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DEL.ICIO.USHold adults accountable for the life they conceive
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Can he say that?
We’re talking Emory University here.
I ask in admiration, since John Witte Jr., director of the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory, in his Sunday @issue article “Sex may be free, but children come with a cost we must accept,” pulls no punches in admonishing adults for the harm they inflict. He uses words that are plain and descriptive, identifying irresponsible adults as “adulterers and fornicators” whose irresponsibility creates “illegitimate children.”
His plain-spokenness and forthrightness are welcome. But in the modern world, where euphemisms are invented for all conduct or situations that could possibly result in any individual feeling shame, or suffering any loss of self-esteem, speaking plainly is simply not done. I fear for his safety — it’s a liberal-arts re-education camp for John Witte, for sure. I must remember to send him cigarettes soon as I know which camp.
Witte’s argument is that adults pay little or no penalty for causing life, with the result that ” 28 percent of all Caucasian, 50 percent of all Hispanic, and 71 percent of all African-American children were born to single mothers in 2007,” at a cost to taxpayers of $112 billion per year.
“Compared with children born and raised within marital households, nonmarital children on average impose substantially higher costs on society for anti-poverty, criminal justice and education programs and in lost tax revenues,” he writes. Those costs exceeded $1 trillion over the past decade, according to the Institute for American Values, he continues.
But rather than visit that cost on the rest of us, a greater burden should be placed on both adults “whose sexual dalliances produce children.” Contraception is available and cheap. Those who opt to ignore it, resulting in life, should be forced to pay support sufficient to guarantee that a child born outside marriage has a comparable living standard to children born to adults who marry.
Witte’s remedies include aggressive maternity and paternity suits, punitive-damage and estate lawsuits by illegitimate children when they reach adulthood, and concerted adoption efforts.
In an apparent effort to secure for himself a better daily work assignment or more morsels of food in the re-education camp, Witte is quick to remind readers that his proposals are not “grumpy conservatism but elementary liberalism.”
Whatever. Conservatism is never “grumpy” to those who understand its magnetic power to transform lives for the better, but if the gentleman wishes to throw us under the bus to advance his efforts to force adults to accept their “moral and fiscal” responsibilities to children, so be it.
It may be intrusive liberalism to suggest, as he does, that “birth certificates should carry more specific information about both parents — not just their names and addresses, as now, but their Social Security numbers, blood types and genetic data as well.” That would be combined with “a national registry of these birth certificates … to ensure that parents can be found regardless of where they move,” the better and easier for government authorities to track them down.
The discussion of Witte’s proposals ends here, but not before again noting the important role he plays in focusing national attention on a crisis of the culture.
Without question, when 38 percent of children are born to single women and to men who are most likely walk-aways, serious changes in the law, in the media, in the conversations on campuses, and in the middle class and in churches, are required. Adults deserve every protection of the law — until the moment they conceive. Then the law’s obligation shifts to the interests of the child until the age of majority. We should be prepared, as taxpayers, to pay $1,000 to collect $1 if it results in compelling an adult to recognize responsibility. An adult’s lifestyle is secondary to the child’s.
Every institution has a role.
As the Parents Television Council reported last week, prime-time television is overwhelmingly drawn to nonmarital sex in conversation and visuals. TV helped to turn the nation on cigarettes; its dialogue and scenes determine the norms.
It does not take a village. It takes a mother and a father.
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By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 8:07 AM | Link to this
I agree. It’s pathetic that us working people have to pay for other people’s babies. You chose to have 6 babies w/ different dad’s…deal with it.
By BFKaJ
August 12, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Dr. (Rev?) Witte sounds like a grumpy leftist to me, and perhaps his program is grumpy nanny-statism. When we are talking about children perhaps some limited nanny-statism is appropriate. I can thus justify government funding schools, even if I don’t like the government-directed indoctrination facilities. I can rationalize an effective database – no reason to limit that idea to sexual predators I suppose. I have some quibbles around the edges – think perhaps posting the social security numbers online is a bit much, and don’t like barratry. Still, I am with Jim on this – it is refreshing to hear anyone urging consideration of real, personal familial duties.
By Karen
August 12, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this
Childen from divorce and unwed parents cost U.S. taxpayers $112 billion per year according to a study. If we outlaw abortion, we can expect that tab to increase. Are pro-lifers willing to pay more taxes to support those unwanted kids?
By Shawny
August 12, 2008 8:11 AM | Link to this
Why Catholics can’t vote for Obama
By candide
August 12, 2008 8:15 AM | Link to this
Sterilize the poor!
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this
Shawny, as a Christian, all i can saw is wow. I’m appauled people are actually voting for a man who supports murder. Wake up people, come on!
Forget McCain ‘08…it’s Anit-Obama ‘08, Nobama ‘08
By School marm
August 12, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Geez H. Louise, Peadawg. It’s too early to this crud. Please learn to spell. Thanks.
By T
August 12, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Peadawg
We end up paying for them in a lot of ways. By means of the prison system, and welfare. Your insurance deductable when one of the little angels breaks into your private property. Increased prices at stores, because they are being robbed.
The sad thing is, as a society we have let these parents (non parents) place the responsibility of raising their children on the general public. It’s time to stop the madness. Take care of your own children. Or a least give me the right to take my belt off and do a little parenting when your screaming kid is cursing you out in the store. (As you use your food stamp card.)
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
T @ 8:40
I couldn’t agree more w/ ur 2nd paragraph…well said!!!
By Dan
August 12, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of their own folly is to fill the world with fools. The plain truth is the more we help people like this the more of them there will be to help. Mr. Witte points out the problem, but addressing it with more laws is frightning.
By Another Christian
August 12, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
Geez H. Louise, School marm. Its too early FOR this crud. Please learn how to write. Thanks.
By Tina Trent
August 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
And thus ends 44 years of insanity.
Pat Moynihan was right (except insomuch as he forgot to mention the part about male responsibility, and pols from both sides of the aisle compounded the mistake for almost half a century).
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Here’s an idea: 1) Make birth control an over the counter medication instead of depending on the idealism of some pharmacist who may/may not believe in birth control and who may refuse to fill your prescription on “moral” grounds. Also make the “Morning After” pill accessible and over-the-counter.
2) Stop harrassing abortion clinics and people who want to have abortions
3) Sex education in schools, (Just Say No ain’t working folks — not with Britney Spears’ sister or Betty Lou’s niece)
4) More programs where teens actually have to “foster” a baby for 3-4 weeks; give them a taste of what it’s REALLY like to be a parent
5) Stop preaching and start TALKING to teenagers — throwing bible verses at them is not helping; talk to them about the real consequences of unplanned pregnancies
6) Make abortions accessible to teenagers — without both parents consent.
7) Stop blaming Black Women for the ills of the world. The teenage pregnancy rate for Black females have went DOWN in the past few years. The majority of black women who are now single parents, are all over 25 and are in a middle-income bracket. So stop telling lies, you ain’t taking care of their children; they’re doing it themselves. As a matter of record the birth rate for single women PERIOD between the age of 20-44 has risen substantially in the last few years; however the birth rate for unmarried BLACK women has fallen.
And 8) Those without sin, (that leaves you out Wooten — you’re a well known liar and idolator) — cast the first stone. All your sanctimonious bellowing just covers up your own dirt it doesn’t hide it.
By Ray
August 12, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this
I’m sick and tired of paying other people’s bills. 43M people in this great nation pay no income tax and probably a good percentage of those are sperminators who think it’s cool to impregnate every skirt that walks by. But it takes two. I blame the females as much as the sperminators. You don’t have to spread your legs for every “cool dude” that walks by and if having kids increases your welfare check, you are as much to blame as Jerome.
By hillbilly ragger
August 12, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this
More thin gruel from Jim, with the usual targets—liberal academics, po’ folks, women, and po’ folks.
And the usual solution: more heavy-handed government regulation of po’ folks.
Lap it up, wingers. This is as good as it gets for you.
By Just Nasty and Mean
August 12, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
G’mornin Jim, et al,
As long as the government (productive taxpayers) keep picking up the tap for illegitimate children, and the fathers (and mothers) skate by without carrying a larger proportion of the financial burden of producing a child, we will continue to get what we have—-an overall 38% illegitimate rates—or worse.
It cannot be disputed that Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society program and War on Poverty has done more to disembowel and disintegrate more poor and minority families than any government program in history. And it continues today.
Political Correctness prohibits us from “shaming” parents for their irresponsible acts for fear it would reflect on the child. Moreover, we REWARD such behavior with additional child support at the public dole.
If you are going to hang the taxpaying public with the costs, then we should get a larger say on the limits we must put on such behavior.
1st—the father WILL be identified with blood test verification. If you don’t ID the baby’s daddy, you lose a large proportion of your welfare to help support the kid (see how this works A PENALTY for bad behavior!).
2nd) You have one illegitimate child thats on the dole and you lose a portion of your welfare to support the child.
3rd) Have a 2nd fatherless child, and you must be sterilized before you receive another cent in public assistance.
Yes—*A PENALTY for behavior that harms the rest of us (and the child). *
By ProV
August 12, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Another perfect example of individuals that have kids out of wed lock that don’t want to admit to it……….is wink wink John Edwards, yes guys he also would be fall under all of those scenarios, his daughter will become a worthless stripper at the cheetah (dancing with class) and her mother will be another single parent, bitter woman to raise other bitter women. So it is not just the poor that suffer read the papers or maybe in between the line. However, for the people that are married and living the perfect lives, most of the women are abused, and depressed. Oh and there husbands have fixations with seven year old boys. But thats American for ya, if it not happening in your own backyard then turn your head.
By ron
August 12, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim ,I too read Dr.Witte Jr’s piece and like us he has a problem with no solution.Being able to track the parents would help,then what?Soome states revoke licences of dead beat parents and I mean all licences.This works quite well as payments of child support rise.
Perhaps tracking and revoking licences is a way to start,then expand until all the dead beats are paying at least something.
The carrot method has never worked well when it comes to child support but the stick method has been proven to work.
By ProV
August 12, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Another perfect example of individuals that have kids out of wed lock that don’t want to admit to it……….is wink wink John Edwards, yes guys he also would fall under all of those scenarios, his daughter will become a worthless stripper at the cheetah (dancing with class) and her mother will be another single parent, bitter woman to raise other bitter women. So it is not just the poor that suffer read the papers or maybe in between the line. However, for the people that are married and living the perfect lives, most of the women are abused, and depressed. Oh and there husbands have fixations with seven year old boys. But thats American for ya, if it not happening in your own backyard then turn your head.
By A turned cheek fka School marm
August 12, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
Thanks Christian for reminding me to accept the things I cannot change and the courage to tell you to stfu and gfy.
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
How about this suggestion:
Limit the # of children someone can have to 2 and steralize them after that?
By Mid-South Philosopher
August 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim.
You know that you and I are in 100% agreement on this issue.
That being said, the very nature of the administration of our national and state governments since the time of F.D.R. has been to stress the role and expand the power of “state nannydom”, while neutering the authority of parents. This has been practiced by both political camps, albeit for separate reasons.
The institution of school (that dumping ground for all those chores with which the other elements of society do not wish to grapple) has been called upon to address the issue.
The mandate: Reduce teen promiscuity and teen pregnancy, but don’t distribue condoms. Stress abstinence, and don’t provide real sex education information. What they don’t know won’t hurt them.
As a consequent, the schools’ efforts have been less than an overwhelming success. To wit: the number of child care centers now attached to high schools across America!
The answer, indeed, will be found in holding procreators (male and female)legally accountable for the offspring they produce. As my old man use to tell me, “Boy, if you are going to dance, you have to pay the fiddler!”
It is time folks “paid” for their “fiddling around.”
By Why
August 12, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Any fool can have a baby (and many do).
The problem is a generational dependency on, and expected entitlement from, the government to support these children (usually from different fathers) and their mother.
How is it that China is able to limit the number of children born to parents (notice I said parents)?
Until we stop supporting this segment of our population who should not have children the problem will continue. The lifelong cost burden (including crime) on society by these children (and their mother)is substantial!!! Of course, Obama and others are more than willing to expand government, re-distribute wealth, provide tax “rebates” (what a misnomer!) to this population to continue and perpetuate this problem….(of course it adds more Democratic voters…)!!!
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Raise your hand if you personally do NOT know any DIVORCED parents who either have to beg and plead for their random support checks, or hire pigs, er, I mean lawyers with money they don’t have for repeated contempt suits, or simply learn to do without it. Anyone? Anyone? Now raise your hand if you personally know any single parents supporting their children via welfare.
Mr. Wooten, where’s your column outlining your ideas for ENFORCEMENT OF COURT-ORDERED CHILD SUPPORT? Most of the struggling parents I know (men AND women) WERE MARRIED when they bore children, and now receive partial, if any, of the support ordered by the courts. Guess what? Enforcement is next to impossible when they hide the money or refuse to work. No outrage for THESE parents?
Oh wait, never mind. You’re busy blaming ALL of societies problems, economic, moral and otherwise, on ME, though I’ve never received a dime of public assistance to raise my little b——-d honor student. Seriously, go Cheney yourself, Wooten.
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
Raise your hand if you personally do NOT know any DIVORCED parents who either have to beg and plead for their random support checks, or hire pigs, er, I mean lawyers with money they don’t have for repeated contempt suits, or simply learn to do without it. Anyone? Anyone? Now raise your hand if you personally know any single parents supporting their children via welfare.
Mr. Wooten, where’s your column outlining your ideas for ENFORCEMENT OF COURT-ORDERED CHILD SUPPORT? Most of the struggling parents I know (men AND women) WERE MARRIED when they bore children, and now receive partial, if any, of the support ordered by the courts. Guess what? Enforcement is next to impossible when they hide the money or refuse to work. No outrage for THESE parents?
Oh wait, never mind. You’re busy blaming ALL of societies problems, economic, moral and otherwise, on ME, though I’ve never received a dime of public assistance to raise my little b——-d honor student. Seriously, go Cheney yourself, Wooten.
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Raise your hand if you personally do NOT know any DIVORCED parents who either have to beg and plead for their random support checks, or hire pigs, er, I mean lawyers with money they don’t have for repeated contempt suits, or simply learn to do without it. Anyone? Anyone? Now raise your hand if you personally know any single parents supporting their children via welfare.
Mr. Wooten, where’s your column outlining your ideas for ENFORCEMENT OF COURT-ORDERED CHILD SUPPORT? Most of the struggling parents I know (men AND women) WERE MARRIED when they bore children, and now receive partial, if any, of the support ordered by the courts. Guess what? Enforcement is next to impossible when they hide the money or refuse to work. No outrage for THESE parents?
Oh wait, never mind. You’re busy blaming ALL of societies problems, economic, moral and otherwise, on ME, though I’ve never received a dime of public assistance to raise my little b——-d honor student. Seriously, go Cheney yourself, Wooten.
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Single Mom: “…though I’ve never received a dime of public assistance…”
We’re not talking about you. We’re talking about people who have 5,6,7 kids who can’t afford it and live off welfare. If you are a single mom, doing well, and can afford it…more power to you. you have all my respect. It’s the ones that have mulitple children, and keep having children just for the welfare check, that I’m talking about
By Dan
August 12, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Maybe Debbiedoright should change her name to Debbie don’t have a clue 1) Make birth control an over the counter medication -Riigght as if the pill and morning after pill don’t need a doctors advice, that is idiotic and would cause far more medical problems 2) Stop harrassing abortion clinics -and people maybe we can also euthanize kids within a year if the babydaddy skips out too
3) Sex education in schools, (Just Say No ain’t working folks) -what??? how do you know? thats not in the school curiculums whats not working is the politically correct sex ed classes being rammed down the throats of 2nd graders 4) More programs where teens actually have to “foster” a baby for 3-4 weeks; give them a taste of what it’s REALLY like to be a parent.
-This one you have a slight clue on although if families would stay together, kids would have that ability to observe that at home
5) Stop preaching and start TALKING to teenagers — throwing bible verses at them is not helping; - back to what the real problem is nonsensical politically correct sex ed. I am pretty sure the unwed birth rates are far lower in the church congregations than the school pop in general
6) Make abortions accessible to teenagers — sure have significant surgery without parental consent.
-You would probably be the first to sue if something went wrong, not to mention you are infringing on the right of a parent to raise their child. This is perhaps the most inane of all your rants
7) Stop blaming Black Women for the ills of the world. The teenage pregnancy rate for Black females have went DOWN in the past few years. -even if you take your erroneous facts as true, just read 71% of births to AA are to single parents. Nuff said, that is inexcusable and indefensible by any standard 8) Those without sin, (that leaves you out Wooten — you’re a well known liar and idolator) — cast the first stone. All your sanctimonious bellowing just covers up your own dirt it doesn’t hide it. -It seems you are throwing a few stones of your own spewing all the leftists talking points that have time and time again proved ineffective
By GOPs got to go
August 12, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Please explain to me why Insurance companies are continuing to get away with not covering BCPs and yet cover Viagra and other erection drugs? This is a true outrage. The ridiculous discrepancy in male versus female responsibility for sex, men are encouraged to have it and women have to foot their own bill for contraception. And don’t even get me started on the Catholic Church’s take on birth control.
By CJ
August 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
It’s irresponsible for a mother to have more children than she and her family can personally afford to support without welfare assistance. In 99% of the cases, the mother has a choice of using birth control or getting pregnant. So many times welfare mothers see another child as another check - we have to break this cycle!
By ron
August 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Single Mom,
I indicated that some states revoke licences of parents that don’t pay child support.In those states there are a lot of people that don’t have to wait for their payments.They are there on time,every time.They’ve solved a large part of the problem.
What remains of the problem are the cronic non-payers.These have to be dealt with.They don’t care if they have a license of any kind and they don’t care if they work.
Might I recommend caning as a behavorial modifier in these cases? I understand it’s quite effective in the countries where it’s employed.
By GOPs got to go
August 12, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
And please let’s not forget the Mormon Fundamentalists who are the world’s best procreators with 50-60 kids a piece who are also on “the dole”. They proudly take their share of welfare and then laugh at Uncle Sam, Mormons, sticking to the man. ( And the little girls)
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
My apologies for the multiple post. I clicked the Refresh button too soon. So sorry!
Peadawg, how many of these moms who have “5,6,7 kids” and live off welfare do you know? And of all the welfare recipients in this country, what percentage does your particular demographic of outrage represent? And of the single parents who need welfare to feed their kids, HOW MANY ARE DIVORCED? I personally have known only a handful of parents who, at some point, used public assistance to put food on their families (to quote our leader), and they were abandonded financially by their legally-wed (and divorced) husbands and wives.
But please continue being selective in your outrage while you pretend the institution of marriage in this country actually constitutes something more than a funnel to direct money that should feed, educate, and provide health care for children into the pockets of unscrupulous divorce attorneys who perpetuate a system that benefits only them.
By AJCSUCKS
August 12, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
We could just sell the surplus babies at a discount to the Russians, since they are in need of more troops, both now and in 20 odd years. Capitalism at work, right stupids. Right wing jesus freaks are just plain and simple against sex for fun, they oppose condoms and birth control pills and devices as well as abortion. Next thing you know, they will also oppose vasectomy. Cound they all be HOMO’s in denial?
By Ray
August 12, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this
GOP got to go,
The last time I looked, there has to be two people involved to conceive a child. The best birth control method that I know of is to not have unprotected sex, no matter who pays for it. Stop blaming insurance companies for your own irresponsibility. Insurance companies don’t pay for a lot of things but that is no excuse for dodging the bullet with unprotected sex and burdening the tax paying public with your mistakes. Whatever happened to the old fashioned notion that we are responsible for our own actions?
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
AJCSUCKS, I’m a happily married “jesus freak.” My wife uses bc and I use condems. We do make love for fun. If the condem breaks or something strange happens and she gets pregnant, we will take responsibility and raise the child. We plan on having 2 kids, and after that, I’m getting “snipped.”
So who exactly are you talking about here?
By Redneck Convert
August 12, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m for the good Conservative solution to all these ba**d kids. Lock the dads up in camps and make them work for the state during the day and use the wages to support the kids. Round up the women and fix them the way you would fix a female cat. Just don’t raise my taxes.
Anyhow, the more we can punish them the better off we’ll be. They got to learn. If you do You Know What, you are going to pay. That’s the way it is in the Bible and that’s good enough for me.
If we don’t put a stop to this stuff, pretty soon we’ll be overrun with Those People. They are the ones that keep having the ba**ds. In 20 or 30 years they will be out-voting us and GA will be a welfare state. There won’t even be enough of a paycheck left to buy a can of Skoal or a six-pack of PBR.
I expect the best way to put a stop to all this You Know What is to make them get marryed. It works pretty good for reglar marryed people. That You Know What comes to a end a couple months after you say I Do. But then the libruls would be screaming about rights and such and we would be in court for the next 50 years.
So I say use the Conservative solution. Don’t settle for six months in jail if you can get the Death Penalty. And don’t pay taxes to support the ba**rd kids if you can make the dads and moms regret the day they were born. Let’s get rid of the welfare and the other guvmint programs and let the parents and kids fend for theirselfs. Except for locking up the dads and making them work and fixing the women.
Well, I got to head down to the Church of Holiness to help plan the big revival meeting. We are using the slogan Love Thy Neybor for this one. Have a good day everybody.
By No, really
August 12, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
If you want men to be financially responsible for their spawn, make the child support collections department a two-part system. Go up to the teller with your cash, certified check or money order. Or go to the operating room down the hall to turn in your testicles.
By Maniac is accurate
August 12, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
If you want men to be financially responsible for their spawn, make the child support collections department a two-part system. Go up to the teller with your cash, certified check or money order. Or go to the operating room down the hall to turn in your testicles.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Dan: even if you take your erroneous facts as true, just read 71% of births to AA are to single parents. Nuff said
I proved my statistic, (which came from the CDC), can you prove yours, (that means with facts — not somethig you heard off of Fox News).
1) Abortions should be available to every woman who wishes to have them without the sanctimonious bleating of the right-winged sheep. Don’t wanna pay for “others” children? Allow women who wish to have abortions to HAVE them without people of your ilk picketing and bombing the abortion clinics.
2) For the LAST TIME, you will not be aborting a CHILD — you will be aborting a fetus that can not sustain life outside of the womb. If you can prove that a fetus CAN sustain life outside the womb THEN you’d have an argument, but for now all you have is emotion and scare tactics. Nuff said.
PS: Here’s the link to the report (if you’re really interested in reading the truth, if not, keep your head in the sand and keep quoting Faux News. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_15.pdf )
By singlemomsareeasy
August 12, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
Single moms are easy, that is why they are moms.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
CJ: So many times welfare mothers see another child as another check - we have to break this cycle!
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about — it’s so evident in your post!! I’m a former Case worker for Georgia DFACS and believe me, that “extra” money that comes with an “extra” child is a whopping, (back in 2004) $25.00 more a month!!! WOW!!! That’ll buy a LOT of stuff huh?
Please read about the “new” guidelines that the Clinton Administration put in place for taking women off of the welfare roles and putting them to work. If you’d read those, see EXACTLY how much “extra” money someone gets for another child; you wouldn’t make such statements. Well, at least not with a straight, self-righteous face.
By GOPs got to go
August 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Ray,
What a bunch of BS. Sounds to me like you are a viagra user. I stand by the sexism of Insurance companys. By the way I am married and have been with 1 man for 30 years and have managed to concieve when I wanted to.
By ButtHead
August 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Education is key to this issue, look what happens when schools, and parents fail. The more educated you are then the less likely that you will make a dumb decision.
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
I’m calling B.S. on P’s 10:09 post. First, men don’t like condoms. Not needing to use them is the main selling point of monogamy. A married man whose wife is on BC is not likely to use them. (Hence the whole “lets get married and does your insurance cover the pill” idea.) Second, when you buy a box of condoms, the contents are labeled and spelled correctly. A man who slips one on his winky night after night knows how to spell it. Third, P doesn’t even HAVE any children yet! HAHAHA! Yet he feels perfectly qualified to comment all day long about the mistakes and challenges of people who do. Come back when you’ve been there and done that, dude. What are you, 26? 27? And already so full of outrage at a world you magically seem to understand better than everyone else. You’ll be loads of fun when you’re an old man like Wooten! Hahaha!
By Ray
August 12, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Debbie,
You don’t get pregnant unless you allow it to happen. Blaming abortion clinic demonstrators, flaunting statistics, blaming insurance companies, the right wing church, global warming and who knows what else is dodging the bullet. Just keep your legs together unless you have BC protection and this is not a problem. It is not someone else’s fault.
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Single Mom
I can see it now, you’re the type of woman who hates all men. “all men are pigs” “all men this” “all men that” “all men hate condems” “all men” “all men”
By jm
August 12, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
spend a $1000 of taxpayers money to collect $1 - yep that sums up Wooten’s and the GOP’s brand of conservatism.
By Dusty
August 12, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Yes, Jim Wooten, a very straight forward piece you gave us this morning. But as usual, problems always arise.
We all love children. Right?
But…if we don’t help the helpless chidren without apparent fathers, that is WRONG. Children suffer.
But…if we help them, everybody gets rotten spoiled and repeats bad behavior. That is WRONG. Children suffer.
It appears you and Witte have taken the “hard nose” approach i.e. give ‘em hell in every form and let the chips fall where they may.
A just and moral life would solve all the problems but that is too hard for most mortals. So we keep on tryng to solve the subsequent problems with dozens of trite suggestions. I’ll add mine: Behave! Do the best you can! Hang in there!! Don’t love ‘em and leave ‘em! Adopt a father by marriage!
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 12, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Frankly, I think every sperm should be bar coded for tracking.
I mean, a woman might produce 5-600 eggs in her lifetime. A man produces more gametes than that when he sneezes while watching Baywatch!
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Peadawg, actually no, not at all. I actually prefer the company of men, especially during football season. (Two and a half weeks!!!) But calling a woman a “man hater” when you have nothing else is such a refreshing tactic. Would you like a little gold star for originality? Divorce lawyers ARE scum-sucking pigs (according to 9 out of 10 divorcees — feel free to do your own poll), and men DO hate condoms because they reduce the intensity of the physical sensation of intercourse. But please continue yammering on as if you are an expert about things you know little about. With any luck at all, you’ll wind up walking a mile in the shoes of the people you think you understand though you’ve never met them. Now wouldn’t that be a blessing?
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Ray: Let’s blame the FEMALE how about that!!! Your “keep your legs closed” comment is classic!!! It’s ALWAYS the FEMALE’s FAULT!! Hurry up Ray, grab some stones so that you can cast the first one!!
Peadawg: In defense of the Single Mom; by telling the TRUTH why is she labeled a “man hater”? Why didn’t you label her a “Truth Sayer”? Why do you hate women so?
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this
Debbie do right, a fetus can survive outside of the womb, that is how it happens when babies are premature. I am a father who did have my child out of wedlock. And from going through the entire process I can firmly say this about hose who choose to have an abortion. This does not include those who were reaped or anything like that, only those who willingly had sex. To those who abort, you are the most selfish, egotystical, heartless, uncaring, people who place extreamly too much importance on your own life I have ever seen. From my expierience most of the many people that I knew at our college who had abortions it was always for their own self indulgent reasons (usually they did not want to give up partying) My sons mother and I are now married and we never once used the governments money and I still managed to graduate from school, as did she. We just made a commitment to do things right. It was not easy and that is all an abortion does is make things easier for those who practice it. Abortions are just a means to irradicate consequenses and responsibilities. My son is the best thing in my life and could not imagine a day w/o him. Which also to those of you in favor of cancelling anothers heartbeat(aborting a fetus) and that say well it did not happen alone, that is crap b/c a baby can be aborted w/o any consent of the father, so for one if you want more dad’s to be there give them a voice and a choice from conception on.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
tcoach: Before answering your comment, please look up the word “fetus” in the dictionary or on WEBMD.com; then look up the words “premature infant”. If you still can’t understand the difference, I’ll answer your comment then.
By Copyleft
August 12, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
Shawny: Interesting how these “devout Catholics” found a way to support Bush, then. Given his waging of a war their own church has condemned, not to mention the torture and imprisonment-without-charge thing, and the CIA renditions…
All things the Catholic Church is solidly against. And yet, American Catholics still found a way to vote for the warmonger. Huh!
It’s almost like they don’t actually CARE about their own church’s principles, so much as they just hate liberals (the REAL Americans).
By Marc
August 12, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Stop whining. It’s the cost of freedom and maintaining a stable society.
By BFKaJ
August 12, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Dear Debbie @ 8:56, at risk of disconcerting you, I mostly agree with your arguments #1 and #4.
1 - Any and all drugs ought to be sold over the counter to any buyer over age 18. Pharmacists are a fully-sufficient source of any necessary medical information. I think an essential corollary of your proposed change is abolition of tort claims against drug manufacturers. 4 – Your real-life exercise initially sounds like a good idea to me, except I dislike the idea of using real children as mere training devices for partially-responsible older children. Let’s stick with the computerized toys. That was one virtue of earlier generations, when the older children helped care for the younger ones.In character for me, I disagree with those elements of your post that assert an unborn child is a mere tumor, and that the Wisdom of the Ages is unworthy of dissemination.
Dear got to go @ 9:48, I agree with you, that recreational drugs ought not be covered by health insurance programs.
By ButtHead
August 12, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Come on now, we all know that some how we need to blame Bush for all these babies out of wedlock.
By Ray
August 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Debbie,
I am not blaming just the female, both partners have an equal responsibility. But the female is the gate keeper in this whole thing. Without her cooperation, unless forced, the event just will not happen. With men thinking about sex every 20 or 30 seconds, someone has to hold this thing in check and it is usually the female. Like it or not, that’s reality and we have to live with it.
By hillbilly ragger
August 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
Copyleft @ 10.53, I don’t think it’s accurate to say the RCC is “solidly” against those things you’d mentioned. “Squishily” would be more like it.
Fact is, the RCC has taken pains in these last two Presidential election cycles to provide cover for those who support pre-emptive war, torture, and the death penalty, while providing the means to deny communion to those who so much as endorse a pro-choice candidate.
It’s pretty damn ugly, and worthy of criticism, but of course one publicly criticizes the Vatican at one’s political peril.
Beyond that, I think you’ll find that American catholics actually didn’t support Bush as wholeheartedly as you imagine: in 2004. This Pew poll cite does show a five point swing in Bush’s favor in ‘04, but it’s still pretty evenly split.
By glenn129
August 12, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Enough is enough! Men not supporting their children is immoral and should be stopped. The woman lets him do it and she should be punished. Do not let her have more than one if she wants welfare. Make her get steriized before she gets a welfare check to raise the child she cannot afford, and will not identify the father. When the child goes to school and if given free breakfast and lunch deduct this from the mother’s welfare check. This will make her think twice about free love. People it is all about money, they want me to give them mine, and I do not want to because I don’t have much.
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Sterilize everyone who applies for ADC. If you can’t support the one you have, you can’t have any more.
By Redneck
August 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Folks the solution to the problem is simple. If a woman has a child she cannot afford, ie: prenatal, and delivery paid by taxpayers, no means of supporting herself or child, the baby should be taken away and put into an orphanage. Should the woman have a second baby the same thing would happen but the woman would be sterilized and the sperm donor, if known would be castrated.
You would be amazed how fast the illigit birth rate would drop.
And for you anti-abortion people, before Roe vs Wade many abortions were done, they just were not paid for by the government. Back then it was common for middle aged women to be admitted to the hospital for the procedure known as DNC. I think that procedure dropped about 95 percent when Roe vs Wade became the law of the land!!!
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Debbie, sorry for misspeaking and confusing those with the fetus and premature infant comments, but still the heart begins to beat on its own at 10 weeks, and there have been premies born and survive before 21 weeks which is the norm for an acceptable date of abortion. To your point though what would you consider grabbing a baby kangaroo out of its mothers pouch and either smashing it on the ground or suck it into a vacum that rips it apart piece by piece. Is that OK because the baby kangaroo would not survive outside of its mothers pouch. Just tell me how abortion is not a selfish and uncaring way to deal with ones’ own actions.
By Jackmum
August 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
The only answer is personal responsibility. As a single mom who had a child late in life, I know my responsibility is to that child. He needs nutritious food, a good school, clean clothes and a sense of what is right and wrong. This is my responsibility, not the government’s. I am thankful I live in a country where there are avenues for help should I (or anyone else) truly need it. Being a parent is a privilege not a right.
I have a friend with a small grocery store. He will tell you that the week the food stamps are distributed, he sells out of steaks, lobster tail and Cheetos. With some people we are supporting a lifestyle and the kids get junk. Just as in the classroom or boardroom, a few can ruin it for the many. Let’s go back to ensuring that the needs of the child are met, and the adults should take care of themselves.
By mrs b
August 12, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
I have a cousin in NY who has 7…yes 7 children with 7 diff men. It would have been 8 but one was killed years ago at the age of 3 (hit by a car while she was upstairs prob getting high). these kids are now in their 20’s and late teens. my cousin has never worked a day in her life. no go figure that one.
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
If we subscribe to the European model of learning, then John Witte Jr. is absolutely correct in his assertions. Rather than visit that cost on the rest of us, a greater burden should be placed on both adults “whose sexual dalliances produce children.” Contraception is available and cheap. Those who opt to ignore it, resulting in life, should be forced to pay support sufficient to guarantee that a child born outside marriage has a comparable living standard to children born to adults who marry.
Witte’s remedies include aggressive maternity and paternity suits, punitive-damage and estate lawsuits by illegitimate children when they reach adulthood, and concerted adoption efforts… etc.
But if we subscribe to the African model of leaning as I certainly do, then society is responsible for the outcome of individuals, and should pay the price for irresponsible individuals not only in dollars, but in time and talent.
There have been two models of learning. Firstly, there was the African model of learning. “We know very well the long and rich history of higher education in Africa from the time of the flowering of the Nubian civilization, to the great temples of knowledge in Ancient Egypt, to the era of the great centers of learning in Timbuktu in the middle of the second millennium AD. Those who understood the role of a university in the greater human setting, correctly referred to the scholars of Timbuktu as ambassadors of peace”, said Thabo Mbeki, President of South Africa.
To make a long story short, the African model of learning taught the world that the group is more important than the individual and therefore responsible. Therefore, the group or society is largely the determiner of whether the individual is responsible or irresponsible.
Secondly, during the last five hundred years or so, the Eurocentric model of learning has largely replaced the African Model. This model of learning teaches that the individual is more important than the group.
To make a long story short, the European model of learning teaches the individual that we are not connected to each other, and there’s definitely not a connection between Africa and Europe. The individual is largely the determiner of his/her outcome in life. And the group, the larger society, plays little or no role in the responsibility or irresponsibility of individuals.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Ray: But the female is the gate keeper in this whole thing. Without her cooperation, unless forced, the event just will not happen. With men thinking about sex every 20 or 30 seconds, someone has to hold this thing in check and it is usually the female.
Not to sound “anti-male” but….. Why can’t the MAN take responsibility too? Isn’t this what this whole article/blog is about today? Not just the female taking responsibility but the man too? Why can’t HE become the gatekeeper? And say NO, it’s not the right time? Why must the onus ALWAYS fall upon the female?
By Peadawg
August 12, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
mrs b:
and my taxes are going to your sorry a* cousin. this is exactly what we’re talking about. steralize the girl or something, geeze.
By Just curious
August 12, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
tcoach,
How much is the hosptial bill for a premature infant born at 20-something weeks before the child can even go home? (Nevermind the cost of dealing with potential life-long medical issues resulting from premature birth.) And while we’re obsessing about who pays for what, WHO PAYS these exhorbitant medical bills? IF the parents have insurance, then Blue Cross passes the cost along to the rest of us who work to afford insurance. If they don’t, then the government (taxpayer) pays. Now compare that cost with the cost of a some food stamps for the unaborted baby of the poor woman. If you’re “pro-life,” you won’t mind paying for either cost, right? If you’re “not-on-my-dime!” focused, then you have new things to be outraged about: 40-year-old well-to-do couples using fertility treatments and having premature triplets with two-month hospital stays is raising the cost of MY health insurance!!! Plus, it’s unnatural. Do you concur?
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 12, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
did he really say “But the female is the gate keeper in this whole thing. “
way to shift responsibility for all those little swimmers dude!
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
So debbie no elequant response for the kangaroo question, is it ok to kill a baby kangaroo. Also some men do take care of thier responsibilities, but there are also some women who cannot say with any certainty who the father of their child is, but why should they if they don’t know who the dad is just kill the fetus. Right Debbie? Idiot
By glenn129
August 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Hey Charles your African Model has produced an entire subcontinent of black nations which are starving, dying of AIDS, and begging for help to survive. Lots of the independent black nations adhering to the Africian Model are killing their own by the thousands. I for one do not like the African Model, you can have it, and I do not want it over here in America.
By Jacksmum
August 12, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
To “Charles” the original…yes, in the African culture, the group does take responsibility for the individual, however, if the individual breaks with the group, they become an outcast. The group is no longer responsible for that individual. Responsibility and consequences.
BFKaJ - Viagra is not a recreational drug. ED is a real disorder. If you think about sex every 20-30 seconds and can’t act on it, you may develop some serious medical issues. ;-)
By hillbilly ragger
August 12, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
tcoach @ 11.27, I’m calling BS on your claim that “21 weeks which is the norm for an acceptable date of abortion. “
Overall, 88 percent of abortions are performed before the end of the 12th week of gestation — the first trimester. About 10 percent are done between weeks 13 and 20. About 1 percent are done at week 21 or later. A normal gestation period is 38 weeks, 40 weeks after the last menstrual period.
By gwarfan
August 12, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Look men should be using rubbers and not spreading their seed. Women need to make the men were rubbers and take the pill if you do not want to have a baby. Sadly people will get caught up in the moment. If you do not want to have a baby you do not have to have a baby in the world we live in. If you got involved with a scumbag guy that leaves and wont pay his child support that is as much on you as him. You made a bad choice in having sex with a scumbag. If you can not take care of the kid then adort it or put it up for adoption.
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
So debbie no elequant response for the kangaroo question, is it ok to kill a baby kangaroo. Also some men do take care of thier responsibilities, but there are also some women who cannot say with any certainty who the father of their child is, but why should they if they don’t know who the dad is just kill the fetus. Right Debbie? Idiot
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Get real glenn129. Africa is still colonized. And just as most Negroes in America have N**** minds, most Africans on the continent have colonized minds. You know that.
Some people talk about inflation in Zimbabwe. They don’t realize that Europeans control the economy. So when Robert Mugabe decided to reclaim the fertile land and farms from the white settlers, Europeans punished the country by wrecking the economy with inflation.
Come on glenn129, get real man.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
tcoach: but still the heart begins to beat on its own at 10 weeks, and there have been premies born and survive before 21 weeks which is the norm for an acceptable date of abortion.
There aren’t that many abortions performed on women after the first trimester — of the few that ARE performed it is because of the risk to the mother or something detrimental has happened to the fetus. Most states don’t allow abortions past 20 weeks of gestation.
Surgeons who perform intrautero sugeries on fetuses 21 weeks and younger state that “it makes the surgery very risky because if anything goes wrong, the baby cannot survive on its own.” Dr. Bruner of Vanderbilt University, (he does a lot of successful spina bifida surgeries on fetuses that are not yet viable outside the womb).
Despite the claims of some anti-abortion activists, women have access to abortion in the third trimester only in extreme circumstances. Fewer than 2% of abortions are provided at 21 weeks or after. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, and they are generally limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened.
tcoach: To your point though what would you consider grabbing a baby kangaroo out of its mothers pouch and either smashing it on the ground or suck it into a vacum that rips it apart piece by piece. Is that OK because the baby kangaroo would not survive outside of its mothers pouch.
Wow, how can I answer that one?! If I say, justifiably, that kangaroos aren’t people, somebody from PETA will hunt me down and picket my house with “Animal Hater” signs. If I say, justifiably, that kangaroo physiology isn’t even SIMILAR to human physiology, then you could say that I was dodging your question because I won’t answer it. I guess the only thing for me to say is what I’ve said all along, if a fetus, (21 weeks old or younger), can climb out of its mother’s womb and survive on it’s own then it is considered a premature infant.
tcoach: Just tell me how abortion is not a selfish and uncaring way to deal with ones’ own actions
If I was a single mother, with one child and might have another, I’d feel like I was bombarded on every side by extremist views. If I have the baby, I’m a w******* who needs to be sterilized, if I consider an abortion I’m selfish and uncaring. If I ask for help, I’m a welfare mother who just wants to milk the system. IF I insist the father marry me, even if he doesn’t want to, then I “tricked” him into marriage! Dang!! You can’t win!!
No matter what you do as a single parent, (ESPECIALLY if you’re single BLACK female parent), it seems you just can’t win!!!
By kitty
August 12, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
Abortion would be available at the mall if men could get pregnant.
Why in the world is everyone on the right so worried about what other people do with their lives? leave me alone to make my own choices and BUTT OUT.
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
No Hillbilly rager, the normal acceptable time of which an abortion is allowed, that is what is meant by acceptable. That is even the term that the abortion clinic will use. So it is not BS you are just not at a high enough level of intellect to comprehend what is being said. Also with the data you chose to bring up, that eans that 88% of the women are having an abortion after the fetus’ heartbeat has began to beat on its own rythm. Also to address just curious, I do not agree with 40 something couples using fertility drugs that result in multiple sets at birth. There is a ryhm and rythm to things, not saying anything about the presence of a GOD or not only that it is true for evolution, it is an issue of nature. As long as the parents are in a finacial situation or are commited to taking care of how ever many children they have then I do not have as much of a problem. As far as insurance it will ocntinue to grow up, and as grown ups it is our responsibility to maintain a budget that allows us to pay our premiums. It should never be the government that is held responsible for the health of any adult(other than protecting from acts of violence). If the government is responsible they then have the power to say when and what they will pay for, with no options. I thought that way left liberals were scared of BIG BROTHER but lately it just seems like they want them to be thre and take care of them so they canwatch reality t.v. and play video games.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
tcoach: Also some men do take care of thier responsibilities, but there are also some women who cannot say with any certainty who the father of their child is,
That’s why they have DNA tests. Even if she was at a five day orgy that had 25 men there and she was the only woman, if she knows their name and where they live her lawyer CAN find them and make them take the test.
tcoach:but why should they if they don’t know who the dad is just kill the fetus. Right Debbie? Idiot
Oh no you didn’t!!! You called ME an idiot!?! A man who doesn’t even know the DIFFERENCE between a fetus and a premature child until i pointed it out to him?!!??!! What is your supposed mythical degree in? Stock car racing?
By gwarfan
August 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
When did it become so hard to find condoms? Are they hiding someplace people can not reach them? It might explain why HIV is still around also.
By fervor
August 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
Jim, Finally we agreed on something, until you injected your partisan bile and misinformation. “Conservatism is never grumpy to those who understand its magnetic power to transform lives for the better …” What are you, new? Ever heard of Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz or O’Reily? Boortz hails his obstreperousness in advertisement for his show. Bill O’Reilly is the king of “shut up”, hypocrisy and intolerance. Limbaugh is the angriest, drug addled, “the way things ought to be” fat man in the world. Hannity is an ex-Atlanta newscaster, now millionaire who is constantly looking for a fight. Nice guys all. I wouldn’t take them to Ebro.
I really want you to explain to me who the “conservatives” are that have transformed my life for the better. Is it the Republicans who controlled both houses of congress from 1992 until 2006? Is it the current Republican Executive branch in power from 2000? I won’t bother to mention the do-nothing, Republican house, senate and governor of our state - go fish!!!
Gasoline prices were the lowest in the last 30 years in 1998. Look it up. Right now Georgia has more unemployed people than at any time in it’s history as reported by your employer last month. The Federal Government is propping up banks, mortgage companies and the stock market to keep them from failing. We’re mired in an unnecessary, preemptive war sold to the electorate on a pack of lies. The air we breathe now is dirtier than it was in the early 70’s when Nixon and Congress adopted the Clean Air Act. Our students are dumber and fatter than ever and many are left behind by the underfunding of education and faith-based initiatives that didn’t pan out. Need I mention the nation’s debt?
I don’t think this country can take much more of the “magnetic power … for the better” caused by conservatism.
Jim, you know, you’re a really smart man. Good thing you don’t get paid for telling the truth.
By fervor
August 12, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Jim, Finally we agreed on something, until you injected your partisan bile and misinformation. “Conservatism is never grumpy to those who understand its magnetic power to transform lives for the better …” What are you, new? Ever heard of Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz or O’Reily? Boortz hails his obstreperousness in advertisement for his show. Bill O’Reilly is the king of “shut up”, hypocrisy and intolerance. Limbaugh is the angriest, drug addled, “the way things ought to be” fat man in the world. Hannity is an ex-Atlanta newscaster, now millionaire who is constantly looking for a fight. Nice guys all. I wouldn’t take them to Ebro.
I really want you to explain to me who the “conservatives” are that have transformed my life for the better. Is it the Republicans who controlled both houses of congress from 1992 until 2006? Is it the current Republican Executive branch in power from 2000? I won’t bother to mention the do-nothing, Republican house, senate and governor of our state - go fish!!!
Gasoline prices were the lowest in the last 30 years in 1998. Look it up. Right now Georgia has more unemployed people than at any time in it’s history as reported by your employer last month. The Federal Government is propping up banks, mortgage companies and the stock market to keep them from failing. We’re mired in an unnecessary, preemptive war sold to the electorate on a pack of lies. The air we breathe now is dirtier than it was in the early 70’s when Nixon and Congress adopted the Clean Air Act. Our students are dumber and fatter than ever and many are left behind by the underfunding of education and faith-based initiatives that didn’t pan out. Need I mention the nation’s debt?
I don’t think this country can take much more of the “magnetic power … for the better” caused by conservatism.
Jim, you know, you’re a really smart man. Good thing you don’t get paid for telling the truth.
By fervor
August 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Finally we agreed on something, until you injected your partisan bile and misinformation. “Conservatism is never grumpy to those who understand its magnetic power to transform lives for the better …” What are you, new? Ever heard of Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz or O’Reily? Boortz hails his obstreperousness in advertisement for his show. Bill O’Reilly is the king of “shut up”, hypocrisy and intolerance. Limbaugh is the angriest, drug addled, “the way things ought to be” fat man in the world. Hannity is an ex-Atlanta newscaster, now millionaire who is constantly looking for a fight. Nice guys all. I wouldn’t take them to Ebro.
I really want you to explain to me who the “conservatives” are that have transformed my life for the better. Is it the Republicans who controlled both houses of congress from 1992 until 2006? Is it the current Republican Executive branch in power from 2000? I won’t bother to mention the do-nothing, Republican house, senate and governor of our state - go fish!!!
Gasoline prices were the lowest in the last 30 years in 1998. Look it up. Right now Georgia has more unemployed people than at any time in it’s history as reported by your employer last month. The Federal Government is propping up banks, mortgage companies and the stock market to keep them from failing. We’re mired in an unnecessary, preemptive war sold to the electorate on a pack of lies. The air we breathe now is dirtier than it was in the early 70’s when Nixon and Congress adopted the Clean Air Act. Our students are dumber and fatter than ever and many are left behind by the underfunding of education and faith-based initiatives that didn’t pan out. Need I mention the nation’s debt?
I don’t think this country can take much more of the “magnetic power … for the better” caused by conservatism.
Jim, you know, you’re a really smart man. Good thing you don’t get paid for telling the truth.
By Morrigan
August 12, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
tcoach
You don’t care about children. You want to punish the slutty w******* women who willingly have sex. You said it, plain and clear: “This does not include those who were reaped (sic) or anything like that, only those who willingly had sex.”
The right-to-life movement is such a great hideout for the virgins-or-w******* crowd, isn’t it? They can’t explain how a result of rape is not a “child”, but if the slut willingly spread her legs, it’s her punishment, THE SLUT! How dare she have and enjoy sex!
Some love ya got there.
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
Jacksmum,
A leader of the Islamist said regardless of the conduct, Sharia Law shouldn’t be applied in many Arab countries because conditions were not conducive. In other words, you can’t have sharia law to punish people, if people don’t have real equal access, good jobs, and opportunities for people to become complete human beings.
You’ve got to be better than the Islamist. If an African individual is contemptuous and criminal after having equal access, opportunities, and educated under the auspices of the African model of learning, he should be expelled from the group.
But African Americans in this society have absolutely no real opportunity except in the matrix. Their leaders have provided no economy for the masses. Their basic needs are serviced at the whim of other people. Obviously, conditions are not right for African Americans. You would be a hypocrite or a fool to be critical of this person given his condition. That’s one reason why I can’t in good faith criticize irresponsible conduct of individuals Negroes.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this
tcoach: As long as the parents are in a finacial situation or are commited to taking care of how ever many children they have then I do not have as much of a problem
WRONG AGAIN BOY WONDER!! Most multiples are born early because the womb can not sustain them any longer. Some are also born with life altering birth defects that entitles them to Social Security payments and Medicaide. So they can become eligible for SSN AND Medicaide…..where’ the outrage? Married people, CHOOSING to take fertility drugs and having MULTIPLE children, (with some born with birth defects), who can receive MEDICAIDE!! Say it ain’t so!!!
By Matt
August 12, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
Debbiedoright: “Oh no you didn’t!!!”
LOL you sound like some girl on Maury or Springer with 5 babies dadies.
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
I actually ahve 2 different degrees, 1. in Social Science w/ a minor in adolecent psycology and another 2. One in Physical Education, both from different universities, that just happen to be top 150 in the nation, I am also only 6 credits away from my masters not bad for a 20 something. And no there is a differnce which is why I never said premature fetus did I. I said they can survive outside of the womb, and this is when they become an infant/ newborn. But hey, details details. I have personally known of cases where the female was unaware of the names of the men she had slept with, oops another hole in one of your arguments. So yes in my educated professional opinion I would say you are an idiot. You fail to recognize reason and go off of emotion, also you fail to answer questions when they are point blank asked to you. Also did you really say Oh no you didn’t that was cool when I was 14 I think like 1995-96, I will tell Martin Lawerence that you appreciate his work.
By the bucket list
August 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
Hold adults ACCOUNTABLE for something? Why Jim, don’t you know that’s just the un-American way, you hate monger? How dare you even think that. Off to Gitmo with you!
[sarcasm off]
Let’s see here:
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush consulted Tuesday with fellow leaders in Eastern and Western Europe about the crisis in the former Soviet republic of Georgia while aides scrambled to evaluate a Russian promise to stop attacking its neighbor. The White House also rejected a Russian call for Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili to step down. Earlier, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev ordered a halt to its military action in Georgia, saying the campaign had brought security in its South Ossetia region that is close to Moscow.
How long before The Messiah takes credit for that while vacationing in Hawaii, while at the same time Bush is being slammed for having the gall to attend the Olympics and get his photo taken with some dames?
How long? An hour? Before the end of the day? Watch the Obamabots, the moonbat libs, and the media on this one folks..
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Charles: That’s one reason why I can’t in good faith criticize irresponsible conduct of individuals Negroes.
Although your argument is eloquent and full of interesting facts that I’m going to have to look up at a later time; I must disagree with you on that ^^ point. I can and WILL criticize irresponsible conduct be it Negro, Caucasian, Hispanic, Oriental or Seikh. Race should not play a factor in responsibility. By excusing certain behaviors are “pre-destined” you are allowing the individual to escape responsibility for their choices in life.
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Debbie, Godzilla, and Single - You are the gatekeepers. Forget the overpowering influence of testosterone, you’re the ones that get pregnant! And if you and I conceive a child you can elect to keep it or abort it regardless of my wishes. How does that make me an equal partner?
By Lisa Love
August 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
I hate to tell you all this but the main reason we have so many babies born out of wedlock is because the American family broke down when the divorce rate skyrocketed. So if you have been divorced then you are part of the problem. It is not enough just to have a baby born in wedlock, that baby must also be RAISED in wedlock. So if you have children and then get divorced you are part of the cycle of souring our youngsters on the idea of marriage. Which is why three generations after divorce started to be the norm we started seeing many young people not bother ever getting married because they had learned from their parents that it was a losing game. Sorry, but there it is.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
tcoach:I actually ahve 2 different degrees, 1. in Social Science w/ a minor in adolecent psycology and another 2. One in Physical Education, both from different universities, that just happen to be top 150 in the nation
Perhaps you should have mastered Freshman English in High School before you ventured further with your studies. Just a thought.
By Just curious
August 12, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
Hey, do you know any MEN who don’t know the names of some of the women THEY slept with, or whether their seed took refuge as a result? Oops, that wouldn’t be pertinent to your argument that women are selfish and uncaring, so you don’t need to answer.
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
Debbie most of those who take fertillity drugs do not need for me and you to pay for their children and I have said from the beggining that my problem is with people avoiding and dodging their responsibilities, And as you pointed out what I said I did say if they are in a financial situation OR are commited, I have 9th grade students that are more enlightened than you try so hard to make yourself sound
By hillbilly ragger
August 12, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
tcoach, whew… for someone who claims I’m not “at a high enough level of intellect to comprehend what is being said”, you sure did mess up on those numbers I’d presented to you in what I thought were clear enough for a fifth-grader to suss out.
You got a degree in social sciences? really? did they ever cover these things called “statistics?” Howja do with them?
You write: “Also with the data you chose to bring up, that (m)eans that 88% of the women are having an abortion after the fetus’ heartbeat has began to beat on its own rythm.”
erm, no. Here, I’ve found a nice pie chart that makes it real clear for you. It’s from Guttmacher Institute, the same resource cited in the WaPo story I’d linked to above. Look at the second link if you want to see the chart in context.
If you refuse to look at the chart, I’ll spell it out right here:
61.3% of abortions are at nine weeks OR LESS. This below is your all-important “critter’s gotta HEARTBEAT” criteria.
17.8% of abortions are at 9-10 weeks.
9.6% of abortions are at 11-12 weeks.
…and so on, until you get to that big ol’ 21 weeks or greater level, at which point you’re talking about a whopping 1.2 percent of all abortions.
You want to claim that makes, as you were clumsily asserting earlier, 21-week-old pregnancies “acceptable” to most you can, but the facts don’t bear it out. It sure looks to me that the vast majority of women carrying pregnancies would never, ever elect to terminate so late unless some serious health issues were in play.
By V-Dog 85
August 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
I take your meaning, Mr. Wooten. Sometimes the old rules best apply.
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
And that brings me to everybody’s uncle, Bill Cosby. He criticizes black people with a straight face like it’s nobody’s business. The worst Islamist is a better person than he. Clearly, everybody’s uncle has taken money from the New World Order crowd. And he does what he is told to do, or else.
I saw Bill Cosby on the Tonight Show about a week ago telling those stale jokes. He was sitting in a chair shaking his legs. I was afraid some of those date rape drugs, GHB (gammahydroxybutyric acid), Rohypnol (flunitrazepam), Ketamine (ketamine hydrochloride), would fall out of his pocket.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 12, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Blind Homer…
At my age there’s nothing for the gate to keep! All done! 35 years of it….all over! Joy! Joy! Joy!
Now, put a jacket on your rocket…no matter who the female is.
She may be the gate keeper, but you are the barnstormer.
Be a man, dude.
By Lauren
August 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Look we can sit here and argue all day about this and still not face reality. Yes, I think we can pretty much all agree that when a baby is conceived that both the mother and the father should be responsible for the care of that child. And I think we can also agree that it is certainly best to be married when you have a baby and also financially able to take care of a family. I think in perfect world we can all agree that is the best case scenario. Right? But unfortunately that is not how it works a lot of the time. We are a free society and therefore we are free to screw up. And we do. If you are opposed to abortion then I don’t see how you can be opposed to welfare. If you want to force people to keep babies that they cannot afford then what are you going to do, punish the baby for his parents’ mistakes? Deprive that baby of food and education? Really? How Christian of you! Unless you are ready to pass laws saying that it is a crime to have a baby out of wedlock or that if you are poor you should be sterilized (which would result in an America that is no longer free) then are going to have to make the best of this sitaution. Sitting around arguing about morality is getting us nowhere and solves nothing! We have had three Republican presidents in the last 38 years who have beaten us over the head with “family values” and “Christian morality” and it has not changed or improved one single thing on this front. Get real!!
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Lisa Love: So if you have been divorced then you are part of the problem. It is not enough just to have a baby born in wedlock, that baby must also be RAISED in wedlock. So if you have children and then get divorced you are part of the cycle of souring our youngsters on the idea of marriage. Which is why three generations after divorce started to be the norm we started seeing many young people not bother ever getting married because they had learned from their parents that it was a losing game
THAT is an interesting point. Never thought of it like that…..
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
Just curious I have never said women are the only ones I only pointed out that there are cases were the woman is at fault. There are plenty of men who engage in the same type of irresponsible behavior, most likely more men do. However there was at the time I made my post an effort by some trying to say that the fault is situated on the men. Also the point of my argument was that the decision for an abortion is left up only to the women her word is finale, the man may want to keep the child but if the woman does not then that is how it will be. Sorry to offend you if I did, but I do not care if something supports my opinion or not. If I have made an obvious “mistruth” then please tell me but I do not need to hear about these type of things especially if you acuse me of omiting anything on purpose when clearly it was not the case. Quithating men it will make you happier and you may notice you get more attention fromn them too.hahahahaha
By the bucket list
August 12, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
The WaPo’s Kurtz on why the Edwards scandal was hidden from the public for so long:
When critics, especially on the right, accused the media of protecting a Democrat because of liberal bias, journalists were unable to respond, because to do so would be to acknowledge the very thing they were declining to report. At the same time, in an area of financial cutbacks and shrinking staffs, news organizations have fewer reporters to dig into what most considered a less-than-pressing priority.
Yeah okay, so the reason those hell on wheeled investigative reporters were able to dig down so deep into Republican closets is because they had the staff to do so, or that it just wasn’t important.
Does this leftist peckerwood really believe his own words? Who does he think he’s kidding?
This is laughable; almost as much as the boneheaded libs who deny that there is a lib slant in the media.
By CJ
August 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight, logic and reason can’t reach some people. There are mothers who don’t take birth control and then have babies because they think that will make their boyfriends love them more. Is that logical? No! There are mothers who have babies so that they will get more money from the state in welfare (even if it is $25). Is that logical? No! There are fathers (sorry, sperm donors) who father numerous babies and then disappear without offering child support. Is that logical? No!
Bottom line is - people have to be responsible before hooking up and making babies. If you can’t afford to give your baby a good life, they will be a drain on society.
By Chris
August 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this
TALLAHASSEE — Herbert Pompey had gone through rehab, stayed sober, held a job, married and started a landscaping business in the two years since he walked out of Taylor Correctional Institution. But what Pompey hadn’t done — and what he assumed a string of felony drug and DUI convictions would keep him from ever doing again — was vote.
Good thing Dembats know where to go to get votes, eh?
Next, watch the Dembats wish for children to have a right to vote.
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla - I’m just saying Single Mom has nothing to whine about because the system is slanted towards the child first and the mother second. That starts with being able to determine what to do about that unplanned pregnancy and continues through the divorce process. And just fyi, I think I’ve manned up pretty well. Divorced against my will, reduced to every other weekend and two weeks a year with my daughter for which I’ve had the privilege of paying $10K a year the last 10 1/2 years. Now I know someone else besides the welfare moms buying those steaks and lobsters because my ex never spent $10k a year on the girl yet. Above and beyond I bought her a car, pay for medical, dental and car insurance, her cellphone bill and take her shopping a couple times a year because that $10K doesn’t seem to buy too many clothes. The average woman, someone like Single Mom, would have been homicidal or suicidal if they had to endure what I have the last 10+. She’s whining about mere money, try being deprived of being with the only person you truly love and see how you like it!
By Car 77
August 12, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
By “Charles”, The Original August 12, 2008 1:04 PM
“And that brings me to everybody’s uncle, Bill Cosby. He criticizes black people with a straight face like it’s nobody’s business. The worst Islamist is a better person than he.”
I cannot some moonbat wingnut piece of trash said that with a straight face. How disgusting, as if Cosby has strapped on a bomb and killed innocent women and children or something in the name of Allah. Go to hell.
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight,
The overwhelming majority of Negroes can’t feed, clothe shelter, educate, and employ themselves at all. They are totally dependent on the production of other people for their survival. That’s a pitiful state of existence.
I’m not excusing any irresponsible acts, but I take into account their plight.
The Islamist said that they would have to excuse the behavior of some Arabs because of their condition. Sharia Law shouldn’t be applied to them. So, if they steal, they will continue to have two hands.
That’s not excusing the behavior altogether, that’s displaying good righteous judgment
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Hillbilly read your own comment it says 88% are performed before the 12th week enough said to defend myself there. Also I appologize for those of you who cannot find a valid point on which to base your argument but, I know my grammer is poor. See unlike you all I have a respectable job and even better a life, and I do not have time to proof read my great blogs and such. I will try to do a better job with my poor grammer skills, you try not to spend too much time proff reading though. There might actually be aworld out there that you can effect. And to whoever had a problem , believe it was morgan. No you ae not a wh**e for enjoying sex, but you can be responsible. Also I do agree with a woman being presented the opportunity for abortion if she was raped kinda not her fault. I still hate to see a creature killed so someone’s life is easier, but in this case it should be done as soon as possible to avoid as few of nerve endings as possible in the unborn child.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
tcoach: I have 9th grade students that are more enlightened than you try so hard to make yourself sound
OMG don’t tell me they let you TEACH impressionable children!!! No WONDER Georgia is #48 out of 50 in education!!
tcoach: I actually ahve 2 different degrees, 1. in Social Science w/ a minor in adolecent psycology
Also, just a hint, the next time you claim to have a degree in “Adolescent Pscyhology”; maybe you should look up how to spell it first. Just saying…..
SIDEBAR: IF you are a teacher as you state, how is it possible that on a “school day”, you are NOT teaching but typing on a blog? Hmmmm methinks you are a big fat liar!!
By BFKaJ
August 12, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
Dear Jacksmum @ 11:52, while I have to acknowledge that I have never suffered the shame felt by some men my age, it is still a recreational drug. Guys my age should have been out of the baby-making business for 20 years minimum.
Dear fervor @ 12:23, you err in your slanders. Limbaugh and O’Reilly and Boortz are viciously funny – wicked sense of humor. I have listened to Limbaugh off and on since 1990. I watched O’Reilly for the first time last week and he has a great sense of humor and a pretty good show. But that you would so-slander Boortz is the argument that persuades me of your incompetence – suspect you would not know humor if you fell into a vat of it. Not that your condition is unusual among leftists. Just read this blog, and other than PoFo, you’ll see – no humor from the left, just invective.
“I really want you to explain to me who the “conservatives” are that have transformed my life for the better. Is it the Republicans who controlled both houses of congress from 1992 until 2006? Is it the current Republican Executive branch in power from 2000?” Answer: Reagan primarily, as he was the first to practice post-Keynesian economic theory, the ascension of supply-side tax theory, displacing “fiscal theory” (everywhere except among the Federal Reserve Board and those leftist democrats who cling to “tax rebates” as a stimulus.).
You might check your dates on the periods you affirm the Republicans controlled “both houses” – they did not take over until 1995, held through only 2000, then again from 2002-2006. I think we would have to agree that nobody ever balanced the Federal budget (1969 was an anomaly) during the 40 year democrat control of the House, until Mr. Newt took control. When the democrats pushed him out for writing a successful academic treatise, the house republicans began to act like democrats. The republican congress deserves a large measure of the credit – which admittedly must be shared with Bill Clinton – for NAFTA, the only notable beneficial policy initiative of the 1990s. Like low taxes, free trade always benefits all.
I would be hard pressed to grant any credit to democrats for the Bush tax cuts, which revived the collapsing economy President Bush inherited from Clinton-Gore. I think you would have to concede that even if the republicans were wild-spenders from 2002-2006, the democrats have already proven worse, adding such uneconomic ideas as “higher minimum wage” – the primary reason unemployment rose 1% in the last year – and ethanol from corn – the primary reason food prices are pulling inflation up.
“Gasoline prices were the lowest in the last 30 years in 1998.” To Bill Clinton’s credit, he did nothing to reverse the republican decontrol of oil prices and the republican abolition of the windfall profits tax. If only he had signed the republican-passed bill opening up ANWR for drilling we would have that oil online today.
“The Federal Government is propping up banks, mortgage companies” – we would agree that conservatives believe in market solutions, and moonbats believe in corporate welfare. Conservatives would not prop up banks, etc.
“We’re mired in an unnecessary, preemptive war sold to the electorate on a pack of lies” – the first part is a lie anyway. Mired? Wake up and smell the coffee. Al Qaeda is wiped out. As to pre-emptive, as you leftists would say, “duh” – I suppose you would rather wait until they attack here before we counter-attack. “Pack of lies” would describe the constant whining from the left beginning with “40,000 of our soldiers will come home in body bags.”
Speaking of lies, “The air we breathe now is dirtier than it was in the early 70’s” – “Our students are dumber and fatter than ever” - just yours – “and many are left behind by the underfunding of education” – I assume your children attend school in Darfur, as education funding is at all time highs everywhere in the US - “and faith-based initiatives that didn’t pan out.” What a strange argument – that faith-based initiatives were intended to elevate education. I thought the purpose of faith-based initiatives was to elevate morality and social awareness, and seemingly enjoys success everywhere tried.
By Lauren
August 12, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
We cannot force people to take personal responsibilty for having sex and getting pregnant. So long as sex is legal and having babies out of wedlock and while poor is legal then all these arguments are mute. If you are truly opposed to any kind of welfare or any assistance for those who cannot care for their young then there are really only a few true solutions. Either pass laws saying that it is illegal to have babies you cannot afford and throw the offenders in jail and put their babies in orphanages. Or you can require abortion for these situations or you can just let the children go hungry and undeducated and create a whole class of untouchables and criminals and see poverty like we have never seen before. But I am willing to bet that everyone on this blog has had premarital sex and if you never got pregnant while doing so then good for you, but morality should not be about money. If it is okay for you to be immoral just because you can afford to pay for your littlebastards then that is hypocracy. It should be one standard for everyone.
By Mrs. Godzilla
August 12, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Blind Homer
So it turns out you have resentment issues, eh?
I understand. Many years ago I had an ex too. Whatever gender they can be difficult. Time and faith heal those wounds.
Then I ran into Mr. G.
I just think you need to think of yourself as a gatekeeper as well.
If you keep your gate closed the lil’ swimmers can’t go upstream!
By doningeorgia
August 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
VERY SAVY ARTICLE and well said! Although we will never be able to “go back” we need to do the following this year: CLEAN HOUSE and THE SENATE! That’s right, vote every member of the U.S. House out of Congress… All 435 of them! AND every U. S. Senator who is up for re-election. Then and only then will elected officals wake up at every level. Oh, we might not take out all of them but if we can do enough of them the message will be received! Only then will we start to see bad spending bills fail and worse legal plundering laws go out of existance. One can only hope.
By tcoach
August 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Hmm I am an alternative and ISS teacher sorry teach at a good school only had one student today, also, I have nothing to do with the test score. But I do know that GA also ranks in the top 5 of percntage of daily enrolled stuednts to take test. This means we have almost all of our students take standardized test such as the SAT or ACT, meaning that even those students that are not the top in their class do. While in other states the only ones who are told to take these are the ones intending to go to college or another advanced education. Debbie you seriously use the word negroes. WOW. and since you want to criticise my profession why don’t you grace all of us with your wonderful job and profession. Or are you a little more inclined to not have a job????
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Car 77,
There are other ways to strap on bombs and kill innocent women and children. Just look at the state of the black community before integrationist like Bill Cosby betrayed them. There was no self destruction in our communities. In the South, there was nothing but brotherly and sisterly love.
Today, the ideological bombs that the integrationist leadership strapped on and planted in the black community are coming to fruition, killing and murdering men, women, and children; genocide.
If white people are not extremely careful, the New World Order crowd will have those same bombs planted and exploding in your community. The masses of white people are living in critical times.
And this is not about white against black as they would have you believe. This fight has morphed into a few blacks who support genocide against the masses of black people supported by the New World Order Crowd, and a few white people who support genocide against the masses of white people foster by the New World Order.
By GOPs got to go
August 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
Ten to one odds that Ray’s little Buffy is the first one in her class to get Preggo. I am also willing to bet that Ray was trying to get in to the panties of girls in high school too. Unless of course he is one of those “Ted Haggard” Evangelicals
It is always the sanctimonious holier than thou ones who’s kids rebel from Daddy’s hard-line Rhetoric.
I worked with a woman who was not allowed to cut her hair or wear a pair of pants because it was a sin. No TV or radio in the house. Guess what? Her daughter ended up pregnant at 16 and her son was taking and selling drugs. Step out of the 1800’s please. Set an example for your kids, but educate them also.
I have also had a patient who acquired HIV from her first sexual contact in college at 19 yrs old. Oh, and she was an upper middle class white girl Ray.
And is it so difficult to understand that someone on a fixed income that works paycheck to paycheck may not be able to afford BCPs? Stop allowing insurance companies to continue their sexist practice of not covering BCPs.
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
Blind Homer at 1:21: please leave me out of YOUR pathetic whine, if you don’t mind! The only thing I was whining about today is that yet again, Mr. Wooten pens a column pointing the finger at single moms while at the same time completely IGNORING the fact that half of all marriages end in divorce, and that court-ordered child support (at least here in Georgia or when the absent parent leaves the state) is very often not paid or not paid regularly or in full, leaving struggling single parents who did indeed marry with every intention of raising children together in a two-parent home. Enforcement of court-ordered support requires hiring a lawyer - difficult for those who already have trouble making ends meet - and enduring months of pointless bureaucracy, often with no significant result. My point was that marrying before reproducing is no guarantee of resource stability, but you do have a 50% chance of getting screwed by a divorce attorney, as so many will attest (and no one has yet denied here.) My point was that Mr. Wooten regularly pens a “blame the b—-h who uncrossed her legs for all your problems” column, while giving a pass to all the married men and women who ALSO abandon their responsibilities.
But hey, sorry about your troubles, man. Maybe you should see a counselor or something.
By "Charles", The Original
August 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Time has caught up with me again. I’ve got to leave for lunch everybody. As usual, I enjoyed talking with everyone, and hope to see you tomorrow; God willing.
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla - I’m an honor graduate of anger management and I’m only resentful of people whining when they get custody and money. Other than that I’ve accepted my fate a long time ago and I try to be a good dad and make the best of it. Single Mom and I may not entirely deserve what we got but we are a lot more responsible than she seems to admit. Based on the tone of her emails I wouldn’t want to be married to her. And beyond that, we’re the ones that married those ex’s, for better or for worse!
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
CJ:Bottom line is - people have to be responsible before hooking up and making babies. If you can’t afford to give your baby a good life, they will be a drain on society.
Totally agree with you. Everyone should be held accountable for their personal choices in life. However, my point is when is society going to stop laying all the blame on the Female and start redirecting some of that blame on the Male? Some of the comments on today’s blog sound just like a page out of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s “Scarlet Letter”. Have we not progressed enough in society to see the problem and try to help eliminate the problem and not force blame? I feel a great deal of the problem was in taking Sex Education out of the schools. Sure my mom talked to me about sex, however her advice was “If you get pregnant in my house, I’ll put you out”. It wasn’t until I got sex education in school via informed and organized instruction, that I understood some things that I was going through. I couldn’t go and talk to my mother about the feelings that I was having for some boy at 16, she would’ve KILLED ME. But I could go and talk to my teacher and have her explain WHY I had those feelings and the biology behind it. I feel taking Sex Education out of the Schools was a big and drastic mistake.
Charles:The overwhelming majority of Negroes can’t feed, clothe shelter, educate, and employ themselves at all. They are totally dependent on the production of other people for their survival. That’s a pitiful state of existence.
Can you prove that statement with some statistical data? I am one of those statistical nuts who just love all sorts of data. So, if you don’t mind, please “show me the money” on that little known black history factoid you just dropped^^. Thanks!
By V-Dog 85
August 12, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this
Please bear in mind that we’re largely talking about a lot of 13- and 14-year-old girls getting pregnant by boys scarcely older — a pattern that often repeats generationaally. Any ideas? Same-sex middle schools? Strepped-up abstinence AND birth control “education” for the middle grades? Eliminating any governmental icentive to chilhood pregnancy the does not endanger the child? How about a kind of student loan program — let’s call it a Pregnancy Loan program, by which mother and father are equally obliged to repay prenatal and postnatal government costs over a period of years, or even decades?
By J
August 12, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
My mom was a divorced single mom and we were NEVER on welfare, thank you. Not all people can fit into your little stereotypes. One of my friends best friend came from a rich white family and the girl has had 3 abortions (if not more by now….) She didn’t practice safe sex because mommy and daddy could just pay to get another abortion. It goes both ways people.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
tcoach:Debbie you seriously use the word negroes. WOW
What’s wrong with that? I also used the word “Caucasian”; any problems with that?
tcoach:and since you want to criticise my profession why don’t you grace all of us with your wonderful job and profession. Or are you a little more inclined to not have a job????
Poor tcoach!! I wasn’t criticizing your profession, I was criticizing YOU. I’m sorry you couldn’t catch the difference!
I have a degree in Social Work and a minor in Economics; worked for DFACS for a couple of years. Couldn’t take it; so I took a class at night and became a Para-Legal. Did that for a while and now I’m back in school trying to become a lawyer. Courtesy of the Law Firm I’m currently working for. Anymore questions?
By Single Mom
August 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Again, Blind Homer, you have no idea what I “got” and and I don’t appreciate you supposing what I might “deserve.” I have taken responsibility for my offspring, and haven’t screwed anyone over (wah wah wah) in the process — taxpayer, seed donor, or otherwise. You know nothing about me, so quit pretending that you do. Doesn’t your employer have an EAP that can refer you for some help? You do like to get inappropriately personal, don’t you?
By the way, just got off the phone with a friend who’s ex remains in contempt for failure to pay child support, and the lawyer wants more money for doing absolutely nothing about it. I await Mr. Wooten’s column about evil lawyers, but that only happens when one of them runs for office as a Democrat. (The ones he sees in the shower at his country club get a pass, of course.)
By hotlanta
August 12, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
The next baby I have I am not going to go on welfare. I am gonna be like Anna Nicole. I am gonna have my kid and have rich men bid on who the baby daddy is. I am still amazed how Britney lil sister got a spread in People magazine and there was no outcry saying little white girls have babies expecially after all of those little white middle class girls in Glochester.
By DebbieDoRight
August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Charles:There are other ways to strap on bombs and kill innocent women and children. Just look at the state of the black community before integrationist like Bill Cosby betrayed them.
OMG Why didn’t someone tell me I was “talking” to crazy Charles?!? You could’ve warned me!! I haven’t been on this blog in MONTHS — I didn’t know his new blog name!!
By Just look around
August 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
With all of the PC and a possible administration change the problem will only get worse. Seems the small percentage of true tax payers will eventually not be able to fund all the government welfare/entitlement programs for the irresponsible non-accountable segment of society…
If you want to substantiate the government “assistance” program abuse take a stroll thru Kroger on Memorial where you’ll see folks buying name brand and more expensive foods with their WIC and food stamps, leave the parking lot in a high-end vehicle while talking on their cell phone, and heading to gov’t funded housing (single family housing) where they will sit down to their plasma and squeeze out a few more kids to any of a number of sperm donors…
By T
August 12, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
V-Dog 85
I have an idea. It might be a little wacky. What about making the fathers and or mothers join the Army. I hear they could use a few new employees. Then they can learn a skill, feed their new families, and provide health care. Kind of like welfare that makes them work. It’s crazy, but hey, who knows?
By EW
August 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
Debbie, You’re a sick puppy. God have mercy on you. I would go into all the ways you have been wrong on this blog but a) not enough time and b) you are too warped to carry on a discussion with.
GOP got to go, My wife’s BC pills are covered by insurance. I just looked it up to see if the “blue pill” was covered and nope, not medically necessary. So pretty much you need to research a little and don’t make insane blanket statements.
Ray, To call the woman the “gate keeper” might be one of the worst things I have ever heard. It is the MAN’s responsibility to be a man and do what is right and guard women’s hearts. Believe it or not men are perfectly capable of saying NO and keeping it in their pants. All too often men use this “driven by sex” mentality to justify blaming the woman. That’s sick…control your own damn self.
By Tommy
August 12, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
In 1986 I met a woman at the Fox Den bar in the Northridge Kroger shopping center. She went home with me and we had drunken unprotected sex. We parted as strangers the next morning. If you had a kid, Ms. Whomever, based on that encounter, let me know, okay?
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Single - Duh? Sorry you were and remain too stupid to manage your relationship with attorneys. Have you tried a woman attorney, maybe she’d be more sympathetic to your self-righteous anger? But at least you’re a great argument for abortion, too bad your mom didn’t just spit you out!
By Please pay attention to me!
August 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Boo Hoo. I think I’ve manned up pretty well. Divorced against my will, boo hoo, reduced to every other weekend and two weeks a year with my daughter for which I’ve had the privilege of paying $10K a year the last 10 1/2 years. Boo hoo. Now I know someone else besides the welfare moms buying those steaks and lobsters because my ex never spent $10k a year on the girl yet. Above and beyond I bought her a car, pay for medical, dental and car insurance, her cellphone bill and take her shopping a couple times a year because that $10K doesn’t seem to buy too many clothes. Boo hoo. The average woman, someone like Single Mom, would have been homicidal or suicidal if they had to endure what I have the last 10+. Boo hoo. She’s whining about mere money, try being deprived of being with the only person you truly love and see how you like it! sniff!
By time for the fair and menacing truth
August 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
welcome back should have been aborted leftist vermin crackpipe debbieturd.
By Blind Homer
August 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Did I write ‘spit out’? Sorry for the typo, I meant to say I’m sorry she didn’t swallow you like she did so many of your could of been brothers and sisters.
By Redneck Convert
August 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Well, I sure am glad to see TFTT back. They must of let him out of his treatment for awhile. Now we got a full crazy house. Like we needed rejects from England to do that.
By Lauren
August 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Most people is this country (70%) want to keep abortion legal. The Republican party has been telling you rubes for years that they want to strike down Roe v.Wade. Guess what? They don’t really want to do it! They just tell you that because it is a good wedge issue to get you to the polls and vote for them. You are all suckers. The court is stacked with conservatives, we have had 20 of the last 28 years of Republican presidets and a GOP majority in the House for something like 10 of the last 15 years. Don’t you think if they really wanted to get rid of RvW they would have done it by now? You guys are such suckers! They string you along and you fall for it everytime. LOL!
By Steve-O
August 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Republicans aren’t really against welfare. They are only against welfare for certain people (wink, wink). They are perfectly fine with giving tons of subsidies to farmers. Well, that is nothing but welfare for farmers. Plain and simple. I am also sick and tired of the GOP romance with the fetus. It is really getting on my nerves. Oh, no stem cell research, no abortions, to morning after pill, blah, blah, blah. But as soon as a baby is born and needs your help they fall right off your love list. STFU about fetuses! If you truly believe life begins at conception then why don’t churches hold funerals for early miscarriages? Huh? Please answer that question. Somebody. If you believe the soul in interjected into the “body” at conception then where is your funerals and gravestones for all those early miscarriages that are so common? Come on, upwards of 30% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage and most of those are before 13 weeks so if that was indeed a life and it died then shouldn’t we name it, put it in a casket, have funeral, pay for a gravesite and bury it? Follow the logic people. If you follow the pro-life line then that is the only thing to do for a miscarriage. Why don’t you do it?
By Common Sense
August 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Will someone please give Charles a dose of reality!
What is the problem Charles. No one can convince anyone to do anything you have free will to live how you want to!
Now if you live in country that has laws you cannot break those laws!
Regarding this subject as you can see we all have a responsibility to educate everyone and not think the bible,the preacher or forceful telling someone not to have sex will work.
We have to educate our children in order to help them make better choices.
By Jacksmum
August 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Yikes, you people get MEAN in the afternoon. Go eat a cookie!
Debbie - girl, don’t listen to the meanies, you are smart and right on the mark.
Also for those of you tossing the “crazy” word around so liberally…what else are we supposed to do in the afternoon at the loony bin??? Right Charles?
By U.S. Corporation
August 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this
Jim are you out of your mind? As long as as a child has a social security number that child is a ward of the goernment and the property of the U.S. Corporation.
At any time before 18 if that subject is threatened we will intervene to protet our property at anytime.
The U.S. corporation takes all its subjects and property seriously ok. This is the only way for bankrupt corporation to receive funds from its creditors.
We will protect our property from birth until the age of 18 under any means necessary.
If the child doesn’t have a social security number then they are on their own and are not wards of the state. We do not recognize natural persons.
Sincerely,
GW Bush President Bankrupt U.S. Corporation
By Poste Haste
August 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Woman’s finals tonite. (I think)
By FOFLOL
August 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
“It is the MAN’s responsibility to be a man and do what is right and guard women’s hearts.” lol Wrong century dude!
By AmVet
August 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
The long summer of climate change continues to beat down upon this dispirited GOP.
And now even the less lucid hear the neo-con funeral dirge.
Of the 12 Republicans running in competitive Senate races — five of whom are incumbents — only three have said they will be attending the convention. Six are definite no-shows, and three are on the fence.
“Nobody likes a funeral,” said a Senate Republican press secretary who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing “the overall climate of general malaise about the party” as the reason for hesitance on the part of Republicans.
Lauren, your 3:50 is one of the best things I’ve seen written here in days and sure to draw NO response from the cons (and conned)…
By Common Sense
August 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this
Men need to man-up!
If you are man who is willing to chase it! You should be man enough to take care of the results!
A lot of men are bringing brought up as children and with no-one teaching them responsibility.
By glenn129
August 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
By “Charles”, The Original
August 12, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Get real glenn129. Africa is still colonized. And just as most Negroes in America have N** minds, most Africans on the continent have colonized minds. You know that.
Some people talk about inflation in Zimbabwe. They don’t realize that Europeans control the economy. So when Robert Mugabe decided to reclaim the fertile land and farms from the white settlers, Europeans punished the country by wrecking the economy with inflation.
Come on glenn129, get real man.
Charles if the people in the African countries killing each other, starving, and dying of AIDS have a European Model education, then why don’t they act as we do? I agree with you, they act as they do because of their African Model, and again I don’t want that over here. Here are a list of the results of some more Africian Models of education: Thousands of Tutsis Killed in Rwanda 500,000 killed un Uganda under Idi Amin Mass killings and rapes in Zaire Routine killings of civilians in Somalia 4000 suspects arrested in Kenya for mass killings Mass killings in Sudan, Darfur will exceed 100,000 I believe you have already mentioned Zimbabwe.
By TW
August 12, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this
And with today’s post, Mr. Wooten ends all argument as to whether the Obama camp has him on retainer.
Perhaps something blonde haired and blue eyed tomorrow, Jim? Or maybe ‘research’ on how segregation is really the way to go?
You, Mr. Wooten, and the rest of the rushannitites have done more to kill conservatism than the best efforts of any liberal left campaign.
Please, continue to paint yourself as a wacko - but ceasing to refer to yourself as a ‘conservative’ would be very much appreciated by those of us who really are.
By @@
August 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Jim, I take that to mean that it’ll be the children suing the parents? Excellent but risky. In today’s society, where children hold such little value, and are obviously, in the instance, of non-providing parents, too burdensome; it wouldn’t surprise me one iota that the threat might mysteriously go missing.
But fear not! Listed within the 2008 Democratic Platform, to be presented at convention, there will be a tax break for fathers “who are responsibly supporting their children.”
The “Nanny State” AND the “Daddy State.”
Gawd save our children from irresponsible children who refuse to come of age.
By anthony
August 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
make up your mind you want to make it illegal to have an abortion, just want to teach no in school and make woman jump thru hoops to get birth control. Then you have the nerve to complain about taking care of all the babies. Make up your mind.
By anthony
August 12, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
make up your mind you want to make it illegal to have an abortion, just want to teach no in school and make woman jump thru hoops to get birth control. Then you have the nerve to complain about taking care of all the babies. Make up your mind.
By Sherl
August 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
Children do not get to choose their parents if they did I am sure that they would not choose any of the people you are talking about. I am sure they would prefer to be born with Bush or Hilton as their last name.
By GOPs got to go
August 13, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
Well Bully for you and your wife EW. If YOU did any research you would find the the majority of plans DO NOT cover BCPs.
By Corey
August 13, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this
The only difference between the immoral poor and others who are immoral is affordability. A rich criminal can afford window dressing, while a poor criminal… you get my drift. A poor crackhead or petty drug dealer gets his door kicked in by the police. In suburbia they don’t kick the doors down of said drug dealers and users. Why is that? Can you say, double standard? We have been on to your hypocrisy since 1619. Have a nice day.
By lovelyliz
August 13, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
Isn’t it ironic that neo-cons want to hold adults responsible for every possible conception, well at least those who can’t afford to fly to a first class European vacation (a.k.a. private clinic, but when one of their cronies or big business contributors screws up, and in some cases people die, they accept no responsibility whatsoever?
By lovelyliz
August 13, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Here’s a good one:
How about holding adults responsible for the people they marry? Ban divorce and force everyone to go back to spouse #1. John McCain would have to say good-bye to Cindy; Dennis Kucinich would have to give up his wife too.
Or is it a matter of the sins you are caught committing are as bad as the ones nobody knows about?
Maybe it’s just too Catholic.
By lovelyliz
August 13, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this
Here’s a good one:
How about holding adults responsible for the people they marry? Ban divorce and force everyone to go back to spouse #1. John McCain would have to say good-bye to Cindy; Dennis Kucinich would have to give up his wife too.
Or is it a matter of the sins you are caught committing aren’t as bad as the ones nobody knows about?
Maybe it’s just too Catholic.
By Carl G. Oehling
August 13, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
The title of the article, Hold adults accountable for the life they concieve”, is scientifically wrong. You cannot conceive a life or start one. Just cup your hand in front of yourself and try to do so. However you can connect two haploid cells in a womb and conceive a new human being. Words have meanings!! If wordsmiths like yourself wrote correctly, the supreme court could not have ignored the murders of the babies during the abortion of the mothers.
By lovelyliz
August 13, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
I wonder when Jim is going to call for banning fertility treatments or require that all the embryos be implanted in the mother?
By Frederick Douglass
August 13, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this
Aren’t we leaving the Smoke and Mirrors aspect out of all of this? What about when Little Princess with the blond locks gets pregnant, and she’s shipped off to boarding school, and comes back sans baby, or baby becomes her little sibling. How often is Brooke and Hunter forced into a temporary fake marriage of appearance, to preserve their families good names? What about the rampant hidden abuse that many of these kids endure in those picture perfect homes, the alcohol abuse that they witness, the bigotry they’re fed on a daily basis? When will the studies come out on these things, and how much tax money is spent addressing the problems?
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