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If GOP loses on corruption, so be it.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Look, if Republicans sink further from control of the U.S. Senate, or if the Democrats gain a filibuster-proof majority, because a corrupt GOP senator is indicted, so be it. No problem here. None whatsoever.
Up front, let me quickly note that Alaska’s Ted Stevens, the longest-serving Republican senator, has only been indicted, accused on seven counts of failing to disclose hundreds of thousands of dollars in home-renovation services over a six-year period from a company in an oil-related business. He’s up for re-election this year and since that election is just over three months away, he’ll not have the chance to clear his name before Alaskans vote. He’s being challenged by Mark Begich, the Democratic mayor of Anchorage.
Indictments, as we all know, aren’t proof of criminality. U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas was indicted in 1993 for alleged official misconduct. Less than five months later a judge order her acquittal. The district attorney refused to present his case.
Stevens is not one of my favorites among Republicans in the Senate. He’s a pork-barreler most recently famous for the Road to Nowhere.
If Republicans lose Stevens and control because he has, in fact, been taking gifts and services from individuals with an interest in influencing government to gain competitive advantage, I’ll cheerfully take exile to the wilderness.
Conservativism never meant fleecing taxpayers in some other state to get goodies for mine. It never meant trading pork for votes or pork for votes. Public service, whether as a conservative, moderate or liberal, never meant getting rich, or living rich, in public office.
I have no problem with taking campaign contributions in any sum from individuals, interest groups and industries seeking to influence government policies, so long as they’re promptly and fully disclosed. I’d take contributions from interest groups supporting school vouchers, for example, because on that issue, I can’t be bought. I’m already there. Individuals should give campaign contributions to those in public office who are best able to advance the policies they advocate. Just disclose, promptly and fully.
When there’s a quid pro quo, where an individual company or contributing individuals, get something of monetary value in return, alarm bells go off. But that’s not necessarily evidence of corruption. I support opening more areas to off-shore drilling, for example. Oil companies will profit from that and may give me campaign contributions. But unless, as a public official, I’ve done something that specifically designates a public resource to a particular beneficiary, there’s no offense.
The Stevens indictment is not about campaign contributions, of course. If he took any of the services without paying, even if it’s not possible to prove a specific quid pro quo involving his public office, Stevens should be bunking with Bill Campbell.





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By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this
Recent radioactive leaks in France provide a cautionary tale for America’s “nuclear renaissance
HOW WE ALMOST BLEW UP OHIO…Nuclear regulators blame plant employees for a near miss at Davis-Besse power station. Maybe it’s the regulators we should be worried about.
An Indicted (GOP) Senator, a Disgraced (GOP-run) Justice Department, a Gagged (GOP-managed) EPA—Just Another Day in D.C.
McCainerly Hillbillies Cartoon by Mark Fiore | July 29, 2008
Forget the Surge — Violence Is Down in Iraq Because Ethnic Cleansing Was Brutally Effective Juan Cole, JuanCole.com War on Iraq: The bloodbath in Baghdad has resulted in fewer ethnically mixed neighborhoods, leading to the recent drop in violence.
“Terrorists should be perceived and described as criminals, not holy warriors, and our analysis suggests there is no battlefield solution to terrorism. The United States has the necessary instruments to defeat al-Qaida, it just needs to shift its strategy.”
Another McCain Involved In Bank Collapse?
Imagine that: “[W]hen you increase the number of teenagers eligible to receive family planning services through Medicaid you get fewer teen pregnancies.”
Something about the Knoxville killings touched me, though. I saw the picture of the guy who did the killing “so ordinary” said the neighbours, “he seemed like a nice man” and I couldn’t but agree. But what touched me, more, was this - a man named Greg McKendry. McKendry’s dead now, and he’s dead because of this: he deliberately shielded others from a shotgun blast. You don’t survive that, and he had to know it. So he knew what he was doing, and he made a decision—to put the lives of others above his own. Then the congregants tackled the shooter, took him down, and held him for police. Love of others, sacrifice for others, and calm collective action to deal with a threat. They say that Unitarians are the most liberal church around. I don’t know if that’s true, but in the face of tragedy, Unitarians certainly showed what liberalism should be.
By BFKaJ
July 30, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I guessed right on the topic.
Political Ethics 101, final examination. Two hypothetical cases, reflecting the tenor of the times. One is indicted, and the other is nominated for president. Identify the Senator in each case, and discuss the comparative ethics involved.
(1) Senator “O” sought to buy a house listed @ $2 million. He was able to purchase it for $1.65 million when his friend, the influence-buyer who is a real estate developer, agreed to purchased an adjacent lot for $600,000. The vacant lot was only one-quarter the size of the house lot, and is too small and too narrow for development otherwise. The two purchase transactions closed on the same day.
(2) Senator “S” owned a home. The influence-buyer, who is a real estate developer, improved the value of the Senator’s home by providing free labor worth approximately $150,000. The Senator reported the value of the free labor as only $130,000.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 30, 2008 8:37 AM | Link to this
“Change” that you can count on:
Mass. closer to letting out-of-state gays wed- “Sometimes what you hope and pray for actually happens, which is kind of overwhelming,” Michael Thorne, 55, of Cape Elizabeth, Maine, said after telling his 6-year-old son his parents could soon get married. Thorne and his partner of 25 years, James Theberge, have an Aug. 18 wedding planned in Provincetown.-Urinal/ SickoTimes
So the kid was a butt baby?
Freaks.
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Aahhh, yes, “Paul Revere” rides again:
Iraqis begin Diyala offensive- Military officers, both Iraqi and American, said that insurgents had probably fled the area after news media reports that the sweep was due to begin soon.-Urinal/PMS
“Thee surge is coming, thee surge is coming!”
Another chapter in the pinko folklore, complete with a happy cut and run ending.
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Aahhh, yes, the Doom and Gloom understands biology:
U.S. official: Iraqis needing clean water –Urinal/DNC
You reckon?
What, are we taking summer school courses?
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Wanna know why I don’t pay much mind to polls?:
Consider that mid-June poll by Newsweek that thrilled Democrats by showing Obama with a whopping 15-point lead. Newsweek’s sample of registered voters showed only 23 percent identified themselves as Republican compared to 38 percent who said they were Democrat, a skew unmatched by other polls.
What happens if the polls should shift the other way? What fate befalls the frontrunner who falls behind? Just ask that formerly “inevitable” nominee, Bruno Clinton.
How many “inevitable” candidates can the dimwitocrats have in one election?
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Thee misconceptions:
Now that the conservatives have “smashed the welfare state,” why is it that spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid is at record levels for each program, the highest in history, with the three programs now slated to lead over the next 35 years to the Federal government doubling in size relative to the economy (GDP)? Having rolled back the War on Poverty, why are we still spending close to $700 billion each year on means-tested welfare programs, more than we spend on national defense? Add up Federal, state and local spending on education, and you will find that total is higher than spending on national defense as well, at record levels, higher than ever.
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We are gleefully told of a poll, for instance, in which Obama was the presidential choice of 52% of a whopping 6,256 Europeans and Russians; as if that should somehow matter to a people whose ancestors fled the intrigue and “foreign entanglements” of Europe to build a nation where success was to be the reward for hard work and not simply bestowed by entitlement.
By Ray
July 30, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this
Has “cold cash Jefferson” been indicted yet?
By Mid-South Philosopher
July 30, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim, and “Hello!”
It has been a while since I have been on, but, alas, some of us have to work.
Word comes that Georgia’s State Budget has the potential for a 2 billion dollar shortfall this year because of a decline in state tax collections. Hard to believe given this great and robust “Bush” economy!
Rumors are that the Governor will summon the General Assembly into special session to deal with this economic crisis. First line of attack, of course, will be to rescind teacher and state employee pay raises. Next, the august body will repeal the meager tax reductions enacted in the last session. It is always the teachers, state employees, and the common citizens that need the Vaseline after the General Assembly does it work.
If things are as bad as Silly Sonny and the rest of those toilet heads are asserting, let them lead by example and take a 35% pay cut! That would demonstrate the seriousness of the situation and make the shaft a lot more palatable for the rest of us.
Chances of it happening?…about as good as those of Barack Obama being honored as Outstanding Young Man of the Year by the Cobb County Republican Party!
It is a great life, if you don’t weaken.
By Ga Values
July 30, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Since you don’t have a problem with Congressmen taking contributions from special interest groups that you write legislation, why doesn’t the AJC publish a list of the donors to Saxby’s $4,000,000.00 war chest & what they got in return??
By BFKaJ
July 30, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 8:24, forgive my word quibbling, but you surely did not mean “near miss.” Surely it actually did miss, otherwise Ohio would be aglow?
By Dusty
July 30, 2008 8:50 AM | Link to this
Hello Ya’ll, Well I am back from a little reprieve yesterday!! After seeing that some lucky person was visited by the Lord through a bag of Cheetos, I just had to try and find my very own Cheeto Jesus. After visiting my nearest Kroger, Publix and Food Lion and buying up all the Cheetos available, I proceeded to open and consume all the non-holy cheese treats I found. I was fortune enough to come across a Baby Jesus look alike in my 25th bag of Cheeto Puffs and a Crucified Jesus Cheeto Crunchy in just the 12th bag of that variety! I just do love my Cheetos. Now I can display my 2 Cheeto Jesus’ with my Pancake Jesus, my Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese, and my Cornflake Jesus. Over all I had a wonderful day combining my 2 biggest loves, food and Jesus. Now if only I could come across a Potato Bush my life could end tomorrow and I would feel complete. And just think of how I have single handedly stimulated the economy buying up all those Cheese Snacks. The bestest, greatest President ever, Dubya, would be so proud of his Dusty for shopping to help with my war effort. Defeat Al Qaeda, spend at the mall and grocery store!
I see those depraved French are at it again. What president’s wife would pose nude? Now I do admit to a bit of a penchant for naughtiness. Once Mr. Dusty had me pose in a bikini surrounded by different cuts of pork. I know it was wrong, but I like to keep him interested. It is good for the sake of the marriage.
Well got to toodloo for awhile, my swiffer is armed and ready for action. I plan to dust all morning and then hit the stores again. I intend to do my part to defeat Al Qaeda.
By Goldie
July 30, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Another Repug may be heading off to the pokey, all because of selfishness and greed… how typical. Ted Stevens used to be famous for his “Bridge to Nowhere”, but he could become even more famous if he should share a Federal prison cell with the likes of Duke Cunningham or Jack Abramoff.
By Ray
July 30, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
Come on, people, these are politicians, whether lib or repub makes no difference. All have war chests, all are tax excempt benefits to the retiring politician and all have strings attached to the money. This is legalized bribery, no matter what your party. Everyone does it, it stinks and should not be done but there are a lot of things that these yahoos do that are not ethical or correct. Quit making it a partisan issue.
By Jim Wooten
July 30, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this
Welcome back, Mid-South. We’ve missed your contributions. Dang making a living if it takes you from your important work here on this blog.
By BFKaJ
July 30, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 8:24, “Terrorists should be perceived and described as criminals, not holy warriors, and our analysis suggests there is no battlefield solution to terrorism. The United States has the necessary instruments to defeat al-Qaida, it just needs to shift its strategy.” You will be amused by this knee-slapper, a case where the terrorist was treated, not as a terrorist but as a criminal, with habeas corpus rights and all. “From Gitmo to Miranda, with Love: How the American left feted and freed a Guantanamo inmate who then killed in Iraq. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121737320982594975.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
By Peter
July 30, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this
Good Morning to Jim today……finally a topic with teeth, and finally one I can agree with Jim on.
Please let’s start at the top Jim, the current White House has been the leader of all the Republican Corruption.
Let’s look at the no bid contracts in Iraq, and the cost plus contracts as well…….
Watch the movie “Iraq for Sale”.
What we all will find is the current administration will be guilty of wasting BILLIONS of American Tax Payers money……..along with the shoddy accounting of the money spend in Iraq and with Pakistan.
Jim who we are fighting in Afghanistan……would we be there if Bin Laden was caught ?
The corruption in Washington just starts with Alaska’s Ted Stevens, but to find the real criminals…….. the White House is the place to start !
By BFKaJ
July 30, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
Dear Goldie @ 8:51, how do you feel about the unindicted Senator in my 8:25 post?
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
July 30, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
First off, I’m amazed that you broached the subject.
That said, it’s telling how you are so quick to jump to conclusions regarding anyone on the other side of the aisle, but are willing to extend every benefit to those you like.
If I recall, the Right was up in arms over Asian donations to Clinton/Gore … donations that now seem quaint by comparison to what’s been occurring lately.
Our government is being run by the people who can afford to pay the politicians. It’s that simple.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
BFKaJ
A very,very sad but true story. And not in the least amusing.
However, I for one am unwilling to give up on the ideals of Democracy because it is not perfect? Are you?
Perhaps this “How the American left feted and freed a Guantanamo inmate who then killed in Iraq” could be restated as “How America stood by the principles the nation was founded on even when it hurt”.
By zeke
July 30, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Stevens may be guilty, but, more important is the fact that posing as a republican is criminal when he is actually a liberal democrat! Same for Hagel, Warner, Dukakus and the others that run as republicans just so they can get elected! And those idiot dems in congress are complete moronic fools! All they can do is to continuosly try to “get Bush” because he defeated their fair haired boy. That unintelligent moron from Tennessee!! Bush had every legal right to replace “all” of the federal prosecutors, which infact, Clinton did! Where is the investigation of that? Political hacks! May there never be another demogog President, and, may congress become 70% CONSERVATIVE!!!
By lava
July 30, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
has only been indicted,,pityful,u got nothing intelligent to say to support ur holier than thou attitudes.Even ur friend BFKaJ is reduced to presenting imaginary scenarios without talking substance about this particular Republican’s situation. **PATHETIC IDIOTS,MASQUARADING AS HOLY,CONSERVATIVE AND MORALLY RIGHT.HYPOCRITICAL THIEVES….
By getalife
July 30, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
They have one gop on tape telling the CEO of the oil company in Alaska, “I will sell my soul to the devil”.
That sums up the gop.
But both parties are corrupt. Nothing will change until they make the legal bribery system of lobbying illegal.
Business as usual until that happens.
By TW
July 30, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
Really, congratulations are in order. The GOP has shown significant improvement. They’ve gone from ‘Foley free love’ to ‘soliciting homo sex wide stance’ to just a regular old indictment for lying.
yee-ha
Because a loser is a loser.
Next thing ya know, the GOP will put forth a candidate who will actually boast about getting shot down, captured, and then making statements against our country…wait…
By Get Real
July 30, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
First of all Wooten, it’s ‘BRIDGE’ to know where. Don’t journalists get all the facts prior to writing their article? Or is it all opinion like yours? Hope this was edited before being presented to the masses.
Your entire post today is one big contradiction. You say, “Public service, whether as a conservative, moderate or liberal, never meant getting rich, or living rich, in public office.” Well what kind of ‘gifts’ do you think special interests give to politicians? And what lobbyists actually give gifts and expect nothing in return?
Another paragraph that didn’t surprise me. “I have no problem with taking campaign contributions in any sum from individuals, interest groups and industries seeking to influence government policies, so long as they’re promptly and fully disclosed. I’d take contributions from interest groups supporting school vouchers, for example, because on that issue, I can’t be bought. I’m already there. Individuals should give campaign contributions to those in public office who are best able to advance the policies they advocate. Just disclose, promptly and fully.” I’m sorry but I don’t live in la-la land like you Republicans that see no problem with this, but ‘those in public office’ are there to represent their constituents. Not to advance the agenda of special interests. Even if they agreed with the policy of some lobbyist, if it offers no benefit to the people they’re supposed to represent (Bridge to Nowhere as a good example) it shouldn’t move forward.
Your view on this couldn’t be more ‘out of the mainstream’, but what could one expect from a conservative. They’ve been living by Wooten’s creed for 7 1/2 years. No problem with lobbyists buying influence in our branches of government.
How about you tell Sonny and his crew to take a pay cut themselves, instead of keeping teachers from getting raises. Or maybe rescind the sweet deals offered to special interest groups, that provided ‘gifts’ to the State Assembly for nothing whatesoever. Yeah right.
By Ray
July 30, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
The dems don’t give up when it comes to oneupsmanship, do they. They are raising hell about selecting judges based on political affiliation and about the firing of judges by someone with a conservative bent. Ask Robert Bork about selecting a judge on the basis of political philosophy. The libs want more Ginsburgs and the repubs want more Alitos and these week long marathons in Congress in selecting these judges prove that ideology is the main reason that a judge is selected. But it does make good fodder just prior to an election.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
BFKaJ
From Politifact:
No proof Rezko saved Obama money on home
It didn’t take long for the Republican Party to pounce after Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a prominent former fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama, was convicted on June 4, 2008, on federal charges of fraud and money laundering as part of Illinois’ pay-to-play politics.
The very day of the conviction, the Republican National Committee crafted a news release titled, “Obama Must Answer Questions so the American People Can Decide.”
One of those questions: “Did Obama know that Tony Rezko was saving him $300,000 on the purchase of his home?”
By asking if Obama knew about it, the question presumes the claim is true: that Rezko did, in fact, save Obama $300,000 on the purchase of his home.
Now it’s true that Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price for a century-old mansion that he and his wife, Michelle, purchased from a Chicago doctor in 2005 for $1.65-million.
And on the same day the Obamas closed on their house, Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, bought a vacant lot next door from the same seller for $625,000, the full asking price. Obama said it was his understanding that there was another offer besides the Rezkos’ for the vacant lot at or near the asking price, thereby setting the market.
The Obama campaign has posted an e-mail from the seller, Frederic Wondisford, confirming that Obama’s offer on the house was the best one. In the letter, the seller says he rejected two lower offers from the Obamas before the two sides finally settled at $1.65-million.
The seller also confirmed that he did not offer or give the Obamas a discount on the house price on the basis of the price offered and accepted on the adjacent vacant lot purchased by Rezko’s wife.
Lastly, Wondisford confirmed that it was he who insisted the closing for the two properties be completed on the same day.
Donna Schwan, with MetroPro Realty, which listed both the house and the vacant lot, recalled that there were several offers on both the house and the lot, though she could not remember the amount of those other offers and said she has since discarded the offer sheets.
“The most important thing to the sellers was to close on the same day,” Schwan said, as they did not want one of the properties to sit unsold, alone.
The sellers also required the buyers to put off the closing until June 15, after their children had gotten out of school.
The fact that the Rezkos agreed to purchase the vacant lot on that date in mid June, “could have been to their (the Obamas’) advantage, absolutely,” Schwan said.
“Each was contingent on the other selling,” she said.
“Whoever was willing to close on that date, if they made a reasonable offer, that’s who they went with,” Schwan said.
One could certainly argue that the Rezkos’ purchase, and their flexibility on the closing date, helped assure that the Obamas’ offer was accepted. The real estate agent made clear that getting the two properties sold at the same time was a priority for the seller.
But that’s still a long way from saying the Rezkos saved the Obamas $300,000. The GOP offers no proof that the price paid by the Obamas was anything other than a matter of negotiation, or that the Obamas would have had to pay $300,000 more if not for the Rezkos’ purchase. In fact, the seller specifically confirmed that the Obamas’ offer of $1.65-million was the best offer he received on the house. Further, the seller confirmed that he did not offer the Obamas a discount on the price of the house “on the basis of or in relation to the price offered and accepted on the lot.”
Having the Rezkos as flexible buyers on the vacant lot might have helped the Obamas get the house they had been trying to buy, but there’s just nothing to support the GOP claim that the Rezkos saved the Obamas $300,000. We say False.
Please stick with the smear du jour… it’s soooo much effort to go back and get the ones that were debunked months ago!
By Paul
July 30, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla 8:24
“Forget the Surge” restated is “the surge didn’t work. Violence is down because there’s hardly anybody left to kill.”
Do you realize how silly such arguments appear to nonideologues?
The tribute to the congregant in Knoxville who sacrificed his life to save others was touching – until it was tied into a partisan “this shows what liberals do” angle. Unitarians are “liberal” in theology compared to many Christian denominations. But religious “liberalism” does not necessarily translate to political “liberalism” particularly given many here on the “Left” condemn any Christian practitioner, no matter how “liberal” the doctrine or practices.
BTW – don’t any of your sites have reference to:
Scott McClellan apologizing to Bill O’Reilly for agreeing with Chris Mathews that he received White House Talking Points?
I was also kinda hoping we’d get a philosophical exposition regarding Spkr Pelosi’s reason for opposing offshore drilling: because she’s “trying to save the planet.”
Really! You can’t make this stuff up –
Goldie, Mr. Wooten, et al
My understanding is Sen Stevens was indicted, not for accepting the items, but for lying about it? So we have another case where an act nearly everyone would say was “wrong” is not prosecutable, but the hanging offense is lying about it.
As to the sentence “ But unless, as a public official, I’ve done something that specifically designates a public resource to a particular beneficiary, there’s no offense” – a couple months back Fox News had a special report about Congressman, Senators profiting from their positions. Started out with Rep Denny Hastert. Then went on to a Congressman from Ohio, I think, who passed an earmark for a particular contractor, who told the contractor to hire his relative’s company as a sub to perform the work. The Ethics Committee said “no foul, that’s okay according to our rules.”
By Fairness Doctrine
July 30, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
This neocon says throw Stevens in jail and toss the key. We can slam our own, which liberals can’t. But I came here to say something else:
By getalife “whiners” July 29, 2008 10:03 AM
“The shotgun-wielding suspect in Sunday’s mass shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was motivated by a hatred of “the liberal movement,” and he planned to shoot until police shot him, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said this morning.” “You are pathetic Andy.”
By AmVet July 29, 2008 3:46 PM
“Welcome to the “new” GOP.So this white southern scumbag “conservative” hated liberals and thought he’d just shoot up a Unitarian church. During a children’s play!!! It probably makes a couple of the regulars here smile. [snip] No, neither Coulter nor O’Reilly nor any of their sickening pals actually pulled the trigger, but they surely knew that their words would encourage their fellow far right wing nut jobs who could and would. These are the mullahs of the extremist American right, and the liberal-hating homicidal Adkisson is a suicide bomber of their own creation. Say what you want about the aggressive rhetoric of non neo-con bloggers and activists like me, but we don’t advocate violence. Though at times I must admit I would sure like to…”
I won a bet! I bet that some liberal blog wingnuts were going to blame that church murderer’s actions on neo-Con talk radio. That didn’t take long. In any event, the amount of hatred and resentment from the wingnut left both on this blog and on others such as Democratunderground.com and Daily Kos exposes just as much “Hate” speech that Coulter, O’Reilly, Rush, Hannity, etc. allegedly spew out. Even on this blog I’ve read comments from liberals who would like to “bash in heads” of conservatives and “beat some sense” into them.
Let’s look at the bigger picture here since mindless liberals can’t: tens of millions of people listen, read, and watch the aformentioned people and go on with their dailly lives. One person apparently took things out on his own failures, inclulding havnig “problems” with Chrstianity and running out of food stamps (a liberal idea mind you), and murdered people.
But we know what’s really going on here. The liberals are going to use this one instance to label any speech against liberals as hate speech and inciting violence. This is the only way that liberals can possibly shut down the voice of conservatives. What the aformentioned spew out is no more than what has been spewed out on Air America, Democratunderground.com, and Daily Kos. If the liberals want to go that route, then we can shut down ALL blogs and ALL radio and TV personalities. There will be no shortage of lawyers to take that on for a REAL fairness doctrine.
By Chicago
July 30, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Lobbyists don’t give gifts to public officials who already agree with their policies Wooten. They try to buy the influence of those that HAVEN’T bought into what their trying to do. You may slip this by some non-informed republican, but this entire piece is BS.
By @@
July 30, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
‘Ya know Jim, I wouldn’t want any one of those leftists posting yesterday to sit on my jury. The only thing that excites them more than an indictment against a Republican, is when a Republican or conservative dies. That propels them into a mosh pit where they party with all-out abandon.
You are guilty Jim, GUILTY I SAY……..
guilty of respecting the Rule of Law.
By CommunistAJC
July 30, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
If the GOP loses then we will be a socialist country. Plain and simple. The idiotic wealth envy of liberals is now out in the open. Found this analysis on Barack Husseins plans for America. Code word for SOCIALISM. So everything our soldiers and country have fought for 200 years will go down the drain. Who do I blame? GOVERNMENT! The majority of people who vote democrat are uneducated.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=302137342405551
By CommunistAJC
July 30, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Barack Obama’s Stealth Socialism NVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY
During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. “I’ve been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served,” he said at the group’s 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.
And as president, “we’ll ensure that economic justice is served,” he asserted. “That’s what this election is about.” Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn’t have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
It’s the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we’re launching this special educational series.
“Economic justice” simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It’s a euphemism for socialism.
In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama’s positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.
In his latest memoir he shares that he’d like to “recast” the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the “winner-take-all” market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).
Obama also talks about “restoring fairness to the economy,” code for soaking the “rich” — a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.
It’s clear from a close reading of his two books that he’s a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.
Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.
Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He’s disguising the wealth transfers as “investments” — “to make America more competitive,” he says, or “that give us a fighting chance,” whatever that means.
Among his proposed “investments”:
• “Universal,” “guaranteed” health care.
• “Free” college tuition.
• “Universal national service” (a la Havana).
• “Universal 401(k)s” (in which the government would match contributions made by “low- and moderate-income families”).
• “Free” job training (even for criminals).
• “Wage insurance” (to supplement dislocated union workers’ old income levels).
• “Free” child care and “universal” preschool.
• More subsidized public housing.
• A fatter earned income tax credit for “working poor.”
• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.
His new New Deal also guarantees a “living wage,” with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and “fair trade” and “fair labor practices,” with breaks for “patriot employers” who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for “nonpatriot” companies that don’t.
That’s just for starters — first-term stuff.
Obama doesn’t stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize your entire human resources department — from payrolls to pensions. His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers alike.
You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and presidential challenger John McCain, think he’s the most liberal member in Congress.
But could he really be “more left,” as McCain recently remarked, than self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)?
Obama’s voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois statehouse, says yes. His career path — and those who guided it — leads to the same unsettling conclusion.
The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii — and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed.
A careful reading of Obama’s first memoir, “Dreams From My Father,” reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 — a man he cryptically refers to as “Frank” — was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his “subversive,” “un-American activities.”
As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis’ feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and advice, including: Never trust the white establishment.
“They’ll train you so good,” he said, “you’ll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh**.”
After college, where he palled around with Marxist professors and took in socialist conferences “for inspiration,” Obama followed in Davis’ footsteps, becoming a “community organizer” in Chicago.
His boss there was Gerald Kellman, whose identity Obama also tries to hide in his book. Turns out Kellman’s a disciple of the late Saul “The Red” Alinsky, a hard-boiled Chicago socialist who wrote the “Rules for Radicals” and agitated for social revolution in America.
The Chicago-based Woods Fund provided Kellman with his original $25,000 to hire Obama. In turn, Obama would later serve on the Woods board with terrorist Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. Ayers was one of Obama’s early political supporters.
After three years agitating with marginal success for more welfare programs in South Side Chicago, Obama decided he would need to study law to “bring about real change” — on a large scale.
While at Harvard Law School, he still found time to hone his organizing skills. For example, he spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course taught by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation. With his newly minted law degree, he returned to Chicago to reapply — as well as teach — Alinsky’s “agitation” tactics.
(A video-streamed bio on Obama’s Web site includes a photo of him teaching in a University of Chicago classroom. If you freeze the frame and look closely at the blackboard Obama is writing on, you can make out the words “Power Analysis” and “Relationships Built on Self Interest” — terms right out of Alinsky’s rule book.)
Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father’s communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Harvard-educated economist, grew to challenge the ruling pro-Western government for not being socialist enough. In an eight-page scholarly paper published in 1965, he argued for eliminating private farming and nationalizing businesses “owned by Asians and Europeans.”
His ideas for communist-style expropriation didn’t stop there. He also proposed massive taxes on the rich to “redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all.”
“Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed,” Obama Sr. wrote. “I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development.”
Taxes and “investment” … the fruit truly does not fall far from the vine.
(Voters might also be interested to know that Obama, the supposed straight shooter, does not once mention his father’s communist leanings in an entire book dedicated to his memory.)
In Kenya’s recent civil unrest, Obama privately phoned the leader of the opposition Luo tribe, Raila Odinga, to voice his support. Odinga is so committed to communism he named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.
With his African identity sewn up, Obama returned to Chicago and fell under the spell of an Afrocentric pastor. It was a natural attraction. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaches a Marxist version of Christianity called “black liberation theology” and has supported the communists in Cuba, Nicaragua and elsewhere.
Obama joined Wright’s militant church, pledging allegiance to a system of “black values” that demonizes white “middle classness” and other mainstream pursuits.
(Obama in his first book, published in 1995, calls such values “sensible.” There’s no mention of them in his new book.)
With the large church behind him, Obama decided to run for political office, where he could organize for “change” more effectively. “As an elected official,” he said, “I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer.”
He could also exercise real, top-down power, the kind that grass-roots activists lack. Alinsky would be proud.
Throughout his career, Obama has worked closely with a network of stone-cold socialists and full-blown communists striving for “economic justice.”
He’s been traveling in an orbit of collectivism that runs from Nairobi to Honolulu, and on through Chicago to Washington.
Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as “liberal,” let alone socialist.
Public opinion polls usually reflect media opinion, and the media by and large have portrayed Obama as a moderate “outsider” (the No. 1 term survey respondents associate him with) who will bring a “breath of fresh air” to Washington.
The few who have drilled down on his radical roots have tended to downplay or pooh-pooh them. Even skeptics have failed to connect the dots for fear of being called the dreaded “r” word.
But too much is at stake in this election to continue mincing words.
Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.
A perfect storm of statism is forming, and our economic freedoms are at serious risk.
Those who care less about looking politically correct than preserving the free-market individualism that’s made this country great have to start calling things by their proper name to avert long-term disaster.
By Paul
July 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Peter 9:03
No-bid contracts and cost-plus contracts are governed by law. They weren’t an invention of the Bush administration.
You may want to Google “Federal Acquisition Regulations” to see how the Fed agencies implement the law.
If they are a huge problem, Congress has had ample time to hold hearings and change the law. They haven’t. If it is a problem the Democratic leadership obviously sees it as minor compared to the advantages of keeping the current system and using it as a political complaining point.
By @@
July 30, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
“How America stood by the principles the nation was founded on even when it hurt”.
those who would protect Mrs. Godzilla from an enemy who is committed to destroying those principles which she holds so dear.
By Common Sense
July 30, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Good Morning everybody,
Real estate transaction: What a willing seller is willing to sell the property at a price the willing borrower is willing to pay!
I will take a real estate at $100,000,$200,000 or any number if a seller is offering.
Rumor has it Jim Wooten just purchased a 2nd home in Chicago on the same street that Mr. Obama lives on!
Now how about that!
On a serious note politics is set-up to receive all the goodies from big business that is why they vote for big businesses who actually run this country.
I am going to get my career started in politics and run as a conservative liberal that way I can get everyone to vote for me!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 30, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups.
“There’s no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we’ve got some very sad and difficult things to account for,” Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY ‘08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.
So do the Germans but I didn’t see Lord High Dimwit scolding them last week.
Nope, this punk does just like every other spineless wonder liberal, he takes on the freest, fairest and most giving country in the World, the America that these POS hate so much.
KMA, Obama, you yellow koward.
By Paul
July 30, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
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Good morning. Someone once asked me what frightens me. My answer was “the idea of being tried by a jury of my peers.” Y’know that 25 percent who’ll believe anything? They’re on juries. The ideas, beliefs and surety of knowledge displayed by some on blogs? The authors are on juries. The inability of some to put aside personal preconceptions and follow an argument to its conclusion? They’re on juries. Scary -
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Paul
““Forget the Surge” restated is “the surge didn’t work. Violence is down because there’s hardly anybody left to kill.” Do you realize how silly such arguments appear to nonideologues?”
No, I don’t think anybody thinks ethnic cleansing is silly. You chuckling about it now are you?
I also think your restatement is inaccurate - the surge did work - some of it - some didn’t - remember “benchmarks”?
Did the surge work is not a yes or no question. For the answer to be accurate it must be quantified.
ALSO
I completely disagree with this:
“But religious “liberalism” does not necessarily translate to political “liberalism” particularly given many here on the “Left” condemn any Christian practitioner, no matter how “liberal” the doctrine or practices.”
There are a few who condemn “Christians” but many who condemn “fake christians”. (Famous fake christian calls for assasination of……)
Of course my sights have the BOR Scotty dust up…..not only did Scott say he was sorry to BOR (he never specifically named BOR) he also stood by his comments…
Oh, and saving the planet ….well ….that is just too hilarious! Heaven forbid we try that.
Excuse me for a few minutes while I run outside and poor some half filled paint cans out somewhere so they can seep into the water table! What a laugh riot!
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Report: Troop shortages in Afghanistan linked to Taliban comeback.
In a sobering speech on the Senate floor, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) formally announced the request for a Department of Justice investigation into the potential criminal conduct of EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson, whom he called “a man after Spiro Agnew’s own heart.” Whitehouse listed five charges of “putting the interests of corporate polluters before science and the law” in ozone, lead, soot, tailpipe emissions, and global warming pollution; and four charges of degrading “the procedures and institutional safeguards that sustain the agency;” before discussing “his apparent dishonesty in testimony before Congress”
*Many voters are wondering whether a McCain presidency would be an extension of Mr. Bush’s two disastrous terms. If the way Mr. McCain is running his campaign these days is an indication, Americans don’t have to wait until next January for the answer to that one. *
Watch for the Steal…..Will GOP Election Theft Machine Do It Again in 2008? With record low approval ratings for the Bush/Cheney regime and the albatross of an unpopular war hanging from the GOP’s neck, do you think that a Democratic presidential candidate will win the White House, get us out of Iraq, and end our long national nightmare? Think again - the mighty election theft machine Karl Rove used to steal the US presidency in 2000 and 2004 may be under attack, but it is still in place for the upcoming 2008 election.
By CommunistAJC
July 30, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, You are opposed to just about everything. From drilling for our own oil to nuclear power. Can you please give us a solution? I mean since you are an engineer and know all about alternative solutions. Your scare tactic of using a “near-miss” is pretty desperate. There is only so much of high gas prices and energy prices we can all take. But then again, libs are nothing but communists.
By CommunistAJC
July 30, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla, Liberal Christian? Uh, Christ was not a liberal. Sorry to break your heart, or lack of one. Don’t remember Christ teaching gay marriage, abortion rights and communism. By the way, God is the only one who can save the planet. We can not put a dent in to the Earth. Go sell ALGore somewhere else.
By Dusty
July 30, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
The ID thief is up early this morning. I wonder who spends time on such tripe. Anyway, I just got here. ID THIEF @ 8:50. Wish I had a better grade of thief. This one is so disgracefully ignorant.But one can’t choose the fool for folly on a blog. Not Wooten’s anyway.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this
Duh,
I can no more provide the answer than you can.
I am happily however willing to admit that there are men and women wiser than I who can do just that!
By Abomi Nation
July 30, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Jim would you take a campaign contribution from an energy company?
Whats it going to take for you to write about the Cobb Energy theft of Cobb EMC? Does someone involved have to be named Pam Stevenson in order to get you to write about this rip-off? Maybe they need to be black. Or maybe they can only be from Atlanta. Surely you can write about corruption in your own back yard. Has Cobb Energy remodeled your house? Do you own stock in Cobb Energy?
Cobb Energy, a for-profit affiliate of Marietta-based electric co-op Cobb EMC, has lost millions but paid generous dividends and benefits to management, board members and other insiders, according to experts hired by customers suing the companies.
Cobb Energy paid out $5.1 million in dividends from 1998 through 2006 and lost $7.4 million in that period, according to the experts’ analyses, contained in affidavits filed in court Wednesday.
By Mr. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
MrsGodzilla, no proof does not mean that there was no crime committed. Are you that dumb that you think any politician is “clean”. How sad is that? I bet when Obama becomes president that the price of cocaine drops 50%, good for him!
By getalife
July 30, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Corruption and lobbying is an opportunity for a real movement by the so called “progressives” united with the wingnuts to demand making lobbying illegal and end corruption.
They should contact the reps like we the people and donate to their campaign like us. No million dollar fundraisers or bundling. A billion dollar Presidential campaign is ridiculous and insane thinking there will change until the corruption is changed.
Unfortunately, the hatred and divisions of both sides is so strong, Americans would rather have business as usual than to actually change a broken government.
By Drew
July 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Seems there are still a handful of folks here that really ought to have their own damned blog somewhere, but don’t want to do the work setting it up. Leeches.
Yawn.
By Mr. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
MrsGodzilla, no proof does not mean that there was no crime committed. Are you that dumb that you think any politician is “clean”. How sad is that? I bet when Obama becomes president that the price of cocaine drops 50%, good for him!
By Mike Hussein Smith
July 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
Jim, you sound so hopeful with your holow phrase “if the Republicans lose control.” They already have lost control. Stephens is like the old kingfish, just icing on the cake. Abomi Nation, you’ve got a great point there, blogging about Cobb Engery. I live in Decatur, but right now that surely isthe hottest game in town that the newspaper will cover. But ol’ Jim has some deep roots in Cobb and some old friends. The Stephens topic is like the old Afghanistan policy at the New York Times: Your ability to wrote the truth grew the farther away from Times Square you were.
By Paul
July 30, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this
Mrs. Godzilla 9:55
First Goldie and now you! Who are you and what have you done with Mrs. Godzilla!
I enjoyed your response about nonsingularities and qualified answers. Many opponents of the Bush administration refuse to make such an allowance - as much as anything, I think, because of not wanting to credit any good to Pres Bush. That’s what I mean about ideology clouding a view of a situation.
Never meant to imply ethnic cleansing was silly. I thought rather silly the reading I portrayed of “there aren’t many people left to kill. So killing is reduced over where it was several months ago. Less targets = less killing. Surge? What surge?” Just an over-the-top response to what I saw (the source) as an over the top argument.
Regarding Unitarians: I’d venture an hypothesis that Unitarians are more socially or politically “liberal” than evangelicals or fundamentalists, but I know of no studies to back it up. But my point was more along the lines of mainstream Christians. The other point about those who reject anything Christian was directed at other bloggers who I anticipated would use that argument as another launching pad against anything Christian - while using a Christian group to make their point.
While I’m a bit reluctant to label members of a group as “fake” - it’s pretty clear there are cynical exploiters out there. Money and power, Mrs. Godzilla - much of it always gets back to money and power.
I think McClellan got caught up in one of those rapid-fire interviews Chris Mathews is famous for. Mathews likes to ask a question then follow with “isn’t that right?” McClellan got suckered in - CM mentioned Hannity and O’Reilly; McClellan agreed. And he did apologize for linking BOR to White House talking points, but hHe did stand by his comments that there were some in the media who were sympathetic and used the ‘points’.
I understand there’s a product available at hardware stores you can pour into paint cans that turns the old paint solid so it can be disposed of in an environmentally friendly way.
By Ga Values
July 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Here’s a little of what special interest money has bought::::::::http://www.buckleyforsenate.com/saxbysscandaloussubsidies.asp
By Peter
July 30, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
Ok Paul……
“By Paul
July 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this
Peter 9:03
No-bid contracts and cost-plus contracts are governed by law. They weren’t an invention of the Bush administration.”
The WAR in Iraq was the “Invention of the Republicans in the White House,” and then they took total advantage of the opportunity to Bilk America !
Faulty Intelligence was the Excuse to do it !
No matter what you or anyone says……..
Republican Leadership = Zero Financial Responsibility !
By Bud Wiser
July 30, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Mrs Godzilla, or whatever your name is, everybody, and I mean everybody skims right over your moronic 3rd grade cut and paste crap from the DNC, who no doubt underpays you for your semi-useless skills, except maybe the govt, whose time you are probably wasting in some taxpayer paid for cubicle even as we speak.
You need to get a life, or a brain implant, or something.
It is morons like you that will vote for Hussein in the Fall, hoping he will provide greater handouts to do-nothings like yourself. It is this class and wealth envy exploited by the Dimmokrauts that forms and shapes the non-thinkers like yourself, becoming your puppet master because you have not the intellect to speak for yourself. Your cut and paste crap proves my very point there.
You people with this entitlement attitude make me sick, and I mean SICK. Whatever happened to the party of JFK “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”? I’ll tell you what, and whom.
L A W Y E R S * and *DemoKrats
The putrid bottom feeding vultures upon society, producing nothing, but taking much for it. All you have to do is turn on the television, and within minutes an ad will appear for “one call, that’s all…” or “let us get for you what you deserve”, or “———- got me this check for $400,000, and I didn’t have to do a thing…” Ambulance chasers was a common moniker for these parasites, but I think that these days, that would be too honorable a label for these leeches. Who do you think collects the lions share of these ‘awards?’
The following was sent to me in an email, attributed to Rush Limbaugh, but I do not know if that part is true. But what I do know is true is the message contained within, that expresses where I think all this is leading:
**”I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don’t criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can’t let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you’re going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.
Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there’s a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.
Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it’s not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.)
We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.
You see where this is going, don’t you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It’s just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?
However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don’t know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn’t have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm’s way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.
I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting.
’ When do we finally do something about this?’ “
Like I said, I don’t know if Limbaugh said this, but even if Obama did(a cold day in hell will come first, BTW), I would feel the same. You can bet the farm that no dimwit Democrat like Mrs G sees anything right with what I have said, but thinks that these poor people should get the money. And the soldiers? Well, she replies, they knew what they were getting into when they signed up. The really sad, maddening, yet patriotic thing about it all is that although unseen, unasked for, unappreciated or just plain ignored, is the fact that these men and women are there not only protecting Mrs G and her whining crowd of morons, but also protecting her right to be a complete a$$ any and every day she chooses…like, well, every day of her life.
By BFKaJ
July 30, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 9:19, we would agree that the leftist view of the Constitution is that it is a mutual suicide pact.
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 9:33, yes, and Senator Stevens affirms there was no quid pro quo in his deal. I don’t care what the shills say in either case, I am concerned about the underlying ethic, the subject of Jim’s essay today. To clarify my question, “ignore the shills, how do you feel about Obama’s ethic in his house purchase deal?” After you look at the pictures of the property, you realize the undeveloped lot is worthless as is. Surely there is an intelligible reason to spend $600,000 for a worthless undeveloped lot. I will conditionally accept your affirmation that the purpose was not to ensure a $300,000 benefit to Obama, but only on your explication of the alternative purpose for buying the worthless lot. Sounds a lot like the corrupt Stevens deal to me.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 30, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Bud Wiser….or should we call you InBev now?
Seems not everybody scrolls past…or there’d be no responses. Dude please try and be accurate! It affects your credibility.
Come on Bud can’t you play nice with others? You begin with slurs, insults and smears….I get that far into your post and then….
I SCROLL PAST THE REST
By Paul
July 30, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
getalife 10:17
Back on my soapbox for full public financing of elections.
Peter
Well, one can dislike the Bush Administration, or the Iraq War, but my point was, there’s a whole Federal bureaucracy governed by laws and regulations, so no matter if the administration is Democratic or Republican, the same practices will continue. If the practices are bad, and the Democratic Congress rails against them, then they should introduce legislation to change them. They haven’t.
Same is true of the “outrage” over Valerie Plame. Convictions weren’t possible under current statutes. Democratic Congress has done nothing to change the statutes to enable convictions in future cases.
Political theater is more fun for some Congressmen then actually passing laws to correct shortcomings.
By Dusty
July 30, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Thank you, Jim Wooten, for explaining that Republicans do not like illegal activity by anyone. That seems to be an “ethic” that has escaped the minds of liberals. The yah yah yah of hate bends liberals like grass in the wind. They also forget the “law” that people are considered innocent until proven guilty.
But…to wander from the subject…CommunistAJC’s report @9:42 shows exactly why I am so doubtful of Obama’s sincerity. It’s his BACKGROUND that proves the mindset and goals of this man Obama. One cannot be raised, riveted and reviewed with certain doctrines and suddently turn into something different. He hasn’t changed.
Obama has carefully and charmingly hidden his personal innate agenda because it is so strikingly different from American standards. His “change” is his escape from the ideals we have fought for and saved for so long.
Obama can act like a rainbow but his feet are buried in mud.
By Bud Wiser
July 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Once the right even smells the hint of REPARATIONS being issued by Hussein Obama, the word will spread.
It will be GAME OVER for Obama to even suggest that the concept of reparations under his administration could come to fruition. Every white or latino person in the country will show up to vote, maybe TWICE (an old Dimmokraut trick BTW) to see that this socialist never sets foot in the Oval Office.
And you know what? It is going to happen, because this supremely arrogant ba$tard can’t help himself…he truly believes he is the message, the hope, the Messiah for America. It’s going to happen.
You know it.
I know it.
It can’t be helped.
He will be true to his nature, and sicken and drive away any marginal supporters into the Republican fold, at least for this one ballot. The moronic left loons are already committed, or should be committed, I’m sure they are the same, and are still going to vote socialist anyway. They are too stupid not to.
And after the election is over, I shall be laughing my a$$ off at the leftist morons, crying in their green tea, as I head north for my annual mid-November deer hunt in northern Maine, knowing that our country is safe, for now, from the handout entitlement socialist welfare crowd, for at least a little while longer.
By Seadog
July 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this
You are so woefully misinformed - Stevens was indicted by a U.S. Justice Department whose lawyers were hand-picked for their republican and conservative credentials. Why don’t you inform yourself just a tiny little bit and look at the record of the Justice Department thus far up in Alaska concerning the VECO scandal? They haven’t lost a case yet in this sorry and sordid scandal. The chief of staff to former Governor Frank Murkowski - who is also was the junior Senator from Alaska, has pleaded guilty to multiple felonies already and is singing for the federal government. Ted Stevens’ son is waiting for his indictment to come down for oil and fishing industry deals. The FBI and U.S. Justice Department has a perfect record so far on VECO-related crimes - I’ll remember your editorial and laugh when Ted Stevens sinks further.
By Seadog
July 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
You are so woefully misinformed - Stevens was indicted by a U.S. Justice Department whose lawyers were hand-picked for their republican and conservative credentials. Why don’t you inform yourself just a tiny little bit and look at the record of the Justice Department thus far up in Alaska concerning the VECO scandal? They haven’t lost a case yet in this sorry and sordid scandal. The chief of staff to former Governor Frank Murkowski - who also was the junior Senator from Alaska, has pleaded guilty to multiple felonies already and is singing for the federal government. Ted Stevens’ son is waiting for his indictment to come down for oil and fishing industry deals. The FBI and U.S. Justice Department has a perfect record so far on VECO-related crimes - I’ll remember your editorial and laugh when Ted Stevens sinks further.
By thogwummpy
July 30, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Here’s the thing which is infuriating though…the difference in media treatment. Stevens gets splashed everywhere; while the brewing Edwards sex scandal is hush-hush. You can’t trust news sources run by people like Cynthia Tucker; editors that vomit on the concept of ethical objectivity. This why Dim Harry Reid, who took (and admitted to it!!!) as much Abramoff money as anyone and did the quid pro quo favors, had the audacity to give a speech calling the Abramoff scandal “Republican corruption”—-the media gave him a pass, and applauded his story line. It’s the double-standard in the press that’s killing this country. At some point, patriots should cast their attention upon correcting the plauge of a dishonest journalist sector.