Thinking Right

By Copyleft

January 22, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this

Once again, Wooten recoils from the horrible specter of due process and following the Constitution. I guess that’s mandatory for a Bush drone.

After all, we “know in our guts” these prisoners are “probably” guilty… and isn’t that good enough to lock them up for life and throw away the key?

No wonder these idiot fascists lost the election….

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 8:38 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. An interesting choice of strategies in the war against the Islamists, declaring a unilateral ceasefire, to allow the opposition time to regroup and refurbish. Change we can believe in, I guess. Certainly President Obama needs thoughtful counsel on the Rogers-Hammerstein musical question, “How do you handle a problem like Muhammed?”

Any unbiased view of our culture understands that there is some disagreement on the right way to process these prospective US citizens. In the red states, there is a general hostility to the gentlemen currently confined at GTMO, probably reflecting our nativism and racist tendencies. Our more compassionate leftist friends, seeing people who view America the same way as their poetry club associates, would be more welcoming to receiving the denizens of GTMO. Any rational analysis suggests that the KSM and the rest of his volley ball team ought to be resettled in the colder climes, in America’s rust belt. The destruction likely to follow will allow new investment in the infrastructure there, thus a win-win for our blue state friends.

Read a couple of great economics arguments today, learned a couple of things. Whereas I had argued, perhaps a bit extremely, that President Obama’s Keynesian “solution” was merely pumping money down a rat hole, it turns out it is only 20% down the rathole. The multiplier for government expenditures is 0.8, verified through several different eras. Therefore, while we can validly call Obamanomics – sounds like one of those nonsense doo-wop syllables, doesn’t it - “the new voodoo economics,” it is not a total waste. On the other hand, I think we all already knew intuitively that government siphoning capital out of the private economy never replenished at 1:1. In a separate article, I have been too hard on “big-spender” President G. W. Bush. “Bill Clinton’s last budget increased domestic nonsecurity discretionary spending by 16%. Mr. Bush cut that to 6.2% growth in his first budget, 5.5% in his second, 4.3% in his third, 2.2% in his fourth, and then below inflation, on average, since.” So perhaps Obama will be smart enough to follow the Bush example?

By mm

January 22, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this

Ragnar,

Since when was it a war against “Islamists”? I thought it was the war against terror. Are you now saying all Muslims are terrorists? Based upon you as an example, that’s like saying all Christians are idiots. Sort of unfair, don’t you think?

Jim,

Americans will not go bonkers when we bring these detainees to America for trial. Actually, I’m looking forward to seeing if Bush and friends held them in captivity for all these years when they were actually guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted, some of these creeps need to be executed, but here in pre_Bush and post-Bush America, you are innocent until proven guilty.

By Rickster

January 22, 2009 8:54 AM | Link to this

Dear Copyleft,

The Constitution and due process only apply to those actually arrested/captured in the United States. The Gitmo detainees do not - in any logical interpretation of US or international law or even the Geneva Convention - fall under these protections.

They were captured on a battlefield - not in a law enforcement effort.

And as for those who claim that torture (or even aggressive interrogation) doesn’t work - even John McCain admits that the torture he endured in North Vietnam broke him.

By Get Real

January 22, 2009 8:55 AM | Link to this

“Foolishly declared waterboarding torture.” Wow, Wooten has sunk to an even new low. Do you know positively if those tactics obtained any relevant results, and what if terrorists used the same tactics on American troops Wooten? What would you say then? Funny how that little ‘rule of law’ gets in Republicans way. I thought you all were the party of superior morals? Carter, Clinton; I thought you would’ve waited a few months to bring those similarities out, but looks like you been holding them like a Big Joker in a spades game, waiting to slam it on the table.

We see where you’re going with your blog; down with the Titanic. You’re doing a heck of a job Wootie!

By US citizen

January 22, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this

What some people seem to forget is that the rights of due process and others spelled out in the constitution are guaranteed to citizens of THIS country. International terrorists are hardly ever recognized by another foreign government and are certainly not citizens of ours. As such, they do not have these rights. Plus, one must remember that violence is the only language a terrorist understands. Speak their language to them and they might tell you more and give you life-saving information. Try to sit down and talk to them and you’ll get nothing but a headache. They are zealots and will not give up anything easily. But then again, when you have so many lawyers and politicians calling a lethal injection “cruel and unusual punishment”, what do you expect?

By Rickster

January 22, 2009 8:56 AM | Link to this

Dear Copyleft,

The Constitution and due process only apply to those actually arrested/captured in the United States. The Gitmo detainees do not - in any logical interpretation of US or international law or even the Geneva Convention - fall under these protections.

They were captured on a battlefield - not in a law enforcement effort.

And as for those who claim that torture (or even aggressive interrogation) doesn’t work - even John McCain admits that the torture he endured in North Vietnam broke him.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 8:57 AM | Link to this

Dear copyleft @ 8:34, I’m appalled. “No wonder these idiot fascists lost the election.” Did you not get the memo? “We remain a young nation,” Obama said, “but, in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things.”

By Rickster

January 22, 2009 8:59 AM | Link to this

Dear Copyleft,

The Constitution and due process only apply to those actually arrested/captured in the United States. The Gitmo detainees do not - in any logical interpretation of US or international law or even the Geneva Convention - fall under these protections.

They were captured on a battlefield - not in a law enforcement effort.

And as for those who claim that torture (or even aggressive interrogation) doesn’t work - even John McCain admits that the torture he endured in North Vietnam broke him.

By Copyleft

January 22, 2009 8:59 AM | Link to this

Wrong as usual, Ragnar. Despite the Bush administration’s best efforts, there is no magical “new category” of detainees or prisoners that is beyoond the reach of the Geneva Conventions, and therefore of U.S. law.

The courts have rejected this silly argument several times now, much to the ex-regime’s embarrassment. (Or rather, they WOULD be embarrassed if they were capable of feeling shame for their wrongdoing.)

Now we’ll get to see why the Bushies were so frightened of actually bringing these cases to a public hearing. I wonder, if it was co “certain” that the detainees were guilty, why they were never able to come up with any evidence to prove it—and so vehemently insistent that they shouldn’t have to?

Fascism was defeated in the last election, wingnuts. Time to come back to America.

By The Anti-Wooten

January 22, 2009 9:01 AM | Link to this

Ragman StrangerDanger,

The President is correct and a large majority of American voters have done just as you mention.

Consider yourself and the rest of the backwards, bible-thumping, right wing nutjobs as having been set aside.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 9:02 AM | Link to this

Dear mm @ 8:53, fair question, “Since when was it a war against “Islamists”? I thought it was the war against terror. Are you now saying all Muslims are terrorists?” The followers of the religion of peace call themselves Moslems or Muslims. “Islamists,” on the other hand, is the term for random murdering terrorists who deceptively claim to be following the example of Mohammed. This dictionary service is part of my continuing effort to elevate understanding among all peoples worldwide.

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 22, 2009 9:04 AM | Link to this

“They were captured on a battlefield”

Well, some of them were. Then again the previous administration basically declared the whole wide world the “battlefield” in his ridiculous “war on terror,” so who knows how true even that truism might be.

By Howard

January 22, 2009 9:10 AM | Link to this

Jim…good editorial…but hey, over 50 percent of the morons in this country wanted this guy and so be it. I’m just gonna sit back and enjoy the fireworks. What’s Obama gonna do when the terrorists hit us here? Overseas? What are he and Holder gonna do with Gitmo? Holder could maybe secure a pardon for all of them courtesy of their namesake prez… What’s the Messiah gonna do when Israel keeps ramping things up in Gaza? What’s this left-wing neophyte gonna do when they hit Iran? And that is coming, you can believe me. Saw a photo of demonstrators in Tehran burning Obama’s picture in effigy. Who’s he gonna listen to? Israel will be in one ear yelling for continued support while the Arabs will be in the other…whispering…remember where you came from. They’ll be burning him in effigy in more places than Tehran. This economy, which was Democrats’ makings, is squarely in Obama’s hands and so is the foreign policy of the USA. As much as the swooning and lovesick media will try to pin everything on Bush for the next 4 years of this clown’s rule..they won’t be successful. Jimmy Carter took 4 years to absolutely send this country to the pits…Obama and his gang will take far less. And Obama had better not forget just who he loaded his administration with…Clinton folks. The head dog at State Department…now come on, do you really think she has gotten over last summer?? But then who again was this Chicago street thug politician gonna put in power to help him? Wright? Phlager? Ayers? Michelle my Belle? But let me finish with Bush and McCain…these two infuriate me. Bush for having no backbone and trying to play nice guy with liberals for 8 years. What did it get him? Booed off the stage at Obama’s coronation as prez! Bush did right in going into Iraq…and winning that war…but the aftermath was a joke. Thanks to Petraeus, Bush got his a* rescued! Gitmo? I remember conservative talking heads saying that Bush was making a serious political mistake keeping those terrorists down there as long as he was, without trials…they were right! Oh, how about putting those terrorists in the following cities? Detroit, NYC, Washington, Boston, Philadelphia, LA, San Francisco, Berkley, Denver, etc. The folks in those places thought Obama was the greatest thing since sliced bread, so give ‘em to them!! Better yet, just turn them loose!! McCain was a disgrace…except for taxes, he is no different than Obama and how he ran that campaign of his was a joke!! He should be drummed outta the GOP…and finally the GOP. You suck! How about getting a set of grapefruits and standing up for conservatives? Finally if Bush had fought liberals and Dems in the same manner he fought terrorism, we would be fine. Both are no different…one does it by guns and bombs the other side does it by judges and Congress. And if Democrats would defend this country in the passionate and underhand manner they go after the GOP, they would have never lost one election for the Congress or White House ever! Trust me on that! But with what we have here now with Obama, I’m dead serious when I quote Jeremiah Wright: “America’s chickens? They’re coming home to roost!!” Take a look back at 1933 and up to 1939…it’s all gonna happen again folks. You asked for it with this election and you’re gonna get it. Grab the popcorn and sit back and watch the circus begin!!

By Redneck Convert

January 22, 2009 9:13 AM | Link to this

Well, if these Terrists don’t get any perteckion, why don’t we just take them all out and shoot them? I mean, they don’t exist legally under our Constitution. And if they don’t exist, seems to me we could do the world a favor by getting rid of them before they get a chance to get back at us.

I know we set a bad example back in WWII. We captured some German soldiers and brought them here to the U.S. of A. When 7 or 8 of them got together and kilt this other German soldier they thought was ratting on them, we tried them in a military court and hung them at Ft. Leavenworth. I guess they were people we caught on a battle field and decided to let the Constitution perteck. When they were sentenced they even went under review by the Supreme Court and the President before they were hung.

And when we caught some German spies landing on some U.S. beaches and not even in uniform or in a army, we tried them by military court and they went under Supreme Court review too before we sent them to the electric chair. Another bad mistake we made.

But that don’t mean we have to do it with these Terrists. Just bring them out and mow them down with a machine gun, is what I say. Keep the courts out of this. If they don’t exist under our Constitution, they don’t exist—period. So we could say we didn’t kill nobody because you can’t kill a guy that don’t exist.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

By findog

January 22, 2009 9:14 AM | Link to this

Jim,

As a veteran I believe you misspoke when you categorize the declaration of waterboarding as torture to be foolish. As an American I believe you might consider that we won the cold war by being better than the minimum standard of decency. We cannot secure our future by promoting the notion that the torture will continue until the Wahhabist learn to tolerate us; it will just be another successful propaganda tool for our enemies.

Prevention of terrorism is a criminal matter in the US; failure to prevent then allows an act of war. Post 9/11 President Bush kept us safe with the vigilant criminal investigation and vigorous prosecution of the planners who proposed terrorist attacks, which have been held up as a part of his legacy. He immediately responded to the one successful act of war in his attack on the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I fear that in your despair you have sunk to the childish level of name-calling. Your writing like a tenured professor who has not gotten his way and throws a tantrum like a two year old who can’t have the toy they saw in the store. Please, if you can’t get help at Peachford get help somewhere.

By ron

January 22, 2009 9:15 AM | Link to this

Good morning,Quantanamo detainees will soon be freed on American soil.That is a certainty.Not all of them,understand,just those deemed most acceptable.It’s all a matter of who does the deeming.John Murtha has volunteered his district as a very possible sanctuary,so to say that no one wants them is a little misleading.

Pulling the teeth on the watch dog has never seemed a wise move to me,it make him ineffective.The CIA keeps detainees off American soil and treats them as they would be treated in the country of confinement.Seems like a good compromise to me,better than having some liberal judge putting them up in my hometown,without warning me about it either.

The first call to a foreign leader was fielded apparently by Palestine.Seems appropriate.They’ve been such a strong ally in the past.This should tighten things up in the Middle East.

Dear Copyleft,They weren’t caught here,they’ve committed their supposed crimes elsewhere.Let’s keep them there.Let’s deal with them there.We have enough homegrown criminals to satisfy even the greediest prosecutor.

In future let’s limit the number of detainees we can have at one time to a total of three.The rest just can’t be prisoners.They’ll have to be dealt with some other way.Let’s have two categories,prisoners and dead bodies.

Dear Ragnar—-Good article on Lehman Bros.collapse in the London times this morning.Seems commercial property was the final nail in the coffin.Over investing in same.A large factor in the collapse was the drive to push the envelope way beyond where it had ever been pushed before in search of larger and larger profilts.The top was completely out of control.

By Rev Donald Spitz

January 22, 2009 9:18 AM | Link to this

Eric Rudolph is not a terrorist, but an anti-terrorist fighter. Those who have killed babykilling abortionists have done so to protect the innocent. People use force everyday to protect the innocent and no one has a problem with it, except when it comes to protecting unborn human beings, then they go ballistic. It’s very simple, the unborn deserve the same protection as the born. Born people are protected with force quite often. Force that you would be glad if it was to protect your children against a murderer. Force that you yourself might use to protect your own children from being murdered. The unborn deserve the same protection.

By Get Real

January 22, 2009 9:19 AM | Link to this

Yes, the Constitution only applies to citizens of this country, but what about America being a higher moral authority in the world? How can we torture people, then speak of Russia, China, Iran, etc. having poor human rights. Republicans can’t have it both ways.

By Tom

January 22, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this

The terrorists sure as hell won’t have trouble finding a jury of their peers. Any bleeding heart lib will do fine by them.

By DB, Gwinnettian

January 22, 2009 9:27 AM | Link to this

hee hee. Redneck, is that you @ 9.18?

anyway, the proper term is “unborned BAYBEEZ.” (or “blastocyst-Americans.”)

Later, all.

By findog

January 22, 2009 9:31 AM | Link to this

Dear Ragnar @8:38

Odd choice of words, to allow the opposition time to regroup, as that is what happened with the Taliban when we redirected our fire at Sadam

I don’t see a problem with the GTMO population just repatriate them to the country of origin. I believe the biggest problem is they don’t want to go home. It’s not the poverty, or lack of opportunity, its Islamic law that will probably quickly decapitate them that they fear. Send them home as a signal to those who support Madrassa education for they surely deserve to reap what they have sown.

By findog

January 22, 2009 9:47 AM | Link to this

Copyleft @8:59

Actually the Geneva accords are for military personnel. By attacking our uniformed soldiers in civilian clothing to then melt into the local populace they have violated a condition for the rule of war to apply. As they have done this they are now actually accorded the status equal to spies and can be summarily executed as such.

By Shawny

January 22, 2009 9:49 AM | Link to this

This is a rather lenghty piece, but is very well done. It describes how Carter attempted to right our standing in the world and how many of his initiatives did exactly the opposite, from the Sandanistas, to the Soviets, to the downfall of the Shah. Well written.

I give the new Prez the benefit of the doubt, until he proves me unworthy of the benefit. While I disagree with closing of GITMO, his actions with what he does with those held there will determine his true standing with me.

By Davo

January 22, 2009 9:50 AM | Link to this

“The difference between the Bush Administration’s approach to the events of 9/11 and his critics’ is that Bush saw the attack on the homeland as an act of war.”

If this is so, JW, why did W lawyer up to define these detainees not as enemy soldiers but as enemy ‘combatents’? You don’t have to be weak to be a coward…and W showed the world what a coward he is by making up the law as he goes.

Whatever damage these guys allegedly did is nothing compared to the damage W did to our nations good name by allowing torture. I’m sure you and some others believe that to untrue…but then again, your not holding the reins amymore. Welcome to democracy, and the rule of law.

By Shawny

January 22, 2009 9:51 AM | Link to this

I think if you turn them loose in the N GA mtns and tell all the good ole boys that it is hunting season on terrorists, then the problem is solved without a cent of taxpayer money.

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

A new demented wingnut arrives on the Wooten board. Rickster weighs in with this nugget of genius:

“And as for those who claim that torture (or even aggressive interrogation) doesn’t work - even John McCain admits that the torture he endured in North Vietnam broke him.”

Ahem.

Apparently Rickster is asserting that the confession that McCain gave his captors is true, and that his filmed denunciation of the US of A was a reflection of his true feelings. If not, he has provided a perfect example of the utter uselessness of torture in producing useful and factual intelligence, an admission that torture is good for nothing more than “breaking” people, and providing a vicarious thrill to Jack Bauer wannabes like Rickster.

Sweet jeebus, you maroons…the biggest obstacle to convicting the guilty parties at GTMO is the fact that the evidence has been gathered primarily via torture. Ergo, it is unreliable at best, and in violation of even the skimpy procedural protections of Courts Martial.

A little more attention to the rule of law — and a little less indulgence of the thrill of torturing people — would have left our nation in a much better position to defend itself from the guilty GTMOs. Alas, its just one more legacy of the Worst. President. Ever.

By Tomorrow's Wooten Today

January 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

Thinking Right January 23

President Obama today took another step towards surrendering to terror today as he foolishly declared as torture the salutary practice of hanging a terrorist from a crossed pair of roughly hewn boards by driving nails through his hands and feet. More proof that our new president’s official policy is to play by recess-rules.

By Copyleft

January 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Link to this

Ragnar: “The time has come to set aside childish things.”

Exactly. And America has set aside the childish notions and policies of the fascist right. It’s time to grow up into smarter, saner, more liberal (and honest) government.

You may not like havinig to sit at the kids’ table while the grownups conduct the business of the country, but you have only yourself to blame.

By Barry

January 22, 2009 10:21 AM | Link to this

I say this with no intent at irony, or humor. If they are truly “enemy combatants”, kill them. By the very tactics of terrorists, they are outside the bounds of any compassion, or rules of law. The problem with “captured on the battlefield” is they should have been killed on the battlefield. If, on the other hand, these guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, send them home. Put them in an airplane, with a parachute, fly over their homeland, and push ‘em out. Bring them to the U.S. and put them into U.S. prisons, and (as others have stated) let the circus begin.

By Copyleft

January 22, 2009 10:25 AM | Link to this

Barry: Good work, you’re almost there!

Now: How do we DETERMINE which ones were enemy fighters and which were just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Well, we could ask them—but they might lie. Or we could ask the guys that captured them—but they might lie to protect themselves.

Oooh, I know! How about a TRIAL? With actual evidence presented and reviewed by an impartial judge?

By BS Aplenty

January 22, 2009 10:28 AM | Link to this

The making of a U.S. Navy SEAL begins with 17 weeks of Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training. The purpose of this intense training is that the U.S. Navy fully intends to find out who, among its hardened Marine and other naval personnel, has the desire to be a SEAL. The survivors are the creme de la creme of Navy fighting forces.

To say the least the training is mind-numbingly grueling. It seeks to identify the weak in mind and body but, mostly, desire. The first week, in fact, is so physically and mentally challenging that the candidates have titled it “Hell Week.”

For the first 96 continuous hours (yes, that’s four days) of training, the SEAL candidate is put through a series of physically demanding assignments along with other candidates who comprise his “team.” No sleep, little to eat, cold, wet and most of the time he is operating in the cold Pacific surf - many times with the surf pounding over his head. Flawless performance and leadership through all assignments is required.

Typically, 70-80% of the SEAL candidates simply DOR or Drop on Request - they voluntarily dropout before training is over. Numbing cold, pounding surf, sleep-deprivation, hunger along with physical stress will do that. To those who have never been in battle, it seems like needless torture of our sons. To the U.S. Navy, it’s absolutely vital to identify those seamen who can perform their missions well under the extremes of battle.

Maybe that’s why the U.S. military and the Bush Administration did not consider “water-boarding” to be torture.

By Maniac is accurate

January 22, 2009 10:42 AM | Link to this

Alcatraz

By Barry

January 22, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

I’ll take our guy’s word every time.

On another, sort of unrelated note, why does Rush hate America?

By reebok

January 22, 2009 10:55 AM | Link to this

Well, if my GUT tells me they are PROBABLY guilty, that’s plenty good enough. Due process is for wimps.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this

Dear copyleft @ 10:18, “policies of the fascist right.” More childish epithets? You are incorrigible.

Dear BS @ 10:28, good morning. I listened to a book on tape, “Sole Survivor.” The first cd, SEAL training, drained me. Those guys are the best of the best, and are woefully underpaid. They are the true supermen of our society, and the fact that the do not receive pay on a par with the average congressman is a reflection on our misplaced priorities.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dear Barry @ 10:51, “why does Rush hate America?” I assume for the same reasons as Foghat and Fleetwood Mac.

By deegee

January 22, 2009 11:16 AM | Link to this

Well, I suppose that if your hands and feet aren’t shackled to the table, 70-80% of people would drop out of waterboard interrogation 101.

By Barry

January 22, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

Good one RagDann.

By Copyleft

January 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Link to this

Ragnar: What’s childish? “Fascist” is surely an accurate label for the far-right’s policies, just as “leftist” is for anyone you disagree with.

You’re not denying the accurate description you’ve worked so hard to earn, are you? You’re not ashamed of your beliefs, by any chance? That WOULD be childish. Accept what you are, honestly: a fascist, and proud of it.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 12:06 PM | Link to this

Dear copyleft @ 11:51, your misuse of the term is childish, suggest you do not even know the meaning of the term. The fascists were the socialists who took over Italy in the 1920s, micromanaging every element of private enterprise with increasing levels of regulation and bureaucratic interference. Seemingly less like conservatives than with Obama’s partisans. But, for the record, the fasces was the symbol of Ancient Rome, and “fascism,” and reflected a call for nationalism, rejecting free trade and immigration.

By dave

January 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this

Yeah….Bush kept us SAFE….that started on 9/12!!!! CLINTON kept us safe for nearly 8 years after the first World Trade Center Bombings…….while Bush,,,with ALL the “info” he was handed…after 8 1/2 months…let us get attacked by 19 morons that brought this nation of 300 million to it’s knees…. what did he do? Attack Iraq that had NOTHING to do with 9-11…and what else did he do? He built the largest Embassy in the WORLD in Iraq… Yeah…THATS the place we need our largest Embassy… Glad for those that voted for Bush…if you lost your job…or your stocks are now down…and you worry about money…think of the BILLIONS we sent with our tax dollars over there…while Terrorist attacks around the world have increased..and while Bin Laden is free!

When you VOTE republican…you vote AGAINST the GOOD of this nation…. NOW SONNY…who you also voted for is raising taxes…

Republicans have been the WORST thing our economy ever had. higher spending…. that’s the “republican way….it ALWAYS has been…since Reagan…the 3rd worst president we ever had after BUSH 1 and 2!

By jm

January 22, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

ragnar@11:13 - you mean Rush is British :-)

By ADL

January 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Link to this

After the Brian Nichols trial I don’t trust an American jury to ever do the right thing again!!!

By ADL

January 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Link to this

Copyleft,

your socialist “kool-aid” mustache is showing…

By Peter

January 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

Solutions…… where are the Solutions from the Right ?

Funny all on the Bush Band wagon as he tore the country down…..

Yesterday it came out ………………

Rush Limbaugh wants Obama to “FAIL” !

So what is with you folks……………..don’t you actually love your country…..?

Why are all the Right wingers bent on tearing America down ?

You rally behind a Trillion Dollar debt and 2 WARS as GOOD…..but can add ZERO positive ideas to the Reshaping, and Rejuvenation of America ?

Sad state of affairs for supposedly “Conservative” folks……..and really tells the story of how far Right wingers will go……..as they examlpe you set is……….. “IT IS ALL ABOUT ME” !

You behave as extremist’s………. No different then the Muslim Extremist’s that want to harm America !

By Reality Check

January 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this

Now that reality has set in, let’s take a look at Gitmo that the president wants to close down within a year. There are no plans yet for where he will send the terrorists [yes TERRORISTS], but we do know that most likely they will not be sent overseas. You know, overseas, to one of those nations that sat around for years b-tching about Gitmo in the first place. That said, and speaking of b-tching about Gitmo, which one of you moonbatocrat liberals wants to have these people housed in your neighborhood? Better yet, who amongst you moonbatocrat liberals wants to just release all of these people into the public? Talk is cheap, ain’t it?

By the way, did anyone catch how President Obama had to turn to an aide for sentence completion on what exactly the directive is?

By DDT

January 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Link to this

There’s something about that “homeland” moniker that leaves a bad scent in the room. It reeks of something straight from Nazi Germany with a mental image of Adolph Hitler giving a speech. However…that would be pretty typical of the mindset or the crowd that coined it.

By Fred

January 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Link to this

Maybe they should give all those gitmo detainess robes and hoods and send them to Howard’s next Klan rally. That would be the ideal jihad. Start by eradicating the worst of the worst.

By Diane

January 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Link to this

Very good dave. You stuck it in em deep.

By patriot

January 22, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this

Whew! A lot of sick puppy liberal lunatic fringe here…rewriting history, making up lies, spewing hateful bile. I’m glad I don’t know any of you. I hope you get some help before it is too late.

By Superdave

January 22, 2009 1:13 PM | Link to this

Moron dave writes:

Yeah….Bush kept us SAFE….that started on 9/12!!!! CLINTON kept us safe for nearly 8 years after the first World Trade Center Bombings…….while Bush,,,with ALL the “info” he was handed…after 8 1/2 months…let us get attacked by 19 morons…

Yeah genius lib, you forgot about all those years under Clinton’s watch where those mouth breathing animals were learning how to fly airplanes in Florida under the watchful eye of Janet Reno. One leader was focused on blow jobs and another was only worried about a child from Cuba and some wackos in Waco. You also forgot about the closing statement of the 9/11 Investigation Committee: ‘We did not have enough specifics. Nothing could have been done to prevent the events of 9/11 from happening.’ Finally, I’m SO SURE that you mindless liberals would have allowed Arab banning on airliners, which is about the only thing that WOULD have been guaranteed to prevented the events. You lying liar dirtbags on the left can lie and get away with lying on your democratunderground, moveon. org, and huffpost blogs, but you won’t get away with it here.

Peter: calm down, dirtball. Limbaugh said he wants SOCIALIST POLICIES to fail. Read much, jackass?

By GaLiberal

January 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this

Moron Jim said:
The difference between the Bush Administration’s approach to the events of 9/11 and his critics’ is that Bush saw the attack on the homeland as an act of war. Most of those who opposed him on the war that followed saw it as a criminal justice matter,…

What MJ and the rest of the Bush/Rethuglicon butt-sniffers don’t understand is that you declare war between nations and governments; not people or organizations. This is why Bush failed so miserably with the reckless and unnecessary Iraq war. His inability to distinguish between a small group of people and a sovereign government resulted in the needless deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers and 10’s of thousands civilians. He displaced a working government (admittedly brutal) and left a power vacuum that allowed outside fundamentalists to take power.

Following the WTC bombing in ‘93(?), we used law enforcement to track down and arrest the ones that committed that crime. Clinton did not use it as a specious reason to engage in a reckless war as did Bush. The 2001 attack should have been handled in the same manner. However, Bush and his handlers (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rove) saw a great opportunity both politically and personally benefit. Bush saw himself as a war president; Cheney saw unlimited taxpayer dollars going to Halliburton and other Rethuglicon-friendly companies; Rove saw a great political lever for Rethuglicon domination; Wolfowitz a way to get his anti-Saddam policy implemented. NONE of these people had the nations best interests at heart.

Bush and the Rethuglicons are a disaster that will haunt this country for the next decade at least. The mortgage crisis will make home ownership almost impossible for everyone except the wealthy. The unemployed will be forced to take lower paying jobs ensuring a ready pool of cheap labor and driving down wages for everyone else except for the corporate executives. There will be only two or three large national banks who will pay even less interest on deposit and charge higher and higher service fees except for their wealthy clients could afford to pay. Government will be reduced to a shell with no social safety nets to ensure a minimum existence. The rich will get richer and the poor will get kicked to the street. The Rethuglicon dream fulfilled. A fascist state.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And the GITMO torture camp is living proof.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

January 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Link to this

It’s very apparent that those defending torture have never defended this nation. Being American carries with it responsibilities. It means doing things the right way to achieve the goals you have. Resorting to terrorism and torture to defeat terrorists and torturers is never the right thing. By becoming a terrorist nation and one that indulges in torture, which is what happened under George W. Hitler, America lost the moral high ground from which it could legitimately point to the people we were fighting and label them as barbaric. The goal is to win but win the American way and that means holding on to our identity, ideals and values. When George W. Hitler chucked those away America became the biggest exponent of terrorism in the world. Thankfully, we now have a President who believes in America and is removing us from the terrorist nation status we earned under George W. Hitler. I realize that many of you chicken, arm-chair, fascist patriots don’t like it and that’s too bad. To demonstrate your devotion to the nation, why don’t you take your cowardly asses down to the recruiting offices and join a branch of our armed forces? We need troops to win this war in Afghanistan. Be part of it! What’s the matter? Don’t have time? Too busy with Neo-Nazi activity? Too damn cowardly?

By findog

January 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Ragnar @11:13 Sir you have no shame; but a pretty funny comeback…

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Link to this

Um, Superdave….from Rush’s own transcript:

“I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, ‘Well, I hope he succeeds. We’ve got to give him a chance.’ Why?”

and

“I would be honored if the drive-by media headlined me all day long: ‘Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails.’ Somebody’s gotta say it.”

Read much, schmeckie?

The only thing you losers hate more than liberals is America itself. You want Obama to fail and the nation to suffer.

Ragnar is right about one thing. The fascist label is wrong for your crowd. I have a more accurate label.

Traitors.

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 1:44 PM | Link to this

One more dose of treason from Traitor Rush, from his own website:

“Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.”

By BBrown

January 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Link to this

Jim: I see this action on GITMO, as a feeding frenzy for the lawyers, who can out run an ambulance to the ER, barefooted. Whether the liberal left wants to admit it, these persons are committed, in my opinion, to kill everyone who is not of their beliefs. That includes the liberal left, whether they realize it or not.

BBrown your former neighbor

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

January 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

Stupordave, you sound like just the sort America needs to pursue the terrorists in Afghanistan. go sign up chickenlips!

By antiSuperdave

January 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Link to this

By Superdave

January 22, 2009 1:13 PM

Yeah genius lib, you forgot about all those years under Clinton’s watch where those mouth breathing animals were learning how to fly airplanes in Florida under the watchful eye of Janet Reno. One leader was focused on blow jobs and another was only worried about a child from Cuba and some wackos in Waco. You also forgot about the closing statement of the 9/11 Investigation Committee: ‘We did not have enough specifics. Nothing could have been done to prevent the events of 9/11 from happening.’ Finally, I’m SO SURE that you mindless liberals would have allowed Arab banning on airliners, which is about the only thing that WOULD have been guaranteed to prevented the events. You lying liar dirtbags on the left can lie and get away with lying on your democratunderground, moveon. org, and huffpost blogs, but you won’t get away with it here.

Uh Superdave, it seems your facts are a little off dumbazz. See below. Ziad Jarrah entered in June 2000 on a tourist visa and then promptly enrolled in flight school for six months. He never filed an application to change his immigration status from tourist to student. Had the INS known he was out of status, they could have denied him entry on any of the three subsequent occasions he departed and returned while he was a student.

Marwan al Shehhi came in through Newark in late May 2000, followed a week later by Mohamed Atta. Both were admitted as tourists and soon entered flight school in Florida. In September they did file applications to change their status. Before 9/11, regulations allowed tourists to change their status at any time, so they were in compliance. But both overstayed their periods of admission and completed flight school to obtain commercial pilot licenses. Atta and al Shehhi then left within a few days of one another and returned within a few days of one another in January 2001, while their change in visa status from tourist to student was still pending.

Atta and al Shehhi did get some attention when both said they were coming back to finish flight school. Primary inspectors noticed with each that their story clashed with their attempt to reenter on tourist visas. The rules required them to get proper student visas while they had been overseas, since their earlier pending applications for a change of status were considered abandoned once they left the United States. Atta and al Shehhi were each referred by the primary inspectors to secondary inspection.?

?Flight 93 hijacker Saeed al Ghamdi was referred to secondary immigration inspection when he arrived in late June 2001. He had no address on his I-94 form.?

Source: Entry of the 9/11 Hijackers into the United States Staff Statement No. 1 National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States

You lying liar dirtbags on the right can lie and get away with lying on your neocon, Rushit, and Hannity blowhard blogs, but you won’t get away with it here.

By Cindy

January 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Link to this

It seems that the Bushies were asleep at the switch huh Superdave. Appears it was on their watch that the INS failed to perform their duties with due diligence.

By Alfred Sims

January 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Link to this

I do believe the 9/11 Commission stated that on Bush’s watch the INS failed to properly track the visas of the 9/11 hijackers. Had they done so most of them could have been removed from the country for violating the terms of their visas. But I guess using Superdave/rightwing logic that it was still Bill Clinton’s fault. I guess this recession is Bill’s fault too even though he is 8 years gone.

By Soulfinger

January 22, 2009 2:07 PM | Link to this

Its hysterical to me the comments from bloggers who are so anxious for President Obama to fail they are practically wetting their pants. Aren’t we all Americans? Doesnt his success at this job equal our success as a nation? Why do you wish him ill fate? Is it because he is not a old white man? Seriously..why would you want the leader of you country to do a horrible job? So you can say “I told you so?” What will that achieve? I mean really, grow up folks. You sound so angry, bitter and childish. Cutting of your collective noses to spite your faces…real mature. I weep for the future.

By ron

January 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Link to this

I can’t help but notice that a lot more liberals than conservatives quote Rush Limbaugh.What’s the deal?Do you liberals actually believe what he’s saying?Is he getting under your skin?Thinking people don’t spend a lot of time listening to Limbaugh.

By Cindy

January 22, 2009 2:20 PM | Link to this

You’re right Ron. But all one has to do is come on this blog and the Rush talking points are flying fast and furious from the keyboards of these right wing mentaql midgets that without Rush wouldn’t be able to form a thought.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

January 22, 2009 2:21 PM | Link to this

I think Limburger was probably high, out of his pitifully small mind when he uttered that remark. Of course, it has been embraced by the traitorous, right-wing, neo-nazi fascists who supported George W. Hitler.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 2:28 PM | Link to this

Dear jm @ 12:09, I am embarrassed to admit the error. I think Rush is actually Canadian, so I should have cited BTO or Guess Who.

Dear ADL @ 12:36, I was there before the Nichols trial. I always ask for a bench trial. So far they haven’t convicted me.

Dear findog @ 1:35, I am constrained to acknowledge your truthful allegation.

Dear headslap @ 1:44, I would be the first to acknowledge that my dedication to, and affection for, freedom trumps my dedication to, and affection for, the government of the United States of America. I appreciate that your priorities differ, and we would agree that no man can serve two masters.

Dear BBrowb @ 1:45, that is a market I was not smart enough to see, but you are correct.

Dear anti-superdave @ 1:52 and Cindy @ 1:56 and Alfred @ 2:03, you seemingly forget who was president in June 2000. The election was in November 2000.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

January 22, 2009 2:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Superdunce, they’re expecting you down at the recruiting office! I bet you’ll look dashing in your new uniform. it will be ‘Mission Accomplished’ once we have your rotund butt in uniform. Carry on soldier!

By 1911A1

January 22, 2009 2:38 PM | Link to this

mm:

No, not all Muslims are terrorists.

…but all terrorists are Muslims.

By Chaz

January 22, 2009 2:39 PM | Link to this

Gee, I guess this means we won the war on terror… let’s all go have a beer. I’m sure all those terrorists will now go home and beat their swords into plowshares.

Somewhere Frank Church is smiling.

By ron

January 22, 2009 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Ragnar,——-I think you’ll find that El Rushmo hails from Mississippi.

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

January 22, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this

No, not all Muslims are terrorists.

…but all terrorists are Muslims.

George W. Hitler wasn’t Muslim. He wasn’t anything except a criminal!

By The Chief

January 22, 2009 2:48 PM | Link to this

As one who has the perspective of having inspected the facilty at GTMO and observed, first hand, the handling of terrorist detainees, I would urge the public to decry this ill-advised shift in policy toward these peope whose every action has been to kill Americans.

First, these people are being held in this secure facilty because they are exceedingly dangerous. GTMO had upwards of 900 detainees at one time, and now is down under 300. These worst-of-the-worst have no legal status under the Geneva Convention because they are not combatants of a nation at war. The United States grants them most provisions of the GC, however, as a means of demonstrating compliance to international law. Take note that of the ones who have been released from GTMO that a significant portion of them reappeared on the battlefield or in terrorist facilities fighting us again.

Second, the very nature of their being terrorists, not soldiers, precludes them from a safe return to “home,” wherever that might be, because to accept them is to give haven to terrorists. The nation that receives them admits its own complicity with terrorism. On the other hand, these detainees, if returned, stand a good chance of being killed by their terrorist organizations for anything they might have said or done that provided information to the United States for the prosecution of this war.

Finally, supposedly the detention facilities at GTMO have been viewed with scorn in the eyes of the world. Do say? Perhaps some of our neighbors in Europe display their disdain because they fear terrorist reprisals. Just ask Spain.

These are not criminals who are breaking the law. They are killers, murders, terrorists, who have sworn themselves to the destruction of the United States and Israel. They will not be persuaded to change, and they are where they are because of what they had done or were doing to bring terrorism to our soil. Who wants to bring them here? Only those on a fool’s errand would even think it. The best course of action is to keep them right where they are.

By Bob Eubanks

January 22, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

I have yet to hear 1 (one) pro BHO post that does not contain childish name calling, reference to Bush, Chenny (sp?) the GOP. Can someone PLEASE tell me the merits of obama and NOT mention the right wing, call someone names, refer to the gop or RUSH, Hannity, or Boortz. Just talk Obama. Please tell me how I am going to be better with him as president?

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Link to this

Ragnit: “Dear headslap @ 1:44, I would be the first to acknowledge that my dedication to, and affection for, freedom trumps my dedication to, and affection for, the government of the United States of America. I appreciate that your priorities differ, and we would agree that no man can serve two masters.”

Wherein Ragnar presents himself as one with the cavedwelling Islamists who presume to judge whether this or that government is legit or apostate. Wherein we can all judge quite clearly that this is a man who, if he actually had the stones, would plant a bomb in a public place a la Eric Rudolph because his own analysis of whether the government is legitimate trumps the social contact.

In other words, the ambulance chaser is also a traitor in waiting. Albeit one who lacks the courage of his convictions. Otherwise, how to explain his continued residence in polite society and not with his Galtian peers in the gulch?

Traitor.

By David S

January 22, 2009 2:56 PM | Link to this

Most of the people in Gitmo are there because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Either that or they were enemies of the wrong warlords.

The US government was PAYING people to turn in other people. What kind of “criminals” do you think that is going to get you?

If there were any real evidence against these folks they would already have been tried. Of all that have been tried, virtually no convictions, and none for anything worthy of any real fear - petty immigration crimes, etc.

Also lets not forget that we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq with no provocation. Neither sponsored 9-11. The folks who were fighting back against us and those who fight now are just defending their homeland against an invading force. At the most, they are prisoners of war and should be treated accordingly.

Obama should have signed this order right after he was inaugurated. It would be even better if it were to close tomorrow, but anything is better than nothing.

And by the way, 9-11 was just a criminal act. It should have been handled as a criminal act. The towers were a crime scene that was disturbed, destroyed, and shipped off to China and a landfill before any serious investigation could be complete. We sent an army to Afghanistan to hunt down a few hundred (maybe) individuals and then we invaded Iraq for absolutely no reason.

If this new president really wants to show the world that US policy is now different, he will pull Hillary’s name from nomination, pull us completely out of Iraq (everyone) and Afghanistan, and appologize to the world community for the crimial behavior of the past administration.

Unfortunately, this gesture will likely just be that. The prisoners will likely end up in some other unnamed hole and our actions in the Middle East will just be business as usual. All signs point more to that than change.

By Over O

January 22, 2009 2:59 PM | Link to this

Want to talk about following the CONSTITUTION? Why hasn’t Obama answered the accusations that he is NOT a citizen of the USA, instead of hiring a team of lawyers to keep his birth certificate under lock and key. I’m really scared. Think about the ramifications of a usurper in the highest office.

By Tigerfan_in_GA

January 22, 2009 3:03 PM | Link to this

It truly makes me sick to read the comments of GALIBERAL and COPYLEFT. I can’t figure out how someone comes to think like they do….to me these terrorists in Guititanomo Bay should be killed in the field and not even brought to prison. Their life means nothing when compared to the life of 1 US Citizen. These people are deranged lunatics hell bent on killing as many non-believers as possible. Why in hell should they be afforded any of the rights most humans get? I just don’t get some people and I guess I never will.

By Bob Eubanks

January 22, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this

Wow..david s…I like it when a person refuses to lets facts enter into a rant. The minute some starts a post with , bush lied, torture,wing-nuts, neo-anything,GW Hitler, I realize they have absolutely nothing intelligent to say.

By The Trurth Comes out

January 22, 2009 3:05 PM | Link to this

First official act as President is to show you are a wimp? I hope the ones he turns loose are the ones that are caught carrying out the next terrorist act. It will happen count on it and just pray it doesent happen to you or a loved one. If you want to give them all a fair trial do it in gitmo and send the ones you think are innocent back to the middle east. This would be cheaper and more effective than bringing them up here for a trial. I know I dont want to be anywhere around these fanatics wheater they are in jail or not. Closing the prison in Cuba makes no sense whatsoever which is about what I expect from Obama on a lot of important issues.

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 3:07 PM | Link to this

Actually, Over O, it’s worse than you think. Barack Hussein Blackazoid Vader Obama is an alien from another planet, sent here to enslave our men and sire a super-race by impregnating Georgia’s virgin cheerleaders. Alas, there are none, so the joke’s on him.

Are you really this stupid, or are you exaggerating for comedic effect? You’re as bad as the 9/11 conspiracy wanks.

By tcoach

January 22, 2009 3:10 PM | Link to this

It is deplorable for any American to ever wish failure upon the president of the United States of America.

That statement goes both ways though, as there were those that wished nothing but failure on the Bush years. Granted Bush and others gave fuel to the fire, but wishing for failure is wishing for failure.

With that said, since it is official now and it is President Obama, when are the few on the left going to move on. Bush is no longer the president. Bush no-longer has any control of what goes on day to day in the leadership of our nation.

So why are there posters on here who cannot resist the need to insult Bush or compare everything Obama does to the acts of Bush?

Either these individuals have a serious complex and obsession disorder involving Bush, or they do not have confidence in the elected President. The constant reminding of how they feel Bush is a failure, or Hitler as one intelligent poster called him (funny how I have not noticed those concentration camps), is a sign of their feelings that President Obama will not be up to the task. Therefore by constantly reminding folks of Bush they feel they have laid the groundwork for their defense.

Let’s all move on and stop wanting our leaders to be the cause of our demise or our saviors. Let’s all realize we are the strength of the country and it is our actions and commitment to change that will turn the country around. Not the divisive ways that have plagued us for the past 8 years.

Here is to hoping we all have a prosperous and safe next 4 or 8 years.

Good luck newly elected officials on all levels.

By LeRoy

January 22, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this

Hey mm; all Muslims are NOT terrorists, however all terrorists to date have been Muslim (except Timothy McVeigh) WORLDWIDE.

I haven’t seen any Christian’s be-heading people, have you?

By Cindy

January 22, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this

And you Ragnar fail to comprehend what you are reading. It was after the Bushies came to power that the visa irregularities transpired without the INS having a clue. Therefore it was during Bushes watch that they could have been apprehended and removed from the country. The visas irregularities occurred on Bush’s watch giving his people the opportunity to remove the pilots before 9/11. Once more below Ragnar. Read carefully.

Marwan al Shehhi came in through Newark in late May 2000, followed a week later by Mohamed Atta. Both were admitted as tourists and soon entered flight school in Florida. In September they did file applications to change their status. Before 9/11, regulations allowed tourists to change their status at any time, so they were in compliance. But both overstayed their periods of admission and completed flight school to obtain commercial pilot licenses. Atta and al Shehhi then left within a few days of one another and returned within a few days of one another in January 2001, while their change in visa status from tourist to student was still pending.

Atta and al Shehhi did get some attention when both said they were coming back to finish flight school. Primary inspectors noticed with each that their story clashed with their attempt to reenter on tourist visas. The rules required them to get proper student visas while they had been overseas, since their earlier pending applications for a change of status were considered abandoned once they left the United States. Atta and al Shehhi were each referred by the primary inspectors to secondary inspection.?

?Flight 93 hijacker Saeed al Ghamdi was referred to secondary immigration inspection when he arrived in late June 2001. He had no address on his I-94 form.?

By Bob Eubanks

January 22, 2009 3:15 PM | Link to this

I like the phoney “pay freeze” for the White House folks that make more than 100k. They just started the job, did they expect a raise next week? They would probably be in line for a raise in a year or so, by that time he will lift the freeze and give them all a raise. It will happen in the the same time frame it would normally happened in but he will look like a real tight wad to the idiots with the room temp IQ’s

By Bobby J.

January 22, 2009 3:18 PM | Link to this

?Flight 93 hijacker Saeed al Ghamdi was referred to secondary immigration inspection when he arrived in late June 2001. He had no address on his I-94 form.?

Ragnar I do believe this was on Bush’s watch. The INS had this guy and just let him go on his merry way.

By The Trurth Comes out

January 22, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this

RE: The Chief @ 2:48 pm. Well said sir. Read and learn people.

By Sam

January 22, 2009 3:26 PM | Link to this

Hey Bob Eubanks. Good try at killing the messengers, but the room temperature IQs belonged to the Bushies that created this mess. Are you one of the 20%ers that act as apologist for those nitwits? If so you might be a few degrees below them on the IQ thermometer. Jeeze!

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 3:31 PM | Link to this

Truth Comes Out @ 3:05 is the latest in today’s parade of America-hating traitors.

Quote: “I hope the ones he turns loose are the ones that are caught carrying out the next terrorist act.”

Another bitter loser who is happiest when America is under attack.

Traitor.

By KUGIU

January 22, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this

LOOKS LIKE THE TERRORISTS GET A BAILOUT BEFORE THE WORKING CITIZENS

By B Short

January 22, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this

Its just Obama letting terriorists go free. He didnt want to fight them in the first place. He would much rather they be here killing us in large explosions. Oh no, that will never happen cause Iran is a small country. What did some of you elect? Its a sad day for America when the new Presidents first order of business is basically to parden every terriorist that wants to kill us. Same people we watched cut off a mans head in video. Oh yea, just bring them into American and then let the lawyers that we taxpayers pay for get them off, set them free to kill us. Good plan I must say.

By B Short

January 22, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this

Its just Obama letting terriorists go free. He didnt want to fight them in the first place. He would much rather they be here killing us in large explosions. Oh no, that will never happen cause Iran is a small country. What did some of you elect? Its a sad day for America when the new Presidents first order of business is basically to parden every terriorist that wants to kill us. Same people we watched cut off a mans head in video. Oh yea, just bring them into American and then let the lawyers that we taxpayers pay for get them off, set them free to kill us. Good plan I must say.

By BS Aplenty

January 22, 2009 3:36 PM | Link to this

Ragnar

Very true - U.S. combat soldiers are generally underpaid for the risks they take. Best wishes for your son.

By Chuck

January 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Link to this

Willful naivete returns to US foreign policy. Exactly the policies that made Al-Qaeda possible. Like some bad cop show, “Send some squadcars out and pick up Bin Laden… and don’t forget to read him his rights!”

By findog

January 22, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this

David S @2:56

“Also lets not forget that we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq with no provocation. Neither sponsored 9-11.”

Only half right. Talaban lead Afghanistan supported and defended al Queda; aQ actually killed the leader of the Northern Alliance for the Taliban on 9/10 because they knew on 9/12 America was coming to kick their cans.

Please try to stay current because when you get it only half right you are equal parts wrong and then you comments carry no weight.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 3:47 PM | Link to this

Dear Bob @ 2:49, I think you do not understand. Leftists are incapable of analysis any more insightful than “poopyhead.”

Dear Headslap @ 2:52, you are correct, I am the only one who can determine the worthiness of my government. Unlike you, I am not a cultist, but rather one dedicated to principles.

Dear Over O @ 2:59, you do not understand, the Constitution is no longer the bedrock of our freedom, rather, in the hands of the leftists, it is now an amorphous, living, breathing, meaningless blob, with no more significance than the most recent vote of a gang of five.

Dear Cindy @ 3:12, certainly we can anticipate the national socialists now in power will have a dossier on every enemy of the state. By the way, who was Jaime Gorelick, and why was her wall a relevant consideration in this analysis?

Dear Bobby @ 3:18, who failed to screen in the first instance? Or is this one like the refusal to accept Osama, because we had not basis to prosecute? The Bush-era controls over potential terrorists were pretty effective compared to those before, or after.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 3:50 PM | Link to this

Dear BS @ 3:36, thanks.

By Dusty

January 22, 2009 4:25 PM | Link to this

ll re

By Dusty

January 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this

ll re

By AlexS

January 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this

I think that Barack Obama has been doing alot of what is needed for the country without much filler. Steps in the right direction, no matter how small, have to pay off sometime. what better place then here and what better time then now to start making them.

By Curious Observer

January 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Link to this

Somebody get Dusty off the sauce again. And II re to you too, Dusty.

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Link to this

I smell brimstone…must be Traitor Dusty lurking at the edges.

By Timmy

January 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Link to this

Bush kept us save for 7+ years, he had to deal with Clinton’s mistake, which lead to 9/11. Obama is in office for two days and he has already made this country extremely exposed and unsafe. The countdown to the next 9/11 is ticking and it will be 100% Obama’s fault when we get hit again. After it happens, we damn well better impeach that a**hole and put him in prison with all the gitmo prisoners he wants to move inside the US borders. Common sense tells you that is just flat out stupid. Obama is already the worst president in history, he beats out Carter by a landslide. Impeach him now, so we as a nation can move on and be safe from the terrorist that want to destroy us. Obama cannot and will not change any countries mind on how they fill about us, it just won’t happen. They hate us no matter what and that is how its going to be forever. All the complete lunictics on the left just don’t understand how the real world is and how important it is to protect the nation from foreign or domestic terrorist. God help us all! Remove Obama today, its the only way to save this nation.

By Chambo

January 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Link to this

It didn’t seem very wise to state Gitmo was closing without any plans released of where these prisoners are headed. What is going to replace this and where do they go? President Bush and McCain wanted to close Gitmo but bigger issues needed to be determined. What about enemies who are captured after Gitmo closes? How do we come up with a good procedure to deal with terrorists? To think that they would be put into our system and given the same rights as citizens doesn’t seem fair. My guess is that the information squeezed out of the detainees through the methods used at Gitmo wouldn’t be permitted in court, and as a result are set free. I understand that some might be innocent, but what about the others who we all know are not innocent and extremely dangerous.

I have to admit that in order to save my child’s life I am perfectly okay with torturing the person who intends to kill my baby or who may have information about someone who killed my son or daughter on 9/11. On the other hand, to close Gitmo does seem like the behavior of true Christian. Since when is holding humans and torturing them for an unspecified time based on assumption the Christian thing to do? Even with all of our Presidents good intentions, I don’t see Gitmo closing within the year.

By Dusty

January 22, 2009 4:48 PM | Link to this

Well, let me try again!!

I see “things” are all tidied up here today. Obama has been sworn in twice so I guess he’s “in” for two terms.

Gitmo “guests” have been sworn out. Two suggestions were given that seemed sensible. Send the “guests” to Murtha’s menage or send them to Alcatraz instead of tourists. A little paint would get the place all homey again.

Liberals here could go west and hold forums every day at Al’traz on THAT AWFUL GEORGE W. BUSH. They could enjoy like-minded enthusiastic interaction with the terrorists. They could also furnish George W. Bush dolls and pins for the “guests” which would teach them the lib custom of sticking pins in the president every day.

Another of today’s achievements: We get TWO FOR ONE with Hillary and Bill. Bill will cover the Dept. of Vice and Debauchery as he has all the experience for the job. Practice makes perfect!! Hillary will go after THOSE CONSPIRATORS!

All we need now is another little joke from Biden. Isn’t he a cut-up though! Give us another one, Joe. How about the one about the treasury man that forgot to pay his taxes? That’s a good one!!!

By Jane

January 22, 2009 4:50 PM | Link to this

Ragnar - I notice you are on this blog all day every day. Don’t you have to work?

By Truthifier

January 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Link to this

Jim, have you forgotten that the Clinton Administration was VERY popoular with the voters? If these first few days feel like deja vu to you then think how good the public is feeling!

By findog

January 22, 2009 4:57 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What about just sending them to their home country like we do illegal aliens? Or better yet a reverse Mariel just open the gates…

By Dusty

January 22, 2009 5:18 PM | Link to this

Dear findog,4;57

I was also thinkimg there were other options for terrorist prisoners. We could try a Blago-Chicago maneuver and take bids. I am sure the Mafia, the Medlin Drug Group, The anti-War Protection Group, the Ayers Training Troops would all pay big bucks for these experienced guys. We might as well help the ECONOMY!!!

Or perhaps the “guests” could be trained as the Border Patrol blood hounds. Can you imagine how effective that would be? Like “Get OFF that fence, bud, or your head OFF pronto! You see this sword! GIT!”

Nothing like practical ideas. I’m all with our 2-term prez as he says to Democrats, “Change, you nitwits!!”

By EdwardRMorrow

January 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Link to this

Well, looks like Kennedy did not pay her taxes either, just like that deadbeat crook geithner….Does everyone in NY cheat on their taxes? Ah hate new york, and with good reason, the dead beat scum. I will be glad when the financial center of america gits out of New York..they are all crooks there. I demand an investigation of the IRS and their special treatment of geithner..anyone else caught cheating on their social security and medicare taxes would pay big penalties, yet this new york scumbag gits a free pass…could he have pals at the irs who gave him special treatment? That is my guess…

By Headslap Spit Take

January 22, 2009 5:29 PM | Link to this

No longer poised for 24/7 Presidential fellatin’, Sister Dusty seems a tad disoriented lately. She is better at blind worship than satire, though her efforts at the former usually devolved into the latter.

At least she is giving those kneepads a rest.

By EdwardRMorrow

January 22, 2009 5:30 PM | Link to this

Me thinks Dusty need the GitMo treatment, she is a FAT bigoted Bi t ch….Hey dirty ball, did it ever occur to you that at least one of the gitmo prisoners might be innocent? Didn’t think so, you ugly hag….

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 22, 2009 5:31 PM | Link to this

Dear Jane @ 4:50, thanks for noticing. I have the privilege of working even 14 hours per day, if I so wish.

By SEAL Wife

January 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Link to this

To BS Aplenty and Ragnor: I’m sorry I’m just now chiming in on your comments this morning about the Navy SEALS. I’m married to one who broke his neck in the middle east and was retired under Ch. 61. Now, every day, he has unimaginable pain and interminable seizures. Many days, he wishes he hadn’t survived. Since his injury, he has watched his VA benefits dwindle - until Obama was elected to the Senate and was assigned to the Committee on Veteran’s Affairs. What kills me about you “patriotic” republicans is that you are completely behind our troops, but only when you are sending them into battle to do a job you could never do. When they come home, broken, you want nothing to do with them. It has been the Dems who have taken seriously America’s responsibility to its soldiers, and Obama won my support when he stepped in to cut off Bush’s attempts to eliminate benefits for every soldier suffering from PTSD. The republicans have consistently voted against improved benefits for vets, and veterans’ organizations overwhelmingly backed Obama.

And, by the way, my husband was stationed at Gitmo, he has performed waterboarding, and he has been waterboarded. He also taught other soldiers how to survive being captured. He is the strongest man I know, and was one of the 20% who didn’t ring the bell and made it all of the way through buds. If you ask him, he will tell you, without hesitation, that waterboarding is torture and inherently unamerican. He’ll also tell you that, while it is effective in getting information, it is useless in getting reliable information. He cheered when Obama announced he was closing Gitmo. I’ll credit his opinion over yours, and Whooten’s, any day.

By Dusty

January 22, 2009 5:45 PM | Link to this

Dear Edward R. Murrow

I knew those cigarettes would poison your brain right after your lungs fell apart.

NOW which anti-American group do you represent? Any that will take you? Better clean up your act, Eddie, before you get hauled away with the rest of the trash.