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DEL.ICIO.USNo-consequence responsibility
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Janet Reno’s back. The language may be a bit coarser, but just as the former Attorney General took “responsibility” for the debacle at the Branch Davidian compound at Waco where 82 people died in 1993, President Barack Obama declares he is taking responsibility for the failed confirmation of Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer.
Both Daschle, nominated to be Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Killefer, nominated to be the administration’s chief performance officer, withdrew because of tax troubles.
“I screwed up,” said Obama, using a coarse synonym for “failed” or “mishandled” — an offense prominent people in public life really should avoid when acknowledging error of judgment or omission. “I take responsibility for this mistake.”
As has become customary in public life, taking responsibility is without consequence, as was the case with Reno. It’s a phrase that means nothing more than: “Get this story off the front pages and move on to something that’s either more favorable, or less harmful, to my image.”
In this instance, the failure by Daschle and Killefer to pay income taxes owed drew attention to the business-as-usual world of Washington where prominent politicians like Daschle get rich off their name and political connections. It also drew attention to the administration’s vetting process that failed to uncover the two nominees’ tax problems.
Daschle paid $140,167 in back taxes and interest just last month for deducting more in charitable contributions than he gave, for the personal use of a car and driver and for consulting work. It is interesting about liberals that they insist on heaping the costs of charity onto taxpayers — as they’re now doing in the $900 billion bill they’re deceitfully calling “economic stimulus” — but they weave-and-dodge on their obligation to share the burden. Their notion is that “the rich” — and they’re not, no matter their income — should pay and the designated “poor” should receive.
By now, with a Republican in the White House, the tax scandals surrounding nominees would have been linked as evidence that wealthy supporters and the politically-connected constituted a culture of corruption in Washington. But that was before “change” came to DC and before a courageous man stood before the cameras and said “I take responsibility,” lest the little people in America get the idea that there are “two sets of rules — you know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes.” For the record, the President affirms, “there aren’t.”
Comments
By DB, Gwinnettian
February 4, 2009 8:28 AM | Link to this
“By now, with a Republican in the White House, the tax scandals surrounding nominees would have been linked as evidence that wealthy supporters and the politically-connected constituted a culture of corruption in Washington”
Isn’t that what you and about a million other right-wing complainers are doing right this moment?
By Churchill's MOM
February 4, 2009 8:30 AM | Link to this
Another Liberal after our Girl, Is this stupid or what. My husband killed a Moose last year and it was great, hope he draws another tag this year.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has a new foe — Ashley Judd.
Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, with a hand from the actress, has launched a Web-based campaign targeting Palin over her environmental record.
In a video premiering on the organization’s new website, EyeOnPalin.org, Judd takes aim at Palin for allegedly promoting the aerial killing of wolves in Alaska — and goes so far as to accuse Palin of proposing bounties for severed forelegs of killed wolves.
“It is time to stop Sarah Palin and stop this senseless savagery,” Judd says in the ad.
It’s not the first time Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, a progressive environmental organization, has taken aim at Palin over the aerial killings. During the presidential campaign, Defenders launched a national television ad campaign focused on the topic.
In a statement announcing the launch of the anti-Palin campaign, Judd says she is “outraged by Sarah Palin’s promotion of this cruel, unscientific and senseless practice which has no place in modern America.”
“Because she is apparently determined to continue and expand this horrific program, I am grateful that Defenders will aggressively fight to stop her. I am proud to be a part of that effort,” Judd says.
By Copyleft
February 4, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this
Hee, hee! A President who actually admits mistakes and apologizes for them, AND who takes ethics seriously. How refreshing!
Now THAT’s a change we can believe in. You know full well that in the Bush era, the response would have been arrogant dismissal, or even silence.
Welcome back, Constitution. We’ve missed you!
By Unbelievable!
February 4, 2009 8:40 AM | Link to this
The below is absolute proof that stupid is forever: Bad idea for feds to limit executive pay
Recent news reports have told us the Obama administration is planning to restrict executive pay at financial institutions that have received TARP funds. Although this sounds reasonable at first glance, the effect of this plan, if carried out throughout these firms, will destroy incentives and cause a migration of key producers to financial institutions not under the control of the federal government.
Successful companies grow and continue to be successful through the vision, skills and effort of their leaders and other key people. If the government feels entitled to fund and now actually run these firms, they will lose key people and the value of the firms will fall over time, leaving taxpayers worse off than before.
RODGER M. WEST
Marietta
Anydamnbody can run companies into the dirt like these “key” people the idiot above idolizes. What was it Merrill Lynch’s “key” mammajamma Thain lost in 08? 37 BILLION dollars? I’ll tell you what Rodger. The next time one of these houses of prostitution on Wall Street needs a “key” person I volunteer. Hell’s bells! I’ll even do it for a paltry 1 mil a year. I guarandamn T ya that I could sit there and play on the internet all day, do absolutely nothing and lose less than Thain did. “Key” people my azz! You sure have some lofty standards Rodger West.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 8:50 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. By any objective standard, there is nothing unusual about thieving democrats. Whether we are discussing the misleaders at FNMA (Jim Johnson $21 million, Jaime Gorelick $26.5 million, Franklin Raines $90 million), Citicorp (Robert Rubin $115 million), or lobbyists like Tom Daschle’s wife (they made their fortune when he was the Senate Majority Leader), we all know democrats are going to make their fortunes by raiding the taxpayers. Presumably that is the real purpose of the “stimulus” bill, to create a new pile of funds from which democrats can dispense favors and extract pocket money.
I don’t have a serious objection to the President acknowledging he “screwed up,” whether we are discussing the concept or the lingua franca. While nominating thieves to a position of public trust ought to be a profound embarrassment, I don’t think voters had any particular illusions about the likely results when they voted in November. That is the way democrats do business. I desperately wish the President were acknowledging a “screw-up” on the stimulus bill, and frankly that would be more forgiveable from my perspective. Everyone knows that any potential democrat appointee to government is a thief – that is their sole reason to get into government – but wild spending bills are not such an element of nature – those are strictly man-made and “of the moment.” President Obama is capable of doing better, but this may be a failure of “will.” Welcome to Chicago.
Dick Armey – an economist who debased himself by serving in Congress, but then that would be true of almost any profession other than automobile sales - publishes an essay I wish I had written, Washington Could Use Less Keynes and More Hayek Armey destroys Keynesianism without even mentioning the employer “disincentive” effects of the democrats’s broad taxing and regulatory agenda – the essay is narrowly focused on the disaster lurking within any massive spending bill. I suppose the “Obama Stimulus” is certainly a change we better believe in – most of us are unfamiliar with life in the third world, and that is where we are headed. Perversely, President Obama is telling us the truth when he says it may take years for the economy to recover. If Armey is on target - why do I even bother with the conditional “if?” - it may take decades to recover from the “stimulus.”
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 8:55 AM | Link to this
Much better, wooten, but the, ” If this were a republican administration, then….” is such a cliche now. The liberals used it too much for eight years. If the democrats were the ones who invaded iraq, then….it’s also a specious argument.
Is Obama a lame duck just two weeks in? Desperately, The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee began attack radio ads against House republicans for their unanimity against the stimulus package.
The Appeal to muslims before he appealed to americans; These tax cheating nominees; Conservatives may see an opening and go for the kill against Obama and that means the stimulus package is DOA.
Mathematically, it was only a matter of time before a lame duck president appeared as soon as he was sworn in. You see, a new congress always “imprints” as it matures and follows the first president they see. That’s why they call it oversight. That’s why there should be congressional term limits of three or four terms, ensuring a fresh supply of impressionable ducklings. The only duck a new congress wont follow is a lame duck.
instead they mock the lame duck with mimicked stutter steps and limps.
But they wont follow.
By ron
February 4, 2009 8:57 AM | Link to this
Good morning,---I will say that the Obama people have learned one lesson well;that the cover-up is worse than the crime.For that you have to give them credit.It's very easy for Obama to take responsibility for all the sins of his appointees as no one is in a position to actually hold him responsible.These actions will do quite well as an appearance of being ethical.And that's all they are;an appearance.By Multi Site GM
February 4, 2009 8:57 AM | Link to this
I have to agree with Unbelievable. Guys like John Thain and others of his ilk are good for one thing. Moving money, much of it not real, around Wall Street. When they run out of accounting tricks basically they’re cooked. Most of this so called top talent has not one iota of skill when it actually comes to running or growing a business or creqating jobs. When their smoke and mirror scams, tricks, accounting schemes, and cons run their course the end result is exactly what we have in this country now. The best thing that could happen to this country now is to end the day of the slick accounting CEO and turn these companies over to real business managers that can run, grow, and perpetuate a business for the long haul. The quarter to quarter mindset that breeds and nurtures maggots like Thain has absolutely killed this economy and done untold damage to the security and well being of this great nation.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 8:58 AM | Link to this
Closely related items:
(1) Didn’t Steve Martin have a routine, “how you can avoid paying taxes?” The punchline, recited by the tax cheat after the evadion is detected, says “I forgot!”
(2) Don’t we routinely read stories where juries punish harshly purse thieves who decline to “apologize,” yet go light on murderers who apologize for their actions? Actions should have consequences proportionate to the actions, without only minimal regard for expressed “remorse.”
By Get Real
February 4, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this
At least he isn’t like W. who couldn’t think of one mistake he made during 8 years in office. Even if he hadn’t taken the necessary steps to accept responsibility, Wooten’s post would not have changed one bit. He just got the fax of his talking points from Rush, and thats why his blog was posted so late today. He had to through something together, screw the deadline. John McCain had a lien placed on one of his many properties in CA for failure to pay property taxes. Wooten, trumpeting his inner hack, would like to make one believe that republicans all pay their taxes. If Wooten was any sort of journalist he would add an aside stating that it was one Bob Dole who recruited Daschle to go to work for Alston & Bird, after he lost his senate reelection bid. But of course, what are facts to old man Wooten. Name one senator Wooten, democrat or republican, that hasn’t gone on to work for private interests upon leaving office? If you don’t pay taxes you shouldn’t be appointed to the cabinet, democrats agree, yet Wooten’s biased charade is a 20th century ploy in a 21st century world. He’s outdated and the AJC agrees. As long as plump sheep like Dusty can be deceived into believing everything Wooten says, he’ll still have a job. At least until the summer when he’ll be traded in for a new model republican. To the used car lot you go Wooten.
By Copyleft
February 4, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this
I’m surprised Ragnar has a problem with so-called “tax cheats.” After all, he’s regularly declared that
ONE: Taxation is “government theft at gunpoint” and
TWO: He has utter contempt for the law.
So tax cheats should be Ragnar’s heroes! What’s going on here? (snicker)
By GOP Big Money
February 4, 2009 9:17 AM | Link to this
Lazard, the independent investment bank run by Bruce Wasserstein, said Wednesday that its fourth-quarter profit fell about 50 percent as its mainstay businesses of advising on deals and managing money suffered from the market turmoil.* But its bankruptcy advisory unit saw a 46 percent jump in revenue.*
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 9:18 AM | Link to this
Wooten is probably writing a book, or something. He’s not spending any time on his pieces here.
maybe he’s writing a novel like Ginrich did. Maybe he’ll even use the word, “athwart”.
remember that?
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 9:21 AM | Link to this
Dear Multisite @ 8:57, “When their smoke and mirror scams, tricks, accounting schemes, and cons run their course the end result is exactly what we have in this country now.” Sounds like a line from Dr. Williams’s essay today on social security. Are you talking about the democrat Congress or TARP (and its newer bigger cousin, the Stimulus Bill?) Surely we can agree that the private industry thieves are small potatoes compared to those at FNMA who caused the current distress?
By GOP Big Money
February 4, 2009 9:21 AM | Link to this
Station Casinos announced late Tuesday that it will seek bondholders’ approval for a prepackaged bankruptcy, as the highly indebted casino operator skipped a $14.6 million interest payment due Tuesday.
By GOP Big Money
February 4, 2009 9:22 AM | Link to this
Wind and solar power have been growing at a blistering pace in recent years, and that growth seemed likely to accelerate under the green-minded Obama administration. But because of the credit crisis and the broader economic downturn, the opposite is happening: installation of wind and solar power is plummeting.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Dear copyleft @ 9:15, good morning, where did you get the impression that I am distressed by tax cheats? Just because I quoted from a comedy routine? For the record, I think “tax cheats” are in a class with money launderers and drug dealers, and one notch worse than illegal immigrants and interstate speeders. But generally a notch better than members of the house appropriations committee and similar thieves and elected officials.
By Peter
February 4, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this
Gosh JIm……..
Who is taking Responsibility for the (2) WARS we have…………REPUBLICAN’S should and how about the 3 Trillion it will cost American Tax Payers…….You know your grand kids!
Who is taking Responsibility for the Bilking of America by Dick Cheney’s cost plus contracts to his buddies ? You know Jim….companies could take employees on vacation, and Bill American Tax Payers !
Who is taking Responsibility for 911…..it happened under Bush’s WATCH ?
Who is taking Responsibility for Bin Laden being Free, after attacking America ? Thus allowing Al Qaida to get stronger, and causing the problems in Afghanistan ?
Who is responsible for saying……”Mission Accomplished” Jim ?
Who is Responsible for American Being in A Recession Jim….Bush ran the country for 8 years ?
Who is responsible for America to be in a huge deficit, Jim……..Bush didn’t come into office with a deficit ?
Who is responsible for Unemployment Jim……Bush over saw the economy for 8 years ?
Don’t start with Responsibility Jim…….
Republican’s = ZERO RESPONSIBILITY !
OH the Consequences…….Gee Yes… Both Bush and Cheney should be Indited as well !
By John
February 4, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this
Well Bush and his administration made a career out of “taking responsibility” without any consequences at all, so you hardly need to reach back to Janet Reno for further examples. And this is not even in the same universe as that Branch Dravidian fiasco. What consequences should Obama suffer? Should he resign because his appointee was a tax deadbeat? It is certainly more than a little alarming that so many of these people are cheating on their taxes and that is not acceptable, but the responsible parties are the tax cheats themselves, not Obama, and those are the ones who should be held accountable, where appropriate.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this
Hilarious, the leftists are all “defending” the screw-ups by comparing them to the worst of the past eight years. Hey guys, Obama has only been in two weeks. Surely you don’t think he comparable to the worst of the past eight years? Can’t we hear a defense here? Or perhaps there is none, only waving the “bloody flag?”
By Davo
February 4, 2009 9:39 AM | Link to this
Leave it to Wooten to slam a guy for admitting to his error and following through with his promise to hold people accountable.
Go back to the wilderness, pal. You’ve learned nothing in 2 weeks time.
By Road Scholar
February 4, 2009 9:40 AM | Link to this
So there is a double standard for Republicans and Democrats. I think not. Stating or implying that all demos are tax cheats can be constued that all Repubs are homos and cheaters on their spouse (remember the Idaho Senator Craig and Vitter). How absurd.
And that now the Obama term is “lame duck”! How lame! Isn’t refreshing that someone steps up, takes charge, and admits his mistakes? This is called leadership..something you conserves have no clue about. And I’m not talking about the “Leadership” that you think Rush has alledgedly shown. He’s an entertainer who has not had to make a decision lately that affects our nation, except signing the huge contract to distribute his drivel on the air.
So what if it “gets it off the air”? The nomination is over, done, finished. Move on. Or would the Repubs want to wallow in it instead of getting back to fix America? If that is the case, why not open investigations into the Bush Admin concerning their decision making? Again move on!
As for the Stimulist package…it’s like making sausage…you really don’t want to know until it’s finished being made. Don’t get me wrong, there is unneeded items in the present bill that need to be deleted and debated later.
More infrastructure spending will translate into jobs, but some must realize that the long term outlook/strategy must also be considered. Such as the Transportation bill is up for renewal this year. Decisions made must consider the future bill and the sources of revenue it will use. Overly front loading the Stimulist bill with transportation items will only drive up the cost and limit its effectiveness to be delivered promptly.
By Howard
February 4, 2009 9:43 AM | Link to this
Jim…a few words on this column will sum up liberals: “Liberals are a bunch of hypocritical, busy-bodies…who know the best way to run YOUR life…and spend YOUR money.” No more needs to be said why things happen in Obamanation or with the Clintonistas or with the media or Hollywood. That definition says it all for these domestic terrorists who will take this country completely down to the bottom from the inside. Islamist terrorist need not attack us…we’re doing their job for them!!!
By Peter
February 4, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this
Hey………By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this
“Hilarious, the leftists are all “defending” the screw-ups by comparing them to the worst of the past eight years.”
Please tell us the “Good stuff” from the last 8 years……and how it translates to………. HOW POSITIVE all is IN AMERICA TODAY !
Thank you !
By Redneck Convert
February 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Link to this
Well, all this checking of taxes got me mighty jumpy. If they keep going at it they’ll find out I listed old Ace and little Spot as my kids on my tax return along with little Sonny Zell George. I even made up SS numbers for them. They don’t never check SS numbers or else all the illegals would be caught and hauled out of here. It’s for sure I don’t want to show up in front of a bunch of big-shots and get grilled about my taxes. On TV, no less.
Anyhow, I don’t understand some of the stuff they print. Like this Daschle getting a limo and driver lent to him for a couple years and owing taxes on it. Does that mean if I loan my Ford F-450 to Joe Bill for a few weeks he has to say it’s income? It’s for sure we need the Flat Tax to get rid of some of this brain-puzzling stuff. Just take the taxes out at the store when you buy stuff. That will get rid of the tax cheats.
Maybe I shouldn’t say nothing about the Flat Tax. It will bring all the tax nuts out from under their rock and we’ll get more squealing about the tax system again. Besides, just when Raghead has stopped his bawling about the Capital Gains Tax Wooten has to bring up taxes again and set him off. And somebody’s bound to bring up Ron Paul. Then all we’ll need is TFTT to get loose from the mental hospitle to start calling the librul Democrats names again.
Have a good day everybody.
By Donovan
February 4, 2009 9:58 AM | Link to this
In a world crowded with liberals and their deceitful agenda, I do want to thank Jim Wooten for his contribution of being a culture warrior in the fight against these lunatics. Unfortunately, this country decided to once again cave into the effective propaganda of the left and elect the wrong people to run this country. As you can see from the disgraceful “grab bag” antics that the Democrats have perpetrated on us, their agenda is fundamentally bad for America. To all you liberal responders to this blog site…shame on you and wake up.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this
Our genial host’s short-hand condemnation of the President’s inelegant language prompts a couple of thoughts, on the left-right divide in “communications.” If one asked a conservative for a definition, the response would be something along the line of “exhange or dissemination of ideas.” If one asked a leftist for a definition, the response would be closer to “capacity to inflame or cool passions, as appropriate.”
An active study of the definitions derives from a contrast of the past administration and the current one. The inarticulate President Bush 43 delivered many powerful ideas – intention to close sanctuaries for evildoers, to chase them wherever they go, to free the people of Iraq from their enslaver, to isolate the axis of evil, to praise the military for accomplishing its mission. Memorable ideas all, easily understood if often disputed in the partisan divide.
In contrast, the present resident of the oval office (and, perhaps curiously, the one immediately preceding 43) are “schlickmeisters” people who talk inspiringly without ever saying anything. The current president has delivered many highly praised speeches, but with no memorable ideas other than “change,” the same word that animated the election of President Clinton. Excluding bawdy activities and defense of same, can anyone remember any idea ever delivered by President Clinton?
I suspect that President Obama continues his “communication” by acknowledging the “screw-up” – he thus “communicates” effectively with his audience, in that he is soothing passions. A conservative would communicate with a “post mortem,” a detailed analysis of how the error happened and what will prevent recurrence. Democrats merely say, “I’m sorry” or “I forgot.”
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 10:07 AM | Link to this
Dear Peter @ 9:41, I realize the ancient cultural reference - “waving the bloody flag” – flew right past you. In post-reconstruction America, every time a democrat would condemn a republican excess, the republican scoundrel would accuse the democrats of fomenting the civil war, thus to avoid addressing the real topic. You (and our other leftist brethren) are doing the same, apologizing for Obama by making allegations against a former president. “Irrelevancy” is a way of life for leftists (note the logically similar chronic inability to grasp the relevance of business incentives as an element of economic prospects,) and as I suggest in my essay immediately above, should be expected as an element of leftist argument.
By Davo
February 4, 2009 10:12 AM | Link to this
I bet Wooten is still upset with Elvis over his gyrating hips as well.
I pity you neo-cons and your dainty, prudish sensabilities. Where was all this outrage over the proper use of English during W’s reign of error?
By Andy the Welcher
February 4, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this
Regardless of whether or not there were consequences, it’s refreshing to see our officials admitting to error… That’s something we haven’t had the last 8 years. (WMD’s, Heckuva job Brownie, Mission Accomplished, Plame, Federal Attnys, etc…)
As Rag opines: “A conservative would communicate with a “post mortem,” a detailed analysis of how the error happened and what will prevent recurrence.”
I find myself wondering when Bush will deliver his “post mortem” or was the flurry of press conferences in his last weeks just that? If it was, they were shy on the details in the “detailed analysis” that Rag says is the hallmark of conservative governance, and subsequently how to prevent further occurence.
Don’t bet with Andy because Andy’s a Welcher…
ew
By Andy the Welcher
February 4, 2009 10:19 AM | Link to this
Jim…a few words on this column will sum up Conservatives: “Conservatives are a bunch of hypocritical, busy-bodies…who know the best way to run YOUR life…and spend YOUR money.” No more needs to be said why things happen in Bushnation or with the TedHaggardistas or with the evangelicals or on Wall Street. That definition says it all for these domestic terrorists who have taken this country completely down to the bottom from the inside.
Just don’t bet with Andy because Andy is a Welcher, I’m trying to decide if that makes all conservatives welchers…
ew
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this
Dear Andy @ 10:14, exhibit 1 – the Federal response to Katrina. Even you will surely remember the administration’s Latin defense and explanation, without my reminder.
By Peter
February 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this
Hey By Ragnar Danneskjöld ……Blah Blah Blah……..
Tell us the Good News from the last 8 years……. PLEASE !
Tell us how Bin Laden has been caught, and America is now safer because of Bush and the Jerk Big Moth Cheney.
No comment…….nothing to say ?
No good news from the last 8 years ? Lay it out for us Please !
Tell us how Cheney’s office with cost Plus contracts was “GOOD” for America, and how these companies that got paid big Money to take employees on vacations………. via American Tax Payers Money was “GOOD” for America, and made America…… “Safer” !
Please we a waiting on the SPIN……..!
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 10:39 AM | Link to this
Lets just all agree to blame Jimmy Carter and move on.
By Churchill's MOM
February 4, 2009 10:46 AM | Link to this
Jim why can’t the AJC get your commentary linked to the home page. The morning paper up here says Billy Morris is going to bankrupt his papers, can the AJC be far behind? get your retirement in a lump sum.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 10:59 AM | Link to this
“You know how Congress is. They’ll vote for anything if the thing they vote for will turn around and vote for them. Politics ain’t nothing but reciprocity.” —American humorist Will Rogers (1879-1935)
“Tom Daschle, whom President Obama wants as secretary of health and human services, apparently did not pay $128,000 in taxes that he owes the government. Did you realize President Obama hasn’t had a cabinet member with an embarrassing tax problem like this since the last guy he appointed?” – Jay Leno
Dear Peter @ 10:23, I realize my ancient cultural reference - “waving the bloody flag” – flew right past you. In post-reconstruction America, every time a democrat would condemn a republican excess, the republican scoundrel would accuse the democrats of fomenting the civil war, thus to avoid addressing the real topic. You (and our other leftist brethren) are doing the same, apologizing for Obama by making allegations against a former president. That form of argument is illegitimate, but then illegitimacy is an integral element of leftism.
By Recreational flatulence
February 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Link to this
Screwed and suck are no longer coarse. Now, if he said, “I f&%$^d up,” that would still be coarse. At least this week.
By Rich
February 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Link to this
The dupes that voted for Obama might buy his crap but I’m not. What he meant to say was “I knew exactly what I was doing with these nominations. I was HOPING the ignorant masses wouldn’t notice.
Next on his list of political fiascos will be The Fairness Doctrine. Can’t have the people knowing what he’s up to.
By Recreational flatulence
February 4, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this
“but then illegitimacy is an integral element of leftism.”
I love how you can call them b@$tards in a non-coarse way. You write, I learn.
By The Anti-Wooten
February 4, 2009 11:24 AM | Link to this
After the bumbling and buffoonery that passed for English language skills in our former POTUS it takes a lot of gall to say ANYTHING about the wording choice of President Obama.
Then let’s speak for a moment about the apology itself, Bush and Cheney’s idea of an apology was “Go F**k Yourself” which they used often to the American people. Wootenanny, retire now, you’re a hack Repiglican.
By Copyleft
February 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this
You’re lying again, Ragnar. Of course, by now it’s a reflex with you.
“A conservative would communicate with a “post mortem,” a detailed analysis of how the error happened and what will prevent recurrence.”
Wrong. As we’ve seen with the Bush administration, the only proper response to a mistake is to deny it, repeatedly, and to pin medals on those involved. In fact, Bush fought the investigation of 9/11 tooth and nail until he was forced to accept it—hardly the “post-mortem” you propose.
I suppose you’ll reply with the usual dodge—“I’m not talking about Republicans or Bush, I’m talking about CONSERVATIVES—the imaginary, perfect people that exist only in my head and tell me how things really work.” And, of course, you’re welcome to your fantasies. (Heck, Libertarians specialize in them!)
The rest of us, however, have to deal with reality. And the reality is that Obama has admitted his mistake and corrected it, while the Republicans snipe impotently and ignorantly from the sidelines. As always.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Link to this
Dear Copyleft @ 11:29, I think it not inconsistent with the essay’s theme to suggest that conservatives understand that the past cannot be changed; leftists, in contrast, whine endlessly about past slights and perceived historic injuries, for no reason other than their congenital need to depress everyone in sight. Except to the extent that the past suggests a path through the future – “post-mortem” - there is little intelligent reason to spend time on the past. In the example of today’s essay, I question the intellectual basis of President Obama’s “apology” without any meaningful analysis (“How can he prevent recurrence of nomination of unqualified candidates?” “Who should be vetting candidates?” “Why do all appointable democrats cheat on their taxes?”)
By The Anti-Wooten
February 4, 2009 11:45 AM | Link to this
Ragnar, keeping an accurate accounting and preserving historical accuracy is not whining. If we forget our mistakes we’re doomed to repeat them as evidenced by the fact that ~51 million idiots re-elected GWB.
By JLK
February 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, WHY DO YOU HATE COPS? I have yet to read anything positive in your column about the men and women who put their lives on the line to enforce the laws of this land so you can sleep snug in your bed at night.
Interesting how your kind loves to bring up the seige at Waco as some kind of horrible government intrusion onto the freedoms of regular, peace-loving Americans. If I were a family member of one of the FOUR ATF AGENTS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY, I would be highly offended that you and your ilk seem to think their lives and deaths are unworthy of mention.
Janet Reno did not make the laws those agents were attempting to enforce when they were killed, nor did the agents (now de-pah-ted). They were enforcing laws that exist to protect us, laws which, if you don’t like, you should write to your congressman about. No one thinks the deaths of those innocent children were anything but deplorable, but making Koresh and his child-molesting, arsenal-creating cultists into martyrs is a kick in the teeth to all the people who risk their lives to protect you.
By BS Aplenty
February 4, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this
Obama can’t even get through his initial appointments without “wiffing” on the tax issue. You’d think the Democrats would understand the tax code they approve. Next stop, Shawshank State Prison in Maine. I hear they’ve got a convict who knows how to do taxes…
Dick Cheney’s correct in his assertions to ABC News. He estimates that al-Qaeda terrorists will effect a strike on U.S. interests during the Obama administration. It’s in the nature of the inexperienced politician that they project weakness and invite attack. I hope Mr. Cheney’s wrong, alas, my family planning now must contemplate such events.
Ragnar you are, indeed, correct. The country’s heading for third world status. I would hope the financial and human capital would not flee quickly as I hope to delay the inevitable results of socialist economic policies. My ultimate solution is that we should all become Mormons.
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
February 4, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
So are you suggesting that this latest round of predictable apologies are more problematic than the lack of apology that regarding this country’s unwarranted invasion of a soverign country, and the resulting deaths of tens of thousands?
What’s worse?
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
February 4, 2009 12:01 PM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
So are you suggesting that this latest round of predictable apologies are more problematic than the lack of apology that regarding this country’s unwarranted invasion of a soverign country, and the resulting deaths of tens of thousands?
What’s worse?
By @@
February 4, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this
Obama’s “Turn of the Screw”, Jim?
Oh my!
I’ve been reading where he’s lowered the dress code in the WH and has little use for the U.S. Marine Band playing “Hail to the Chief”.
“I’m sorry!” His mindless meandering since he took office garners little respect from me.
I’m in need of financial reparations.
By ron
February 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this
Then there is the non-apologetic case of Geithner,The Treasury Secretary, who with all of his tax problems got voted in en masse.So much for ethics.In the case of Daschle,I believe there were underlying problems other than taxes that made him toxic.Same with the lady whose name I can forget,because I don’t need to remember it.
Were these appointees vetted?Apparently not.Some unnamed person fell down on the job.Obama accepted responsibility and the left is all warm and fuzzy with him.See,he didn’t lie or try to wiggle out of it.Wonderful.And while everyone is happy about this minor point,he’s lying through his teeth about a huge spending bill he’s calling a stimulus package.It’s a government expansion package.Nothing more,nothing less.
Emanuel is the one who inadvertently told the truth when he said that you csn’t waste a good crisis.
By One Voice
February 4, 2009 12:18 PM | Link to this
Jim, Jim, Jim,
Newsflash: All the bad press Obama is receiving IS the consequence. What did you want him to do, resign from office because one of his cabinet picks didn’t pay the right amount of taxes?
And if it were a Republican administration, especially the last one, they’d deny anything wrong happened at all and try to confirm him anyway. That was one of Bush’s biggest problems- refusing to admit he was EVER wrong (even though he was wrong more than most reasonable people) and continuing to make the same errors over and over again until he ran the country into the ground.
By draconian gorebot
February 4, 2009 12:46 PM | Link to this
Well Obama has proved he is not capable of making good decisions with his tax cheat cabinet picks, so he should resign. Pelosi just said that 500 MILLION people are losing their jobs every month (the sad thing is some mindless libs probably believe her). She has just proven she has no clue and is just spewing hysterics and should resign too.
Sarcasm to both points. The above would have been the mindless reactions of Dhimicrats had both been Republicans and done the same thing. But, we are more mature than liberal Dhimicrats, aren’t we? Of course we are.
The vast majority of America, including most of Florida, is forecasted to freeze tonight. STOP GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!! Morons. Algore spoke to a group of 12 year old children and told them that they are smarter than their parents and know more than their parents if they believe in his junk science. Is this the new Hitler youth movement under guise of being green? What’s next, having the children report what their parents are saying about said junk science? Think that won’t happen under hysterical liberalism? Think again. They are already trying to snuff out opposition thought.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 12:49 PM | Link to this
Dear Rec @ 11:11, thanks, I was afraid that one would slip past everyone.
Dear Anti @ 11:45, “keeping an accurate accounting and preserving historical accuracy is not whining. If we forget our mistakes we’re doomed to repeat them…” I disagree, you gloss over my theme. I’ll turn your form into an affirmative: “Keeping an accurate accounting and preserving historical accuracy is mere whining unless the preservation is maintained only as support for the analysis of causation.”
Dear BS @ 11:54, apt analysis. Our Mormon brothers are more self-reliant than any other congregation outside Lancaster Co., PA.
Dear @@ @ 12:03, good afternoon, your report shocks – did not President Carter also suspend play of “Hail to the Chief?” Disco redux. Mamma Mia.
By Shane
February 4, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this
Wow Jim - I’ve seen some some ridiculously self-serving comparisons before (see Rod Blagojevich), but comparing Obama’s nominations to the murder of 82 people by our government’s ATF seems WAAAAAYYY off the charts there buddy - even for someone as republican as yourself.
You guys really need to give Obama a chance - he’s your only hope - so get with the program bub and adjust your expectations a bit - he’s not a miracle-worker and he’s not perfect, but at least he can complete a sentence properly, has real intelligence and surrounds himself with the best people available. That’s worlds better than your little W ever did.
man, you repug’s just make me sick. the demorats kinda make me ill here and there, but you guys just make me want to start the revolution early.
By Confucious
February 4, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this
Confucious say… YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN!! How can any Republican with a straight face put themselves out there as the guardians of fiscal responsibility. They got us into this mess to begin with. To the Republicans, the same things that didn’t produce the desired result over the last 8 years is now the fix. Even the dumbest of the dumb knows better than that. If the Republican way worked would we be in the mess we’re in now? Republican tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy. Where is the growth? Where are the jobs these wonderful tax cuts were to produce? But I’ll say one thing. The bankers in the Cayman Islands love Republicans.
By Chip
February 4, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this
And if it were a Republican administration, especially the last one, they’d deny anything wrong happened at all and try to confirm him anyway.
Bzzzzt! WRONG!
Hey onevoice: you need to check your facts. Every Republican accused of something either resigned or is in JAIL. Besides, Republicans were put under the microscope by the lib DNC media LONG before he/she was ever nominated. Do you not think Tom Daschle’s shenanigans would have gone unnoticed by the NYT and WaPost had he been a Republican? I think not.
Try again.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this
Dear One Voice @ 12:18, who is Linda Chavez and why does her existence undermine your argument in toto?
By Polar Bear
February 4, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this
Take an elementary science course draconian gorebot. Another ice age is the end result of global warming you cretin.
As for a Hitler movement, try 8 years of Bush/Cheney’s assault on the 4th Amendment. What’s next dumbazz? Neighbors spying on neighbors and reporting back to the gov when an unpopular political word is spoken. Oh wait. That already happened. It was called TIPS. My bad. 4 more years of Bush/Cheney and we’d all be locked up in Gitmo for daring to utter the words Republicans are idiots.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this
Dear JLK @ 11:51, we would agree that Waco is the quintessential evidence of the competence of the Reno Justice Department, with Elian Gonzales a close second.
By Jackie
February 4, 2009 1:02 PM | Link to this
We see some on this blog that have determined that the Democrats are thieves because they did not file their taxes correctly, for which they paid the taxes, late filing fees and a fine.
How many of us have ever had problems with the IRS? Many may not be aware that if you take your taxes to the IRS office and have them complete your return, if there is an error, YOU are responsible because the IRS only provides you with consultation.
Any of those that understand the complexities of the IRS code and have a 100% submission rate when itemizing deductions, consider yourself a genius.
By WWJD
February 4, 2009 1:03 PM | Link to this
Everytime I hear the term Republican I see Dick Cheney’s snarling face. I don’t know what’s, that horror or Rush Limbaugh’s verbal flatulance.
By wand waving lib
February 4, 2009 1:12 PM | Link to this
Jackie the apologist for tax cheats. I’m sure she’d have been so apologetic had those clowns been Republicans. Don’t forget one tax cheat is now our US Treasury Secretary. Also, don’t forget that if you or I did what said tax cheats did, we’d be in a whole HEAP of trouble.
By SST
February 4, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this
By Rich
February 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Link to this
The dupes that voted for Obama might buy his crap but I’m not. What he meant to say was “I knew exactly what I was doing with these nominations. I was HOPING the ignorant masses wouldn’t notice.
Good thing you had Rush to tell you, huh Rich.
By @@
February 4, 2009 1:22 PM | Link to this
Yes Ragnar, Carter did suspend his “chiefdom” in more ways than one. I see Obama’s casual applications as narcissism — thinking the office of President is all about him and not the traditions of a great nation.
There are those who have linked Obama with “Hail to the Chief” in it’s “proper context” though.
Obama has so boxed himself in that re-gifting rules the day.
I predicted it would be so. He cannot be all things to all people.
This COUNTRY should come first.
By RU Kiddin
February 4, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this
Bottom line, regardless of whether Obama actually knew about the tax evasion (lets call it what it is folks), he is responsible. Period.
It is the President’s responsibility to choose advisors and mentors that can assist him with decisions and offer advice, alternative solutions or ideas. It is the President’s stamp of approval that names the nominee, signs the bill, or completes the order.
Should Obama take responsibility? Yes.
The bigger issue that I haven’t seen anyone comment on is the obviously off kilter system of checks and balances related to our tax system. Do you honestly believe that you could scrape by for 2+ years and not pay the IRS?
More appropriately, Obama should be pointing out the failure of our tax system and bringing to light the most abusive system of power in our nation. I didn’t hear that apology. Did you?
By JLK
February 4, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this
Ragnar, I note you also have a disdain for law enforcement officers, the lives of whom mean nothing to you if you are to amuse yourself berating an AG from long ago. I’m sure you would have concocted a much better plan to deal with someone who murdered your employees in the course of committing numerous felonies. And since you were there, then you know for certain whether or not the cultists set their own fire rather than surrender to the authorities enforcing the laws of the land. (Were they only kidding with the “you’ll never take us alive!” bit?) I encourage you to move to Texas and spearhead another secession initiative. I will encourage my Congressman to vote to allow it.
By jim is a caveman
February 4, 2009 1:33 PM | Link to this
Chip at 12:52, who are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and why does their existence undermine your argument in toto?
By P H D
February 4, 2009 1:37 PM | Link to this
If Omama really wanted to “hold people accountable” he’d fire his Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner.
By Great Dad
February 4, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this
Speaking of responsibility, how about this criminal dad raising a criminal son?
According to U.S. Attorney David Nahmias and information presented in court, last November Fred Hand, III, 54, and his son Fred Hand, IV, 24, used a rifle to shoot and kill a whitetail deer during Colorado’s archery-only season, which is a violation of state law. The Hands then transported the antlers of the seven-point buck to Georgia, a violation of a federal law called the Lacey Act. The Lacey Act, enacted in 1900, was passed to assist states in enforcing wildlife laws.
Now if he had just absconded from paying his taxes it would just have been an “oversight”.
By ron
February 4, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this
“Hail to the Chief”,was started by one President’s wife because her husband was a little scrawney fellow who often went unnoticed when he entered a room.She started this to announce his entry.I’m too lazy to reaserch just which one it applied to.
Forgetting our mistakes makes us bound to repeat them is a statement without merit,as far as I am concerned.If you want to apply this statement to individuals ,fine,do so,But don’t apply it over the breadth of humanity.
Case in point:The wet paint sign.Everyone knows what wet paint is,yet people persist in tryiing it out each time they see the sign.One individual will touch the paint and find that it is still wet.The next morning that same individual will touch the paint again,only to find the painter has applied a second coat.Want to lay odds as to what will happen on the third morning?
By Lee Weber
February 4, 2009 1:47 PM | Link to this
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
leeweberlog.blogspot.com/
Obama’s plan to marginalize Pelosi and Reid…and create a strong historical legend for himself.
Last night I went to a reception near the Capitol for GA lawmakers hosted by the Georgia Restaurant Association.
(As a side note, it is obvious this industry is really hurting. In years past large fine dining groups like Buckhead Life, Here to Serve, Fifth Group, et. al. were there. This year it was Taco Mac and Willy’s Burritos.)
A small group of us were discussing the stimulus bill and how it was loaded with all sorts of non-stimulative pork and Democratic wish list projects.
My guess is that President Obama is allowing Pelosi and Reid to pack these bills full of this stuff, knowing that it will be just too much for Republican in the Senate to stomach. He is letting the Democratic leadership get way out on the plank and then will saw it off behind them by cutting deals with the Senate GOP.
He is counting on a GOP filibuster, the bill fails in the Senate, and Obama comes in and using his personal charm and the rather formidable whip of Rahm Emmanuel beats back the worst of the Democratic pork, gets the GOP back on board and come out of this process looking like his “new way” of politics is working.
This would combine one of aspect of Reagan’s presidency (which Obama has studied closely) and one of Clinton’s.
Reagan was about Reagan. He didn’t worry too much about party building or strengthening the GOP in the House or Senate. In 1984 he made a last minute campaign trip to Minnesota in an attempt to win all fifty states rather than campaigning for endangered Republican Senate or House members. He spent as much (or more) time with House Speaker Tip O’Neill than with then House Republican leader Bob Michel.
And Obama is about Obama. He didn’t come to Georgia to campaign for Jim Martin, and he will not spend his hard political capital trying to save the Democratic leadership from itself.
The Clinton tactic is the old triangulation play. It worked for Clinton on welfare reform and NAFTA and it will work for Obama.
Obama knows that to go down in history as a successful president you just need to have successful presidency…and you can have that whether or not your fellow party members succeed in the House or Senate.
By RagnarIsRight
February 4, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this
David Koresh was known to go to town from time to time was he not JLK? Would it have been so hard just to walk up behind him as he stood in line at Kroger’s and whispered “you’re under arrest”? Would that Waco fiasco have ever occurred had an entire Army not rolled up to the gate?
You, JLK are typical of the mindset that would turn this country into a police state. The problem most people have with the police since 9/11 is their mindset that we, the people, are all the enemy and it is us against them. Whatever happened to “protect and serve”? Even police uniforms have taken on the appearence of Nazi storm troopers in order to intimidate the public they allegedly serve. It would also be nice if a police force, particularly Cobb County, would teach their officers to begin each and every sentence spoken to the citizens that pay them with the words, “good day sir/mam”, instead of acting like a bunch of jackbooted thugs.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this
Dear JLK @ 1:25, I am obliged to withdraw my argument @ 1:00. In gauging the “quintessential” evidence of competence in the Reno Justice Department, Waco and Gonzales are miles behind Jaime Gorelick’s (she later of FNMA disrepute) “wall of separation” between the foreign intelligence agencies and the domestic Federal police agencies. As a side note, I wonder if any one bureaucrat has ever done so much damage to the US as Jaime Gorelick?
By Jackie
February 4, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this
@wand wavin lib
Seems that my statements hit home!
Have you ever been audited and/or paid penalties to the IRS?
It appears that you have traveled that path, like most of us have.
Those that had difficulties with taxes and have been selected by Obama have been exposed to public scrutiny.
Now, do you think all of us that have had “tax issues” should be denied a job or some other function in our lives?
What do you think we should do with those that have had issues with the IRS?
Will you be first in line to deal with your solution to the problem?
By chris elliott
February 4, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this
Wooten is a partisan hack not a journalist. He is the love child of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. His brother is Shaun Hannity.
I don’t like the far right nor the far left. They both are too steeped in ideology to get to practical solutions for the country or to treat the other side with any dignity. The sooner Wooten retires the better. His writing is superficial drival that neither educates nor evokes a thoughtful moment. I don’t know how he ever got this job but it just goes to show that you don’t have to be very bright to write a newspaper column.
By Lee Weber
February 4, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this
The lessons Obama has learned from Reagan and Clinton…
Last night I went to a reception near the Capitol for GA lawmakers hosted by the Georgia Restaurant Association.
(As a side note, it is obvious this industry is really hurting. In years past large fine dining groups like Buckhead Life, Here to Serve, Fifth Group, et. al. were there. This year it was Taco Mac and Willy’s Burritos.)
A small group of us were discussing the stimulus bill and how it was loaded with all sorts of non-stimulative pork and Democratic wish list projects.
My guess is that President Obama is allowing Pelosi and Reid to pack these bills full of this stuff, knowing that it will be just too much for Republican in the Senate to stomach. He is letting the Democratic leadership get way out on the plank and then will saw it off behind them by cutting deals with the Senate GOP.
He is counting on a GOP filibuster. After the bill fails in the Senate Obama will call toegther the leaders of both parties and using his personal charm and the rather formidable whip of Rahm Emmanuel, will beat back the worst of the Democratic pork, get the GOP back on board and come out of this process looking like his “new way” of politics is working.
Obama recognizes that Pelosi (as a Georgia Congressman said to me last year) is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Remeber that Pelosi gained her speakership by raising a ton of money for her collegaues (the mother’s milk of politics…pun intended) and by playing the gender card, which always works in the Democratic causus.) Steny Hoyer of MAryland woudl have been a far more effectice Speaker, both in terms of leadership or in media skills, but he couldn’t overcome Nancy’s money or her sex.
And Obama has seen Harry in in action, or in-action. Reid has been rolled by GOP leader Mitch McConnell at every turn since the Republicans lost their Senate majority. He knows that neither Pelosi or Read is a well loved or respected leader at the Capitol or in the country at large.
This ploy would combine one of aspect of Reagan’s presidency (which Obama has studied closely) and one of Clinton’s.
Reagan was about Reagan. He didn’t worry too much about party building or strengthening the GOP in the House or Senate. In 1984 he made a last minute campaign trip to Minnesota in an attempt to win all fifty states rather than campaigning for endangered Republican Senate or House members. He spent as much (or more) time with House Speaker Tip O’Neill than with then House Republican leader Bob Michel.
And Obama is about Obama. He didn’t come to Georgia to campaign for Jim Martin, and he will not spend his hard political capital trying to save the Democratic leadership from itself.
The Clinton tactic is the old triangulation ploy. It worked for Clinton on welfare reform and NAFTA and it will work for Obama.
Obama knows that to go down in history as a successful president you just need to have successful presidency…and you can have that whether or not your fellow party members succeed in the House or Senate.
By ButtHead
February 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Link to this
CopyLeft, There will be no lobbyist in my white house, except the ones I appoint. Where is the apology for that lie? It is UN American to not pay your taxes, except if you are an Obama appointee. Yep how refreshing to see that not one thing has changed.
By Lee Weber
February 4, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
My guess is that President Obama is allowing Pelosi and Reid to pack these bills full of this stuff, knowing that it will be just too much for Republican in the Senate to stomach. He is letting the Democratic leadership get way out on the plank and then will saw it off behind them by cutting deals with the Senate GOP.
He is counting on a GOP filibuster, the bill fails in the Senate, and Obama comes in and using his personal charm and the rather formidable whip of Rahm Emmanuel, beats back the worst of the Democratic pork, gets the GOP back on board and come out of this process looking like his “new way” of politics is working.
Obama recognizes that Pelosi (as a Georgia Congressman said to me last year) is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Remeber that Pelosi gained her speakership by raising a ton of money for her collegaues (the mother’s milk of politics…pun intended) and by playing the gender card, which always works in the Democratic causus.) Steny Hoyer of MAryland woudl have been a far more effectice Speaker, both in terms of leadership or in media skills, but he couldn’t overcome Nancy’s money or her sex.
And Obama has seen Harry in in action, or in-action. Reid has been rolled by GOP leader Mitch McConnell at every turn since the Republicans lost their Senate majority. He knows that neither Pelosi or Read is a well loved or respected leader at the Capitol or in the country at large.
This ploy would combine one of aspect of Reagan’s presidency (which Obama has studied closely) and one of Clinton’s.
By ImaGenius
February 4, 2009 2:18 PM | Link to this
Well, Jackie, consider me a genius. My accountant has successfully prepared and I have successfully paid my taxes for almost 30 years.
I’m certainly not ready to throw in the towel for Obama regarding this mistake, it is one. I’m appreciative of his apology, but agree that our society now seems to consider apologies equal to consequences. As for the last president who wasn’t good at apologizing, I don’t care anymore. He’s not the president.
All democrats aren’t tax cheats because of this - or the other 2 - recent Obama nominations. But with Dems in charge, it’s going to be more difficult to continue the rallying cry that “repubs only help the rich and dems are conscientiously in opposition of that mean and nasty philosophy.” None of these nominnes are shining examples of democrats working toward the common good regarding the payment of taxes. Especially since we’ve been told that we should be happy to pay taxes if we have more than others in our society. It’s the downside of power. Dems are going to be showing their ugly side, just like repubs did the last 8 years.
What’s really unfortunate is that partisans don’t try even try to clean their own house, they’d rather waste time pointing the finger at the other. I like the bloody flag analogy.
By Peter
February 4, 2009 2:23 PM | Link to this
Ok yes I agree with you on this…….Dear Peter @ 10:23, I realize my ancient cultural reference - “waving the bloody flag” – flew right past you. In post-reconstruction America, every time a democrat would condemn a republican excess, the republican scoundrel would accuse the democrats of fomenting the civil war, thus to avoid addressing the real topic. You (and our other leftist brethren) are doing the same, apologizing for Obama by making allegations against a former president. That form of argument is illegitimate, but then illegitimacy is an integral element of leftism.
I agree that the WAR based on “faulty Intelligence” which is costing your Grand Kids their future is a leftist idea……!
Good Job……..”Mission Accomplished” !
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Link to this
I took imagenius’s rallying cry and set it to music. Great lyrics! This is the peanut butter effect, you know. Obama would have been fine if Cheney hadn’t slipped the Peanut (via Jimmy carter double agent secret service guy) Scare into the mix. If we cant even trust our inner peter pan, then what good are any of us?)
We have an imperfect president. He seems honest, and that may be his biggest spin. We either support our troops or we dont. Cheney’s no longer our commander in chief.
It will take some getting used to.
Jklol
By Dusty
February 4, 2009 2:29 PM | Link to this
GO for it, Jim Wooten,
Give those libs the whacks they need so badly. Never have so many two faced people given blind obedience to the one they blindly elected.
Obama “screwed” and takes responsibility like the captain on a sinking ship. Sounds good but doesn’t keep anything afloat.
IN the meantime, Obama makes himself into the “man for every man” forgetting his savoir Harvard man appearance to inspire and deliver before election. Last night on Lehrer NewsHour he wore a dress shirt open at the neck with no tie. He was as casual and “common” as a cat on a windowsill in the sunshine.
As Obama’s inexperience bursts forth in his mostly good’ol’boy selections such as Daschle, Rahm the Terrorific, Richardson and the Treasury-forgettor man we wait for the next selection to hit the fan.
So, libs, while you whisper sweet nothings about Obama’s obvious inexperience and vapid volubleness, we don’t forget how you spoke like Tasmanian Devils about President Bush. He did everything but tuck you in bed to keep you safe. But you rather snuggle up to a terrorist than give him credit.
As ‘tis said: “Forgive those libs for they know not what they do”. I keep trying but they keep doing it.
By JLK
February 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Link to this
RagnarsRight @ 1:48: “You, JLK are typical of the mindset that would turn this country into a police state.”
Actually, NO. I had a “Police states suck” bumper sticker a few years back. IMO, we have too many laws that interfere with individual freedoms, and not enough regulation of the Wall Street crooks who invent and fabricate wealth via “leverages and futures,” lie, pollute, defraud, and steal from every corner of our economy. (Madoff belongs in Gitmo, IMO, and you should not be jailed for growing a little medicine in your own backyard! What a ridiculous law….)
“The problem most people have with the police since 9/11 is their mindset that we, the people, are all the enemy and it is us against them.”
I agree with you! Where do YOU think that mindset came from? It wasn’t me… and it wasn’t the guys whose workday begins by strapping on a hot, uncomfortable bullet-proof vest and hit the streets to protect us from drunk drivers, violent gangs, armed robbers, whacked-out meth heads, burglars, rapists, and the other assorted a—holes they deal with every day so we don’t have to. The culture of fear that permeates us was created by far sinister minds than mine, I assure you.
Koresh was a bad guy who did bad things, (unless you’re okay with kidnapping, child-molesting, and stockpiling an arsenal of illegal weapons). He also said he wouldn’t be taken alive. Coincidentally, the whole place went up like a box of matches, all at the same time, the minute authorities tried to move in on him. Do you really think he was innocent and unfairly persecuted? Do the lives of four flatfoots REALLY mean zilch to American “patriots?” Do you really think Janet Reno murdered those children? Frankly, I don’t see what her motivation would be, but I can see the motivation some have for twisting the situation into a battle cry for gun rights. “Remember Waco!” Yes, of course, but only if you forget the details of what really happened.
Are there bad cops? Sure. But most of them are decent men and women just doing their jobs, and they deserve our gratitude and respect.
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 2:34 PM | Link to this
I took imagenius’s rallying cry and set it to music. Great lyrics! This is the peanut butter effect, you know. Obama would have been fine if Cheney hadn’t slipped the Peanut (via Jimmy carter double agent secret service guy) Scare into the mix. If we cant even trust our inner peter pan, then what good are any of us?)
We have an imperfect president. . He seems honest, and that may be his only virtue. . We either support our troops or we dont. Cheney’s no longer our commander in chief.
It will take some getting used to.
Jklol
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 4, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this
Dear Jackie @ 1:02, “Any of those that understand the complexities of the IRS code and have a 100% submission rate when itemizing deductions, consider yourself a genius.” Thank you, I do. I sometimes refer to myself as Wile E Coyote, SuperGenius. In all humility, I do favor Fair Tax as an intelligent revision of our tax system, primarily for the simplicity. However, I am would respectfully correct your misstatement: “Democrats are thieves because they did not file their taxes correctly..” In fact democrats are not thieves because they fail to adhere to the tax code; democrats are thieves because they use the guns of government to take the private wealth of free citizens, and convert that wealth to their own misadventures.
Dear @@ @ 1:22, funny link.
Dear JLK @ 1:25, you err. My affection for our overworked police, at every level, drives me to push for elimination of a vast array of laws and regulations. I regret to advise that it is our leftist brothers who overwork our valiant police.
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this
I took imagenius’s rallying cry and set it to music. Great lyrics! This is the peanut butter effect, you know. Obama would have been fine if Cheney hadn’t slipped the Peanut (via Jimmy carter double agent secret service guy) Scare into the mix. If we cant even trust our inner peter pan, then what good are any of us?)
We have an imperfect president. . He seems honest, and that may be his only virtue. . We either support our troops or we dont. Cheney’s no longer our commander in chief.
It will take some getting used to.
Jklol
By Oil of Olive
February 4, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this
The Republicans can gloat. This is the peanut butter effect, you know. Obama would have been fine if Cheney hadn’t slipped the Peanut (via Jimmy carter double agent secret service guy) Scare into the mix. If we cant even trust our inner peter pan, then what good are any of us?)
We have an imperfect president. . He seems honest, and that may be his only virtue. . We either support our troops or we dont. Cheney’s no longer our commander in chief.
It will take some getting used to.
Jklol
By Whatever
February 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Link to this
Yeah right Wooten. Tell me ALL about responsibility under a Republican administration. Gee, weren’t they in charge of say… the FDA for the last 8 years? Wanna peanut Jim? Or are you too afraid of rat droppings in them. You need to just shut up and sit down and let the adults fix this country that you and your friends wrecked. Conservatives thought that if they turned this country over to corporate America with no oversight, that they’d all get rich. Good job Jim. Now retire already.
By @@
February 4, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this
I could see how Lee Weber’s assessment of Obama may be correct.
I’ve wondered the same thing.
Only when I see the far-left media hypes admit to selling the people a pig in a poke will I be convinced. If Obama’s commitment to “self” is to be believed, then it should be proof to his supporters and George Soros that liberalism is an ideal, not a reality.
I can’t see George Soros goin’ down without a fight. If he chooses not to, then liberalism is hiding in the shadows waiting to pounce at a more opportune moment.
One could also argue, that just like his short term in the Illinois state senate, Obama chooses to let others do his dirty work.
Mine is a “no-vote” of confidence in Obama.
By Hillbilly Deluxe
February 4, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this
There are 2 sets of rules. Always have been; always will be. The more things change the more they stay the same.
By @@
February 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Link to this
Oops!
Make that “If he (Soros) chooses TO go down without a fight, then liberalism is hiding in the shadows waiting for a more opportune moment”……
to resurface.
And very possibly within the one-term of a President Obama.
IHB
By Cindy
February 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this
JLK you are doing your best to avoid the fundamental question about Koresh. Could he or could he not have been quitely taken down on one of his numerous trips to town. To me the whole point of Waco was for the Feds to show the citizenry what the consequence of messing with the almighty government was. Same thing with Ruby Ridge.
By Peter
February 4, 2009 3:06 PM | Link to this
Gosh Look at Dusty type her baloney !!!!!!!
“Obama “screwed” and takes responsibility like the captain on a sinking ship. Sounds good but doesn’t keep anything afloat.”
HA HA HA…Dusty 8 years of Bush ………gee let’s see ……..two Wars, Unemployment how high ? Recession for how Long ? America in how much Debt ? Bailing out of how many Corporations ?
Have a Peanut Butter Sandwich……… !
Smell the coffee Dusty…… talk like yo got some sense !
By @@
February 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this
Just wanted to add a little somethin’.
Obama didn’t “screw up”, he attempted to screw down in the hope that no one would witness him doin’ the nasty.
BJs from the oval office to the American people yet again.
By madison ave
February 4, 2009 3:20 PM | Link to this
this just in:
obama’s face to appear on the front of all Jiff and Peter Pan peanut butter containers in order to restore consumer confidence.
By jonc
February 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Link to this
It is tragic that such a small majority of active American voters have been able to create such a vile, reprehensible untouchable who most certainly is the most hated, most loathed man in the history of the world. I wonder how Hitler’s supporters felt when he was the most hated man. Did they realize they were supporting a monster? Were they proud to be contributing to his power? What about after Hitler fell, or Mussolini? Did their supporters realize what they’d helped to create? Did they stay loyal to their monsters? Did they see the light and experience regret? George is not the first ugly, planetary monster to be created. We should learn from his and his predecessors. Like dinosaur researchers, paleontologists, who study dinosaur sh*t, we should be studying the destroyed industries, the fraudulently justified actions and causes, the ecological disasters and the lies built upon lies and more lies that enabled Bush and his malignant predecessors to attain power. That way, at least we can begin to understand what enables a tiny fraction of the people on this planet to insanely ejaculate such loathsome creatures into such positions of destructive power upon our planet.
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By Jackie
February 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this
@Ragnar,
Sounds like you are either delusional or have an inflated view of self-worth.
You have a 100% submission rate! What a laugh!
By AmVet
February 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this
Jim, it’s WAY, WAY, WAY past time you retired.
Giving that maniacal, bible-thumping, murderous scumbag a free pass for his hand in killing those innocent people, including those agents, so as to politically indict a perceived enemy, a Democrat, is typically repulsive of you Republiconned faithful.
And comparing this Daschle situation to that one is but one more instance where you have become one of the very poster boys of the yellow journalism that now passes for “reasoned analysis” in the lunatic fringe of the GOP.
For the comedic factor alone, here’s to hoping your replacement is just as mindlessly reactionary and irrelevant as you and your repudiated ideology have become.
By Raggedisnott Dangimapompoustuurdhole
February 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this
Avast and avaunt, children of the boards! ‘Tis I, your own randy Randian, whose duty it is to ponderously pontificate upon the proliferation of these problematical progressives, particularly That One who currently occupies our White House! Aye, I am near spent, taxing as I have my voluminous vocabulary and skewed syntax upon the heathen eyes of the leftist hordes who descend upon us nigh every day. But lose not faith nor heart, my sheep, for e’en though my wind and my pedantic poesy grow weary, I shall bite my thumb at our enemies! (Although, ‘tis certain that this ancient cultural reference will hop into an aeroplane, fly by, do a buzzover, and finally dip its wings past the heads of mine intellectual inferiors— which, in all truth, includes everyone on this board save Wo-tan the Wootielicious, and my spiritual concubines Jill/BS Aplenty and Dusty.) Whereof was I speaking? Ah, yes— the vile progressives and their Dark Leader, the Muslim-flavored Moor. Let not their powermongering pusillanimy drive fear into your hearts, my obedient ovines, for do we not have our own Dark Lord? Yea, though he be currently deposed, I’ve no incertitude that he, unlike the saintly departed patriot Koresh, shall yet rise from the ashes of exile, and shall again seat himself as Vice President behind some future Republican throne, thereby righting all in our universe. Until that day, my hoov-ed herdfolk, let us expound and hold forth on topics of which we know naught, but of which we will utter much sound and fury. Let us bend forward and, as one, issue forth the thundering winds of justice, wisdom, and reichwing revolution! Are ye with me? GRAB THOSE ANKLES, I PRAY YOU ALL! Thpppppt! (Methinks I may have been alone on that one…I smell naught but the burning of mine own skivvies.) But hark! I leave you all with the following conundra (I do tickle myself when I make up new words): Who is Recreational Flatulence, and why does his existence undermine my arguments in toto? And why, pray, does Toto permit himself to be used in arguments? A discussion for another day, dear disciples…Farewell!
By Dusty
February 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Link to this
AmVet,@4:21
Retiring is such a good idea. Why don’t you relieve yourself of your poison pen position on this blog? The air would be fresher here and the hate indicator would go way down.
You can take your twin jonc @4:04 with you. You two think alike and even one is too many.
By Dusty
February 4, 2009 4:45 PM | Link to this
Awww PoFo @4:31
Make it shorter, lil’ cupcake! Pretty please with sugar all over it?
By What?
February 4, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry, but I fail to see the coorelation between Hitler and Bush. Lots of people don’t like Bush, for both his policies and his personality. But to equate him with Hitler or Mussolini? This is not only the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, but it’s way beyond the pale of partisan politics.
Nothing in Bush’s administration mirrored Hitler’s rise or fall. Get a history book, read it, then get a grip on your political angst. Creating delusions to prop up vitriolic hatred is sad and scary.
By Jimbo Christ UberShill
February 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this
Just want to ask Jimbo Christ, Uber Shill one thing about that “coarse language” Obama used. Where were you when Dick Cheney told a United States senator “Go f—k yourself?
Stay the “coarse” Jimbo Christ, Uber Shill.
By Jackie
February 4, 2009 4:54 PM | Link to this
Is the Pentagon a far-left organization that would create a report that estimates that a minimum of 95,000 Iraqi civilians were killed.
What price do we pay for more than 4,200 of our fallen comrades? Was it to protect this country from terrorists, or, was it to protect corporate America and their profit motives?
One of my hopes is that Attorney General Holder upholds his oath and follow the evidence that lead to war crimes. I do suspect we have a long list of those suspected and many of the legal advisers still trying to justify their positions.
By The Forgotton Messiah
February 4, 2009 5:05 PM | Link to this
A married couple’s vows were fulfilled all the way to death do us part. The man’s grief was distracted by the end of their professional relationship too. He lay awake for months wondering what was to become of the business which lay in ruin. Then he realized that he had not spoken one prayer for his ailing wife, nor had he even considered it. Ripped apart; he understood what a monster he had become.
It takes a death to know who the monster is.
By JLK
February 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Link to this
Cindy, at 3:05: “…Could he or could he not have been quitely taken down on one of his numerous trips to town. To me the whole point of Waco was for the Feds to show the citizenry what the consequence of messing with the almighty government was. Same thing with Ruby Ridge.”
Your question is valid! I was not there, am not a trained law enforcement official, and therefore cannot answer it. Maybe taking him down in town would leave other dangerous followers un-captured and angry with a cache of weapons, I don’t know. I AM in favor of citizens holding our government accountable, no matter who is in charge. (Ruby Ridge occurred in ‘92, when the Republicans had been in charge for some time.) Just what response does the handbook prescribe for the murder of a federal agent?
The killing of Kathryn Johnston in her home, shortly after the COURTS ok’ed “no knock” warrants is also upsetting. The Bush-appointed court has further nullified the sanctity of your home. Does Wooten mention that today?
Could the seige at Waco have been handled in a better way? I think everyone agrees the answer is YES! Could KORESH have handled the stand-off in a better way so as not to murder his followers? Also yes. So tell us, how do YOU feel about the way Mr. Wooten uses the deaths of nearly 90 people as a tool to incite fear and loathing from another decade — omitting most of the facts to malign the Democrat in charge at the time — to make a lame comparison to a completely unrelated matter?
By Avuncular Testicle
February 4, 2009 5:12 PM | Link to this
The Republicans can gloat. This is the peanut butter effect, you know. Obama would have been fine if Cheney hadn’t slipped the Peanut (via Jimmy carter double agent secret service guy) Scare into the mix. If we cant even trust our inner peter pan, then what good are any of us?)
We have an imperfect president. . He seems honest, and that may be his only virtue. . We either support our troops or we don’t. Cheney’s no longer our commander-in-chief.
It will take some getting used to.
By Jimbo Christ UberShill
February 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Link to this
Re: “How do YOU feel about the way Mr. Wooten uses the deaths of nearly 90 people as a tool…to make a lame comparison to a completely unrelated matter?”
They don’t call him Jimbo Christ UberShill for nothing!
By Avuncular Testicle
February 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Link to this
Waco was a symptom of the breakdown of the trust in our institutions. Those people felt leaderless then, and look what they settled for.
Americans feel leaderless now, too. We are vulnerable. We cant trust the banks. We cant trust the democratic republic for which our flag is supposed to stand.
did you ever wonder what lobby persuaded W to increase the medicaire budget? Follow that money and you’ll get an unusual perspective about bipartisan negotiation.
By Dusty
February 4, 2009 5:26 PM | Link to this
Jackie@4:54
There is NO price we can pay that is bountiful or thankful enough to pay for our fallen comrades. Our American soldiers laid their lives on the line for our protection. They did it for US, the rich, the poor and any citizen under the red, white and blue.
If Attorney General Holder wants to investigate anyone, I suggest he start with the people who tried to undermine our actions while we were fighting. Those who openly protested and excoriated the military, the Commander-in-Chief and any move made to protect us from terrorism. They should definitely be on a list of suspects.
Dissent is permissible. Verbal sabotage is not.
By Avuncular Testicle
February 4, 2009 5:38 PM | Link to this
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq today?
Afghanistan?
anyone. It’s a great topic for Bookman’s speech tonight during the q and a session.
I dare someone to ask Bookman those q’s.
By dusty trails...
February 4, 2009 6:04 PM | Link to this
It’s great that Dusty, the queen of blind obedience to one blindly elected, has weighed in on the subject of blind obedience. Please tell us more, oh, worshipper of POTUS as long as he is Republican and named Bush. Your opinion on blind obedience is worth squat, madam. Go back to worshipping at the altar of those who destroy our constitution and leave the thinking to the adult.
By AmVet
February 4, 2009 6:06 PM | Link to this
Musty, so glad that you deem dissent permissible!
Quit the pretense that you are some sort of tolerant, reasoned patriot.
You are anything but.
And as far as Koresh’s little fun house, you would have fit in like a glove in that scumbag’s insane asylum…
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
February 5, 2009 8:36 AM | Link to this
Krusty, George W. Hitler and Vice-Chancellor for torture Cheney are criminals and it is my hope they will be arrested, tried and executed for their numerous crimes against humanity. Investigate that b***!
By Analchord
February 5, 2009 8:40 AM | Link to this
Anyone notice how I set the tone for all the blogs, that is, I’ll write something using a certain double worded ID, and a certain style in the delivery of the comment, and then the same 3 or 4 trolls try to emulate it? I dont have to post comments. You all pretend I’m the only author. That’s control. Look at the effort you all are making. i am humbled by the honor. we’re all writers and you waste your talents trying to be me.
Walt Whitman knew he was a genius by the reaction from critics to his poetry, “Leaves of grass”.
But, the point is that there was a wash of hacks who tried to emulate Whitman with titles like, Blades of Trees, Flames of Water, and Rocks of Sod.. All failed because you cant really hack poetry at whitman’s level, (or satire at my level), but you can fool the blog-simple (like Bookman) into thinking that you are me by putting Jklol at the end of your comment or using a two worded ID that uses an adverb or a gerund - (analchord is a derivative compound phrase combining syntactical and diacritical entendres ) - and that’s how I stay banned from bookman’s blog. Bookman deletes some passages I never wrote. ( What a fall guy, you guys rock).
You like me. You REALLY like me!
By Claire
February 5, 2009 9:04 AM | Link to this
Maybe Daschle subscribes to the same theory as Harry Reid in the fact that paying taxes in the US is just “voluntary.” Watch the youtube video of Reid explaining our “voluntary tax system” to see a real genius in action. Between Reid, Pelosi and a trillion dollar stimulus package that is only going to stimulate a democrat’s salvia glands, I dare say that we get what we deserve: a future of ballooning inflation, and enough national debt to choke our grandkids grandkids. I have lost all faith that people are smart enough to understand the consequences of their own actions. What was the topic again? Oh yeah, “I’m sorry.”
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
February 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Link to this
The only thing you have in common with Walt Whitman is gayness. You are a narcissistic twit laboring under a false sense of adequacy. Further, you, in your gay pursuit of Bookman, are nothing more than a same-sex stalker who imagines himself in the arms of his enemy/hero. You are a nattering twit who fantasizes that others emulate you. No one does! You’re a sick moron who needs to check in at the closest mental-health facility and soon. Now, get lost moron!
By Ayn Rand was Right
February 5, 2009 9:58 AM | Link to this
Peter and CopyLeft…it would be so refreshing to actually hear an argument that would engage Ragnar, instead of just name calling and chanting NO WAR, NO WAR. You guys are a joke!
Regarding Mr. President’s apology, if he is so sorry his vetting crew missed this big tax evasion (along with a few others)…why is Mr. Daschel along with his other appointees and stepped-downs, still getting a pass on penalty? I would have to pay a penalty if I was one day late on my taxes, no matter the reason. They forgot, so no problem, just pay the base due and move along? Favoritism, quid pro quo, business as usual? Help me understand, for I am a simple Libertarian without the ability to understand our complex steal and favor tax codes.
By Adolph and Joseph
February 5, 2009 10:24 AM | Link to this
Yes indeed. We’re reading The Road To Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek.
So, to all you ignorant big-government, central-planning, socialist-leaning morons I say -
SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!
Now, go read your Pravda and worship your icons you pathetic sheep.
By GOP Big Bucks
February 5, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this
The trustee overseeing the liquidation of Bernard L. Madoff’s investment firm said in Federal Bankruptcy Court on Wednesday that about $946 million had been recovered so far.
By steve-o
February 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Link to this
Wooten, there is just no pleasing you. You giant turd of a man you.
By HDB
February 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Link to this
Lest the people forget, this nation was founded by rich, white males who wanted to avoid paying taxes. They were called conservatives in 1776…..and likewise now! At least, THIS President can admit to making mistakes……W’s administration was a MISTAKE in 2000, for he was SELECTED by his daddy’s Supreme Court; W went to war on a MISTAKE….and all these job losses are MISTAKES generated from the Bush/Rush/Hannity supporters…who made $$$ at the expense of the middle class!! Hope everyone is noticing this……
By REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP
February 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this
I NOTICE JIMBO YOU MENTION THAT THE DEMOCRAPS DONT THINK ABOUT THE LITTLE MAN OR WOMAN CONCERNING TAXES AND JOBS, BUT I NOTICE THAT SONNY SUXBY JOHNNY PHIL AND PRICE ONLY COME AROUND THE LITTLE FOLKS WHEN ITS RE-ELECTION TIME,AND ANOTHER THING WHERE IS PETA? CONCERNING SARA PALIN AIR KILLING WOLVES AND MOOSES AND ALL THE OTHER ANIMALS THEY ARE KILLING.
AND WHY HASNT RAGNAR AND REDNECK CONVERT INLISTED TO THEIR LOCAL U.S.A MARINE RECRUITERS OFFICE,BECAUSE ITS COWARDS LIKE THEM THATS CHICKENHAWK ARM CHAIR FIGHTERS.