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DEL.ICIO.USObama a flip-flopper? Shut your mouth.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
AJC cartoonist Mike Luckovich, reflecting the angst of Democrats — or at least those who dominate the primary election process — has Barack Obama standing out of a hole in the ground against the outline of the earth. The Demo donkey expresses alarm: “So where do you think you’re going?” the donkey asks. The cartoon is entitled “Journey to the Center of the Electorate.”
As usual, Mike captures the mood of the Democratic base which is, indeed, quite alarmed that Obama may be veering from la-la land, from the Planet of the Extreme, closer to the mainstream of public opinion, to, gasp, electability.
Obama took pains Tuesday in Cobb County to calm the fears of those on the fringe — rejecting claims, for example, that his views on an arbitrary withdrawal date from Iraq, and on other litmus test issues for the Left, are softening. Last week he’d said he might “refine” his views based on conversations with commanders and with facts on the ground.
When asked about that at McEachern High School, Obama said he has consistently argued that “once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in.” Is that the same as a 16-month deadline for surrender/withdrawal? Presumably, but one should not expect to pin the messiah. Obama said his position has been for a “phased withdrawal, a phased redeployment.”
Anybody who thinks he has moderated positions, he said, has not been paying attention. He rejected “this whole notion that I am shifting to the center or that I’m flip-flopping on this or that.”
“You know,” said Obama, “the people who say this apparently haven’t been listening to me.”
Ah, but they have. That’s one of the problems Obama has as he seeks to find the mainstream. The constituencies and interest groups that dominate the primary selection process, have been listening. They know the code. When Obama suggests that he might refine his position based on reality and on the country’s actual national security interests, the anti-war base freaks, pulling in others from the fringe.
The plain fact is that most of those on the left never wanted war for any reason, primarily because they saw it as a distraction, and a money diversion, from efforts to create new domestic entitlements like HillaryCare. They’ve been seething for seven years, growing more and more embittered with every troop deployment, that they are being delayed from their true mission in life by George W. Bush and the war in Iraq.
So, yes, Obama must “flip-flop” when he has taken positions, like those on Iraq and on taxes, that enabled him to sail through the nominating process, but are sure defeat in November.
And, by the way, pause today to salute Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They’ve taken Congress to 9 percent approval ratings, lowest in history. Surely the kinder and gentler George Bush will act in the national interest and allow the two of them to be photographed with him in a effort to raise their approval rating and to restore confidence in national government. It would be the post-partisan thing to do.
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By Get Real
July 9, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
The plain fact is that most of those on the left never wanted war for any reason, primarily because they saw it as a distraction, and a money diversion, from efforts to create new domestic entitlements like HillaryCare.
There you go again Wooten, spewing garbage and lies. Do you honestly believe any democrats had a notion that Bush would implement an entitlement program like HillaryCare?? You have no integrity at all, but I guess this is a good way to make a living. The distraction and money diversion of Iraq has kept us from capturing Osama bin Laden. Remember him? The person who orchestrated the acts of 9/11, whom we still haven’t caught. And the looks of it have stopped looking for. Its been proven that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11 so why are we there? There are plenty other evil dictators in the world, do you expect us to circle the globe playing cop forever? You and other Republicans would be screaming from the mountaintops if Gore had not gotten OBL in 7 years of being President.
I hope you’re able to look at yourself in the mirror in your waning years. A true journalist wouldn’t write this crap to insight ideological debate, and then just sit back and watch. You’re an embarassment.
By Saxby Screws Ga
July 9, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Jim you left our bunch of RHINO out of the 9% club. Saxby Special Interest Chambliss has certainly done his part to earn that rating.. He has been voting with the Reid/Pelosi block on important items like over ridding President Bush’s veto of the $60,000,000,000 of waste in the farm bill…
By Road Scholar
July 9, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
First, Andy must be asleep!
It’s not that the monies spent in Iraq could have gone to HillaryCare, as you put it, but how about to our crumbling infrastructure? How does both candidates expect to deal with that? This would also promote jobs and the economy.
Alternate energy? Tax breaks for those who invent, buy, install etc solar and wind products. Check out Germany’s plan and results!
The government should not provide healthcare, but it can negotiate prices based on different plan contents for the masses.
By Tom Ga Hunter
July 9, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
Can’t wait for this election is over,, only bad & worse choices…Why don’t we have a good choice to vote for.
By Whatever
July 9, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
Wooten’s a chump!
By TW
July 9, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.) Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….
McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Wooten, as always, writes from his own rather limited perspective. I suspect he keeps his left eye closed so he can only see right.
Steve Benen of The Carpetbagger report writes:
“In fact, one of the great ironies of the last couple of weeks is that there’s been hysterical cries about Obama “moving to the middle” without him really moving much at all. In some ways, this is actually the best of all possible worlds — voters (most of whom consider themselves moderates) are being told that Obama is angering liberals by campaigning as a centrist, while at the same time, Obama is just about as progressive as he was before. In this sense, Obama is getting credit for moderation without really having to moderate. It’s disappointing to read a sloppy attack like Herbert’s, but in the big picture, maybe that’s a good thing for voters who think Obama’s “too liberal” to hear.”
Conservative Andrew Sullivan writes:
“I’m relieved that he has shifted exactly as I hoped he would: to a pragmatic commitment to a withdrawal strategy that does not jeopardize the fragile and reversible gains of the last year or so. I don’t see this as a U-turn, any more than I regard my own attempt to understand the situation in Iraq as best I can and to remain open to good, as well as bad, developments as some kind of flaw. Very few people foresaw the extent of the gains we have made this past year, in part because a new counter-insurgency had the luck to coincide with some real shifts among Sunni tribes and the Sadrite opposition. But facts change. Shouldn’t tactical policy respond? I would never have felt that Obama would be a good president if I felt he’d stick to a position on an issue irrespective of empirical data. As long as the goal is total withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible, and the man doing it has the vital characteristic of having opposed the war in the first place, I’m fine with pragmatism. Any conservative should be.”
Perhaps Wooten should more carefully review the Rasmussen poll and that 9% congressional approval number….it isn’t true
DANIEL LIBIT at Politico in his piece titled “Single digit approval? Not exactly” writes;
““A new national survey out today puts congressional approval in the single digits, at 9 percent,” Putnam told reporters gathered for a pen-and-paper session. “At the rate we are going now, gas prices and congressional approval should cross paths any day now.”
The only catch: The news wasn’t exactly the news….
Congressional approval ratings are low and getting lower, but the Rasmussen Reports poll numbers that had Drudge breaking, Freedom’s Watch blasting and Putnam bludgeoning Tuesday weren’t really congressional approval ratings, even if Rasmussen’s own headline described them as such.
Rasmussen didn’t ask respondents whether they approved or disapproved of Congress; it asked respondents to rank Congress’ job performance as excellent, good, fair or poor.”
Link to the entire article here
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
* BRAVO TW*
By Get Real
July 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Nice work TW. I’d like to see how Republicans on here defend that. They probably won’t, just will say how bad Obama is.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. There are good flip-floppers and there are bad flip-floppers. The bad ones are those who move from an intelligent conservative position to a “populist” stand, extolling the virtues of big government for example. The good flip-floppers are those who come to realize the foolishness of a leftist perspective, and embrace a conservative view. That is the way I look at neo-conservatives. Perhaps it is time to question -seriously – whether Obama is now repudiating his prior positions.
I had no trouble hearing and understanding his view on Iraq just a couple of months ago, when a time table for withdrawal was independent of success or failure, of military agreement, or of political “progress” in Iraq. There is no question that he now totally rejects his prior “unconditional surrender” perspective. I do not criticize those who learn from past mistakes. If he is half as smart as his handlers claim he is, he will be fully embracing the Bush Iraq policy generally, and the McCain surge specifically, within mere weeks.
I had no trouble hearing and understanding his view that NAFTA was a singular mistake of the Clinton administration, and that he would wish to reopen negotiations – a position reasonably opposed by our allies. I know that Obama’s intellectual limitations on matters economic are indistinguishable from those of my reluctantly-embraced candidate, Mr. McCain. Obama’s more recent elucidations on the virtues of free trade are obviously inconsistent with his primary season pandering to the flat-earth mugwumps in his party. I do not criticize those who learn from past mistakes. If he is half as smart as his handlers claim he is, he will be fully embracing the republican perspective on trade generally. Funny, it used to be that free trade was bi-partisan; perhaps we can credit Obama with learning the Reaganesque worldview, that a rising tide lifts all boats. Certainly any dispassionate observer understands that the only Clintonian economic initiative calculated to have a beneficial effect in the 1990s was NAFTA, and perhaps Obama is smart enough to learn from history.
I had no trouble interpreting Obama’s declared hostility in principle to indemnification for telecommunication companies that cooperated with government employees engaged in the antiterrorist work. When he voted a couple of weeks ago to support President Bush’s request for legislation to so-indemnify those who cooperate with anti-terrorist work, he proved his capacity to overcome the democrats 9/10 mentality. I do not criticize those who learn from past mistakes. If he is half as smart as his handlers claim he is, he will be fully embracing the Bush anti-terrorist policy generally, and rejecting the Clintonian “prosecute them only after they commit crimes” mentality.
I had no trouble interpreting Obama’s vote against Chief Justice Roberts, in the senate roll call. All rational people appreciate the genius of the Chief Justice. Unpopular cases such as the Kelo “condemnation for private use”, Bomedianne “habeas corpus for illegal combatants”, and the child rapist case prove the virtues of conservative justices over their less rational leftist counterparts in the majority. Obama – no fool – joined the condemnation of the lunatic “child rapist” ruling, and perhaps he is now ready to acknowledge his error in opposing Chief Justice Roberts. He is only a small step away from joining John McCain’s pledge to appoint only conservative justices.
The only problem facing America is cynicism. I now see hope in Obama, where there was none before.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 9:05, where did you ever get the idea that Andrew Sullivan is/was a conservative? You must be kidding. Joe Biden is more conservative than Andrew Sullivan.
By Cotton Gin Rummy
July 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
I knew I could get Wooten to cry flip flop, last election’s mantra, and now an obsolete and impotent campaign slogan.
Flip Flop was the sound of fraudulently programmed Diebold machine’s miscounts and bush’s second term. Flip Flop was the sound of swiftboats, and american highways crumbling.
Flip Flop was the sound of Katrina Victims treading water (swiftboatless?), and conservative mercenaries firing into Katrina refugees on that damnable bridge to protect the upscale shopping districts. (where’s the journalistic scrupulosity on that incident? You really think people are that stupid, dont you?)
Flip Flop was the sound of Cheney’s ingenious geo-political strategy.
So, all I had to do was bait Wootie and the blowfish. With one post, people. One. Post.
What a fall guy. What a maroon.
Wootie and the blowfish. I love it.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Dear GetReal @ 9:11, guess my first paragraph destroyed your surmise, didn’t it?
By James Winslo
July 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this
Obama is a Trojan Donkey !
By Copyleft
July 9, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Well, it’s certainly useful to compare Obama’s stand on the issues to that bastion of consistency and steadfast determination, the Republican’s man of the year, John…
John…
Hey, WHAT was your guy’s name again? You know, the guy you never talk about? Yeah, the support for him is HUGE. Simply HUGE.
By Peter
July 9, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
Hey Whooten where is Bin Ladden ?
Talk about the Ultimate Flip Flop……..
How about BUSH attacking another country after 911, and letting Bin Ladden go FREE…..
Where did he learn to be a flip flopper………. from his dad………. another flip flopper….
“RAED MY LIPS I WON’T RAISE TAXES”
HA HA HA………… and McCain………
WOW here is a guy who changes with the seasons!
By Peter
July 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
McCain dumped his wife for his Mistress…….
Is there a BIGGER Flip Flop than that Jim ?
By lava
July 9, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
TW u go boy!!!Wooten’s historian JBMLAW is still asleep at the club so we wont hear a reply any time soon. But good job of digging an cleaning up the senile veterans’ long pile of trash………and contrasting that with the imaginary flip-flops of President Obama.
By Walking Tall
July 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
After yesterday’s hate fest by the pathetic left here, I hope there will be more to come this week. It’s great showing everyone what the pathetic modern left is made up of. Keep it up folks!
Here’s a bet: if/when Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear program towards the end of this year, and Iran retaliates setting off a massive war in which the US will be forced into, the Democrats will blame Bush. Yep, those same Democrats who say we should sit back and do nothing like we are doing right now. If, on the other hand, Iran strikes first instead, and that’s a possibility too, these same Democrats will still say it’s Bush’s fault for antagonizing them and supporting the “Zionist” regime, because as we all know, many Democrats hate Israel, just like their moron constituents that infest this blog. Never mind that everyone ignored Iran’s promise of Israel’s time being limited on this planet and will be wiped off the map.
Who cares about Obamania. He’s nothing but a Neocomm. Any group of mindless sheep that faint at the very sight of this man that they follow has absolutely zero for me to listen to or pay attention to.
McCain 2008
Obama’s lack of understanding exposed again
Gee, ya THINK??? That’s what you get when the media picks one of the candidates to run for President and the idiot non-thinkers (Democrats and Liberals) follow.
By jasper
July 9, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Obama can flip flop like a fish out of water, because that’s just what he is when it comes to courting the independent vote. We are indepedents because we don’t want to be affiliated with the quagmire that is our two-party system. And we also want to be independent from our Federal goverment, i.e. self reliant.
Any candidate running on the platform of more taxation and more government programs has precluded himself from the independent vote. McCain is no prize either, but he has at least some record of being against pork spending. That’s worth 4 years to see if he can shrink the monster. If he doesn’t, then Obama will have 4 more years of demagoguery under his belt and we can all develop a taste for government cheese.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
By BFKaJ July 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 9:05, where did you ever get the idea that Andrew Sullivan is/was a conservative? You must be kidding. Joe Biden is more conservative than Andrew Sullivan.
Dear BFKaJ
Why in heavens name would I waste my time kidding YOU?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with his work?
The Conservative Soul: How We Lost It, How to Get It Back (HarperCollins, 2006)
I assume the fact that he is openly gay would not be the reason you question his conservative bona fides.
There are some conservatives - hold on to something, you may consider this blasphemy - that are not extreme radical righties.
You are familiar with the Log Cabin Republicans and the Green Elephants are you not?
There is a rather broad spectrum to conservatism, just as there is to liberalism.
By Redneck Convert
July 9, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Well, daggummit! No sooner do we beat up on the pointy-headed libruls for wanting a deadline for getting out of Iraq than them Iraqis want a deadline too. I guess we’ll have to fight the Iraqis as well as the libruls just to get to stay there 100 years or so. Its hard enough to fight the terrists. Now we got to fight the people we are suppose to be pertecking. You can’t even have a good war these days without somebody wanting to mess it up.
Anyhow, looks like we need another army in Iraq to perteck us from the Sunnys and the Sh*ts in the guvment while we are fighting the terrists.
I see old man McCain and this Obama will be making their convention speeches on NFL football nites when every good redneck will be watching football. Nobody will be watching those two, so McCain will win on account of nobody will see him stumbling over reading his speech against that lime green background. Even God is a NFL fan.
Have a good day everybody and pray them Iraqis don’t go to war to try to kick us out. And after all we done for them.
By Get Real
July 9, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
BFKaJ, not really. Obama has ALWAYS contended that we must be as careful getting into Iraq as we were careless getting in. He’s said that ad nauseum, and even said so in his speech announcing he would run for President. Thats not a flip flop. As I plan to vote for Obama, I do believe that he has flip flopped on FISA. Saying he would filibuster it, and now will let the bill pass. So I believe in my case voting for him is not necessarily drinking the kool-aid. Theres only so much a President can do, the problem with that is Bush has done ‘so much’ for corporations and big business to the detriment of the American citizenry. At this point, anyone that believes Republicans have earned the right to remain in power are fooling themselves. Obama ain’t perfect, but he’s far better than McCain would be in office.
By Cotton Gin Rummy
July 9, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Seriously, the Left’s poll pleasing withdrawal slogan served them well. BUT, I have copiously blogged about how we can never leave Iraq, and I knew that a Democratic candidate would have to modify any withdrawal terms.
We cant leave Iraq ever. It’s obvious. Why would we? We’ll need 100K troops there for 100 years, and not even 100 surrender monkeys campaigning in 100 states for 100 years can change that.
So, McCain has finally decided he’s against his own immigration bill that he introduced, and Obama knows that he has to phase a withdrawal on a timetable that is like baseball’s unending extra innings.
Obama 08: He listens. He acts. We benefit.
McCain 08: He listens. He misunderstands. He asks U to repeat the question.
One thing is certain. Obama/Hillary 08. The way this is shaping up, Obama cant win without Hillary, but the dream ticket will trounce McCain.
thats4sure, that’s4dangsure.
By Janine
July 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Ok, Mr. Wooten…*It’s time to admit and address exactly why so many Americans are attracted to this man….Obama…who has risen to the top and attained STAR STATUS, seemingly without credentials, without experience, without significant contributions,without many of the attributes that are associated with successful candidates..[although I realize there are others in history who have attained the presidency without much more and actually done a pretty good job on many fronts.]
Got any ideas???
By Peter
July 9, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
WOW Jim and all the Rights wingers are SCARED !
GOP worries spilled into the open in June when McCain’s prime-time speech was criticized for its poor visuals and negative message, compared with Sen. Barack Obama’s address before a raucous crowd in St. Paul, Minnesota, when he proclaimed that he had secured the Democratic nomination for president.
A green backdrop for McCain was especially targeted for derision.
“Almost every Republican I’ve talked to is alarmed that the McCain campaign doesn’t seem up to the task of electing John McCain,” conservative New York Times columnist William Kristol later wrote.
Here you have it JIM………..you better get the spam machine going !
By zeke
July 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Obama is just following his heroes, Lenin, Mao, Fidel, Adolf, Benito and Hulio!! Lie to the masses and let them believe you are all for them, then destroy them all after they put you in power! Wake up voters! These socialist only want to control your lives to their benefit!!
By zeke
July 9, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this
Obama is just following his heroes, Lenin, Mao, Fidel, Adolf, Benito and Hugo!! Lie to the masses and let them believe you are all for them, then destroy them all after they put you in power! Wake up voters! These socialist only want to control your lives to their benefit!!
By The good side
July 9, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Good Morning All,
I am voting for TW.
I want MR. Wooten fired so writing weak columns every day.
Also if any conservative/pretending to be a christain/masqrading as an American writes on this blog about Mr. Obama flip flopping after reading the information TW just drop on us we will deport you to ANWAR!
By Peter
July 9, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
Here is the REAL FLIP FLOPPER JIM………
“He’s started to compromise his own brand … in this year when the Republican brand is so damaged, having a nominee like McCain with a maverick reputation is absolutely crucial. And to the extent that he loses that reputation, is seen as a cookie-cutter Republican, just a George Bush Republican, then his campaign is in trouble and his party’s in trouble,” said Stu Rothenberg of The Rothenberg Report.
McCain was the anti-Republican, the guy who broke with party orthodoxy — opposing President Bush’s tax cuts, opposing offshore drilling and bucking the party line on immigration reform.
Now he’s mouthing standard Republican talking points on all of these issues — agreeing on the president’s tax cuts, supporting offshore drilling and touting his border-focused immigration plan.
Gee Jim they are writing today about McCain being a Flip Flopper…….go read the news JIM !
By Fred Flintstone
July 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
At the same time, Bush has often said he would go along with the Iraqi government’s wishes. “It’s their government’s choice,” Bush said in May 2007. “If they were to say, ‘Leave,’ we would leave.”
By South GA Man
July 9, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Where is jbmlaw? I miss his blogging. Will he be back?
By ron
July 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Good morning all,Candidates filp flop to gain votes.They don’t have positions,they have wind socks.
Janine,perhaps this will explain Obama’s popularity.In the great septic tank of life,the big chunks have a tendency to rise to the top.
McCain can have more filip flops than Obama.He’s been around a lot longer.
Iraq’s number one wants us to flip flop along out of Iraq.We now move to Afghanistan while the bad guys filter back into Iraq.
To clarify Obama’s position on the military,we need a picture of him riding in a tank,wearing a helmet with the chin strap undone.
Iran’s playing war games.It used to be saber rattling,now it’s missle munching.
Redneck,How’s the bride?
By Dusty
July 9, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this
Oh Jim Wooten,
Great commentary this morning. You have kept your powder dry and now are blasting away at the fawning and the foolish. It is a sight worth beholding!
And jbmlaw is the best flipflop explainer that I have read in a long time. But watch it, jbm. You are making Obama look too good.
Zeke could be right. Obama may be a Trojan horse who will erupt after he is elected and slay us with his mighty socialistic sword. Bad thought there!!
Anyway I am sticking with the honest, the honorable, the straight forward and the experienced. McCain 2008
I won’t be around much today. Keep the enlightenment fires BURNING!!!
By The good side
July 9, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
I wonder what Mr.McClain is going to say now that Iraq wants to give us a timetable to exit the country.
We are dummies! We have liberate the Iraqis and now they want to kick the US out quickly. I bet they will not pay back the debt they owe us. Mr. Wooten can you write about that!
By the way we cannot talk about Mr. McClain many flip-flops because he is a decorated war veteran!
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
Dear Lava @ 9:28, my first paragraph destroyed TW’s issue. There are good “flip-floppers” and there are bad “flip-floppers.” Both McCain and Obama are repudiating their prior leftist views, so that makes both “good.” I celebrate the prodigals, who realize the superiority of the conservative ideology. And I can do that in my sleep.
By Kilroy
July 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Since the Hilliary-ites are voting McCain to spite Obama, I’m voting Nader to spite them both. If the Nader-ites need to spite someone they can always vote for Obama. The…circle…of political life!
By jasper
July 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this
Janine - I got your ideas hanging.
The mainstream media is 95% liberal and we live in a pop culture. If the voting age were 10, we’d be talking about the pink states for Hannah Montana. Wouldn’t you love to see the Obama/Montana debate. They could wear costumes and it would be so cute. You college kids would really be torn.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
Dear Mrs. Godzilla @ 9:38, I agree that homosexuality is not a bar to effective conservative advocacy – indeed, our homosexual brethren have greater need for protection from government overreach than do those with traditional sexual appetites. No, my dispute with Mr. Sullivan is purely ideological, that his form of “conservatism” has little to do with reining in government excess or promoting freedom from government. He endorsed destruction of the Islamists only until around the first of October, 2001 – not exactly a stalwart. The mere fact that one proclaims himself a “conservative” does not mean he is one, and of course I am the only one competent to judge.
By El Kabong
July 9, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
It was 2 generations ago that Chairman Mao held up one finger, then two, when he asked Nixon how many generations of peace there’d be between China and the West.
Mao was being dramatic because only a generation before, he had to face down a nuclear attack proposal from MacArthur, for which Mac was fired.
Mao at least knew we weren’t mad men, yet he didn’t believe in lasting peace.
Thus Iraq’s Malaki must posit how many generations of Iraqis will live in peace if US troops leave, as he insists we must.
Malaki is being dramatic because it’s politically expedient for him to posture withdrawal. After all, there are sunnis, shias, and kurds listening to every word he sez. Political Power in Iraq would be squandered by kissing uncle sam’s boots (on the ground, even).
However, everybody in the whole wide world, except the shia, sunnis, and kurds know that the US can never leave. Only a fool would let the fumes vent naturally in that gas tank. One spark and………
So expect real hostility from the Iraq President as we near the election and the whole world watches. We can withdraw 30K troops in a photo-op appeasement to malaki, and redeploy them in Afghanistan and buy some time.
But eventually, if they want to stay in power, the sunni and shia tribal leaders will become more forceful in demanding US troop withdrawals.
Thus I’m saying that Iraq will be a war zone for 100 years. Lets invade another country that didn’t do 911, this one being so much fun and all. I think we have to know just how many surrender monkeys there are in this country, and the only way to flush them out is to invade Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan.
Support the troops. Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree. Sport a bumper sticker. Go shopping. rename your fries.
Obama 08: It’s about change, and isn’t it about time?
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
The Good Side
According to the Washington Post
“On Tuesday, McCain’s campaign declined to respond directly to the question of whether he now supports the idea of setting a date for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country.
Speaking on MSNBC Tuesday morning, McCain said that “The fact is that we and the Iraqis will deal in what is in the national security interests of both countries. And there is no reason to assume that the Iraqis aren’t going to act in what they perceive as their national interest. I believe we will enact ours and I believe we will all come home.”
By aggressively witty
July 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this
Jim Wooten lost all credibilty when he stated Obama “sailed through the nomination process” Not sure what democratic nomination contest Jim was watching but “sail” is not the word that would describe such a hotly contested race.
By itsme
July 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
What do you expect? He’s a POLITICIAN, trying to get ELECTED.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
Dear South GA Man @ 9:59, I am flattered, thanks. I changed my blog handle. I found too many of our leftist friends were focused on the credentials of the arguer rather than the substance of the argument. I desire intelligent exchange such as we derive from friends Southern Democrat and Shar and jm and Midsouth Philosopher, not a debate on whose credentials are bigger than whose. I briefly changed my name to something like “Neocon Chimpy Halliburton Warmonger” but I found that by thus eliminating all of the leftist epithets nobody was willing to engage my arguments. Our friend Shar then suggested the Blogger Formerly Known as Jbmlaw, thus the new contraction. I am still an attorney licensed in three states - nothing has changed in my life except my online name.
By LP
July 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
TW, you forgot the honored war hero’s flip flop when it comes to efforts to expand the GI Bill. He claims that “we” passed the bill, but not only did McCain (and Bush) openly criticize the bill and fear it might “hurt the military,” but he also failed to show up to vote for it — something that all Democrats (including his equally busy competition for the WH) and most Republicans managed to do.
By Abomi Nation
July 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
How can Obama be a flip flopper?
For the past six months the folks on the right have been claiming that the only thing Obama has talked about is change. Change , change change. No substance, no stance on the issues, just change.
Now all of the sudden Obama has flip-flopped on numerous issues? How is that possible?
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Conservatism is dead. Stalwart GOP stall wart Sen. Craig sounded taps, with his flag at halfmast.
Obama 08: He doesn’t tap dance around issues. He the real straight talker.
McCain 08: Flippity Floppity Floo!
By Pat
July 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
I am a conservative, and I will be holding my nose while voting for McCain. I shudder to think of the economy if Obama is elected. Higher taxes on the upper incomes mean fewer jobs and a slower economy. Bureaucratic red tape is never a good thing, so why do we need socialized health care. I personally don’t want to wait 3-6 months if I need an operation. I’ll end my rant here, but you Obamaniacs need to wake up and realize your candidate is a nightmare waiting to happen.
NO Experience.
NO Substance.
NOBama ‘08.
http://www.cafepress.com/NObamaforPres
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
For all who are confused by the Iraqi call for a “timetable,” the real story is less sexy, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121555940908737365.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
Short answer - mostly for domestic consumption in Iraq.
By lava
July 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
my first paragraph destroyed,destroyed in ur sleep,i know, BFKaJ enjoy ur dreams.
By rene
July 9, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Dear Whatever who posted at 9:02,
You dare call Mr. Wooten a “chump”. “Chump”? What’re you, boxing trainer in his ’80s or something? Shop steward of Local # 17 (Georgia Chapter), AFTRA, Council of Retired Actors who Played Pimps on ’70s Cop Shows (CRPPP7TC, Local 17, AFTRA, AFL-CIO)?
Chump?
What a Maroon!
By Lily Toad
July 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Do you think maybe the reason Congress is getting such a low approval rating is because they are rolling over for the Bush administration, such as their approval of the FISA bill with retroactive immunity? And their continual funding of the war? When Congress got a Democratic majority, it was hoped that things would change, but nothing has. Start acting like Democrats and your ratings will rise!
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Dear Dusty @ 10:09, I confess my hidden agenda. I think my argument validates Jim’s morning thesis, and yet makes the leftists queasy with the obvious validity of its analysis. They realize that they are now faced with voting for one who proclaims the virtue of conservative positions while generally voting leftist vs one who votes conservative most of the time while proclaiming the virtue of leftism. Since leftism is a “show” ideology, with no real intellectual foundation, the leftists are truly torn.
By lava
July 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
I am still a failed attorney licensed in three states wow
By Skeptic Tank
July 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
“(O)ne should not expect to pin the messiah.”
Oh, please, Mr. Wooten. After 5 years of questioning Bush as to his post-“mission accomplished” strategy, the most we’ve gotten out of the man was “stay the course”. If pinning a candidate or even a President is so overwhelmingly important to you, why oh why didn’t you apply the same criteria to a Republican?
You say Obama is the newly-anointed messiah. I say George W. is the old-guard pariah.
By Janine
July 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
OK Jasper …don’t know exactly what ” I got your ideas hanging.” means, but the media thing makes sense. Another thought…. Seems like people are just plain sick and tired of being sick and tired of Bush,his buddies , and their handling [or mishandling], and are ready to grasp anything or anybody who offers something different…with or without credentials and/or substance! Pitiful, isn’t it????
By lava
July 9, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
So the Iraqis want a timetable to withdraw US troops.Sounds like a political gift to Obama to me.They have more sense than Mccain who wants 100 years.Interesting!Mcacain’s anwer will be to ask for the 1st draw down in 2050 then the next in 2055 and so on…what a demented dummy……….
By Truthifier
July 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Jim, you’re really getting tiresome. Another day, another rant against Democrats. You couldn’t even resist making a dig at Hillary Clinton who has been out of the race for weeks now. Try spicing up your routine a bit.
By Roc
July 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
WHY IS IT THAT OUR POLITICIANS CAN’T EVER CHANGE THEIR MIND WITHOUT BEING A “FLIP-FLOPPER”? I WISH OUR MENTALLY-CHALLENGED PRESIDENT HAD THE SENSE TO ADMIT THAT HE WAS OFF THE MARK AND DIDN’T GO INTO IRAQ. THE SIGN OF A TRUE LEADER IS ONE THAT’S WILLING TO STAND UP AND SAY THINGS CHANGED, SO I RESPONDED BY SHIFTING MY POSITION. HECK - WE CAN CHANGE OUR MIND 6 TIMES ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT CHICKEN OR STEAK FOR DINNER, BUT WE DON’T EXPECT OUR LEADERS TO CHANGE THEIR STRATEGY ON ISSUES AS COMPLEX AS IRAQ AND AN ENERGY POLICY WHEN CONDITIONS CHANGE. LET’S NOT BE RETARDS HERE!!!
LET’S FOCUS ON WHETHER WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. LET’S FOCUS ON WHO HAS THE JUDGEMENT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE HEADED DOWN THE WRONG PATH AND THE WILLINGNESS TO HIT US WITH THE PAINFUL TRUTH AND SEND US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE CAN’T SUPPORT A CHUMP THAT BELIEVES IN A GAS TAX HOLIDAY THAT WILL DECIMATE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION, INCREASE CONSUMPTION OF GAS AND, THUS, INCREASE GAS PRICES (SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND).
DON’T LET THE MEDIA PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES PEOPLE AND MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE-HILL. IS IT THE BEST PLAN OF ACTION TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ AND “REFINE” YOUR WITHDRAWAL PLAN? YES!!! CAN YOU SET A GOAL OF GETTING US OUT WITHIN 2 YEARS AND STILL “REFINE” YOUR PLAN? YES!!! THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH WORKING TOWARDS YOUR GOAL OF WITHDRAWAL, BUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND. ITS WHAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD DO.
THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS ARE THE REPUBLICANS EVEN WORKING TOWARDS GETTING OUR TROOPS HOME? NO.
GO OBAMA IN ‘08!!!
BY THE WAY, IS OBAMA DIFFERENT FROM BUSH? YES. THERE’S YOUR CHANGE SILLY REPUBLICANS. PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT EXPERIENCE, BUT MCCAIN HAS HAD SEVERAL YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND NOT DONE ONE THING TO KEEP US OUT OF THIS RUT THAT THE COUNTRY IS IN NOW. SHOW ME WHERE HE ACTUALLY WENT ON RECORD AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR. HE SUPPORTS THE BUSH TAX CUTS NOW. HE’S AGAINST GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND SUPPORTED A BANKRUPTCY REFORM BILL THAT’S PUNISHING THE EVERYDAY CITIZEN. NOT TO MENTION THE GAS TAX GIMMICK AND OFFSHORE DRILLING (THAT WILL PRODUCE MORE OIL FOR CHINA AND INDIA, NOT THE U.S.). IF THIS IS WHAT EXPERIENCE GETS US, YOU CAN HAVE IT!!!
By Lefty
July 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
“Get Real” is a typical left leaning liberal. He has his opinions and don’t want to hear yours. Typical.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Dear James @ 9:10, “Obama is a Trojan Donkey !” Better a Trojan Donkey than a Donkey Trojan.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 11:07 AM | Link to this
Dear lava @ 10:45, “my first paragraph destroyed,destroyed in ur sleep,i know, BFKaJ enjoy ur dreams.” My affirmation applies only to the sentient beings in our audience. As to your mindless 10:47, it just eats you up that the intelligent people stand in opposition to your views, doesn’t it? That’s the compassionate reason I changed my blog handle, to not rub it in with every post.
By ###
July 9, 2008 11:09 AM | Link to this
Lily Toad at 10:47 you hit the nail on the head. I spend a lot of time in Washington talking with political types from both parties and can tell you that most of the posters on this site have absolutely no idea what they are talking about when they pontificate about the state of the nation’s government.
By Lung Dong
July 9, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
OOoooo Abomi Nation
Yu A cagey muddafu—a!
I love it!
By DebbieDoRight
July 9, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Any group of mindless sheep that faint at the very sight of this man that they follow has absolutely zero for me to listen to or pay attention to.
Wow!! I never thought I’d see the day that you Repuglicans FINALLY admitted that to yourselves about Dumbya!!! I’m so proud of you!!! Remember, admitting the problem is the first step! Keep up the good work!!
By lava
July 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
you up that the intelligent people stand in opposition to your views, doesn’t it? do u count urself,seeing u are in the same company as myself,as being intelligent? What do u do for a living now????
By Whatever
July 9, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
rene @ 10:45, I called Wooten a chump because thats what he is. A chump! Would you rather me call him a republican hack who doesn’t have the scrupples to call out his own party when they’ve run the government so poorly? You’re probably older than me, w less education. But since I don’t know you, I won’t assume. You should do the same. And it’s ‘moron’ not maroon. Thats a color.
By Just Nasty and Mean
July 9, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
G’Mornin Jim, et al.
As yourself…Why is Obama modifying his positions?
Why has he dissed (“I could no more disown Rev. Wright…”)his former pastor?
Why is he modifying his 16 month Iraqi withdrawal commitment?
Why is he Changing his positions on a dozen or more issues since the end of the primary (after he limped across the finish line with a long string of defeats)?
It is because he is too liberal to get elected. His record is—- pure and simple—-TAX AND SPEND but he JUST CAN”T SAY IT.
Obama stands next in a long line of democratic candidates—-Humphrey, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton (who would have never been elected without Ross Perot), Gore, and Kerry that think putting Americans on the dole and ultimately obligated to the government is the way to perennial power for the democrats.
Obama’s flopping because history proves he is unelectable as a liberal.
He HAS to change his positions or he’ll be the next on the ash heap of oblivion the rest of the democrat candidates end up.
By DebbieDoRight
July 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
Dear SpellCheck: Don’t know if anyone else caught on to the Craig/Half Mast dig; but I’m gonna use it on this conservative right wing blog (other than this one), that I like to go on every now and then to harass the repugs!! (they probably won’t get it). Thanks for the great line I’m about to steal!!!
By Miss Congeniality
July 9, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Oh BFKaJ,
you have made me laugh again. “Freedom from government” a conservative ideal?
Are you mad? Certainly you don’t mean the current conservative agenda? I would consider the infringement on our civil liberties, granted to us by the Bill of Rights as counter to this ideal.
The Bill of Rights, as I am sure you know as a lawyer, was granted to us to protect citizend from government intervention. However, the current administration has done all they can to take these away. Consider the 4th Amendement right to privacy. Warrentless Wire-taps are government intervention, are they not?
Can you show me one example of the current “conservative” administration endorsing the “freedom from government” ideal? I’ll warrant you cannot.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Hey Just Nasty and mean….
Please back up the following:
Why is he modifying his 16 month Iraqi withdrawal commitment? SHOW US THE MONEY QUOTE ON THIS ONE - LET’S SEE THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THEN AND NOW SHALL WE
Why is he Changing his positions on a dozen or more issues since the end of the primary LIST THE OVER TWELVE
If you cannot do this perhaps you should add an adjective to your moniker….
By Get Real
July 9, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
To Lefty @ 11:02, I’m an independent who vote for Kerry AND Isaakson in 2004. Neither one of those worked out. Whose opinions don’t I want to hear? I’ll listen and apply any reasonable, well- thought argument. In your case, if that means voting for McCain I’ll pass. His time passed in 2000, and he actually would’ve made a better President than Bush in hindsight, although thats not saying too much. If you look at my post @ 9:39 you’ll see i’m voting for Obama, but not with great fanfare.
You Republicans care so much about the 2nd Amendment, but are willing to let the 4th amendment go by the wayside. I thought you all preferred small government, and no one imposing on your private lives. Doesn’t that include the government wiretapping your phones, and looking at all your emails? Get your facts straight “Lefty”
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
News that the Gloom and Doom will never tell you:
KABUL, Afghanistan — A U.S. Marines commander said Wednesday his troops have killed 400 insurgents in southern Afghanistan since late April. Col. Peter Petronzio, the commander of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, said the figure came from the governor of the southern Helmand province where his troops have been deployed since late April. Some 2,200 U.S. Marines moved into the town of Garmser in Helmand province to clean the area of insurgents.
News that the Doom and Gloom will tell you:
Worried about increasing insurgent attacks in Afghanistan, the U.S. military says it is sending extra air power there by shifting an aircraft carrier away from the Iraq war.-Urinal/DNC
So now we start the same cycle of BS liberal propaganda that we have just finished enduring in Iraq for the last 5 years, a fresh new enemy for the pinkos to support.
“Enjoy” it while you can, for soon enough, despite the screams of terror from the candy as-ses, the U.S. Armed Forces will wrap this up before you know it.
~~~~~
News that thee Gloom and Doom will tell you:
Iraq’s national security adviser said Tuesday that his government would not sign an agreement governing the future role of U.S. troops in Iraq unless it includes a timetable for their withdrawal. The statement was the strongest demand yet by a senior Iraqi official for the two governments to set specific dates for the departure of U.S. forces. Speaking to reporters in the holy Shiite city of Najaf, National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said his government was “impatiently waiting” for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops. President Bush has said he opposes a timeline.
And then what the guy really said:
After that, the country’s security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.
And what it really all means:
Mr. Maliki’s comments were also designed for domestic Iraqi political consumption – another sign of that country’s robust democratic debate. With elections scheduled for the autumn, Mr. Maliki wants to show he’s nobody’s pawn, especially not America’s. The Sadrists continue to play the nationalist card, even as they are themselves pawns of Iran. The rise of Iraqi nationalism is inevitable and largely welcome as a unifying national force. Remember all of those who said an Iraqi Shiite government would merely be a tool of Iran?
So why does the Urinal only report the negative stuff?
~~~~~
The next time the president goes to war, Congress should be consulted and vote on whether it agrees, according to a bipartisan study group chaired by former Secretaries of State James Baker III and Warren Christopher.-Urinal/PMS
Uh-huh:
“Iraq Resolution” and “Iraq War Resolution” are popular names for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] a joint resolution (i.e. a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.
Since all the libs have abandoned their votes and the troops since then, I guess they think this^^ doesn’t exist anymore.
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The pot calls the kettle a race baiter:
That tally of public foibles, by the way, doesn’t even touch on Jones’ divisive racial politics, which run counter to everything Obama stands for, blah, blah, blah. Jones plays the race card at every sign of opposition, insisting that criticism of him derives from an unfair double standard that denigrates powerful black men, blah, blah.-Queen Pinko, Urinal/DNC
Aahhh, yes, thee “evil” race card.
So I guess we won’t be seeing any Obambi campaign brochures with Queen Pinko on the cover.
~~~~~~
“Well, I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I’ve been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.” On The View Obambi likewise announced, “First of all, I don’t want higher taxes, I have to pay taxes, and it’s no fun. You know I think sometimes there’s this presumption that Democrats, we just love taxing people. No, I would prefer to keep taxes as low as possible.”
That sounds fairly promising. But the reality is different and McCain will need to bolster his communications effort to make sure voters understand that Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times and specifically to raise income taxes on those making as little as $31,850.
“Change” of positions you can count on! Er, or not count on, uh, I think.
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Aahhh, yes, “Unity:”
Clinton donors and campaign officials say they remain surprised — and, among some, offended — that Obama has refused to ask his entire list of donors, more than 1.5 million people, to send $5, $10 or more to chip away at Clinton’s debt. (Obama officials said they did not want to distract their donors for the main task at hand, raising money to defeat McCain.)
“The Obama effort hasn’t yielded much, but we hope it will increase,” said Alan Patricof, a top Clinton fund-raiser and family friend.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 11:35 AM | Link to this
Dear lava @ 11:20, I see I have been punked. Well done.
By Nick in Virginia
July 9, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Hey TW, you forgot one thing.
In 2000, at a fund-raising picnic, McCain put mustard and relish on his hotdog.
In 2004, at a similar picnic, McCain put ketchup on his hotdog.
Horrifying.
By Whatever
July 9, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this
Nasty and Mean, isn’t cutting taxes and increased spending about the same thing as you Obama is? It creates inflation, job loss, and forces the government to cut other programs. Reducing taxes don’t solve all the problems, look at the one we’re in now.
Basic kitchen table economics: You can’t spend more money than you make.
Someone tell this to Bush and his REPUBLICAN friends that ran up record deficits. Obama is just rescinding the dumb tax cuts Bush implemented. Thats not raising taxes, and most people on this blog won’t be affected. The Right is pulling the wool over your eyes.
By jasper
July 9, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
Janinie - good point!
Bush bashing has become its own art form. Have to admit he’s an easy target. The problem is that partisan politics is out of control, and its a 3-ring circus with Republicans, Dems, and the media. They all need eachother to stay in power and deflect blame, and they are playing us like an old fiddle. We were sick of Nixon, then Carter, then Clinton and now Bush. There is something tragically silly about the whole process, and the leader of the free world is at stake.
We’re all ready for change, anxious for and about it, and inasmuch as I can appreciate the excitement for Obama and what he would symbolize for a lot of Americans, his liberalism scares the hell out of me. A more expensive and expansive goverment only exacerbates the current problems, bigger circus.
By hillbilly ragger
July 9, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
oh, jim….
And, by the way, pause today to salute Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They’ve taken Congress to 9 percent approval ratings, lowest in history.
Do you actually bother to research the talking points you copy/paste from the likes of Drudge?
I called you out on Chambliss’ lie that you gleefully passed along, about “600,000” imaginary Georgians yesterday. Didn’t that embarrass you just a little tiny bit? I see you’ve still not seen fit to post a correction.
TW @ 9.02 already called you out on the “9 percent” figure, but maybe at this point we shouldn’t bother. If I see a number in one of your columns, I’ll just assume it’s made up and be pleasantly surprised when it isn’t.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
PSYCHIATRISTS have detected the first case of “climate change delusion” - and they haven’t even yet got to Kevin Rudd and his global warming guru. Writing in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, Joshua Wolf and Robert Salo of our Royal Children’s Hospital say this delusion was a “previously unreported phenomenon”
Heck, I know where there are all kinds of delusional people, waiting for a climate “catastrophe.”
They even hope for one, hahaha, voluntary insanity.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Dear Miss Congeniality @ 11:29, you trip on your leftist mental block. “I would consider the infringement on our civil liberties, granted to us by the Bill of Rights as counter to this ideal.” You deceive to the extent you allege that the Bush administration infringes civil liberties of any other than alien Islamists. You leftists never cite a single such infringement of rights of an American citizen. The Constitution does not protect the world.
“The Bill of Rights, as I am sure you know as a lawyer, was granted to us to protect citizend from government intervention.” You err, but your error is endemic to your ideology. The Constitution does not grant any rights; it prohibits the government from infringing those rights that exist in nature, with a specificity from numbers two through eight. Until the leftists conceived the idea of a “living breathing Constitution,” in contrast to the traditional immutable rock on which our republic was built, there was no need for political protection from the government. Of course, with the massive 20th century expansion of the nanny state, we all agree that we need protection from Big Brother.
“However, the current administration has done all they can to take these away. Consider the 4th Amendement right to privacy. Warrentless Wire-taps are government intervention, are they not?” And the warrentless wiretaps are procured only against alien Islamists. I realize you leftists think it is unfair to use the power of government to protect Americans from alien Islamists, but conservatives have no such qualms.
At least until Boumedienne, even democrats agreed that the Constitution was not a “mutual suicide pact.” Now, of course, the democrats believe the Constitution requires us to allow the terrorists to act before the government can interrupt their activities.
By old91A10
July 9, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
You can’t shine sh*t.
By getalife
July 9, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
McCain was quoted if the Iraqis ask us to leave, we will have to leave.
They want us to leave.
Will he flip flop?
Of course.
wooten will not post all his candidate’s flip flops but there are many.
Today, the corrupt Senate will kill the 4th amendment.
This is what they will pass today
Pathetic.
By Skeptic Tank
July 9, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
It’s a hoot listening to you right-wingers railing against LIBERALS and hating on Obama, when your OWN Republican Party has made a MOCKERY of conservative principles over the past 8 years.
Go ahead and admit it. You SHOULD be voting for Bob Barr, because he’s the only candidate running on a conservative platform…but you won’t because you aren’t about integrity…you’re all about denigrading Democrats, period.
By Blue Bartini
July 9, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Georgia must be in play! Woo-HOOO! Mr. Wooten and his like minded rightards are definitely worried that we’ll swing the other way this November, aren’t they? If they weren’t, we wouldn’t get back to back columns slamming Obama and his chances here, and longer and longer blog posts from neo-fascists, trembling at the very thought of the networks hacks coloring our sweet state blue on their election night graphics.
They WANT you to think your voice and your vote don’t matter.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
Dear AJC/DNC @ 11:34, did Queen Pinko really use “denigrate” in that contest? My morning laugh, thanks.
By Vegas
July 9, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Lots of time has been wasted talking about Obama and whether he’s a flip flopper. It’s a total waste of time. He’s not a flip flopper. There’s plenty of video tape to disprove the lie that came out the other day. He sounds the same as he did 18 months ago. I think lots of this is for ratings, etc. Bottom line, I will ignore every negative story and every negative thing about Obama and vote for him in November. Clearly, he is the best man for the job. I don’t even know how McCain is even in this race or why it’s even a race!?! LOL McCain is the kind of flip flopping.
Obama 08!!!!!!!!!
By The good side
July 9, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
To Pat,
Do you actually think you will not have to pay higher taxes with a FEDERAL budget deficit of 400 billion dollars?
So you so-called conservatives or righ wingers are delusional! Do you want to pay down the FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT NOW OR LATER!
Also what rich individuals are hiring people right now! Taxes are low! I see a lot of people getting laid off!
WAKE-UP PAT and smell what the ROC is cooking!
Also to all the HILLIARY CLINTON supporters do not come on this blog you continue to cry about your candidate who could not budget and now you want Mr. Obama hard working supporters to taken care of her carelessness.
Please go vote for McCLain I do not want any sore loser in Mr. Obama camp.
Also Mr. Wooten are you saying a DEMOCRATIC congress with s slight majority should be able to wipe out all the DAMAGE THE REPLUBLICAN congress had done in the past 6 years?
If you are stating this you really are a weak,lack of common sense,wannabee intelligent blogger!
By Singen
July 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Whatever,
Your guy is making more mistakes than any capaign veteran would tally up as the maximum possible. The thing that still comically calls itself the press will not report this striking fact, of course, but instead will play your assimilated game of praising the beauty of their naked and newly innaugurated Emperors new pantaloons.
His campaign people have acquitted themselves pretty admirably so far. And now it’s time to send them all packing and to bring in adults.
By Vegas
July 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2008/07/08/cbs-obama-tax-policy-better-middle-class
Obama’s tax plan is better for the middle class. If you make near $300,000 per year, then McCain will help you, if you don’t, then Obama’s your man. Listen to people who represent McCain or want you to vote McCain and they’ll have you voting yourself out of gas money, grocery money, and any other money for anything else you and your family need. McCain is not for the working man. He and his wife can’t feel and don’t know what it’s like to know what it’s like to decide whether or not to pay the gas or lights this month or are we going to eat this month, etc. Somehow, I just don’t see the McCains sitting at a kitchen table struggling to pay the bills or having the same headaches regular families do. Do I need my heart medication or do I need air conditioning this summer? They don’t know what it’s like. Not everyone’s married to someone with over 100 mil in the bank. McCain’s rich, too. They’ve always be privileged people, so they don’t feel your pain, they can’t. I’m voting for someone who knows, someone who feels the way I do.
Obama 08!!!
By ron
July 9, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
Dear BFKaJ,When you state that the government granted us the Bill of Rights aren’t you cedeing that the government is soverign?That it and it alone has the right to grant?The origional organizers kept these rights for the people,they weren’t granted.
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
Wootie and the Blowfish: George Bush cant do anything “post-partisan”. He has suffered so long from his monthly “pre-partisan syndrom”, him being such a wussy and all…..
getawipe, Malaki has to vogue tough on US withdrawals to retain power in Iraq.
What troop deal is actually made behind the scenes is anyone’s guess. Probably a very heavily advertised and substantial redeploy of 30 or 40K troops to afghanistan. But 100K is the minimum we need to stay in iraq for 100 years.
.
By hillbilly ragger
July 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
lawyer windbag @ 11:53, want to tell the class why you think the use of the word “denigrate” by that particular person is funny?
And when you’re done, you want to share some of your favorite n#gg#r jokes with the class?
I’m sure you’ve collected some doozies over the years.
By Miss Congeniality
July 9, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
BFKaJ,
I do not intend to get into a philosophical or semantic debate with you over the use of “grant”, but my point being that the Bill of Rights was written to ensure the rights of the citizens of the new USA against any infringement. The most serious infringement coming from governmental powers, i.e. the “King” or the new centralized government.
You challenge that the warrentless wiretaps are being used only against “Alien Islamists.” Really? Do you have concrete proof of such? And just what is the definition of “Alien” to the government anyway? Does “Alien” mean only those here on student visa, employment visa, or those that have only recently been granted US citizenship?
You cannot possibly be so naive to assume that what we are told by our president is always the factual truth. We have seen through history that documents can be fudged. An innocent US citizen can easily be labeled a “threat.” And just whom is on the other side of that phone call? If the government claims to be able to wire-tap any call the “alien” makes, certainly some of those calls would be to legal US citizens. Would you not contend that this violates that citizens rights?
I will grant your argument that the idea of a living document does in itself create problems. The founders surely would see an infringement of 4th amendment rights for some people as a sort of snowball effect, one that could lead to greater government misuse of power. Therefore, my argument is based on that idea.
By matt
July 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
go mccain…no monkey in the WHITE house
By Charles
July 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this
Democraps - Here for your enjoyment is a new episode of Flipper starring your Messiah, Obama.
By Wooten's Weiner
July 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
BFKaJ@11:46 AM : What about the widely reported incident several years ago, perhaps in 2001/2002?, of the man in California who made a remark at his gym to someone about Bush’s foreign policy and then was paid a little visit by the FBI to investigate? I’d say that infringed on his constitutional rights. And he was an American citizen.
By fearless fosdik
July 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
“Now we’ve got the cables. We’ve got talk radio.
We’ve got the bloggers. I hate the bloggers.”
JOHN MCCAIN saying he hates Dusty, Wooten and JBMLAW…TOO FUNNY
By Bane
July 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
By the way, in addition to agreeing with everything TW pointed out about McCain’s flip-flops, the title of this article I assume is trying to refer to the TV show Shaft?
That’s racist.
By BoneHead
July 9, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this
Hey TW, I am glad that you have a long list for McCain, What do you have for the 2 weeks that Osama; I mean Obama actually went to work? I vote present!
By Miss Congeniality
July 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Nice Matt.
Now crawl back under your hood, you’re embarrassing yourself.
By Bane
July 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
By the way, in addition to agreeing with everything TW pointed out about McCain’s flip-flops, the title of this article I assume is trying to refer to the TV show Shaft?
That’s racist.
By getalife
July 9, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
“At a town hall meeting on Monday, McCain said:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that’s a disgrace. It’s an absolute disgrace, and it’s got to be fixed.
In other words, the way social security has worked since the thirties is a disgrace.
They both are radical.
Geez.
By lava
July 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
go mccain…no monkey in the WHITE house….the monkey cannot see the monkey in him….
By Goldie
July 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
“Higher taxes on the upper incomes mean fewer jobs and a slower economy.”
LMAO — like Dubya’s 3 tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of America has really been the great economic boom! Oh yeah, America really loves the Repugs’ voodoo economics — just look at where we are today! McBush will certainly win in November with the Repugs’ great economic non-policies!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!
By THE ONLY GOOD LIBERAL IS AN EXPIRED LIBERAL
July 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
I see the odious black racist cow Debbiemycellulitewobblesslapper has finally been released from Fulton County jail.
WELCOME BACK U LARDARSED BUBBATURD!!!
Andrew Sullivan is just a dried up AIDS ridden pompous queeralicious liberal poof who should bugger off back to Fascist Nu Labour F aggotland.
Hilarious to see yet more despicable BLACK RACIST SCUM slither out into the racist spotlight as some worthless, virtually unwatched black moron channel called TV ONE pukes up its racist bollocks about how NO coverage of the GOP convention will be shown. Yet all the nauseating vile fawning over some half-black racist big eared vacuous far left chickensh*tsurrender monkey nonentity will shamefully displace the usual sullen prime time litany of crude ebonics spoutin’ black halfwits puking up pathetic racist joKKKes about whites and the usual mysogyny about mouthy shrill black wimmin.
Blacks are now undeniably the worst racists in the USA - even worse than the 20 million or so mexican type illegal leeches.
Imagine the noisy black snouts in the racial spoils trough screeching if a “white” cable channel refused to cover the Hussein Obama bollocks. Yet its perfectly fine if the RACIST black scum running this pathetic channel refuse to cover the GOP/McCain bash.
SO MUCH FOR THE liberal/black supported FAIRNESS DOCTRINE when it comes to black racists.
LMFAO laughing at the anguished screeching leftist human scum whining and bleating about Hussein Obama’s gutless yellowbellied lies about his far left surrender monkey policies. Hussein has now flip flopped even more than the abject venal vermin Kerry, resoundingly beaten by Bush in 04.
Talking about despicable half-black hypocrisy and gutless electioneering:
The worthless treasonous far left talking ape Hussein Obama is NOW supporting a FISA bill that this black racist wanker threatened to filibuster just a few months ago.
By DaveD
July 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
ALL those that still favor Bush and his “priciples”…raise your hand…
Now…because of your votes…show me the hands that LOVE what you’re paying for gas! Or for your stock prices (actually you do NOT own stock…as it’s IDIOTS that voted for him because of gay issues…twice)….
BUSH…WORST RATING of a president in modern times… nothing will ever change that. History will show how YOU are a fault for your votes!
;-)
By Kemmet Aziz
July 9, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
@ Jim That Shaft reference you made was blatantly racist. I see the closer we get to November the more “you people” show your true colors. I wonder what you will say if Obama gets elected, Wow, I can hardly wait.
@ TW Thanks so much for the that insight on the flip flops of McLoven aka McCain
By Dusty
July 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
Hmmmm
I see DebbieDoRight 11:26 is back. Perhaps Deb might remember PoFo, our local joker and man of many IDs including those that belong to others.
Anyway, PoFo is also Spellcheck and has used that ‘Craig-Halfmast” bit so much it is worn thin from frquency. Maybe you,Deb, might find something a little fresher.
Mrs Godzilla,
When did you stop being IN THE NEWS?
MIss Congeniality,
You have more suppositions that a dog has fleas. Suppose…maybe…might be… Why don’t you ask youself if you want America protected or not? Are you upset because someone might hear your overseas call from a listed terrorist? That is what they are checking.
You libs are so interesting. Everything done by the Bush Administrations is suspicious, according to you. Yet you want to elect a man with limited experience, anti-war, with a background of interaction with people such as Ayres (Weather Underground), Farrahan (racist) and a minister and wife who obviously do not like America. Where are all your ‘ifs and buts’ concerning them?
You overlook any ‘discrepancies’ of far left Dems but with your inclinations, all Republicans are suspect.
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
I knew I could get Wooten to cry flip flop, last election’s mantra, and now an impotent, and cuckolded campaign slogan.
Flip Flop is the sound of Bush’s second term.
Flip Flop is the sound of fraudulently programmed Diebold machine miscounts. Flip Flop was the sound of swiftboats, and american highways crumbling.
Flip Flop was the sound of Katrina Victims needing swifter boats and conservative mercenaries firing into Katrina refugees on that damnable bridge to protect the upscale shopping districts.
Flip Flop was the sound of Cheney’s ingenious but changing geo-political strategies.
Word.
You know, it was 2 generations ago that Chairman Mao held up one finger, then two, when he asked Nixon how many generations of peace there’d be between China and the West.
Mao was being dramatic because only a generation before, he had to face down a nuclear attack threat from MacArthur, for which Mac was fired.
Mao at least knew we weren’t mad men, yet he didn’t believe in any lasting peace.
Thus Iraq’s Malaki must posit how many generations of Iraqis will live in peace if US troops leave, as he insists we must.
Malaki is being dramatic because it’s politically expedient for him to posture withdrawal. After all, there are sunnis, shias, and kurds listening to every word he sez. Political Power in Iraq would be squandered by licking uncle sam’s boots on the ground.
However, everybody in the whole wide world, except the shia, sunnis, and kurds know that the US can never leave. Only a fool would let the fumes vent naturally in that gas tank. One spark and………
So expect real hostility from the Iraq President as we near the election and the whole world watches. We can withdraw 30K troops in a photo-op appeasement to malaki, and redeploy them in Afghanistan and buy some time.
But eventually, if they want to stay in power, the sunni and shia tribal leaders will become more forceful in demanding US troop withdrawals.
Thus I’m saying that Iraq will be a war zone for 100 years. Lets invade another country that didn’t do 911, this one being so much fun and all. I think we have to know just how many surrender monkeys there are in this country, and the only way to flush them out is to invade Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Pakistan.
Support the troops. Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree. Sport a bumper sticker. Go shopping. rename your fries.
Obama 08: It’s about change, and isn’t it about time?
By Michael
July 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
The Obamamaniacs are a bit riled today…I think they realize that the wheels are coming of the Obama bus.
By Michael
July 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this
The Obamamaniacs are a bit riled today…I think they realize that the wheels are coming of the Obama bus.
By hillbilly ragger
July 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Michael, yeah, we’re just all out of sorts, ‘cuz Obama’s just getting killed in the polls on account of the Reich Wing’s imaginary flip-flopping story…
oh, wait.
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
dusty is doing the est she can…….
Did you read about fat guys having bad sperm? Add in the fact that watermelon acts like viagra, and you’ve got the makings for a great joke.
i cant find it. Can U?
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
dusty is doing the best she can…….
Did you read about fat guys having bad sperm? Add in the fact that watermelon acts like viagra, and you’ve got the makings for a great joke.
i cant find it. Can U?
By Spellcheck
July 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
dusty is doing the best she can…….
Did you read about fat guys having bad sperm? Add in the fact that watermelon acts like viagra, and you’ve got the makings for a great joke.
i cant find it. Can U?
By RA77
July 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
The Obamamaniacs are a bit riled today…I think they realize that the wheels are coming of the Obama bus.
Are you kidding? Those dirty rats on the animalistic liberal fascist left have been pis-sed off for months now. Just wait until the non-mainslime media starts exposing Obamania, and hopefully FoxNews will take the lead, because as God as our witness, the mainslime media like CNN will not report anything negative.
Obamania: Make sure your kids can speak Spanish.
What the hell for? This is English-speaking America the last time I checked. How come ipeople in Mexico who flock over here illegally aren’t taught a WORD of English in Mexico? English is taught all over the world as a second language. English is the global single language of air traffic control. Not on my watch fascist liberals.
Barack being dissed by Berlin. Haha. You’ve got to love it. Barack doesn’t deserve to speak where Kennedy and Reagan did. Barack hasn’t earned a thing to deserve it other than smoke, mirrors, and a mindless liberal media that drools and passes out over him. Anyone who has to be seen in staged and prepared circumstances to keep the media at bay deserves nothing of the sort.
Now go froth at the mouth over those comments, you miserable pis-sed off marxist liberal Dumocraps.
By DaveD
July 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
Those that voted for Bubble Boy …TWICE!
Tell me NOW how the Bubble Boy tax cuts have worked to “stimulate” the economy… those rebates sent in the mail as well….(you know…more money we borrowed from China)…hehe…
Our stock market and economy is ROCKING like it’s 1933!!!
No worse president than Bubble Boy….
BIGGEST ECONOMIC EXPANISON IS US HISTORY? Well it happened due to Clinton/Gore…so here ya go:
“Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics Released a New Employment Report Showing that Over 22.4 Million Jobs Have Been Created Since January 1993. In 1992, when Bill Clinton was elected President, the American economy was barely creating jobs, wages were stagnant, and the unemployment rate was 7.5 percent. President Clinton’s bold, three-part economic strategy has focused on three objectives: fiscal discipline, investing in education, health care, science and technology; and opening foreign markets. This strategy has helped create over 22.4 million jobs and contributed to the longest economic expansion in U.S. history.
22.4 Million New Jobs Created Under the Clinton-Gore Administration. Since January 1993, the economy has added 22.4 million new jobs. That’s the most jobs ever created under a single Administration — and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. Under President Clinton, the economy has added an average of 240,000 jobs per month, the highest of any President on record. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.
92 Percent — 20.6 Million — of the New Jobs Have Been Created in the Private Sector. Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the private sector of the economy has added 20.6 million new jobs. That is 92 percent of the 22.4 million new jobs — the highest percentage since Harry S. Truman was President and presiding over the post-World War II demobilization.
The Unemployment Rate Was 3.9 Percent in October — Nearly the Lowest in Three Decades. The unemployment rate stayed low at 3.9 percent in October — nearly the lowest in three decades. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row. It has remained below 5 percent for 40 months in a row. For women the unemployment rate was 3.9 percent — nearly the lowest since 1953.”
By matt
July 9, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
go back to africa!
By Pat
July 9, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
To “the good side”:
Taxes aren’t the answer to lowering the debt: cutting spending is. Therein lies the problem with liberals. The social programs like Social Security and Medicaid are a huge burden on the budget. Why add more with government healthcare? When is the last time government did anything efficiently or cost effective? You can’t make yourself “feel” better by taxing yourself until it hurts. We Americans are hurting enough due to liberals who wouldn’t allow any new refineries to be built since the 1970s, who won’t allow off-shore drilling for oil, who won’t see that public schools turn out mostly mindless drones, or who don’t encourage people to help themselves rather than seek government help. (You didn’t see Iowans blaming George Bush for blowing up the levees during that flood.)
By markP
July 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
“It’s about change.”
That has to be the most meaningless, mindless, hollow political “capture” phrase in the history of US politics. Only a mindless idiot would think that captures people’s imagination - well, people who aren’t mindless left wing moonbats anyway.. Communist Che said the same thing, and coincidentally, the Communist Party has endorsed Obama. Well, we are talking about mindless yet over-emotional hysterical liberals and Democats here.
By The good side
July 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Once people putting so muc emphasis on nothing! Why are you clinging to where Ronald Reagan spoke who care it does not mean anything quit holding onto the past people. That is why we have the Bush years!
Also a person, pastor can speak negatively about this COUNTRY. That does not he does not like it!
I bet a lot of you on this blog has spoken words of negativity about this country now that someone states it in the public they need to be sent away.
Dusty will you eventually grow-up with this non-sense and acquire some common sense.
Answer me this if we have interests in protecting the Middle East or Isreal what is that going to do for a gas and food prices.
Bush could have put all that money from the WAT in to Drilling instead of throwing billions into a war we could have fought in Aftganistan.
Bush was on a roll,THE REPUKS had the house and the SENATE but yet not a single person ask to DRILL!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Also the latest reports are the BUSH Adminstration reduce the department of oversight for speculation by 60 percent.
Now wake JIM and smell the coffee!
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Never. Still am. Always was.
I stopped using Mrs. Godzilla late last year/very early this year so I could chase McMultiname and his multiple ID’s around the track during the election year and not be guilty of the same crime.
Let me tell you, it’s been fun!
I always liked the Mrs. Godzilla name better…..a sentimental attachment that goes back 30 years….
OH, and here’s a little something for you!
On Monday, the McCain campaign triumphantly released a joint statement from 300 economists who “enthusiastically support” the senator’s economic plan. Almost immediately, the statement looked a little sketchy, given they only endorsed his plan after taking out two of the more transparently stupid centerpiece ideas of the plan — the gas tax holiday and his promise to balance the budget by the end of his first term. Today, the press stunt looks even worse. Alexander Burns and Avi Zenilman found that many of the 300 economists “don’t actually support the whole of McCain’s economic agenda” and at least one of McCain’s 300 economists “doesn’t even support McCain for president.”
AND
Is the GOP Cooking the Books to Avoid Recession Until After Election Day? By James Galbraith, Mother Jones. Posted July 8, 2008. Two enormous clouds remain for whoever becomes president: the housing slump and the banking crisis. Both are far from being finished yet. ……
I can see much work needs to be done here….
By Peter
July 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Who care about what Whooten says…….. here is what the real issues is with McCain…….. AGE!
“Then there were awkward moments in speeches when McCain had trouble reading the TelePrompTer.”
Guy can’t see…….. way too old……. Bush said he was too old 4 years ago……..
Is Bush going to Flip Flop on that statement now ?
Analysis: McCain looking to fix mojo problems……..
Read the article………. WRONGS………..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/08/mccain.mojo/index.html
HA HA HA ……….. The article talks about McCain the FLIP FLOPPER !
Great time to talk about Flip Flopping Jim, when today there is an article about McCain being one !
HA HA HA………… Great timing………..
By the way Jim………….what is the Presidents APPROVAL RATING…….. ????????
GOP IS IN TROUBLE !
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
FROM FACT CHECK.ORG
A False Accusation About Energy July 9, 2008
An RNC ad claims Obama has “no new solutions” to the energy problem, when he actually proposes $150 billion worth.
Summary A new ad from the Republican National Committee claims Barack Obama proposes “no new solutions” for the energy and climate crises. In fact, the Illinois senator has proposed $150 billion in spending over 10 years for biofuels, plug-in hybrids, low-emission coal plants and the rapid commercialization of other new, clean energy technologies. The ad also recycles the misleading claim that Obama has said “no” to nuclear. Obama said he is open to nuclear if it is clean and safe.
And while the ad correctly says that Obama is against lifting the gas tax and against more production “here at home” (read: lifting the federal ban on more offshore oil drilling), neither of those steps is likely to be a “solution” for the problems at hand
By Sal
July 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
McCain gets it right: government has gotten too big thanks to Bush and Lott the Liberals! Makes one wonder why the moronic left hates W so much. He was their best friend.
Any idiot lib who doesn’t think Barack would raise taxes and totally throw this economy in turmoil is dumber than even the Right wingers could give him or her credit for.
By Miss Congeniality
July 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
Actually Dusty,
my dog has no fleas. I assume that is a personal problem.
Do I want America protected? Yes. Am I willing to trade my civil liberties for an ounce of protection? No. That is like changing a dollar for one quarter.
I think one of the greatest Americans to ever live said it best, (I am paraphrasing)
“Those who would willingly trade liberty for security, deserve neither”
-Benjamin Franklin.
Of course if Dusty was around then she would have been siding with the King, trading true freedom for fake promises and insufficent protection.
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
By markP July 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this “It’s about change.” That has to be the most meaningless, mindless, hollow political “capture” phrase in the history of US politics
ONLY TO BE TOPPED BY
McCain Forgets His “New” Slogan Is Someone Else’s Old One ….Problem is, it’s a recycled Tory slogan from the 1970’s.
SO IS IT PLAYGERISM OR ALZHEIMERS?
By ncgreybr
July 9, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
TW! How dare you suggest McCain flip flops!
Only Democrats flip flop. Republicans alter their position to reflect the changing views of their constituants…(In other words, a new poll came out!)
By matt
July 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
GO BACK TO AFRICA!!!! GO McCAIN!
By getalife
July 9, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
And you thought gas prices cost you an arm and a leg
The warmongering on Iran will keep oil prices high stupid.
By LMAO
July 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
LIBERAL, LIBERAL
LEFT, LEFT, LEFT
BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG GOVERNMENT
TAX AND SPEND SOCIALIST
Yup..just more stupidity from a bunch of morons who believe in managing a nation using catchwords and punchlines.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
Dear ron @ 12:12, I fully agree with your interpretation. Please note that “grant” was not my term, and that in my post I critiqued Miss Congeniality’s misapplication of that concept, reflected in her 12:15 dismay. We do well to underline that significant difference between conservatives and leftists.
Dear hillbilly @ 12:15, certainly, the application of that term in that context reflects the writer’s lack of classical education. No conservative would use such a racially insensitive term, although we can mirthfully enjoy the ignorant leftists who feign moral superiority on matters racial. Doubtless you believe Queen Pinko’s language appropriate, despite the double entendre.
Dear weiner @ 12:18, I’ll bite – what Constitutional right was infringed?
Dear Miss Congenality @ 12:15, traditionally one does not have to prove “innocence,” except in leftist dictatorships, but I would gratefully address any proof of “guilt” you may wish to offer. “You cannot possibly be so naive to assume that what we are told by our president is always the factual truth.” Nor am I so naïve as to assume that anything leaving the mouth of a leftist has any semblance of truth. “An innocent US citizen can easily be labeled a “threat.”” Care to cite one? I know, “labelling” is not the same as prosecuting, but every prosecutor so “labels” every defendant. Our system does not intend to protect us against “mislabeling,” it prevents us from wrongful punishment, except in the case of Scooter Libby. Nevertheless, I am pleased that you perceive the risks that arise from the leftist “living, breathing Constitution” theory of jurisprudence. A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step, and I would be pleased to guide you to the light. Once you fully embrace your revulsion to that leftist view of the Constitution, you are only a few logical steps away from Justices Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito.
Dear Fearless @ 12:23, clearly he knows me.
By lava
July 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
this mandingo luv Amreeeca Matt,get over IT! Im bending over and up doing my muslim chant to allah…….
By Edwin
July 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
You sir, are a horrible journalist.
By Miss Congeniality
July 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
oh, okay LMAO,
How about WMD’s as the catchphrase? I believe that was thrown aroung the most the last election.
You know some friends and I started a drinking game during the Bush/Kerry debates. We would drink everytime “WMD” was said. We got really drunk that night…
By LMAO
July 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this
Sometimes I really have to pinch myself to make sure I’m actually awake and living in this country.
There is sadly no critical thought taking place in regards to what is really going on in this country.
No common sense, only buzzwords..put into our heads by….HIGH PRICED RADIO JOCKS???????
By PulSamsara
July 9, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.
It is NOT the American way to reward complete failure - and that is what GOP governance has gotten us !
By The good side
July 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Pat,
The REPUBLICANS had the SENATE and the HOUSE thru the Clinton years and during Bush years up to 2006. Do you really believe that our oil companies wanted to drill in the United States when you could sell the oil at a higher cost to Europe.
It is absolutely amazing that some of you are so brainwash by a party.
I think that was slight on New Orleans in reference to people taking caring of themselves, but people from Iowa and other flooded states will get help you can bet on that!
Also I believe we have to reform Medicaid and Medicare. Also Social Security needs reform because the Replublican dip in so deep from the Korean WAR they create the deficit that hard working AMERICANS who have worked and paid taxes all their lives will not get to used. BECAUSE YOU WANT WAR THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT US NOT ONE BIT>
BILL CLINTON HAS A SURPLUS and he wanted to shore-up SS but the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS LED BY NEWT VOTED THAT MEASURE DOWN.
So quit supporting the party and support someone with some intelligence who knows we have to conserve, change our spending habits. Reform trade agreements so jobs will not go overseas. Rebuild the info-structure and boost renewable energy.
Pat tell me where are we going to get the water to cool off a nuclear reactor?
By DR. H
July 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this
The three states BFKaJ is licensed to practice in, inebriated, sedated, and comatose.
By BFKaJ
July 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
Dear Dr. H @ 2:27, I thought they were denial, desperation, and depravity, but I yield to your friendlier list.
By @@
July 9, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
Jim:
Libs most definitely saw it as a money diversion.
Why I could cite you hundreds of posts from here and at ml’s (may he RIP) where the liberals were calling to BRING OUR MONEY HOME. Talkin’ bout their needs and stuff.
Personally I think they’re just lookin’ to get screwed.
Anyhoo, that aside I stumbled into “The Black Agenda Report” page where BO is not the rage. Granted, they’re endorsing Cynthia McKinney, but I think they’re on target when they said this about The OBumbler and and his loyal subjects.
“Obama’s slickness is purposeful - he means to fool people!”
While I think ^^^ that applies to all democrats, it must be particularly hurtful when a candidate of the same race sells them out. Lots of interesting reads over there.
Oh well…….life goes on.
By The good side
July 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
To LMAO
Maybe a knock upside your head would work instead of a pinch!
Do you that we are borrowing money from the Chinese, Japanese, and other Asian countries to fund this war? Where do you think we are going to get the from to pay for the treasuries they have purchase?
It is amazing that you actually believe W meant well for going to war. We sent out troops in with armor that could not protect them. I guess you think that was o.k.
Do you really think Iran would be as powerful as they are now if we had not been distracted with WMD or liberating the Iraqis or whatever the excuse was.
The Terrorist would have came to Afganistan to fight our troops then we could have really wipe them out!
By @@
July 9, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this
(((The Terrorist would have came to Afganistan to fight our troops then we could have really wipe them out!)))
or they could have found themselves cornered in the mountainous terrain of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border where covert operations and aerial attacks are occurring frequently.
By BoneHead
July 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Our congressional approval rating, since the dems took over, make Bush look good. LOL
By SaveOurRepublic
July 9, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
TW, great points regarding that Globalist shill “Juan McAmnasty”. In addition to the McCain-Feingold fiasco, he’s been cozying up to Latino groups promising “immigration reform” (ie - amnesty…along with the North American Union).
On the other side, “Bacrock Obuma” does indeed flip-flop…from his “shell persona” of “Liebral” American, to his (true core) Globalist puppet form!
Both “McAmnasty” & “Bacrock Obuma” are sold out to the Internationalist agenda, which goes against our Constitutional Republic. BTW, voting for the “lesser of two evils, is still voting for evil!!!
http://constitutionparty.com
By Abomi Nation
July 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
And yet BoneHead the Senate and House are heavily favored to increase their Democratic majorities.
Why is that?
By GaLiberal
July 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this
Moron Jim said: And, by the way, pause today to salute Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They’ve taken Congress to 9 percent approval ratings, lowest in history.
What Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that Repthuglicons have been using filibusters to block important legislation and effectively shut down Congress. These are the same Rethuglicons that decried the Democrats use of the filibuster as ‘obstructionist’ and subverting ‘the will of the majority.’ Now that these Rethuglicons are not in the majority, these tactics are perfectly ok to use.
Another thing Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that Bush vetoed several bills which Congress had passed with Rethuglicon support. Yet these same Rethuglicons who voted for the bill initially now vote to uphold Bush’s veto. I guess they were for the bill before they were against it. Typical Rethuglicon hypocrisy.
Nancy Pelosi has been very effective at getting legislation out of the House. The Democrats have 218 votes. It’s the senate where the Rethuglicon filibustering and other obstructionist efforts have stalled Congress. It’s too bad the Democrats didn’t obstruct a few more bills when the Rethuglicons were in control. Bills like the USA PATRIOT Act and the one allowing military tribunals. But the Rethuglicons - being good thugs and con men - were able to get them through. The Democrats could do the same thing, but that would just make them Rethuglicons.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Congress’ approval rating is living proof.
By GaLiberal
July 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Moron Jim said: And, by the way, pause today to salute Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They’ve taken Congress to 9 percent approval ratings, lowest in history.
What Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that Repthuglicons have been using filibusters to block important legislation and effectively shut down Congress. These are the same Rethuglicons that decried the Democrats use of the filibuster as ‘obstructionist’ and subverting ‘the will of the majority.’ Now that these Rethuglicons are not in the majority, these tactics are perfectly ok to use.
Another thing Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that Bush vetoed several bills which Congress had passed with Rethuglicon support. Yet these same Rethuglicons who voted for the bill initially now vote to uphold Bush’s veto. I guess they were for the bill before they were against it. Typical Rethuglicon hypocrisy.
Nancy Pelosi has been very effective at getting legislation out of the House. The Democrats have 218 votes. It’s the senate where the Rethuglicon filibustering and other obstructionist efforts have stalled Congress. It’s too bad the Democrats didn’t obstruct a few more bills when the Rethuglicons were in control. Bills like the USA PATRIOT Act and the one allowing military tribunals. But the Rethuglicons - being good thugs and con men - were able to get them through. The Democrats could do the same thing, but that would just make them Rethuglicons.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Congress’ approval rating is living proof.
By @@
July 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!
OBAMA HAS ADMITTED TO A FLOP or flip….whatever.
The interview, conducted by Maria Menounos, prompted criticism of the candidate, who had said that he wanted to keep his family life private, but now seemed to be using his family to advance his candidacy.
Of course his family was a convenient way of showing that he’s capable of such.
What’s a family to a man with political aspirations.
Fraud!
By Abomi Nation
July 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Well Nancy and Harry sure won’t be getting their picture taken with Bush at the Republican convention will they.
The Republican Convention led by John McCain have gone to court and received a restraining order against Bush that orders Bush to stay at least 25 miles away from Minneapolis/St Paul.
Meanwhile Pelosi and Reid will actually be allowed into the Democratic convention in Denver. They even plan on speaking. Heck, Obama should invite President Bush to speak at the Democratic convention, in prime time. Obama would then win for sure.
By Wooten's Weiner
July 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
“Dear weiner @ 12:18, I’ll bite – what Constitutional right was infringed?” - BFKaJ @ 1:57pm
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” - Bill of Rights
I’d have thought that a great legal mind such as yourself would have seen the obvious answer. Although, I’m sure you’ll have a pithy response telling me that I don’t understand the true meaning of the First Amendment because I’m a crazzzzzy leftist.
By @@
July 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Angela Merkel obviously doesn’t know that
“It is unusual to hold election rallies abroad. No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington) or Red Square in Moscow for a rally because it would not be seen as appropriate.”
Authorities in the capital have confirmed that Obama plans to visit Berlin on July 24 and is interested in speaking at the foot of the Brandenburg Gate.
is a man who can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, and doesn’t want to be questioned about it.
Arrogant!
By Sam
July 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Y-y-yeah! BFKaJ is gonna tell w-w-wooten’s Weiner he’s a cr-cr-crazzzy leftist!
I guess the drought’s over folks. Two days of cats and dogs.
By @@
July 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
You’re at the wrong blog wiener.
By swolf4810
July 9, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
Bush & Co. can crow all they want about things being ‘better’ in Iraq. The FACT remains that our troops in Afgahnistan are BEGGING for more men, materials, and humanitarian support for the people of that country. But it AIN”T there…..cause its all tied up in Goergie’s War.
By Sam
July 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
@@’s doing the best he can…….
By Truthifier
July 9, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Abomi Nation, you will love this.
The Cook Political Report shows four seats currently in GOP hands in the Lean Democratic column and 18 more Republican seats in the Toss Up category, bringing the GOP total to 22 seats in extreme danger.
Eleven more Republican seats are rated as Lean Republican, meaning competitive but with the GOP still having an edge, bringing the number of Republican seats that are competitive or worse to 33.
Yet another 35 Republican seats are rated as Likely Republican, not competitive but still worth watching.
In contrast, no Democratic seats are Lean Republican, just seven Democratic seats are in the Toss Up column, and 12 more Lean Democratic, totaling 19 competitive races, with 14 more in Likely Democrat worth watching.
Pretty impressive outlook for the Democrats, on top of 30 seats in November 2006 and three since then.
By @@
July 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this
Sam:
I did omit Obama’s name. Here, let me fix it.
By @@
July 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Angela Merkel obviously doesn’t know that
“It is unusual to hold election rallies abroad. No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington) or Red Square in Moscow for a rally because it would not be seen as appropriate.”
Authorities in the capital have confirmed that Obama plans to visit Berlin on July 24 and is interested in speaking at the foot of the Brandenburg Gate.
Barack Obama is a man who can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, and doesn’t want to be questioned about it.
Arrogant!
By Soothsayer
July 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
“But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”.
“It must repeat those points over and over again until the public believes it. The principles behind propaganda are the same principles of mind control, hypnotic suggestion, and mental programming: distraction and repetition. With propaganda, distraction draws attention away from information that is true and directs attention to information that is false. Repetition of the false information imbeds it in your subconscious mind so that your acceptance of its truth becomes a conditioned response. You accept this information as true without thinking whenever it is presented to you again.”
—Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
COMPARE THE ABOVE WITH THE STANDARD REPUBLICAN STRATEGY OF “ATTACK AND DISTRACT”
By Copyleft
July 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Doesn’t that make him the perfect successor to Bush, then?
After all, you voted for Mr. No-Questions, No-Debates, No-Accountability twice already. Surely it’s a good idea to do it again.
(snicker)
By RobT
July 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Come on!! Does Obama throwing all you libs under the bus really suprise you?? If it does you haven’t paid a lot of attention to his career. He will do anything to get elected always has all the way back to joining the good Rev. Wright’s church 20 years to help him get ahead in polotics and jetisoning said church recently to get ahead in polotics. I think what really galls the net roots and Obamacons is the fact that ALL MIGHTY OBAMA is acting just like a run of the mill politician. He’s supposed to be a god like figure and therefore should be beyond such things. If you look at his record in the Senate, what little there is, you’ll see a very pedestrian left wing voting record. Nothing spectacular, very much politics as usual, voting with the Democratic leadership almost every time, no bipartinship. Can you name a single bill he’s authored or cause he’s pushed during his time in the Senate. His party has controlled the Senate since he came in to office and he’s been running for president pretty much from the beginning so you’d think he’d get something significant passed with his name on it. The fact is the American electorate will not elect a guy as left wing as Obama is or support positions as left wing as Obama championed in the Democratic primaries, so he had to tack to the center. Take heart though all you libs out there, if he gets elected he’ll probably go back to being the liberal polotician he really is.
By getalife
July 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Thank you Clinton for voting no on Fisa.
Today, all those who fought and died for our freedom, died in vain.
obl has changed our country and won.
Never, ever trust these criminals.
Disband both parties.
Clinton should lead the new party for the people.
By Abomi Nation
July 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Good stuff truthifier.
I wonder how many of those Republican candidates are going to ask Bush for help on the campaign trail?
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
OH NO!!! A candidate who admits to making a mistake!!!
Obama says no more interviews with kids
how different our beloved nation would be if the current President had that much character
THE THERE’S THIS
giving permission to use the venue is a matter not for Merkel’s government, but for Berlin city authorities. Berlin Mayor Klaus Wowereit said Tuesday that he would be “delighted” for Obama to appear at the Brandenburg Gate or elsewhere.
what a difference context makes
BUT MY NEW FAVORITE
McCain Camp Clarifies: We Should Leave Iraq If They Want Us To
WHAT DO WE EXPECT? An engraved invitation?
We request the honor of your setting a timetable to get the hell out of our country
By JohnnyReb
July 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
You bed-wettin’ pinkos are partially correct…the blog sub-title is indeed wrong…it should be “Shut Yo Mauwf!”. LOL!!! >:-)
The Shaft reference is appropriate on two levels, one is the obvious one to B.Hussein ObamaYOMama & the second is the total shaft he has plan for the American sheeple should the quislings get duped into electing him!
http://www.cofcc.org
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Now the libs are throwing thee environmental terrorists under the bus:
“I’m open to drilling and responsible production,” Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin told The Wall Street Journal, adding that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid could also support the move.
Well, well, look who has joined Cheney and all the other Big Oil Men, have the libs been getting death threats over high gas prices or what?
We got pinkos running around acting like Neokkkons, listening in on your phone calls, packing heat, what’s next, torture America’s enemies?
Is Conservatism resurgent, already?
By Devastator
July 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
The Rev. Jesse Jackson issued an apology to Barack Obama Wednesday for making what he called a “crude and hurtful” remark about the Illinois senator’s recent comments directed toward some members of the black community.
According to Jackson, a Fox News microphone picked up comments he meant to deliver privately that seemed to disparage the presumptive Democratic nominee for appearing to lecture the black community on morality.
Jackson didn’t elaborate on the context of his remarks, except to say he was trying to explain that Obama was hurting his relationship with black voters by recently conducting “moral” lectures at African-American churches.
Jackson’s apology came a few hours before Fox News planned to air the remarks.
Speaking to CNN Wednesday, Jackson said he feels “very distressed” over the comments.
“This is a sound bite in a broader conversation about urban policy and racial disparities. I feel very distressed because I’m supportive of this campaign and with the senator, what he has done and is doing,” he said. “I said he comes down as speaking down to black people. The moral message must be a much broader message. What we need really is racial justice and urban policy and jobs and health care. That’s a range of issues on the menu.
“Then I said something I regret was crude. It was very private. And very much a sound bite,” he also said.
In a statement issued earlier Wednesday to CNN, Jackson said, “For any harm or hurt that this hot mic private conversation may have caused, I apologize. My support for Senator Obama’s campaign is wide, deep and unequivocal. I cherish this redemptive and historical moment.”
Over the course of the campaign season, Obama has at times directed criticism directly to the black community, most sharply in a Chicago speech on Father’s Day that criticized some men for failing in their duties as parents.
“They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it,” Obama said then.
“You and I know how true this is in the African-American community. We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children. We know the statistics: that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up in prison,” he also said.
The Obama campaign had no immediate comment.
By Kristin
July 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
I think Phil Donahue, a Barack supporter, and a member of the super liberal club, explained his position on war very clearly to be heard by all. While he would want OBL killed, or at least caught, he would not condone the use of force unless that force could be absolutely certain that no collateral damage to innocent civilians would take place. I would say this is the voice of the core of Obama’s supporters which are the peaceniks that do not want war for any reason. This is not an evil position at all. It is a compassionate position for all human beings. The problem being that the likes of OBL could not care less about this soft approach to life because they don’t see human life the same. They actually don’t see dying the same either. This creates a big problem since requiring peace means all parties would agree to that. I would also like to point out that Phil’s concern for the innocent does not include the most innocent which is the unborn child. I am sure there is an exception to this generalization, but the democrat’s platform is a pro-choice position and thus they do support the killing of the innocent babies. Now to flip-flop back to innocent human beings, that same party is NOT in favor of capital punishment which has the potential to kill an innocent person which I agree can happen, but it also only targets those that have committed a heinous act. So explain to me again how this compassionate party, the democrats with Barack at the helm, feel it their duty and obligation to support the destruction of millions of children for any reason the mother deems appropriate.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
By Dhimmistator July 9, 2008 5:18 PM Jackson didn’t elaborate on the context of his remarks
Well don’t you worry about that, we’ll take care of it for you:
SHOCK: REV. JESSE JACKSON SLAMS OBAMA, WANTS TO ‘CUT HIS NS OUT’…FOXNEWS WILL PLAY JACKSON TAPE IN ITS ENTIRETY TONIGHT ON ‘O’REILLY’ 8 PM ET/5 PM PT
Bwa.
By Peter
July 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
I guess the reality has come out today, as we now find out the Republicans, have zero issue putting Americans in FEMA Trailers that cause cancer!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/apongoco/toxictrailers;ylt=AqyPVKp51v6xcmwAyi4XWqs0NUE
Well funny I would think all those “Family Values” would kick in every once in awhile……. but No they don’t when Money is in the way!
Please don’t tell me for a Moment we are safer with a Republican in the White House…….
Heck they don’t mind poisoning Americans !
By Devastator
July 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
duh,
Is that an actual quote or did you make that up?
By Dusty
July 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Uh oh..just skimmed the place…
Seems liberals don’t know which way to complain these days. It is hard to be loyal when you don’t know who is going to be flopping to what. Such a problem. As AJC/DNC Management mentioned:Libs are throwing environmental terrorists under the bus. They probably thought they were agreeing with Obama’s last stand???.
Which reminds me of Custer’s last stand. I expect we will see another one known as Obama’s Last Stand.
I THINK Mrs. Godzilla did say she was IN THE NEWS in her former life at Luckos. Must be a let down not to post 40 to 50 posts a day.
Miss Congeniality reminds me of someone. I think it is one of the paid ‘volunteers’ from the Obama camp. U reckon??
Gotta run. Pepper steak tonight so I better get started. ..abiento’…
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Link to this
By Peter July 9, 2008 5:31 PM I guess the reality has come out today, as we now find out the Republicans, have zero issue putting Americans in FEMA Trailers that cause cancer!
Peter: I can imagine that you don’t spend alot of time researching facts or anything like that, but by the CDC’s and EPA’s own standards, standards enacted during the KKKlintoon reign, the trailers are safe.
You would have to sit in one with the windows shut tight for four hundred years, enduring the stinging eyes and foul odor the entire time before you would even become “sick.”
But hey, it sounds good on the moonbat Bush Derangement Syndrome websites, don’t it?
By Devastator
July 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I thought you didn’t believe in cut ‘n’ run. Oh well, get to your steak gizzard.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
And check it out, for years upon years upon years, dhimmokrat Senators like B Hussein have been stuffing low income black people into overcrowded, vermin infested housing projects that are lorded over by drug dealers, thugs and crackheads, that’s real safe, ain’t it?
And telling them the whole time that they “care” about them and they will “change” things.
Morons.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
By Devastator July 9, 2008 5:34 PM duh, Is that an actual quote or did you make that up?
Dhimmi: The liberals are the ones that make things up, remember?
Let’s take B Hussein for example, how many positions on the war can one man possibly have?
Let me guess, you fell for that sh!t, didn’t you?
By Devastator
July 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
duh,
I always enjoy your attempt to convince us that you care about black folks. The only time they even enter your mind is when it is politically expedient for you.
Thanks for calling them morons.
By Peter
July 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
HA HA HA……..By AJC/DNC Management what a joke……….the trailers are NOT SAFE at all…….
Why don’t you get one for your family then, you may be doing us a service!
Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said the Democrats’ investigation found that Gulf Stream did test trailers, but treated the test results as a public relations liability instead of as a health hazard.
“It found pervasive formaldehyde contamination in its trailers, and it didn’t tell anyone,” Waxman said Wednesday.
Chairman of Gulf Stream Jim Shea said there was no actual “testing” of trailers. Instead, there was informal screening with a Formaldemeter, which is not a scientific test.
But Democrats say their staff interviewed employees from one of the manufacturers — Gulf Stream Coach — who said they, too, were suffering effects from formaldehyde exposure, including nose bleeds, shortness of breath, dizziness and bleeding ears. One employee told investigators that there was a foul odor throughout the plant.
The employees at the plant have been getting sick, never mind the folks living in them !
Yes with the Republicans in charge, Americans are NOT SAFE PERIOD !
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
Yeah, I know, peter head, I’ll bet Bushie and his goons soaked those trailers in formaldehyde on purpose!!
Formaldehyde is an important chemical used widely by industry to manufacture building materials and numerous household products. It is also a by-product of combustion and certain other natural processes. Thus, it may be present in substantial concentrations both indoors and outdoors.
Sources of formaldehyde in the home include building materials, smoking, household products, and the use of un-vented, fuel-burning appliances, like gas stoves or kerosene space heaters. Formaldehyde, by itself or in combination with other chemicals, serves a number of purposes in manufactured products. For example, it is used to add permanent-press qualities to clothing and draperies, as a component of glues and adhesives, and as a preservative in some paints and coating products.
And look at this dimwit, he goes and finds an employee at the factory who’s exposed to it all day long in high concentrations, and guess what, he’s the only one who’s sick.
Gosh, what a vast conspiracy you libs have uncovered.
Do you read your own propaganda, moron?
By Peter
July 9, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this
Hey silly one………By AJC/DNC Management…….Funny comment !
“Dhimmi: The liberals are the ones that make things up, remember?”
Gee I guess Weapons of MASS Destruction….wasn’t made up ?
HA HA HA………. “Faulty Intelligence” wasn’t made up?
HA HA HA……… “Family Values” wasn’t made up ?
HA HA HA……..
By Devastator
July 9, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
duh,
Obama hasn’t changed his positions. He clarified himself: He was and still is against the war and will bring the troops out!
You need to stop listening to the “liberal” media so much dude. Especially when they have to exxagerate to compensate for a lack of stories.
Don’t let them tell you how to think duh, you’re much better than that!
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Link to this
dhimmi: Purple, orange or black, if you cling to the dhimmokrat party believing they are doing good by you, and not just using you like a blow up doll for their lustful power trip, then you are a moron in my book.
I’ve called many a dimwit moron, you are not the first.
And you won’t be the last.
By Peter
July 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
Poor……By AJC/DNC Management…..unable to make a real good comment, so what does he do……..name calls…..
HA HA HA………..
AMERICA IS NOT SAFE WITH A REPUBLICAN IN CHARGE !
Where is Bin Ladden these days folks?
Answer: Under the Bush Protection Program somewhere !
By AJC/DNC Management
July 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
By Peter July 9, 2008 6:01 PM Gee I guess Weapons of MASS Destruction….wasn’t made up ?
Aahhh, yes, I sense an opening I can exploit:
What were 500 tons of yellow cake uranium still doing at the nuclear research center of Al—Tuwaitha in Iraq when American tanks rolled into Bagdhad?
Yes, indeed, especially after Joe Wilson told us there wasn’t any.
Guess he must have been……………lying.
Bwa.
By AJC/DNC Management
July 10, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
This is our profoundly ignorant Congress hard at work:
The Democratic-controlled House voted to impose new rules to preserve e-mails from the White House and other federal agencies, acting in defiance of a Bush administration veto threat. While passing 286-137 in the House, the bill faces an uncertain fate in the Senate. The measure was in response to an uproar over e-mails determined to be missing by recent Capitol Hill probes of Bush aides, including Karl Rove, then the president’s chief political strategist.-Urinal /PMS
The dhimmikrats can’t stalk the White House email system, so instead of growing up and taking care of the people’s business like rising food and energy costs, they whine and moan as an official act.
I thought that candy as-ses were against spying?
~~~~~
Memo to thee Doom and Gloom:
You could paint a portrait of Cynthia McKinney crossing the Delaware like George Washington or perhaps signing the Declaration of Independence, it really doesn’t matter, because she still looks like an idiot.
There is nothing thoughtful about this moonbat whatsoever.
You should be issuing warnings about feeding thee animals, not trying to make her look user friendly.
(Geez, I guess the Urinal thinks we forgot.)
~~~~~
Time to listen to Iraqis’ demand for our withdrawal- They aren’t talking about an immediate withdrawal, but they do seem to want a guaranteed withdrawal. And as a sovereign country, that is their decision, not ours.-Jay Kookman, Urinal
Congratulations, kookman, for stumbling upon the Bushie, McBushie and, as soon as he’s finished flip flopping, if he ever does, who knows, Obambi strategy for Iraq.
Since like 2003, dude.
~~~~~
It’s pretty much the same thing liberals are accusing B. Hussein Obama of right now. In its July 4 editorial, the Times harangued Obama for his diversions from the liberal line on Iraq, the domestic surveillance bill, capital punishment and guns. I believe the editorial was titled something like, “Get in Line, N-word.”
To paraphrase Dan Quayle, to be called a racist by these people is a badge of honor. Rest in peace, Jesse Helms: New York Times stock was recently lowered to a notch above junk bond status.
~~~~~
In November 2006, Obama said he regretted buying property adjacent to his Chicago home from Tony Rezko, a longtime supporter and big-time fund-raiser who has since been convicted of mail and wire fraud, aiding and abetting bribery and money laundering.
In February 2007, as his presidential campaign was beginning, Obama said he regretted saying that the lives of American soldiers who died fighting in Iraq had been “wasted.”
In April 2008, Obama said he regretted his choice of words when he told some well-heeled donors in San Francisco that “bitter” folks in Middle America who have lost economic hope “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”-Urinal/DNC
Do I sense buyer remorse?
By Shawny
July 10, 2008 8:17 AM | Link to this
At the end of the day, Obama is the same as the others….a politician.
A politician has 3 phases: #1 - get a job (elected), #2 - keep the job (reelected), #3 - pay back those that got you elected after you have exited the public eye.
They are the same. He did what he had to do to beat Clinton, now he is positioning himself (quite differently, I might add) in order to beat McCain.
Q: Quick…name one piece of legislation Obama has pushed through congress…can’t do it. Hasn’t done anything. All show, no substance.
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
McCain 08: it’s good to flip flop
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
McCain 08: it’s good to flip flop
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
McCain 08: it’s good to flip flop
By Mrs. Godzilla
July 10, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this
Remember foreclosure Phil Gramm
Take a peak at this
In an interview with the Washington Times today, former senator Phil Gramm, who is Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) “econ brain,” blamed the state of the economy on “the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades.” “You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” said Gramm. Gramm decried the “constant whining” of the American people when it comes to the economy
YES AMERICA, the dollar is not in the toilet, food doesn’t cost and arm and a leg, gas isn’t sky high, folks are losing their homes…y’all are just mental
By Redneck Soup
July 10, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this
McCain can only win in blackface. That works because he’s already got a vaudeville act.
No, I remember the first time any of us heard the name Obama. 2004 Democratic Convention. The speech. Remember the buzz? A new and rising superstar politician? Every bit of data that our six senses received about Obama were positive and enthusiastic. As we watched this man, we realized he was more than advertised, and we tucked away our approval for some future caucus.
Then, out of the pack like a screaming mimi, he burst through the nomination process. This was Grassroots Movement 101.
Now we are in the final turn. A black man will be our next president, and our founding vision will have come to fruition: Justice for all.
By tracher
July 10, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this
Notice how the media goes first to Obama these days to discuss any domestic or international matter? Before even our current President or John McCain. The election has already been won. National polls show a consistent lead by Obama and people care more about what he has to say, including Conservatives like Wooten, than anyone else. What I’d appreciate most are the Conservatives who think they know every Liberal agenda. The way you twist our beliefs and ethics makes me sick. Stick to your own convoluted views and don’t speak for the us. You just can’t get it “right”. Get it?
By Call it Like it is
July 10, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
Peter,
You are the MORON of the bunch.
Your prized Clinton had his chance to get Bin Ladden during his presidency and hedged on the chance.
By the way, has the US been hit since 911?
Obama, no one knows his position on anything - but we do know his affiliation with a church for 20+ years that preached Black Theology and to claim he was not aware or did not hear these HATE lessons preached throughout his days with the REV Wright? Give me a break!!
Plus, all we ever hear from the left is how ashamed they are of AMERICA! Which by the way, most people want and do come in droves to this country to live and become citizens the lawful way!
We have this guy out there telling people that it’s our lazy fault that we do not speak two languages! I hear no solutions to any of our issues except arm-chair quarterbacking, blame Bush, etc.
This guy sounds like a John Kerry puppet.
Next, Bush is not running for re-election.
All I hear from you is without facts - left talking points.
All of you, go ahead, vote for someone that has no experience on major decision making, no idea about foreign policy.
This guy can not and did nothing for his own district in Chicago, and we can deal with whatever comes next. Chaos! Higher Taxes, and a Socialist Government along with an inexperienced ROOKIE!
Enough Said!
Vote McCain!
By Maryanne
July 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Thank you for speaking the truth!
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November 6, 2008 4:35 AM | Link to this
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