Thinking Right

By alphabot

October 7, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

When Obama says ‘cutting more than spending’, he means he’s proposing to cut MORE than the amount he’s proposing to spend.

Some of the cuts providing funds to divert to new programs. It’s not rocket science. That’s where your head’s in the sand.

Whereas McSame said nothing specific and sounded like a whirl of catchphrases and buzzwords.

By D.S. Brown

October 7, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

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Next to the bloodsport that was the VP debate, this was a teddy bear picnic. I was actually bored at the start, as both refused to answer questions and regurgitated talking points. Still, Obama won the day just barely. How? He was tad bit more specific in answering more questions than McCain. That’s it.

Jim, absurdity is a strong word, but this is your day job, so I understand. I’ll let you have the statement, even though I’m quite certain you have not scoped the detail of what more cuts then spending means any more than I have. However, the moment you expose yourself as a dominionist, I AM ON YOU!!!! Be wary.

BE A CRITICAL THINKER! BE OPEN TO DISCOURSE AND DIALOGUE!

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McCain is a indeed a true hero, but for the sake of innovation it’s Obama in ‘08

By Jenn

October 7, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

Alpha—— You are kidding right???? me and my hubby are chewing fingernails right now. An Obama, I don’t need, neither does Washington, he hasn’t done anything there since elected into office.

By gagrunt

October 7, 2008 11:02 PM | Link to this

Jim, my friend, if you want to get upset about to poor showing, tonights the night. Our Party’s leader, didn’t get it done. It’s about time someone got angry and started talking straight with the American People, not all the empty suit BS. It will happen but probably not unti 2012, go Palin/Jindall

By Peter

October 7, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Jim both guys say they are going to retool, spend on energy………McCain says Many More Nuclear Plants…….

That doesn’t sound cheap……?

SO……… where is the McCain money coming from that create the Power plants, the solar and wind that McCain talks about ?

Cutting earmarks won’t create that money……..

Next thought…..

Anyone knows Insurance is cheaper as a group period…..no doubt about that !

So with McCain saying……………….. each of us is going to have to get our own insurance. as individuals…….. how will that make it CHEAPER per individual ?

Is the plan to make the Government help foot the bill………….. BUT ALLOW ………..Insurance Companies to make More via deregulation, and larger premiums ?

How are special need folks going to handle the situation on only $5,000.00 a year?

Is this a Tax break ? A rebate check. ?

SO how much money do you have to make to get $5,000 ? $15 K year , 30 K year , 45 K year……?

Also, how can a guy in Tennessee… as McCain stated get insurance in Arizona because it is cheaper ?

What does that mean, does the guy go to Arizona to see his Doctor ?

Is the doctor in Tennessee going to work for a group in Arizona ?

Very confusing stuff McCain threw out there tonight !

By Priscilla Morrison

October 7, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

It is clear you are a hard line conservative. McCain is out of touch. Look at the polls, they don’t lie.

By Priscilla Morrison

October 7, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

It is clear you are a hard line conservative. McCain is out of touch. Look at the polls, they don’t lie.

By Priscilla Morrison

October 7, 2008 11:12 PM | Link to this

It is clear you are a hard line conservative. McCain is out of touch. Look at the polls, they don’t lie.

By D.S. Brown

October 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this

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Jean, an Obama I can use. If you make less than $250,000 a year it doesn’t take rocket science to realize you can use him too. Bottom line, can you use a bigger tax cut? Don’t listen to what McCain said, and don’t regurgitate it now. Go to his website. Pull up his economic platform. Go to Obama’s site. Pull up his platform, and then come back and type. DON’T DO IT BEFORE THEN.

As for Gagrunt, though I take the Fundamentalist Right’s campaign to destroy individual thought quite seriously, as a fiscal conservative and social liberal, I can still take a moment to smile in the midst of urgency. PALIN in 2012? I’m not trying to be rude, but I would pose this question to you. Are you a high school graduate? If so, don’t get angry. Just take a moment to think, shift your perspective, and ask … why would I ask you such a thing? Are you a soccer mom that thinks the President should be a Hockey mom or Joe Sixpack? Please, please, please, in the name of all that’s holy raise your expectations!!!!!

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The world is far too complex for that kind of silly simplicity. In Russia the Prime Minister, a former spy, highly intelligent strategist, and cold-war mastermind has just put out a black belt JUDO video. SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!!! SPEAK UP!!!! PALIN IN 2012?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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By Faye

October 7, 2008 11:21 PM | Link to this

It was clear to me that Obama won the debate. McCain wasn’t convincing, so I don’t think “succeeded” is the correct term. McCain would be more of the same mess we’ve had with Bush.

By pat maguire

October 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Mcain is old and in the way. It did him no good to walk around so much while he was talking his talking points and rah rah rah-ing his America the Great rhetoric. He is like The Penguin in Batman….just aimlessly pacing and bursts of rage….or even the rage he tries to hide while grimmacing most of the time. Obama is clearly the winner of this debate and our next president if Rove and Bush fail in their next attempt to steal the election….even in an Obama landslide. The Gop represents very nasty criminal lowlifes. Go Obama

By pat maguire

October 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Mcain is old and in the way. It did him no good to walk around so much while he was talking his talking points and rah rah rah-ing his America the Great rhetoric. He is like The Penguin in Batman….just aimlessly pacing and bursts of rage….or even the rage he tries to hide while grimmacing most of the time. Obama is clearly the winner of this debate and our next president if Rove and Bush fail in their next attempt to steal the election….even in an Obama landslide. The Gop represents very nasty criminal lowlifes. Go Obama

By pat maguire

October 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

Mcain is old and in the way. It did him no good to walk around so much while he was talking his talking points and rah rah rah-ing his America the Great rhetoric. He is like The Penguin in Batman….just aimlessly pacing and bursts of rage….or even the rage he tries to hide while grimmacing most of the time. Obama is clearly the winner of this debate and our next president if Rove and Bush fail in their next attempt to steal the election….even in an Obama landslide. The Gop represents very nasty criminal lowlifes. Go Obama

By Gagrunt

October 7, 2008 11:36 PM | Link to this

D.S. Brown - hate to bust your bobble but I both a B.S. and an B.S. and having retried from the Amry as A Colonel after 27 of service (with two tours as an infantry office in RVN) I am now work for a small compnay doing consulting and training in leadership for companies all across this nation. Gov. Plain is a leader, maybe a great leader, but since you have no role moldes on your side of the asile, I understand why you can see it…

By TW

October 7, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this

Either way, if it’s up to that group of losers from Ohio that CNN had sequestered - we’re sunk.

By gagrunt

October 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Link to this

D.S. Brown - or I could address your smug, condasending statements to indicate you have a problem with women. Bet you were one of those guys who help Barry beat now Hillary, drug her through the HOT coals of sexism… smeared her for her failings as a mother and a wife… make you feel good big boy… Poor woman that must put up with you..

By Peter

October 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Link to this

hey………By Gagrunt ………..

What do you make of having to find your own Insurance, and not be on any type of group plan ?

Do you think that will or would make your personal insurance less expensive?

Do you think Americans in general would have lower premiums ?

By gagrunt

October 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure what your point it but I have TRI CARE health insurance as a result of my retirement from the Army. I think anytime the government gets involved in anything (other than defense and securing our boarders) its not going to do it as the private sector could. The hey I’m a conservative…

By Bemused Humanist

October 8, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

Question for Redneck Convert:

In lieu of McCain’s reference to Obama as “that one” are you considering changing the appellation from “Those People” to “That People”?

It is vaguely more Biblical …

— B.H.

By wtfbbq

October 8, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

GAGrunt

Grunt? Colonel? I dont think so. An officer needs to have at least a college education, and you sir can’t put together a cohesive sentence. Bobble? “but I both a B.S. and an B.S.”? Moldes? Asile? “I can understand why you can see it”??

Get off the hooch. I’m drunk and I can spell better and create better sentences than you.

You, sir, put on airs. You are a grunt, and a drunk grunt at that. No more McSame. Besides theres a 1:7 chance he will die and the VPILF would become president? God help us I hope not. “I can see Russia from my porch..” Whatever.. 1) technically not accurate, and 2) that makes you VP material? NOT!

By Susan

October 8, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

Obama was the ticket tonight. He had class and integrity. McCain resorted to mudslinging and folksiisms. Did he really think that acting like Palin would equal a win? I was really hoping for him, sadly, he lost my vote tonight.

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 12:37 AM | Link to this

These 2 dogs fight differently thats all……

Obama preps well, rehearses and delivers strong performances. he’s no dummy.

McCain has a record that he is relying on, and challenged all who really care about this election, to look at it in comparrison to the other dog in the fight.

Strong stuff considering what the Obama record of real accomplishment is.

In the end McCain does not play to the camrera well. Who cares…. That should be the least important aspect of this campaign.

It should come down to viewpoints, how each of these candidates came to espouse these veiwpoints, credibility, experience, and which can engage world leaders in dialogue that is beneficial to the interests of The United States of America.

We know how McCain came to beleieve what he does…. Years of unselfish service.

Obama????? Ayers? Rescoe? If these are the influences that shaped Obama’s platform, then it is very relevant to learn more. This is not a job interview for a ditch digger….. Its for President of the United State of America.

The liberal media keeps trying to take these questions off the table tonight. The closer we get to November, the more relevant they become. Much to the chagrin of Anderson Cooper, and that ra ra Go Obama team of talking heads on ABC.

He may be old and his delivery a little boring and yes a little to D.C., but Sen. McCain is the only candidate in this race who can handle all that the job requires.

I ask all voters to put pettyness aside. Put race aside, look in the mirror and ask if you can trust a smart inexperienced politician with the job of President. If you owned a company of 300 ppl. would you hire him to be CEO with what he has accomplished to date? If you say yes, you are lying to yourself…….. And you know it.

Get serious about your vote people this is no longer about and should never have been about breaking racial ceilings.

Vote for the most qualified candidate. Senator John McCain. a credible experienced leader, a patriot and American Hero.

By Oaktown Savage

October 8, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Keating Five. Campaign manager a big lobbyist for FM&FM. Top economic adviser says we’re just whining about the economy. Candidate himself says the fundamentals are strong. Long history as a free market de-regulator.

Snide comments, condescension, and distorting his opponent’s record just won’t do the trick this time.

PS What about putting his country first by choosing an Alaska secessionist as his running mate? Now there’s presidential quality judgment — at least by the standards of the incumbent.

By KT

October 8, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this

Do you think commenting on message boards will make change? hopefully when are the American people going to stand up and be heard? What about marches, and petitions, what about boy-cots? what about having your voice heard in Washington? What about holding Bush accountable?

The current administration is raping us, they have ruined our reputation have lied to us and murdered foreigners in their own countries and now spent not only OUR money but our children will be paying the debt for decades. Can we ever recover economically? When will our conscience wake up and say NO MORE?

By TVI

October 8, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this

John McCain did fairly well, and you can tell that he’s more comfortable with this debate format. However, IMHO, (and apparently the opinion of most others according to polls) Obama clearly connected with people much better, and had better answers.

I was also very put off by McCain’s “that one” comment. It was rude, condescending, diminutive, and very revealing about McCain’s character. he just cannot hide his disdain for Obama. I would not trust John McCain to run a Pottery Barn let alone occupy the presidency. Scarier still is the thought that Palin could inherit it should McCain become incapacitated. That woman makes Dan Quayle look like a genius.

I am very comfortable with Obama. He is the only one who has demonstrated calm rationality despite the intense heat of the campaign. McCain has truly become erratic and irrational. The thought of that man controlling the nuclear codes would keep me awake at night.

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

The South is truly Jim Crow in 2008. America needs a change and doesn’t need the same old politics as usual. If McSame is pushing for change than he needs to get out of the way. He has been in the staunt republican right wing power grid for centuries and now is talking about changing how D.C. politics is provided. OK, what did he do while in Washington. Where was this change while he was in the Senate the last 26 years, let alone the last 8. The power structure is tilting for a revamping of politics as we know it and the power elite is afraid. Those in power now are soo afraid that they will lose it that they stoop to experience as their last resort. Let’s take a look at experience and what it has provided in recent years. The collapse of the real estate and finanical markets; a dip in the value of the dollar; decline in respect throughout the world; numerous lies to the American people; 10 billion dollars a month filtered to Iraq and Bush/Chaney’s pockets; and a huge separation in economics for all Americans. And the conservative right wing power elite bailing out the GOOD OLE’ BOYS! If McSame is so focused on change: move over and let someone new into Washington. Its obvious that MaSame is out of touch with the 21st Century American citizen. We do not want 4 more years of the same: and that’s what you are gonna get with 72 year old McSame. And I am not going to even get started with his VP- Sarah “Britney Spears-like” Palin. What has she done to prove she is worthy of being a VP. Obama is clearly the best choice in 2008 and for conservatives who are about to lose their economical and political power are SOOOO AFRAID. Please tell me what republican vp candidate brings to the table other than being the ditzy pale woman most of you conservatives wouldn’t want on the ticket if Obama wasn’t running. Be afraid, very afraid. Its about time your people (right wing conservatives)see that McSame and his political cronies need to retire to their old folks home; rocking in their easy chairs talking about how the fleeced the American people for over 100+ years. McSame and his running mate, Britney Spears from Alaska, need to stick to the issues and stop trying to place “guilt by association”. Its hilarious to see goobers like Hannity and Rove shivering in their seats when talking about Obama. I am excited to hear that all they can talk about is Obama’s old ties to pot smoking radicals of old. Remember, when Ayers did these things he was protesting the vietnam war, HELLO. I am waiting to see McSame’s “swift boat attack” Obama in the next coming weeks. Go get Obama, you are an inspiration to many of Us and don’t let the hate these conservatives deter your monentum. Remember, Jim Crow South, the days of keeping opportunity to yourselves is over! Their is a new sheriff in town and his name is “Reggie Hammond”-Barack Obama.

By Right wing European

October 8, 2008 1:31 AM | Link to this

Notes from Europe.

Wake up America.

America, little shrinking violet on the road to …. ? You have made a Baghdad of your country and you are now exporting this globally – shame on you.

The world (and not just Europe) wants you, Obama/Biden (except the terrorist organisations and dark corporate interests in the USA of course who want a McCain win to maintain their legitimacy).

The world wants you Obama/Biden and it is written in every international poll globally. Wow … if even a right wing think tank such as The Economist can come up with such a result there must be a really stark enduring truth in it somewhere.

And don’t get this wrong America – or you Colonel of 27 years (above) - this is a global election because in case you forgot it America you are, alas, intimately connected to the rest of the world and cannot act - at least in the short term - alone anymore.

America, we are flabbergasted by your appalling record of the last 8 years and the lies you told to go to war in Iraq or the way you handled the aftermath of Katrina internally (just do an audit trail and you will see how you managed to cheat your own people for the benefit of a few large corporate interests tied closely to your current administration).

America, you should be grateful that when you travel overseas as a nation that most of the world (except the terrorists who terrorise us all thanks to you) puts your actions down to your nasty little Bush/Cheney administration and its potential continuation (McCain/Palin). Clinton may have been caught and indeed trapped with his pants down by a vicious right wing that has a not-so-puritanical record of doing the same - but let me tell you now - your national pants are now down like they have never been before and your great nation (it really is great in the greater sense of history) and all its traditional allies around the world are paying dearly for the last 8 years.

Wake up America – we are all hurting as a result of the most despicable regime your nation has ever been run by.

Why do you want to even consider continuing the Bush/Cheney legacy under a war hawk who has an actuarial 1/5 chance in dying in the next 5 years and a pip squeak from Alaska who has the credentials only to run a soccer team of teenagers, to teach Creationist history and who clearly has never read a newspaper of international note in her life (you have got to be kidding Colonel … or deluded! … did we read the VP choice correctly because our mouths in the rest of the civilized world are aghast with shock and horror at what awaits us all)? She is very very far from qualified and McCain has done nothing but insult women by his choice.

And when I say we will think of you differently America don’t think for a moment that we Western moderates elsewhere in the world will start to think the terrorists that afflict us all had a point after all – that would be more naïve thinking on your part. Terrorists are evil in every sense and no civilized person in the Western world can believe in any of their causes – and for the sake of keeping peace with some of you here, you were right to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan but wrong to think that you could better the Russian army who failed miserably to fashion the country in their own image years before.

Quite simply your great nation, home of great minds, innovation, opportunity (and all the rest of the propaganda that is more less true of your nation) and the majority of its wonderful citizens, risk being sidelined and ignored and jeered at forever by those of us outside the USA who have traditionally looked towards your nation with nothing but cautious admiration – and your fairly close to this state of affairs in case you had not noticed the tone of this article… that may or may not be censored here.

In case you hadn’t realised it America the world is now increasingly happening elsewhere - China, India, Brazil, Austral(as)ia and oh my God … the Middle East that collectively happen to own much of your West Coast and East Coast … in case you hadn’t noticed how you have managed to print to so much debt in the last 10 years. Your facebook youth understand this – more or less – once they get out of their own selfish self-deluded Clueless Beverley Hills 90210 myopia. You all need to understand this and you all need to get out of your own country a lot more. You also need to reform your news services so that you can really see what is happening of importance around the world (e.g. Paul Newman was a great man but a lot more of more importance to you all was happening around the world when you were celebrating a life most of you knew and cared relatively little about). Ok … on this point, stop masturbating America.

Wake up America. The world (i.e. every country outside of the USA) needs a strong American administration under Obama/Biden working WITH the world in all matters related to economy, foreign policy and environment - not a pushover administration run by the vested interests of America’s few for the few (e.g. Big Oil, Haliburton and others) with Cheney as CEO and Bush as Chairman. Oh and this idea you have of big government versus small government or vice versa – grow up! You have just had 8 years of super giant government that has invaded every aspect of your lives and has managed to erode not only your civil liberties but also those of every other member of the civilized world. This idea of Democrats being a group for the poor and down and out middle class? From our point of view the Democrat ticket is about taking America forward in the 21C and modernising its dreams and aspirations.

For those of you who worry about the Democrats ‘socialistic’ tendencies - get real America! Just how rich do the rich need to be? The answer is of course … they can be as rich as they want without forgetting that money is not a store but a flow that requires participation by all to work. You have managed to separate money from the social frame that makes its existence possible in the first place which is how the ex CEO of Lehmans now sits in his ½ billion dollar estates unaccountable to the millions of investors he and his team have cheated. And why do you care so much about the super rich who represent such a small proportion of your population? You have a huge underclass in America that makes the rest of us think that you really aren’t so civilized after all. How can you justify such an underclass in the “land of the free”? Is there a difference between having 50 million USD in the bank and 100 million USD in the bank – to the average American? Not to the rest of the world there is not.

The news is this: without a USA that is carried by the whole populace of the USA (particularly a strong middle class), the world’s health will continue to deteriorate and then eventually the world will simply learn to ignore what has currently become the most fascist, naive, isolated place on this planet.

Reflect please on what you consider civilization to be. We think America is great but the lights are dimming. Obama/Biden, the world needs you.

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

Could these posts from the liberal left be any longer, and anymore lacking of substance???

Yea probably, but the message hidden within is to drown out any form of discourse with longwinded rambling postings. This must be a strategy promoted by the Obama Campaign leadership.

Its about the only strategy Obama is qualified to impliment and run with.

All of you people enamored with his stage pressence really need to seperate rhetoric and presentation from track record and substance. Just as Senator McCain suggested.

A powerful opportunity for a reality check. Come down off the either folks. next thing you know the Obama Campaign team sheparding your every move will have you sniffing “Magic Dust” as you write another “drown out the opposition” blog post.

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 2:02 AM | Link to this

Crazy Peeps you are laughable. You propably would vote for Bush if he could run for another 4 years. You guys amaze me with your “Obama is all rhetoric and his supporters are left wing crazies”. Astounding yet studpid comments from people who like the status quo. Can you get a grip on life and see where we are in not only the global economy but America as a whole. You don’t like our long winded rambling posts because you cannot defend your “so called Republican tickets judgements”. From VP selection “Britney Spears” to suspending your campaign to do nothing, Your ticket is and has been a joke since your great leader Ronald R. Until you can have good discourse about the issues (and not peoples associations with others on committees) get a grip and understand America 2008 is different from your old politics. You do not have a clue and need to open your eyes and see America is in turmoil. Stupid!

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 2:05 AM | Link to this

Crazy Peeps you are laughable. You probably would vote for Bush if he could run for another 4 years. You guys amaze me with your “Obama is all rhetoric and his supporters are left wing crazies”. Astounding yet stupid comments from people who like the status quo. Can you get a grip on life and see where we are in not only the global economy but America as a whole. You don’t like our long winded rambling posts because you cannot defend your “so called Republican tickets judgments”. From VP selection “Britney Spears” to suspending your campaign to do nothing, Your ticket is and has been a joke since your great leader Ronald R. Until you can have good discourse about the issues (and not peoples associations with others on committees) get a grip and understand America 2008 is different from your old politics. You do not have a clue and need to open your eyes and see America is in turmoil. Stupid!

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 2:16 AM | Link to this

Clinton is as much responsible for the past 8 years as Bush Fitzgerald. A point people like you seem to gloss over at every turn.

Guess being “drunk” with Obama fever will do that to who I bet is an otherwise reasonable person.

Do you really think Obama is gonna take care of you????

The only thing his track record shows for the past 8 years is Obama taking care of Obama which he will continue to do if elected. I wish you luck seeing your dreams fulfilled if he is elected.

More than likely you will feel like a fool for getting sucked in to the Smoke and Mirrors that his campaign has concocted for you.

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 2:39 AM | Link to this

First, the creation of America as we know it is based off of hope. The stock market is based on futures, the real estate market is based on assessing (guessing) value; George Bush, your current president, talks about hope and you have the nerve to express “smoke and mirrors” as Obama’s key talking points. Look, America does not need old policies from someone who has shaky judgment and an outdated philosophy on how he is going to lead America. Look at his leadership to date. I rather bet on a 1st round draft pick from quality institutions than on old veteran who cannot relate to the game he is playing in. McSame is as outdated as his mudslinging. You make me laugh! Experience? George Bush had experience and look where we are today. The senate (both R & D) is just as old and outdated as McSame. And you know as well as I do the only reason VP selection (Britney Spears) was selected was because McSame thought the American women were dumb enough to vote R. just because she was a woman. Judgment? wow. McSame really has great judgment. Yeah! I believe in a brighter tomorrow because I am American. Its our entitlement and right to believe in that. I’d far rather believe in that than look into my future and see the same crap I see with your current president. America is the only country on the globe where I can believe and say what I want and not listen to right wing crap being spewed be the same people who put my country in the crisis of the day. Keep believing in John’s experience and he’ll crash our country just like he crashed 5 war planes in Vietnam and grauated 894 out of 898 at his Naval Academy graduation. If you really believe his experience is so great look at his educational and flight experience. By the way, his judgment selected a VP candidate that had to go to 5 different colleges in 6 years just to finish undergraduate. Now you tell me where the moke and Mirrors lye!

By juan

October 8, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this

Jim you act like Obama has never done a town hall before. He has done several. He just wouldn’t do them with John McCain months ago. Never play to your opponents strong points is rule #1. Obama was very comfortable in the Town Hall format tonight.

McCain has one more debate for a game changer. Too be more Ronald Reagan and less Bob Dole. Both older republican candidates with different outcomes in the elections. Dole talked bad about Clinton and it didn’t really matter. Dole was seen more as a bitter old man.

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 2:49 AM | Link to this

S. Is that substannce enough for you? If not I have plenty more!

By My two cents

October 8, 2008 2:55 AM | Link to this

We call Bill Clinton “slick”. We will be calling Obama “slicker”. Wake up, people!

By Serious Sam

October 8, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, You are exceedingly generous with compliments.

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this

your name needs to be 1/2 a cent. Why is he slick, because he is articulate and answers the issues America is facing today? Or because he wants to include everyone in creating a great America? You guys really have been brainwashed to think that the only people who can save America are the Good ole boys. Just like The Dukes of Hazard, the good ole boys need to be cancelled! Obama is the future for America and if you cannot see the writing on the wall, go run into it, because obviously you are blind. Smoke and Mirrors, yeah just like Bush’s recent speeches and weekly radio show! Goober!

By SANE SAM

October 8, 2008 3:14 AM | Link to this

It is possible that President Obama will Select Chuck Hagar to be in his cabinet. He might even select Senator Lugar. One can never tell. President Obama will have a lot of Clinton advisors and likely lots of new faces to Washington. Michelle is going to love decorating the White House. Those two Obama girls will have a great time playing in that huge place. What fun!

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 3:24 AM | Link to this

So Fitz if you owned acompany you would hire somone with pedegree but with little accomplishment or experience???

Over a person who has a wealth of both?

This is McCain, not Bush so focus for a second…….. Two different ppl. If your brainwashing and desperation for more eyther would wear off you would see how dopy you sound.

Not only do you probably not know much about how politics and influence works around the world, but your chosen one doesn’t either.

Your rhetoric is laced with fear. Educate yourself about the records of both as elected officials. College is out and has no relevance other than as a basis for how they both beleive what they believe and who they associated with.

Terrorists and militants? or sailor soldiers, and patriots……….

McCain for me, Any day and all day when it counts.

By JenWenDen

October 8, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

Mr.Wooten, How much does John McCain’s easy, gentle temperment help him in this election? Obama comes across as any angry black man who could possibly be associated with dangerous Muslim terrorists. Do you think this might hurt him in this election?

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 4:42 AM | Link to this

Who is your hero Hannity or Rove? For your information, I have a master’s degree in Public Administration (Public Policy). Secondly, All you guys talk about is experience. And look where it got us, today. Your experience has us in a trillion dollar deficit and you think its ok for the American people to bail out this so called experience. I am a happy person by nature but your new found anger, for whatever reason, just goes to show you don’t have a clue. You and your “Hannitized” friends are so closed minded that you cannot see the forest for the trees. You loud and boisterous antics just hide you unweathered determination to stay in control of My America. You scare me because you seem like someone who is afraid of change. What’s so wrong with admitting your people put us in Our current climate of turmoil. So you are saying you would rather have a 26 year veteran quarter-backing your favorite football team vs. having a young Joe Montana calling the signals. Cant you see his views are as outdated as yours? Of course not. A 72 year old man cannot effectively make decisions on the future direction of America. You tire me with your “holding on to what little BS arguments” you all have left to hold on to. You talk big but have nothing of a SUBSTANCE to back your arguments. Do you realize that the rich continue to get rich while the middle class continues to bail out America. From sending middle class Americans to fight a war we should not have been in to saying Obama doesn’t support Our troops because he says WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE WAR TO START WITH, all you peoples rhetoric stinks with sarcasm and anger. I still cannot find any argument Britney Spears or Uncle Jesse can stand on that supports their beliefs. Your candidates elitists attitude mirrors that of W. (Honestly, look at the J. McCain camp- he is pimping his wife from her distribution fortune to get elected and Sarah Palin is just a JOKE all around. Maybe if she read a newspaper or 2 I would give her a little credit.) It amazes me that you’re dismissing educational institutions named after JFK whom you all seem to think is a scholar in government. Wow. I wonder if your great war hero candidate would have graduated in the bottom of his class, had he graduated from Harvard or even Princeton. And we all know J. McCain was spoiled (Like W.) and his family name got him into the Naval Academy. Your arguments are basis and a joke just like the ticket you support. Go ahead and continue to denounce Barack’s ticket-at least he is respected enough to be selected at 47 to run this country, while Uncle Jesse had a Naval Academy education (barley)and needed 30 years to get equal respect. If I remember correctly he lost twice to W in the 2000 & 2004 Republican Primaries. And what was your comment regarding experience. He let a lame duck like W take the ticket twice and look where that got us. You are just as lame as your lame duck ticket. CANCELLED…

By Fitzgerald

October 8, 2008 5:05 AM | Link to this

And Crazypeeps, In regards to your comment regarding selecting a wealthy, experienced person to hire vs a harvard educated candidate, give me the Harvard man anytime. Harvard provides not only access to the political network of today and yesterday, it also gives Americans the security of utilizing a suite of political resources that will act as additional counsel for real leadership and decision making. Come on Crazy…, you really don’t think you can out debate me. I have the knowledge and (your agrument)experience necessary to delete any counterpoint you may have to so-called defend your biased arguments. You and your good ole boy arguments are as outdated as your war hero candidate and that so called small town Andy griffith show mayor. Judgment-Sarah Palin-mother of 5, 1 who is unwed, pregnant and 17. How can you defend her judgment to lead America when she can’t even manage her own children. The last I heard, she is FORCING the BABY-DADDY to marry her permiscuious of a daughter. Just adding to the future divorce statistics

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 5:28 AM | Link to this

Obama would have hid under his bed if he was President during 9/11

Oh Fitz did you and your masters degree that you are so proud of forget that event?????

The world changed forever that day.

The reason why we have not killed Bin Laden is a reason Obama has no clue about.(Because the military does not trust him with any sensitive info… He is on the outside looking in) I know it because a family member of mine served in AFG. and knew pretty much where to find Bin Laden.

Ya don’t kill him because he should not be made out to be a martyr. You contain him, like the military has done so well. Skip the sound bytes they offer as smokescreens……. Realize you don’t tell the world this….

This is why Obama’s rhetoric and all your support is so naive. It why his comments about how he would deal with Pakistan are so far from appropriate its not even funny.

If Bin Laden gets killed 10 Obamas will take his place each seeking to do it better than he did. The military knows this and would rather he die quietly with no world fan fare.

From Obama’s comments at both debates he cleary does not understand the big picture and as a result will not get the results McCain will get.

He knows Zero about the region He will p** off every leader because of it. They will not feel like allies. Our reputation will suffer Lastly our military will shun a President that brings politics to a battlefield and does not understand the “terrain”.

By Right wing European

October 8, 2008 5:38 AM | Link to this

Obama/Biden can both string complete sentences together consistently and both have unparalleled clarity of thought which is even admitted to by CNN republican representatives in this election. You might not agree with all of that ‘thought’ but at least it is thinking clearly and its intentions are not parceled for a minority alone. Palin can barely speak in complete sentences that are grammatically correct let alone express her views clearly and that partly because she has none of any depth with regard to the economy or foreign policy. McCain can but is clueless when it comes to the economy and in my view foreign policy (sorry but you have no choice but to work with all parties in the world including all the nasty ones like Iran because they indeed often have more power than you do these days - anyone doubting this just watch Iran sell oil in Euros or Yuan for a while or train more Al-Qaeda to send to Afghanistan). Clarity of speech and thought is an absolute bare minimum requirement for this level of government and Palin hasn’t got it - and neither did Bush Junior.

Obama/Biden represents a centre-right wing ticket to the rest of the democratic world - McCain/Palin would represent a hard right, almost neo-fascist/nationalist ticket to anyone in Europe and indeed would threaten the US removal of their embassies to any European nation that ran on the same ticket - as happened to Austria during the Haider debacle. But America doesn’t see that or appreciate just how right wing it is.

Obama/Biden are interested in seeing how the whole American system can be lifted and not just a privileged few. The world and the Obama/Biden ticket want to see many more wealthy Americans rise and frankly speaking some healthier less round ones too. America comes way down the list of healthcare providers globally when you take the average healthcare provision as your key indicator. Why? If Hawaii can improve it for all so can the rest of America.

Obama/Biden must be onto a good thing and are clearly winning anyway because the Republican ticket has resorted to inappropriate mud slinging and misleading, even false character assassinations and associations - a sport better played by children and certainly only worthy of that intellectual and developmental level. Fortunately the independent swing voters are not entirely blind to this process. Republicans you betray yourselves and your honor when you try and associate Obama with ‘terrorists’ and ‘muslims of fundamentalist association’. Do you value yourselves collectively so little?

McCain - watch out with using that word “Liar”: you have contradicted yourself so much in the last year such commentary serves you little and only blemishes your record in the good things you have achieved in your life (omitting the poorer moments in your life). Shame on you.

As for Palin, before you start on colorful personalities that come to any person who has lived a full life ask yourself why indeed your exposure to them from the left or the right has been so little and what this means in terms of the word ‘experience’ - of which you really do have very little.

By RightwingEuropean

October 8, 2008 5:45 AM | Link to this

CrazyPeeps - in case you were asleep during 9/11, Bush did hide under his bed far from the action on Airforce One and the entire cabinet hid deep under the earth’s bed in Washington until someone sent them a telegram saying that all the planes , after a fashion, were down. Oh and don’t forget this too. When Bush was whispered the news in his ear in sight of the cameras, he was doing the only thing that he might be fully qualified for … telling little children stories from a picture story book.

By Curious Observer

October 8, 2008 5:52 AM | Link to this

The nonsense spouted by both candidates last night is best exemplified by the discussion of health care.

So McCain wants to give everybody a $5,000 refundable tax credit to buy health insurance. Well, anyone who pays even a smidgeon of attention to health insurance statements issued by employers knows that you simply can’t buy family coverage for that amount. I have a typical employer-sponsored health care plan with the usual deductibles covering a two-person family. My employer pays $8,400 annually and I pay $2,600. Would someone tell me how a person who can’t afford health insurance now is going to come up with the extra $6,000 to pay the cost above the $5,000 refundable tax credit?

Now let’s look at the other side. Obama wants to eliminate prexisting conditions clauses in health care insurance contracts. Do you have any idea what that would do to the premiums? If preexisting conditions clauses were eliminated by law, the only way insurers could make up the additional cost of claims would be to raise the annual premiums for everybody covered. Those premiums would nearly double, rendering employer-sponsored health insurance unaffordable for all who are presently covered. Let’s put it this way: if you were a health insurer, would you knowingly provide coverage for $11,000 to a person whose medical costs each year were guaranteed to be at least $50,000?

We see patent nonsense being spouted in these debates, and yet the focus seems to be on who won or lost. I’ll tell you who loses: you do. Just keep those partisan blinders on and ignore facts; sooner or later you will get the screwing you deserve.

By dL

October 8, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Funny: “Obama’s strong suit is that bad economic news and a rough day on Wall Street hands him an issue, which he exploited well.” Meaning? conceding the point that republicans are weak on the economy, has no solution out of this mess, all better, your little shrub ruined not only the military, the moral compass but the economy as well in a less than 2 terms. no small feat, i have to admit.

By fearless fosdik

October 8, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

By Johnny Maverick

October 8, 2008 7:52 AM

Feel my pain Johnny…Last night at a debate party every time the so called “MAVERICK” Said “My Friends” it was incumbent to drink down a shot!

Needless to say, I’m still drunk!

By CJ

October 8, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

“My Friends,” when I think ‘real change’ I don’t think of a 70 year old “maverick” to the rescue. He’s done enough for our country; it’s time for him to take a rest.

Isn’t that strange to anyone? How many 70 year olds who are sitting on a mountain of cash do you know who are seeking an extension of their career?

By Republicans R Crooks

October 8, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Hey Stupid - Your own employer, the ajcurinal rag, has a poll at the top of the main web page which currently shows 58% of viewers believe Obama won the debate, vs 37% for your boy, McCancerFace….Reality means nothing to you, does it Idiot of the AJC? Tax all repukes to oblivion….destroy them….curse their names for all eternity…Make It So….

By Prince's Hot Chicken Shack

October 8, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Folks in this neighborhood is behind Barack all the way. But John McCain is tough enough to handle our extra hot and ask for seconds. We like him, too.

By ron

October 8, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

Good morning,It looks as if I missed another ho-hummer of a Presidential debate last night.Good for me.It seems all the liberals think Obama won and all the conservatives think McCain won.What a surprise.That last was sarcasm,in case it doesn’t come across as such.See everyone tomorrow.

By Captain Freedom

October 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

THE Captain is rarely at a loss for words. But today, He is hoping that His friends here — especially Dustmop, Ragweed, and our host Jim — can clarify how Our Godly Republican Party can possibly be behind a man who suggests that the government buy all of our houses for us.

THE Captain is dumbfounded. Not even the Islamunistosocialistaterroristlover Obama would suggest something so … so … downright Marxist.

On the other hand, THE Captain is impressed with the way St John put the young buck in his place with his pithy “That one” putdown. So perhaps there is still hope?

By Ga Values

October 8, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

“Conclusion: No real winner or loser. Few of the undecided likely heard anything to push them one way or another.”

The losers are the US people

By Republicans R Crooks

October 8, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

Yo Captain Freakdom: R U still whacking off to pictures of women who have been dead for 40 years? Ah hear hades is seeking a restraining order to stop your abuse of the dead….you pervert….Do real women call you a “Dork?” Ah suggest you drink the special koolaide…it will allow you to join the dead women….not that they will want a dork like you around them…

By Mike

October 8, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

Wooten, you are deluding yourself and very few others. Keep it up, and after the election you’ll look like a fool.

By Willie

October 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

I went to CNN and all I could see is the wacko’s slobbering over OBAMA’s remarks. I have learned that style in politics just like in college football is more important than just having a winning record. If Obama is given the ball and he faces a real defense, can he score for the American people? I think he would stop and try to talk his way into the in zone.

By reader110

October 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Sure, Jim - I still don’t know how you write this stuff. You should really know what you’re talking about before you metaphorically open your mouth:

NBC’s focus group of undecided Pennsylvania voters had the Illinois Democrat winning by roughly a 60-40 split. Frank Luntz’s focus group, over at Fox, showed undecided voters leaning towards Obama because of his position on health care. CBS’s focus group of independents had the Democratic nominee winning the debate at 39 percent to McCain’s 27 percent, with 35 percent of the respondents saying it was a tie. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a Democratic polling firm, had a focus group of undecideds leaning to Obama by a margin of 42 percent to 24 percent.

Meanwhile, SurveyUSA interviewed 741 debate watchers in the state of Washington, 54 percent of whom thought Obama was the “clear winner” compared with McCain’s 29 percent. That same polling firm had the first debate as a tie. In tonight’s survey: 42 percent of respondents said McCain was too forceful.

And the CNN focus group of undecided voters in Ohio had the margin at an even wider spread: Obama 54 percent to McCain’s 30.

By Jungleland

October 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

It is clear that neither candidate said anything of substance last night. McCain will fix the crashing banking system with Nuclear Power? Obama will remove existing conditions from Health insurance?

How about - I will END pork by refusing to sign any bill with non-related items tacked onto it (propose a bill with JUST wooden arrowheads and see if THAT passes). I will not raise taxes, but I will remove some tax breaks for the extremely wealthy (not $200ks, more like the 500ks). I will remove Billions in programs that do not work (regardless of their PC standings). I will NOT borrow a single cent from a foreign country. I would PAY BACK every loan we have with a foreign country. I will set up a health insurance program only as a last resort for people who do not have health insurance at work and have tried to get it privately and can’t afford it or were denied (and will need to show proof of these things) and to take care of people on welfare and with serious disability (not the lazy)I will give businesses HUGE tax breaks for supplying health care to all of their workers (making it worth the while of Wal Mart and the like to insure their 30 hour a week people too - as well as the mom and pop with three employees) And I would tell the people that they will HAVE TO sacrifice to get us back on track.

Isn’t that what being a fiscal conservative should be about?

Hate to say that Obama may have a better grasp on this stuff based on last night.

By catlady

October 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

I am surprised he didn’t say “That BOY”!

In terms of substance and a grasp of reality, Obama won, hands down.

Americans are tired of the crap we have been handed for 8 years. To paraphrase George Carlin, “We need new crap!”

By Peter

October 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, to assume increased spending cannot occur with tax cuts is a gross misinterpretation and simplification of the issue. Additionally, Obama is cutting more than he is spending….Look at the plan. McCain did not come close to getting the performance he needed.

By foxdog

October 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Obama is going to get elected. I pray this country can survive the 4 years he will be in office. I have no doubt he will be turned out after the 4 year return to the Carter years, which the vast majority of his supporters don’t remember or have conveniently forgotten.

By Frost

October 8, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Conclusion: No real winner or loser. Few of the undecided likely heard anything to push them one way or another.

If u were watching foxnews like i was,the focus group comprising independents,repugs and demos in virginia had Obama the winner.They explained that Obama explained issues better.On CNN,same thing.They had a focus group in Ohio.Obama came tops.On MSNBC they had a focus group in Philadelphia and again,Obama was the winner.

Spin it any way you want WOOTEN defeat is starring you in the face. THAT ONE, AND PALING’S TERROSISTS OBAMA CHANTS will not save your party!!!

By Frost

October 8, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Sure, Jim - I still don’t know how you write this stuff. You should really know what you’re talking about before you metaphorically open your mouth:

Thank you Reader110

Its called DENIAL

By NJ voter

October 8, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

I think it was obvious that Obama won the debate. I have a lot of respect for McCain as a veteran which is why I was disappointed to hear him resort to phrases such as, “This one.” He was very condescending and in my opinion appeared desperate.
As far as the issues go McCain’s healthcare plan is a $5,000 tax credit….That isn’t going to get anyone healthcare coverage. I also am not ready to give up on social security. Why should we just accept that a worker today will not receive the same benefits as someone currently receiving social security? That doesn’t sound like a “Maverick” to me. Obama is a big question mark but at least he is bringing in some new ideas and some hope. I rather take a chance with a Obama than support someone who consistantly voted in line with the current administration.
I don’t even want to get started on Palin. She makes me very uncomfortable. “Gosh darn it” and winking at the camera…..Are you kidding me? She didn’t even have a passport until last year. She’s just a bad joke and an obvious McCain “blunder.”

By Edie

October 8, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Jim, you have nothing to say about McCain’s plan for the U.S. Gov’t to reward/bailout mortgage defaulter’s? Who wouldn’t want the government to pay off their mortgage, reappraise the value, and then sell it back to the very same owner at the lower value, and with a lower interest rate?

By Peter

October 8, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Somebody Please tell us how McCain will cut taxes and Build Nuclear Power Plants ?

If every person in America is on their own against the insurance companies as McCain suggests how is that a better deal ?

By Goldie

October 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

John McBush once again showed America that he is unfit for the presidency — anyone in the US Senate who calls another Senator “That one!” doesn’t deserve to be in the Senate, much less the White House.

By slt

October 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

I have no clue what the heck you were looking at Jim, but you must be blind, deaf and dumb if you think McCain and Palin have anything sensible to say.

By Goldie

October 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

And I see a new bumper sticker being printed very soon:

That One 08!

By Goldie

October 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

I wonder how McBush thinks he can win a state like FLA when his “first priority” if elected is to cut Medicare benefits:

McCain Wants To Cut Medicare By $1.3 Trillion

By candide

October 8, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

McCain is a swine.

By David

October 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

As a fellow war veteran, I do respect McCain, but I fear his own desperate bid for the Presidency has turned him against his own principles. He is no longer a man I could vote for, not only for his hypocrisy, but for the fact that if he died, we’d have someone even more idiotic and dangerous than Bush and Cheney put together in one seat of power.

By bearcasey

October 8, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

I like John McCain but he looked very old and tired. Not what America needs.

By Devastator

October 8, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

I thought the differences between John McCain and me were pretty clear tonight.

I will fight for the middle class every day, and — once again — Senator McCain didn’t mention the middle class a single time during the debate.

If you agree that we need to cut taxes for 95% of working families, reduce health care costs, and end the war in Iraq responsibly, then I need your help right now.

And if you heard John McCain push more of the same discredited policies, including tax cuts for the wealthy and giant corporations, tax increases on health care, and continuing to spend $10 billion a month in Iraq, then now is the time to act.

Four weeks from tonight, we’ll know which of us will be the next president.

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Thank you,

Barack

By Scholar

October 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

NJ Voter,

That about sums it up for me.

By Do the Math

October 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Jim: Actually, McCain lost this debate as well. Not a big loss but he did not do as well as he did in the first one. Don’t belive me? Wait for the polls to show a continual slid in Obama’s favor.

By Republicans R Crooks

October 8, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

Hey, Idiot of the AJCURINAL: The ajcurinal poll shows 70% of readers now agree Obama won….Ya know, these wootenheads ain’t too bright or honest…ah wouldn’t hire one to sweep out the public bathrooms fer fear they would botch the job, and steal the toilet paper…then write on the wall what a wonderful honest job they had done…

By dirty harry

October 8, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

McCain who has lived off of his Grandpa, and fathers stature for all of his life, is finally ( after at least three airplane crashes) going to realize an impact that he will not recover from!

Go home (to one of your EIGHT houses) old man! You are a study in anger management for a Pysch 101 class!

The military man…who scored a D rating from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America for his votes against veterans’ priorities. The grade makes McCain one of only four Senators to fall on IAVA’s “D List” — and marks a repeat performance for him, after receiving a “D” for his 109th congressional voting record as well.

“Thankfully,” the IAVA writes, “the Senate voted forcefully, 55-42, to kill” the Graham-McCain proposal.

Nice going Lindsey (the fake colonel) and John…

By Devastator

October 8, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

Yesterday, millions of Americans learned the details about John McCain, his political patron Charles Keating, and their role in the last major financial crisis and taxpayer-financed bailout of our time.

The truth makes it even clearer why a senior McCain adviser admitted to a reporter, “If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.”

But it’s not enough to merely inform voters — we’ve got to turn them out to vote.

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Watch our latest strategy update video and consider giving a day of your time to help turn out the vote in the crucial four days leading up to the election:

While we’re focused on persuading and turning out voters, John McCain has given up talking about the issues that are central to this election — especially the economy. Instead, he’s running the most negative presidential campaign in modern history.

In the past few days, we’ve seen the beginning of a major offensive that McCain is about to launch, filled with distortions, personal attacks, and flat-out lies about Barack.

But you can help fight back by getting involved at the grassroots level — knocking on doors, making phone calls, and talking to undecided voters about what really matters in this election.

Commit at least one day to make sure Barack gets the votes we need to win:

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Thanks for everything you’re doing,

David

David Plouffe Campaign Manager Obama for America

By zeke

October 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Critical thinking! Here it is! Obama, the liberal socialist rock star, only wants to increase taxes to further the socialist agenda of taking money from those who are successful and the giving it to those who are only takers, a drain on the economy and have no intention of being a part of the system, only taking from it! If you take money from those who have worked, used their intelligence, risk their money and persevere, then, who will provide the opportunities for new jobs? The government? GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE JOBS, IT ONLY LAKES UP WORK TO SPEND MONEY IT CONFISCATE FROM HARD WORKING TAXPAYERS!!!

NO LIBERAL SOCIALIST MARXIST DEMOCRATS NEVER AGAIN EVER!!

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

spamalert @ 9:51

By Republicans R Crooks

October 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

When asked who he would nominate for Sec Treasury, McCain almost answered “My dear friend, Charles Keating.”

By Devastator

October 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

spamalert@ 9:56

By Scott

October 8, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

God, what idiots post on these boards…Both sides of the aisle

By fearless fosdik

October 8, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this

By zeke

October 8, 2008 9:53 AM

ZEKE..you wrote this… “GOVERNMENT CANNOT CREATE JOBS, IT ONLY LAKES UP WORK TO SPEND MONEY IT CONFISCATE FROM HARD WORKING TAXPAYERS!!!”

Beyond your mispellings … and, gibberish.

You’re dead wrong…The economy creates jobs, and the economy is the engine that creates jobs…In essence the GOVERNMENT!

Take a ride down memory lane when Bill Clinton was president …. Remember peace and prosperity…and, about 20 million new jobs?

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Oh rub e dub dub…two men in a tub …with something like a debate. The debate was not a thriller but it showed the STRONG MAN and that man was McCAIN.

Debonair is nice. Tall and slim is nice. Big smiles are nice. Ivy league is nice. Rapt attention is nice. But that alone does not make a STRONG MAN capable of leading America.

OBAMA knew how to play TOY SOLDIER. With the real thing, he’s LOST. He adds entitlements of every kind, in fact he listed them. But he is going to CUT SPENDING. Obama is going to CHANGE Washington but he hasn’t made a mark there in his short four years experience. His decision makers wil be Barney Frank, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Shumer, Waxman, Boxer, Sharpton. Maybe Murtha will head up the military he has betrayed. That is the group that comes with Obama. The Washington Zoo could come up with a better crowd.

So, you liberals also plan to inject racism into a harmless comment. Why throw hate into a mixture when it isn’t there? We have had eight years of Bush hate from Democrats. Are you going to start another kind in this election? Might as well get started. Right, Democrats??

Rub e dub dub…Two men in a tub. Let’s hope the winner does not flub the dub!! (It’s a nursery rhyme, folks! Relax!)

By D.S. Brown

October 8, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

blog.2rulesof3.com

Sometimes this thing is a mess. It did not capture my post from this morning. So I’ll try again.

GAGRUNT, I hope you are back online. First, allow me to say that I’m glad to know that you have a B.S., and whatever other degree you meant to mention. Also, allow me to say I sincerely respect your service to our nation. I place our military in high regard.

First, allow me to apologize for being too strident. I know the high school comment crossed the line. It was late and I was being passionate. Your Palin comment really shocked me. Still, I have to say that you didn’t do as I requested. Perhaps it was my approach. Maybe I should not have been so direct. Please, let us both be reasonable. Before responding do go look at the platforms. Judge McCain vs. Obama not on half-truths and propaganda. I’m only asking you to vote based on what you discern with the gift God gave you, your Critical Thinking mind. Please go read my blog for a clarification of my position.

BLOG.2RULESOF3.COM

Allow me to say that I’m a strong fiscal conservative, and a responsible social liberal. I do believe some people need and should receive sincere support up to a point. Before they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps they need to be shown where the bootstrap is. I don’t know about you GAgrunt but my household income is below $250,000. Perhaps you’re wealthy and don’t need the larger tax break. I consider myself wealthy, but I would still like Obama’s larger tax break. I’m working on early retirement despite the economic upheavel. I save aggressively, spend stringently, and I’m diversified. I would like to keep more of my money, but maybe that’s just me. I lean to Obama on this. It’s one of the things that first attracted me to his plan.

Point of order, they both want to increase spending. There’s no spin on this. Check out the proposals. How do you think McCain would plan on paying for the mortgage bailout he proposed last night, as well as all those Nuclear Power plants? Let’s just go ahead and say subsidies.

EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG PLEASE UNDERSTAND ONE THING. TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOES WORK, ONLY IF YOU DON’T INCREASE SPENDING AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU RAISE TAXES. It’s not hard people. Actually, it’s common sense.

As for Palin, I said nothing that was sexist. I did not mean to insult. What is clear? It’s clear that Sarah Palin would be extremely challenged in thinking both tactically and strategically when pitted against a ex-KGB master spy, cold-war strategist, and hard-eyed Black Belt Judo master. I’m being serious here. You said she’s an excellent leader. I’m not doubting her ability to inspire and motivate. That is a huge component when it comes to leading. However, in today’s dynamic world we need people that can think critically. Ideally we would want someone who can motivate, build consensus, be critically decisive, be open to advisement, and change course when prudent. From the military perspective, McCain is in front. However, in my mind next is Biden, then Obama, and Palin isn’t even on deck. I think you know that combat cannot be prosecuted by committee. You know as well as I that this was our failing in Vietnam. We need people that can think critically, and be decisive. In today’s modern world it’s not enough that our leaders make us feel good and pander to our baser instincts. Please do check out my blog to understand my position. I appreciate your commentary and I respect your right to disagree. Let’s continue to engage in constructive conflict. Keep it positive. After all, that’s what the American ideal is all about.

blog.2rulesof3.com

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

Oh OH…a poll!! A POLL! MY kingdom for a POLL!!

Democrats think they are on a roll when they read a POll.

They know exactly what to think when they are TOLD!!

I hate to tell them ‘cause it’s getting OLD.

The VOTING BOOTH is where it’s TOLD.

And Dems, it is for you that the bell doth TOLL!!

(Dear Captain, am I not on a roll???)

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Dear Fosdik @ 10:15, you err - government has never created the first job, other than make-work stuff. Government produces no good and no service. It’s only competent function is to destroy.

Now there are people who need to be killed - our noble military performs that work with admirable dispatch. There are people, sociopaths mostly, who need to be locked away from society, and our states do a reasonably good job there, erring mostly on the side of locking away too many. Government does a pretty good job confiscating private wealth. But that’s about all we can say that is good about the government. It’s mostly bad.

By getalife

October 8, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry Jim, it will still be close. Never underestimate the ignorance of the American people and John is gambling on that.

Too bad they did not have the guts to tell us we are back to daddy bush’s recession where the market will drop accordingly.

By Sensible American

October 8, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

Sure, I’ll trust all of your comments and vote McCain in…why not! You are the same people that voted for Bush not once, but TWICE…. As W once said, “There’s an old…saying in Tennessee…I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says Fool me once… Shame on…Shame on you…….Fool me…Can’t get fooled again.”

By Sensible American

October 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Sure, I’ll trust all of your comments and vote McCain in…why not! You are the same people that voted for Bust not once, but TWICE…. As W once said, “There’s an old…saying in Tennessee…I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says Fool me once… Shame on…Shame on you…….Fool me…Can’t get fooled again.”

By Steven d.

October 8, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Not matter what McCain does or has done, the huge mistake he made, Palin, will be impossible to overcome. He needs to save us some time and concede now. Its pitiful.

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this

Dear Sensible American, 10:50

I gather you did not get fooled and vote for Clinton the Impeached, not once but twice?

By mad08

October 8, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

I don’t necessarily like either candidate, I wish this country would had better leaders. To me McCain sounds honest, however I don’t feel he would make the top of the 21st US president. Obama speaks very “pretty”, expresses himself very well, but that doesn’t mean he would make a good president at all. There are a lot of people who speak very high class and are not running from president. In my opinion he is all about politics, doesn’t sound honest to me. He says what people like to hear. He didn’t agree going in Irak but now he is saying that we need to not allow weapons of mass distruction and would go after those country who have them. When Bush went into Irak he believed that they had them. Obama criticized this at the time, but now he is willing to go after them. Does he wants to appear like he is a good leader? If he trying to compete with McCain’s knowledge of war? He is now also willing to go after Pakistan? He wants to go look for Osama Binlanden, we have been doing this for 8 years and had not been able to find him. Now he is declaring war but before he was disagreeing with the war. After McCain said we need to save money, now he is also saying he wants to save money, but he is also saying that we have to help people and countries that needed to avoid a gene size. How can we be talking about helping other countries when we need to save. One can’t do both at one time. On healthcare his ad is common sense. If it is common sense what had happened to all the presidents we had so far. Increase taxes on those who make more than $250th. Great I am not in that category but I am afraid that this people would start increasing their good and services to people like me to cover their tax increase. In the long run we all pay for that tax increase. This whole healthcare and taxes issue sounds very much like Socialism. Obama—I am afraid if he were to become president. The economy issue is not the republicans who cause the problems it has been the democrats all along and we all have to pay for it. I don’t like him pointing fingers to the republicans. He has work hard to get to where he is now but he is in the wrong place.

By Sensible American

October 8, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Sure, I’ll trust all of your comments and vote McCain in…why not! You are the same people that voted for Bush not once, but TWICE…. As W once said, “There’s an old…saying in Tennessee…I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says Fool me once… Shame on…Shame on you…….Fool me…Can’t get fooled again.”

By Sensible American

October 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

Sure, I’ll trust all of your comments and vote McCain in…why not! You are the same people that voted for Bush not once, but TWICE…. As W once said, “There’s an old…saying in Tennessee…I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says Fool me once… Shame on…Shame on you…….Fool me…Can’t get fooled again.”

By Heather

October 8, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Believe it or not, I was listening to Rush when this conversation took place. I am so excited to actually see these pictures.

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: Fw: Bet ya didn’t hear about this on ABCNBCCBSMSNBCCNN

Enjoy.

Subject: Bet ya didn’t hear about this on ABCNBCCBSMSNBCCNN

Transcript from the 9Sep08 Rush Limbaugh radio program. Pictures at the end.

Family with Down Syndrome Child Meets John McCain and Sarah Palin

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Kurt in Pittsburgh, hello, sir. Nice to have you on the EIB Network, and how about the Steelers defense?

CALLER: How about those Steelers, huh?

RUSH: How about that?

CALLER: Hey, listen, Rush, longtime listener, first-time caller, one of those Bible, family, gun clingers from western Pennsylvania.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: And I wanted to share a story with you. A week ago last Saturday we went to the Palin-McCain rally in Washington, Pennsylvania, was the day after he announced her, and we have a five-year-old daughter with Down syndrome, and we made a sign that said: ‘We Love Kids with Down Syndrome.’ So when they pulled in in their bus the sign did catch their, McCain and Palin and the rest of their family, it caught their eye, we could tell, they gave us a thumbs-up from the bus, so we were all excited just by that —

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait. Who gave you the thumbs up, McCain and Palin?

CALLER: McCain, Palin, Cindy McCain, we could see them from the bus. We were in a position where we had eye contact with them —

RUSH: Oh, cool!

CALLER: My wife was holding our daughter.

RUSH: Very, very, very cool.

CALLER: It was really cool, Rush. I was like, ‘Wow, that’s awesome,’ because I love Governor Palin and so I thought that’s really neat. So then we moved around as the bus was getting ready to pull out, we kind of positioned ourselves so we could just wave them on and a Secret Service agent came up to us and said, ‘Hey, can you come with us?’ I was like, ‘Do we have a choice?’

RUSH: (laughing) You shouldn’t have worried. It’s not the Clinton administration.

CALLER: Right. So we accompanied them up the hill, we went right to the bus, where it was, and Governor Palin, Senator McCain, Cindy, Todd Palin, they’re all standing there. We’re in this inner circle with just us and them, and the Secret Service agent, and they came right up to us and thanked us for coming out, said they loved our sign, and Governor Palin immediately said, ‘May I hold your daughter?’ and our daughter Chloe, who’s five, went right to her, and I have some pictures I’d love to send you maybe when I’m done here, but Governor Palin was hugging Chloe, and then her little daughter brought their baby Trig who has Down syndrome from the bus, he was napping, and Chloe went right over and kissed him on the cheek, an d my son Nolan who’s nine, he thanked her.

RUSH: This is amazing.

CALLER: I will send you all the stuff, Senator McCain was talking to my son, and we thanked him for his service, and he asked my son if he wanted to see the bus, and we were hanging out and it was very surreal. I felt like we could have had a pizza and a beer with them, they were so warm.

RUSH: You know what? I want to put you on hold. I want Snerdley to give you our super-secret, known-only-to-three-people here, e-mail address.

CALLER: I will send you everything, Rush.

RUSH: And then could you send us these pictures? Would you mind if we put them on the website?

CALLER: I would be honored, and my main thing is they are warm, kind, genuine people, and they represent the best of this country.

RUSH: That’s right. And when you send these pictures, make sure you identify them. I mean, we’ll know Palin and McCain, of course. Identify yourselves.

CALLER: I will, I will identify everybody in the picture, Rush, and God bless you for being a beacon of hope and truth in this country.

RUSH: Oh, no, no. It’s nothing, it’s nothing. You’re doing the Lord’s work.

CALLER: Well, we’re very blessed and I want people to know what a blessing it is to have a child with Down syndrome. These kids, they’re angels.

RUSH: That’s the thing. There’s always good to be found in everything that happens. It may be a while before it reveals itself.

CALLER: Absolutely.

RUSH: Right, and when she hugged my daughter I said, here’s the difference, this candidate embraces life and all its limitless possibilities.

RUSH: All right.

CALLER: That’s what she is.

RUSH: Terrific, okay, I gotta run here, but I’m going to put you on hold.

CALLER: Thank you, Rush.

RUSH: Thank you, Kurt. I really appreciate it.

END TRANSCRIPT

This is just a sweet photo. Look at Cindy McCain’s reaction. I think these are truly decent and competent people. Let’s help do the job the mainstream media refuses to do. Send this around to your friends so that the positive side gets some notice.

By One Question

October 8, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

How are your tax cuts gonna pay for the WAR John?

By CommunistAJC

October 8, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

Now, for anyone who can actually think for him/herself. This is a must read from someone who actually knows how the market works. How Obama Hussein will sink prosperity in this country.

Prepare for the Worst

By Peter Ferrara

Just two weeks ago, a book on economic policy was released that will be a classic for the ages. Entitled The End of Prosperity, by Art Laffer, Steve Moore, and Peter J. Tanous, the book explains in full detail the economic disaster that will befall America if it takes a sharp left turn to neo-socialism under the leadership of the far left President Barack Obama, the ultraleft Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid with 60 liberal Democrat Senators, and their pal the ultraliberal Howard Dean heading the Democrat party.

Indeed, one of the insights of the book is that a major factor already tanking the stock market and leading foreign capital to flee America is the threat of the economic policies promised by Obama. Obama proposes increases in every major federal tax, on savers, investors, employers, small business, big business, and anyone who would start a business. Obama also promises to add additional federal spending of almost $1.5 trillion over the next four years, including a new global war on poverty in which Obama would tax Americans and send the money to the UN to spend worldwide (already introduced by Obama in legislation). That would be on top of all the spending increases already scheduled for our exploding entitlements and other programs. Obama also promises a massive increase in regulatory controls, even though government regulation is already estimated to cost America over $1 trillion per year, about $8,000 in lost output for every U.S. household. Then there is Obama’s attack on free trade and promises of protectionist trade policies that contributed so much to the Great Depression.

As the authors show, these retrograde economic policies are intellectually indefensible. They do not offer forward looking change, but would take us back to the policies of the disastrous 1970s and even worse 1930s. They would ultimately produce a deep, long term decline in America’s standard of living, particularly for the middle class and working people. America would actually fall behind countries around the world that, exactly contrary to the left wing swing of the Democrats, have been racing to adopt precisely the hugely successful Reagan supply side policies of low tax rates, less government spending, deregulation, and anti-inflation monetary policies.

The Reagan Economic Boom When President Reagan entered office in 1981, succeeding Jimmy Carter who had an overwhelmingly liberal Democrat Congress, the American economy was in shambles. Inflation had reached 11.6% in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980, a devastating 25% increase in prices in just two years. The prime interest rate had reached 21.5% in 1980, with home mortgage interest rates soon climbing as high as an absurd 14.7%. Unemployment began an upward climb during the Carter years that eventually peaked at over 10% in 1982.

The poverty rate actually started increasing in 1978 during the Carter years, eventually climbing by an astounding 33%, from 11.4% to 15.2%. A fall in real median family income that began in 1978 snowballed to a decline of almost 10% by 1982. Average real family income for the lowest income 20% declined by 14.2%. Indeed, during the Carter years (1977 to 1980), real income declined for every quintile, from the lowest 20% to the highest 20%. Real average income of U.S. households was, in fact, in a long-term decline, down rather than up from 1970 to 1980.

The Reagan economic policy to reverse this economic devastation consisted of the following:

This was the most astoundingly successful economic policy in U.S. history, turning around a rapidly declining economy into a raging economic boom. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November, 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July, 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this 7 years, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone, real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the boom, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989. Also in that year, labor force participation reached a record 66.5 percent, and a record 63 percent of the population was employed. Black labor force participation also hit a record 64.2 percent in 1989, with female labor force participation reaching an all-time record of 57.5 percent in 1990.

Real per capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% during the boom. The Carter decline in income for the bottom 20% of income earners was reversed, with average real household income for this group rising by 12.2% from 1983 to 1989. The poverty rate, which had started increasing during the Clinton years, declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak.

The shocking rise in inflation during the Carter years was also reversed. Spectacularly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%. The prime rate was cut by two-thirds by 1987 to 8.2%, on its way down to 6.25% by 1992. New home mortgage rates also declined steadily, reaching 9.19% by 1988, on their way down to 8% by 1992. Note that opponents of the Reagan tax cuts had argued that they would increase interest rates.

The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade. Real personal assets rose by nearly $6 trillion, from $15.5 trillion in 1980 to $21.1 trillion in 1990, an increase of 36%. Total real private net worth rose by $4.3 trillion from 1980 to 1989, totaling $17.1 trillion in constant dollars, an increase of one-third.

Even with the Reagan tax cuts, total federal revenues doubled from 1980 to 1990, growing from $517.1 billion to $1,031 billion, or just over $1 trillion. In Reagan’s last budget year, fiscal 1989, the widely overballyhooed federal deficit had declined to $152.5 billion, about the same as a percent of GDP as in 1980. 2.9% compared to 2.8%. By 1989, the Soviet Union was collapsing. Reagan had won the Cold War without firing a shot, completing the most successful Presidency in U.S. history.

The 25 Year Reagan Boom Laffer et. al point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25 year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They write:

They add, “The economy in real terms is almost twice as large today as it was in the late 1970s.” Moreover:

In addition, “A poor family in 1979 was more likely to be rich by the early 1990s than to still be poor.” The authors cite a Congressional Budget Office study, backed up by a later Treasury Department study, finding that “from 1994 to 2004 Americans in the bottom 20 percent of income actually had the highest increase in incomes.” The authors continue,

Or, as Nobel Prize winning economic historian Robert Fogel wrote in 2004, “In every measure that we have bearing on the standard of living…the gains of the lower classes have been far greater than those experienced by the population as a whole.” Under Reaganomics, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten richer too.

The Kennedy Tax Cuts Reagan was not the first or the last to adopt sweeping tax cuts to boost the economy. It has happened four, perhaps five, times in the last century, with virtually the same results every time. One of these was adopted under President John F. Kennedy, who cut the top tax rate from 91% to 70%, seeking as well a 30% across the board rate cut for everyone else. Compared to national income and the total budget, the Kennedy tax cut was three times larger than the Bush tax cut, which only reduced the top tax rate a measly 4.6 percentage points from 39.6% to 35%. Kennedy said,

Kennedy also said, “It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today, and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the tax rates….[A]n economy constrained by high tax rates will never produce enough revenue to balance the budget, just as it will never create enough jobs or profits.”

In response to the Kennedy tax cuts, the economy grew by 10% in just 2 years, with the annual economic growth rate increasing by 50%. More than 1 million jobs were created in the following 4 years, and unemployment fell to its lowest peacetime level in more than 30 years. Federal income tax revenues grew by 41% during those 4 years, with U.S News and World Report saying, “The unusual budget spectacle of sharply rising revenues following the biggest tax cut in history is beginning to astonish even those who pushed hardest for tax cuts in the first place.”

The End of Prosperity Laffer et al. explain why they think the end is now near:

Obama promises across the board tax increases, America’s corporate tax rates are already the second highest in the industrialized world, prices are already rising and the dollar is declining, America is turning its back on free trade, the federal budget is already spiraling out of control and entitlements threaten far worse, regulations already strangle energy production, producing high energy costs for the economy, cap and trade global warming regulations threaten to shut the economy down, unions calling for legal powers to force unionization, the left campaigns for costly but low quality socialized medicine, these are all indicators of a fatal economic heart attack for America. Laffer et al. explain what is behind the current financial crisis:

The threatened left-wing economic policies are all the more dangerous now because the rest of the world has shifted so sharply towards much lower tax rates and free markets, threatening to leave America in the dust as an uncompetitive wasteland mired in nostalgia for socialism. Since Reagan, income tax rates across the industrialized world have been cut by more than one-third, and corporate tax rates have been reduced by one-half. The flat tax has been adopted in 24 countries. Putin adopted a 13% rate for Russia that raises more revenue than the former system with a 50% top rate. From 1978 to 1998, China reduced its tax burden by two-thirds. A recent study found that “supply-side” countries that have cut their tax rates almost in half since the 1990s have grown three times as fast as countries that have raised taxes since that time.

It is, frankly, obvious that lower tax rates increase incentives for economic growth and productive activity, and that higher tax rates reverse such incentives. Nor is it hard to understand that increasing regulatory costs will slow the economy while reducing such costs will expand it. Obviously, ample supplies of low cost energy will help the economy, shortages of high cost energy will kill it. High government spending is clearly not good for the economy, lower government spending is. We know how to create an economic boom, and we know what policies will lead to economic disaster. The Left denies these obvious truths only because it craves more government power. If America does not wake up to what is happening, there will be much suffering through a long dark night.

Peter Ferrara serves as Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation, and General Counsel of the American Civil Rights Union. He formerly served in President Reagan’s White Office of Policy Development, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under the first President Bush. He is a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School.

By GayGrayGeek

October 8, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Esuire - if you consider Devastor’s stuff to be spam, then you MUST concede that Commie’s stuff is the entire dang pig.

By CommunistAJC

October 8, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

GayGrayGeek, Keep on repeating that as your pink slip is handed to you. Then again, you sound like a person who wants the government to take care of them.

By Jennifer

October 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

I would love to read a non-biased opinion of the debate. There is just no point in deciding a winner because if McCain would have thrown cheese at the moderator you probably would have said that it was a bold move and clearly made him the winner.

The winner of these debates will be announced November 5th!

By Obama for President

October 8, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

CrazyPeeps…sir..go buy a dictionary or put your “stuff” in spell check first. I have to read through things you post twice because your sentences are put together so poorly and your spelling is worse…Sounding uneducated does nothing for your “opinion”. You try to sound convincing and didn’t apparently pass English 101.

Oh….vote Obama

By Fred

October 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

I personally can’t believe that McCain would stand there and let Obama repeat that “I won’t raise your taxes if you make less than $250k” line without challenging his letting the Bush tax cuts expire. Sure, Obama won’t raise your taxes, he’ll just let them go up. And up and up…

Then again, I can’t believe that McCain would say he’s going to hold the line on spending and then propose $300 billion in mortgage buyouts. Yuck.

By atlpaddy

October 8, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Question: Who said the following two statements:

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

“… I won’t be buried under their damn flag,”

Answer: For all you winger nuts who screamed “Ayers!,” guess what? YOU ARE WRONG.

It was Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party and BFF’rs of Todd and Sarah Palin. Vogler (who was born and raised in Kansas, btw) was killed in a a supposed plastic explosives sale gone bad. Why did he need plastic explosives, you may ask? Good Question. Vogler hated the United States so much he requested to be buried in Canada.

If Sarah Palin wants to talk about associations with domestic terrorists, then she’s got some explainin’ to do.

By Oh! Oh! Oh!

October 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

I know! Let me! It was that guy that Sarah and Todd Palin like to “pal around with!” They were PALS!

Does that mean the Palins hate America too?

By Obama for President

October 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Jennifer - if you should happen to find anything factual instead of “opinion” on the debates, please let us all know. It is really hard to read some of what these 1st graders are posting on this website. It would be easier to sort through the information if people would quit taking cheap shots at each other and stop the name calling. And apparently some of them are quite the professional bullies.

The election will determine what is going to happen. In the meantime, what has been going on obviously isn’t working. It is broke. It needs to be fixed. Senator McCain is just a Bush protege. Same song, second verse. No fixing there. None.

So, what choices are left? Contine with the mass destruction we are currently suffering. Not the politicians mind you..they are usually rich people. It is us, the ones arguing and calling names that are suffering. And yet we just continue to behave in a non-constructive way. So maybe, just maybe, it IS in fact time to change what is going on toward the future. Because let’s face it, there doesn’t seem to be anything good on the horizon now and John McCain wants to lead the charge to the horizon.

By Captain Freedom

October 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this

A Captain Kudo to Ragweed for declaring, by ommission from his discourse on the only things government is good for, that the roads and water supply networks created by the dastards of government are of absolutley no use, and pale in comparison to the private roads and water supplies that we rely upon every day.

Good on you, sir, for absorbing your Ayn Rand lessons so thoroughly.

Doctrinaire dementia…it is the Right Thing.

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

Atiaddy @12:20

Good grief!! Didn’t you get the word from Dem Headquarters that they are not using that junk line any more? Sarah Palin NEVER belonged to such an organization. Her husband tried it briefly and LEFT IT.

Are you a member of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?? Hmmmm The KKK?? hmmmmm The Communist Party? hmmmmmm WeatherMen Underground????? Ah ha! You don’t mind if I ASSOCIATE YOUR NAME WITH THEM, DO YOU?

I bet you READ their pamphlets. THEREFORE you are guilty as SIN!! Yes, sir! Now, sir, what is YOUR association with domestic terrorists? ‘Fess up ‘cause YOU HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO!

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

That guy was looking at MCShame when he came close to him like what is he doing all up in my face. Plain I mean Palin tells Joe let’s not look back , let’s go forward and she brings up stuff that happen over 40 years ago. But if anybody still to this day says anything about her they will be accused of being sexist but yet she is wearing Obama name out.

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

That guy was looking at MCShame when he came close to him like what is he doing all up in my face. Plain I mean Palin tells Joe let’s not look back , let’s go forward and she brings up stuff that happen over 40 years ago. But if anybody still to this day says anything about her they will be accused of being sexist but yet she is wearing Obama name out.

By Toyc

October 8, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this

Go Obama! This man has morals and I do believe we are forgetting that. McCain has no morals. He had an affair on his wife for a year and left her for Cindy. But oh that’s okay with you people. You would rather have an unmoral person in the white house than a bright, articulate, moral person. America is a colorful place let’s remember that!!!!

By atlpaddy

October 8, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Question: Who said the following two statements:

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government.”

“… I won’t be buried under their damn flag,”

Answer: For all you winger nuts who screamed “Ayers!,” guess what? YOU ARE WRONG.

It was Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party and BFF’rs of Todd and Sarah Palin. Vogler (who was born and raised in Kansas, btw) was killed in a a supposed plastic explosives sale gone bad. Why did he need plastic explosives, you may ask? Good Question. Vogler hated the United States so much he requested to be buried in Canada.

If Sarah Palin wants to talk about associations with domestic terrorists, then she’s got some explainin’ to do.

By Brad

October 8, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

McCain did great in the debate like night. Although there was not that moment, McCain still came out of the debate very well. McCain still has a chance to pull ahead of Obama and win the election even though he is behind in some polls. People will come to their senses and realize that Obama is not experience, and is scary when it comes to national security. McCain did well on the economic questions and he did well on the foreign affair questions, the two things that are most important to the american people at the moment. Last night was a win for McCain.

By Soulfinger

October 8, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Exploiting sick children….how sad.

By Ga Values

October 8, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Saxby’s Bailout Wall Street includes bailing out Foreign Banks. That Lobbyist sure earned his money

SEC. 112. COORDINATION WITH FOREIGN AUTHORITIES AND CENTRAL BANKS.

The Secretary shall coordinate, as appropriate, with foreign financial authorities and central banks to work toward the establishment of similar programs by such authorities and central banks. To the extent that such foreign financial authorities or banks hold troubled assets as a result of extending financing to financial institutions that have failed or defaulted on such financing, such troubled assets qualify for purchase under Section 101.

By His Pants are On FIRE

October 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this

Barak Obama’s 50 Lies and Counting:

Posted on Political forum.com - Elections and Campaigns

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 a.m. according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don’t Have Lobbyists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

By Ga Values

October 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

Ragnar Danneskjöld

Did you find a reputable link that proves Paulson is a Democrat?? I don’t doubt you just want to use it.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Dear GGG @ 12:11, I am embarrassed to admit that I have never seen a post by Communist that was a cut and paste from a fund raiser, but I would concede your point were that the case.

I think your real point is that you think Communist never posts any interpretation, just the cut and paste? I thought I remembered substantial comment there also, but I could be wrong. As to our friend Devastator, he/she never posts a thought, just the cut and paste from the fund raiser. Totally vacuous. Ought to indict Devastator for CAN-SPAM.

By Jim is a caveman

October 8, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

Go to www.newsmeat.com and search under ceo political contributions for Henry Paulson. That will provide proof that Paulson has donated over $330K to Republican office seekers and the National Committee and just over $13k to Democrats from 1998 to 2006. There is no credible link to show he was a Democrat because he was not one.

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon Ga Values. Why would I rely on internet for such a question? Just look at who he is, what he believes, where he has been. Has Goldman Sachs ever even employed a Republican, much less made one its chairman? (You are aware who were the three chairmen immediately preceding Mr. Paulson? All good men, but his bosses have always been leftists.) If you insist on using internet, look into his charities - not exactly an NRA or Federalist type, if you get my drift.

By Dem Shenanigans

October 8, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - The son of a Democratic Tennessee state lawmaker pleaded not guilty Wednesday to hacking the e-mail account of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Lock up the mop-headed liberal bum and throw away the key. A Democrat, the son of a Tennessee Democrat politician, hacked Palin’s email. So typical of the dirtballs on the left. If a Republican had done this to Biden, we’d never hear the end of it in the media. Funny how they hide things like this, no?

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon Caveman. I also know that Paulson controlled the Goldman Sachs PAC; Republicans need not apply. I do think the Goldman Sachs people have a history of being equal opportunity bribers, so I would hope Paulson made some contributions to those excluded by the PAC.

Distantly related, did you notice the AIG information, regarding Goldman Sachs’s exposure to AIG in the event AIG had not been bailed out by the government? Follow the money trail.

By Dem Shenanigans

October 8, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Pants, don’t forget all of Biden’s lies. You won’t find the media exposing them, which is why the new media/pajama media is ripping on user website hits. Look for a full Dem liberal government in Washington to silence the “new media” as well as talk radio, just like the good little Stalinists they are.

By The Truth

October 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

The time for McCain was in 2000 but the right-wingers got caught up in Bush’s psuedo-Christian BS and the dirty tricks of Karl Rove (let’s not forget the smaer campaign launched in South Carolina to bring to that attention that McCain has an adopted daughter of gasp a different race). And don’t get riled up Bible thumpers, I said Bush’s Christianity is a fake Christianity. You nominated and elected a chicken hawk like Bush over a legitimate war veteran and former POW. You didn’t think McCain was qualified compared to Bush to be the republican nominee in 2000 and NOW you want to say he is qualified to be president?

As far as the debate, almost all of the McCain backers are calling it a tie while most of the Obama backers are calling it a win, so who do you think lost the debate last night? ;-) In a prize fight, you can’t beat the champion by decision, you’ve got to knock them out. No knock out, Obama wins. You might as well get used to that phrase “OBAMA WINS”

By Peter

October 8, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

Fact Check: Did Obama get second-most money from Freddie and Fannie? Posted: 10:30 PM ET

The Statement: At a presidential debate Tuesday, October 7 in Nashville, Tennessee, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats resisted regulating mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which ultimately collapsed and had to be taken over by the government. “Meanwhile, they were getting all kinds of money in campaign contributions. Sen. Obama was the second-highest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac money in history — in history,” he said.

Get the facts!

The Facts: Federal law forbids candidates from receiving money directly from companies. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics tracks donations from employees of various companies. The center’s list of contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees places Obama second. Ahead of him is Sen. Chris Dodd, Democratic chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.

The total listed for Obama is $126,349 — a tiny fraction of the approximately $390 million his campaign has raised, according to the center. The list shows McCain has received a total of $21,550 from Fannie and Freddie employees. The list includes donations of at least $200 from those who receive paychecks from Fannie and Freddie. It also includes donations from political action committees — pooled contributions from employees.

The report spans from 1989-2008 — just a portion of the time since Fannie Mae went private in 1968 and Freddie Mac was created in 1970.

The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from “directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac” for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list — using figures from the Federal Election Commission — shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000.

VERDICT: Misleading. No donations actually came from the companies. One method of measuring employee contributions does put Obama second overall, but another, for the current election cycle, shows McCain receiving significantly more.

GEE…….. McCain actually received more money from Freddy Mac, and Fanny Mae……

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Caveman, from a larger view, can you or anyone articulate any republican value championed by Mr. Paulson? Remember, this is the guy who totally alienated the republcan caucus before the first bailout vote - not exactly a mark of respect. President Bush had 70 votes before the Paulson talk, and only 20 thereafter. I respectfully submit that our conservatives in the house represent the hearts and brains of republicans. Mr. Paulson does not qualify.

By The Truth

October 8, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

The time for McCain was in 2000 but the right-wingers got caught up in Bush’s psuedo-Christian BS and the dirty tricks of Karl Rove (let’s not forget the smaer campaign launched in South Carolina to bring to that attention that McCain has an adopted daughter of gasp a different race). And don’t get riled up Bible thumpers, I said Bush’s Christianity is a fake Christianity. You nominated and elected a chicken hawk like Bush over a legitimate war veteran and former POW. You didn’t think McCain was qualified compared to Bush to be the republican nominee in 2000 and NOW you want to say he is qualified to be president?

As far as the debate, almost all of the McCain backers are calling it a tie while most of the Obama backers are calling it a win, so who do you think lost the debate last night? ;-) In a prize fight, you can’t beat the champion by decision, you’ve got to knock them out. No knock out, Obama wins. You might as well get used to that phrase “OBAMA WINS”

By BigQinMarietta

October 8, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

Everyone has and can freely express their opinion. That’s the beauty of being an American citizen. I think, whomever you support as a candidate, we the people can all agree that we need to unify. That is, come together and reject divide and conquer, swift-boat, attack politics. Those techniques worked in the past and should be left there. This is the 21st century. White and Black Americans are fighting and dying shoulder to shoulder in the middle east. The McCain campaign has been deplorable, dispicable, and insulting. Obama isn’t totally clean, but he has simply been better and is the best choice for these times.

By Jim is a caveman

October 8, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this

The money trail may explain why Paulson was such a big fan of bailouts, but it doesn’t lead me to the conclusion that he was a democrat. If he had been, the bipartisan nature of the appointment would have been trumpeted all over the place at the time he got the job. A ratio of roughly 25-1 for contributions in favor of Republicans pretty clearly makes him a Republican.

By Question Authority

October 8, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Peter! I was watching Fox “news” this morning to hear their entertaining spin on what I saw, when they did their “true/false” bit on that claim. Funny, they said, “This is true” instead of breaking down the money, explaining it was from employees, not the company, and that McCain actually received MORE. Apparently Murdoch’s prostitutes have no problem lying as long as there’s a market a for it.

By Brian77

October 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this

RE: post at 1:22; blah blah Rove..blah blah..psuedo-Christian..blah blah..chickenhawk..blah blah blah. Such typical original thinking from an Obamanite lib.

Speaking of which, if you ever come across a wingnut lib Obamanite voter fraud denier, just forward this information—ACORN ring a bell to anyone? Dirty, Dirty, Dirty.

By ADRIENNE PACKER and MOLLY BALL REVIEW-JOURNAL

State authorities on Tuesday raided an organization that registers low-income people to vote, alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities.

The secretary of state’s office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November’s general election.

“Some of these (forms) were facially fraudulent; we basically had the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys,” Secretary of State Ross Miller said. “Tony Romo is not registered to vote in Nevada. Anyone trying to pose as Terrell Owens won’t be able to cast a ballot.”

Agents with the secretary of state and state attorney general offices served a search warrant on the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, at 953 E. Sahara Ave. shortly after 9 a.m. They seized voter registration forms and computer databases to determine how many fake forms were submitted and identify employees who were responsible.

They also sought information regarding current and past employees and managers.

“We don’t know how many (falsified forms) are here; there may be two, or there may be thousands,” said Bob Walsh, spokesman for the secretary of state’s office.

Registration fraud typically stems from workers striving to meet their daily quota of submitted voter forms, Miller said.

By annie

October 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

I found it quite amusing when McCain told an audience member that if they wanted to purchase a healthcare plan in another state because it’s cheaper - that was just idiotic - ever hear of out of network costs?? Usually that happens anytime you travel outside of your state/area.

Also - when I switched jobs and had to take on individual health care for a couple of months I paid almost $600 per month X 12 = $7,200 and I only get $5,000 tax rebate. I think I’ll just keep my current plan with my employer who happens to pay a good portion of my healthcare costs.

Plus - I don’t really think I can afford to pay $600 per month and wait until the tax season to get a return on my taxed health care plan.

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Sherri on the View got it right when she told squirrel that McShame lack integrity when he came home from the war and left his inquired wife for Cindy. I said to myself alright now. This is getting good.

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Sherri on the View got it right when she told squirrel that McShame lack integrity when he came home from the war and left his inquired wife for Cindy. I said to myself alright now. This is getting good.

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

I wonder is McShame calling the little dark-skin girl that Cindy adopted from India, THAT ONE, or is he calling her by her first name. Inquiring minds wanna know.

By hotlanta

October 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this

I wonder is McShame calling the little dark-skin girl that Cindy adopted from India, THAT ONE, or is he calling her by her first name. Inquiring minds wanna know.

By citizen

October 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this

Practice saying President Obama. I’m a conservative but John McCain didn’t say anything last night that convinced or even indicated to me that he grasps the seriousness of our economic and global condition. Stock tip: buy pharmaceuticals (anti-depressants). Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac didn’t cause this economic meltdown; creative financing called ‘credit default swaps’ were sold as insurance against bad debts but were called ‘swaps’ and not insurance so they didn’t fall under any regulations.

By Steven d.

October 8, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

Golee, Citizen saw 60 Minutes too!

By Ga Values

October 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

By Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

“Good afternoon Ga Values. Why would I rely on internet for such a question? Just look at who he is, what he believes, where he has been. Has Goldman Sachs ever even employed a Republican, much less made one its chairman? (You are aware who were the three chairmen immediately preceding Mr. Paulson? All good men, but his bosses have always been leftists.) If you insist on using internet, look into his charities - not exactly an NRA or Federalist type, if you get my drift.”

About 15 years ago I did a lot of business with Goldman & everyone I met had a picture of Regan behind their desk. Since Paulson worked in the Nixon administration, I think he is probably a Republican. If you find out something different please let me know. This is no big deal, I am just shocked that yhere was no plan “B” for $700,000,000.00

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

hotlanta @1:58

You don’t have a mind to inquire, but I will answer anyway.

McCain’s adopted daughter is from Bangladesh, not India.

McCain might point out his child to someone and say “That one.” It is not an unusual directive.

Why wouldn’t McCain does call his child by her first name? He’s her father. What did your dad call you? BRAT?

By Markus Rosenburghmanjensen

October 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

Wooten must love these debates. He watches ‘em. Spends five minutes writing a blog post and then takes the next day off. Good work if you can get it.

By swolf4810

October 8, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

John McCain came of like a crooked funeral home director last night.

By Shrugging Atlas

October 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

It’s so great to see Dusty breaking down. In the past she had somewhat thoughtful posts, talking about issues and how her candidate was on the right side. Now it’s just mindless attempts at name calling and talking in circles, as reality sinks in. It must be hard to see the thing you’ve been so passionate about for the last year circling the drain. You have hitched your wagon to the wrong horse and now you have no legs to stand on. You should make like Palin and fade into obscurity.

By @@

October 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

I didn’t know you were open for comment on the debate Jim. If I had, I’da dropped in last night.

I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Reminded me of two dough balls, neither of which will be capable of rising to the economic bakeoff.

Manhandling dough is something I find very therapeutic but alas, I wasn’t invited to participate in the White House kitchen. I was just left with the punch down.

Ga Values:

Robert Novak tagged Paulson as a Democrat sometime last year.

Although he has contributed to Republicans (George Bush), he contributed to Bill Clinton in 1992, Democrat Bill Bradley’s 2000 presidential campaign, the feminist Emily’s List and Wall Street’s favorite Democrat, Chuck Schumer. Most of the Paulson family’s Democratic contributions come from the secretary’s wife, Wendy, who has supported Hillary Clinton.

Novak — All this was known to Bush in May 2006 when he tapped Paulson as a Treasury chief who would command respect on Wall Street. It should be no surprise then that he is regarded in his own administration as less a true Republican secretary than a transition to the next Democratic Treasury — a trademark of a lame-duck regime.

By Obama Man

October 8, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

From your rants, it would appear that you are a condecending white guy with insecurity issues. Hiding behind the Lendcrafter model from Alaska does not help your case. McCain did in fact show disrespect for Obama in his reference to “that one”. I saw it in Obama’s face as his smile disappeared but he handled it perfectly by staying on point. He will make a great President.

Obama/Biden 08

By Jim is a caveman

October 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

According to the site I mentioned above, www.newsmeat.com, the last time Paulson donated to a democrat was Bill Bradley in 1999. Since 1999, he has donated strictly to GOP candidates, including GA’s own Saxby Chambliss. He donated over $330K to GOP candidates from ‘98 to ‘06 and $13K to democrats. He is a Republican. He is a Republican. Repeat after me, he is a REPUBLICAN. Cherry picking a few democratic donations won’t make him a democrat. And please, if you want to make a credible argument, don’t cite Robert Novak, douche bag of liberty. He has no credibility.

By Bemused Humanist

October 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Has anyone seen Redneck Convert lately? I am really looking forward to his take on the semiotics of “that one” versus “those people” from the debate.

Maybe a lot of right-wingers needed extra beer today.

—B.H.

By dirty harry

October 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

DUSTY..Is that the same child that BUSH & COMPANY slimmed in SOUTH CAROLINA in 2000?

Where, Rove invented a uniquely injurious fiction for his operatives to circulate via a phony poll. Voters were asked, “Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain…if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?” This was no random slur. McCain was at the time campaigning with his dark-skinned daughter, Bridget, adopted from Bangladesh.

I’ll bet back then you were totally aghast at the implications!

Republicans eating there own……………

By G.O.

October 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

“Jim is a caveman,” why do you insist on letting facts get in the way of what neo-fascists and fake lawyers want you to believe? Facts have nothing to do with what’s “right!” Don’t you get it? THEY’LL TELL YOU what to believe (and we have, indeed, always been at war with Eurasia).

By Dire P's and Q's

October 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

BH, shouldn’t your ID be BJ?

U R 1 easily bemused monkeyboy.

McCain won the debate if you listened to it on radio. Obama won if you watched it on TV. Palin won if you viewed it on your I-phone. Biden won if you wifi’d your blackberry or bluetoothed your I-pod. This is exactly what happened in the Nixon/Kruschev kitchen debates, man.

Anyone remember when soon after 911, they closed down’s Florida’s I-75 after a fat lady claimed she had heard AL Queda operatives planning to bomb pearl harbor? Or some other such idiotic conspiracy? That’s the state the country was in, and that’s how we were so easily led into Iraq. Cheney/Bush took advantage of our grief. There is no forgiving those two.

None.

By Steven d.

October 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Obama Man, You are wrong about Dusty, she is a condescending white woman, or thereabouts.

By Rude Pundit

October 8, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

So it was that Barack Obama demonstrated, again and again, that he can’t be shaken. It was, after a while, kind of pathetic, as John McCain again and again threw 5hit at Obama, who was Zen-like in his ability to swat it all away like so many flies. One of the only honest things McCain said the entire evening was “Americans are angry, they’re upset, and they’re a little fearful.” That being so, who do you think they want to tell them it’s gonna be okay? The frantic, snapping, gnarled pseudo-dwarf or the soothing-voiced, elegant tall man? McCain was so bizarre and scary that if he had said, “Free beer for all,” it would have seemed like a threat.

At the end of the evening, McCain was a defeated man. He knew it as he got the funk off the stage as soon as possible and as Obama stayed behind to talk to individuals in the audience. In military terms, that’s called “ceding territory” or “retreat” or “surrender.”

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Dear Shrinking Atlas, 2:41

To paraphrase Mark Twain, You are a bit early on my demise.

Dullness can kill and I have waded though enough of it here to choke a horse. Canned spam, long diatribes. Now comes the ultimate in hate propaganda… RACISM when there is none! Perhaps such things do not bother you as most comes from your party where any lie seems permissable. I only “name” what I see.

I have no doubts about my candidate McCain or his choice for VP. I see an ethical strong man with vast experience who has fought for his country. At his side will be a young woman governor full of vim and vigor. That is a fine team

Your candidate Obama is movie star material where all his shadows of his past will not deter him. He does not need to take his inexperience, his associates and his socialistic philosophy to Washington. I hope he will take his great ambition to Hollywood where they love him.

Keep reading my posts. Somebody’s got to do it!! Might as well be an ol’ lib like you.

By Dire P's and Q's

October 8, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Obama won the debate if you had a 52” HDTV. McCain won the debate if you listened to it on the radio. Obama won it if you viewed it on your Smartphone. McCain won if you watched it on your classic 80’s Casio hand-held portable 5” screen analog television. This conforms directly to the precedent set in 1960, when Kruschev said to Jackie, “Lets twist again like we did last summer, baby”.

Jackie was such a slut. Honestly. Remember how shocked we all were when she married Onassis? The shipping/oil magnate. Was he in oil? or just shipping and oil was just a product like many others? I dont know.

History that I dont know? This day started out with a flat tire in the rain at 6am. Now this. Is it miller time yet?

By Bemused Humanist

October 8, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Dire @ 3:08 p.m.,

I would love to respond to you, but your post is incoherent.

— B.H.

By Scholar

October 8, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this

People I would like to meet in real life to see what they are really like without the anonymity of the Internet:

• Dusty
• AJC/DNC Management
• Rufus (formerly Marcus?)

I wonder if it would be possible to carry on a normal conversation with them about anything without it being filtered through political ideology.

I wonder if they have the capacity for tolerance for anyone who thinks different from them.

I guess most of all, I wonder if they have any sense of compassion for their fellow human beings, or if their lives are defined by sarcasm and condescension.

By Bemused Humanist

October 8, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Dire @3:08 p.m.,

I would love to respond to your post, but it is incoherent.

Your friend,

— B. H.

By bit

October 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Expecting John McCain to lead the country through this economic fiasco would be like expecting Bobby Petrino to lead the Atlanta Falcons to the superbowl.

By GayGrayGeek

October 8, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this

Scholar @ 3:31 - The three you mention, along with @@ and The Esquire, all seem to be personality manifestations arising from the same person, AKA “The Troll With Many Names”.

By Steven d.

October 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Geez Scholar grow up a little.

By Ga Values

October 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

Ragnar Danneskjöld

Here’s the direct link that Jim The Caveman used, looks like the facts are on his side rather than @@’s Knovak’s quote. But i like @@ name better. Thanks to all for clearning up the point.

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceopoliticaldonations/Henry_Paulson.php

By Captain Freedom

October 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this

The drab Hellenic Homo has shocked THE Captain’s conscience with his insinutation that Dusty, Ragweed, @@, Rufus, Communist AJC, etc. are all one in the same person posting under different names. THE Captain did not know that such subterfuge was allowed in the Internet Tubes, and shudders to think that all this time, He believed Himself to be in the presence of many friends, but in fact only has one. And that one might just be a fakester posting nonsense to make We of True Belief look like simple minded dimwits. Successfully, at that.

Well, THE Captain is undeterred. In His heart, He knows He is Right Thinking, and even if He is the last person in the world who Truly Believes, He knows that it is because everyone else is a stupid dumdum head who can’t see the Plain Truth.

By JW

October 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

By Jenn

Get use to the nails if the old man is elected. He and Barbie are clueless when it comes to the economy Did you and Hubby check “W“‘s credentials before you blindly voted for him? I doubt it. Try something new this time, THINK. Is you situation and this country where you thought it would be after 8 years of GOP leadership? Let Hubby have his balls back so he can at least cancel out your vote.

By AmVet

October 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this

If one thinks the laughable lunatic lament is loud lately, wait until the mulatto wins the White house!

It will be absolutely deafening!

And the real winners?

Rush Limberger, Pretty Boy Sean, Bloated Neil Boortz, mANNish Coulter, ad nauseum.

Granted, they will have to buy a boatload of replacement microphones due to their excessive spitting and slobbering, but their rating, especially here in the Moron Belt, will be higher than at any time since Clinton’s cigar saga…

By Billy

October 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty — Her husband tried it for a short while? She recorded a video address to the AIP convention THIS PAST MARCH!

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Obama Man

You are looking for disrespect. Obama looked surprised at being pinned down on a vote he had rather not mention. He’s gotten over the racist bit. You haven’t and are trying to use it as a political tool. Shame on you.

As for racism, I could find something against white people if I wanted to LOOK FOR IT. Did you know that RACISM goes both ways? I could also find gender discrimination IF I WANTED TO MENTION IT HERE. Stop throwing mud as a weapon. You get it all over yourself.

Fearless Brainless Fosdick,

You into racism too? Yep, there was an obnoxious and untrue political move against McCain in earlier days. As I said BEFORE (which you did not read)their adopted daughter is from Bangladesh. The McCain family has no racism. They have shown that with their lives. BUT YOU WANT TO STICK ‘em with it, don’t you? What is the proper name for people like YOU?

Bemused humanist,

I believe you will find that RedNeck Convert and Captain Freedom are one and the same. The expertise in language allows both personalities in their job as undercover liberal agents. They(he) ARE entertaining.

By Dire P's and Q's

October 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

Glad you loved the material, BJ. Feel free to feel up Palin and steal the material. Then folks’ll think that YOU’RE the genius, instead of the uncle-pleasing Oring your lips truly R.

Captain, you dont have 2 swing at everything, unless you had a bit. You thought you had one, but look at the Lost Bit you missed……”the Palin Truth” vs “The Plain Truth”….you could have steered us one way and then used that cliche, “The Plain Truth” to make a point about McCain’s veep choice and how that disqualifies him for the office he seeks.

But then, I ask too much of the royal rear. (Amadeus, 1984)

Is there no one out there 4 me? Am I alone, like Mozart, the greatest of them all, and only jealously an hatred await me from wannabe’s and poseurs? (and wusses?)

I rule the AJC and Atlanta and thus the world because I am a constituency of one!

You little, little men. You fat chicks. You horrid trolls. How dare you? HOW DARE YOU?

jklol

By steve

October 8, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

maybe a good old fashioned great depression is really what this country needs, all the liberial scumbags will die off and we can start with a clean slate.

By @@

October 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

Ga Values:

Let me see if I can help you with that link.

I didn’t know he contributed to Chris Dodd, friend to Fannie and Freddie.

A individual is not so much represented by party affiliations as he is through principles and philosophy. Paulson is no conservative. Turns out neither is Bush.

Again with the single poster with multiple names? Truly, I thought you leftists had gotten beyond your paranoia.

Good grief!

Captain Freedom:

You may not be able to count me as a friend, but a fan of your posts………absolutely!

By BS Aplenty

October 8, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this

Why Obama Should Not be President

To know a man is to understand the gods to which he kneels.

A man’s speech may be used to inform or misinform others but his worship seeks to edify his own soul. Rarely is there need for deception. And so the journey to understand the candidate Barack Obama must pass through his place of worship, the Trinity United Church of Christ. A congregation where he worshipped, sang, taught and learned for twenty years. A congregation where he also found a life’s mentor in the person of TUCC’s erstwhile minister, Jeremiah Wright.

TUCC is a numerically significant and unique church among the United Churches of Christ. How unique? Unique in that it alone has adopted as doctrine the teachings of one James H. Cone, the theologian who systematized black liberation theology. And it is in the doctrine of Cone where one finds candidate Obama’s genuine worship. To many Americans that doctrine would differ markedly from what they view as Christian worship. In fact, one wonders what this archaic, racist doctrine has to do with Christianity at all as demonstrated in a doctrinal passage from Cone’s A Theology of Black Liberation:

This understanding of blackness can be seen as the most adequate symbol of the dimensions of divine activity in America. And insofar as the country is seeking to make whiteness the dominating power throughout the world, whiteness is the symbol of the Antichrist. Whiteness characterizes the activity of deranged individuals intrigued by their own image of themselves, and thus unable to see that they are what is wrong with the world. Black theology seeks to analyze the satanic nature of whiteness and by doing so to prepare all nonwhites for revolutionary action.

In passing, it may be worthwhile to point out that whites are in no position whatever to question the legitimacy of black theology. Questions like “Do you think theology is black?” or “What about others who suffer?” are the product of minds incapable of black thinking. It is not surprising that those who reject blackness in theology are usually whites who do not question the blue-eyed white Christ. It is hard to believe that whites are worried about black theology on account of its alleged alienation of other sufferers. Oppressors are not genuinely concerned about any oppressed group. It would seem rather that white rejection of black theology stems from a recognition of the revolutionary implications in its very name: a rejection of whiteness, an unwillingness to live under it, and an identification of whiteness with evil and blackness with good. [7-8]

It seems that for non-black Americans to know the soul of candidate Obama, that is, to understand what he thinks is soul-edifying worship for himself, his wife, his children, one must slog through Cone’s racist doctrine of yester-year. The ‘Change You Can Believe In’ sloganeering now simply reveals this candidate as all-too-comfortable with the politics of deception. And, Obama’s genuine worship shows him as wed to a doctrine wherein there is little tolerance for the larger American community.

The candidate then seems easy enough to parse, but what are we to make of his avid supporters who well-know the philosophical background of his church, who cheer on their candidate even with his well-known acceptance of racist thought like Cone’s? What are we to infer about an American media that seems decidedly negligent in reporting this to the voters? I’ll leave that to you good people.

Recently, TUCC responded to these pointed observations about its racist doctrines and removed the racist James H. Cone texts, previously the only texts they sold, and now substituted other texts for sale. That “bump-bump, bump-bump” you just heard was the sound of James Cone being thrown under the political bus to provide cover for the Obama campaign. How Christian.

TUCC has a way of casting out doctrine and preachers faster than Jesus could cast out demons.

Can you feel the power of their political, er, religious conversion?

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Billy, 4:12

I think there is a recording of your ideas that was recently run at the Federal Penitentiary. Are you a convict?

Recordings of GOVERNOR’S talks are sometimes run at public meetings. Keep digging and maybe you will find a bone.

By Dusty

October 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

PoFo…bad boy..

Now you are “Dire”?? Who’s next!

By Republicans R Crooks

October 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I believe Dusty just soiled her diaper…she is crying bout something or another…so it must be real dirty…otherwise, it would not bother her so much…

By Bemused Humanist

October 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

THE Captain:

Capitalizing self-referencing pronouns?

Honbre, tu tienes gonads grandes!

Can you conjure up Redneck Convert? Order a coupld of cases of Carling or something. Ask him about “that one”.

— B.H.

By Peter

October 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

Fact Check: Did McCain say the Iraq war would be easy, popular?

Posted: 07:30 AM ET Sen. Obama suggested Sen. McCain was ‘cheerleading the president to go into Iraq.’ Sen. Obama suggested Sen. McCain was ‘cheerleading the president to go into Iraq.’

The Statement Democratic Sen. Barack Obama said at the Oct. 7 presidential debate in Nashville, Tennessee, that when Republican opponent Sen. John McCain “was cheerleading the president to go into Iraq, he suggested it was going to be quick and easy, we’d be greeted as liberators.”

Get the facts!

The Facts McCain repeatedly made comments like the ones Obama describes during the run-up to the March 20, 2003, invasion and in the days after.

On CNN’s Larry King Live on Sept. 24, 2002, McCain said “I believe the success will be fairly easy.” He said on CNN’s Late Edition on Sept. 29, 2002 that “I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time.” He made the comments more than two weeks before the Senate voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refused to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

McCain also said, on MSNBC’s Hardball on March 24, 2003, that “there’s no doubt in my mind that once these people (the Saddam Hussein regime) are gone that we will be welcomed as liberators.”

The Verdict: True

By AmVet

October 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

The endless summer of neo-con misery has turned in the autumn of their political lives.

Stick a fork in these fake conservatives. They are done…

WASHINGTON (CNN) — In the face of an economy in crisis and a deeply unpopular president, some analysts believe the situation is ripe to give Democrats a 60-seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate in November.

It’s “the perfect storm,” said Stuart Rothenberg, editor of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report. “You’ve got Republican voters angry at Republicans, many Americans just petrified about the future…wanting change. And right now change appears to be coming in the form of Democrats.”

Of the 35 Senate seats on the line this year, 23 are held by Republicans. Five Republican senators are retiring: Pete Domenici of New Mexico, Wayne Allard of Colorado, John Warner of Virginia, Larry Craig of Idaho and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said Democrats have a good shot at reaching a 60-seat majority in November, a possibility he all but ruled out earlier this year.

“The fundamentals of this election year could not be more Democratic,” Sabato said. “You’ve got a terrible economy, a deeply unpopular president and an unpopular war. You put those elements together and it’s going to produce a Democratic victory. … The only question is, what size?”

A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey found that Americans blame Republicans by a 2 to 1 ratio over Democrats for the financial meltdown.

Forty-seven percent of those questioned found Republicans more responsible for the problems facing the financial institutions; 24 percent said Democrats were more responsible.

By Captain Freedom

October 8, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

THE Captain regrets that He, despite Dusty’s fevered imaginings, is unable to call forth our dentally challenged Trailer Park Hannity. THE Captain answers to and for Himself, Himself, Himself and nobody Else. Oh, and Jesus, too. THE Captain listens to him. In fact, we talk quite often. THE Captain Himself will tell him (our saviour) hello for you.

However, THE Captain would like to remind the Bemused poster that this is an American blogboard and requests that you limit your remarks to English-only. This is your only warning.

Still, THE Captain is a man of the world, and a Big Man to boot, so he accepts the compliment in the spirit in which it was intended. THE Captain is indeed a man of much honor and has a very large brain. If He may so say, gratseeus.

By Peter

October 8, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Fact Check: Has Obama never ‘taken on’ Democratic leaders?

Posted: 11:15 PM ET Sen. McCain said Obama has never ‘taken on’ Democratic leaders. Sen. McCain said Obama has never ‘taken on’ Democratic leaders.

The Statement Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain said at the Oct. 7 presidential debate in Nashville, Tennessee, that Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama has “never taken on his leaders of his party on a single issue.”

Get the facts!

The Facts Congressional Quarterly examined Obama’s votes in the Senate. According to the analysis, Obama has voted with the Democratic Party 96 percent of the time during his tenure in the Senate.

CQ — a non-partisan and highly respected journal of congressional affairs — says McCain has voted in line with the Republican Party 86 percent of the time. McCain’s total number of votes is much larger, since he has been in the Senate since 1986, while Obama is in his first term.

CQ also looked at what it deemed to be “key” votes. That analysis found Obama voted with his party on 29 out of 30 votes, which came out to 97 percent of the time. For McCain, CQ said there have been 335 “key” votes over the years, and that he voted with his party on 266 of them — 79 percent of the time.

However, the journal noted instances when Obama voted outside the party. In 2005, Obama was one of only 18 Democrats to vote in favor of a business-backed bill to limit class action lawsuits by forcing the most-expensive into federal court. The majority of Democrats voted against the bill, which was opposed by consumer groups and the trial lawyers lobby.

The journal also noted that Obama sided with Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, who wanted greater disclosure of earmarks in an ethics bill, by voting against an attempt by Obama’s home-state mentor, Democratic Whip Richard J. Durbin, to kill DeMint’s disclosure amendment.

And, Obama has criticized leading Democrats, including former presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, for voting to authorize the Iraq war in 2002. However, many of those comments were made in the context of the Democratic primary campaign and that vote was prior to his time in the Senate.

Verdict: False. While McCain is correct that Obama has supported the Democratic leadership almost all of the time, to say he’s never differed with them is not true.

By CrazyPeeps

October 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this

See this and then decide who is responsible for the financial debacle of today…….

Veiw the entire U Tube Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

By Peter

October 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Fact Check: Obama’s health care plan

Posted: 02:40 PM ET Sen. Obama spoke about health care at a rally in Newport News, Virginia Saturday. Sen. Obama spoke about health care at a rally in Newport News, Virginia Saturday.

The Statement: In the vice-presidential debate on Thursday, October 2, in St. Louis, Republican nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama proposes “to mandate health care coverage and have (a) universal, government-run program. And unless you’re pleased with the way the federal government has been running anything lately, I don’t think that it’s going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the feds.”

Get the facts!

The Facts: Obama’s health care plan, as described on his campaign Web site, does include a government mandate that all children be covered by health insurance. Beyond that, while the plan is “universal” in the sense that it aims to make health care coverage available to every American, it is not “universal” in the sense that a government mandate would require coverage for every adult. On Saturday, October 4 at a rally in Newport News, Virginia, Obama said his goal is to provide “affordable, accessible health care for every single American.”

The Obama plan would increase the federal government’s role in health care by requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing or chronic conditions and requiring all employers other than very small businesses to offer coverage to their employees or pay part of the costs to cover them. But it would also include existing private insurance options, would use existing providers and plans and would allow people to choose their own doctors and methods of insurance. According to Obama’s Web site, people who are pleased with their current health care coverage and happy with their current doctor will not have to change anything. Employers that cannot afford health care for their employees would be eligible for subsidies.

The plan does propose creating a National Health Insurance Exchange. While it is not clear exactly how the exchange would operate and who would oversee it, according to Obama’s Web site people could use the exchange to choose a private plan or a new public plan similar to that offered to federal employees and members of Congress.

The Verdict: Mostly False. Obama’s plan would increase government’s role in health care, and mandate coverage for children, but would include existing health care systems and not mandate universal coverage.

There is no evidence in the plan to support Palin’s claim that health care would be “taken over by the feds.”

By Mac

October 8, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Jim, were you listening when McCain proposed that the goverrnment buy up all the bad subprime mortages to the tune of $100 billion? As a right wing conservative, I’m surprised you’re not upset about government take over of private property.

By GayGrayGeek

October 8, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

I see that none of the Resident Paleocons have refuted my thesis of 3:38, thus confirming that all five are truly, indeed, the same one sad little person posting from their mom’s computer.

Cap’n @ 3:56 - Why do you think The Esquire keeps referring to himself in the plural? He’s certainly not Betty Windsor, the only other person to normally do so…

Dusty @ too many to mention: AFEES, STFU, dear. AFEES, STFU.

By "Gold Plated Cadillac"

October 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this

In a discussion that had nothing to do with the automotive industry, energy independence, or fuel prices, what (and to whom) do you think John McCain was trying to communicate with his “gold-plated Cadillac” remark?

By Cal

October 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this

I listened to the debates last night and was totally bored and I stand by my feelings that there wasn’t a win that should go to either candidate unless it is a boredom award.

I could not vote for Obama simply because I don’t agree with the income redistribution which is what his plan calls for. With his plan, my taxes will go up to 65% which does not include property taxes, automobile taxes, etc. At this rate, I would be working for the federal government instead of myself and I can’t say that it is worth it. I am hearing this same statement from friends, customers, partners, and even some in the media that are in the same boat. What I am hearing: Retirement, quitting, income deferment, etc.

So liberals, I have this to say to you:

If you are looking for a job, you will most likely look over the middle class to provide one for you and go directly to small business owners or large corporations. You do realize that these companies are the ones that Obama wants to relieve of their money that is the very money that they need to hire you with. You do understand that the jobs that have gone overseas went there to escape the corporate tax rates we have here. Would you rather these corporations use that tax money to expand their company and provide new jobs or give it to the government?

According to the Tax Policy Center, the top 5th of income earners pay 67% of all federal taxes which includes income taxes, payroll taxes, corporate taxes and death taxes. The top 1% of earners pay 26% of all federal taxes (when you only count income taxes, the top 1% pay nearly 40%).

If the McCain plan was passed, the top 5th would actually pay a greater share of total federal taxes and the top 1% would decline by only .3%. In other words, the high earners carry the vast majority of the federal tax burden.

By contrast, the Obama plan would increase marginal income tax rates on high earners and raise taxes on capital gains and dividends, with the likely effect of contracting labor supply, reducing rewards for saving, and increasing incentives to avoid taxes. All but the very lowest income Americans would face higher marginal tax rates under the Obama plan than the McCain proposal.

What I am saying to you all is that :

By Andrea

October 8, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

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MR. WOOTEN & MCCAIN = SORE LOSERS, PARTY OF 2

OBAMA & BIDEN = WINNERS & WHITE HOUSE BOUND, PARTY OF 2

By JoeWells

October 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

Our country needs to turn the page on the past 8 years. McCain is still pushing for bigger tax breaks for millionaires, saying this will trickle down to us. For the past 8 years we had tax breaks for the rich and how did that work out = we have lost millions of jobs. Under Obama’s plan the rich will pay a fair share, no more than they did under President Reagan.