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DEL.ICIO.USOctuplets and all children deserve better
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The octuplets born to an unmarried woman in California are consequences of self-centeredness gone awry.
The woman, Nadya Suleman, had six children, all conceived with the help of a sperm-donor friend. The eight born last month grew from six implanted embryos, life created with friend-donated sperm.
She told NBC’s “Today” show that she wanted a large family because she felt alone as an only child. “All I wanted was children,” she said. “I wanted to be a mom. That’s all I ever wanted in my life. I love my children.”
At a minimum, the cost to a single mother of raising one child to age 18 is between $118,590 and $250,260, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The woman, injured while working at Metropolitan State Hospital in 1999, collected $165,000 in disability payments between 2002 and 2008. She told a workers’ comp judge in 2001 that she spent most of the day in bed and had been unable to care for her first child. But none of these financial details, regardless of how they affect her ability to provide for the needs of 14 children, are the concern here.
The outrage is that a narcissistic adult, for her own pleasure, intentionally brought 14 children into the world, children who will never know their father.
It was a conscious, medically assisted choice to have multiple births — a decision suggesting an impaired mental state that should have raised questions about her fitness as the primary adult female in the children’s lives.
The octuplets should be a wake-up call to the nation. It is child cruelty to inflict the suffering on human life that Suleman visits upon these 14 children.
A nation that pretends to cherish children allows them to be abused in the worst possible way — by casually denying them a mother and a father living together in marriage, each committed to the child’s welfare. Suleman has eight at once, but millions of children are coming into the world suffering the same fate.
In 1960, 5.3 percent of children were born to unmarried women. By 1970, it had doubled to 10.7 percent. In another decade, it was 18.4. By 1990, it was up to 28 percent. By 2005, it was up to 36.8, highest ever.
For whites, 25.4 percent of babies born in 2005 came into the world without married parents. For Hispanics, it’s 47.9. For blacks, it’s 69.5.
As Georgia Supreme Court Chief Justice Leah Ward Sears has noted, children born to unmarried women and to those in cohabiting relationships “must often overcome increased risks of poverty, education failure, child abuse, delinquency, emotional distress and mental illness.”
A single woman’s income is part of the reason, but the lack of a father’s guidance in children’s lives is a major cause of their suffering. “Marriage is the best child welfare, crime prevention, anti-poverty program we have,” Sears said in that same speech. The focus of all law and public policies really should be reoriented to children. They desperately need protection from self-centered adults who casually create life for reasons that are frivolous and self-indulgent.
Every child born to an unmarried woman should have a legal advocate appointed by the state to represent the child’s interest. A primary interest would be in holding both male and female adults financially liable.
In the case of the children born to Suleman, the legal advocate would file suit against the fertility clinic or a physician who knowingly contributed to their abuse — life in a multiple-child household headed by a single woman.
The octuplets’ birth dramatically highlights the plight of children carelessly and frivolously conceived. It should be the spectacle that prompts ministers, educators, entertainers, politicians, aunts, uncles and other family members need to recognize the harm unmarried adults are causing to children.
Life begins at conception. Anything adults do prior to that moment that doesn’t harm a third person is their business. At the moment of life, however, the wants and even the needs of the adults are incidental to those of the child.
These 14 children need a protector.
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By Howard
February 7, 2009 8:13 AM | Link to this
Jim…Democrats love and support this lifestyle and legislate it while Hollywood and our society glorify it…what the heck do you expect, especially from someone living in the land of fruits and nuts oin the left coast??? And for NBC’s stupid and inane Ann Curry to dignify that idiot by interviewing her was stupid!! God help this country!!!
By Howard
February 7, 2009 8:13 AM | Link to this
Jim…Democrats love and support this lifestyle and legislate it while Hollywood and our society glorify it…what the heck do you expect, especially from someone living in the land of fruits and nuts oin the left coast??? And for NBC’s stupid and inane Ann Curry to dignify that idiot by interviewing her was stupid!! God help this country!!!
By Courtenay
February 7, 2009 8:37 AM | Link to this
There was a young women who lived on a Shoestring. She had so many children, there was no money for Choo bling.
By catlady
February 7, 2009 8:37 AM | Link to this
While I don’t usually agree with you, Mr. Wooten, I do think children need advocates. Used to be it was the parents and other relatives. How will we pay for the advocates you suggest? Even at DFCS wages, the price will be quite steep. Perhaps Halliburton would be interested, on a cost plus basis, since some of their work may be winding down.
I would also like to see some disincentives for childbearing. For example, no income tax exemption after 2 kids. No free lunch, no Peachcare, no additional welfare benefits or food stamps for any kids after 2. Mothers on Medicaid would have to repay the government for any care for births after 2. I would not deny prenatal care, as we sure don’t need more disabled kids! Also, to get ANY assistance, the father would have to be named (before leaving the hospital, if aid is needed). And the government should go after impregnating males with the same zeal it has shown in other areas. After all, they are tax scofflaws, shifting their burden to others. When you have a financial stake in your actions, you tend to take more care.
I would also, in cases like the California one, make doctors liable for all expenses of births over 3: medical, educational, SSI, etc. The cost of those 8 California babies will be astronomical, even before they get to school. And if any of them are handicapped, Mama will draw a check for them, which, I believe, is about $600 each per month. (She will be rich! Her financial problems solved, thanks to you and me!)
While we are on Peachcare, ALL parents receiving its assistance should be charged SOME premium, no matter how small, from the moment of coverage (unlike now, where they wait until the kid is 6 to start paying their premium). There should be a small co-pay required for doctor’s visits, and a larger one for emergency room care. And the benefits should be cut down to those available to state employees. I assure you that would be a great deal less than is available now. We might see wiser use of medical resources, too.
Medicaid should also have some copay requirements. We want to move people TOWARD self-sufficiency, not away from it. To do so we encourage habits and actions that are LIKE those needed and expected for middle class citizens.
I also think abortion should be available, along with sterilization.
Do I sound extreme? I have been a teacher for 36 years, and over that time I have worked with many, many children who were uncared-for. The misery they experience, and that they pass down to THEIR children, is horrible.
I currently work with ELL kids. Half are from parents from Mexico. The other half come from another, nearby country. The Mexican families tend to have mid sized families. The other group has very, very large families—6-10 children is average. One thing I have been struck with is how very high a percentage of the children have a father who is VERY active in their lives, unlike our “native” families. Would that we could encourage more of that in our “American” fathers, and less of the love em and leave em mentality. We need to make disincentives toward that attitude.
Until we are ready to wrestle with whether we should promote thoughtful baby-having, and then craft ways to encourage it, we will continue to have the ever-larger mess we have now. It is the elephant in the room: we say we don’t want the government telling us how many kids we can have, but is it okay to “fail to reward” people who have more kids than they can possibly care for? Especially when the result of that decision means that others pay the costs, literally and figuratively, associated with that decision?
By Churchill's MOM
February 7, 2009 8:42 AM | Link to this
Good to see that the AJC FINALLY fixed the home page. Man these LIBERALs are really after our girl.
The Alaska state Senate voted Friday to find Todd Palin, husband of Gov. Sarah Palin, in contempt for failing to testify under order of subpoena.
Palin was subpoenaed in September by state lawmakers in the so-called “Troopergate” investigation. He and nine of the governor’s aides failed to appear at any of the scheduled hearings.
Both Todd Palin and the aides issued written statements responding to lawmaker inquiries but had made it known that they would not attend the hearings.
A legislative report on the Troopergate scandal found that the Republican governor abused her power in firing her ex-brother-in-law, who was engaged in a bitter custody battle with the governor’s sister.
The resolution passed the Senate 16-1 and contained language ensuring that none of the 10 individuals would be subject to further legal action on the matter.
The resolution’s sponsor, Democratic state Sen. Hollis French, told the Anchorage Daily News that “a lot of people were upset that the subpoenas were ignored” and that the resolution “memorializes their contempt.”
The governor’s office did not issue a statement on the vote.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 8:45 AM | Link to this
Catlady, I have eight brothers and sisters. All of them are successful. (except the black sheep, me, who has been setting new lows daily for 37 years. You’re supposed to hit bottom and then turn your life around. but what if you never get to the bottom?)
What if your life is a toilet, and nobody ever jiggles your handle?
By Redneck Convert
February 7, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this
Well, if there was ever a case for the Snip Squad this one is it. We’ll be paying welfare for these 14 kids the rest of our life. And she didn’t even do You Know What to get them. We need to track down the friend that gave the sperm and the Dr. that made the babys and make them pay for all these kids.
I’m awful glad Wooten brought up the high rate of ba*ds Those People have. It’s only the 14th time he’s done it and it needs to be done more to remind us who is causing all the problems we have. You can’t keep so quiet about stuff like that.
I’m just disgusted and I would be disgusted more if I didn’t have to go down to Countryland Golf Club with Joe Bill and Jim Earl today. After that I’ll come back to the trailer and fume some more. Have a good day everybody.
By Churchill's MOM
February 7, 2009 8:46 AM | Link to this
catlady 8:37 AM
Great post
By Peanut Man
February 7, 2009 8:51 AM | Link to this
How much money did Saxby take from Peanut Corportaion Of America? What did they get in return?
By Ga Values
February 7, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this
Here’s the list of the “moderate” cuts, I don’t know what most of them are. Wonder what was left in. Guess Johnny the Socialist $15,000.00 tax credit for home buyers stayed in. Did Saxby the Socialist get the F-22 program into this taxpayer rip off? As the man said we have 2 green parties.
A list of programs cut (actually reduced proposed allocations) from the House/Obama bill by Senate negotiators, put together by a Republican leadership aide:
$40 billion State Fiscal Stabilization $16 billion School Construction $1.25 billion project based rental $2.25 Neighborhood Stabilization (Eliminate) $1.2 billion in Retrofiting Project 8 Housing $7.5 billion of State Incentive Grants $3.5 billion Higher Ed Construction (Eliminated) $ 100 million FSA modernization $50 million CSERES Research $65 million Watershed Rehab $30 million SD Salaries $100 million Distance Learning $98 million School Nutrition $50 million aquaculture $2 billion broadband $1 billion Head Start/Early Start $5.8 billion Health Prevention Activity. $2 billion HIT Grants $1 billion Energy Loan Guarantees $4.5 billion GSA $3.5 billion Federal Bldgs Greening
(Smaller cuts — $10-$600 million — after the jump)
$100 million NIST $100 million NOAA $100 million Law Enforcement Wireless $50 million Detention Trustee $25 million Marshalls Construction $100 million FBI Construction $300 million Federal Prisons $300 million BYRNE Formula $140 million BYRNE Competitive $10 million State and Local Law Enforcement $50 million NASA $50 million Aeronautics $50 million Exploration $50 million Cross Agency Support $200 million NSF $100 million Science $89 million GSA Operations $300 million Fed Hybrid Vehicles $50 million from DHS $200 million TSA $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use $25 million Fish and Wildlife $55 million Historic Preservation $20 million working capital fund $200 million Superfund $165 million Forest Svc Capital Improvement $90 million State & Private Wildlife Fire Management $75 million Smithsonian $600 million Title I (NCLB)
By catlady
February 7, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this
Mae, congrats on your record-setting achievements! : )here is nothing wrong with being/having a big family (My mom was one of 9. Of the 8 who lived to adulthood all 8 had college degrees, some had master’s or professional degrees. 1 was a vet and one a doctor, one a nurse, one a nutritionist, and one a microbiologist at CDC who became an Episcopal priest. My mom, a teacher, was the “lowest” on the totem pole). In this day and age, however, should the taxpayers support those who make this decision? We know how to prevent conception. We know our world is increasingly crowded and polluted. We don’t work in the fields any more. That is the question I would like to explore. Should we give tax subsidies to those with big houses or big cars?
Here is what I want to know (I feel like mostly I know too much about the California case) Why did the mom get a “friend” to donate sperm when she was a married woman at the time?
By gt fan
February 7, 2009 9:18 AM | Link to this
hey Howard… are you conveniently retarded? if your going to post on a blog at the least have your facts straight. sheeeesh.
FACT: the republicans run on a pro life platform and democrats run on a pro choice platform.
AS IN…. the democrats could have advocated abortion in this case because of the woman’s mental state. on the other hand, the republicans would want to bring these children into the world even if they were severely handicapped which they probably will be. this lady already has autistic children and children born from multiple birth situations such as this generally have major health issues.
going one step further with this argument…..
here we have a party ( the republicans) who are adamantly pro life as in they believe life starts at conception and abortion is wrong. period.
now what is really hilarious is the fact that this same party (the republicans) that is ‘so protective of life at conception’ is pro gun to a fault and made up largely of hawks and neocons.
so i guess the message of the REPUBLICAN PARTY is ‘let’s let them grow up so we can murder them later with guns and kill them in ill conceived wars’.
dude your an idiot.
By gt fan
February 7, 2009 9:24 AM | Link to this
hey Howard… are you conveniently retarded? if your going to post on a blog at the least have your facts straight. sheeeesh.
FACT: the republicans run on a pro life platform and democrats run on a pro choice platform.
AS IN…. the democrats could have advocated abortion in this case because of the woman’s mental state. on the other hand, the republicans would want to bring these children into the world even if they were severely handicapped which they probably will be. this lady already has autistic children and children born from multiple birth situations such as this generally have major health issues.
going one step further with this argument…..
here we have a party ( the republicans) who are adamantly pro life as in they believe life starts at conception and abortion is wrong. period.
now what is really hilarious is the fact that this same party (the republicans) that is ‘so protective of life at conception’ is pro gun to a fault and made up largely of hawks and neocons.
so i guess the message of the REPUBLICAN PARTY is ‘let’s let them grow up so we can murder them later with guns and kill them in ill conceived wars’.
dude your an idiot.
By Sarah Palin
February 7, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Folks i have to tell ya.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 9:29 AM | Link to this
Perhaps it’s a cruel impulse, but I can’t shake this yearning to see someone answer in court for this outrage. Whom to arrest? The doctor? (let’s call her, or him, The Fertilizer) The ultimate drive-by dad, the aforementioned sperm donor? Or maybe the orange jumpsuit ought to be issued to Octopussy herself. It is she who has rendered fourteen innocent human beings mere fetishes, a collection of things existing to gratiate a most ungracious life.
By Sarah Palin's mama
February 7, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this
Folks i have to tell ya my child…
she will make a perfect republican.
By catlady
February 7, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this
Glenn, your last sentence @9:29 is poetry.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 9:36 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten publishes this fact often: only 25% of white babies are fatherless, but 70 percent of Black Babies are fatherless.
That’s true. The number work out like this: 4 million babies born. 1.8 million are fatherless.
900K are white. 400K are black. 400K are Hispanic.
white, fatherless babies outnumber black fatherless babies by more than double
Yet, the way Wooten presents the data, it appears as if black babies were the main problem with far, far greater numbers than whites.
If I had epistemological constraints on me like Wooten lives with, I’d flush my head down the toilet. this is criminal journalism and Wooten is the living vestige of antebellum old money dictating to the madding crowd how quickly to socially evolve.
Well I think it stinks, Jim Wooten.
How dare you drudge up that damnable statistic?
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this
For what it’s worth, I wholeheartedly concur with Mr. Wooten’s declaration that “The focus of all law and public policies really should be reoriented to children.”
I believe that.
By Sarah Palin's mama
February 7, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this
Folks i have to tell ya my child…
she will make a perfect republican.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this
Catlady, she got a “friend’ to “donate” sperm because Sophie Loren was wrong: U cant have great sex with someone you hate.
Wooten is maybe the one great disappoinment in my journalism career so far. His loose canon is a secular canon. He doesn’t serve God or the people first. He serves the past, and it’s sticky legal precedences.
ew
By catlady
February 7, 2009 9:56 AM | Link to this
Mae, in Mr. Wooten’s defense: He may not be race-baiting. He may be trying to point out that when most of the kids of one race (or one city, or one haircolor, or whatever) are born to single mothers, there are reprecussions for that group. That is, if one race (or whatever) goes against cultural norms upon which the society is built and defined, there is fallout. In the United States, a middle class norm, most often represented by an educated married couple and their children, is what the accepted behavior standards are set upon. Deviation from this norm frequently incurs problems.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this
Thanks, catlady.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 10:19 AM | Link to this
Have y’all read the AJC’s update on the hunt to fill Jim’s shoes? If you haven’t yet taken it in, then please do so. The first paragraph reads like an over-busy lede, but other than that bit of “Entertainment Tonight”, it’s a charming and really encouraging report. Leads you almost to believe that The Paper ackshooley wants a genuinely perceptive Conservative columnist. Pretty cool. Dial it up.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 10:20 AM | Link to this
Huffington keeps referring to the overall change in the zeitgeist, where an actual bio-evolved revolution in thought has occurred.
The internet is the great equalizer, and joe the plumber can be proud he was part of our process. I really liked Joe. I swear I didn’t riff one line about him. Swear.
Catlady, 900 thousand white babies were born with biological fathers in name only (bfino) last year. ( notice how close to bff that is)?
I never had a bff. Paris says you can only have one bff. I really like Paris too.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this
Well, let’s see what the Obamacrats are up to. First, Mr. O appears to be just a tad peeved at Republicans not supporting his Socialist …errr… I mean Stimulus bill:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama’s soft-sell pitches to Republicans haven’t gotten him very far on his economic stimulus plan, so he’s resorting to a sharper tone that is at odds with his vow to make Washington less partisan.
AP - President Barack Obama speaks about the economy, Friday, Feb. 6, 2009, in the East Room of the White …
Stopping just short of a take-it-or-leave-it stand, Obama has mocked the notion that a stimulus bill shouldn’t include huge spending. He’s also defended earmarks as inevitable in such a package. And he’s pointedly reminded Republicans about who won the November election.
The heightened rhetoric reflects White House frustration that Obama’s earlier efforts, which included high-profile visits to House and Senate Republicans last month, yielded not a single House GOP vote for the legislation. In the Senate, Obama and his allies were battling Friday for just a handful of Republican votes to avoid a bill-stopping filibuster.
“He’s going on offense,” Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., said after listening to Obama’s more combative speech Thursday at a House Democrats’ retreat. “I think the president decided that it’s time to lay out the facts to the American people, as he did going into the campaign, and take control of this debate.”Then we have Plugs BIden who seemed a little concerned:
Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged today that Democrats could face political repercussions in 2010 for their support of the $900 billion economic stimulus package.
“But when we do [approve it], I’m sure you’re going to be nailed in ads, ‘Well they voted on that’ 30 second ads,” Biden told roughly 200 members of the House Democratic Caucus gathered here for their three day annual retreat. “I promise you as [a colleague] once said to me, ‘I’ll come campaign for you or against you, whichever will help you the most in your district.’ And so will the president because, again, we’re all in this together.”And last but not least, a word from the CBO on the matter:
President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.Nobody really wants to see Obama fail, not even Limbaugh as he stated in FULL context (that the stupid mindless liberals LIED about), but I’m afraid Mr. O’s arrogance and Chicago bully style politics are not conducive to what this nation needs. We are indeed worthy of the government we elect, even if over 60 million did NOT vote for Obama. Put your seat belts on boys and girls, the seas are going to get a lot rougher under pure Democrat rule.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this
The text formatting of this blog sucks, by the way. What gives?
Moving along, if the liberals at the Washington Post have problems with Obama, then you KNOW something is wrong with the picture. Charlie says it and says it good:
By Charles Krauthammer Friday, February 6, 2009; A17
“A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe.”
— President Obama, Feb. 4.
“Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared “we have chosen hope over fear.” Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill.”
“And so much for the promise to banish the money changers and influence peddlers from the temple. An ostentatious executive order banning lobbyists was immediately followed by the nomination of at least a dozen current or former lobbyists to high position. Followed by a Treasury secretary who allegedly couldn’t understand the payroll tax provisions in his 1040. Followed by Tom Daschle, who had to fall on his sword according to the new Washington rule that no Cabinet can have more than one tax delinquent.”
The Daschle affair was more serious because his offense involved more than taxes. As Michael Kinsley once observed, in Washington the real scandal isn’t what’s illegal, but what’s legal. Not paying taxes is one thing. But what made this case intolerable was the perfectly legal dealings that amassed Daschle $5.2 million in just two years.”
I can’t imagine how p!ssed off the lilberals would be if Dick Cheney were doing exactly what Daschle has done. I can’t even fathom their vitriol and seething wretched mindless reactions. I really can’t.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 10:32 AM | Link to this
Was the safe Nixon used to finance his cover up kept inside Cheney’s man-sized safe? and is there another safe inside Nixon’s that Kennedy was using to pay for the CIA’s assassination of the President of Vietnam in his first 100 days? ( Did we crucify that poor sot, or was it our modern version of the crucifixion when Kennedy waxed yellow?) Kennedy’s 1000 days of camelot. Christ’s 1000 day ministry. Hitler’s 1000 year reich. It’s all equivalent. (In dog years, of course). And is there another tiny safe inside Kennedy’s safe that FDR used to finance the Blitzkreig. ( Beware the military industrial complex.) Ike wasn’t looking forward, he was looking backwards. This explains both bushes on the white house lawn. Whatever money put the techno twins in the white house surely will address us all soon again. Cheney and the Saudis: The military industrial complex.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 10:34 AM | Link to this
“MUNICH (AP) - Iran sternly dismissed decades of U.S. policies targeting Tehran and declared Friday that the new American administration had to admit past wrongs before it could hope for reconciliation.”
So, do you think Obama and Hillary will ask Iran to admit and apologize for their actions in supporting terrorism since the 1970s? A snowflake’s chance in hell. America is the bad guy according to liberals.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 10:36 AM | Link to this
Mae North,
Trust me: they’re smokin’ rope in L.A.
They’ve gone Morrison; they’ve lost any sense of reality.
It all would be somehow funny, except that so many struggling people are involved and, besides, California is so lovable.
By Jackie
February 7, 2009 10:40 AM | Link to this
@Cayman,
Do you think the a vast majority of economists are making up falsehoods relating to the dire position of the economy?
Do you believe the Repubs are trying to clean up their image and the perception of their trying to “help” the Americans citizens in holding up the the stimulus package?
As we read op-ed pieces by different writers, do you understand what is at stake and what the is required to keep the economy working using the basic supply/demand curve?
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 10:44 AM | Link to this
This is as peaceful an overture as we’re going to get from Iran. they are not Arabs with the purple fingers and everything…LADY…..no, they’re Persian. And persian people are different than arabs.
Iran has made the geo-political equivalent of “Simon Says Apologize”. We have to do it. Only if Iran doesn’t say, “simon says” should we not sucker for the move. That’s the level we are dealing with these beautiful hoards of shia.
Lets abide international peter principles and say, “Simon says….” and see if they sucker for it when we stop saying “simon says”.
Engage.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 10:59 AM | Link to this
Full Morrison? Cool.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes Phelps to find his niche.
“It’s a terrible thing to waste one’s mind”. Now this was as gruesome a scene as when Bush called 911 part of a new crusade. Here we give minorities a just-say-no slogan like, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste”, totally patronizing the entire population, and then we screw up the slogan at a rally for the perpetuation of the slogan.
a true idiot. in our lifetime. Simple simon. Bush is the fruition of the prophesy found in mother goose rhymes. My god.
Jklol
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 11:15 AM | Link to this
“Do you think the a vast majority of economists are making up falsehoods relating to the dire position of the economy?”
NO, Jackie, you mindless knee-jerk liberal. What part of GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS NOT A STIMULUS do you idiots NOT understand?
By Jackie
February 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Link to this
@Cayman,
You show your lack of knowledge by your statement.
What is SPENDING but a STIMULUS to the economy?
Figure that one out slow-motion!
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 11:23 AM | Link to this
My kind of poll:
Friday, February 06, 2009
“Fifty-four percent (54%) of U.S. voters say the news media make global warming appear worse than it really is. Only 21% say the media present an accurate picture, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.”
“Thirteen percent (13%) think the media make climate change appear to be better than it truly is. Twelve percent (12%) don’t have an opinion.”
“No wonder 23% say it is at least somewhat likely that global warming will destroy human civilization within the next century. Common to all surveys about the media, Republicans are more critical than Democrats.”
Well that’s logical. Republicans generally aren’t easily swayed, duped, and don’t make knee-jerk decisions based upon their emotions and how they feel. A Democrat will see a propaganda picture of a polar bear on ice in the middle of nowhere and if the caption says “GLOBAL WARMING KILLING POLAR BEARS!” will believe it hook, line, and sinker. It’s all about the emotions with liberals & Democrats - like the children in grade school easily duped into the mindless hysteria of AGW.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Link to this
Jackie, you are an idiot. Public parks and other “shovel ready” projects are going to help this economy about as much as legalizing prostitution. In fact, some would say that the stimulus package IS a form of prostitution - whoring out our taxpayer dollars for short term pleasure. You liberals don’t think much about the long term, do you?
“The Congressional Budget Office is predicting the federal deficit will reach $1.2 trillion this fiscal year. That’s more than double the $455 billion deficit posted for fiscal 2008, and some private estimates put the likely outcome even higher. That will drive up interest costs in the federal budget even if Treasury yields stay low. But if a drop in world market demand for Treasurys sends borrowing costs upward, there could be a ballooning of the interest cost line in the budget that will worsen an already frightening outlook. Credit for the rest of the economy will become more dear as well, worsening the recession. Treasury’s Wednesday announcement that it will sell a record $67 billion in notes and bonds next week and $493 billion in this quarter weakened Treasury prices, revealing market sensitivity to heavy financing.”
“So what is the outlook? The stimulus package is rolling through Congress like an express train packed with goodies, so an enormous deficit seems to be a given. Entitlements will go up instead of being brought under better control, auguring big future deficits. Where will the Treasury find all those trillions in a depressed world economy?”
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this
Oh yeah, and speaking of mindless Democrat spending and Chicago thug style bully politics, let’s see what the mayor of Chicago is up to. Specifically, NOT up to - like listing what projects are planned for his share of OUR TAX DOLLARS. Let’s see, how about crony funding and no-bidding contracts for starters! Anyone remember the Democrats wailing about NO BID contracts?
Posted by Dan Mihalopoulos at 6:40 p.m.
Mayor Richard Daley said today Chicago has compiled a wish list of “shovel-ready projects” to spend federal economic stimulus funds on should Congress approve a plan.
Unlike hundreds of other cities, however, Daley said Chicago won’t make its list public.
“Yes, we do, we have our list, we’ve been talking to people. We did not put that out publicly because once you start putting it out publicly, you know, the newspapers, the media is going to be ripping it apart,” Daley said.
Uhm, yeah, it’s called ACCOUNTABILITY, numbnuts.
By Jackie
February 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this
@Cayman,
Your postings are reflective of what most conservatives use to try to make the truth from innuendo and incomplete facts/information.
If you had a class in Economics, the major thesis of this class is the supply/demand curve. If you understand that concept, then you realize when there is adequate supply to meet the demand, the economy grows. On the other hand, when there is no demand to meet the supply, the economy contracts.
In order to keep these ratios in balance, the consumer must have adequate disposable income to purchase those items that contribute to the overall economy.
To have disposable income, one must have a job; jobs are provided when there is a demand for the products.
The government is the only entity that have adequate resources to correct this inbalance simply because they have the ability to print money.
Reach out a hold on to those concepts and you will understand why it is important the stimulus touch all segments of the economy.
By Dick C
February 7, 2009 11:47 AM | Link to this
The announcement of the new KBR contract came just months after the Pentagon, in strongly worded correspondence obtained by The Associated Press, rejected the company’s explanation of serious mistakes in Iraq and its proposed improvements. A senior Pentagon official, David J. Graff, cited the company’s “continuing quality deficiencies” and said KBR executives were “not sufficiently in touch with the urgency or realities of what was actually occurring on the ground.”
“Many within DOD (the Department of Defense) have lost or are losing all remaining confidence in KBR’s ability to successfully and repeatedly perform the required electrical support services mission in Iraq,” wrote Graff, commander of the Defense Contract Management Agency, in a Sept. 30 letter.
Graff rejected the company’s claims that it wasn’t required to follow U.S. electrical codes for its work on U.S. military facilities in Iraq. KBR has said it would cost an extra $560 million to refurbish buildings in Iraq used by the U.S. military, including Saddam Hussein’s palaces, which among other problems are based on a 220-volt standard rather than the American 120-volt standard.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Link to this
Jackie. I have two degrees, thanks. Not only are you an idiot, you are an obvious pro-Keynesian economics idiot. It is a waste of time going into details with you. So, down the road, when things get worse, you’ll know that we who are vehemently against this government socialism were right all along. I can’t sway the minds of idiots like you who only think government can get us out of this when in ESSENCE it was a lot of government FAILURES that got us IN to this mess to begin with.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this
To my astonishment I find myself strangely agreeing with your glorification of modern-day Persia. Iran is indeed asserting itself, declaring what it considers its rightful place in the hall of nations. We Yanks once had an ayatollah like that, a fellow named Roosevevelt. He was fairly desperate, too, to put our country on the map, and to stir up whatever dust necessary to draw the world’s attention.
Still, Iran is murderous, and the regime in Tehran, like the murderous regime in Beijing, must be blasted out.
By Frank
February 7, 2009 12:05 PM | Link to this
The problem with Keynesian economics is that no one reverses the intervention. Governments spend more to stimulate the economy then never (or very rarely) cut back. The other problem is that individuals also deficit spend in the acquisition of more goods. Wants become needs and the deleterious cycle of borrowing and spending then borrowing to repay spending takes on a life of its own. In short, both governments and citizens overspend, which is an unsustainable path.
Much of our current economic crisis stems from such wasteful deficit spending on an individual and governmental level. Keynesian economic policies were one of the instigators of the current economic turmoil. It just took many years for it to develop again.
Having the government jump in to stimulate the economy is not the right path, especially now that the most conservative estimate of the cost of the economic stimulus is $1.2 trillion (other estimates put the cost at around $2 trillion). Sure, it will help the economy in the short term. It will probably even help the economy for much of our lifetimes.
However, it “fixes” the economy at the expense of our children’s security - something the left has always reminded us about when Republicans run up the deficit for wars or whatever. At some point the government just cannot jump in and fix the economy any more just because it is the economy. It is, in essence, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul.
Just as communism was shown to be economically unsustainable, Keynesian economics is also unsustainable. Keynesian economics is not socialism per say but it does have socialist inspiration. The communist variation of socialism was shown to be unsustainable.
Governments that strictly follow Keynesian economics could end up in an unsustainable state from which there would be no more room in which to maneuver out of. Then again, this is probably why so many Democrats support said economic policies - it gives government greater control over the private sector and business sector. Just what the left loves most - control.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this
Good going, Cayman. Jackie’s still my friend, but Jackie, I mean seriously…
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Link to this
Keynesian Theory and Communism can’t both weigh equally as being economically unsustainable in a treatise about Communism and Capitalism. Keynesian theory is a very small subset of capitalism.
That’s like comparing the Statue of Liberty to page 37 in the Kama Sutra in which an oddly similar pose is struck…….ew….
Jklol
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Link to this
Glenn - I have a low tolerance level for ignorance and idiocy and will call it out every time. My thanks to “Frank.”
So tell me, is there a REASON why Mr. Rangel, like so many other Democrats, has a problem paying taxes? Damned hypocrites if you ask me. Every single last one of them.
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) is facing new questions about why he has not disclosed any royalty income on his 2007 memoir … And I Haven’t Had a Bad Day Since: From the Streets of Harlem to the Halls of Congress.
The Sunlight Foundation, a nonprofit, nonpartisan advocate for government transparency, wants to know why the chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Committee has failed to report royalty income and has not voluntarily disclosed details of his book contract.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 12:29 PM | Link to this
Islam is beautiful. Have you hugged a mullah today?
By Jackie
February 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this
@Cayman,
I congratulate you on your two degrees, in?
It is apparent that you have not reached a level of understanding relating to the economy and the purpose of economic stimulus.
@Glenn You and I have not debated lately, therefore, it is time for a substantive overview of what ideas you and others may have to solve this problem.
Without the Keynesian economic model, what would you propose?
Further, you use the word seriously? What path are you trying to go down to validate your point in lending support?
Points are being made here equating our current economic model to communism. Could someone please provide some concert examples of where the comparison comes into focus?
The assertion was made about deficit spending and Keynesian economic relationship. Could someone please explain how this model has failed, given the fact of what Ronald Regan has implemented and the Repubs have immersed themselves in to use as an argument to be against anything and everything that the government does to regulate and oversee.
Please, help refute any of my arguments.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Link to this
“Islam is beautiful. Have you hugged a mullah today?”
I think a better catch phrase would be “Paradise is beautiful. Have you blown up an infidel today?”
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Link to this
Wonderful. Apparently some Gitmo goons that were freed are now MIA and on Saudi Arabia’s Most Wanted list. Remember, according to the idiocy of liberals and Democrats, Gitmo prisoners aren’t terrorists or criminals - they are just innocent pawns in Cheney’s war. Yeah, let’s just free them all, right morons?
CAIRO (AP) - Saudi Arabia said Wednesday that 11 men released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay are now on the kingdom’s most-wanted list despite having attended its touted extremist rehabilitation program.
President Barack Obama has signed an executive order closing the detention center at the naval base in Cuba, leaving countries scrambling over what to do with released detainees.
The 11 were on a list of 83 Saudis and two Yemenis wanted for their connections to al-Qaida issued Monday by the Saudi government. The government knows where the rest of the 106 former detainees are.
Among the 11 were two Saudis who have emerged as the new leaders of Yemen’s branch of al-Qaida. The two appeared in a militant video last month calling for attacks against Arab governments and Western interests.
“Imprisonment only increased our persistence in our principles for which we went out, did jihad for, and were imprisoned for,” Said Ali al-Shihri said during the video. Al-Shihri was jailed for six years in Guantanamo after his capture in Pakistan, and said he resurfaced as the branch’s leader after completing the Saudi rehab program.
By Mae North
February 7, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this
The Shia Superstate.
Iraq has millions of shia. Persia is Shia. The Shia attraction is younger than the older ethnic repulsion that separates the two populations.
Persians can fight with Arabs, but they can’t live with them. The Kurds watch wearily as we prepare to leave. That’s a lot of cross-border Shia facing Mecca five times a day. That’s like a billion man-prayers a day out of the Shia Superstate alone. Imagine the Davinci Code 3 movie: Shia prayers incroaching into our air space.: Mr. President! We must retaliate with a full rosary immediately, Mr. President. “What if we do send a full rosary in response and they counter with the Story of Abraham?” (Well, sir, I suppose we’ll have to counter that with a Novena at least.) “And then what will the shia response be to that?” (well, mr president, we’d have to say a High Mass and maybe hunt for easter eggs,and maybe get out the pope mobile out, max, give or take, depending on the breaks, but before we get to that point, surely more secular cooler heads will have prevailed. ) “I’m not willing to take that bet. I order you all to flip Mr. Amanijihdad the bird, moon him, and throw beads at his wife. Now. That’s an order Mr. Cheney……..(It’s your Karma, Jack, over)
Jklol. Google the kurds if you want to know what’s dead ahead in Iraq, or any sense of what our mission in Iraq actually was/is.
By joe the plumber
February 7, 2009 1:01 PM | Link to this
The Shia Superstate.
Iraq has millions of shia. Persia is Shia. The Shia attraction is younger than the older ethnic repulsion that separates the two populations.
Persians can fight with Arabs, but they can’t live with them. The Kurds watch wearily as we prepare to leave. That’s a lot of cross-border Shia facing Mecca five times a day. That’s like a billion man-prayers a day out of the Shia Superstate alone. Imagine the Davinci Code 3 movie: Shia prayers incroaching into our air space.: Mr. President! We must retaliate with a full rosary immediately, Mr. President. “What if we do send a full rosary in response and they counter with the Story of Abraham?” (Well, sir, I suppose we’ll have to counter that with a Novena at least.) “And then what will the shia response be to that?” (well, mr president, we’d have to say a High Mass and maybe hunt for easter eggs,and maybe get out the pope mobile out, max, give or take, depending on the breaks, but before we get to that point, surely more secular cooler heads will have prevailed. ) “I’m not willing to take that bet. I order you all to flip Mr. Amanijihdad the bird, moon him, and throw beads at his wife. Now. That’s an order Mr. Cheney……..(It’s your Karma, Jack, over)
Jklol. Google the kurds if you want to know what’s dead ahead in Iraq, or any sense of what our mission in Iraq actually was/is.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 1:07 PM | Link to this
“Without the Keynesian economic model, what would you propose?”
Jackie. You poor thing. You are like a child screaming for attention. Only a fool would qualify the false assumptions of government-infused socialism which operates on the fixed belief that you can get out of a hole by digging yourself in deeper. It is stark raving economic insanity. Let the markets do their work and give the taxpayers some of their money back DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to what they paid out relative to income. Oh yeah, and there’s that pesky little thing you liberals hate so much called tax cuts for those who pay them.
“Points are being made here equating our current economic model to communism.”
WHAT? Only you could come up with such an a*inine direct correlation on that post, Jackie.
“The assertion was made about deficit spending and Keynesian economic relationship. Could someone please explain how this model has failed, given the fact of what Ronald Regan has implemented”
What does that have to do with the price of an orange in the apple cart? Reagan’s spending was for the military and intelligence and other critical government operations that Carter and Democrats all but tore down, and our way of flexing muscles at the USSR. Remember those days? That spending was NOT for economics. Besides, Lockheed Martin is still in business the last time I checked and producing airplanes and other military hardware. That is a far cry from some BS “shovel ready” park where you can just go take your dog to go pinch one off. Parks and arts funding doth not jobs create long term. Finally, Reagan era tax cuts - the Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA) of 1981 - generated one of the largest growths in government revenue ever.
Straight from President Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisers in 1994: “It is undeniable that the sharp reduction in taxes in the early 1980s was a strong impetus to economic growth.”
My how times change.
By Frank
February 7, 2009 1:18 PM | Link to this
Jackie - Fiscal policy should not be used in the futile attempt to stabilize or prop up the economy. The Fed’s monetary policy is far more effective at this task, and the large recent reduction in the fed funds rate illustrates that it can respond more quickly and more forcefully than any change in fiscal policy.
In general, government policy should be judged by its effects on the incentives to work, save, invest, and increase productivity and output. The Democrats’ fiscal stimulus package would do almost none of the above and in effect be like giving a heroine addict a temporary “fix” to make him feel better. It does nothing to alleviate the long term ills of this nation.
As many people have argued, it just exacerbates the problem. Besides, if you think that nobody should question a $1 trillion+ spending proposal and just blindly be a yes puppet to it, you are gravely mistaken my dear.
By joe the plumber
February 7, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this
The Shia Superstate.
Iraq has millions of shia. Persia is Shia. The Shia attraction is younger than the older ethnic repulsion that separates the two populations.
Persians can fight with Arabs, but they can’t live with them. The Kurds watch wearily as we prepare to leave. That’s a lot of cross-border Shia facing Mecca five times a day. That’s like a billion man-prayers a day out of the Shia Superstate alone. Imagine the Davinci Code 3 movie: Shia prayers incroaching into our air space.: Mr. President! We must retaliate with a full rosary immediately, Mr. President. “What if we do send a full rosary in response and they counter with the Story of Abraham?” (Well, sir, I suppose we’ll have to counter that with a Novena at least.) “And then what will the shia response be to that?” (well, mr president, we’d have to say a High Mass and maybe hunt for easter eggs,and maybe get out the pope mobile out, max, give or take, depending on the breaks, but before we get to that point, surely more secular cooler heads will have prevailed. ) “I’m not willing to take that bet. I order you all to flip Mr. Amanijihdad the bird, moon him, and throw beads at his wife. Now. That’s an order Mr. Cheney……..(It’s your Karma, Jack, over)
Jklol. Google the kurds if you want to know what’s dead ahead in Iraq, or any sense of what our mission in Iraq actually was/is.
By Cayman
February 7, 2009 1:29 PM | Link to this
Have a nice afternoon everyone. It’s too nice outside to waste time dealing with ignorance and fools. So, I’ll part with a final comment about what great insanity of thinking some fringe liberal Democrats do. GOD these people are STUPID.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Dozens of protesters interrupted a speech by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on Tuesday, accusing him of ignoring the views of the poor as he tries to reverse the economic downturn.
Bloomberg was talking about his affordable housing plan at a conference of business people on the future of the city at a luxury hotel in midtown Manhattan, when dozens of people entered the ballroom shouting and waving flyers.
One of the flyers criticized Bloomberg for turning to big business for help in reversing the downturn.
“Instead of reaching out to the poor, the homeless and others that are most affected by the economic downturn, Mayor Bloomberg has invited the CEOs of major corporations to reverse the city’s worsening economy — some of the very people responsible for making the poor decisions that provoked this current economic crisis,” one flyer said.
Bloomberg tells it like it is, however. Just what do these mindless moonbat liberals think money comes from? GOVERNMENT? Stupid tools.
“If you don’t like wealthy people or successful profit-making businesses, you’re not going to have a city,” he told reporters. “We want to attract those people here. That’s where we get the money to help those who are less fortunate.”
By frank malzone
February 7, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this
It may be that Keynesian Theory is the best description. But you could only acknowledge that if you equally believed in the other Theories. No model exists for prediction. It is cyclical, but that’s all you can rely on: that it’s unreliable.
Not one person knows why.
Anyone?
By get out much?
February 7, 2009 1:36 PM | Link to this
Cayman - of course you are familiar with Trent Lott - who resigned his senate seat (with four+ years remaining in his term) because he did not want to wait to start his lobbying career. At least Daschle waited until after he lost his seat.
By frank malzone
February 7, 2009 1:46 PM | Link to this
“Look how Trent Lott appears on the page! He’s got a great face! ” These are the considerations the founding Xerox corporation entrepreneurs faced when they first decided to make Xerox copies of a human fanny.
Look how Zorro looks on the page. Then go make some z’s.
By frank malzone
February 7, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this
There was a young women who lived on a Shoestring. She had so many children, there was no money for no Choo bling, (girlfriend).
By Terrill
February 7, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this
No gt, Republicans run on a personal responsibility platform, the democrats counteract that with a government entitlement platform. If it were mandated that people take responsibility for their offspring then people would think twice about making babies they can’t take care of.
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 3:34 PM | Link to this
Jackie, it’s ME. Relax, man. I understand where you’re coming from, and you know me and my movie.
What I’m saying is, the important poeple, in Washington, are preparing to blow our entire patrimony. Does the word “patrimony” ring a bell? It should do. Problem is, it doesn’t do, because the women to whom it’s left to teach patrimony to the young simply forego the exercise every time, and blame the lack on men.
By mother nature
February 7, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this
Mini-blackholes, which apparently permeate the entire universe and are spaced only about a foot apart in all directions, account for the missing dark matter. It’s possible if we can determine the mini-black hole’s half life, we can know when the universe will explode. The mini-blackholes will all disolve at the same time, unleashing whatever they’re holding back. So the universe is a controlled explosion or a controlled crash landing, like a plane.
The Hadron Collider may find these mini-black holes.
By REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP
February 7, 2009 5:23 PM | Link to this
WITH ALL THESE REPUBLICANS EVIL BLOGGERS HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DEMOCRAPS SPENDING MONEY TO HELP THE POOR AND THE ELDERLY,SHOWS HOW EVIL AND TWISTED YOUR MINDS ARE, YOU NEO-NAZIS DIDNT SAY ONE WORD ABOUT WELFARE FOR IRAQ FOR 10 BILLION A MONTH,BUT IF POOR WHITES AND ELDERLY NEED A LITTLE HELP YOU DEMONS GO OFF ON THE DEEP END.
THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SCREAM SUPPORT THE TROOPS,BUT WONT GO AND ACTUALLY JOIN THE MILITARY AND HELP,THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HATE THE AMERICAN POOR PEOPLE,BUT LOVE TO HELP THE POOR IRAQI PEOPLE,THE SAME GOP SUPPORTERS WHO HATE THE GAY LIFE STYLE IN PUBLIC BUT PERFORM GAY ACTS AT NITE,YOU NEVER HEAR ONE THING NEGATIVE THAT BUSH DID FROM THESE HICKS LIKE THE OBVIOUS 4.00 A GALLON FOR GAS,LOSS OF ALL THESE JOBS,PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES,KIDS CANT GO TO COLLEGE,BUT THEY WILL BLAME ALL THIS ON CLINTON AND CARTER,AND NOTHING ON THE STUPID BUSHES!
P.S.HE WHO POINTS THE FINGER HAS 10 FINGERS POINTING BACK AT HIM!
By Glenn
February 7, 2009 5:57 PM | Link to this
mother nature,
That is such the pitch-perfect piece of hilarious crap that I’ve already forwarded it to Alta Dena and Menlo Park.
With your permission, of course.
By joan
February 7, 2009 6:41 PM | Link to this
I agree she shouldn’t have all those kids, particularly since I, and other taxpaywers will have to support them. I have no problem saying that she is entirely without morals to visit that burden on other Americans, and they should have no shame in admitting people like her are a nuisance. I also have a well paid single daughter, who, if she had a child would pay for it all the way. So that takes her child, if she has one, out of your requirements for a guardian.
By Peanut Man
February 8, 2009 8:11 AM | Link to this
A congressman has announced the first public hearing on the salmonella outbreak that’s being blamed on tainted peanut butter.
California Democrat Henry Waxman says he wants to focus on the Georgia peanut processing plant at the center of the investigation, which has led to a massive recall. More than 500 people have gotten sick in the outbreak, and at least eight may have died because of salmonella infections.
Georgia State Senator John Bulloch, R-Ochlocknee, holds up a jar of peanut butter while proposing food processors be required to share internal reports with state inspectors, during a legislative session in the senate chamber Thursday Jan. 29, 2009, in Atlanta. Recent salmonella cases have been tracked back to a processing facility in Georgia.
Among those testifying will be Stewart Parnell, president of Peanut Corp. of America, as well representatives of two labs the company used for testing. Peanut Corp. shipped products that initially tested positive for salmonella, after follow-up tests found no traces.
Waxman says the situation at the plant “alarming.”
By stalled
February 8, 2009 8:12 AM | Link to this
I know, the dark matter is supposed to be responsible for pushing the galaxies further and further apart faster and faster. So how could it also be what is slowing down the expansion?
Mini-black holes are only a theory. Dark matter is only a theory. When they look at our Milky Way Galaxy, the stars at the very outer arm of it are moving so fast that they should fly off into empty space, but they dont. Something is herding them along in line. Dark Matter? Mini-black holes?
Mini-black holes could have been created in the big bang, and if their half-life can be determined, then we can know when the end of the universe will happen. It could be three seconds from now…………or three billion years from now.
How do min-black holes fit in with string theory?
By Georgia Farmer
February 8, 2009 8:13 AM | Link to this
Down in South Georgia two good ole boys were sitting around talking one afternoon over a cold beer .
After a while the first guy says to the second, “If’n I was to sneak over to your trailer Saturday and make love to your wife while you was off huntin’, and she got pregnant and had a baby, would that make us kin?”
The second guy crooked his head sideways for a minute, scratched his head, and squinted his eyes thinking real hard about the question.
Finally, he says, “Well, I don’t know about kin, but it sure would make us even.
By deegee
February 8, 2009 8:58 AM | Link to this
Still waiting on that Bristol Palin - Levi Johnston wedding. How many more little b******* is she going to have before her tubes get tied?
By stalled
February 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Link to this
Einstein considered himself a total failure on his death bed when he couldn’t fit gravity into the unification theory, where magnets and test tubes (chemical reactions) have equivalence.. It’s called radiation, electromagnetic radiation. It means that the laser, and the briefcase nuke, (and the stinkbomb) are from the exact same substance (when they’re detonated). Electricity is the same thing as the Hiroshima bomb. Light, electricity, and the H bomb are all equivalent. (but they’re measured in different frequencies, which implies time. Time is the variable. That allows this leap of logic into relativity. All forces of nature are the same. They come from the same place, because time is the variable. That allows you to plug the formulas. That’s why it’s still a theory. It’s cheating to plug formulas. Isn’t it?
Einstein explained gravity as space-time itself (at first). That is, there’s really no gravity, (other than as the generic term for space-time). Space-time is the quilt of the universe, including string theories and mini-black holes. The quilt is what makes time variable (by slowing down light as light makes it’s way through the quilt). Space is fixed, but time is the variable here. Space-time, as a word, implies a variable product of a fixed constant.
Einstein also believed in an elegant universe, which would imply that gravity does exist separately from space-time: a unification theory. He was scribbling a formula on his death bed. Furiously. Relativity is not enough. Einstein craved the supreme theory that would explain everything.
Relativity is not enough. ( Insanity is explaining the same motion theory to the same group of morons and expecting anything to change.) Time is the variable. Einstein plugged it. Einstein plugged the value for time, not caring what it was exactly; he only cared that it could be variable. That was the revolution in thought: Time passes differently for all of us, depending on our place in space-time.
That’s why you cant get reliable eyewitness testimony. We all experience an event at different rates of time.
Earth’s magnetic field, (produced by liquid metal in the earth’s core) interacts with the atmosphere of our sun, (yes, we are that close to the sun. We are in it’s atmosphere. We get everything the sun gives 24/7 365.) We are the sun.
We are the sun. We are magnetic. We are the ones who spin a better day, so charm electric. If we find the missing link, if we make war obsolete, if we can drive our cars to the moon, we are the sun.
Relativity wasn’t enough. OMG.
Jklol
By Bill Shipp
February 8, 2009 9:25 AM | Link to this
Roy Barnes has not even announced for governor, yet the ex-guv already has offered a sound proposal for protecting the people from their lawmakers. It ought to be topic No. 1 in the coming political campaigns, even if lawyer Barnes decides not to toss his fedora back into the ring.
In a long essay in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Barnes writes:
“I, for one, have come to the conclusion that since gifts blind the wise, the only way we the people can combat the growing influence of (special-interest lobbyists) with our elected officials is to hire our own ‘People’s Lobbyist’ and make sure that he or she has an expense account with enough money to be able to ply the General Assembly with the finest food and wine, tickets to any event they desire, and maybe even a jet aircraft so our elected officials can make sure they will not be tardy for their junkets.”
Of course, Barnes just is being facetious. His idea of people’s lobbyists to compete with the corporate guys sounds a bit crooked to me. Besides, what sane Georgia legislator would dare be seen in a five-star restaurant with an arm-twister representing public interests?
In addition, our General Assembly is too busy to dabble with such foolishness. Just look at its full plate. The legislature is saddled with revoking millions in property tax breaks for Georgia homeowners. Our elected leaders say the state treasury needs that $500 million in little people’s tax breaks to repair a growing state budget deficit.
As you know, the budget deficit is becoming larger because lobbyists and lawmakers in more salad days decided to give special interests extra-special tax breaks to show appreciation for the good wine, football tickets and all. A people’s lobbyist, if we had one, with a little black book might head off the legislature’s notion to wipe out property tax relief.
A second bill the legislature is considering would allow Georgia Power to charge customers for construction of a nuclear power plant - seven years before the plant goes into operation.
No matter how many perks and pleasures a people’s lobbyist could offer, it wouldn’t be enough. The Capitol grapevine has it that anything goes to induce our legislature to give the power company a prepaid nuclear outfit. It shouldn’t cost more than $25 billion, though the power company refuses to estimate the tab. Not even a people’s lobbyist armed with hundreds of concert tickets could slow down the power company’s high-speed digging into our wallets.
Alas, we have no such person. Gov. Barnes is just whistling in the dark about hiring a lobbyist for the people - or is he?
You might say the University of Georgia already is moving in that direction. In 2008, UGA hired at least four lobbyists to work the Capitol. One arm-twister was the former top aide to Zell Miller; another was Sen. Johnny Isakson’s and Speaker Romeo Richardson’s No. 1 handyman. Those persuasive Bulldogs spent more than $35,000 on lobbying activities in 2008, and that sum included no salaries. It must have gone for tickets to the ballet, because the football team wasn’t that good.
Just a few weeks ago, the Bulldog lobbying team reserved flying time for Rep. Doug McKillip, D-Athens, and state Sen. Ralph Hudgens, R-Hull, to travel to Orlando, Fla., to watch the Georgia football team win the Capital One Bowl. While not delivering a blowout victory for their honored guests, the lobbyists did pay for first-class hotel rooms, meals and, of course, the best seats in the stadium.
Please don’t misunderstand. Having a lobbyist for the Bulldogs is not a bad thing. The Dawgs need all the help they can get. Besides, an argument can be made that the red-and-black influence peddlers were handing out bowl tickets to make lawmakers feel friendlier toward our colleges. That could be counted as lobbying for the people, couldn’t it? Well, sort of.
So Barnes may have discovered a winning platform plank. There’s just one problem. A few voters are bound to claim we already have a high-priced team of people’s lobbyists. They’re called legislators and congressmen and -women. They’re supposed to represent us, and maybe they would do so if they were not so busy supping at the corporate trough.
By Peanut Man
February 8, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
How much money did Peanut Corporation of America give Saxby Chambliss? What did Saxby Chambliss do for the money?
By Churchill's MOM
February 8, 2009 9:30 AM | Link to this
deegee 8:58 AM
Get off our Gal’s back, you liberals are all alike.
By stalled
February 8, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this
Einstein considered himself a total failure on his death bed when he couldn’t fit gravity into the unification theory, where magnets and test tubes (chemical reactions) have equivalence.. It’s called radiation, electromagnetic radiation. It means that the laser, and the briefcase nuke, (and the stinkbomb) are from the exact same substance (when they’re detonated). Electricity is the same thing as the Hiroshima bomb. Light, electricity, and the H bomb are all equivalent. (but they’re measured in different frequencies, which implies time. Time is the variable. That allows this leap of logic into relativity. All forces of nature are the same. They come from the same place, because time is the variable. That allows you to plug the formulas. That’s why it’s still a theory. It’s cheating to plug formulas. Isn’t it?
Einstein explained gravity as space-time itself (at first). That is, there’s really no gravity, (other than as the generic term for space-time). Space-time is the quilt of the universe, including string theories and mini-black holes. The quilt is what makes time variable (by slowing down light as light makes it’s way through the quilt). Space is fixed, but time is the variable here. Space-time, as a word, implies a variable product of a fixed constant.
Einstein also believed in an elegant universe, which would imply that gravity does exist separately from space-time: a unification theory. He was scribbling a formula on his death bed. Furiously. Relativity is not enough. Einstein craved the supreme theory that would explain everything.
Relativity is not enough. ( Insanity is explaining the same motion theory to the same group of morons and expecting anything to change.) Time is the variable. Einstein plugged it. Einstein plugged the value for time, not caring what it was exactly; he only cared that it could be variable. That was the revolution in thought: Time passes differently for all of us, depending on our place in space-time.
That’s why you cant get reliable eyewitness testimony. We all experience an event at different rates of time.
Earth’s magnetic field, (produced by liquid metal in the earth’s core) interacts with the atmosphere of our sun, (yes, we are that close to the sun. We are in it’s atmosphere. We get everything the sun gives 24/7 365.) We are the sun.
We are the sun. We are magnetic. We are the ones who spin a better day, so charm electric. If we find the missing link, if we make war obsolete, if we can drive our cars to the moon, we are the sun.
Relativity wasn’t enough. OMG.
Jklol
By stalled
February 8, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this
Einstein considered himself a total failure on his death bed when he couldn’t fit gravity into the unification theory, where magnets and test tubes (chemical reactions) have equivalence.. It’s called radiation, electromagnetic radiation. It means that the laser, and the briefcase nuke, (and the stinkbomb) are from the exact same substance (when they’re detonated). Electricity is the same thing as the Hiroshima bomb. Light, electricity, and the H bomb are all equivalent. (but they’re measured in different frequencies, which implies time. Time is the variable. That allows this leap of logic into relativity. All forces of nature are the same. They come from the same place, because time is the variable. That allows you to plug the formulas. That’s why it’s still a theory. It’s cheating to plug formulas. Isn’t it?
Einstein explained gravity as space-time itself (at first). That is, there’s really no gravity, (other than as the generic term for space-time). Space-time is the quilt of the universe, including string theories and mini-black holes. The quilt is what makes time variable (by slowing down light as light makes it’s way through the quilt). Space is fixed, but time is the variable here. Space-time, as a word, implies a variable product of a fixed constant.
Einstein also believed in an elegant universe, which would imply that gravity does exist separately from space-time: a unification theory. He was scribbling a formula on his death bed. Furiously. Relativity is not enough. Einstein craved the supreme theory that would explain everything.
Relativity is not enough. ( Insanity is explaining the same motion theory to the same group of morons and expecting anything to change.) Time is the variable. Einstein plugged it. Einstein plugged the value for time, not caring what it was exactly; he only cared that it could be variable. That was the revolution in thought: Time passes differently for all of us, depending on our place in space-time.
That’s why you cant get reliable eyewitness testimony. We all experience an event at different rates of time.
Earth’s magnetic field, (produced by liquid metal in the earth’s core) interacts with the atmosphere of our sun, (yes, we are that close to the sun. We are in it’s atmosphere. We get everything the sun gives 24/7 365.) We are the sun.
We are the sun. We are magnetic. We are the ones who spin a better day, so charm electric. If we find the missing link, if we make war obsolete, if we can drive our cars to the moon, we are the sun.
Relativity wasn’t enough. OMG.
Jklol
By stalled
February 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Link to this
What if your life is a leaky toilet, and nobody ever jiggles your handle?
Can it get any worse? I’m going to surprise an open mike on monday. Now, I’ve never grabbed the mic from the stand. I’m too afraid of the mic. I’m probably more afraid of the mic than I am of say, emoticons. I’m frightened to death of emoticons. they’re weird. they mock me. they’re mean to me too.
Anyway, I’m going to open with the several one liners I’ve written here over the last four days. I’m doing that as a market research tool, that is, will anyone in the audience have heard the bit that I’ve only just created here.
I’m the new George Carlin, except I didn’t sell out. He sold out early on and when he mea culpa’d he stopped being funny. I dont think Carlin was funny until his last few years. He was a funny sellout, then did the seven words and the stuff, funny funny, but there was a long stretch where I could not listen to him anymore. (1982-2005). He was tedious, not funny. He went on his own brand of the Einstein Search for the Unification Theory. He kept talking about finding words that have a triple threat to them in terms of entendre.
What he didn’t understand is that every man can find these words just by being there and interacting, and listening, and being humble like a child, and loving humanity. Let Christ return and punish us all, but till then, let us be kind.
be kind. 24/7 365. be kind. Don’t vogue kind. be kind. Don’t tithe kind. be kind. Don’t pray kind. That’s what a rock does. A rock cant do anything un-rock like. Neither can a bird do anything that’s not bird-like. But a mouse, my friends, a mouse can do so many ungodly things. naughty things. I feel I must sing a song about my very fine mouse now…….my mouse is a very very very fine mouse. with 2 catz in the yard….hey! what happened to my mouse?
Jklol
ps. I have to mention Blago here. He is the new Clinton and what a future this guy has. Full denial. Wow. He shines like a brown dwarf.
By REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP
February 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this
NOTICE THAT YOU DUMB REDNECKS VOTED FOR SUXBY SHAMELESS,AND LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR GEORGIA THE SUGAR CANE FACTORY THAT WAS BLOWN UP SUXBY HIDE ALL THE COMPLAINTS FOR THAT COMPANY, AND LOOK AT THE GEORGIA PEANUT FACTORY WHICH THE OWNER IS A SUXBY SUPPORTER, AND HE WAS ALLOWED TO SELL HIS INFECTED PEANUTS.
P.S. YOU RACIST HILLBILLIES HERE IN GEORGIA,IF THIS HAPPEN UNDER MAX CLELAND OR ROY BARNES WATCH,YOU BACKWOODS HICKS FROM RURAL NORTH AND SOUTH GEORGIA ARE FAKE CHRISTIANS BIBLE THUMPING UNDERCOVER GAYS WOULD CRY FOUL, BUT SINCE ALL THESE FOOD PROBLEMS ARE UNDER GOP LEADERSHIP YOU DONT HEAR ONE THING FROM THESE NEO-NAZIS.
IM GLAD THAT GEORGIA IS 50TH IN THE NATION IN EDUCATION BECAUSE YOU HICKS SHOW THE WORLD HOW STUPID YOU ARE.
By GaLiberal
February 8, 2009 11:40 AM | Link to this
**Moron Jim said In 1960, 5.3 percent of children were born to unmarried women. By 1970, it had doubled to 10.7 percent. In another decade, it was 18.4. By 1990, it was up to 28 percent. By 2005, it was up to 36.8, highest ever.
For whites, 25.4 percent of babies born in 2005 came into the world without married parents. For Hispanics, it’s 47.9. For blacks, it’s 69.5.**
Just what are you trying to say Moron Jim? That whites are better than Hispanics or blacks? Or that Hispanics and blacks are less moral than whites? This is just more of your racist Rethuglicon rant about single mothers. You’re not concerned about the children as you speciously claim. You and your Rethuglicon butt-sniffers are more concerned about your taxes. You and your Rethughlicon butt-sniffers eliminated social programs aimed at reducing single mothers all to cut your taxes. You and your Rethuglicon butt-sniffers have made abortion so restrictive and expensive that many have no other option so they have unwanted children. You and your Rethuglicon butt-sniffers actions have had significant adverse consequences, but you claim your hands are clean and it’s not your fault. These people are just have the wrong moral values. Only God-fearing White people have the right moral values. Only white people understand that only married people should have children.
You criticize this woman for “intentionally brought 14 children into the world, children who will never know their father.” Yet that’s exactly what the religoNazis want. For her to have “aborted” some of the “unborn children” would be equal to murder. You and your Rethuglicon butt-sniffers have jumped into bed with them so Rethuglicons can get elected. All so you can cut your taxes. Well, Moron Jim, how much has your tax cuts cost society? You don’t care about society as long as you get rich. More of the same old ‘f***’ Rethuglicon mantra.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Moron Jim’s double standard is living proof.
By kim
February 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure why people are deeming this act as belonging to one party or another. Conservatives are just a guilty as anyone else in ogling at as many babies as possible under every circumstance that exists. I’m liberal and I find that what she did was completely appalling and totally irresponsible. The point is, this woman is completely obsessed with fulfilling some empty hole in her life with as many children as she can produce. And no one stepped in to say how crazy this idea was. No one thought of what kind of life her kids would have or what it would cost society. The government needs to put restrictions on how much money it gives through medicaid depending on how many children people have.
By william dewey price
February 8, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this
In my opinion, the physician who permitted this woman into a fertility program and did this procedure should have his license removed. Moreover, every child should have the legal right to have his father identified at birth. There are medical and economic reasons for this — and the father (sperm donor) should share in the economic responsibility of caring for his offspring.
By deegee
February 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this
I guess if Cayman had his way the economic stimulus package would consist of a U.S. military invasion of Russia.
By Pat
February 9, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this
I’m as liberal as they come - and I don’t know in what fantasy world someone would think liberals approve of this selfish, deeply disturbed woman’s actions. Substitute “kittens” for her “children” in her statements, and the ASPCA would probably have her arrested her as one of those crazy cat ladies found with 100 felines in her home. The ancillary fantasy - that libs love and encourage fatherless families - is another whopper. Who, pray tell, thinks so? Only the most ardent hardcore man-hating “urban legend” feminist would broach such an argument. I’ve done women’s rights work for years, and have known maybe 2 such animals. Of course kids need advocates - that costs money, and you Repubs don’t spend money to help kids, remember? Of course the fertility doctors who greedily pocketed the cash from this deserve steep fines if not suspension of their licenses. I know this is the “blame liberals” column, but get serious.
What we DO say is this: there’s a difference between punishing the children of single women and encouraging marriage. And encouraging marriage, sadly, isn’t a panacea. The same bad decision-making that leads to unmarried women giving birth also leads them to make atrocious choices in male partners. A boozing or drug-addicted husband who beats his wife and kids is a minus, not a plus. Any woman who loved her kids and had more than 1 brain cell would opt to stay single.
I’ve heard people say that these octuplets shouldn’t get a cent of public money. But fact is, innocent children often have stupid parents. Find a way to punish the parents, and not the kids, and you might have something there.
By Single Mom
February 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Link to this
HELLOOOO? A responsible doctor would not think of stuffing six embryos into a woman who already has six children. A responsible doctor would say, “Go home and take care of your kids, lady. I have patients who need me.”
GREED caused this unfortunate situation: a woman for whom enough is never enough, and a doctor who cares only for his own success rate.
And yet, as usual, MR. WOOTEN puts the blame squarely on the evil of “single mothers” and the members of society who do not drag us into the town square and lock us in a dunking booth where good, solid Republicans can come by on their lunch hour to try to drown us for 50 cents a shot. Once again, go Cheney yourself Mr. Wooten. That woman and her doctor have nothing to do with the rest of us.
By Melinda
February 9, 2009 4:59 PM | Link to this
OK…I saw the interview with Curry….Did anyone else out there start to get the WTF feeling when you looked at the Suleman womans face? I swear she looks like she is trying to imitate Angelina Jolie. The hair, the eye makeup and the huge silicon injected lips. Even the way she was talking. OMG… I think she is crazier than we realize. Hopefully DEFACS will step in and not let her take those kids home if she cannot take care of them. Last I heard she is trying to sell her story for 2 Million. But it seems no one is really that interested as it is all surrounded by a mother that seems unbalanced. Even the diaper companies are not donating. I think she was planning on a big windfall and I don’t think it will turn out that way. Even her own mother has turned on her and said she doesn’t take care of the 6 at home already.
By Adnilem
February 9, 2009 5:09 PM | Link to this
Maybe she’s hoping Angelina will adopt half a dozen or so of them.
By Herbert
February 10, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this
I deeply feel this is just another example of how the basic civil rights of fathers and children have being violated for to long. Sad when there’s fifteen or twenty government sponsored agencies and/or non-profit organization working to help administers welfare program, child support enforcement system, Head Start programs, and assists low-income families, however there isn’t a single program designed and paid for with taxpayers dollars to supported fathers and children’s rights in the country. There needs to be a program created to encourages shared parenting and works to protect equal rights - as well as equal responsibilities - of both parents in raising their children. After all, a child needs more than just a support check from daddy. It is a child’s god-given right to be nurtured, and protected by two parents - a mother and a father for their physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual well-being. Also, children who have equal access and opportunity with both parents, and the right to have decisions made by will end up better off than the judgments made by one bad parent.
By Herbert
February 10, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this
I deeply feel this is just another example of how the basic civil rights of fathers and children have being violated for to long. Sad when there’s fifteen or twenty government sponsored agencies and/or non-profit organization working to help administers welfare program, child support enforcement system, Head Start programs, and assists low-income families, however there isn’t a single program designed and paid for with taxpayers dollars to supported fathers and children’s rights in the country. There needs to be a program created to encourages shared parenting and works to protect equal rights - as well as equal responsibilities - of both parents in raising their children. After all, a child needs more than just a support check from daddy. It is a child’s god-given right to be nurtured, and protected by two parents - a mother and a father for their physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual well-being. Also, children who have equal access and opportunity with both parents, and the right to have decisions made by will end up better off than the judgments made by one bad parent.