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DEL.ICIO.USThe Obama Rules
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has begun the campaign to convince the electorate that he’s not really an anti-American bigot. His remarks are descriptive, not divisive, he told 10,000 members of the NAACP at a dinner Sunday in Detroit.”I describe the conditions in this country.”
For Barack Obama’s sake, Wright has to recast his rhetoric and conduct some historical revisionism so that he’s not the virulent anti-American radical that the nation heard in his sermons. Otherwise, Obama can never get over the hurdle with Middle America that he sat for 20 years and listened to sermons from the blame-America fringe.
Sen. John McCain, who has previously watched from the sidelines as Obama’s campaign began to self-destruct with the candidate’s bumbling refusal to distance himself from Wright, weighed in on the controversy.
“I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionaires who were responsible for the death of our savior. I mean being involved in that, it’s beyond belief. And then of course saying that al-Qaida and the American flag were the same flags,” McCain said Sunday.
McCain said again Sunday that he wants the North Carolina Republican Party to stop running an ad that feature’s Wright’s “God d—n America” remarks, which the ad properly links to Obama. Fair play, I’d say. The N.C. GOP should ignore the party’s presumptive nominee.
McCain, obviously convinced as most others are that Obama will be his opponent in November, also weighed in on his God, guns and bigotry remarks. “I can understand why Americans, when viewing these kinds of comments, are angry and upset,” said McCain. “Just like they view Senator Obama’s statements about why people turn to their faith and their values. He believes that it’s out of economic concerns. We all know it’s out of a fundamental belief, a fundamental faith in this country and its values and its principles.”
Obama hopes that he can sail into the White House without further scrutiny and without having his opponent attempt to define him for voters. “With each passing day, John McCain acts more and more like someone who’s spent 26 years learning the divisive, distracting tactics of Washington,” Obama campaign said in a statement . “That’s not the change that the American people are looking for.”
Change. If you question him or his values or policies, you’re part of the “divisive, distracting” practices voters associate with Washington. If you become an unquestioning, adoring political groupie, you’re not. Them’s the Obama Rules.
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Comments
By TW
April 28, 2008 8:46 AM | Link to this
Your crush on this guy could not be more obvious…
If you become an unquestioning, adoring political groupie
Like the GOP sheep? Like those who kneeled in front of ‘w’ while he screwed our troops?
Careful, Jim, wouldn’t want people thinking you’re a hypocrite…
By jbmlaw
April 28, 2008 8:52 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Every non-incumbent candidate has a choice: define himself, or be defined. Reagan defined himself (“I paid for this microphone.”) Mondale defined himself (“I’ll raise your taxes.”) George H. W. Bush (“Read my lips: no new taxes.”) Michael Dukakis, learning from Mondale’s error, chose to not define himself, and Al Gore defined him as the man who released Willie Horton; Dukakis later defined himself as the goofball driving a tank. Bill Clinton famously promised to “end welfare as we know it” in his initial campaign. Bob Dole failed to define himself, and was defined by Bill Clinton as belonging to the past, at the end of the century. Al Gore embellished his role in bringing about the information age, while George W. Bush promised to deliver a new “compassionate” conservatism. John F. Kerry defined himself as a patriotic serviceman reporting for duty, although he was undone by his own post-service testimony before Congress. John McCain’s straight-talk express follows him from his 2000 campaign. Obama has failed to define himself, but seemingly the bullfrog and the weatherman have sufficiently performed that service.
By GW
April 28, 2008 8:54 AM | Link to this
My followers,
It has come to my attention that some of you, well actually most of you, think that my rules are not very good rules. Now you just listen here. I AM your leader and I WILL give you your opinion when I need it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the new constitution my loyal lawgivers have been writing. Heck, I’ve been using their “cover” letters for years now to justify my legal actions. Torture. I’ll show you torture. I’ll air our last family vacation with the folks back home on live TV. I’ll play back that phone call from my own little baby girl under the influence of that blond-haired tramp of a TV personality. Trying to turn my girl to the dark side like Dick’s girl was. Now that’s torture.
Your Welcome, Your Leader, GW
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim
An old philosopher once said that “in a democratic republic, the nation generally gets the kind of leaders that the people deserve.
When I look at the leaders we have had over the past 35 years and those that would presume to lead us in the foreseeable future, my question is:
Have we declined as a nation and ans a people to the level that this is the best we deserve?!?
By OBAMA NOT WRIGHT
April 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
How does Obama consider someone a Mentor and friend for 20 years and not know their hateful racist values and character? Obama said he had no plans to leave the South Side church. Wright is like an uncle you love and respect! he highly respects the opinions of Rev. Wright said Obama, who brings hope to many and agrees with giving the man of year award to the notorious Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister who said we are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us! Obama hasn’t distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe. A number of Jewish and pro-Israel voters have concerns and raised questions about Barack Obama. In case you haven’t followed this ongoing issue, here’s a brief summary of the complaints:Obama has called for engaging Iran. Daniel Ayalon, Israel’s former ambassador to the United States, told the New York Sun he is concerned Obama would want to negotiate with a “Hitler-like” regime. Some of Obama’s policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel. World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder fears, it’s only a matter of time before the president becomes anti-Israel Howard Friedman, the president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, said the leading presidential candidate are all interested in continuing close ties with Israel. Obama in traditional muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim. Obama hasn’t distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe, Obamas and his church said Farrakhan “epitomized greatness. For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler “They helped him get the Third Reich on the road.” His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan’s dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small. He talks of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Obama and Rev Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. He applauds his “depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation.” He praised “his integrity and honesty.” He called him “an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose.” These words of the black man who touts change and claims to be a uniter of all people? DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMANATION!
By Curious Observer
April 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
As the Godfather plaintively asks in Puzo’s novel, “How did we get to this point?”
We have three seriously flawed presidential candidates: McCain, an ill-tempered and obstinate GWB re-run; Obama, an ingenue with little substance; and Clinton, a duplicitous, nationally unpopular and power-hungry wretch.
I’m ready to sit this election out. A vote for any of these candidates is very bad for the country. I can see a thoroughly nasty status quo with McCain and Congress, matched only by the national furor and divisiveness should Clinton be elected. And I doubt that Obama has any idea of the practical realities of trying to implement his policies.
This is the best our nation can do? And don’t give me this bunk about voting for the least or lesser of the evils. Nothing will persuade me that McCain will make a good president, and the same goes for Obama and Clinton.
By jbmlaw
April 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
Related to today’s topic, Joseph Epstein writes an amusing analysis of the 2008 election. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120934591396048575.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
By One
April 28, 2008 9:31 AM | Link to this
Jim, you’ve got to be the biggest idiot on the staff at AJC (I’m sure there are many, many more!!!)
Why is everyone so enamored by this man’s (Wright’s) comments? Why? Because your azzes are scared that this man (Obama) may win!!!!! Never thought it would happen, huh? Funny how noone brings up the fact that Rev. Wright is the minister that went to pray with Bill Clinton after he got caught with Monica!! The same Rev. Wright!!!! Even funnier how noone talks about the relationship with the Bush’s and the Bin Laden’s!!! He!!, their families have known each other for years!!!! And now you all want to try to distract people with sound bytes and snippets of this mans (Wright’s)speeches??!!! Guess what, we’re not listening!!! Keep lying, and playing your dirty little political games. Guess what’s gonna happen? The people who truly are sick and tired of being sick and tired are gonna split the Democratic party and take our votes with us. And once Billary finishes lying and wallowing in the political mud, she’ll hand the win to McCain, because the Democratic party will be done!!!!!!! Keep your lies, and your drama, and your bullshyt, we’ve had enough, and it is truly time for a change!!!! Peace!!
Barack the vote!!!!
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Poor Jim. His side got the scary colored preacher-man on video actin’ all scary and colored and stuff, and even with the help of the best hired guns the corporate media has to offer pushing this fear-mongering, race-baiting crap, it hasn’t done a damn thing to change the game.
No wonder Jim’s all peeved of late. The white folks, they just aren’t going for the bait like they did back in the day, huh?
By Kathy Schroeder, Texas
April 28, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
First, I want to tell you that we were very impressed with Rev. Wendell Anthony’s introduction of Rev. Wright. The people of the world needed to know how brilliant Rev. Wright is….holding massive degrees, speaks 5 languages, served our country with honor, was a pulmonary medic in the Navy and assisted in operating on LBJ, he did not have 5 deferments, nor was he AWOL. WOW….the resume goes on and on.
Rev. Wright is more qualified to be president than John McCain.
We were so impressed with Rev. Wright’s speech. He is a brilliant man and cannot be denied. The ignorant of this country will hate him and the people who have some+ intelligence will see how they were fooled by the media into believing this man was a monster. Far from it…..he is a great man.
I would imagine that the Clinton Campaign is not a happy camp this morning. They need to stop the attacks. But, just because you play your horn in Harlem doesn’t mean your not a bigot and the Clinton’s have truly shown their racial colors. This man…Rev. Wright is a “man of God” and we have the greatest respect for him.
Kathy Schroeder, Fredericksburg Texas 830 997 1917
By Truthifier
April 28, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Fair is fair. As someone who is offended when Republican candidates cozy up to religious leaders who are racist or homophobic, I have no choice but to agree with those who are critical of Senator Obama’s twenty years in the pew at Rev. Wright’s church. Perhaps I’m missing something, but I don’t get it when Wright’s defenders say that “people just don’t understand the African-American church.” I understand inflammatory rhetoric and race-baiting just fine when it comes from a black church, just as I understand it when it comes from a white church. There can be no double standard. With regard to Obama’s statements about McCain being divisive, while I’m not a supporter of Mr. McCain’s presidential ambitions, I just don’t see where you can say that the man is divisive. He seems to be going out of his way to be civil while bringing to light legitimate criticisms. Is Senator Obama not using the “divisive and distracting” tactics of Washington when he is critical of Senator McCain? I suppose I’ve just rehashed Mr. Wooten’s argument, but I feel better for getting it off my chest.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
Jim, I see you’ve managed to attract some lunatic spewing the “Osama Obama iz a Closet MOOOOSLUM” @ 9:09.
You must be so proud.
By Dennis
April 28, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
As usual with his right wing column, Mr. Wooten’s selected views are slanted with the sainthood of his conservative “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” even if it is the truth.
Mr. Wooten, himself, has sat on the sidelines as this nation has gone to hell under the direction of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
As to Mr. Wooten’s “blame America” comments, the American people are great. But they are more aware now than ever before (no thanks to the main stream media) of the ethical and financial corruption of their corporate controlled government that is so willing to sacrifice American lives for corporate profits.
As to the “Obama rules”, no one has forgotton the rules of the war criminal in the White House, George W. Bush, who tried to lay down his rule and put patriotic, anti-war Americans down by saying, that if you are not with George W. Bush, then you are with the enemy.
Americans recognized that propaganda for what it was, and still is.
Save a life. Save a lot of lives. Bring the American troops home.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Truthifier @ 9:40, take your concern-troll act elsewhere. Nobody’s buying it.
By Truthifier
April 28, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
hillbyilly, I’ll share my concerns when and where I feel like it. Take your reading to the next post if you don’t agree with me.
By Cokie
April 28, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this
Hands across America but HANDS OFF OBAMA?
hahahahahahaha
NO CAN DO!
NO CANNED DOO!
hahahahahahaha
By George Washington
April 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
All Barak has to do is swear he will never, ever appoint anyone with reverend title in his or her name to any federal position, including advisory. Wright is an embarassment, one who is too stupid to shut up after doing massive damage to one of his own people - the fool keeps re inflicting the same injury. Will no one rid us of the meddlesome monk…..?
By Truthifier
April 28, 2008 9:56 AM | Link to this
Oh, and hillbilly, for the record, I made the decision years ago to leave the church where I had grown up and where my family had worshipped for generations because the church did not welcome African-Americans and the ministers thought it was appropriate to call black people the n-word. So I know what I’m talking about when I make comments about people taking responsibility for the church they attend.
By George Washington
April 28, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Yo - OBAMA NOT WRIGHT - Being anti-semitic is not against the law, it is just plain good common sense seeing as how you folks are stealing ten billion american tax dollars for israel each and every year, getting us involved in your war of extermination against arabs and muslims, are behind the invasion of iraq, and are currently pushing hard for an american attack on Iran…Anti-semitism is just good plain common sense given your corruption, theft, and deceptions….
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Truthifier, don’t pretend you don’t know what “Concern troll” means in this context.
By SW
April 28, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
All candidates are flawed to a large extent. To act as if the candidates of this year are of lesser quality is ridiculous. These are politics as we know them. Your opponents and those who disagree with you dig through your background, utilize sound bytes, and try to paint the picture that they would like to have portrayed of you. This should not be surprising because the position at hand is one of the most powerful in the world wherby one will have the authority/power to grant clemency, commute sentences, directly/indirectly give contracts, dictate the Supreme Court (in most cases), receive a huge windfall of $$ from speaking engagements, and promote laws that benefit them and their views. That is only a partial list of what the position offers. You far righters are just as dumb as the far lefters. You all need to get a grip.
By Craig
April 28, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
and for the opinion of a conservative with integrity, check out this link:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020389.php
By Truthifier
April 28, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Actually, I don’t know what you mean by concern troll. Care to elaborate?
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Link to this
Hey, Jim, you’ve also attracted a jen-you-wine anti-Semite pr!ck @ 9:59! Bravo, this is shaping up to be another one of your gold-star efforts.
By paul Atlanta, GA
April 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this
As a DISABLED VETERAN,
I feel disgraced by the media to insinuate that Rev Wright is unpatriotic!
This man operated and kept LBJ ALIVE! and served 6 years in the Marine/Navy.
I’m so happy his resume of accomplishments was able to “Air” so people with some sense could see this is a “man of the cloth”.
I’m voting for OBAMA because of his 100% approval of VA Benefits/Services to veterans.
I’m voting for OBAMA because he is the ONLY candidate that has 2 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE ECONOMIST approving his Economic plans.
I’m voting for OBAMA because he is the only candidate that understand:
PATRIOTIC ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN SYMBOLIC WORDS
By Chris Salzmann
April 28, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
If people look at what Wright actually said and did a little research, he wasn’t far off base. For example, the phrase where he mentions 9/11 and about “America’s chickens coming home to roost”, any political scientist will confirm that Osama Bin Laden was originally armed and trained by the CIA in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and his gang were just as extreme then but in the CIA’s terms he was “our extremist” or to put it crudely, he was “our SOB”. After the Soviet withdrawal, the US simply abandoned the country, all the extremists fought among themselves and the strongest, i.e. the Taliban prevailed. The Taliban were the ones who provided refuge and assistance to Al-Qaeda and BIn Laden. Granted, the story is pretty complicated but the CIA refers to this as a classic case of blowback. So, like it or not, in Bin Laden’s case, America’s chickens did come home to roost. Reverend Wright’s mistake was saying this a few days after 9/11. One can blame of for his lack of sensitivity but his facts, in this case, are correct.
By munchi
April 28, 2008 10:10 AM | Link to this
Auditor: Many Iraq contracts incomplete Millions of dollars of lucrative Iraq reconstruction contracts were never finished because of excessive delays, poor performance or other factors, federal investigators say. Full story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Is there nothing this corrupt adminstration can do right?
And, Jim is worried about some minister!
By Chris Salzmann
April 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
If people look at what Wright actually said and did a little research, he wasn’t far off base. For example, the phrase where he mentions 9/11 and about “America’s chickens coming home to roost”, any political scientist will confirm that Osama Bin Laden was originally armed and trained by the CIA in the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Bin Laden and his gang were just as extreme then but in the CIA’s terms he was “our extremist” or to put it crudely, he was “our SOB”. After the Soviet withdrawal, the US simply abandoned the country, all the extremists fought among themselves and the strongest, i.e. the Taliban prevailed. The Taliban were the ones who provided refuge and assistance to Al-Qaeda and BIn Laden. Granted, the story is pretty complicated but the CIA refers to this as a classic case of blowback. So, like it or not, in Bin Laden’s case, America’s chickens did come home to roost. Reverend Wright’s mistake was saying this a few days after 9/11. One can blame him for his lack of sensitivity but his facts, in this case, are correct.
By George Washington
April 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
hillbilly fool - why is it ok to bash arabs and muslims on this blog, but it is not ok to return the fire on the pro israel clowns?
By Believer
April 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
Praise be to the bomb. All hail the bomb. Oh No. It can’t be. It’s the Alpha-Omega-Gamma-Beta Series. It was the ultimate of the most ultimate of all ultimate deterrents. Just one of these set off in the atmosphere will simultaneously make all vegetation disappear and all animal life except humans disappear. Also, the combined effects of the radiation will make all humans love one another as well as make them want to procreate profusely. This weapon is a death worse than life. Only a madman would dare even think about building it — much less about setting it off. The horrors. The terrors. The joy. The fun. The pain. The torture. Agonizing pleasure until the end.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
Twisted equivalencies, General.
By Dusty
April 28, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Oh my goodness, liberals here have a new verse to the “sky is falling”. Not only is the sky falling, we DESERVE every bit of it. la la la sob sob sing the libs!
Maybe liberals deserve the worst(especially after they gave us Pelosi & Reid) but I’m a happy American conservative ready to vote for an experienced American patriot John McCain.
So you don’t like experienced American patriots. How about a sensible strong veteran who could still stand for his country after four years of torture and imprisonment? How about a senator who NEVER added expensive “pork” to even one of his bills in Congress? A man who does what is best for the country, not an idea set by a poll?
Then libs get clever (they think) and say “He’s just like “W”!! Well, let us hope that is true. President Bush, with great intelligence, looks at the future and knows that freedom is the most important thing to “keep” in America. It is worth every effort we can make.
That is NOT “the Obama rule”. Keeping freedom is “the Bush McCain rule” and that is the plan I choose. So will the rest of America.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this
GW the Nazi @ 10:13: it’s NOT ok to “bash muslims and arabs,” you fool.
And Truthifier @ 10:03, I gave you a damn link. Don’t pretend not to know what you’re up to.
By Southern Democrat
April 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten thinking that the North Carolina’s GOP ad is “fair play” just disgusts me. But, and correct me if I’m wrong because I do not want to distort the record, Mr. Wooten similarly did not have a problem with the smear campaign against Senator Cleland, his fellow Vietnam veteran.
Wright’s comments are vile and repugnant to just about all of us.
I offer a few things, however:
My Church, Roman Catholic, has been outspokenly against the invasion of Iraq and has condemned the U.S.’s actions. It has also allowed, we now know, systemic pedophilia by its trusted clergymen. Yet no one has accused me of being either a traitor or a pedophile despite my being inundated, week after week, with this propaganda.
Further, I don’t want to drag this into the gutter too much, but if the GOP can allow Trent Lott back into the fold after his personal racist commentary, cannot the country move past words that a candidate has never adopted and merely listened to in the context of worship?
By Southern Democrat
April 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten thinking that the North Carolina’s GOP ad is “fair play” just disgusts me. But, and correct me if I’m wrong because I do not want to distort the record, Mr. Wooten similarly did not have a problem with the smear campaign against Senator Cleland, his fellow Vietnam veteran.
Wright’s comments are vile and repugnant to just about all of us.
I offer a few things, however:
My Church, Roman Catholic, has been outspokenly against the invasion of Iraq and has condemned the U.S.’s actions. It has also allowed, we now know, systemic pedophilia by its trusted clergymen. Yet no one has accused me of being either a traitor or a pedophile despite my being inundated, week after week, with this propaganda.
Further, I don’t want to drag this into the gutter too much, but if the GOP can allow Trent Lott back into the fold after his personal racist commentary, cannot the country move past words that a candidate has never adopted and merely listened to in the context of worship?
By GW
April 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Link to this
My fellow believers,
I’ll keep me free no matter how many of your liberties I have to sacrifice. If you’re told to bend over, what will you do? If you’re told to smile, you’re on candid camera — OK, that one may be a little overboard. Now get out there and volunteer and remember that you are not doing it for yourself. You are doing it for me — I RULE! HA!HA!HA!Ha!Ha!ha!ha!ha.ha…ha
Your Leader, GW
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this
Well yee-haw! Sister Dusty is here!
Can Redneck Convert be far behind? I await his take on what Those People are up to.
By Believer
April 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
If I had not seen it with my own eyes, I would not be spreading the word. Today, I saw Jim Wooten admit once and for all “Obama Rules”. I’m telling everyone one. It’s a fact. There’s no denying it. I don’t want to hear any back-peddling. All together now,
Obama Rules Obama Rules Obama Rules
Jim said so. Didn’t you.
By goodsense
April 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
Those who don’t actively participate in the political process do get what they deserve - a default gov’t which may or may not mesh with their own values. The rest of us who do as much as our rights afford us can only hope for the best. If you’re old enough to vote you’ve probably caught on to the fact that life’s “not fair,” gov’t’s “not fair” & often the most practical and impractical things are lost and gained in legislation. But most aren’t even paying attention half the time to notice the cracks. So it comes down to doing your own part to shift the direction of our nation in the best interest of its citizens. The problem with that is, of course, most of us will NEVER agree on what exactly is best for all of us.
And while we can’t pretend that good content doesn’t sometimes get lost in what some consider a too fiery or insensitive delivery, we also can’t pretend that a delivery that rubs us the wrong way totally negates the validity of what the speaker conveys.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
SD @ 10:31: Really? “vile and repugnant ?”
Just what was it that Wright actually said that was so vile? I don’t share his belief in a vengeful God who damns those who don’t follow a specific belief system, but lord knows a whole lot of Americans DO.
Put it this way: No Republican caught any crap whatsoever for standing there at the Values Voters debate while this little ditty was being sung. Which says, essentially, the same thing as Wright… only from the right side of the aisle.
I have not heard one (1) word about that ditty in the MSM. Not one Republican candidate has been called upon to account for it.
And then there’s Rev. Hagee’s comments about the God damning New Orleans residents. It took weeks for ANY reporter to even ask McCain about it; when pressed, McCain just dodged and weaved.
So do tell—why is Wright’s perfectly reasonable condemnation of things this nation has done against humanity (are you seriously arguing that we haven’t?) something that Obama has to go out of his way to repudiate?
SD, this isn’t just a question I’m posing for you—any of the others posting or lurking in here are free to offer an honest reply. To me, the hypocrisy in Jim’s post, and in the hysteria surrounding Rev. Wright, is so thick you need a damn machete.
By Peter
April 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this
Gotta love Jim Whooten today, as always he skips what is really going on…..
They real issues with America, and the real issues with the total lack of leadership we have had in the last 8 years…..
OK Jim, skip the subjects real AMERICAN’S are concerned about….. Oil prices, lack of Health Insurance, falling dollar, lack of exit from Iraq, ridiculous budget deficit…….Housing and financial crises…….. bailing out industries by the government, no real plan for the future of America.
All the stuff that really matters…..But Hey if you can divert from the truth, and blind them with Baloney….. That would be “Family Values”.
By Joyce
April 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
So this man has an education, is bi-lingual and inspires a lot of blacks. The fact remains he did utter those words, words that are offensive to most of the country. And Obama may not have heard them when he first uttered them, but he now knows about them and still insists on keeping him in his camp. He is a man who looks at the presidency as a monarchy and he will sit on the throne and wave his scepter and all will be “Wright” with the world. I’m sorry, but I do think both Wright and Obama are devisive. I have and have had many black friends who are non-racist, educated, savvy and return my friendship three-fold. I grew up in the South with all the old “stuff” and my Mother taught me not to say bad things (including the N word). So I haven’t until now (except the N word, I’ll never say that). Now I see that if Obama doesn’t win, the Al Sharptons, etc., will come out and protest til doomsday. What are we supposed to do if Sen. Clinton or John McCain do not win. Just sit back and take it? Why doth thou protest so much? Love, not hate, will win in the end.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
True Believer @ 10:46, it is wrong, hear me? wrong, to quote Jim out of context like that.
Conservatives NEVER quote liberals out of context, after all.
oh wait…
By Dusty
April 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger @10:35
What? Another imposter playing the country bit? Have you no originality? Try “Flighty Wright Brother” or “Obama BooBoo” or “Hillary Hack” or “Captain Freefall”or “Obami Swami” or “Knobi Nonobi Obomi”. You know. Somethng DIFFERENT!!!!
By Redneck Convert
April 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this
Well, you asked for me, hillbilly, and now you got me. But I ain’t no Sister Dusty. I got alot more sense than that.
Nobody said a word today about the Falcons drafting two white guys with the first picks yesterday. And then they had to spoil it all by bringing in a bunch of Those People.
Anyhow, far as I’m concerned, we’re at war with Those People. This preacher of Obama hates white folk and so does Obama. Even if he is half white. Only a trash mama would marry one of Those People and have a kid by him.
And Obama is too a Muslim. That don’t salute the flag or say the pledge. I got a big e-mail that says its all true and I beleive it. And so does Jim Earl and Joe Bill and all the good rednecks up here in Forsyth.
What Obama and Those People want to do is sneak into office and then turn the Civil Rights laws on us. Like a wolf hound on the hunt. Before you know it we’ll have to let them into our houses and marry our women. Leastwise My President has kept the Civil Rights laws off of our backs. This commission can’t do nothing to us if there ain’t enough people appointed to meet.
I don’t like libruls but I reckon I’ll have to vote for McCain anyway. Seeing as how the Rev. Huckabee didn’t make it.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it, hillbilly. And then I reckon you know where you can stuff the pipe when you’re through smoking. Be sure its out first.
Have a good day everybody.
By willie b
April 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
Dusty, why are you always wrong…
YOU SAID THIS..
“How about a senator who NEVER added expensive “pork” to even one of his bills in Congress? A man who does what is best for the country, not an idea set by a poll?”
Now, don’t let the facts get in your way…Which are these.
In 2006, the senator teamed up with fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl (R) to funnel $10 million toward the University of Arizona for an academic center named after the late Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist.
In 2003, McCain also slipped $14.3 million into a defense appropriations bill to create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK), a notorious porker, was overjoyed that McCain had joined his side. “One man’s pork is another man’s alternate white meat,” said Stevens. “If he asked for it, we put it in.”
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this
This kind of thing—-like this Jeremiah Wright dust-up—-hangs me up. A lot of us were hoping that this year would mark the last time we had to hear the Yuppie line about how “the Nation” needs “to have a conversation” about race. Gawd, spare us from these Northwestern Com grads!
So, anyway, we’re “having church, ain’t we?” —as we used to say in Oakland. Out here y’all “do” church, or you even “get churched”, but out there, where black and white have been worshipping together so long it seems like natural, we *have church. Or we don’t.
Rev. Wright isn’t doing. We caught him not doing, and that’s not good for him, or his sheeple like me, or anybody. Personally, I like that man. He’s the sort I’d feel blessed to break bread with. The man; not the immediately current perception of him. In fact, he and I know and care for quite lot of the same sheeple.
But he’s making a mistake if he thinks that Americans at-large ever could get him just by way of his trying. It’s not that he’s too complex; I mean, he is, but so are you Jim Wooten and so am I and so even is Dusty—-so what? The sad thing is that Rev. Wright continues to invite summary judgment of him. And you just gotta know that nothing good could ever come of that.
When I sit down with someone like that fine American—-and I mean it: Jeremiah Wright is a FINE American—-I don’t want to be blackmailed into accepting someone whom I’ve already accepted, warts and more warts. He doesn’t have to tell me, as he did do so megalomaniacally yesterday, that if I want to differ with him I have to go through the whole canon of African American Studies, or I have to be prepared to denounce the NAACP at its most sublime. Oh hell no. He doesn’t get to work that on me. No, no, no no no no.
He screwed up. Fine. He can either come clean about, or get out of the way and let Barack have his day. That’s all. I don’t care about his screwing up; hell, I’M a screw-up. But I do care if he’s going to rudely interrupt the Obama campaign once again, and grandstand and blackmail his way to whatever social standing he thinks is due him.
It’s unbecoming. And for that, I’d make him pick up the tab.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Looks like Truthifier has become “Joyce” now.
Trollin’, Trollin’, Trollin. Keep a-concern trollin’…
and SD @ 10:32, another thing. When you ask:
“cannot the country move past words that a candidate has never adopted and merely listened to in the context of worship?”
Only if it chooses to. Seriously, if Americans continue to answer the racist dogwhistle being blown by Wooten and the RNC, maybe they really do deserve crappy Presidents who screw them nine ways to Sunday. Maybe.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
“racist dogwhistle”—-you nailed it, you SOB. That’s it, your own G above High C for the day. Song sold.
By Chris Salzmann
April 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
By OBAMA NOT WRIGHT wrote:April 28, 2008 9:09 AM <<…..Obama hasn’t distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe……. Some of Obama’s policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel……… Obama in traditional muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim.>>>
Dude, take a deep breath.
1)Obama “rejected and repudiated” Farrakhan. What the heck do you want him to do?
2)Just because some of Obama’s advisors are not “right-wing, pro-Israel nuts” doesn’t mean they’re closet Nazis. Frankly, our relationship with Israel is in serious need of balancing. There are a lot of people in this country who seriously believe that, and no, we aren’t closet Nazis or anti-semetic. GET OVER IT!!!
3)The last one is a hoot! Somali elders dress him up to honor him and you take that to mean he’s a closet Muslim. Maybe Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi wearing a head scarf when visiting the middle east means that they are closet Muslims too??? Care to research that? Why not? Because they’re white? If you seriously believe that nonesence, then you’re nuts! Go back to believing everything you read on the internet. Don’t forget to read that email about the $25 million in that Nigerian bank account waiting to be transfered to your account.
You just gotta love these right-wing “Christian” racists and their rants.
By Copyleft
April 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Link to this
“anti-American, America-hating, anti-American”… maybe if you keep repeating that, Wooten, some Bushdrone ninnies will actually believe it. But then, they were never going to vote intelligently anyway.
The rest of America isn’t fooled. And if you wanted a veteran War Hero in office, Dusty—why didn’t you vote for Kerry? or Gore? McLame doesn’t have a snowball’s chance.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this
Dusty @ 10:59, I’ve been at this for awhile, actually.
By munchi
April 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
I notice in today’s column there is absolutely no mention of one John Hagee who McCain sought out for an indorsement.
Bill Donohue (Catholic League President) said this.
“Did we also mischaracterize Hagee when he called my religion ‘The Great W*******,’ the ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ’ and a ‘false cult system’? McCain cannot ignore Hagee’s lies any more than he can tolerate his bigotry.
Of course McCain denounced this bit, but not the endorsement!
By Dusty
April 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
willie b,11:03
How are things at the Zoo?
I don’t believe a thing you say since you say whatever suits your fancy. You even think everybody lives in Gwinnett County and goes to the same library. Duh. I go to a DeKalb branch library that is open four days a week, never on weekends. Just an example of your lack of thought.
McCain said he did not add “pork” and for some reason, I find him more honest than you. You are probably talking about educational grants and don’t know the difference. Whatever..
Stevens is famous for his bridge to nowhere, not any close fellowship with McCain. But you, sir, are also a bridge to nowhere, a connection to liberal liabilities and nothing else.
By getalife
April 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this
Okay, the choice is clear.
We must unite with Clinton like the gop did with mcwar.
If we do not, nothing will change and it will be your fault.
So, if you really want change and really want to win this time and not lose three in a row,
Hillary Clinton is the obvious choice.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
Glennn @ 11:04, you have a very, very vivid imagination.
Wright didn’t ask for ANY of this crap. He didn’t post the videos on YouTube. He didn’t scream and cry and carry on right-wing AM radio, using every filthy guilt-by-association trick in the book.
By Jim
April 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this
What dribble…….
By AmVet
April 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
munchi,
He’s a Reaganite, doncha know?
Ronnie (who could make ANY dictator look good) gladly accepted ANY endorsement, with the “reasoning” that it didn’t mean that he in return would endorse them.
But then this is the man who gave us that absolutely brilliant 11th commandment and look where that has gotten us…
By Jim
April 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
What dribble…….
By Floyd Lewis
April 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this
The public and the press are being very affair about the Rev. Wright situation. John McCain can seek the endorsement of a right-wing religious nut who calls the Catholic Faith “The Great W*******,” and I did not hear about Catholic voters in Pennsylvania who will not vote for Mr. McCain fof that reason. Also, did large numbers of Catholics forsake the faith in the wake of reports of child abuse and homosexuality among the Catholic priesthood?
Rev. Wright is not running for President Barck Obama is. Barack is not Rev. Wright. People attend churches for any number of reasons, to commune others of faith, to worhsip God (not the Pastor as Mr. Obama said), to socialize with others in the community, etc.
In my opinion, the attention given to the Rev, Wright situation gives people the opportunity to not have to addresss their own racism, by providing a flimsy excuse for not voting for Mr. Obama.
By lazermike
April 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Jim, this is a new low. Every candidate has had negative comments made about him, and every candidate in response decries the opponent for going negative. To pretend that Obama’s comments are any different is just ridiculous. It’s not a new set of rules — it’s what people say when other people say bad things about them.
By the way, sneaky how you quoted McCain’s characterization of Rev. Wright’s comments instead of the comments themselves! That means you don’t have to report the comments accurately yourself. Smooth!
By willie b
April 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
Dusty…are you brain dead…
You write
I don’t believe a thing you say since you say whatever suits your fancy. You even think everybody lives in Gwinnett County and goes to the same library. Duh. I go to a DeKalb branch library that is open four days a week, never on weekends. Just an example of your lack of thought.
I wrote this….
Well, Dusty ol’ wise one.. perhaps you should get out more … Where I live which is Gwinnett County the libraries are open every day (Except Sunday)…
Is there anywhere in this paragraph that I state everyone lives in Gwinnett…Since you don’t seem to comprehend real well…I SAID I LIVE IN GWINNETT…Get it I!
What I wrote about McCain can easily be researched!
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger @ 11:30
You have a very, very vivid ignorance. Jeremiah asked for it when he chose to don the millstone. It matters not whether he was broadcast—-in context or otherwise—-internationally; the test is this: his leading astray the little ones.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
By the way, none other than Mike Huckabee thinks Jim Wooten’s being unreasonable…
“You can’t hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,” Huckabee says. “It’s interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what … Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you’d say ‘Well, I didn’t mean to say it quite like that.’”
And before he flip-flopped, so did McCain:
“I think that when people support you, it doesn’t mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don’t believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well … But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views… I know that, for example, I’ve had endorsements of some people that I didn’t share their views, but they endorsed mine. And so I think we’ve got to be very careful about that part.”
But hey—you Republicans have a dogwhistle, and you’re damn sure gonna blow it, aren’t you?
By Truthifier
April 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger @ 11:11am “Looks like Truthifier has become “Joyce” now.”?? Talk about people having vivid imaginations! You must be a consipracy theorist. I’m not Joyce. Sorry to disappoint.
By Chess
April 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
“It is true John McCain sought out my endorsement.”
Why is this not in the news!!!
By Peter
April 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
This Blog is dribble…… lots of Lemmings with nothing to say…..
Price of Gas going up every day…….jobs are lost in America every day……… American dollar going down every day…….. Health insurance going up every day…..
Yes Dusty the sky is NOT falling the American Economy is !
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Chess, the Hagee thing is a canard. It just is. Where McCain is involved, much bigger birds to fry than those of the canard variety…
Consider the stout Bustard, for example…
By Dusty
April 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
hillbilly ragger@11:22
So… you have your own blog clearly marked Democratic and evidently inactive since 2005. Reminds me of our Democratic (led) Congress, out there but not doing much.
Glenn,@11:04
Thanks for the left handed compliment. Yes, many of us are complex EVEN you. It just takes you longer to say it than most.
Copy Left@11:20
Why didn’t I vote for Kerry or Gore because they are veteran war heroes? Are you talking about Kerry before or after he threw his medals over the fence and talked to Viet Cong in France? And Gore, the wooden Indian of the less than stellar Clinton Administration? Surely you jest. I’m talking about real heroes like our military in Iraq. You know. The ones you and Obama do NOT support.
Bye now. See ya’ later so don’t tell too many lies while I am gone.
By Chris Salzmann
April 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
Here is Huckabee defending Obama and Wright. Interesting!!! This guy’s really growing on me. You can view the comments at the link below:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/huckabee-defends-rev-jern92346.html
“[Y]ou can’t hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,” Huckabee says. “It’s interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what … Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you’d say ‘Well, I didn’t mean to say it quite like that.’”
Later, he defended Wright’s anger, too:
“As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say ‘That’s a terrible statement!’ … I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names…”
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
Actually, Truthifier, I missed an earlier post of yours that would’ve made it clear you’re not sock-puppeting. I regret the error.
I still think you’re being hypocritical, and falling prey to a very well orchestrated, faux-outrage fit being thrown by the right wing and their corporate-media enablers.
By Morningstar
April 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
By Dusty April 28, 2008 10:24 AM President Bush, with great intelligence, looks at the future and knows that freedom is the most important thing to “keep” in America.
Now the above comment will definitely cause a Morningstar to almost crash into the moon early in the morning. Made my day!
Copyleft @ 11:20 AM And if you wanted a veteran War Hero in office, Dusty—why didn’t you vote for Kerry? or Gore?
They couldn’t ‘cause they don’t have a clue.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
Hey Joyce—-you out there? ‘Cause if so, let’s par-TAY! We’ll get Angelica, and maybe Alex Cockburn, and really do it up right! The biggest finger the World ever got flipped!
By Ron
April 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
“Change. If you question him or his values or policies, you’re part of the ‘divisive, distracting’ practices voters associate with Washington. If you become an unquestioning, adoring political groupie, you’re not. Them’s the Obama Rules.”
That’s funny. I thought those were the G.W. Bush rules.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You ARE a complex one. So what. ‘Septin’ ya don’t give nobody else the time it takes to be what they be.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Come on, Ron. Whadderyoo sayink, dahlink, that now it’s YOUR turn to be an emotive voter?
Come on. That’s beneath you. It’s beneath Barack, frankly…
By TW
April 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Staff Sergeant Shaun J. Whitehead was killed in Iraq this weekend. He was twenty-five years old, from Commerce, and leaves behind a wife, a son, and a daughter. Also, his mother, Rebecca.
But lets talk about the black guy who hurts our feelings with his words.
The people of a democracy get the government they deserve. Anybody else out there getting a kick out the rednecks faces’ when they’re filling their pick-ups? Priceless. Cleanses the soul watching morons meet accountability. Even funnier when you hear them mention that the “gas is killin’ em, ‘specially since the lay-off.” Call the recruiter – he’ll help you out.
Got Brains?
By munchi
April 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this
Glenn…Dusty complex?
He/she/it is about as complex as George W. Bush!
By Peter
April 28, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
“By Dusty April 28, 2008 10:24 AM President Bush, with great intelligence, looks at the future and knows that freedom is the most important thing to “keep” in America.”
Freedom from what Dusty….. Unemployment, bankruptcy, falling house prices, falling dollar value……
Please let us know just what is BUSH keeping us protected from ?
By Mormingstar
April 28, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
By Peter April 28, 2008 11:55AM
Price of Gas going up every day…….jobs are lost in America every day……… American dollar going down every day…….. Health insurance going up every day….. Yes Dusty the sky is NOT falling the American Economy is !
The highly intelligent and insightful leadership has been most help in ensuring all of the above.
By jumper57
April 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
Hi Jim….amazing how one’s point of view can stir so much venom. Seems hollering has replaced intelligence as a core value in this country. No surprise I suppose in a culture that drools over such self absorption as “American Idol”. The US has already seen its best days and just doesn’t know it, like Great Britain in 1800. I’m not very optomistic we’ll get it turned around. Country’s have life cycles, history is replete with examples. Those spewing here might want to consider “the forest vs the trees”. I don’t always agree with you, but do admire your courage.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
TW,
It really isn’t that Mr. Wright is black. He keeps trying to come back to that, to circle the wagons the way they do in Chicago when a love child turns up in need of college tuition; or when the books are missing too many zeroes; or the old Mexico City Fist has got the better of some latter-day Strangelove. But it’s not about that, with the people who really care: it’s that he’s a man of the cloth. That hurts, man.
By jumper57
April 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
Hi Jim….amazing how one’s point of view can stir so much venom. Seems hollering has replaced intelligence as a core value in this country. No surprise I suppose in a culture that drools over such self absorption as “American Idol”. The US has already seen its best days and just doesn’t know it, like Great Britain in 1800. I’m not very optomistic we’ll get it turned around. Country’s have life cycles, history is replete with examples. Those spewing here might want to consider “the forest vs the trees”. I don’t always agree with you, but do admire your courage.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
jumper57, in my Ebonics Dictionary, jive like yours falls under “Poindexter, Perfect”.
By Martin Slann
April 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
On a good day, Senator Obama is an empty suit. He has nothing more to say than the reptititious mantra of “hope” and “change.” His economic reform plan is to tax rich people more. No imagination, no program, and a decided preference for ignoring the fact that we are fighting for our survival against an Islamist ideology that wants us all dead or at least living in a new Dark Age.
By Jimbo
April 28, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
If you passionately pursue any of these candidates your ultimate reward will be deep disappointment.
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Yeah Jimbo. Too true. AmVet actually lives out that rhetoric, and just look at the hell he catches for not naming which relentless power-crazy he believes in. Everybody says it, when they want to sound astute and above it, but it isn’t so easy—-is it?—-to put into practice the most bloody obvious of all the ancient Christian doctrines: that the god of politics is none other than the king-lizard himself.
By @@
April 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Well here we go Jim. The Democrats’ Day of Reckoning has arrived.
Racial Tensions Threaten to Divide Democrats
Party Leaders Concerned Voters Will Not Unify After Nominee is Chosen
The two hands that feed one another are reduced to nubs.
Get out the stumped votes.
Had to happen sooner or later.
By Peter
April 28, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this
“By Martin Slann
April 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
On a good day, Senator Obama is an empty suit. He has nothing more to say than the reptititious mantra of “hope” and “change.” His economic reform plan is to tax rich people more. No imagination, no program, and a decided preference for ignoring the fact that we are fighting for our survival against an Islamist ideology that wants us all dead or at least living in a new Dark Age. “
Gee how is BUSH different…….Oh Bush wants to spend and NOT Tax…. that’s right !
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty
I have to jump on here when I can…preserving the Bush Economy, you understand.
While John McCain is a hero, while he has avoided the pork diet over the years, and while I will vote for him, he is also the one who helped give us McCain-Feingold, one of the most blatant usurpations of freedom of speech in modern American history. And while he seems to have had an epiphany, he was neck-deep with your lord god, Georgie Bush and the other reformed drunk, Teddy Kennedy, in the effort to grant amnesty (Bush doesn’t know the difference) to 20 million illegal aliens and to welcome more of the Mamacitas’ darlings to perform low wage, menial jobs for the Corporatist dominated business community.
He is a da*n sight better than Obama or Hillary, but a great leader, I have my doubts.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 11:57 — It’s not inactive; I simply posted a link to an archive page from 2005 to back up what I’d said about having been around for awhile.
If you go to the home page you’ll see stuff posted this month.
By TW
April 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Glenn - yes, shameful. Really, however, there could not be a better bow with which to wrap what ‘w’ has done to His name over the past eight years.
People don’t understand that separation of church and state is for the protection of the church. The ignorance that trumpeted a blurred line will now reap the error of their ways.
Still, sad that the loss of our soldier should be lost in the People magazine style manipulation of our news.
I knew that complaceny had bred our ignorance. What I underestimated was how soft it has made us. The people of this country would rather be told a pleasant lie than an uncomfortable truth. They called that soft when I was a kid.
Sad.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
Of course, the funniest thing of all is what’s NOT being discussed here—the transparent dishonesty of McCain’s supposed call for the local yokels to yank the TeeVee ads with the Scary Colored Minister, given that
1) By elevating this to the national press, it merely ensures that the corporate media will re-play the stupid clip for the six thousandth time when covering this “story”; and
2) McCain, um, didn’t actually do anything to stop the North Carolininans. According to this, emphasis mine, “McCain once again said that he had done all he can do, although he did admit that he has not personally tried to contact the state party and he does not plan on punishing the party if they go through with plans to place the ad on TV.”
Oooh, you so tough, McStain! such a “maverick!”
By V Racer
April 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this
The dirty little secret is out, blacks are double standard racists, or make excuses for them, and, apparently, their churches are dens of ignorance and racism. But, America has caught on. The great uniter is dividing our country more than ever before. He can’t win. Jews, Italians, most whites, angry women, successful men, patriots, hispanics, small town America, conservatives, those with good jobs, those with money, those whose kids do well in school, those whose teenage daughters don’t have STD,those who know WRight from right,woman who have live at home husbands, those without a criminal record, those who are not habitually high, those who cherish our military, all will not vote for him.
By Ga Wonkette
April 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Dear Mr. Wooten: C’mon dude! Dig a little deeper. Facts you can check:
1) Bill Clinton was the NAACP Freedom Fund dinner keynote last year.
2) Michigan is one of two states whose delegates and superdelegates won’t be seated under Mr. Dean’s rules.
3) The Detroit NAACP Chapter only confrimed Wright as this year’s keynote on April 10th - just a few weeks after the sermon controversy.
4) Obama is certifiably under the bus as of last night.
5) Somebody - or maybe many people - are stupid, but Bill ain’t one of ‘em.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Few things are more pathetic, btw, than a white right-winger claiming that this or that black American is a “racist.” In this case, I hear it applied by these dummies to both Rev. Wright AND Barack Obama.
Look up the word sometime, ‘k my sheet-donning friends?
I’ll make it real easy for you and copy/paste it here:
“a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.”
Feel free to point out where Wright ever claimed his race was superior and had the right to rule others. I’ll wait.
I won’t even bother to ask how you’d apply such a label to Obama. You can’t.
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Jim was Wright being patriotic rubbing LBJ’s heart back to life? It is just amazing how pundits like George Shortenapoulis and Sean Hannity always accuses someone of not being patriotic but will not go to fight a war to save their sorry lives. They rather sit back and let the poor people do it.
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Link to this
Hey Jim was Wright being patriotic rubbing LBJ’s heart back to life? It is just amazing how pundits like George Shortenapoulis and Sean Hannity always accuses someone of not being patriotic but will not go to fight a war to save their sorry lives. They rather sit back and let the poor people do it.
By Ron M
April 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
Rev Wright said on the PBS program that he was patriotic and I believe the man is speaking truthfully. He however would define patriotic differently than white Jim Wooten. Each comes from his own experience which is vastly different.
It is however white America that has the most work to do in improving race relations. I believe we have made strides in the past decade in race relations to the point that this civil liberty liberal has learned to appreciate what African Americans have done to improve our society.
There is nothing unpatriotic about saying that America performed racial genocide on American Indians in the 19th century. There is something unpatriotic about not providing them special opportunities to enhance themselves educationally as we begin to withdraw that privilege from blacks.
Before you start attacking Rev Wright, Mr Wooten, look to see what hypocrisy is blinding you from your own lack of patriotism. It is not a perfect world but we all should be trying to form a “more perfect union.”
By Ron M
April 28, 2008 1:34 PM | Link to this
Rev Wright said on the PBS program that he was patriotic and I believe the man is speaking truthfully. He however would define patriotic differently than white Jim Wooten. Each comes from his own experience which is vastly different.
It is however white America that has the most work to do in improving race relations. I believe we have made strides in the past decade in race relations to the point that this civil liberty liberal has learned to appreciate what African Americans have done to improve our society.
There is nothing unpatriotic about saying that America performed racial genocide on American Indians in the 19th century. There is something unpatriotic about not providing them special opportunities to enhance themselves educationally as we begin to withdraw that privilege from blacks.
Before you start attacking Rev Wright, Mr Wooten, look to see what hypocrisy is blinding you from your own lack of patriotism. It is not a perfect world but we all should be trying to form a “more perfect union.”
By Jason
April 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
While truly thinking people listen to Rev. Wright and understand his “different, not deficient” message, the purveyor of “thinking right” continues to distort the facts, pushing the message of hate that the GOP prefers.
Meanwhile, John McCain and George Bush or literally giving identical speeches. Good luck with that, Jim.
Thank God I’m an elitist; I’d hate to think I was ignorant enough to buy what you’re sellin’.
By Joe
April 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Link to this
Wooten wrote, “Obama can never get over the hurdle with Middle America that he sat for 20 years and listened to sermons from the blame-America fringe”
Blame-America fringe? Good one, Jim. Platitudes and insults will get you everywhere with the right-wing crowd.
By jbmlaw
April 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Dear Chris @ 10:11, we all had the opportunity to re-examine the comments of the bullfrog last week when Pope Benedict said (in perfect English) “God Bless America.” There is a difference, and it is not skin color.
Dear Southern @ 10:31, I believe there is a hole in your argument, and it was what I highlighted in my opening post. Obama distanced himself from “some” of the bullfrog’s statements but, as always, without specificity. It is squarely within Obama’s hands to stop the bleeding. If I was his consultant I would urge him to hold a low key press conference, repeat each inflammatory line and say something like “no rational democrat believes that, and I don’t believe that.” In retrospect, how much would the Catholic church have improved its position with a similar approach to the priest/peds?
The worst thing that can happen to Obama is that which is ongoing, the bullfrog conducting interviews with Bill Moyers defending the views. (I just noticed that Glenn is also making that point @ 11:04. I read Glenn’s arguments closely, and I can see he has begun to influence the way I perceive.) Those interviews will only separate Obama from the normal people, reminding them on a daily basis what the lunatic said, and that Obama calls him “uncle” and trusted advisor. The second best solution for Obama is to have the CIA capture the bullfrog, and hide him at GTMO until after the election. For the record, I think the NC ad is not only fair play, but necessary for the sake of the voting population, to identify the opposing candidate, who cagily refuses to identify himself.
By willie b
April 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Why is it Dusty that confronted with the facts which show you as always being wrong…It’s ta ta time!
And, again NO I will not accept your apology for your reading, and digesting of said material skills!
I understand the Dekalb library offers up courses on how to cope with early dimentia.
BTW buy me any bananas wile you were out? Or did you forget?
By Copyleft
April 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
No more squirming, Dusty; you’re stuck with admitting Kerry and Gore are WAR HEROES, the kind you’re obligated to worship, fawn over, and drool on.
That’s been your mantra ever since started posting, remember? “Worship the troops… serve the troops… the troops can do no wrong.” You don’t get to make exceptions when the sacred “troops” happen to disagree with you and stand up for REAL American values.
You know, liberal ones. (snicker)
For the record, of course, you don’t “support our troops” one bit. You’re trying to get them KILLED. For NOTHING. That’s not too supportive, last time I checked.
The ones trying to stop Bush’s insane war are the REAL patriots. We’re the ones who actually support the troops—heck, we’re trying to save their freakin’ LIVES here! What have YOU done to support them—other than jam your fingers in your ears, squeeze your little piggy eyes shut, and chant “la-la-la, all war is good war, kill ‘em some more, I’m a good amurrikan”?
You’re a pathetic, treasonous coward, Dusty. Everyone here knows it and we see your cowardice and hypocrisy every day. You don’t deserve to let the word “America” cross your pathetic, sick, traitorous lips—and you know it.
Worthless P.O.S. It’s a good thing there are REAL Americans sticking up for your right to expose your pathetic ignorance here.
And yes, those real Americans are LIBERALS. Get used to it, because we’re taking back OUR country. Your days are numbered, coward.
By asian doctor
April 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
it is over for mr hussein obama.
wright has destroyed his campaign.
hillary is going to be the nominee and will lose to mccain this fall.
god bless america
By AmVet
April 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Link to this
Just got this via email and though corny, is pretty funny:
I am over 60 and the US military thinks I’m too old to track down terrorists. You can’t be older than 42 to join. They’ve got the whole thing a*-backwards. Instead of sending 18-year olds off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn’t be able to join a military unit until you’re at least 35.
Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a week, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.
Young guys haven’t lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. “My back hurts! I can’t sleep, I’m tired and hungry” We are impatient and maybe letting us shoot some a*******hole that desperately deserves it will make us feel better and shut us up for a while.
An 18-year-old doesn’t even like to get up before 10 a.m. Old guys always get up early to pee so what the hell. Besides, like I said, “I’m tired and can’t sleep and since I’m already up, I may as well be up shooting at some fanatical s.o.b.
If captured we couldn’t spill the beans because we’d forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.
Boot camp would be easier for old guys. We’re used to getting screamed and yelled at and we’re used to soft food. We’ve also developed an appreciation for guns. We’ve been using them for years as an excuse to get out of the house, away from the screaming and yelling.
They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I’ve been in combat and didn’t see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any push ups after completing basic training.
Actually, the running part is kind of a waste of energy, too. I’ve never seen anyone out run a bullet.
An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He’s still learning to shave, to start up a conversation with a pretty girl. He still hasn’t figured out that a baseball cap has a brim to shade his eyes, not the back of his head.
These are all great reasons to keep our kids at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off into harm’s way.
Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten coward terrorists. The last thing an enemy would want to see is a couple of million po’d old farts with attitudes and automatic weapons who know that their best years are already behind them.
If nothing else, put us on border patrol….we will have it secured the first night!
Share this with your senior friends. It’s purposely in big type so they can read it.
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Ron, Wooten probably goes home and looks at the collector edition, boxec set movie Gone With the Wind everynight because it reminds him when black folksd stayed in their place and didn’t talk back to white folks. Ahhhh the good ole days just makes him kinna misty just thinking about it. He hates it now when he walks into a room of black folks and he is ignored. That is why he hates Rev. Wright. Wake up Wooten it’s a new SHERIFF in town.
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
Ron, Wooten probably goes home and looks at the collector edition, boxec set movie Gone With the Wind everynight because it reminds him when black folksd stayed in their place and didn’t talk back to white folks. Ahhhh the good ole days just makes him kinna misty just thinking about it. He hates it now when he walks into a room of black folks and he is ignored. That is why he hates Rev. Wright. Wake up Wooten it’s a new SHERIFF in town.
By ghost rider
April 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
Asian Doctor…
You dinky dau!
By GW
April 28, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
La LA La lA LA lA La LA LA!
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Screw the functional arguments, AmVet, just look at the ledger: we wouldn’t have to spend so much Jim-Webbucks on you short-timers—-it’s a steal, all round!
Hillary’s campaign evidently has recruited these brownshirt crones to go Mau-Mau the Obamakins for trying to deny Woman Roaring her day in the Ovulating Office. Seems to be working for Billary. So why not cut you cranky fogeys loose on OBL?
This could work!
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
Rev. Wright is a hero, patriot, and a veteran.
Cheney is a draft-dodging coward who phonied up a health deferment from the draft. Twice or three times. I’d love to see that medical bribery trail. But dont try to research this, bloodhounds, they’ll kill you if you stumble on the truth or get too close.
Ever hear Cheney mumble past the answer about just what was wrong with him that got him out of the draft?
Obama as president, and Rev. Wright as Veep, would be 1000x more military and patriotic than Bush/Cheney duo of knuckleheads, traitors, liars, thieves, and cowards.
Look at it this way: Obama and Rev. Wright have nothing to hide. You cant get any worse than “GD AMerica”, and the other histrionic homilies.
So he gets carried away delivering sermons in church. What pastor hasn’t.
you’ve got nothing, WOoten.
Nothing. It’s like wooten is afraid that obama will get us involved in a quagmire in the middle east or something.
Even an uneducated simple man would be better than Bush as prez. Anyone could do as well as bush as prez. any american. pick one.
By Redneck Convert
April 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Well, it took awhile but looks like AmVet is coming around to endorsing a great idea by a great American: jbmlaw’s Old Folks Army. And the best part is like jbmlaw said. We get rid of the old geezers on Social Security. That way we can use the SS money on more Tax Cuts. Heck with borrowing from China. We’ll just use the SS money that pours in on paying cash on the barrel head for whatever we want while the old folks that would waste it get put on the Army payroll and don’t cost us so much.
I’m sorry I ever thought of AmVet as a Trader. Now I know he’s a Real American.
By demwit
April 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this
Why do Wooten’s posting always create so much attention on the AJC??
By deegee
April 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
“Change. If you question him or his values or policies, you’re part of the “divisive, distracting” practices voters associate with Washington. “
NOT! but nice try at clouding the issue with semantics. Barack Obama has answered honestly all questions concerning his values and policies. At issue is the divisive, distracting practices that voters associate with the mud-slinging political campaigns born in the war rooms of high-priced, Washington political campaign consultants. Barack Obama’s values and policies are reflected in his voting record and what he has done for his country and his constituents over the years. American voters are eager for change, and they are sick of the Rovian, Clintonesque brand of political campaigning.
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
“Rev. Wright as Veep,”
Seriously, how about Kansas Gov. Kathy Sibelius instead?
By getalife
April 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
Hillary Clinton will be the next President.
Don’t forget to buy Wright’s upcoming book on change.
Change is his bank account and he made it off of Obama’s downfall.
By Jackie
April 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this
@jbmlaw,
This is information that you stated concerning the Supreme Court decision. Everything I have found indicates that your interpretation is not correction.
“By jbmlaw April 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this Dear Jackie @ 4:43, I think you misspeak. The Supreme Court issued something like a “states rights” ruling, that the Federal Constitution does not preclude a state’s interpretation of searches. By so empowering the states, the Supreme Court magnifies federalism, and diminishes the central government. That is a cause for celebration.
Here is a legal link to counter your arguments. If needed, there are others that quickly dispel what you contend.”
http://volokh.com/posts/1209061862.shtml
By Skeptic Tank
April 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Jim, you’re wasting our time. Take a look around you, pal. Our economy is CRUMBLING. Our troops are dying for nothing, and we’re hemorrhaging in all ways because of it: financially, politically and morally. Our state government is a national laughingstock, and the only thing they could accomplish in their last session was embarrassing in-fighting with nothing to show for it. Our children can’t compete internationally because of our abysmal education system.
Did Obama cause this? Did Reverend Wright? No, pal. Your beloved REPUBLICANS did this to us.
If you can’t be accountable for your myriad failures, what in the world makes you think you have an ounce of credibility when you attack the liberals?
By hillbilly ragger
April 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
Another challenge for the racist pr!cks posting here: [Find the “racist” or “unpatriotic” verbiage in this transcript of Rev. Wright’s National Press Club speech] (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/us/politics/28text-wright.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)delivered today.
Go ahead. I’ll wait.
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this
HEY! Does AlQueda even have a flag? I’ve never seen it. The Rev was speaking poetically or metaphorically, even if Al Queda does have a flag.
I mean, you give some kind of patriotic icon accoutrements to Al Queda, (Okay, ahkmed, this is your merit badge and here is your flag, emblems, manifesto and a nice box to keep it all in) and they either burn it or use it as shrapnel. They’re out of CONTROL!
Yes, lets see how versed in the the founding al queda documents the Rev. Wright truly is: They wrote everything in disappearing ink! All their recordings self destructed in 5 seconds. Everytime they built a facism hall of fame they blew it up.
bwa. you people. Obama is the next prez. I’m proud to be an american for the 57th time in my life. (I’m 57) but I’m ashamed of Bush and Cheney. Truly ashamed of them. Ashamed. real shame. real. shame.
There is an alternative to Wooten living the USA with Obama as our president: Wooten living in Europe with Obama as our president.
By Ron M
April 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
I agree with God Bless American but to receive that blessing we must elect a president who will tell us the truth in the future so that we may act in a manner deserving of God’s blessing. God surely has not blessed this country over the past seven years whatever metric is used. We as a people are responsible to do that which God would bless.
To often the expression God Bless America means God overlook our sins for we are the most powerful nation and might is right. Most religious Americans do not interpret it that way.
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
God Bless America.
That is a poetic phrase that has no meaning. It’s simple a nice thing to say when the Statue of Liberty sneezes.
God doesn’t bless country. God doesn’t bless anything. We bless. With holy water and prayer. God creates. God waits. God punishes the wicked.
That’s the only thing that keeps me hangin’ on.
By Hmmmmm
April 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
Skeptic Tank… Do you really believe in all that horse crap your spewing? Get some help man! The real tragedy is that the only democrats you can vote for, Obama and Hillary. A man who has done nothing to merit a vote, and a woman who is devoid of any morality. At this point I have NO idea who I will vote for, but I know from simple research that neither democratic candidate is worthy.
By Frederick Douglass
April 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
If only one good thing comes out of this election, please let it be an understanding of racism. Racism is nothing more than control, its not whether I like you,or if you like me. If I’m black and I wield control over important aspects of your life such as employment, housing, environment, and I systematically use that control to harm a certain group, then I’m racist. Ask the question of yourselves, which aspects of your lives do black people control?
By Skeptic Tank
April 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Hmmmmm.
The most unbelievable thing is that you can type with your head so deeply esconced in your southern cavity.
For your information, I am hardly a liberal OR a Democrat. I’m one of the vast MAJORITY of Americans who have been abandoned by our politicians in Washington, who do NOT have our best interests in mind, and who parade around as Democrats and Republicans, knowing full well that partisan idiots like you will continue to keep them in power.
After 12 years of Republican Congressional rule and 8 years of a failed Republican presidency, how in God’s name can you ascribe the abysmal state of affairs in America today on LIBERALS?
As I said before, your lack of accountability leads to a lack of CREDIBILITY. Give it up.
By Morningstar
April 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
By Redneck Convert April 28, 2008 2:23 PM And the best part is like jbmlaw said. We get rid of the old geezers on Social Security. That way we can use the SS money on more Tax Cuts. Heck with borrowing from China. We’ll just use the SS money that pours in on paying cash on the barrel head for whatever we want while the old folks that would waste it get put on the Army payroll and don’t cost us so much.
Redneck, we’ll still borrow from China. We’ll borrow and borrow until we’re up to our neck in (I refuse to say) IT. Old folks who can work will continue to do so as long as health allows (most do anyway). Old f@r*s in occupations such as construction, anything requiring one remain in an upright position for 4 hours until break, among other physically challenging occupations, may enter the GREAT MILITARY established by GWB, and wiped out, killed, snuffed out, maxed out, shortly. That’s one way to get rid of the old gezers. Who gives a Cr@P if they have worked, paid taxes and been good citizens for 45 + years. Not to worry, the GREAT MILITARY established by GWB and company will take you on until you die from exhaustion or heart failure. You ain’t worth a cr@@@p anyway. The bottom line is this: The obvious objective of this administration was to create some type of catastrophe that would give ‘some excuse’ for depleting all our surplus (and more). Hence, we must “DO AWAY” with any program that assists people. The 911 situation gave opportunity for this administration to lie and attack IRAQ, thereby creating a multitude of chaos. Way to go dummies. Unfortunately some of the ‘dummies’ who support this administration are those who have the most to lose. Bye Bye now.
By Ron M
April 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
“God Bless America”, an expression Mr, President has used as he did things that caused God to act otherwise. Do not tell God what to do, he knows what is in our hearts and we will assuredly receive that blessing if so deserved.
Do not mix religion and politics, each is profaned by the other. Rev. Wright has done himself and his position a disservice by deliberately injecting himself in the political arena. He needs to speak out but not during a campaign. He speaks as if the past and present are identity and from my own experience I know they are not. I know that Rev Wright is incorrect and I know that as long as Mr Wooton gives voice to his misperceptions, Rev Wright must also.
By Hmmmmm
April 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Schmedley, You and Skeptic can share the medical attention that you both need!
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Obama knows if he starts to get tough with Hiliary folks will get mad at him and really vote for Hiliary and she knows it. The last thing he needs to appear is as a ANGRY Black man. That is why he has to remain calm at all times. I wonder do white male canidates go through all of that. She got the sympathy vote to get into New York now she is trying to get it to get it in the White House. How is she gonna try to make Obama have a debate with her when she couldn’t control her own husband from fooling around with other women. She should have had a debate with her husband first.
By hotlanta
April 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Obama knows if he starts to get tough with Hiliary folks will get mad at him and really vote for Hiliary and she knows it. The last thing he needs to appear is as a ANGRY Black man. That is why he has to remain calm at all times. I wonder do white male canidates go through all of that. She got the sympathy vote to get into New York now she is trying to get it to get it in the White House. How is she gonna try to make Obama have a debate with her when she couldn’t control her own husband from fooling around with other women. She should have had a debate with her husband first.
By Morningstar
April 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Please LET ME CLARIFY the statement I made above: “The bottom line is this: The obvious objective of this administration was to create some type of catastrophe that would give ‘some excuse’ for depleting all”
911 WAS NOT CREATED. IT HAPPENED! Hence, no need for creativity. 911 simply gave an excuse to attack Iraq. Must make that clear before our ‘intelligent’ posters here ‘poop the panties,’ and go on their usual tirades.
By Disgusted
April 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
At this point I have NO idea who I will vote for, but I know from simple research that neither democratic candidate is worthy.
Hmmm. I wonder which candidate this person will vote for. Hillary? Nope—she’s a Democrat. Obama? Nope—he’s a Democrat. Let’s see now, who could possibly remain?
I suspect this conversation is occurring in about 70% of Georgia homes. “I ain’t a racist, no sirree. But I’ll be daed if I vote for a N* or an uppity woman. I guess I’ll have to do the patriotic thing and vote for McCain. Sonny says he’s OK, so I guess he is. We got to keep our good Christian values.”
By jbmlaw
April 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
Dear Jackie @ 2:44, thanks for the link, but Volokh seems to me to be saying the same thing I did, that the Supreme Court has reversed ground, and magnifies the interpretations by the individual states, rather than enforcing a Federal standard – thus recreating Federalism where there was once only a central government rule.
By Polynyrd Skynyrd
April 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Most faux-conservatives like jmblaw and Glennis & black racists like PolySimpleSkin find it difficult to contribute meaningfully to a discussion about race and politics, more specifically, about race and Obama.
You keyboard Clingons need to head at warp speed to the nearest inner-city high school to determine why most Euro-Americans don’t want an Obama-esque candidate for president.
It is about race and Western culture. If you like your culture African then Africa awaits your many talents. Tony Blankley’s article summarizes the situation nicely as Europe prepares for the enevitable war..
No, visually-challenged elitists do not dare to live in the real world, on the front lines of the culture wars, where the middle-class daily fight battles from which elitists shrink. Or worse, they hide behind private schools, keyboards and iron grating.
By Devastator
April 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
Wall Street Journal: Democrats Have Their Nominee
The Democrats Have a Nominee April 24, 2008;
Other than ensuring the Greatest Show on Earth will continue, does it matter that Hillary Clinton defeated Barack Obama Tuesday in Pennsylvania by nine-plus points? Barack Obama is the nominee.
No matter how many kicks the rest of us find in such famously fun primary states as Indiana and South Dakota, it’s going to be McCain versus Obama in 2008.
I believe the cement set around the Clinton coffin last Friday. The Obama campaign announced it had received the support of former Sens. Sam Nunn of Georgia and David Boren of Oklahoma.
Both are what some of us nostalgically call Serious Democrats. They represent what the party was, but is no more: sensible on national security, spending and middle-class values. Obama receiving their imprimatur is like hands reaching out from the graves of FDR, JFK and LBJ to announce: “Enough is enough. This man is your nominee. Go forth and fight with the Republicans.” Make no mistake: Superdelegates with sway took notice.
Former Sen. Nunn is sometimes mentioned as a possible running mate for Sen. Obama. In a better world, Sam Nunn (or a David Boren) would have been the party’s candidate for president. Such candidacies remain impossible under the iron law of Democratic primary politics: No centrist can secure the party’s nomination in a primary system dominated by left-liberal activists. The iron law produces candidacies such as McGovern (1972), Mondale (‘84), Dukakis (‘88), Gore (‘00) or Kerry (‘04), who pay so many left-liberal obeisances to win in the primaries that they cannot attract sufficient moderates at the margins to win the general election.
Bill Clinton, who broke that law twice, knows all this. His 1996 triangulation campaign dangled welfare reform and spending restraint. It worked.
Hillary Clinton knows all this. In 2005, just after George W. Bush won re-election buoyed by “moral values” voters, Sen. Clinton reached out to them in a January speech: “the primary reason that teenage girls abstain [from sex] is because of their religious and moral values. We should embrace this.” By “we” she meant that voters still wedded to middle-class respectability, say in Ohio, should embrace her.
She has worked hard as a member of the Armed Services Committee to establish her bona fides with general officers, and some have endorsed her. As well, her hedged, equivocal vote “for” the Iraq War was mainly a centrist investment to cash in fall 2008. (The left won’t allow it; see iron law above.)
The 2008 nomination was hers. There was no competition. She was a lock to run for the roses against the Republican nominee. Republicans must have had this conversation a hundred times back then: “It’s Hillary. She’s got it. Get over it.”
Sam Nunn and David Boren by political temperament should be in her camp. Instead, they threw in with Obama, who calls his campaign “post-partisan,” a ludicrous phrase. The blowback at ABC’s debate makes clear that Obama is the left’s man. So what did Messrs.
Nunn and Boren see?
The biggest event was the Clinton Abandonment. In a campaign of surprises, none has been more breathtaking than the falling away of Clinton supporters, loyalists … and friends.
Why?
Money. Barack Obama’s mystical pull on people is nice, but nice in modern politics comes after money. Once Barack proved conclusively that he could raise big-time cash, the Clintons’ strongest tie to their machine began to unravel. Today he’s got $42 million banked. She’s got a few million north of nothing.
But it’s more than that. Barack Obama’s Web-based fund-raising apparatus is, if one may say so, respectable. The Clintons’ “donor base” has been something else.
It is hard to overstate how fatigued Democratic donors in Manhattan and L.A. got during the Clinton presidency to have Bill and Hillary fly in, repeatedly, to sweep checking accounts. The Lincoln Bedroom rental was cheesy. Bill’s 60th birthday gala (tickets $60,000 to 500K) was a Clinton fund-raiser. The 1996 John Huang-Lippo-China fund-raising scandal pushed Clinton contributors toward a milieu most didn’t need in their lives. Hillary’s 2007 Norman Hsu fund-raising scandal was an unsettling rerun of what the donor base could expect from another Clinton presidency.
It was all kind of gross, but the Clintons never seemed to see that. When Obama proved he could perform this most basic function in politics, it was a get-out-of-jail-free card for many Democrats. For some, this may be personal. For others, it is likely a belief that the party’s interests lie with finding an alternative to the Clinton saga. One guesses this is what Sam Nunn and David Boren concluded.
Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania prove it won’t be easy. Barack Obama himself said Tuesday night, “I’m not perfect.” He heads to the nomination freighted with all the familiar Democratic tensions that keep a Sam Nunn off the ballot: race and gender obsessions, semipacifism and you bet, bitter white voters. So be it. For modern Democrats, winning the White House always requires some sort of magic to get near 50%. For the Clintons, that bag is empty. The Democrats have a new magician. It’s Obama.
Write to henninger@wsj.com
By Devastator
April 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
I’ve just landed in North Carolina, and I wanted to let you know about where we stand in this battleground state.
All across North Carolina, I’ve spoken to veterans, students, and factory workers about the challenges small-town America is facing — and about how we’re going to start solving them.
I see the excitement on the ground, and I truly believe North Carolina is ready to stand up for a different kind of politics. But only if people like you get involved and take ownership of this effort.
In the coming days, supporters across the country will be coming to North Carolina to knock on doors, make phone calls, and Get Out The Vote for Primary Day on May 6th — and they need your help.
I know this is a big decision. But what’s brought our campaign where we are today is that so many people — including many who never thought they’d get involved in politics in their lifetime — have taken that leap to help us succeed.
We need to finish strong in the Tar Heel State, so I hope you’ll sign up to take the trip this weekend:
http://my.barackobama.com/CometoNC
People are paying attention to what happens in North Carolina this week.
They know how far we’ve traveled together, but they want to know whether we can close this race, secure the nomination, and finally bring about the change our country so desperately needs.
We can bring jobs back to communities across America, reduce the price of gas, and put an end to the war in Iraq — and it all begins in North Carolina.
In the next eight days.
I hope you’ll join us.
Barack
By Polynyrd Skynyrd
April 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
Most faux-conservatives like jmblaw and Glennis & black racists like PolySimpleSkin find it difficult to contribute meaningfully to a discussion about race and politics, more specifically, about race and Obama.
You keyboard Clingons need to head at warp speed to the nearest inner-city high school to determine why most Euro-Americans don’t want an Obama-esque candidate for president. It’s the culture, stupids.
It is most decidedly about race and Western culture, friends. If you like your culture African then an Obama presidency will give you what you want. Tony Blankley’s article summarizes the culture wars nicely as Europe prepares for the inevitable “war.”
No, visually-challenged elitists do not dare to live in the real world, on the front lines of the culture wars, where the middle-class daily fight battles from which elitists shrink. Or worse, they hide behind private schools, iron grating & keyboards.
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Devastator: 2 long. nobody reads U. too long. try 25 words or less. then stick your head in the toilet. Have wife flush completing the swirly. Add Polynyrd Skynyrd and you’ve got the finishing touches to a triple moron monday.
Poly skyn: You started out great. Love the Pollysimpleskin. Great stuff. but then you blew it with a bunch of tripe. You’ve got 2 understand the power of words. Every word has power. real power. try less. less is more if you know how.
Then go stick your head in the…..aw, you get the bit.
But great start, sir!!!!
Damn, I think my work is almost done here. Stay tuned for an educational course correction that you ALL need, and which I’m very grateful to have the honor to assist you ALL with.
It concerns what the human being is. Our eyes are antenna. Tuned to the visible wavelenghts of the electromagnetic spectrum. We evolved antenna because light penetrates the atmosphere. The rest of the spectrum doesn’t penetrate the atmosphere. Well, except radio waves, and we dont have enough metal in our biomass to detect radio waves, at least we dont think we do, but guess what? Magnetic forces that the earth creates and which are defacto part of the electromagnetic spectrum do penetrate and birds and bees and other creatures evolved antenna to detect and translate those forces.
Now the good part. If our eyes are antenna, then what is our nervous system? I purposely left out infrared wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum. Our entire body and the nervous system inside is an antenna for infrared radiation. We are antenna.
We are antenna.
We’d pick up xrays and cosmic rays and gamma rays and everything else IF those rays penetrated our atmosphere.
It’s proof we were created after the earth and we are earth stuff, not star stuff, and it’s proof of evolution.
Know it, believe it, live it.
And FU, wooteen for stealing my style. Anybody else catch his, “Teach that, preach that, counsel that?” (complete with the way I use periods for emphasis). ending to his POS piece of al ka ka he wrote a few days ago?
Get your own girls, stinky.
Man I got a real problem with sampling hacks.
ISAIDHACK!
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this
We are antenna. We are antenna.
ISAIDWEAREANTENNA!!!!
By Polynyrd Skynyrd
April 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
I used to know a guy named Bill Medley in Texas and we called him “Schmedley” because, well, because he was a Schmedley.
‘Nuff said?
By TW
April 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
WTF?
BAGHDAD - Bombardments by suspected militants killed four U.S. soldiers Monday as troops tried to push Shiite fighters farther from the U.S.-protected Green Zone and out of range of their rockets and mortars.
Those who put talk of Rev Wright ahead of the abortion in Iraq do al qaeda’s work for them.
By JustMe
April 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Rev. Wright reminds me of George Wallace. They both polished their apple but it remains an apple. A poison apple.
By FLY
April 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,2392831,print.story
Factor military duty into criticism
By Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss April 3, 2008
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,” gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.
In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.
What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America’s biggest cities.
This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.
Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.
We’ve seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright’s many sermons.
Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him “unpatriotic,” let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.
How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.
While words do count, so do actions.
Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration. Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune
By JustMe
April 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Rev. Wright reminds me of George Wallace. They both polished their apple but it remains an apple. A poison apple. I know hatred when I hear it. Rev. Wright is preaching hate. I know it, you know it and Rev. Wright knows it.
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Okay. There’s more. And this is the critical part. We are antenna for other dimensions that we can prove are there mathematically.
It’s just possible that god is an intuitive human trait, that is, we can hear god. Some of us better than others, but all of us have the same potential to hear god’s thoughts with our god antenna.
Proof: If there IS a god, (and that’s a big if, people, I personally dont think we deserve a god, we’re pirates, for god’s sakes), then god is supposed to create mankind and just forget about it? or would god communicate with his creation?
There is virtually NO chance in hell, that god would create mankind and then not care about it or instruct it. There isn’t any reason why he wouldn’t do exactly as the bible suggests: find an isolated tribe that would keep his word unadulterated by the outside world. The jews are perfect. they were thought of as less than human so nobody would bother adulterating the “stories” they told. The Jews were herded and driven by every population they came in contact with, but they were left culturally intact. Notice that? Nobody wanted to Hack any jewish tradition. They would have been laughed at or killed. God is a genius. Make the scumbag, lowly Jews the vessel of god’s instructions. (Christ was telling us with the beatitudes, that only the poor, and the humble inherit any reward). We’re fools. Dont you see it? We’ve valued dirt over our own trillion dollar souls. And now, we’ve the devil to pay.
Okay, so how can you save your soul? I reluctantly under protest tell you that to save your soul you need to undo the trivial scam you pulled to get the success you enjoy. Most of you who have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams, with rare exception, got there on the careers and even the bodies of others who you used as stepping stones, or who were simply in your way, so you destroyed them. Either give those people everything and beg forgiveness, or you are going straight to hell. (no exceptions)
That’s the only thing that keeps me hangin’ on.
By Skeptic Tank
April 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
Just Me.
Want to hear hatred being preached? Listen to AM radio in Atlanta. So-called compassionate conservatives lambasting those who dare disagree with them, widening the chasm between Americans, doing al Qaeda’s work for them.
In these troubling times, the division preached by Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Herman Cain, and their ilk, is as inexcusable as anything you purport to despise.
By Dusty
April 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
I told you folks not to lie while I was gone. But…this place is a junkyard of loser lib jibberish. Some jibber better than others.
Dear MidSouthPhil @12:56…Nothing is pure & perfect, even Ivory Soap. But it still washes well. McCain is clean. (I admit I like everything “legal”.)
Dear Ron M.@1:32 What you don’t know about American Indians would fill a book. Why don’t you go out to the southwest for a little trip. Have plenty of gasoline. The Navajo Reservation is the size of West Virginia. Now don’t worry. You won’t get scalped.
hillbilly ragger@1:25 Hit the books, baby, i.e., the dictionary. Anybody can be a racist. It’s the attitude, not the skin color.
Jason@1:37 So McCain sounds like Bush. That McCain just gets better and better.
willie b @2:01 No, I did not bring you any bananas. What apology?
Copyleft@2:01 Hmmm…why do I get the feeling that you might not like me??? Whom do I worship? If you had gone to church with me yeterday you might find out. Try it. You’ll like it.
Asian doctor@2:03 I like your chop suey.
SChmedly Carson@2:53 Fifty seven years old and hasn’t learned a thing.
**Devastator”@4:14 Would somebody please push this windbag off the plane in N.C. (at two thousand feet if necessary). I never thought I’d be bored to death by a liberal.
Well, I am sorry if I missed anybody. Time is running short and the butler just called. He said that Obama was “cooked”. As is often said here:”Libs, stick a fork in it!”
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
I got slimed by PoFo! This is a good day, people!
So I finished solving the problems of Lower Macedonia and got back here to my Tampa digs to loosen my tie and take a break from CENTCOM and maybe hoist a few cold ones (beerhawk tht I am), and I see that you people have barely even STARTED to get into the sh!t calling each other bigots and so on. Fo shiz, PoFo got some folk down as “racist pr!cks”, but from a guy like him that’s barely the squeak of a pip.
Can’t you all do it up right? When y’all talk smack, you’re supposed to TALK SMACK! You know, roller-derby style, ultimate fighting—-that sort of thing. Really lay into one another. What’s a beerhawk gotta do for a little entertainment around here?
How’re you Kindergarteners ever going to learn from Mother Foreskin how to talk about Race—-there, I said it…RACE!—-if you don’t start by running each other down? Hmmmn?
You’re never gonna get to First Grade this way.
(Actually, don’t tell Teacher, but this campaign wasn’t supposed to be about race; it was supposed to be about gender. Or so the infallibly fallible pundidiots sed; now they, and Teacher here, are trying to move it onto race, only to find that it’s already moved off their subject: to religion—-which they can’t bring themselves to talk about! Tee-hee! Leetle joke’s on Teacher!)
By Mike
April 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
By Skeptic Tank
April 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
Just Me.
Want to hear hatred being preached? Listen to AM radio in Atlanta. So-called compassionate conservatives lambasting those who dare disagree with them, widening the chasm between Americans, doing al Qaeda’s work for them.
In these troubling times, the division preached by Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage, Herman Cain, and their ilk, is as inexcusable as anything you purport to despise.”
I notice that Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, Mike Luckovich or Maureen Dowd on there. I guess intolerance for others opinions is OK as long as you are a liberal.
Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.
By Taxpayer
April 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
First choice for President: Ron Paul
Second Choice for President: Bob Barr
Third Choice for President: SpongeBob
By NO-BAM-A
April 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
Obama’s campaign issued a 1,300-word “fact check” pooh-poohing his connection to Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn (another former Weathermen terrorist), as “phony,” “tenuous,” “a stretch” - but simultaneously defending them as “respectable fixtures of the mainstream in Chicago.”
Is this Obama’s idea of “respectable” and “mainstream” political thinking? If so, doesn’t that tell us something about his judgment and standards?
In Chicago the other day, radio producer Guy Benson discovered video recordings of Ayers and Dohrn speaking at a reunion of antiwar radicals in November 2007. To live in the United States, Dohrn told the group, is to be “inside the heart of the monster” that is such a “purveyor of violence in the world.” Ayers denounced America as an imperial warmonger steeped in “jingoistic patriotism, unprecedented and unapologetic military expansion, white supremacy … attacks on women and girls, violent attacks, growing surveillance in every sphere of our lives, on and on and on.”
Even if Obama doesn’t personally believe these things, is it really “tired tripe” to ask why he seems so comfortable in the company of people who do? Is it really “extremely stupid politics” to wonder whether such people might play a role in an Obama administration? Rather than slam the few journalists who raise such questions, might it not behoove others in the media to follow suit?
By: Jeff Jacoby
By Glenn
April 28, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this
Journalists, Mr. Jacoby? Did you say “journalists”? How quaint. Nice to have you aboard, Mr. Beebe; Second Seating is at Seven O’Clock prompt, sir. Should you prefer to make your selections prior to First Course, a steward will come round to your suites following Tea…
By Schmedley Carson
April 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
Wooten thinks Obama’s pastor is an “Anti-American Bigot”.
Lets just look at that. Because in that logic-challenged assertion lies wooten’s soul.
Obama’s pastor is an “anti-jim crow” bigot, and arent’ we all?
To call Obama’s pastor unpatriotic is to suggest that slavery never existed or that blacks weren’t ex-slaves for a while and then jim crow victims, or that we never saw a sign that read, Colored Restrooms. or Whites only.
Jim Wooten, U R evil. Pure, Evil. You lie. You worship the lie. You write the hacked lie. You dont even lie for yourself, you pathetic human being. How dare you.
HOWDAREYOU!!!!
By Frederick Douglass
April 29, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
The present will be reflected upon as the juncture when this nation entered its death throes. undeniably it will be ironic that the forces that claimed to be keepers of the gate, were the ones that brought us down. Alas, Rome imploded.
By Issue Hunter
April 29, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Al-Wright already. Can we get back to the real issues please?.
By Issue Hunter
April 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Al-Wright already! Can we get back to the real issues, please?.
By Linda of Atlanta
April 30, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
People who malign voters that support Obama should themselves be maligned for supporting McCain who needs intensive anger management counseling. Those who suggest that Hillary Clinton’s Lying is harmless are deceiving themselves and should ask the families of the soldiers who have died in Iraq if having a President who lies is harmless. Nothing you can say about Obama (that’s proven fact)is anywhere near as dangerous in a president as the qualities and character traits that have been proven about the other two candidates.