Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

February 5, 2007 08:24 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

I apologize for my many vices…those that I have enjoyed and those that I have only wanted to enjoy.

I apologize for my tendency to laziness and procrastination, and I am determined to begin to work to improve those flaws…tomorrow.

I only partially apologize to my son-in-law. For while his life will be challenging, it will NEVER be boring!

I apologize for my headstrong stubbornness, my steadfast closed-mindedness, and having made up my mind despite the facts…even though I have more often been right than wrong!

I apologize for my rudeness…even to Teddy Kennedy and Georgie Bush…despite the fact that they deserve it.

I apologize for my ignorance, prejudice, and bigotry…even though I have worked a life-time to eradicate them.

Finally, I apologize to my philosophical adversaries…for I am NOT likely to change.

By jbmlaw

February 5, 2007 08:28 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. While I generally deem meaningless and empty apologies abhorrent, I support them in the cases of the Congress or with Legislatures – such foolishness precludes other, more destructive actions by those nearly-worthless bodies. If the legislature wants to apologize to Mary Lincoln for the unpleasantness at “Our American Cousin,” or to Adolph Hitler for allied bombing at Dresden, why not? Serves no purpose, but costs nothing other than the time of our overlords.

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 08:41 AM | Link to this

Jim Wooten,

Have you even peeked at your own blog lately?

Time to take out the trash.

By holdingAJCaccountable

February 5, 2007 08:52 AM | Link to this

I mentioned school discipline the day after an education topic (as conservatives seem very hypocritical in this area). You’d have thought (to pay homage to jbmlaw, who takes the time to note others’ posts) that I had been the one to bomb Dresden

Where are all those blogger police now with this Rosie and the Donald saga concerning the Danes?

Re: “The other is that people should be aware of history so they don’t repeat its mistakes” An apology seems like a relatively harmless way to make us aware so you don’t repeat it.

But conservatives be careful what you wish for: If you don’t want to waste time with a “meaningless apology” don’t be surprised if you’re setting the stage for a taxpayer supported meaningful monument.

By Jim Wooten

February 5, 2007 08:53 AM | Link to this

Morning all. To the newcomer who posts material unsuitable for dinner-table conversation: Stop. Contribute constructively or bid us farewell.

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 08:53 AM | Link to this

Hi Jim,

Is this some kind of roundabout way of saying that Bush & Co. shouldn’t have to apologize for getting this country into the biggest geo-political blunder of our times?

It’s all about Bush’s legacy isn’t it?

By Seriously

February 5, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this

“One man’s crusade serves the useful purpose of reminding us that policy decisions, even those thought at the time to serve some desirable public purpose, can have harmful consequences. They were wrong. Don’t repeat the mistake. Do apologies matter? Not when made for the dead to the dead.”

The moral of the story……President Bush needs to apologize for the Iraq war before he dies.

By Curious Observer

February 5, 2007 08:59 AM | Link to this

I agree that post-facto state or national apologies are meaningless. We may as a nation apologize to the Japanese nissei who were put in concentration camps during World War II, but that does nothing to erase the incarceration. And those who think that apologies or reparations to those whose ancestors suffered slavery are efficacious are sadly mistaken.

For once, let me agree with Buy Danish. It’s time to ban the off-color jokes that have appeared on this blog for several days now. They contribute nothing to the discourse except to emphasize the low state of education and culture prevailing in this state. Juveniles should be in school, not visiting a blog.

By holdingAJCaccountable

February 5, 2007 09:00 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I have no idea if I’d agree with you on the issues. And I’m not one for censoring blogs. But the last two days is the “exception that proves the rule”.

Unless you said something blasphemous like “Vince Dooley couldn’t carry Chan Gailey’s clipboard” I can’t what warrants the sheer volume of posts, that don’t seem to relate to any issue.

Why doesn’t this person have the courage of their convictions to slam you on issues if they are taking such “issue” with your presence?

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 09:05 AM | Link to this

Jim Wooten,

Newcomer? I rather doubt it.

By getalife

February 5, 2007 09:10 AM | Link to this

I apologize for picking da Bears. I was wrong.

See it is not that hard to say you were wrong.

No mention of the biggest disaster in Iraq.

They were wrong. Don’t repeat the mistake. Do apologies matter? Not when made for the dead to the dead.

I agree and w blaming Iran for Iraq is intellectual cowardice.

The buck stops with w. Period.

By Jeff

February 5, 2007 09:20 AM | Link to this

A couple of lessons from eugenics:

a) The people that originally supported it were the elite… of ALL political spectrums.

b) These people honestly thought they were acting in the “best interest”.

This leads to an observation:

Why do we trust the elite to act in the “best interest”? We NEED STRICT term limits and a complete ban on lobbying - at ALL levels. Give ALL offices a 4 year term - stagger them if you must - with only one possible reelection bid. (The current terms for Presidential term limits are VERY close to what I have in mind.)

Then our Grand Experiment we call Democracy will be much more in line with what Jefferson originally dreamed - a controlled, peaceful revolution every few years.

By Van

February 5, 2007 09:26 AM | Link to this

Jim’s an Apologist,

Should Congress apologize for giving the President the power to go to war and funds to run it?

When will the pig headed radical Islamics apologize for the attacks against the US?

By harold

February 5, 2007 09:38 AM | Link to this

lots of people voluntarily undergo sterilization. if these retarded people were not mentally capable of making their own decision to be sterilized, republicans should have no problem making this decision for them

terry schiavo comes to mind. she was not capable of making her own decisions, but the state sure didnt mind trying to make decisions for her contrary to her husband’s and reportedly her own wishes

so, for as long as Sunni the Religious Right Wacko is our Governor, line the retards up and snip em! Let’s get that factory’s production ramped back up to pre-WWII levels!!!

Let’s have veterinarians do this (since they are just retards they are almost like dumb monkeys) as supplemental income and then require participating veterinarians to snip our house pets for free!

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 09:38 AM | Link to this

Why doesn’t this person have the courage of their convictions to slam you on issues if they are taking such “issue” with your presence?

Holding AJC accountable,

Because they are Useless Idiot liberals and they can’t.

It doesn’t help that the AJC appeases them with their feckless warnings which are kind of like threatening to throw a tomato at Ahamadinijead if he doesn’t behave.

By Seriously

February 5, 2007 09:42 AM | Link to this

Van some in Congress are starting to apologize for their role in the Iraq war. Take Republican Dick Armey for example. Here’s what he recently said….

Q: You voted for the resolution to go to war.

A: I did, and I’m not happy about it. The resolution was a resolution that authorized the president to take that action if he deemed it necessary. Had I been more true to myself and the principles I believed in at the time, I would have openly opposed the whole adventure vocally and aggressively. I had a tough time reconciling doing that against the duties of majority leader in the House. I would have served myself and my party and my country better, though, had I done so.

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 09:44 AM | Link to this

Newcomer?

tftt has been around as long as I’ve been reading this.

By harold

February 5, 2007 09:47 AM | Link to this

the “pig headed radical Islamics [will] apologize for the attacks against the US” right after the united states government apologizes for allowing swimming pools to kills us at an alarming rate

about 2000 people die each year in the united states from drowning in the swimming pools

in the UK it’s only about 15 people each year.

No, the popluation of the USA is NOT 133 times the population of the UK. the US popluation isa bout 5 times that of the UK, so we should have about 75 deaths each year from pools if our government is as effective as theirs in keeping us safe from swimming pools

Why cant our government even keep us safe from swimming pools?

how can they keep us safe from terrorists when they can’t even protect us from stationary pools of water?????

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 09:51 AM | Link to this

Jim’s an apologist,

I don’t think its tftt, but it is not a newcomer, that is for darned sure.

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

How could it not be tftt?

That person routinely uses some of the most offensive, aggressive and deragatory language on this blog.

By Van

February 5, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Seriously,

Last time I checked Dick Armey was not in Congress and hasn’t been for a couple of years.

When will Hillary apologize for her war stance, when will Teddy boy apologize for his NCLB Act and his depletion of liquor in the North East. When will Bill apologize for lying under oath?

We can all play the blame game and apologies when sincere are appreciated. Empty apologies are as empty as a politicians promise and smell just as bad.

The over use of apologies has lessened the value of a real one. After a while they all sound the same and it is harder to pick out a real one.

By mark

February 5, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

“The emptiness of that gesture is matched by the ‘I take responsibility’ mea culpa that comes without penalty — former U.S. Atty. Gen. Janet Reno for the Branch Davidian disaster being among the most noteworthy.” — You’re kidding, right? You had to go back to the Clinton administration to find an empty verbal gesture? How about George Bush’s recent ‘I take responsibility’ comments about the debalce in Iraq. 3,000-plus American soldiers dead. 100,000-plus Iraqis dead. Almost $1 trillion spent. Bush couldn’t make a more emtpy gesture than saying he takes responsibility for this national nightmare that will be having repercussions for decades.

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Jim’s an apologist,

I would put my money on someone of a more liberal persuasion. tftt’s writing style is very different and he’s not a serial joke teller.

Curious Observer,

This is not the fault of Georgia’s schools. It’s the fault of liberalism which infantilizes people.

By @@

February 5, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Oops! Here I am again Jim, sticking my “self-bannished” nose into your site…but sometimes your topics are “too good” to resist.

“Unintended consequences” are the realities that should provoke thought and action.

Apologies are just empty vessels; commas that need to be filled with an exclamation point ending a profound statement of wrong-doing.

Unfortunately, for every reader here, an “unintended consequence” of your site is the “disgusting jokester”, one of those fools that just has to say something, whereas a “wise man” has something to say.

Buy Danish is right…”the jokester” is a “comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, chameleon.”

A leftist from ml’s site, who knows he/she is a loser and needs to retaliate in the most childish way. They’ll obviously waste the better part of their life doing so.

But then, a better part, doesn’t seem to exist for them, so…..

Sad!!!!!

By DebbieDoRight

February 5, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

When will Bill apologize for lying under oath

He already did. I will however apologize for Dubya — I feel it necessary to do so since his mother won’t.

By holdingAJCaccountable

February 5, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Re: It doesn’t help that the AJC appeases them with their feckless warnings which are kind of like threatening to throw a tomato at Ahamadinijead if he doesn’t behave.

Be careful. If you throw an “irradiated” tomato at him, you’ll becaused of launching a dirty bomb.

Thanks for explaining…me I’m more of an useful idiot liberal (not really liberal, but dismayed why conservatives these days don’t endorse conservative principles) Ex: Less federal involvement in education = NCLB does not seem like a true equation for starters…

By MarkP

February 5, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

The standard collective response by the priveleged class — to which I belong — is that those damaged by past misdeeds should simply “get over it.” The claim is that the deed, once stopped, has no ongoing effects. In the examples cited by Mr. Wooten, this is a troubling argument as the effects last several generations, indeed no one could claim that the atrocities against blacks in various parts of the 20th century weren’t linked to slavery, and sterilization has had a direct effect on family makeup for the descendants of those affected. What is even stranger, however, is how quickly those in the priveleged class want any relatively miinor inconveniences placed against themselves rectified (affirmative action, taxes for social programs, etc.) We’ve all heard the complaints that go “my friend scored 100% on the civil service exam / police academy tests (etc.) and they were passed over for a less qualified black candidate instead because of affirmative action.” Here’s an easy response: “Get over it.” Other groups have lived for decades facing comparitively obscene societal, which apparently are very easy to overcome, or at least Mr. Wooten and his fans would have us believe.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Jim Wooten wrote; “I’m with Cooper. One man’s crusade serves the useful purpose of reminding us that policy decisions, even those thought at the time to serve some desirable public purpose, can have harmful consequences. They were wrong. Don’t repeat the mistake. Do apologies matter? Not when made for the dead to the dead.”

That leaves us with apologies from the living to the living.

I wonder if we could have some apologies from the media and those who work for it for their intentional supporting of the lies that led up to the Iraq war and the lies, in the face of obvious evidence to the contary, that have sustained it.

The right apologies do matter.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Bill

February 5, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

The past is never dead. It’s not even past — Wm. Faulkner

By jim d

February 5, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

WHO REALLY CARES?

Next subject please!

By jim d

February 5, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

I think we should appologize right after we get one from everyone that voted for the shrub.

By Van

February 5, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Apologies offered in todays world tend to be either a feel good measure by the person offering the apology and therefore have a self-gratifying purpose and are empty. The second is the apology that is used to escape responsibility, which will never happen. Has anyone noticed all the apologizing done by Democrats?

The only real apology is when a person apologizes to another person. Apologies to groups are as useful as spare bicycle tires on the space shuttle, it might be nice to have, but has no purpose or function.

By jbmlaw

February 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Attention Leftists, if my words earlier were misconstrued as urging apologies by or for President Bush, you are as confused as usual. No one should ever apologize for doing the right thing. Invading Iraq, to destroy the Islamists, was and is a good strategy. If only we had the national will to win. Unfortunately we have a fifth column determined to turn a military win into a political loss, and strictly for partisan domestic political reasons.

I respect Russ Feingold - he opposed from the beginning and has been consistent. He is the only one in opposition whom I respect. The rest of those jerks are fair weather patriots, willing to allow President Bush to do the heavy lifting only when it is politically popular.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Jim D. wrote ” Has anyone noticed all the apologizing done by Democrats?”

Yes, and especially those Republicans who are now facing re-election.

Sen.Chamblis is sitting on the fence, playing the political game and waiting to see which way the wind is going to blow. What’s new?

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Holding AJC accountable,

As long as federal tax dollars are being spent on education, the federal government has a role in education, and accountablility is a reasonable and necessary element of that role.

Expecting results and not just relying on good intentions is a core conservative principle.

NCLB is working, despite the endless griping. When you have liberals squawking about the Bush economy, it’s hard to take them seriously about their endless laundry lists of complaints.

Consider this my last post until I am satisfied that the AJC has taken out the trash.

By Van

February 5, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Dennis,

There is one group that I think needs an apology from the AJC. Our folks in uniform. The AJC has not been very supportive of these fine people. The lefties still see the military as the enemy, bombing “innocent” terrorists and shooting peaceful insurgents. The left did not like people in uniform 40 years ago and still don’t today.

BTW AJC, where is my apology from the left for my welcome back to state side?

By JoeD

February 5, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Wow, so now we know the problem in Iraq. We don’t have the national will to win. Thanks for clearing that up. It thought it was because we had no plan for how to secure the peace and not enough troops on the ground and total lack of understanding as to what it would take to make Iraq a strong, independent nation. Oh, and that the people didn’t greet us as liberators. I’m glad to know I was wrong and that the lack of a national will to win was the problem all along. I feel much better now. I just thought Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Co. didn’t know what the heck they were doing. My bad.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw said, “Invading Iraq, to destroy the Islamists, was and is a good strategy.”

Careful, you’re about to lose another case.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By RC

February 5, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

There are a lot of sorry people in the world. Each and every one of you is known to the rest of us. It is not necessary to personally tell us that you are sorry. We already know. Thank you for your consideration.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Van said, “The lefties still see the military as the enemy, bombing “innocent” terrorists and shooting peaceful insurgents.”

Let me disagree with you. Inspite of the wrongs by a few, the left knows the military is not the “enemy”. I think most of the right know that as well.

Just like the right knows that not supporting Bush and not supporting the troop are two totally different issues.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By holdingAJCaccountable

February 5, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: Re “Expecting results and not just relying on good intentions is a core conservative principle.”

Are not “rule of law” and “personal responsibility” core conservative principles? Then why have conservatives done nothing to address that teachers are not getting the systemic support they need to enforce student accountability on behavior? If you aren’t holding them accountable for behavior, you sure aren’t holding them accountable for learning (you’re just blaming “the schools” because they are an easy target).

When the U.S. Dept. of Educations own stats show 148,000 teachers assaulted annually, discipline is out of control.

When 1/3 of all new teachers leave within five years due to lack of support, discipline is out of control.

If students are not held accountable for “rule of law” and “personal responsibility” in their actions, they cannot, by logical definition, be held accountable for learning.

But conservatives have not addressed this? Why? (And please don’t say the “persistently dangerous schools” addresses anything. First, because there are no real sanctions for misreporting numbers, it gets everything swept under the rug? Second, the “standards” are so weak, Baghdad High wouldn’t be considered “dangerous”)

Buy Danish, I hope they rid the blog of the miscreants so you can address this, because I’ve yet to see a single conservative on this blog do so…

By Jeff

February 5, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

BD @ 11:58:

NCLB is NOT working. I SAW results on CRCT/EOCT. The numbers just don’t jive.

What is happening - and remember, I saw this with my own two eyes - is that the “pass scores” are being LOWERED to the point of meaningless nothing. The current “pass score” on MOST CRCTs in this state hovers around a 55%.

PASSING GRADES IN THE MAJORITY OF THIS STATE MEAN A STUDENT MUST EARN A 70%!!!! There are MANY systems with a system wide lowest grade available, normally set to 60% or higher. In other words, a student can LITERALLY sit in class and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING - or, worse yet, actively disrupt class - and STILL get a 60% on their report card, EVEN THOUGH NOT A SINGLE ASSIGNMENT was turned in!

The only reason you THINK NCLB is successful is do to the lowering of the pass scores. IT IS NOT BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY LEARNING MATERIAL!!!!

By techmite

February 5, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Bill Clinton was getting off Air Force One with a pig under each arm. At the bottom of the steps the military officer saluted and said, “nice pigs sir”. Clinton looked at him and said “I’ll have you know these are not just any ole pigs. They are Arkansas Razorbacks. Got one for Buy Danish and one for Dusty.” The military officer saluted smartly and said, “Good trade sir.”

By Redneck Convert

February 5, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Well, I just want to apologize to all libruls for hating them so much. But I can’t help it and I guess I’ll go on hating them. I’m real sorry I bashed that guy’s bumper with the “Nobody Died When Clinton Lied” sticker on it. But I ain’t too sorry.

Anyway the libruls are the ones that should get the snipping. They breed more libruls and we got too many as things is. You can bet my fambly won’t be raising up any libruls. I expect little Sonny Zell George to grow up thinking just like the fine people he was named after. I won’t be apologizing if the state passes a law that neuters libruls.

I stayed home from church yesterday. The Church of Holiness was bringing in something called a Black Mama from Africa for people to handle. We don’t need no furrin snakes. We already got furriners every where. They take our jobs and stay here against the law and nobody does anything about it. I figure it will serve old clinch-faced Sister Dusty right if she gets bit by that snake instead of handling regular copperheads and rattlers.

I watched the Rev. James Dobson on TV instead of going to church. He’s OK and he thinks the way I do on most things, only he won’t use the N-word the way our substatoot pastor does and the way the Revrend Jim Bob Buice did before he got sent off to prison on account of being found nekkid with that boy he was only trying to rescue.

Tell them new boys the jokes are real good. Us rednecks like them if other people don’t.

By tired

February 5, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

By holdingAJCaccountable:

I agree with your thoughts that teachers should have more support when it comes to students. But, I find it hard to make a parallel to conservatives when liberals are the ones saying don’t hurt Johnny’s feelings.

And now what are we seeing in Liberal Land, a vote on making sure a child is never scolded in public?

Thanks California

By Jeff

February 5, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this

Oh, another comment about CRCT:

The way it is graded is also misleading. (I admit that what I am about to say is pure speculation, but given the mindset of educrats and administration that I have personally dealt with, I would not put this past them.)

Take, for example, a 120 question 6th grade MATH CRCT (currently based on the new Georgia Performance Standards). Students, as a whole, score something like a 34% statewide average on the whole thing. Well, instead of publishing THAT grade, they’ll say “Let’s take the 61 questions that had the highest percentage of correctness.” The score bumps to MAYBE a 44%. Then they’ll say “Well, let’s take the best 29 of those questions.” The score gets to a 55%, which is what they consider “meeting expectations”. Even then, 45% of students have NOT “met expectations”, even though the test was actually graded on LESS THAN 25% of all questions!

It is a numbers game, pure and simple, and even a HS graduate from the pre-NCLB days could do this math. As is often said: “Statistics can make anyone believe anything.” I MUCH prefer the raw data, which shows GLARINGLY how bad NCLB is FAILING.

By tired

February 5, 2007 01:05 PM | Link to this

Redneck Convert

You’re a little scary today!

By MrLiberty

February 5, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Its not too late to appologize for the hundreds of thousands of Afghani and Iraqi lives that have been snuffed out by the war and the war criminal you continue to support. There are at least a few dozen million of you that own these poor folks an appology.

Or will we just have to wait a few generations until the group appology is given.

I’m disgusted enough that it was all done with my tax dollars. I shouldn’t have to appologize for your ignorance, blind loyalty to the king, or overt and despicable hatred of the constitution and bill of rights.

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

Van,

Saying that a group of people hate the military because of this ill-advised war effort is like saying you hate the employees of Home Depot because of Nardelli’s mis-management.

The soldiers just work there. It’s the policies that got them there and keep them there that I’m concerned with.

The object of administration supporters isn’t to debate the rationale or viability of the war - it’s to change the topic and distract folks from the reality. An easy way to do that is to use the soldiers as a political football, and accuse those who don’t support the administration of hating soldiers.

Folks who tend to listen to a.m. radio for their infotainment fall for that kind of thing.

By tired

February 5, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this

Mr Liberty:

Have you apologized tothe 3 million who died after the Liberals forced a pullout of Viet Nam.

I’ll wait for you apology. Or. do you need to take a poll to see if it benefits an election somewhere?

By Dusty

February 5, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight @ 10:28,

Save your apologies. Barbara Bush has no need to apologize for anything. She has supported her husband as Commander-in-Chief during wartime and now her son as Commander-in-Chief during wartime. She is proud to support her husband, her son, and her country during war time.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 01:37 PM | Link to this

This doltish wanker with the absurdly pompous and desperately misleading name ‘liberty’ needs to instantly STFU … its deranged lies and imbecilic Bush hate ranting are typical of most of these self absorbed snivelling libertarian turds who have been real busy abusing all the illegal drugs these disgustingly vapid little tw@ts want to legalise.

Don’t worry folks, it’s just really just another bollock brained leftist turd posing as a dumbassh!t libertarian. Wankers like liberty need to be forcibly deported/repatriated to Cuba, along with the treasonous likes of maggot brain and aborted foreskin.

My first ever post on my shiny new laptop, using my intel wireless card. Had to make it a good un!!

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

I see poor old crackpipe has been feverishly puffing away at its crackpipe again… its tired old pathetic Bush hate is as tedious as its slapper like bilious lies about Bush.

Bet crackpipe has already offered its professional services to the now hideously disgraced leftist lyncher Nifong!!

By Jeff Cranston

February 5, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

Apochryphally apolitical apologies are appallingly apoplexic. (applause, applause)

By Dusty

February 5, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this

Mr. Liberty and Jim’s an Apologists,

Why don’t you cut out that same old song and dance about supporting the troops but not the administration?

You have described our volunteer army as hired help. You decide in the middle of a war you want to discuss “the rationale and viability” of war.

A little late in the show for this discussion, don’t you think? How about a discussion of how our country is going to be when terrorists are HERE killing us by the thousands if not millions? Did you think throwing them Iraq is going to satisfy their desire to kill Americans, the infidels?

Would you welcome them here with open arms saying you oppose violence? Just wondering how far into the future you have the ability to see.

The present administration is trying to keep such a future from happening to us as in USA. It is a tough battle. The going is difficult. Why don’t you try at least a LITTLE support for those trying to protect us?

By TruDat

February 5, 2007 01:46 PM | Link to this

Hip Hop exist because we forgot to apologize for slavery

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 01:53 PM | Link to this

Normal behaviour is quietly and relentlessly resuming in NOLA … and the corrupt, worthless chocolate city mayor could care less … nor do shrill racial spoils motor mouths like Jackasson or Sharptongue. I say cut off ALL federal aid until they actually and properly crackdown on the unbelievable, out of control level of violent black (on black) crime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/us/05crime.html?ei=5090&en=3fa9f5e76ffadba7&ex=1328331600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

By Chazman

February 5, 2007 01:54 PM | Link to this

Wow. Time for the Trash actually used the word “hate” to descibe somebody else on here.

This, in her prior post just 5 minutes earlier, she used such terms as turd (real class!!), tw@ts, dumbasssh!t, Oh and let’s not forget she told another to STFU.

As Wooten stated on here earlier - To the newcomer who posts material unsuitable for dinner-table conversation: Stop. Contribute constructively or bid us farewell.

Hey Wooten, what about oldcomers?

By tired

February 5, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see the Radical Islam special? Very interesting how the moderates that we are communicating with sit there and say it’s ok to lie to us, we’re infidels.

Until they are on our doorstep, liberals will never listen.

You don’t have to be a blind liberal not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jm

February 5, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

Well, I think if nothing else, an empty and pointless apology is owed to General Shinseki, who was ridiculed into retirement for stating that several hundred thousand troops would be needed to secure Iraq.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

Hippetty Hop exists because blacks needed a way to legitimise (and massively profit from) gangsta behaviour/kulture. Cheers for the usual moronic racebaitIng bollocks though!

Meaningless apologies for events now thankfully nearly two centuries ago are merely cynical attempts to blackmail and extort even more billions from modern day folks who LITERALLY have bugger all to do with such a shameful history. Perhaps if the arabs and blacks in modern AfriKa who are still gleefully enslaving blacks today noisily apologised and actally stopped enslaving anyone - such bestial behaviour could finally be consigned to the dustbin of history.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 02:07 PM | Link to this

see how easy it is, whilst being factual, to get sad wankers like crapman to bite … and so quickly too!!

funny how the as ever intellectually dishonest crapman smugly and utterly ignores the usual robotic leftist Bush hate!!

bugger off crapman - and stop posting until you can actually address ALL the liberal hate on here!!

By Jeff Cranston

February 5, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this

God rained on our superbowl so much that the halftime show was The Prince of Tides.

By KP

February 5, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this

“New” laptop with a wireless “card”? You gotta be just joking…

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 02:17 PM | Link to this

KP

that’s what the third world chappie at my IP tech support line told me it was … some wireless card.

By Jeff Cranston

February 5, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

An Act of Contrition is an apology to God. Would God ever apologize to a man? Nobody asked to be born. Knowing you will die is a cruel torture. Is judgement day really going to be just an apology to the living and the dead? The fact that we exist means that there was no other way for creation to have occurred. The Hell-bound could be just the collateral damage of a larger destiny.

God on your eternity in hell: “Sorry, man”. (Camera to God, eyes askance, subtle shoulder shrug).

But I thought God means never having to say your sorry?

By KP

February 5, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

TFTT…gotcha…I may be wrong..but its probably integrated. Did you get the bluetooth capability?

By jbmlaw

February 5, 2007 02:38 PM | Link to this

Dear Jeff @ 2:26, you surely mis-wrote. I thought the left view was that living was a cruel torture, and that abortion and euthanasia were to be celebrated?

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

KP

yes it is integrated - I also got the integrated bluetooth capability, and a free copy of home premium windows vista to be posted to me if I ever want it. now ALL my XP software works, which it wouldn’t with vista and I saved $300 by simply not getting a new vista notebook. I also now have 3 computers at home with a super fast dsl connection, for the price of two.

By Jeff Cranston

February 5, 2007 02:49 PM | Link to this

What about the genetically unapologetic?

By Jeff Cranston

February 5, 2007 02:54 PM | Link to this

On the face of an apology.

On the face of an apology is a sneer; an apologist seeks only to avoid the consequences of his fault.

No apology could ever be sincere, for if it were, would not that mean that the apologist was begging for reprisal?

Be weary of the apology delivered with applomb.

By The Good Life Long Gone

February 5, 2007 03:10 PM | Link to this

An apology is only as effective as the recievers willingness to accept it.

Some dont want apologies. They want governemnt grants, trusts, settlements, 40 acres and mule, retribution, reckoning, and plain old revenge.

What a sad way to spend ones hard earned freedom.

And on that note, I apologize to no one, accept to my offspring who must now try to live in this crime ridden filthy country.

By Ga Liberal

February 5, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

Wooten just can’t get it right no matter how he spins things. This is prototypical conservative flawed logic: since eveyone is dead it doesn’t matter. In fact, not everyone is dead and it does matter. What about the relatives of these victims? They don’t deserve an apology? This is like saying that because the murder victim is dead, the murder doesn’t need to apologize. The apology goes further than just ‘I’m sorry.’ It goes to taking responsibilty for a wrong act irrespective if the victim(s) are dead. Society as a whole needs to know this was a wrong act and take responsibility. Do Jews whos relatives were killed by the millions not deserve an apology? Given Wooten’s logic - and that of a top Republican legislator - no so let them eat cake. I haven’t and won’t vote for Republicans because they are completely clueless to the suffer of others. This is a prime example. If it doesn’t affect them directly, hell with it. Compassionate conservatives my a**.

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Me suggesting that there’s a difference between disapproving of an unpopular President taking over a country for no invalid reasons and “hating” troops isn’t nearly as tired as your assertion those two things are linked. In fact, equating dissent with a lack of patriotism is as un-American as it gets.

My plan would have been to focus on Afghanistan and invest in the defense of this country.

A few ideas that could work if the billions and billions blown in Iraq had been spent here at home:

Create incentive programs for high-school students to enroll in the Coast-Guard/National Guard for 3-5 year stints - or as career service members.

Greatly enhance the visibility & scope of Coast Guard and National Guard security programs.

Provide governmental incentives for private enterprise to aid in the development and deployment of container ship tracking and monitoring.

Set security benchmarks for nuclear and chemical companies.

Increase the pay for full-time entry level military service people so that it’s a reasonable career option.

Invest in the funding of research for alternative fuel initiatives.

You know…common sense stuff.

Could bad guys still set off a dirty bomb in St. Louis? Sure.

But I bet the odds of that happening are greater if we go over there and kill hundreds of thousands of bystanders than if we get our act together over here and conduct ourselves in an admirable manner. All we’re doing is giving a whole generation of people with no real reason to hate us a very real reason to hate us - and execute on it.

Bush took the uniform goodwill of the world in the wake of 9/11 and turned it around. He blew it.

George Bush did that. Not Bill Clinton. Not Hillary Clinton. Not Ted Kennedy, John Kerry or any of those other idiots up there.

George Bush did it.

Or, as G. Gordon Liddy might say: snafu.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

By Dusty February 5, 2007 01:45 PM said; “How about a discussion of how our country is going to be when terrorists are HERE killing us by the thousands if not millions?”

When will that be? Discuss away.

“Did you think throwing them Iraq is going to satisfy their desire to kill Americans, the infidels?”

If anyone threw Iraq to the terorists, it was George W. Bush.

As to throwing Iraq away to keep the terrorist at bay, your government would do that in a minute. Check your American history.

The terrorists in Iraq were limited to Saddam and Sons until Bush upset the status quo. Now look at it. Do you feel safer now that it’s overrun with one side or the other killing American soldiers simply because you have a president willing to sacrifice even more of our military to cover his big a* mistakes? And his war crimes.

How many more American soldiers do you want to sacrifice, 58,000 lives plus the thousands and thousands wounded?

Your president, on his best day, could not intelligently explain “the rationale and viability” of war in Iraq. Nor in Iran.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 03:28 PM | Link to this

KP—The Paki on the phone so graciously informed me of my new HP’s capabilities in downloading salacious schiezer films due to its superior processor. Now I gleefully and shamelessly wank myself in public whilst hideously sullen and glib leftist wankers continue with their perpetual and pathetic bleating…

Shhh…after waiting ever so eagerly my schiezer film gloriously commences…

twist…pull…twist…pull…shiezer…twist…pull…leftist bleating…twist…pull…AAHHHHH!!!!

huge I love deviant German porn SMIRK!!

By Jeff

February 5, 2007 03:34 PM | Link to this

JAA:

The reason you don’t see them dieing in car(or plane) bombs here? They’re too busy doing that or getting NATO-standard 5.56 forcefully placed in them over there.

The choice in that matter is clear: engage the enemy AWAY from the American populace to ensure their safety, or setup Big Brother level defensive barriers ehre, thus stripping us of everything we hold dear…

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 03:42 PM | Link to this

I see the execrable aborted foreskin is back to its turgid anal obsessive cyber stalking!!

Jolly well done indeed lice ridden fookstick!!

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

or setup Big Brother level defensive barriers

Do you mean like warrantless wiretaps and extraordinary rendition?

Because if that’s what you me, we got that already.

Attacking other countries for reasons of self defense is the height of paranoia and goes against our very being. If you’ll recall, that’s why Hitler invaded Poland and it’s why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

By Spiritraveller

February 5, 2007 03:47 PM | Link to this

1970 was not that long ago. How can you be so sure that there are no survivors?

By holdingAJCaccountable

February 5, 2007 03:47 PM | Link to this

Jeff,

I see no one responded to your post…basically you’re right. Terry Schiavo could pass the CRCT…today

The biggest federal government intrusion into education in our history; nothing to address the total lack of accountability on “the rule of law” or “personal repsonsibility” when it comes to giving teachers the authority to establish the learning environment best suited to learning; no “accountability” on the part of administrators who don’t follow through on discipline.

Seems when you talk about education, and the how NCLB is lacking in “true conservative principles” conservatives seem to (hate to use this phrase) “cut and run”.

By Brian Curtis

February 5, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

“Me suggesting that there’s a difference between disapproving of an unpopular President taking over a country for no invalid reasons and “hating” troops isn’t nearly as tired as your assertion those two things are linked. In fact, equating dissent with a lack of patriotism is as un-American as it gets.”

Apologist: Give Dusty a break, it’s the only argument she knows. And she repeats it day after day, hoping someone will eventually believe her and stop bringing up all those facts that make her so unhappy.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 03:53 PM | Link to this

Watch as I gleefully goad resident leftist nutters such as maggot brain and aborted foreskin on one window whilst I feverishly observe Helga squatting over Helmut on the other open window. My superior HP laptop’s technological capabilities gloriously induces yours truly to desperately shed my inhibitions and shamelessly wank myself in this dodgy cybercafe.

Here it comes…Helga laboriously squeezes one onto the eager face of Helmut…twist…pull…twist…pull…twist…AAHHHH!

HUGE i’ve vaingloriously wanked myself twice in one sitting SMIRK!!

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 03:59 PM | Link to this

the obsessive rabid anal stalker sure is biting superbly!!

I thought you’d killed yourself in mutant sympathy with Iraq’s Soddom Insane wankpig!! What the hell went wrong?

By Curious Observer

February 5, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

I’m sure we are all delighted that the deranged TFTT has a third PC with which to hurl her venom. O for a gifted protologist to insert said PCs painfully in the proper place!

By Dusty

February 5, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

Apologist and Dennis,

First, cut the propaganda. We did not invade “innocent” countries for no good reason. We had good reasons which were believed and understood by our country and the UK (which has been repeated many times).

We do not “occupy” Iraq or Afghanistan. Both have their own governments and we are anxious for honorable departures.

President Bush was elected by Americans who wanted him to be president, TWICE. If the hardships of war have lowered that preference, it is not surprising. Churchill was not appreciated even after the victory of WWII. Hard times are hard to forget.

You do not help win the war in Iraq by not supporting those who lead us. That may be your freedom of speech but it is also music to the ears of our enemies. The troops hear it too. You call that support?

These are obvious conclusions whether you want to believe it or not.

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this

I see that the sad turdburglar curious peeping tom can’t even spell the type of new doctor he is now happily utterly dependent on … I trust he lets you down at least as badly as the unhinged eco-whacko alBore and cowardly band aid warrior gigilo Kerry did!!

By time for the truth

February 5, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

pinko observer

It’s freaking hilarious how instinctively you bite as I gently goad you!! Although it’s blindingly obvious that my shiny new HP suits my fiendish need for gleefully watching schizer porn leftist wankpigs such as yourself remain criminally oblivious.

Watch as I feverishly utilize the infinite amount of available RAM on my new PC whilst I wank ever so joyfully to Helga squatting over Helmut…twist…pull…twist…schizer!!…twist…pull…AHHHH!!

By Jim's an Apologist

February 5, 2007 04:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

GW’s approval rating is around 32 percent. Do you call that support?

The American people just gave the Republicans a “thumping” and turned over control of congress to the Democrats. Do you call that support?

Corruption in Iraq by American and Iraqi interests is wasting billions and billions of dollars. Do you call that support?

Gerald Ford called Bush’s decision to go to Iraq the “biggest strategic blunder in this country’s history”. Do you call that support?

Germany is seeking the arrest of dozens of CIA officials for kidnapping. Do you call that support?

Tony Blair has all but had to resign. Do you call that support?

Kofi Annan said that his biggest failure (in a tenure rife with failure) was standing by while we invaded Iraq. Do you call that support?

An American head of state did not give an address at Davos this year for the first time in history, and nobody cared. Do you call that support?

And while it’s easy to compare your’s and Bush’s paranoia with that of Hitler’s I hardly think you can compare the terrorists capabilities with that of Germany’s.

What are they going to do? Take over Macon? Occupy Chattanooga?

The most likely scenario involves blowing something up or breaking down a system like power or water. The best way to defend against that is to shore up those systems and increase our response capabilities over here (Katrina, anyone?. All we’re doing over there is making recruiting posters for Al Quaieda. We’re giving them a reason to hate us.

George Bush manufactured the evidence he used to make the case for war and now does not have the abiltiy to manage the situation he created. As any good businessman knows, there is a point in time when you cut your losses and quit throwing money (and in this case, lives) away. That’s not unpatriotic or shortsighted, it’s clear thinking.

By MrLiberty

February 5, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

Tired,

My position on Vietnam would have been the same as the position on Iraq was: No threat to us, no reason to be there.

Just think of how many millions that kind of reasoning would have saved in Vietnam.

A responsible foreign policy that promotes the exchange of capitol, goods, and services rather than one that favors militaristic solutions to problems is consistent with our nature as a republic, serves the public interest, and prevents the congressional-military-industrial complex from trampling our rights and freedoms at home in the name of fighting foreign ghosts abroad.

This is not isolationism, it is the responsible behavior of a republic (not an empire).

By Dusty

February 5, 2007 05:07 PM | Link to this

Jim’s an apologist,

Still throwing out the propaganda, I see. Bush did not “manufacture” any intelligence reports. Gerald Ford is dead. Tony Blair has been in office almost as long as George W. Bush. Kofi Annan lead the UN while it did nothing about Iraq for ten years. I don’t rely on polls or parties for my political decisions.

I see that President Bush has tough decisions to make that would be difficult for any president.

If the President’s decision are not good, they are not based on lies or corruption. Wars are not totally predictable and neither is the Middle East. With this in mind, I give him a chance to win at what he has undertaken. If Americans support him, we and he have a better chance of winning this war. It is not lost yet and I will not declare it so just to please your timidity. I will always maintain that freedom is worth fighting for.

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 05:33 PM | Link to this

Nuked for Brains,

You talking to me?

Little squirt rushncap,

Winston Churchill’s grandson, who knows a hell of a lot more about “human nature”, the Iraq War, and life in general than you, predicts that if the Brits in Parliament and the surrender monkey Americans in Congress get their way they would leave Iraq as a base for Al Qaeda’s terrorist camps, and in control of the oil fields.

You’ll pardon me for taking sides, but I’ll take Churchill’s advice over yours and your punk friends’ any day.

By jm

February 5, 2007 05:35 PM | Link to this

Dusty: All intelligence reports are manufactured, that is the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, the reports are only as good as the information they are based on. If you use bad information or worse omit information, you can quite easily come to the wrong conclusions. The Bush administration (and the Clinton administration and the UN) were so certain that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that they were unable to believe what their investigators were telling them.

As for Kofi Annan, the head of the UN is pretty powerless without approval from all five permanent members of the security council.

Tony Blair has been in office longer than George Bush.

As for freedom, I wonder how many iraqis are fighting us because we attacked, invaded and are occupying their country. You know, kind of how I would act if someone did the same thing here.

The iraqis did not attack us, Bin Laden and his cronies did. Then again, Bush only seems to remember Bin Laden when he needs a bogey man to trot out for an election.

By Dennis

February 5, 2007 05:35 PM | Link to this

Dusty said, “I don’t rely on polls or parties for my political decisions.”

What are the factors determining your position?

You count on your own wishful thinking?

Then you determined Bush’s telling the truth, his “sincerity”?

Let us in on the secret.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Buy Danish

February 5, 2007 05:48 PM | Link to this

That 5:33 is meant to be at Luckovichs.

Sorry for the error.

By Dusty

February 5, 2007 06:02 PM | Link to this

Dennis,

I have a mind of my own which doesn’t rely on political parties or polls to make my decisions. Doesn’t mean I don’t know what they say as well as news reports and writings. It means you live, learn and decide.

President Bush has not lied to us or to those in a court room. He has told us it would be tough times and it has been. He has told us we would recover from 9/11 and we have. He has defended us from terrorism and we have not had a large successful attack on us. He has helped the country recover from hurricanes. It has been very expensive and would be for any president. I have seen no duplicity in his decisions. All were not successful and difficulties are great in Iraq. War times are the most difficult of times and I am glad we have President Bush because he is a strong man. Therefore I support him in his efforts. I think he is all for this country.

By RW-(the original)

February 5, 2007 06:11 PM | Link to this

Jim,

Surely you don’t believe that a brand new filthy joke teller showed up at the same time the old one disappeared. That kind of naivety is generally a sign of Thinking Left not Right.