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DEL.ICIO.USWar on the Boy Scouts
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The war on the Boy Scouts continues. It’ll either accept gays or be driven from existence. The long struggle, now going on 20 years, strikes up again, this time in Philadelphia where the city is imposing a $200,000 per year fine on the Boy Scouts for declining to open its ranks to declared homosexuals.
It’s not a fine, literally. It’s rent on city-owned space that has been the Scouts’ headquarters for 80 years. The Scouts built the headquarters in 1928 and renovated it at a cost of $1.5 million in 1994. In addition, it pays about $60,000 per year to maintain it. The city owns the building and land and rents it to the Scouts for $1 per year.
The city has given the Scouts until Saturday to open their ranks to gays or to pay market rents.
The Boy Scouts filed suit in federal court, noting that Philadelphia has free and nominal-rate rents on other facilities with groups that limit membership, including The Colonial Dames of America and some church groups.
The Boy Scouts has a national policy that declares:
“Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scouting’s values and beliefs.”
The Supreme Court ruled eight years ago that as a private group the Scouts have a First Amendment right to bar gays. It essentially maintains a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy similar to the military. Under pressure, the Philadelphia Cradle of Liberty Council of the Boy Scouts adopted language it considers a compromise barring “unlawful discrimination.”
“They’re free to exercise their First Amendment rights,” said City Solicitor Shelley Smith. “What they’re not free to do is get a benefit from the city while violating our policy.” He said he didn’t know of other discrimination by groups with cut-rate city rents.
The $200,000 the city wants would fund summer camp for about 800 boys.
Cheap rent is a form of public money given to a preferred group. You take their money, you invite their rules — and their meddling. The solution for the Scouts is to sever all ties with government, to either buy the headquarters or negotiate for the city to buy out its interest in the building and to relocate.
If Philadelphia is successful in punishing the Boy Scouts, it will be a sad day for community and for groups like the Scouts that have a reasonable basis for enacting and maintaining the membership qualifications they do.
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By jbmlaw
May 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I think Jim Wooten hit the issue about right. The Boy Scouts have an inviolate right to set their membership and affiliate standards any way they wish. The overlords of the City of Philadelphia have the absolute right to steal taxpayer funds and misuse those any way the predators wish. The Boy Scouts deal with such entities of low morality at their peril. Intelligent leadership of the Scouts would impel severance of all relations with the immoral overlords. However, as many not-for-profits suffer with the mediocre management that often arises from the lack of profit incentive, one should not make any forecasts on the likely reaction of the charity. The worst alternative of all would see either side compromising its standards.
By James
May 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
If God doesn’t judge this nation He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah !
By TW
May 28, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
So what.
How about that McClellan guy saying his boss was an idiot who lied us into a war? Those inconvenient truths are a B*, eh Wooten?
Barr ‘08 The cleansing of the right has begun.
By Shar
May 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Well, jbmlaw and Mr. Wooten have started their day off with a heapin’ helpin’ of hyperbole.
No kudos for the City of Philadelphia contributing 80 years of free rent to the Boy Scouts? No rebuke for the Boy Scouts who take the public’s money but won’t sully their hands with the public itself, at least not the portions of which are gay, communist, atheist, agnostic or even girls? No acknowlegement that the Scout space in question is administrative in nature and no more important to the Philadelphian Scouts that the remarkably ugly Girl Scouts headquarters on the access road at I-85 and North Druid Hills is to Atlantan Girl Scouts? No reprimand to the Cradle of Liberty Scout leaders for knowing they violated the municipal ordinance outlawing discrimination in public venues since its passage in 1982, and whose response to the City’s demand that they agree to nondiscriminatory employment practices was to “Ignore the deadline. It’s the easiest option”? They have known about this specific action since 2003 and their only substantive response was to put language into their local charter saying they would not tolerate ‘unlawful discrimination’ only to be forced to rescind it by the national organization.
Mr. Wooten, there is no “War On The Boy Scouts” What an irresponsible, biased and inflammatory thing to write. Scouting goes on in church basements, people’s living rooms, community centers and the like, funded by the troop itself through popcorn sales and fees, which they have to remit at least 50% of to the regional chapter. Taking that much money from the kids who earn it is more rightly a “war on scouting” than a refusal to provide free choice office space.
My daughters were in Girl Scouting for over ten years, and the only time we ever went to the headquarter building was to buy badges from the store, pick up camp forms and give them money. The only Scout activity was one Mother-Daughter tea. In addition to the store space, the building serves as office space and for leader training. No Scout would be affected if they moved, which indeed they did several years ago.
This isn’t about denying young boys a chance to live the Scouting life; it’s the insistence of regional bureaucrats on having their nice offices paid for by the public while continuing to keep out those public elements it deems ‘undesirable’, through both membership and employment practices. The bureaucrats are merely using the image of those boys to manipulate public opinion. It seems to have worked with Mr. Wooten this morning.
By Martin
May 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Jim, as usual, confuses the issues and makes a mockery of the basic laws of logic.
Jim would like you to think that the fact that the Boy Scouts are being told to follow rules that everyone else has to follow constitutes a “War On Scouting”…
Jim would like you to think that the Boy Scouts SCOTUS confirmed right of free association trumps everyone elses free association rights.
Jim would like you to think that making individuals and groups accept the consequences of their decisions is a bad thing.
Jim, as many right-wingers do, is trying to say that getting special treatment and money from the government while at the same time breaking the rules is wrong UNLESS it’s for a cause Jim supports.
Full Disclosure: I’m a Cubmaster and think that Scouting should keep it’s free association rules intact. If that means no local, state, or federal governmental support then so be it. We’re better off without it - they can use that money to pay down their deficits.
By MADMOMMY
May 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
As a mother, you always worry about the safety of your children and with scouts it isn’t any different. We as American’s should be able to state who is allowed and who is not allowed in a private group. If I start a book club it is my right to allow or not allow people into the group and set the rules. The scouts have been battling this for years and I am sure over time things will change and they will allow gays in, just not anytime soon.
One thing I do remember from scouts is that they are teaching morals and ethics in a standard setting. If memory serves me right both the girl scouts and boy scout meetings were held at church, led by church leaders and opened with prayer along with the scouts pledge. Is this possible today? Maybe not, but that is where todays scouts have changed.
Hopefully when my daughter is old enough I can be her leader and hold the meetings are church and have them be faith based along with imparting the morals and codes of scouts.
By Chris
May 28, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
The Boy Scouts have accepted entitlements from the city of Philadelphia for 80 years it seems in the form of subsidized rent on the building in question. The Boy Scouts have every right to have a policy set forth banning anyone they see fit since they are a private organization. However, when the city, which owns the property, states that they (Boy Scouts) either let gays in and comply with city rules concerning city entitlements or pay full market rental rates, they (Philadelphia)are within their rights to do so.
jbmlaw and Mr. Wooten: You both are against entitlements such as these except when they promote your values as liberals are against the same entitlements unless they promote their core values. Both parties Republicans & Democrats are the same.
Why not treat everyone with respect and dignity? Isn’t all life precious? Love thy neighbors as you love God the Father.
By Eagle Jeff
May 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
Personally, why can’t we leave at least one group of people in tact with thier beleifs without the government interventions? - Boy Scouts have had a long standing of morals and values. Not to say that homo sexuals dont have morals and values, but we are dealing with boys in a time in thier lives that are impressionable. Isn’t it hard enough to keep kids off of drugs, tatto’s and what not? How do the girl scouts deal with the lesbian culture?
By Tim
May 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this
If the Boy Scouts want to exclude those members of society that are ” not like them”, then have at it… Just don’t try to do it on the publics dime. By the way, TW@ 9:08; I read that article too, Those on the right are afraid to even admit That kind of truth is even out there.
By Troglodyke
May 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
First of all, let me say that it gets very tiring to keep hearing about how Xtians are being persecuted in this country. This issue is one of the ones that comes up to bolster this fallacious argument. Xtians have ALL the power in the USA. “Secularists” (whoever they are) have virtually none. So lets put that to rest. You can’t have a majority—a vast majority, with representatives in the highest offices in the land—and claim that you are persecuted.
As to the BSA issue, I agree in principle that private organizations are allowed to discriminate against whoever they wish. However, the BSA does get government funding in the way of cheap rent, and that means they lose the right to discriminate.
I don’t give a crap how much money they spent to renovate a city-owned building. Buy the building, or rent it at fair-market value, and then you can do as you like.
No organization that gets government funding in this country should be allowed to discriminate against people (or proselytize to them). Pay your own way, BSA. What’s so hard about that?
In fact, I don’t care if the BSA ever allows gays. (I don’t know why gays want to be a part of it, anyway, but that’s just me.) I want them to pay their own way, period.
I don’t see why this is such a problem.
Can a “real” conservative tell me?
By Bill
May 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Link to this
I would be worried of the possibility of isolated cases of sexual abuse if you let homosexual men into the Boy Scouts. It’s not that homosexual men are more likely to be predatory, but the fact that the position exists means that mentally ill men of a predatory nature can target the available position as a source of work. It happened in the Catholic Church, it could happen to the Boy Scouts.
Then again, any such person could still get hired by the Boy Scouts if they just don’t reveal their sexual orientation.
Regardless, the Boy Scouts should have the right to set the criteria for admission into their organization. Whether or not people agree or disagree with them is irrelevant. And it is inappropriate for the state to be acting as a special interest group’s beat stick.
By bill
May 28, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
I would be worried of the possibility of isolated cases of sexual abuse if you let homosexual men into the Boy Scouts. It’s not that homosexual men are more likely to be predatory, but the fact that the position exists means that mentally ill men of a predatory nature can target the available position as a source of work. It happened in the Catholic Church, it could happen to the Boy Scouts.
Then again, any such person could still get hired by the Boy Scouts if they just don’t reveal their sexual orientation.
Regardless, the Boy Scouts should have the right to set the criteria for admission into their organization. Whether or not people agree or disagree with them is irrelevant. And it is inappropriate for the state to be acting as a special interest group’s beat stick.
By Redneck Convert
May 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Well, it looks like the Boy Scouts in Philadelphia will just have to move. The gays have just took over that city the way they have in the rest of the country.
Its just a shame people can’t be made to do You Know What in the reglar way. Now a bunch of gays want to get in the Boy Scouts to diddle with the boys. We are a reglar Sodom and Gonorrhea now.
And it will get worse if a librul Democrat is elected president. The gays will be lining up everyplace to marry and ruining our marriages. One day I halfway expect to come out of my trailer and see married gays living on each side of me. They will be the ones that the guvmint gives all the tax breaks to and I’ll be living in Sin. The guvmint probly won’t even recognize me as married just because I’m married to a woman. Then they will clog up the divorce courts and reglar people that want to split won’t be able to get near a judge.
Its come to the point the guvmint needs to put cameras in every bedroom just to be sure men and women ain’t doing You Know What together. If the guvmint can read peoples mail and look at their bank accounts without them knowing about it and to keep us safe from terrists, I don’t see why it can’t put in a few cameras.
Anyhow, I’m disgusted but I got beer to deliver. Have a good day everybody.
By A Boy Scout in Philly
May 28, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
The Boy Scouts of Cradle of Liberty Council, encompassing Montgomery and Philadelphia counties have been thrust onto the national stage and are representing an organization which has seen over 100 million boys pass through its ranks over 98 years. They have a dilemma which conflicts the core values of the Scouts with the open-lifestyle ideals of the East Coast. There is a reason this is not an issue in more conservative areas: it is wrong, both in scouts AND the community to be gay. Therefor no self-respecting politician would bring infringment suits on the local scouts.
No doubt, the city has a right to put standards on groups who get low rent. It just has to be across the board (one aspect of the suit). However, as the article notes, the building was built in 1929, by the hands and out of the coffers of the scouts.
In that time there has been no policy change within the Boy Scouts. Only the city has changed expectations. The BSA was established with a certain set of rules, for its own reasons. Boy Scouts quite simply is routed in 1910 religious beliefs. It stresses duty to God, and finds it contradictory to have gay leadership. It is not that they find them as lesser people, as some groups might, the national policy just finds that gay leaders are not role models to represent the 12th point of the scout law, which reads: A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obidient Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.
Similarly, created to protect the civilians of our fledgling country from Brits wanting to pillage and burn and to provide hunting opportunities, the Second Amendment. In the 200 something years, the circumstances of the law have changed. But still the law continues.
The National Council is going to offer no help to the council of the Philadelphia area. They will not get involved over a building.
People need to understand that the people of this council have no hatred for gays wanting to help improve the lives of local scouts. There are many in the system who realize they can do more good (sadly) by not expressing their homosexuality, and still being the fantastic volunteers they are.
Is it right? No. Should it be changed? Yes Does the Philadelphia Council have anything to do about it? No.
By Troglodyke
May 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this
First of all, let me say that it gets very tiring to keep hearing about how Xtians are being persecuted in this country. This issue is one of the ones that comes up to bolster this fallacious argument. Xtians have ALL the power in the USA. “Secularists” (whoever they are) have virtually none. So lets put that to rest. You can’t have a majority—a vast majority, with representatives in the highest offices in the land—and claim that you are persecuted.
As to the BSA issue, I agree in principle that private organizations are allowed to discriminate against whoever they wish. However, the BSA does get government funding in the way of cheap rent, and that means they lose the right to discriminate.
I don’t give a crap how much money they spent to renovate a city-owned building. Buy the building, or rent it at fair-market value, and then you can do as you like.
No organization that gets government funding in this country should be allowed to discriminate against people (or proselytize to them). Pay your own way, BSA. What’s so hard about that?
In fact, I don’t care if the BSA ever allows gays. (I don’t know why gays want to be a part of it, anyway, but that’s just me.) I want them to pay their own way, period.
I don’t see why this is such a problem.
Can a “real” conservative tell me?
By Disinterested
May 28, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
I would guestimate that .001% of the population gives a hoot about this story. However, liberals and conservatives alike will seize this issue today to promote their own agenda. Then tomorrow it is on to the next headline.
By saywhat?
May 28, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
The scouts prohibition on gay scouts and leaders is a disappointment to me . Its time the National leaders of Scouting recognize that homosexuality has nothing to do with morals, and every thing to do with biology.I have been a Scout leader for 6 years, and have 4 boys now involved in Scouting. I would have no problem with a leader or member of any of my boys’ units being gay. Philadelphia is right to issue the ultimatum.
As for the title of this column, I suppose everytime Jim gets a moving violation, he gets all self-righteous and declares it a war on motorists.
By Grob Hahn
May 28, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Get a copy of the American Boy’s Handy Book. It’s a major part of the basis for the Boy Scouts being formed. And Scouting is one American tradition that was readily adapted by the rest of the world and for a while was almost as common as Coca Cola. What most parents want to know is “Why are gay men fighting for the ‘right” to take young boys into the woods overnight?” If the BSA caves in on this, we will see a major part of the American story taking a back seat to compromised morals. Just because homosexuality is common does NOT mean it is in any way normal. The BSA should have pulled away from the government 15 years ago. They stay in government-owned facilities and think they are some kind of exception to government rules. They are not. If they don’t want homosexuals walking into the woods with our young boys, they MUST abandon their dependence on the government entirely. Sure there will be a dip and lots of BSA people will lose their jobs. But they will recover and will be proud to know they didn’t compromise on their morals. Even though the government compromised on them long ago. The BSA existed long before these government acceptance ideals were made into law (by American voters?). The BSA should be allowed to exist in their founded form, so they MUST get off the government titt NOW!!
Grobbbbb
By Dave
May 28, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
I think a lot of folks missed the part where the Boy Scouts built the building. It was not built with taxpayer money….not renovated with taxpayer money or maintained with taxpayer money.
It seems the city wants to charge rent on property that was given to them by the current renter.
By Adam
May 28, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
The Scouts should move to further protect their obligations regarding the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The most obvious way would be to exclude known Leftists and anyone suspected of voting Democrat.
By A Boy Scout In Philly
May 28, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Troglodyke (9:30am), gays would want to be a part of the BSA because of the good it does for boys from every walk of life. Perhaps you should try being a leader to understand the sense of accomplishment one gets when you watch a dozen twelve year-olds become Eagle Scouts, form strong bonds of brotherhood, and get college resume boosts because of it. Any person with a sense of community would want to help these boys.
Oh, and if we’ll be tossing around the fair market value crap, if the boy scouts decide to leave, should they have any right to sell the building back? At fair market value?
After all, the people of the council in the 1920s paid fair market value to build the building. Built it themselves. With their own money.
Obviously, the value of the building (BSA built and cared for) has increased. Lets see what the ruling of the land itself is.
By Dave
May 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
i wonder if Ted Haggard was a boy scout… How about larry Craig and Mark Foley…were they boy scouts? Was Dick Cheney’s daughter a girl scout? Nah… I’m sure they all practiced the “don’t ask, don’t policy” of the US Military…. SWEEEEEEET! ;-)
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
i wonder if Ted Haggard was a boy scout… How about larry Craig and Mark Foley…were they boy scouts? Was Dick Cheney’s daughter a girl scout? Nah… I’m sure they all practiced the “don’t ask, don’t policy” of the US Military…. SWEEEEEEET! ;-)
By ln
May 28, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
I hardly think Philadelphia is “punishing” the Scouts, and in fact, I think it’s inaccurate to say this is a “war” on them.
The fact of the matter is this. The Scouts are a private organization, so they think they are entitled to their own policies. Normally that’s fine. BUT (big but!)… They receive government subsidies renting land that is normally $200,000/year for only $1/year. Thus, the government — being the primary contributor of money — has every right to say, “Hey, Scouts! You’re violating our rules! Either stop, or we’ll stop giving you money.” That will happen with any government subsidy…
The way that I see it, the Scouts have a choice to make. Sever ties and make itself a TRUE private organization, or simply fade away into obsolescence, which is exactly where it was headed in the first place.
As a conservative blog, I’m surprised this author is not simply pushing for the Scouts to sever its ties with the government… Isn’t that what conservatism is all about, anyway?
By A Boy Scout in Philly
May 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
The stigma that homosexuals are automatically phedolphiles is clogging intelligent debate on this subject.
Why should parents be afraid of letting gay men “take young boys into the woods overnight” (Grob Hahn 9:40)
Is it that they will exit the woods as gay children? Or abused children?
Listen, there is no reason to bar gays from scouting on the grounds that they will touch little boys. Such ideas are utterly ignorant.
The decision that the national board made, and the Philadelphia region is being held for, is that homosexuality is not in line with the religious aspect of the BSA. Felons are barred from scouts based on the Trustworthy and Obidient aspects of the Law. Do not misunderstand that as equating felons to gays. (again, ignorance and idiocy)
The BSA has certain values and national policy finds dissonance between homosexuality and religious respect. It is a shame the national group will not lend its voice and take the spotlight off the hardworking Philadelphia scouts being held in contempt.
By Shar
May 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
Eagle Jeff @ 9:17 - I can’t say what the national Girl Scouts of American policy is toward lesbians, but I can tell you how it worked in one of my daughters’ troops. When they were Daisy Scouts and Brownies (in other words, very young) one of their troop members had two mommies, one had a daddy but no mommy, a few had a mommy but no daddy, and several had both. These girls were lucky enough to have parents who wanted to be involved with their activities, to give them the chance to experience all that Scouting has to offer. At no time, for no reason, was ANY parent’s sexuality relevant. No parent there would have tolerated any activity or discussion that presented another parent in a sexual light, regardless of orientation.
As the girls grew older, they gradually figured out that the two mommies were, in fact, lesbians. Around the same time, they figured out the same thing about a couple of their teachers, a principal, and the lifeguard at the swimming pool. However, these women had already established themselves as individuals, figures of authority who cared individually - but not sexually - about the girls in the troop. They knew, too, that any adverse remarks about those mommies would badly hurt the girl who was their daughter, so other than a few questions at home (and, I regret to say, a few snickers over the phone) the issue was ignored and generally deemed irrelevant.
Those same girls had a couple of Dad and daughter events every year, the Father/Daughter campout in the fall and the Father/Daughter dance in the spring. There were always dads who took along the girls who didn’t have their own dads, to both of these events, and no one any more suspected these dads of having illicit intentions towards the girls than they suspected the lesbian moms of perverse motives when they volunteered to go on camping trips. It was equally unthinkable and equally impossible. In fact, the only time it was ever brought up was by a drunk outside of the old American Legion building on Piedmont, where the Father/Daughter Dance used to be held (NOT, you will note, at the headquarters building!) He watched a parade of dressed-up dads with their girls walking into the hall and finally tried to get in himself, saying loudly that ‘if they were getting that much, he could have some, too.’ It’s a wonder he wasn’t killed.
When these girls had their last reunion recently before leaving for college, the mommies of every marital and sexual stripe were treated the same way - with affection and respect and appreciation for all we had done together for each other. No girl had been sexually approached by any parent in the group, regardless of gender or orientation, and all the girls had the benefit of support from all kinds of parents who didn’t happen to be in their own families.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Redneck…i guess ONLY liberals are gay right? Ast those that I mentioned above…tell me about ted Haggards “private prayer meetings” with Bush in the White House before he admited to hiring a male escort with “talibangelical” funds (since he was their leader and used his “expense account” to pay for gay sex…with a prostitute…and bought meth with those funds as well…
I guess Dick Cheney’s daughter is a “liberal” as well…and Mark Foley is “liberal” too…right? How many times did he vote against gay rights issues while hitting on underage male pages? Calling them up…asking what they were wearing…how “big” they were…
The only difference…is that gay liberals don’t hide their “biological” make-up… (except Dick’s daughter…he tried to hide that from the public himself)…
tell me what ALL you gay bashers think of Dick Cheney’s gay daughter having a baby…raising her…do you think that they should “take the baby away”…? curious as to your responses…..
and NO…I’m straight…but there is NOTHING wrong with people being gay…only things wrong with the “HATE” the talibangelicals have for “gays and mexicans”…
as your new “black”…in your KKK groups (ie:churches) is/are gays and mexicans….
By Tom in California
May 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
The Boy Scouts are not being “punished.” They are free to be as backwards and discriminatory as they choose to be. They just can’t do it on the public dime.
I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid. I bitterly regret that I ever belonged to the organization. It implicitly teaches boys intolerance. Its membership rules prevent boys from learning an important fact about the world: that you can still find good character in people who are different from yourself. If you want to teach boys that atheists or gay people don’t deserve respect, go ahead. But don’t come looking for public funds to do it!
The Girl Scouts long ago corrected this problem! What’s wrong with the Boy Scouts?
By Chuck Anziulewicz
May 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Link to this
DEAR JIM WOOTEN:
As you note, “The Scouts built the headquarters in 1928 and renovated it at a cost of $1.5 million in 1994. In addition, it pays about $60,000 per year to maintain it.”
Sounds to me like the organization has deep enough pockets to pay a fair-market rent. If the city of Philadelphia continued to give the Scouts a pass, it would be providing virtually free public space to a group that discriminates. And I, as a Gay American taxpayer, don’t want my tax dollars being used to support a group that discriminates against Gay people.
If you’re going to feed at the public trough, you’ve got to play by the rules.
By "when it's time to quit" Liz
May 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this
You claim to be patriotic Americans who support the BSA, but if you really were patriotic you would remember that our declaration says that we are “All Created Equal” and leave it at that.
I’m not gay, and I do support the scouts, but I’m very offended at your presumptions that because someone falls in love with a member of the same sex that they are considered less human. If the scouts want to maintain their right to ban gays they need to separate completely from the government, and go back in time where that type if prejudice is still tolerated.
By Truthifier
May 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
As usual, Jimmy Wooten is trying to deflect his reader’s attention away from serious news, like the fact that the former White House press secretary has said that the President and his Administration are a sham, with a cultural wedge issue. Jimmy, your attempt to turn back the clock to the “culture wars” of the 1990s is really dating you. Get with the times man!
I am curious though, what exactly is it that the BSA and Jimmy Wooten think will happen if the scouts allow a gay teenager to join their ranks? Was Jimmy hit on by a gay scout when he was a kid or something?
www.scoutingforall.org
By Tom in California
May 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
The Boy Scouts are not being “punished.” They are free to be as backwards and discriminatory as they choose to be. They just can’t do it on the public dime.
I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid. I bitterly regret that I ever belonged to the organization. It implicitly teaches boys intolerance. Its membership rules prevent boys from learning an important fact about the world: that you can still find good character in people who are different from yourself. If you want to teach boys that atheists or gay people don’t deserve respect, go ahead. But don’t come looking for public funds to do it!
The Girl Scouts long ago corrected this problem! What’s wrong with the Boy Scouts?
By deegee
May 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
I wonder how many of the boy scouts that are caught up in this controversy have developed to a point where they know that they are not attracted to girl scouts? I suppose that they are casualties in the unholy war against the Christian theocrats.
By ron
May 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Good morning all,I certainly would have no problem taking my children out of scouting if a troop were to allow gays.I’ve seen too much over my lifetime not to know that gays in the Scouts are going to create a problem.As a boy,I couldn’t join the Girl Scouts and I pretty much understood why.It had to do with sexual orientation.I was biologically programmed to chase little girls.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
Well, I could do without this one. But….
For what ever reason, “gays” have abnormal sex. Anatomy confirms that abnormality. Gays consider their “abnormality” as normal. Others do not.
Boy Scout leaders do not want boys exposed to men who practice abnormal sex. Although gay men are not usually child molestors, those who sexually invade children are often gay. Adults can make adult decisions about sex. Children can be misled or forced.
I am with the Boy Scouts in advocating all things “good and normal” for boys. If the city of Philadelphia uses its laws of non discrimination as an OK to stop the practice of “good and normal” for an organization, I cannot agree with them.
Children are cherished in their innocence and not to be used to portray any governmental contrivance.
By Bill
May 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
BSA should stay with thier morals.This country has fallen flat on its face.God help us all.
By Bill
May 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
BSA should stay with thier morals.This country has fallen flat on its face.God help us all.
By Angry Liberaltarian
May 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Link to this
Good for Philadelphia. As a former Scout, the BSA is doinga disservice to their mission. A scout is KIND. Kindness requires acceptance and tolerance, both of which are severely lacking when you discriminate against other children because of sexual orientation. Camping, merit badges, nature studies should be open to all children, not restricted to blond haired Aryan christians. The Scouts have left the path and should be left to wander in the wilderness.
By gay former scout
May 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
I’m gay and I was a boy scout (made it to Life).
Let’s stop with all this sanctimonious crap about how moral and upstanding scouts are. The BSA is one of the most bigoted, hypocritical organizations in existence. It’s just a big frat house.
Most of those “morals” disintegrate after the oath. In the four years I was a scout I never saw more dishonesty, back biting, jealousy, prejudice, or outright thievery. I attended two national jamborees and there were two or three fights between troops or within troops every day for the two weeks I attended. Since I was in the scouts in the south, I learned all kinds of racial slurs and jokes from all these “moral” young men. And the scoutmasters are usually losers that wished they had been in the army but instead get their willys pushing pre-teens around. That doesn’t include the pedophiles (yes, I saw it…and these were married men).
It doesn’t matter how much money the scouts have spent on this bulding…if they get any break at the public’s expense (including from gays that pay taxes) then they should lose that privledges or change their discrinatory policies.
By @@@@
May 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Dusty, get your facts straight. Pun intended. The VAST majority of those who “sexually invade” children are heterosexual. And please don’t respond with some statistics from anyone with Reverend in front of their name.
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
These kind of yanKKKee queers in Philly are nasty pinKKKo leftist scum who wanna queer the pitch so every queer can be openly queer and be mighty proud of bein’ queer whilst making sure that queers don’t get queer looks whilst being queer.
This far left screeching about opening up the boy scouts for mincing poofs and f agg ots is all about maximising opportunities for homosexual predators. Its sick and despicable!! If the queers wanna have child molesting group like NAMBLA then let them deal with the not harsh enough laws protecting children. Funny how several ACLU lawyer criminals have been found guilty on child porn … yet these depraved ACLU scum anally protect NAMBLA and defend their “free speech” rights. See how sick the far left perverts are. Bet Bwarnet Fwank types are salivating in Philly today.
KEEP ALL QUEERS OUT OF THE BOY SCOUTS!!
By peter
May 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
Well Jim, again we talk about something, and you call it a “WAR”….. seems the Rights can’t get enough of WAR.
Gosh we have to have our WARS, I would think at this point in time all the Good Church going Rights would realize, that is not part of God’s plans for the human race.
I guess the part “Though shall not kill” has been omitted form the thought process?
Funny one can go to church on the weekend, and be a WAR monger during the week, and all is cool.
Well the Boy Scouts should not have to deal with Homosexuality if they do not want too. But hey since they get any type of Local, Federal or state funding then they will have to change their tune.
It seems that simple, why are you making this an issue anyway?
WAR is that FUN word the Right likes to throw around, even JBMLAW states we need WAR for Democracy?
Jim, what do you make of the comments out of McClellan’s new book?
• “History appears poised to confirm what most Americans today have decided: that the decision to invade Iraq was a serious strategic blunder. No one, including me, can know with absolute certainty how the war will be viewed decades from now when we can more fully understand its impact. What I do know is that war should only be waged when necessary, and the Iraq war was not necessary.”
Seems like we are were totally lied too, about this made up WAR!
Is this another example of the Rights Rhetoric, along with “Family Values”.
The rhetoric goes on, nothing changes, and Americans have become the losers in Bush’s BIG GAME!
By staythecourse
May 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Just about anything “straight” is getting beat up these days. We would not allow a 16yr old boy to camp with 16yr old girl on a Scouting trip, why should we allow two 16yr old homosexual boys camp together? BSA is not the place.
I am all for gays experiencing the Scouts, I am just worried about phyiscal situations that could arise from certain Scouting activities.
I certainly do not hate gay people. Life is precious thing and we all have a course to chart and follow. If one of my boys grow up and choose the gay lifestyle, I will not disown him. But his life may take a different path than that of a straight man.
In the end, I hope the Scouts can get away from this Philadelphia building or get the funding to stay their course.
By deegee
May 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Learning who to hit on and not to hit on is a part of growing up regardless of your sexual orientation. Rejection is emotionally painful. For gay teenagers it can be physically and emotionally painful. Straight parents need not fear that their straight teenager is going to turn gay by association with a gay counterpart any more than sharing a cubicle with a gay coworker will turn the parent gay.
By former scout
May 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this
Last line in the Scout Oath, “and morally straight”. Homosexuals CANNOT abide by or live with this. Despite whatever the homosexual community thinks, their lifestyle(s) cannot produce a morally straight individual. They simply cannot except the fact that those that practice such a lifestyle are reprobates, Gods words, not mine. Trying to get the populous to accept them as they are is not a conscience cleaner. If the homosexuals have to be in a scout program, quit the lifestyle or get a charter from the government and start their own, and exclude non-homosexuals. The scout program has been around for years and is a great asset to communities that support them. Communities that threaten to discontinue their support unless the Boy Scouts sign up homosexuals wishing to join is pathetic and the officials supporting this are spineless, and morally un-straight. The majority of homosexuals that are asked what most they would change about their lives would be, to not be a homosexual. To be accepted publicly would only numb the conscience of a lifestyle that is best avoided. God bless the youth that want to accept the Scout Lifestyle as a personal commitment to follow its oaths and rules, not to change them to fit their personal lifestyles.
By former scout
May 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Last line in the Scout Oath, “and morally straight”. Homosexuals CANNOT abide by or live with this. Despite whatever the homosexual community thinks, their lifestyle(s) cannot produce a morally straight individual. They simply cannot except the fact that those that practice such a lifestyle are reprobates, Gods words, not mine. Trying to get the populous to accept them as they are is not a conscience cleaner. If the homosexuals have to be in a scout program, quit the lifestyle or get a charter from the government and start their own, and exclude non-homosexuals. The scout program has been around for years and is a great asset to communities that support them. Communities that threaten to discontinue their support unless the Boy Scouts sign up homosexuals wishing to join is pathetic and the officials supporting this are spineless, and morally un-straight. The majority of homosexuals that are asked what most they would change about their lives would be, to not be a homosexual. To be accepted publicly would only numb the conscience of a lifestyle that is best avoided. God bless the youth that want to accept the Scout Lifestyle as a personal commitment to follow its oaths and rules, not to change them to fit their personal lifestyles.
By Shar
May 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
No changes in the way that Scouting operates are being imposed in this case. BSA is a private organization and the Court has established the right of private groups to conduct themselves as they choose, within the limits of the law.
This is about whether a group can or should continue to receive public subsidies while ignoring public law.
By Just Nasty and Mean
May 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Wow! This brings a WHOLE NEW MEANING to the phrase “City of Brotherly Love”.
By Abandoned
May 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
If the Scouts offered a few of their tender young ones to the “gays” would that appease their opposition?
By daughter of a scout master
May 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
My dad is a BSA scout master and has been for 30 years. I don’t know about other troops but he stands for God, good morals and teaches his boys to be good Christian men. He makes them work for their Eagle badge unlike some troops who go the easy way out and women are not allowed on camping trips. Women do not belong in BSA they have the Girl Scouts for them. As for paying for their headquarters why don’t they just buy it from the city. They paid to build it and renovate it, why would they pay rent on it?
By gay former scout
May 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
to Former scout:
I’m sure I know more homosexuals than you do and I can definitely tell you that none of them wish they were heterosexual…you don’t know what you are talking about..get your head out of your a$$ because your talking crap…and by the way, you only have post once…be patient.
Most gay men wouldn’t touch the boy scouts with 100 foot pole…in fact..news flash…most of us can’t stand being around heterosexual men because you are all fat, ugly and god-awful boring…but I make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes and I don’t want it to benefit bigoted jerks like you.
to Death to Liberalism…(aka that dumba$$ limey). The only thing wrong with this country is that people like you aren’t taken out in front of a wall and shot. I’d pull the trigger on your F-word spouting hide..no problem.
By bill
May 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Link to this
Normally, when Scouting is discussed in this type forum, the impression is that BSA is a monolithic organization managed from the home office in Texas. This is not a totally accurate picture. It is true that there are a set of national polices and procedures that must be followed for legal and liability reasons, but the view of BSA as a corporate entity doesn’t capture the essence of the organization. The BSA is granted a charter from the United States Congress to operate the program in this country. BSA in turn charters it’s program to sponsoring organizations which are churchs, civic organizations, and service organizations. The BSA program is reflective of the values of these organizations. It is the option of the charter organization whether it continues to host/sponsor the Scout unit. As an example, if a court requires BSA to admit homosexual men as Scout leaders, the sponsor (church) simply drops the sponsorship of the unit. The unit ceases to exist; end of subject. So, BSA has spent countless dollars in legal altercations against those who would seek to dictate national policies and procedures. At the end of the day, BSA has only served as a lightening rod for the charter organization. Those who seek to re-form the BSA into a more palatable organization should really just file suit against the Catholic, Methodist, and LDS church to require them to admit homosexuals to the leadership and ministry. We all know that those organizations and many others are based on their individual beliefs, not what is required by a court order. All that being said, I don’t condone discrimination under any circumstances, I find it in total disagreement to my judeo-christian heritage, as well as a poor example to our youth of how we relate to others. In my opinion, the BSA is entitled to the same considerations as any other organization that is sanctioned by the United States Congress, no more, no less.
By D
May 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
this is cut and dry :Scouts have right to say what they want but since it is a public space, public anti-discramantions laws kick in. it is very simple. if the scouts refuse to accept the rules of goverment bulidings, then they can leave
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Ron..why don’t you say the “same thing” about taking your kids out of church…1 to get away from “gay pastors” (as like priests they too are human and sometimes pedos)….and 2 to keep them from the “hate” spewed from the pulpit?
Boyscouts are NOT the problem…BIGGOTS are…there are gays in every single facit of life… they are in your church…in your schools, in your office…and in your neighborhood…
maybe you should just lock them up (your kids that is), and homeschool them…protect them from the “true outsdie world”…
hey…this might be an IDEA!..why not teach them to LOVE AND ACCEPT ALL PEOPLE?! As that is what your so called “jesus” did….
and to set the “facts” straight…there are FAR more “staight” pedophiles in prison…something along the lines of 20 to 1 (vs. gay pedophiles)…
If I was you…i’d be WAY more worried about “pedophiles” in general…don’t brand “gays” as such…your true bigotry is showing…(as the same goes for many here)….
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
@@@@@ 10:47
We are talking about BOYS here as in BOY SCOUTS. Suppose you give me statistics that show boys are NOT molested by gays but by heterosexuals. You might also give me the statistics that show how many GAY MEN are sexually interested in FEMALES of any age.
By Tom
May 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
former scout (10:57)…..even including the satirical posts in this blog, yours has to be the most ignorant one yet.
“God’s words” were written two millenia ago by very human, very fallible men who had their own bigotries, prejudices and insecurities and injescted the same into their writings of “God’s words”.
Nobody needs to “except”(sic) anything about homosexuals being “reprobates”, because they quite simply are not.
Get your nose out of the Old Testament and try reading something that speaks to sexual orientation based on facts and research, and not blind faith.
Sheesh.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Dust Rag….why don’t you tell ME (and US) thte statistics of gay pedos VS. Straight pedos…most of all males raping little girls…it’s not even CLOSE!!!!
If you need me to..I WILL post the statistics of gay pedos vs. straight ones…
Yet I’m sure you don’t want to see those numbers…it’s “straight males” who are the BIGGEST group of predators and child molestors…again…it’s not even close!
Hate filled people… nice of you to feel so much hate…
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
gay former scout, Who’s intolerant? You’ve just threatened someones life with a gun. I would rather not have gays, such as you, in the scouts preaching hate. If the world were full of gays then the population would die out. Maybe that would be a good thing. I don’t know, but I do know that being a heterosexual is great. And no, I’m athletic and have an amazing hot wife. Go form your own gay scouts because none of us real scouts care. Leave us alone.
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
@ the yellowbellied screeching DEATH THREAT PUKING f aggo t:
to Death to Liberalism…(aka that dumba$$ limey). The only thing wrong with this country is that people like you aren’t taken out in front of a wall and shot. I’d pull the trigger on your F-word spouting hide..no problem.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA … damn that was freaking hilarious … LMFAO … best limp wristed SISSY fit in months on here … LMFAO!!
U even puked up a “racist” anti-Brit epithet … snigger snigger snigger.
winding up shirt lifting f aggot s like U is fabulous cyber sport.
Dusty as usual is absolutely right, homosexual buttock bouncing (and even more perverted filth in AIDS infested bathhouses) is NOT natural.
For a split second at least it will be amusing to see whether aborted foreskin ANALLY condemns your gutless unprovoked f aggo ty sick death threat, though as I naturally assume the self absorbed aborted foreskin ONLY cares about far left anally unfunny narcissistic leftist pukes being “targeted”.
most of us can’t stand being around heterosexual men because you are all fat, ugly and god-awful boring…
Seriously though mister homosexual mincer … please keep your psychotic anti-normal folks hate coming … it was fabulously amusing.
U obviously have serious mental problems, hating normal non-queer folks to such a manic degree is NOT healthy… seek help immediately. There are numerous caring Christian groups that will work with U to help you get over your f aggotry!!
Just remember this bollock chops, come July 1st Sonny and the GOP GA House with the excellent HB 89 have made it possible for law abiding folks to defend themselves in even more public places in GA.
A law abiding concealed carry permit holding GOP voting US citizen.
I LUV MY GLOCK … smirk!
By Amy
May 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
Before you all get on your high horses about the Boy Scouts wanting free rent, go back & READ the article, yes the city owns the land, but the Boy Scouts built (with Boy Scout funds) the building & have maintained it for 80 years. They gave it to the city with the agreement from the city that they could rent it back for a dollar a year in perpetuam. The city has renigged on the deal because they have no morals! As far as no scout ever sees the inside of the building, ask any Eagle Scout if they’ve seen the inside of the building, I’m sure they’d all say yes. What goes on in that building? Money is raised to fund programs, unit leaders are often trained to protect our children & lead good programs, programs are planned, Philly has loads of inner city kids that have no money & very scary lifes & scouts may be there only safe haven, the one program that offers them a chance to get out of the city & go camping! All I can say is go Boy Scouts-sue the City of “Brotherly Love”!!
By Troglodyke
May 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Last line in the Scout Oath, “and morally straight”. Homosexuals CANNOT abide by or live with this. Despite whatever the homosexual community thinks, their lifestyle(s) cannot produce a morally straight individual. They simply cannot except the fact that those that practice such a lifestyle are reprobates, Gods words, not mine.
Oh, what a fragrant crock of crap.
I love it when the religious nutjobs say stuff like this then quickly tack on “God’s words, not mine.” Riiiiiight.
Religion makes you too stupid to interpret your own holy book, and too stupid to care.
Religion is for idiots. The proof is all around us.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
hers ya go Dust RAG….I’m sure this will go over your head… instead of watching fox news…learn to READ!!!!
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html
Straight men are the “largest group” of child molesters…and even though they are “straight”…a pedo…by definition…is “attracted to CHILDREN” both boys and girls…so…
let me explain this to you so your simple brain can comprehend: pedophiles like CHILDREN…boys and girls…but MOST pedophiles are MEN THAT ABUSE GIRLS….
got it? (doubtful)
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Shar@10:59
You are such a bright star liberal even when you talk out both sides of your mouth.
When your daughter was subjected to unseemly behavior at school, you did not say let her stay and learn to live with this behavior. Why not? The school said this individual had rights and inferred that he was not interfering with hers.
Why did you not stand up for her rights? You pay taxes for public schools. Instead, you took her to a safer private school. You did not say this school should get NO government funds because they discriminated against your daughter.
Maybe liberals also have a “motto”: It may be good for others but let us decide about our own.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Troglodyke, Please form your own gay scout club and leave the boy scouts alone. I am an educated “religious” person and don’t consider myself an idiot.
DaveD, Lay off the cocaine, dude.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
yes AMY….the city owns the “land”…they are NOT charging rent for the building…but the very “land” it sits on…what part do you not understand about that? Same goes in Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, etc. Even if one owns the building…yet the land is “leased”…it MUST pay rent…at the “current rate”….once again…another one that need to “educate” themself beside listening to Rush or Hannity…you know…the 2 collge “drop outs”….me? I prefer those with ADVANCED DEGREES for my information…
Ever hear of a “library”…? Stop thinking the bible is “true”…as it belongs in the library…filed under “fiction”….
sad you do not know how the “world….WORKS”….too bad the boyscouts dod not buy the LAND back then….
guess what? The EMPIRE STATE BUILDING pays RENT to the city of NY! Should they (the owners of it) too get a reduced rate? Or just straight pedophile boyscout troop leaders? ;-0
By Hah
May 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
I think DEATH TO LIBERALISM doth protest too much.
By bill
May 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Gee, I see, “Don’t ask, don’t tell;” as good for the military but bad for scouting. I would prefer there be no closets. While pedophilia is a greater problem with heterosexuals that is the fear that drives these exclusionary practices. Shouldn’t children get real experience dealing with homosexuals in person instead of from sitcom reruns?
By An Eagle Scout
May 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
I am an Eagle Scout and who, as a child in Scouting, was molested by an adult volunteer. I fully support the preference made by the Boy Scouts of America to form a group of people who share common interests and are aligned by the same standards. We believe morally straight is more than just part of a phrase, but a standard for life. The great experiment of labeling every lifestyle as perfectly acceptable has created a cancer in America.
Many of you are laughing out loud at my thoughts; perhaps some of you are even scared that a person in this time thinks that honoring God, family and country are valued. The thought that some of us believe premarital sex is wrong, that marriage is to be between a man and a woman, that sex outside of marriage is wrong is unthinkable to many of you, I am sure. The Bible says that what is right will seem foolish to those who are not righteous. I am not righteous, but I strive to be. The Boy Scouts added to a foundation began by my parents and bolstered by a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Please do not spin the fact that I was molested by an adult Scout volunteer as affecting my opinion on this. I realize the difference in a person being a homosexual and a person being a pedophile. Any person abusing their leadership role, as this leader did, should be removed and possibly prosecuted. This would include priests, pastors, politicians and anyone else in a leadership role.
To believe that there is a war against the individual, against standards of living, against the church and groups such as the Boy Scouts is either naïve or an indication that the person holding the belief is part of the problem.
By Abomi Nation
May 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
Yes Troglodyke, the infamous “morally straight” line. God’s word.
At the same time ignoring God’s word when it convieniently covers up their own indiscretions.
There are what, thousands of divorced scout leaders out there? Can you believe these morally corrupt people are allowed to guide our youth? Jesus himself called divorce an abomination and yet these people are allowed to camp with our children!!!
Attention Boy Scouts! This will lead our children into a life of divorce! This child may latter try to marry animals!!
The Bible says to round up all the immoral divorced people and keep them away from our children. Hate the sin love the sinner. Divorce is a choice.
Its in the Bible. God’s word.
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
@ DickweedDave
your pathetic puke up the bleeding obvious post adds NOTHING to the debate.
Obviously sick male paedophiles who prey on young girls heavily outnumber queer homosexual paedophiles. SO WHAT??? This merely reflects the normal, natural so called heterosexual sex drive in almost everyone except f aggots and d ykes. Did you also know it can ONLY rain when its at least a little bit cloudy.
BUT - the never ending cycle of abuse of other boys in later life by young boys/teens abused by older paedophiles is staggering. Keeping queers out of a PRIVATE org, as allowed by SCOTUS is perfectly reasonable. Leftist filth ONLY approve of social engineering when THEIR ‘adherents’ are being excluded.
Leftist fascists need to STOP forcing normal folks to accept queers - tolerance is one thing, homosexuals following the laws should be left to QUIETLY live how they choose. Forced acceptance of queers is utterly despicable and will ALWAYS be resisted by the normal reasonable majority.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
DaveD, You have no right to tell ANYONE what to believe. Are you now a theologian? I have an MBA from Duke and I know that I am FAR more advanced than you. A degree in journalism does not make a person smarter than you or I. I can make up my own mind, based on common sense and education, about who to listen to. You have a vendetta against Rush and Hannity and that’s your problem. Not mine.
By the way, the Bible has been around longer than ANY other written book. I’ll choose to believe that over a sniveling little snot such as yourself. If you ever wonder why people despise liberalism then you should take a look at yourself.
By bill
May 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Gee, I see, “Don’t ask, don’t tell;” as good for military but bad for scouting. I would prefer there be no closets. While pedophilia is a greater problem with heterosexuals that is the fear that drives these exclusionary practices. Shouldn’t children get real experience dealing with homosexuals in person instead of from sitcom reruns?
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
The “truth” (meaning the propagandist that supported this war in Iraq..haha)…
Cocaine? Nah…what YOU need to do..is lay off that bible…learn to READ the “truth”…
Sad you think that a dude named Noah once had an ARK…
but if he did…that makes him you relative…and what happened to those that were already colored, or asian, or indian? Did Noah round them up as well? What happens if they were infertile? Maybe there were MORE races…and some WERE infertile!!!!
PEDOS are STRAIGHT WHITE GUYS THAY LIKE LITTLE KIDS…most of all: little girls….
YOU might need to take a DEEP look into your mirror…
stop telling lies…sad you do not KNOW they are lies…sad you fail to EDUCATE yourself….
once agian….READ!!!! (not those that had c- averages and did not finish college)…read those that have made their LIVES about learning…teaching…sharing..
too much for you..i know..i know..
enjoy that SUV and $4 gas!
By anonymous
May 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Once again Mr. Wooten has opened the flood gates of bias and hostility. I’m sure he will pray for everyone to love one another at church this Sunday.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
David D. @11:36
Once again, today’s subject is about BOY SCOUTS, not little girls.
As to hate, I find plenty of hate in your post. I am interested in the welfare of children. Today, we are discussing Boy Scouts, a most worthwhile institution.
I think gays have the civil rights of all citizens. They have established and celebrated their own reputation of “alternative” sexual behavior. I do not think their fields of endeavor and example should be in the classes and clubs of impressionable children.
The Boy Scouts feel the same way. They probably learned from unfortunate past experiences they wish to avoid. The Catholic Church also learned. They started “rehab” by removing known gays from seminaries. Why do you think they did that?
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
The “truth” (meaning the propagandist that supported this war in Iraq..haha)…
Cocaine? Nah…what YOU need to do..is lay off that bible…learn to READ the “truth”…
Sad you think that a dude named Noah once had an ARK…
but if he did…that makes him you relative…and what happened to those that were already colored, or asian, or indian? Did Noah round them up as well? What happens if they were infertile? Maybe there were MORE races…and some WERE infertile!!!!
PEDOS are STRAIGHT WHITE GUYS THAY LIKE LITTLE KIDS…most of all: little girls….
YOU might need to take a DEEP look into your mirror…
stop telling lies…sad you do not KNOW they are lies…sad you fail to EDUCATE yourself….
once agian….READ!!!! (not those that had c- averages and did not finish college)…read those that have made their LIVES about learning…teaching…sharing..
too much for you..i know..i know..
enjoy that SUV and $4 gas!
By T
May 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
DaveD, Dude, you seriously need help. SUV? I drive a beemer my friend. I can afford the gas. Yep, damn straight I support the war and the troops. I have friends over there right now. I’ll gladly continue to believe the Bible. You’ll eventually die and the Bible will still be around. By the way, my GPA was 3.84. Hardly a C average. Curious. Where did you go to college and what did you get a degree in?
By David
May 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
This is simple. The Scouts need to go find another hall to rent - or find some other way to administrate in the virtual space (home office/internet comes to mind). The Scouts need to keep their policy intact, and to do so they simply need to vacate the premisses. Just Do It.
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
DickweedDave must be a black hate pig … maybe even a queer black hate pig … snigger
there are at least as many paedophiles amongst blacks and mexican types and other races as white folks … sadly such despicable behaviour is common amongst all races/creeds etc.
just watch WSB … in amongst the unremitting daily stream of black thugs and criminals and the fast increasing mexican type criminals are black and mexican type child molestors.
ALL child molestors are SCUM - regardless of colour!!
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Ahhh..”THE TRUTH” (THE LIAR IS A BETTER NAME)…Duke? MBA means you understand the human mind correct? and NO…you do NOT hold a more “advanced degree than I”…the very way you write shows me the level of your education….
let us state some studies and facts (I’ll leave the bible out this time…that fiction written back when they thought the world was flat and thunder happend because “your” god was p**…haha..hehe…chuckle chuckle)…
*”In 1978 psychologist Nicholas Groth screened 175 men who had been convicted in Massachusetts of sexual molestation of children and referred by a court for psychological evaluation. He found not a single gay man in this sample. Every one of the perpetrators was either an exclusive heterosexual, a bisexual with a predominantly heterosexual orientation, or a fixated pedophile with no sexual interest in adults.[4]
His conclusion? That “the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male.”
In the same year, researcher David Newton reviewed the scientific literature and found no reason to believe that anything other than a “random connection” existed between homosexual orientation and child molestation.[5]
Later research has confirmed these findings:
In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.[6] He later described as a “myth” the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.[7] In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children’s Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater.[8]”*
Now…show me YOUR studies…please leave out “focus on the family”….as they are too run by “old white pedophiles”….(yeah i’m white…but you white guys make me sad)….
DEATH TO LIBERALISM…
you stated:
“Obviously sick male paedophiles who prey on young girls heavily outnumber queer homosexual paedophiles. SO WHAT??? This merely reflects the normal, natural so called heterosexual sex drive in almost everyone except f aggots and d ykes”
so what you just said was…that it; OK to rape little girls if you are a male…that it’s NORMAL…those are YOUR words…
So sad…so sick… shows hw TRULY stupid ANYONE that voted for BUSH…even ONCE…was…
wow…you need to be investigated…you truly do…you have some “faulty logic” spinning in your pea brain…and to be honest…it’s SCARY!!!!
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Ahhh..”THE TRUTH” (THE LIAR IS A BETTER NAME)…Duke? MBA means you understand the human mind correct? and NO…you do NOT hold a more “advanced degree than I”…the very way you write shows me the level of your education….
let us state some studies and facts (I’ll leave the bible out this time…that fiction written back when they thought the world was flat and thunder happend because “your” god was p**…haha..hehe…chuckle chuckle)…
*”In 1978 psychologist Nicholas Groth screened 175 men who had been convicted in Massachusetts of sexual molestation of children and referred by a court for psychological evaluation. He found not a single gay man in this sample. Every one of the perpetrators was either an exclusive heterosexual, a bisexual with a predominantly heterosexual orientation, or a fixated pedophile with no sexual interest in adults.[4]
His conclusion? That “the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male.”
In the same year, researcher David Newton reviewed the scientific literature and found no reason to believe that anything other than a “random connection” existed between homosexual orientation and child molestation.[5]
Later research has confirmed these findings:
In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.[6] He later described as a “myth” the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.[7] In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children’s Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater.[8]”*
Now…show me YOUR studies…please leave out “focus on the family”….as they are too run by “old white pedophiles”….(yeah i’m white…but you white guys make me sad)….
DEATH TO LIBERALISM…
you stated:
“Obviously sick male paedophiles who prey on young girls heavily outnumber queer homosexual paedophiles. SO WHAT??? This merely reflects the normal, natural so called heterosexual sex drive in almost everyone except f aggots and d ykes”
so what you just said was…that it; OK to rape little girls if you are a male…that it’s NORMAL…those are YOUR words…
So sad…so sick… shows hw TRULY stupid ANYONE that voted for BUSH…even ONCE…was…
wow…you need to be investigated…you truly do…you have some “faulty logic” spinning in your pea brain…and to be honest…it’s SCARY!!!!
By dj
May 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
The Boy Scouts have the same rights under the law as any other group that has discrimination written into it’s policies, whether it be religious groups, the KKK, the Masons, etc. Government funding or freebies should not go to groups that discriminate. What I still don’t understand, as a former Girl Scout, is why the Girl Scouts accept gay and atheist members, but the Boy Scouts do not. Men are sooooooooo insecure!
By Jen
May 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
Not picking any one person out but I have to respond to THIS sentiment: Last line in the Scout Oath, “and morally straight”. Homosexuals CANNOT abide by or live with this.
Since when did morally = sexually?
I thought morality had to do with goodness versus evilness.
To degrade the power of that definition by aligning it with sexuality is a terrible disservice to the real good and evil people out there.
Gay people aren’t EVIL and they’re not “not good”.
Gay SEX isn’t EVIL. Evil is defined by that which causes great harm? You will never convince me that two people having consensual sex is ever EVIL.
As for the Girl Scouts - they have no policy barring openly gay women from leading or being scouts.
By Abomi Nation
May 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Hey all, lets not forget the next “war” we need to fight.
An important “war” we need to start preparing for is the “War Against Christmas in July.”
Last year there were 16,933 verified cases of department stores advertising “X-mas in July” sales. A total abomination. Prepare for battle. Don’t let them take “Christ” out of “Christmas in July.”
Another disgusting display of ignorance are some of the “Christmas in July” nativity scenes. Last year it was shocking to see the Virgin Mary wearing a bikini in one scene. Another Christmas in July nativity scene used sand instead of snow, unacceptable.
Please advise those creating these abominations to use fake snow, desert sand is not a morally accepted nativity scene prop, and is an abomination.
Please help us maintain the sanctity of “Christmas in July.”
Remember, don’t take Christ out of “Christmas in July.” Do it for Jesus. With your help we will win the War on Christmas in July.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
DaveD, Keep believing in your “intelligence.” I’m sure it will serve you well when you die. Also, I was writing so that you could understand. Sometimes when I talk to children I have to dumb down my language so that they can understand. Get it?
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
HEY….DUST RAG AND “THE LIE” (the truth)..show me your studies… MBA “The Truth”…so what…from Duke? Show me how that in itself…shows me…how YOU understand human nature… how it is WHITE MEN, that take advantage of little white girls…more than ANY OTHER group of pedos….? Teach me what your bible says…because YOU need to read THIS:
As YOUR BIBLE SAYS (ALL DIRECT QUOTES):
Incest: raping your sister; impregnating your daughers; marrying your sister; impregnating your daughter-in-law II Sam. 13:1-22 Gen. 19:36 Gen. 20:12 Gen. 38:13-27
Forbidding women to learn, adorn themselves, speak in church, teach or visit friends I Cor. 14:34-35 I Tim. 2:11-12 I Tim. 5:13 I Tim. 2:9
Having repeated sexual intercourse in public view with your neighbor’s wives and your fathers’ wives II Sam. 12:11 II Sam. 16:22
Having sexual relations with your wife and her mother Lev. 20:14
Kidnapping virgins for sex partners Judges 21:7-14
Refusing to heal a child because of its race Matt. 15:26
EXPLAIN these things in YOUR BIBLE…I did not MAKE THEM UP…These are direct quotes…and directions to find these things…
The bible…YOUR BIBLE…to be honest…might just be..the most EVIL collection of stories ever written…
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
DickweedDave
sick perverted human SCUM like yourself need to be deported from Dixie and immediately sent back up north!!!
ALL of my posts have been anti-paedophiles - of whatever colour.
The “SO WHAT” was merely a brief cyber dismissal of your orginal moronic point.
I obtusely assumed with your much better than a Duke MBA degree you would have gleaned my wider point, explicitly intimated via the implicit brevity in my admittedly somewhat terse exposition. Foolishly I took you for a semi-literate wanker … my mistake - my apology to EVERYONE ELSE - except the usual leftist filth!!
TRY reading and inwardly digesting my 12.36 POST:
DickweedDave must be a black hate pig … maybe even a queer black hate pig … snigger
there are at least as many paedophiles amongst blacks and mexican types and other races as white folks … sadly such despicable behaviour is common amongst all races/creeds etc.
just watch WSB … in amongst the unremitting daily stream of black thugs and criminals and the fast increasing mexican type criminals are black and mexican type child molestors.
ALL child molestors are SCUM - regardless of colour!!
Clearly DickweedDave’s rabid dishonesty and demented dissembling are the result of severely inbred genes from a very limited gene cesspool.
Now sod off home and give your uncledaddy a big wet kiss!!
By Bill L
May 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
One fact that is often omitted when this topic is written about is that in 1928, when the BSA gave the building to the city of Philadelphia, the condition was that the Scouts use the building “in perpetuity” (meaning forever) for $1 a year in rent. Like the Clintons, the city now wishes to change the rules when it suits them.
By Bill L
May 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this
One fact that is often omitted when this topic is written about is that in 1928, when the BSA gave the building to the city of Philadelphia, the condition was that the Scouts use the building “in perpetuity” (meaning forever) for $1 a year in rent. Like the Clintons, the city now wishes to change the rules when it suits them.
By Bill L
May 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
One fact that is often omitted when this topic is written about is that in 1928, when the BSA gave the building to the city of Philadelphia, the condition was that the Scouts use the building “in perpetuity” (meaning forever) for $1 a year in rent. Like the Clintons, the city now wishes to change the rules when it suits them.
By AmVet
May 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Kudos Jim!
The inept Bush administration “gives” the nation one disaster after the next, but in your infamous, journalistic excellence throw the rabid “faithful” a bone. A BIG time bone!
I was a Cub and Scout master in one of the northern “elite” suburbs.
And though most of the men by far, were down to earth very caring gentlemen, there were a couple of pompous, self-obsessed horses-a*******es who made me cringe knowing they were having an impact on these young men.
I’d take a decent normal gay man to lead boys over them any day anywhere.
And though most of the relevant details have already been hashed and rehashed here, I find it particularly repulsive that our esteemed columnist infers that ALL gays are somehow not morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed.
And it is NOT at all surprising that there are vomitous, cretinous biggots like those with very different styles at 10:47 and 10:48 who agree.
Much to Mr. Wooten’s delight, I am sure.
No wonder both “conservatism” and Christianity (especially when mixed!) are going the way of the dodo…
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
DaveD, Tell me what each verse says. Because idiot libs love to take verses out of context to bash Christians. Who were each of these verses talking about? What was the punishment?
Also, do you even read what you post? Matt. 15:26: He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”
What does that have to do with healing a child because of his race? Dude, you’re an idiot.
By DEATH TO LIBERALISM
May 28, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
DickweedDave
what passes for your your sick and twisted attempt to deploy ‘logic and/or assertion’ presumably has “white men” as the majority abuser of little black girls and boys in all of AfriKa and little brown boys and girls in S. America?
After all there was not (even the slightest implicit geographical) qualification in your racist ranting …
racist black scum like U need to be horsewhipped with jumbo sized bananas for fun and fed extra stale moonpies and twinkies in the retards class in the afrocentric class for remedialdickheads in S.Fulton County. … snigger smirk snigger
By Abomi Nation
May 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this
Dusty, You cannot willfully choose to blog here and say that you are a follower of Jesus, that is blasphemy to God. God is longsuffering, He gives us many chances to turn away from our sin and to accept Him as our Savior.
The Bible tells women to keep quiet in these matters. Its a choice that you blog here. You Dusty are an Abomination, you will burn in Hell.
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
ahhh..YES “the lie” (you know who you are)…if you are SO very “intelligent”..explain those very things I quoted from YOUR BIBLE…sad that you believe that fiction fable to be true….
so very sad…you could have gone to school for 80 years…hold many advanced degrees…yet if you believe in that book..or ANY god…
it shows ONE thing…
You fear DEATH…as ALL RELIGION is made up of that very thing…from Idol worshipers, to Muslims, jews, and yeah..you “talibangelicals”…
You fear the very thought that “life” does not go on forever…
and your “morals”…are so very faulty…they are like yous”bible”…full of hate, death, rape, molestation, etc…
Get this…when you die…just like before you were born…it’s BLANK…(peaceful actually)…stop hating…stop living your life to get the the “fairy tail next one”…
Feel free to tell me all about your “education”…it’s so clear…that you “missed” the most important part about life…
all things that live…die..and then there’s nothing…
stop HATING so much…
stop hating jews, blacks, mexicans, gays…those that are not WHITE like you…
It is YOU that is TRULY…so pure…so, so pure…in your evil…
EVIL….that is what you are…if you were not…
You would DO GOOD for ALL…
show me what you do good…
if your son or dughter turns out gay.. (like Cheney’s)… will you leave them?
me?…i think you would…and that is sad…
tell me you would not…
i’m waiting… (just like i am for you to explain “your bible” I quoted above)…..
By @@
May 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Jim:
This sounds like extortion to me. I’ll agree that the BSA would be better served breaking all financial ties to the City of Philadelphia. Put a stop to their little extortion scam.
So the BSA compromised with a “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy. I’ve come to realize that “compromise” is never sufficient to stave off the liberals’ agenda. It’s all or nothing. They do, however, have a tendency to turn a blind-eye to their brothers who fight for, and at the same time, violate civil liberties.
If the BSA chooses not to cave on their long established principles, then I would suggest that homosexuals establish an organization of their own. They can call it Scouting for Gays.
By father figure
May 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Listening to liberals complain about people like Dusty and then at the same time pretend to be Jesus lovers is pathetic. These hate mongers on the left hate to a passion those that disagree with them politically.
Jesus watches your every word, and you will pay, liberal kooks.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this
Abomi Nation, You make me laugh. You and Dave should join up and have kids. Oh wait, homos can’t procreate. Too bad.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
DaveD, I’m sorry public schools failed you. Did your little yellow school bus leave you behind? Now I’m a racist? By the way, if you could actually read then you would know that I did post one of your verses. Had nothing to do with your subject head of racism. And yes, I am far more intelligent than you are. Just by reading your rants justifies that.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
DaveD, This sums you up well.
psychopath:A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
By Redneck Convert
May 28, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
Jim, them homosexules is going to force conservative bloggers (those few who aren’t already) to become like them. They already took over the beer truck driving industry. That’s why me and Jim Earl is going out to California next week to get married and then we’re moving to Utah so be can be polygamied. My wife’s a little POed, but I gotta be me. I’m here, I’m beer, get over it! Well, have a good day everybody. If that other Redneck Convert gets on here and tries to deny what I wrote now, remember he’s a lyin’ librul.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
Ahh…DUKE…sorry “the little racist school house in the south”…nope I went to NYU…you know where they don’t TEACH those to be racist…
Sad you can’t be “good and honest” person…who judges one for who they truly are…you STILL show the “morals” of the south…color, religion, and their bedrooms…
So sad…so very very sad…it’s just another reason why GA’s schools are the worst of the worst…over and over again…you’ve had over 6 years of total GOP rule in GA…and all it has done is show that GA is STILL run by racists…and those that vote them into office…so go water your “lawn” during a drought…and wait for the “next coming” of jesus…when you die.. there will be no “white guy with long beard” welcoming you… actually..i kinda LIKE the fiction… but the muslims seem to have a “better” offering…14 little virgins… hmmm…makes sense…GROWN MEN WANTING LITTLE GIRLS….
why did you not “explain” the “quotes” from the bible I posted above? I’m waiting….
I guess you HAVE no explaination…if you did…you would have done so….
By gay former scout
May 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
to The Truth,
Oh…c’mon..I was just a funnin’ about “death to liberals” (or “time for the truth” or whatever he goes by these days) being shot.
I’d be fine if he just got hit by a car..although having some food get caught in his throat and him choking to death would be hilarious.
Jesus Christ!!…don’t you folks work?
Who has time to spend all day on this thing?
Well I have to go have sex with other men all day..in public…and force heterosexuals to watch…
By Abomi Nation
May 28, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
Good column today Jim. As we get closer to the election this fall, may I suggest a few other subjects for you to write about.
“The War on War.”
“The war on Flag lapels.”
“The war on the Flag and why we need a Flag amendment.”
“The War on marriage, and why the gays will make you marry sheep.”
“Barbra Striesand hates Bush.”
“Jane Fonda, Teddy Kennedy”
“Teddy Kennedy, Jane Fonda.”
“Mexicans, Mexicans, Mexicans.”
“Charlton Heston Airport, sounds good to me.”
“Point-scoring all that matters in an election year.”
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this
AWWW…”the lair”..no…I saw your post…but you DID NOT EXPAIN the passages written in YOUR bible…so please do…tell me, teach me what they mean…
feel free to start with the first one I posted:
“Incest: raping your sister; impregnating your daughers; marrying your sister; impregnating your daughter-in-law II Sam. 13:1-22 Gen. 19:36 Gen. 20:12 Gen. 38:13-27”
Explain those things… they are from YOUR bible….
good book of “laws” to follow…me thinks… ;-)
By rmccreary
May 28, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
It is called boy scouts for those idiots who cannot read. Like girl scouts is for girls. Second, cities every where in America help civic minded groups that in turn help the community, as do the boy scouts. Give up this homosexual thing. Such an insignificant porportion of the population is homomsexual yet we as a nation have to cater to these few. What ever happened for the good of the many not the few. This countryis gojng down the toilet and anyone who believes the boy scouts is a bad organization for not allowing gays are the ones flusing it.
By rmccreary
May 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
It is called boy scouts for those idiots who cannot read. Like girl scouts is for girls. Second, cities every where in America help civic minded groups that in turn help the community, as do the boy scouts. Give up this homosexual thing. Such an insignificant porportion of the population is homomsexual yet we as a nation have to cater to these few. What ever happened for the good of the many not the few. This countryis gojng down the toilet and anyone who believes the boy scouts is a bad organization for not allowing gays are the ones flusing it.
By rmccreary
May 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
It is called boy scouts for those idiots who cannot read. Like girl scouts is for girls. Second, cities every where in America help civic minded groups that in turn help the community, as do the boy scouts. Give up this homosexual thing. Such an insignificant porportion of the population is homomsexual yet we as a nation have to cater to these few. What ever happened for the good of the many not the few. This countryis gojng down the toilet and anyone who believes the boy scouts is a bad organization for not allowing gays are the ones flusing it.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this
AWWW…the “lair” (the truth and all of you fellow talibangelicals)…We ALL know (those that read that is)…that only TWO of the 10 commandments are actual laws in the US (yet we hear over and over how this was a “christian founded nation). Those are…thou shalt not kill, thou not steal…all others are NOT LAWS…so…I have a few more things that you need to explain…from YOUR BIBLE:
“Trying out” virgins Esther 2:12-14” (that’s a good one…huh)?
Stoning and burning women for not being virgins Deut. 22:21 Lev. 21:9 *
Selling your daughter into slavery Ex. 21:7
Offering your virgin daughters to perverts Gen. 19:4-8
One thousand women belonging to one man I Kings 11:3
Using a virgin to give an old man heat I Kings 1:1-2
Ten virgins awaiting one bridegroom Matt. 25:1-3 *
Tell me about YOUR BIBLE again…and how our laws..here in the US of A are “based” off of the bible…
Once again…I’m WAITING>..keep putting me down…but all i see…is that you NEVER EXPLAIN these things…
Hmmmm… to be honest…the bible is a brutal book full of death, rape, and molestation….but keep telling us how it is”the GOOD book”…. ;-)
By Abomi Nation
May 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
Right on rmccreary!!!
Berlin Germany just dedicated a memorial to the 50,000 gays that were tortured and killed by the Nazi’s…..But who needs minority rights anyway, such small numbers….Bah
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
DaveD, How is Duke racist? Are you referring to the Lacrosse team that was vindicated and set free? Last time I check the DA was in prison and the liar stripper scumbag was back on her pole. You went to NYU? Right.
Sam 13:1-22 is about Amnon and Tamar. Amnon was tricked in to sleeping with her. What rape are you referring to?
Gen. 19:36: If you actually read the whole chapter instead of pointing to one verse then you would know that it was Lots downfall. Again, you miss the point. You are trying to make this verse seem like it was right to sleep with daughters and therefore make the Bible look stupid.
Gen. 38:13-27: Judah was tricked in to sleeping with his daughter-in-law. So, what was your point with those verses?
You actually have to READ and understand the events that take place.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
DaveD, How is Duke racist? Are you referring to the Lacrosse team that was vindicated and set free? Last time I check the DA was in prison and the liar stripper scumbag was back on her pole. You went to NYU? Right.
Sam 13:1-22 is about Amnon and Tamar. Amnon was tricked in to sleeping with her. What rape are you referring to?
Gen. 19:36: If you actually read the whole chapter instead of pointing to one verse then you would know that it was Lots downfall. Again, you miss the point. You are trying to make this verse seem like it was right to sleep with daughters and therefore make the Bible look stupid.
Gen. 38:13-27: Judah was tricked in to sleeping with his daughter-in-law. So, what was your point with those verses?
You actually have to READ and understand the events that take place.
By Shar
May 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
Lordy, what a bunch of hounds drawn off the scent by a red herring.
The issue is not whether the BSA should be forced to change their rules and admit homosexuals. They have an established right not to, and those that disagree with this policy can make a choice to participate or not to. Ditto for their policies against atheists, agnostics, communists and any other “ists” they choose. Period.
The issue is whether they can insist on public subsidies when they break public laws.
The BSA built that building eighty years ago on public land, and leased it from the owner, the City of Philadelphia, for $1 per year. Leases of this type are all over the place - Rockefeller Center is built on land leased from Columbia University, and NBC pays a bundle and a half for the priviledge. Wealthy individuals in such publicly-owned spots as Cumberland or Mackinac Islands built mansions on leased land; in the case of Cumberland, the leases were not renewed and the buildings were abandoned, while on Mackinac the homes were recognized as crucial to the tourist business that keeps the island viable and the leases were renewed under different terms. Half the island of Hong Kong was leased by the British from the Chinese, and there was no debate about who would be left with the buildings when the 99 year lease expired. In each case, the party funding the building knew that they didn’t own the land under it and would be subject to the terms of the owner.
There is a surplus of empty commercial space in Philadelphia, and the Cradle of Liberty Council can find very advantageous rates for office space elsewhere, without having to meet municipal ordinances they object to, if they will relinquish their public subsidy.
The Inquirer reported that the Council head makes over $260,000 per year. If staying in the existing space is so crucial to their mission, I have a feeling they may be able to find some expenses to trim and come up with the $200,000 the City is asking for.
Note to The Truth @ 12:21 - The Bible, even the oldest parts of the Old Testament, was written much later than several other texts, notably from China, Egypt and the area of the Fertile Crescent.
And as to the comparison of my daughter’s public school threats with her experience in the Girl Scouts, I can’t see either the point or the relevance. In the former, a student stalked her and wanted to cut her throat and drink her blood. In the latter, she had a wonderful time surrounded by supportive people. I exercised my right of choice and got her out of the subsidized environment whose conditions I couldn’t tolerate, which is precisely what the Cradle of Liberty Council won’t do.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
DaveD, I’m still trying to figure out your point? The Bible doesn’t promote rape, incest, torture or anything else you’ve pointed out. You’re cherry picking verses to fit your agenda instead of reading the entire chapter. Do you even know the context of each verse you’ve foolishly presented?
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
DaveD, Esther 2:12-14: Those were the rules made up by the king of that time. Don’t know what your point is with that verse.
Deut. 22:21: Israels rules at the time. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
Ex. 21:7: Again, Israelite rules in OT times. Has nothing to do with Christianity.
Matt. 25:1-3: At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
It’s a parable you moron. Has nothing to do with receiving virgins when Christians go to heaven.
Bottom line is you’re a total misguided idiot in serious need of mental help.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
HEY!!! LOOKY LOOKY HERE!!! another MALE that took advantage of a young girl!!! right here in GA…and reported right here in the AJC!!!
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/05/28/pauldingteachersex_0529.html
The “truth” (ummm…liar)…tell me about the “statistics” i posted way up above…showing WHITE MALES MOLEST “little girls”…most of all… how STRAIGHT WHITE MEN are the LARGEST GROUP OF PEDOPHILES>…..
show me YOUR STATITICS….. ooops….guess you don’t have any (unless you read “f******* on the family” as a “news source”)…
Want it again…here it is…show me YOUR STUDIES about white guys raping little white girls vs. gays raping little boys (oh…and by the way…STRAIGHT white men are ALSO the biggest group that rape little white boys…not gays..)…and hey..I’m STRAIGHT…yet I do this (and get this)…I READ STUDIES, before I shoot my mouth off!!
Here it is again!!!!: *In 1978 psychologist Nicholas Groth screened 175 men who had been convicted in Massachusetts of sexual molestation of children and referred by a court for psychological evaluation. He found not a single gay man in this sample. Every one of the perpetrators was either an exclusive heterosexual, a bisexual with a predominantly heterosexual orientation, or a fixated pedophile with no sexual interest in adults.[4]
His conclusion? That “the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male.”
In the same year, researcher David Newton reviewed the scientific literature and found no reason to believe that anything other than a “random connection” existed between homosexual orientation and child molestation.[5]
Later research has confirmed these findings:
In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.[6] He later described as a “myth” the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.[7] In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children’s Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater*
now…show me YOUR STUDIES (and I mean STUDIES)…. (might be hard for you to understand while you where at your KKK meetings at Duke…the rest of the world went on learning…hmmm…except in the south)…as ALL you teach to your children…is HATE…
so go ahead….SHOW ME THE STUDIES>>>
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Shar, SO, where are these texts? Are they one complete book? Nope. Did these old Chinese and Egyptian books change the world? Nope. The Bible, as a whole, is the oldest complete book in the world.
By been there
May 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
The entire controversy over the boy scouts and gays is at best a contrived one cooked up to advance a groups ajenda.
After a decades long association with the scouts, I can think of no instance where a youths sexuality has ever been brought into question, or used as a determination for membership. As long as a member is not actively participating in some form of gay activity of agenda in uniform it is not and never has been an issue.
The prohibition of declarred gays kicks in with ADULT leaders. And lets be honest here. It was NOT put in place because of idealogy or moral beliefs. it was put in place because of actual problems. Primarily being those years of adult leaders between 18-25 and those scouts on the upper end of the range 16-17. While not widely reported in the news, the scouts did have issues in the past, particularly in the 1980’s. This led them to declare some of the rules. (And yes the Girl scouts may be a little more open regarding adult participation, but were the above mentioned single fathers or lesbian “2 mommies” the actual primary troop leaders?)
I actually had a known “bi-sexual” scout leader for a number of years in scouts. As a youth, it did lead to some rather uncomfortable moments and questionable activities. I am not saying all gay men are an issue. But the Scouts set their rules mainly for the safety of the children, not the intrinsic fairness to the adults.
And as far as the religious arguement. This is another element of scouting that get wildly blown out of proportion. No Atheist has been kicked out of teh Boy Scouts. They are their to serve and to form a strong basis of character for any boy. But the Scouts do believe that faith is a critical element of such character. They do not care or specify which faith, and accept pretty much all, Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Buhdist, Shinto, etc. The only test or question regarding faith in scouts occurs as part of the scouts advancement to the highest rank, Eagle Scout.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this
DaveD, You are a complete idiot. You obviously have the IQ of a carrot. Racist KKK meetings at Duke? What are you talking about? You’ve been to one too many Black Panther meetings. I’ve beaten you with my Bible knowledge and now you resort to name calling. You’re a closet homosexual and I hope you don’t end up a serial killer.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Abomi Nation.1:11
Are you PoFo or just another comedian?
I do not use the Bible for bullets to mow down non-Christians. There is too much good stuff in the Bible to waste it. Beautiful literature, history, poetry, good rules for living (Ten Commandments) and then comes the New Testament with the grace of a loving Christ. Love above all else.
Therefore, I try to do what I understand to be the best that I can be. Of course, I often fail. Faith picks me up and gives me another chance.
You have read my choice about Boy Scout rules. I believe they are the best for boys. There is no proof that I am right. Only that I choose to do what I believe to be right.
By Copyleft
May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
It’s just UNFAIR that the Boy Scouts don’t get a special price-break privilege that’s unavailable to other groups!
After all, they’re good enough to discriminate against gays and atheists… why SHOULDN’T that be subsidized with public funds?
C’mon, conservatives, let’s hear it! Three cheers for the Boy Scouts! Give them government perks for discriminating—it’s the American Way!
By Tailgater
May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
Best lay off DaveD. If it isn’t obvious, Dave has suffered the trauma of sexual abuse. It may have been an instance of rape, incest, molestation or spousal. DaveD has a score to settle.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
explain the “stats” truth….
how white men rape little girls…how they are the “largest” group of offenders by far…yet you’re worried about scouts being gay…
as I said above as well…you have gay neighbors…preachers…teachers…ministers, etc…. I’d be WAY more worried about send my child into the woods with a GA born and bred pastor…
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
DaveD, Hate? You should read your own posts my brain dead foe. The only hate I see is your rants on the Bible and Christians. IF someone disagrees with you they are not racists and hate mongers.
By ron
May 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
It is my understanding that the Bible didn’t exist as a complete book until about 395.Parts of it were written prior to this but so were many other smaller books.
By Crafty
May 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Link to this
DaveD, The only racist person I’ve seen on this blog is you. You’ve posted comments about white people and how white people are evil. You’ve got some serious issues that need to be dealt with. I really hope that you don’t have any kids around because I would fear for their safety.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
DaveD, What stats? What about the stats that say black people are 90% likely to go to jail or end up shot? How’s that for stereotyping? I’m more concerned for people that live around you than I am about gay people.
By the way, are you satisfied with my Bible verse rebuttals? You’ve yet to mention them. I answered every single one of them and you’ve said nothing.
By Troglodyke
May 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
Troglodyke, Please form your own gay scout club and leave the boy scouts alone. I am an educated “religious” person
Sorry, this is impossible. It is impossible for a truly educated person to be a part of organized religion. Organized religion HATES education. Nice try. You got a degree? Oh, and you think that makes you “educated”?
…and don’t consider myself an idiot.
Of course you don’t. Most idiots wouldn’t consider themselves idiots. Just keep believin’ in fairy tales. Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa? You might as well.
By the way, go back and read my first post. I don’t care that the BSA keeps gays out. They are entitled to be governed by idiots, and entitled to discriminate, and entitled to be hypocrites (can you say there are no divorced Scoutmasters?). Why? Because they are a private organization. If I wanted to create my own private gay or atheist organization, I could do so and easily exclude anyone I wanted to.
Private organizations that fund themselves without gov’t help are perfectly fine to keep whoever they choose out.
The BSA is partially gov’t funded, though. That’s my issue with them.
That, and that they revel in intolerance, but hey, that will come back to bite them. Apparently, it already does. Some of those boys grow up realizing they’ve been fed crap.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
TRUTH….answer my question…show me your stats…and if you NEED me to show you 100 articles showing race relations in GA, and NC (including Duke)…just ask…
let me ask this too (DO NOT FORGET my “original question regarding white “hetro” child molesters vs. gay ones)….
but if you want to “go there”…i’ll certainly show you ALL the HISTORY of race relations at DUKE…
To this day (like UGA)…what is the racial make up of Duke? what’s the percentage of Blacks attending vs. white?
Go ahead…you ONLY answer the things you make up… (like your bile answers)…
tell me about “hetro” men pedo’s vs. gay…
That’s my MAIN question (based off this blog today)….
I’m sure you’ll skip around ALL my other questions…(as you ALWAYS do)…such as: if this is a nation founded on “christian laws”…why are ONLY TWO out of the 10 commandments….LAWS? Would they not ALL be laws (if this WAS a christian nation)….
once again…WAITING!!!!
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
ron, Where are these books and how did they change the world? There were a lot of written pieces prior to the Bible but none of them were complete books. The Bible is in full view for the entire world to see in many different languages. No other book has the age or circulation as the Bible.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
AWWW…CRAFTY…I AM white…yet it’s the “southern born and bred whites” that are STILL racist…tell me…how do you “honestly feel about those born in Mexico (even if they are not here? …do you not think YOU are “better” than they?….
well?
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
DaveD, First, you never asked me a question. You ranted about a lot of different things. I answered your Bible verse questions and now you want me to answer race questions. Second, what does Duke have to do with anything? I just told you that I went there because you called me a moron.
Who cares what the racial makeup is? You have to be intelligent to attend and your skin color can not provide intelligence. You sound like a p** off kid who couldn’t have a cookie after dinner or in your case a 40 ounce. You obviously hate white people and therefore I conclude that you are indeed a racist.
I never said that this country was a Christian nation. Our forefathers were and it is evident in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Feel free to argue that one.
Gay vs. Straight? I have no idea what “statistics” show. If statistics are correct then that makes you thug and a welfare baby. Because blacks are shown statistically to be on welfare and in prison.
The ten commandments were Jewish law. Not American. New Testament over rides Old Testament because of Jesus.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Troglodyke, Where did you get that religion is against education? I was educated at Duke and received my MBA there. How am I not educated?
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
Shar @2:11
You are confused. I did not mention Girl Scouts. I mentioned your daughter’s experience in a government supported school which ran by the rules but not for her welfare. You did not demand that taxes be stopped to the school because they discriminated against your daughter by not showing care for her. You pulled her out because you could afford a private school. Those who could not afford to move were left behind with this psychotic child.
That is my point. Liberals are all for everybody’s freedom until it harms them. If a Scout Leader has the possibility of being a bad influence on boys, do not worry about it. Let him stay. He has a “right”. Pull your child out if you do not like it, just like you did at school, shar.
Now, whose rights are being violated? The child removed or the gay Scout Leader? The child removed or the psychotic child? Or even worse, the child molested when such denigration could have been prevented?
By Crafty
May 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
DaveD, No, you’re just stupid. What are you talking about with Mexicans? You’re all over the place. How do you feel about martians colliding with the Chinese in a space war?
well? huh? well? Dumb a*.
By Greg
May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this
DaveD
Your incessant comments about pedophiles smacks of someone who knows wa-a-a-a-y too much about sexual deviancy. A pet subject for you, maybe?
Should you, by chance, breed, you may send your spawn into the woods with anyone you like. I’ll send mine to a Christian Boy Scout leader and his Assistants - every time. I send the Flint River Council a yearly donation.
BTW, is Michael Jackson considered white in your studies?
By Paul in Atlanta
May 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
As a gay man, I’m very torn on this issue. On the one hand the Boy Scouts are an excellent organization, and do a lot of good, on the other hand, I remember what is was like to be a gay teen and constantly being told a in hundred different ways that people like me were evil, weren’t good enough, and that God hated us. I think the Scouts have the right to limit their membership, but in doing so may forego public funds, and public assistance. I know that personally while I don’t hate scouting I could never in good faith offer financial support or contribute to any group that supports them.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Paul in Atlanta, As a Christian I don’t think that you are evil. I am to love you just like Jesus loves us. I can’t agree with your lifestyle and can not support it in any way but I am not going to tell you how to live your life. God gives us all free will to make decisions. I respect your decision not to support the Boy Scouts and am happy to hear from someone besides the people on here bashing others.
By Shar
May 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
The Truth @ various times - Ron is right. The Old Testament is a compilation of texts and oral stories, the earliest of which date from somewhere between 800 and 650 BC (or BCE, which is a notation I still can’t get used to.) Of New Testament texts, the earliest is dated somewhere between 50 and 100 AD, and the compilation of the whole thing did take place in 395 AD or just slightly after the first compilation of Hindu sutras (first to third century AD). In comparison, the Chinese I Ching, which used symbolism to explain the Chinese conception of the universe and how to interpret it, is generally accepted to date from 1300 to 1100 BCE. There are papyrus records of epic heroes, Pharonic laws and medical texts that are older still.
While there is no doubt that The Bible is the foundation document of the Western world, the stories of the Hellenic philosophers and humanists, as well as the records and codes left by the Romans, have had lasting cultural effects as well. Individually these do not match the age of the oldest sections of the Old Testament, but they substantially pre-date either the New Testament or what we recognize as The Bible today. Of course, the I Ching is a similarly foundational text for China.
By the way, I went to Duke (lowly undergrad) and my dad has taught at NYU for 45 years so I grew up on Washington Square. Does that mean I’m like both you and Dave or that I should dislike you both?
By Rev Haggard
May 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this
Crafty, thanks for your support! When I was head of the 30,000,000 strong New Life Church we had Jesus Camp.
Millions like you sent me money, millions of dollars. Its so good to know that you sent your money to good Christian organizations like mine that raise good kids without the evil influence of the homosexuals!
God Bless!!
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Truth (liar)…how old is the world?…let’s show how your “education” has paid off…
my guess is that YOU think the world is between 6,000-10,000 years old…
keep telling us about your “education”…you seem to have a real need to show that you went to school…yet all you show…is that you learned NOTHING>….i mean if you believe in the bible… well…I have nothing more to say… you’ve answered the question…
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Shar, No, I hope you won’t dislike me because you seem like a reasonable person to talk to. You’ve help make some great points about the Bibles influence in the world. Yes, there are older texts but none have had the same influence over a great number of people. Also, it is doubtful that Dave went to NYU because he can not put a single argument together without name calling.
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
Thanks Ted Haggard! We “talibangelicals” all over the US thank you for all you showed us…that was PURE and GOOD in this world…can you tell us about those “private prayer meetings” in the White House? Did Dubya do meth with you or not? The world wants to know! ;-)
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
DaveD, You’re an idiot. Plain and simple. Why would the Earths age have anything to do with my education? No one knows that answer. Please get help.
By Crafty
May 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Rev Haggard DaveD, Nice try, loser.
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
DaveD, What you’ve just written proves that you have no education.
By I call bull
May 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
The Truth,
What person that has an MBA from a school like Duke is going to have a job that lets him blog all day?
C’mon..
By Sen Craig (REPUBLICAN)
May 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
Oh yes, the Boy Scouts. I remember it fondily. I was one for 15 years!
Its where I learned my first tap steps in the camp bathroom. “Tap,tap,tap,”
By the way, I am not gay.
I, having an education just like “the Truth” am much better at tapping now. I’ve become a master tapper. I’m a great politician too, a master debater if you will.
Hey the Truth, TapTapTap, tappity,tap,taptappity-tap?
And Greg, Tappity, tapTap, taptaptap,tap,tap?
By The Truth
May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
I call bull, One that gives him 4 weeks of vacation per year.
C’mon…
Sen Craig (REPUBLICAN), How do I respond? Oh yeah, hi DaveD, I see you finally came out of the closet and into the bathroom. Is your jaw sore?
By StewieGriifin
May 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this
One thing everyobne overlooks here. That building is owned by the government, which is public land, owned by everyone in the community. Therefore, every one should have equal access, regardless of their membership criteria. Picking and chosing who can get a benefit from the government is just another form of discrimination. The Philly government is no different from the Scouts in that they want to pick and chose who gets benefits based on philosophy. Let the Scouts remain, or the people of Philly should vote those liberal Nazis out of office.
By Sen Craig (REPUBLICAN)
May 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Good gosh, I just looked into my closet and what do you know, my Scout camp boots were still in there. In fact the boots still have the tacks I put in them when I went to Boy Scout camp so I could tap with them!
Wow, in the closet all these years and they still fit!
Hey crafty, taptapTap, tappity-tapTap, tap tap tap?????
(By the way, I’m still not gay. How could I be I was a scout!)
By StewieGriifin
May 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
One thing everyobne overlooks here. That building is owned by the government, which is public land, owned by everyone in the community. Therefore, every one should have equal access, regardless of their membership criteria. Picking and chosing who can get a benefit from the government is just another form of discrimination. The Philly government is no different from the Scouts in that they want to pick and chose who gets benefits based on philosophy. Let the Scouts remain, or the people of Philly should vote those liberal Nazis out of office.
By Abomia Rodriguez Nacion
May 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Oh you are so right stewieGriifin!!!!
My Abortion Rights organization wanted to rent space from the city of Columbus Georgia for a dollar but they wouldn’t let us. Picking and choosing is just not right. Public land, equal access. Columbus Georgia should vote them liberal Nazis out of office!!!
By I am surrounded by idiots
May 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this
The last time I saw this many trolls was in a fairy tale story.
By Lee
May 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
Let them discriminate against anyone they want, just not on the public dime. The current diversity in scouting is the result of a hard fought battle. At one time, troops were not integrated (certainly not in Georgia!) and there was open discrimination at one time against Athiests, Jews, Moslems and Catholics, not to mention Blacks, Native Americans, Hispanics, Orientals, etc., etc. etc. I thought those days were behind us, but I guess not. They have simply rallied the older minorities to help discriminate against the new set.
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
Dear Jim Wooten,
Could we possibly have something more interesting tomorrow? Something that does not drive liberals over the edge?? How about ‘coonhound hunting, Cherokee cantinos, lower Slablovian artwork, cotton candy cookery, lobster libations, Britney’s biceps, carpetbagger critters, possum pudding, Braves DL list and the latest Martian news by Phoenix. All these would be a far better thing (and something libs don’t get all blubbery about). Forgive them for they know not what they do. Libs, that is, especially Obama.
With regards from your faithful roger Dodger reader,(whatever that means?),
Dusty
By jacqueline price
May 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
This is one of those times I really wish I was a millionaire in order to buy this building or some other.
Go Scouts! We’re behind you.
By fairy god mother
May 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
By Dusty
May 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
Dear Jim Wooten,
Me thinks Dusty and Jim should get a room (“Love is in the air!”)
At least it won’t be that god-awful…Oh, no, gay thing!
“Plunk your magic twanger froggie”
By DaveD
May 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Yes Jim, as Dusty said…let’s talk tomorrow about something say like…hmmm…the “propaganda” that lead the blind and mute to follow and support (via the little ribbon magnets on their SUV’s saying “support the troops”) the war into Iraq? Can we talk about that? Or maybe how Bush…the one many of you voted for TWICE…said after 9-11 that the BEST way to support our country was NOT how we made sacrifices by giving things up…but by being told to “go shopping”…
Or that Bush himself has made his own “personal” sacrifices during the war by “giving up playing golf?
Can we talk about THOSE things tomorrow? Dust Rag wants to talk about warm and fuzzy things you republicans have done for the “better good” of our country and the world…. better for ALL that live…even the little dead embryos called abortions….
By A BOY SCOUT
July 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this
As a Boy scout i would like to say that scouting is a great organization that affects boys tremendously and not only does it give them skills in leadership and service to others but it also provides them with social skills that will remain with them for their future life. As a private organization scouting reserves the right to with hold whomever it wishes from being a member the supreme court agrees. The BSA is the only scouting movement that isn’t coed in the world but to me that’s a good thing it gives boys a time to get away from the pressures of school and the social world and to hang out and be boys. I personally have no issue with gays being in scouts so long as they aren’t in it to be around a bunch of guys, but if scouting doesn’t want them legally it holds the right to forbay them and Philladelphia should not punish them for using their rights especially when scouting is such a positive thing for the community. Enough of you adults trying to decide for us what should be done most of you are saying that you are former scouts no you are scouts once a scout always a scout! And the Oath and Law still apply to you!!
God Bless the BSA!!
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