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DEL.ICIO.USTobacco money, Bailout Window, Eric Holder
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
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Advocacy groups are making their annual claim that Georgia should be spending more on anti-smoking efforts. Yet Georgia is at precisely the national average and smoking by adults here has declined from 22 percent to 19 percent in three years. This line of argument — that dollars should be thrown at programs on the basis of a formula or the availability of free money (the tobacco industry settlement) — is something the governor and legislators really have to resist. The tobacco settlement dollars, amounting to $1.42 billion over 10 years, should be put into the state’s General Fund and spent according to competing needs, advocacy groups and phony report cards notwithstanding.
Hurry. The Bailout Window is closing. Or it is fervently hoped. “Printing billion-dollar sums of cash each time an industry faces turmoil is not an economic solution; it is a moral hazard,” declared U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell). He’s five words short, though. Insert “or state or local government” between “industry” and “faces.”
The likely new Attorney General in the Obama administration, Eric Holder, is the Clinton administration retread who essentially green-lighted the Marc Rich pardon in the last hour of Bill’s term of office, prompting a national outrage. Two questions here: Could a Republican get away with doing that? And, on a somewhat related matter, will it be a scandal if U.S. attorneys are fired? It was when Democrats found campaign-value scandal in the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys two years ago.
Anybody surprised at the report by state auditors that the halls of fame created across Georgia are unlikely to be self-sufficient by July 1, the deadline set by the General Assembly? The Golf Hall of Fame in Augusta and the Aviation Hall of Fame in Warner Robins are required to be self-sufficient by that date. Macon’s Music Hall Fame has a 2011 deadline; its Sports Hall of Fame, 2012. John Abbey, who heads the performance audit division, told legislators that without dramatic increases in fund-raising or attendance, they’ll have to stay on the subsidy dole past the deadlines, according to a Morris News Service account by Brandon Larrabee.
A pro-life advocacy group runs a radio commercial that describes Senate candidate Jim Martin as the leader of a “one-man effort” to kill legislation to ban partial birth abortions. If the effort had no followers, how do we know he led? On the campaign trail, the photos accompanying news accounts of “rallies” usually show a few staffers, a few reporters and some stragglers trying to get in out of the cold. Is it a rally if nobody rallies?
Spend no time trying to make sense of campaign commercials. I watched the one that accused Saxby Chambliss of supporting the FairTax and a 23 percent increase in the sales tax that never once mentioned that it would eliminate the income tax and do away with the IRS. Unimportant, I suppose.
President-elect Barack Obama and U.S. Sen. John McCain met and agreed to cooperate on issues like global warming, illegal immigration and others. No surprise here. They sometimes sounded alike on the campaign trail.
Headline: “Auto bailout stuck in neutral.” That is the proper gear.
A trade association representing owners of dry cleaners claims a Florida-based gas marketer, Infinite Energy, exploited the panic of Hurricane Katrina to lock them into long-term contracts at inflated prices. How is this possible? Nobody knows the future of energy prices. Gamble on the future and somebody wins and somebody loses. Case closed.
New-housing construction dropped 4.5 percent last month to the lowest level since 1959. If over-building produced excess inventory, as it did, the market necessarily adjusts, as it’s doing. Too many of anything on the market and somebody wins (buyers) and somebody loses (sellers). Another case closed.
Quote of the week from Jim Martin to Bill Clinton: “You have left us a great legacy.”
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By Actually Yes
November 21, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
Could a Republican get away with doing that?
Actually Jim, Republicans set that precedent. How soon you have forgotten Ford w/Richard Nixon.
By Mid-South Philosopher
November 21, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim. While Senator Chambliss has his faults, I can’t get over Jim Martin and the Republican Senatorial Committee’s misrepresentation of his support of the Fair Tax.
There are lousy politicians and lousier ones. Martin fits in the latter category.
Advice to Georgie Bush…”Consider issuing blanket pardons to yourself and your cohorts. Already the idiot radicals are calling for investigations of possible war crimes. While I don’t know whether or not you committed any, the country doesn’t need to waste any additional time on you after January 20, 2009. Just go ahead and Nixon out and let’s get on with something important!”
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 21, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. One wonders what motivates some people, “Georgia should be spending more on anti-smoking efforts.” Who gets that money? Underemployed sellers of psychological services? Advertisers? This is not a meaningful government issue, and any spending here is a waste of taxpayer funds. I frequently and joyously offend our leftist friends by describing their policies as “thievery,” but Dr. Williams takes the time to explain the intellectual basis for that view in this week’s column, Evil Concealed by Money
The more I see and hear of Tom Price, the better I like him. Georgia has a half-dozen really good Congressmen, and I think no other state can make that claim. Did Newt groom these guys?
One perceives that Obama intends to govern in the “Chicago style,” so it makes sense that his Attorney General would be the sort who would forward the Marc Rich pardon. That was one of the few Clinton acts in the “Chicago style.” For all of President Clinton’s personal defects, that was the only instance of apparent bribery. I guess if you are planning to be bribed, you might as well get it from a billionaire defrauder/thief.
The “halls of fame” are in a class with the anti-smoking spending – a total waste. The only museum in Georgia that appeals to me is the Coke Museum. Whenever we have visitors from out of town, we take them there. A good show, interesting, worth the money; a company showing its best face. The miscellaneous state-sponsored halls of fame have no meaningful raison d’etre, as there are no prospective sales arising from the show.
I choose not to join the Jim Martin bashing. For all I know he is a decent fellow, the Fair Tax misrepresentations notwithstanding. But he conducts a stealth campaign, concealing his views from the voting population. I suspect I know. I voted for Saxbe yesterday. And I’ll repost my tired pro-Saxbe argument the moment the SDS reappears on the blog today.
As a free-immigrationist, I am pleased to see Obama on the side of freedom. As a fan of global warming, I am saddened to see Obama on the side of oppression. The One giveth, The One taketh away.
I suspect the auto bailout is in neutral only so long as George Bush is president. Leftists waste money in ways that make the worst republicans look conservative.
The solution for the dry cleaners is easy. Those things have no capital. File a chapter 11, void the contracts, and emerge. Would work for Detroit too, for the same reasons.
The saddest element of the collapse of the housing bubble is that politicians perceive Washington offers real value, to expropriate taxpayer capital and divert it to preferred industries, “corporate welfare.”
Paul Harvey had the best line, years ago: “Bill Clinton’s legacy is as the punchline for a dirty joke.”
By Doug
November 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
President-elect Barack Obama and U.S. Sen. John McCain met and agreed to cooperate on issues like global warming, illegal immigration and others. No surprise here. They sometimes sounded alike on the campaign trail.
At last two members of opposite parties displaying a semblance of common sense. If “conservatives” continue to not get it on these issues they will sink further and further into the abyss of non relavency.
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this
“Actually Yes”,
I just want to say, as a fan, that you guys are my favorite of all the tribute bands of the Prog Rock scene. I’m saving my money and fully expect to see you at the gaming res come Spring!
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 8:16 AM | Link to this
“Actually Yes”,
I just want to say, as a fan, that you guys are my favorite of all the tribute bands of the Prog Rock scene. I’m saving my money and fully expect to see you at the gaming res come Spring!
By Aquagirl
November 21, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this
Headline: “Auto bailout stuck in neutral.” That is the proper gear.
No, Jim, the proper gear is reverse. Full reverse.
By williebkind
November 21, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
The auto industry is in bad shape for two reasons. One they continued to make cars only the auto makers could afford to buy and operate. Two, the unions have strangled the business with too many benefits and mediocre quality. I say let them fail. These automakers salaries for one week equals to a one month salary for georgians. Are we supposed to continue to allow people of four or five states make huge salaries with tremendous benfits with mediocre skills who normally vote and elect politicians that will do away with our values. I say let them fail. Let them relocate and I do not mean out of country. The unions are an unnecessary evil. We must endeaver to eliminate any form of evil—even if it feels good.
By sane jane
November 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
Not to pile on, but how about Palin’s “Turkey Pardon” interview (while turkeys are being beheaded & fed into a grinder as a backdrop).
http://wonkette.com/404521/check-out-the-hot-new-sarah-palinturkey-grinder-bloodporn
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
Two Yes’s evidently don’t make a No.
What this decaying bassfish wants to flash at, f’um amongst Jim’s various bait of this mornin’, is the stinkbait about Eric Holder. Eric Holder? Are you kidding me? Barack, Dude, I thought you were the whipsmart god-dam Editor of the Harvard damn Law Review, man! What is WRONG with this picture? I mean, I can understand if y’all want to build a kinda locker-room atmoshpere around the Wing, with Rahm and everybody…but, sheee-ut, Dude! HOLDER?!!!
By Reality Check
November 21, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Ah, the hate is alive and well within the wonderful tolerant and diverse world of liberalism and Dimocrats [note: “jaw jaw” is this cretin’s attempt at insulting Georgia residents]:
By Chad Harris November 20, 2008 5:47 PM
“There is no Jawjaw county that has a public school system that’s not a clusterf*cking mess.”
[Note: that’s why parents who care about their kids home school or send them to private schools, left wing liberal moonbat]
“Jaw Jaw has had hick idiot Suxbutt Chumpass voting with idiot Bush 100% of the time and lying because like most [note: Presidents don’t vote on anything - they either approve or deny things - so how can Saxby vote with Bush?] Thug candidates they think the public is stupid. That’s because Chumpass comes from JawJaw where most of them are stupid. Al Franken will win because the US Senate will decide the contested election in the end. That will make 59 [note: Al The Freak will steal the election and is well on his way with fellow leftist liberal hench thugs].”
[If you really want to see stupid, see your typical mindless left wing Obama voter being asked basic questions!]
Watch this Youtube video for how Obama got elected.
STUPID INDEED
By Curious Observer
November 21, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
One they continued to make cars only the auto makers could afford to buy and operate. Two, the unions have strangled the business with too many benefits and mediocre quality.
Selective memory is a marvellous thing.
Even a year ago, US consumers were demanding SUVs—the bigger the better. It was only the relatively recent rise in gasoline prices that turned the tide. To blame the automakers for catering to consumer demand is to exercise a curious brand of hindsight. And it isn’t as though an automaker can turn on a dime and proceed to design, build, test, and market different cars in the period of six months.
The essentially Republican hatred of worker unions is also very curious. My research shows that labor accounts for at most 8 percent of the cost of building an automobile. So it’s the 8% that puts American companies at such a severe disadvantage?
When even one of these corporations is allowed to fail, you will see a cascading effect that will threaten even your own job. Parts suppliers, for example, usually sell to more than one of the Big Three. What do you think will happen when their business is cut in half? Massive layoffs, that’s what, and with those layoffs will go the loss of consumer spending and a great rise in government expense. And no one will buy a car made by a company whose existence in bankruptcy is uncertainty. Bye, bye, dealers, and hello, lost consumer demand of laid-off sales and service people.
The current Congressional approach makes sense to me: require the automakers seeking government loans to submit sensible business plans as a precondition. Show how the money will be used to build cars that make use of alternative energy sources or that get greatly increased mpg from gasoline. It has been Republicans, after all, who have resisted and frustrated all efforts to impose greater mpg standards on the automakers up till now. They can at least join in the effort to require such standards now and to save a major sector of the economy.
Merely hooting about a theoretical free enterprise purity is not enough. There are millions of jobs—and not just those of automakers and suppliers—at stake here. The job you save may be your own.
By Devastator
November 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama plans to nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state after Thanksgiving, a new milestone for the former first lady and a convergence of two political forces who fought hard for the presidency.
One week after the former primary rivals met secretly to discuss the idea of Clinton becoming the nation’s top diplomat, an Obama adviser said Thursday that the two sides were moving quickly toward making it a reality, barring any unforeseen problems.
The senior adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity because the president-elect is not prepared to officially announce the nomination, said Obama believes Clinton would bring instant stature and credibility to U.S. diplomatic relations.
Obama is convinced the advantages of Clinton serving far outweighed potential downsides, the adviser said.
Transition aides said the two camps have worked out financial disclosure issues involving Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, and the complicated international funding of his foundation that operates in more than 40 countries. The aides said Obama and Hillary Clinton have had substantive conversations about the secretary of state job.
Clinton has been mulling the post for several days, but the comments from the transition aides suggested that Obama’s team does not feel she is inclined to turn it down. Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines would not comment, except to say that anything about Cabinet appointments is for Obama’s transition team to address.
Clinton would have to surrender her New York Senate seat, which she has held for eight years, to take the job.
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
Hi, C.O.:
I see you’re kicking butt as usual. Keep it up.
I’ve been traveling a lot lately, and best I can tell the whole dam country’s conflicted splitways: To hell with GM; God save those people. See what I mean? How — I’m asking you, everyone, now — How can we spank the wrong automaking individuals (hint: the ones with the Gulfstreams) while looking after the right automaking, earnest, honest folk?
By Peter
November 21, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Gee Jim…….. this is interesting………
“Quote of the week from Jim Martin to Bill Clinton: “You have left us a great legacy.”
What will the quote for George Bush be…..
” You have driven the Country into the Ground? “
” You have Given Bin Laden a Free Pass? “
” You have bankrupted America? “
” You have created the closet thing America has seen since the Great Depression? “
” The stock market is lower than when you took office 8 years ago… Thank you for Nothing ! “
” You had Zero idea about the Economy ! “
These quotes will define the Worst President EVER !
By findog
November 21, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Jim, The tobacco settlement was based on the cost to the state for health care associated with a lethal product. It should not go to the general fund it should go to health care. Placing it in the general fund allows cowardly politicians to cut taxes based on faulty funding schemes and in ten years when we still have people in hospitals for their final few months we will be either bankrupt or facing another catastrophic budget nightmare. Whatever happened to using funds as intended?
P.S. Outlaw all lobbying during the general assembly, they can speak to our local representatives when we get a chance to during their town hall meetings…
By Aquagirl
November 21, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Curious @ 9:14, the US automakers were free to accommodate consumer demand. So were Toyota, Honda, etc. However, those automakers didn’t put all their eggs into the crap-built SUV market. To have no plan for rising gas prices (aside from a consumer bailout) is stupid. And as Jeff Foxworthy says, “you can’t cure stupid.” Even with a big fat government gimme.
By findog
November 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Yes, brave Tom Price; had GM kept Doraville open what tune would he be singing?
By deegee
November 21, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Why spend tobacco settlement money on campaigns to help people quit smoking when you can put it in the general fund and spend it on “Go Fish” promotions? Or you can use it to prop up some redneck hall of fame that some local political hack had to have in their district.
Enacting the Fair Tax will eliminate the IRS. Sure it will. Read below from the Fairtax.org site.
“The point is oversight will still reside under the Treasury Department but the government’s responsibility will be over a far smaller “universe” of tax collection points making compliance oversight far less costly and far more effective than the current system which costs $265 billion a year in compliance costs and still comes up $350 billion a year short of what is owed.”
Free market economics and the free fall real estate market is just so good for us. Especially when you are retired, have a need to move into an assisted living space and can’t sell your home. What buyer wouldn’t want to take advantage of a market where an elderly person in dire straits will give up tens of thousands in equity just to get out? Case closed.
By findog
November 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
On housing here’s a little something to really fear: In the Metro-Atlanta market there are over 200,000 unfinished homes, or lots ready to build upon. Unless there is some movement into an infrastructure improvement program we are going to lose many grading and pipeline contractors. When they’re gone the costs will be going up due to lack of competition; or worse, national behemoths will take over importing workers to the jobs and just like with illegal immigration our tax dollars will be heading to other states…
By williebkind
November 21, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
The essentially Republican hatred of worker unions is also very curious. My research shows that labor accounts for at most 8 percent of the cost of building an automobile. So it’s the 8% that puts American companies at such a severe disadvantage?
8% times 40K = $3200. Does that also include the INCREASE IN PAID VACATIONS, HEALTH BENEFIT PAYMENTS, AND THE RETIREMENT FUND? Oh yes, and you can not fire a bad or poor performing employee either. Also, the greatest amount of labor is done by robots. Is this what you are selling to me as a consumer?
The only hatred I have seen is not toward the unions but the liberals intense hostility and aversion toward traditional values. If someone disagrees, the liberals Invade the privatcy of conservatives like the emails on Palin and the illegal investigations of Joe the plumber. Even a year ago, US consumers were demanding SUVs—the bigger the better. It was only the relatively recent rise in gasoline prices that turned the tide
The only SUV’s I saw were owned by upper middle class consumers like the automakers. The gas prices stung for sure but they had the funds to maintain.
The current approach by congress should make sense to you and OHB. Spread the wealth to a few selected groups. I do not believe the loss of these companies will be the end of days but rather a restructuring that should have already taken place. It is like drilling for oil. The liberals do not act or nor do preventitive maintenance in a common sense approach but create chaos that you deem needs crisis management by the government to correct.
Of course this is where you are at your best screaming “Bush Lied” and gay marriage is a civil right. You can turn violet in a drop of a hat. Such as the man who struck the young Christian lady in california and kicked her several times. Hatred! How can you say that word after all the hostile actions by the liberal groups? By the way I am not a republican but I am a conservative. I say let them fail.
By Famuan
November 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
Time to retire Jim, it was time 10 years ago, but seriously, give someone with new and fresh ideas a chance….plus you’re so forgetful. You have the nerve to insinuate an issue with Eric Holder when Scooter Libby walks free by the grace of who?? Yeah, your boy Dubya….oops, my mistake, I mean Cheney.
Gee Jim, I just knew you would comment on Sarah Palin’s latest video! LOL!! She pardons a turkey…just one lil problem though….LMAO!!!
By Chip Shirley
November 21, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Limbaugh and Hannity are the political equivalent of Hulk Hogan and the Rock.
It’s pure theater except, more to the point, propaganda.
These two gross liars claim to be the most patriotic and ‘self-made’ Americans out there, but both of them dodged military service while the Rev. Wright served and has an honorable discharge.
When are Americans going to wake up? These two hateful vulgarians laugh like ‘Snidely Whiplash’ as they mock the memory of FDR!
FDR beat Hitler, Limbaugh and Hannity would have licked his boots to get jobs in his propaganda machine.
By Soothsayer
November 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Sane Jane @ 9:00
That was not a grinder it was a apparatus to immobilize the turkey while it bleeds to death. What you could not see was the man slitting the turkey’s throat. It is not cruel. Virtual all meat for human consumption must be slaughtered in this manner (i.e., bleed to death) under FDA rules. These rules follow old Mosaic law from the Pentateuch (1st five books of the Bible).
If you were to ever visit a slaughterhouse you likely would never eat meat again. Cows for example are shot in the head with a “billet” that renders them unconscious but still alive. They are then hoisted by their hind legs and their throats are slit.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Aquagirl, 9:44
Time to catch up girl. Gas prices are DOWN. Now you can go out and buy one of those crap built SUVs made by good ol’ USA GM. OH, I know. Honda—hot stuff, Toyoto—tops, but American made—crap built. Strangely enough, I have a GM car which is a fine automobile which never gives me trouble. Just thought I would mention that as You-American-Built-BOOHOO folks carry on.
That said, American car makers will have to get competitive with prices. Unions will either help compete or GO. CEOs will have to cut the whipcream. Workers will have to realize that they are not brain surgeons even when making fine cars. American government will have to stop subsidizing foreign car makers to get them on this continent. If there is a big market for them, they will come anyway.
NOTE FOR GLENN
Saw your post to me at 11 last night. Been busy. Want to talk about Georgia and other great places (skip California)? Have you heard about Tybee Island, my vacation spot of choice along with my favorite hurriane Faye? They are building homes there on top of historical Battery Backus, old fortifications guarding the Savannah River. WHAT HERESY or something!! SAVE THE BACKUS!! Don’t kill history…! Georgia Trust for Preservation is WATCHING!!
Well, Glenn, get fired up. It is a good morning to do it. All chilly and windy. Know anything new??
By getalife
November 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
“I want to thank everybody who turned out and voted for me in November. Together we can get America moving again,” Obama says. “But the elections aren’t over. In Georgia, there’s a runoff on Tuesday, December 2, and I want to urge you to turn out one more time and help elect Jim Martin to the United States Senate.”
Support our President and vote for Martin.
By williebkind
November 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
FDR beat Hitler, Limbaugh and Hannity would have licked his boots to get jobs in his propaganda machine.
No he did not! General Dwight D. Eisenhower beat hitler. He was the General of the Allied Armies. FDR was dying and his wife ran the country practically. FDR deceived the American people by not revealing how sick he was and allowing Peal Harbor to be attacked without warning. Of course some military officers had to take the blame but if FDR was not so involved in hiding his health and mistress over three thousand American lives could have been saved. I know the liberal media did not tell you these things but it is history and you liberals can not re-write it.
By Redneck Convert
November 21, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
Well, this Glenn wanting to debate with Sister Dusty is like a pro football player wanting a game against a 2 year old. Sister Dusty is godly and all that, but she ain’t exackly a Norman Einstein. Not that there’s anything wrong with your elevator not going to the top floor. It takes all kinds in this world. But Glenn has proved he got no shame, so I reckon he won’t stop till he makes fun of her.
I want all the auto workers fired and on relief. I haul and lug beer all day for $20,000 a year, and they make twice as much just for putting a couple bolts on a wheel. It ain’t right. Well, maybe they can keep a few Ford workers on to make the Ford F-450 pickup, but I draw the line after that.
And the do-gooders need to leave tobacco alone and stop bugging the factorys. The price of Skoal and Redman is already out of sight and if they get their way it will take a whole paycheck just to pay the taxes on it. It’s kind of stupid when you think about it. They say they want to tax it to keep people from using it. Then they turn around and use the money and when people stop using it they will whine about how there’s no money to do what they want. I say let Free Innerprize decide about tobacco.
Have a good day everybody and just skip over anything Glenn and Sister Dusty write from now on. It will be sort of like watching a cow get slaughtered and it won’t be pretty to see.
By ron
November 21, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Morning Glory,Tobacco money needs to be spent wisely in trying to get the 19%TO 0%.Put in the general fund it’s liable to wind up subsidizing tobacco groowers.I’m well aware that everyone has a right to smoke,but that doesn’t put you among the intelligensia of the state.
I’m beginning to enjoy the Obama Regieme.All he need do now is appoint Bill Clinton President and the transition will be complete.
Sports Halls of Fame have to be self-sufficient by July 1st or they’ll have to stay on the subsidy rolls.Ther’s a basic flaw in that premise.
Is everyone sure that a fair tax would eliminate the IRS? I’m not.
There is an overabundance of houses on the market,causing the price to go down.In a couple of years it may even be down to where it belongs.
In a solid republican State,half the people like Martin.This is against an incumbent.
Personally, I did well during the Clinton years.The best of any President I lived under.
Are you sure the Bailout book is closed?Citigroup is making a lot of quacking noises.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
SUPPORT THE COUNTRY AND VOTE FOR CHAMBLISS!
By Gator Joe
November 21, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Wooten: I am undecided with regard to the auto industry bailout. I am certain that a siginficant number of auto workers, and probably the majority of management, voted Republican in the most recent election and during the past 8 years, so they should be left to their fate. However, there is also a significant number of auto workers, and workers at parts suppliers, who vote intelligently and don’t deserve being put out of work. It would be for their sake I might support a bailout.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
Dear RedNeck Convert, 10:56
I am PURELY INSULTED. It is one thing to be insulted by a an Einstein but to be insulted by a moron is a fate worse than being a liberal. But I will carry on anyway for the good of the “cause” whatever that is.
Why are you home spluttering tobacco juice on your computer when you should be delivering beer to other RedNecks? What kind of liberal undercover loafer R U???
I know Obama’s funds are running low until he can get Clinton’s cohorts back in power but you have to take a propaganda paycut for the “cause”, whatever that is (again)
I know you miss the elitist Cap’n Freefall who was the Dr. Jekyll to your Mr. Hyde but that is what you have to bear. And quit burning charcoal on the trailer floor to warm the air coming between the floorboards. You’ll suffocate the missus and how would they get her out the trailer?? Even Obama couldn’t solve that one for you, since he is solving other GREAT WORLD problems.
But keep your nose clean or wherever needs it. Tough times are coming and beer will be banned (converted muslims don’t like alcohol). You asked for trouble. Now you are going to get it. CHEERS!
By RepublicanTurnedDemocrat
November 21, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim. That legacy President Clinton left was called a huge SURPLUS of money. From Reagan on, the Rebulicans have had huge deficits. The corrupt regime of Dubya and Darth Vader was too much for me. Supported Obama and have already voted against Saxby, who doesn’t even know what a recession is! Just like his commander in chief. Spend, spend, spend. I think you would not support Jesus if he came back and ran on the Democratic ticket!
By ron
November 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Dusty,The last time I went to Tybeee there was a huge tree in the middle of the road in Thunderbolt.Still there?Coffee and donuts were 10 cents in Savannah.We turned around at the end of the street and drove to the other end of the highway after a week’s stay.Highway 80 if memory serves me right.The other end was a fur piece down the road.We eventually wound up in Ft. Bragg,but not the Army one,the one in Mendicino county.
By deegee
November 21, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
I had a Chevy Impala company vehicle. I had it for about 16 months and the speedometer stopped working. I took it to the dealer for repair. I left it at the dealer per their recommendation with the expectation that I would get it back in about 24-36 hours. Two days went by and the dealer told me that the part was on order and might take a week to get there. I picked up the vehicle and continued to drive it for another week. The dealer called me and told me that the part was in. I arranged to leave the vehicle again for repair. I checked on the vehicle the next day and they told me that whoever said the part was in was mistaken. They weren’t sure when the part would get there. I picked up the vehicle and couldn’t have been happier when it came time to turn it in to our fleet department.
Four years ago I had a Ford company vehicle for one year. I had to take it to the dealer for routine maintenance. When I drove into the service lane the service personnel did their best to avoid making eye contact with me. After cornering some hapless service agent that was tied down to a phone call, I would wait patiently for that individual to begrudgingly take my service request. I would wait an hour for an oil change.
I now have a Ford company vehicle that is actually pretty good. I have taken the vehicle in for routine maintenance and the dealer has been very responsive. Unfortunately the Detroit automakers have an uphill battle overcoming their reputation for lousy service in addition to the inefficiency of their vehicles.
By Gator Joe
November 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
Wooten: Regarding your criticism of Eric Holder’s nomination to become Attorney General, and his role in the pardoning of Marc Rich, you ask “could a Republican get away with doing that?” Republican Alberto Gonzales has gotten away with far worse offenses, approving torture, violating the civil rights of American citizens (illegal surveilance), approving Bush/Cheney coverups, to name a few. Please come up with more challenging questions to answer.
By RepublicanTurnedDemocrat
November 21, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
Hey, Jim, remember all that capital Dubya had to spend…well he did indeed spend it, and our country right, into the ground. His “mandate” was nothing compared to that for President Obama!
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Repub TurnCoat@11:25
Yeah, sure, Clinton left a SURPLUS of money and a DEFICIENCY IN THE MILITARY which he had depleted. He left just eight months before our country was attacked. He also left the BIGGEST SCANDAL ever seen in the White House. Now he wants to return in the form of HILLARY to complete his dismissal of crooks with Holder as his henchman by way of OBAMA the handyman.
We know you don’t like Bush who kept us safe and freed two countries because he was not a DEMOCRAT. Therefore you lied and denied for eight years instead of supporting the country. And now you are proud of your success.
Ingrate! Sit back in your rocking chair while Obama takes care of you ‘cause YOU CAN’T DO IT YOURSELF. Coming soon; the Day of Dependence for lazy Americans.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Repub Turncoat@11:39
Your memory is short. CONGRESS has passed everything that President Bush has done. DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL OF CONGRESS FOR TWO YEARS. I guess you missed that bit of news.
By dustbuster
November 21, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
“Congress has passed everything that President Bush has done.” It looks like Dusty hasn’t grasped 4th grade civics yet.
By findog
November 21, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
I always knew Dusty was a closet queen; Tybee has one of the largest per-capita gay populations in the state.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this
Ron 11:36
Coffee and donuts for WHAT in Savannah?? Did you arrive in horse and buggy?
Didn’t go through Thunderbolt but straight through lovely ol’ Savannah and right out to the beach of Tybee Island. Didn’t see any fallen trees but there was no power on the island the day we left. But it was fun even with wind and clouds. A bit of swimming and watching the surfboarders on whatever they call those things. Some looked almost like kyacks. They were a crew of brave souls that showed up every day when the tide was up. Kinda amazing to watch and scary when they got way out.
We were near the pier but nobody was catching any fish as it was too rough (I think). Still a fine vacation. A little different and I don’t recommend visiting with the hurricanes. BUT..when you’ve paid for your condo there’s no turning back!! Tybee is tops with us.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Dear findog,12:03
I wouldn’t know about the “gay population” on Tybee that you mentioned. We went for the joy of the ocean not to investigate the population. Why do you go to the “beach”?
By ron
November 21, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this
Dear Dusty.——Now you went and made me feel old.Horse and Buggy?Just a horse Dusty.I don’t think the wheel was invented yet.The guys on the beach were playing catch with a hard rubber ball that had been cut in two.Precursor to the Frisbee?
Since it’s Friday and you all know what happens here on Friday afternoon,I think I’ll retire from retirement a little early today and prepare for the up coming weekend.I don’t expect tomorrow to look any different than today,but at laest I have the weekend off.Next week too.I don’t know if I have any vacation days left this year or not.If not it’ll just be straight retirement days for the rest of the year.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 21, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, is your understanding of the Bush Administration’s Justice Dept. scandal so shallow that you really believe the problem was merely that of bringing in a new set of employees to replace the Clinton Administration’s, after Bush’s inauguration?
You missed all that came after, did you? you were out sick, perhaps, when Alberto Gonzolez resigned, or just unaware of why he did so?
Or are you counting on your readership to have such shallow knowledge as I’ve described?
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 21, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
In case anyone needs an education about the Justice dept. scandal, here is their own investigation’s report.
Quoting from it:
“The Department’s removal of the U.S. Attorneys and the controversy it created severely damaged the credibility of the Department and raised doubts about the integrity of Department prosecutive decisions.”
That’s not Daily Kos. That’s the Bush Justice Dept.
By ron
November 21, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Sorry,back again.—-Let me tell you how life is when your thoughts and deeds are pure as the driven snow.When you love your mother and you dont kick dogs.There was one cube left in the tray that makes the special small squares that I put in the bottom of my gold rimmed Manhattam glass in order to awaken the flavor of the generous pouring of Laphroaig that I added.Life is good and there may be a Santa Claus.
By Chad Harris
November 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
^The likely new Attorney General in the Obama administration, Eric Holder, is the Clinton administration retread who essentially green-lighted the Marc Rich pardon in the last hour of Bill’s term of office, prompting a national outrage. Two questions here: Could a Republican get away with doing that? And, on a somewhat related matter, will it be a scandal if U.S. attorneys are fired? It was when Democrats found campaign-value scandal in the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys two years ago.*
One Answer (And there are a lot better people than Holder but Wooten is superficial in all things legal—Clusterf*ck yes—Bush gave Libby the ccriminally covicted coward a pass and he’ll probably pardon him and Wooten’s Uncle Ted Stevens
Do you just get dumber and dumber Wooten?
By Laughingly Similar 2U
November 21, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
The GM bailout is a cinch. I charge congress with playing the stock market, knowing all along they’d vote yes, first shorting, and then buying the stock. Ditto their cronies.
A perfect storm is brewing, people. Iraq. Afghanistan. The AIG bailout. The banning of short selling. The credit crunch and trillion dollar bailout, and now congress playing with investor confidence by purposely driving down the price of GM stock.
Something so catastrophic is possible now. Like in the movie, perfect storm, that last wave, if they could only have made it past that last wave…..
A perfect storm is brewing making it possible for impossible things to occur.
Rush Limbaugh is blaming the economic situation on Obama. Conservatism may have had a chance to resurface. Rush is sprinkling salt on the Phoenix’s tail.
Thank you, Rush Limbaugh. (You saved the world, but not like you think. Thanx 4 being a fathead druggie loser who just moves his mouth when any thought occurs in his head like a gumball machine. Thanx 4 losing your mind to drugs, which has colored your mental vision into surrealism. You’re so far gone, you’re now, baby. You’re like a beatnik in the fifties in greenwich village in new york, saying, “cool, daddyo, I’m the man who thinks he can so I can think whatever I can and I’m the coolest daddyo in the cool cool town I’m the daddyo”. (snaps for rush).
Obama 08: He’s in no Rush.
By getalife
November 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
Chambliss Knocks Over Camera When Asked About Lawsuit
Fire suxby!
By Laughingly Similar 2U
November 21, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Why does Wooten talk in terms of windows closing all the time, or windows being opened?
Insert joke here.
By @@
November 21, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
A quick acknowledgement of the free-for-all Jim before I’m off to sun, sand & surf.
Marc Rich’s pardon was bad enough, but nothing to compare to the Clinton/Holder pardon of FALN.
The perpetrators were members of Armed Forces of National Liberation, FALN (the Spanish acronym), a clandestine terrorist group devoted to bringing about independence for Puerto Rico through violent means. Its members waged war on America with bombings, arson, kidnappings, prison escapes, threats and intimidation. The most gruesome attack was the 1975 Fraunces Tavern bombing in Lower Manhattan. Timed to go off during the lunch-hour rush, the explosion decapitated one of the four people killed and injured another 60.
FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims “reactionary corporate executives” and threatening: “You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can’t escape.” By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies — a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.
Mr. Clinton justified the clemencies by asserting that the sentences were disproportionate to the crimes. None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone. ‘For me,” the president concluded, ‘the question, therefore, was whether their continuing incarceration served any meaningful purpose.
His comments, including the astonishing claim that the FALN prisoners were being unfairly punished because of ‘guilt by association,’”
During the campaign, the MSM wouldn’t insult “The One” with questions about his association with Bill Ayers. Now they don’t question his judgment in choosing Holder?
Today’s media…..the fourth estate…..
not a column, but a pedestal atop which sits their “Annointed One.”
Brrrrrrrr….
By John j
November 21, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
The poster who said labor is only 8% of a vehicle price is correct, the problem is the legacy cost of labor (collective not singular) is over $2500 per car. So on a $30,000 car you have $2400 in current labor costs and $2500 in legacy costs. The big three gave labor anything they wanted through the 60’s and 70’s and they can no longer survive under the weight of those decisions.
By getalife
November 21, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
Here is the quote of the week:
“There’s no point to debating …the lunatic fringe. Their rantings about Marxism, “islamofascism,” “unAmericanism,” “treason” and laissez faire economics are irrelevant to any serious political discussion in this country… Arguing with people who think Obama is a secret Muslim communist and the Earth is only 6000 years old is pointless. It’s like debating a small child or more accurately, a male labrador retriever. No matter what you say, he’ll continue to hump your leg, knowing with certainty that if he just humps long enough, your shoes will bear puppies. All you get is a sticky leg.”
Ha!
By Wee Willy
November 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Before this post denigrates into the usual name calling diatribe, will someone straighten out my understanding of the tobacco settlement? I thought that the settlement (after nearly 800 unsuccessful lawsuit attempts) was ostensibly to be paid to the states for their burden concerning health care costs. I further understood that some portion (I don’t know how much) was to be diverted to prevention anti-smoking information for the general public.
So here is my dilemna: 1) Does anyone think that the tobacco companies will be the ones that actually pay these fines (settlements)? 2) Does anyone think that the politicians will do anything with the money that the settlement dictates? 3) What will happen when the tobacco settlement money is gone and the health care (and other political causes that the money was spent on) stops coming in? 4) Does anyone have any demographics on the smoking population concerning income groups? Talk about regressive taxation.
I would appreciate any information that you could give me on this (short of name calling).
Thanks
By deegee
November 21, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
Compare a 2008 Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Ford Taurus and Chevy Impala. The Ford and Chevy range in MSRP price from $21,975 -$29,470. The Toyota and Honda range in price from $18,570 - $30,260. The cheapest Toyota is only $3400.00 less than the cheapest Chevy. Compare gas mileage and the Chevy and Ford’s range in fuel efficiency stops where the imports’ begin.
The price of a new import is not that much less than the price of a new American car. The value of the import lies in reliability, the quality of service and the anticipated resale value. To say that the American car industry is suffering because its labor costs have rendered it uncompetitive just doesn’t make sense.
By Dick Cheney
November 21, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Wee Willy
Go f&ck yourself.
Fondly,
Dick
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
@@,
“…off to fun, sand and surf..”
Godspeed you then, old foolish friend! The very best surfer in the family was my own Mama! (See the original concept for “Gidget”!)
How cool is THAT, @@?
How cool R U?
gtg
By Cindy
November 21, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is against warrantless surveillance and torture practiced by the bush administration. That makes him good with me.
Holder didn’t pardon anyone. However, Presidents since George Washington have been granting pardons. Ford pardoned Nixon, Bush I pardoned Caspar Weinberger and the “gang of six” (probably because he was neck deep in Iran-Contra and didn’t want caught)and Orlando Bosch, a terrorist who masterminded an airline bombing that killed 73 people, Nixon pardoned Jimmy Hoffa, Reagan pardoned some anti war burglars and George Steinbrenner for all that money he gave to the Republican party, Bush pardoned Scooter. So pleeeeeease get off the stupid pardon bandwagon.
By @@
November 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Glenn:
Actually my beach destination offers not “a surf” but a lap…..lap…..lap.
Southern tip of Florida, gulf side.
Just me and My Captain.
Says he to me……cue the music, mate!!!
Come sail away
Come sail away
Come sail away with me.
Aye aye, Captain says she to he.
Maybe I’ll check back when the week has ended or maybe I won’t evah check in again.
Who knows? Who cares?
By Cherokee
November 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
“Could a Republican get away with doing that?”
One did. His name was George H. W. Bush. Remember Iran Contra?
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is, of necessity for anyone of his current ambitions, for a lot of things and likewise firmly against many other THINGS. Which things, and why, and what please tell us does that rank punk have to show for any of it lest he become our chief law-enforcement officer just because Blessed Barack says that it is Right?
Huh, Hon? Bull s**. Wake the hell up before…
By Richard
November 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Hold everything…
A politician making a misleading statement? How much do you get paid for this piece of enlightened wisdom?
By Wee Willy
November 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Dear Dick Cheney @ 2:27PM
You are the perfect example of my opening statement on i.e., what not to do on a blog. What a waste of humanity. I am not sure why you bother but I’ll bet a lot of people wish you wouldn’t, including myself. Go back to your outhouse, potty mouth. Or, at least, grow up.
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is, of necessity for anyone of his current ambitions, for a lot of things and likewise firmly against many other THINGS. Which things, and why, and what please tell us does that rank punk have to show for any of it lest he become our chief law-enforcement officer just because Blessed Barack says that it is Right?
Huh, Hon? Bull s**. Wake the hell up before…
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is, of necessity for anyone of his current ambitions, for a lot of things and likewise firmly against many other THINGS. Which things, and why, and what please tell us does that rank punk have to show for any of it lest he become our chief law-enforcement officer just because Blessed Barack says that it is Right?
Huh, Hon? Bull s**. Wake the hell up before…
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is, of necessity for anyone of his current ambitions, for a lot of things and likewise firmly against many other THINGS. Which things, and why, and what please tell us does that rank punk have to show for any of it lest he become our chief law-enforcement officer just because Blessed Barack says that it is Right?
Huh, Hon? Bull s**. Wake the hell up before…
By Glenn
November 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Eric Holder is, of necessity for anyone of his current ambitions, for a lot of things and likewise firmly against many other THINGS. Which things, and why, and what please tell us does that rank punk have to show for any of it lest he become our chief law-enforcement officer just because Blessed Barack says that it is Right?
Huh, Hon? Bull s**. Wake the hell up before…
By catlady
November 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Regarding the Fair Tax. No, the info put out by its proponents does not specify that it would end the FEDERAL income tax. And, while it might get rid of the IRS and its employees, it would replace it with other employees to enforce and monitor the Fair Tax. Ya get rid of one, and ya get the other. And the state income taxes continue (and probably increase exponentially).
Why haven’t the Righty Tighties started foaming at the mouth about the choice of Hillary???
Just got back from VOTING AGAINST SAXBY CHAMBLISS, THE BIGGEST SHAM IN THE SENATE.
By BS Aplenty
November 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Jim Martin is Barrack Obama in paleface - but without the racist baggage.
Getalife according to CNN exit polls, questions about the economy (63%) and terrorism/war (19%) were THE top two issues on all voters’ minds. I believe you can categorize those two under Marxism and Islamofacism, respectively. I know, I know, leg-humping-dogs just seem like they should be the more relevant topics to voters, but only Democrats.
I getabigchuckle just thinking about you puttin’ a condom on that dog…
By Scott
November 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
Be happy and content, Jim. Knowing that nothing, nothing, nothing will EVER come close to competing with the Bushdrunk LEGACY. Be a proud Murcun! Patriot. Hero. Values guy. Moralist. Intellectual. Why, we could even pin ANOTHER medal on McCoward. All kinds of great possibilities exist out there. Just you wait n see! Over the weekend, why not treat yerself to a new, factory-fresh AMERICAN SUV??
By david wayne osedach, san diego/ U.S.A.
November 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
The bailout window is indeed closing. I can’t understand why the auto industry wasn’t in there right at the beginning.
By Dusty
November 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
Scott @4:56
Stand still, please, while we spray you with air freshner. Don’t know whether it will help but you certainly need a new aroma. Your perfum de lib is barnyard deluxe.
By Chad Harris
November 21, 2008 6:38 PM | Link to this
Like a child Wooten is confused about the composition of US Attorneys in administration changes.
After one day of recount, Franken has cut Coleman’s lead in half. Franken will ultimately go to the Senate because after litigation the Senate decides who goes and the Palinistas got their butts kicked in Senate numbers November 2 and Uncle Ted Lost as well. Nice job with the camera Suxbut Chumpass.
When there is a shift in party control after Presidential elections (psssttt gosh darnit Moron Eskimo didn’t win), it has always been the case that all of the US Attorneys are required to submit their resignations and they plan on it. Nahmias will be gone for example.
Child like Wooten conflates this with the targeted firing of US Attorneys because they wouldn’t do Rove’s bidding, or Dominici’s bidding, or soon to be out of Congress’s Heather Wilson when they illegally call a US Attorney and lean on them to do what they want.
The wholesale changes each administration makes with respect to US attorneys occurs at the expected time when a President takes office. All of them get replaced.
It does not take place as Rove did illegally with a Senator and Congresswoman interfeering in the middle of their term because they refuse to target Democrats.
And as evidence of this targeting, the 11th Circuit will now be presented with supplmental briefs containing new evidence of misconduct and lying in the Siegelman proxecution.
New Twist in Appeal of Ex-Alabama Governor
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/us/22siegelman.html?_r=1&hp
*The United States attorney, Leura G. Canary, is married to a leading Republican in Alabama, William Canary. He has advised one of Mr. Siegelman’s political rivals, current Gov. Bob Riley, is a former chief of staff at the Republican National Committee and served in the White House under former President George Bush.
It was those connections that led Ms. Canary, under pressure, to publicly withdraw from the Siegelman case in May 2002 — she “completely recused herself,” said the acting United States attorney, Louis Franklin — as proof that the prosecution of Mr. Siegelman would be free of partisan bias.
Yet in her complaint, the Justice Department employee, Tamarah T. Grimes, cited several instances suggesting Ms. Canary maintained a close watch on the case. Ms. Grimes said a legal aide in the office reported on Mr. Siegelman’s trial to Ms. Canary or her top deputy “every day, sometimes several times per day by telephone.” Once, she observed Ms. Canary “frantically pacing in the executive suite” after a courtroom blowup, “pleading with someone” to get on the phone to “tell Louis he has to control his temper.”
Ms. Grimes also disclosed an e-mail message written by Ms. Canary commenting on legal strategy in the case and suggesting to aides that Mr. Siegelman not be allowed to “comment on court activities in the media.” Ms. Grimes, who is also in a dispute with the department related to her accusations that the Siegelman prosecution team had harrassed her, cited the affidavit of a former legal aide in the Montgomery office, Elizabeth Jane Crooks, who wrote that “the morning that the trial started, the U.S. attorney herself carried food and beverage over to the courthouse to support the ‘Trial Team.’ ”
Mr. Siegelman’s lawyers have reacted with anger to these contentions, saying they demonstrate that Ms. Canary never really took herself out of the case. “She was supposed to be recused precisely because her involvement would reek of political conflict of interest, yet she remained involved,” they wrote in a filing to the 11th Circuit court this week.
Ms. Grimes and Ms. Crooks declined to be interviewed.
In regard to jury contact, Ms. Grimes cited an e-mail message sent during the trial that appears to show a juror or jurors developing a romantic interest in an F.B.I. agent, Keith Baker, who sat near prosecutors, and sending the prosecution messages about his marital status. The Judiciary Committee chairman, Representative John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, and the subcommittee chairwoman, Representative Linda T. Sánchez of California, wrote to Mr. Mukasey that the contact raised “serious issues,” even though it was not reported by the prosecution to the judge in the case.
“Where a juror or jurors expresses the kind of social interest in a member of the prosecution team reflected in this exchange, the risk of bias — whether conscious or unconscious — is obvious,” Mr. Conyers and Ms. Sánchez wrote. One juror, they said, later went on to “reach out to members of the prosecution team for personal advice about her career and prosecution plans.”
Many of those who have been closely following the case expect the investigations of possible improper conduct to gain momentum once the Obama administration takes over the Justice Department next year.*
By Chad Harris
November 21, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this
Aggreeing with Jim Wooten once again. No auto bailout or further loans. Gettlefinger, Stabenow, Levin, and the Dingells ran the companies into the ground along with their arrogant making of big butt gas Guzzling SUVs. They were told 15 years ago to stop wasting gas. They ignored it. Now they can go Chapter 11 or sink and let the foreign companies that are efficient dominate.
As to the pension funds destroyed by these greedy non-prescient idiots, Bob Nardelli has two adjacent properties on Garmon drive worth over $20 million. He can sell them and begin feeding money into the pensioners’ funds he’s been screwing.
Good ridance to the big 3.
By Taylor
November 21, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
Scott & Dusty - towards the end of the day…
I enjoyed that back and forth. Murcun. HA!
Freedom costs a buck o five.
Dusty, that line, “your perfum de lib…” is classic. While I myself probably reek of the same delicious scent, I can still appreciate a well slung barb. Kudos. You are consistently one of the more enjoyable posters here. Too bad you’re for the wrong side…
By Steve
November 24, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
Holder should fire all US Attorneys who attended Liberty or Regents University. Any school that teaches the earth is 6000 years old should absolutely not be accredited.