Thinking Right

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Evil is all around us. It’s part of life – we just get used to it. That may be the saddest commentary I have ever written on our world. And you thought I would not be able to get through that argument without mentioning “abortion” or “Leviathan.” I guess you were right.

(Fill-in-the-blank) College of Humanities /Social Service /Education Studies /African American Studies – be serious Jim, what do you expect? We’re not talking about the brightest of the brightest lights. I’ll concede that you find some bright people in such dead-end areas as history, political science, psychology, but that is only because there is no “truth-in-studies” disclosure mandated by law. It ought to be a crime to sell a $100,000 “education” in a field with no job prospects; fits my definition of trustee fraud. That’s why they all wind up in law school. The jobs are always going to be in engineering and the sciences and math and economics and business courses.

John Paul Stevens is the poster boy for my Constitutional amendment to change the Article III appointments to a 10-year term. To the substance of your argument, Scalia brilliantly made an argument comparable to Jim’s in his recent mocking concurrence in Kennedy v Louisiana. I quoted it here a few days ago. Thus the overlords - Stevens and Souter and Breyer and Ginsburg and Kennedy - who champion the “living breathing Constitution.” Conservatives intelligently oppose so demeaning the “unchanging bedrock of our society.” Chauncey believes in the living breathing Constitution. McCain understands the unchanging bedrock.

Is the Coke CEO available to run against Johnny? Be nice to send a conservative with some spine to DC. The leftist overlords are determined to manage our lives for us. And True Conservatives understand that soda is “bicarbonate,” useful for refrigerator odors and cleaning car batteries. And “pop” is the sound of a .38 with a silencer.

Make him spend it all, Queeg. The one positive consequence of the election of Captain Queeg and Magna Sarah ought to be to silence the leftists on the “effect” of money in elections. Leftists are pretty slow on the uptake, however. They are not smart enough to appreciate that all of Chauncey’s advertising, disavowing his Marxist tendencies, totally destroys any potential “mandate.” (No, GGG, that does not mean what you think it means.) Maybe Captain Queeg will be bright enough to propose repeal of his signature legislation.

I still get a great laugh reading Biden’s words. Not that he is wrong, he is almost certainly shooting straight. When I first read it, I thought I was seeing a new version of Ray Stevens’s “Mississippi Squirrel Revival.” Jim, most of your readers are not old enough to get the “shake and bake” joke, but your words gave me another laugh; I hear him speaking the little girl’s line, two syllables on the last word. Between that and your soda commentary, our friend PoFo will have a tough act to follow today.

We talked about this last week: “nonpartisan” is the Orwellian term for “leftist.”

Markets work. They work more efficiently if the overlords stay out of the way, but they work regardless. Command economies always fail, and controlled economies always find their control undermined, because markets always work. The controllers are usually not smart enough to anticipate the consequences of the effort to control – as seen in the effects of CRA and similar “anti-discrimination” legislation, and the huge role of FNMA and FHLMC in the recent collapse of the mortgage securities markets. The markets worked, exposed the holes in the emperor’s clothing.

We all know the leftists did everything they could to make Iraq another US loss. President Bush was simply too smart to let that happen. Leftists were always dumber than President Bush, that’s why he left them flummoxed. No vision on the left. But they are persistent, like cockroaches, and I’d guess they’ll try to mismanage Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran into a loss. However, their game plan requires election of a president with an Islamic middle name.

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 24, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim. I have not posted very much in recent weeks. I have been doing my part to maintain this robust Bush economy (wink, wink, nod, nod)!

I see that Silly Sonny is still trying to shaft the Teachers’ Retirement System of Georgia. His original plan (to consolidate the well-managed teacher pension system with other, less well- managed, state retirement systems) was about as successful as his “diet”!

An argument can be made that the COLAs, as currently implemented by TRS, constitute a contractual agreement with, currently, retired teachers. Future retirees would be more susceptible to the shaft, if Silly Sonny is determined to behave as the south end of a north bound mule.

All of this only goes to show that politicians…Republican, Democrat, or Mugwamp…are never to be trusted. While Silly Sonny was a better choice in 2002 than the “Austell apple seller”, Roy Barnes, it didn’t take him long to get knee-deep in the manure of political chicanery.

Never reelect anyone!

By vlscpa

October 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Diet soda causes weight gain. Nutrisweet, introduced for use in soda by THE COCA COLA COMPANY, is poison, and one of the top three side effects is WEIGHT GAIN. Coke is eventually going down over this issue, and it’s about time. Soda is responsible for 80% of the adult onset diabetes in this country, and they’ve kept quite a lid, or a pop-tab, on that truth for too long. Anybody out there ever see a SKINNY person, over the age of 22, with a diet soda?

By Will

October 24, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten:

I am concerned about the socialist ideas of Governor Palin. I

By Churchill

October 24, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Mom is in her room drinking again, Auburns lost last night AGAIN. Mom wants to know how much UGA pays its players. She wanted me to post this and another. I was to say something bad about Jim but I don’t know who Jim is.

John McCain defended the Republican National Committee’s decision Thursday to spend more than $150,000 dollars on clothing and accessories for running mate Sarah Palin.

“She needed clothes at the time,” McCain told a group of Florida reporters.

The Arizona Republican said that the clothing will be donated to charity and that there was nothing unusual about spending the committee’s money on Palin’s look.

“They’ll be donated at end of this campaign. They’ll be donated to charity,” McCain said.

“It works by her getting some clothes when she was made the nominee of the party and it will be donated back to charity,” he added. “It works that the clothes will be donated to charity. Nothing surprises me.”

According to financial disclosure forms, the RNC shelled out thousands of dollars in the days following the announcement that Palin would be McCain’s running mate.

Since the news broke Tuesday, the RNC has taken heat for choosing to spend so much to clothe Palin during such a daunting year for GOP candidates across the country and in the midst of an economic meltdown.

While McCain defended the decision Thursday, he does not have Republican donors pay the tab for his shopping.

“I pay for my suits,” McCain said in an interview with WSLS, a Roanoke, Va. television station.

“I pay for all of my own clothing

By Just Nasty & Mean

October 24, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

G’mornin Jim, et al,

Paul Howard and the other prosecution bozos that allowed the Brian Nichols case to get so out-of-control should be put on trial for malfeasance

I can just imagine one of Nancy Pelosi’s 9th district court of appeals judges getting appointed to the Supreme Court under an Obama tutelage. We’d then have extreme radicals in the White House, Senate & House leadership and Supreme Court. That would HAVE to rank as one of the most dangerous periods in US history with so much power concentrated to the extremes of the political spectrum. God Help us.

I keep wondering when the Lifestyle police will start going after skinny people because they are prone to osteoporosis, curvature of the spine, bone fractures, anemia and getting their a$$ kicked.

It wasn’t so long ago Obla-bla-ma was claiming credit for success in Iraq because he called for a date-certain withdrawal that would have ended about now. Even my Schnauzer saw through that line of BS.

Have a GREAT weekend, everybody!

By Reality Check

October 24, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Jim, .

The headline should be ” McCain turns on his own Party”!!

The bitter angry little man and his life sized dressup doll are lashing out at everybody, and he can’t even she that she is about to turn and stab HIM in the back to set up for 2012! Blind ambition at its best!

By GATOR CHOMP

October 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Demoncrats and thugs are evil. May they rot

By Churchill

October 24, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Here is the other post, What does a man only has enough blood to run 1 head at a time mean?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302489.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this

Evil? Did someone call the name NEOCON? IMHO, Neocons are the most evil force on the face of earth today, responsible for two wars, and hundreds of thousands of deaths…..Just say NO to neocons and their enablers…..The Big LIE party aka GOP are a natural match for the LYING SCUMBAGS labeled neocon, you know, liars like Libbie, Wolfie, Pearlie, and filthy Feithie…..DEPORT THEM ALL TO ISRAEL, AND BAN THEIR ADMISSION TO AMERICA EVER AGAIN….MAKE IT SO….

By Frost

October 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

Good morning *Jim and Ragnar Danneskjöld * OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA !!!

The coronotion of Thee is Near. President Bush was simply too smart Bush and smart dont belong in the same sentence Ragnar,that is fundamental.

Barack is only one up in the poll because of the race factor Jim.Any white alternative to Bush,the election would have been declared already.But im sure he prefers where he is compared to Mccain’s,what do u think?? The Left no longer finds Iraq to be an important conversation, we shouldnt have been there in the first place.Losing 10 billion dollars a week over a mistake is winning? You have a decayed mental,just like Mccain i suppose.

And the drip drip continous!! Every day,its another Conservative endorsing Obama.Yesterday, it was Scot’s turn. And Mccain went on overdrive against Bush. By Nov 04,Bush will be in our camp. Obama is such a uniter!!!

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

NEWSPAPERS ARE DYING, AJC DOOMED, NY TIMES IN BIG TROUBLE—

The New York Times Co. reported a steep drop in third-quarter profits on Thursday, the latest gloomy earnings report in an industry battered by online competition and falling print advertising revenue. The New York Times Co. said net profit fell by 51.4 percent in the third quarter to 6.5 million dollars, or five cents per share, from 13.4 million dollars, or nine cents per share, in the same period a year ago.

The company, which owns About.com, The Boston Globe, International Herald Tribune and 16 other daily newspapers besides the flagship The New York Times, said overall advertising revenue fell by 14.4 percent during the quarter.

Shortly after the release of its results, Standard & Poors said it was lowering the Times’s credit rating to “BB-,” or junk status, while Moody’s Investors Service said it was placing it on review for possible downgrade.

Moody’s changed the rating outlook for the company to negative from stable in July. A further downgrade would reduce it to junk status. Both companies said the moves were based on the uncertain outlook for newspaper advertising.

Print advertising revenue has been declining at newspapers across the United States as circulation drops, more readers go online for their news and advertisers shift their dollars to the Internet.

The New York Times’s share price rose slightly on Wall Street on Thursday, gaining 0.19 percent to close at 10.70 dollars, but was down 3.74 percent to 10.30 dollars in after-hours trading.

The Times said print advertising revenue fell by 18.5 percent in the third quarter while online revenue from NYTimes.com and other websites rose by 2.5 percent.

“The decline in print advertising revenues this quarter accelerated as the economy slowed,” New York Times chief executive Janet Robinson said in a statement.

While print advertising revenue fell, online advertising revenue grew by 10.2 percent in the quarter to 74.4 million dollars, The New York Times said, and now accounts for 12.4 percent of revenue, up from 10.6 percent in the third quarter of 2007.

It said total revenue fell 8.9 percent in the quarter to 687 million dollars from 754.4 million in the same quarter last year.

Circulation revenue rose by one percent due to an increase in home-delivery and newsstand prices for the paper.

The company said it managed to reduce operating costs by 6.8 percent during the quarter and “given the adverse economic conditions, we will continue our strict cost discipline.”

The New York Times also indicated in its statement that it may cut its dividend. “Our board of directors plans to review our dividend policy before the end of this year to determine what is most prudent in light of the overall market conditions,” said Robinson.

It also said it was looking at writing down the value of assets in its New England Media Group, which includes the Boston Globe, by 100 million dollars to 150 million dollars.

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil. Three monkeys typing on three typewriters for three years could produce Jim’s weekend free-for-all.

You cant see evil on a person. You can know evil. You can love or despise evil. Apparently, Wooten can just look at a man and know his disposition. Like the way he notes that we’re winning in Iraq. What mission criteria is being met, Wooten? A economically pyrrhic victory in Iraq has geo-political implications. And now that we’ve raised these economic stakes to include those same geo-political risks, (the bailout), then we are set up to enjoy all the fruits of Wooten’s victory in Iraq.

We are winning. Be glad. Hooray. USA USA USA USA USA.

By Ga Values

October 24, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

The only good news about GEORGIA… FIRE SAXBY NOW, FIRE SAXBY HERE, PAY LESS..

BRUNSWICK, GEORGIA - Cooler weather has come to Georgia’s coast and with it the close of a record-breaking nesting season for loggerhead sea turtles. Due to storm impacts, however, a nest success rate slightly lower than normal is expected for the federally threatened species.

Steps are taken when possible to protect the nesting areas of the Loggerhead The good news is that 1,646 loggerhead nests were counted on barrier island beaches this summer. Cumberland and Blackbeard islands recorded the highest number of nests at 336 and 261, respectively.

The season total represents a record year in Georgia, breaking the previous mark of 1,504 nests set in 2003. Last year’s total dipped to 688, the third lowest since daily monitoring effort began in 1989.

Federal criteria require at least 2,000 nests a year for a 25-year period for the species to be considered recovered.

In August, Tropical Storm Fay swept through the waters off coastal Georgia, creating a tidal surge that inundated and washed away some nests. The lack of a direct hit on the barrier islands tempered the storm’s effect.

However, loggerhead nests still felt the impact.

Researchers and volunteers reported that high tides from Fay damaged approximately 8 percent of the nests. Probably another 25 percent were inundated multiple times, which can affect nest success.

“Generally we have about a 70 percent success rate,” said Mark Dodd, a senior wildlife biologist with the Georgia Department of Natural Resources’ Nongame Conservation Section. “We expect that this year it will be a little lower than normal. Luckily, approximately 50 percent of the nests had already hatched at the time of the storm, so we expect to still have a pretty good year for hatchling production.”

Loggerhead Sea Turtle (Caretta caretta) Final nest success numbers are tallied from multiple databases and will be released by early 2009.

Loggerheads (Caretta caretta) , the most common sea turtle on Georgia’s coast, are endangered, and threatened by trawling, powerboat propellers, and the assorted bits of waste found across the oceans.

With a nesting season that runs from May through September, more than forty percent of the world’s loggerhead population nests in 50,000-70,000 spots on the beaches of Florida, South Carolina, Georgia and North Carolina.

Loggerheads are cute and engaging at birth, but the tiny two-inch turtle hatchlings can grow to be as large as 350 pounds and more than three feet in length. Extremely long-lived, a loggerhead sea turtle can live anywhere from 30 to 198.7 years.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

Gee Jim thank you for telling us about a Foolish decision by McCain…….. that is one of the many, including picking Sarah Palin !

Your Kudos to oil is very funny JIM….how many “Little Folks” got hurt as the OIL companies Ripped off America Blind when the price artificially went up, before it has come down ?

Jim how many American’s were gouged on food prices because of the Gas Rip off?

How Many American’s will be gouged by Heating oil, and gas this winter ?

Thank God we will get NEW Leadership in Washington soon !

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

Of course there’s “Monkey see, Monkey do”, and Mr. Wooten claims to have seen evil……

CNN just reported that J. Edgar Hoover spent about $150K on dresses over his career.

My wife has spent about that much on dresses over our 25 year marriage. Always the same variation of some black tarpy Momma Cass look. The Devil Wears Prada. My wife wears Darth Vader.

By r

October 24, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Good morning,We need to make Nichol’s body temperature 55 degrees real soon.

I never played homeless but I played soldier for 3 years.The play acters should try it.You learn a lot in a hurry.

John Paul Stevens will be retiring.

My friend Mike doesn’t care for Coke products,especially Diet Coke.He said he drank a whole case one day and never lost a pound.Mike was serious,folks.

The entire bill this year to get everyone elected will be about 5.3 billion dollars.

Obama wishes he had a plumbers license so he could plumb a closed loop around Biden’s mouth so no words could escape.

OPEC cut production by 1.5 million barrels and promise further cuts soon if their coffers don’t start to fill.Their demand and supply of money is running on empty.The market is working there.I’m sure this will really help the looming debacle.

Iraq is quieter.It would be a good time to leave and let them have at each other.It would take Iran’s attention off cutting oil suplies.Bring everyone home and station them around the perimeter.Circle the wagons,so to speak.

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Humorless Lifestyle Police? There was a joke there, with Soft Drinks, COLAs and Sodas, (oh my).

But you missed it. Instead you went for the parallel structure gag about the students sleeping outdoors to learn about homelessness. Of all the places to go, you went to the one bit that couldn’t work. Here’s where you go with that material: Why do they think sleeping outdoors can teach them about homelessness when sitting in desks inside classrooms all day doesn’t teach them to learn.

Now THAT’S a good joke.

jklol. i liked your joke.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Evil is in the eye of the beholder….Animals eat their young, people do not, so does that make animals evil? One group of men in power make the actions of other men illegal, so is killing the men in power not evil when the men in power are Bathists under Saddom, but EVIL when they are pro western arabs like Anwar Saddot? EVIL is all in the eye of the beholder…..So don’t let Idiot Jimmy’s scare tatics influence your vote…..IMHO, the greatest threat of EVIL in this election is the possibility of a senile, bad tempered, poor decision making old man having his finger on the nuclear button. We can rest easy if the finger on the button Mr Obama’s, as he is a mild tempered man of reason….Unlike McInsane…

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Forgotten - You have, um, Forgotten that the Republican’ts use a reciprocal definition for Iraq. “Winning” means “We’re achieving VICTORY!” while “victory” means “We’re WINNING”.

Yes, and circular logic brings us full-circle. Spin, spin, spin in a circle, it’s all the Republican’ts have left.

By Mr. KnowItAll

October 24, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Ga Values

What are you…some kind of nut case? Jim is trying to lead a discussion on specific topics—and out-of-the-blue—you start talking about turtles?????

You better double-up on the Prozac today, my ADD friend. You are about to blow a brain gasket.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Gosh Jim……

Looks like the REPUBLICAN Leadership, or lack of Economic Leadership has the country just where we want it !

Kudos to the Bush Administration……. Jim your party has done SUCH a WONDERFUL JOB !

Wow I have never seen more Positive growth in the economy, more JOBS Created, and a higher standard of living for ALL American’s !

Thank you Republican’s for all the wonderful benefits American’s NOW have, after 8 YEARS of REPUBLICAN’S in the White HOUSE.

Obama 08…..A President for American’s !

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Biden’s Lament. Biden is a true idiot, yes, and I can barely bring myself to support Obama because of Biden. Why cant Palin be Obama’s VP. That would serve as some sort of checks and balance, wouldn’t it? She’d break ties in voting gridlocks to the right. And then we’d get to see all those wonderful gowns. I understand Larry Flint made a porn short with a Palin lookalike. That’s evil. ANd so immature that Flint is like our worst citizen. A national troll.

Palin’s look is very easily accomplished. Kind of like Groucho Marx’s look is. or Borrat’s. but then I repeat myself.

Any of you could put grease paint on your face and do standup comedy that would kill. Throw in a pair of dark rimmed glasses, and you’re an instant millionaire. Any of you.

The Brookings Institute is nonpartisan? ANd all we get is “hmmmmm”? Another opportunity to instruct and all we get is “hmmmmmm”. Are you trying to teach about what to do if you dont know the words, Mr. Wooten?

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Knowitall: I think what GaValue means is that the turtles will be the only ones left with unforeclosed homes. A brilliant point. Indeed, Gavalue has often risen above the fray with narrations that encapsulate the emblematic stereotypical poster child of the more germane issues now confronting us, where, as he suggests, we will fight on the beaches surrounded by turtle nests, and if God wills, we should last for a thousand turtle years, which is forty five minutes in dog years, and two seconds of attention span in troll years.

If I may be so churchillian. a chilla cha cha.

moron.

By Eli Jones

October 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Obama’s CHANGE is evil. To take money from people that work hard and earn it and then give it to the lazy able bodied people that wait by the mailbox for their handout is evil. Obama’s Change is Marxism because Socialism is too mild of a word for the change that Barack Obama and his anti-American allies are planning. In case any reader doesn’t know, another word for Marxism is Communism. Not only will your hard earned money be REDISTRIBUTED to the unproductive, lazy losers here in the USA but also all over the world. Barack Obama is currently sponsoring US Senate bill S2433 and the Democratic party is on board for this massive mis-step into placing the yoke of Marxism around our necks. If Obama’s S2433 is passed by the Democrats and it probably will be, it will cost American tax payers an “ADDITIONAL” 845 Billion dollars in new taxes. This S2433 tax money that is fleeced from us will be given to the corrupt United Nations, specifically for the “UN Global Poverty Act”. Your money will then be REDISTRIBUTED to the despicable third world dictators of the world. Barack Obama also has vowed to double the capital gains tax and this will drive investors away from the housing market,plunging it into further depression. Obama has vowed to eliminate the reduction in the death inheritance tax that President Bush implemented. Remember who to curse when your relatives leave you something in their wills and Obama’s Marxist government takes most all of it from you and REDISTRIBUTES it. Michelle “ASHAMED” Obama says we American’s will have to get used to having less, sadly, I believe her if Obama gets elected. Obama is not about hope,he is about pessimism and the despair that comes from submitting to Marxism. The left wing nuts blame the Republicans for the financial mess that we are in. Read this factual information I have posted about the Democrats and their payoff. Here it is, Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions:

Also Dodd is on the Banking Oversight Committee and he should have been looking out for you and me but he voted to give Obama’s vote stealing proxie “ACORN” 20 Million on the first bailout plan.

Also if you are still interested, read about Obama’s S2433 GLOBAL MARXIST’S WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION scheme There are many sites on Obama’s S2433 including Ron Paul’s site, just google Obama’s S2433 and be informed. Truthfully, Eli Jones

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this

DOW Futures are down the limit 550 points, and have been halted….your doing a heck of a job there Bushie….

By ron

October 24, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Churchill——It’s like when Clinton was in the office with Monika.The little head started thinking for the big head.Men get in trouble that way.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Dear PoFo @ 8:56 and 9:04, great stuff. My compliments. You are always up to the challenge.

Dear Frost @ 8:43, while there is a technical truth to your argument, my usage was as an essential component of a valid comparative phrase.

Dear Peter @ 9:15, you would think that a potential of change from Bush to Obama would make markets happy. Instead they seem to be turning straight down? You would think that, but I would not.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

sincere question for jbmlaw:

If you do not believe the Constitution is a “living, breathing document” and is the unchanging bedrock of our society… does that mean you do NOT support a Constitutional amendment that affirms “marriage” as a compact between one man and one woman?

Just curious.

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

Obama’s is not Marxism. If you wanted to fight against Marxism, you should have enlisted during the Cold War, sir.

It’s like Prohibition. Beer lovers finally won with this retort during a wife beating: “If you wanted to stop men from drinking, then you should have joined the army when Washington put down the Whiskey Rebellion….and take THAT…and THAT….and THIS….why do you make me beat you? WHY?”

jklol

Extra point question for today: When did the Beerhat first appear and on which spring break beach in florida?

By Eli Jones

October 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

The posting below was written by Christian musician Scott Williams who is a black man. Please read and give it thoughtful consideration. Christians do not take the side of evil.

Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it’s worth repeating…

First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can’t dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

I can’t vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that’s who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won’t be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.

We need to follow Martin Luther King’s words, don’t judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don’t know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.

NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.

Let’s take a look at the practice he wanted to continue

The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:

A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby) B. The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal. C. The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head. D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole. E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.

Think about this: You can’t give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years.

Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright’s sermons. I wonder why now?

Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 - 20 “Go and make disciples of all nations.” This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a …

Would you support a President who went to a church like that?

Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama’s former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.

This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can’t be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world..

A church can’t have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if itʼs a white church or a black church it’s still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.

Obama’s former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

Cone is the man Obama’s mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?

So what does all this mean for the nation?

In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.

Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 “Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”

Then God says

1 Samuel 1:18 ” When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.” 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.” 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

Here is what we know for sure.

God is not schizophrenic

He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.

Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.

I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama’s positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.

Since we know someone’s value system has to be placed on the nation,

Scottie Williams

By BS Aplenty

October 24, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

By vlscpa @ October 24, 2008 8:09 AM

Diet soda causes weight gain. Nutrisweet, introduced for use in soda by THE COCA COLA COMPANY, is poison, and one of the top three side effects is WEIGHT GAIN. Coke is eventually going down over this issue, and it’s about time. Soda is responsible for 80% of the adult onset diabetes in this country, and they’ve kept quite a lid, or a pop-tab, on that truth for too long. Anybody out there ever see a SKINNY person, over the age of 22, with a diet soda?

I’m 48, have a BMI of 23.4 and oftentimes drink a non-caffeinated diet Coke for breakfast & lunch. I figure in a few more years my bloodstream will permanently change-over to cola and I’ll become ‘The Real Thing’ as it were. That’s one very real counter-example to your partisan inductive argument.

And, I’m certainly not alone.

The unstated and clear destination for your thin-as-gruel claims is that government should greatly expand regulation of our gastronomical and health lives. More power to the overlords less freedom for the citizens. My view is that government operates at its best when it simply provides information to the public and lets the public decide for themselves.

Can I assume you’ll be voting Obama this season?

By ron

October 24, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Sane Jane——Trying to insert ones religious views into the Constitution through an amendment making only marriage between a man and woman legal isn’t going to work either.This is not Constitutional Amendment material.In my view.That also applies to flag burning.Not enough meat there for a meal.

By John

October 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

I will continue to tell you, “I told you so”.

This proud Republican will never stab my President in the back like the make believe ‘mavericks’ who have temporarily taken over our party.

I am proud of the job George Bush had done and sleep safely each night under his watch. These two politicians who are at the top of my ballot will say anything, including the most vile and demeaning things possible about our President, to try to get your votes.

Real Republicans will not dispair. After four years of Obama, Real Republicans will nominate a Real Republican such as Governor Romney and will once again lead this country to the greatest it so richly deserves.

DON’T walk away from this election. Leave the top of the ballot blank but DO NOT ABANDON our Senator and, if you live in the Macon area, help us take a democrat seat.

By El Jefe

October 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

The Forgotten Messiah,

You’re right, he is not exactly a Marxist, he is a socialist.

Documents have surfaced, from a New Zealand Blog and out of Israel, that Obama belonged to the New Party in Chicago, a group sponsored by the DSA, Democratic Socialist of America. Look Here

Of course, the Obama Campaign denies everything, why not, like Bill Clinton, they lie about everything.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

Hey John, did ya sleep safely on 9/10/01? If you had fallen asleep in your office in the wtc on 9/10/11 and woken up the next morning, you wouldn’t be here now, would you? That was on George W Bush’s watch, actually 9 months into his watch, but did he take responsibility? No, he blamed it on the previous administration, just like the lying, cheating coward he has always been. Sleep tight, the coward is still on the job, and you just know he is going to screw up again prior to running out of Washington with his tail between his two hind legs…..

By Captain Freedom

October 24, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

THE Captain wishes to salute those who stand foursquare behind Johnny Maverick McCain and Our Sarah despite the pressures of reality insisting that Our support is perhaps certifiable.

Better that than the RINO turncoats like Colin Powell who support Obamandingo only because they are afflicted by melanin. THE Captain is surprised to learn that former press secretary Scott McLellan and Minnesoooota’s ex-guv Arne Clarflergindengson and Barry Goldwater’s grandchildren are also black. Why else would they support Obama?

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Eli Jones / Scottie Williams:

You must like your eggs “Sunni” side up. Because what you describe sounds an awful lot like a caliphate.

I have strong feeling that the framers were trying to protect the citizenry from folks like you.

You may not know a lot of non-Christians in your daily life, but we’re out there. And we deserve the same freedoms and liberties that you do. It’s horrifying that you would seek to impose your theological interpretations on the rest of us…

By say what?

October 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Eli, Scottie’s argument is somewhat flawed.

I take interest in your statement regarding a white candidate supporting a white based church. Most things American are based out of White,anglo-saxon male viewpoints- so leave race out of this one. Once again, the racial system in America was created by those in power (white men) to oppress non-white MEN (women, Indians, Africans). If you must look at race then look at Obama’s non African upbringing by a White Christian couple from the midwest.
Who says that to lead in this nation of diversity you MUST be of a qualified religion, and who determines the religious qualifications? Jesus was the biggest liberal as he believed and practiced a faith that none of ever will. he was tolerant of different, and preached love of everyone, not just those who fit your pretty little idea of what things should be.

By say what?

October 24, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

Eli, Scottie’s argument is somewhat flawed.

I take interest in your statement regarding a white candidate supporting a white based church. Most things American are based out of White,anglo-saxon male viewpoints- so leave race out of this one. Once again, the racial system in America was created by those in power (white men) to oppress non-white MEN (women, Indians, Africans). If you must look at race then look at Obama’s non African upbringing by a White Christian couple from the midwest.
Who says that to lead in this nation of diversity you MUST be of a qualified religion, and who determines the religious qualifications? Jesus was the biggest liberal as he believed and practiced a faith that none of ever will. he was tolerant of different, and preached love of everyone, not just those who fit your pretty little idea of what things should be.

By say what?

October 24, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Eli, Scottie’s argument is somewhat flawed.

I take interest in your statement regarding a white candidate supporting a white based church. Most things American are based out of White,anglo-saxon male viewpoints- so leave race out of this one. Once again, the racial system in America was created by those in power (white men) to oppress non-white MEN (women, Indians, Africans). If you must look at race then look at Obama’s non African upbringing by a White Christian couple from the midwest.
Who says that to lead in this nation of diversity you MUST be of a qualified religion, and who determines the religious qualifications? Jesus was the biggest liberal as he believed and practiced a faith that none of ever will. he was tolerant of different, and preached love of everyone, not just those who fit your pretty little idea of what things should be.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Dear Jim Wooten,

You surely did kick off the long, long “preachers” this morning. After reading the comments so far I feel like I’ve been to a long “revival” with long winded talkers. Did I mention LONG?

But liberals are not so virulent yet (and I thank them for posting for me yesterday when I was NOT here. THIEVES!!) But a few thoughts of my own here.

HOMELESS—The best way to learn about them is to go down town to a church feeding program and help and watch who comes in. Sad!!

Retired TEACHERS—Maybe the Governor is economizing with teachers just like he is with everything in State Government.

The COCOCOLA CEO & Jim said it best: Obesity is caused by self indulgent foodies over-eating and under-exercisers.

OBAMA’S BROKEN PROMISE…that is why we have tons of Obama publicity far exceeding anything from McCain. Broken Finance Election limits PROMISE made to McCain by Obama, a promise that McCain KEPT.

I like JOE BIDEN, not for VP, just as a good ol’ boy hanging around the neighborhood country store.

IRAQIS HELP US WIN!! Another province turned over to their complete guidance.

Andddd not only is it cold and wet today..at each gust of wind the dead leaves fall..Edgar Allen Poe sure got it right on chill, nil and overcast.

By Elephant Whip

October 24, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Sane Jane:

Kudos on pointing out some of jbmlaw’s sophistry.

So answer Sane Jane’s question, Ragnar/jbmlaw: do you only let the constitution live and breathe when its is in your interest? Or is it indeed the bedrock that attempts to guarantee an objective federal judiciary?

By deegee

October 24, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Adding insult to injury describes the dog and pony show that went on yesterday in Washington. When the representatives of the 3 agencies were questioned why they didn’t see the crisis coming, they lamely stated that the right hand didn’t know what the left hand was doing, and then, incredibly, Greenspan insulted us by saying, “we just aren’t smart enough to be able to forecast what happened over the last few months. Are you kidding me???? I remember having lunch with one of my colleagues 2 years ago and discussing the subprime mortgage frenzy. I had just gotten a sales pitch from someone that had gone into business by offering her customers the ability to bundle all of their consumer debt into some sort of a package that would include their home mortgage. She said that people were doing this left and right and the equity in your home would pay off any balloon payment that would come due in a couple of years, blah, blah, blah. My colleague and I were astonished that this was going on. If we could see the flaw in the slaw, how are we to believe that Mr. Greenspan and all of the MBAs and PhDs working in finance and economics couldn’t see it? That was the biggest load of horse crap that was ever dumped on the steps of the capitol.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Poor Poor DUSTY……

I just read…Obama leads the polls in Georgia……!!!

WOW how wonderful !

See…… there are folks who are enlightened here in Our wonderful State !

Now if we could get a Governor who will do something about our water problem, we may on the way to solve one of our biggest issues here !

By Skeptic Tank

October 24, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this

Pundits like Jim Wooten refuse to state the obvious: this election is not about Obama, it’s not about McCain, it’s not about conservatism, it’s not about socialism, it’s not about anything substantive whatsoever.

This election is a referendum on George W. Bush and the Republican Party, and the state of our nation in the wake of their grip on power since 2000. People are angry, disillusioned, and desperate. They want a change, a wholesale change, and Obama represents that change.

Like it or not, that’s the bottom line, folks.

By getalife

October 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this

Senator Brown makes a funny.

“About quarter till 12 on election night, it’s gonna be Bill O’Reilly sitting there with Sean Hannity,” he said, drawing another cascade of jeers from the crowd at the mention of another popular conservative Fox host.

“No, no wait a sec, this is gonna be too much fun. You’re not gonna be booing ‘cause you know what’s coming next. So Hannity – they’re going through all these numbers and Barack’s won California, New York and Illinois and Michigan and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and all these others. And, you know McCain wins Utah or something,” Brown said, drawing appreciative laughs and claps from the energized crowd.

“Then Hannity’s sitting there next to O’Reilly, and they’re looking at each other, and O’Reilly says, ‘You gonna do it?’ And Hannity says, ‘No.’ So O’Reilly – sweat’s coming, tears are coming down his cheeks – you can see ‘em on your flat screen. And O’Reilly says, ‘Well, Ohio went for Barack Obama. He’s gonna be president of the United States!”

Bwa.

By Elephant Whip

October 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Correction: the question was not Sane Jane’s, but mine. It still goes to the same point, though: do you selectively let the constitution come up for air, jbmlaw?

By Frost

October 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

**Posted: 09:40 AM ET

Obama is up 9 points over McCain. (CNN) — Barack Obama appears to be widening his lead over John McCain as Election Day inches closer.

According to the latest CNN poll of polls, the Illinois senator now holds a 9-point advantage over McCain nationwide, 51 percent to 42 percent.

That’s an increase of two points over the last two days for Obama and a reflection of several national polls that suggest the race seems to be headed in the wrong way for the Arizona senator with only a week and a half remaining.

Included in the latest CNN poll of polls are new surveys from ABC/Washington Post (October 19-22), CBS/NYT (October 19-22), Fox/Opinion Dynamics (October 20-21), Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby (October 20-22), Gallup (October 20-22) and Diageo/Hotline (October 20-22).**

U can cling to the AP poll of 3 days ago for blood pressure relief,if you want Repugs!!!!!

By getalife

October 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this

Senator Brown makes a funny.

“About quarter till 12 on election night, it’s gonna be Bill O’Reilly sitting there with Sean Hannity,” he said, drawing another cascade of jeers from the crowd at the mention of another popular conservative Fox host.

“No, no wait a sec, this is gonna be too much fun. You’re not gonna be booing ‘cause you know what’s coming next. So Hannity – they’re going through all these numbers and Barack’s won California, New York and Illinois and Michigan and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and all these others. And, you know McCain wins Utah or something,” Brown said, drawing appreciative laughs and claps from the energized crowd.

“Then Hannity’s sitting there next to O’Reilly, and they’re looking at each other, and O’Reilly says, ‘You gonna do it?’ And Hannity says, ‘No.’ So O’Reilly – sweat’s coming, tears are coming down his cheeks – you can see ‘em on your flat screen. And O’Reilly says, ‘Well, Ohio went for Barack Obama. He’s gonna be president of the United States!”

Bwa.

By Redneck Convert

October 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Well, you got to kill people so people won’t get killed. I guess we got to put up with this Brian Nichols for awhile longer, but everyone knows he done it and we got to let his lawyers say he’s crazy so we can kill him without the courts stepping in. We got to show the Northreners we are real men. And somewhere there’s a kid in GA that will learn what happens when you kill people and that kid will think twice when he sees us shoot up Nichols and decide not to kill somebody.

I’m so ready for this election to be over. My TV keeps spouting election commercials. It’s got to the point I would be happy to see a return to the ads that just ruin your appetite for supper. Like the woman that’s all stopped up and the guy with yellow toenails and some old coot that’s taking pills to do You Know What.

Right now, I’m just suprized old man McCain can still walk. Obama’s been shoving George W. Bush up his rear end every day for months now. I guess we’ll have to stick the election out for 10 or 11 more days.

Have a good day everybody.

By El Jefe

October 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Skeptic Tank,

I must disagree. Small minded folks might link Bush to all our woes, but folks with a Georgia education, know that Congress is the root of our worries.

It is Congress that refused to regulate Freddie and Fannie. If Franks and Dodd had done their jobs, we might not be here.

If Congress had any cojones, they could have cut spending, avoided this financial mess and helped business’ to expand.

Instead of doing anything, they have made a major mess of everything.

We are in an energy bind. Their response is to do nothing. No drilling and no expansion of nuclear energy.

In our fiscal matters, what did they do - a decade or two ago, they said, lets tell the lending institutions to expand low income home ownership. Lets make the banks give loans to folks that can’t afford them and then sell them to the US via Freddie and Fannie.

No, Congress is the responsible party, not a President or an administration - Congress. I bet Pelosi won’t agree.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I agree with Skeptic Tank, but I would like to add that the driving force for many of us Betrayed Republicans is RAGE at the neocons and the bush administration. Seeing that smiling little weasle, Traitor Joe Lieberswine, standing behind McCancerFace just reminds us of the neocon treason and betrayal…I want Joe stripped of all Committee roles in the new Democartic Senate, and relagated to the role as a junior senator from an out of power party….all of which is true, Traitor Joe is now an independent in his first term as an independent….and he is a neocon scum bag…..

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Who was the highest paid individual in Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign during the first half of October as it headed down the homestretch?

It was Amy Strozzi, who was identified by the Washington Post this week as Gov. Sarah Palin’s traveling makeup artist, according to a new filing with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday night.

The GOP is not just dying. It has tossed a rope over the rafters and slitting its own wrists as it kicks the chair away.

And weeee hay-ulped.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

Hey……By El Jefe

“I must disagree. Small minded folks might link Bush to all our woes, but folks with a Georgia education, know that Congress is the root of our worries.”

I think MOST American’s agree with you…….

Republican’s have had the Congress in 6 of 8 Bush years, and in the last 2 years, they have blocked quite a bit of legislation…..So George would not have to use his VETO POWERS !

So YES the REPUBLICAN held Congress has allot of Blame to shoulder as well !

WOW imagine the Mandate…………. if Georgia goes Democrat !

That will be a wake up call to the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN BASE !

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this

Calling Obama a socialist is simply a canard.

I hate to break it to you folks, but socialism in this country arrived long ago. It’s called social security; it’s a called a minimum wage; it’s called taxes (i.e. “wealth redistribution”, whether to pay for wars or social programs); it’s called (most recently) the bank bailout.

The idea that Obama is suddenly going to “spring” socialism upon us is wrongheaded & usually a red herring for something deeply more sinister.

It’s like calling all Republicans “fascist” just because they believe corporate america should be largely unregulated. It may sound good, but it’s just not true.

By Obama's Jewish Problem

October 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

From the latest Gallup poll.

Jewish voters nationwide have grown increasingly comfortable with voting for Barack Obama for president since the Illinois senator secured the Democratic nomination in June. They now favor Obama over John McCain by more than 3 to 1, 74% to 22%…

Another media myth scuttled.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Skeptic Tank 10:31

Some Americans say they want CHANGE but they would be blind to accept the CHANGE that Obama brings. No matter how you twist in the wind, Obama means HIGHER TAXES, DISGRACEFUL WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ, “FREE” HEALTHCARE (SOCIALIZED MEDICINE), CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES, SOCIALISTIC SUPREME COURT, DISARRAY IN DEFENSE and a man determined to rule by hook, crook or broken promises.

A Demoratic empowered Congress means all of the above plus Barney Power, Pelosi Power, Reid Power, Waxman Power, Boxer Power, Murtha Power, and about every crackpot that liberals can elect. Congressional approval would go from 12% to 2%.

Americans may THINK they want CHANGE until they find out what’s underneath all this BIG TALK. IT IS SOCIALISM AND IT AINT PRETTY!!

By Peter

October 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Thank you ……….

“By John

October 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

I will continue to tell you, “I told you so”.

This proud Republican will never stab my President in the back like the make believe ‘mavericks’ who have temporarily taken over our party. “

Thank you for the giving us the Resignation Speech !

I hope this becomes a wake up call to the Republican party in general…….. American’s need leadership from both sides of the isle !

One party is not going to save us !

By Jack

October 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Notice the REPUBLICAN DIRTY TRICKS are continuing. First the fake plumber, NOW FAKE ATTACK. Police say Ashley Todd is LYING and want her to take a polygraph. She changed her story several times/numerous inconsistencies. But the “MSM” ran with the bogus attack story. NOTICE, the white “TAWANA BRAWLEY” “carved” her own face BACKWARDS B in MIRROR. ATM camera does NOT SUPPORT her lies.Police DO NOT BELIEVE her story. She went to her friends house blocks away, although she claimed not to know the area. It was a busy area and NO ONE saw anything.DESPICABLE republican LIES every freaking election!!!She claimed to be beaten and kiced but had no marks.Police didn’t even take photos because there were no marks. She used makeup to take her own photo. She refused medical treatment. Yeah right…Attn who re and typical lying McCain supporter!!

By deegee

October 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this

And to those that say that Congress created the mess by encouraging home ownership for those that can’t afford homes, my question to you is, “how many of us really believed that we could afford our first home?” My first mortgage was an FHA approved loan that was part of a government program to encourage home buying. It came with a low down payment and lots of strings attached. I remember being nervous as hell about having a mortgage but I soon realized,as many first time home buyers do, that you can afford a little more than you thought you could.

What precipitated this mess is the decoupling of risk and reward. In the old days the bank retained the risk. When banks no longer had to worry about risk but could make big money on selling mortgages, that opens up the door for the corruption that we have witnessed.

By El Jefe

October 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Peter,

I doubt that working Americans want Pelosi and Reid raising their taxes.

Obama will raise your taxes. We all will pay more to the almighty Federal Government.

If Obama takes the cap off of FICA, anyone making over $90,000 will pay an extra 7% in taxes.

Rolling back the Bush tax cuts will increase taxes by at least 5% on most working folks, not to mention the marriage tax - if your married you pay more.

For the retiree’s Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax and the dividend taxes. Hey thanks for that Mr. Obama? I guess my 401K will be worthless sooner.

Finally, when is SNL going to have fun with Mrs. Obama?

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Insane Jane

It was Congress that stopped regulations that would have severely limited out-of-bounds and non-sensible mortgages. THIS CONGRESS IS LED BY DEMOCRATS. Barney Franks,(Democrat)Finance Committee blocked all measures to keep tabs on subprime mortgages.

Obama is not going to spring something on us. HE HAS TOLD US HOW HE WILL BRING SOCIALISM. Liberals call it CHANGE so people will not recognize what is going on.

I know what Obama is saying and I do NOT want socialism.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Once again, the Repukes are relying on Fear and Lying in the closing days of the campaign….Americans should really resent the insult to their intelligence that this fear mongering and lying indicates….but the sheep obeyed in 2000 and 2004, so the repukes believe their old tricks will work again in 2008….

By Peter

October 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Well………..By El Jefe

October 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Peter,

I doubt that working Americans want Pelosi and Reid raising their taxes.

Yes…I don’t want more taxes as well……..and I hope we do not have to pay more taxes…..

The one million dollar question is…… How do we trim the deficit and get folks working, and our housing market on track ?

I am not saying raising taxes will do any of this !

My thoughts are……..Spend tax dollars on fixing America’s infrastructure, and creating more light rail lines for folks to travel on, will help tremendously !

By Skeptic Tank

October 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it ironic that Dusty and her band of miserable conservative cohorts want to scare American citizens that OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST, just a couple of weeks after a Republican President and his administration has just foisted upon the American public THE GREATEST REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH EVER SEEN IN OUR NATION!!

Of course, Dusty has no problem with this, because the wealth was redistributed to the extremely wealthy…who were responsible for the mess in the first place…and not to the innocent middle class, which again was left to hold the bag.

The problem with Republicans is that they stand in the rubble of their own destruction, and not only blame others, but demand to remain in control. This time, regardless of the policy issues Republicans have with the Democrats, America will prefer to boot the responsible parties for a chance for change. Deal with it.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Dear Sane Jane @ 9:37, good question – “If you do not believe the Constitution is a “living, breathing document” and is the unchanging bedrock of our society… does that mean you do NOT support a Constitutional amendment that affirms “marriage” as a compact between one man and one woman?” And your logic skills are obviously well developed. Short answer, “yes.” (Strange sentence structure, where “yes” affirms the negative. Yes, I do NOT support a Constitutional amendment that affirms “marriage” as a compact between one man and one woman.”) I posted my note last week agreeing with Captain Queeg and disagreeing with Magna Sarah on the issue. Ron’s 9:56 is well-argued also. Our friend Elephant Whip unfortunately lacks your logic skills, so we will endeavor to explain it to her.

Marriage is, at most, strictly a state issue and there is no intelligent reason the Feds should be involved either way. I say “at most” because I believe it is also not truly a state issue, as women are now emancipated. The only theoretical reason for state regulation of marriage and divorce arose from various common law disabilities, such as the prohibition against women owning property in their own names. As we are more enlightened today than then (in some areas) the need for government regulation of marriage is substantially lessened. The only remaining basis for government interest is the otherwise unprotected “offspring of marriage.” “Offspring” does not touch any gay rights issue, so I also affirm government has no interest regulating the marriages of homosexuals.

Dear vlscpa @ 8:09, I’ll pile onto the posting by our friend BS Aplenty @ 9:55. I’m older than dirt, 6’0, 160 lbs. All I drink are diet co-colas (what is this “soda” stuff?), mostly diet Dr. Pepper, and a quart of diet iced tea every night. Artificial sweetener in my six cups of morning coffee. Just my token way of getting back at the sugar lobby, for inflicting quotas on us. Heck, I’d still use cyclamates if the government would let us.

Dear Dusty @ 10:25, I always say, if you cannot say “I agree” in 672 words or less, you ought to start over.

Dear deegee @ 10:29, at risk of frightening you, I totally agree with your argument. The fact that Congress is not reviewing its own culpability offends me as much as the BS they put on yesterday. “We’ve got to do something to protect our phony-baloney jobs.”

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Whiny a5s t|tty baby el jefe asks:

“Finally, when is SNL going to have fun with Mrs. Obama?”

Answer: About the same time they start having fun with Cindy McCain as a pill-popping socialite. Somehow the dimwitted jefe can’t distinguish between a candidate and a candidate’s spouse.

Imbecile.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

If Obama is as bad as the right says he will be, we’ll simply vote him out in 4 years.

Republicans have had 8 years at the helm. It’s time for the other team to have a turn at the stick for a while.

If Obama can wreak as much havoc on our country in 4 years that Bush has in 8, he’s going to be a very busy boy.

My conservative friends, just relax and play a bit of defense. Let the other team mess up for a while; it will probably breathe some new life into your party.

As it stands, your party is being reduced to only the most virulent, violent & bigoted. Conservative intellectuals are jumping ship right and left. What does that say?

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

DustBuster - It was Congress that stopped regulations that would have severely limited out-of-bounds and non-sensible mortgages. THIS CONGRESS IS LED BY DEMOCRATS.

Two statements that, independently, are true. However, it was the REPUBLICAN’T-led and -controlled Congress that STOPPED those regulations, so either AFEES or STFU.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

The same fools who believe the constitution is cut in stone also believe the bible is the literal word of god…nevermind all the rewrites, re translations, and huge numbers of documents left out, or later removed…..Men wrote both documents, and men can and do change both documents….git use to it, fools….

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dear Sane Jane, now that I answered your question, in a manner I hope you found agreeable, and on the basis of my logic and my beliefs, please forgive me for showing you the logic flaw in your question. The “unchanging bedrock” does not refer to the Amendment process – it refers to the “interpretation” of the document. The “living breathing” types think no Amendment is necessary, that the already confirmed words allow them to stretch the Constitution to do what they want it to do.

Scalia’s argument.:

the views of the American people on the death penalty (jbmlaw insert, the purported rationale for the leftist majority decision) for child rape were, to tell the truth, irrelevant to the majority’s decision in this case. The majority opinion, after an unpersuasive attempt to show that a consensus against the penalty existed, in the end came down to this: “[T]he Constitution contemplates that in the end our own judgment will be brought to bear on the question of the acceptability of the death penalty under the Eighth Amendment.” Ante, at ___ (slip op., at 24). Of course the Constitution contemplates no such thing; the proposed Eighth Amendment would have been laughed to scorn if it had read “no criminal penalty shall be imposed which the Supreme Court deems unacceptable.” But that is what the majority opinion said, and there is no reason to believe that absence of a national consensus would provoke second thoughts. While the new evidence of American opinion is ultimately irrelevant to the majority’s decision, let there be no doubt that it utterly destroys the majority’s claim to be discerning a national consensus and not just giving effect to the majority’s own preference. As noted in the letter from Members of Congress, the bill providing the death penalty for child rape passed the Senate 95–0; it passed the House 374–41, with the votes of a majority of each State’s delegation; and was signed by the President.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this

Well folks…….This is why American’s hate American’s because of Republican CRAP like this !!!!!

GOP Clerk Passes Around Obama ‘Black Hitler” Claim

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 24, 2008 Filed at 11:00 a.m. ET

FRANKLIN, Ind. (AP) — A Republican county clerk distributed to two employees an Internet blog posting referring to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a ”young, black Adolf Hitler.”

Johnson County Clerk Jill Jackson said Friday that she had apologized to the employees. One had complained to police.

The employees, who had voted for Obama in the Democratic primary, discovered the printouts at their desks after returning from Labor Day weekend, sheriff’s Deputy Doug Cox said in a police report made public this week. A surveillance video showed Jackson placing an item on one worker’s desk, he said.

Jackson told The Associated Press that she was merely passing along an item that already was circulating in the office.

”There was no motive, no intent,” she said. ”I never intended to offend anyone.”

The unsigned item does not mention Obama by name but refers to events in his life that make clear Obama is the target.

”The U.S. citizens are just not ready to give up their country to this young, black ‘Adolf Hitler’ with a smile, poor direction and absolutely no experience!” it said.

Doug Lechner, Republican Party county chairman, said the incident was unacceptable and taints Jackson’s ability to appear unbiased in administering this year’s election.

Indiana is a swing state in this presidential election, its 11 electoral votes seen as important to Obama and to his Republican rival, John McCain. Johnson County is heavily Republican

Typical stupid Republican stuff !

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Dear Sane Jane @ 11:24, but for the present majority of leftists on the court, and the damage a leftist court appointment can do for generations (e.g., John Paul Stevens) your argument would be valid. It is not.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Repubs R Crooks,@11:17

You are a fine one to mention “fear and lying”. YOU, a 59 year old adolescent prurient producer of comments wants to tell us how to be brave and honest.

What next? How to be Mr. Klean with the dirty ol’ man of blogging bluff, Mr. R. R. Crooks?

Clean up your own sheep pen, Crooks. Neither Republicans nor anybody else needs you or your crooked cockalorum comments.

By Sara

October 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Kudos to Big Oil, Little Oil and the corner gas station. Most have been as quick to mark gas prices down as they were to mark them up. Even before the Angry Left could fix the problem by perp-walking a few oil executives around in orange jump-suits and chains, the marketplace has worked.

Oil prices dropped because the global economy is in the toilet. If this is how the “marketplace works,” well then thanks but no thanks Jim.

Even Greenspan had to admit that free market economic policies brought about this crisis - not Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac double-handedly bringing it down, but deregulation and the unwavering belief in free-market capitalism.

And BTW, Eli God is a socialist and Christ was most explicit about his thoughts on the rich hording their wealth while others around them had no place to live or food to eat. Try getting a real education about how life works, the interdependence of all citizens in this nation, and the reality of what most middle-income families bring home versus what they must pay out before you start spewing the welfare party line. And before you start telling the “lower class” to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get better jobs, you might want to figure out who then will flip your burgers, stock your Wal-Mart shelves, or answer the phones at the doctor’s office - because those are traditionally low-paying jobs that somebody has to do. Like I said - education….get one.

Trickle-down economics have now been solidly proven as a failure - the only jobs it creates are in India, and Central and South America, assuming the extra money even gets past the CEO’s compensation agreement. Bottom line is, unless people in America are put back to work and the middle class gets economically healthy, this country is doomed to failure. It won’t matter what the tax rate is on income over $250,000 because there won’t be revenue for mom and pop anyway.

People get your heads out of the politician’s rears and start thinking. This is no time for partisan ignorance from either side. It’s time Americans lived up to their promised potential and show they care more about the good of the majority (at home and abroad) then their own pocketbooks or “just winning.”

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Some of the more ignorant and gullible reduce the financial “crisis”/bailout blame to one single entity.

In the case of that 11:14 - Congress and even more inanely to one person - Cong. Franks.

Childishly simple-minded.

And some even continue to contend that this problem was/is not systemic. A few bad apples. Yeah, sure.

Here are the parties involved, with blame/credit (get it?) to be shared by ALL:

First, the corporate boards of directors looked the other way.

Then the corporate law firms did.

Then the giant accounting firms did.

Next, the rating agencies, like Standard & Poors and Moodys, who are supposed to ACTUALLY perform proper financial research and analysis on these commercial entities were PAID to look the other way.

Then the investment banks did.

Then the state regulatory agencies did.

Then the federal regulatory agencies did.

And finally Congress did.

ALL WERE PAID TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

And now Bush/Obama/McCain/Pelosi/Paulson/Chambliss ad nauseum have bailed them out, with OUR money.

Congrats.

You voted for them and most of you will likely vote for them again if you can…

Nader/Gonzalez 08

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Skeptic Tank, 11:20

The President suggests but CONGRESS PASSED THE BIGGEST DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH IN HISTORY. CONGRESS IS CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS. CONGRESS PASSED THE BILL, NOT PRESIDENT BUSH WHOM YOU ARE TRYING TO BLAME.

SubPrime loans were created to help those not fortunate enough to buy their own home. Any regulations to keep these mortgages from going out of control were blocked by a Democratic (led) Congress under the the leadership of Barney Frank.

Keep blaming Bush. He is trying to offset the mess that Congress made. You’ve been blaming him for everything for eight years, THE YEARS AFTER YOU LOST ELECTIONS LEGALLY. Get over it!

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

Thanks jbmlaw. I have no doubt that your ConLaw skillz surpass mine & do appreciate your distinction between interpreting the Constitution and the amendment process. That’s a valid point.

Dusty, why call me Insane Jane? I’m not sure how namecalling and other invective help the conversation here.

Same goes for our lefty friends who use “Rethug” and other such terms incessantly. Give it a rest, will ya? I’d like to have an exchange of ideas here, not epithets.

Cheers.

By Captain Freedom

October 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

A Captain Kudo to Ragnar the Shyster, who has ably explained the Inerrancy Doctrine in re the US Constitution. As with Our insistence that every Word in the Bible is pure, divinely inspired, and hence not open to arguments of reason or contrary phenomenal evidence, so too is the Constitution as enshrined by Our White Christian Male Forefathers not to be befouled by changing standards of human behavior, morality, or material circumstance.

The Framers’ intent was clear on so many issues, and We as a Nation ignore these God-inspired prescriptions at Our Peril. For Ours is a vengeful God, and THE Captain suspects that the recent economic downturn is a direct warning from God himself to ban gays, put abortion-tolerant people in jail, and quit meddling with the original intent of the US Constitution.

Perhaps the greatest violation of original intent was the wrongheaded elimination of slavery, which was perpetrated by the RINO-iest of all RINOs, Abraham Lincoln. For had not God intended Slavery to be a permanent and natural state of affairs, why would he have used the instruments of his will to codify this Holy Institution in the first place?

(why would God have?, that is…the capitalized 3rd person pronouns are reserved to refer to THE Captain, naturally. god told Him it was The Way to do things, but boy, THE Captain finds it burdensome in extremis to adhere to this Godly writ re writing, but it is His cross to bear)

Further, had Lincoln not meddled with the established state of affairs, this whole Obamandingo unpleasantness would never have inconvenienced St John of Hanoi and his Sarah Plain, who are fast establishing themselves as the William Henry Harrison-John Tyler of modern America. Except for the side of the landslide they will be on. Other than that, exactly the same.

He is THE Captain and He approves this message.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Hey ………. By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

DustBuster - It was Congress that stopped regulations that would have severely limited out-of-bounds and non-sensible mortgages. THIS CONGRESS IS LED BY DEMOCRATS.

Partially correct…….. for the first 6 years of the Bush Administration, when the problems were coming about Republicans were in CONTROL.

The last 2 years all they did was stop legislation, so Bush would not have to Veto a bunch of stuff…..Plus the control as you say was only a few votes, not enough to make any sweeping changes !

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

I had an idea once, but it died of loneliness.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Dear Sane Jane @ 11:48, one need not be a Constitutional lawyer to hold impressive logic skills. You’ve got it.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this

Dear Sarah,

I believe that Christ was talking to individuals about spiritual growth. Each person is responsible for personal faith. He told the rich young ruler to give away his riches. He didn’t say the government should do it.

Rich people are some of the greatest givers in this world. Look at Gates and his foundation that reaches around the world. There are many others including Cindy McCain who has outreach to blighted people around the world. Do you think more poor people will be helped by “taking from the rich and giving to the Poor”? Soon there would be NO rich people to give to anybody, only governmental doles.

Government should not be the givers. They should be the justice. Our Constitution says so and does not make “government” into “religion”. Each individual is responsible for faith, hope and charity.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Present majority of leftists on the court? You mean the SCOTUS? Or appellate courts?

Because, umm, I’m pretty sure the SCOTUS is already right-leaning, don’t you think? CJ Roberts/Alito/Thomas/Scalia make up a far more solid righty core than any cobbled-together left coalition you can think of. And with only lefties coming off the bench over the next few years, I would say you’d need to appoint leftists just to keep some semblance of balance on the court.

Don’t we like divided jurists (just like we like divided government?)

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Errr libs, @11:58

I can post for myself, thank you.

Sane Jane,@11:48

I ‘m sorry but I think it is insame (in a lighter sense in your case) to believe that Obama is the answer to American leadership at this time. To overlook his inexperience, his shadowy past, his out-of-line friends, his almost nonvoting record and his feeble efforts to be an “all American”….well…it does not seem sensible to me. The opposite of sensible is …foolish, insane, imprudent, lacking, delinquent, ..take your pick. I picked “insane”. You are voting for Obama, are you not??

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

sane jane,

Let’s not forget that seven of the nine Supreme Court Justices were appointed by whom?

Yep. Republican presidents…

Many right and left wing partisans would like it to be nine of nine, all in the name of eliminating “activist judges”, which is just a relatively nonsensical term that means that a judge has simply made an important decision that the accusing speaker disagrees with.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty….the Majority of American’s are voting for Obama…….

I guess you believe the MAJORITY of American’s are insane ?

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

PS, thanks for helping to keep this conversation civil.

I tend to learn a lot more when we’re exchanging ideas and not lobbing grenades at one another…

And to be fair, Dusty’s right. Jesus advocated for personal generosity. The only thing I remember him saying about taxes & the state was something about rendering what was Ceasars unto Ceasar…

(DEFINITELY a socialist! Maybe even a communist!)

By Skeptic Tank

October 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Do you want a roll call of Republicans, including President Bush and Senator John McCain, who voted for the largest socialist bill in our nation’s history?

Do you want to pretend that only Democrats were responsible?

I know that everyone here thinks you have a screw loose. Here’s your chance to prove that something as obvious as the facts actually color your decisions.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Link to this

Its 58, you forgetful hag, 58 not 59….now do the world a favor and STFU…

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this

Dear El Jefe @ various times, pretty solid arguments today, good work.

Dear Dusty. I just re-read my 11:22, and realize it may be subject to hurtful misinterpretation. Your efficient 10:25 post was not long-winded, but my 8:05 was longer than Jim’s subject offerings.

Dear Sane Jane @ 12:06, “I’m pretty sure the SCOTUS is already right-leaning, don’t you think?” Oh no, I disagree. While you correctly cite the four “bedrock” jurists, the current holder of the Bork seat was the author of the bizarre Kennedy v Louisiana opinion that so-provoked Justice Scalia. Justice Kennedy is more like the other four, in that he is clearly a “living breathing” type.

Beyond Kennedy v Louisiana, the two other most significant cases of the past two years – Kelo and Boumediene – were clearly hard leftist decisions, abolishing sound precedents. No, the last thing we need are more leftists on the Supreme Court. I know leftists want them on the court, for “living breathing” reasons, as the leftists lack the courage to do legislatively what they desire the court to impose by adjudication. Leftist decisions are always hated by the thinking majority, and if the Congress had to pass the laws that the leftist Supreme Court imposes through suspect jurisprudence, there would be no leftists re-elected to Congress, ever. I think I would wish to see an 8:1 ratio between bedrocks and breathers.

By Shrugging Atlas

October 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Just another example of the hypocrisy of John McSame.

John McCain, who has harshly criticized the idea of sitting down with dictators without pre-conditions, appears to have done just that. In 1985, McCain traveled to Chile for a friendly meeting with Chile’s military ruler, General Augusto Pinochet, one of the world’s most notorious violators of human rights credited with killing more than 3,000 civilians and jailing tens of thousands of others.

The private meeting between McCain and dictator Pinochet has gone previously un-reported anywhere.

According to a declassified U.S. Embassy cable about the meeting secured, McCain described the meeting with Pinochet “as friendly and at times warm, but noted that Pinochet does seem obsessed with the threat of communism.” McCain, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, made no public or private statements critical of the dictatorship, nor did he meet with members of the democratic opposition, as far as could be determined from a thorough check of U.S. and Chilean newspaper records and interviews with top opposition leaders.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this

Sorry to disappoint you, Dusty, but I usually “throw my vote away” on hopeless 3rd party candidates. I see enough flaws in both the Red team and the Blue team to want to align with neither.

By Shrugging Atlas

October 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

Ragnar, I only bring it up because you mention him in your earlier post, and I have seen you use him as an example of judges who should be on the bench. I was wondering if you knew the outcome of the 2007 case he frivolously filed against the Yale Club, and if you thought that he was being a hypocrite? Just wondering.

“Claiming the Yale Club of New York City “wantonly, willfully, and recklessly” failed to provide easy to climb staging, conservative uber-activist Judge Robert Bork is suing the club for $1,000,000 in compensatory damages, plus punitive damages from a fall Bork sustained while mounting the dais at the club for a scheduled speech. Bork, an infamous tort reform advocate, hasn’t always been such a fan of suing for punitive damages, at least when other people do it.”

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, what’s your take on the P. Noonan / G. Will / C. Buckley / K. Parker / C. Powell (et. al.) crew that seems to be abandoning the current GOP en masse?

That’s a pretty high-minded group that’s bailing out, don’t you think? Surely they can’t all be traitors.

I know they’re not going to reappear as libs, but what does this mean for the Republican party?

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

Dear Skeptic Tank,

There are Republicans in Congress. No doubt about that. The majority is DEMOCRATS. Most of Congress voted for rescue as the ship was sinking. Previous blocking actions on mortgages were done by Democrats.

As to your suggestion that I am a loose screw among uptight liberals here, what a fine compliment! Thank you for your accurate observation.

Sane Jane,

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars? Caesar was a Roman dictator. Are dictators socialistic or communistic? Neither??

Repubs R Crooks,

You are aging fast from deterioration. I think it is 59, reprobate!!

Peter,

A majority of Americans will not even bother to vote. Let us hope the majority of VOTERS have the good sense to vote for a strong and experienced man, not a shadowy neophyte. McCAIN/PALIN 2008

Ragnar,

You are a light house of accurate information here. Love those legal eagles who know what they are talking about. That’s you, my friend. (I had a beach vacation and still like lighthouse references. Forgive!)

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Dear Shrugger @ 1:00, I think the balk rule should be abolished from baseball. That I ask umpires to enforce it when we play does not make me a hypocrite. Accepting the rules as written does not mean we have to like the rules as written. To apply this logic to your assertions about Robert Bork, he undoubtedly would not have expanded grounds for plaintiff attorneys through his interpretation of laws – he was anything other than a “living, breathing” jurist. However, his “original intent” jurisprudence would also prohibit him from abolishing any cause of action that existed at the time of ratification of the Constitution. Whereas you have trouble differentiating judicial legislative efforts from interpretive rulings, “bedrocks” do not. (I do not intentionally gloss over the very real differences between “original meaning” and “original intent” – I prefer the former as less likely to do damage to our system.)

Dear Sane Jane @ 1:05, it is extraordinarily bad form to answer a question with a question, so please forgive me, but before I address your query – and I will do so referring to the Charles Krauthammer essay online today – how do you interpret my pet name for the Republican presidential nominee?

By Algonquin J. Calhoun

October 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Obama leads in Georgia and he’s going to win here! Y’all likin that? i sure am!

By Peter

October 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

John McCain is the guy American’s are thinking is very much “like Bush”.

Most likely to start a war…….. not having anything to do with Reality, but about it being…….. personal !

Irrational behavior, plus Irrational decisions…… Sarah Palin for example…….

American’s hope we will WORK with our “soon to be happier Allies”, around the world…..then just watch us “Cowboy”………..OR…….. “Maverick” into another country as Bush did.

Bush did that without solving the original problem, which is now biting us in the Butt in Afghanistan, and Pakistan..after 911.

Our Generals have told us Al Qaeda is stronger than ever…… and sending more troops to Afghanistan is essential to win that war……….WE need to squash anything having to do with Bin Laden.

I am Sorry…….. Bush allowed him to be enrolled into his “Terrorist Protection Program”…..

Had Bush gotten Bin Laden……

I would say Republican’s are for a “SAFE AMERICA”…………BUT who can FORGET Bush’s idea about American Ports …

You guys remember allowing foreign companies to perhaps Control our ports……..???? Special !

Since Bin Laden was given the “Free PASS” by Bush…..I would have to say Talk is CHEAP.

To think NOW ? McCain, and the Republican’s …….. “Know where he is, and are going to get him”…..Pretty funny stuff .

Please tell……………. where is all the exciting fire power the Republican’s like to PLAY with, when it comes to Bin Laden?

The Wrongs are also funny on the Congress thing………..

Really isthe sides are about 50 / 50 ………with two guys…….one being Bendick Arnold from Connecticut…….and the other an independent from New Hampshire I believe voting…….. with…. and finally the VP voting…..To break any ties….?

What we do know is…….

That idea got Sarah Palin excited about being ….”The Queen of Congress”…. that would be her new title……so cute !

Fit’s in perfect for Halloween !

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Here’s where things stand—not in Jim Wooten’s child like make-believe mind but based in reality on the ground.

MCCain has been removed from life support and so will Chambliss be soon. The GOP has formed a circular firing squadd. Matt Towery has been sitting Shiva for them on his site for weeks now.

And from Tina Fey on the beyond CPR McPalin candidacy:

*”I like to think I’m one part practiced folksy , one part sassy and a little dash of high school b***.”

Bush [Will Ferrell]replies:

For a little while I was trying to be folksy but after a bit, it just came off douchey.”*

Obama needs to loan money to the DSCC so that the 60 fillibuster proof majority can happen.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/ga/08-ga-sen-ge-cvm.php

Chambliss 46.1 Martin 44.2

Chambliss will be eclipsed by Nov. 4 and Obama is clearly winning Georgia right now. The 3 Judge Order released late this afternoon or Mon/Tue will be a rebuke to Handel and the Georgia AG Dennis Dunn, and will not cost Obama any votes or more importantly be allowed to disenfranchise thousands of newly registered voters which was always the intention of Handel, Wooten, Craig Schwall, Dick Williams, Von Bremman, Eric Johnson and a cast of patrician/superficially educated others at least in their own minds.

Lunsford is overtaking the hideous McConnell in Kentucky right now according to a much better paper than this one, The Courier Journal and the polls at Pollster.

Elizabeth Dole will be removed and Franken is taking out Norm Coleman very effectively and long overdue.

Franken will make an excellent Senator and before the wingnuts begin clucking remember that your Saint and actually one of the most ineffective Presidents, Raegan covorted with Bonzo for a good bit of time.

William Weld and Scott McClelland are now supporting that terrrrissss Obama who could burn down Dunwoody at any moment.

Obama up 7 in Florida and older Jewish voters are now supporting him in droves, telling the moronic Leiberman to go stuff it.

Mr. Wooten’s knowledge of court matters or the law is regrettably narrow and superficial.

The newspaper that carries Mr. Wooten even though 95% of his articles contain sweeping generalizations with no research or factual basis offered for them, and whose political predictions are nearly 100% wrong, wrote a review of the inadequacy and racial bias of the Georgia Supreme Court death penalty reviews. He should read it. I’m assuming they provide him a free paper with his 6 figure salary.

According to tha AJC which is a paper Mr. Wooten can obtain if he’s resourceful:

*The Atlanta Journal-Constitution documented the same problem with the state Supreme Court’s review a year ago. Walker’s lawyers cited the AJC’s investigation in their appeal to the high court.

The newspaper found that the state Supreme Court’s review typically compares death cases only with other death cases, not similar cases in which a life sentence was imposed. The AJC also found that, since 1982, 19 percent of the death cases cited by the court to justify other death sentences had already been thrown out on appeal.*

The on-point word for Mr. Wooten is similar and that’s the basis of Stevens’ criticism. Therei is no comparison between Thomas, who could not get a job in almost any major law firm in the U.S., and Stevens.

Thomas was refused employment in Atlanta and every other city in private practice, not on the basis of race, but on the basis of his lack of competence. Thomas has never asked a question in 17 years of oral argument because he is too damn dumb. He knows the second he opens his mouth he will make a fool of himself.

His response to Stevens was characteristically, like Wooten’s comments and columns devoid of supporting facts. He ignored the reason for Stevens’ criticism was that the Ga. Supreme Court does not review death penalty cases by considering other similar cases based on the facts, the law, and supporting authority as to case law.

In several instances recently, the lazy law clerks at the Georgia Supreme Court have missed on point controlling autho0rity or they have misapplied it in an embarassiong fashion that reflects poorly on them and their law schools.

Stevens has far and away the most extensive litigation experience in and out of a courtroom when compared with any justice in the history of the Supreme Court and the current other eight, doing major antitrust work for nearly 25years.

Gingsberg has extensive litigation experience having been one of the chief litigators for ACLU nationally for years before she went to Yale Law School.

Thomas, Scalia, Breyer, Souter have had next to no litigation experience.

Kennedy had 14 years 2 in a firm before he took over his dad’s practice and then became a constitutional law professor at U Pacific McGeorge School of Law.

Roberts has extensive federal appellate experience, but no significant trial work whatsoever.

Allito has served as an AUSA after clerking for one of the most decent federal appellate judges to sit on the bench, Leonard Garth in the Third Circuit, and worked at DOJ under Ed Meese. His roll has always been as a prosecutor, and it is a rare case when the defense bar gets a fair shake from Justice Alito and his law clerks.

Fortunately, President Obama is going to counterbalance this hideously composed Court during the next eight years.

Beating Palin is much like her killing defenseless animals like wolves and moose with a shotgun from a plane. She is also killing McCain’s campaign which he is doing admirably with his stupid written for him by Rick Davis comments that change every few minutes anyway.

Wooten’s characterization of Palin as a possible President is sheer bufoonery. She’s having her 15 minutes fortunately breaking law after law (she’s throwing her first dude under the bus in a deposition in Alaska at this very moment too stupid to know she has already been found in violation of the law).

There are enough smart Republicans never to make the mistake of putting Palin anywhere near federal office for the remainder of her life. Within 6 blocks of Wooten’s office there are hundreds of Republican women who are infinitely more capable of discussing foreign and domestic policy and serving as President than Palin. Again the Chick Fil-A test: I can pull students working in Chick Fil-A on the weekend within a few miles of Mr. Wooten’s Dunwoody home, and they would clean Palin’s ignorant clock.

She can run her mouth, but everything out of it is so consummately stupid that every second she runs it, she helps Obama win another state.

An example was her comment the other day dsiplaying total ignorance of the Constitutional purvue of a VP with respect to the Senate. The moron said:

“They’re in charge of the US Senate so if they want to they can get in there and they can make policy for the US Senate.”

She refused in her latest interview to ID abortion bombers as terrorists, or to answer the question while robotically returning to Ayres much like Wooten.

No, Albatrosscuda, they can’t “get in there and make policy for the US Senate”—a place where the moron Palin will never be unless she goes as a visitor confined to the visitor’s gallery.

Biden will be able to liason with the Senate very effectively, and fortunately many Republican Senators will be cleaning out their desks around Christmas 2008.

I find it simply amazing that Wooten is so nuts he thinks that Palin 2012 is a viable concept. She’s not going to run, and Obama would cream her clock. She’s already made the Republican party look crazy, and most Republicans with a brain are highly critical of her moronic nomination by the erratic and unstable McCain, particularly in the light of the medical history he refuses to release unlike all other candidates for President in US history.

Palin’s clothes and many other purchases that turn out not to have been for Palin but for the children of RNC staffers, are now the subject of a complaint by CREW with the FEC.

FECA specifically prohibits a candidate for federal office from converting campaign funds to personal use.

FEC regulations make clear that the prohibition applies to clothing purchases, such as those made for the Palin family.The RNC implicitly admitted that the clothing was purchased with campaign funds by stating that it will be donated to charity after the campaign. The RNC also relies on this prospective contribution to explain why the personal use prohibition is not applicable as FEC regulations provide that donations by candidates to charitable organizations are not for personal use. It does not appear, however, that this exception would apply to the clothing worn by Palin’s family, even it does apply to her own.

$150,000 could fund three Alaska teachers’ yearly salaries; library books for the Juneau, Alaska School district for nearly two years; health care premiums for 31 working Americans or 12 families; flu vaccinations for just over 6000 people, or pay the heating bills for 131 low-income households this winter.

And you can put all the Blahnicks and poorly chosen designer clothes on moron you like—she’s still spewing a cascade of ugly and primitively conceived lies that are putting her and McPalin on the career path to nowhere.

Apparently Wooten and his homies think the answer to the pending Depression is a $790 Louis Vuitton handbag like the one 7-year old Piper Palin is sporting that was purchased illegally for her.

By getalife

October 24, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

“Interviewer: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Needless to say, the wingnuts, those few mentioning it so far, are not at all happy.”

There goes the base.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

I only know that Queeg is a reference to The Caine Mutiny, but having never seen the film nor read Wouk, I don’t really grasp what it means. If Wikipedia is to be believed (“a good site for bad information”), the Cap went crazy over some strawberries. Or something like that.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

Oh goody. The stock market is only down 381 points today. Things are turning around now that everyone knows that McCain and Palin are going to WIN WIN WIN.

That ought to put the liberal nay sayers in their place. Hooray America!!

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

Chad,

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state finds GOP incumbent Saxby Chambliss leading Democratic challenger Jim Martin by just 47% to 45%.

Five weeks ago it was 17 points. And Martin outraised Chambliss in the third quarter.

BTW, did anyone see that Saxby had that charismatic patriot Ollie North come and stump for him last week?

You remember Oliver, the guy who was convicted for a felony but got off on a technicality because he’d received a grant of immunity before testifying on the matter. (He sold weapons to Iran and used the proceeds to arm Nicaraguan “Contra” rebels. He admitted to lying to Congress and was convicted of violating a ban on funding the Contras.) Seems like this problematic, quasi-criminal neo-con and partisan hack isn’t who Blood & Guts needs to associate himself with right now.

Notwithstanding that he is a media darling of the right wing talk circuit

Maybe it’s just me, but it sure looks like Suxtobe’s vote to bailout the corporate criminals with OUR money is really, really hurting him.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

From The New Republic:

Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.

This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision “is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis.”

Fried must be black.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

I want all Republicans voted out of office in Georgia, forever….Send that double talking crook, Sackby, to Alambama, where they appreciate crooks….

By No vote for president this year

October 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty, et al: We are on opposite side of the aisle, but trust me, pease, I am as sick RRCrooks bleatings as anyone. Dude, give it a rest!

Jane, Ragnar: I know it’s late in the conversation, but let’s for a moment think Sen McCain actually wins. Do you really think there is any way he could get a Roberts or Scalia past an overwhelmingly Democratic Senate?

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this

People would want to be in America because even when they are pure bred morons, they can see other countries from it and become foreign policy experts.

It’s the land of unlimited opportunity.

You can be a full blown moron and run for Vice President even when you are sinking your ticket and hate your running mate and he hates you.

See NYT magazine:The Making and Remaking of John McCain http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26mccain-t.html?ref=magazine

If Jim Wooten can see the Phillips Arena from his window at AJC he can dunk and dribble behind his back faster than any Dunwoody HS player.

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this

Former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts is the latest Republican to cross over and support Democrat Barack Obama for president.

Weld held a press conference in Salem, N.H. to announce his endorsement. Weld told the Associated Press that while he has never endorsed a Democrat for president before, his choice in recent weeks became “close to a no-brainer.”

Just another darkie endorsing Obama cause he’s black, no doubt.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Evita Palin and Juan McCain have no chance of winning, everyone knows they are both crooks, and stupid crooks at that…..Evita stole money from everyone in Argentina to fund her wardrobe….too bad most of you are too stupid to know that…..Fortunately, a God like being, somewhat similar to moi, ordered up a dose of cancer for the thieving hag….here is one for you Dirty Ball….Catch….

By Sara

October 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Dusty There is no question there are wealthier people who do good things with their money. I’m an accountant, I do taxes, I know exactly how many people with far less wealth that Gates or Buffet give and give. We have clients that gives tens of thousands, some more than a hundred thousand.

My take is, the government isn’t asking the wealthy to give everything they have. That’s blowing things way out of proportion. However, individual donations do not always go to where they are most needed.

The federal government exists for multiple purposes but one is as a clearinghouse to fund those things of which all people partake and/or which effect the population at large. If a segment of the population is suffering (and it is a segment that is growing every day), we all have a moral and ethical obligation to help in whatever ways we can (not to mention a practical one - society is driven by middle-class consumerism and when they can’t spend money, nobody is going to make any money). If that means the wealthy need to give a little more right now to bolster the middle class until the economy recovers and rights itself, then so be it. However I find it ridiculous that some people decry the idea of “spreading the wealth” as this horrible socialist concept because “they worked hard for it.” And spew socialism like it might as well be a four-letter word when even God himself undisputably leans in that direction. It may not be an approach one finds practical or successful, but it is certainly not vile or evil. Now, while one may have worked hard for their money, you can’t take it with you and does John McCain really need 7 houses or does Obama need $1,500 suits (see - equal opportunity basher) when some people cannot afford one place to live or any clothes to wear?

What drives this for me really is that the complaint originates primarily from a party that prides itself on its Christian-ness and family values…which apparently it likes to give lip-service to on Sundays and then forget about Monday through Saturday. While they do not corner the market on the issue as it were, hypocrisy from the Republican party has reached all-time highs (or lows depending on one’s point of view). That isn’t about an us vs. them thing…I’ve voted Republican before on multiple occasions. But the depths to which the party has sunk sickens me - it’s bad for the nation as a whole, not to mention the world really. Personally, I think if McCain and Palin are so gung-ho to do some mavericky reformin’ they should start at home with their own party. We’d all be better off for it. (Notwithstanding the Dems certainly have their issues, not the least of which is they need to grow a pair but this is beginning to digress a bit too far.)

The US was designed to be a mix between capitalism and socialism in the hope that mixing the strengths of the two would overcome the weaknesses of each. The problem is the far-right wants straight capitalism (until it blows up in their face) and the far-left wants socialism (until it blows up in their face). And as common sense, logic, and centrist thinking has gone by the way-side (thank you Jerry Springer electorate who lives in ignorance of the nuances of the issues and thrives on the “gotcha journalism”), the whole country has gotten screwed.

No candidate wants to tell the public the truth the public doesn’t want to hear, but at this point everyone is going to have to make sacrifices to fix this. However, that would work a lot better if everyone quit clutching to their party ideology and also thought about more than just their own wallets (as in, the wealthy need to cough some up but the poor need to realize they don’t get it all either).

And if you managed to wade all the way through that, congratulations - here’s a cyber cookie.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Hey, I am wealth, but I never, ever do good things with my money….never have, never will…..let em eat cake, and if they rebell, give them a taste of grape…..

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Ok, I just read today’s Krauthammer piece. I admire his loyalty to his party, but with only a few cosmetic changes this could easily be a piece for why not-so-enthusiastic voters should select Obama.

(they’ve both run negative campaigns, their pres bids are both deeply flawed, their Veeps have both been liabilities at times, etc)

As for who I want answering the phone at 3 a.m., it’s NOT a 72 year old who takes Ambien. If for no other reason than that it would be too easy for Palin to ascend to the top slot due to Queeg being incapacitated.

Now THAT will keep a person up at night.

I’m sorry, but she’s really a disaster.

Biden’s no golden boy, but she can’t even fake it properly.

By FOX News declares the McCain campaign dead

October 24, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Wingnuts everywhere have been up in arms over the savage Negro who beat up an innocent white woman who volunteers for the McCain campaign.

Faux News yesterday:

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

Faux News today: Police sources tell KDKA that a campaign worker has now confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her and cut the letter “B” in her face after seeing her McCain bumper sticker […]

Investigators did say that they received photos from the ATM machine and “the photographs were verified as not being the victim making the transaction.”

This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story.

Guess that’s it then. We thought it would be either the attention whh0rre Palin that would undo McCain, or maybe the wantwit in the Oval Office. Turns out it was a wantwit attention whh0rre from Texas. Well, close enough for gummit work.

By Big E

October 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Evil, I’d like to know why CNN showed white racist nazi skinheads on their main webpage for having rifles in the back of their car near the DNC convention [and trying to tie them to republicans], yet this scumbucket’s attack on a McCain supporter is not even given the time of day when he even said to the victim why he was attacking her. Yes, no media bias whatsoever. One has to wonder why gun and ammunition sales are skyrocketing as are concealed weapons permits. Then again, perhaps not. Which group of political supporters are doing all the property and personal attacks out there again? Let me guess what the moonbat liberal dimocrats will say here: the savage perp was paid by McCain people!. Savages.

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McCain supporter robbed, assaulted By Jill King Greenwood TRIBUNE-REVIEW Thursday, October 23, 2008

A knife-wielding man robbed a McCain-Palin campaign volunteer and etched a “B” into her face after he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the woman’s car, Pittsburgh police said.

Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, was using an ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street in Bloomfield just before 9 p.m. Wednesday when a man approached her, put a knife to her throat and demanded $60, police said.

Todd handed the man $60 she had in her pocket and stepped away from him, investigators said. The man then noticed the bumper sticker on the woman’s car, which was parked in front of the ATM. The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain and punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said.

“He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain,” said police Chief Nate Harper.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Dear Sane Jane @ 1:51, good enough. I am a libertarian-conservative. That means I normally find myself supporting the slightly-better of the two major parties. Democrats are the party of BIG GOVERNMENT and Republicans are the party of big government. When I refer to the empty suit who is nominee of the democrats, Chauncey Gardener, I do not honor him by comparing him to the lead character of Being There. Similarly my dear friend Dusty is hurt when I refer to Captain Queeg, the pathetic focus of the outstanding movie. (I urge you to put it on your netflix list - you will never look at Fred McMurray the same way.) I voted for Sen. McCain for many of the same reasons listed by Mr. Krauthammer, but even more so for the arguments you and I have explored in other posts today.

Your query indirectly seeks my political philosophy – I am not a very good team player. I am an unapologetic apologist for open immigration. I support elimination of any law that does not have the death penalty as the only punishment. I write often that government is competent for only three tasks: (1) killing people, (2) stealing freedom, and (3) stealing wealth. I rarely find any problem in society not aggravated by government action, and usually causation points to Washington.

But to answer your question, I adore Peggy Noonan, whose life mission is to keep the Reagan flame burning. She is likely to never again vote for anyone who is not Reagan. She is correct that McCain is no Reagan. She is almost as crazy as I am.

I thought “Thank You for Smoking” was excellent, a clever well-written work. Christopher has to work in Hollywood. He fears the blacklist. A spine of spaghetti.

I have written often of my contempt for Gen Powell, mostly due to his cover-up of the Plame affair. The latest endorsement was totally in character.

I care little, either way, about Will or Parker. My heroes are Tom Sowell and Walter Williams. I joined Chairman Ann’s http://www.getdrunkandvote4mccain.com.

Dear novote @ 2:02, a “Bork” vote would change Congress to republican control in 2010.

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

It looks like Sheriff Taylor and Little Opie Cunningham are shiftless ni&&ers, too.

Wow. McCain lost Matlock and Mayberry to the dark forces of Obama. You know that’s gonna leave a mark.

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Very well said Sara. You’re in a great position to understand the reality vs.the ridiculous McCain tax rhetoric. We’ve been spreading the wealth since the Constitution and since the 16th Amendment in 1913 overruled Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co.

Under the thugs and House Banking Chairman Phil Graham Mr. Subprime Crisis himself, the wealth hasn’t been spread equitably in the most remote sense of the words.

By dirty harry

October 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

The scam is over folks..Police tell KDKA that a McCain campaign volunteer has now confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her and cut the letter B in her face after seeing her McCain bumper sticker.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/24/mugging-hoax/

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

I’m changing my name to “Sane Sara”. That was an awesome post at 2:08. Makes me want to stand up and cheer!

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Little e - You might want to find out the facts before your tiny knee starts jerking

Whoops. Wingnuts can’t even fake their stuff effectively.

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Big E proves himself not only gullible, but late to the party. Even the munatic Malkin knew better than to buy that bucket o’bull5hit. This dumpy moron was just another pathetic loser looking for attention. (kind of like Crusty) So, it is easy to see why she captured Big E’s empathy.

I know we can’t expect you to be right about anything, E, but damn, dude, try to at least be timely.

*Matlooooooooooooooock! Noooooooooo!

By Craig's list of liberal insanity

October 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

FOX News declares the McCain campaign dead

Yeah, and FoxNews said the Florida polls were closed in 2000, too, you left wing Chihuahua anal gland squeeze. Polls had Kerry up over Bush in 2004 by 9 points just 10 days out.

Question to the dumb-mASSes on the modern moveon.puke liberal left dumocrats: exactly what part of REPUBLICANS ALWAYS VOTING REPUBLICAN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If Obama were a conservative and had an “R” in front of his name, we’d support him. So go home and PUT A SOCK IN IT over being racist for not voting for a liberal socialist Democrat. GROW UP!!!! Maybe the insane liberals really AREN’T mature enough for a black president yet. Now there’s a thought!

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Sara @ 2:08, you highlight the reason I oppose thieves like you: “The federal government exists for multiple purposes but one is as a clearinghouse to fund those things of which all people partake and/or which effect the population at large.” That is the leftist justification for all waste, such as NPR.

By sane jane

October 24, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

Ragnar, at least I understand now why I find myself nodding my head in the affirmative at some of your posts. The libertarian wing of the Republican party could probably woo me over with just a bit of effort, but the fact that they’re being shouted down by the crazy religious nuts they team up with to win elections makes me shudder and cringe.

At least libertarians tell you up front (it seems) that it’s “every man for himself”. The faux-morality of the Religious Right (as well as bleeding-heart, bedwetting liberals) is sickening.

Big E, you talk of “media bias”, yet you just took a deeply suspect (and readily debunked) hoax of a story and swallowed it whole without even the slightest bit of skepticism.

The media has plenty of problems, but your willful ignorance takes the cake.

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Sara, MUCH good stuff. Thank you.

But there is one point you made that I cannot possibly disagree with more: No candidate wants to tell the public the truth the public doesn’t want to hear, but at this point everyone is going to have to make sacrifices to fix this.

There is one man who has been telling the truths people don’t want to hear for four decades - Ralph Nader.

He is the only candidate in my lifetime that has truly spoken truth to power and would FUNDAMENTALLY change the corrupt and inept status quo in Washington DC.

He has a plethora of very good ideas that neither Obama or McCain are even willing to consider.

Granted the RNC and especially the DNC do NOT want you to know about him and have tried every trick in the book, legal or otherwise to shut him down. Endless, frivolous lawsuits by the Democrats in 04 to try and bankrupt him and keep him off the ballot. The American politburo, I mean the Commission of Presidential Debates locking him and everyone else out of the parallel interviews, I mean debates.

The duopoly simply does not want us to have real choice. And the media is just as culpable in ensuring we do not have a competitive democracy. We supposedly have a competitive economy, so why would these two parties try so desperately to narrow voter choice?

We both know.

Got to votenader.org and I’m confident that you’ll see and agree…

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

The Wooten squad —the Phil Kents, the Dick Williams’, the Eric Johnsons, the Schwalls and von Bremmans, and the Karen Handels and the white country club Rethugs have tried to supress the vote in every state knowing they can’t win a legitimate vote, and we are mowing them down not only in Jaw Jaw but in every state one by one:

PI Attempts to Violate Federal Voting Law in New Mexico http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/pisactionsmayhaveviolated.php

Thugs Systemic Attempt to Block the Vote http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/blockthevote

By Commander Guy

October 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Hmmm, a pattern emerges.

Regular guy Joe the Plumber emerges from obscurity to ask a question of Obama, who in turn viciously attacks Joe for daring to question him. Except it turns out Joe is a complete lying sack, that the question is not based on fact, and that Obama answered him with detail and respect. A bull5hit artist, in short.

Regular gal Ashley Todd is dragged from obscurity by a SCARY BIG NEGRO with a SCARY BIG KNIFE and is tortured for her support of McCain by a supporter of the NEGRO Obama. Except that she was never mugged or attacked, there was no scary knife/negro, and she swore out a false complaint to law enforcement. Yep. Another bull5hit artist.

And then there are Wooten and jbm and Crusty….ah, but I could go on…..

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

There is a very disturbing report about Scotch Tape and Xrays which, if true, will completely change our notions about the nature of light.

If you unravel a roll of scotch tape in a vacuum, then xrays are emitted powerful enough to see through your finger. They’ve known about this for 50 years but only recently have been experimenting with it.

How? What is adhesive? Molecules that can share electrons with other substances. So, if you strip the molecule apart real fast then maybe that induces a change in the orbit of the electrons that were being shared and thus a photon is emitted.

I know nothing of the world we live in, except that when an electron changes orbit, then a photon of radiation is emitted. How do electrons decide to change orbits? When they absorb energy from light. Thus, if sunlight hits a leaf in the spring, then the molecular structure of the spring leaf induces an electron to change orbit in a manner that would emit a photon of green light. So we see a green leaf. If the sunlight hits the same leaf in the Fall, then the bio-molecularly changed leaf induces the electrons to change orbit in a manner that gives off red light. The same leaf, then appears green in spring and red in fall because of how the atoms in their seasonal alignment shed electrons when they absorb the radiation from the sun. The only difference is in the molecular structure of the fall leaf vs the spring leaf, and that change has to do with photosynthesis and chorophyll.

It’s almost too much to bear thinking about.

What is light? It’s like the Bailout. Nobody knows how to describe why we needed a bailout. Greenspan didn’t help anything by claiming that he thought bankers were following government regulations in the past because it was smart business to follow government regulations. WRONG. They follow government regulations because they were there. Bankers dont have any more discipline or knowledge than you or I.

The bailout was a ripoff of US taxpayers of the last cash reserves we had. For the rich. Once in a century credit tsunami? Oh, this is not over. The Iraq War is the root cause of all our troubles in the global markets. There wasn’t supposed to be an Iraq War. The uncertainty and fear and violence unleashed into the global karmic zeitgeist is simply too much for any tentative market. Once in a century? this is going to last a generation.

America cant afford it’s own pirates anymore. We have to shed them. Expect blackwater mercenaries to show up here any time now, people.

BlackWater Mercenaries 08: They’re going to shoot us down like dogs in the streets. Just like they done the Iraqis.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Dear Sara @ 2:08, my earlier post, wherein I called you a thief, was too short. You deserve explanation, why your good intentions merit invective.

You do not magnify charity when you make the federal government the “funding clearing house.” You magnify the overlords, who determine the winners and losers in the funding lottery. Better than your slaveholding system is a free market, where each individual purchases whatever he wishes.

Dear Sane Jane @ 2:49, I do not conceal my Christian beliefs. My libertarianism is shouted down within the republican party not by the religious people, but by the RINOs, those who falsely claim the mantle of conservatism while magnifying the “compassion” of government. The religious right are my friends. They do not seek to impose their beliefs on me, and they appreciate my desire to remove the government yoke.

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Evil is Handel

Hanel naively and prematurely broke out the champaign celebrating a premature victory in her massive effort to supress Democratic voters in Georgia.

Here’s where you will be able to see the order rebuking her and correcting her law breaking behavior and that of the Georgia Attorney General when it shows up today or Mon/Tue.

Is Thurbert Baker another Clarence Thomas? It looks compellingly so.

MORALES v. HANDEL http:// moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/moralesv.handel.php

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Commander Guy—

Obama’s intrinsic respect for Joe who knocked himself out to get to Obama and his patience and the distortion by moronic McCain, moronic Palen and confused individuals like Wooten who think the opposite of what happened is a metaphor for how the Rethugs have distorted every issue, including their insipid representation by the idiots Chamblkiss and Corynyn that the FISA bill needed to be passed to “protect America” when every element of it was already in place for years whether on the books or not.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Hey……..By Ragnar Danneskjöld ….

So should the government help out the Boys and Girls Club of America?

By Morrigan

October 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

Eli, what exactly is a “birth canal”?

Aw, just kidding. The other word is so filthy dirty.

Woman-hater.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Dear Sarah,

Pericles would be proud of you for making such a fine speech. Although I am afraid you attack the things that I dearly prize i.e. freedom for the individual. You have efficently woven religion into a political format which is neither religious nor individual.

Ta take the words “Take from the rich and give to the poor” speaks in generalites. It sounds like an overall policy. It does not cite percentages or what level is rich or who is “poor” but you want government to make these delineations.

You have already decided who has too many houses or pretty clothes because you have seen the donations of the average American. Have you done the accounts of the very rich? I doubt it. Surely you would not “take from the rich” but only do accounts for the poor for whom you make no charges. It is a fine thing to preach but a harder thing to enact your words.

This country is based on freedom to do that which we can as long as it is legal. It is a personal commitment that each person should make his or her own effort to relieve suffering of every kind. You will find that the greatest institutions for such things are supported by huge gifts from the rich. Not just charity but education, science, medicine and law/justice. I do not wish to change that.

I find that conservatives present the best hope for individual freedom. I will not decide who is to give and who is to take. I will demand fairness in government for it’s assigned duties. I am thankful for America and its freedom. Even the stock market cannot change that. I will vote for those I feel appreciate the gifts we have been givem in America.

By Shrugging Atlas

October 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Great post Sara. Ragnar’s response is typical of the republican party, what’s mine is mine. You can not logically argue with someone who uses NPR as an example of bad social programs. That’s just the difference between us. We are for the people, and they are for their people. Dems are the party of “we” and “us”, and Repugnants are the party of “me” and “I”. They will never be able to change us and we will never be able to change them. Great post though.

By Shrugging Atlas

October 24, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

DUSTY, CONSERVATIVE AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM ARE OXYMORON’S

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

champagne

champaign=evil tactics in a campaign and it was way premature.

When Jack Camp is forced to retool his own original order by the compelling plaintif”s briefs including the DOJ Civil Rights’ Voting Section on the Georgia Section 5 Violations, the legal term for that is courtsturbation,

By Sara

October 24, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Ragnar I’ll at least give you credit for coming up with something other than pure invective.

Methinks your take on morality and ethics is different from mine. Every man for themselves and to heck with the rest of you. If that is in fact your policy and you don’t care if people go hungry (including children who do not pick their parents and cannot support themselves), that is your choice and at least your political ideology is in keeping with your moral ideology (which is at core an improvement over many others). I’ll have to respectfully disagree about what I think the moral imperative for humanity is as well as what practical measures I believe will best sustain a society successfully. Personally, I find that when the entire society is healthy and at least prosperous to the point of affording all basic necessities, that in essence “trickles up” as it were. Nor do I have a problem with the concept of a federal government…though its implementations are certainly less than desirable.

AmVet @ 2:50 - I am familiar with Nader but as you pointed out, he may always be unfortunately relegated to fringe status. The two-party boys (and girls) don’t take kindly to a third, as needed as that third voice might be. It wouldn’t be so bad if I thought either party would fix their ailments but alas we all know the odds of that.

All I can do is hope some common sense will prevail somewhere at sometime.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Shrugging Atlas @3:16

Conservative and individual freedoms are an oxymoron only to liberals.

Liberal and directed assets are the companion principles of CHANGE, i. e. take from the rich and give to the poor.

This big change is to take THE AMERICAN WAY and change it to the failed tenets of overall socialism.

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

DustBuster, don’t you have more backwards-B’s to carve into your own cheeks?

By Sara

October 24, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Dusty - You do not trust government to make such distinctions, of which I would somewhat agree, but I do not trust all people to make good distinctions either. I have not seen anything overall in American society that leads me to believe that given the opportunity to spend most of their income as they saw fit (some taxes are of course inevitable for even the most basic of services), that people would overwhelming choose to “do the right thing” as it were.

While I may count among my clientele few millionaires (though there are in fact some), the very poor do not generally use accounting services outside of the H&R Block variety (the Wal-Mart of accounting as it were). I am aware of how charitable people can be. However, I used to work for a magazine in ATL (that shall remain nameless) and always found ironic the “upper societal” idea of charity - get all dressed up in outfits costing thousands of dollars to attend parties that cost thousands of dollars all for “charity.” Now, I like to have fun as much as anyone, but the irony of such things exists nonetheless.

If nothing else I feel the whole of society is simply too disorganized to effectively support necessary social services among the deserving (although there is a definition sorely in need of a re-write…I’ll have to share my personal saga with you sometime to explain how I feel about who is worthy of a helping hand and who is not). Besides, the endless bickering and lobbying of interest groups in Washington would still spill over to the private sector with equally disastrous results I fear - and with less recourse. At least with elected officials there is some measure of transparency not to mention a course of action in approval and disapproval.

There is no question setting the limits is difficult, as you say. People tend to defend their own positions (wealth protecting wealth, poor protecting poor) instead of using intelligent objectivity. Hence the need for a reigning body of some kind that can be those objective intellectuals…it is just most unfortunate that ours have thus far failed us miserably.

Allow me to end my participation though today with an expression of my appreciation for the discourse. It’s refreshing to be reminded there are conservatives that can have political and philosophical debates based on facts, logic, and reason…instead of relying on those scintillating invectives. :)

By ron

October 24, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Forgotten Messiah———Scientists are stymied for the moment on the scotch tape x-rays apparently because the adhesive 3M uses on it’s tape is a trade secret.

The root of all evil as far as the financial mess is concernd is that no one took into account that housing prices would fall.It was never thought of.It was never planned for.It was inconceivable that they would go down.But they did.Everyone was left holding the BIG bag.

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Neil Bortz is on CNN and he’s complaining about his constituency’s insistence on rehashing the muslim connections to Obama in call after call. Neil doesn’t realize that to be a Bortz fan is to be a pinhead that believes in nonsense and fairy tales.

Neil is disowning the monster he himself created, just like Wooten did with Bush, conservatism the GOP.

It is a new era.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Well, I am sorry that Sara has to go but once again we disagree.

She feels that citizens cannot make good decisions for themselves. That she has seen them make bad ones. That too is an individual freedom which we have seen too often.

Can the government cure all the bad decisions of its citizens? NO. Why not? Because government is made of people themselves who may make bad decisions. We elect them hoping for the best. But they are human and even the Constitution cannot make government infallible.

As far as I can see, Obama has been making poor decisions most of his life…. companions, church and policies. He has become rich, an American privilege. How far this “take from the rich and give to the poor” will last, I am afraid we shall see. Perhaps he will start by giving away most of his four million. Actions speak louder than words.

By Peter

October 24, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Here we have TYPICAL Republican SCUMBAG tactic’s….

Police say McCain worker made up attack story A McCain-Palin campaign volunteer who claimed she was robbed and cut by a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama has confessed to making up the story, Pittsburgh police Assistant Chief Maurita Bryant said this afternoon.

Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, is charged with filing a false police report. She told investigators she has had psychological issues in the past and Bryant said detectives are working with the Allegheny County District Attorney’s office to determine whether Todd should be released on the misdemeanor charge or taken to a hospital for evaluation.

“She just opened up and said she wanted to tell the truth,” Bryant said. “She was upset with the media for blowing this into a political firestorm.”

Typical !

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

GGG@3:49

I don’t go for that crazy stuff. Somebody might think I was a liberal. Ewww

I do have a great urge to crack crazy ol’ geeks in the head with a ruler. That only happens when I hear the word CHANGE one more time.

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

DustBuster - Um, dear, that was one of your fellow PALEOCONS who carved herself a CHANGE to her face. Of course, DEMONSTRABLE FACTS have never stopped you before, have they?

By The Forgotten Messiah.

October 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

ron, dammit if it was that simple then we’d be at dow 15K.

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

Wooten is writing a comedy column. The polls he quotes within 1 or so weighted that they mean zip over zilch.

Palin has everything to lose, and she’s losing it in the next 10 days.

She does have a future as a talk show host for Wingnut radio, as long as she refuses to any significant interviews while she spews hate, doggonits, drops g’s and goshdarnites.

10 more days and Saaayyyruh’s venomous lies are off the air.

Wooten—why did they keep you out of History 101 @ UGA? People have been testing Presidents for a couple hundred years and Biden said nothing perjorative about Obama’s ability to answer the test.

Not test McCain? Hell they tested McCaion and Bush when they burned up 2000 people in NYC and Bush peed in his pants, read a child’s book for nearly 10 minutes then flew around the country hiding in bunkers all day like the complete chicken* that he always has been.

McCain’s not going to be tested because he and the moron are going nowhere near the White House come 10 days. And Saxbuh the liar will be kicked out of the Senate.

By Rick

October 24, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

I have had it, I am cashing in my chips and I have an atlas out and am looking for a place to go, I am too tired of this. Y’all can have it!

By Chad Harris

October 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

Wooten has been cluck clucking about what a tough scary bad a* McPalin is and how no one would test him. The number of prominent Republicans including former governors who are now endorsing Obama grows by the minute—but apparently Wooten doesn’t read any newspapers including his own.

McCain’s Suggarmama—that’s be the one he hasn’t lived with the entire time they’ve been married—she lives with boyfriends in California and he lives with girlfriends on the East Coast mostly lobbyists which is the obscene part of the relationship—not the sex—could have easily put a bounty on Bin Ladin’s head for the price of one of her 300 grand outfits.

As Chris Hitchens a big supporter of the Iraq War has said, McCain is coming accross as a total nutbag. “You have no idea what McCain is going to say next. He’s become considerably older in the last few months. McCain is borderline senile.”

Senile + Moron are not going anywhere near the White House. For Wooten to think so is simply delusional.

You have a 200 million dollar fortune at your fingertips. Your a US Senator. They give you a free 3G phone we pay for. McCain lies and says he has the way to take down Bin Ladin and the Taliban. Total BS. Bin Ladin has helped take down the American economy. So did the fiasco in Iraq. And we haven’t begun to take Iraq off the table. It’s killing Wooten’s party.

By Rick

October 24, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

I have had it, I am cashing in my chips and I have an atlas out and am looking for a place to go, I am too tired of this. Y’all can have it!

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Dear Peter @ 3:02, trick question. Government cannot “help” anything, it can only take what belongs to another. And theft is generally unacceptable, no matter how many guns the thief has.

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

OK, we all know that the religious right is not really FOR John McCain.

He is MUCH too secular and not anti-science enough for them.

The answer?

Pastor Gene Amondson, running for the presidency with the most unlikely party EVER to seek office in a country on the brink of total financial collapse - the Prohibition Party.

Why haven’t you Talibaptists told us about this guy?

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Link to this

GGG@4:44

A crack on the head with a ruler for you, GGG. I know the girl you mentioned was a young mixed up Republican girl. Just like Tawana Brawley, another mixed up girl, tried to do something phony.

Other weak minded people try to make a big political thing out of illogical actions by a teenager. Too bad that is what you are doing.

By Dusty

October 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this

AmVet,6:00

Why did you tell us about Gene Amondson? I don’t know any talibaptist. I never heard of the Prohibiton Party. I bet there are not 100 people who have ever heard of any of this.

Why don’t you tell Bab Barr and Nader and McKinney that they shouldn’t have a party because the country is on the brink of total financial disaster? YOU do that.

Oh I forgot. You just wanted another jab at the religious right who are 99.9% for McCain. Republicans are voting for a President, not looking for a pastor.

By AmVet

October 24, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

OK, we all know that the religious right is not really FOR John McCain.

He is MUCH too secular and not anti-science enough for them.

The answer?

Pastor Gene Amondson, running for the presidency with the most unlikely party EVER to seek office in a country on the brink of total financial collapse - the Prohibition Party.

Why haven’t you Talibaptists told us about this guy?

By GayGrayGeek

October 24, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

DustBuster - She is a PALEOCON ADULT who decided her face needed a CHANGE.

She’s one of yours. Embrace her, make her feel welcomed, since her obvious racism fits right in with you and your PALEOCON pals who are going to find CHANGE come November 4!!!

By Dusty

October 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

Ashley Todd is twentyyears old. She is the one who made false claims about an attack on her because she had a NcCain sticker. The claim was false.

The police report mentioned that Ms. Todd had psychological problems before.

Both McCain and Obama expressed concern for such an act. The young woman is obviously in need of professional help.