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DEL.ICIO.USThat Palin hoax
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Away from the office on the farm in South Georgia, where the task of this day is to reassemble a John Deere tractor, almost none of my conversations are with political junkies.
It was those conversations that told me that Gov. Sonny Perdue’s decision to suspend the gas tax during the first of the gas-availability panics that occurred during his administration was smart politics. My colleagues had pooh-poohed his actions as ineffective grandstanding. That’s not the way it was being seen by non-junkies, though.
In any event, I was shocked to hear it relayed as gospel that Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country. I’d not heard that allegation. Now it’s revealed. It was an elaborate Internet hoax foisted off on the mainstream news media. See New York Times story
Throughout the recent political campaign my mailbox was flooded with links to intriguing scoops, from Barack Obama’s birth in Kenya to MIchelle’s dining tab. I was never inclined to use them because I don’t trust sources I don’t know.
The Left hated and feared Sarah Palin and the first order of business was to tear her down, by ridicule, by untruths, by exaggerations and, in general, by any means possible. The hoax is an example.
Obama supporters would, no doubt, argue the same about Obama.
The question: How can you trust information in the blogosphere and, secondly, do you trust information more when it’s reported in the mainstream media?
Meanwhile, the spectacle to watch on the farm today is three guys trying to fix one tractor. The experienced tractor mechanic has bad knees, so he has to sit in a chair and give instructions to the tractor’s owner, a veteran farmer who has arthritis and can’t hold the wrench but can get on the ground and point to the right part, while the guy who knows nothing about fixing a tractor (me) does the work.
This could be a circus.
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By Reggie
November 13, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this
NOW the GOP is trying to scare people with how bad one-party control can be by CITING THE MASSIVE DAMAGE THEY DID when in control?
Amazing.
By Ms Tucker
November 13, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
By Cynthia Tucker
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
For several years, Republicans have waged a brilliant, Machiavellian campaign against the right to vote, persuading Americans that fair elections were under attack from a widespread and pernicious campaign of voter fraud. It’s classic sophistry; there is virtually no fraud by fake voters showing up at the polls.
Nevertheless, the voter-suppression campaign succeeded in state legislatures, where Republicans passed restrictive voter ID laws, and in courtrooms, where judges upheld them. Republicans also won the public relations battle, taking on a veneer of moral authority as they posed as protectors of the ballot.
But Barack Obama’s awesome get-out-the-vote machine overwhelmed the GOP’s cynical tactics, which had depended on shaving off a few hundred or a few thousand votes of poor and elderly Americans who didn’t have driver’s licenses, and who just happened to tend to vote for Democrats. In Obama’s winning campaign, the GOP couldn’t deter enough Democratic voters to make a difference.
Republicans didn’t just lose the presidency and congressional seats around the country. They also lost the veneer of respectability covering their campaign to block the ballot. They panicked as Obama’s poll numbers rose and in their desperation, they began throwing out one tactic after another to try to discourage voters from going to the polls. The alarm they raised was so absurd that it was comical.
Karen Handel, Georgia’s GOP secretary of state, became a partisan martinet, the Katherine Harris of this campaign. (You may remember Harris as the Republican secretary of state who dutifully carried water for George W. Bush in Florida eight years ago.) Handel took aim at Jim Powell, a Democrat running for the Public Service Commission, insisting that he didn’t meet residency requirements. Even though courts kept ruling against her, she kept after Powell until she was finally slapped down by a unanimous ruling of the Georgia Supreme Court.
But she was undeterred, finding other ways to harass Democrats. Having first declared that Democrats were having little luck registering new voters, she later did every thing she could to try to keep as many new voters as possible from casting a ballot. The Department of Justice finally put state election officials on notice because they subjected an unusually high number of registered voters to background checks. It later turned out that, in most cases, errors such as typos in electronic databases were the problem, not voter fraud.
And when Handel saw that legally registered voters were enduring four- to six-hour waits to vote early, she refused to try to extend early-voting hours, hiding behind the claim that Georgia law didn’t explicitly give her authority to do so. Operating under a similar law, however, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist extended early voting there.
(On the other hand, Handel is correct to investigate Fulton County’s lengthy and disorganized process for counting absentee ballots. Election officials allowed workers to leave the premise and return later to finish the task, in apparent violation of laws intended to guarantee ballot security.)
Meanwhile, state Sen. Eric Johnson (R-Savannah) actually denounced early voting, even though he and other GOP officials had voted in favor of the practice earlier this year as a way to make elections more convenient for their suburban constituents. Johnson lost his enthusiasm for early voting when he saw hundreds of thousands of black Georgians taking advantage of it.
“Even if it was well-intentioned, we may find that we’ve opened up more opportunities for those people who are looking for ways to cheat,” Johnson said, adding that early voting allows “the ability to have time to go out there and pick up homeless people, and carry them to the polls, and register cats. It just opens up a 30-day period of time when, if your goal is to undermine democracy, you’ve got 30 days to do it instead of one.”
Johnson didn’t explain how cheating is any more likely with early voting than with Election Day balloting, since the same state-sponsored photo identification is required for both. Instead, he and Handel managed to shred their carefully constructed rationale for harassing legally qualified voters. Their campaign against voter fraud is, well, a fraud.
By STP
November 13, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this
With a full blown recession or worse Georgia could use some major clout in Washington to get some relief for it’s citizens. With Republicans filling the Governor’s seat and both senate seats it could be a very long,cold, and hungry 4 or more years! Well, who knows? Maybe Obama will throw us some crumbs? We’re probably going to really need them! Good luck Chambliss? You get the same pay even if you do nothing for us for 6 long years!.
By Real Republican
November 13, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
I am glad that Mr. McCain in standing up in support of Mr. Chambliss. We need someone with morals in Washington. We do need senators, like Saxby who will support the socialistic policies of Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid. Welcome to Georgia Senator McCain. Thank you for a well-fought out campaign. In this case the better man did NOT win.
By Simple Answers
November 13, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Meanwhile, the spectacle to watch on the farm today is three guys trying to fix one tractor. The experienced tractor mechanic has bad knees, so he has to sit in a chair and give instructions to the tractor’s owner, a veteran farmer who has arthritis and can’t hold the wrench but can get on the ground and point to the right part, while the guy who knows nothing about fixing a tractor (me) does the work.
If anyone wonders what a McCain administration would have looked like, this is as good a visualization as any.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Jim, I suggest you get a digital camera to record the tractor repair; you could win $10,000 on America’s Funniest Home Videos.
As to the substantial discussion, the blogosphere is not a place to obtain information, or maybe more accurately, is not a place to accept unverified information. A great example is the Bush Derangement – Palin Derangement – Saxbe Derangement materials passed off by leftists on this blog as “truth.” There is no doubt that many leftists are willing to believe the left’s Palin-template, just as they truly believed Ronald Reagan and George Bush were dumb. We have conservatives who cling to belief that Obama was born in Africa, so I do not affirm the dumb among us are exclusively leftists, it is merely pervasive within that lesser ideology.
Blogs are useful places for argument, and exploring theories and hypotheticals, but not a smart place to obtain foundation information. That does not mean that the internet is an invalid source of information; indeed, the accuracy of the internet news sources is remarkably better than one finds in the MSM. Drudge is amazingly good. I have not watched television’s evening news in this century, and have not read a copy of the New York Times in more than 20 years, but I’ll match my news-smarts against those of anyone; the internet and a couple of local newspapers (AJC and Gwinnett Daily Post) are my only sources of information.
By VETERANS FOR SAXBY
November 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Saxby’s campaign tactics of smearing a war veteran are indeed “reprehensible,” his record on veterans’ issues in the Senate may be even worse. Saxby voted to send our troops to war without proper body armor, voted 23 times to cut their healthcare when they return home, and even opposed a tax cut for our veterans while they serve in the line of duty. Saxby voted twice against Jim Webb’s dwell time amendment to give our troops more time with their families between tours of duties and opposed funding for traumatic brain injury research, the “signature wound” of the War in Iraq. It’s no wonder that so many veterans’ organizations have given Saxby poor and failing grades for his record on veterans’ issues – Saxby has failed America’s veterans.
By Dems for Palin
November 13, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
David Brooks is right about Palin: She is indeed a cancer on the Republican Party.
So I guess we Dems don’t have to bother with saying “a pox on the GOP’s house.” Looks like they already have one!
By Ray
November 13, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Your description of the guys fixing the tractor reminds me of Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and Secretary Paulson wondering what to do with 700B of taxpayer money.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
I see the weird off-topic anti-Saxbe postings already begin. The AJC does not remove the “merely irrelevant,” so here, as a public service, are the responses to the whinings of today’s paid democrat bloggers and for the other Saxbe Derangement Syndrome sufferers:
(1) No, he didn’t smear Max Cleland and he did not question Cleland’s patriotism; here is the ad, see for yourself. He did challenge Cleland’s judgment, legitimately. Mr. Cleland richly deserved to be fired for insisting on unionizing Homeland Security, then in formation; as rotten as that agency is, can you imagine how bad it would be if it had been unionized? Last week, in this space albeit in another context, we discussed the inherent economic problem that arises with unionized bureaucrats. Democrats always claim that their judgment on policy matters should not be questioned, that same is “smearing.” This was a valid economic challenge – Saxbe was not merely a screaming monkey jumping on Cleland’s shoulders – and there is no doubt in retrospect that the voters made a good decision. (Note that Mr. Cleland is never mentioned prospectively for statewide office in Georgia. Isn’t that the real difference between a smear and a valid criticism?)
(2) The reasons to vote for Saxbe are
(a) Mr. Chambliss’s unflinching support of the military missions in Afghanistan and Iraq. He gets to share the credit for the victories - (a) the extinguishment of al Qaeda all over the world and (b) the formation of a true representative democracy in the heart of the Arabian Middle East - because he never demanded unilateral withdrawal, when the screaming monkeys were baselessly demanding surrender. Mr. Martin lacks Mr. Lieberman’s character (that’s not particularly a criticism of Martin, few people do), and would have knuckled under to party pressure.
(b) Mr. Chambliss’s unqualified endorsements of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, in the confirmation process. I think a majority of democrats opposed both, and the conservative bloc has been correct on every issue, even when in the minority. Mr. Martin does not appreciate the virtues of conservative justices.
(c) Mr. Chambliss is “open” to Fair Tax, even if, as friend Ga Values argues, Chambliss does not understand it. Mr. Martin is not open to the Fair Tax, and willfully misrepresents the nature of the plan. Before Boortz and Linder, I advocated elimination of the income tax and substitution of a national sales tax, both on grounds of “fairness” and simplicity. (By the way Ga Values, I went to the weblink you provided and found no critique on fair tax. Can you help me out there? I am comfortable in my belief of the superiority of any “national sales tax” or similar substitute for the income tax, and stand ready to address any reservations.) Amusingly, Mr. Martin’s total argument against the Fair Tax seems to be that democrats cannot be trusted to really abolish the income tax; perhaps he is correct in his character analysis there.
(3) We don’t care about lobbyists. If you have any suggestion of “bribery,” take it to the Obama justice department. Otherwise the activities of Chambliss and family are indistinguishable from those of the prospective vice president. I acknowledge my weasel-words there, as I have a profound contempt for the democrat-like standards that have lured formerly-honest conservatives to the dark side.
(4) The headline of today’s WSJ reads, “Democrats Plot Detroit Rescue.” While there may be some argument in favor of government intervention to preserve confidence in the financial system, as that meaningfully implicates every other business in the country, that same argument does not validate corporate welfare to the failing automobile giants. Mr. Martin does not distance himself from the “democrats” in the headline, and thus cannot possibly claim a favorable distinction from Mr. Chambliss.
By South Georgia Farm Boy
November 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
You’ll do fine. Just listen carefully and follow instructions faithfully. Heck, if you want, I’ll go down there and make it a foursome. As far as the Africa-is-a-country thing, Fox News’ talking heads were discussing it as if it were gospel.
By Dems for Saxby
November 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Dear God! Palin and Chambliss in the Senate? The blind leading the blind (at least ethically)
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
Inadvertent misrepresentation in my 8:51 post - I spend an hour each day with my WSJ.
By Gooy
November 13, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Why do we keep having to hear from this woman..she makes me sick. If God wills it she will go to the Senate, how about the wilderness.
By Gary
November 13, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Saxby got 2 1/2 million for reducing controls on wall street; We got screwed! Now we need Pull (with a capital “P”) in Washington. Saxby will “Pull” us all down the sewer, with him! The only thing Saxby will do for Georgia is stink the place up! (North Carolina will get 10 times as much as Georgia from Washington because of 1 democrat senator) Wake up Georgians! Times are going to be bad! We will need help from Washington! Saxby can’t get it!
By @@
November 13, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
This could be a circus.
Nooo, Jim, this could be a very entertaining learning experience. Suggestion: Always have a woman on the team — small hands for tight spots. I used to love working on car engines with my husband. He didn’t love it so much, he found himself a shade-tree mechanic that maintains our vehicles now.
Onto the hoax. The picture of that guy sitting amongst the clutter is just sad. I’m thinking his kind of false interjection into the news cycle may be what prevents The Fairness Doctrine from taking hold.
Since you always check your resources, how about checking to see if there was an interview of Obama back in 2004. Journalist’s name was Cathleen Falsani (Chicago Sun-Times). I’m looking to verify this response from PrezE Obama.
FALSANI Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA: Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.
Ever been there? Good service.
I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it’s kind of a meditation on race. There’s a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.
Not that it’s relevant now, but at least we know for sure PrezE Obama is fully capable of lying and does so with ease.
Remember Jim….righty tighty — lefty loosey.
Gotta go! Kids are arriving kinda late today.
By Ray Smith
November 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
trig palin 2028 lets break the final glass ceiling
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten, as I live and breathe,
Either you’ve been away too long, then, or else I’ve been away too long, or both. Yes, some idiots believed too that Ms. Sarah could not name her NAFTA trading pardner even from up there in her gubernatorial igloo in American Canada. It’s not good when perky-sad Katie impersonates a journalist.
Sitting as I do athwart the intersection of Johnson Ferry and Cump Sherman’s Roswell Road, far be it from me to begrudge Govnah Sonny his timely suspension of the gas tax. And that, amidst the images of, first, the grindingly long gasoline lines here, followed by the touchingly long queues for the voting booths. Both images, it seems I must inform you, made the national broadcasts.
Hell, I was just glad to see that old Sonny still could fog a mirror in a domestic crisis. Now, is it you who’s been fussing with the John Deere, or has it been Sonny all along? Because that would explain a few things. There’s a lyric by the crooning guitarist Vince Gill that goes, with apologies to his lovely Amy Grant, “well she remembered to take my car keys, but she forgot about my old John Deere”… Maybe it’s been our fault all along, and not the Governor’s. We remembered to take his car keys but we forgot about his old John Deere.
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P.S. I wish to thank those of you who brooked my rude interruption yesterday and offered good advice on tackling certain deadly problems with Georgia’s incomparably bad healthcare system. With your help I concluded that Georgia never will heal itself on that front, and that the Federals must be brought in once again. It is now so. Thanks.
By Mableton MOM
November 13, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
With a Democratic majority, if we want any of those $$ coming home, we’d darn well better send a Democratic senator.
By Georgia Vet
November 13, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
SISSY SAXBY MUST BE DEFEATED
By Lobbyist for Saxby
November 13, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
*Do not support the Rescue package for the Saxby and Bo Chambliss financial community. *
By Mothers Against Draft Dodgers
November 13, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
MADD: says-throw the draft-dodger out!
By Senator Saxby Chambliss
November 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
I just want to say that Senator Stevens and I are dear friends. He gave me $15,000.00 which I am keeping. As all of you know what I say before election & what I actually are VERY different things. I will stay loyal to Ted because we are just alike. Look at all the lies that I am telling about my frat brother Jum Martin, you know I’ll stand by my HERO Ted Stevens.
By Road Scholar
November 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
When hearing/reading a story by any press or on the Internet, one should read more diverse source of the accounts to realize the truth. Unfortunately some TV news are nothing more than entertaiment (ie Fox, MSNBC, etc.). This “news” is spun to meet the goals of the respective company, or reporter versus to inform us of the truth.
Americans tend to want all info reduced to talking points or 30 second sound bits, not waiting or acknowledging the context or history which it was presented in response.
I offer the following: Your quote “Throughout the recent political campaign my mailbox was flooded with links to intriguing scoops, from Barack Obama’s birth in Kenya to MIchelle’s dining tab. I was never inclined to use them because I don’t trust sources I don’t know.” You may not have used them, but you didn’t refute them either. This places you in disregard of the truth, since the truth would not add to your cause, views, or the entertainment of watching each side rip each other with insults and further inuendo.
The press has an obligation to offer facts, context, and analysis, not to say that all have to agree. But rebel rousing for the sake of character assasination and spreading lies should be left to the entertainers and politicians, where we know the intent of its use.
By Senator John McCain
November 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
My thoughts on Saxby Draft Dodger’s ad.. truly Shameless Chambliss
“I’d never seen anything like that ad. Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to the picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield — it’s worse than disgraceful. It’s reprehensible,” the ad quotes McCain as saying on CNN in 2003, a year after the election.
By Redneck Convert
November 13, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
Well, it’s for sure I wouldn’t let that gang work on my Ford F-450. By the time it was finished it would steer so far Right it would just go in circles.
I see the libruls are still taking out after the only redneck in the 2008 race for president. We finally get somebody like us to support, even if she is a woman, and they start tearing her down over silly stuff like Africa. I wonder what silk underwear feels like. I bet it would make a man slide right off of a chair.
I don’t see nothing in the papers about that 8-year-old boy that killed his Daddy with a 22 rifle and his Daddy’s friend too. If there was ever a case that calls for the Death Penalty it’s this one. Here his Daddy teaches him to shoot the rifle, and what does the kid do? Kills everybody in the house, and not axidently neither.
Well, us rednecks beleive if anything goes wrong, somebody is at fault and needs to be punished. Well, the one at fault is the Daddy for turning a little kid loose with a rifle without a hunting liscence. But he’s dead, so I say we hook the kid up in tandem with his Mommy and shoot the juice to them both. I don’t care if the Mommy lives 1200 miles away, somebody’s got to pay. All this is just a warmup till we get to shoot the juice to this Brian Nichols that’s trying to worm his way out of the Death Penalty.
Anyhow, them’s my random thoughts, and I’m not even waiting till Friday like Wooten does.
Have a good day everybody.
By DB, Gwinnettian
November 13, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Q: How can you trust information in the blogosphere?
A: You don’t. You check it out and ensure that a legitimate, trusted news source is actually reporting it. And you remain skeptical if the sources are un-named. (See for example, the story about John McCain calling his wife something that rhymes with “bunt” in public. It was first reported in Raw Story and appears in a book by Cliff Schecter; however, none of Schecter’s three sources ever went on the record and backed up the story, so I continue to be skeptical that it ever happened.)
Q: Do you trust information more when it’s reported in the mainstream media?
A: Given that some fact-checking still takes place, and that much more is on the line in terms of revenue and reputation, yes. But the key word here is “More.” Just because a cable news outlet chooses to report a rumor, doesn’t mean the rumor is substantiated.
By getalife
November 13, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
This is a circus Jim
Geez.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
Hey AmVet, you out there?
Knock, knock…
By Ga Values
November 13, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Ragnar Danneskjöld 8:59 AM
I see you have done a cut & paste of your flawed yesterday analysis. I won’t bother to do the same. My responce did have a error in that Allen Buckley has pulled his National Sales Tax data from his web page. If you would like to know the truth about the National Sales Tax, I plan to have lunch with Allen the 1st week of December. If you would like to join us we will eat near his office in Mid Town or the Rusty Nail.
My wife & I went into Athens for lunch yesterday, on the way up I tried to explain how stock was priced & why projected earnings were important. She has an undergraduate degree in English & UVA’s law school must not require an accounting course. Over lunch we agreed that maybe she should take a few courses at UGA’s business school. We walked over to the business school, talked to a Dean & she’ll be taking accounting & finance starting in January. At least that will stop her from watching Fox news all morning.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Hey get!
“This is a circus Jim”
You sound just like Bones from Star Trek!
Intentional?
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Damn, I miss my Redneck. The onliest redneck I’m-a gonna miss once I leave this place for Lotusville…
By Left Nut
November 13, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
Look at all the lefties wanting a handout from Washington already.
How about you take some responsibility for your own state, county and city’s action. Why should DC bailout anyone??
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Good morning Ga Values @ 9:40. I saw no reason to rewrite – the anti-Saxbe comments are the same every day, so I can save myself some time by posting the same argument. I’ll delete the Fair Tax side-note when I post the same thing again tomorrow. Just for the record, you are outside the ambit of my “Saxbe derangement” argument; while I disagree with your analysis, I do not find your assertion disagreeable.
I would love to meet with you and Mr. Buckley, but I would respectfully urge on you a right to rescind the invitation for Dutch lunch – sometimes the presence of an irredeemable jerk can cause lunchtime distress, and you and Mr. Buckley do not deserve same. Maybe our friend Glenn would wish to join us also – I will represent that Glenn may be the brightest mind I have ever met, think you would enjoy the chatter.
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
With Sen. John McCain returning to the campaign trail on Thursday on stump for Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss in his runoff race in Georgia, Democrats are reminding voters and donors of a controversial ad aired by Chambliss in the heated final weeks of the 2002 campaign that shows pictures of Democratic Sen. Max Cleland, a triple-amputee from wounds suffered during his service in Vietnam, just after shots of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
The ad — which has a voice-over warning that, “As Americans face terrorists and extremist dictators, Max Cleland runs television ads saying he has the courage to lead,” then lists votes where the Democrat opposed President Bush before concluding that “the record proves Max Cleland is just misleading” — helped propel Chambliss to an unexpected victory.
“I’d never seen anything like that ad,” McCain said at the time of the spot, which was widely condemned by Democrats. Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to the picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield is “worse than disgraceful,” said McCain. “It’s reprehensible.”
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee released a Web ad ahead of the Arizona senator’s visit titled “Disgraceful,” reminding voters of McCain’s 2002 response, and also issued a fundraising letter from Cleland where he writes, “In 2002, Saxby Chambliss won his Senate seat in the final days by putting my picture next to Osama bin Laden and lying about me,” Cleland wrote. “It was despicable, but it worked. This year, we can’t let Chambliss use the same vile tactics to defeat Democratic challenger Jim Martin.
“Sen. Chambliss has his good pal, John McCain, to stand by his side and speak truth about his character,” the text of the ad reads before highlighting McCain’s comment. “It looks like even Sen. Chambliss’ buddy, John McCain, agrees. Georgians deserve better,” the ad concludes. A call to McCain’s Senate office asking for comment on the 2002 ad was not returned by the time this article was posted.
Chambliss told MSNBC on Monday that “we’re just very pleased to have [McCain] coming in on Thursday of this week.”
“If Cleland had won, you’d never have heard a thing about it,” Chambliss told Politico in response to a question about the 2002 spot. “That ad is so mild compared to the ads I’ve seen in campaign after campaign since 2002. Plus, the ad was truthful.”
“They lost,” he added. “They’re always going to be bitter about it.”
DSCC spokesman Matthew Miller said that while the 2002 ad “is not what [this year’s] race is about, there is still certainly some resentment” among Democrats over it.
“There is still a lot of animosity from Democrats directed at Saxby for that, and deservedly so,” Georgia Democratic Party spokesman Martin Mathen said. “It was a low blow.”
Both ActBlue and Daily Kos have spotlighted the ad in fundraising drives for Jim Martin, Chambliss’ Democratic opponent this year.
“I encourage you to give to Jim Martin’s campaign,” reads one fundraising e-mail to ActBlue donors. “Jim is running for the Georgia Senate seat against Saxby Chambliss. Perhaps you remember Saxby for his cynical, dishonest campaign against Max Cleland six years ago.”
National Republican Senatorial Committee spokeswoman Rebecca Fisher chastised Democrats for dwelling on 2002.
“The Chambliss campaign is focused on the future of Georgia and this nation. If Jim Martin and national Democrats want to focus on the past, that’s his choice. Georgians have real problems that Sen. Chambliss working to solve,” she said.
The NRSC hit Martin in the final week of this year’s general election with an ad accusing the Democrat of voting against tougher penalties for those caught soliciting child prostitutes.
Despite lingering resentment among Georgia Democrats, Martin’s campaign has not frequently mentioned the 2002 ad.
It’s not talked about at all in the local media,” said Charles Bullock, a political science professor at the University of Georgia. He added that, despite the national scorn for the ad, “it worked in Georgia.”
“This is a new election. We’re focused on the concerns of Georgia voters and not some ad Saxby ran in 2002,” Martin told Politico, adding, “Still, the fact remains that this was an extremely negative campaign that he ran against a war hero.”
While Martin has criticized Chambliss for using “inappropriate” tactics in the 2002 race, he’s mostly tried to stick to his economy-focused message.
Polls throughout the summer showed the Democrat trailing by over 20 percent. It wasn’t until the markets crashed in September and Chambliss made a very unpopular vote in favor of the $700 billion bailout that the Democrat began to close.
On the trail, Martin frequently links Chambliss to Bush on the economy and blasts the Republican’s record on veterans’ issues. The Democrat has not retooled his message for the Dec. 2 runoff and is not planning to make a push over the infamous ad.
Still, Martin has not forgotten the fate of his fellow Democrat Cleland.
“Personal attacks are how Saxby has always operated,” he said. “McCain was right when he gave him a hard time about that ad. I think he was right in 2002 and I think the facts are the same now.”
By ron
November 13, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim,Sometimes the result of the sick,lame, and lazy leading the blind isn’t just what one would hope for.I hope the tractor survives.
I keep telling people that Mrs.Palin isn’t quite as stupid as people thinks she is.A little salt with your crow,gentle people?
I read this morning that one of the questions on the preliminary form that is filled out by those seeking employment in the Obama regieme is whether the applicant or any member of his/her family owns a gun.Make what we will from that,I guess.
Glenn——Redneck does sort of grow on you,doesn’t he?
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
Yes, ron, he always does.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Ragnar,
If’n you’re any relation to Dag, then you must know that @@ is the best & brightest.
Don’t mess with that woman…
By Keeping It Real
November 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
The country is in turmoil with divisions along racial, political and economic lines. Yet this blog keeps talking about Karen Handel, John McCain, Sasby Chambliss and Sarah Palin. None of them are revelant during these times. We would be better served to focus on the economic meltdown, the purchase of guns and support for the presidents(both of them). Oh we are on the blogoshere. My bad.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Did any of you (sorry, Dusty, but this is going to be rude) know that my great granddaddy is buried in the place of honor in the old cemetary out back the stadium in Athens? Yep. Gave half his land, in answer to President Lincoln’s call, to build that damn univeristy they got there.
Go Dawgs!
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Saxby Economics
Over the next year, regulation of the financial industry will most likely transform globally, said H. Rodgin Cohen, chairman of Sullivan & Cromwell LLP, and Gary Parr, deputy chairman of Lazard, at The Deal’s M&A Outlook 2009 conference on Wednesday.
Parr said that the transformation of the regulatory system would probably not have occurred without a crisis and the change will occur internationally. “Why shouldn’t regulation be connected to who has money? It erases one of those dilemmas and erases the question of whether there should be international regulation,” he said. “De facto regulation is the way regulation is done in the EU. It is done country by country, but that doesn’t always work. The EU didn’t have the funding to bail out all of the financial institutions, and with that will come oversight back to the regulatory level.”
Sullivan & Cromwell’s Cohen agreed, saying that this was the time “to put to bed” a fragmented and principle-based regulatory system and switch to a singular regulator, even though the idea of starting from scratch is frightening. “I think regulatory arbitrage is going to do a 180. Countries with the best regulatory systems will prosper,” he surmised.
Cohen elaborated, saying that governments will have to step up to take on more of the risks causing economies to deteriorate. “It is the governments and not sovereign wealth funds. Financial institutions are trying to set up reserves against losses. Deleveraging has much bigger consequences. Trillions upon trillions of deleveraging has to take place. It has to come from somewhere, and $700 billion is not enough,” he said.
Parr added that if the government does not get involved, more deterioration is inevitable: “That is with the general economy declining; we get some preview into this. With some client we see a rapid deterioration with consumer credits, and the rapid losses into the fourth, first and second quarters.”
Both Cohen and Parr said that underwriting standards for the mortgage market and short selling will most likely be more regulated in the future. Cohen questioned if illegal activities and short selling were really to blame for the crisis or if it was a lack of regulation, “There is smoke, but it is not clear to me that there is fire. Maybe regulators have not done enough to regulate short selling and the mortgage market, but I think before they can conclude that the bear raids the short sellers contributed to the situation, they have to see how the system works. It has always been a mystery to me why there were laws on the long side and not on the short side. It never seemed to be on the table.”
Parr questioned whether illegal activities were to blame for the crisis. “Who knows? However, were there legal activities that we don’t like. Probably. In the ’30s, a new law came out to say you can’t do this because it creates fear. I would wager there will be some new amount of regulations or rules that will come out of this crisis.”- Maria Woehr
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
SAXBY ECONOMICS
Morgan Stanley to Fire More Workers as Economy Slows (Update2)
By Christine Harper
Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) — Morgan Stanley said it plans to fire 10 percent of its institutional securities staff and 9 percent of the firm’s asset-management group as the economy contracts and client demand wanes.
The cuts are in addition to headcount reductions disclosed earlier this year, Chief Financial Officer Colm Kelleher said at a conference in New York hosted by Merrill Lynch & Co. Morgan Stanley also named Wachovia Corp.’s Cece Sutton and Jonathan Witter to lead the company’s new retail banking business. The firm will pursue “targeted acquisitions” among consumer banks, Co-President James Gorman said.
The firings announced today amount to between 5 percent and 10 percent of Morgan Stanley’s 46,383 workers, said a person familiar with the matter, speaking anonymously because the numbers aren’t public. The reductions add to the 4,440 people Morgan Stanley has already fired in 2008 and increase to more than 155,000 the number of jobs eliminated by the financial industry worldwide since the middle of last year.
Morgan Stanley and larger rival Goldman Sachs Group Inc. are cutting jobs after opting to convert to deposit-taking banks from securities firms in September, following the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Goldman and Citigroup Inc. last week began firing workers as part of plans to cut more than 12,000 jobs.
Lehman collapsed amid a crisis of confidence in Wall Street firms that relied on the debt markets for funding. Morgan Stanley last month raised $9 billion from Japan’s Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc. and received $10 billion from the U.S. government.
Assets Shrink
Sutton, 50, will oversee Morgan Stanley’s push into commercial banking, the firm said in a statement today. She was in charge of retail and small-business banking at Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia. Witter, 39, will be chief operating officer of Sutton’s new group.
Sutton will join Morgan Stanley’s management committee and report to co-president James Gorman, the firm said.
New York-based Morgan Stanley shrank total assets to “significantly” below $800 billion by the end of October, Kelleher said. The company aims to fund 50 percent of its holdings with equity, long-term debt and deposits.
Documents on the firm’s Web site that accompanied today’s presentations show that 33 percent of the firm’s assets are funded with equity, long-term debt and deposits, up from 21 percent in 2007. Total assets have dropped to below $800 billion from $987 billion in the fiscal third quarter as the firm reduces its leverage.
Courting Deposits
Kelleher said he expects lower leverage to shave 3 to 5 percentage points from the firm’s normalized return on equity and that in the very near term'' returns will bevery challenged.”
The slides today also said the firm’s institutional securities business, which includes investment banking and trading, plans to “re-size cost base and headcount to match current opportunities.”
The areas that the division plans to reshape'' include prime brokerage, proprietary trading, principal investments and commercial real estate origination. The areas that the firm plans tomaintain” or “grow” include cash trading, equity derivatives, foreign exchange, rates, commodities, corporate credit, mergers and acquisitions and capital raising, according to the slides.
The company said Oct. 29 that it’s using its 8,500 brokers to help attract deposits and has sold $3 billion in certificates of deposit in four weeks.
Profit fell 41 percent to $3.96 billion in the nine months that ended Aug. 31 and the stock is down 78 percent this year. Morgan Stanley dropped $2.14, or 15.2 percent, to $11.94 today in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
By Cornbread Fred
November 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim, sell that John Deere and get an old Farmall - best machines ever made! Hey Ragnar “it is merely pervasive within that lesser ideology” HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
By Boing
November 13, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Go Palin! Drag the GOP into the abyss that is the religious right fringe! If that happens, the GOP is going the way of the dinosaur for a generation.
By BROWNE
November 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Wooten, the truth really is that Palin would not be such an easy target, if the accusations were not mostly true. It is not because she is a woman, this would have never happened to Hillary.
By Dusty
November 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Dear Glenn,
I see that you are on a roll this morning. Getting ready to stun ‘em in Lotus Land, huh?? Poor critters. They won’t know what hit ‘em (or what you’re trying to say at times). Remember your first tries at language smog when you came here?
Nowwwww, what in the world do I have to do with UGA? Glad your Granddad was generous to Georgia (or was it just Lincoln). But the universities of South Carolina were the fountains of knowledge for my husband and me (except I did a couple extra years in Boston). My children learn NOT at UGA but other places of joy and enlightenment.
But, always good to hear from you and your faithful admirer Ragnar. This blog would be sunk without him. Somebody has to tell the truth here.
See ya’ later. Gone again.
By ncgreybr
November 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
The Left “hated and feared Palin”? I am part of that “left” that you talk about and apparently fear so much. Did I “hate” Palin? No. I felt sorry for her. She was stuck in a place where even her backers were so astounded by her lack of knowledge that defeat was inevitable. Did I “fear” Palin? I feared what her ignorance could do to this country. BUT I wasn’t alone. There were millions of Republicans who also feared that.
Sorry, Jim. The left didn’t bring her down. Her mouth brought her down.
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Saxby Eocnomics
Reuters) - Some directors on the Citigroup Inc board are considering a move to replace chairman Win Bischoff as they are dissatisfied with the company’s performance, the Wall Street Journal said, citing people familiar with the matter.
It wasn’t clear how many of Citigroup’s directors were advocating a change, and it was possible the board would opt to stick with its current chairman, the paper said.
“I’m not sure it will happen, but it seems likely” that Bischoff will be replaced, the paper quoted one person familiar with the situation.
However, the paper quoted a Citigroup spokeswoman as saying: “Any report that the board is searching for a new chairman is false.”
One leading candidate is Richard Parsons, Time Warner Inc chairman and a member of Citigroup’s board, the paper said.
The possible chairman switch, still in the discussion phase, reflects a rising sentiment among some Citigroup directors that they’d prefer to have an outsider running the board, the paper said, citing people with knowledge about the matter.
One potential wild card is whether President-elect Barack Obama would ask Parsons, part of Obama’s transition economic advisory board, to take a prominent role in his cabinet, the paper said.
The discussion of replacing Bischoff comes as the New York-based company’s board is adopting an increasingly assertive stance toward overseeing chief executive officer Vikram Pandit and his team of executives, the paper said.
It said some directors have grown concerned Bischoff hasn’t been exercising adequate oversight.
Housing and credit market turmoil has forced Citigroup to post its fourth straight quarterly loss, reflecting billions of dollars in write-downs and credit losses.
Parsons, Citigroup’s lead outside director, recently has involved himself more heavily in monitoring its internal operations, according to people familiar with the matter, the paper said.
It said Parsons has been summoning top executives throughout the company to gauge their opinions on its operations, and then briefing his fellow directors on the conversations.
Parsons was meeting or talking by phone with executives several times a week and some have been complaining to him, the paper said.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Yeah, but that g******* Silver Fox of the Suwannee is the last thing snoozing in the way of us and the Democrats’ god-given deniability once they screw up this next cycle. Get the Hook, I say!
Or at least get the defoliant. I want the b******* to be left without cover…
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Dear Glenn @ 3:16, re @@, acknowledged and agreed. She affirms that her husband is even brighter than she –must be dazzling. In all fairness, I knew a fellow in law school who belongs in that pantheon also, Ed Weis. Think he spent some time here after law school.
By BROWNE
November 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Wooten, the truth really is that Palin would not be such an easy target, if the accusations were not mostly true. It is not because she is a woman, this would have never happened to Hillary.
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
SAXBY ECONOMICS
*General Electric said Wednesday that the federal government had agreed to insure as much as $139 billion in debt for its lending subsidiary, GE Capital. *
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
SAXBY ECONOMICS in Georgia
Jobless claims 70 percent higher than last year STAFF REPORT
Thursday, November 13, 2008
More than 29,000 metro Atlantans filed first-time unemployment claims in October, up 70.5 percent from the same month of 2007, the state Labor Department said Thursday.
Statewide, October unemployment claims rose 75 percent from the prior year, to more than 72,600.
Jobless claims 70 percent higher than last year
It was the third straight month of year-over-year increases of 70 percent or more.
“These statistics confirm that Georgians are facing a difficult economic environment,” Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond said in a release. “The rising tide of unemployment, housing foreclosures, the credit and fiscal crisis and the lingering drought have converged to form a perfect storm.”
The Labor Department said job cuts are across the board but that manufacturing, construction, retail and private employment agencies have been especially hard-hit.
Metro Atlanta logged 29,057 claims in October, vs. 17,044 in October 2007.
Statewide, the Labor Department said there were 539,383 initial claims for the first 10 months of the year, up 42.8 percent from the same period of 2007.
Metro areas with the steepest rises are Dalton, Brunswick and Athens, the agency said. The smallest increases were in Augusta, Warner Robins and Hinesville.
National numbers higher than expected Nationally, the number of newly laid-off individuals seeking unemployment benefits has jumped to a level not seen since just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
By AmVet
November 13, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Is that you Mr. Gilbert?
I’ve been exceptionally busy for the past few months excoriating the abysmal governance provided by our Republican “leadership”. And enjoying mightily watching the “center-right” (their new and improved term for “conservative”) implode on a daily basis.
My latest clarion call - heads should roll over this financial meltdown. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should be impeached immediately and they along with the many other crooks and swindlers responsible for r@ping the American taxpayer should do time.
And “Six deferment” Saxby should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. By veterans, of course…
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
SAXBY ECONOMICS This is the main man behind Saxby’s Freedom Watch.. Wonder how much subsidies the Taxpayer will be out for the $1.5 million he gave Saxby????
Struggling casino operator Las Vegas Sands will lay off as many as 11,000 workers after a cash crunch forced the company to halt construction on multibillion dollar projects in the Chinese gambling city, a top executive said Thursday.
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Saxby Economics
Hedge funds around the world lost $100 billion of assets in October, according to an estimate from Eurekahedge, amid investor withdrawals and the biggest market rout since the Great Depression.
By Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST
November 13, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
SAXBY ECONOMICS
Life insurance companies, hobbled by real estate investments and committed to paying some costly retirement contracts, face more cuts in their credit ratings before the year is up and have little choice but to seek capital in unforgiving markets.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Wooten you should stay on the tractor as a career. You can’t tell an internet hoax from a correct assessment that Palin’s consistent failure to answer questions even in soft ball interviews from Lauer and Van Sustren proove she will never be qualified for federal office.
She’s as f*cking dumb a woman as you’ve ever seen.
Here’s something that’s not an internet hoax for you to chew on while you’re whiping that tractor into shape. Don’t shoot any dogs or wolves from your perceh on that tractor btw.
Palin will not be Senator from Alaska in the near future if ever. Begich pulled away from Stevens last night, and he continues to do so as the votes are counted. So Palen is not going to have the opportunity to appoint herself by stepping down and letting a puppet Lt. Gov do it (you remember Happy Chandler in 1939—wasn’t that your 20th Anniversery at the AJC?).
Neither the newspaper who provides welfare payments to Wooten nor the NYT has picked up on this turn of events yet, but of course now we have.
Begich takes lead in latest vote count
http://www.adn.com/elections/senate/story/587414.html
Palin couldn’t answer the test questions correctly for an average sixth grader in aDunwoody elementary school.
From Andrew Sullivan who is a conservative journalist, one of many fed up with Palin because unlike Wooten they have a quality education.
*This deluded and delusional woman still doesn’t understand what happened to her; still has no self-awareness; and has never been forced to accept her obvious limitations. She cannot keep even the most trivial story straight; she repeats untruths with a ferocity and calm that is reserved only to the clinically unhinged; she has the educational level of a high school drop-out; and regards ignorance as some kind of achievement. It is excruciating to watch her - but more excruciating to watch those who feel obliged to defend her.
Her candidacy, in short, was indefensible. It remains indefensible.*
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
The auto companies in Detroit deserve to go down the tubes. Their leaders deserve to be fired. They have insisted on showcasing and promoting the moronic gas guzzling SUV for years, and now the result is sinking them. Like the investment banks who refuse to loan and hoard money or continue to buy other banks with their welfare handouts from the Socialist Rethugs and Socialist Distribute the Wealth Bush, the auto companies have p** away their $25 billion first “loan” that will never be paid back.
Even American Frigging Express now has “bank status” in a moronic move by Treasury, and they are hat in hand for a handout. Does it get any f*cking more stupid? I think not.
By CommunistAJC
November 13, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
Dems for Palin, David Brooks? That guy is one of the biggest idiots in journalism. Whatever David Brooks says I say do the opposite of.
To all the Palin haters on this blog, Please tell me how Obama or Biden is any smarter? I mean, Obama thinks that there are 58 states in the union. Biden can’t count to 4 and stole a paper that his own son wrote and tried to pass it off as his. Keep on trying to smear the woman. I can not wait until four years when Palin and Jindal win all 50 states after Obama Husein gets us nuked.
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Chad for Palin to be so dumb in your opinion, what have you done then to prove how smart you are.
Did you happen to run for vp?
Were you elected Govennor of any state?
Does over 48% of America have a favorable opinion of you?( would 48% even know you exist)
Guess for someone that dumb she seems to have more than you figured out.
By AF
November 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Yes. Well, Saxby is a sleeze. He runs ads attacking the opposition rather than arguing his own ideas because he doesn’t have any. He also doesn’t have any accomplishments, other than the level of sleeze he puts in ads against his opponents,and he is good at that.
What should he claim? Complicity in starting an unjustified war? Complicity in mismanaging the fighting of that war? A doubling of the national debt due to cutting taxes while trying to fight a war? No reduction in the size of government? No Child Left Behind? Expansion of Medicare to cover drugs? Deregulating financial markets until they melted down?
I wrote Senator Chambliss when all the bail out business started. My rant - and I admit it was one - was that at least if the government had to bail out the financial institutions, make sure those failures at the top didn’t keep their fancy pay. He wrote back - said they had put strong safe-guards in the bill. What a crock. I read the bill and the “safe-guards” must have been written by the bankers own lobbyists.
Saxby is a follower; he lays down like a lamb when ordered to by the powers-that-be. He gives Georgia nothing, except maybe a little pork barrel spending. Go ahead and vote for him if that is what you want out of your Senator.
By CommunistAJC
November 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
tcoach, Chad Harries has vagina envy. He’s probably accomplished nothing in his pizza delivery career other than winning driver of the month at Pizza Hut.
By AF
November 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Yes. Well, Saxby is a sleeze. He runs ads attacking the opposition rather than arguing his own ideas because he doesn’t have any. He also doesn’t have any accomplishments, other than the level of sleeze he puts in ads against his opponents,and he is good at that.
What should he claim? Complicity in starting an unjustified war? Complicity in mismanaging the fighting of that war? A doubling of the national debt due to cutting taxes while trying to fight a war? No reduction in the size of government? No Child Left Behind? Expansion of Medicare to cover drugs? Deregulating financial markets until they melted down?
I wrote Senator Chambliss when all the bail out business started. My rant - and I admit it was one - was that at least if the government had to bail out the financial institutions, make sure those failures at the top didn’t keep their fancy pay. He wrote back - said they had put strong safe-guards in the bill. What a crock. I read the bill and the “safe-guards” must have been written by the bankers own lobbyists.
Saxby is a follower; he lays down like a lamb when ordered to by the powers-that-be. He gives Georgia nothing, except maybe a little pork barrel spending. Go ahead and vote for him if that is what you want out of your Senator.
By Jon
November 13, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
After what I have seen with this election, I will never trust the mainstream media again. Their credibility is completely shot in my mind.
By BS Aplenty
November 13, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Jim, I am reminded that there were four canonical gospels of Christ. Seems like an instructive and appropriate example to your questions.
By One Voice
November 13, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Jim,
Sounds like exactly where you belong- working on a tractor.
Regardless of the Africa allegation, a person only has to have seen any one of a number of Palin interviews to understand: 1) She’s not bright, 2) she’s not educated, 3) she doesn’t have a clue about the policies that leaders need to have a firm grasp of, 4) she’s not qualified for any national office, and 5) her intellectual deficits dictate she never will be.
I loved the Palin pick for VP because I knew it would torpedo McCain’s already sinking campaign. I would love it even more if she was on the ballot in 2012 because it would mean automatic Democratic victory and signal that the Republicans had still not understood the message Americans sent them in 2006, 2008… Go Palin!
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Jim, all one needed to know about Palin was apparent in her interview with Couric. The woman knew nothing! She was not a credible nominee for Vice-President and not because of anything anyone else said about her. She is the one who killed her own chances. She’s not really qualified to be mayor of Wasilly, Alaska. Tell me Jim, what is the RNC going to do with the clothes they are repossessing from the Palin’s? Don’t they know Todd has been farting in some of those clothes?
By Ga Values
November 13, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
During the Debates Saxby repeated over and over that independent oversight of the $700,000,000,000.00 Bail out Wall Street Bill was in place. Below is a link to the Washington Post which points that there is NO over sight in place. It is my understanding that Saxby had not read the bill but relied on the LOBBYIST who had given him over$2,000,000.00. This 1 of the many reasons we need to fire Saxby
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/12/AR2008111202846.html?hpid=topnews
By Tom Becker
November 13, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Are there woodchucks on your farm there, Mr. Wooten?
By Churchill's MOM
November 13, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
Jim, I don’t think they like our Girl.
No, America. It’s not Ground Hog’s Day. But you’d be forgiven for thinking so if you suffered through Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech this morning before the Republican Governors Association. (And don’t get me started about her three-question “press conference” that was like a Seinfeld episode: about nothing.)
Even though the election was nine days ago, the failed vice presidential nominee tweaked President-elect Barack Obama for lacking executive experience and offered up the help of her fellow Republican governors to guide him. She praised her running mate, Sen. John McCain. She trotted out Joe the Plumber, Tito the Builder, the families of special needs children, Barney Frank and veterans, rhetorically speaking. And when Palin got around to the future of the Republican Party, she fell back on her well-worn ideas of lower taxes, efficient bureaucracy, production of U.S. energy supplies and changing Washington.
If Palin is the future of the party of Lincoln today, the party of Lincoln is in trouble. She could be, one day. But that would require her to duck the lights and cameras, stop talking and start learning. More thoughtfulness about the future of the GOP has been expressed at the Miami gathering by two very able governors, Tim Pawlenty (Minn.) and Bobby Jindal (La.). Palin would do well to watch, listen and learn from the wealth of talent around her.
By duward
November 13, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
The fact that such a hoax could be taken by so many as credible, speaks volumes as to the performance (thus far) of Governor Palin. The fact that supporters of hers who took it as credible and dismissed it as unimportant is, well, disturbing. My hope for the leaders of my country in this 21st century, is that they are well-educated, exhibit common sense, have specific as well as general knowledge as to the ways things work in this world, and have a strategic vision as to how we will continue to move forward to a better day in it. While there are those in the GOP that do possess these qualities, I have not seen even an inkling of anything resembling them in Sarah Palin.
By CommunistAJC
November 13, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
Jim, We have bigger things to talk about. CHINA. No one is even talking about them.
China’s Path to World Power
by Patrick J. Buchanan
For decades, before a heedless congregation, some of us have preached the old Hamiltonian gospel.
Great nations do not have trade partners. They have trade competitors and rivals. Trade surpluses are superior to trade deficits. Tariffs on foreign goods are preferable to taxes on U.S. producers. Manufacturing, not finance, is the muscle of the nation.
Economic independence is vital to political independence.
Following Hamiltonian precepts, the United States grew from 13 rural and agricultural colonies into the greatest industrial power in all history, producing 42 percent of the world’s manufactured goods. We were the awe and envy of mankind, the self-sufficient republic, maker of half of the armaments produced by all the nations in World War II.
That is the America we grew up in — that has now vanished.
Chrysler, Ford, perhaps GM, may be dying. Manufacturing has sunk to 10 percent of U.S. employment, a level unseen since before the Civil War. Europeans and Asians are to assemble in Washington this week to impose upon the United States a New World Economic Order like the one we imposed on them at Bretton Woods in 1944.
Such are the fruits of free-trade ideology.
Across the Pacific, a nation that studied how America rose, and watched as America declined, chose a different path. China adopted and pursued a China First policy of economic nationalism.
In July, Charles McMillion of MBG Services testified to the U.S-China Economic and Security Review Commission on China’s progress.
Beijing began its astonishing rise by devaluing its currency 45 percent in 1994, slashing the prices of exports in half and making imports twice as expensive. As America threw open her market and invited China to come in and capture it, China had erected a Great Wall around her own.
Results: China’s worldwide trade surplus in manufactures, $31 billion in 2001, hit $401 billion in 2007, a 1,300 percent increase, and may reach $500 billion in 2008. China has shoved Germany aside to become the world’s greatest exporter and now leads the world in the export of manufactured goods to Japan and the European Union, as well as the United States.
While running trade deficits with Asian neighbors like Taiwan, to tie them politically to Beijing, China is running record trade surpluses with the European Union and the United States, making America and the West as dependent upon China for our manufactures as we are on OPEC for our oil.
Chinese auto production has quintupled since 2001. She now produces more cars than Germany and may exceed the United States in 2009. While Chinese auto exports are still heavily in parts, finished cars are coming soon to a dealer near you. The Chinese will likely run the sword through the last standing member of America’s Big Three.
Before 2004, China’s manufacturing trade surplus with America was largely in textiles and apparel. But, since then, China’s rocketing trade surplus in electronics, computers and parts has far exceeded her surplus in textiles and apparel.
China’s trade surplus in computers and components rose from $8.1 billion in 2001 to $73.5 billion in 2007. In cellular phones and parts, her worldwide trade surplus grew from $3 billion in 2003 to $50 billion in 2007, and may reach $60 billion by year’s end.
China still imports commercial airliners. But she now has a large and growing trade surplus in airplane parts. This follows the pattern in textiles, computers and autos. First, the Chinese learn by assembling parts in factories in China. Then, China begins to produce the parts. Then, China produces the finished products and goes out to capture the world market, while protecting her own by keeping her currency cheap.
On items the Commerce Department categorizes as advanced technology products, America began running a trade deficit for the first time early in the George W. Bush years. China now exports to us four times as much, in dollar value, in ATP items as we sell to Beijing.
As America mothballs the shuttle, relying on Russian rockets to get our astronauts back up to a space station we built, China is putting men into space and heading for the moon.
Since America ushered China into the World Trade Organization in 2002, Beijing’s growth rate has been four times that of the United States, accelerating from an average 10 percent of gross domestic product to 12 percent in 2007.
With her immense trade surpluses, China’s reserves have surged from $200 billion in 2002 to $2 trillion. Awash in dollars, Beijing now waits patiently, writes McMillion, to cherry-pick the crown jewels of America’s industrial empire — “patents, talents, natural resources, brands” — at fire-sale prices in the global crash.
As America plunges into recession and our industry hollows out, while China is still growing at 9 percent, as the 20th century’s greatest creditor nation now borrows from Beijing to pay for booster shots for its sick economy, may we hear once again the Bush-Clinton refrain about how the terrible danger we all face is from “protectionism.”
By Tom Becker
November 13, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Is Sarah Palin still the GOP vice presidential nominee? or is she the former GOP vice presidential nominee? Can she still see Russia from her terrace or has she settled for a bottle of Vodka on her porch? Is the Africa-is-a-Country story a hoax, or the Meet-and-Greet in a Wet Towel the hoax? Can we believe any story anymore? Christ said, “there will be wars and rumors of wars”, and I never understood that, cause either there’s a war or there’s not, but now I realize that we cant rely on reports, that news is simply rumors until a bomb goes off in your face, or someone greets you at the door wearing only a wet towel, which would have the same effect as a bomb if you were a horny lonely fat aging baby boomer with no sex life or rumors of a sex life.
So when the internet is abuzz with unverifiable reports of war, (or my sex life), you know it’s the end.
By Filster
November 13, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Cynthia baby. You should go back and look at the turnout numbers of the states. It’s not so much that Obam had an “awesome get-out the vote” machine as the reason why he one, it’s that a substantial number of registered reupblican voters chose not to, vote that is. That message hopefully sinks in the the GOP leadership (don’t take us for granted and stop acting like democrats when in power) and come 2010 house eleections, any democraticsuperiority will be significantly eroded. Let’s all remember the subprime mortgage mess had its genesis during the Clinton years and was championed by Bwaney Fwank and is corrupt pals. The lack of oversigtht on Wll Street was not the course of the current financial meltdown, but don’t worry, Dems will bail out the UAW, er, I mean Ford, Chevy, etc. But we will remember, and in 2 years, see how the vote goes.
By Yomommacommie
November 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
I’d like to tell Communist AJC how Obama is smarter than Palin.
Obama: Magna Cum Laude (Harvard Univ.). President Harvard Law Review, Constitutional Law Attroney and Professor.
Palin: 5 colleges in six years, Bachelor’s Degree in sports journalism.
Obama: “57 states”…tired from a long campaign and lack of sleep. I actually heard him address a rally crowd as Ohio and he was actually in Florida
Palin: Wide awake and not very roadworn and spoke in total context when referring to Africa as a country.
Her ability to see Russia from Alaska gives her foreign policy experience.
Lampooned by Canadian radio jocks, pretending to be French President Sarkozy.
Let me know if you want more examples Communist.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
“Can I call ya Barack?” “You can call me Mr. President.”
Wasilla Alaskah is the size of two average AAA high schools.
All the other Rethug govs in Fla. just want the dumb b*** Palin to go the f*ck away—that’s obvious.
@tcoach:
Your retarded criteria for achievement that someone has to be governor or elected to office or well known—what the vast majority of the country knows about Palin ain’t good— to analyze that Palin is a moron is typical of why you got your butt handed to you on November 4.
And I know this. Perdue is a vet. Perdue is so medically stupid that he spent $6 million of your money to buy Tamiflu to stockpile it to prevent/deter an H5N1 epidemic. All the medical literature has confirmed in multicenter study after study that this is indefensably stupid. Tamiflu doesn’t touch pandemic H5N1 except to make it more resistant. How f*cking stupid of your governor who is supposed to be a vet.
After Chambliss released an ad smearing war veteran and triple amputee Max Cleland in 2002, McCain denounced the attack saying, “I’d never seen anything like that ad. Putting pictures of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden next to the picture of a man who left three limbs on the battlefield — it’s worse than disgraceful. It’s reprehensible.”
@CommunistAJC:
This shows that Wooten attracts some of the dumbest Rethugs on the face of the earth:
To all the Palin haters on this blog, Please tell me how Obama or Biden is any smarter? I mean, Obama thinks that there are 58 states in the union. Biden can’t count to 4 and stole a paper that his own son wrote and tried to pass it off as his. Keep on trying to smear the woman. I can not wait until four years when Palin and Jindal win all 50 states after Obama Husein gets us nuked.
If you believe that Obama thinks there are 58 states, you’re delusional. What is painful is to see so many Rethugs who think Sarah is the one.
But on the other hand, the more Palin talks the better for us in any election.
The only thing worse than a person with a little knowledge is a person who doesn’t know what they don’t know don’t know but figures it will all work out in the end. Fat-headed, drunk on power and stupid is no way to through life, much less run an administration.
This applies to stupid statements about Obama as well as the way Palin has conducted herself.
We tried that for eight years. The reviews are in: it was awful.
Also. Goshdarnit. Lose the g’s.
What’s scary is that this woman is too stupid to know she is too stupid to be Veep or hold any other office. Palin is fading fast in reality and she’s driving the stake into her own heart with her repeatedly stupid statements that make no ff*cking sense whatsoever.
An Obama/Carabou Barbie debate would be a slice of heaven. The President of Harvard Law Review against a board certified moron.
Alaska is going to a runoff but it’s going to be between Begich and Stevens, and this time Begich will win. That is because A victory by less than .5% will trigger an automatic recount just as in Minnesota. The Begitch lead is currently .29% with 40,000 votes left to be counted at 9P last night.
The election should have taught the thugs that a right wing agenda will sink them. Palin will not be on the ticket again, whatever your delusions. Jindal is considerably more qualified, but he is a right wing nut so bring him on by all means.
We’re set to make great gains in the House and Senate for generations to come, and your delusional meme just helps us.
Jindal /Palin will give Obama a land slide victory in 2012 so keep it going.
This is a typically moron sentence from the severly learning challenged or possibly clinically retarded Palin:
Sitting here in these chairs that I’m going to be proposing but in working with these governors who again on the front lines are forced to and it’s our privileged obligation to find solutions to the challenges facing our own states every day being held accountable, not being just one of many just casting votes or voting present every once in a while, we don’t get away with that.
In what respect Wooten?
By blah
November 13, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Will someone fire this clown and hire a real journalist? Sarah Palin not knowing Africa was a continent WAS NOT a hoax. The guy who claimed to be the McCain advisor WAS A HOAX. A McCain advisor did indeed say this about Palin, just not the nutjob who claimed to be a McCain advisor.
Geez. I can only imagine what other “insight” you are getting in your conversations with the moron “non-junkies.” You should be more specific: “Non-POLITICAL junkies.”
By Hillbilly Deluxe
November 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Good luck on fixing the tractor. I feel your pain. Keeping an old tractor going can be quite a task at times. In my world though, we all have old Ford tractors. None of us can afford old John Deeres.
As for the media, there is a reason that the media is viewed in contempt by a great many of us. The trend towards going with stories without checking them out is becoming more and more prevelant every day.
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
wasn’t Palin running for VICE president at the time and Obama was running for President?
Wouldn’t put much up about Obama and college either, still no release of his entire academic transcript?
By Soothsayer
November 13, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Andy @ 12:37
For once you have posted something that I can agree with you on. I have been telling anyone who will listen exactly the same thing.
I believe that our economy is very much like a giant oak tree. An oak tree grows from the tiniest twigs sprouting leaves. Take away the leaves on the tiniest twigs and the oak tree stops growing.
The United States has and continues to be in the “leaf trimming” business for decades. We have shipped most of our manufacturing business overseas. We have consolidated retailing into a few “big box” concerns putting main street out of business.
The US worker will never be able to compete with Chinese, Indonesian, Indian, etc. workers unlesss they are willing to accept a lifestyle similar to those workers—not a pretty sight.
Sure, for business, there is great advantage to using foreign labor. They can sell goods for a fraction of what they would cost if manufactured in the US.
And yes, even for our own people the prices of goods is dramatically lower if manufactured overseas. But what is the true cost?
And now, we wonder “what happened?” What is the answer? Some form of “fair trade” policy must be implemented or the US will never recover economically.
By Tom Becker
November 13, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
Is Sarah Palin still the GOP vice presidential nominee? or is she the former GOP vice presidential nominee? Can she still see Russia from her terrace or has she settled for a bottle of Vodka on her porch? Is the Africa-is-a-Country story a hoax, or the Meet-and-Greet in a Wet Towel the hoax? Can we believe any story anymore? Christ said, “there will be wars and rumors of wars”, and I never understood that, cause either there’s a war or there’s not, but now I realize that we cant rely on reports, that news is simply rumors until a bomb goes off in your face, or someone greets you at the door wearing only a wet towel, which would have the same effect as a bomb if you were a horny lonely fat aging baby boomer with no sex life or rumors of a sex life.
So when the internet is abuzz with unverifiable reports of war, you know it’s the end.
Is the missionary position a sex act or a policy edict from the evangelical right? Or am I repeating myself?
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
@tcoach:
From the increasingly moronic tcoach:
Wouldn’t put much up about Obama and college either, still no release of his entire academic transcript?
The day you graduate/could gain entrance to a place like Harvard Law or Columbia is the day I’ll eat 15 Federal Reporters. You’re just revealing your Palinesque stupidity.
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
chad, “to analyze that Palin is a moron is typical of why you got your butt handed to you on November 4.”
I did not know that I was competing in anything. I thought I was VOTING in an election. How did I lose either way if Obama is suppossed to be so dandy?
I made the connections and listed some of her accomplishments. What are yours you attack and call her dumb, my question is what is it about you that makes you smart enough to tell all who is and is not dumb.
I personally think it is dumb that you thought their were any losers on election night other than those who ran for office and failed. I consider all Americans winners since we still have the right to vote, and that we will have a non-violent change of power. But obviously you do not feel this way. So who are all of the losers in this country? Because not every democrate won their election, most but not all.
By Gator Joe
November 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
Wooten: False information about Palin’s lack of intelligence is unnecessary. Palin provides more than enough evidence of her simple-mindedness each time she gives an unscripted interview. I hope you and your fellow Republicans continue to promote candidates such as Palin, thus insuring your irrelevance as a political party.
By Lyrical Louie
November 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Welcome back, Glenn. I’ll not pick at you this time and just enjoy reading your posts. In fact, my Creator is not posting on this blog until after Inauguration Day. Don’t tell him about this little indiscretion, OK?
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
“feared sarah palin” — only a sissy boy like woodie could fear that ignorant freak sarah, or its husband Toad, or was it Todd? I prefer Toad…..Even dressed as the wicked witch of the west, sarah could only invoke laughter from me….Toad should wear a pink tu tu, it would help him fit in with the other boys in the gop…
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Correction
According to goofy Alaska election law,
If the candidates end up within either 20 votes or half a percentage point of each other, either candidate or a group of 10 registered voters can request a recount without paying the $15,000 fee, and an automatic recount is only triggered by a “tie.”
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/585074.html
“Both campaigns asked donors for money to monitor the ballot review and counting. If the candidates end up within either 20 votes or half a percentage point of each other, either candidate or a group of 10 registered voters can request a recount without paying the $15,000 fee, Fenumiai said.
An automatic recount only occurs in an exact tie.
According to the Division of Election’s projections, the election will end up drawing the second most voters in an Alaska presidential election, next to 2004, but far from the blockbuster numbers you might expect in an election that saw Stevens found guilty in a federal court just days before the voting and Gov. Sarah Palin running for vice president.”
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Chad, why the hostility and name calling? Quite childish don’t you think.
I most likely would not have been admitted to an Ivy league school, but I do not know did not apply. Was accepted to Duke, but was not good enough for scholarship. Did you get accepted to an ivy league school? If so you should be proud.
How did I reveal my stupidity as well? Be specific in examples, and why that shows me as being stupid. An intellect as you are should have no problem explaining their position.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
@tcoach:
Avoid the runon sentences. You’re writing like Palin talks.
And the only accomplished people in the world are not those that are politicians who run for office. If Congress’ and Bush’s stupid no strings attached bailouts are any symptom of accomplishment to you that’s pathetic.
I’ll put my comments here up against yours anytime.
The contrast in education and knowledge in several fields, and writing ability is obvious.
Again, Perdue is a governor and he spent 6 million dollars in a medically stupid fashion. Tamiflu does nothing for H5N1—I haven’t seen your claims as to how it does because there aren’t any in the medical literature (which you don’t know exists).
By Barracooder
November 13, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Real Republican at 8:45am, do you think Senator McCain is reading this blog?
By Tailgater
November 13, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
George W. Bush was a graduate of Yale and Harvard.
By Gator Joe
November 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
If all the NRA-super patriots who have not served would enlist we would be able have the armed forces sufficient to win all the conflicts (necessary and otherwise) the Republicans have started. Also, if the draft were reinstuted, at the head of the line waiting to join the pacifists, would be draft age Republican males.
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Is it Quail hunting season in south georgia? Back to the Plantation….
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
When Oh when Chad did I say anything about accomplishments being only through politics?
Palin is a politician it is what she does. Since you are obviously the smarter of the two what comparable sucess in your career have you had? Have you reached the plateau of being considered one of the top 4 people in our country in a certain field?
I also see you are one of “those people” who correct grammer when they have no other logical argument. This is a blog, therefore not in compliance with accepted grammer qualifications. In a blog it is acceptable for people to write as they would speak in an informal conversation. Thus the need to correct run-on sentances is null and void.
I did not know I was suppossed to respond to the Gov. Perdue and avian flu news. You are correct in that statement. But I do not think that Gov. Perdue was the only person to make the mistake, of thinking that particular anti-virus would work.
Another thing I have noticed is your complete lack of an attempt to answer my question about what sucess in your life gives you the right to call Palin Dumb. She must know something, look at my list above.
So show signs of being a coward and don’t answer questions asked of you inturn ask other questions and hope the question asker gets confused.
Do you still think elections are about the voters either winning or losing?
By F22 Man
November 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
Here’s why we need Martin……
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon on Wednesday agreed to provide Lockheed Martin Corp. with $50 million in “bridge funding” to buy parts for four more F-22 fighter jets.
The extra funding, approved by Defense Secretary Robert Gates, will provide a bridge to the next administration to make a decision on the future of the F-22 program in January, according to a memo by Pentagon acquisition chief from John Young.
Presdent-elect Barack Obama’s administration will be able to decide early next year whether to obligate an additional $140 million in funding to support up to 20 more jets.
Gates and the Air Force have differed over the future of the program and the number of planes needed for the service’s fleet. The Air Force says its needs 381 aircraft, while Gates maintains only 183 of the radar-evading planes are necessary.
The Pentagon’s decision would provide funding for four F-22s beyond the 183 under contract.
A representative from Lockheed Martin, the nation’s largest defense contractor, could not be immediately reached for comment Wednesday morning.
Shares of the Bethesda, Md.-based company fell $2, or 2.7 percent, to $72.41 in midday trading.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
@tcoahc—
To name a few of your ridiculous assertions—did you in fact graduate Duke-p-go on to grad school or some professional school after? That’s difficult to believe.
Your statements about what Obama or Biden has thought or said about the number of states is imbecilic.
Your assessment that Palin is qualified to do anything in public office (although there are a lot of pathetic Rethugs in Senate and the Congress) is simply nuts.
She has been repudiated by a long collection of Rethug Conservative icons who write for a living including George Will.
Your concern about my career (I have never wanted public office—I wouldn’t waste my time with the fund raising).
Your “vagina envy” comment is delusional. Smart women would be welcome as candidates for either party. Palin is simply not one of them.
Your pizza delivery comment is age 3. But I admit to liking Pizza. Try Rosa’s in downtown Atlanta—it’s not NYC but about as good as it gets here.
This comment was patently stupid:
*Chad for Palin to be so dumb in your opinion, what have you done then to prove how smart you are.
Did you happen to run for vp?
Were you elected Govennor of any state?
Does over 48% of America have a favorable opinion of you?( would 48% even know you exist)
Guess for someone that dumb she seems to have more than you figured out.*
Wouldn’t put much up about Obama and college either, still no release of his entire academic transcript?
Again Patently stupid. Obama graduated from two of the best schools in the country and was President of Harvard Law Review. He’s President of the US now.
He taught courses at Univ of Chicago and a current Emory law professor who was a student of Obama’s wrote an article praising him. I’d quit worrying about Obama’s academic accomplishments. They’re stellar. I’d concentrate on the clusterf*ck Hank Paulson a Rethug has made with the bailouts for openers instead of on my career or Obama’s academics.
Tcoach that’s all the time you get. If you want to raise an issue—a comment on how you think the bailout is going instead of petty fiction about Obama/Biden that’d be appropriate. I haven’t seen any facts come from you, and I’d be amazed if you got anywhere near Duke’s campus in your life.
By t-ball coach
November 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
I got through Duke on a 4 year t-ball scholarship. Saved me a bundle and I learned a lot, two.
By AGTFan
November 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Thanks for setting the record straight. A lot of us were fooled. First in line for the eating of crow should be the RNC news network otherwise know as FOX News since they were the first media outlet to run the story. It’s nice to see that even when talking about Republicans they maintain their low journalistic standards.
By JackLeg
November 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
The only reason that you would not want a national government issue ID is so you CAN commit voter fraud. If we can spend $700 billion to keep the evil rich richer then we can afford to send an ID free of charge to any LEGAL American that needs one. By the way Mizz Tucker, how come you are not talking about the OBVIOUS voter fraud in Minnesota? It seems that the only votes they keep finding are dimacrat votes, how can that be? Are the dimacrats the only people stupid enough to lose their votes or could it be 100% fraud. My guess is the later.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
@Jack Leg:
Your citations of fact butressing your claims of “obvious vote fraud” in Minnesota have been displayed precisely where?
Can’t get away with that.
If you’re going to make claims of vote fraud, butress them with facts.
You might want to consider applying to Cox Newspapers for the same welfare handout they give to Wooten.
By Chad Harris
November 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
@tcoach:
I have the rationale to call Palin dumb because I have watched everyone of her absurd answers in the few interviews she has conducted. I noticed that her time for questions at the RGA was extremely short and she still managed to make an idiot of herself.
I can’t help you if you think that Palin is qualified or informed. But I can tell you realistically she is not helping your party in any way unless you think other more qualified candidates will benefit from her making a fool of herself as she continues to do.
Again, Andrew Sullivan has her nailed and he has been a successful conservative writer on the national scene for years. George Will has condemned her in an even more scathing fashion. You’re not going to claim Will is a Democrat or liberal are you?
Why Palin Still Matters: Atlantic Blog by Andrew Sullivan
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/thedailydish/2008/11/why-palin-still.html
**This deluded and delusional woman still doesn’t understand what happened to her; still has no self-awareness; and has never been forced to accept her obvious limitations. She cannot keep even the most trivial story straight; she repeats untruths with a ferocity and calm that is reserved only to the clinically unhinged; she has the educational level of a high school drop-out; and regards ignorance as some kind of achievement. It is excruciating to watch her - but more excruciating to watch those who feel obliged to defend her.
Her candidacy, in short, was indefensible. It remains indefensible.**
I rest my case. Gotta leave.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this
Dear tcoach @ 1:20, as father of a tar heel, I would compliment you that the second best school in the triangle graduated you (I would, but I also respect the other dookie on the board, our friend Shar.) The Lt JG regarded well the ROTCers from your school.
By CP
November 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
MSNBC continues to maintain that the story is true although the source is nonexistent. Reminds me of Dan Rathers’ “memos” on GWBush’s National Guard service. Journalism. Pah!
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Silly Chad @ 2:07, Andrew cannot nail Magna Sarah – he’s a homosexual.
By misterearl
November 13, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
Inquiring minds want to know
What’s the latest on Georgia Republican Rep Paul Braun refusing to comment on the George Bush policies he fears so much?
Get that man a press conference
By CommunistAJC
November 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
Chad Harris, You missed your target troglodyte. You went after Tcoach instead of me. Yes, I received my MBA from Duke in 02. And yes, Obama Husein said that he’d been to all 58 states and YES, Biden still can’t count to 4. Can you please have my pizza delivered by 5? Moron.
By JackLeg
November 13, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
OK, Chad lets talk facts, how does a ID card discriminate? How come all votes “found” where for only the dimacrats? Coincidence? The facts are that even in a dimacratic district there will be, as per our latest election, about 48% will not be voting dimacrat, so how come ONLY dimacrat votes are being found? The facts are that if you flip a coin in the air 50% of the time it will land heads and 50% tales, so please explain how this coin 100% of the time lands on tales. Anybody can see that the real voter fraud is the dimacrats and in Minnesota.
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
The sad truth is, McCain can’t read….
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
Commisalami, I see you are still running that hideous mouth, talkin’ loud and sayin’ nothing. I doubt you received an MBA from Duke or anywhere else. You are probably a Pizza Delivery Person yourself. I only hope you aren’t actually making the pies. The thought makes me want to swear off. That’s President-Elect Obama to you maggot. Don’t like it? Tough b***! Who cares if Obama said 58 states? Ever how many we have, he’s the president of all of them! In four years you can take another a*-whuppin.” Shut up boy!
By tcoach
November 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
CHAD your 1:49 What I will do is go through and critique your wild postings
This is what you wrote:
” To name a few of your ridiculous assertions— did you in fact graduate Duke-p-go on to grad school or some professional school after? That’s difficult to believe.NO AGAIN I SAID I WAS ACCEPTED TO DUKE, CAN YOU READ?
Your statements about what Obama or Biden has thought or said about the number of states is imbecilic. I DID NOT SAY THAT IT WAS CORPORAL, again you fail
Your assessment that Palin is qualified to do anything in public office (although there are a lot of pathetic Rethugs in Senate and the Congress) is simply nuts.-SHOW PROOF OF WERE I EVER MADE THAT ASSERTION, AGAIN YOU FAIL
She has been repudiated by a long collection of Rethug Conservative icons who write for a living including George Will. WHEN DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS
Your concern about my career (I have never wanted public office—I wouldn’t waste my time with the fund raising).
Your “vagina envy” comment is delusional. Smart women would be welcome as candidates for either party. Palin is simply not one of them. AGAIN READING IS FUNDAMENTAL, CORPORAL WROTE THIS
Your pizza delivery comment is age 3. But I admit to liking Pizza. Try Rosa’s in downtown Atlanta—it’s not NYC but about as good as it gets here. AGAIN MY 3 YEAR OLD CAN READ, CAN YOU? THAT WAS CORPORAL AGAIN
This comment was patently stupid:
*Chad for Palin to be so dumb in your opinion, what have you done then to prove how smart you are.
Did you happen to run for vp?
Were you elected Governor of any state?
Does over 48% of America have a favorable opinion of you?( would 48% even know you exist)
Guess for someone that dumb she seems to have more than you figured out.* FOR SOMEONE WHO IS SO WILLING TO CALL SOMEONE DUMB I ASSUMED YOU WERE AN INTELLECT, AND THERFORE WOULD HAVE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO JUDGE A VP CANDIDATES DUMBNESS, YET YOU SHOWED NOTHING SO OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, INSTEAD YOU ARE TYPING IN YOUR MOM’S BASEMENT.
Wouldn’t put much up about Obama and college either, still no release of his entire academic transcript?
Again Patently stupid. Obama graduated from two of the best schools in the country and was President of Harvard Law Review. He’s President of the US now.
He taught courses at Univ of Chicago and a current Emory law professor who was a student of Obama’s wrote an article praising him. I’d quit worrying about Obama’s academic accomplishments. They’re stellar. I’d concentrate on the clusterf*ck Hank Paulson a Rethug has made with the bailouts for openers instead of on my career or Obama’s academics. YES THAT IS ALL VERY TRUE BUT HE IS ALSO THE ONLY PERSON WHO RAN FOR EITHER VP OR PRESIDENT THIS YEAR THAT DID NOT RELEASE ALL, THAT MEANS EACH ONE, OF HIS COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS.
Tcoach that’s all the time you get. If you want to raise an issue—a comment on how you think the bailout is going instead of petty fiction about Obama/Biden that’d be appropriate. I haven’t seen any facts come from you, and I’d be amazed if you got anywhere near Duke’s campus in your life.
MY OPINIONS ON THE BAILOUT ARE THAT I INTIALLY FELT THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE THEN I WAS FOOLED BY ALL THOSE WHO SAID IT WAS NEEDED. I FELT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE ONE WAY TO KNOE UNEARTH MY FEARS WERE CORRECT AND THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE USED AS IT WAS STATED TO BE.
NOW I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR PETTY LITTLE QUESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US OF THAT WONDERFULLY INTELLEGENT CAREER OF YOURS, OR IS MOM KNOCKING AT THE DOOR AND YOU HAVE TO MINIMIZE NOW?
BTW clever stealing my name and saying tball coach, you are the very 1st one to come up with that I promise.
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
tcoach is stealing time from the shool children again, but reading its ramblings, that is probable a good thing. Dumb teachers make dumb students dumber….
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Now that hurt! Cimmisalami, why so sensitive? I know you don’t have the intellect to make it through graduate school and so do you. let’s talk about your mother and the shame she must feel in knowing that she brought such an imbecile as you into this world. How very hurt she must be when she looks at the family portrait and sees the black sheep of the family, staring blankly back at her. I bet she wasted no time in getting her tubes tied after getting a look at what she had brought forth! How very sad that, too late, she realized her pregnancy should have been cut short by about seven months. Whey don’t you regale us with more stories of how you set new standards in academic failure at that junior college you were booted from? We love those. by the way, tell your Momma I’ll pick her up at ten.
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
The free ajc advertising rag just hit my driveway…I want all the advertisers out there to know that I never ever remove the rag from the plastic sleave….I just throw the whole thing in my trash can, and I urge all of you to do the same….
By Call it Like it is
November 13, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
OBama = The New Socialist dumb Thug Party!
or better yet, Robin Hood!
Enough Said!
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 3:29 PM | Link to this
I call the 700 billion dollar Republican gift to goldmanslackers, morganslimers, and all just plain outright theft…..put all repukes in prison for life….
By Yomommacommie
November 13, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Tailgater
George W. Bush was a graduate of Yale and Harvard.
You are CORRECT.
Anyone can “graduate”..
Just show up and maintain a “C” average…especially when you only got into the institution because of nespotism (the wealthys “affirmative action”).
Funny how Bush returned the favor to one of his crony interns who only had a high school diploma, yet got him into Harvard Business School. Wow!
By Yomommacommie
November 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this
Tailgater
George W. Bush was a graduate of Yale and Harvard.
You are CORRECT.
Anyone can “graduate”..
Just show up and maintain a “C” average…especially when you only got into the institution because of nespotism (the wealthys “affirmative action”).
Funny how Bush returned the favor to one of his crony interns who only had a high school diploma, yet got him into Harvard Business School. Wow!
By Dusty
November 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
Why don’t you guys go out behind the back fence and fight it out? This is supposed to be a blog not a verbal free for all and every sorehead in town.
Also, anybody posting a comment over one foot long has TOO MUCH TO SAY.
Question: Is there no legal way to put an end to lies about Sarah Palin? Jim has told us about the elaborate setup put to work just to make Palin look incompetent. I hope she files some kind of legal protest over the false info spread about her. Freedom of speech should not included false character indictments. Nor should the Press print it. To destroy one’s character is a crime.
There seems to be two propagators of flagrant lying: the liars and the journalists who print it. Both should be held responsible.
It is also problematic to read posts from those who achievements are obviously lacking but still try to deride a talented woman of achievement. You only make youself look bad.
Jim Wooten is having a good time fooling with tractors and good guys. Give him a break. Don’t short circuit his blog. The good guys are on his side and they all carry a big wrench. Have fun, Jim.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Commisalami, we know you post under many different names. During the time of the election, Jay kicked you off his board for racist remarks. We know who you are and what you are. Jay posted your actual email info. You are filth and changing names doesn’t change how anyone feels about you. Scum by any other name would still be Commisalami!
By h ryder
November 13, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Yes, critical thinking is a skill that can be learned but is useless when it is unused. However, when once reliable sources, the media, do not carry out their previously stated duties, it becomes difficult to critically think because one may not be basing evaluations on unbiased information. Thank you media types for becoming irrelavent.
By GayGrayGeek
November 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
DustBuster - tcoach is One Of Yours. As is the other prolixic poster in these environs, The Esquire.
If you’re upset at long, pointless diatribes, why don’t you trot down to that AFEES office and sign up?
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
h ryder, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Except that I, of necessity, would have employed a copy editor. So thanks also for saving me a few bucks.
Cheers!
By Republicans R Crooks
November 13, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
The 700 billion dollar fat cat bailout is just the Republican Party and the Bush Administration’s version of the “700 Club”.
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
Sign me up, AmVet, for your proposal of 10:55. Except that I cannot concur with your codicil concerning the absurd Silver Fox of the Suwannee. The man must not be “run out of town (by veterans).” That would be plain disrespectful. He should be pitchforked out of town, and the walking-dead “media” hydra along with him.
Moving from the ridiculous to the sublime, I had wished to commend to you, faithful patriot, the two-disc retrospective by that scion of the First Family of Texas, Mr. T Bone Burnett. Even just Disc 1 would do you nicely, Sir. The set is named “Twenty Twenty”. In it you will recognize much Todd, much Bob, mucho Orbison, Krauss, Gram, Harrison, Hank, James, etc., and usually in the friendly persons of same.
Tasty, my friend. Maaahhhty tasty.
As Prof. Ayers used to say, Burn, Baby, Burn!
By Glenn
November 13, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Dusty, dear,
You are still one seriously differently built literalist. I trust you are a Baptist. That would explain both your idiot literalism and your proclivity for parenting fully grown citizens.
No, my parenthetical apology to you owed its existence solely to your admonition, of some time back, never to brag on one’s Southern ancestors. As for the “universities” of South Carolina, which? I count…none. Thomas Jefferson tried to buy the state college in Columbia once, but thought better of it and built his own university, in his home state of course, instead.
I mean, I realize that The Citadel is there, but…
By Hey Jim Wooten
November 13, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
Someone may have posted on this already. There are a lot of posts. I think you need to read the NY Times article again.
The hoax was that the guy claimed to be the one who was the leak. The leak that said she did not know Africa was a continent has yet to be proven or falsified. I suggest you read the article a little closer next time.
By $$$$
November 13, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Bloggers cannot be trusted. Just as there were false stories about Palin, there were also false stories about Obama not having been born in the US, about him being a secret Muslim, about his wife making racist remarks on tape. Would have been nice, Jim, if you had been troubled back when those lies were being spread as well.
By catlady
November 13, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
three guys trying to fix one tractor. The experienced tractor mechanic has bad knees, so he has to sit in a chair and give instructions to the tractor’s owner, a veteran farmer who has arthritis and can’t hold the wrench but can get on the ground and point to the right part, while the guy who knows nothing about fixing a tractor (me) does the work.
Sounds like the Bush efforts to “fix” the economy, except the tractor repair is likely to actually WORK.
Ms. Palin WAs a JOKE, IS a JOKE, WILL BE a JOKE. Doesn’t take ANY media time to see that. Just report on what she says and does. She did not “run” for VP; McCain,in some sort of stupor, picked her from a lineup, I believe because she was the only one who could PROVE she was anti-abortion.
I still cannot belive the idiots, including but certainly not limited to Saxby Chambliss, the Chief Sucker on the Public Teat, who stole 700 B $ plus from us. They put one stupid proposal up which we jumped on and then in compromise stuck it to us with the second proposal. Talk about redistributing the wealth! Repubs, why does it hurt so much less to give to the fat cats than the black and white welfare queens?
Saxby Chambliss (everytime I say or write his name I spit) is a liar. He is not fit to walk the halls of Congress, even pushing a broom. I don’t know if Martin is better but AT LEAST HE ISN’T SAXBY CHAMBLISS, AND HE COULD HARDLY BE WORSE THAN SAXBY! Let Saxby and his service-dodging, influence peddling friends and family get REAL jobs with real-world benefits. Let him spend some time doing the stuff the rest of us do, and see if he learns something. He sure has done NOTHING for most of us for the last 6 years, although his pockets are considerably fuller and his golf score considerably better.
By Dusty
November 13, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this
Glenn, dear Heart,
Now that you have stopped running from one side of the country to the other looking for a job, perhaps I should consider your pontifical opinions with more seriousness. Literalist??Huh? You must be an Episcopalian, that denomination fast shrinking in size due to their proclivity for the more liberal laxities of life.
But NO, I am not Baptist and never have been. Just a fellow Christian in the doctrines of Martin Luther and the church of his name. But, a question for you: when did I ever say not to brag on one’s Southern ancestors? I am quite proud of mine. Perhaps you meant superfluous boasting which can be applied to ancestors in any part of the country. Ah well.
Now you judge the universities of South Carolina with a bit of envy in your heart having never attended one there. As to The Citadel, you wouldn’t fit in there, it being a fine military school. “Disgrace” would be attendance at some institution in California, such as Berkley, etc, etc., schools to learn protest and peculiarities.
Parenting fully grown citizens? Yep, I still claim ‘em even when they grow up, motorcycles and all. I gues that is what you mean. You always were a bit foggy in your frippery. But I shall miss you.
By republicans evil time is up
November 13, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
As long as you hicks continue to drink your jack daniels and budweiser and smoke your crystal meth you wont know whats going on 180,000 jobs lost while yall were kissing suxby a** smoking on your hillbilly pipe wake the phuck up, suxby got it where you are to broke to go to your klan rallies or your nazi events, he doesnt care bout the poor white trailor trash, just rich whites like himself. P.S. this is why georgia is always 49 and 50th in EDUCATION cause you dumb hicks give us a bad name stop sleeping with your sisters and cousins bumpkins!
By Butch
November 14, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Get your facts straight on the Palin story re: Africa is a country. The New York Times report uncovered that the person who claimed to pass the information on was not real. The original claim has NOT been refutted. The hoax was that someone pretended to be the source of the story, not that the story was not true.
By Frost
November 14, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this
Blogs are useful places for argument, and exploring theories and hypotheticals, but not a smart place to obtain foundation information
Very true Ragnar,even the story being used by ur friend here as a basis for this article is not necesarily accurate.Very objective today,enjoy ur pension Sir!
By SOUTHERN ATL
November 14, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
There are ONLY two words that can describe John McCain’s failed attempt to win the Presidency…….SARAH PALIN…I am not sure how campaigns are ran in Alaska, but whenever she campaigned, her tone was too divisive and radical…The American people never got a chance to know who she was because of her failure to do enough interviews…
I wonder why she is demanding so much attention now?????
I find her folksy voice annoying!!!
By Ayn Rand was Right
November 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Does anyone else find it interesting that the same people who laud the KCouric interview as gospel and that anything posted anywhere on Sarah Palin has to be true, are the same that believe actual admitted activities of a questionable nature my BObama are either lies or irrelevant? KCouric had the ability to edit the interview to make Sarah look any way she wanted. We see how that worked out for her. The only stupid thing Sarah did was agree to interviews with KCouric and CGibson. That was definitely not a well thought out decision.
BObama’s supporters continue to sit and chant, “I know you are but what am I”, like the mental 5 year olds they are. Sadly, they will not cease the chant, and 4 years from now they will dance to the polls to cast a vote for Change…we still may not know what that change is…of course that would depend on what your definition of change is, or is is…
I also see that education or lack thereof does not seem to be an indication of intelligence or common sense. Obviously BObama is intelligent, but how did he pay for all of that school? From what I have seen, most of his family seems to be this side of poverty ridden, and yet, no word on scholarships or timely paid student loans emerges? If you cease to question your government, it will cease to represent your interests.
By Republicans R Crooks
November 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Could Wooten be down there in South Georgia shooting little birds (quail) with a big old 12 gauge shot gun…..what man…..Sort of a man in full…wannabe….
By JB
November 14, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
Hey Jim — Looks like you need to check YOUR sources and vet YOUR stories.
If you read the WHOLE NYT article cited in YOUR column, the hoax in question was NOT the alleagation itself. The hoax was someone claiming credit for it See below, a direct quote from the story:
“The pranksters behind Eisenstadt acknowledge that he was not, through them, the anonymous source of the Palin leak. He just claimed falsely that he was the leaker—and they say they have no reason to cast doubt on the original story. For its part, Fox News Channel continues to stand behind its story.”
Looks like Jim needs to heed his own advice and stop spreading misinformation as well.
By jim s.
November 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Do you really think Wooten didn’t know that the hoax only went to the matter of who the leaker was? Come on, he knew; unfortunately he’s become so blinded with his partisanship that he’s chosen to throw any journalistic integrity he once had out the window. It’s truly sad. Jim Wooten—-defending the indefensible.
By Rhett
November 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
I’m a registered Republican due to my religious beliefs, but as a woman could not bring myself to vote for the Ms. Palin (the dingbat and bitter woman she proved HERSELF to be) who was put on the ticket with VP duties of focusing on families and disabled children (in other words, she’d be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen setting the entire Women’s Movement back), nor as an African-American could I support a party that was inciting a race-based riot (hatred against Arabs and Muslims; same reason I didn’t vote for Hillary because of racist statements made by her political supporters, Geraldine Ferraro and Former President Bill Clinton) and allowing party affiliates to get away with distributing publications depicting Mr. Obama on a food stamp surrounded by fried chicken, ribs, kool-aid, and watermelon (sterotyping Blacks and showing hatred against the less fortunate)…and the hatred from the Republican party clearly continues in this blog. To me, the GOP (Grand Old Party) came across as the Good Old Boys Network this year. I’m disappointed that my party let me down. But thankfully, in the end, Mr. McCain instructed ALL of us to support OUR next president, Mr. Obama, and remember that we’re the UNITED States of America.
By JB
November 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Jim S. —
I have no doubt that Wooten knew the hoax was about the identity of the leaker and not the story itself, being the intelligent and well-read man that he is.
I just wanted to point out the blatant hypocrisy of criticzing the spread of misinformation while engaging in the same practice.
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
KCouric had the ability to edit the interview to make Sarah look any way she wanted.
Only she didn’t! Palin, nor anyone else, has made no such allegation. You’re the first and it’s a lie and you know it! Palin is an empty-headed, defeated moron. Your charge of unfairness is without foundation and ludicrous on its face. Even the Republinazis at FIX news say that Couric was fair with Palin and asked her nothing she should not have been able to provide an answer for. The fact is she’s not qualified for any job. The election is over and the President-Elect of the United States is Barack Obama. Get used to it!
By Call it Like it is
November 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Yea, get used to the NEW SOCIALIST PARTY from another non-experienced ROOKIE Thug from Chicago who has done nothing for those in his district as well!
Palin’s experience far out weighs your anointed one’s.
We shall all sit back and see how your government dependent president and his BIG Government will solve all of America and the World’s problems.
What a JOKE!
Enough Said!
By Algonquin J. Calhoun
November 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
No, not enough said! Teh Republinazi government of George W. Hitler has increaed the national debt by more than all the other presidents combined. Talk about a thug, George W. Hitler, stole the office he disgraced, desecrated the Constitution, manufactured evidence to justify a brutish attack upon Iraq, killed hundreds of thousands of people, committed incalculable war crimes, sanctioned torture of detainees, threw ten billion a month down that rat hole, presided over the theft of billions of dollars by his friends on Wall Street and then put our distant descendants into debt by bailing out the thieves with little or no oversight. What a joke you are Nazi peckerwood!
By David Zukerman
November 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
First, this is to assure everyone that my website is real and so am I.
Anyone doubt the reason the hoax on Palin worked was because the media loves to print stories that will embarrass Republicans.
Now itg seems the Minnesota Senate seat will be handed over to Al Franken (as consolation prize for the failure of Air America?). More reason to regard our pols as a joke.