Thinking Right

By FRANKLEEDARLING

August 6, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Lets turn Georgia blue ,I am doing my part

everybody all together now THROW OUT THE WORTHLESS REPUGS

By TW

August 6, 2008 7:49 AM | Link to this

GOP ‘08 PROUD TO BE IGNORANT

Washington - Senator McCain spent the greater part of Tuesday evening picking his tire gauge out of his rear.*

By hillbilly ragger

August 6, 2008 7:50 AM | Link to this

Jim, Martin won for one reason. He didn’t claim, as Jones did, to have voted for George Bush twice.

Oh, and he didn’t actually contribute to the friggin’ GOPee, either.

Stuff like that takes time to get out. It got out. Sanity prevailed.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 6, 2008 7:51 AM | Link to this

When I voted yesterday at 5:20 pm, I was the 165th to vote at my polling place. My precinct has over 3000 voters.

Kinda’ sad don’t ya’ think?

By BR26

August 6, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

So, for the “change” candidate it’s politics as usual huh? Duh, imagine that one.

By BFKaJ

August 6, 2008 7:57 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I had not read the election results but Jim raises good questions here. Vernon Jones should have done well among African-Americans, much better than suggested in Jim’s essay. Nevertheless it is difficult for me to imagine the democrat machinery is so effective that the voters marched lock-step to a beat established by the national campaign. I have no rational explanation unless it was the Martin telephone banks calling predominantly black areas to tell them that the black primary was Wednesday.

One possibility is that the hard-leftists – Martin’s base – was simply more motivated that Jones’s base – conservative democrats and black democrats. Another is that Jones has some notoriety for matters ancillary to his official duties, and perhaps ethics was a motivator. Perhaps some party activists think Martin’s military service will allow them to fool Georgians into thinking the guy has some solid conservative traits, a necessity for election anywhere in the South outside the ghetto.

Can Martin beat Chambliss? Only if he can persuade Georgians that democrats spend less than republicans, something akin to proving water is purple and trees emit dangerous levels of cyanide gas. Martin is as leftist as Obama, and regrettably Chambliss is as moderate as McCain. A depressing challenge for conservatives, but one for which there is a correct response.

By Taxpayer

August 6, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

Well, Chambliss may have the money he needs to overwhelm any competition but he does not have my respect. That grilling he gave that guy at the sugar plant was just icing on the cake for me. This time around, I’ve got a candidate to vote for and it’s not Chambliss.

By GMAN

August 6, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

The GOP - Taking pride in being ignorant!

By Charles

August 6, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

Vernon Jones certainly showed dignity and grace in defeat. It’s refreshing to see someone not use the ‘race card’ when your positions on the issues are not supported (unlike Barrack Obama and his supporters).

By hotlanta

August 6, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Military service. Just like the guy said if that is the case everybody that comes home from the Iraq office can run for office if that is all it takes. I didn’t hear you say anything about him wearing your famous FLAG PIN.

By hotlanta

August 6, 2008 8:08 AM | Link to this

Military service. Just like the guy said if that is the case everybody that comes home from the Iraq office can run for office if that is all it takes. I didn’t hear you say anything about him wearing your famous FLAG PIN.

By BFKaJ

August 6, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Why are our leftists not posting any analysis? I would wish to see our leftist friends analyzing their election yesterday.

By Yeah right

August 6, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

Vernon lost in Dekalb because of the arrogance of the fake Obama flyer and his Bush votes. That to me was pretty significant. His quote: “Democrats keep electing losers”. Not this time Vern. You’re out, and take Victor Hill with you.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

August 6, 2008 8:13 AM | Link to this

Really hard to outspend a republican these days. seems they really like a large government as long as they are in control

GOP=GUARD OUR PORK

By Shar

August 6, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Well, BFKaJ, I’m not a leftist but I would posit that Democrats got a bit more practical yesterday. Hill and Freeman given the air, with only the corrupt Clerk of the Court in Fulton still infesting the office. As to Mr. Wooten’s apparent belief that some foul-intentioned outside force crawled into Georgia like a malignant ground fog and forced an unwilling populace to elect Jim Martin rather than Vernon Jones, I would simply point out that the better, more electable candidate won. There were only two people on the ballot, and only the more motivated electors showed up to choose the nominee they thought would have the best chance of defeating the flaccid paper cut out of a Senator we are currently afflicted with. The same thing happened in the Fulton Sheriff’s race, where Freeman led after the primary but lost by a wide margin when facing only one challenger. If Mr. Wooten can accept that voters chose the candidate they preferred in that race, I don’t see why he cannot do so in the race for the Senate nomination.

By hillbilly ragger

August 6, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

BFK @ 8.09,

1) you got all the analysis you need already from me @ 7.50, although Yeah Right @ 8.10 mirrors my views;

and

2) I ain’t your “friend.”

By Bud Wiser

August 6, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

All this means is that the white blue-collar Democrats came out and voted for Martin versus Jones.

Those same voters will be voting McCain in the Fall election, for the same reason.

You know, minorities are called that for a reason, and that reason is that they are not a majority. A coalition of minorities such as the Democrats have wooed (or enslaved) can create a majority.

BUT, when one or more of those minorities defects to the other side for any particular reason, that majority once more becomes a minority. Add the fact that individual minority groups each have their own personal agenda that may not agree with other groups in their coalition, it may cause a fracture to further break up the group as a whole. Chaos erupts. Groups vie for supremacy in the coalition, others feel left out of the group collective, and defect. Further chaos. Everybody wants their piece of the pie.

Obama cannot connect, and frankly does not care if he connects, with the white blue-collar Democrats. His appeal is targeted at the blacks, and the media. His elitism and sense of self destiny is apparent to everyone. They will be turned off by this arrogant show pony of the Democrats and vote McCain.

Democrats’ perpetuation of their own self destruction when it comes to the White House is legendary. Their show ponies 2000 and 2004 could not even defeat George W. Bush, perhaps the most disrespected and reviled President in history. What does that say about their ability to choose a viable candidate, much less one that has a decent chance of winning?

Obama may be the ‘one he is waiting for’, but he most certainly is not the one America is waiting for.

By AmVet

August 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Wow.

Can this dispirited flagging “conservative” mentality get any more ridiculous? (DON”T answer that! Of course they can. It’s a rhetorical question.)

I’ll not even try to disabuse Mr. Wooten and the “faithful” of the silliness he proposes regarding a giant left-wing conspiracy by Obama to doom Jones.

Martin will not be able to overcome the GOP’s cracker factor this fall, but even in this backwater state, the tide is turning.

Most Americans realize THIS non-conservative GOP is simply too inept, amazingly short sighted and deadly to trust anymore.

As evidenced by how those who blathered on favorably for years about their “conservative” leaders in the White House and elsewhere took forever to admit the obvious, and that which any lucid person could see from the beginning.

The empire coveting never-served, never-will chickenhawks, the scandal ridden, pedophile infested family values crowd, the frauds and charlatans of the Religious Reich and Immoral Minority and the spend thrift corporate wh0res were NEVER conservatives.

Chambliss a moderate???

Must be the Republicans new code word for neo-con…

By Ga Values

August 6, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

I recently spoke with a Republican Hill staffer whom I had not seen since the Democrats took control of Congress. After joking with him about the shift from the strategic offensive to playing defense, I asked if Republican members were ready to refurbish their brand by opposing earmarks, controlling spending and even confronting the largest Death Star of all, federal entitlements - Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.

I was treated to a discussion of the waste in our health system and government programs which support it. I was inundated with a drizzle of detail of how this or that program lost money due to mismanagement or venality.

My friend did not mention earmarks, spending or entitlements. Given his job, I have to believe he was avoiding a sensitive subject, having nothing to offer by way of encouragement.

David M. Walker, until recently Comptroller General of the United States and head of the Government Accountability Office (GAO), is a modern-day Cassandra who sees clearly the fiscal crisis in our not-so-distant future. Mr. Walker argues that the country is facing “an explosion of debt” due to the baby boomers’ retirement, spiraling health care costs, plummeting savings rates and increased reliance on foreign lenders, which present “unprecedented fiscal risks.” He describes GAO’s long-range simulations or projections as “chilling.” In 1966, mandatory programs, mostly entitlements, amounted to 26 percent of total federal spending. In 2006, it was 53 percent. Add in net interest on the debt, and the numbers are 33 and 62 percent, respectively.

Discretionary spending, what most citizens would term “government” - defense, national parks, the weather service - has fallen from 67 to 38 percent of federal spending.

Most frightening, what GAO calls “implicit exposures” for future Social Security and Medicare benefits jumped by 158 percent since 2000, mushrooming from $13.0 trillion to $40.8 trillion. This fiscal burden amounts to $455,000 per household. This has happened while Republicans controlled the White House and Congress (until 2006).

A trillion here, a trillion there … balancing the budget in 2040 could require cutting total federal spending by 60 percent or raising federal taxes to twice today’s level.

Faster economic growth can help, but it cannot solve the problem alone: “Closing the current long-term fiscal gap based on reasonable assumptions would require real, average annual economic growth in the double digit range every year for the next 75 years,” says the GAO. “During the 1990s, the economy grew at an average of 3.2 percent per year.”

Fraud, waste and abuse? That would be an easy problem to solve. This crisis is a fundamental, structural and systemic failure of federal fiscal policy resulting from a dysfunctional political culture for which Republicans must take responsibility. The administration’s drug benefit was the largest expansion of a federal entitlement in recent history, and its non-defense discretionary spending has surpassed levels attained by Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society.

Fiscal responsibility and entitlement reform should be viewed as complementary, rather than antithetical, to supply-side tax cuts and pro-growth policies. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a dedicated supply-sider, is one Republican congressman who understands this. His proposed legislation, “A Roadmap For America’s Future,” combines entitlement reform with tax relief designed to lift “the massive projected debt burden from the shoulder of future generations.” Absent fiscal restraint and structural reform of entitlements, Americans are alarmed at ballooning deficits which transfer the burden to the next generation. They may come to embrace higher taxes with a view towards reducing the deficit which, in and of itself, is important only as a percentage of gross domestic product. Ignoring the entitlement crisis puts at peril the GOP’s low-tax, growth strategy for the nation’s economy.

Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will certainly not address the entitlement crisis, the federal deficit or economic growth. Any additional tax revenues will probably be consumed by new health insurance programs, supported by Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes president. And that is just one new program proposed by Democrats and supported by many Republicans of late.

Rather than succumbing to the siren song of big government, staunchly defending earmarks or their votes for drug benefits, the farm bill and now the housing legislation, Republican members of Congress need to reclaim their heritage of fiscal responsibility and recall their true reason for being.

G. Tracy Mehan III, who served at the EPA in both Bush administrations, is an adjunct professor at George Mason University School of Law.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

August 6, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

Wow,fun watching the repugs spin and twist today. get used to it there is more coming

By Copyleft

August 6, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Wooten, and BFK, are dumbfounded that black voters didn’t automatically vote for Jones. In their fevered imaginations, black voters ALWAYS have to support black candidates, because it’s all their simple nigra minds can process.

The problem, of course, is that the simple minds are on the other side of that analysis.

Jones was corrupt, and the voters knew it. Unlike conserva-drones, Democratic voters have little patience with blatant corruption, and we threw him out.

By Ga Values

August 6, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this

I have changed my vote from Barr to McCain.. this speach can’t be good news for Saxby SPECIAL INTEREST Chambliss..

McCain opposes farm policies popular in Midwest

MIKE GLOVER Associated Press Writer DES MOINES, Iowa — Republican presidential candidate John McCain opposes the $300 billion farm bill and subsidies for ethanol, positions that both supporters and opponents say might cost him votes he needs in the upper Midwest this November.

His Democratic rival, Barack Obama, is making a more traditional regional pitch: He favors the farm bill approved by Congress this year and subsidies for the Midwest-based ethanol industry. McCain instead has promised to open new markets abroad for farmers to export their commodities.

In his position papers, McCain opposes farm subsidies only for those with incomes of more than $250,000 and a net worth above $2 million. But he’s gone further on the stump.

“I don’t support agricultural subsidies no matter where they are,” McCain said at a recent appearance in Wisconsin. “The farm bill, $300 billion, is something America simply can’t afford.”

McCain later described the measure, which is very popular throughout the Midwest, as “a $300 billion, bloated, pork-barrel-laden bill” because of subsidies for industries like ethanol.

It’s not a stand that pleases Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa.

“I would not advise him to take that position,” Grassley said. “For sure, he can’t lose Missouri and that’s in the upper Midwest. Could he lose Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin and still be elected president? Yes, but I wouldn’t advise him to have that strategy.”

Grassley, a conservative Republican, and his Senate colleague from Iowa, liberal Democrat Tom Harkin, have achieved enduring success in this state largely by mastering the politics of farm issues. Harkin chairs the Senate Agriculture Committee, which wrote the new farm legislation.

“I don’t see any scenario in which McCain can get to the White House without carrying some upper Midwestern states,” said Harkin, an Obama backer. “I’ve never really understood in all my years why Sen. McCain has gone out of his way to speak against and vote against policies that are important to the upper Midwest.”

There’s a history of close elections in the region. President Bush carried Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota and South Dakota in 2004, earning 35 electoral votes. But his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, prevailed in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois, giving him 41 electoral votes.

Veteran GOP strategist Gentry Collins said McCain can defend his record on farm issues, including opposing “corporate welfare” for big operations, but he said there’s more at work.

“The upper Midwest is crucial in this election, and Midwestern voters value authenticity. They value experience,” Collins said. “I don’t think agricultural issues are the only issues Midwestern voters care about. There are some bigger-picture issues, broader issues where he’s strong.”

But on another important issue to Midwesterners, McCain opposed a tax break for developing wind power. Obama supported the tax break.

“We’re employing close to 2,000 people right now in Iowa in the wind energy industry,” Harkin said.

McCain has been most outspoken on ethanol subsidies, and that has Republicans worried in Iowa, the nation’s biggest producer of the fuel. Other top ethanol producers include Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin and Missouri.

“It does challenge him in states like Iowa, the No. 1 ethanol state,” said Bill Northey, Iowa’s Republican agriculture secretary. “It does make it tougher to make the case.”

Drake University political science professor Dennis Goldford said McCain’s problem on farm issues reflects a deeper issue he faces as he’s courted conservative GOP activists, many of whom are deeply suspicious of him.

“He’s essentially reverting to standard Republican supply-side economics,” said Goldford. “That’s where he’s got a problem. He’s got to find his own voice and so far he hasn’t had a voice.”

Iowa Gov. Chet Culver, a Democrat who has campaigned for Obama, said he’s puzzled by McCain’s position. He points to other Republicans who have a different view.

“President Bush and I just had a good conversation about how critically important ethanol is, and how Iowa is positioned so well to lead the nation,” said Culver. “I have no idea why John McCain doesn’t support it. It hurts him in Indiana, and Missouri and Ohio, and it’s not the message right now that any of us want to hear.”

Obama has a modest lead in national polls, but electoral votes will decide the election. Obama is poised to do well on both coasts, while McCain is favored in the South and some parts of the West. That leaves the upper Midwest as a swing battleground.

“The Midwest is crucial in this campaign,” said Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, a Democrat and an early backer of Obama. “Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and perhaps Indiana are very important states. McCain is behind, and he’s in danger of falling further behind.”

By Aquagirl

August 6, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

The cut-n-pasters are up early today.

Jim, you made a wrong prediction, there’s no need to make up some wild tale of Obama Ninjas infiltrating the election.

By Ga Values

August 6, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

BFKaJ —there is no way Saxby is a Moderate except if which ever interest group’s water he is carring is moderate. I am a Conservative Republican & will be voting for against Saxby.

Chambliss certainly knows how to take care of himself,, He has collected $1,368,000.00 from the Ag industry, that with Pelosi / Reid,& he over rode President Bush’s Veto of the waste filled Farm Bill. He has raised $1,248,000.00 from the bankers that he worked with Pelosi/Reid to bail out at the expense of the TAXPAYER. Saxby takes care of Saxby but not the Georgia taxpayer. SOURCE: http://opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00002685

By Maniac is accurate

August 6, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

You mean to tell me you are speculating that Obama’s people got the word out. That’s a sad indictment in the state of journalism in Georgia if Obama’s campaign mounts an effort to sink Vernon Jones and the AJC doesn’t know it. That would be nearly impossible to keep secret. I weep for the Fourth Estate.

By Grading Wooten

August 6, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Again, none of Wooten’s thug-trolls understood the piece.

Using parallel constructs, irony and masterfully tiptoeing around the racism minefield, Wooten wrote about Obama/McCain, not Jones/Martin.

Although he did indeed write about Jones/Martin too. The second to last paragraph is a crescendo of innuendo.

This piece is a minor masterpiece, and the fruition of a sea-change Wooten has undergone ever since I came on board two years ago.

Bravo Jim. Too bad you’re wasted on everyone but me, but you know, only trolls blog, that’s a fact, man. You know it’s so. Blogs are infected by chatroom rejects, myspace renegades, and uboob roustabouts. (except me, of course, but I dont really blog so much as I inflict)

word.

By ron

August 6, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Good morning,I think I’ll cease predicting elections.A good analysis is always fun to read though.Some of you know as much about analyzing as I do about predicting.

Cynthia apparently thinks politics is racist.She should know.

McCain has ired Paris Hilton.And Obama.With the same ad.Good job.The truth sometimes hurts.

Obama wants to drill and tap the reserve.I think he’ll flip to being a moderate Republican by November.Can anyone say Kerry?

By hillbilly ragger

August 6, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this

But Aquagirl, if Jim doesn’t “make up some wild tale of Obama Ninjas infiltrating” the local run-off, how else can he justify polluting the website with 200 new anti-Obama rants from the same half-dozen boneheads who post them here?

I’m outa here. Gotta put food on my family.

By Bud Wiser

August 6, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

“By Copyleft

August 6, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

Wooten, and BFK, are dumbfounded that black voters didn’t automatically vote for Jones. In their fevered imaginations, black voters ALWAYS have to support black candidates, because it’s all their simple nigra minds can process.”

I swear to God I’ll never understand how morons like this guy continue to show to the world (via anonymity) how completely stupid they are. Of course the blacks voted for Jones. The whites (re: more voters) voted for Martin. The fact that Jones was a s corrupt as they get didn’t help him, either.

But, it boils down to this: Of course blacks vote only color, when available, in their contests. I have to go no further than cite Pennsylvania primary exit polls that gave Obama a 90% black vote, and that was versus Hillary! National polls against McCain now may reflect a little less…only a 95% black solidarity vote for their boy v. whitey.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; blacks are too stupid not to vote Obama, because of his color. They will follow the color line every time, because that is what their puppet slave masters at DNC headquarters tell them to do - vote Obama or it’s forty lashes from the massa Howard Dean. They are enslaved (again), this time from over fifty years of welfare and entitlements from the government, in the trillions of dollars, thanks to the Democrats and Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society.”

I guess being a slave is in the blood, this time to a political party that has done nothing for them, and in reality will do nothing to endanger their servitude status, like provide a real education, real opportunity, real housing assistance as opposed to ghetto breeding farms, etc. All they get is a black front showpiece for the election, say ‘vote Obama’, and stillnothing will change afterwards.

So the slaves will vote the blood and not the man, a man who is elitist and socialist by his very nature, and won’t lift a finger if elected to help his ‘brothers and sisters.’ He will continue to perpetuate the martyrdom of slavery to the Dems so that cycle can peacefully continue, and the slaves can continue toiling in the fields of their Democrat slave masters.

And yes, whites will flock to the polls to vote McCain, not because he is superior, but because they see Hussein Obama for the danger that he really is. You see, it’s not about race, but the pocketbook. McCain wants to let some people have some of their own money, and Obama wants to redistribute the wealth to support his slave-perpetuating programs.

By Taxpayer

August 6, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this

What innuendo. Wooten did everything short of tying a cow bell around that comparison. Black and white, young and old, steady and changed, war and peace, Obama and Martin.

By Jeff

August 6, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

BFK:

The correct solution to the problem is the Libertarian ticket, and since the vast majority of my local elections have already been decided (the only ‘local’ things I know of up for a decision in November all involve sending someone to either DC or Atlanta), there really is only one DemoCan that will be getting my vote then, and that is simply because he is the enemy of my enemy, though he is not necessarily my friend. There is no Libertarian in that particular race, and the Democrat is as liberal - possibly more so - as Obama and plays the race card as much as or possibly more than Obama.

So the three choices I am making in November: Barr for President, Buckley for Senate, Ferrell for US House (District 2)

By GMAN

August 6, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this

Take a look at what the straight talk express is all about…

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html

The GOP - Taking pride in being ignorant!

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 6, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

RON SUSKIND HAS TAPES

How Nixonian……

By GMAN

August 6, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Poor Bud Wiser! You continue to prove my point by taking pride in being ignorant. People of color in America do not vote as a monolith. This is a stereotype fueled by the ignorance of those who frequently give simple-minded answers to complex issues. But what else is new?

The GOP - Taking Pride in being ignorant!

By FRANKLEEDARLING

August 6, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Bud, you really need to get out more meet some african americans.

because if you did you would be aware of the african american communities disgust with Vernon Jones

you really come off sounding racist

By G

August 6, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Martin is just another Dem. He’s too liberal, too low key, and his debating skills are embarrassing. Saxby should enjoy an easy win.

By St. Pete

August 6, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Buttgeyser, take Wooten’s lead and stfu about racism, moron. Gads, is there a more obnoxious troll out there than Turdwiper? If so, I’ve never seen it.

“Duh, the white and the black is like the two party system, duhhhhh, …”

RETARD!!!!

By JW

August 6, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this

Has anything happened in the past six months that Senator Obama is not responsible for? How about something original from you GOPers? The parroting of Rush and Fox News is getting to be tiring. How about articulating something that you personally believe in? This is my second major election in Georgia and I believe that Saxby will win because he has the money to get his story out AND he looks like the type that Georgians embrace. And enough of the flag waving because you goods stood by and let Saxby do a pretty good hatchet job on Max.

By St. Pete

August 6, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

“We know for certain that Saddam Hussein met with Al Queda in Casablanca..” Cheney talking like a retard from 2002 to 2005.

“M. C. ROVE” (camera to Rove dancing and singing like a retard).

“Oooga Booga” (camera to president voodoo-mugging like a retard)

We need change.

Obama 08: America takes over.

By Taxpayer

August 6, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser! My hat’s (if I had one on, that is) off to you. Has anyone told you how spot on your commentary is with its definition of the new age GOP. That is some really great work there. I’ll bet Wooten could even hook you up with Saxby. You would make a great addition to his team with that ability to reach out so effectively to the GOP base.

Good show.

By Dasingle

August 6, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Martin’s victory is a true call for change combined with the arrogance of a politician who took his constituicy for granted.Vernon thought African Americans in GA would vote for him simply because he’s Black. African Americans along with others in this country want change. He thought he could attract conservative voters with his “I supported Bush” stance and still expect to hold on to his base. He alienated his base with this admission and lost the race convincely. I still think the winner of this primary will still lose in Nov. but Jones had a chance to be in the hunt and threw it away.

By Aquagirl

August 6, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

hillbilly @ 8:50, you’re right, I failed to acknowledge Jim’s resourcefulness. It’s good to see old-fashioned journalism—a new angle to every story—in action here at the AJC. We see so little of it among his colleagues.

By sharon

August 6, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser you need Prozac or it’s too damn early for you to be drinking bud weiser

By Bud Wiser

August 6, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

As usual, the ignorant libs take further pride in being ignorant. You cannot countermand or refute any statistic I make. You resort to name-calling and insults, the only weapon you have when you know you have been bested. You call me a racist, but are incapable with coping with your own feelings toward race as an issue, much less cope with the truth of statistics. Blacks overwhelmingly support Obama, and just because of color. FACT - FACT - FACT.BLACKS SUPPORT OBAMA 95-1 *UAS tODAY, AJC et al.

Truth? You can’t handle the truth. Heads in the sand, you sanctimonious garbage spewers ignore the truth when it is inconvenient. And since when did I say blacks voting 95-1 was racist? I just pointed out that it is racially motivated. If whites vote 95-1 in favor of a white cadidate versus black, in your view is that racist? Of course it is. Your double standard, your making your beliefs the only ones that should be believable, is what sickens you to the average American. It is why your show ponies Gore and Kerry lost to, quite frankly, an inferior opponent, and maybe an inferior man. But that is what maddens you the most, doesn’t it?

Your elitism, your smug sense of superiority and entitlement, those will be your downfall. And I will be laughing all the way!

By sharon

August 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

Bud Wiser you need Prozac or it’s too damn early for you to be drinking bud weiser

By Redneck Convert

August 6, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Well, that Obama guy needs to stay out of GA business. Coming down here and deciding which canadate runs against old Saxby. Wooten done did us all a favor by pointing out how powerful Obama is.

I reckon we better pay more attention to Obama if he has the power to decide who wins in GA races. It figures Those People would get the word out about who to vote for. I seen Those People do a lot of whispering in the past three weeks or so. They was probly passing the word down from Obama.

It won’t do him no good. Just wait till us GA rednecks rise up in our Righteous Wrath on election day and put old Saxby back in office. He may be a no-good, illegal-loving, worthless senator, but leastwise he’s our White illegal-loving, worthless Republican senator.

Have a good day everybody.

By BFKaJ

August 6, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Dear Shar @ 8:22, a cogent argument, thanks, I appreciate the insight. And you are right, you are too reasonable to be a leftist.

Dear Ragger @ 8:22, I concede that you offered me your best effort, at the limit of your capacity.

Dear Ga Values @ 8:28, thanks for publishing Prof. Mehan’s essay. I think his arguments are valuable, and wish at least 50% of the elected republicans were listening. I have given up on the democrats. But you confuse me with your two subsequent postings: at 8:34 you proved that Saxbe was a big spender and thus less conservative than even McCain, then at 8:43 you affirm that Saxbe is no moderate. Normally you reflect intelligent conservative positions, but here you seemingly irrationally define conservative as a “big spender?” Conservatives are notorious penny-pinchers, generally opposed to government spending. Perhaps a typo, that Saxbe is a moderate? Or are you arguing that Saxbe is a leftist?

Dear Copyleft @ 8:32, arguable thesis, “Democratic voters have little patience with blatant corruption, and we threw him out.” That would also explain the rejection of Hillary earlier this year. However, you cannot square that argument with the continued leadership role of Rep. Murtha, easily the most corrupt member of Congress, Sen. Stevens and Rep. Murtha notwithstanding.

By BFKaJ

August 6, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this

Dear Copyleft @ 8:32, apologies for error, I meant to cite Rep. Jefferson as the final name in my note.

By Devastator

August 6, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s new television ad links Republican John McCain to President Bush and questions whether McCain is the political maverick he claims to be.

The Obama campaign released the spot on Wednesday. It shows McCain acknowledging that he agrees with Bush on most issues.

The ad also criticizes McCain on three economic issues of concern to middle-class voters: tax breaks for the wealthy, money for oil companies, and tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. The ad ends with a smiling McCain and Bush side by side.

By Bud Wiser

August 6, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

It is never too early to drink Budweiser. Haven’t you ever heard of the ‘cowboy breakfast?’

Krispy Kreme donuts and a cold Bud at 6 am, when the sugar high wears off, the beer starts to kick in, or vice versa. Better for you than that Red Bull or those other unnatural energy drinks.

By FRANKLEEDARLING

August 6, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

so what happend yesterday bud ?

By Paul

August 6, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Frankleedarling 8:13

[[GOP=GUARD OUR PORK]]

That’s clever. But as far as the candidates go, McCain has the better anti-earmark record.

Interesting thing about this election is, no matter which candidate wins, the actions they’ve said they take on several issues will be the same. Earmarks is one.

Mrs. Godzilla

Good on you for voting. To use a well-worn phrase, you walk the talk.

GA Values 8:28

I read an article yesterday where the General Accountability Office said ” Roughly $1 billion of the $10 billion in annual Medicare payments the government makes for medical equipment are later deemed improper,”

One billion dollars. Ten percent of the total. The implications are staggering.

your 8:32

So, another way to phrase Obama’s support for the farm bill is that he may oppose tax cuts for the rich, but he supports direct payments for the rich!

By Bad S Mitten

August 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Enough dribble about Georgia politics. Let’s talk about the cool stuff going on out there. Did anyone else watch the Paris Hilton video. Is she cool or what. I mean she put the politicians in their places and even called them out using their generic names — Be it witches. You gotta love it. I’ll bet she’ll get more votes than McCain just from that one ad. Above all else though, she represents the true American dream — not that GOP crap about owning a foreclosed home while working at McDonalds flipping burgers and taking care of those “family values”. Hell no, we’re talking about non-taxable filthy inherited rich in your face Republican American dream. I’ll bet even old McCain is getting all hot and bothered and ready for a wet start after seeing that video.

By AmVet

August 6, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

Let’s just stop the one-way, hyper-hypocritical, cracker-like mental masturbation regarding racism in this country.

And yes, whites will flock to the polls to vote McCain, not because he is superior, but because they see…a WHITE man running against a mulatto!

What is the big deal in just being a REAL man and admitting this?

Yes, of course there is much black racism in this nation. And a huge percentage of blacks (in some cases) will vote black only. AND A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF WHITES WILL VOTE WHITE ONLY. Who thef&ck is even debating this?

But the difference between the worst of these Republicans and everyone else is that we non neo-cons are NOT afraid to admit ALL of us have been, and continue to be, guilty of blind intolerance. And still struggle daily to overcome the not-that-distant holocaust in America that has sowed these seeds we now deal with. It is part and parcel of the very fabric of this country. Personally and as a society.

Decades/centuries of murderous racial bigotry and injustice haven’t just magically ended in this country, because some/many determined white and black liberals and white and black progressives have made inroads over the past forty years in overpowering the white and black racists and do-nothing, pretend it didn’t happen and even if it did, it’s all OK now, gang.

And for those of you are constantly flummoxed by standard, written English that does NOT mean Democrat or Republican.

So the ultimate question is why is it that such a disproportionate percentage of these neo-cons generally act as if there is NO racism in their ranks? None, nada, zilch.

They are now, to a man, color-blind and “conservatively” free of the demons that have haunted and continue to haunt us ALL.

Bull hockey.

I believe the only answer can be intellectual and arrogant dishonesty by the “conservative” ostriches.

And it is rampant and across the board on a huge number of topics in this “new” “conservative” movement…

By St. Pete

August 6, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

Does the Vernon Jones collapse at the polls call into question the actual polling data itself? That could mean the already lopsided Obama landslide indicators are actually concealing the 65/35 blowout for Obama that I’ve been polling with real people in real stores. The media wont get ratings if people think it’s over. SO they skew the #s.

I ask people at starbucks and publix, and kroger, and home depot, for their opinion, and guess what? Nobody’s shy about enthusiastically supporting Obama for President. No matter how many people I ask, it always breaks down to 65/35 for Obama. Blow….OUT!

Americans are sick to death of the GOP. Only the diehard bush base, about 35% of the voters will vote for GOP. The only GOP support left is from folks with a commercial interest instead of a political interest in a Republican white house and congress. (but then I repeat myself)

This trend could last a generation.

By RW-(the original)

August 6, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

When people throw around raw numbers it’s easy to just go along with their premise, but sometimes it’s fun to look a little deeper than your average leftist ever will. For instance

When I voted yesterday at 5:20 pm, I was the 165th to vote at my polling place. My precinct has over 3000 voters.

Kinda’ sad don’t ya’ think?.

Possibly it is, but what if you live in a precinct that has a large percentage of those 3000 that vote Republican and they had no runoff or at least no significant runoff? In that case it may have been a remarkably high turnout in a runoff for a Senate candidate with virtually no chance of winning in November.

Just some food for thought on my way out the door. Does anybody buy Jim Wooten’s premise that there was some super secret Obumbler whisper campaign that turned the Senate runoff around with nobody getting wind of it in advance? I know I don’t. Mr. Wooten, you’re usually better than this. It’s fairly obvious that the electorate was shocked that Jones even got close the first time around. It’s also not that shocking a turnaround for a runoff. See McKinney, Cynthia.

Later y’all and for those playing at home the Texas Rangers got one step closer to playing .600 ball since they were written as America’s laughingstock.

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Later!

By Ga Values

August 6, 2008 9:43 AM | Link to this

BFKaJ —-I really think Saxby is a crook..Did you read McCain’s stand on the farm bill.. lots of good stuff.. we’ll see if the upper mid west votes for gun rights or their pocket book, as you know almost all the farm pay offs go to big corporations but I’m sure Saxby will carry south Ga.

By Devastator

August 6, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

St.Pete,

You are absolutely correct. The media skews the numbers and then makes a story out of it. Not to mention the cell phone only users(that I keep mentioning) that cannot be polled. Most of them are Obama’s.

By Get Real

August 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Wooten has said repeatedly that blacks will vote en masse for Obama and every other black candidate. When they don’t, its because Obama and his campaign told them to vote for the other candidate. Where’s the beef Wooten? Where’s an email, flyer, or anything else that shows Obama endorsing Martin in this run-off? When he came to Georgia last month, did he meet with Martin? Tell us everything you know Wooten. True journalism at its best right? Sure.

People saw Jones for what he was, nothing more. I’m black and I voted for Martin twice. Voted for Isaackson too, but that was a mistake. This is the most ridiculous article Wooten has ever written. He tries to tie Obama to everything. I didn’t get a letter from the Democratic Party or Obama on whom to vote for, I just used my best judgment. If Jones couldn’t do anything as Dekalb CEO, what could he do as a Senator. I don’t need a nominee for President OR the Democratic Party to tell me something I already know Wooten. You’re a liar and a hack journalist. I hope when you look back on your career, its something you can be proud of.

By Lily Toad

August 6, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

Jim Martin won because (a) he is the best candidate, and (b) turnout. No, Obama’s people didn’t whisper in our ears to vote for Martin, we Dems considered the candidates and voted for the one we like best and who will have the best chance to unseat Saxby. I know it’s a long shot, but with Jones, it would have been a slingshot against a tank.

The most insightful comment today came from ron who predicts by November Obama will be a moderate Republican. He’s certainly headed in that direction.

By Paul

August 6, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

JW 9:12

[[Has anything happened in the past six months that Senator Obama is not responsible for?]]

This is just a natural result of years of hearing there was nothing that took place in the entire Federal bureaucracy that Pres Bush was not responsible for. Dems traded short-term political gain (same as with labeling a difference of opinion as a “lie”) for long-term problems when they gained the positions of power.

St Pete 9:18

[[Cheney talking like a retard… Rove dancing and singing like a retard…“Oooga Booga” (camera to president voodoo-mugging like a retard)…Obama 08: America takes over]]

So this is the language (“retard, ooga booga”), labeling and level of discourse we can expect from an Obama administration?

Devastator 9:35

When the tax breaks for big oil came up in 2005, didn’t Obama vote for them while McCain voted against them?

From factcheck dot org regarding McCain voting with Pres Bush 95 percent of the time (that’s only for 2007, BTW):

“The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly’s Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president’s position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain’s support of President Bush’s position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party’s position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

As for whether voting with Bush 95 percent of the time last year is “significant,” that’s a matter of opinion that we leave to readers to determine for themselves.

When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama’s votes were in line with the president’s position 40 percent of the time in 2007.”

So, based upon one year’s vote, we can expect President Obama to be like Pres Bush 40 percent of the time?

By six/foot/six

August 6, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

@ Bud Kaiser aka Bud Wiser August 6, 2008 8:22 AM

If Obama’s appeal was specifically targeted towards blacks and the media, I’m sure he wouldn’t stand a chance in the general election in November. For one us blacks make up about what, 11%-13% of the total population? Throw in the numbers of us that are/or have been incarcerated for long periods of time and are unable to vote because of our criminal records and I would sadly say the number comes down to about 9%, not even counting those of us who don’t care or are just plan indifferent. The final tally would probably rest at 6% or 7% of the number of eligible voters out of the whole USA. And as far as the media, sheesh, get over yourself, Obama is not and never was the media’s sweetheart. Just because you see him on the cover of Rolling Stone says more about the current displeasure America is feeling over the last 7 years while Bush and his cronies implement phase II of the New World Order (Phase I was started by Bush Sr.), than about the media’s infatuation with him. For every supporter of Obama in the media there is a dissident such as good ol’ Jim Wooten or even Fox News who is so obsessed with tearing Obama’s campaign down that they hardly even talk about McCain. But just like I said yesterday Kaiser, this election isn’t really a referendum for McCain, because you right wingers don’t like him either, you all are really just voting against Obama.

By getalife "whiners"

August 6, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Jones lost because he admitted voting for w twice.

The old guy had a blast at Sturgis ripping a page out of the ones playbook and speaking at a free concert before Kid Rock.

Then offered up his wife for a wet t-shirt contest. Family values for the old guy is a little different from the wingnuts. Meth, naked, drunk and harleys.

Anyhoo, the Paris response video to him is hilarious. A funny day in politics yesterday.

By ron

August 6, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

St.Pete.The people you are polling are like me.They’ll say they’re voting for Obama in public because they’re tired of being called a racist if they indicate a preference for McCain.

By AmVet

August 6, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Duh(ng) RW,

America’s laughingstock, as you have named them, are a million games (actually 10.5) behind the Angels. (are they from Anaheim? LA? Both?)

And odds are, probably won’t even make a wild card appearance. Again.

It’s kinda like arguing how many seats will the GOP lose in Congress this fall? Twenty? Thirty? More?

It’s all just more semi-desperate mental masturbation for lovable (or not) losers to make an insignificant point important.

Off to keep the American economic engine humming. And to pay for the occupation.

Caio…

By cc

August 6, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

another bush slap in the face to America, he went out of his way to try to help stop the execution of an illegal immigrant in texas that raped and murdered two young girls. i am a white male, veteran and a u.s. citizen, the kind of u.s.citizen who’s parents are u.s. citizens, you know, the real kind. but if i had commited this same crime bush would not have tried to stop my execution. all for cheap labor for his corporate buddies that conveniently always forget to trickle down the huge amounts of money that they save, and all the while kissing the butt of mexico. what is patriotic about george bush’s actions?

john mccain bad mouthing other peoples children and it’s just funny, john kerry mentions the cheney’s daughter in a positive light and all the republicans can do is whine cry, carry on like a bunch of over sensitive babies. big double satndard. the republican party doesn’t care about Jesus, America, or you family, just the bottom line. they are just about the money. words don’t mean crap if you can’t back them up with good deeds. the same idiots that think oil is the answer. nothing worse than a group of people that have done so much to hurt this country the whole time wrapping themselves in the flag.

By Devastator

August 6, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ll bet those issues that he voted differently on had something to with cultural or spiritual matters. That’s why the GOP doesn’t like him.

By Mrs. Godzilla

August 6, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

So….

McCain takes a photo op tour through the model plant for the China Syndrome and suggests his wife be Miss Buffalo Chip????

If he knows what he’s doing with this stupid stuff….he should not be President.

If he does not know, and his campaign is “over handling” him…..he still should not be President.

Did y’all see Paris Hilton’s response ad?

The long version?

By Denise J

August 6, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure why people are assuming that all of the Black voters would vote for Vernon Jones. I am a professional African American woman in Atlanta who voted for Jim Martin in the primaries and runoff. All of the African American friends I spoke to (primarily professional women) were planning to vote for Jim Martin as well. Most stated that Vernon Jones has a scandalous reputation and felt it was highly likely that if by some stretch he could beat Chambliss, Jones would be bringing scandal to that office too. The other reason people stated is that they felt Martin had a better chance of beating Chambliss and the most important thing was trying to get a Democrat in.

Although it probably wasn’t the deal-breaker, most of the African Americans I spoke with, myself included, are Obama supporters and the whole Vernon Jones ad with Obama photoshopped in was a huge turnoff.

By Paul

August 6, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Devastator

The Diane Rehm show on NPR is about each candidate’s energy policies and their implications for the country. Given the inaccurate statements posted here yesterday about the candidates’ positions, it’d be a worthwhile listen.

The site also archives the discussion for later playback.

getalife whiner

After the McCain video with Paris came out, Leno said “wow, all those videos with Paris that got released, and THIS is the one her mom’s upset about?”

It was a funny day - and her energy proposal sounded a lot like McCain’s!

By shawn hanley

August 6, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Thank You Sen. John McCain and the IRI

Mike McIntire’s July 28th article in the NYT, “Democracy Gives Donors Access to McCain”, is nothing more than a fishing expedition. It proves that the corporate world – and, even lobbyists — can play crucial roles in advancing freedom around the world. McIntire’s article focuses on a long list of donors to the International Republican Institute (IRI) and argues that there must be an agenda beyond fighting for capitalism, entrepreneurship and freedom around the world. The entire article has only one line about the IRI’s mission.

What an idea! Go to the corporate world, where capitalism has proven beneficial for all of us, and ask them to contribute to another nation, so they, too, can benefit from the birth of a new capitalistic, free society.

While Obama was voting “present” on pot-hole legislation in Illinois , John McCain and the entire IRI board were focusing on raising money to make the world more free and democratic.

As a former Marine, I worked for the IRI as the Senior Program Officer for Political Parties. From 2005 through 2006, I trained the Iraqi people on political party development. I helped prepare Iraqis for their constitutional referendum and their first free election by training over 100 political parties in Erbil, Baghdad and Basrah. I taught political parties how to run their campaigns, budget and allocate resources, use the media and turn out the vote on Election Day. McIntire needs to understand that these are not Republican ideals. They are American ideals, born of a free society.

During my time in Iraq , the IRI Board was so focused on its mission that they had American personnel living and training political party members in the Red Zone. Why? Because it was the only way to give each party a chance at a free and fair election since many of these political parties, such as the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP), could not get through the first gate of the Green Zone.

One evening, the IRI Board was notified by the State Department that it had picked up “chatter” that our Red Zone compound was about to be mortared and terrorists would enter the compound and take American hostages. Instantly, the IRI Board relocated our living quarters to the Green Zone but our Red Zone trainings continued.

Another time, the Al-Hamra Hotel received a direct attack. A secure Red Zone compound, the Al-Hamara Hotel was the site of extensive training for over fifty political parties with over 400 party members. On the seventh day of trainings, one of my Iraqi staffers notified security that nearly half of the next day trainees, another group from the IIP, had cancelled. Noting, “something was up”, training for the next day was cancelled. It was that day that the Al-Hamra Hotel blew up; people were killed, and IRI local staff sustained minor injuries. Within minutes of the blast, the IRI Board was focused on one issue—how do we continue to conduct these classes and keep our staff safe? Within 48 hours of the Al-Hamra explosions, my colleague and I were teaching at Baghdad University , the new Red Zone training compound.

Bringing freedom around the world costs a lot of money, but somehow McIntire believes that freedom is free and those who donate must have an “angle” when they contribute. He even suggests that Alec Poitevint, a friend of John McCain’s and member of the IRI Board, gave money to the campaign to get something in return. I wonder if McIntire knows that Mr. Poitevint volunteered in Bulgaria in 1990 as an election observer and trainer. And, Mr. Poitevint did the same in Romania , Azerbaijan , Kazakhstan and the Ukraine .

Maybe people contribute because they believe in the International Republican Party and Sen. John McCain. I have one thing to say to Sen. John McCain, AT&T, Lorne Craner, Alec Poitevint, Judy Van Rest, Bellsouth, the entire IRI Board, and every lobbyist who contributed to the IRI. Thank you.

You helped keep us safe while we were able to bring free elections to a country now rid of a tyrant. Robert Frost once said “Freedom lies in being bold.” Thank you, International Republican Institute, for being bold.

Shawn Hanley,

Atlanta, Georgia

By Devastator

August 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

ron,

You’re a presumpious idiot. Nobody automatically declares that whoever votes for McCain is a racist. That’s never said or inferred.

If thinking that makes you feel better about the polls then more power to you.

By Steve

August 6, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this

Its really quite simple. Jones is a polarizing figure. Some people love him, and others hate him. Not a lot of ambivalent voters when it comes to him. In the primary, there were five candidates and the average voter turned out either to vote for Jones, or against Jones. In this run-off the “against Jones” vote only had one guy to pick.

I should know. I am one of the “against jones” voters. In the 2004 Dekalb County CEO race, he was not contested. I actually typed in, “Anyone else”.

The Dekalb County Commissioners have allowed developers free reign over our county for 8 years. Despite the lack of need for new housing, anyone with a bulldozer was allowed to scrape every oak tree down and build poorly contructed homes.

Had Vernon Jones stood up against developers and forseen the housing crash, AND kept his hands to himself, AND not used tax dollars to pay for his private security details all night, then he wouldn’t have had such a polarizing effect.

By Lou for LA

August 6, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

I sent this to Ms. Tucker about her racial column today. I wanted to copy JW, but could not.

Does no one see that Mr. Obama accuses his opponent of something no one has done???

Ms. Tucker:

“So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me,”

What Mr. Obama says here is something that his opponents are GOING to do, not something they have done. When people hear his words, the fact that his opponents in fact HAVE NOT (perhaps yet) used those tactics are lost on his audience. Instead we hear that those nasty Republicans have already used those reprehensible tactics, and feel empathy for Mr. Obama’s plight.

In my mind, this is dirty politics. Phrasing accusations that aren’t true in a way that makes them sound true.

Ms. Tucker, I’ve written to you several times before and you have yet to answer me. I surely would appreciate an acknowledgement.

I can understand that the response is to defend him, but please also take him to task for using false and misleading tactics.

Lewis Moore

By Paul

August 6, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

Devastator 10:02

Actually, I believe there were some significant policy differences.

It wasn’t too long ago Reps referred to McCain as the Dem’s best friend. The Rep “base” hated him - yet he still got the nomination. Partly shows just how fed up many Reps were with the leadership and policies.

But I think a core strategy of Obama is to associate McCain with Pres Bush in voter’s minds and to transfer the negative feelings for Pres Bush to McCain. Hence, you get these kinds of ads.

Rather than ads about the issues. In that respect they’re both acting like conventional politicians.

Mrs. Godzilla 10:03

Does this mean your sources are against nuclear power? Doesn’t this put them in opposition to Sen Obama’s record - particularly his votes for nuclear power in 2005?

By Devastator

August 6, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Lou for LA,

What do you call comparing him to Paris Hilton, addressing him by his middle name, quesioning his citizenship, the muslim rumors?

These are just a few things that his opponents have thrown at him irrespecitve of his policies. John McCain might not have said them personally , but McCain isn’t the only republican that is influencing the electorate. Everyone around him and talk radio are saying them.

You got no response because you’re opinion didn’t make any sense.

By Copyleft

August 6, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Conservatives aren’t allowed to be openly obsessive about race any more, so now they have to couch their racism in the form of complaints about OTHER people’s REVERSE racism!

All to hold together a desperately faltering and failing coalition between ignorant Southern whites (whose numbers are dwindling) and corrupt conservative-movement leaders (who never gave a damn about “socially conservative values” in the first place). It’s funny to watch, really.

Bud: I think you need some clarification in your understanding of the word fact.

FACT: Blacks overwhelmingly support Obama.

OPINION: It’s just because of color.

See the difference? One is a demonstrable fact supported by evidence; the