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DEL.ICIO.USHillary, if gone, will be back
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Is Hillary married? Just asking.
In many ways, it was a strange speech from Hillary. For one, there was no acknowledgment that any man in her life might be anywhere that mattered. Bill sat, looking proud and almost tearful. She began her speech by saying that “I am honored to be here tonight” Then she identified the special distinctions she represented: ” A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.”
No “Proud Wife and Mother.”
No “Proud Wife.” Or “Former First Lady.”
It’s true that unmarried women are drawn to the Democratic Party. For many, government is the supporting husband — if not directly, then in providing the back-up financial security that marriage once represented.
But maybe I read too much into her intentional omission. Maybe she just didn’t want to risk sharing the spotlight.
As a viewer, I expected an adoring crowd of Hillary supporters. There were some of those, yes. But many of them had the look of bystanders watching a potential suicide bomber. They weren’t quite sure where this spectacle was going. Me neither.
Much of it sounded like her acceptance speech or her first State of the Union. An example was her laundry list of things to do in the White House. In the following paragraph of her text, strike “he’ll” and substitute “I’ll” and in the last sentence strike the phrase “watch Barack Obama.” The paragraph:
“He’ll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He’ll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can’t wait to watch Barack Obama sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.”
Yes, she couldn’t have been vice president. She is the dominant personality in the Obama-Hillary duo. She would have overshadowed him at every turn. His successes would have been because he implemented her programs, his failures because he didn’t. Joe Biden may be a windbag, but his fulsome rhetoric is not threatening to his potential boss.
Did she drive any Hillary supporters to the ticket? My sense is no, or at least none of those not already inclined to support the ticket, no matter what. The lady, if gone, will be back.
Comments
By KP
August 27, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Jim,
It will be interesting to see your comments of the speeches at the Republican Convention and whether or not you’ll be so quick to pick up on the minutia or will you comment on the big picture of the speeches.
By Paul
August 27, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
Hillary said it all: “Obama cannot win.” She needs his loss for her to have a 2012 run. Does anyone really believe she wants him to win -in spite of all her apparent support?
By Dave
August 27, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
Billary in 2012! You can bet those pant suit ladies are forming their teams right now …
By Roswellian
August 27, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Actually she did mention her husband’s administration and accomplishments several times. This article is extremely nit-picky and seems desperate to find fault with a well-crafted and energizing speech.
By Jeff
August 27, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
KP:
Don’t you know that ‘the devil is in the details’?
This is PARTICULARLY true when it comes to politics/ politicians.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
August 27, 2008 8:41 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I forgot to tune in the convention since the Braves were playing. Understand Bill speaks tonight; I’ll probably forget to tune in again, since the Braves are playing. Instant jbmlaw analysis: Hillary’s speech did no harm to Obama, and ultimately all of her supporters, excluding the Operation: Chaos voters, will support Obama. Thus looks like a 50-50 race again. Michigan is the big one this year.
By Liz of Lesbos
August 27, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
It’s all polling, Jim. For many gay women like myself, Hilllary is an object of romantic fantasy. She takes advantage of that by not interrupting our daydreams with talk of Bill. Hope you understand better now.
By CJ
August 27, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten said, “Did she drive any Hillary supporters to the ticket? My sense is no,…”
When prognosticating, Jim substitutes wishful thinking for reason.
By RJ
August 27, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Wooten…There are two notations in this drivel that merit comment. First…”But maybe I read too much into her intentional omission.” Indeed you did! Being a Proud Wife, Mother, and former First lady, were outside of the purpose of the message for the occasion. Your mention reminds me of what my deceased Aunt used to say, “I know those kind of people…they just want to have something to say.”
Second…”Did she drive any Hillary supporters to the ticket? My sense is no, or at least none of those not already inclined to support the ticket, no matter what.” The same is true for those right wingers within the party, who, like McCain, are trying to use Hillary for their own agenda.
By MAT
August 27, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
“It’s true that unmarried women are drawn to the Democratic Party. For many, government is the supporting husband — if not directly, then in providing the back-up financial security that marriage once represented.”
On how many levels is this statement offensive? Let us count the ways.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
McCain supporters questioning the Clinton marriage…..LOL
How is Carol McCain these days?
Will we see ALL of Mccains kids at the DNC?
Issues, boys, issues.
One House One Spouse
Obama 08
By Terry
August 27, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
Everything Hillary did and said was to pave the way for her 2nd attempt in 2012. If Obama fails it’ll be his fault, if he wins it’ll be credited to Hillary - she’s in a no-lose situation and is only doing what she’s being told to do to preserve her own future in politics and to step up to the plate 2 1/2 years after this election and declare herself as running for nomination yet again. She knows full well that next time around the democrats wouldn’t dare not vote her in. Her behaviour during the nomination campaign accounts almost entirely for the position Obama finds himself in - with all the negativity that is going on in the US, the democrats should have walked this election. But will Hillary accept what she’s done - no more than she would accept she’d lost the nomination months before she gave up.
By morris
August 27, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
WELL UNLESS HILLARY SAID SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO DIE FOR OBAMA.ANYTHING SHORT OF THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH FOR YOU.
By buster brown
August 27, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
The bases are loaded folks!
Bottom of the ninth.
Hillary is coming to bat.
The crowd is getting restless.
And here comes the pitch.
She swings….Oh, my, oh my!
Folks that ball took off like a shot.
It’s outta here .. Can anyone say GRANDSLAM!
By Charles
August 27, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Just as I suspected Obama’s falling behind in the latest Gallup poll after nominating Biden as his running mate. It’s bad enough having one arrogant person on the ticket - but, having THE most arrogant person in Washington as your VP nomination has probably sunk their ship.
We’ll survive a McCain Presidency. We don’t need an uber-Liberal running the White House and allow Pelosi/Reid to destroy this country.
By Ray
August 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Link to this
Hillary kept Bill around after the Lewinsky affair to better her chances for nomination after Bush. Boy, has that backfired. Bill has become the baggage that she did not need and the single reason why she is not the VP nominee. She would be better off if she had dumped him then. She’s a good politician (contradiction in terms) but she sure screwed up this time.
By Helen Crane
August 27, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Jim: Every day I read your column and, as a conservative R, I appreciate your opinion. But, for the last year you have shown considerable “ist-ness” The sexism here is UNREAL. I am a college educated single parent- should I hide behind a rock! Your misogynist good ol’ boy rantings make me want to vote for Obama! Jim, when I get through raising my child (the masterpiece of my life) I am going to earn three times more than you or any man and I have never and will never take a dime of welfare. My grandmother’s husband died in WWII and she never did- she raised three boys on her own so don’t tell me about single mothers! I want to hear about lazy, irresponsible men! I dont care for Obama but I will say this for him: He didn’t get off the plane in Atlanta to greet utility lobbyists as Mc Cain did! Our party has plenty of problems and I suggest you concentrate on discouraging the Bush-style corruption that plagues us and is going to put Obama in office. You are a poor judge of character, Obama is a strong man- Hillary could never overpower him. Look what the man has done in the last 6 months! Republicans are neither racist nor sexist and you are encouraging both when you write such slothful, primitive things! You just made millions of successful women cringe and wonder if they should align themselves with such bigotry!
By "The Corporal"
August 27, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
DANGEROUS DEMAGOGUERETTE
A demagogue is defined as “someone who gains power and popularity by arousing the emotions, passions and prejudices of the people”. I already have a multitude of reasons why I would never vote for Hillary Clinton including her stance on the rights of unborn children, her disdain for the U.S. military and her socialist touch on every program or policy she proposes. However, if for no other reason, her unbridled demogoguery at the end of the 2000 Presidential election showed me just how far she would go in a disingenuous and even dangerous effort to gain popular support.
President Bush lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote and thus the election; the U.S. Supreme Court solidifying his victory with a narrow 5 to 4 ruling. Then Mrs. Clinton, a Yale Law School graduate who knew better, angrily insinuated to the American masses that Vice President Gore had been robbed of the election since he won the popular vote. She even stated that one of her first acts as a U.S. Senator would be to propose legislation eliminating the electoral college (she thankfully failed in that attempt). I guess she felt she possessed more wisdom than James Madison and our other founding fathers.
Unfortunately, the great majority of American voters are totally ignorant of the purpose of the electoral college and the incredible history of how this country was founded. Hillary used this sad ignorance to appeal to the public’s fears and to incite them during a time of Constitutional crisis when Florida’s electoral votes were still in doubt and the rule of law and calm needed to be promoted. She knew full well the electoral college was instituted to protect the influence of the smaller states, that those states would never have signed the Constitution without it and that it prevents one region of the country from dominating others in being able to choose a President. It forces a Presidential candidate to appeal to the nation as a whole as opposed to just densely populated areas. In effect, it attempts to bring us together as a nation rather than dividing us as a direct popular vote would.
This is the United STATES of America not the United PEOPLE of America; it is thankfully a constitutional republic and not a pure reactionary democracy and there’s a big difference. Our present “electoral system” allowing the States to have a proper and constitutional role in electing a President mitigates demagoguery. Hillary’s desire for a “popular vote” system would allow demagoguery to thrive. She showed me her true colors back then in her blatant effort to do anything in a quest for power and that reveals the naked soul of a dangerous demagoguerette.
By Tuffy, The Airborne Soldier
August 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Good Grief, Jim….
You can’t tout the advantages of a McCain Presidency (or even the appearance of one). You can only promote Hillary in hopes that folks will feel sorry for her and vote for McCain.
Weak, weak, weak. Please come again. You should get a spot on Fix News, Jim. They’re floundering and looking quite silly as well. She lost and like a good party follower, she throws her support behind Obama. Let’s give the man an opportunity to lead the country. We gave Dubya that same opportunity, despite the GOP’s theft of it 2000 and Kerry’s swiftboating in ‘04. Look at us now….
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
August 27, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
I suppose I neglected to address Jim’s implicit argument – if, hypothetically, Obama wins this year, will Hillary challenge in 2012?
If Obama implements even a small portion of the declared democrat agenda, the economy will be dismally failing in four years (you can see how it has performed with nothing more than minimum wage and mandatory ethanol in lieu of gasoline – think of those results multiplied. E.g., no drilling, no nukes, gut national defense. No reductions in domestic spending, indeed likely increases in the numbers of bureaucrats and other nonworking recipients of government subsidies.)
If Obama wages foreign policy along the lines suggested by his response to the Georgian invasion, there will be many more of those.
If Obama appoints more of the Kelo- and child-rapist-style judges, Americans will be in open rebellion against their supreme court, much as was the case in the late 1960s.
I forecast conditions ripe for an internal challenge, much like the 1976 republican primary season or the 1980 democrat primary season. She’ll be back.
By ATL
August 27, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
This column sounds like a pitiful attempt to salvage some kind of silver lining for Republicans. Face it. This year, you are going to lose the White House. The only branch of the federal government you’ll have left is the Supreme Court.
The Republicans handed the Congress and the White House to the Dems because they failed to be responsible leaders. And failed miserably.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Well, I watched Hillary’s speech. She is one of the best political speakers of this decade. She can deliver a fiery speech without a misstep and without a teleprompter (or so it seemed). There was a bit of drivel, those tearjerk stories that could have been deleted, but the delivery was almost impeccable. That said, I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HER.
She has an over powering drive to make a socialist America with citizens as orphans of the government. Her health plan is already in her files. She will be around a long time, ready to lay socialism on the line. She has now committed herself to pushing the wishy washy Obama to promote socialism.
As to her lack of husbandly attention, she is the symbol of female independence. Bill Clinton was the stair step to her ambitions. She overlooked his marital transgressions with her future in mind. Now she hardly needs him. Why mention him?
So watch out politicos. The fox is waiting outside the chicken house and the unwary will be eaten. Hillary is waiting!!
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Shorter Wooten:
“Hillary’s fabulously crafted, delivered, and received speech is Good News For Republicans! Because it just is, ok? And this Obama guy is going nowhere, cuz he’s, like, black and as liberal as most Americans and stuff!”
By Get over it
August 27, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
I am a lifelong Democrat and a Senator Clinton supporter. I will NOT vote for Senator Obama in November. He was ‘chosen’ by Howard Dean years ago to be the nominee. The primaries were sculpted according to Dean’s script. I will write in for Senator Clinton or vote for Ralph Nader. Obama is an empty suit and a dirty Chicago politican. Believe me, the democratic party is much more divided than the powers that be will admit.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
August 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Dear ATL @ 9:30, I think you are partially right in your analysis. The Supreme Court is not yet conservative, viz Kelo and the child-rapists cases. The leftist majorities in those cases disprove your argument. I think you paint with a brush too broad in your analysis of the Congress from 1994-2006; I would bifurcate the analysis.
By anyone’s measures, the Republican stewardship under Mr. Newt’s leadership was a great success – the economy sprang to life from the dead democrat leadership days. After Mr. Newt left, the Republicans degenerated into democrat-style big spending (Agriculture and Education the most noteworthy wastes, and perhaps Homeland Security although the latter arguably staunched further terrorist attacks in the US) and democrat-style trade management (steel tariffs were an excellent example of corporate welfare). I think the Republican initiative to punish our Mexican guest workers contributed mightily to their eviction by the American people, for frivolousness.
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Sounds like the last eight (8) years to me. Is this what the American people really want for four (4) more years?
By anonymous
August 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
Jim is certainly HOPING that Hillary voters are not moving toward Obama. No big surprise given his irrational dislike for the former First Lady.
By Scott
August 27, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
This is a very strange commentary. Were you watching the same speech last night that I did? You should be a fiction writer.
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
“I am a lifelong Democrat and a Senator Clinton supporter. “
Uh, no, you’re not.
Nor are the hundreds of professional operatives posting this concern-troll crap online and in letters to the editor.
By anonymous
August 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
Scott, Mr. Wooten sees and hears what he wants to hear. At all times. He’s like one of those alternate history authors. You know, the one’s who write books about what would have happened had the Confederates won the Civil War. He lives in a very warped alternate reality where the GOP is all things good and any Democrat is a secret socialist wanting to turn millions of aborted babies into gun hating homosexuals. I guess we should just leave him there with his fantasies if they make him happy.
By findog
August 27, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
Jim,
I noticed she didn’t say she was a proud Caucasian either, or am I reading too much into it?
I think it is mostly ditto-heads that are driven to a ticket; voters are either drawn to or driven from it.
By Chicago
August 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Get over it, how can one person ‘choose’ who the nominee will be? I thought the 36 million people who voted actually did that. Either you’re a republican or just bitter because your candidate lost. You can take your ball and go home spoiled brat.
By @@
August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Jim:
The “purpose” of her speech was to distinguish women from A MAN………a specific MAN…….it weren’t Bill. Notice that Bill was sitting in the nosebleed section of the convention hall, yet all eyes were turning to him for confirmation.
At one point, he mouthed “I love it!”.
OBlahMa was bloodied by Bill’s “knows”.
By Common Sense
August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
To get over it:
I guess the 18 million voters that voted for Obama don’t count huh!
I guess raising funds vai the internet don’t count Huh!
I guess crafting a strategy to beat the incumbent don’t count huh!
I guess since Hillay team did not count on the race going on they decide caucaus states don’t count huh!
Once again who do you want as a CEO a team who finish with a surplus or a team who finish with a deficit.
You are right get over it! Give Mr. Obama some credit for the campaign that he has ran!Diry Politician that means he’s tough and smart when it comes to politics!
GET OVER YOUR it!
By Dennis
August 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
“It’s true that unmarried women are drawn to the Democratic Party. For many, government is the supporting husband — if not directly, then in providing the back-up financial security that marriage once represented.”
WOOTEN!!! That’s pure sexist!
You have to be a real LOW MALE and hate your mother to write something like that.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 27, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Get Over it is posting live from Denver with the 60 (yes that’s 60) PUMAS that showed up at the convention.
18 million votes, 60 PUMAS,
I don’t think Senator Obama or Senator Clinton are too worried!
By findog
August 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
While I did not join the esquire watching the Braves I’m not a big convention fan and missed the actual delivery of the vanquished senator’s speech last night; however, feminist’s were probably relieved that the, “proud wife,” was left out, the Edward’s scandal still a fresh reminder of Hillary’s own duplicity in scandals.
I was watching morning joe on msnbc this morning. One of those old diehard Hilliarites was corralled wither heir Hillary Button at their restaurant set. She was still 100% Hillary; but then they called her back and asked, “when its October and the lines are drawn who are you going to vote for?” the stunned silence of the lady was tactic acknowledgement that they will line up behind Senator Obama.
Senator McCain is going to have to win it this year because I think the democrats are tired of losing to themselves.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
anonymous,10:14
Of course, Jim Wooten is going to write what he sees and hears. He thinks for himself. Whom did you think he would write for? Some Democratic political machine that produces propaganda like it was the pap of prosperity?
NO, dear liberal, Jim Wooten is a truthful conservative thinker whom we can appreciate for his honesty.
Now run on off but don’t forget that we have had no terrorist attacks on our country and two other countries are free to seek their own freedom. All that in those eight years you poor hate filled liberals had to “endure”. Poor baby!! I see that you are just filled with appreciation for the benefits you live with every day in this country. Hang your head in shame, thankless brainwashed lib!!
By GayGrayGeek
August 27, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
Dusty - AFEES, or STFU.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Dennis 10:20
Sorry, Dennis, but marriage is still a nice word often printed in public. Don’t let it upset you. Look it up in the dictionary or ask your parents. They probably know what it means.
By dittohead
August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Hillary supporters are still clueless to what has happened to their candidate…Bill knew HRC would not get the BLACK vote if she raised hell. Bill knew Obama would not win…Bill & Hillary pretend affection.
By Curious Observer
August 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
It’s true that unmarried women are drawn to the Democratic Party.
OK, firing squad at noon for Wooten, to be captained by jbmlaw, Newt, and other right-wingers.
Forget the sentiment. Forget the sexism.
Wooten has committed the unpardonable sin of calling it the Democratic Party. Every decent right-winger knows that one never credits the Democrats with a virtue like democracy. It’s the Democrat Party, Wooten. Would you have great patriots like Newt Gingrich, leader of the pack that rid us of the detestable ic, sacrifice their political careers in vain? Would you destroy the opportunity for right-wingers to insult the opposition merely by naming it?
For shame, sir! Retire at once!
By Dennis
August 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this
By Dusty August 27, 2008 10:33 AM “Now run on off but don’t forget that we have had no terrorist attacks on our country and two other countries are free to seek their own freedom. All that in those eight years you poor hate filled liberals had to “endure”. Poor baby!! I see that you are just filled with appreciation for the benefits you live with every day in this country. Hang your head in shame, thankless brainwashed lib!!”
Dusty, I generally don’t get into your stuff, but maybe you should consider to looking at another reality.
In the past eight years, your government has put in place all sorts of gimicks to watch everything you and all Americans do; listen on your phone, track what you watch your computer, watch you on the street via cameras and satellite, read your emails, photograph you as a terrorist when you protest, keep you in jail or prison as long as it wants without charges, give you a trial without revealing what the charges are or the evidence is, without your permission, take a sample of your newborn’s blood for future DNA (“health”) purposes….
All without a warrant.
You used to be “free” Dusty. Not anymore.
Your corporate controlled government is afraid of you.
And of me.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Mike
August 27, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
You’re a putz. So ideoligically prejudiced, that you can’t even admit the failing of the current administration. Just another Republican hack masquarading around as a journalist.
By findog
August 27, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Charles, How do you get Senator Biden as the most arrogant person in Washington? Did you exclude the current management team?
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
“Can someone please tell me why McCain having so many homes is an issue?”
It’s an issue because he claims to know what the people of America are facing and calls Obama elitist! He got into school because of legacy, he finished at the bottom of his class, he was incompetent as a pilot, had an adulterous affair with the “Rich Jezebel” Cindy while his wife was strickened with cancer, and divorced her. Yep, he’s just like one of us!
McCain / Whoever ‘08 - No way!
By songbird
August 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Wooten - I happen to be one of those unmarried women that support the Democratic ticket, but not for the reasons you mentioned. I don’t have any problem supporting myself with the six figure income I earn all by myself thank you. I don’t need a man or the government to take care of me. I can do that myself.
I support the Democratic party because that party has done more to help women achieve their independence than the Republican party, and they continue to fight for the rights of women. Note some of the comments made by Hillary in her speech last night. Reread it if you need to refresh your feeble memory.
If the Republican party ever got over being the old white’s man’s and the religious nutjob’s party, I might consider joining. But I doubt that will happen in my lifetime. I firmly believe the Republican party is in for a decline. Younger voters don’t relate to it because the party platform continues to be mired in yesterday’s ideas. McCain might win this election because of voter’s prejudices again blacks, but he’ll only be around for 4 years at best, and he’ll have a stronger Demo. Congress to deal with, which means he won’t get anything he wants including more right wing judges on the SC.
By findog
August 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
Get over it Clinton’s Terry McC of Florida set up the primaries. So don’t blame Dean, he’s the first democrat that has pushed for a 50-state strategy. That’s how Gingrich out maneuvered the DNC in 1994 and President Bush would have had the Rove majority party if not for Cheney’s war in Iraq. So don’t vote for Obama, but don’t blame Dean!
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
Dennis 10:49
Dear heart, I am free as a bird. I am not enslaved by the liberal philosophy that somebody should take care of me.
Should you ever discover that you live in a country blessed with freedom, maybe you can drop the shackles of your own entrapment. It is in your head, Dennis. You are free. Appreciate and thank those who continue to keep us that way.
Since you seem incapable of saying it, President Bush has led the effort to protect freedom for the last eight years.
I will vote for McCain who will keep us free. You will go for fluff. Sorry about that!
By Common Sense
August 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this
To dusty @ 11:05
Don’t you think Mr. Bush could have done a better job protecting the country.
Let’s face-it the borders are not secure so someone could come over here very easily.
I believe terrorism is really played up more than what it should be!
Our borders are very open!
We should have and can do better and that is the name of the game!
We Americans can do better!
By Willie
August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
By Dennis August 27, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this “In the past eight years, your government has put in place all sorts of gimicks to watch everything you and all Americans do; “
Hey have you heard of the NSA,FBI,CIA, and Federal Marshalls! They have been doing it for years under Billy boy’s reign and before, oh yeah! They did it under the great one too (Roosevelt)! The present management just got accused of it by whiners like you. It so hard not to be in charge!!! Huh dennis.
By Devastator
August 27, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
You guys are unbelievable. “Keep us free”? We’ve been free for over 200 to 300 hundred years now. At what point where we not going to be free? Because we were attacked? You’re an idiot.
By Dennis
August 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Link to this
By Dusty August 27, 2008 11:05 AM “Dennis. You are free. Appreciate and thank those who continue to keep us that way.”
Just checking back for a minute, Dusty, to see if you would respond with your usual mantra, and I wasn’t wrong.
As to “Appreciate and thank those who continue to keep us that way” contradicts your “I don’t need anyone to take care of me.”
I did my part with four years in the USAF so that you can sit there all day and exercise your free speech.
But I didn’t do it so that the government can do the things I listed above to you or to me or to my country.
But, if, in “your head”, you want to think you’re “free” from government intrusion, you can thank me and my service to the country (and taking care of you) and be my guest.
You may be free in “your mind”, Dusty, but you’r mind is not dealing with reality of not being free.
Have a great day, Dusty.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By findog
August 27, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger That’s the great thing about blogs, you claim to be anything: male, female, gay, straight, soldier, vet, or veterinarian… It takes intellect like your own to see through the charade, good call.
Kind of like Mrs. Godzilla at 10:30 looking over get over its’ shoulder in Denver to police the PUMAS
Dusty, No one is an island we are all interdependent on one and other so blanket clauses like free as a bird are a bit much.
I think the difference is really where our tax money goes into the village.
Do we provide transportation, security, grants, loans, tax breaks, and legal aid for companies to prosper and hire citizens; or do we provide the same directly to the citizens to become educated commodities for the companies to use?
By Macon Countyline
August 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Helen Crane, if you are going to earn three times any man (Buffett, Gates, Putin, etc.) you have a standing marriage proposal from me.
By Mr. Anderson
August 27, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
It seems the only people not happy with the Hill speech are the Republicans.
By Tomhere
August 27, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.
By Wooten is a Sexist Pig!
August 27, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Q: Is Guliani married? Just asking.
A: Yes, but he’s not tied down or anything.
By hillbilly ragger
August 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this
Curious @ 10.47 - funny stuff, but for the record, the GOPee have been (literally) slurring it as “Democrat party” since at least Joe McCarthy’s time. t’weren’t Newt’s concoction.
And Dusty’s “I will vote for McCain who will keep us free.” is funny for so many reasons. Ok, it’s kinda sad too. But mostly funny.
By Wooten is a Sexist Pig!
August 27, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
Q: Is Romney married? Just asking. A: Yes, but only the First Wife is recognized publicly.
Q: Is McCain married? Just asking. A: Yes, it’s unlikely he’d call his girlfriend a c—- in public.
Q: Is Huckabee married? Just asking. A: Yes, but she says he’s not half the man he used to be.
Q: Is Tom Tandcredo married? Just asking. A: Yes, but he doesn’t feel like the relationship is evolving.
Q: Is Fred Thompson married? Just asking. A: Yes, but she really just plays a Trophy Wife on TV.
Q: Is Alan Keyes married? Just asking. A: Yes, she’s the lovely woman carrying the big carpet bag.
Q: Is Ron Paul married? Just asking. A: Yes, but she thinks he’s bat-squirt crazy too.
Q: Is Bob Barr married? Just asking. A: Yes, but they practice responsible family planning now.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
findog,11:30
I love blanket clauses, cliches, and other trivia as long as they irritate liberals. They are worth every word of annoyance. You are such an authority. Please send me a new list. I need some fresh ones.
Mr. Anderson 11:37
I’m a Republican and I liked Hill’s speech. I just don’t like Hill.
By Beau L. Chevik
August 27, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Comrade Dusty, join the Obama team. What’s more patriotic than working for the collective good of the country? Would we not all be equals and statesmen and stateswomen? Reject the capitalist running dog McCain, Dusty and come on the Obama team for the big win.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Dear hillbilly ragger@11:43
McCain will keep us free, funny boy. If by chance we end up on an Obama Sea of Socialism you too will wish for freedom.
I go for early prevention of such a disaster as Obama’s socialistic flotsam and jetsam.
By Ragnar Danneskjöld
August 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this
Dear findog @ 11:30, “Do we provide transportation, security, grants, loans, tax breaks, and legal aid for companies to prosper and hire citizens; or do we provide the same directly to the citizens to become educated commodities for the companies to use?”
Answer, “neither.” The “provision” is a federal jobs program. The only goal the government can accomplish is the transfer of money from those who earn it to those who sell services to the government.
By BUSHWACKER
August 27, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
I am amazed at how people don’t get her real message and mark my words, SHE DOES NOT WANT OBAMA TO WIN, she wants him to lose so she can run in 2012.
For the Clintons, it all about power, they’re power, they don’t give damn about Obama or this country.
I just hope the OBAMA supporters don’t riot in the streets after the election when Obama will be lucky to win 10 states!
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Dear Beau L. Chevik 11:53
Thank you for invite but…seems the Obama team is already jam packed with COMRADES and I would not feel at home there.(I will never share my toothbrush with anyone!) Besides, you might enlist me to go fight for Russia against Georgia. I can’t fight against GEORGIA!!
Thanks again but I stick with the WINNERS!! John McCain…Fighter for freedom..Winner in 2008!!
By Liz not of Lesbos
August 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
My dream for the country is not to see, hear, or read about either of the Clintons again.
By getalife "whiners"
August 27, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Hillary Clinton is the one
By dirty harry
August 27, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
Dusty…You keep saying ad nauseum that Bush or McCain will keep us free..Free from what?
Iraq…They have a secret weapon somewhere kind of like the Doomsday machine (Dr. Strangelove)
Afghanistan…With all their long range bombers and fighter jets..Not to mention their sophisticated weaponary…
Russia..Iran..Not if we attack them. Remember most, if not all of our resources are either in Iraq or Afghanistan
Every mid-eastern person who looks to you a little strange..Could be carrying a cigarette lighter, and a home made bomb!
Do you sleep well at night or do you and your husband sleep in shifts in order to keep an eye out for some evil doer?
If you remember correctly it was Kinda Sleazy Rice who ignored the PDB that correctly stated the intentions of what went down on 9/11…and, where was your GREAT PROTECTOR Bush?
I believe he was on vacation!
By mo
August 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Did you see the picture of Jim? He looks like an idiot that’d write such an article. After all, he is a pro-republican, if you guys haven’t noticed.
By Disgusted
August 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
If you remember correctly it was Kinda Sleazy Rice who ignored the PDB that correctly stated the intentions of what went down on 9/11…and, where was your GREAT PROTECTOR Bush?
He was memorizing My Pet Goat so that his reading deficiencies would not be on display on TV.
By MikeB
August 27, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
I agree Jim………. I think she was hedging her bets a little.
From the sour look on Michelle Obama’s face most of the speech, it looked like she thought much the same.
I think she left Bill off, because he is speaking tonite, and she wanted to segment the 2 speech’s as seperate events.
That said she is not ready to let go, by a long shot.
By MV7
August 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this
The Hil-da-beast will rise again. She is the only hope Dems have. The dream of Barack Hussein Obama is just that… a dream. A dream of a weak candidate that was bullied into being the Dems candidate only to be riddled with questions about his character, judgement, and affiliations. At least with the Hil-da-beast you know that 50% of the population hate her and 50% love her. Cant say that much for the dream team BHO/Biden. John McCain is the luckiest sob to have such weak opposition. In the Dem party unity wont happen because of the inherent nature of a liberal. To a liberal there is an I in team.
McCain gets my vote not by being my candidate of choice, but because he is the best of the worse. When the Hil-da-beast runs in 2012 lets hope a true conservative such as Jindal or Stanford is the candidate.
By 2Mrws news
August 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
I guarantee you all that this will be the last two party presidential election if Obama loses. If Obama loses it will in fact be because HRC’s support was half hearted at best, and current Obama supporters will not hesitate to return the favor should she run in 2012. Thus the result will be another 8-12 years of Republican control. That’s the truth people.
The Democratic party will be no more as we know it. Mark my words.
By findog
August 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Dusty, “You are such an authority,” pretty much covers it all. You go girl!
RD I think the commerce clause, the most abused, covers transportation and legal aid. Security as in common defense is the one true job of any government. Those two are equal for all citizens. The transfer of wealth is two-way. The GOP proposes tax cuts and grants to business, meaning I have to pay more personally. The DNC proposes tax cuts and grants to their causes and less fortunate citizens, meaning I have to pay more personally. I do not quibble the point of who is worse; I just understand that there are no politician’s that in Jesus’ view should be casting the first stone.
And for the Ron Paul backers, he lost it when he said he votes against pork but doesn’t have a problem with his district getting their fair share.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
dirty hairy,
I see you are not on your toes as uusual @12:14. Now let me remind you.
There are these little ol’ folks with guns, bombs. suicide bombers and plans for wmds..all dying to dump on America and kill us and our freedom. They are called t-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t-s. Now try to remember. Does 9/11 ring a bell?
Although Bush had been in office only 8 months and Clinton had cut the armed forces to the bone, America rose up under Bush’s leadership and fought BACK.
rEMEMBER??wE HAVE HAD NO ATTACKS ON OUR COUNTRY AND TWO OTHERS ARE SET FREE.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
dirty hairy,
I see you are not on your toes as uusual @12:14. Now let me remind you.
There are these little ol’ folks with guns, bombs. suicide bombers and plans for wmds..all dying to dump on America and kill us and our freedom. They are called t-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t-s. Now try to remember. Does 9/11 ring a bell?
Although Bush had been in office only 8 months and Clinton had cut the armed forces to the bone, America rose up under Bush’s leadership and fought BACK.
REMEMBER??WE HAVE HAD NO ATTACKS ON OUR COUNTRY AND TWO OTHERS ARE SET FREE.
Have fun, hairy, and perk up. I’ve gone to lunch.
By Willie
August 27, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
Dirty Harry: You need to bathe in truth…not misinformation by ,liberals, drive by medias, and special interests. DENNIS: Those that were killed in the towers and elswhere were free too. Bush was in office nine months and bill and hil for eight years. YOU and others think we live in a democracy! We do not! We live in a representative republic. Liberals,like BHO want to make it a socialist state. Your affiliation has taken away more of my rights and American traditions than anyone. You call it progressive. Freedom like you describe it would mean everyone has to be perfect. Your still living in a low oxygen environment AF person.
By Ricardo
August 27, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Why do liberals and Democrats like Hillary point to the audience and wave like they are actually acknowledging a real person or something? Just how stupid do they think we are? For those mindless sheeple in the audience sucking that up, the answer is pretty self explanatory.
Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington’s Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party’s nomination for president.
That guy really believes he’s the Appointed One to be our next president, doesn’t he? Don’t bank on it Barack, your Biden pick just sent McCain ahead of you in the polls - and this is right smack in the middle of the DNC convention.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx
By Willie
August 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
Dirty Harry: You need to bathe in truth…not misinformation by ,liberals, drive by medias, and special interests. DENNIS: Those that were killed in the towers and elswhere were free too. Bush was in office nine months and bill and hil for eight years. YOU and others think we live in a democracy! We do not! We live in a representative republic. Liberals,like BHO want to make it a socialist state. Your affiliation has taken away more of my rights and American traditions than anyone. You call it progressive. Freedom like you describe it would mean everyone has to be perfect. You’re still living in a low oxygen environment AF person.
By Willie
August 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
Dirty Harry: You need to bathe in truth…not misinformation by ,liberals, drive by medias, and special interests. DENNIS: Those that were killed in the towers and elswhere were free too. Bush was in office nine months and bill and hil for eight years. YOU and others think we live in a democracy! We do not! We live in a representative republic. Liberals,like BHO want to make it a socialist state. Your affiliation has taken away more of my rights and American traditions than anyone. You call it progressive. Freedom like you describe it would mean everyone has to be perfect. You’re still living in a low oxygen environment AF person.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Sorry about the double post. Didn’t mean to tell you twice. But you can read it three times if you want to. Bye!!
By dirty harry
August 27, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
WILLIE..You only need to hit the post button once…If you can’t handle that small chore…Why should I believe you?
By Older Reporter
August 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
It’s official: Mr. Woo, of China, has writers block. Give it a rest, sir.
I noticed a cow stuck to my refrigerator door this morning. How he got there I’ll never know.
I know, I’ve got writer’s block too. Well U can kiss my aging baby boomer patoot, then.
By buster brown
August 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 12:59 PM
Well, now we know that WILLIE is DUSTY!
By hotlanta
August 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
I saw Hiliary people raising their signs but I didn’t see one raising a check to pay off her campaign debt. She didn’t have to mention Bill. She finally got that call at 3:00am and they told her that he is not worth mentioning.
By hotlanta
August 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
I saw Hiliary people raising their signs but I didn’t see one raising a check to pay off her campaign debt. She didn’t have to mention Bill. She finally got that call at 3:00am and they told her that he is not worth mentioning.
By buck
August 27, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
why would anybody in they right mind vote for a muslim named hussien for potus
By Charles
August 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
findog @ 10:57 AM:
Just ask Joe Biden! He’ll tell you he’s the smartest man alive!
never mind that he’s a plagiarist
By reebok
August 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Typical Jim Wooten drivel. Hillary Clinton graduated an Ivy-league law school at the top of her class. She got elected Senator and has served with distinction. She narrowly missed becoming the first female candidate for President (of a major party, at least). And she gave a wonderful, powerful speech last night with the whole world watching. And to Jim Wooten, she’s suspect because she didn’t define herself as a “wife’ and “mother,” apparently the only 2 roles that are acceptable for women in his worldview. I think Jim wants to build a Bridge to the 18th Century.
By Dusty
August 27, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Yeth..buster brown…and you are a pair of shoes….U figure it out…
By tcoach
August 27, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Common Sense did you really say terrorism is played up? I was a soph. in college on 9/11/01 but that was not played up in any way. Some of you have such short memories. I strongly disagree with the job that Pres. Bush has done however there has been a democratic congress for the last 2 years, and check your facts and stats that time period is when things took a sharp decline downward. I think some of you forget how hard of a job and responsibility being President of the USA is. This is not an easy job that any of you could do, most the people on this blog are not fit to be president of their local high schools prom committee, including myself. Therfor whoever gets elected in my opinion is in for a long hard 4 years, and I do not think either will be re-elceted after 4 years.
By jbmlaw
August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Hi. I am the blogger formerly known as jbmlaw and pledge to use that handle again, foregoing backfaj and Dagmar Rheinhold and all these other names that people can’t keep track of. Thank you.
By MikeB
August 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
One more thing…….. Picking Biden for a running mate, really shows that the democratic machine is running things not Barrack Obama’s ppl.
For him to give up that much control over his own fate show’s his inexperience, and is another example of his poor decision making skills. Yes he can recite a speach with the best of em, and he is no dummy. He is however easily led and naive.
By Copyleft
August 27, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Looks like Mr. Wooten read his talking-points memo for today!
“We can’t come up with anything bad about what Hilary DID say… so let’s focus on inventing stuff she DIDN’T say and criticize that. Yeah, that’ll fool America!”
Good luck with that one, Republicans.
By Viva Fidel
August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Cuba’s campaign contribution.
He speaks spanish BO!
By Three Hour Tour
August 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
If sure is fun watching Dimocrats continue to tear each other apart over Barack vs. Hillary. By the way, is this a convention to nominate Barack or to watch the Clintons talk about themselves?
As for Michelle Obama’s speech, she said she loves her country. Contrasted to what she said a few months ago about it, I’ll truly believe it after she says the same thing after her husband loses to McCain.
Anyone else get the feeling that about half the Dimwits at the convention are having serious issues with who they chose to be the presidential nominee? Oh wait, it was the (DNC) media that did that selecting.
It doesn’t get any better than this!
By Denver Dem
August 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
So Bush was in office ONLY 8 months?
Is around 240 days not enough time to kinda figure out how to read memos that state some people may crash planes into buildings?
So at what point WOULD you consider it long enough where the sitting president would be a little responsible? 1 year? 2 years? 6 years? If another attack happened today, would it still be Bill Clinton’s fault?
What a sad life Dusty must lead. She probably drug her azz out of bed a little after 9:00, posted for the first time today at 9:33, grabbed a quick break “to lunch” and then right back at the keyboard and screen for the rest of the day.
Jeez, as the old saying goes, get a life.
By buster brown
August 27, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
By Dusty @ 1:14 PM
Actually I would say that post is not the REAL Dusty!
Imposter…Get it right! If you want to post as Dusty you need to lead off by saying George Bush has protected us. He has freed two other countries, He is a genius, we are all safe today from terrorists…Ya di ya di dah!
Get it??? IMPOSTER
By still free
August 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this
Dusty: while w had only been president for 8 months when the twin towers were struck down, he has been president for almost seven years since then, yet Osama Bin Laden still remains free at large - despite w’s declaration of “dead or alive”.
By GMAN
August 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
My friends, during those 5½ years, when I was held prisoner by the Vietnamese, I didn’t have a zipper… and that’s why I couldn’t keep it zipped-up once I came home (if you know what I mean)!
GOP - Taking Pride in Ignorance!
By Get Real
August 27, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
I’m sure Wooten’s post will attract a lot of unmarried women to the republican party:
“It’s true that unmarried women are drawn to the Democratic Party. For many, government is the supporting husband — if not directly, then in providing the back-up financial security that marriage once represented.”
How do you do it Wooten? I mean they really pay you for this? What will you be saying when McCain chooses Leiberman to be his VP?
By SansBS
August 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Ricardo I have to say that you are a moron. ALL politicians, Democrat AND Republican, do this.
It is a part of the address protocol per se, and is only intended to add drama and fill time as they transition to and from the speaking platform. How stupid can you be? Oh it appears you’re a Republican hack…question answered. Nevermind.
By Sam
August 27, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Why would any citizen of the USA…regardless of race….want a man of MUSLIM decent with the middle name HUSSEIN to be president of the united states. And why Biden???? He is from Deleware, with like 4 electoral votes. LOL..what a dumb move by the Obama camp. If this is gonna be a tight race, then wouldnt it have made sense to pic a running mate that could win a swing state, which is how this election will be won!!!!
By Ray
August 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Rudi put the command center in the target?
Bush, the leader of the free world, got owned by a guy who lives in a cave?
McCain pounds his chest becuase he got shot down and captured?
Bob Barr ‘08 - Fiscal Conservatives with a knolwlege of National Defense do have another option.
By tspec
August 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
I can’t wait for your election opionions, I have saved quite a few of your posts over the years especially the ones where you preached about why Mccain wouldn’t make a good president!!!!!!!
I’m ready for the Flip-Flop!
By @@
August 27, 2008 2:31 PM |