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Borrow, yes, but limit state spending growth
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue proposed earlier this week that the state create its own public works spending plan to stimulate the economy. “I am going to be aggressive with our bond package to use the good credit and the good name and the good balance sheet of Georgia to do our own stimulus package,” he told legislators.
The size of the proposed borrowing was not announced.
More borrowing and spending in this economy is not necessarily bad — assuming future borrowing is curtailed and that the projects being built are those essential to its growth.
State Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock), the incoming Georgia Senate majority leader, joined with the group Americans for Prosperity at a Capitol news conference Wednesday to renew his push for a state constitutional amendment to limit future spending. That is a crucial element. The one he proposed in the last session, SR 20, along with another in the House proposed by State Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ranger), HR 956, were flexible enough to allow the General Assembly to get through revenue downturns. Both tied spending to inflation and population increases.
Borrow, yes, if borrowing now results in less borrowing in the future. But with it should come the discipline of a reasonable cap on the future growth in state spending. Otherwise politicians will find two times where new spending is imperative: To “catch-up” when money is flowing and to “stimulate the economy” when it’s not.




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Comments
By Mort Merkel
December 11, 2008 8:18 AM | Link to this
Here’s a couple of public works projects. Restore veterans home funding. And, restore the lovely, but endangered, campus of Central State Hospital.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 11, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I am not a Keynesian; I do not believe “public works” spending stimulates the economy; rather, it enriches the recipients of the funds. Thus, I think the governor’s plan is misguided at the lowest level. If one truly wishes to stimulate the economy, reduce the take of government, so that the actual earners have more to spend and/or invest.
I don’t have a strong thought on constitutional spending caps. If they are strong enough to be meaningful, they constrict the government in lean times (that is supposed to sound like a good thing when I write it.) They are never strong enough to be meaningful.
By Blogfather
December 11, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
Spending. Credit debt. China is going to be calling us all to collect one day when we fall behind in our payments to them. Of course the voice on the phone will be Indian. Yes, america, Is Uncle Sam available? Our records show you are two payments past due…can you make a minimum payment by phone of 700 billion dollars? What do you mean you bailed out football? You have responsibilities and you cant just throw our money away like that. Your credit reputation is at stake here. Look outside the harbor, where your statue of liberty is. See our Navy? Yeah, we used all the trade surpluses to buy aircraft carriers. Either pay up or the Lady loses a finger. Or maybe a knee. We dont care. Either way, she dont feel so good. Capeetz? Well, what do you have to say? What? No, we dont want to buy a senate seat. Pay up!!
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 11, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Answer to a dumb post on this blog yesterday:
Jesus was not a leftist. He never called for higher taxes or bigger government programs. He was no friend of lawyers. He never opposed teaching the word of God in schools. He was always contemptuous of those society leaders who told other people how to live their lives. He never thought government should make medical decisions, nor to determine who should be able to purchase health care services. He did not believe promiscuity was good, nor that use of intoxicants was virtuous; indeed, his closest followers told us the human body was a temple to God. And He went to church regularly, and urged others to do so (in fact, rumor has it He was a preacher.)
On the other hand, like most leftists, He thought He was God. But then, perhaps that magnifies a difference rather than a similarity?
By findog
December 11, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this
The problem with Georgia investing in infrastructure is that the leaders of the state and DOT do not know how to build roads anymore. It takes six to seven years to build a new road, and similar lengths to upgrade where the right of way has to be acquired. With our goober in chief Georgian’s can do little more that quote Charlie Brown, “Were Doomed!”
By Maniac is accurate
December 11, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
Not that anyone should care, because the crap I post is just that most of the time. But, I am dropping the HIDT persona completely. I haven’t jacked anyone in months, but, (and it’s completely my fault) when someone does jack, I fall under suspicion for work I do not wish to be associated with. Oh, I’ll still do the occasional twist on a handle, i.e. Ragnar Damitscold. No more id jacking, though. So, if I’m jacked, I don’t care as long as they follow through to the happy ending. But I’m not doing it to others anymore.
By ron
December 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Now is the time of all good Governors to come to the aid of their friends.Been there,seen this.Pork barrell spending with no strings attached.The name of the successful bidder is Kickback Inc.These are ,to quote my grandfather,”good Republican times”.
Somewhere in the future a tax will have to be enacted to pay for this boondoggery.Not by Sonny,though.He will have moved on to greener pastures.
By ron
December 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
Now is the time of all good Governors to come to the aid of their friends.Been there,seen this.Pork barrell spending with no strings attached.The name of the successful bidder is Kickback Inc.These are ,to quote my grandfather,”good Republican times”.
Somewhere in the future a tax will have to be enacted to pay for this boondoggery.Not by Sonny,though.He will have moved on to greener pastures.
By Redneck Convert
December 11, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Well, my buddy Jim Earl says if the state needs money just borrow it from China. It works for the federal guvmint and it will work for the states too. That way we keep taxes low and it don’t cost nothing.
I have to say I’m suprized Raghead didn’t work capital gains taxes into his argument today. But I’m mighty proud of him for standing up on principle. Here’s a guy that would be in the backwoods of TN today making moonshine and living in a tarpaper shack if it hadn’t of been for a public works program called the TVA. He don’t let that get in the way of arguing that public works programs don’t do no good. We need more good Conservatives like him.
Anyhow, old Sonny must of fell off of the wagon. All you get when you use money to build roads in GA is one guy with a shovel and six others standing around watching him. There’s eight watching if the road building is in Atlanta. We need to hire some Mexicans to do the road building. Leastwise they all work at the same time. Us rednecks can use our pickups to haul them all back across the border when they’re finished.
Have a good day everybody.
By findog
December 11, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Ragnar @8:34 Jesus did say give unto Caesar… And something about taking care of the poor… So therefore he said pay your taxes and take care of the less fortunate… You correctly fix that it is not Caesar’s responsibility to take care of the poor. Our modern day Caesar’s (LBJ and GWB) have decided to expand that role. Jesus never thought he was God, but rather the Son of God, thus establishing the continued myth of mothers about their sons.
By jm
December 11, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
Governors love to borrow money to fund the things they do. It allows them to take credit for the project being built. It allows them to brag about how they kept taxes low. By the time the loan comes due, they will be out of office and some other poor sap will be stuck with figuring out how to pay the bill.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 11, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
I think the abundance of intelligence on the morning blog is due to the fact that our genial host has our leftist friends intellectually cornered. Either they must support Gov. Sonny’s high concept, or they must reject Barack Obama’s grandiose graft pool.
Dear Maniac @ 8:42, I enjoy your posts under your own name. And you have a great ear (eye?) for mimicry; your imitations of my pedantic style were quite good, and frequently were smarter than I would write myself. So I’m probably the only one who will miss your “namejacking.” I hope that does not constrain your publishing under your own name.
Dear findog @ 9:08, you good-humored wisdom always brightens my day.
Dear redneck @ 9:04, why do you infer I am not now making moonshine in my tarpaper shack? That life would be the ultimate in tax avoidance, would it not? You surely are aware of your logic flaw, that only a government agency would have provided electricity in Tennessee? In my Tennessee fantasies I like to imagine that the self-reliant people of my former state might have found a more-individualized way to provide for their power needs, just as they did for intoxicants.
By findog
December 11, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Maniac @8:42 Recidivism rates for your malady are very high. I hope you find a strong support group for as far as I understand there is no FDA approved drug therapy for ID Theft. Maybe you could start IDTA: identity theft anonymous…
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
The tax exempt municipal bond market is frozen, who does the FATVET think is going to lend him the money? When the NaziGuv of Ca defaults on state general purpose tax exempt bonds you will not be able to give the things away. Everyone, recalculate your state income tax, and adjust your with holding so you owe a small amount next year….because I suspect the State will be even slower in providing income tax refunds, and could even default, imho, not just here, but in all 50 states..
By Maniac is accurate
December 11, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Government jobs programs do more long term harm than short term good. But, when you see unemployment in the northwest corner of the state at 9 percent and social service agencies overrun with requests from desperate families, it is heartrending. Volkswagen and its suppliers can’t build and start production fast enough for this area.
By Blogfather
December 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
When has debt ever hurt this country? I remember chicken little warnings about the national debt going back fifty years.
Debt has never hurt us. Debt is good. Fire is good. Greed is good. Good is good.
Shakespeare was the one who said neither a borrower nor a lender be. But he was making that up. Christ said to give to caesar, which was the world’s first reference to treasury bills, my friends.
They’ve estimated the cost of the crucifixion to be about the same as the cost to impeach Clinton. If you consider the cost of housing an army that would be available to contain the crowd rioting over releasing Barrabas, throw in the cost of the scouraging, the crowd watching the cross parade, add in the nails, the wood, and having an emergency vehicle standing by in case any of the rabble passed out, and if U add in all the incidentals, then, I think the estimate is accurate. Why, the price of shrouds alone had skyrocketed in the months before the crucifixion because of the new Roman funeral ordinances that Pontius Pilate had passed. It seems the old method of just letting them rot on the cross blocked the view of all the billboards the roman economy was advertising with.
They estimate there were a million crucifixions over the centuries Rome ensured order with them. There were three on Good Friday alone. Those other two must have wondered WTF? Imagine them talking to each other as they witnessed all the attention on Christ. “What R U in 4? Ah, I kilt a goat herder in a drunken rage. U?” “Same.” “What’s this guy done?” “I heard he PO’d the money changers and threatened to blow up the temple”. “He’s got guts, you gotta give him that.” “yeah, but if we dont respect the kosher laws, then what did we bother coming out of egypt for? You know?” “Oh, that’s brilliant. There were 50 other prisoners on death row and I get crucified with the one schmutz. This guy did nothing, you schmutz” “You use that word alot, I dont think it means what you think it means.” “STFU, you schmutzer, if I could come down from the cross I’d kick your A…Hey, Jesus, can you come down and get me off this cross, I’ve got a score to settle.” “Leave him alone, you fool, he’s innocent. Remember me this day, lord”. “I say to you, that before this day is over, you will be with me in paradise.” “There, you see? Maybe if you hadn’t been just a jackass, you’d be with him in paradise too. Bwa haw” “The only pair of dice you’re gonna see is those dice the romans are gambling over this guy’s cloak for.” “Snake eyes! He’s not getting the cloak. hey, fool! Blow on the dice first. Moron.”
The insulted and drunk roman soldier stood up, and threw his spear at the heckler on the cross, but, being very drunk, he missed, and hit the Christ. Blood and water poured out all over the Drunk Roman. “you’ll pay for this, you…”
With that Christ realized that all mankind was just one big schmutz. “Father, Y have U 4saken me?” but it was too late to change his mind and he gave up the ghost.
On the third day he rose again from the dead. His entire appearance was so different that at first sight, his apostles didn’t recognize him at all. Then they did recognize him. Strange.
Have you ever wondered what is was that changed Christ’s appearance so markedly? And how could the apostles not recognize him. It’s like when my mother came out of heart surgery two years ago. I saw her being wheeled out. I stood as she went by and I swear there was an angel at the head of her cradling her with his wings, no I couldn’t see that, I felt that, the impression of the scene was that the angel was there, he was gigantic, huge wings, and my mother was unrecognizable. I know this sounds crazy, but upon reflection I know that angel was there. I can just make it out. I was inches away from an angel.
You see, like Nixon’s mother, my mother is a saint.
Maybe.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
The only project that makes sense for Georgia is reservor construction…we need to increase our water supply. We do not need any guv funded swimming pools, parking lots, tennis courts, football stadiums, etc. One of the biggest thefts of public funds came when Georgia Public Broadcasting robbed the Georgia Lottary for a hundred million bucks to build their obscene palace to liberalism….that money was to pay for kids to go to college, not put marble floors in a palace for npr and its ilk…Everyone, cancel any and all pledges to npr, now and forever….
By Dennis
December 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten writes, “Borrow, yes, if borrowing now results in less borrowing in the future. But with it should come the discipline of a reasonable cap on the future growth in state spending. Otherwise politicians will find two times where new spending is imperative: To “catch-up” when money is flowing and to “stimulate the economy” when it’s not.”
Does anyone recall Mr. Wooten’s alarms about the deficit spending of George W. Bush?
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Dear Maniac @ 10:09, maybe P-R-A-C @ 10:17 has the solution to the NE GA unemployment problem. Even I could support a “public works” project to dig a massive water pipeline parallel to I-75. We’d have to negotiate a deal with Tennessee.
By findog
December 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
PRAC @10:17
We do not need more reservoirs we need to expand the current ones. A new reservoir takes years to design and permit. Then the upstream property owners within a seven-mile radius have larger stream buffers, which in the Piedmont Region can render property un-developable. Dredging the sediment from existing facilities and/or expanding their footprint requires much less permitting and there are no additional property owners to deal with through acquisition, condemnation, or added environmental limitations to development.
The truth to public funding of projects and government in general in the State of Georgia is it has all been done based on growth. Local and state government programs and services have all been funded based on growth, which is why all those subdivisions kept springing up throughout the Metro-Atlanta Region. We do not have a government set of services based on fees and taxes we have one based on projected growth. There is now a ten-year glut in residential property so the government is not going to be able to fund services with growth for at least a decade. The sooner we elect officials that will be honest and state what revenue is required for what services are promised the sooner we will become a viable community that will attract good jobs and we can start our growth Ponzi scheme all over again…
By professional skeptic
December 11, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Typical borrow-and-spend republican answer to everything.
Will these projects employ Georgia workers who are US citizens and use materials bought here in Georgia?
What projects are under consideration? Double the size of Go Fish GA? Rural Highways to Nowhere?
By findog
December 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Ragnar @10:42
Even better would be a desalinization plant on the coast with a pipeline up I-16 to I-75. They could make it large enough to wean the Savannah area off ground water to lessen the salt-water intrusion issues we have with the coastal plain…
By Maniac is accurate
December 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
A negotiation is right. All that blowhard state border blather last year was met with much laughter in the Volunteer state … except for John Wilder who brandished the musket he used during the Revolutionary War.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
findog - Expanding existing reservoirs is ok with me, building a pipeline to the Tennessee river is not. Did the City of Atlanta not purchase a stone quarry inside the city limits to covert the deep pit to a reservoir? We could accelerate that conversion. I am opposed to the guv buying other quarries at prices that are inflated simple because the guv is buying…of course that is what the politicalWhores will do, inflate the prices they pay to their croonies and scumbag supporters…if we had a half way decent watch dog local newspaper, we could nail their lying cheating thieving butts to the wall in black and white print, but all we have is the worthless urinal. A lot of metro Atlanta’s water flows South to give the South Georgia rednecks cheap water for their farms….we need to start charging the red necks market prices for that water… The South Ga Red Necks need to tax themselves to build their own reservoirs and farm ponds.
By Maniac is accurate
December 11, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
PRAC, as a native of South Georgia, I’d love for you to meet some of the good folks you disparage (for what reason, I can’t imagine). And, actually, water flows where it flows. “Atlanta’s” water mostly flows west and benefits Alabama and Florida more than it does the majority of South Georgia.
By Glenn
December 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Sorry. Sorry. But the very viability of such a phrase as “limit state spending growth” just tickles my funny something fierce.
Thanks! I needed that!
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
My problem with south georgia is their constant theft of money and resources from Metro Atlanta, see QBE and property taxes, and the diversion of water resources South….The Chat flows South to the Gulf, and the Alabama thieves have their hands in the pot too…Just because the federal pecker heads built the dam does not make the waters that fall on Georgia soil Federal property…We need to trap our water before it gits to the land of the Federal PeckerHeads….Who cannot even read a water gage correctly, and are way too stupid to tell when that gage is broken….Hundreds of idiots at the army corpse of engineers should have been fired over that act of civil engineering stupidity….never trust a civil engineer, they are all idiots…
By ron
December 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Dear professional skeptic @ 10:57—-U.S. citizens cannot be employed by Republican contractor as you have to pay them at least minimum wage.That wage,as you well know, is at the heart of the present financial crisis.All work will be performed by citizens of Zimbabwe,who are now willing to work for one meal a day.I think they’ve already done this in the South once before.
By findog
December 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
Maniac @11:09 Atlanta’s natural watersheds a basically divided between the Atlantic and Gulf it is just that the reservoirs and main intakes are on the western side of the Chattahoochee Ridge. I agree with you on South Georgia not being the problem. If Metro Atlanta had sewer service to the majority of development, not septic tanks, and returned the water from the watershed from which it was withdrawn there would not be the water war we have now. Problems is Fulton, Gwinnett, and to a lesser extent Hall County’s draw water from the Chattahoochee and then dump it into the Ocmulgee and Oconee Rivers.
By deegee
December 11, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Let’s spend a few million bucks and lots of man hours developing a public works stimulus plan. Let’s get lots of people excited about it while they are anticipating some nice improvements in infrastructure. We’ll get it passed in the legislature and then we’ll only fund a portion of it. We’ll Blago the projects so only the most receptive contractors and local political hacks will get the stimulation. Sounds like a plan.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
We do not need more fancy four lane roads for south georgia, they already have more than enough roads that are empty all the time…I always vote to close our plants in South Georgia when cut backs are necessary….Ya got a few more to be announced this week….
By Dave
December 11, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Redneck Convert - Do you just “cut and paste” that dribble you post everyday. You’re a “one-trick-pony.” Why don’t you head to another blog, where at least it will be something new, at least the first time you post?
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
AJC shrinks circulation area, cuts 156 jobs By STAFF REPORTS
Wednesday, December 10, 2008
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution will reduce its circulation area to 27 counties in and around metro Atlanta and cut 56 full-time and 100 part-time jobs as the media industry faces “unprecedented economic challenges,” the company said Wednesday.
The cutback — the third such move since early 2007 — will eliminate circulation to 22 counties: Banks, Butts, Dawson, Fannin, Gilmer, Greene, Habersham, Haralson, Heard, Jackson, Lumpkin, Morgan, Pickens, Rabun, Spalding, Towns, Troup, Union, and White in Georgia, along with Cherokee, Clay and Macon counties in North Carolina. The change is effective Jan. 11. The move will reduce daily and Sunday circulation about 5 percent. But it will not significantly affect overall readership — a measure of readers rather than the number of copies — because that is based on a 28-county area, the AJC said.
The company said 215 employees have been offered involuntary severance packages as part of a restructuring of the circulation department, but that they may apply for 59 jobs created by the changes. The net reduction is 156 full- and part-time positions.
Metro newspapers around the country are grappling with revenue declines that have worsened amid the economic downturn this fall. Expanded online operations have so far not generated enough revenue to offset the drops.
LOOKS LIKE SOUTH GEORGIA IS BEING CUT OUT…GOOD…
By ron
December 11, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
Dear Dave @ 12:11—-Some of we posters and readers of this Wooten blog actually enjoy Redneck Convert.Without him this place would not be the same.Read him very closely and you will discover a gem in the rough.And he has a 325 pound wife that I’m madly in love with.
By Simple Answers
December 11, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Q: Is the daily dose of Redneck Convert the best the thing about Wooten’s blog?
A: Yes.
Simple Answers, people.
By Dr. Vajajay
December 11, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
I read the redneck convert comment too. I think it’s very funny. I LOL when I read it. I laugh so hard that a milf starts coming in my nose. No wait, that was my prom night in high school. Darn I always get those two things mixed up. I hate myself. I hate blogging. I hate Moslems. Nuke the Shia Superstate!!!!!
By Maniac is accurate
December 11, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
I’ve got the perfect public works project and PRAC can oversee it. We put unemployed metro Atlanta residents to work shoving South Georgia residents into wood chippers. Two problems solved in one worthwhile, noble effort. If any of them try to hide in the Okefenokee like the Seminoles did, then just nuke the damn place.
By ron
December 11, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
At this moment in time it appears that Btian Nichols is going to live and that Caylee Anthony didn’t.Both items are causing me a sad day.
By Pete
December 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Grading Wooten: I call your attention to his last paragraph, where he blew a promising piece which until his last sentence was: Brief. Concise. Informative, entertaining, and accurate. But then he writes, “to catch up when money is flowing and to stimulate the economy when it’s not.”
Vague. Indecipherable. Raises a thousand questions. Is Wooten the long awaited Anti-con? Look at the title: Borrow, yes? WTF? I knew that conservatism was off the hook, but I never thought that Wooten would start phoning it in. (Oh, dont reach for THAT one, Jbmlaw, it’s WAY over your head).
jklolwamcimn
By Doc Holliday
December 11, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this
But on a brighter note, ron, Jennifer Aniston has posed nude for a magazine.
By Pete
December 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
doc, do you think Jennifer Aniston has an older sister for me?
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
You are brrilliant Maniac is accurate, not only do we put people to work shoveling, and git ride of those south georgia deadbeats, but we can compost the output of the chipper, and make a nice high nitrogen fertilizer ta sell on the open market…such a great thought…the only one better is the one from “Fight Club” where they stole the bags of liposuctioned FATGIRL fat and made it into an expensive face cream that they then sold back to the very same fat girls, at the same clinic….oh, is that a form of cannibalism, putting your own liposuctioned fat back on your body as a skin softenting cream??? Did ya hear about the Canadian Ice Hockey player who got suspended for making an innocent and honest comment. Seems he has had a large number of brief girl friends the last two seasons. Other players in the CHL have started serious relationships with some of these cast off girls, and a couple have gotten married. His comment was “I understand it is now popular with some CHL players to fall in Luv with my sloppy seconds…” and they suspend him for that????
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Doc Holliday - Jenn didn’t show any important body parts….ya know, the T and A….T** and A*….
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
With the internet being what it is today, ya gotta add putty shots too, so we got T, and A and Putty…
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Dear Pete @ 1:44, tempt me not. Like Andruw Jones, I’ll swing at ‘em even a foot off the plate.
By Gator Joe
December 11, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Wooten: The economy must indeed be in dire straits for you to say: “more borrowing and spending in this economy is not necessarily bad.” Republicans are always talking about spending cuts or spending caps, unless they are looking to spend tax dollars for their pet projects such as, unnecessary wars, unnecessary weapons systems, no-bid contracts for military contractors.
By Doc Holliday
December 11, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
She shows enough for the shot to prove useful to me.
By Ga Values
December 11, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Politicians-R-All-Crooks 10:17 AM
Zig Zag Zell’s Brother in Law Warner Rogers was fired by the taxpayers, so Zell made him the head of Ga. PBS. Without any authority or budget Warner Rogers spent this money & the legislature bailed Rogers out rather than putting him in jail. At this time Zell was a Demorat rather than the god father of the Republican party so I guess this was a leftist plot. Douring his 8+ years as State School Super. Warner did a worse job than Ms. Cox but less bad than Shurinko.
I am personally opposed to Georgia going into debt for make work projects. My wife just bought some local tax frees at a yield of 4.5%, hope they pay off.
By W
December 11, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
“After battling through the weekend to reach a compromise with congressional Democrats, the White House yesterday dispatched Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten to sell the plan to restive Republican senators. But many GOP lawmakers emerged from a combative luncheon with Bolten unconvinced the plan would compel Detroit automakers to make the painful changes necessary to restore them to profitability… .
“[M]any Republicans think the automakers’ problems could be more efficiently resolved by a bankruptcy court with legal power to dissolve existing contracts than by a government ‘car czar’ whose actions could be swayed by Washington politics.
“‘Instead of the car czar, this ought to be titled the president’s puppet,’ complained Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), echoing the concerns of many of his GOP colleagues. Corker yesterday unveiled an alternate proposal that would force bondholders in the car companies to accept equity as partial payment; force the [United Auto Workers union] to immediately reduce worker pay packages to match Nissan, Toyota and Honda; and ban compensation to idled workers, among other provisions.”
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Well, at 39 I would expect her to show a little putty…its not like its brand new and never been used before…A woman on her third marriage once assured me ya can’t wear the putty out, no matter how many husbands have been there before, or husband-don’t-wannabe’s, still it is old and wrinkled, so maybe she is just saving us the horror….I would like to propose a cage fight, for charity, between Jenn and that Agi girl what stole that gay guy Brad from Jenn…two go in, one comes out…pay per view, in the nude….Ah git to pick the charity, namely, ME….
By W
December 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell broke with the White House Thursday over a proposed $14 billion loan package for ailing automakers, all but assuring its defeat this week and forcing the administration to consider other emergency steps to avert bankruptcies among Detroit’s Big Three this winter.
The Kentucky Republican, with a large auto presence in his state, had been seen as a potential ally for the industry, and he provided crucial support for the Treasury Department’s financial markets rescue fund this fall. But he has since endured a punishing reelection fight. And faced with strong resistance in his caucus, he said that the bill “isn’t nearly tough enough” and that he could not ask taxpayers to “subsidize failure.”
McConnell’s floor speech follows Wednesday night’s House vote approving the bill 237-170, with 32 Republicans supporting the administration. House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) had hoped the better-than-expected margin could help tip the scale in the Senate, but Speaker Nancy Pelosi didn’t hide her unhappiness with the lack of Republican support — a harbinger of the Senate situation.
“To have just 32 Republicans, you think, ‘Why don’t we write our own bill?’” she told Politico, citing the concessions she made to the White House . And the California Democrat said this could mean that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson will have to do what he hasn’t wanted: tap financial rescue funds to keep General Motors Corp from falling into bankruptcy in President Bush’s last weeks in office.
“He may. He may,” Pelosi said.
With the House prepared to go home for the year, the Senate is now the major battleground.
And a Republican luncheon captured the mood Wednesday, as the president’s top aides were greeted by skeptical — sometimes animated — exchanges. Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, often took the lead, shedding his typical reserve. Senators from Kentucky and Tennessee jumped in as well. “It was ugly,” laughed one administration official, after a few hours to heal.
“We had a spirited discussion. … There’s a lot of misgivings,” said Shelby.
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), a close White House ally over the years, said the lunch reflected a “tremendous number of reservations, to be kind.”
“I don’t think the Bush administration and Senate Republicans are on the same page in this case,” Gregg told Politico. “The White House wants to get out of town without a bankruptcy, and we’re going to be left with whatever they leave us.”
One option now would be to amend the 37-page bill negotiated Tuesday night with Democrats, and Gregg showed some willingness to participate in this process. “The ink isn’t dry,” said Missouri Sen. Kit Bond, an auto state Republican who supports the loans. “I think at this point, given the discussion we had today, there are some changes that would be beneficial that might help us get to 60 votes.”
But getting his fellow Republicans to the table won’t be easy. And given the bailout fatigue among members and their constituents, it’s not clear how much the critics truly want to deal.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
We already got a legal procedure for failing companies, its called Bankruptcy…Ah suggest we use it, on AIG, GS, WB, F, GM and all the other debt loaded pos’s out there…I will never buy an American bond or other form of debt again, and neither should you, if the Federal PeckerHeads push their fat butts to the head of the line for pay back, ahead of the people who are already in line…the fed loan money goes to the soon to be bankrupt company, the bond holders do not benefit, yet the pecker heads think they git to take priority over them…check out the fifty amendment, IDIOTS…JUST SAY NO TO ANY AND ALL AMERICAN DEBT INSTRUMENTS…
By Pete
December 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Blog: Cynthia Tucker’s opening post-election racial gambit is “Should ebony and ivory towers merge”?
What followed were the typical pointy-head’s faux-progressive comments that one would expect in the wake of integration, dr king, and now the black prez.
Generations R going 2 have 2 pass for true justice.
Check out Cynthia Tucker’s blog, even though commenting is closed. It reveals where we are.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
The Greatest Christmas Movie of All Time is “Bad Santa”…..
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this
Cindy is a BAD Girl, bad, bad, bad….old and ugly too, with bad breath…
By Pete
December 11, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this
Foot off the plate? that’s a strike (according to the genius umpires lately)
What happened to the strike zone? WTF? the umpires are so ridiculous that baseball has the instant replay rule.
I’ve always hated the umpire. Always.
That’s the only reason why I think I rule.
By Sonny the Socialist
December 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
Last week, when questioned about his Philadelphia meeting with Barack Obama, Gov. Sonny Perdue raised doubts about the president-elect’s plans for economic recovery.
“We expressed our concern that we cannot borrow our way back into prosperity,” Perdue said.
But that Keynesian virus is pretty powerful, and the governor announced yesterday that he had come down with a significant infection:
Gov. Sonny Perdue told state lawmakers Tuesday that he will propose an “aggressive” package of borrowing to build schools, libraries, roads and other facilities to help stimulate Georgia’s struggling economy.
By Pete
December 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Like U know what “Keynesian” means.
By CommunistAJC
December 11, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Blame Bush, Obama — Or Us?
By Victor Davis Hanson
When someone screams about a terrible policy of the present administration, just pose four questions:
First, was the controversial decision taken with bipartisan support? Second, were there precedents for such action in prior Democratic administrations? Third, will such polices continue under the newly elected Obama administration? Four, have the media changed their position on the issue since the November election?
If the answer is yes to these questions, then the acrimony was probably about politics and style, not principle and substance.
Take the so-called war on terror. The Patriot Act passed Congress in October 2001 by majorities in both parties — and was reauthorized in 2006. The original versions of the FISA wiretapping accords were enacted under the Carter administration in 1978.
Both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were given authorization by Congress. The pre-9/11 precursor for the removal of Saddam Hussein was the unanimous passage of the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act — prompted by then-President Clinton’s warnings about Saddam’s dangerous weapons: “Some day, some way, I guarantee you he’ll use the arsenal.”
President-elect Barack Obama no longer believes that the controversial FISA accords should be repealed. And the retention of George Bush’s secretary of defense, Robert Gates, along with the impressive appointments of Sen. Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and former Bush Mideast envoy Gen. James L. Jones as national security adviser — all of whom were in favor of removing Saddam — suggest that those who once supported the Iraq war will have more foreign policy influence in the Obama administration than those who opposed it all along.
Talk of a shredded Constitution and the need to immediately shut down Guantanamo Bay are no longer daily fare in the U.S. media — particularly after the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Suddenly we have sober reflection about how to stop such a paramilitary attack here in the U.S. — and what to do about monsters in custody in Guantanamo, such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed architect of 9/11.
Like it or not, radical Islamic terrorism antedated George Bush and will continue after him. And while we may lament how Bush sometimes conducted or articulated his policies, his support for beefing up homeland security, hitting terrorists hard abroad, supporting Democratic movements in the Middle East, and replacing two odious tyrannies with consensual governments once appealed to a broad number of Americans.
Because they are largely sound strategies, they will not change much under a more charismatic President Obama — who for at least a while will enjoy the benefit of the doubt when confronting the same old nasty lose/lose choices.
On the economic front, we can apply the same type of critique to the present meltdown.
The origins of our current mess were threefold: high energy costs, reckless borrowing and skyrocketing housing prices that squeezed family budgets. Promiscuous lending at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae created undue risks and increased foreclosures. The lack of proper oversight of Wall Street speculation ensured that a ripple of worry soon became a torrent of panic.
But deregulation of Wall Street finance accelerated first under Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. Radical risk-taking at Freddie and Fannie was overseen by former Clinton officials and heartedly supported by Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank, the chief Democratic congressional watchdogs.
The controversial Bush bailout plan will be continued — or expanded — by a President Obama. We may see Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke remain in office in the manner that Bush extended Alan Greenspan’s eight years under Clinton.
Faulting Bush for the wild climbs in oil prices to $147 a barrel would mean also praising him for reducing gas costs below $1.50 a gallon as oil in tough times crashed to less than $50 a barrel. In truth, American dependency on foreign oil and vulnerability to wild swings in price have been chronic since the first Arab embargoes over three decades ago. Note that President-elect Obama has dropped talk of a windfall-profits tax on omnipotent oil companies. Supposed energy cabals that jacked up gas prices have now morphed into clueless oil companies that can’t stop them from crashing.
Many of our unpopular policies concerning terrorism, energy and finance are of long duration. They resulted from collective decisions by Congress, past administrations — and us, the people, in our daily lives. They were no more the fault of George Bush than they can be easily be solved by Barack Obama.
We should remember that fact in 2009, when the once-messianic Obama will become all too human, as he is overwhelmed by structural problems of terror, war and money not all of his own making — and the once-demonized but now retired George Bush will seem downright competent.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
Pete, its is derived from the Keystone Cops, the greatest police force the world has ever known….Keyneasian means we hire more cops on tricycles with nite sticks to bust up people who disrespect them…its GREEN TOO, those little plastic Big Wheels are all leg powered…and they got a siren too…
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
Wasn’t Robert Mugabee once call the messiah of Rhodiseaseia? Seeing as how the whitish house is built on a former swamp, ah sure hope we don’t git no Rhodiseasian Disease like cholera…..oh, wait, we got CDC, Kudzu Centeral, right here in Altanta ta save us….ah hear they got people walking arount over there wearing Pith Helmits and carrying riding crops…….No, those ain’t riding britches, them are fat girls with a lot of celluliet in their legs….lots of FAT GIRLS at CDC….
By Dusty
December 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Politicians need to review the meaning of THRIFT. Thrift means not spending more than you have on hand. Thrift means NO BORROWING because you pay more on the repay than you got to start with. In other words you LOSE more than you gain.
Thrift means getting by on what you have in your hand or bank, not what somebody else has. Thrift means being optimistic with what you have. Thrift means figuring out how to get by on what you have.
Beware of any political converstion that starts with “We will be better off to borrrow…..” NO, we will not.
Beware of …”Our economy will be better”…That is pure guessing.
Beware of ..”We can’t get it done with what we have”…..Hire someone who can.
Beware of…”As a politician I will stop spending except for this & this & this”….STOP means NO EXCEPTIONS
If this is simple, it doesn’t seem so to politicians. Let’s make it simple for those that govern. Make it thrifty or GO.
By L.B. Tarian
December 11, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
Preach it, Sister Dusty. Amen!
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Dusty the economist? Maybe! The role of guv should be to smooth out the business cycle, not to create a new cycle, as the Green Weenie was trying to do. So in times of reduced demand, the guv should be the buyer of last resort for essential products and commodities, purchasing them at the cost of production, but no more, and allowing the producer to store them at or near the site of production, at no cost to the guv. Later, when demand exceeds productive capacity, the producer must buy back their own product back from the guv at a small markup, and use it to satisfy demand. This works well for items that store well, like copper, iron ore, and wheat….even automobiles and trucks assuming they are stored indoors and models do not change radically. It does not work well at all with items that are junk to begin with, like toys, womens clothes and shoes, and food stuffs that spoil. So, we should bring back the National Strategic Stockpile, filling it with metals, oils, gases, foods that keep well, and some manufactured products. But it must be known to all that purchases are really just loans to the producers which must be repaid prior to any take over, sell out, or bankruptcy. Of course, crooked lawyers like our former guv RoytheCrook will look for loop holes and weaknesses to steal from such a well meaning program, but the solution to that problem lies with the hangmans noose…..
By dustbuster
December 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
I know thrifty. I blog in the same house dress I made back in 1975 from some old kitchen curtains that the husband soiled while wiping biscuit gravy from his mouth.
By Ga Values
December 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Dusty 3:41 PM
Did you really vote for Saxby the Socialist?
By Dusty
December 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Pol @3:59
No, I am not an economist. You don’t have to give it a name to have basic knowledge which is what I have written about “economy”.
Webster tells that “economy” is:* thrifty management: frugality in expenditure or consumption of money, material,etc.*
That is the basic meaning and it goes on from there to a greater expansion. I am simply urging politicians to remember obvious facts and results.
The average citizen seems less than thrifty but we expect more of our politicians than we do of ourselves.
By Mort Merkel
December 11, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
You know, it used to be standard operating procedure to put the records of the teams in game stories. I read Hawks stories, and Sekou never includes the records of the teams. Then, irritated, I click on the scoreboard feature and NBA Eastern standings and am greeted by a blank screen. Geez frickin’ Louise. The AJC sometimes smells like high-nitrogen South Georgia redneck chippage.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
There in lies the problem Dirty Girl, by expecting more from the politicalWhores, we grant them powers and trust that they do not deserve, and that they abuse at will….like Zell and hundrem million dollar theft from the Ga College students for Georgia Pubic Broadcasting, SonnytheThief’s sweetheart tax deal on land, RoytheCrooks many criminal acts, imho, and the Chimps war of aggression against Arabs and Muslims in Iraq….We should never ever trust a politician, rather we should require them to allow 24/7 electronic audio/vidoe surveillance by the public, the press, and anyone else who thinks politicians are crooks… Do ya want proof positive all politicans are crooks? Ok, most politicians are dirty sneaky thieving lawyers….
By Dusty
December 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
dustbuster@ 4:03
Sounds good to me. But I am surprised that you have a husband. Did you make your OWN biscuits and gravy and did the old man survive?
Folks, you have here a real ECONOMIST!!
*GA Values *4:13
I certainly did vote for Saxby the Seasoned Repub Senator. He’s bound to be better than a Neophyte Lib Loser. Too many of those in Washington already.
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this
Talk about Dirty Girls: Updated 11:17 p.m., December 9, 2008
ANDERSON — A trio of Anderson girls are in hot water with their fast-food employer for dipping themselves into the sink used to clean dishes.
One of the girls bathing in the sink at the Anderson Kentucky Fried Chicken posted the photos on the Internet and after management learned of them, all three were suspended today, said Cheri, assistant manager at the restaurant. She declined to give her last name.
“The girls are being reprimanded for it,” Cheri said.
She said she learned of the photos, which had been posted publicly on the girl’s MySpace.com social Web site, during the dinner rush today.
Cheri did not give the names of the girls.
The photos, which appeared to have been posted late last month, showed the girls bathing in the deep commercial sink and posing in their underwear and swimwear.
“I was in shock when I saw it,” Cheri said.
She said no manager was on duty when the photos were likely taken, when the three girls closed the restaurant themselves. In her more than a year at the store, Cheri said she hadn’t had any incidents similar to this.
The photos had been filed under a gallery called “KFC moments.” Captions for the photos included “haha KFC showers!” and “haha we turned on the jets.”
On her MySpace page, the girl lists herself as a 17-year-old worker at the Anderson KFC.
“I’m a KFC worker, they are my best friends and my family,” she said on her site.
Although the pictures were available to the public earlier today, all of the photos on the girl’s site were restricted to private viewers tonight.
The three are not the first to cleanse themselves in a fast-food sink and get in trouble because of the Internet.
In August a 25-year-old Burger King worker in Xenia, Ohio, was fired after a four-minute video of him taking a birthday bath in the restaurant’s sink appeared on MySpace.com and YouTube.com.
The spiky-haired Timothy Tackett became a minor celebrity earning national news attention for the video, in which he appeared to be naked in the sink.
I WILL NEVER EAT AT A FAST FOOD PLACE AGAIN…
By Politicians-R-All-Crooks
December 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this
DID I MENTION THAT POLITICIANS SMELL REAL BAD….?
By Chad Harris
December 11, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
My bank is already into the our pocket for $3.5 billion and they just asked for $1.4 billion more.
And I applaud the common sense of the Repubican Senators like Ensign and McConnnel who usually don’t seem to have a clue. Just say absolutely no to the bill for $14-15 billion and concession to the Big 3. They and their Congress people and Stabinow and Levin and Ron Gettlefinger made their bed arrogantly and stubbornly and actually ruthlessly. Let ‘em die. Let chips fall where they may. Cerebrus arrogantly refusing to loan their incompetent company money and fighting not to have to guarantee the loan says it all. Screw them.
Stop the f*cking bailouts. They are insane. They have no regulation and they had none of the desire impact.
By Dusty
December 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Pol@ 4:35 Dirty Boy
There you go on one of your brainless rants. You hate lawyers and politicians but you love those terrorists that our mean ol’ President fights away from us. Oh, fiddle de de….”they” are even listening to your phone prattle with bated breath. Uh huh…
Let’s talk sense for a change. You live in the greatest place on earth and you are carrying the biggest bag of “mean” you can conjure up.
Forget it! Work for something better if you don’t like what you got! You might feel better when you STOP sqawking.
By ron
December 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
Dear Doc Holliday———Jennifer who? Don’t kow the lass.I’ve been so busy coveting the woman two houses down that I ain’t had time to look at the news.Why two houses down ,you ask? ‘Cause it ain’t nice to covet your neghbor’s wife.
By Dusty
December 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
POL..
Do you have any more lengthy trivia you want to hang on this place? Cut it out. I like to eat at Burger King.
Don’t worry about the smell of politicians. YOU need “aroma therapy”. Would make you as sweet as a rose.
By Doc Holliday
December 11, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
ron, I found a loophole. Once my neighbors go to work, their college student daughter comes over for some “aerobics.”
By Retired Fixed Income
December 11, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
NO MORE TAXES..