Thinking Right

By rosa

June 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

He only distanced himself from his church when it became politically expedient to do so. To sit under that racist drivel for 20 years, I have to believe he is racist at heart. I’m sure Wright would advise him to “distance” himself in order to attain their ultimate goal. I pray that God will have mercy on us.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

It’s hilarious to see the successful, influential white man call the successful, influential black man racist.

By CD

June 2, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this

This is perhaps the first time I am actually afraid to vote for anyone. While I will have to go through the motions of the process, I know deep in my heart I have SERIOUS concerns reagarding the motives and morals of each and every one of these candidates. Seems we never learn anything and will continually bring forth the worst of the worst. This time the McCain, Clinton, Barrack “choices” are by far the ones that have my stomach sinking to new depths. I worry about our future and this time it is the “immediate” future I worry about.

By edj

June 2, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Regretfully, I believe both Jim and rosa are right. Very disappointing…

By A

June 2, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this

Funny…I wonder how many people, conservative or liberal, have been associated with someone who held views that can be deemed “inappropriate”? Why isn’t John McCain being berated in the same manner as Barack Obama? How can Hilary and Huckabee make statement about something as awful as assasination without so much as a whimper from the media and journalists? We all know why, even if you don’t want to admit it…and it isn’t right.

By voter

June 2, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this

Normally I read this column to see the latest hate spewed on it. However, today I have to state we are talking about RELIGION here not politics. People understand politics, you go with your feelings what you believe is right. People do not understand religion. Too many try to get into it because they go with their “feelings”. As did Obama. For long he did not have any religion, except the belief that he alone can make things happen. Then when he was doing is grass roots canvasing in Chicago, he attending this church. He had a feeling in the church and equated to God. Unfortunately for him and the others in the congregation, it was not God he was feeling. Unfortunately for him and the “Pastors” (they are not Man of God Pastors, they are Men Pastors) God was not being taught or allowed to move in that Church. What Obama is going through, some have gone through in the private of their own churches. He is realizing this is not God. Unfortunately for him he has to separate himself publically. Many have attended a Church and felt the Pastor was not preaching the Gospel and had to leave that church. This seems to happen much more now a days, since anyone can get a degree to be a Preacher and can start a church hence being a Pastor. But not everyone is actually CALLED to that pulpit. By the way just because they are called, it does not mean they stay listening to God. It is hard to Preach the Gospel. There are so many sins that we are to separate ourselves from and we be humans do not want to do it. If you keep reminding your congregation you are sinning, less will attend that means less money for you Preacher man.

Anyway, his distancing himself from his church does not reflect his leadership skills negatively. Regardless of where this election will lead him, if we are talking about his salvation (remember separation of Church and State) I see this as God pulling him away from the lies spewed from that Church and hopefully closer to his perfect will. If that is what God is doing and Obama is following his lead. Then Obama will be a great President, the best one is one that follows the Leadership of God and not of Man.

By Aquagirl

June 2, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Slick way to cut and run, Obama. I never knew an entire church could fit under a bus.

By A

June 2, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Funny…I wonder how many people, conservative or liberal, have been associated with someone who held views that can be deemed “inappropriate”? Why isn’t John McCain being berated in the same manner as Barack Obama? How can Hilary and Huckabee make statement about something as awful as assasination without so much as a whimper from the media and journalists? We all know why, even if you don’t want to admit it…and it isn’t right.

By Darnell is a racist

June 2, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this

Darnell you are truly a racist, and things will never change with the attitude you carry. Thank goodness beliefs like yours are few and far between. This is not a race issue, but when they have no other excuses people like Darnell play the race card.

By jbmlaw

June 2, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. The church-stuff is a side issue – I have previously published my “dot on a blank page” argument - and Jim Wooten’s final paragraph highlights the more interesting aspect of the Obama candidacy. He is a walking-talking gaffe machine. Ignore the 57 states, let’s talk about his foreign policy, his enthusiasm for “talking without preconditions” with leadership of Iran. Iran, now processing weapons-grade fissable materials, who proclaims the need for Israel to disappear from the face of the earth, who is the primary funding source of the last 2,000 deaths of American servicemen in Iraq. What’s his bargaining chip, or are the unpreconditioned talks mere show for American leftist consumption? He says he will unilaterally cut and run from Iraq, and thus hand a victory to the nearly-vanquished Al Qaeda – truly the mark of a strategic genius. I cannot decide whether the man is truly as naïve as his pretty words suggest, or if he is a malicious deceiver.

We have no need to talk about his domestic policy – he has none. Or if he has one, he conceals it – tax increases? Non-military spending cuts? This week Congress votes on whether to impose new pain on consumers with its carbon-trading bills. (Yes, I know they are trying to mask it, but the new expenses added to businesses will be passed on.) We will want to watch Obama’s vote – since he is not straight-forward in his domestic proposals, perhaps we can read the tea leaves.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Yo mama.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

All of this has come about because of statements people other than Obama have made in public. Hell, I lived in Alabama, a state known for its violent racism, for 24 years…a personal choice, I might add. And racism hasn’t rubbed off on me.

You might not be able to maintain your own independent identity, despite your social environment. But, there are many of us here who do it every day.

By Charles

June 2, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

If this was a predominantly white church, and the comments made inside were against blacks as opposed to whites, the lawsuits would be unending, the protests ceaseless, the negative media exposure constant, and the libel unfettered. Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.

By Cammi317

June 2, 2008 9:03 AM | Link to this

I could not care less about what is said in his church or anyone elses for that matter. What I do care about is if he can do the job in a fair and thorough manner. His private thoughts and his religion are his own.

By Just Nasty and Mean

June 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Now it is perfectly clear: Obama has no compass.

When it was politically expedient to be a part of that racist church—he was a member.

When it is not politically expedient—-he is not a member.

When he gets married and baptizes his children—he is religious—and “could no more disown Wright than the black community”.

Now, he severed his connections from both.

This guy has no “content of character” since it is abvious it blows with the wind.

To think Obama could use such tactics over many decades to become a candidate for president of the United States is not only scary—but sad.

We can do better. We had better do better!

By Taxpayer

June 2, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim.

I wonder. If the focus of your obsession were some aspect of John McCain’s life, for example, what would your comments look like? Any thoughts? How about providing us with your take on “fair and balanced” by giving us a side by side comparison of each candidate’s “pros and cons”. Come on, Jim. A little in-depth analysis can be a good thing, right? After all, as a “reporter” with connections and a budget, you are in a much better position than us average taxpaying citizens to gather and compile that information. Help us make an informed, unbiased choice. Tell us all about Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and John McCain. Please. There are plenty of people talking about Obama. Break out of that mold and discuss the other choices. Feel free to throw in a few words about Hillary if you want.

By Charles

June 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

If this was a predominantly white church, and the comments made inside were against blacks as opposed to whites, the lawsuits would be unending, the protests ceaseless, the negative media exposure constant, and the libel unfettered. Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.

By Randy

June 2, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Church is the last place that any kind of hatred should be heard. You won’t here that in my church. I think some African-American leaders and pastors, tell their constitutents and followers what they want to here. Basically, that they are still discriminated against and that is why they are not prosperious. I’m sure discrimination does still exist on some level, however, it isn’t anywhere near they level some African-Americans would like to believe. Telling people that they are discriminated against, hurts the ones being discriminated against mainly. Stop giving people an excuse on why they are not successful and tell them that everyone must overcome some sort of roadblocks to be successful. At least African-Americans know what that roadblock is, even if it is much less of an obstacle than some would like to believe. I personally treat people they way they perceive that I will treat them.

By GMAN

June 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

It is really sad when someone cannot make an honest slip of the tongue mistake by saying “57’ rather than “50” states. I think that we have trivialized what we want in a president. I want intelligence and honesty, something I haven’t seen in our highest office in a long time.

By Ray

June 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

Pfleger and Wright are both pandering to an audience that is anxious to hear about how much America owes them for past injustices. If these comments were stated in a white church, the church and the preacher would be labeled “racist” and condemned by everyone from Ted Kennedy to Maxine Waters. Double standard? The antics of the congregation, jumping up and down, laughing and clapping their hands at this drivel says a lot about the double standard and the congregation. Aren’t churches with a political message supposed to loose their tax exempt status by being a-political? The racial divide in this country is so wide that it is doubtful that we will be ready for a black president for another two or three generations, if ever. It is impossible for a black candidate to leave his ethnicity at the front door of the White House. Being proud of your heritage is one thing but idiotic rants made by church leadership and guest preachers have no place in our political system. Leader of the free world? I don’t think so.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Chucky wrote: “If this was a predominantly white church, and the comments made inside were against blacks as opposed to whites, the lawsuits would be unending, the protests ceaseless, the negative media exposure constant, and the libel unfettered. Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.”

Um, ever hear of Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas? That’s a hate-filled white church that is the target of ceaseless protests against their ceaseless protests and the target of constant negative media exposure. Do those gay haters think they are owed? In other words, what’s your flippin’ point l’il Chucky?

By Terri

June 2, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

It just amazes me how white people can sit here and judge someone because of where they go to church. Senator Obama stated that he also left the church because he didn’t want the church and it’s 8,500 members to be subjected to constant ridcule and gotcha politics. News reporters calling people in hospice and stealing bulletins. What church does John McCain or Hillary attend? You probably don’t know because you all are so busy trying to bash Obama for his religious affiliations. As mentioned above, Hillary can spew assination remarks and the meida ignores that. He was damned if he stayed there, now he is being damned for leaving. Make up your mind folks.

By DaveD

June 2, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Let’s talk about the “private prayer sessions” held at the white house between your former “talibangelical” leader Ted Haggard and Dubya. There is nothing that even comes CLOSE to that Jim.

If you want to talk about the character of a man…all one needs to look directly at is the one you voted into office TWICE. A horrible speaker, who lies over and over with that stupid smirk on his face. If that was the BEST the GOP had to offer for 8 years….it shows why Faux news became Number one. People are truly morons…yet those that vote for the gop are the just that much dumber than the average idiot.

Who’s a better VP choice for your gop ticket: Haggard, Craig, Foley? You have to admit they’re all pretty good! ;-)

By Eric

June 2, 2008 9:18 AM | Link to this

Obama’s religous preference is not the issue here. The real reason for all of the media publicity Obama and his church are receiving is the supposed problem many people with the good ole boy mentality seem to think that a persons skin pigmentation or lack of certain body parts will make a difference in how this country is maintained. I believe the true fact of the matter is this country needs fresh blood in office desperately male or female, black or white or for that matter any color. People need to realize this is a new era, the past is just that the past, let it go, there is no room in this day for it. So get over it. Grow up and try making a decision that will benefit the Nation not your own personal bigoted beliefs. Per a statement made earlier about hopeful thinkers and people fooling themselves, perhaps you need to quit fooling yourselves and realize that the world has changed and you refuse to acclimate to those changes. The people who have clung to the idea of oppression and segregation need to have an extra cup of coffee to get their heads straight so that they may understand better that time has changed and wounds that they and their ancestors had made are healing.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

HEADLINE IN URINAL READS: “CHILD KILLED BY ICE CREAM TRUCK” - So remember kiddies, Ice Cream kills, but not reliably….Church snobber is all the Repukes have, the senile McCancer Face is too stupid to remember his lines….Like Reagan in his last years, only slower….

By Darnell the typing Monkey

June 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

What candidate goes to WBC of Topeka because that sounds just as unacceptable as BO’s pastor’s rants. Stay with the subject Darnell.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Woodenhead be too stupid to do a compare and contrast, so as always, George is here to help:

Obama………………McCancerFace Smart………………Dumb Tall……………….Short Thin……………….Fat Sane……………….Insane Reasonable………….Fanatic Seasoned……………Burned Toast Honest……………..Liar

By Charles

June 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Darnell:

I have some advice. Read about Spartacus, a white slave who led a Roman uprising. It will give you a break from your NAACP / Rainbow Push / SCLC talking points which submit that only black African decendants were slaves. The best thing about Spartacus: he wasn’t sold into slavery by his own people for cheap molasses and rum like your ancestors were.

By Carol

June 2, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

This lastest triage of Obama’s former church is a set up. I believe that Hillary set the whole thing up, having the priest say those things to be captured on video and spewed all over Youtube and the news. People do you think that a church will willingly have a priest to say such things and put their church under more fire from the public? NO! this is an under handed snake in the grrass works of Hilllary and camp…Just think about it. She is trying everything she can to make Obama unfavorable. She even said she’s waiting out for him to be assassinated! Why is that not the hot topic instead holding a man for another man’s words….Come on this is insane. Obama can’t control what another person says no more than you or I can.

By Alvin

June 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

You call him a racist.His mother is white he was raised by his grandparent and his mother in Hawaii. His father is from Kenya was not really in his life,but since he has some Black blood in him he is this militant Black man.You guys need to get over your fears.If you have a drop of Black blood in you body all a sudden you are tainted. This is the year 2008 and still all I see in here is the fear and hate .People are still judge by the color of their skin (SAD).

By Alvin

June 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

You call him a racist.His mother is white he was raised by his grandparent and his mother in Hawaii. His father is from Kenya was not really in his life,but since he has some Black blood in him he is this militant Black man.You guys need to get over your fears.If you have a drop of Black blood in you body all a sudden you are tainted. This is the year 2008 and still all I see in here is the fear and hate .People are still judge by the color of their skin (SAD).

By tradamerica

June 2, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

“Church is the last place that any kind of hatred should be heard.”

amen

By Curious Observer

June 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Where were all these scornful people when predominately white fundamentalist churches were engaging in the “Southern Strategy” and using the church to promote political ideology and voting rallys? In fact, these churches still do. I suppose they never heard anything from the pulpit except the need to show love and accommodation toward minorities.

Sure, you’re all fair-minded and non-racist. And as soon as my pig starts flying, I plan to be wealthy.

By tradamerica

June 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

“Church is the last place that any kind of hatred should be heard.”

amen

By Whatever Man

June 2, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

The bigger question is - are we concerned about this large congregation who seemingly acts like wild children any time someone insults the USA or white people? The ones getting air time are merely the voices of what is clearly a large group of black people who hate America and white people. Is that concerning to anyone? What is the difference between them and the KKK? Both use religion as a cover to their hate-filled speech. Both are senseless and worthless but most importantly - dangerous. Think of the kids growing up in that church. Racism is an issue that won’t die in America because people won’t let it - on either side. Haters breed haters enough at home, no need to do it at church.

And the comparison between living in Alabama and Obama attending this church is a nice attempt but not the same. It is much easier to change where you drive on Sunday than where you live and work. So in theory it is a nice try but reality says that changing churches, especially in this day and age, is as easy as deciding on which fast food place to go eat at.

To me there are many troubling aspects of Obama but the most glaring hypocritical aspect is that he has built his following on “Change” and not doing politics as usual. But just like a wounded animal, when hurt you do what is most primal. Hurt by a church of 20 years, leave it. Hurt by people you call friend, leave them. And it makes sense, but the cause and effect relationship show it is all about politics. Stay with the church and the people long enough to get where you need to get and then dump them when they pull you in a different direction. Can’t wait to see if he’ll divorce his wife if she keeps saying stupid things.

Obama is politics as usual. He’s a slick, black version of Bill Clinton but his policies are going to be much more damaging. But who knows? If the democrats hurt his chances enough, he might leave the party. After all, he stands for change you know.

By peter

June 2, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

Wright didn’t say those things in one freaky sermon. He said them over 20 years, while Obama sat, listened, and for all we know, screamed amen along with the rest of them. He picked this church, went there for 20 years and now claims that adult choice of church is not important in deciding if he should be prez. Obama, you must think we are really stupid.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this

Hey Barb, you never did answer my question about UVA….

By Whatever Man

June 2, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

The bigger question is - are we concerned about this large congregation who seemingly acts like wild children any time someone insults the USA or white people? The ones getting air time are merely the voices of what is clearly a large group of black people who hate America and white people. Is that concerning to anyone? What is the difference between them and the KKK? Both use religion as a cover to their hate-filled speech. Both are senseless and worthless but most importantly - dangerous. Think of the kids growing up in that church. Racism is an issue that won’t die in America because people won’t let it - on either side. Haters breed haters enough at home, no need to do it at church.

And the comparison between living in Alabama and Obama attending this church is a nice attempt but not the same. It is much easier to change where you drive on Sunday than where you live and work. So in theory it is a nice try but reality says that changing churches, especially in this day and age, is as easy as deciding on which fast food place to go eat at.

To me there are many troubling aspects of Obama but the most glaring hypocritical aspect is that he has built his following on “Change” and not doing politics as usual. But just like a wounded animal, when hurt you do what is most primal. Hurt by a church of 20 years, leave it. Hurt by people you call friend, leave them. And it makes sense, but the cause and effect relationship show it is all about politics. Stay with the church and the people long enough to get where you need to get and then dump them when they pull you in a different direction. Can’t wait to see if he’ll divorce his wife if she keeps saying stupid things.

Obama is politics as usual. He’s a slick, black version of Bill Clinton but his policies are going to be much more damaging. But who knows? If the democrats hurt his chances enough, he might leave the party. After all, he stands for change you know.

By Whatever Man

June 2, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

The bigger question is - are we concerned about this large congregation who seemingly acts like wild children any time someone insults the USA or white people? The ones getting air time are merely the voices of what is clearly a large group of black people who hate America and white people. Is that concerning to anyone? What is the difference between them and the KKK? Both use religion as a cover to their hate-filled speech. Both are senseless and worthless but most importantly - dangerous. Think of the kids growing up in that church. Racism is an issue that won’t die in America because people won’t let it - on either side. Haters breed haters enough at home, no need to do it at church.

And the comparison between living in Alabama and Obama attending this church is a nice attempt but not the same. It is much easier to change where you drive on Sunday than where you live and work. So in theory it is a nice try but reality says that changing churches, especially in this day and age, is as easy as deciding on which fast food place to go eat at.

To me there are many troubling aspects of Obama but the most glaring hypocritical aspect is that he has built his following on “Change” and not doing politics as usual. But just like a wounded animal, when hurt you do what is most primal. Hurt by a church of 20 years, leave it. Hurt by people you call friend, leave them. And it makes sense, but the cause and effect relationship show it is all about politics. Stay with the church and the people long enough to get where you need to get and then dump them when they pull you in a different direction. Can’t wait to see if he’ll divorce his wife if she keeps saying stupid things.

Obama is politics as usual. He’s a slick, black version of Bill Clinton but his policies are going to be much more damaging. But who knows? If the democrats hurt his chances enough, he might leave the party. After all, he stands for change you know.

By Harry Coverston

June 2, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

The question he’s never answered is how and why he sat there for 20 years listening to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s brand of anti-Americanism.

Perhaps for the same reason that many of us sat through years of listening to subtle white racism from our own pulpits. Perhaps for the same reason many of us continue to sit listening to not so subtle messages of sexism and homophobia today. And perhaps for the same reason many of us lent our silent endorsement to misanthropy confused for religion and militarism confused for patriotism by our ongoing presence.

I see this column as little more than projection, frankly. And I see the ongoing attacks on Obama through his pastor as little more than proxy racism. Those of us who are the beneficiaries of unearned privilege in a white dominant society are probably not terribly anxious to own up to that fact and find endless creative ways to avoid it.

By Branden Wilhelm

June 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

obama and clinton always fight like cats and dogs. they are both as stubborn as the stupid moron that is president now. they refuse to know when to quit and that’s what is going to drive this country out of sorts

By jbmlaw

June 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

Our friend Darnell @ 9:09 hit the nail on the head. What would we think of John McCain or Hillary Clinton if he/she attended Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas? That is the perfect analogy for the personal history of Barack Obama. I think that is why the Obama story resonates.

By KnowItAll

June 2, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

To Terri @ 9:09

It amazes me how black people can sit there and watch reverse racist in motion—right in front of their eyes—and not be just as outraged at is as racism against them.

You’ve GOT to have your head in the sand or up your buff to think Obama left the church to save the members. He left the church to salvage his political ambitions! (along with his Christian credentials and “unifier” label. You don’t listen to that tripe for 20 years and it not become a part of you (and his family).

Believe me, I am no one to defend Hillary, but she was CREAMED on national TV for an entire weekend over her RFK assassination remarks, so don’t lay that one on us. We aren’t as dumb as you think.

We also aren’t dumb enough to think Trinity is the only black-hate church. For goodness sakes, I have seen it on TV on the public access channels in Atlanta!

Make up my mind?? You got it!! I wouldn’t vote for Barrack H. Obama for president if he were the only candidate because I simply don’t trust the man and have ample justification not to.

Go ahead, Terri—call me a racist. I fully expect it.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this

Here we go again with Al and Jesse comments. Here is a scoop for you people that feel these two guys speak for the entire African American culture….. They do not. So get over it. People are tired of the status quo and want new leadership. If it comes in a different package than the one’s that we have grown accustomed to, then so be it. God Bless America!

By chris

June 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

f off honky

By GMAN

June 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Poor Peter, From what source did you obtain what was said over 20 years? The sound bites that you have heard came from one sermon. Please enlighten me with actual facts.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Chucky, I saw Spartacus, starring Kirk Douglas. Why don’t you go watch Super Troopers, it will give you a break from pleasuring yourself to pictures of Moms Mably. And, as far as sticking with the subject, it seems like in response to L’il Chucky’s riff, Westboro is a pretty fair analogy, so the typing monkey can stfu and gfy. Have a great day, monkey. Hopefully, it will be your last.

By jbmlaw

June 2, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this

Dear Carol @ 9:26, would you call it a vast left-wing conspiracy?

By Manny

June 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

A famous preacher said something seemingly horrid. And he caused a lot of political people to ostracize him and even caused his death.

He said “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.” His name was Jesus.

His cousin, another preacher called the religious and political establishment a “Bunch of snakes.” (John the Baptist.

Jesus also said that “Except a Man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

Jesus said many controversial words, and became a political liability. I mean, why do you think he died on a Cross?

By Copyleft

June 2, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

The right-wing desperation is fun to watch. “Obama’s church… Obama’s church…” it’s all they’ve got on the man, and they’re flogging it for all they’re worth, hoping it’ll be enough to stop the revolution.

Too bad, losers. You’ve already lost, and a black man is our President. Suck it up!

Oh, and it’s always nice to see JBM repeating his tired claim that “Obama has no policy,” no matter how many times he’s been shown the details of Obama’s platform over and over and OVER again. With that kind of mindless, repetetive bleating, you’d be a natural for talk radio, JBM.

(snicker)

Ahh, it’s great to be a REAL American, and not a pathetic loser Republican!

By Alice Goldsmith

June 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

I am just worried why did Obama stay in that hate filled church for 20 years? I attend a Methodist Church and if I heard such things I would be gone in a” NEW YORK minute”. That is FAST. I support Hillary. Alice G.

By Bill in NC

June 2, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this

For good old fashioned conservative values vote for Bob Barr!

By Missing the Obvious

June 2, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

If you find that John McCain or Hillary Clinton attends a church that preaches the black-centric, hate-America diatribes, like the Trinity United CHURCH OF CHRIST, let us know. Otherwise, you’re just making excuses for a guy who drank this Kool-aid for twenty years and has suddenly found his AWOL conscience.

Live it, wear it, own it.

By Edward

June 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

It’s a matter of error in judgment; 20 YEARS WORTH!!

No presidential hopeful can ever live down a judgment mistake like Obama’s audacity to be member and ecstatic supporter of such a racist and inflammatory organization and its leaders.

NOBama, No way, Not Ever!!

McCain has my vote if Obama is the candidate.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

That’s a pretty much irrefutable point you make jbmlaw. But that’s not the one Charles was making. Or maybe he was, just not as plainly. I wasn’t sure what his point was and that’s why I challenged him.

The fact is, Obama is receiving lots of negative blowback from his choice of church. Those on the Republican side are spinning it one way and those on the Democratic side are spinning it the other. That’s the way the game is played, regardless of the races of those involved, n’est pas?

By MC

June 2, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

You can always tell non-church goers. They don’t understand that your church IS a reflection of your own views.

By CB

June 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

DaveD, you tickle me. GW is honestly FAR from the worst President in history. I won’t go into specifics, but take a peek at the exploits of Stonewall Jackson if you don’t believe that worse things have been done in the White House than many claim have occurred in the past eight years. And you don’t get to complain about the GOP (it’s an acronym, you capitalize it, btw) because, quite frankly, the Democrats did a simply wonderful job of digging up not one, but two candidates who were worse than GW. And now Obama terrifies me more than I dare to speak. If he steps into the White House, this country will be set back decades in international relations, domestic stability, and even the space race, which we have dominated for years. Please Hillary, light a fire under the right people and get that nomination!! - My $0.02

By Bob L

June 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Anyone investigated McCain’s church? Hilary’s? I’m sure we’d find plenty more to talk about. Of course McCain went from a conservative Baptist to a liberal Episcopal. Anyone discussing that?

By GMAN

June 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

Poor Alice Goldsmith, from what source did you obtain what was said over 20 years? The sound bites that you have heard came from one sermon. Please enlighten me with actual facts.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Well, the field looks weak this year, so George is coming out of retirement to run for President: Vote for George Washington for President…….Honor thy father…

By Max Factor

June 2, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

My apologies to Three Dog Night…

Jeremiah was my minister. He was a good friend of mine. I never renounced a single word he said ‘Til I had to protect my behind….

By Jennie

June 2, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

I gently suggest you all read and re-read the comments posted by Eric and by Curious Observer. They are the only sane comments I have read in this useless, nasty exchange. I wonder why so many writings are filled with such hate? It appears to me that the finger-pointing people are in fact mirror images of what they are denouncing. Take a breath, smile, and move on, everyone!

By j davis

June 2, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

What’s not being reported is that Rev. Michael Pfleger was also a member of Obama’s campaign staff. I guess you want us to know only half truth.

By angry black man

June 2, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Obama did what he had to do if he wants a chance at the white house. He understands whether he throws Trinity under the bus or not he is still a black man with a chance at the big seat, which some people have a problem with. So why do it? This entire ordeal hopefully will open the eyes of all blacks as to how things havent changed much over the last 40 yrs.

By Carol

June 2, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

@jbmlaw you bet it’s a consipracy..what else could it be? No one ever knew or could even imagine that a black man would make it this far in a race for the presidency. For Obama to make it this far with the support from all races, even people from other countries supports him, and if they could vote they would vote for him too.

By Ray

June 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Not one candidate for president ever attended that wingnut church in Kansas. The analogy doesn’t fit.

By KGC

June 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

Probably the most cogent and concise commentary I have yet read on this matter.

Defenders of Senator Obama always talk about “context” and that these comments by Wright and Pfleger must be taken within said context. Well, I’d like to know what “context” could possibly exist that would justify or clarify these hateful verbal screeds. And just because these comments may have some logical context that would explain them makes them no more acceptable or less hateful. Just because I’m white doesn’t mean I don’t know racist and sexist hatred when I hear it. To say (as Senator Obama has said) that I, as a white person, have “an untrained ear” is not only insulting, it’s just plain wrong. My ear is plenty well-trained, Senator. It knows hatred when it hears it, and I don’t need you or any black person, only guilty white person, telling me that I just don’t understand. It is you, sir, who apparently doesn’t understand, and in November it is going to cost you the election. In short, you have a big, big problem, and that is acquitting yourself of charges that you sat quietly in the pews of a church listening to racist rants and, in your silence, tacitly endorsed that hatred.

By Jonathan Field

June 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

“He’s a slick, black version of Bill Clinton” — wow, that’s an amazing compliment. Sounds like just about the best thing I could imagine for the US right now. The Clinton presidency was the best of my life, and the Bush presidency has been the worst.

I’ll never understand how anyone watching the practical effects of each administration on this country could possibly feel otherwise. Only self-delusion could have someone thinking the current GOP leadership was a good thing.

Here’s my hope: Obama becomes the president, and returns the US to a place of respect in the world and my heart. P** on that if you want, but what in the world are you hoping for?

By dumbamericans

June 2, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

dumb silly americans are at it again. Speculating about things that they know absolutely nothing about.

I have news for you Anyone who claims to be proud of this country in light of what this country currently stands for.

Every government official since 1913 has been a traitor. the ones who tried to make change were assasinated.

The constitution has been suspended and our civil liberties are under attack thanks to the unpatriotic act.

By Nudelman

June 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

This article is dead on. How could Obama have sat at the church for 20 years and said “Amen” to similar idiotic anti-White messages? Obama has no answer.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this

Some of you people are funny as he**. If you feel Obama is not the man for the job, then you can simply not vote for him and be done with it. The pattern that I am seeing here on this blog and others is that people are searching for ways to convince themselves not to vote for Obama. What’s next? Someone will find out that his grandmother didn’t pay her property taxes in 1956. She is labelled a tax cheat and no doubt if she is a tax cheat, Obama has to be one too. LOL!

By Carol

June 2, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

I don’t appreciate hate, the church is no where such comments are to be made. Sad thing, some churches have become so engaged in politics that it has lost what they are supposed to be doing and that is saving souls not playing politics.

By Quentin

June 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

Just the same old racist Jim Crow south rearing its ugly head.No attempt to understand Wright, or his tradition, or the grounding of his style in the prophetic books of the Bible. No attempt to balance the bad of Wright by showcasing some of his wonderful sermons. Just ugly racist diatribe. I pray to God that as President Mr. Obama can lead us beyond this sort of thing.

By MLK was correct

June 2, 2008 9:58 AM | Link to this

MLK was correct - judge him by the content of his character

he lives in a house paid for by a bribe

he sits in a pew for 20 years listening to hate speech

he serves on a board with someone who bombed the us capitol

vote for hillary or mccain

By Mar

June 2, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

Nice, you managed to justify characterizing Reverent Wright with a sound-byte by using another sound-byte. Way to report. If you need to sit through 300 hours of video to get a 5-minute anti-American sound-byte, you might want to wonder whether Wright is really anti-American.

Or you can write a polarizing right-wing article. Your choice.

By Janet - A True Conservative

June 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

By definition that institution in Chicago cannot even be called a church. It is a political, biased, tax exempt, hate-filled, self-praising organization. The point of this being that Obama even affiliated himself with the ideas of that racist organization scares the average American who believes in democracy. Would you vote for President of this great United States if he had attended and participated in the Westboro Baptist “Church” of Topeka, KS. I know I wouldn’t. It is definitely not a matter of white or black. It is the ability to represent all people without prejudice. Obama, with his background and influence from his environment of Chicago CANNOT do this. Just as someone from Westboro could not. John McCain is a man of integrity and character and no one can deny that. Thank God at least someone running for President is a man of morals and ethics. He has never practiced Al-taqiyya.

By Janet - A True Conservative

June 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

By definition that institution in Chicago cannot even be called a church. It is a political, biased, tax exempt, hate-filled, self-praising organization. The point of this being that Obama even affiliated himself with the ideas of that racist organization scares the average American who believes in democracy. Would you vote for President of this great United States if he had attended and participated in the Westboro Baptist “Church” of Topeka, KS. I know I wouldn’t. It is definitely not a matter of white or black. It is the ability to represent all people without prejudice. Obama, with his background and influence from his environment of Chicago CANNOT do this. Just as someone from Westboro could not. John McCain is a man of integrity and character and no one can deny that. Thank God at least someone running for President is a man of morals and ethics. He has never practiced Al-taqiyya.

By weglarz

June 2, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

I just want to know, when obamas grandmother and family comes to visit, will they put mud huts on the WHITE house lawn? And I heard rev wright wants to change the name of the WHITE house.

By Thom

June 2, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

(Quote)By Eric “All of this has come about because of statements people other than Obama have made in public. Hell, I lived in Alabama, a state known for its violent racism, for 24 years…a personal choice, I might add. And racism hasn’t rubbed off on me.”

But did you attend Klan meetings for 20 years?

By Jennie's A Cross-Dresser

June 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

Jennie the Cross-Dressier @ 9:50 AM

Neither their comments nor your drivel warrants a re-read. Their BS & your BS is the same no matter how pleasantly it’s purveyed.

Live it, wear it, own it.

By Bob

June 2, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

This country has my head spinning.We will alway put to the side of good,for the copious love for gossip,and making judgements about someone who had never spoken any of these words,that came from the mouth of someone other than his own.If this person get a ticket for speeding,should someone else be blamed.I don’t think so,and if you do,I really feel sorry for you,because someday your going to be judged,and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be held hostage because of what someone else said or did.

By KGC

June 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

An excellent and fair commentary.

What always strikes me is the insistence by Obama supporters that we consider “context” as we judge these hateful verbal screeds. Exactly what “context” is it that would possibly justify this sort of hate!? And even if the proper context could be established, are the comments any less hateful and hurtful? racist and sexist?

As to the assertion (as even Senator Obama has made it himself) that there are those among us who suffer from an “untrained ear” and can’t possibly appreciate what only appear to be racist and sexist comments, I can only respond that my ear is trained just fine, Senator, and, like obscenity, I know it when I see it and hear it, context be damned.

In short, Senator Obama is in a bad way. He sat in the pews of that church, and in his twenty years of silence tacitly approved of and gave his imprimatur to the likes of Wright and Pfleger and their hatred. Many, many Americans seem to feel that requires some explanation. To date, the silence has been deafening.

By Tom

June 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

Wow, what comments. Guys, let’s be honest for a second here, ok?

First of all, I am a white man. I am a white man who knows first-hand that racism is alive and well in this country. I see it every day.

I see many white people speak and act overtly racist. Strangely, I see a lot of black people speak and act overtly racist towards whites. The funny thing is, I think the racist black people think that there are a lot more racist white people than there really are. And don’t even get me started on our country’s racist policy towards muslims. It was really nice of us to “liberate” the Iraqi people… as a matter of fact, so far we’ve “liberated” about a million of them of their lives.

Many people here have made the point that Obama is under a magnifying glass that no white candidate would have to endure; they are right (remember, we’re being honest).

Folks, we need to get past this. No one is going anywhere, black, white, muslim, hindu, whatever. It’s time to level the field and let the past be the past.

To the black people who think they’re owed something special: Surprise! You’re never gonna get it. Too many black folks are living successful lives on their own terms for anyone to believe that some racist redneck is holding YOU back.

To the white people who think that blacks are ruining the country: Surprise! You’re blaming other people for your own laziness. Get off your butt and make your life happen.

By Bob

June 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

This country has my head spinning.We will alway put to the side of good,for the copious love for gossip,and making judgements about someone who had never spoken any of these words,that came from the mouth of someone other than his own.If this person gets a ticket for speeding,should someone else be blamed.I don’t think so,and if you do,I really feel sorry for you,because someday your going to be judged,and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be held hostage because of what someone else said or did.

By Bob

June 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Link to this

This country has my head spinning.We will alway put to the side of good,for the copious love for gossip,and making judgements about someone who had never spoken any of these words,that came from the mouth of someone other than his own.If this person gets a ticket for speeding,should someone else be blamed.I don’t think so,and if you do,I really feel sorry for you,because someday your going to be judged,and I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be held hostage because of what someone else said or did.

By Mark

June 2, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Whites have been bending over backwards to accomodate the black vindictiveness. Blacks can say whatever the hell they want to say and whites let it go. Let a white man say something negative about a black and all of a sudden, you’re the pariah, rode out of town. This needs to stop and the whites really should stop pandering to the B.S. that racist blacks throw out.

Blacks are voting for Obama at a 90 percent plus rate. Do you really think they give a crap about his politics or about his color?

Now that’s real racism for ya.

By KGC

June 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

An excellent and fair commentary.

What always strikes me is the insistence by Obama supporters that we consider “context” as we judge these hateful verbal screeds. Exactly what “context” is it that would possibly justify this sort of hate!?And even if the proper context could be established, are the comments any less hateful and hurtful? racist and sexist?

As to the assertion (as even Senator Obama has made it himself) that there are those among us who suffer from an “untrained ear” and can’t possibly appreciate what only appear to be racist and sexist comments, I can only respond that my ear is trained just fine, Senator, and, like obscenity, I know it when I see it and hear it, context be damned.

In short, Senator Obama is in a bad way. He sat in the pews of that church, and in his twenty years of silence tacitly approved of and gave his imprimatur to the likes of Wright and Pfleger and their hatred. Many, many Americans seem to feel that requires some explanation. To date, the silence has been deafening.

By Cammi317

June 2, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

J Davis - the priest was removed as part of Obama’s campaign staff MORE than 2 weeks before his outburst occurred. The sermon was probably payback for same.

By AnnD

June 2, 2008 10:09 AM | Link to this

I am extremely disappointed with Mr. Obama. I wanted to like him, but even more important, at this point I don’t trust him. I believe he is what was once described as a “social climber” whose raw ambition causes him to talk down to Americans with his flowery speech, and who has a track record of being more interested in identifying with the “in crowd” (Exelon, oil companies, watered down legislation for cronies, unethical campaign practices in 1996, using lobbyists until a month ago while pretending not to, etc., than he is with improving the safety and quality of life for ALL Americans. I am truly afraid for the country because I believe he is insincere and extremely self centered. I do not identify him with FDR or JFK who both went out on big limbs to care for their country. And yet he is extremely popular no matter how unethical he is. I am so disappointed.

Now democrats are stuck with a clever politician who has a track record of deviousness and deceit and whose ego knows no boundaries.

I am also concerned that Obama’s “frenzied” followers will vote for him anyway and that John McCain will be left behind for his “out of style” beliefs. I wonder how many others feel this way.

By Ray

June 2, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Jonathan Field,

“Obama returns us to a place of respect in the world”? Mr. Field, I am hoping for an America that is not in danger from an outside threat that puts mine and my grandchildren’s future in doubt. I am hoping for a president who can deal with all of the hate that most other countries have for us. I am hoping for a president with BALLS who is willing and able to let the rest of the world know that we will not put up with that s* and are on fair notice that if they do, they will pay the price.These people will not respond to being charmed to death, Mr. Field or have you not been tuned into what’s going on the Middle East? They want your head on a pole, Mr. Field and if you want to keep your head where it should be, instead of up your buff, you better hope that we have a president that can respond to any threat and do with finality and precise vision. That is the only language that these idiots understand, or have you not noticed?

By Susan

June 2, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

I have never seen Mr. Wooten so carefully attack any other politician for their church membership. I have never seen the AJC ask catholic politicians to retire their membership because of the pedophile scandal. I have never seen Jewish politician asked to resign fro a synagogue for ties to Zionist groups in Israel who break the law and regularly make racist statements about Arabs. I have never seen Wooten denounce politicians with ties to Falwell or Hagee (Why would McCain lean on his endorsement knowing his politics?)

By RinSF

June 2, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

Pure Republican spin. They found the most outragous person in Obama’s acquaintance used them to attack Obama as being a radical black man. Complete nonsense. And while we’re looking at candidates actual opinions, let’s look at what the repubs have done to our budget, economy, reputation, middle class, and world for eight years? We are not electing Rev. Wright: but do you really want to elect any republican after that?

By AnnD

June 2, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this

I am extremely disappointed with Mr. Obama. I wanted to like him, but even more important, at this point I don’t trust him. I believe he is what was once described as a “social climber” whose raw ambition causes him to talk down to Americans with his flowery speech, and who has a track record of being more interested in identifying with the “in crowd” (Exelon, oil companies, watered down legislation for cronies, unethical campaign practices in 1996, using lobbyists until a month ago while pretending not to, etc., than he is with improving the safety and quality of life for ALL Americans. I am truly afraid for the country because I believe he is insincere and extremely self centered. I do not identify him with FDR or JFK who both went out on big limbs to care for their country. I am so disappointed.

Now democrats are stuck with a clever politician who has a track record of deviousness and deceit and whose ego knows no boundaries. The republicans have a gentleman who is perceived as out of touch with America’s direction.

I wonder how many others feel this way.

By Diggy Zazz

June 2, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

Trinity is a hater’s church.

By T

June 2, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Who cares?

By weglarz

June 2, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

President McCains first job,

track down Democrats, and have

someone pound brains into their

empty heads.

.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

Well, George hates Repukes, Neocons, and the Clintons…as well as all sitting and formerly sitting members of congress, and George cannot stand liberals, they just whine too much fer George’s nerves….Thank god fer the Wigs and the Torries….

By Gee

June 2, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this

I hear alot of talk about how can he sit the pews for 20 years and listen to Rev. Wright. Well what make you think that was all Rev. Wright talked about. Where are the other sound bites from the other sermons? You know they are recorded also!!! Oohhh I see there is only 1 soundbite taken out of context and then magnified negatively!!! Wake up folks you are being fed garbage!!!! Base your view off the candidates position on the main issues…

By R U Kidding

June 2, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this

AM confused!!!

RECEIVED THIS, AND NOW I AM MORE CONFUSED THAN I WAS BEFORE …. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT:

HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, MUSLIM, BLACK - WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS ‘AFRICAN FAMILY’

HIS MOTHER IS A KANSAN, ATHEIST, WHITE - WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS KANSAN, WHITE MOTHER AND HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND WENT BACK TO HIS FAMILY (WHOSE FAMILY ?) IN KENYA ?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL

HIS MOTHER RETURNED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE KANSAN GRANDPARENTS ?WHEN ?

HE LATER WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR SCHOOLS, HOW?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER…. HOW?

HE ‘WORKED’ AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO - HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POST, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE

HE IS PROUD OF HIS ‘AFRICAN HERITAGE’ BUT IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY AFRICAN CONNECTION WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER.

I DIDN’T KNOW THAT SPERM CARRIED A ‘CULTURAL’ GENE.

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS WHITE CULTU RE?

HE GOES TO A ‘AFROCENTRIC’ CHURCH THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD’S PERCEIVED FAULTS AND THEN REPEATEDLY COVERS UP FOR THE PASTOR AND THE CHURCH

HE CLAIMS THAT HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN,&nb sp;

YEAH, RIGHT!!!

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW HE COULD BE A ‘UNITER’ AND BRING US TOGETHER, I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER UNTIL AFTER THE ‘ELECTION’ …

LIKE I SAID AT THE START, ’ I AM CONFUSED !!!! ‘

HOW ABOUT YOU ???

By Eric

June 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

To Thom@ 10:03

Technically you can say I did attend a KLAN meeting everyday. Small towns in Alabama are not very minority friendly.

By Gee

June 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

I hear alot of talk about how can he sit the pews for 20 years and listen to Rev. Wright. Well what make you think that was all Rev. Wright talked about. Where are the other sound bites from the other sermons? You know they are recorded also!!! Oohhh I see there is only 1 soundbite taken out of context and then magnified negatively!!! Wake up folks you are being fed garbage!!!! Base your view off the candidates position on the main issues…

By Disgusted

June 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Wow! Some of the conservatives on this blog are betraying desperation. If the best they can do is to attack Obama’s church, they are really in a bad way. How is it that a black man is so close to the presidency? Has the Old South lost its clout?

By the way, what is McCain’s church? Does he ever attend church? Does his church look fondly on his adulterous affair with the woman who became his current wife? Does it approve of the Keating Five scandal?

The world is waiting for more information. It’s pretty hard to hang the albatross of McCain’s pastor around his neck if we don’t know who that pastor is. Do tell.

By Jo

June 2, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

I am a black man and will vote for him regardless…but I wonder if McCain had being associated with a White group if anyone will give him a pass as the media has done to Obama?

Maybe this a precedence where one is no longer linked to whom they associate with. Carriers of many white male where destroyed becos of this.

By Alec

June 2, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this

This is left-on-left crime, recall. For an intellectual candidate to have sat under such may simply prove that Barak is contra-mundane. If not, then he’s likely absorbed it.

Thou Conservative, don’t forget Rev. Johnathan Edwards was part of the UCC’s ancestor-church, the New England Congregationalists. Now, John wasn’t so pro-American with his Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

Would you allow Johnathan Edwards to preach such to you and yours at First Uplifting PositiveSpin Church of the new conservan-gelical? If so, then you have my best regards.

Alec

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

time to burn a cross apparently thinks and shamelessly pukes out that only people of colour abuse crack cocaine. That’s news to Ryan O’Neal, you blowhard wankpig.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

The bank run on Lehman has started…check yahoo….Bear will have company….

By Kathy

June 2, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

Too little, too late Obama.

By Roc-a-fella

June 2, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

America is doomed because we have a silly, selfish and pathetic electorate that consistently votes against their interest because their too stupid to think things through.

Whomever supports Billary may be a certified special education student or owe the Clintons a favor. If the entire suspension of the gas tax idea didn’t run you off (not a single economist thought this would be successful, NOT ONE), if the fact that a sitting president of the USA lied under oath didn’t run you off, if the fact that she’s made several racist remarks (the black man can’t win the poor, ignorant white working class vote) didn’t run you off, and if her support of a bankruptcy reform bill that truly benefits the powerful financial institutions on Wall Street and in no way benefits the working-class people that are struggling to make ends meet (can we say influenced by the SPECIAL INTERESTS), you should pay $10.00 per gallon and lose your house because you’re an idiot!!!

If people actually want to hold the actions of Obama’s pastor and, more importantly, the actions of a visiting pastor against Obama, you’re an idiot and a joke!!! I implore anyone on this blog to give me an example of Obama being racist. Not someone with some link to Obama being racist, but an example of OBAMA BEING A RACIST. ONE EXAMPLE. By the way, please remember that his mother and grandparents are white and he’s biracial. I think that makes it a little difficult to say he hates white people when he’s bi-racial, you idiots.

In closing, for all of you that make this silly argument that Obama lacked judgment for going to the same church for 20 years listening to hate-filled rhetoric, follow me on this little intellectual journey. It might hurt because, clearly, many of you peons don’t exercise your brain much, but stay with me and I’ll try not to lose you.

First of all, there are approximately 1040 Sundays in 20 years. If you count Wednesday night bible study messages, you’re looking at nearly 2100 opportunities for Pastor Wright to speak to his congregation. We have heard a total of 3 controversial sermons. THREE!!! That’s 3 one-thousandths (.003) of the total Sunday sermons, excluding bible study messages on Wednesday that would make the number even more miniscule (small for the slow people).

There’s no proof that there’s been more than three controversial sermons. I’m sure given the magnitude of this story and the intense scrutiny on the church, we would know if there were more. Clearly, there’s not! When you think of it this way, what’s the problem? On top of all of this, its been confirmed that Obama was not present for any of the three controversial sermons that we’ve seen in the media.

Let’s not be losers here and miss an opportunity to show the rest of the world that America is not the bastion of racism that everyone in the outside world thinks it is. Let’s stop trying to find silly reasons to not elect a true change-agent (show me another politician that has not taken money from the special interest and I’ll show you a change agent).

Let’s elect Obama in ‘08!!!

By weglarz

June 2, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

. What oBOMBya should say to the monkey brained LOSERS in LIFE FREELUNCHERS; Vote for me and I will make sure those rich WHITE folk will pay for and supply all your needs. Now be honest, isn’t that the whole truth and nothing but the truth of his campaign…….. A FREE LUNCH. .

By abl

June 2, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I’m not pleased that we are stuck with a choice between McCain and Obama. Anybody up for a parliamentary system of government? The Execute Branch is failing us, it allows the worst and slickest “talents” of the parties to sneak in an steal power.

By ron

June 2, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Good morning all,Carol thinks Hillary did it.I think Carol may be out to lunch a lot.I think Obama did it.Obama sat through 20 years of Wright spewing his nonsense and Never said I,you,boo, or anything.That’s a long time to listen to that which you don’t agree.That congregation apparently agrees with everything that is said.Think about your maybe next President jumping up and screaming ‘AMEM BROTHER”,to some of the drivel espoused by the Rev.Wright.Think about it before you cast your vote. Obama’s church is definitely an issue with voters,as well it should be.Compare Hillary or mC Cain attending Westboro for 20 years and see how that sits with you.I wouldn’t trust either one of them just like I don’t trust Obama now.

By ###

June 2, 2008 10:49 AM | Link to this

Darnell@9:09

The difference is that Westboro Baptist Church is widely accepted to be a cauldron of hatred, and no presidential candidate would allow themselves to be associated with it in any way.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

You could always write in mah name, its spelled “George Washington.”

By WTF

June 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

WHO GIVES A FVCK ABOUT ALL OF YOU PREJUDICED HATERS!!!!! IF THIS MAN WERE WHITE, THIS ISSUE WOULD HAVE DIDED A LONG TIME AGO. I DON’T SEE ANYBODY ASKING WHY BILLARY HAD WRIGHT UP IN THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER THE MONICA SCANDAL!!!! OBAMA IS THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

SUCH IGNORANCE!!!!

By BS Aplenty

June 2, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

George @10:30 AM

Thomas Jefferson says you’re losing it, man. Apparently, you’ve stayed in the cold too long at Valley Forge or the termites in your teeth have eaten through to your brain.

BTW, I get brain freezes after drinking a Slurpee too fast - I feel your pain…ouch.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this

The 57 states thing is something anybody could do. He was thinking about a cheeseburger with lettuce and tomato, Heinz 57 and french fried potato, a big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer. See, could happen to any of us.

By AmVet

June 2, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

The more a candidate downplays their favorite mythology - Christian, Jewish, Islamic, whatever - the better they are capable of serving the best interests of this secular nation.

Left or right. Conservative or liberal.

With the explosion of religious frauds inside the Inner Sanctums of government these days, we desperately need to implement a Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Pursue policy!

By Ray

June 2, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Mr. Field,

Have you not noted that there are no Muslim democracies in the world? All are dictator lead countries with an power driven agenda aimed at domination of other people, a lot of them white. Have you noted that most every country in the world that is not controlled and maintained by a white majority is some form of oppressive government? We have few true friends in this world, Mr. Field. Most want our foreign aid but few are willing to back us during a crisis. Exceptions….. Australia, the UK, Germany, France, Spain, New Zealand and maybe Japan (although Asian). Pick one in Africa, the Middle East, South and Central America or Asia that has warm fuzzies or Americans, Mr. Field. I’m waiting. Our die is cast with these countries, Mr. Field. Hell, they won’t even accept free aid relief in Burma from Americans. And Mr. Obama is ready to handle this debacle with his state political history and one term in the Senate? You must live in some fantasy world, Mr. Field. An you can vote!!

By Redneck Convert

June 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

To this George Washington:

Just give it up. The people on this blog wouldn’t give a plug nickel to me when I was running for President and you won’t do no better. I even give them the address to send the money to. Which is more than I can say for you.

All I got to say is they’ll be sorry.

By Young Atheart

June 2, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

When they could not find radical video clips over twenty years showing Barrack in the audience – they created one to radicalize his church by targeting Hillary. The Pfleger video was a Chicago style hit-job designed to split the democratic party a week before the last primaries and the DNC rule meeting. It was only possible due to the sensation-seeking TV media that had spent a solid month looping out-of-context video and trivial analysis defaming and endangering a congregation with a long record for work for the poor in Chicago. Hillary had piled on at the time. Ofcourse the congregation celebrated Pfleger’s counter-punch since it was delivered by a visiting white priest from an entirely different Christian denomination….as if to say “see we are not crazy, everyone thinks this way”

As to Pfleger’s motives, why would he 1) duplicate Wright’s theatrical performance, 2) one week before the final primaries, 3) at Wright’s old pulpit and 4) pick a personal fight that was never his to begin with against the opposing democratic candidate, especially 5) when it is nearly won, 6) using race as the argument. 7) Amazingly there just happened to be a camera-person in the audience that posted to Youtube within two days. The intended audience was the national TV media!

Pfleger’s long-term mutual support with Obama is peanuts when compared to what he could get for his ministry in such a high stake drama with only a slap on the wrist from the archdioces! Obama did what he had to do try to get the conversation in America back to real issues and to save his congregation from more personal attacks.

By KinMapper

June 2, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

“Supporters and critics have likened Obama’s popular image to a cultural Rorschach test, a neutral persona on whom people can project their personal histories and aspirations.”

[Apt quote from Obama biography at www.wikipedia.org]

The neutrality of his persona evaporates with the hatefilled, audience-cheered sermons of a church of certain and fanatic anti-American black racists.

These soundbites, supplemented by Michelle Obama’s claims of never once being proud of America as an adult (as a child we must presume Michelle was fooled by America’s p.r.) until her guy was leading the race and that America is a mean country, will (and truly must be) played over and over again in September, October and November, not just because of how very harsh they are, but how unquestionably relevant they are in figuring out the underlying personas of this new version of “Jack and Jackie” and changing it from unrealistic neutral to what these words inevitably imply.

How did the Obamas, if beyond race in their goals and philosophy and now the campaign of Change, miss the cheering church members standing and clapping with each racist or anti-American remark through the many years. And if never there during such tirades, as was first claimed falsely, how was Obama and spouse so naive as not to learn the true nature of their church and its nasty racist diatribe.

Until these questions are addressed all must doubt Obama’s version of the Steven Colbear (Colbert) schtick that I-do-not-see-race which his wife and Rev. Wright and the Catholic priest most Obama supporters claim is not Obama’s guy (but for whom Obama obtained hundreds of thousands of Illinois taxpayer money through earmarks—separation of church and state being not a problem here it seems) all make clear that is just false platitudes of a most slick politician.

By Blind Homer

June 2, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

If you take away all the black racism and the white guilt there’s little of substance and even fewer voters left.

By R U Kidding

June 2, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

AM confused!!!

RECEIVED THIS, AND NOW I AM MORE CONFUSED THAN I WAS BEFORE …. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT:

HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, MUSLIM, BLACK - WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS ‘AFRICAN FAMILY’

HIS MOTHER IS A KANSAN, ATHEIST, WHITE - WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS KANSAN, WHITE MOTHER AND HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND WENT BACK TO HIS FAMILY (WHOSE FAMILY ?) IN KENYA ?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS SCHOOLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL

HIS MOTHER RETURNED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE KANSAN GRANDPARENTS ?WHEN ?

HE LATER WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR SCHOOLS, HOW?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER…. HOW?

HE ‘WORKED’ AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO - HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POST, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE

HE IS PROUD OF HIS ‘AFRICAN HERITAGE’ BUT IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY AFRICAN CONNECTION WAS THAT HIS AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER.

I DIDN’T KNOW THAT SPERM CARRIED A ‘CULTURAL’ GENE.

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS WHITE CULTU RE?

HE GOES TO A ‘AFROCENTRIC’ CHURCH THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD’S PERCEIVED FAULTS AND THEN REPEATEDLY COVERS UP FOR THE PASTOR AND THE CHURCH

HE CLAIMS THAT HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN,&nb sp;

YEAH, RIGHT!!!

YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW HE COULD BE A ‘UNITER’ AND BRING US TOGETHER, I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER UNTIL AFTER THE ‘ELECTION’ …

LIKE I SAID AT THE START, ’ I AM CONFUSED !!!! ‘

HOW ABOUT YOU ???

By Young Atheart

June 2, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

When they could not find radical video clips over twenty years showing Barrack in the audience – they created one to radicalize his church by targeting Hillary. The Pfleger video was a Chicago style hit-job designed to split the democratic party a week before the last primaries and the DNC rule meeting. It was only possible due to the sensation-seeking TV media that had spent a solid month looping out-of-context video and trivial analysis defaming and endangering a congregation with a long record for work for the poor in Chicago. Hillary had piled on at the time. Ofcourse the congregation celebrated Pfleger’s counter-punch since it was delivered by a visiting white priest from an entirely different Christian denomination….as if to say “see we are not crazy, everyone thinks this way”

As to Pfleger’s motives, why would he 1) duplicate Wright’s theatrical performance, 2) one week before the final primaries, 3) at Wright’s old pulpit and 4) pick a personal fight that was never his to begin with against the opposing democratic candidate, especially 5) when it is nearly won, 6) using race as the argument. 7) Amazingly there just happened to be a camera-person in the audience that posted to Youtube within two days. The intended audience was the national TV media!

Pfleger’s long-term mutual support with Obama is peanuts when compared to what he could get for his ministry in such a high stake drama with only a slap on the wrist from the archdioces! Obama did what he had to do try to get the conversation in America back to real issues and to save his congregation from more personal attacks.

By ###

June 2, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this

GMAN@9:38am

Fair point, but has anyone associated with Trinity UCC yet claimed that the one sermon of Rev. Wright’s that has received so much attention was not indicative of his sermons over the past twenty years?

As a Democrat, I can tell you that there are plenty of us who want to support Obama but have serious issues with his inability to explain his twenty years in a church that has, fairly or unfairly, been presented as being anti-American. If the Senator can offer up a reasonable explanation, or even better some evidence that a typical Sunday at Trinity was much more mundane than what we’ve seen on the news and youtube, then I’m inclined to support him.

By Brown-Eyed Girl!

June 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Thanks you, Tom! Well said!

By weglarz

June 2, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this

Billary and oBOMBya supporters

= LOSERS IN LIFE

FREE LUNCHERS

Uneducated because they have

Monkey Brains

All they want is the rich

to supply all their needs..

I love the rich , if it

wasn’t for them, nobody

would have a job,,,,,,,,,,

I’m sick of you Democrat

LOSERS IN LIFE..

GET a job or life…

……Do you LOSERS know

your taxes will go up 3 times

as much if oBOMBya gets elected

thats if you even have a job LOSERS

………

By GaNative

June 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Did whites leave the country when racism was openly practiced in America? Then why should you expect someone to leave their church because of a lousy preacher. Preachers are idiots, just look at what comes out of the mouths of folks like Pat Robertson and the others. Every candidate has had some lousy preacher say something that makes you wonder. The Clinton’s former pastor was convicted for messing with a 7 year old girl. Obama recently had a white catholic priest put his foot in his mouth. I recall recently where McCain had to denounce some idiotic preacher he had ties to. They’re all a bunch of nuts that lead the blind.

By Brown-Eyed Girl!

June 2, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Thanks you, Tom! Well said!

By Truthifier

June 2, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

GaNative-

You are either intentionally trying to spread lies about Senator Clinton and her supposed former pastor, or you are an idiot who is too stupid to use Google to research something before you present it as fact.

A minister, who had previously served at a church in the town of Clinton, NY was conviced of molestation. He had NO ties to Senator Clinton.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/pastor.asp

Again, you are either a fool or a snake. I’ll leave it to you to clarify your status for other readers here.

By AmVet

June 2, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

The more a candidate downplays their favorite mythology - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, whatever - the better they are capable of serving the best interests of this secular nation.

Left or right. Conservative or liberal.

With the explosion of religious frauds inside the Inner Sanctums of government since Reagan, we desperately need to implement a Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Pursue policy!

By Gaias Child

June 2, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

The crazy white priest will be famous forever for his cruel mockery and scorn of the woman candidate while the congregation guffawed heartily. He was so proud of himself!!! What human emotion is expressed in mockery and scorn if not hatred? So are you saying that hatred is what is inspirational to church goers? Did you read either of Obama’s books? Have you seen his family? Who would want to expose their daughters to a pulpit like that? What is the United Church of Christ thinking? Does somebody want to sabotage the nomination in order to continue to indulge in divisive racial rage and self pity? What color is this so called pastor? How much rehearsal did he have to do to perform so dramatically? Has anybody ever heard of yoga?

By sharon

June 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

Yes Peter we do think you are stupid if you believe Reverend Wright preached a “hate sermon” every Sunday for 20 years! Don’t you think the media would have played more than two by now if this had gone on for 20 years? Have you taken the time to listen to those two sermons in their entirety instead of the sound bites provided by Rush Limbaugh and others? I agree with Carol about this white minister being a political plant. With all of the controversy surrounding this church I find it hard to belive a white pastor (catholic) would stand give such a sermon at a black church. Who leaked this sermon to the media? Hmmm, makes you wonder doesn’t it? Why is Barack responsbile for what this man said?

By GaiasChild

June 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

The crazy white priest will be famous forever for his cruel mockery and scorn of the woman candidate while the congregation guffawed heartily. He was so proud of himself!!! What human emotion is expressed in mockery and scorn if not hatred? So are you saying that hatred is what is inspirational to church goers? Did you read either of Obama’s books? Have you seen his family? Who would want to expose their daughters to a pulpit like that? What is the United Church of Christ thinking? Does somebody want to sabotage the nomination in order to continue to indulge in divisive racial rage and self pity? What color is this so called pastor? How much rehearsal did he have to do to perform so dramatically? Has anybody ever heard of yoga?

By Thom

June 2, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

(Quote)By Eric: “Technically you can say I did attend a KLAN meeting everyday. Small towns in Alabama are not very minority friendly.”

Except for a tour in SEA, I’ve lived in Mississippi all my life (55 years) and that is not true here, although we did have the Klan at one time. My father was a “raised in the faith Jew” and I’m a Southern Baptist, blue collar worker, baby boomer, combat veteran, so I know what Southern racism is and what it looks and smells like, from white OR black. My great-grandparents came to this country AFTER the Civil War. We never owned slaves, we learned the English language, worked to integrate into American society, educated our children in the public school system, fought, bled and died for this country (two uncles at Pearl, both parents Army veterans in Korea-father infantry, mother a MASH nurse) and, in all our generations of conservative Democrats, not one Republican, so who do we owe? I’m tired of hearing it. If you DID live in Alabama, you know what I was talking about, and your non-answer was evasive and unresponsive. As an American, a veteran who has fought in uniform, a dedicated conservative Democrat, the protestant son of a Jew, I would never “fellowship” with Klan members, attend their meetings, contribute money to their efforts, consort with them, publicly defend their philosophy—that’s the bottom line. My grandfather, my uncles, my entire family risked their businesses, their jobs, their safety, everything they had in the 50s and 60s, doing business with African-Americans, publicly supporting the cause of civil rights and equality, supporting candidates who pledged to change the laws and the status quo in this state. None of us owe Obama or any other person anything. If the man wants my vote and the votes of the rest of my family, he will have to do better than this. 20 years of racist theology is his past and his family’s, not mine. We know racist propaganda, we’ve lived through it and had to deal with every day. This isn’t about religion, its about a man who sat and listened to racist rants for 20 years and only tried to separate himself from it when he wanted the votes of the targets of the hate. That’s the truth. So, I tell you what, both you and Obama can continue to hawk this argument that people like myself and my family simply don’t understand the race hate Wright, Pfleger & company are spewing, and that it has nothing to do with Obama, but that dog won’t hunt. Continue attacking anybody who won’t vote for Obama without some real answers. Get back to me after the general election and let me know how that strategy worked for you.

By wwjd

June 2, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this

How would Jesus Christ feel about using the words of a preacher to defeat a politician? Didn’t Jesus Christ have a problem with the Pharisees because they were more interested in the outward expression of religion while the condition of a person’s heart towards God was unimportant?

By RoBoTech

June 2, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

“By GMAN

June 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

It is really sad when someone cannot make an honest slip of the tongue mistake by saying “57’ rather than “50” states. I think that we have trivialized what we want in a president.”

You mean like “Shiite and Sunni”? Hypocrites

By James

June 2, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

I visited Rev. Wright’s church several times over the past 20 years and I don’t ever remember any harsh ‘racist’ sermons like what’s been played on TV. I remember several sermons on love, peace, christian charity but those sermons don’t play well on CNN. I can’t imagine how many hours of tape the media had to go through to get to the juicy bits that are played over and over. Secondly, the idea that Obama sat through 20 years of sermons is silly. Like most churchgoers he probably attended a few times a year if that. Ask someone (anyone) what the sermon was about at their church on Sunday. The majority of folks don’t even remember. Finally, don’t forget that underneath it all Trinity United is affiliated with a ‘mainstream’ religious organization unlike John Hagee’s church.

By RoBoTech

June 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

“By GMAN

June 2, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

It is really sad when someone cannot make an honest slip of the tongue mistake by saying “57’ rather than “50” states. I think that we have trivialized what we want in a president.”

You mean like “Shiite and Sunni”? Hypocrites

By time for the awkward but UNDENIABLE truth

June 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

This wannabe black racist afterbirth “darnell” is actually just the sick child molestor ABORTED FORESKIN in ONE OF ITS thousands of ANALLY UNFUNNY should be lynched and hung by its scabies ridden yellowbellied yanKKKee neck until dead cretinous ids!!

funny how the far left vermin on here puke up their deranged hate posing as mouthy knuckle dragging chiterlin gobbling black racists and then slither away like epileptic surrender monkey puff adders having had their racist kicks for the day.

I use Kennedy, Kerry and Klinton toilet paper U snivelling maggot brained turdburglingfaggot. Your wife also uses it afterwards, to clean up … gedditt??? huge snigger

By sharon

June 2, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this

Mark we are voting for Obama for the same reasons white people are voting for him. Why aren’t you questioning why your people are voting for him?

By hillbilly ragger

June 2, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

Jim, is the rumor true?

That every time you manage to post “sat there for 20 years” in the context of an Obama discussion, you get a Milk-Bone?

Because that’s the only way I can explain the popularity of this phrase.

While you’re sussing that one out, you want to tell me why it’s ok to vote for a candidate whose denomination (the SBC, in Gramps McCain’s case) won’t allow women to preach?

Why do you and McCain hate women?

How can you sit there for ALL THOSE YEARS and endure women being hated?

By anthony

June 2, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Ron Paul said the same thing about 911 at a debate and its nothing. This isnt about Rev wright its about white people dont want a black man president and this was the best excuse they could come up with.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

George depends on the kindness of strangers, not campaign contributions….alms fer the poor, alms fer the poor…

By Lynne

June 2, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this

Kudos to Obama for making it clear he was not denouncing the church simply because he and his family were resigning from it. All those that can’t deal with the truths coming outta the pulpit can kick rocks.

By sharon

June 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

I agree with James. If “hate filled sermons” were the norm for 20 years you bet your azz the media would have found more than two.

By Peter

June 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this

Funny comment Jim,

“So now the picture of his leadership is becoming fuller. He’s most likely a facilitator, not a decision-maker. And to cover that, he proceeds with misstatements and impulse pronouncements and makes them his policy positions. Not good. Not good at all.”

Gee then…..

How would you describe George Bush, after his declaration that the WAR has been won?

Or how about the fact George Bush doesn’t remember snorting cocaine?

Or Huckabee after making a sick joke about something as awful as assassination?

By @@

June 2, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this

Remind me not to wait at a bus stop with Obama Jim. It’s hazardous to one’s health.

I’m gonna throw a little conspiracy theory out for the leftists here. I know how they love ‘em…

Father Pfleger, a friend of Obama’s is no stranger to controversy. He thrives on it. Why else would he preach a sermon at Trinity knowing full-well that the church was being closely scrutinized? Here’s the theory:

Obama is all but assured of the nomination, but is at great risk of losing Clinton supporters (women) to McCain in the general, thereby losing the election. So he gets Pfleger to deliver a sermon at Trinity which specifically targets Hillary. Then Obama gets to step in as Hillary’s “Knight in Shining Armor”.

Pfleger was awfully quick to apologize and Obama was awfully quick to resign while painting himself as the victim of religious discrimination and political attacks.

So is he the black knight or the white knight?

Obama’s no novice when it comes to underhanded political maneuvers. His ascension in Illinois state politics proves that.

Did he just run his hand up the ladies’ skirts?

By Tony

June 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Darnell:

Westboro Baptist Church is recognized by most for what it is, a NON-mainstream, racist bunch of idiots. Not so with Obama’s church.

Racism is racism, no matter what color you are.

By AnnieR

June 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

Seems like the problem can be solved by not going to church!

By Sick of the word "RACIST"

June 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of hearing that word. RACIST. It’s just another word that covers up the true word which exists behind it “TRUTH”. People who live in this world and think that everything that you become isn’t about race, class, creed, religion, country, etc… you are living in a CARTOON WORLD. Everything you do is about those things. It’s not just about black and white. If someone tells you that the White Man came to this country and took everything from someone. That’s not a RACIST comment. That’s the truth! If someone says that the majority of blacks has become lazy and complacent based upon a system that doesn’t allow you to get ahead but instead rewards you for not getting ahead and penalizing you for getting ahead. That’s the truth! That’s not a racism or hatred! Those who are Christians and religiously goes to church knows that the truth cuts like a two-edged sword. Guess what, IT HURTS! We live in a country where people love to hide behind the word racist to prevent bringing about the true word that hides behind it TRUTH! And for those of you who hate Farrakhan and who thinks that he is a racist, DID YOU KNOW THAT HE HAS A WHITE JEW THAT FOLLOWS HIM EVERYWHERE HE GOES AND ATTENDS ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS? No, of course you didn’t because of your ignorance and inability to really look into the history of yourself and find truth you can be swayed to believe anything. I don’t think these pastors are racists or those who produce hate at all but ministers of truth who are here to teach you about what life really is because folks you aren’t in heaven yet you are here on earth where the devil rules. As far as Obama is concerned, whether he believes in these teachings or not, you shouldn’t be concerned because white presidents have for years been distancing themselves from different offiliations that they know that have been a part of just to become President. And guess what, it worked every time. But I know one thing for sure the Republicans have already shown that they are not for the middle-class or the poor who are actually the true builders and brillance behind the building of this country!

By Sick of the word "RACIST"

June 2, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of hearing that word. RACIST. It’s just another word that covers up the true word which exists behind it “TRUTH”. People who live in this world and think that everything that you become isn’t about race, class, creed, religion, country, etc… you are living in a CARTOON WORLD. Everything you do is about those things. It’s not just about black and white. If someone tells you that the White Man came to this country and took everything from someone. That’s not a RACIST comment. That’s the truth! If someone says that the majority of blacks has become lazy and complacent based upon a system that doesn’t allow you to get ahead but instead rewards you for not getting ahead and penalizing you for getting ahead. That’s the truth! That’s not a racism or hatred! Those who are Christians and religiously goes to church knows that the truth cuts like a two-edged sword. Guess what, IT HURTS! We live in a country where people love to hide behind the word racist to prevent bringing about the true word that hides behind it TRUTH! And for those of you who hate Farrakhan and who thinks that he is a racist, DID YOU KNOW THAT HE HAS A WHITE JEW THAT FOLLOWS HIM EVERYWHERE HE GOES AND ATTENDS ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS? No, of course you didn’t because of your ignorance and inability to really look into the history of yourself and find truth you can be swayed to believe anything. I don’t think these pastors are racists or those who produce hate at all but ministers of truth who are here to teach you about what life really is because folks you aren’t in heaven yet you are here on earth where the devil rules. As far as Obama is concerned, whether he believes in these teachings or not, you shouldn’t be concerned because white presidents have for years been distancing themselves from different affiliations that they know that have been a part of just to become President. And guess what, it worked every time. But I know one thing for sure the Republicans have already shown that they are not for the middle-class or the poor who are actually the true builders and brillance behind the building of this country!

By JP

June 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

We all need to take religion back out of politics. This is getting really silly.. I don’t care what EITHER CANDIDATE’s pastors say! AT ALL!

Why do you?

By Sick of the word "RACIST"

June 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

I am so sick of hearing that word. RACIST. It’s just another word that covers up the true word which exists behind it “TRUTH”. People who live in this world and think that everything that you become isn’t about race, class, creed, religion, country, etc… you are living in a CARTOON WORLD. Everything you do is about those things. It’s not just about black and white. If someone tells you that the White Man came to this country and took everything from someone. That’s not a RACIST comment. That’s the truth! If someone says that the majority of blacks has become lazy and complacent based upon a system that doesn’t allow you to get ahead but instead rewards you for not getting ahead and penalizing you for getting ahead. That’s the truth! That’s not a racism or hatred! Those who are Christians and religiously goes to church knows that the truth cuts like a two-edged sword. Guess what, IT HURTS! We live in a country where people love to hide behind the word racist to prevent bringing about the true word that hides behind it TRUTH! And for those of you who hate Farrakhan and who thinks that he is a racist, DID YOU KNOW THAT HE HAS A WHITE JEW THAT FOLLOWS HIM EVERYWHERE HE GOES AND ATTENDS ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS? No, of course you didn’t because of your ignorance and inability to really look into the history of yourself and find truth you can be swayed to believe anything. I don’t think these pastors are racists or those who produce hate at all but ministers of truth who are here to teach you about what life really is because folks you aren’t in heaven yet you are here on earth where the devil rules. As far as Obama is concerned, whether he believes in these teachings or not, you shouldn’t be concerned because white presidents have for years been distancing themselves from different affiliations that they know that have been a part of just to become President. And guess what, it worked every time. But I know one thing for sure the Republicans have already shown that they are not for the middle-class or the poor who are actually the true builders and brillance behind the building of this country!

By alan

June 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

MY UNCLE IS A CONGRESSMAN WHO HAS BEEN A CATHOLIC FOR 30 YEARS.

HE SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WHILE THE PRIESTS ABUSED THE CHILDREN, AND STILL REMAINS CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT CAME OUT.

QUESTION: DOES MY UNCLE AND ANY CATHOLIC WHO SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS AND STILL REMAIN CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT THAT A COVERUP TOOK PLACE, HAVE THE RIGHT JUDGEMENT TO LEAD????

SHOULD HE AND ALL OTHER CATHOLICS EXPLAIN WHY THEY STILL HAVE NOT LEFT A CHURCH IN WHICH PRIEST HAVE ABUSED KIDS FOR DECADES ???

PLEASE ANSWER.

Thanks Alan

By BS Aplenty

June 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Roc-a-fella

Your argument has been posited on this blog before, maybe by you.

James H. Cone has written a number of books on Black Liberation Theology including Black Theology and Black Power and A Black Theology of Liberation. The first book is considered the seminal work on Black Liberation Theology of which Jeremiah Wright is a proponent. Cone, himself, considered the Trinity United CHURCH OF CHRIST, Chicago, IL as one of the first churches to incorporate his warped gospel of Jesus as doctrine. You may wish to read both tomes - interesting, both.

Cone states, and I quote, “The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples. Either God is identified with the oppressed to the point that their experience becomes God’s experience, or God is a God of racism…This is the essence of the Biblical revelation. (A Black Theology of Liberation, pp. 63-64). I would suggest that the above view is black racism cloaked in religious philosophy.

The issue that I have with Obama is not any explicit racist remarks he’s made but rather his deep, long-standing association with a church and minister that accepts a racist doctrine like Cone’s. In addition, if you add the anti-American rhetoric voiced by Jeremiah Wright and to a lesser extent by Michele Obama, it’s clear that this church and it’s doctrines are well outside the American mainstream.

At the very least, Obama should have left this church of his own volition many years ago. Now, his exodus only seems politically expedient. Obama is a candidate for the presidency and he was nutured in this environment for approximately twenty years. This continues to be a church that takes a dismal view of America and of white Americans in particular.

Those are not the qualities of a man I want as president.

considers the gospel of Jesus to be relevant to blacks only if it completely emancipates black people from white oppression by whatever means black people deem necessary.

By NeverChange

June 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

So, does this mean we get to condemn EVERY Catholic politician who did not distance himself from the Catholic church after their “minor infractions”?

Listen, pastors make inflammatory remarks from time to time, nobody’s going to argue that. Making inflammatory remarks, however, is not criminal. Touching little boys—certainly criminal.

Pastors are PEOPLE and if anyone feels strongly enough about a political issue (especially in a passionate political race) they’re going to throw in their 2 cents.

Especially if you give them a microphone and a group of people who already listen to them (sometimes blindly). Sure it was in poor taste, but Obama didn’t get up in the pulpit and say these things, in fact he wasn’t even there. I’ve got plenty of friends who say things that make me think “wow, if you weren’t my friend i’d think you were an ignorant fool. i’m so glad you’re not speaking for me.”

Let it go. Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

By Whiteman Sayeth

June 2, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Speaking of potential presidents who can’t turn loose of a bad idea, what about McCain and Iraq?

By alan

June 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this

MY UNCLE IS A CONGRESSMAN WHO HAS BEEN A CATHOLIC FOR 30 YEARS.

MY UNCLE AND ALL OTHER CATHOLICS SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WHILE THE PRIESTS ABUSED THE CHILDREN, AND STILL REMAINS CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT CAME OUT.

QUESTION: DOES MY UNCLE AND ANY CATHOLIC WHO SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS AND STILL REMAIN CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT THAT A COVERUP TOOK PLACE, HAVE THE RIGHT JUDGEMENT TO LEAD????

SHOULD HE AND ALL OTHER CATHOLICS EXPLAIN WHY THEY STILL HAVE NOT LEFT A CHURCH IN WHICH PRIEST HAVE ABUSED KIDS FOR DECADES ?

PLEASE ANSWER.

Thanks Alan

By DJ

June 2, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Hey Folks….I bet none of you ever question the Hippie white Jesus figure that hangs on the cross in most churches. This Troglodyte Wooten is a sorry excuse for a editorial writer. I’m ashamed to live in this state if the tone of 25% of these posts represents the ideals of the people in this state. What a waste.

By alan

June 2, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

MY UNCLE IS A CONGRESSMAN WHO HAS BEEN A CATHOLIC FOR 30 YEARS.

MY UNCLE AND ALL OTHER CATHOLICS SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS WHILE THE PRIESTS ABUSED THE CHILDREN, AND STILL REMAINS CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT CAME OUT.

QUESTION: DOES MY UNCLE AND ANY CATHOLIC WHO SAT IN THE PEWS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS AND STILL REMAIN CATHOLIC EVEN AFTER THE FACT THAT A COVERUP TOOK PLACE, HAVE THE RIGHT JUDGEMENT TO LEAD????

SHOULD HE AND ALL OTHER CATHOLICS EXPLAIN WHY THEY STILL HAVE NOT LEFT A CHURCH IN WHICH PRIEST HAVE ABUSED KIDS FOR DECADES ?

PLEASE ANSWER.

Thanks Alan

By steve0728

June 2, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this

Why does race have to be the issue? Can’t we all quit living in the past? I’m happy that this presidential campaign proves one thing, and that’s bigots come in all colors and denominations.

By "Charles" The Original

June 2, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

It is practically impossible to educate those who have been dumb down and Mis-Educated to boot? But you all know my history; I’ll give it that old college try.

In every race/group of people, there are individuals who love/prefer other groups of people rather than their own. This is the allure of integration my friends. Integration gives cover to those who dislike their own race under the guise that they love everybody…

Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, and Michael Pfleger are bona-fied integrationist. They pathologically love other groups of people rather than their own. It appears that their lot in life is to deceive the masses of people with the pathology of integration.

If hate, racism, or bigotry was taught at Trinity United Church of Christ for the past twenty years, it’s not because they hate us or America. It’s because they pathologically love us; but most of us love/ prefer our own race/group over others. There in lays the proplem my friends.

Yall feel me?

By Anna

June 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

How many of us tolerate our older white relatives and friends in the South who still speak as though it is the segregated fifties or that they are entitled but no other color is? Usually in families there’s an understanding of —-they are old and from a different time, they don’t know what they’re saying, but it’s still Grampa or Daddy’s best friend, or Aunt So-and-so who still talks racist but doesn’t she make the best Sunday dinner? and she’s always there for us even if she does talk racist so I still Love her…——- You know that happens in the black community too…

By Eric

June 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Thom @ 11:27

Who said that you are any other person owed me anything. You are the one being evasive here. You ask me had I ever been to Klan meeting and I gave you an answer. I didn’t need you to recite your family history to me. I don’t owe you are anybody else nothing.

By Blind Homer

June 2, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Alan - Please quit posting because the constant repetition of your inane all-cap half-bold drivel just shows how stupid you are. Abandoning a particular faith in god because of criminal actions by some of it’s spokespeople is totally different from denouncing a seemingly anti-American minister and family friend when you’re seeking to serve people of all faiths and even the faithless, whose apparent one commonality is a love for America. Try and finish high school or get your GED and then consider taking a logic class.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Thom @ 11:27

Who said that you are any other person owed me anything? You are the one being evasive here. You asked me had I ever been to Klan meeting and I gave you an answer. I didn’t need you to recite your family history to me. I don’t owe you or anybody else nothing.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

Thom @ 11:27

Who said that you are any other person owed me anything? You are the one being evasive here. You asked me had I ever been to Klan meeting and I gave you an answer. I didn’t need you to recite your family history to me. I don’t owe you or anybody else nothing.

By BrainExerciser

June 2, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

Alan,

Did your uncle’s catholic priest stand at the pulpit and preach about how we should be abusing children? If so, did your uncle and the other attendees jump up and cheer in agreement? If that is the case then your uncle should certainly have left the church. There is a big difference between corruption that is going on behind the scenes and corruption that is being preached about and supported by the churchgoers. Not a relevant comparison.

By R

June 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this

I am a black man. And I can not justify Obama staying in that church for 20 years. Wright was her religious mentor during that time. There is no one here that can say that have a friend for 20 years, and not know some of their questionable views. Everyone has some… That does say something about him, whether you would like to believe so or not. 20+ years… that is a long time.

By alan

June 2, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this

BrainExerciser — Oooh! I see !!!! SO AS LONG AS THE PRIESTS DID NOT OPENLY PREACH ABOUT ABUSE BUT DID IT IN SECRET, THEN IT’S ALL OKAY ??

AS LONG AS THOSE IN THE PEW DIDN’T CHEER THEN THE ABUSE AND COVERUP ARE OKAY, OR ACCEPTABLE TO A DEGREE??? PLEASE,take a cue from your handle and ‘EXERCISE’ YOUR BRAIN.

Thanks ALAN

By "Charles" The Original

June 2, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

If the integrationists think that they can defeat the great masses of the white race, Black race, Asians, etc. with a group of integrationist, haters of their own race, from each group, they have another thing coming.

By Shirley

June 2, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this

How about Obama sat in that church for 20 years because of the GOOD that they do in the community? Do you actually believe that Rev Wright preached that kind of sermon EVERY Sunday for 35 years? If so, why aren’t those sermons spread all over Youtube and the media? The sermons are broadcast and taped for sale every Sunday. Get over it.

By FPJ

June 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this

I was just wondering if those who are bent out of shape of over Obama’s 20 years in Trinity ever listened to the entire sermons that the 45 Seconds sound bites showed. Just maybe it would give you a context from which to speak. I was just wondering what would you say about Jesus who spoke against the ruling class if His words were played in a sound bite. I was just wondering what would we say if all we saw on the evening news was Jesus going into the church, pulling a whip off the wall, and turning over tables would we still worship Him (a scene from the bible). Clearly, based on your comments, you would not. I was just wondering if, as Barak Obama suggested, truly understands the context of life from another’s race. I was just wondering if a man or woman can truly be defined by someone else’s thought, if so then many of us should denounce our own families and quit our jobs. I was just wondering if the progress that this country proclaims has truly been progress or do we have an underlying hint of prejudices that override our ability to view the real issues. Be a product of the south, I have never heard of one politician having to denounce their church or their affiliation. Once more, I am concerned that we will not stop to think if something someone has said is plausible even it does hurt. The truth can and does hurt sometimes.
I don’t think that any of the ethnic groups (black, white, hispanic, mexican, or asian) are blind to the prejudices or pains of a system that has not properly addressed these issues.
Hopefully, a new day will arise and we will measure each other inwardly and not outwardly and use sound bites as character judgments and religion affiliations to determine whether or not someone is fit to be president.
I was just wondering if you ever considered changing your own narrow views, I have……just wondering.

By R

June 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

I personally do not think that Rev Wright preached that kind of sermon EVERY Sunday. I do believe he has preached that kind of sermon on more than one occasion. I do believe he has expressed those type of views before. If Sen Obama, just addressed Rev Wright as his preacher then I would also be more understanding of his relationship with the man. However, both have expressed that they relationship were more. I am in no way saying that he should or should not have broken all ties with the man. However, I can say that Rev Wright’s view seemed not to have bothered Obama until it started costing him politically. There is some truth to the saying that birds of a feather flock together. And when you look at those around Obama, it seems that they do not like the Unites States of America for various reasons, and are only changing their minds because he may get elected to lead the country.

By A Realist

June 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Interesting that there are so many people who are questioning why someone would sit in a church congregation for so many years and not agree with the statements being made by the church’s minister or visiting ministers.

How many people still attend churches, each and every Sunday, where there is not some disagreement with what someone might say from the church’s pulpit.

How many years did the REAL AMERICANS sit in pews each Sunday and listen to sermons that justified slavery, still justifying homophobia, racism, sexist views (no women priest/ministers), etc.

People wake up!! The bible teaches that the church is in the heart(s) of the individual(s). People who attend church can not be defined by the four walls of the facility nor by what is said by a minister.

By V Racer

June 2, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this

There may be a black man somewhere who should be president. Almost certainly not a democrat. Obama is wrong on the issues, would sacrifice our security, cripple our economy, and allow very questionable friends access to the white house. Jews,Italians,angry women, patriotic Americans, Hispanics, successful business people, Republicans, and intelligent Democrats, will not vote for him. That the dirty little secret of black racism, practiced in the open in their wacko churches, will cause most perceptive whites to reject him.

By Young Atheart

June 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Naive Dems,

When they could not find radical video clips over twenty years showing Barrack in the audience – they created one to radicalize his church by targeting Hillary. The Pfleger video was a Chicago style hit-job designed to split the democratic party a week before the last primaries and the DNC rules meeting. It was only possible due to the sensation-seeking TV media that had spent a solid month looping out-of-context video and trivial analysis defaming and endangering a congregation with a long record for work for the poor in Chicago. Hillary had piled on at the time. Ofcourse the congregation celebrated Pfleger’s counter-punch since it was delivered by a visiting white priest from an entirely different Christian denomination….as if to say “see we are not crazy, everyone thinks this way”

As to Pfleger’s motives, why would he 1) duplicate Wright’s theatrical performance, 2) one week before the final primaries, 3) at Wright’s old pulpit and 4) pick a personal fight that was never his to begin with against the opposing democratic candidate, especially 5) when it is nearly won, 6) using race as the argument. 7) Amazingly there just happened to be a camera-person in the audience that posted to Youtube within two days. The intended audience was the national TV media!

Pfleger’s long-term mutual support with Obama is peanuts when compared to what he could get for his ministry in such a high stake drama with only a slap on the wrist from the archdioces! Obama did what he had to do try to get the conversation in America back to real issues and to save his congregation from more personal attacks.

By KinMapper

June 2, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

If Shirly at 12:59 is right, and all past sermons are available for purchase, someone at Trinity should transcribe them and prove how Christian and unbiased every other word was other than the three or five clips known now to all.

I suspect few sermons lack the showing of the known attitudes of Rev. Wright but would love to see a video of one sermon that is more standardly Christian and not hate speech.

Also try to explain the same comments made by Rev. Wright on his tour of speaking engagements.

Then we can begin to understand how Obama managed to enjoy twenty years of any of this church attendance and yet be a post-racial stalwart ready to heal all wounds, fix all bureaucracies, rationalize all Jew-haters,….

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

Hey NeoClowns: you fools sat in front of your boob tubes for seven long years listening to the chimp lie, lie, and lie: you listened to stinky panties cheney (that is with an e, not an a..A is for actor, Chanay is an actor who played hump backed freeks in the movies, E is for Cheney, a Hump Backed Freek for real) lie, lie, and lie….So stop whinning about some preacher….You are the fools….

By "Charles" The Original

June 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this

The integrationist, especially the Negroes, believe that the will of the masses of white people, black people, Asians, Mexicans, etc. will not be realized because they have an integrated cross-section of people that can frustrate the aspirations of each race/ group.

God willing, they have another thing coming.

By alan

June 2, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

@ BlindHomer — The multiple posts was due to a network error. When challenged to think, try refuting the argument instead of hurling insults.

If you need to take a GED I can sponsor you, but you’ll have take off your blinders first and put on your thinking cap.

As for the definition of a ‘scandal’, it lies in the eyes of the beholder.

By Dutchman

June 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Folks,

It is quite simple. Even for the lefties to understand.

If you don’t speak out against it, then you are for it.

I speak out against certain federal and state policies.

I speak out against lame editorials by the AJC.

I will be involved. BHO did not speak out against twenty years of sermons. Oprah did, she spoke out and left the church.

If you spend 20 years listening to the Klan and do nothing, you support it.

If you spend 20 years listening to the Stalin and say nothing, you support it.

If you listen to Maxine Waters and reelect her, you support socialism.

If you voted for Cynthia McKinney more than once, you support her and her mouth.

It is just that easy.

By BS Aplenty

June 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Shirley & FPJ

No need to ask what any other American would have done in various circumstances. It was OBAMA who left the Trinity United CHURCH OF CHRIST and denounced it’s former minister. Apparently, the candidate thought these issues were grave enough to warrant leaving.

The rest of us are just asking, why’d it take so long?

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Obama and his wife I believe are closet racists. To follow a racist, anti-American pastor full of foment and hatred and then to suddenly expect Americans to believe that only recently the “uncle” went crazy, i don’t buy it. I also didn’t buy Obama’s political slick spin that his crazy uncle wasn’t controversial more than his comments were taken out of context. Awarded racist, anti-Semite, anti-Italian, anti-white Louis Farrakan the lifetime achievement award hardly unites people. Farrakan has publicly stated that Hitler was one of the greatest men to walk the earth, never mind that he killed millions of innocent humans. Yet Obama still will be on the chooses to share the cover page of Trinity’s church magazine with yet-another racist. Aside from Obama being a typical politician who conveniently kicked his grandmother, his personal adviser and now his church aside, is Obama “a typical racist?”

By "Charles" The Original

June 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

The integrationist, especially the Negroes, believe that the will of the masses of white people, black people, Asians, Mexicans, etc. will not be realized because they have an integrated cross-section of people voting that can frustrate the aspirations of each race/ group.

God willing, they have another thing coming.

By Can't fool me

June 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

The man went to church there because he liked what he heard being preached all these years. In other words HATE WHITEY. No way in hell any sane person votes for this guy. He is a black racist in sheeps clothes. NO DOUBT!!! DONT FALL FOR THE BS!!!

By R

June 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

A Realist:

I understand what you are trying to say. I am not sure you get what others are trying to say. There are churches that do justify homophobia, racism and sexist views. For the most part, those that attend those churches either agree with the church’s teachings or would like to “fit in” with that particular congregation. It does not show who someone is, but it does give you a glimpse of someone’s character. That is something people are looking into, for this election.

By Blind Homer

June 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this

Alan, the comma goes inside the quotation marks. I don’t think they award GEDs to college graduates.

By No Kool Aid

June 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Link to this

Some of you people amaze me. The notion that Obama is black has 90%+ of blacks and spinning the facts for him. If roles were reversed and Hillary went to church where an anti-minority climate existed, you’d bet they would see the problem then. One question, do the same people still think O.J. is innocent?

My guess is that these questions cannot be truthfully answered.

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Obama and his wife I believe are closet racists. To follow a racist, anti-American pastor full of foment and hatred and then to suddenly expect Americans to believe that only recently the “uncle” went crazy, i don’t buy it. I also didn’t buy Obama’s political slick spin that his crazy uncle wasn’t controversial more than his comments were taken out of context. Awarded racist, anti-Semite, anti-Italian, anti-white Louis Farrakan the lifetime achievement award hardly unites people. Farrakan has publicly stated that Hitler was one of the greatest men to walk the earth, never mind that he killed millions of innocent humans. Yet Obama still will be on the chooses to share the cover page of Trinity’s church magazine with yet-another racist. Aside from Obama being a typical politician who conveniently kicked his grandmother, his personal adviser and now his church aside, is Obama “a typical racist?”

By colourless

June 2, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

First I would really like to know how many of you posting are of African decent. Those who are not have no right to try to explain the African American experience. Slavery was a part of most cultures in the past but it was the caucasians that took it to the level that we know of today. Yes Africans had slaves but their slaves were treated like family members. (Read up on true African History)Unfortunately this country and most of the world were built upon the type of slavery that is most known and talked about.
Some one stated “Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.” How about an apology? The Germans apologized to the Jewish community for their attrocities. What happened during slavery times was a holocaust. You strip millions upon millions of youth out of their country, millions died during this, to build your infrastructure. The only pay was the most violent of punishment or death. I fear that this country and most of the world will remain in this state of seperate, segregated and unequal.

By colourless

June 2, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

First I would really like to know how many of you posting are of African decent. Those who are not have no right to try to explain the African American experience. Slavery was a part of most cultures in the past but it was the caucasians that took it to the level that we know of today. Yes Africans had slaves but their slaves were treated like family members. (Read up on true African History)Unfortunately this country and most of the world were built upon the type of slavery that is most known and talked about.
Some one stated “Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.” How about an apology? The Germans apologized to the Jewish community for their attrocities. What happened during slavery times was a holocaust. You strip millions upon millions of youth out of their country, millions died during this, to build your infrastructure. The only pay was the most violent of punishment or death. I fear that this country and most of the world will remain in this state of seperate, segregated and unequal.

By colourless

June 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this

First I would really like to know how many of you posting are of African decent. Those who are not have no right to try to explain the African American experience. Slavery was a part of most cultures in the past but it was the Caucasians that took it to the level that we know of today. Yes Africans had slaves but their slaves were treated like family members. (Read up on true African History) Unfortunately this country and most of the world were built upon the type of slavery that is most known and talked about.
Some one stated “Blacks think they are owed. Whites do too much to oblige them.” How about an apology? The Germans apologized to the Jewish community for their atrocities. What happened during slavery times was a holocaust. You strip millions upon millions of youth out of their country, millions died during this, to build your infrastructure. The only pay was the most violent of punishment or death. I fear that this country and most of the world will remain in this state of separate, segregated and unequal.

By R

June 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

A Realist:

I understand what you are trying to say. I am not sure you get what others are trying to say. There are churches that do justify homophobia, racism and sexist views. For the most part, those that attend those churches either agree with the church’s teachings or would like to “fit in” with that particular congregation. It does not show who someone is, but it does give you a glimpse of someone’s character. That is something people are looking into, for this election.

By "Charles" The Original

June 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

I’ve got to sign off everybody. I’ve got work to do. I hope we all learned something today. If not, take another look and think.

Please, no backstabbing. I will talk to everybody tomorrow; God willing.

By ron88

June 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this

How can a man, who was raised by his white mother and white grandparents from Kansas be a racist?

By GaNative

June 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Black Americans have sat under racist white presidents for years, both democratic and republican. So now that your chickens have come home to roost, you’ve got a problem with it.

By MY VIEWPOINT

June 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this

Obama resigned his church because he knows that us white republicans and bitter dem Billary supporters don’t want a black racist muslim running our country.

A couple of problems, since when did a black man become racist?

Since when did a black man who graduated from Harvard and was a succesful attorney become racist?

Since when did a Black man who graduated from Harvard who was a sucesful attorney who is a DEVOUT Christian become a racist?

But, since when did a White Conservative journalist with a column in the AJC (or for that matter, any of you white folks) become a Black Theologian who has the breadth and knowlwedge of all the Black churches combined to make any remark on the conduct of the Black church.

Isn’t it funny that your churches preached hate from the pulpit and brought death and mutilation, prison and separation, to the Black man?

Funny to me how you folks seem to keep forgetting that. It is time that you all face some truths. That hate that you have is no more. You can’t harm us anymore. You still try but it backfires. You can still hurt us financially, but as a result of your doing that, it has caused the housing market to collapse (sub-prime). You tried to put a President in office that repped your demographic and look, most of you don’t have that “W” on the back of your vehicles anymore. Scott McClellan came out and outted the Administration… Reckoning. That’s called “Reckoning.” Be afraid you hate filled people. Be very afraid. What is happening is divine.

By Marci

June 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

SHUT UP, WOOTEN!…And Get a real life.

By Disgusted

June 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Today’s Gallup poll shows both Obama and Clinton leading among voters, both registered and likely, though still within the margin of error. The gap has widened.

Better come up with something better than Obama’s pastor, neocons, or else you may suffer the horror of watching a hated black man become president.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

REPUKES LIKE TO “CHALLENGE” OTHERS TO THINK…WHEN IN TRUTH, REPUKES ARE THE BIGGEST CATTLE OF ALL…FOLLOWING THE TALK RADIO DITTO HEADS IN ALL…AH JUST PREYS LAW AND ORDER WILL ONE DAY BREAK DOWN, SO AH’S KIN SHOW YOU REPUKES WHAT AH REALLY THINKS OF YA….CHOP CHOP CHOP

By Marci

June 2, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

SHUT UP, WOOTEN!…And Get a real life.

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this

As Obama likely heads into be the democratic nominee, he knows his beloved church would have caused him more headaches and political fallout so he pre-empted what the GOP will use against him anyway. The fundamental commitment of the Church of Trinity is two-fold: full commitment to Africa and then to people with black skin. I have a huge problem with Obama’s questionable patriotism to the United Sates. To hang with his personal mentor, Revered Wright, who was exposed to hate America, and to belong to a church for more than 20 years that pledges its allegiance to another country is hugely problematic for me. I do not intend to vote for a black Manchurain candidate that intends to channel policy and aide to Africa, first and foremost. The rest of 92% of the United States citizens could give a hoot for some other country. I wish Obama wasn’t so racist and realized Americans are made up of a range of races and skin colors but unfortunately his pastor made a lasting impression on him to shape his views and allegiances.

By mike dunn

June 2, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Reading this article and these comment posts lets me know that we live in a sad society. Ignorance and racism run rampant, being politically correct is more important than being a real person with individual thoughts and opinions. I pray for you all.

By JeremiahWright

June 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

He joined when he thought it would help his career, and now he’s quitting for the same reason. How anyone could seriously consider him for President is beyond me. He associates with racists, and that’s no different than associating with the KKK. A white man would be ripped to pieces for it. If elected President, I’m betting he’ll join again.

By Brownie

June 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

All of you Obama supporters need to stop thinking he’s the ‘Second Coming’! He is a man not Christ Almighty, so stop treating him like he is! He’s not above being questioned or judged! As soon as anything comes out about him, everyone wants to cry racism. I’m black and I’m so sick of it, most black people think that Obama becoming President means some sort of ‘Free Ride’ or’ Special Privileges’ for the black people.

If he does become The President (I hope not)let’s see how long it will take before you are whinning about making the wrong decision! Wakeup People before it’s too late, think for yourselves, stop being your own worst enemy!

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

Wooten I wanna talk about that lady from Manhatten that is p** off by the DNC. They had several white women on television going off talking about they were gonna vote for McCain if Hiliary doesn’t win. Are these bitter white people who feel that the Presidential spot belongs to Hiliary because she is white. The folks who are not voting for Obama because is he black to make sure Hiliary gets the job proves the Rev. right when he talks about white priviledge and that think that this is theirs. He was right when he said Hiliary underestimated Obama and did cry when she saw it coming out from under her. You gotta admit the clip was funny.

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

Wooten I wanna talk about that lady from Manhatten that is p** off by the DNC. They had several white women on television going off talking about they were gonna vote for McCain if Hiliary doesn’t win. Are these bitter white people who feel that the Presidential spot belongs to Hiliary because she is white. The folks who are not voting for Obama because is he black to make sure Hiliary gets the job proves the Rev. right when he talks about white priviledge and that think that this is theirs. He was right when he said Hiliary underestimated Obama and did cry when she saw it coming out from under her. You gotta admit the clip was funny.

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

As Obama likely heads into be the democratic nominee, he knows his beloved church would have caused him more headaches and political fallout so he pre-empted what the GOP will use against him anyway. The fundamental commitment of the Church of Trinity is two-fold: full commitment to Africa and then to people with black skin. I have a huge problem with Obama’s questionable patriotism to the United Sates. To hang with his personal mentor, Revered Wright, who was exposed to hate America, and to belong to a church for more than 20 years that pledges its allegiance to another country is hugely problematic for me. I do not intend to vote for a black Manchurain candidate that intends to channel policy and aide to Africa, first and foremost. The rest of 92% of the United States citizens could give a hoot for some other country. I wish Obama wasn’t so racist and realized Americans are made up of a range of races and skin colors but unfortunately his pastor made a lasting impression on him to shape his views and allegiances.

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

As Obama likely heads into be the democratic nominee, he knows his beloved church would have caused him more headaches and political fallout so he pre-empted what the GOP will use against him anyway. The fundamental commitment of the Church of Trinity is two-fold: full commitment to Africa and then to people with black skin. I have a huge problem with Obama’s questionable patriotism to the United Sates. To hang with his personal mentor, Revered Wright, who was exposed to hate America, and to belong to a church for more than 20 years that pledges its allegiance to another country is hugely problematic for me. I do not intend to vote for a black Manchurain candidate that intends to channel policy and aide to Africa, first and foremost. The rest of 92% of the United States citizens could give a hoot for some other country. I wish Obama wasn’t so racist and realized Americans are made up of a range of races and skin colors but unfortunately his pastor made a lasting impression on him to shape his views and allegiances.

By Curtis Adams

June 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Hey, Mike Dunn, does Claude know you’re doing this on county time?

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

As Obama likely heads into be the democratic nominee, he knows his beloved church would have caused him more headaches and political fallout so he pre-empted what the GOP will use against him anyway. The fundamental commitment of the Church of Trinity is two-fold: full commitment to Africa and then to people with black skin. I have a huge problem with Obama’s questionable patriotism to the United Sates. To hang with his personal mentor, Revered Wright, who was exposed to hate America, and to belong to a church for more than 20 years that pledges its allegiance to another country is hugely problematic for me. I do not intend to vote for a black Manchurain candidate that intends to channel policy and aide to Africa, first and foremost. The rest of 92% of the United States citizens could give a hoot for some other country. I wish Obama wasn’t so racist and realized Americans are made up of a range of races and skin colors but unfortunately his pastor made a lasting impression on him to shape his views and allegiances.

By Lory

June 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

Do any of you actually attend a church? I’m guessing not. I attend a church and sometimes the pastor will say something anti-catholic, anti-muslim or antisemetic that I disagree with. This is typical of nearly ALL protestant churches. Haggee, Parsons, Falwell, Pat Robertson are just some examples.

I doubt it’s possible to be a member of a protestant church (except maybe the tamest and most conservative of denomination) without being mired in some pastor controversy.

Forget pastors, look at the Bible. If someone wanted to they could easily cherry pick exerpts from the Bible and claim it is a terribly racist and sexist book and therefore any Bible believer must also be racist and sexist.

This attack on Obama based on not his beliefs but rather those of his pastor is a shameful new chapter in American politics. If you can’t attack the candidate go after his church.

By jbmlaw

June 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Around 35 years ago the United Methodist Church started preaching leftist politics as religious doctrine in seemingly every church every week. I got disgusted and quit going after six months of the crap. Six or seven years later my wife and I visited another United Methodist Church, after visiting otherwise acceptable churches in the Presbyterian and Baptist churches. We found the sinners had repented, and there were many fewer leftists involved at the church level. As best as I can determine, they ran all of the leftists into the church bureaucracy so they could not alienate the decent people. In either event, the story has a happy ending, we joined again as a couple, in a far more conservative congregation. Guess that makes us smarter than Obama. Dear Copyleft @ 9:41, actually we have seen multiple and contradictory Obama domestic policies, on this website and many others. The deviation is striking, and the apologists are seemingly so mentally numb as to not notice. I asked a couple of pointed questions in my earlier post. You failed to answer (as is your norm – leftists offer only epithets, no substantial thought – with that evasiveness you have a future as a democrat candidate) but we’ll allow you to answer for Obama with finality. (1) Will he propose to cut any domestic (i.e., nonmilitary) spending? Where? Everything I have seen on Obama says he will increase nonmilitary spending generally, even in the bloated “agricultural” welfare budget. (2) Will Obama propose to raise taxes? Obama has gone both ways. He initially proposed restoring the pre-Bush-cut levels, then starting backing off with wishy-washy language seemingly recognizing that the “increases” would reduce revenues. (Of course, he is correct, that raising marginal rates would reduce revenues.) What do you believe he would do and why? (3) Does Obama believe tax increases have any effect – beneficial or adverse - on the economy? (4) Does Obama believe Kelo was a high point in Supreme Court jurisprudence? Will his appointments be consistent with the Kelo majority? Since Obama will not reveal his truths, perhaps you will do so for him?

By Eric

June 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

To BROWNIE

If you are a white person posting as if you are black, raise your hand BROWNIE. That post was dumb as hell!

By Racism

June 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

The racism in the blog is suffocating. Why hate?

By JeremiahWright

June 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

Hey A,

It doesn’t matter who the rest of us associate with. Obama’s the one running for President.

But for the record, I have NEVER associated with someone like Wright—white or black, and I have left my church when they refused to let women lead—when I was 17 years old. If I can do it, I would think a Presidential candidate would have the cahones, wouldn’t you?

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this

The way to defeat the Hillary Hags at the Convention is to limit all openings into the convention center to 18 inches in width….The Fat old Bats will not be able to git in the door….also us the old chairs that are only 18 inches in width, the Fat old hags buts are at least 36 inches wide, and growing daily….

By GaNative

June 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

Brownie, I don’t expect a FREE RIDE or SPECIAL PRIVILEDGES. All I want is CHANGE. I want someone that can make me stop saying God Dayum America while I sit at home unemployed while people who are not even american citizens get to work because it benefits corporate america and the government. This SHID has got to CHANGE.

By North

June 2, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Seems to me that Obama is taking the high road by not condemning the church. We tend to hear what we want to hear from people we admire, and Obama probably found much to admire in Rev. Wright’s sermons. And there is absolutely no doubt that Wright’s statements were not only taken out of context, media deliberately slanted the news.

By William Anderson

June 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

One final comment for the day about that crazy uncle of Obama’s. It was the Church of Trinity that cherry-picked “the Best of the Rev’s” sermons to showcase on their website for sale. If one goes to Youtube to see the crazy uncle isn’t really taken out of context, you’ll also see for yourself that it wasn’t just one or twice or a very isolated situation like Obama and his disciples would like you to believe. Count the Reverend fashionable gowns and you will see at least 24 (TWENTY-FOUR) racist, anti-American hate-filled sermons. A pity that YouTube exposes what Obama wishes could have stayed under the rug and a guarded secret.

By Matt

June 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

Please note that Pfleger is not a Reverend, he is a Catholic Priest, and white. Please don’t leave out the details.

By JK

June 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

George Washington, do the black women delegates at the convetion get half a vote, three-fifths of a vote, or half of three-fifths of a vote each? (three tenths?)

Racism, so the sexism is okay with you, then?

By The Truth

June 2, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Politicians need to stay out of churches. The problem lies on both sides from dems to repubs. Jesus stayed out of politics and politics needs to stay out of church. Yes, Obamas church is a racist church but his biggest problem is that he started going there to obtain political clout. Bill Clinton was famous for doing that in Arkansas. He would make sure he was seen on tv singing in the choir on Sundays. These guys do nothing but pander and have no clue what the Bible or Jesus was all about. I can’t find any versus where Jesus name called or played the race card.

By Dutchman

June 2, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

North,

Sorry, but every member of that Church, is painted with the same brush. They supported the rancid Reverend, the new pastor and the guess speakers.

BTW, it was odd that no one is suggesting the IRS check out the sermons and guest speakers for preaching politics and campaigning from the pulpit.

By BlueMoon

June 2, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

I see many comments from people on here pandering for “their” race and calling anyone that has a substandard view of Obama as a racist.

I have no problem with Obamas race. I’d vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice in a heartbeat but I do not want a president that believes in Black Liberation Ideology. If you don’t know what it is, look it up. And if you’re black and you believe in it, I’ll pray for your soul because I find it inconceivable that anyone with ANY love in their heart could believe in this trash.

This is what is taught at Trinity, this is fact. To dispute it would be putting your head in the sand.

Oh, and get ready folks, there is word of another tape soon coming that features none other than Michelle Obama preaching on the same ideas at the church. It’s sad really that someone that has done so well with their life hates America and has never been proud of America until Obama became a front-runner.

By truth

June 2, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

When will we as a country stop allowing these types of people’s actions to be accepted because they are black? Can you imagine what Jesse Jackson would do to a white church if the same kind of hatred was being preached? And it is not only the hatred against whites but how can this butthole who America has given him enough opportunity to live in the house he does and be on tv talk about GD america. GD these people. These are the people that do nothing but hurt our country and it is our, white peoples, fault for allowing this to go on.

By BlueMoon

June 2, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

I see many comments from people on here pandering for “their” race and calling anyone that has a substandard view of Obama as a racist.

I have no problem with Obamas race. I’d vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice in a heartbeat but I do not want a president that believes in Black Liberation Ideology. If you don’t know what it is, look it up. And if you’re black and you believe in it, I’ll pray for your soul because I find it inconceivable that anyone with ANY love in their heart could believe in this trash.

This is what is taught at Trinity, this is fact. To dispute it would be putting your head in the sand.

Oh, and get ready folks, there is word of another tape soon coming that features none other than Michelle Obama preaching on the same ideas at the church. It’s sad really that someone that has done so well with their life hates America and has never been proud of America until Obama became a front-runner.

By One

June 2, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

Wonder why the media isn’t all over the allegations about Bill Clinton (and women) on the campaign trail?????????? Okay, so I’m not really wondering, I already know why……………

By GaNative

June 2, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

Have you ever considered that maybe the reason Obama stayed at the church so long is that he realizes that a pastor is HIRED HELP. And most hired help gets the boot eventually although it takes an almost act of God to get rid of them now days because they practically own the church. I’ve stayed at churches where I didn’t agree with much that was said or was going on with the pastor, but I realized that one they folks were gonna wake up and kick his azz out.

By emmoore86

June 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

I have to agree with one of the bloggers truth is not very high on peoples priorities. I will get to the church later. The truth of the DNC meeting is it is just like playing any sport play by the rules and the refs won’t have to make a call. Break the rules and you put it in the hands of the refs. Florida should be mad at their local and state leadership for putting them in that situation the same thing for Michigan it is worse because it was Democratic leadership that led you down the road to the DNC committee. So all those Clinton supporters go back to Michigan and Florida and ask about accountability from your local leadership. 48 States and Pueto Rico followed the rules.

By Eric

June 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

I have never been to Chicago, but if I ever go there I plan to visit Trinity.

By Truthful Will

June 2, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

People. Calm down. Everyone trying to claim the higher ground is a bit annoying. No one can claim a moral high ground as we are all flawed. The notion that he “attended’ this church for 20 years is laughable. He’s a political hack who was nothing more than a “CME” member. He attended service on Christmas, Easter and Mother’s Day when everyone is on their best behavior. So not only did he not know what was being said but he probably couldn’t tell you anything meanful about the different ministries of the church. BTW, Rev. Otis Moss, III is great minister like his father- reflect to Maynard Jacksons funeral his father gave the eulogy. This discussion is exactly why America is most divided on Sundays during the 11am-2pm. And before anyone wants to attack me for saying such an awful thing about Obama, I voted for him, I’ve donated time and money to his presidential bid!

By ###

June 2, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this

A Realist @ 1:10- Many people, black and white, have left churches because they disagreed with the message being delivered there. I for one stopped attending a church when it became clear to me that black people were not welcome there. I know people who have left churches because they disagreed with the church position on any number of issues. As someone here has noted, even Oprah Winfrey left Trinity UCC because she did not like what she was hearing there.

By CC

June 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

How easy it is to make a assumptions. In the statement ” He is a facilitator and not a decision maker” Shows your lack of discernment. Are you really expecting him to denounce church??? It takes strength and great decision making skills to remove yourself from a person(s) who clearly is more interested in spouting their own view rather than “Gods” view. In addition, it takes Godly character to know that just because 2 people have lost their way in preaching and teaching Gods will and most prized commandment which is “Love” does not mean that there is no other “church ” that is still in alignment with what God intended his Ministers to do. My prayer is that God places a minister into Obama’slife that will help lead and guide his spirit and soul as he leads this country as the next President of the United States. I also pray that we the people begin to practice love, forgiveness and understanding and pray for those who have lost their way.

My last point is What would Jesus have done??

Let those who are without sin ( of hearing these types of remarks from friends, family, co-workers or even their very own preachers) cast the first stone….I would bet that those who are quick to point would be the last to throw!!!!

By CC

June 2, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

How easy it is to make a assumptions. In the statement ” He is a facilitator and not a decision maker” Shows your lack of discernment. Are you really expecting him to denounce church??? It takes strength and great decision making skills to remove yourself from a person(s) who clearly is more interested in spouting their own view rather than “Gods” view. In addition, it takes Godly character to know that just because 2 people have lost their way in preaching and teaching Gods will and most prized commandment which is “Love” does not mean that there is no other “church ” that is still in alignment with what God intended his Ministers to do. My prayer is that God places a minister into Obama’slife that will help lead and guide his spirit and soul as he leads this country as the next President of the United States. I also pray that we the people begin to practice love, forgiveness and understanding and pray for those who have lost their way.

My last point is What would Jesus have done??

Let those who are without sin ( of hearing these types of remarks from friends, family, co-workers or even their very own preachers) cast the first stone….I would bet that those who are quick to point would be the last to throw!!!!

By demwit

June 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

But, but.., did’t I hear Obama say that for him to deny Rev. Wright and the Trinity Church was to deny himself?

Has Obama now denied himself??

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

What gets a comment yanked on this blog? Was it the reference to tftt being syphilis addled? The Union Jack toilet paper thing? Calling him a should have been aborted wanker? I don’t get it. Yet, his response with Kennedy, Kerry toilet paper and my wife using it to clean up after he’s sexually assaulted her remains. Again, I don’t get it.

By Joseph

June 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Every politician has cast aside a zealot or two on his or her way to the mountain top; as long as we are telling the truth, every religious leader is by definition an extremist of some sort. This is not ground breaking news, it is just ground breaking news coverage of a political season that has gotten way out of hand. Must we lend ourselves to the evils of modern media? Be smarter, make you own decisions, no man or woman is a product of his or church. John McCain spent five and a half years being tortured by the North Vietnamese, doesn’t anyone have serious concerns about how that has affected his ability to make rational decisions. Something certainly caused him to lapse mentally during the 1980’s when he was funneling loads of cash into Charles Keating’s wallet. To my knowledge McCain is the only candidate that has been investigated by the senate ethics committee. God bless….

By JeremiahWright

June 2, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

He joined when he thought it would help his career, and now he’s quitting for the same reason. How anyone could seriously consider him for President is beyond me. He associates with racists, and that’s no different than associating with the KKK. A white man would be ripped to pieces for it. If elected President, I’m betting he’ll join again.

By Beautiful Black People

June 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

America has showed us over the years what they think about Blacks……We have adapted to Hate on a everyday basis….learned to make you feel at ease with your own guilt….It just seems that White people think if America has a Black President then they will be made to suffer inhumanely like minorities in the past.
It is not secret alot of White American grew up to Hate Black people and for what? For what White people did to Us. We never enslaved you….why do you hate the Black Man sooo much? Do you youself feel inferior?

OBAMA has done great for himself….But it’s too much to ask for White America to admit we have made through all their hatred….. Change scars you guys…..You so used to Black people having nothing….You tried so hard to keep us down…But we are here and survived all of your nasty hatred for no reason through the years…. You hate what you can’t get rid of The Black Man!!!!

By Bubba from Buckhead

June 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Living in America as a African American male has shown me that most whites are ignorant to the treatment we deal with on a daily. No one has assasinated, jailed, or abused white leaders(Klan) unless they committed horrible crimes. King was assassinated, Malcom X was assasinated, and Huey was jailed and mysteriously murdered. These are the things we feel America overlooks. We are killed, tormented, or called un-American when every we complain about our treatment and it’s not fair.

During Jim Crow African Americans were killed for speaking out about injustice. Now in 2008 we’re publicly ridiculed for speaking out on the injustice and hidden racism that exist in this country. White Americans obviously don’t understand African Americans. They don’t care to understand us after reading these comments.

* White people, when you decide to build up the courage to communicate with African Americans. Sit down and talk to us sometimes about race. We’d be glad to tell you. It’s discussed daily at barber shops, golf courses, and restaurants all over America daily by blacks. We’re obsessed with this subject, becuase we deal with it daily, whites don’t*

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Black liberation theology. Excuse me. Why is that a Jewish child is exposed the Jewish environment from the cradle to the grave. A white child is exposed to their environment from the cradle to the grave. They are born in the hospitals, go to schools, banks, shop in businesses and live in neighborhoods with folks who look just like them and no one says a word. The minute Black folks do it, it is called Black Liberation theology. White folks always say we should do our own thing and leave them alone and when we do it, they wanna complain. I was ROTFLMAO when I saw Sean trying to talk to Rev. Wright. Sean is a product of an all white environment and sees nothing wrong with it. Wright ripped him apart.The reason why white folks are upset about this so called Black Liberation theology is is because they want to be the first one to reject us not for us to reject them. They need to watch Miami because the Cubans have taken over so much that Spanish is the first language and English is the second and they are on AMERICAN soil. Americans could never take over Cuba like that and we know it. But that is how bold The Cubans have become. White folks still believe in the myth that all black folks wanna be like them when a lot of us go through our daily lives and not even think about them. They are invisible to us and they can’t stand it.

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Black liberation theology. Excuse me. Why is that a Jewish child is exposed the Jewish environment from the cradle to the grave. A white child is exposed to their environment from the cradle to the grave. They are born in the hospitals, go to schools, banks, shop in businesses and live in neighborhoods with folks who look just like them and no one says a word. The minute Black folks do it, it is called Black Liberation theology. White folks always say we should do our own thing and leave them alone and when we do it, they wanna complain. I was ROTFLMAO when I saw Sean trying to talk to Rev. Wright. Sean is a product of an all white environment and sees nothing wrong with it. Wright ripped him apart.The reason why white folks are upset about this so called Black Liberation theology is is because they want to be the first one to reject us not for us to reject them. They need to watch Miami because the Cubans have taken over so much that Spanish is the first language and English is the second and they are on AMERICAN soil. Americans could never take over Cuba like that and we know it. But that is how bold The Cubans have become. White folks still believe in the myth that all black folks wanna be like them when a lot of us go through our daily lives and not even think about them. They are invisible to us and they can’t stand it.

By tyger

June 2, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Are Hillary’s tears off limits?

For months Bill Clinton has been lecturing on the “appropriateness” of anything goes politics. Yet, the mere mention of Hillary’s tears brings a racist uproar.

Is Obama the only one subject to his “anything goes” rule?

Seems reasonable that if Hillary breaks down on the campaign trail, despite her experience, that she would/should hear about it later.

There’s some Emmitt Teal underlying themes here:

How dare Obama upset a white woman?

Where’s the lynch mob to her defense?

Anything can happen in June?

If not Hillary, then Go McCain?

Well, $10 a gallon gas affects everybody, so good luck with that one.

By Dutchman

June 2, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

BlueMoon,

I agree, whether he is white, black or like BHO, 1/2 and 1/2. The persons views and how they are shaped are important.

By Taxpayer

June 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

I wonder why people go to church. Individually, what reasons do people offer for attending church. Is it how they were raised. Do some people go because the feel a need to give of themselves or to be consoled by the words of another or for the company or other reason(s). What about Catholics? How many Catholics changed churches as a result of the scandals with some of its leadership. What about the acceptance of gays in church. Did those people all move on to yet another religion or sect. Is church about what to believe or about what you want to believe.

By EMMOORE86

June 2, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Let me use sports to enlighten some people. Every year we watch the NCAA tournament and for the last 30 years or so there have been mostly black players playing at white schools. The history of this is that before then black players had to go to black schools what you see as an opportunnity we see as institionalized racism. He doesn’t go to the black school because they don’t have the tv contracts that bring in all the money so the white campuses look like they do. Before intergration the black schools weren’t allowed to participate in the post tournaments and when they were they were told to play each other and we will let one of you in. That is what the priest was saying that although it was not this generation your colleges and universities are built on racist priciples. The same thing with Babe Ruth his steriod was segregation. The Negro leagues were around did Major League Baseball absorbs any of those teams no they just pick players off of them destroying the league. Your history books are filled with half-truths. These polices are in effect today and this is why when you come to our churches you may get your feelings hurt and not understand that peoples spirit need to be attended to. Where you go to work and people may think that don’t deserve your job where people are comfortable saying that he only got this job because of Affimative Action (Geraldine). We face your racist attitudes and policies everyday. You may not be racist but your ancestors have done the dirty work for you and you are reaping all the benifits. Besides the AIDs comment form Rev Wright what else is not the truth. Lets stop making broad statements and talk about paticulars. When you paint things with a broad stroak you lose some things.

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Well, I am somewhat “put out” with Jim Wooten. Why give every nut job the chance to prove their hate with le topic de jour?

Some hate whites. Some hate blacks. Some hate older people. Some hate women. Some hate cancer victims. Some hate religion. Some hate everybody and everything. Who wants to hear about it? I’m beginning to HATE hearing from all of them, including U-No-HoHo-PoFo the DoDo.

That is why I am “put out” with Jim Wooten. Let’s have Decent Day for a change. That will exclude most of today’s hate bloggers who don’t even know what “decent” means.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

I agree with Dusty. I would “hate,” to see all the decent regulars abandon Thinking Right. Glenn already bailed. TFTT came back, but who knows for long, and heaven knows he brings nothing but positive, love, sunshine and decency.

By Taxpayer

June 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

I’ve never held a candidate’s religion against him unless he brought it, in excess, to the stump. That is why I would not vote for Huckabee. I have visions of him marching us good little Christian soldiers off to battle against Iran and half a dozen other countries.

By George Washington

June 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

JK, the decline and fall of america began when we gave women the right to vote…they elected the chimp on scare tatics…a half a vote for women is waaaaay to much, they should git nothing…..

By anonymous

June 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Good grief, white people are not upset that Barack Obama is black, or half black, or half white, or whatever you want to call him. Take a look at the crowds, in the thousands, cheering him on. You will find more white faces than black ones. What upsets some people is that until recently the Senator’s bio played up how his church had played a major role in his life and then we learned that his church was saying some things that many people find offensive. If the Senator has a good explanation, then offer it up and try to win over those with concerns. But accusing anyone who is bothered by what they have heard coming out of the church as being racist does no one any good. I’ve found it interesting that people say that white people just don’t undertand that traditions of the black church. Well, that may be the case, but I do understand the traditions of some white churches who relied on racism to stoke fear and prejudice, and know that it was wrong. Simple as that.

By h

June 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

I would just like to point out that the color of ones skin, school choice, state, church, or family does not make a racist. It is in the heart and mind of the person that determines if they will judge others and spread hate for physical characteristics.

It is true that people can be influenced. I am sure that if the Reverend Wright DID make 20 years worth of hate-filled sermons, this could have some influence on his congregation and Senator Obama. However, it would not take a person with absolutely no prejudice in his heart and turn him into a bigot. There must be something there for the influence to grab a hold of.

I am not saying Senator Obama is a racist. I do not know him, and i take every piece of news whether from Fox, CNN or Youtube with a large grain of salt.

However, I do believe that there is a truth most of us are missing. WE ALL have participated in hate. ALL of US. We all have people we have said nasty things about or dislike. It could be as simple as haricolor or sport-team choice, or as serious as race and religion. The truth is all of us hold preferences in our hearts towards our fellow man.

To those who have said an educated, christian black man cannot possibly be racist, I say to you, yes he can. If he chooses to be. All of us can show racist qualities. My wish is that we should come to see racism for what it is and realize black, white, asian, hispanic, muslim, jewish, christian, baptist, mormon… are not immune from having prejudice aaginst another group of people.

BTW - I am on the liberal side, and we are all not uneducated, tree-huggers. Lets try to respond to the article in question with intelligence instead of throwing empty words at one another.

By White Man Speaks

June 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

Obama quit his church of prejudice, illwill, racism, and sexism over the suggestion that a black man stole Hillary’s race based entitlement.

Obama is right in a sense, to quit the anti american, pro Farrakhan, AIDS-conspiracy-advocating black community church, which is attended exclusively by folks who go to church to have their hatreds and prejudices stoked.

The joyful noise that any racially-incendiary comments bring to Obama’s former church are not good, not good at all.

Maybe we dont understand our African American citizenry at all. Maybe our shared history has tainted their vision of America, and maybe they dont feel the historical pride white americans feel.

Maybe they dont appreciate Jefferson’s prose or Washington’s leadership. I wonder why?

By Chris

June 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this

What if Obama was Catholic? Would he be tarred and feathered because of how his church has handled the child molestation cases? Tarred and feathered by the insane ranting of Bill Donahue of the Catholic League: “Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular … Hollywood likes an*l sex.” Or by the tacit support of attacks on gays and others. See, unfortunately some Americans just require a good excuse not to support and or like Obama and unfortunately Obama found a way for them to realize their fears. It’s funny the majority of Obama’s campaign is ran by our white brothers but the haters and the ones looking for an excuse to distrust him miss that point. I am from that younger generation that believes in know a man from his works. God Bless America!

By BAD DOG

June 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this

WHY WHY WHY OPINIONS ARE LIKE BOOTY HOLES AND Y’ALL GOT ONE THAT IS SO LEFT FIELD IT’S SICKENING WHY DOES THE ATLANTA JOKE AND CONSTIPATION (AJC) EVEN BOTHER TO KEEP THIS UP TO THE MEDIA IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS THE DIVISION UP PEOPLETHINK FOR YOURSELFS FOLLOW YOUR OWN MINDS RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN KEEP INFORMED

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Wooten were you raised in an all white environment. PLEASE don’t say you have black friends. Why isn’t anyone saying anything about Hiliary got feminists group voting for her. You guys don’t say anything because you don’t feel threatened by white women. White women cheer everytime they say something about Hiliary. But the minute blakc folks cheer white folks start getting skurred. Right on EMMORR. How is Christopher Columbus gonna discover a country when the Indians were here first. That is in the history books that they are teaching our kids and they wonder why their test scores are so low. Stop telling lies and they might learn something.

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Wooten were you raised in an all white environment. PLEASE don’t say you have black friends. Why isn’t anyone saying anything about Hiliary got feminists group voting for her. You guys don’t say anything because you don’t feel threatened by white women. White women cheer everytime they say something about Hiliary. But the minute blakc folks cheer white folks start getting skurred. Right on EMMORR. How is Christopher Columbus gonna discover a country when the Indians were here first. That is in the history books that they are teaching our kids and they wonder why their test scores are so low. Stop telling lies and they might learn something.

By anonymous

June 2, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

Chris, I believe the hole in the Trinity/Catholic arguement that many are making here is that Trinity UCC supports a theology that is not widely held and has been for several decades centered around one man (Rev. Wright), while the Catholic church is more institutional. Catholics belong to their parish and see priests come and go. The parish is not defined by the priest and his views.

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

DId you know that if you eat the 72-ounce steak, with baked potato and salad at the Big Texan Steak Ranch in Amarillo within an hour, you get it for free? One pro football player did it in nine minutes. I’m 5’11” and 180 and I think on some days I could do it.

By Moment of Truth

June 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Does anyone here find this church description offensive?

“We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a European people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.”

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Darnell,3:22

You are no sweet flower in this garden of weeds. Point no finger, poison posey. You are provocation not perfume.

By BAD DOG

June 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

hey did you know the catholic church got money when slavery ended

By hillbilly ragger

June 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Marvin @ 3:37, think yours is about the only fact-based post in this race-baited craphole Jim’s dug.

Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful contribution.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

I cast no stones and pointed no fingers. Glenn is indeed gone, so he says, and TFTT, well, he is what he is. My shoes fit and I wear them honestly without prevarication.

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

MORE of the same including the latest undercover agents who use PHONY extremist posts to incite more HATE.

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Thanks, ragger. Here’s another fact: Oprah’s never tried it.

By Pink Sock

June 2, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

As I watched “Rev.” Wright and “Rev.” Pfleger give their performances at that Chicago church, all I can think of is the pure comedy it provides, and I wish that Dave Chappelle were still doing skits. He’d have a field day with both of those fools. Maybe Saturday Night Live can come up with something!

This country is in sad, sad shape when the best we can do is either Obama or McCain.

By Basketball Fan

June 2, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

EMMOORE86, (re your 3:15)

So I guess the NBA fixed all that, huh? $20 mil to drop out of school and… well, you fill in the blanks. Whitey buys the season tickets, and all that money is put to good use for the black community, I’m sure. Keep whining. I’m sure your bizzach, ho, or whatever you call her will be home from work soon to fix your dinner and take care of your kids for you as usual.

By Pink Sock

June 2, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

As I watched “Rev.” Wright and “Rev.” Pfleger give their performances at that Chicago church, all I can think of is the pure comedy it provides, and I wish that Dave Chappelle were still doing skits. He’d have a field day with both of those fools. Maybe Saturday Night Live can come up with something!

This country is in sad, sad shape when the best we can do is either Obama or McCain.

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

There is nothing phony about the 72-ouncer at the steak ranch. It is extreme, though. I’ll give you that one. But I don’t see how it can incite hate.

By Frederick Douglass

June 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

Reuters News Services is reporting that (D) senator Barack Obama will undergo “Tiger Woods” surgery on July 18th in a last ditch effort to capture the White House in November.The aptly named procedure is a two pronged process of black blood removal, and amnesia inducement, that expunges all vestiges of color. It is not yet known whether Michelle Obama has signed off on the plan, since hers is the life that will incur the greatest impact.

By fools

June 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

by moment of truth. it isn’t offensive. in fact that is the history of the catholic church and christianity in general.

By Pum Pum Driller

June 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this

America:

Illegal war on Iraq.

Just under 400 years of institutionalized slavery of the children of the sun. No reparations.

State sponsorer of terrorism throughout the so called “Third World” (Latin America, Africa.)

Unequal treatment under the law of melanin rich citizenry.

Uneven foreign policy stance in relation to Israel and her neighbors in the Middle East.

And liberty and justice for…

God damn America for the way she mistreats God’s children of the Sun!

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Darnell 3:49

How do you know Glenn is gone? When did he “tell” you? A lot of people were gone this weekend. Hopeless hoopla.

The shoe certainly does fit. But I think you may have stepped in something and it portends prevarication.

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

There’s a Web cam at the table where people try to tackle the 72-ouncer. The address is http://bigtexan.com/72ozlive.htm. Nobody’s trying it right now, though. It’s a slow afternoon at the Big Texan apparently.

OK, I’m getting off this shtick now, but it’s worth taking a look at the Web cam. There’s a big trash can beside the table to hurl into if you run into trouble. Nice.

By Taylor

June 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

RE: CB @ 9:47 AM I’m not sure if it’s been covered since, but Stonewall Jackson was never a President of the United States. He was a General in the Confederate Army, and he died in battle. I think you’re thinking of Andrew Jackson…trail of tears guy. Bad, but he didn’t pull a G-Dubs and allow his administration to abuse the constitution like a Catholic priest abuses alter boys.

By hypocrits

June 2, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this

Every republican who is writing against Obama, you are all a bunch of hypocrits.
How many of your past presidents have been associated with Jerry Fallwell, a noted racist and hate monger? Reagan, Bush Sr., etc. Also, McCain…who just two weeks ago was endorsed by Reverend Hagee who calls the Catholic church “the apostate church” and the “great w*******”, and has stated that the Nazis did God’s will by chasing the Jews from Europe, and that Hitler was a “hunter” sent by God to herd the Jews to the land of Israel.

Not to mention his second endorsement by Pastor Rod Parsley, who says that Islam is an “anti-Christ religion that intends through violance to conquer the world” and that Islam is “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil”.

I’ll take Obama any day over a guy with worse friends and the onset of demencia.

By hypocrits

June 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Every republican who is writing against Obama, you are all a bunch of hypocrits.
How many of your past presidents have been associated with Jerry Fallwell, a noted racist and hate monger? Reagan, Bush Sr., etc. Also, McCain…who just two weeks ago was endorsed by Reverend Hagee who calls the Catholic church “the apostate church” and the “great w*******”, and has stated that the Nazis did God’s will by chasing the Jews from Europe, and that Hitler was a “hunter” sent by God to herd the Jews to the land of Israel.

Not to mention his second endorsement by Pastor Rod Parsley, who says that Islam is an “anti-Christ religion that intends through violance to conquer the world” and that Islam is “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil”.

I’ll take Obama any day over a guy with worse friends and the onset of demencia.

By hypocrits

June 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this

Every republican who is writing against Obama, you are all a bunch of hypocrits.
How many of your past presidents have been associated with Jerry Fallwell, a noted racist and hate monger? Reagan, Bush Sr., etc. Also, McCain…who just two weeks ago was endorsed by Reverend Hagee who calls the Catholic church “the apostate church” and the “great w*******”, and has stated that the Nazis did God’s will by chasing the Jews from Europe, and that Hitler was a “hunter” sent by God to herd the Jews to the land of Israel.

Not to mention his second endorsement by Pastor Rod Parsley, who says that Islam is an “anti-Christ religion that intends through violance to conquer the world” and that Islam is “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil”.

I’ll take Obama any day over a guy with worse friends and the onset of demencia.

By Bubba from Buckhead

June 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

America is full of hypocrites with short memories. The same racist Christian Churches were lynching blacks during Jim Crow. You guys forget about that huh? They were preaching hate in churches in the south, but it was done with tact instead of plain english ie J.Wright. It amazes me that white people forget that they’re grandparents threw bottles at mine, when they marched in Selma. They sent their dogs to attack my people, just so we could vote and sit down for lunch in a diner. Yes Blacks are still upset. We were treated like animals, we’re continuously treated less than American. So why is it surprising that there are people like J.Wright. Just read the racist comments by the AJC readers. Racism continues to survive in America black or white, whether you want to believe it or not. It exist in Blacks cause we have to deal with it. Whites force the issue.

If Wright is wrong I don’t want to be right(white)

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

On Friday’s blog, Glenn began a post with something like, “three reasons to quit this blog,” and he’s been unseen since.

Naw, I wiped that off on the doormat outside. Does it still smell?

By White Man Speaks

June 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Obama quit his church of prejudice, illwill, racism, and sexism over the suggestion that a black man stole Hillary’s race based entitlement.

Obama is right in a sense, to quit the anti american, pro Farrakhan, AIDS-conspiracy-advocating black community church, which is attended exclusively by folks who go to church to have their hatreds and prejudices stoked.

The joyful noise that any racial or sexist comments bring to Obama’s former church are not good, not good at all.

Maybe we dont understand our African American citizenry at all. Maybe our shared history has tainted their vision of America, and maybe they dont feel the historical pride white americans feel.

Maybe they dont appreciate Jefferson’s prose or Washington’s leadership. I wonder why?

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

PoFo,

Please ‘can’ Marvin and Frederick. They are babble, oh bored and bilious one.

By Paul D

June 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

I wish you right-wingers spent as much time “investigating” your candidates as you do on Democrats. Maybe then we could have all been spared the last 8 years.

In any case, have fun canceling out my white over-educated vote for Senator Obama.

By Peter

June 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Hey By WTF June 2, 2008 10:51 AM

I certainly agree with you today.

I have a black buddy I do business with, and he can, and others can definitely tell you the race issue is not dead, and prejudice is all about us.

Sorry to say, but I have had my share or reverse discrimination thrown at me as well.

Gotta love the “Family Values” that come out of the keyboards of the “Wrongs” on this Blog. Talk about HATE, I guess for the “Right wingers”, that IS a “Family Value”.

Yep that along with name calling, and throwing insults.

Hard to believe these folks Do go to church. Seems church going, and acting in a Godly manner is only for the weekends.

By Darnell

June 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Glenn’s swan song was Thursday at 3:34 p.m. R.I.P. Glenn from Lyrical Louie and all your admirers.

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hypocrits. They tired to justify slavery through the Bible and these were Christians. That is why they didn’t want black folks to think or read because they woule become “elistest” and couldn’t be controlled. The feminist movement was never for black women. We have always had to go out and work for a living. We took care of their kids and had to go home and take care of our own. Zora Hurston had a degree in Anthropology and had to work as a maid to make ends meet. So we know the feminist movement has ALWAYS been for the rights of white women who highjacked the Civil Rights movement for their benefit. Let’s talk about that seperatism.

By hotlanta

June 2, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hypocrits. They tired to justify slavery through the Bible and these were Christians. That is why they didn’t want black folks to think or read because they woule become “elistest” and couldn’t be controlled. The feminist movement was never for black women. We have always had to go out and work for a living. We took care of their kids and had to go home and take care of our own. Zora Hurston had a degree in Anthropology and had to work as a maid to make ends meet. So we know the feminist movement has ALWAYS been for the rights of white women who highjacked the Civil Rights movement for their benefit. Let’s talk about that seperatism.

By OxyMORON

June 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

What a joke, “common sense conservativism” is the biggest oxymoron in the english lanquage.

Great post “hypocrits 4:14PM”. McCain is one of the worst liers we’ve seen in a long time.

By Nick

June 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Please. Judging the history and overall message of a church based off of a few sound bites is misguided. Truth is, Jim, you have no idea what really was said over those 20 years. You can only guess.

Evangelical pastors and churches that contend millions of individuals will go to Hell because of their sexuality are no better. THAT type of speech continues to breed intolerance today.

By Marvin Fredericks

June 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I can assure you Marvin and Frederick have never met. And, who is this PoFo of which you speak?

By White Beeetch

June 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

Hotlanta, I invite you to kiss my nice round lily-white feminist behind. It looks like you have chosen the black-white divide over the male-female divide. It’s a free country, so you’re “entitled” to your opinion. Don’t pretend you know what other women have had to endure. We’ve all been smacked down by men in power and the expectations of roles we’re supposed to fill, and at the same time have had to work just to eat or feed the kids. But only a black woman can be a “sister?” Only your struggle matters? Have it your way, b—-h, but when you wind up all alone in your battles, it’s YOUR doing, not mine. By the way, have fun glorifying the “black man” who treats you so well and shows you so much respect. Now where’s my Fitty CD? Gon’ smack dat azz, sk-eeet sk-eet yea..

By Woman at Large

June 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this

“No one has assasinated, jailed, or abused white leaders(Klan) unless they committed horrible crimes. King was assassinated, Malcom X was assasinated, and Huey was jailed and mysteriously murdered. These are the things we feel America overlooks. We are killed, tormented, or called un-American when every we complain about our treatment and it’s not fair.” Did you forget about Abraham Lincoln, WilliamMcKinley, James Garfield and Jack and kRobert Kennedy because they were NOT black men? … And “your treatment” was contributed to by your own ancestral tribal leaders, who sold their rivals and enemies to the slave traders. But that was a long time ago, and no one’s keeping you here now. You’re free to go. Take a look aroundyou in your ancestral land, and complain because you aren’t getting the token job, or your sham minority business didn’t get the contract, or your welfare check hasn’t come in, or your drug dealer done you wrong… take a look and see how much better off you are among people who treat you fairly…

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this

Pum Pum Driller@4:03

What’s keeping you? You don’t have to stay here in your professed agony. GO, honey, GO! There are millions of people who would love to take your place. Hasta la vista!!

And hypocrits@ 4:12

Oh dear! YOUR demencia is spelled “dementia”. You have the real thing.

I’m leaving… Who knows where this ‘demencia’ might show up next.

By Romaine Clark

June 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

I am 66 years old. Was a Freedom Rider in the Sixties. Got Jailed several times for trying to get Black people to vote. Every Sunday of my life, I’ve heard the same sermons Rev. Wright preached. Every Black church in this nation/world has heard the same truths about how we’ve been treated from slavery until today…and you question WHY we feel the way we do? GIVE ME A BREAK! Whites want us to love this country to death…after what we’ve been through here. WE DO LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT..come back home and still face the rath of whites.

By Romaine Clark

June 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

I am 66 years old. Was a Freedom Rider in the Sixties. Got Jailed several times for trying to get Black people to vote. Every Sunday of my life, I’ve heard the same sermons Rev. Wright preached. Every Black church in this nation/world has heard the same truths about how we’ve been treated from slavery until today…and you question WHY we feel the way we do? GIVE ME A BREAK! Whites want us to love this country to death…after what we’ve been through here. WE DO LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT..come back home and still face the wrath of whites.

By First of all

June 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this

First of all, if you want to get technical, the Native American Indians, who by their own name given by us, were native to this land and here before “the white or black man”. So if you want to get technical about it, put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

By Stand up

June 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Link to this

You know the old joke about a white man not being prejudice….instead he hates everyone?

I feel that way about the Democrats protesting last weekend at the DNC rules committe meeting.

It’s getting very hard to justify being a liberal with the cavalcade of kooks that paraded before the cameras.

I’m actually very conservative. I’m pro life. I think taxes stunt growth. I know entitlements stunt productivity.

If Cheney wasn’t such a fathead…

If cheney wasn’t such a fathead, I would post like this:

McCain 08: leadership 4 a change

By To Dusty

June 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Thanks for the spelling leason. Glad to see you caught that, but obviously didn’t understand or comprehend the rest of the post. Typical republican. Nitpicking small mistakes while turning a blind eye to the actual problem. Why don’t you answer to the fact that you are supporting a candidate who is being endorsed by worse racists. Can you really sleep at night, or do you take sleeping pills like McCain?

By Woman at Large

June 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

White Beeetch, you said it before I could,and SO much better! As if white women don’t come home from work to face another full-time job at home … as if there was a color label on the feminist movement. Some people just gotta see hate where there is none … same ones who can’t see it where it’s shouted literally from the pulpit.

By anyone but hillary

June 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

way to go barry. thanks for saving us from having to see the face of hillary clinton plastered with make up for eight years.

you deserve a medal of honor for this.

at least I can finally look forward to beating the meat while I think about the first lady. it has been a long while since jackie o.

By Taxpayer

June 2, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

PoFo is one of the Urban Blog Legends that some people like to blame for all their shortcomings. At least, that’s what I believe. We all need to believe in something, don’t we.

By Blind Homer

June 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

My guess is about 30% of white voters are prejudiced and weren’t voting for Obama no matter what, 65% will vote along party lines or issues, and about 5% were awakened to the black prejudice that poses as ‘Liberation Theology’ and Obama lost those votes. I fit in the issues category and I oppose the war and I want the Bush tax cuts to expire, but I don’t want the taxes to go universal health care or aid to Africa or Israel, and I wish we’d get tough on illegal aliens before America becomes a third world country. In other words, I have no candidate.

By Alvin

June 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

You call him a racist.His mother is white he was raised by his grandparent and his mother in Hawaii. His father is from Kenya was not really in his life,but since he has some Black blood in him he is this militant Black man.You guys need to get over your fears.If you have a drop of Black blood in you body all a sudden you are tainted. This is the year 2008 and still all I see in here is the fear and hate .People are still judge by the color of their skin(SAD)

By Woman at Large

June 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

White Beeetch, you said it before I could,and SO much better! As if white women don’t come home from work to face another full-time job at home … as if there was a color label on the feminist movement. Some people just gotta see hate where there is none … same ones who can’t see it where it’s shouted literally from the pulpit.

By Moderator Maude

June 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

Get your posts in quick. If you believe the posted hours, commenting is about to close on this near record setting day here at Thinking Right.

By Frederick Douglass

June 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this

The reports of my canning have been greatly exaggerated. What we need to can is racism, code words,and doing things the way Pee Paw and Me Maw did them. People need to start recognizing that pigmentation doesn’t determine what an individual can accomplish. Besides, can me and you lose the only blogger that knows the difference between you’re and your.

By where the white women at?

June 2, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this

y’all come home and take care of the kids? maybe i need to creep and get with one of y’all.

fyi the feminist movement was not about women. it was simply a ploy to enslave more people for the financial masters of the world (david rockefeller and his cfr crowd)

By Woman at Large

June 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Link to this

hotlanta said: “Hypocrits. They tired to justify slavery through the Bible and these were Christians. That is why they didn’t want black folks to think or read because they woule become “elistest” and couldn’t be controlled.” On the contrary, hotatlanta, it would have been refreshing to have black folks learn to think or read, because then they could have paid taxes … and if you think they’re being “controlled,” I invite you to my northern Ohio city where there are drive-by shootings nearly every day, black on black crime that makes you cry for the children … yep, blame the whites. A lot of us are hungry too, but we don’t sell drugs to our neighbor’s kids to change that.

By Time

June 2, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

I have two points; (1) this is the absolutely worst group of presidential candidates that the American system has ever put before voters and, (2) black churches (yes those in Atlanta too) seem to be instruments for political causes. This is ironic considering that Liberals constantly push for seperation of church and state (except when it pertains to black churches). Anyway you look at it, Obama is pathetic. If he sat in that church for 20 years and heard this racially driven political insanity but stayed because of political expediency, then he morally bankrupt. If he pretends he didn’t hear it or or that he didn’t know it was going on, then he is incompetent. If this is the case, I also believe he is a liar.

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Indeed. It was the grand old US of A that has been nasty, filthy, mean-spirited, and ill-willed against black people since the say they first set foot in the damned nation. When you’ve got the kind of things going on that have been going on for centuries and then have the nerve enough to turn on black people for the crap that this nation has lodged against them for hundreds of years that they strike out against and then turn and call those people “racist” for being angry about the racism they’ve dealt with and still deal with today, that is the reason why America is damned and forever will be damned. This is one hypocritical filthy country and the sooner God comes back here to take it out, the better for all concerned. The world is watching. I hope they learn that America is not an example of a nation that will lead them anywhere except straight to hell.

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this

Indeed. It was the grand old US of A that has been nasty, filthy, mean-spirited, and ill-willed against black people since the say they first set foot in the damned nation. When you’ve got the kind of things going on that have been going on for centuries and then have the nerve enough to turn on black people for the crap that this nation has lodged against them for hundreds of years that they strike out against and then turn and call those people “racist” for being angry about the racism they’ve dealt with and still deal with today, that is the reason why America is damned and forever will be damned. This is one hypocritical filthy country and the sooner God comes back here to take it out, the better for all concerned. The world is watching. I hope they learn that America is not an example of a nation that will lead them anywhere except straight to hell.

By Stand up

June 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this

Obama quit his church of prejudice, illwill, racism, and sexism over the suggestion that a black man stole Hillary’s race based entitlement.

Obama is right in a sense, to quit the anti american, pro Farrakhan, AIDS-conspiracy-advocating black community church, which is attended exclusively by folks who go to church to have their hatreds and prejudices stoked.

The joyful noise that any racial or sexist comments bring to Obama’s former church are not good, not good at all.

Maybe we dont understand our African American citizenry at all. Maybe our shared history has tainted their vision of America, and maybe they dont feel the historical pride white americans feel.

Maybe they dont appreciate Jefferson’s prose or Washington’s leadership. I wonder why?

PS: thank you who ever is running interference for me again. This is the only comment I’m reposting so anything else on here aint me. But thanx to you great folks for holding up the liberal end…..ew.

By Dusty

June 2, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Into the night he rode crying

“Demencia, demencia”

If only I can convince her,

I do not have ‘demencia’.

But his racist retort,

A last resort,

Confirmed his decline

with his racist line.

A bigot is like a spigot

that leaks pure rot.

You’d rather not smell it

But it still leaks a lot.

(Dedicated to 4:45 who rides into the night …blindly.)

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

How dare anyone say such a thing about Trinity when it was racism that brought that kind of rhetoric on in the first place? We are still living in a nation overrun with hypocrisy and racial ill-will and antagonism toward blacks and these idiots have the nerve enough to call a pronouncement against the racism that is put upon us racist? Have you people lost your ever-loving minds? This is why Jeremiah Wright said what he said, and if America keeps this filthy kind of thing up, it indeed will be damned. And soon. And Barack Obama won’t have a goat-herder’s son thing to say about it when it does. It was racism that caused Obama to have to leave his church and you will sit here and try to twist this mess around to turn the victims of racism into the bad people just because YOU don’t know what it’s like to be black and have to live in this filthy nation?

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

How dare anyone say such a thing about Trinity when it was racism that brought that kind of rhetoric on in the first place? We are still living in a nation overrun with hypocrisy and racial ill-will and antagonism toward blacks and these idiots have the nerve enough to call a pronouncement against the racism that is put upon us racist? Have you people lost your ever-loving minds? This is why Jeremiah Wright said what he said, and if America keeps this filthy kind of thing up, it indeed will be damned. And soon. And Barack Obama won’t have a goat-herder’s son thing to say about it when it does. It was racism that caused Obama to have to leave his church and you will sit here and try to twist this mess around to turn the victims of racism into the bad people just because YOU don’t know what it’s like to be black and have to live in this filthy nation?

By So what you're saying ...

June 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Stand up is that you are actually political smegma, er, rather foreskin?

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

How dare anyone say such a thing about Trinity when it was racism that brought that kind of rhetoric on in the first place? We are still living in a nation overrun with hypocrisy and racial ill-will and antagonism toward blacks and these idiots have the nerve enough to call a pronouncement against the racism that is put upon us racist? Have you people lost your ever-loving minds? This is why Jeremiah Wright said what he said, and if America keeps this filthy kind of thing up, it indeed will be damned. And soon. And Barack Obama won’t have a goat-herder’s son thing to say about it when it does. It was racism that caused Obama to have to leave his church and you will sit here and try to twist this mess around to turn the victims of racism into the bad people just because YOU don’t know what it’s like to be black and have to live in this filthy nation?

By marjani

June 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

How dare anyone say such a thing about Trinity when it was racism that brought that kind of rhetoric on in the first place? We are still living in a nation overrun with hypocrisy and racial ill-will and antagonism toward blacks and these idiots have the nerve enough to call a pronouncement against the racism that is put upon us racist? Have you people lost your ever-loving minds? This is why Jeremiah Wright said what he said, and if America keeps this filthy kind of thing up, it indeed will be damned. And soon. And Barack Obama won’t have a goat-herder’s son thing to say about it when it does. It was racism that caused Obama to have to leave his church and you will sit here and try to twist this mess around to turn the victims of racism into the bad people just because YOU don’t know what it’s like to be black and have to live in this filthy nation?

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Hurry! Get to the Big Texan Web site now! There’s a guy trying to eat the 72 ouncer. I hope he hurls!

By Stand up

June 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Obama quit his church of prejudice, illwill, racism, and sexism over the suggestion that a black man stole Hillary’s race based entitlement.

Obama is right in a sense, to quit the anti american, pro Farrakhan, AIDS-conspiracy-advocating black community church, which is attended exclusively by folks who go to church to have their hatreds and prejudices stoked.

The joyful noise that any racial or sexist comments bring to Obama’s former church are not good, not good at all.

Maybe we dont understand our African American citizenry at all. Maybe our shared history has tainted their vision of America, and maybe they dont feel the historical pride white americans feel.

Maybe they dont appreciate Jefferson’s prose or Washington’s leadership. I wonder why?

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“Obama 08. He’s black”.

By Marvin Giggsley

June 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

He didn’t come close. His girlfriend in tight, short shorts and a low cut top is there with him. Hope they’re not sleeping under the same covers tonight. Pee-yoo. Two-pound steak poots.

By Obambi

June 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Greetings, fellow dimwits.

We are gathered together today in this place to honor me and the march on Selma that was held 43 years ago to protest thee low grade that I recieved from my typical white kindergarten teacher for my essay I want talk with thee savages.

She called me an appeaser too, and that was it, thee march was on.

I did not listen to any of MLK’s speeches, so if that mofo said anything that might be used against my campaign, that’s just tough t**-tie, ain’t it?

Matter of fact, I marched twenty miles behind the march, all by myself, so don’t you KKKlintoon operatives be putting the march on me, I didn’t hear a damn thing.

What is all this talk, I ask, about thee Trini, uh, Tritty, no, er, Trinity Church of Christ, that all you stunted morons are mumbling about?

I know of no Trinity.

I never heard their sermons. I never stood on thee pew and cheered when that crazy mofo went on and on about whitey. I never even drove through that neighborhood. If you should find a tape of me clapping raucously in thee congregation then it must have been my sister, she looked just like me before she grew that mustache.

What? What do you mean I don’t have a sister? I never said I had a sister. Why are you f’ing with me man? Somebody stomp this dude please.

This is no way to treat a man who’s cousin fought to liberate Poland, a man who represents thee “change” and thee “hope” that the United States of KKK of A has been longing for.

So remember, you insolent beady eyed dullards, I had nothing to do with it.

I wasn’t even there.

Yes, we can!

By Ed

June 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

What a world! The majority is frightened of conceded a fraction of their power.Is a black president goint to place black CEOs at the head of all the companies? Is he going to put yall in shackles? Some Whites act as if there was a deal to never speak about how they built this country: Forgive and forget. I think not we have the duty to never forget.Forgive sure, forget never!!!

By Ms Tucker If UR Nasty

June 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

I concede that McCain’s probably our next president, I also think he’s going to make the present guy look like a cub scout, and will fall on his face. My question is, are you supporters going to continue making excuses for failed policies borne out of a flawed concept called conservatism, that doesn’t conserve anything?

By disgusted

June 2, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

For a church that damns this government, they were there with their hands out and did not turn away any of the damned money: Obama’s Ex-Church Has Won $15M in Federal Grant Money

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/02/obamas-ex-church-has-won-15m-in-federal-grant-money/

By liberalsville

June 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

For the record, any church of Christ is not church of Christ when the pastor proudly yells, “God Damn America! God Damn America!” And any American who sits through that screed day in and day out needs his or her head examined. Oprah left 20 years ago. What’s Obama’s excuse?

Regarding head examination, one doesn’t have to look far to see stupidity in the Democrat Party and RINOs. Regarding the fallacy of global warming, there is a big fight going on between Bush and Congressional Democrats over $6 Trillion in new costs to the American economy if the Warner-Lieberman Bill were ramrodded down our throats. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0229748720080602

Barbara Boxer’s argument is just brilliant:

“Just when we finally have a chance to get off of Big Oil and foreign oil, you can count on the Bush administration to fight us every step of the way.”

Well Babs, here’s a clue: we could get off foreign oil if we could drill for for our own oil on our own soil, that you nimrods and your environmental interests on the left keep preventing us from doing year in and year out.

Your precious working class and lower class folks are having a harder time making ends meet at the dinner table in part because you Democrats and your precious environmental interests shoved corn based ethanol into our fuel tanks. I don’t think we need to hear another peep from you hairbrained old 1960s hippy liberals for a while regarding energy policy.

By Future Democrats Of America

June 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

We are starting out young learning how to steal from you and give to our causes.

BLOOMSBURG, Pa. — There were no merry men to protect a real-life Robin Hood who took $22,000 from a neighbor’s home and handed out the loot to needy friends, relatives and neighbors.

A future liberal in the making!

By candide

June 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Blacks have a very high level of paranoia. When they gather together, as in a church, the level rises even higher. Wright and Pfleger should teach them something other than paranoia. They were better taught on the plantations. Blacks have not had good teachers since then.

By George Washington

June 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

McCancer face is pandering to the pro israel crowd and the currently under federal investigation for treason AIPAC cowards, imho. Iran is not now, nor has it ever been a threat to America, so why is it number one on our foreign policy agenda? If you can’t figure that out for yourselves, then you must be non thinking neocon dittoheads of the wooden variety….We have wronged Iran many times over the last 65 odd years, and 1979 was just a downpayment on the beating we so richly deserve…..

By Stupid White Male

June 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

I guess I am just stupid, but could SOMEONE explain how the actions of that church facillitate the worship of God?

By Wake up!!

June 3, 2008 10:04 AM | Link to this

People have their own perceptions of other races. Stop assuming you know what is going on in a black church that you do not attend. The same with a white church. I’ve attended both and never did I feel out of place because of the color of my skin, nor did I feel like what the pastor/speaker was saying had to be taken away as my personal view. How many times have you worked in an office with a manager or supervisor that you did not agree with on politics, religion, etc? Do you throw away your career because that person does not share the same views as you 100% of the time. If you hear your boss make a racist comment, do you immediately confront him and quit your job? Sure you don’t. I am sure Obama did not agree 100% of the time what Wright was saying, but do you throw away the 90% of the things that you do both agree on or the things you’ve learned over the course of 20 years. Wake up people. You were mad when he was at the church and not that he is gone, you are even madder. What in the hell do you want from this man?

This is not about his religion. If you don’t want to vote for Obama, that’s fine. But please give a logical reason and not because you believe he hates whites. The man is half white. Give me a freakin break. Wright’s actions are not his own nor does anyone speak for any of the individuals on this blog other than that person themselves.

By Hasell Brown

June 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

As harsh as the press is being on Obama….I hope they look as deeply in McCain’s background….please don’t forget his voting record…particularly on minority issues….and his friendship with the Keating Five…which defrauded this nation out of billions in the S&L Scandal….and Neil Bush….

By Hasell Brown

June 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

As harsh as the press is being on Obama….I hope they look as deeply in McCain’s background….please don’t forget his voting record…particularly on minority issues….and his friendship with the Keating Five…which defrauded this nation out of billions in the S&L Scandal….and Neil Bush….