this
Bush and the GOP has about as much to do with gas prices going down, as I have with the price of Afro-Sheen going up. We’re talking about a guy that can’t pour p** out of a boot with the directions written on the sole. Bottom line, this country is thoroughly fed up with that hatred bull crap, there are too many pressing issues on people’s plates to be focusing on that senseless 1950’s era mularkey.
By cochise
November 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Link to this
The republican party will have support of people who work hard , solve their own problems, have a strong moral compass and believe in personal freedom. I know many minorities who vote the gop.
By cochise
November 21, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this
Fredrick douglas , I do not use the product but thanks for keeping the price of afro sheen down. How do think the gas prices dropped? Tell us old wise one.
By MAC
November 21, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this
There’s a lot of hateful leftists on here hatefully denouncing conservative “hate”.
By GodHatesTrash
November 21, 2008 5:32 AM | Link to this
If my goals in life were different, perhaps I would have different friends and acquaintances.
If I hated science and learning, and preferred nonsense, if I wanted to whine like a little girl about blacks, gays, foreigners, Yankees, people that are smarter and better educated than me, etc. I could hang out with people like Bookman’s RightWingnut ooogedy-booogedy boo! crowd.
But that’s not who I am, and not how I want to spend the rest of my life.
Today, I’ll be spending the morning at a local middle school with my slideshows and foreign currencies - one group will learn some more about Eastern Europe, another about Chile and Argentina. The afternoon, a nap and the gym, tonight some shopping for my wife’s birthday present, and a movie.
No whining, no whiners.
By Elrey Jones
November 21, 2008 5:39 AM | Link to this
GaLiberal is just another racist pervert who blindly is in bed prostituting with the demoncrapper party. Sure the screw ups by Bush allowed a racist member of a racist african church run by a racist anti-white preacher who gave an award to a racist, hateful, and genocidal mindied Louis Farakklan. Yes Obama is definitely a neo-racist and has ties to American terrorists. While I wish him success as all Americans do, the Demoncrappers who voted for him proved beyond a doubt they are a racist party. They also are a slave party. Slave party you say? Yes I says it. They want to expand welfare for their voters that essentially enslaves middle class workers who will have to pay for it. The transfer of wealth from the non-producers to the producers is slavery. The Demoncrappers favor slavery. Slavery is outlawed. Demoncrappers are an outlaw party. A racist party and a slave party. You poor devils have never changed. Will the great Obamanation free slaves or increase slavery. We know what Lincoln did - he freed slaves but will the great obamanation?
By GodHatesTrash
November 21, 2008 5:42 AM | Link to this
My, how the heathen rage!
By Eric
November 21, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this
C’mon Jay. At this point your columns have become little more than internet trolling. You guys won. Heck, you guys crushed. So why keep focusing on Republicans? The people have spoken. Why not focus on all the great ideas you guys have to fix things? How about all that fresh, new change we can believe in? Or was that all just cheap election talk?
By bobfromcanton
November 21, 2008 7:04 AM | Link to this
Well, at least Jay is admitting he will soon be un-employed, since newspapers are not valued by the younger generation, many of whom cannot read or spell let alone write a sentence, and the non-English speaking folks. So when will we begin to see a Spanish version of the AJC for our newest immigrants Jay?
By Art
November 21, 2008 7:47 AM | Link to this
Keep up the nativist diarea of the mouth AJC/DNC Management. Your obvious xenophobia, nativism, and racism is what has doomed the GOP. Whether fair or not, the perception is that the Republican party has become nothing more than a bunch of terrified closet Klansmen. The, as you nativists like to say, “browning of America”, is inevitable. The sooner you get it through your thick, ignorant, skulls the better off you will be. Otherwise enjoy being on the outside looking in for the rest of eternity.
By Bud Wiser
November 21, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
In the interest of “fair and balanced”, I’d like to share with you all Wall Streets happiness with the election of BO, as compared to GWB in 2000. Please keep in mind that GWB is currently being blamed for everything from the financial collapse )that actually began covertly with the passage of the CRA in the Clinton years), to toe fungi. Obama does not take office until January, but this is a statistical comparison by the numbers only.
DJIA 11-07-00 : 10,978.72 (election day) DJIA 11-23-00 : 10,399.32 (16 days later) net loss : @5%, -579.40 (end of the Clinton years)
DJIA 11-04-08 : 9323.89 (election day) DJIA 11-20-08 : 7552.29 (16 days later) net loss : @ -19%, -1771.6
DJIA 11-20-08 7552.29 DJIA 11-23-00 10,399.32 net loss : @ -27%, -2,847.03
Bush was taking over during a Clintonesque induced mini-recession, the Dow continuing to fall to 7500 in mid October of 2002, before beginning an upward surge until just a year and a half or so ago. Lax Republican and Democrat approaches to business practices, combined with no Congressional oversight allowed this to accelerate. Greedy corporate execs taking advantage of these practices enriched their own pocketbooks exponentially at the expense of their company’s work forces.
Now Obama will take office soon. What will he do? Well, so far his change theme he used to get elected has brought virtually no change whatsoever, with all Clinton era folks either already named, or in line for, key Washington posts. His tax increase plans have dug a wider trench to oblivion as far as Wall Street thinks, with this downward spiral accelerating on a daily basis now. His total non-comprehension of basic economics is scaring the bejesus out of everyone except Peggy Joseph, who still thinks she won’t have to pay for her gas for her car, or pay on her mortgage anymore, now that BO has arrived. Her and 63 million of her uneducated, illiterate hand-extended (for grabbing, not shaking) friends have made this nightmare in the making happen.
By the above statistics, it took GWB 8 years to cause the loss of 27$ market value, whereas BHO has managed to cause the loss of 19% in 2 1/2 weeks, that is of course unless you public educated tools buy into this nonsense of presidential control and responsibility of the marketplace.
Take these figures, cram them into a pipe, and smoke on them for a while. Then, think about what GWB did to pull us out of a mini-recession via tax cuts, as opposed to the annihilation that awaits us with BHO tax increases and virtually uncontrolled Congressional spending.
By williebkind
November 21, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
Well in ealier comments there was mentioning that the gay demonstrators were not violet. YES IT WAS! A young christian girl was knocked down with a bible and kicked in the legs multiple times. The police made a report and the young lady would not press charges. The gays and liberals are saying that it is a civil right to redefine marriage. How radical! The law of the land applies if only it supports your personal agenda? Now they are taking it back to the courts because they refuse to uphold traditions and let the people speak. Is this the very court that already allowed it? How vile and discusting they are!
By GaLiberal
November 21, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Elrey Jones@5:39 AM said: …the Demoncrappers who voted for him proved beyond a doubt they are a racist party. They also are a slave party. Slave party you say? Yes I says it. They want to expand welfare for their voters that essentially enslaves middle class workers who will have to pay for it.
Mr Jones is typical of the ignorance of those that support the Rethuglicon party. The Rethuglicons have spent $100s of BILLIONS on the reckless and unnecessary Iraq war. Then they gave huge taxcuts that benefited the uberrich. In just eight short years, the Rethuglicons have taken this country from a budget surplus to a deficit of over $500 BILLION and increased the national debt to over $10 TRILLION. The Rethuglicons have set up a oligarchy where the lower classes are enslaved paying for the lifestyle of the upper class. Of course, they claim it’s the lower class that creating all the problems. Your children (let’s hope that doesn’t happen) will be working for their entire lives paying for the hubris of the Rethuglicons.
You are an example of why the Rethuglicon party appeals to the lowest common denominator of society. You’re a bigot and a prime candidate for membership in the KKK, white supremacists, or neoNazis. You, sir, are the worst of the worst and very dangerous because you believe the trash you write.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Elrey Jones is living proof.
By frances cleland
November 21, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
And the rest of the story is this, the current GOP base is comprised of anti-intellectuals who, up to now, have seen their agendas carried forward by the party. These folks insist on seeing everything about this country in black or white (you’re either for the country or against it; Americans are always the good guys in white hats, everyone else is bad; anyone speaking with an accident is illegal; foreigners (Muslims in particular)are “jealous of our freedoms”; “I want my President to be someone I wouldn’t mind having a beer with”; the earth is 7 thousand years old; notwithstanding his presumed mid eastern origins, Jesus is white; notwithstanding what they profess to know about Jesus’ teachings, it’s perfectly acceptable and somehow in keeping with Christian principles to support the murder of those who do not look like us and to curse and ignore the poor, hungry and homeless. God blesses Americans to the exclusions of all others; every individual down on his luck or poor or unsuccessful is an underachieving loser, but corporate beggars are not.. and on and on). This mean spirited narrow mindedness and willful refusal to see things as they are is fueled by talk radio which keeps these folks invested in their ideas and beliefs which have only served to polarize the country and make it a laughingstock on the world stage. I see the coming upheavals with the economy, jobs and the financial markets as an opportunity for even greater introspection and change. The party that realizes first that the nation’s salvation lies in bridging the gaps between Americans so that our collective attention can be directed to the real problems we face will be the next big winner.
By Rob
November 21, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
The statistics are solid and probably provide some semblance of the truth. But as most statistics do, they show only a sliver of the truth while appearing to be the whole. For example, the assumption that the Republican Party can appeal to only white and married is a gross assumption that is the basis of the whole argument. That assumption would mean an overwhelmingly large majority of single or non-white people would vote only democratic. So if you are white and single you vote Dems. If you are black and married you vote dems. If you are hispanic and married you vote dems, etc.. Based on those stats, yea, only white and married is a shrinking group and admittedly because the white popluation is shrinking and the married population is shrinking at the same rate. Do all white married vote Republican? negative!
This election came down to three issues, Bush’s false basis for the Iraq invasion led most to justifiable lied to, the fact that one party had all the power (note the current situation as well) allowed that party to run out of control, and the economy stupid. This country is still center right in thinking. People said they wanted change but they really wanted the folks that had lost their way (the republicans in Washington) out of the way. I cannot believe anyone really wants to change to the problems that France or Germany have where there is no economic growth, or to Russia where there is no true freedom, or to China, where there is growth but at what costs.
Republican party is not dead much to the chagrine of the liberal side of america and the republican ideals are not dead either. It is the key hole approach of the liberals to state that republicanism is dead because it was racists and stupid that will be the liberal party’s ultimate undoing.
By Rob
November 21, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
The statistics are solid and probably provide some semblance of the truth. But as most statistics do, they show only a sliver of the truth while appearing to be the whole. For example, the assumption that the Republican Party can appeal to only white and married is a gross assumption that is the basis of the whole argument. That assumption would mean an overwhelmingly large majority of single or non-white people would vote only democratic. So if you are white and single you vote Dems. If you are black and married you vote dems. If you are hispanic and married you vote dems, etc.. Based on those stats, yea, only white and married is a shrinking group and admittedly because the white popluation is shrinking and the married population is shrinking at the same rate. Do all white married vote Republican? negative!
This election came down to three issues, Bush’s false basis for the Iraq invasion led most to justifiable lied to, the fact that one party had all the power (note the current situation as well) allowed that party to run out of control, and the economy stupid. This country is still center right in thinking. People said they wanted change but they really wanted the folks that had lost their way (the republicans in Washington) out of the way. I cannot believe anyone really wants to change to the problems that France or Germany have where there is no economic growth, or to Russia where there is no true freedom, or to China, where there is growth but at what costs.
Republican party is not dead much to the chagrine of the liberal side of america and the republican ideals are not dead either. It is the key hole approach of the liberals to state that republicanism is dead because it was racists and stupid that will be the liberal party’s ultimate undoing.
By Dino
November 21, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Let’s look at statistics:
Wall Street and the Dow is at its lowest level in 11 years (it went down after our Illustrious President-Elect Obama won and has not come back up since). Is it because American INVESTORS are scared of what direction this country is headed?
Yea,yea…I know…you are going to try and pin it on Bush again, but the fact is it is the DEMOCRATIC majority in CONGRESS that made this mess for us. The President (as any SANE person knows) signs bills, but the CONGRESS makes the laws/bills. Now, that the election is over the least you Liberals can do is admit this fact!
As for CHANGE….IF he wanted to make a CHANGE, why is he putting so many CLINTON retreads into Cabinet Posts? You know what CHANGE stands for? Clintons Have A New Grip on Everything!
By Syed Abid
November 21, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
I came to this country in 1972.i started voting in 1976.Since that time i never voted for any Democrat,just always party line even though i was unhappy with the way party was going .Religious fanatics took over the party .Hate became the message of the day.Fox became the part of the federal govt.People were having real problem and GOD was going to solve everything.If issue came up about health care our party has no solution except we have the best medical system and it does not matter 40 million people can not use the system.About 80% of american who declare bankcrupsy did that because they could not afford the medical bills.when scientist bring the subject of global warming dito head republican said its just junk science and on and on .senators congressmen getting arrested for sex scandlesand corruption.True it happens with dems too but we were suppose to be morally superior than them.I got thrown out of the party because my religion and color dont match.It is morally acceptable that SARAH PALIN daughter is pregnant but OBAMA middle name is unacceptable.It is acceptable to sign.a pact with IRAQI govt where american soldiers can b prosecutd by there laws put in there jail.Can u imagine if democratic president would have sign.something like that .Bulloreily Sean nitty and president of DIto head would have gone mad.The tent of this party getting smaller eveyday.This party has to form alliance with KKK in south to barely survive.I am happy i am not part of it any more.
By Call it Like it is
November 21, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Hey Syed Abid where are you getting your facts?
Here is the truth: The Republican Party seemes to always get the blame on being racists, and people who hate Gays. When the truth of the matter is, it is the other way around. Dem Congressmen making jokes about Blacks in the White House, former KKK member, Robert Byrd who is a Democrat, Harry Reid making comments about people in his own district being Red Necks, and Obama’s associations with Rev Wright (Racist), Louis Farrakahan (Racist), & Bill Ayers (Terrorist), and yet, there is no outcry from the media and the public about these associations or remarks.
Finally, it was the Republican Party that got the Civil Rights Act 1964 passed, not the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has done noting for Blacks or any other minority for 50 years except keep them government dependent.
Therefore, we are still waiting for this great good change from Robin Hood the New Socialist Party while Wall Street is still panicking.
I’m still glad I’m part of a party that does not want to raise taxes, spread the wealth, and supports our military and not bash it!
Enough Said!
By Dr. R
November 21, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
We can see in here the anger that losing power inspires in the old white majority. I’m an old white guy who used to vote Repub (still won’t vote Democratic) but I’m ready to give someone else a chance to run the country. Politics should be like the swings at recess; take turns. What better way to make young people and minorities feel empowered to take part in their country’s governance? I saw a video after Obama’s election of young people from GSU celebrating in the streets of Atlanta, and they were cheering “USA! USA!” If this new trend is going to spark a wave of patriotism in a new generation, then I welcome it. The angry old crackers who just can’t deal with it have a couple of choices: They can accept it or they can hunker down into their little bunkers and preach to the choir until none of them are left. And for those of you who will claim that Obama is not “my president,” those of us who love our country more than party or ideology would be happy to give you a ride to the airport.
By jas
November 21, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Sorry Jay, our base is growing. Move to N. Korea.
By LD
November 21, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Would the voting demographics change if minorities came to the realization that even though they vote en masse for democrats over and over again their situation never changes? Education doesn’t get better, inner city life doesn’t get better, they don’t get any more money in the pocket than they do now. They’re being told by the media the democrats are the ones that care, but considering their circumstances don’t change that’s bound to run out some time.
But no question, Republicans have problems. Their message is mixed depending on which Republican is in front of the cameras, its not made with the same force democrats in unison make their arguements, the media largely ignore the positives of Conservative principles (which America has voted for both nationally and locally repeatedly in the last 30 years since the liberal ‘Great Society’, the antithesis of the free economy and self-reliance, was enacted to allegedly help minorities) and instead demogauge Republican opposition to democrat policies as “extreme, racist, bigoted, anti-choice, anti-child, etc.” which causes emotional reactions instead of analysis and thought about what’s being said and proposed. Republicans in Congress laid down and let Pelosi and Reid tag them with the subprime mortgage collapse when anyone who does the research knows democrats set those policies up and defended them when Republicans wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie to keep them from cooking the books (which is what ended up happening). And now Republicans are facing an extremist liberal one-party rule across 2 of the 3 branches of government that is bound and determine to not only shift the economy wholy to government-dependent socialism, but rewrite the electoral map to guarantee the ‘permanent majority’ once hoped for by Karl Rove on the Conservative side. That’s the difference: Republicans talked about a permanent majority….this group of extremist democrats means to make it happen.
Once Republicans get a new blood in the party that wants to confront democrats head on and expouse the free-market, free-individual policies that had previously made this country a success and guaranteed EVERYONE the right to make themselves successful, they will find themselves back in power and America will be better for it. Either that, or people are going to get tired of the extremist liberal uber-regulated and highly taxed policies that are going to come out of Washington and vote the dem bums out just like the did the Republican bums.
By Bobby
November 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
None Of You Hillbilly Whites From The South Voted For Obama, So Don’t Take Credit For The Other Whites That Did. Now, A Comment, Then A Question. The Republican Party Was Once Filled With Anti Slavery Whites And Abolitionists, It Was The Democrat Party That Led The Nation In Hatred Of Blacks. LBJ Signed The Civil Rights Legislation In To Law In 1964, He Was A Democrat. Afterwards He Made The Statement That The Democrats Had Given The South To The Republicans, Because The White South Would Not Support A Party That Supports Voting Rights For Blacks(He Was Right). One Thing I Have Learned By Living In This Country Is That White Southerners Are Viewed By Other Whites As Ignorant,Stupid Racists. They See You Guys As Pickup Truck Driving, Confererate Flag Waving, Barefooted, Tobacco Chewing, No Shirt Wearing, Snuff Dipping,Inbred, NASCAR Loving, Backwoods, Missing Teeth,Moonshine Drinking,Uneducated, Country Music Loving, Pickup Truck Driving, Shotgun Carrying, Dimwits. Having Said All Of That, Here’s Two Questions. Why Is It That Southern Local News Anchors Are Told To Lose Their Southern Accent If They Want To Be On Local Southern Television? Also When Will The Day Come That A White Southern Person, Complete With The Hillbilly Accent And Everything Else, Win The Republican Parties Nomination For President? I Predict Never, Because The Republican Party Is Controlled By Northern, Northeast And To A Lesser Extent, Western, Money Barons, And There Is Simply No Way In Hell They Will Allow One Of You To Represent Their Party. They Can Always Count On You For Your Vote, But They Want Nothing Else To Do With You. McCain/Palin, W. Bush/Cheney, H.W. Bush/Quale, Reagan/Bush,Dole, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon,Eisenhower..No Southern White Males Anywhere To Be Found. There Never Will Be.The Real Republicans Would Never Allow It. They Take You For Granted. Wake Up. America Has Changed And Is Leaving You Guys Behind. Florida Is Not A Southern State, By The Way. You Guys Want To Claim It, But It Is Not. Mississippi, Yes, & Georgia Yes. Florida? No. Sorry. Obama And All Of The Americans That Voted For Him, Just(Indirectly) Changed The Republican Party As We Know It. Couldn’t Happen To A Better Bunch. Thank You.
By Amy in the ATL
November 21, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
The GOP will be back, based on history. One party rule doesn’t usually work all that well (witness 2000-2006 for an example) and the American populace usually tends towards the middle, rather than Center-Right as the GOP claims.
But how long they will be in exile and how strong their comeback will be will largely depend on how the Democrats manage their current position and whether or not the leaders of the GOP can successfully shift their party back to more Center-Right ideas.
The Bush presidency was, by and large, extremely right wing. Had 9/11 not happened, I doubt that W would have been re-elected in 2004, since many of his positions (global warming, anti-abortion, litmus tests for judges, Iraq war, etc) were not then, nor are now, in line with moderate America.
And while McCain has much more centrist credentials than the vast majority of his party, even he couldn’t get past the negative GOP brand. But that doesn’t mean that a more centrist GOP won’t make inroads in 2010 or 2012. They definitely could, especially if they return to their fiscally conservative, pragmatic roots. But if Obama is able to lead the Democrats into pushing thoughtful, centrist policies, and the GOP continues to pander to extreme right wing social conservatives, then they’re going to be out of the game for quite a while. The vast majority of my friends who voted for Bush in 2004 deeply regret doing so.
By Call it Like it is
November 21, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Thanks Bobby since you speak for most Whites in America.
NOT!