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DEL.ICIO.USFeisty band of fighters takes on the TAD juggernaut
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Internet that makes it possible for presidential campaigns to raise millions quickly may, a small band of Gwinnett County taxpayers hopes, make it possible for those without deep pockets to stand up against well-financed advocacy campaigns.
At issue now is a proposal on the July 15 primary ballot in Gwinnett that asks a question so arcane that only insiders can have a real clue as to what they’re being asked to approve. The question is this:
“Shall the Act be approved which authorizes Gwinnett County to exercise redevelopment powers under the ‘Redevelopment Powers Law’ as it may be amended from time to time for the purpose of improving economic and social conditions in depressed areas within the county?”
That proposed law would work in tandem with a proposed constitutional amendment on the statewide ballot in November. That question:
“Shall the Constitution of Georgia be amended so as to authorize community redevelopment and authorize counties, municipalities, and local boards of education to use tax funds for redevelopment purposes and programs?”
Suppose the Gwinnett question was asked this way:
“Should county commissioners be authorized to redirect increased tax revenues from up to 10 percent of the county’s total tax digest from the county general funds into the pockets of developers and financiers?”
That’s a version of Patrick T. Malone’s summation of the ballot question. Who’s he? He’s a partner in PAR Group, a national training and consulting company with strong opinions about tax allocation districts (TADs) and how they’ve been used elsewhere. But most importantly, he’s a taxpayer in Gwinnett who’s found other taxpayers who are determined to see if an Internet-based network can compete against a well-funded public relations sell.
He and others hope to get an e-mail chain from one taxpayer’s mailing list to another to piece together a campaign to defeat the July 15 referendum. The idea has been rejected before, said Malone. “I thought it went away,” he said, “but unfortunately, it resurfaced. It goes back to the idea that we are not smart enough to understand that ‘this is good for you, so we are just going to keep putting it on the ballot until you get smart enough to pass it.’ ”
Jimmy Orr of Bethlehem is another of those on the e-mail list working to build opposition. “We are just a bunch of loose-knit individuals, taxpayers, voters,” he said. “To be honest with you, we simply don’t have the funds to really mount an effective media campaign against the development industry.”
The problem they both have is that they see TADs as — in Malone’s words — “a kind of insidious form of corporate welfare” that has the potential to steamroll unchecked.
TADs can be abused. Malone’s not opposed to a limited number of them, like, for example, a proposed redevelopment of the old Lucent complex off I-85. He thinks Atlantic Station was an appropriate use. In short, if approved, they should be used on a limited basis in areas where redevelopment would not occur otherwise. Examples are truly blighted areas and those with other problems, like pollution.
The fact is, however, that unless the definition of blight is drawn so tightly that they aren’t used routinely to redevelop just ahead of naturally occurring growth, they do amount to little more than taxpayer giveaways.
When TADs are set up, the value of the property for tax purposes is fixed. The growth in value is diverted to the developer for a period of, say, 25 or 30 years. Therefore if a parcel is currently valued at $100,000 and with redevelopment increases to $1 million, taxes on the $100,000 will go to the city or county and taxes on $900,000 will go to pay off the money borrowed for redevelopment.
The Georgia Supreme Court has ruled that property taxes to support schools can’t be diverted to developers. The General Assembly overruled that decision with a proposed constitutional amendment that will be on the ballot in November. If approved by voters who fail to comprehend what it is they’re being asked to do, the state Supreme Court’s decision will be negated.
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By BFKaJ
July 1, 2008 8:19 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I don’t have trouble reading various initiatives, no matter how badly phrased. If any section reads, “protect the individual right to x” one knows to vote for the initiative. If any section reads, “shall a government overlord be empowered to x” one knows it is a fundamentally bad idea, and to vote against it. It the words “increase” and “tax” appear within any initiative, that is an automatic “no” vote. If the language is ambivalent – has both individual rights and expansion of government – that is an automatic “no,” as the initiative is nothing but a bait and switch. Follow these simple rules for better citizenship.
By ron
July 1, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim,This is so simple it’s simple.Any question on a ballot that is not written in the clearest of terms is an automatic no vote.Except,that is,in cases where voting no actually means voting yes.Those little gems pop up every now and then on the ballot. The next logical step in this process,as far as I’m concerned,is to target the writers of thes bills for defeat in the next election.In a perfect world this is what would happen.In our world both of these bills will probably pass.
By TW
July 1, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
I agree. The only time tax payer money should go directly to corporate welfare is when the corporate is big oil. Had we been willing to streamline our tax dollars straight into the pockets of big oil, we would not have had to go through this ruse in Iraq. I mean, the needless killing of those who signed up to ‘defend’ us seems a little much.
On that note, if we could get enough people to ante up enough cash to cover Saxby’s green fees and drinks for the remainder of his term, do you think we could get him to quit?
On yet another of those notes (amidst the lengthy, demonic solo of this decade), if ‘w’ and cheney cared one iota about our economy or our security they would resign immediately.
BTW - if what Clark said about McSame getting shot down not qualifying him for president really sent the old bird into the emotional tank that bad - than he is simply to ill fit to handle the pressures of the White House. I mean, early stages of forgetfulness are one thing, ‘emotional old man crying syndrome’ yet another.
By I agree... sort of...
July 1, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
I agree with Jim in that TADs need to be reigned in for use only in areas that may not be redeveloped otherwise. However, it is highly unlikely that any such highly-defined TAD will be outlined prior to either the July or November elections. Unfortunately for me, I live in a neighborhood that has been directly (negatively) affected by the Georgia Supreme Court’s recent ruling on TADs. What was once widely recognized as the worst housing project in Atlanta is now a burgeoning in-town community. The homes have been built, the people are moving in, and all that remains of the former “neighborhood” is a dilapidated shopping center boasting the likes of a Dollar General and Buy Low grocery store. This shopping center WAS slated for redevelopment, but the TAD ruling, along with a city mandate that 40% of the housing be “affordable” (which is 20% higher than any other neighborhood’s requirement), sent the developers running for the hills. Fortunately, the affordable housing mandate was reduced to 20%, and now the only hold up is the TAD funding. As a result, I feel like I have no choice but to vote “yes” in November. Otherwise, I will be stuck driving past this cringe-worthy shopping center for as long as it takes me to sell my house and get the heck out of a neighborhood with no shot at a decent future.
By Get Real
July 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Isn’t the money we’re giving to Halliburton and Big Oil just another version of a TAD, Wooten?
By RCH
July 1, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
On different note:
I see Mayor Franklin cannot allow the passage of the new gun law rest. Using her croonie at the Atlanta Airport, she is seting up the city of Atlanta for a lawsuit which they will loose.As we know the Atlanta coffers are full of cash ready to be spent.
The new law is very explicit about where guns may be carried that includes the none secure areas of the airport.Airport General Manager Ben DeCosta says he will have anyone carrying a gun at the airport arrested.A local legislator will challenge this and win.
The state lawmaker said the city does not have the authority to defy a state law, and if they make arrests they will end up in court.
Mayor Franklin and airport manager Ben DeCosta,the law is clear follow it, not your political agenda!
By findog
July 1, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this
It is sad and really too bad that America does not believe in free enterprise, or capitalism anymore. TAD’s are just like those special nuggets of legislative poo congress inserts into bills to provide unfair [incentives] to one group to the detriment of another. Too bad we no longer believe in free markets and the individual entrepreneurial spirit that once made US great.
By RCH
July 1, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
On different note:
I see Mayor Franklin cannot allow the passage of the new gun law rest. Using her croonie at the Atlanta Airport, she is seting up the city of Atlanta for a lawsuit which they will loose.As we know the Atlanta coffers are full of cash ready to be spent.
The new law is very explicit about where guns may be carried that includes the none secure areas of the airport.Airport General Manager Ben DeCosta says he will have anyone carrying a gun at the airport arrested.A local legislator will challenge this and win.
The state lawmaker said the city does not have the authority to defy a state law, and if they make arrests they will end up in court.
Mayor Franklin and airport manager Ben DeCosta,the law is clear follow it, not your political agenda!
By Saul
July 1, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Think of the opportunity for corruption here. Taxes pay the developer’s loans. A bank will give a developer all the money in the world if the state will pay it off. That is corrupt. Where’s the oversight? Not long ago, a small plane crashed, and by some tragic twist of fate, the plane’s passengers were all the people you need to find and survey suitable land, finance the purchase of that suitable land, get legislation passed to rezone that suitable land, and then actually develop that suitable land. They were in fact on an air-to-ground search-and-deploy mission.
I wont mention names, I wont judge the dead, I think that job is taken. I will point directly at a journalist who seems to be in the center of legislative and contractual conflict of interests and who could only be serving as liason for closed door conpiracies to allocate favorable legislative muscle to a clandestine in-network constituency.
The American dream, then, becomes, “it’s not what you know, it’s who you know, it’s not how hard you work, it’s who you know, it’s not a fair, just, and equitable distribution of resources, it’s who you know.”
That system is as old as tribes. It cant ever be changed. A revolution would only become the object of it’s wrath. No man can resist power and fortune, no just cause cant be euphemized and then euthanized.
Nearly all of Christ’s parables concern lords and serfs, and the just allocation of the lord’s resources. The one consistent theme is always the irony of the lord’s afterlife fate, from mansion to hell pit.
Christian men must take only the solace provided by their own faith in the destined fruition of those parables.
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim
and good morning,jbmlaw. We missed you yesterday, jbm. I had to laugh this morning when I read yesterday’s last posts. I left the blog about 4:45 and thereafter came a big heated discussion with libs and an ID THIEF calling himself DUSTY. Libs trashing libs not knowing that one is a lib ID THIEF. Crazy!
Well, Jim Wooten, keep shining the light on these TAD proposals. Letting developers decide what to do with tax money and property is defintely a NO NO. Glad you keep an eye on such things and remind us to be careful. I don’t mind developers making a living but I do object to making them millionaires by ‘soaking’ tax payers.
By Pro-TAD
July 1, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
Anti-TAD proponents don’t live in Norcross or Doraville/Gwinnett and are happy to take So Gwinnett taxes up to their neighborhoods, 2 hours away from the city. Gwinnett must have increased commercial tax revenue to meet challenges that are already upon us. New developments closer to the city where the county is now the most undesirable will not only give us that revenue but also hold back the rotten “mold” growing on the edges of the county at the border of Dekalb. Our borders are weak and areas them are suffering from blight and crime. We need great new developments close to the city rather than spending it all in Buford so you can drive for 2 hours every day. The MARTA’s coming to Gwinnett and the police already struggles to address our needs. Additionally, there are high-quality, long term citizens here that need this to protect their families and property values. Let TAD revitilize South Gwinnett; Gwinnett NEEDS this!
By Just Nasty and Mean
July 1, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this
G’mornin Jim…et al,
Seems clear to me TADs are just another way for politicians to collect campaign contributions by diverting and redistributing tax dollars to high powered developers.
There was a time when politicians got reelected by working to make government better for the good of all.
These days, politicians spend more time attempting to contorting taxes (TADs) and the taxing system into ways to extend their position of power and get reelected.
This TAD system is just another scam to hand politicians new tools to collect campaign contributions from special interests and screw the taxpayer in the process.
I hope Gwinnett sends a message that this scam is over.
By Magnus McMagnus
July 1, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
Twernt no lib imposter trying to get the goat of Peter and others in your name, Dusty. But they reeled in real good, just like I knew they wood.
By dusty
July 1, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
oh…JBM I forgot to mention that tomorrow afternoon I will be baking your favorite..KEY LIME PIE! Limes fresh from my grove. About noonish?
By Magnus McMagnus
July 1, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
And, no, I’m not at it again. Like Dusty yesterday, I’m gone. Too much to do. Play nice everyone.
By BFKaJ
July 1, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Good morning Dusty, thanks. Mrs. jbmlaw and I have now returned from our short trip to the Gulf, with matching sunburns. I missed the blog for the past few days, but your report sounds like our friend HIDT has been having some fun with our leftist friends. I’ll have to go back and read. I suspect our leftist friends are a bit high-strung, given the rumors of Obama’s planned pivot on Iraq, affirming the Bush-McCain surge.
By Saul
July 1, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
Egyptologists have recently discovered that there weren’t just three pyramids at Giza. There were hundreds all over Egypt. Every stinking pharoah that came along wanted his own pyramid, him being such an important god and all. The pharoah was the bank, the legislature, the zoning commision, the TAD, the construction contactor, and of course, the god for whom the pyramid was built.
The Pharoah is everyman. We want to save ourselves. We want to save ourselves on the bones of those who we could have shared with and saved, but why would we bother, those people are animals, and we are gods, and that’s the way of things, as we see them…(the circular logic of gods and slaves).
The myth of man as god was perpetuated over the eons to measure mankind’s progress in terms of a stone on top of a stone for the sake of there being a stone on top of another stone, with the moral accomplishment residing in the sunbaked ethos of ancestral lore. All theology induces man to accomplish church. We may inherit not so much original sin, as original career, that is, to worship the god of our tribe in a manner prescribed by that god.
Religion, Government, Education. Career: PHAROAH!
By @@
July 1, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
Do I get to define blight Jim?
Never mind, I’ll take my liberties in doing so.
Blight is twelve 40 to 60 foot billboards within a seventy-five yard stretch of main thoroughfare.
Blight is 4 foot weeds among 6 inch fescue in front and back yards.
Blight is vehicles parked in the middle of the weeds and grass.
Blight is Christmas lights hanging from the eaves of homes 12 months out of the year.
Blight is littered roadsides.
Blight is undeveloped property that people have turned into a landfill for discarded furniture and appliances.
Blight is an over-abundance of Title Max lending businesses, laundromats, used car dealerships and pawn shops.
Blight is shopping buggies from nearby businesses left sitting on porches ready for the next trip to a nearby store.
Blight is “Who’s Your Daddy?” signs, advertising paternity testing services at four-way intersections
Blight is a county’s Code Enforcement Dept. that employs 4 part-time inspectors that work only two days a week.
Blight is vacated business locations.
It’s unfortunate that one man’s blight is another man’s right.
By findog
July 1, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
RCH, consistency please.
If the mayor is grandstanding with her associate at the airport what is the honorable gentleman from Villa Rica doing?
These politicians that get their constituents into lawsuits are every bit, if not more, contemptible than the bottom feeder’s with their product liability suits.
Maybe the courts should have the mayor and representative pay for this public display of bravado from their own pocket?
By Dennis
July 1, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
Individuals and small groups like the Gwinnett group are a threat to the powers of big money.
And that is another reason why the mainstream media and corporate controlled politicians (and the military) want to allow the telecom industry and the mainstream media to control the internet.
At stake is my and your ability to have free expression and communication and a free flow of information as the internet now exists.
Fighting against your freedom to do this are not just corporate heads, but Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats (a group who claim to be Democrats, but who often vote Republican).
(In our state, Georgia, that includes John Barrow, Sanford Bishop, David Scott and Jim Marshall).
The internet has become a source of irritation to the traditional way of sold out politicians, politics a lying media and lying to the public.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By The good side
July 1, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this
Vote NO on all TADS!
We cannot trust the politician nor any developer to make good decisions when it comes to tax payers money.
We already have MAJOR BUILDERS and DEVELOPERS building $500,000 homes in $100,000 neigborhoods.
To BKJa or whatever!
Do you really think AL-Queda would not have come to Aftganistan if we would not have invaded Iraq.
We have lost over 4,000 service men and women plus thousand hurt and mentally scared for life in Iraq and the only comment you can make is Mr. Obama is wrong about the surge.
Do you really think that is important?
If you do you really are not an AMERICAN!
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
You define blight everyday, @@. You’re a tad-bit like a pot calling the kettle black, a physician not healing thyself, a judge not that ye shall not be judged stereotype posterchild emblematic epitome of blight. (and an idiot).
By Peter
July 1, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Dusty why always the name calling….can you not come up with a better way to communicate?
So what do you actually have to say.?
By @@
July 1, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
It’s unfortunate that one man’s blight is another man’s right.
And you fail to see the obvious PollyFore.
Let me guess……the blight of which you are guilty is frequent patronage of the Title Max businesses? Pawn shops?
Or do you let the “weed” overtake you?
By George Hussein Washington
July 1, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
This is all my opinion, just to keep the legal scum off my back….Did you see what some half witted (imho) Fulton county judge did? I bet Thelma is a liberal arts major in something easy and stupid, like history or art. I hope her home is the first one where the electricity is cut off in the coming power shortages (hint to Ga Power, make it so)….The ruling will be reveresed by a higher court, too bad Thelma will git to remain on the bench to commit more acts of utter stupidity….Women should never, ever be put in postions of power, especially ignorant hags named Thelma….
Judge Thelma (I am an Idiot) Wyatt Cummings Moore’s ruling is the first in the nation to anchor coal-fired power plants to global warming.
In her 19-page order, Moore invalidated a state permit issued last year for a proposed coal plant in southwest Georgia and instructed the state Environmental Protection Division to limit carbon dioxide emissions in any new permit for the plant.
“There is no question that CO2 is ‘subject to regulation under the [federal Clean Air] Act,’” Moore wrote.
Carbon dioxide is the main greenhouse gas that an international panel of scientists has said contributes to global warming by trapping the heat of the sun.
“We think this is the beginning of the end of conventional coal-fired power plants, because of the enormity of their emissions,” said Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club’s national campaign against coal.
Of the 80 coal plants in the permitting process nationwide, about 30 are in active litigation, Nilles said. The Sierra Club was one of the petitioners in the Georgia case.
Michael Vogt with LS Power Group, the New Jersey-based energy company that proposed the power plant in Early County, said the company, along with its joint venture partner, Houston-based Dynegy, will appeal the decision to the Georgia Court of Appeals. The companies, operating as Longleaf Energy Associates, want to build a 1,200-megawatt plant expected to cost more than $2 billion.
“Congress is now debating how and whether they would regulate CO2 emissions,” Vogt said. “It is pretty surprising that she would be out front of everybody on this issue.”
Jeff Holmstead with the Washington law and lobbying firm of Bracewell & Giuliani, which represents power companies, says Moore’s decision misinterprets a 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling. The court ordered EPA to determine whether carbon dioxide is harmful to public health and needs to be regulated.
Holmstead said three or four other courts nationally have rejected similar arguments from environmentalists similar to those in the Georgia case.
Holmstead, who was in charge of EPA’s air pollution office until 2005, said the energy companies and the state EPD have a good chance to overturn the decision on appeal.
Early County leaders are bullish on the coal plant. They are looking forward to the promise of more than 100 high-paying jobs and millions in tax revenues for a county ranked as the state’s sixth poorest.
The plant would provide power for about one million homes. The electricity could be sold in Alabama and Florida, as well as Georgia, Vogt has said.
Fulton county appears to have the dumbiest judges in the State of Georgia….Sonny, please fire them all NOW
By getalife
July 1, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
“Reaching out to evangelical voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is announcing plans that would expand President Bush’s program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — support their ability to hire and fire based on faith”
Great, Obama is a freaking wingnut.
Both candidates are pathetic.
We are screwed 08.
By dusty
July 1, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
By Peter
July 1, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Peter..I’m truly sorry if I’ve hurt your little itty bitty feelings! I’ll try not to be so harsh on all you lib wanks in the future.
Would you like to come over and have some fresh Key lime pie? JBM will be here…He’s HOT your NOT!
By Peter
July 1, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty,
??????………………… Would you like to come over and have some fresh Key lime pie?
JBM will be here…He’s HOT your NOT!
Really? When was the last time you had a bite with JBM…..
What’s for lunch……the pie is dessert…..?
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
I have just come home again and nothing new here. ID THIEF @ 10:32..ID THIEF @ 11:48…ID THIEF @ 12:24..Not one of these are the real Dusty.
Jim Wooten, is there any cure for these liberal kleptomaniacs? Rabies shots or something??
By CJM
July 1, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
”..is there any cure for these liberal kleptomaniacs? Rabies shots or something??” Nope. They’re all screwed in the head permanently - that’s why they are libs. Rather pathetic I’d say.
Regarding pathetic part one, if you want government running our hospitals like pathetic libs want for this nation, this is what the future holds for us all.
Regarding pathetic part deux, former Dem presidentiala candidate is going after McCain as if Sen. Obama is a war hero or something. Good. Keep it up Weasley Clark. It will backfire like a 1973 Ford Pinto, and I already know the response to this from the wingnut libs, so don’t go there. McCain didn’t throw any medals over the White House fence and speak out against our troops while troops were still fighting the NVA and POWs like McCain were being torchered in Hanoi - you know, real torture, not something comprable to having a Bible burned in front of them, moonbat libs.
By dirty harry
July 1, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Dusty…Who in the world would want to be “THE REAL DUSTY?”
The reason people use your identity here is because you are sooooo EASY.
You are a CARTOON!
You are the laughing stock of this blog!
Your Tra la la’s, Ta Ta’s, your fresh veggies, and all the other metaphors that charactize you are synonomous.
We all know you graduated from Bob Jones University … School of intolerence, but, one would think you could think for yourself!
By CJM
July 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
”..is there any cure for these liberal kleptomaniacs? Rabies shots or something??” Nope. They’re all screwed in the head permanently - that’s why they are libs. Rather pathetic I’d say.
Regarding pathetic part one, if you want government running our hospitals like pathetic libs want for this nation, this is what the future holds for us all.
Regarding pathetic part deux, former Dem presidential candidate is going after McCain as if Sen. Obama is a war hero or something. Good. Keep it up Weasley Clark. It will backfire like a 1973 Ford Pinto, and I already know the response to this from the wingnut libs, so don’t go there. McCain didn’t throw any medals over the White House fence and speak out against our troops while troops were still fighting the NVA and POWs like McCain were being tortured in Hanoi - you know, real torture, not something comparable to having a Bible burned in front of them, moonbat libs.
By BFKaJ
July 1, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Dear Good Side @ 11:32, there is much merit to your post. You are certainly on target with your critique of the TAD-as-corporate-welfare.
As to your second argument, “Do you really think AL-Queda would not have come to Aftganistan if we would not have invaded Iraq.” I agree, they would not; I have previously praised the Bush gambit.
“We have lost over 4,000 service men and women plus thousand hurt and mentally scared for life in Iraq and the only comment you can make is Mr. Obama is wrong about the surge.” Oh, no, I have many positive observations about the noble effort. What would you wish to know?
“Do you really think that is important?” Yes, I cannot imagine anyone not thinking extinguishment of the Islamists is “important.”
“If you do you really are not an AMERICAN!” While I think your have your perspective backwards – that protecting Islamists from the US Marines is unAmerican – I will acknowledge that I am an internationalist, that I regard our race as a brotherhood of men, and not limited to those born on our shores.
By silver lining
July 1, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this
*Businesses are concerned that consumers will leave Cook County to make purchases, and some businesses outside the county are capitalizing on the opportunity already. Close to the Cook County line, they are advertising that customers pay no Cook County taxes. * http://cbs2chicago.com/local/cook.county.tax.2.760949.html
Crook County; Ha ha you have to love it. Democrats run that county, so if you want this socialist lib insanity on a national level, put Barack in office. Closed business & job losses will make today’s layoffs look good.
By Peter
July 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty,
“Jim Wooten, is there any cure for these liberal kleptomaniacs? Rabies shots or something??”
I kind of agree with you on this one…..
I guess some folks are too chicken to have a real opinion!
By BFKaJ
July 1, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
Dear Dusty @ 12:42, do not let HIDT’s posts distress you. He is mocking the leftists, not you, and his humor is readily apparent.
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Obama trounces McCain in November. Period. All this noise is simply denial. the danger here is that the repudlickans will realize the futility and turn to terrorism to keep hold of power, just like Bush’s homie Mugabe is doing. Like Rove copied Goebels, conservatives will emulate Mugabe. Expect genocidal acts of wanton depravity from the GOP and their sleep cell confederates.(blackwater)
There’s no defense against vigilante mobs like Bush Base vestiges of the GOP. Does anyone here trust Rush Limbaugh? Hannity? Brit Hume? Laura Ingrahm? They would sell us out in a new york second.
Obama 08: America takes over.
By RJR
July 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Why do people think TAD money goes to developers? It is for INFRASTRUCTURE people! It has helped many areas to improve our quality of life. What’s the problem here people?
By George Hussein Washington
July 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
yes, Mr. Obama will be a breath of fresh air in Washington…..I just hope that Dusty, FakeLawyerBoy JMB, RW, and all the rest of the superpatriots will support him and America at that time the way they are fanatically supporting the Chimp-in-Chief….Did the Georgia Bar Association force Dusty to stop using the name JMBLAW? Seems to me, she was pretending to be a lawyer without a law degree or being a member of the bar….
By George Hussein Washington
July 1, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Yeah RJR, it helped the crooked pals of Roy -I am not a crook- Barnes steal GA 400 Toll money for that pos called Atlantic Station….They should all be in prison….Where are the Feds when you have a lying, thieving governor….
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Well, jbm, if dirty harry is HIDT, you need new friends.
Dirty mind hairy @1:20
Did it ever occur to you that I am not posting to please you, of all people? Have you ever posted anything worth reading?. Not to mention most of what you say is totally inaccurate. For instance:
I have never attended Bob Jones University and never wanted to. Likewise the rest of my family.
I am not Baptist although I know some very fine people of that denomination.
I have never closed with TaTa except to make fun of its sissified sound.
Fresh vegetables? Obviously you are one of the suckers that fell for the phony posts using my ID. Figures.
Now, make my day and go post some normal liberal complaints. You can do it. And use your own ID. Thank you.
Peter..1:37
Yep, we agree to disagree but we don’t “steal”.
Be back later. Wouldn’t want to disappoint old buddy ‘dirty hairy’.
By HIDT
July 1, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
The only posts I have made here today are under the moniker Magnus McMagnus. I did fish for and sucessfully reel in Peter late yesterday afternoon using her ID after Dusty retired for the day. I regret my actions may have sparked others today to distress you, Dusty. I’m out again. Play nice everyone.
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Owning this blog took me all of a few weeks, and it’s been mine ever since. Everything that gets posted is some variation of something I’ve blogged.
I set the tone. I set the pace. I dont even have to blog and just my presence foils the trolls.
I know all. I see all. I am the Abundant Pundit!
By dirty harry
July 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Dusty..I never said you were a Baptist.
Well, since you admit it you have used the term ta ta.
Bob Jones University…You said you went to school in South Carolina, and based on your zealous partisan stances I would think you’re not a Gamecock! But, then again does one really meet a Carolinan who is not a wingnut!
I always use my own ID..thank you very much…
I wouldn’t want to embarass myself using yours.
By BFKaJ
July 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Dear George @ 2:02, as it now appears that Obama will embrace the Bush effort in Iraq, it will be comparatively easy for conservatives to continue our support. And since he has repudiated the jurisprudence – remember the leftist court that protected all child rapists? - that animates all justices other than Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts, he is coming to the conservative side. Now if we can only push him into attempting to cure the projected net contingent liability that shadows social security, he may prove to be a pretty good conservative.
By Inspector Clouseau
July 1, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
Ah Haa, it is I the one and only Inspector Clouseau here to solve the identity theft of one DUSTY…
This should be fairly obvious to anyone paying attention!
After my exhaustive investigation, I Inspector Clouseau have determinded that Dusty was theived by ..
Cato not now..Cato I am your boss..Cato…oops!
By Dusty
July 1, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
Ah, good inspector Clouseau, mon ami, you are but the icing on the cake. Already the confessions pour in and world peace has been declared.
Except for ‘dirty hairy’, whom we know went to Bob Jones University, as he MENTIONED it. My husband, who IS A GAMECOCK, doesn’t give a cockadoodle about such as ol’ dirty. (ME NEITHER!!!) So there!
Now comes George H. Washington, who asks the familiar and repetetive and fanciful insinuation which he thinks will make conservatives commit harikari. IF OBAMA IS PRESIDENT WILL YOU SUPPORT HIM LIKE YOU SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH??
First, I believe that Obama will be president just like I believe that you are George Washington.
Second, I would support Obama with all the same vigor and volume you libs have given to President Bush.
But that is pure fiddle faddle. I will vote for McCain who can survive two broken arms and one leg broken with a crushed hip while serving his country faithfully even in a POW camp. He’s the MAN! McCain 2008
Ah, dear Cato, give my regards to Inspector Clouseau and do untie him, s’il vous plait. My case is closed. On to a brave new world. Bon nuit!!
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this
Obama 08: America takes over.
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Obama 08: America takes over.
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Obama 08: America takes over.
By Abundant Pundit
July 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
You know, being the Abundant Pundit is cool, yes, and I love the attention and everything, but do you know why I’m the Abundant Pundit and you’re not? Because nobody can say Abundant Pundit three times real fast. Try it. It’s impossible. Not even experts in Swahili or Mandarin or Farci can say it.
That’s why I’m the Abundant Pundit, and it totally explains why the conservative diaper-loads on this blog are reduced to baking pies. Keep your hairpie to yourself, Dusty, you dried up, hagged out, over-rinsed, unkempt piece of unqweefed poon-bubble. (and idiot)
By Corey
July 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Yes to TADs. No to Obama expanding the office of Faith Based Initiatives. Hasn’t he had enough of crazy clergy?