Thinking Right

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{The son of the Dutch defense chief was killed Friday by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan, and the Taliban claimed they deliberately made the young lieutenant a high-profile target.-Urinal}}}}

Ahhh, yes, the cave dwelling terrorists have broken our secret code!

Or maybe they have their own spy satellites now?

Meanwhile, back on Earth:

{{{{“I doubt they even knew who Van Uhm was,” Van den Burg said. “This is just propaganda for them.”- Excerpted from the entire AP story not just the edited fairy tale Urinal BS version.}}}}

Is there any doubt that the Urinal is giving aid and comfort to the sworn enemies of freedom and democracy?

And the enemies of common human decency?:

{{{{“Al Qaeda has lost Iraq,” writes Yon. Insurgents need the support of the local population. Many of us still think of al Qaeda as well-disciplined, dedicated religious fanatics.}}}}

Because of POS liberals propagandizing on their behalf and not telling us the real truth about them:

{{{{In fact, they are degenerate lunatics, a cult of death worshippers, viewed by the citizenry as “less than swine.” Their social skills extend to knowing “how to kill people and break things.” When al Qaeda takes a city they don’t know how to dispose of sewage, get the water flowing and the lights back on, and they don’t care to try. They use their ample leisure time lying around drunk or drugged, using prostitutes, raping women and boys, and decapitating the locals, including small children, who irritate them. They are “animals,” “wild-eyed with greed.” When they take a rural village they slaughter the livestock before having their depraved way with the citizens. One of them is a valuable informant on an intermittent basis. He is a homosexual and when one of his al Qaeda hook-ups angers him he passes along just enough information to get him killed or captured.}}}}

This is who the liberals want to surrender to^^.

Isn’t that just sick?

We should all want this scourge cleansed from the Earth, to legitimize their depraved actions against humanity, as the Urinal does each and every day, is simply demented.

To whit:

{{{{“The truth is that if Bush keeps all his forces in Iraq until doomsday and until they enter hell, they will only see crisis and defeat by the will of God,”-Urinal}}}}

So was that spoken by Hairy Reed or Zawahri?

You’re not sure, are you?

Well, it turns out it was Zawahri, and tell me, is the Urinal not taking the statements from a cave dwelling scumbag that urges his followers to kill children, and giving weight to them?

I honestly have to ask, since we don’t hang treasonous POS by their necks anymore, would these modern day Benedict Arnold’s have been on Hitler’s side back in WW2?

(Apologies if I disrespected Benedict Arnold in anyway by comparing him to these human trash liberals.)

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Do thee animals in the zoo not have to be caged too, lest they stroll over and eat you?

{{{{Followers of anti-U.S. Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr denounced the U.S. military’s construction of a concrete wall through their Sadr City stronghold in Baghdad. U.S. commanders hope the wall will effectively cut off insurgents’ ability to move freely into the rest of Baghdad and hamper their ability to fire rockets and mortars at the Green Zone, the central Baghdad district where government offices and the U.S. Embassy are located.-Urinal}}}}

Oh, poor Mookie, who are your demented followers going to kill from within the confines of thou new cage?

Other then themselves, that is.

And you can believe they will kill each other, savages all.

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Walking the talk:

{{{{John McCain earned a total of $405,409 last year and donated a quarter of it to charity, according to tax returns that provide only a partial picture of his family’s enormous wealth.-Urinal}}}}

And he’s in favor of tax cuts.

Meanwhile, the platitudinous gas bag grievance mongers, “spokespeople” for the world’s downtrodden, KKKlintoon scrounged for every tax shelter she could get her grubby fingers on, and Obambi, The He of Hope, coughed up a whole 2% of their millions for the poor and needy.

The whole dimokrat party is a LIE, every last bit of it, down to the center of it’s very core.

Don’t you ever wonder why only the uneducated and truly naïve vote for them?

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{{{{PUBLIC EDITOR: Roommate story resonates strongly across racial lines By Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}}

Yeah, it probably does in the shallow, crying jag World Of Victims that you pinkos live in.

{{{{When contacted later, she talked about Alice Brown’s horror upon learning her daughter’s roommate was black.-Urinal}}}}

Oh my! A mother being concerned about her gone away to college daughter’s welfare, now there’s a first for world history.

I mean really, most mothers hook their kids up with toys that look like Beretta 9MM Parabellum Semi Automatic Pistols and tell them to go play in the street and run from the cops if they show up.

Believe me, I’ve thought this next statement through and have no compunctions at all with pointing out the obvious, go turn on the Black Entertainment Television channel right now and tell me if you have no reason to be alarmed about the treatment of college aged women, most people don’t raise their children to be slabs of meat that are casually summoned to the bed by their delightful nicknames of b!tch or hoe.

{{{{Reading Donnelly’s story reminded me of my first college roommate. She was a 23-year-old from Greencastle, Ind., and I was a 17-year-old from Lexington, Ky. Neither of us had spent much time in the houses of people of other races, and we shared very little in common. Our brief association was a mix of curiosity and apprehension that ended with her moving out after a few months, never to be heard from again.-Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}}

And it too reminds me of the story of my roommates in the army, who to this very day I consider to be my brothers, as close as any flesh and blood brothers could have possibly have been. Maybe it was because we didn’t retreat into the World of Victims and Grievance Mongering when we first met, no, we talked about our common life experiences, the road ahead that we would travel together and most of all music, I still have the very same SOS Band album that they turned me on to, an album that I listen to now whenever I want to hear some great music and remember some of the best times of my life.

And as with Michelle Obama and Angela Tuck, I too relate those experiences to my feelings about America, but in my case, I did not find the dark, hateful world that they “found,” I emerged from them to instead consider America to be the greatest and most caring nation in the world, bar none.

We ALL have a responsibility to know what is right and what is wrong, and that knowledge comes from your heart. We can choose to build walls around ourselves and each other or we can cross those imaginary lines to see for yourself what is really on the other side.

It is all up to……you.

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My goodness, what happened to all the pinkos in the Urinal Vent department?

Corn-based ethanol hurts: the ecology, the economy and hungry people world-wide. It’s literally highway robbery!

Be glad you live in the U.S. In the U.K., 1 liter of gas = 1.09 pounds; 1 pound = $1.9726; 1 gallon = 3.79 liters; 1 gallon of gas = $8.149.

This country will rue the day it puts the government between patients and their doctors.

Poverty is not a disease we are born with or catch. It is self-induced by each person who ends up there. It is curable by that same person.—————-Damn!

Anyone who has a wife knows that Hillary Clinton already has someone in line to be blamed for her loss.

Bush is not what’s causing the economic problems. Remember all the promises made by the inept Democratic Congress and Senate two years ago? Also, when analysts preach gloom and doom, people automatically stop spending and investing.

Never mind, I found them, they moved into the Urinal Metro department:

{{{{Delta: Some forces were beyond control, including Sept. 11th attacks-Urinal}}}}

Gee, you reckon?

By Glenn

April 19, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Barack’s taste in power is ultra-instrumentalism. He wants us all to be his tool. The country and everything and everyone and every mode and folkway and action in it, his. The whole kit ‘n’ caboodle, with only his hand waltzing Matilda.

But he’s better than Hillary.

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 8:25 AM | Link to this

Good Morning, Jim. I hope you are doing well this Saturday and sporting your lapel pin or maybe raising your flag even as I type. After all, there’s nothing like symbolism. Like the labels, Democrat or Republican. Of course, they are just that — labels. They have no true meaning, no real value. How could they given the way they are abused and tossed about by politicians these days. What label is your favorite politician sporting today? The one representing the political party with the most power. That seems to be a favored strategy for politicians these days — use the label that gets you the most. Thank you, White County Democratic Party Chair for having the guts, the statesman-like qualities, etc., to come forth and speak the truth regardless of any potential consequences (I’m sure there will be people that will speak poorly of this person for telling the truth). You don’t need to sport a lapel pin for me to recognize you as a good person. No one should have to. Their words and actions — including their human faults — do much more to define a person than any symbol or label.

By Charles

April 19, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

The ‘flip-flopper’ is alive and well in Mr. Obama - John Kerry would be proud! He’ll appease whoever his audience is. I guess he learned well from the Clintons and has now taken Hillary’s coronation away from her. I’m looking forward to watching her meltdown and the fiasco in Denver!

By Voter

April 19, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

I know wooten didn’t write this piece.

By ron

April 19, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

By WFC

April 19, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this

“Patriotism” and love of country do not depend on one’s supporting the current incompetent governnment. If George W. Bush were named George W. Smith, he’d probablly be running a used-car lot in Roswell. He’s “skated” all of his life on his family name and wealth. He’s simply dumb. America deserves better and will get it with McCain, Obama or Clinton.

Jim, there is a big difference between “patriotism” and “chauvinism” (original meaning.)

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

I am just glad to see that everyone is not in agreement with every word uttered by others. That would be the true sign of the end of our nation as we know it. That’s how Hitler came to power — the little discontented sheep listening to the lunatic’s words about being patriotic. Thier grass is so much greener than ours. But wait. That grass belongs to us. We must take back what is ours. For the good of the country. Now click those heels together like good patriots.

By Voter

April 19, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this

Grading Wooten’s ghost writer.

“No stylist left behind” wont let me give it an F-. (or A zero).

The point of the piece is to contrast Obama’s campaign rhetoric with a definition of patriotism. Wooten’s ghost writer only tells us what patriotism is not, with an exhaustive list delivered as deliberately as if he were reciting shrimp varieties. Patriotism remains as vague as the mission of our troops in Iraq.

I’m just getting started.

There are so many syntactical debacles in this piece that I formally object to Cox. This is a professional column? This is what goes into the sunday paper? This writer is an offense to cuneiform, hieroglyphics, emoticons, papyrus, doodling, scribbling, tatoos, and the backs of envelopes.

I’m not finished. In a world of picture menus and “you are here” directions written on toilet paper, this aggregious insult to style, point of view, and tense serves only illiterate scoundrels seeking their refuge in God, guns and patriotism.

God, guns and patriotism. That doesn’t quite work as a replacement slogan for the conservative platform of Guns, Gods, and Gays, which got Bush elected. The new conservatives cant use “gays”, because the american people dont want to persecute gays anymore. (How unpatriotic). Which beings up the point, if Gay is so bad, then show me the bodies. (sorry)

So, if you want a new slogan to complete the hat trick of God, guns, and blank (one syllable), then you have to go to the thesaurus. Lets see, patriotism….allegience, love, spirit, citizenship, loyalty, flag….that’s it! Flag! That’s so close to slang for gay! It’s perfect!

God, guns, and f(l)ags! God, guns, and f(l)ags.

I’m just kidding. LOL! Wooten’s piece definitely made patriotism come alive in my soaring heart, and I only wish the Army were accepting 57 year old recruits, cause i’d be in Basra in a New Delhi second. That’s 4 sure, that’s 4 dang sure.

Patriotism? It’s a spectrum of emotions expressed in an implied civic duty to enforce our constitution, uphold it’s historical traditions, and, as a LAST resort, duel to ensure that it long endures.

By jbmlaw

April 19, 2008 10:00 AM | Link to this

Good morning all, heckuvan argument Mr. Wooten, suspect our less rational leftist friends will be crying all day here. Short version of the argument: leftists buy votes with taxpayer money because that is their definition of patrioric, and Obama is a leftist. And leftists believe nyone who thinks buying votes is wrong is unpatriotic.

By Dusty

April 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Thank you, thank you, Jim Wooten. You have outdone yourself today. A very fine piece indeed. You have made patriotism a respectable word on this blog and for all readers of the AJC. It was a worthwhile goal and YOU have done it.

I could smile and say that I am sending you another flag pin but I won’t. That might make light of your great appreciation for this country. I am too pleased over what you wrote to do anything but sense a glad hurrah for what you feel and what you have written.

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this

Patriotism and the flag are what POLITICAL crooks and their cowardly supporters hide behind when the going gets tough - I call that FAKE patriotism. If George the Bushy Chimp really loved this country, he would not have engaged in aggressive war against a third world country, costing America trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands damaged American lives, and at least one million Arab and Muslim casualties. When I see a super patriot coming, I turn my back for fear I will slap the cowardly scum to a quivering piece of s hi tt. Since most of the Chimp’s war staff was composed of dual citizenship people, I know for a fact that they were all FAKE patriots….Their loyalty was to a foreign power, the only country in the world to benefit from the American invasion and occupation of an arab country….So you can take your f* pins and shove them where the sun doesn’t shine, TRAITORS!

By @@

April 19, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this

As a little girl Jim, I can recall watching the news of the Fall of Saigon. Being a child, whose world was very small, I wasn’t sure whether the chaos of that day was occurring in a town nearby or a world away.

There had already been tears shed in our home because my older sister’s boyfriend had been killed in Vietnam, and as a family, we shared in her grieving.

But the day that we witnessed the desperation of those who were being left behind, was a day my father, a career military man cried.

My world - my sense of security, was shattered that day. My father…my rock, and the extended military family to which we belonged, had suffered a loss of honor - an honor which sustained them, and held them together with strength through purpose.

A personal account from a Vietnam veteran who was there to witness the tragedy, the waste, the loss of honor:

I remember the chaos as the frantic evacuation from Saigon marked a final betrayal to those from South Vietnam that had believed in and worked for the U.S. You could see the fear and terror in their eyes as the realization settled in that we would leave them behind. They had always believed that the U.S. would be there for them. The scenes of them pressing against our embassy gates, hoping beyond hope that they too would be taken to safety, away from the ‘re-education’ camps where many spent years and far too many perished. The TV showing scenes of ARVN choppers crashing into the sea in an attempt to be rescued by U.S. carriers off the coast and scenes of those choppers who were fortunate enough to have actually landed on the decks, without permission, those helicopters being pushed over the side to clear the decks for others inbound, showed just how desperate the situation had become. To ensure an orderly evacuation, U.S. military intervention was required and called for, but this was not to be the case. Despite the fact the NVA invasion was totally in violation of the ‘Peace with honor’ that Nixon and Kissinger had so proudly spoken of…I ask where was our honor at this final hour?

Obama, and his pathetic attempt at defining patriotism becomes a triviality by comparison.

I suppose that Obama would find my opinion of him insolent. Too bad….I care not.

He’s like a car suffering from engine run-on due to gunk in his valves.

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Viet Nam, what a joke: We invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of vietnamese for no good reason. Anyone who invokes vietnam as a justification for the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq is STUPID.

By Dusty

April 19, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

George Washington,

You debase the name you stole for propaganda. But I do congratulate you one ONE thing. You can squeeze more lies into one post than any other liberal who comes here.

Your vacabulary of dirty words exceeds the most talented in the back alleys of criminal ghettos. You have excelled in that which no one wishes to read. You, sir, are the black spot on the great exposition of free speech.

By Dusty

April 19, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

And thanks to you too, @@. Your post of 10:32 was a great story of how patriotism and honor are shown by people who love this country.

By @@

April 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

We invaded and murdered hundreds of thousands of vietnamese for no good reason.

There ^^^ you have it! an American leftists who does, and always will view our brave troops as murderers regardless.

George:

Calling me stupid was a waste of digital dexterity. As with Obama, I care not what you think.

Frustrating isn’t it?

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Bush knows all too well what our nation’s system of checks and balances are intended to do. Why do you think he is working so hard to destroy them with his covert lawyers. Now, be a good patriot. Did Bush learn everything he knows from McCarthy. He probably aced those classes.

By Miller

April 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

None of you got the self-contradiction in Wooten’s piece: that the lady from PA expects us all to accept that she didn’t question Obama’s patriotism by asking if he “believed in the flag”.

That harms the national conscience more than burning the flag does. If you dont know why, and to the extent you dont understand, you are not a patriot.

By Miller

April 19, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

I guess we just got Hamas’s answer to Jimmy Carter’s peace mission to Syria.

Blessed are the Peacemakers, IF they make peace, but if they fail, then they’re unpatriotic fools who deserve only our scorn, and proof that liberals are nothing but a bunch of no-good, yellow, filthy pieces of commie scum. (this was taken word for word from the beatitudes)

By TW

April 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Patriotism is a duty, an action. For the civilians, the height of this duty is in ensuring that the discretion of the commander in chief is sound. When it is not, when the commander in chief puts his own agenda before that of the nation, the true patriot’s will do their duty by sounding an alarm. The faux patriot, FOX patriot, will rail against the true patriot’s efforts. Thus, there has been no greater propaganda soldier for al qaeda than the ‘support the troops’ fuax republicans, i.e. @@, dusty, jbmlaw, etc. etc. Sadly, even ron – whatever happened to watching your fellow soldier’s back, ron? ‘Soldiers’ like you sold their military soul when they put frat boy wealthy politics in front of honor. No American should be more appalled by the mistreatment of our troops than our veterans should.

What’s interesting now is how you people can stand knee deep in American soldier blood, political egg all over your face, and continue to try to point a finger. You have failed. It’s over. You were given the keys to the best ride this planet has ever seen and have nothing but wrap it around a pole. There is nothing worse than a loser who continues to run his and her mouth. Pathetic. Time to go home and sleep it off.

Today’s attempted shot at Obama is little more than the rightwing modeling yet another of the racist gowns they purchased to replace the retired white one.

On the heels of YOUR America’s failure, perhaps it is time for y’all to join the real one. The real America – where ALL men were created equal.

Game over.

By Dusty

April 19, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

Yeah, PartyLine @10:54

Your line Did Bush learn everything he knows from McCarthy can only equal another thought. Did YOU learn everything you know from Osama din Laden? You seem to be teaching the course now.

Adios…see you folks later…maybe…

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

@@, bi t ch slapping right wing but holes is not frustrating, it is quite relaxing. One day, your little world will fall apart…I will be watching and laughing the whole while….America, England, and Israel all have a BIG adjustment to make….but fools like you are making it almost impossible….Don’t look to me to bail you out when the ss hh it hits the fan. Ya want a hint as to the BIG adjustment? The rest of the world no longer needs us, our currency, or our gluttonous lifestyle. Gasoline at four bucks per gallon will soon look like a BARGAIN! The people who have the oil have no reason to take pity on the Americans, the English, or the Israelis…All three countries have been murdering arabs and muslims for decades….Soon, the cry will go up “NO MORE ARAB OIL FOR AMERICA.” Exxon and BP are being kicked out of more coutries everyday…and rightly so.

By deegee

April 19, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

It’s difficult for the 65% of the American people that want to see an end to the American occupation of Iraq to understand the 35% of Americans that lament that we are not occupying Vietnam in addition to Iraq.

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

One sad aspect is that our elected officials still have not learned a thing from past wars. Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War — started but not finished. How any president could think that we can start a war and finish it is beyond me. That just takes a lot of stupidity. I’m glad that Bush did not decide to attack communism. Can you imagine him declaring China one of an axis of evil and attacking them for their atrocities. I wonder if they would still be supplying us with so much of what we consume as we waged war on them. That would be interesting. Now let’s put on our made in China lapel pins and salute our made in China flags and then go blow the crap out of those lousy commies. Wait a minute. The latest pair of Levis that I bought say made in Pakistan. They’ll be made in Iran or whatever country provides the lowest bid to corporate America the next time around. Now there’s true patriotism.

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

Good ole duck and run dusty. She behaves just like a terrorist.

By Miller

April 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this

Wooten himself writes that while he doesn’t question Obama’s patriotism, he doesn’t recognize Obama’s definitions.

That’s the same thing, Yeats. I ask my fellow americans: Define Patriotism.

I’ll begin:

Patriotism involves a conscious, individual effort to conform to the national awareness of what constitutes the implied civic duty as it evolves in the wake of events that provoke our shared national security interests.

I can do better. give me a few hours. Lets have a contest. Who can define patriotism?

First prize is you get your country back. Second prize, a set of steak knives. Third prize, you’re a moron. Now getouttahere

By Jackie

April 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes his piece that is innuendo and obfuscation.

He goes forward with words that have no depth of meaning. He wants those who disagree with his conclusions to prove a negative about Obama and his patriotism, or lack thereof.

Many have quoted the phrase relating to the last outpost of scoundrels. Mr. Wooten and those who believe this canard are not patriotic, yet, many claim to be “conservative.” Benjamin Franklin and a majority of the Founding Fathers wrote extensively about the use of symbols and false patriotism in the support of who has the greater support of the country.

The brilliant concept of the US Constitution was the wording that made the document contemporary. It has meaning and relevance to current times and provides a framework for future governance.

By deegee

April 19, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this

I want someone to define American victory in Iraq. Sadaam Hussein is dead. The Iraqis have their constitution, they have their freely elected representatives, they are going to have elections in October. What’s the end game? When we were rejoicing at the sight of the purple finger of freedom, the Iraqis were signaling to each other, you better know a payback when you see one. What is victory in Iraq, please? When everyone plays nicely in the sandbox?

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Where’s duck and run Dusty. Maybe her real name is Achmed Dusty. How do you spell that, hack, hack. Achmed Dusty, the puppet patriot. Let’s see. Where does Bush insert his hand to control that mouth.

By James

April 19, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Mission Accomplished 4,000 +

By Miller

April 19, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Notice the similarity in Patriotism and the second greatest commandment: To love your neighbor so much as to give your life for his. Very close. But implied in Christ’s sacrificial commandment is that there are no strings attached to that neighbor, simply that you would save a fellow human’s life. Patriotism implies that you would lay down your life for your neighbor only if he would live out your own dream of guns, God, and flag.

See the problem with defining Patriotism? If we elected a Taliban majority congress and an alqueda president, then I doubt i’d be very patriotic, know what I mean , verne?

You’re definition of Patriotism should work no matter who gets elected what.

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

deegee,

You have to ask for the definition of victory in Iraq. What kind of patriot are you anyway. Why, we all know that victory can only be achieved, and we can leave, when all living persons within Iraq’s borders accept democracy, for starters. Don’t tell me that you did not know this. I hope I don’t have to tell you the rest of the definition. You aren’t going to place a timeline on me to provide you with the rest of the definition, are you? Surely you don’t call yourself a patriot. The nerve. Dusty? Oh, Dusty? We’ve got another live one for you to go after. Sic her girl.

By @@

April 19, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this

Oh puhleeeeeeze TW.

where ALL men were created equal.

All men ARE created equal. It’s Obama who fails to acknowledge equality through his soft bigotry of low expectations.

Is it the caucasian in him, the African American in him, or the elitist liberal in him?

I say it’s the elitist liberal that runs through his veins that provokes his racism. The guy is a shill for the left - the left who seeks to divide America through identity politics, so that they can keep segments oppressed for political gain.

George:

What’s frustrating for you, and those like you is that my world will never fall apart, and yours already has. But if claiming that I am a bi-t-ch which you have successfully slapped makes you feel better, then be my guest.

How do I know you live defeated? It can be seen in your postings. You are describing a homeland defeated. You see America in imperialistic terms. I view America as a beacon for freedom as do many of those who seek to come here.

What I’m witnessing are countries shifting to the right after having suffered disappointments brought on by leftist policies.

During the debate in Pennsylvania both candidates were asked how they might utilize George Bush should either of them win the general. I thought….here’s their chance to be gracious….here’s their chance to exhibit something other than partisan politics. What did they do? Arrogantly, they declared no place for him. They failed to acknowledge that countries in Africa view George Bush as a great friend - a supporter of their future prosperity and freedom.

So much for gracious humility. Neither of your candidates can find it within themselves to share something that they don’t have.

When Hillary asks voters to visit her website for details on her plans, she says:

*It has been laid out how I will pay for my programs.

Funny! I thought it was our money. I thought they were programs meant to benefit us.

It’s the little nuances that are telling.

I’m off to the city to help a friend with his landscaping plan. You stay here and fight a battle which you already claim to have won.

By getalife

April 19, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

He got some tough questions for a change and all his responses were just horrible. A complete meltdown, if you will.

Of course, his supporters blamed the media for his failure like the wingnuts do with w.

He stopped whining because Clinton nailed him on it but his supporters are still whining.

Obama has his media, out spent her 5 to 1 and will still lose. His radical, liberal minority of so called “progressives” are the ones dividing the party but they are the minority.

This a remarkable come back for Clinton.

By Miller

April 19, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

The television show Bones has writers who like to tune in to Wooten’s blog, BTW.

I saw Juno, the movie. Every character has a vast repertoire of references they use in their hip-speak. Every. Character. B-.

I saw “before the devil knows you’re dead”. the main character would’nt figure out that the jewel fence would know his own father who’s only been in the jewel biz for fifty years? Please. C-. Also, the drug dealer is going to leave an open safe with big bucks and a years supply of drugs in plain view for all his customers to see? Drug addicted customers who at the slightest withdrawal wont get desperate enough to try to steal it? Please. D-.

I give this movie an A+, however, for a certain female character who steals every second of this movie. Do not miss this. It’s why we fight.

By jm

April 19, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Some more thoughts on patriotism from Samuel Johnson.

By Dr. Drew

April 19, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

Patriotism: the way a woman loves a man in uniform.

By Zev

April 19, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

I think Patriotism is what makes a man laugh as he joins his brothers in a frontal assault on an enemy entrenced and in-force during a battle in a war; that spirit is definitely patriotism.

By Wally

April 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

Patriotism is when a old soldier tears up at a parade, and then yells at a group of hippie scum wearing the flag emblems on their jean jackets.

By Jackie

April 19, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Don’t you just love it when the so-called conservatives pontificate about presentation of facts by the candidates they love to hate, yet, refuse to acknowledge and accept the fact that Dubya and his cohorts have put this country in such dire straits we may never recover.

Patriotism? What a question to debate when this man has openly and arrogantly committed criminal acts in office.

Then, there is the attack on Obama and Clinton because they dare to disagree with and challenge the failed policies of this regime.

Does the supporters of Dubya still believe there are WMD’s or the USA will not attack Iran?

They supported the Iraq invasion and said that we gave them freedom. The Iraqi vote was for a Shiite government consisting of officials who live in Iran for many years, yet, they complain that Iran has too much influence in the country. Where is the logical disconnect?

Secondly, the content the surge has worked and Iraq is a safer place. Did they consider that the USA is paying militia armies to defend neighborhoods against the militias the USA are paying?

By Patriots?

April 19, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

A quick read through the comments on above shows either that a) only extremists take the time to post, which would be really unfortunate since it substantially downgrades our public debate, or b) the last decade of partisan politics has turned us all into a bunch of lunatics. Surely we can do better than this, people.

By Jeff Havel

April 19, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten:

At the risk of sounding unpatriotic yours sounds like a ‘my country right or wrong’ type of patriotism. That is not patriotism but jingoism. Love of country does not mean slavish allegiance to belligerent foreign policy. The young men and women who volunteered to protect our country have the right to expect that their commander in chief not place them in harm’s way based on lies. I guess it was patriotism that spurred on Jim Crow and segregation. I guess it was state side patriotism that resulted in 56,000 lives lost in Vietnam. I wonder which is less patriotic: old men sending young men and women to die for unclear or cynical reasons or those who disdained the veterans after Vietnam. Both make me sick. If that’s your idea of patriotism you are welcome to it.

By marie locke

April 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

I want to comment on the Gena Abraham/Mike Evans story and make sure the editorial staff at the AJC knows their version of it only starting a month ago was a complete fabrication. According to Mr. Evans former girlfriend, Marjorie Avra, this started months ago. maybe even at the time the two of them rode around in a state helicopter handing out big plastic checks for Mr. Evans a month before his election. Jim, they are lyinig!!!! everyone knows it and if that Board keeps her she will never be able to govern the department with respect of the employees or people in the transporation industry. A friend of mine just returned from DC where everyone was laughing!! Georgia is now a laughingstock to the nation due to these two people. They had no intention of revealing it. If so, why did Mike Evans confront one of the board members on Wed. morning yelling it was no one business who he dated? sound like people trying to do the right thing? She holds staff to one level and herself to another. This is a disgrace and they need to clean house!

By marie locke

April 19, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this

I want to comment on the Gena Abraham/Mike Evans story and make sure the editorial staff at the AJC knows their version of it only starting a month ago was a complete fabrication. According to Mr. Evans former girlfriend, Marjorie Avra, this started months ago. maybe even at the time the two of them rode around in a state helicopter handing out big plastic checks for Mr. Evans a month before his election. Jim, they are lyinig!!!! everyone knows it and if that Board keeps her she will never be able to govern the department with respect of the employees or people in the transporation industry. A friend of mine just returned from DC where everyone was laughing!! Georgia is now a laughingstock to the nation due to these two people. They had no intention of revealing it. If so, why did Mike Evans confront one of the board members on Wed. morning yelling it was no one business who he dated? sound like people trying to do the right thing? She holds staff to one level and herself to another. This is a disgrace and they need to clean house!

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

This answers a few questions I had:

{{{{NEW YORK - A CNN reporter was arrested Friday in Central Park with a small amount of methamphetamine in his pocket. Richard Quest, 46, was arrested around 3:40 a.m. on a count of possession of a controlled substance — a misdemeanor that usually refers to a personal use amount of a drug.}}}}

So it is true that you have to be on drugs to admire the KKKlintons.

Take another hit, you morons.

By Craig

April 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Link to this

Jim I grew up in rural southern Iowa, where God and guns are just as important as they are in Georgia. The difference is that symbols are not so important. For example, you won’t see any county bridges in Iowa named after some lame brain politician.

A 59 cent flag pin is just a symbol. It’s not important. What is important, and patriotic, is doing what is right for America. For example, Senator McCain refuses to support the new GI bill. That would seem unpatriotic to me. But no, in your eyes, and the eyes of the counselor and the ever gullible Dusty, his actions don’t matter. What’s important is whether or not he’s wearing a pin, a symbol.

It amazes me that you and your fellow righties can’t see how you have so devalued the concept of patriotism. Heck, Dusty even thinks it’s unpatriotic just to disagree with her Dear Leader. Patriotism now is political support for one party over another, or a flag pin, or how you stand when you say the Pledge of Allegience, or some other irrelevant idea.

How sad that righties are so willing to even devalue a concept like patriotism, just to win a political battle.

Jeff Havel is correct.

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

That’s right, Traitors, wrap your ugly buts in the FLAG, and expect the rest of us to salute it…NOT ME. I will gladly shred that rag to get at your treasonous ASSets.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2008 1:54 PM | Link to this

AJC-M,

I’d hate for that story to go unread so I’ll link to a portion of it.

CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said.

His lawyer says he was just walking back to his hotel.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

What is it with these “news” people?

Apex Police Capt. Ann Stephens said a neighbor saw a man matching Watson’s description Thursday afternoon on top of an air-conditioning unit peeping into the bathroom of a female neighbor.

No word on whether his lawyer said he was just walking home by jumping from air conditioner to air conditioner.

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this

Good, RW you scum bag, I am happy to see a Clinton News Network pervert arrested and going to prison….Ah hopes he takes the entire worthless network with him, and the Fake News Network too…..and the Atlanta Urinal Consitpation and Jimmy Woodenhead, if only Jimmy had a BRAIN…

By deegee

April 19, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

In September of 2001 my next door neighbor placed a plastic sign in his front yard. It’s an American flag with God Bless America written on it. It’s still in the same spot, with weeds growing up around it and covered with a thin film of algae. I have never suggested to him that it might be time to remove it. That’s the kind of patriot that I am, thank you very much.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Here’s some good news for you.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Karl Rove puts the hammer down on MSNBC

Any bets on when we’ll see a response from Abrams?

By Jeff Havel

April 19, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

Good lord what a bunch of vitriolic misdirection. YAWN

By BuckheadBill

April 19, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

I’m confused. Did cnn’s ms. quest have a bell attached to the rope. Help me folks, I’m trying to understand the left. I’m really not sure about cnn’s founder either!

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this

Here is your future Neocons Scum, just add zero’s to the gas price until you find the number that will make an Alabam Field hand….

“Gas prices box in an Alabama community Cars have connected Wilcox County with the wider world, and with jobs. But now the drive doesn’t pay off. By Richard Fausset Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

April 18, 2008

COY, ALA. — The modest Japanese sedan made its way down the gravel drive between the cow pasture and the dirt basketball court, kicking up a cloud of dust before coming to rest beside Roy Saulsberry Jr.’s ancient gas pumps.

A passenger stepped out, clutching an old antifreeze jug. Outside Roy’s Grocery & Package store, the regulars were hemming and hawing on a wooden bench, under the spell of the afternoon’s slow rhythm.

Norman Finklea filled his jug just past a gallon, letting the analog meter come to rest at $3.88. Then he walked into Roy’s with his four crumpled bills and a litany of anxieties, which were rising with the price of gas.

He didn’t need to tell them to Saulsberry. As the proprietor of this little country store in one of the poorest counties in Alabama, Saulsberry has already heard them all. It doesn’t matter what kind of cars pull up to pumps these days — stretchy old hooptie sedans, scuffed econo-boxes, king-cab pickups — anxiety is their common cargo.

With the high price of gas, Saulsberry said, “people just can’t go as much.”

Finklea, a freelance construction worker, had paid a friend $5 to pick him up at his house a few miles down the road and drive him here. His own car was back at home with its pin on empty, he said. He needed it to drive to work in the morning.

Finklea said high gas prices were the reason he paid only half his light bill last month, the reason he and his wife were trying to get by with less food, the reason he is turning down jobs that are more than 30 miles away.

Those jobs, he said, are not worth driving to anymore.

Cheap gas, and cars to put it in, have long given Americans the freedom to roam. For the people of Coy — a largely African American community of about 900, two hours southwest of Montgomery — that freedom has been particularly vital, delivering them out of rural isolation and into decent, if far-flung, employment.

A generation ago, black laborers sharecropped cotton on white-owned land here. Others worked in nearby sawmills. By the 1960s, the mills were thriving, but small-scale farming was fading away, and the civil rights era had opened new job possibilities.

Those jobs, however, tended to be spread around the state. The people of Coy gassed up their cars and drove to them. They drove 13 miles on the two-lane highway to Camden,the county seat, or they ventured farther afield, to the bigger cities of Selma and Montgomery. They took manufacturing jobs and teaching jobs, handyman gigs and government desk work.

Today, gas money and a functioning car are still vital for workers who wish to leave this stretch of pastureland, low-slung houses and tumbledown trailers. The only public transportation is a regional van service that mostly shuttles the elderly to doctor’s appointments. There are only a few local farmhand jobs.

Though drivers across the nation are smarting from the rising price of gas, it is taking a particularly harsh toll here in Wilcox County, where the median household income is $17,500. A recent report by the Oil Price Information Service estimated that residents spend more than 13% of their monthly income on gas — the highest ratio in the nation. (The study, which also took into account local gas prices and commuting statistics, found that the average Los Angeles County household spends 3.9% of its monthly income on gas.)

Roy’s Grocery has long served as a sort of home base for commuters: a place to buy a few gallons, get a six-pack of beer, catch up with friends. But the price of gas — which was $3.51 per gallon at Roy’s earlier this month — has changed some things. Clarence Perryman, a retired construction worker, has been a fixture for years at the store, watching his neighbors come and go.

“They used to pull up and say, ‘Fill it up,’ ” he said. “Not anymore.”

It was an argument over gas money that prompted Saulsberry to build the grocery in the first place, in the mid-1990s. A clerk at a now-defunct Coy convenience store had accused him of failing to pay for a fill-up. She was a white woman. He suspected it was a racial thing.

At the time, there were two stores in town — both with white owners. Saulsberry recalled telling his father, Roy Saulsberry Sr.: “If I ever get able, I will put up a store here in Coy. I don’t care if I ever make money off it.”

Soon after, the two men, who are partners in a contracting business, began constructing a utilitarian cinder-block building with a metal roof. Today, the outside is painted a creamy tapioca. Inside are a few shelves of snack foods, a refrigerator with beer and soda, and candy and cigarettes behind a long counter.

Behind the register, a clerk can watch through a little window covered in burglar bars as customers pull up to the old silver-and-white pumps. On the other side of the building, the Saulsberrys have set up a spartan pool hall, with three billiard tables and a boombox.

Father and son wanted it to be not just a store but an informal community center. But to make it work, the younger Saulsberry figured, it was crucial to sell gas. It was the product people needed most. It was the lure that would tempt them to stop, and perhaps linger.

It took Saulsberry six months to find someone who would bring a little gas out this far — a distributor from Mobile, 125 miles away. She eventually insisted that he order a minimum of 4,000 gallons a month, which was much more than he needed. These days, he hauls the gas himself from a neighboring county, making the trip in a 1-ton truck with a tank in the back. He brings back about 300 gallons twice a week.

Saulsberry, 45, is a compact man, laconic and soft-spoken, with tired eyes set in a genial face. He has one foot in the 21st century, with a cellphone holster glued to his hip and a teenage son who will travel to Europe to study this summer.

But the Old South is alive in his world, too. He is the grandson of sharecroppers; a funeral program for his late mother hanging above the store counter notes that her father’s nickname was “Sambo.” The lowing of cows in the adjacent pasture occasionally penetrates the store’s interior, where pickled pigs’ lips in pale pink brine await hungry customers.

Saulsberry has been trying for years to transform Coy from a place that people have to leave into a place that gives them a reason to stay. He helped found the little volunteer fire department and ran unsuccessfully for a county commission seat in the late 1980s. These days, he’s trying to find a $1,500 grant to pave the dirt basketball court next to the store.

He’d be happiest if Coy could attract a decent-size manufacturing plant, so people wouldn’t have to travel so far to work. Until it does, he figures he will keep hauling the gas from Thomasville, as a kind of public service.

His gas is more expensive than the gas over in Camden. Saulsberry says he has to pay a higher wholesale price because he doesn’t buy much; he also buys premium gas, though he doesn’t advertise that to his customers. “I just tell ‘em I got good gas,” he said. “Cheaper isn’t always better.”

He pockets about 10 cents a gallon — just enough to pay the store’s light bill.

The store’s faded wooden sign still bears the hand-painted price for a gallon of unleaded from some distant time: $1.23 9/10. A cousin usually opens the place in late morning. Most customers come in the evening, after their shifts, buying their gas with cash, and a gallon or two at a time.

Sam Knight, 61, pulled up in a blue van and pumped $8 worth. Knight had a heart attack last year; since then, he said, he has missed cardiologist appointments because he can’t afford to drive the 100 miles to Selma and back.

Spencer Byrd Jr., 47, tries to buy his gas at the stores in Camden, where it’s cheaper, but he visits Roy’s from time to time. He said he used to run a lawn-care service to supplement his job as a maintenance man at the post office. But gas prices forced him to shut down the lawn business last fall.

William Coleman, 53, has been driving the 30 miles to and from his plywood mill job for 17 years. To save on gas, he has recently taken to sleeping in the boiler room between 12-hour shifts. Coleman usually stays overnight twice a week, leaving his wife to deal with the two grandchildren they are raising.

“My biggest problem,” he said, “is gas.”

As the sun went down on a recent Wednesday, the regulars monopolized the wooden bench, gossiping and talking politics. Perryman, the retiree, thumbed through the local paper, with its back page used-car ad that screamed “GAS SAVERS.” Neighbors ambled across the basketball court in twos and threes, looking for a snack. A man pulled up and filled the tank of an old motorbike that was missing its gas cap. A woman drove up and filled half of a pickle jar.

Jamison Jones, 26, said he has been looking for a construction job since being laid off six months ago. The good jobs, he said, are in Montgomery and Mobile. Even if he got one of those jobs, he’d have to find someone to carpool with — someone with the same job, the same shift, “same everything,” he said.

Of course, Jones could just move, like others who have left Wilcox County to be closer to good jobs. Francis B. Dobson Jr., assistant director of the Alabama-Tombigbee Regional Commission, a local planning agency, said those people may benefit from a short commute, but they make their struggling home county that much poorer.

“When the best and the brightest leave your county,” he said, “what have you got left?”

Finklea, the man with the full jug of gasoline, doesn’t plan on moving. He grew up around here, and this summer he will pay off the mortgage on his double-wide trailer. If the price of gas becomes intolerable, he said, he will find a way to survive in Coy.

“I guess I’ll get on food stamps,” he said. “And kill me a couple of deers and rabbits.”

Finklea jumped in the waiting sedan, which soon disappeared up the road.

Saulsberry wandered outside of his store to the thrum of crickets and waited for the next customer to come rolling up the drive.”

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

Ah saw Hamburger Hill last night on the tube: I laughed my way thru it, expecially when pretty boy staggered down the hill, with his brains coming out the top of his head….ha ha ha, war is such a joke…I pictured pretty boy as Dusty’s long tall son…laughed even harder…too bad there was not a role for Dusty…

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Ah saw Hamburger Hill last night on the tube: I laughed my way thru it, expecially when pretty boy staggered down the hill, with his brains coming out the top of his head….ha ha ha, war is such a joke…I pictured pretty boy as Dusty’s long tall son…laughed even harder…too bad there was not a role for Dusty…

By Morningstar

April 19, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

By PartyLine April 19, 2008 11:14 AM | The latest pair of Levis that I bought say made in Pakistan. They’ll be made in Iran or whatever country provides the lowest bid to corporate America the next time around. Now there’s true patriotism.

Morningstar arises late in the afternoon again. Partyline, you have hit the nail on the head. Some nut the other day, I don’t remember which one there are so many, said as “Long as we keep buying products from Wal-Mart” or something along those lines. Think again and look at the labels on items you purchase at J C Penneys and other large retailers.

By deegee April 19, 2008 11:53 AM want someone to define American victory in Iraq. Sadaam Hussein is dead. The Iraqis have their constitution, they have their freely elected representatives, they are going to have elections in October. What’s the end game?

GOOD luck getting that definition. I thought VICTORY was proclaimed when W had his little photo shoot…oh well….why go there again?

By @@ April 19, 2008 12:18 PM The guy is a shill for the left - the left who seeks to divide America through identity politics, so that they can keep segments oppressed for political gain.

Whee!!! I believe this is a question that needs to be directed to “I’m a Uniter, Not A Divider.”

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{By George Washington April 19, 2008 3:39 PM Here is your future Neocons Scum, just add zero’s to the gas price until you find the number that will make an Alabam Field hand….}}}}

You environmental terrorist liberals are the ones that won’t let us drill for our own oil, jerk-off.

You did bring up a good point in the world’s longest made up whine at 3:39, whatever idea a pinko has is sure to mean millions more dead children and the underclass poor being ravaged.

Anyone with half of a brain knows who’s stopping nuclear energy, who’s stopping new gasoline refineries, who’s the ones whining and moaning about “global warming” as the temperatures plummet, and which dimwits mourn over a herd of Caribou that has quadrupled in size since the Alaskan Oil Pipeline has been around to keep them warm.

Stupidity reigns supreme in the dimokrat party, and the poor pay the price for it.

POS.

By Morningstar

April 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

By deegee April 19, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this In September of 2001 my next door neighbor placed a plastic sign in his front yard. It’s an American flag with God Bless America written on it.

Your neighbor has left the sign in place, indication of a true patriot. So what if a few weeds grow around it; some of us are neat yard people and others aren’t. On that note, we placed a John Kerry for President sign in our yard before the last election. One of the neighbors, whom we thought was a friend, had a Bush sign in his yard. I know you will not be surprised to know he never spoke to us again, unless we practically ran over him in the grocery store or somewhere. I suppose some would call him a true patriot. I call him an idiot.

By bombast

April 19, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this

Obama is a two trick pony. (1) He wants to make white people think that if they vote for him they can unburden and cleanse themselves of all that racist “guilt” that the media and society has made them believe they must have and (2) if he is critisized, then it instantly labeled as being racially motivated.

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: I know you used to love it when the pinko media did this kind of crap to a wingnut candidate, so do tell us, how does it feel to have these maggots turning on Bruno?

{{{{NYT SUNDAY: CLINTON CASH CRUNCH; DONORS MAXED OUT, TIRED..}}}}

Bwa.

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Got Euros?

{{{{European industry has managed to live with the high euro so far, but the damage of major currency shifts can take years to surface. “The moment will come where the exchange rate level will start to cause serious harm to the European economy,” said Mr Juncker.}}}}

Welcome to the jungle.

~~~~~

Good news from Iraq that you’ll never see in the Urinal:

{{{{Iraqi Army soldiers conducted a combined medical assessment in the southern portion of the Sadr City district of Baghdad April 17.}}}}

{{{{For the assessment, Iraqi Security Forces provided military and civilian doctors to ensure visitors received medical supplies and were not in need of immediate or critical medical care. Citizens ranging from the very young to the elderly received medical attention at the station.}}}}

{{{{Dealing directly with the ISF, the Iraqi people living in Sadr City witnessed the ability of Iraqi Forces to care for them. More than 400 citizens received medical care in less than two hours, making the event a successful one.}}}}

Boy, ole Mookie is sure kicking that as-s, ain’t he?

By brillo

April 19, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Hello. There is a contest to see who can define patriotism, morons. First prize is you get to vote. Second prize is a set of rusty bolo knives. Third prize is a flag lapel pin.

Format requirements: The definition must be in the form of an obnoxious bumper sticker cliche like this….

….Patriotism is: flying the flag on flag day, and taking down the names of neighbors who pass by without genuflecting, saluting, or reciting the entire pledge of allegience, the gettysburg address, AND at least two of the many quotes that have survived our revolution of 1776.

By kay

April 19, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Patriotism is never having to say you’re Sunni.

By Morningstar

April 19, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

By AJC Management April 19, 2008 4:11 PM whining and moaning about “global warming” as the temperatures plummet, and which dimwits mourn over a herd of Caribou that has quadrupled in size since the Alaskan Oil Pipeline has been around to keep them warm.

Mgt., what percentage goes Japan? I seem to forget…..

By Joe

April 19, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

Patriotism means never having to say you’re Wahhabi.

By Jim

April 19, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this

A long, roundabout way of saying that patriotism means you’re for staying Iraq no matter what.

By Moe

April 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Patriotism means never having to wear a sari.

By PartyLine

April 19, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

Patriotism is knowing you’ll get a salute from your elected officials every time you bend over.

Who’s got your rear?

By Moe

April 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Spreadout!

Patriotism is loving the stooges more than the supreme court.

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

{{{{Europeans did “vote for their own best interests” – i.e., cradle-to-grave welfare, 35-hour workweeks, six weeks of paid vacation, etc. – and as a result they now face a perfect storm of unsustainable entitlements, economic stagnation and declining human capital that’s left them so demographically beholden to unassimilable levels of immigration that they’re being remorselessly Islamized with every passing day. We should thank God (forgive the expression) that America’s loser gun nuts don’t share the same sophisticated rational calculation of “their best interests” as do Thomas Frank, Obama, too many Democrats and the European political establishment.}}}}

{{{{As for “gun-totin’,” large numbers of Americans tote guns because they’re assertive, self-reliant citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. The Second Amendment is philosophically consistent with the First Amendment, for which I’ve become more grateful since the Canadian Islamic Congress decided to sue me for “hate speech” up north. Both amendments embody the American view that liberty is not the gift of the state, and its defense cannot be outsourced exclusively to the government.-Mark Steyn}}}}

By GaLiberal

April 19, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

Moron Jim says: This is not patriotism — or at least any form of it I recognize.

Of course not Moron Jim. You and the Rethuglicon bootlickers believe patriotism is following blindly the leader no matter the consequences. You and the Rethuglicon bootlickers believe patriotism is wrapping yourself in the flag and calling anyone that dares disagree terrorist-lovers or communists or other names.You and the Rethuglicon bootlickers believe patriotism is flying a big flag from your house or business, standing with hat removed and hand over heart while the national anthem (a British drinking song) is played and looking down your nose at anyone who doesn’t follow along. You and the Rethuglicon bootlickers are no better than Adolph Hitler and the Brown Shirts/Gestapo or Joseph Stalin and the KGB. Patriotism is burring the flag as a protest of government policies and decisions. Patriotism is a solider refusing to fight in a reckless and unnecessary war. Patriotism is speaking out. Patriotism is voting Democrat. I’ll be a patriot come November.

When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Moron Jim’s phony patriotism is living proof.

By AmVet

April 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

patriot - 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

Given the shockingly low percentage of phony conservatives/faketriots here who have actually done the defending part, I guess two out of three ain’t bad…

By Larry

April 19, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

Two out of three? but sir, there were six stooges.

By Mike

April 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

I would like to congratulate the liberals on this board for their fine debating skills.

We’ve got all of the old liberal debating favorites: name calling, comparing conservatives to Nazis, and stupid puns. AmVet adds to the usual litany of liberal hate speech by declaring that any who have not served in the military are not as patriotic as he.

Kudos to the left! You guys are the real heroes!

By mike

April 19, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

AmVet -

Just to be clear, you are saying that only those who have served in the military can be patriotic?

Or are saying that only those who have served in the military OR share your narrow partisan views can be patriotic?

By George Washington

April 19, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this

Patriotism is never having to eat that crap that passes for food at passover…

By Larry

April 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Wooten thinks Patriotism is a tingly feeling, that it involves looking in mirrors and son’s and daughter’s honor.

Wooten’s best definition: Patriotism is a motivating sense of duty concerning national security, honor, and sacrifice.. Now he didn’t actually write that, but he came close enough to give him credit for it.

By AJC Management

April 19, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this

Even National Pinko Radio knows the real deal:

{{{{An edited version of tonight’s Intelligence Squared US debate will be heard locally, on WNYC, a wonderful NPR member station, AM 820, on Sunday, April 27th at 8 p.m. Those debates are heard on more than 150 NPR stations across the country, please check your NPR member station listings for the debates and times of broadcasts out of New York City. After the debate, 73 percent of you said you agreed with the motion, that Islam is dominated by radicals. 23 percent were against, and 4 percent remain undecided. So congratulations to the [APPLAUSE] team for… UA big swing. Copies of books by the way by our panelists are on sale upstairs in the lobby, and you can also purchase DVD’s from previous debates here tonight. Thank you very much.}}}}

An audience full of pompous gasbags couldn’t even “debate” away the basic truth.

By Houckster

April 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Link to this

It is clear from Mr. Wooten’s comments that he has a bit of trouble comprehending a more enlightened and broader view of patriotism. Our country is based on the premise that all of us have value. Much of our history is directly connected to exploring what this really means.

When Senator Obama and Senator Clinton speak out against the war in Iraq, they are being patriotic because they don’t see that the lives of American service personnel being exposed to grievous risk for a sufficient reason. Stopping such waste is a fundamental aspect of true patriotism because there is an implicit moral imperative here for the president and that is that it is an abuse of power to risk our military unless there is a clear and demonstrable threat to our country.

And was it patriotic of Mr. Bush to lie to the country by using discredited national security estimates to convince American that invading Iraq was necessary? How easily the conservative forgets!

And where is the linkage between speaking out against an ill-advised war and dishonoring our soldiers? Again Mr. Wooten really needs to sit down and think this out because it is clear that he hasn’t done so yet. It seems to me that he equates winning with honor and that is not the case. We’re nowhere close to achieving the goals that were set out when this war began. General Petraeus has said as much because the “champagne bottle has been moved to the back of the refrigerator.” I see no honor in continuing to fight a war that probably isn’t winnable. Like Vietnam, Iraq is a quicksand.

But Mr. Wooten’s misunderstanding go on and on. He finds it offensive to think that patriotism is a commodity. Well, everything is a commodity. Just because we want to think of patriotism in higher terms doesn’t make it less so nor does it make it any less important or valuable. Patriotism is a fundamental part of the American’s character and should be. And as with anything important important, it is necessary to understand it in a variety of ways. Patriotism is not one-dimensional: that is to fight wars and win.

And patriotism is not taking someone’s statements and actions out of context or distorting them. Mr. Wooten tries to imply that Sen. Obama has known about his pastor’s more inflammatory beliefs for 20 years and that isn’t true. Senator Obama stated explicitly that he was not aware of Rev. Wright’s comments until they were discussed a few weeks ago. And his comments about Mr. Ayers are equally misthought. Mr. Ayers may have done some things in the past that are reprehensible but they were forty years ago. Meanwhile, Mr. Wooten doesn’t mention Mr. McCain’s ties with some prominent members of the Hard Right who are on record as having not always “walked in the light.”

Mr. Wooten’s comments represent a tortured logic that most people will see through if they take just a moment to really listen to him.

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 8:14 AM | Link to this

Ahhh, yes, the goony anti American, pro terrorist propaganda outlet, the Atlanta Urinal:

{{{{Iran’s ambassador to Iraq on Saturday denounced U.S. military operations in Baghdad’s Shiite Sadr City district, saying they had led to the deaths of innocent people. Police and hospital officials reported 12 people died and 71 were injured in overnight clashes.-Urinal}}}}

Just imagine this headline, if you will:

Germany’s ambassador to France denounced US military operations along the English Channel coast, saying that innocent Jewish people were being killed.-Urinal

I honestly don’t understand why we do not hang these “news” paper “reporters” by their scrawny little necks.

Is this type of propaganda not the clearest definition of providing aid and comfort to the enemy?

Unless, of course, you don’t consider the murderous, terror supporting regime in Iran the “enemy.”

Maybe that’s it, we can expatriate these scumbags at the Urinal to their beloved homeland of Iran.

~~~~~

One day the Iraq Security Forces are surrendering en masse, the next day they are marauding through the peaceful enclaves of the terrorists:

{{{{Anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr gave a “final warning” to the government Saturday to halt a U.S.-Iraqi crackdown against his followers or he would declare “open war until liberation.”}}}}

Uh, what do you think we want, Mookie?

Bring it on so that we can get this Mission Accomplished.

And here is exactly the reason these terrorists need to be killed:

{{{{Underscoring the danger, gunmen on Sunday ambushed three minibuses carrying university students near Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad, and kidnapped their drivers, police said.}}}}

So brave, so deserving of love from the shameless POS pinko media Urinal filth, shooting innocent students just trying to make their lives better.

~~~~~~

They need a “pulley” to see that the lake is draining down?

{{{{More than a year before Georgia’s historic drought demanded the Atlanta area’s attention, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers accidentally released about 22 billion gallons of water downstream from Lake Lanier in 2006, while trying to save taxpayers $138. That’s the cost of a simple metal pulley the Corps decided not to replace when workers thought they fixed a gauge that measures the water level at Lanier, the Atlanta area’s main source of drinking water.-Urinal}}}}

Maybe we got the wrong people watching it for us, no?

The Urinal may find a “pulley” to be a sufficient explanation for all of the dead landscapes, unemployed landscapers and bankrupt garden centers, but I say we get someone out there watching our drinking water supply that has a brain and some spine.

My goodness, we’re not talking rocket science here, mark the side of a bridge or a pole in the water that you can easily see, and try to stay awake while you’re on the clock.

WTF?

And while we are at it, let’s add a new job requirement, whenever some environmental terrorist sissy shows up and demands that you drain the lake for some freako green weenie theory of their’s, the man on the job should scream at them or pull a gun, or better yet, stomp their panty waist as-ses into the ground.

It’ll be like killing two birds with one stone.

~~~~~

So who do you think will get the house from this impending divorce?:

{{{{Style: GREEN WEDDINGS-Urinal}}}}

What should be the most important day of her life, here she is moping about the “environment.”

Does our boy need any more clues than that?

~~~~~

Instead of doing the right thing as a nation and as a free people, and trust me, as much as these libs whine, we are all free people, doing the right thing by freeing those enslaved this very day by radical extremist Islam, the pinkos would rather dwell on a abomination that was committed hundreds of years ago:

{{{{After slavery, servitude- AJC readers confront a little-known Southern era-Urinal}}}}

Rebuild those walls, Urinal, let’s rub some salt on the wound, retreat into our own little corners, draw your imaginary lines on the ground, if it makes you feel like you are doing something.

Remember how you told us to get over the 9/11 attacks?

Even though we haven’t quite “fixed” that problem yet, like we have equal rights?

~~~~~

{{{{“N****, if you want that car, you better get it the hell out of here.”-Queen Pinko, Urinal}}}}

Must we?

{{{{Yet my father rarely showed anger or frustration over the social and institutional bigotry that could easily have cast a pall over his life. He went to college, got married and reared four children. He encouraged us to work hard, to worship God, to respect authority. Every now and then, I caught a glimpse of his frustrations, but little more. He didn’t want his children to grow up embittered.-Queen Pinko}}}}

But yet they did anyway, well at least the one we all must endure.

I thought this Obama guy was a “uniter?”

{{{{In that respect, perhaps, my father and uncle differed greatly from Barack Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose anger —- indeed, bitterness —- about his country’s social and political history have clearly distorted his views. But they are all black men who have shown a deep love for their country, a love that has often been unrequited.-Queen Pinko}}}}

What’s up with the dimokrat party strategy of throwing your parents under the bus?

Will you Power Hungry Ones find no bottom in your Quest to become Grand All Knowing Rulers and lord over We the People.

If it is in fact true that Mother Lib’s father put his grievances behind him and strove to make his life better despite them, then he undertook the challenges that ALL OF US FACE whether black, white, blue or green.

We have a choice; splay yourself on the ground and vibrate over the “outrage” of it all, or pick yourself up and make the best of a bad situation.

Reverend Wright, for instance, managed to find a successful career and incorporated his whining, moaning and hate into the very core of it, now he lives in a Mansion in a Gated Community, swamped in millions of his churches tithing dollars.

Cynthia Tucker, Whiner Extraordinaire, never a grievance that she won’t try on to see if it fits, what did it provide her with, a Midtown Loft and a couple hundred grand a year?

And here they are, nestled in the very best that America has to offer, imparting their perverted “wisdom” on the common people telling them they have no hope in this horrible, hate filled land where they should consider themselves lucky not to be lynched.

What a total crock, false prophet, lying little goony party operative.

And no shame what so ever in diminishing the hard work and sacrifices made by her father, lumping him in with those that preach against and denounce the same ethics that made his life so successful.

Honor thy father?

By Bob from Canton

April 20, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Wow, this blog has some very extreme views alright. What I wonder is why Cynthia Tucker doesn’t have comments posted under her editorial? Is she afraid of someone posting something she doesn’t agree with? Typical libs, don’t say anything bad about their person(s) that is/are running. But if John McCain had belonged to a club that didn’t admit blacks or women, then we would have to discard his candidacy like a hot rock, even if it were 20 years ago!

By More

April 20, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

AJC Management April 20, 2008 8:14 AM | Will you Power Hungry Ones find no bottom in your Quest to become Grand All Knowing Rulers and lord over We the People.

Now let’s get rid of Bush and his power hungry mongrel following now. Vote against these so-called republicans.

By hillbilly ragger

April 20, 2008 8:29 AM | Link to this

So when a pastor who has performed more good works for his fellow American citizens than your tiny mind could even dream of, who served in the Marines, this makes him somehow guilty of “20 years the virulent anti-Americanism”?

And when the vast majority of American citizens see the sinkhole of Iraq for what it is and want to bring our disastrous occupation of that land to an end, we’re damning servicemen and women to to being unable to “look themselves in the mirror for the rest of their lives”?

You know this is BS, Jim. Actually, this is beyond lying, this is, if such a thing is possible, beneath you.

By Less

April 20, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

AJC Management April 20, 2008 8:14 AM |Cynthia Tucker, Whiner Extraordinaire, never a grievance that she won’t try on to see if it fits, what did it provide her with, a Midtown Loft and a couple hundred grand a year?

Now what in the world are you talking about Bob from Canton. As you can clearly see, the post from AJC Management is extremely critical of Cynthia Tucker. AJC Management even goes so far as to make snide remarks are capitalism (paying her several hundred thousand) and freedom of speech. What more could you expect from AJC Management, Bob from Canton.

By Less

April 20, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

AJC Management April 20, 2008 8:14 AM |Cynthia Tucker, Whiner Extraordinaire, never a grievance that she won’t try on to see if it fits, what did it provide her with, a Midtown Loft and a couple hundred grand a year?

Now what in the world are you talking about Bob from Canton. As you can clearly see, the post from AJC Management is extremely critical of Cynthia Tucker. AJC Management even goes so far as to make snide remarks about capitalism (paying her several hundred thousand) and freedom of speech. What more could you expect from AJC Management, Bob from Canton.

By Craig

April 20, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this

Good grief, Bob from Canton. The press loves St John. He confuses Sunni and Shia, and the press doesn’t even blink an eye, even though Iraq is his signature issue. Obama sneezes wrong, and Wooten and his ilk bleat about how he hates America.

By hillbilly ragger

April 20, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Bob from Canton, Cynthia doesn’t have a comments section because if she did, it’d be all “Ngger” this and “Ngger” that, 24/7, from the knuckle-dragging, cheeto-scarfing, white morons who trolls these here Intertoobz.

If you’re going to b!tch about a lack of comments sections, why don’t you ask your heros at Wankerline, or Teh Korner why they don’t allow dirty libruls to comment there?

By Pam

April 20, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

RE: WOOTEN & HIS FLAG PIN MENTALITY: If conservatives like you had not first attacked Sen. Obama on this non-issue, he would not have to put up with idiotic questions about it. If he doesn’t respond (and how could he not, being on national TV and all), he’s being elitist. Whatever he says, he’s wrong for another set of reasons. Why he put up with his pastor, I dunno. Bothers me, too, and I voted for him. But as for Professor Ayers, who paid for his crimes and turned his life around, I am not sure (other than talking points that make the Senator sound scarily radical to whites) why you even questioning his association? Are we to shun people for the mistakes of their youth long after they have paid for them, long after they have become upstanding, law-abiding, tax-paying rock-of-the-community citizens? Then why, for goodness sake, is George W. Bush in the White House? Oh, that’s right, he never actually admitted he went AWOL, snorted cocaine or, well, you get my drift. Enough of the Republican talking points. How about some serious journalism on the issues, on what each candidate proposes about the problems facing our country, a little more depth than 5 second headlines and on to the day’s gossip.

By jbmlaw

April 20, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this

Dear Pam @ 8:58, “Are we to shun people for the mistakes of their youth long after they have paid for them, long after they have become upstanding, law-abiding, tax-paying rock-of-the-community citizens?” Yes. People who attempt to bomb American institutions have no legitimate role in advising future presidents, or alternatively rational people have no business voting for one who associates with mad bombers, even if they are professors. I realize that is the leftist template to future success, but normal people are repulsed.

By Craig

April 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this

Amen Pam. The real tragic thing about this is that Jim Wooten and others, because of their skills as writers, have tremendous opportunities. They can examine the great issues of our day, and lead the debate about things like Iraq, and the recession, and the environment, and education. Instead, they choose to obsess over a flag pin.

What a waste of time and resources.

By Ray

April 20, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

Despite all of the name calling, political polarization, Bush and Obama hate speech, the elephants are still in the living room. We still have dependence on Arab oil that is the lifeline of this and other industrialized countries, an immigrant problems that rivals all of the rest, a tax code that is a disgrace and millions without health care. These problems don’t get solved by calling people names and aligning yourself with the “political candidate of the day”. I would vote for Donald Duck, just because he is a duck, if he could solve these problems and get our future on track. Wake up America. The sky is falling.

By Todd

April 20, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

Their campaign’s been marked by sharp disagreements over his comments claiming that small-town Pennsylvanians cling to religion and guns out of bitterness over their economic anxiety, as well as inflammatory sermons by Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

They’ve also offered dueling photo opportunities, with Obama bowling on camera, and Clinton downing a shot of whiskey and a beer.

Many voters dismissed such efforts as silly or superficial - or said they had the opposite effect than the campaigns intended.

Most saw clips of Obama bowling, for example, and several noted that he was bad at it.

“I saw the gutter ball. Why make an idiot of yourself?” said John Ferko, a retired postal worker from Phoenixville, Pa., who supports Clinton.

Indeed, Clinton seems to have won the better part of the culture clash, leading among hunters by a margin of 56-31 percent, among bowlers by 54-33 percent, and among gun owners by 53-28 percent.

Why would either of these candidates make idiots of themselves with superficial displays?

Because they’re both idiots who think the voters are idiots too.

Sheesh!

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this

Geez, talk about missing the point altogether:

{{{{By Less April 20, 2008 8:38 AM As you can clearly see, the post from AJC Management is extremely critical of Cynthia Tucker. AJC Management even goes so far as to make snide remarks about capitalism (paying her several hundred thousand) and freedom of speech. What more could you expect from AJC Management, Bob from Canton.}}}}

I included comments about the two hundred grand a year to underscore the point that most of the people and politicians running around telling everybody else how bad America is, are all successful millionaires.

Check this out: Cynthia Tucker is enslaved by the capitalist society that is the very horror of living in America, she is paid very well to fabricate a half baked opinion piece once a week, who would know more about the unmerciful, uncaring world that the common people must struggle through each and every day?

She’s a joke.

Just like any other liberal, perched up high upon their millions, telling the general population that you will never succeed unless you vote for us.

Power hungry, no?

And as far as a comment section under her byline, make note that Jay Kookman doesn’t have one either, I suspect that if you are going to make a living posting such crackpot drivel as they do, you’d best not provide a forum for the average Joe to come along and ridicule it, ripping it apart piece by piece and uncovering the obvious fallacy that your work really is.

I know I wouldn’t.

By stephanie

April 20, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this

I am so curious on why white American is so worried about things like a stupid flag, a terrorist can wear a flag pin does that make him patriotic??? What about the economy, the war, healthcare. Don’t you think hollow subjects like a flag pin is why we are in the mess we are in now. I can’t believe that we as a country haven’t learn from the last 8 years of turmoil, but I guess because Bush prays it make his blunders OK

By PartyLine

April 20, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

Pam,

I agree with you in theory. In practice, the Republicans would have to first come up with talking points that are of interest to more people than the likes of {{{{{}}}}}, jbmlaw, Dusty…Otherwise, the best strategy is to just throw their hate speech right back at them. They can’t stand it, you know. People ignore their attempts to change the topic to something as meaningless as a label and they just can’t stand it. Pitiful little people with their childish mannerisms. They’ll be off to church soon praying for forgiveness. Perhaps they will eventually receive help despite their repeated attempts to deny their need.

By ron

April 20, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

The more I think about this the more pis-sed off I become:

{{{{Iran’s ambassador to Iraq on Saturday denounced U.S. military operations in Baghdad’s Shiite Sadr City district, saying they had led to the deaths of innocent people. Police and hospital officials reported 12 people died and 71 were injured in overnight clashes.-Urinal}}}}

There are American troops in the field, fighting and dying for a mission that they believe in, volunteers who know full well the price that could be paid to protect us from those who have vowed to kill us, and I open up the “news” paper of some large American city, a “news” paper full of reporters enjoying the protections of America secured by said troops, and I read enemy propaganda announcements?

There is something truly sickening and despicable about this.

Their is a disease eating away at the very core of our country, a disease perpetrated by a bunch of self hating parasites, and if they cannot refrain from posting enemy lies and propaganda against those who would give all to protect us, one has to wonder what harm these filthy mofo would really like visit upon us.

Which side are these degenerates on?

And yet they call themselves “patriots.”

FY.

By gman

April 20, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

White America is not worried about a flag pin. White America is concerned about a man running for President that has ties to a racist Pastor, that he attended church and listened to the filth that Pastor was spewing for almost 20 years. White America is concerned about a candidiate that hangs out with known Vietnam era terrorists, those who say they didn’t “plant enough bombs”. White America is concerned about electing a man who will send this country into adepression by jacking taxes thru the roof on the people who are actually paying taxes. White people are concerned about America cutting and running on an ally in their darkest hour. I happen to have 2 Sons that have 2 tours apiece in Iraq/Afghan. We need to finish the job. Obama is unfit to be a dog catcher.

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

AJC Mgt.,

Today’s posts are some of the best stuff I’ve seen on this blog. The 8:14 closing commentary is especially deadly, but I would remind you that you aren’t supposed to speak ill of persons with Pulitzers.

By Flynn M.

April 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this

jim, how many times have you heard a librul quote jefferson’s Dissent is the highest form of patriotism bs? they all do it all the time! hell, kerry and kennedy, obam’s senatorial mentors have used it. problem is jefferson never said it. libs are notorious liars. obam is no different. the folks who believe them are misguided fools.

By Filster

April 20, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this

I believe the underlying challenge was to define patriotism. is the feeling you get looking at America’s majestic mountains at sunset, or looking out over the Atlantic at sunrise. It’s the incredible display of color in the fall in New England, its a kid missing his two front teeth trying to juggle a hot dog, popscycle, and sparkler at a 4th of July period. Patriotism is looking at the American flag flying in the sunshine and realizing, with pride, that right or wrong you live in the greatest country that have ever existed in our world. It allows us to express, sometimes vehemently, adverse positions. It is the tears you feel flowing down you cheeks when you view the Vietnam Veterans’ wall, the statute of Abraham Lincoln, or the row upon row upon row of crosses and stars of David at a cemetary in France, or Arlington National in D.C. It is obvious to me, reading through all the vilification and political posturing above, that most of you know absolutely nothing about patriotism. Probably those most vocal never served their country in the military, never volunterred their service in the Peace Corps, or did anything for anyone other than themselves. No wonder most of you can’t define patriotism. You simply, and sadly, have no clue based on your lives to date. Perhaps the words of true patriots past might help you down the road to understanding patriotism. “I regret I have but one life to give for my country,” followed by words scratched on a tombstone at Presque Isle in Erie, PA “Shame on my country.”

By George Washington

April 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Link to this

Army Corpse of Engineers Mistakenly Drained Lake Lanier of 22 billion gallons of water in 2006 to save taxpayers $138 for a new pulley: Army people are basicly stupid, including the generals: Never, ever let them gain any power over you what so ever: It is well documented that the military profession overall has the lowest average IQ of any profession: The fact that it took them 52 days to notice they were draining the lake demonstrates the stupidity of military types: the fact that civilians were telling them from day 10 on that they were mistakenly draining the lake is even worse: it shows that the arrogant military types are too stupid to listen to others: the most dangerous people on earth are the ones who are too stupid to know that there are things they do not know. We won’t even talk about the army’s pis s poor performance at war….

By George Washington

April 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Did ya notice how I saved the taxpayers a couple of letter “o”s above? to is just too efficient

By You're Wrong

April 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Link to this

Just because Senator Obama does not look like you. Does not drink beer in a duck blind with you. Does not bash “queers.” Does not pray Sunday morning then beat his wife in his trailer Sunday night. Does not get all his news from Hannity. Does not look down on higher education. And does not think looking out for your fellow man makes you weak… does not make him any less of a patriotic American than you.

In fact he makes far more sense than any of you bashing him on this blog for not wearing a stupid pin! And YES those pins are stupid. Why? Larry Craig wears one. David Vitter wears one. Duke Cunningham wears one. Mark Foley wears one. And I guess you all think those fine representatives of our country and government are perfectly fine patriots. I am sick and tired of all this “patriot talk.” We need a strong leader in this country. We have had a “patriot” running this country into the ground over the last 8 years. A patriot who waltzed around in his flight suit telling everyone he won the war… a patriot who has allowed insanely rich men to get even richer by profiting from the Iraq War. We no longer need a faux patriot running this country. We need someone to save this country from the likes of him.

By stephanie

April 20, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

Excuse me gman, I served my country in the airforce. I always read we need to finish the job, what job “free Iraq’s” find the terroist” get the oil” when will the job be done??? We they have drained our country and killed all of our soldiers?? You people need to wake up, those people over their have been fighing for thousands of years but we Americans are so cocky that we think we can put all of that to rest. Pleaseeeeee. I’m not saying Barak is the answer, but why is he being judged by his pastor, is that all you have on him. Don’t tell me that you haven’t heard worst said amongst the people you know, but I guess that’s alright because as long as someone makes jokes or says something inappropriate about minorities that fine

By jbmlaw

April 20, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Dear Hillbilly @ 8:29, “You know this is BS, Jim. Actually, this is beyond lying, this is, if such a thing is possible, beneath you.” Welll done, confession is the first step to recovery from endemic leftism.

By Dusty

April 20, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Obama’s patriotism doesn’t worry me. I can’t even find what or where it is. It is a lost level for him, not something you could recognize.

When we have to judge “patriotism” by wife and friends, then something ugly arises. It is something you do not want to see anywhere near the White House. It is a partisan participation that is the opposite of patriotism.

So I do not worry about Obama’s “patriotism”. I worry about citizens who accept graceful speeches and smiles as the only attribute needed for a president.

Not that this is a surprise. The same people hated President Bush for protecting Americans to the very extent of his power as President. They despise his ability to lead against our enemies. They undermine American military while we are at war. They “excuse” Obama’s traitorous friends as “past” yet makes forgeries, insinuations and lies about the past of President Bush.

The double standard for liberals is what they have given us. NOw it is what we expect of them. Obama has not broken this pattern of invisible patriotism.

By AmVet

April 20, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this

Yesterday afternoon I posted this:

patriot - 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

Given the shockingly low percentage of phony conservatives/faketriots here who have actually done the defending part, I guess two out of three ain’t bad…

A scant twelve minutes later, this retort:

AmVet adds to the usual litany of liberal hate speech by declaring that any who have not served in the military are not as patriotic as he.

Interesting definition of hate speech (and liberal as well) to be sure. Not remotely accurate, but interesting.

And that is my point - the true meaning of words and phrases and the failure by so very many to grasp and use them. Correctly.

IMHO, we live in an age where truth often matters VERY little.

And this is not by accident.

Much of this paucity of the truth, such as that found on these blogs, is due to a simple lack of writing skills and lucidity by hyper-partisan participants with an agenda that is many times, at odds with reality.

Some of it, by design, is by the power brokers in religion (whose very survival depends on it), the media, on Madison Avenue and in the halls of government who know they can easily manipulate a huge number of Americans who have the critical thinking skills of a six year old.

So like countless others, the uber-fashionable term patriotism is thrown about like an empty beer can now. And is so misused as to be nearly meaningless.

And as stephanie alluded to earlier, if Kim Il-sung came to visit the USA and wore old glory on his lapel, is he a patriot?

We all know the answer.

Read the definition of patriotism again if you must.

And then be prepared to challenge your assumptions about it.

Even if that has bearing upon you personally.

How exactly are you defending this greatest of all nations? What specifically are you doing to preserve our republic?

I sure hope like hell it is more than blogging….

By Q&A

April 20, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

The question was: Other public servants wear american flag pins. Why don’t you(Obama)?

I know how to translate Obamaspeak Wooten! Here goes:

Answer: Flag pins are for average schmucks - the Joe Schmoes who put their lives on the line every day so I can prosper in this country my wife wasn’t proud of until I came along. My patriotism is in my head not on my heart.

FO Barack! Who needs your b******?

By getalife

April 20, 2008 11:19 AM | Link to this

The flag pingate is ridicilous because mcwar does not wear one. The ones that do wear them like w and cheney should not take them off because they proved they are not patriots just corporatists. They don’t give a damn about their country, they are war criminals and broke other laws too. Just thugs that we should never compare other Americans to unless they are criminals, thugs or gang members.

Here is a President that took a Clinton surplus and economy and absolutley destroyed it and our country.

Yet Jim and his ilk give them a free pass and whine about flag pins.

This beyond pathetic journalism, this is just plain pitiful.

STFU about patriotism losers.

By SharonH

April 20, 2008 11:22 AM | Link to this

Excuse me Jim, but what or who gives you the authority to define “patriotism”? Despite your White male Southerness, you have no more authority to decide what constitutes patriotism than anyone else. You get your one vote and that’s it. Geesh, do you believe that you set the standards and it is up to everyone else to fit in? You are the very definition of anti-American.

By Patriot

April 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this

When AmVet types IMHO I sure hope he’s using the H for Honest, ‘cause there’s nothing Humble about the worthless punk.

By Dusty

April 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You can wear a diaper pin, a safety or a felt-tip pen as far as I am concerned. Try it since you are against flag pins. Maybe you will find one that suits you.

By AmVet

April 20, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Obviously, I hit a nerve big time, as evidenced by the comments of the “courageous” unnamed/misnamed poster at 11:26.

If he/she/it take the message to heart that personally, there’s a reason.

Battle on, brave one.

Your country needs you in the war on terrorism…

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this

Twenty years ago there was this big dust-up in Europe. A guy named Farias had alleged in a popular journal that the great German philosopher Martin Heidegger had been an early and ardent Nazi. Farias caught hell, because in Europe Heidegger is something like the Thinking Continental’s Elvis Presley. The French especially make rock stars out of Continental philosophers, and Heidegger is considered the last great one.

So Farias took it in the neck from the most stand-up public intellectuals in Europe, and cafes and campuses and cocktail circuits were abuzz with Farias hatred. Full-page petitions in defense of Heidegger were published. High-toned debates were held, only to degenerate into what passes in France for intellectual street brawling. Against his own financial interest, Farias disclosed more and more of the supporting evidence he was soon to bring out in book form.

And still, very few people believed that the great thinker Heidegger could be so shallow and facile as to fall for the comic-book pseudo-theories that justified the thuggery of German National Socialism. Finally Farias dropped the bomb. It was a proper photo of Heidegger, taken early in the War. And there it was, on the pompous ba$tard’s chest: his gaudy Nazi Party lapel pin.

Turned out Heidegger had joined the Party very early, and had signed on to provide philosophical underpinnings for Nazi social planning. He undertook this project with great zeal, declaring himself in the mid-Thirties the “Fuehrer” of Freiburg University, rather than its Rector (to him, an ecclesiastical archaism). He expunged all Jews from his faculty, and announced in his own notoriously obscurantist fashion that all universities, like all of Europe and all the Globe, were destined by History to be run on der Fuehrer Princip—-the Nazi “Leader Principle”. To this, Heidegger dedicated his philosophical output. After the War he taught for two decades in Paris, where he enjoyed the status of a clebrity-intellectual.

He’d always denied having had a role in the Third Reich, and denied that his philosophical writings from 1933 onward had anything to do with Nazism. And the academic world, and the Smart Set of Europe, were inclined to believe him.

It took a lapel pin.

By getalife

April 20, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

When they are predicting the next attack will come from Afghanistan/Pakistan region, that is not patriotism, that is w’s legacy. Worst President ever and voting gop again thinking it will change, that is definition of insanity.

After Obama’s complete meltdown in the last debate, there is only one good choice for President.

President Hillary Clinton.

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this

If racism isn’t unpatriotic, then no law can save us.

Patriotism is the shared reverence for any american’s rights as they are described in the bill of rights.

Racism’s not in the brochure!

By George Washington

April 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Link to this

Ah gitadyke, ah must had breakfast, bacon, sausage, eggs, and toast: then I read your last post that said President Hillarity the Clown, and ah just lost it all, barfed all over the floor….ahs can’t stand that ugly hag….

By Jeremy

April 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this

Democrats and liberals are more patriotic than the conservatives and right wing neo-cons. It is patriotic to want to bring the troops home to keep them from getting killed in a war that should have never been waged. Don’t give me we were attacked on 9/11 yes we were and now we are in the WRONG country. It is unpatriotic to not care about our troops and get them killed for no reason. God Bless America and our troops and God Bless the Democrats who will either bring them home from Iraq or send them to the correct country.

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Correction: The photo was the official portrait of Heidegger as Fuehrer of Freiburg University. The portrait was made in 1933, and not during the War. Heidegger remained a Party member until the Party was dissolved by Soviet tanks and American bombers.

By jbmlaw

April 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Dear Jeremy @ 12:11, you remind us well that leftists do not understand that the Islamists who attacked us on 9/11 were a worldwide movement until President Bush counterattacked. We also understand that your fellow travelers would terminate efforts to wipe out the movement. Your program does not give rational people cause for confidence. Conservatives understand the best course is to allow our noble military to do what it does best - kill the bad guys. I know you leftists cling to a Chamberlainesque belief that you can talk reason to the butchers who reside in the middle east. We conservatives hold a Churchillian undertanding that the only true resolution will come from wiping out those who kill Americans without provocation.

By munchi

April 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw you write…Jeremy @ 12:11, you remind us well that leftists do not understand that the Islamists who attacked us on 9/11 were a worldwide movement until President Bush counterattacked.

jbmlaw are we (the USA) going to attack every country that has imbeded Islamists terroritst? If that were so we would be attacking our own country!

Terroist abound worldwide! Iraq virtually had no terrorists…As a result of GWB’s misguided tour de force in Iraq we are stuck in a quagmire that has cost over 4,000 lives and billions .. close to a trillion dollars!

By the way they still are a worlwide movement!

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Glenn, please dont mention the fuerher. I’ve managed to completely stop using hitler references and holding a black comb up under my nose and yelling “zeig heil” or “I ma dee heetlah” at parties and gatherings, and I havent done the leiderhosen slap dance in at least six weeks now.

My mom begs you. My sisters beg you. And I beg you.

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Is that an oompa band?

By munchi

April 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this

Today I tuned into “This week” which featured George Stepphie (I don’t know how to spell his name) and John McCain…Anyone else here on this blog watch this?

Notice anything? Neither was wearing that little itty pin (the flag) Do they hate America as much as Wooten thinks Obama does?

McCain why do you hate America?

By hamilton

April 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Right on th money, Jim. A true patriot would defend our honor by sending hundreds or thousands more young men and women to die or become disfigured in Iraq. Forget that they went to Iraq based on lies and incompetence, this is about HONOR! And those tens of thousands of Iraqis should be proud to die in the greater cause of our national honor. If Obama were an REAL patriot he would bravely commit these thousands to the great sacrifice.

I do get a bit stuck trying to figure how all this war and killing fits into the whole Christian thing, though.

Hey, look! Lindsay Lohan is drunk and naked again!

Where were we? Oh yeah… Obama is a Muslim terrorist! What a weird name…

By PartyLine

April 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

You see jbmlaw and Dusty talking about the characteristics of a leftist and of an unpatriotic person. They do it so well because they are just such persons themselves. No one else could possibly provide such good descriptions.

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Politics Aside, I’d hoped that you’d have noticed by now that I never use Nazism as mere metaphor or simile. The only thing more dangerous than Nazism is the sort of mass confusion that could allow, for example, the transformation of Nazism into a form of kitsch. (Howard Dean, Bill Maher, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Shop, Emporio Armani und der Hugo Bosshaus notwithstanding, of course.)

By getalife

April 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

mcwar does not support the new Webb GI bill and abuses the troops by keeping them in Iraq without a mission.

He does not wear your silly flag pin

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

{{{{By munchi April 20, 2008 12:43 PM jbmlaw are we (the USA) going to attack every country that has imbeded Islamists terroritst? If that were so we would be attacking our own country!}}}}

Polly: Let’s see here, this morning the Urinal has a dispatch from the enemy front lines that featured an Iranian diplomat whining about a US military action in Iraq.

Kinds shoots your argument all in the as-s, doesn’t it?

And you dimwit liberals may be naive enough to believe that there is some distinct difference between the Islamic Fascists in Afghanistan and the Islamic Fascists in Iraq, but we aren’t.

Do tell us, what exactly do you think Saddam Hussein meant when he was saying “Death To America?”

Enlighten us.

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this

Duhng, please stop using fascist references. I’ve only just now, at 57, stopped doing the Mussolin vogue where he would fold his arms and nod his head, like, “that’s right, I’m Mussolini” during speeches.

Then you have to go and remind me about fascism. Thanx alot pal. No, just thanks alot.

Anybody see my black comb?

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

Moron Dud gushes about thee Beknighted One:

{{{{It had to be the first time in history that a presidential candidate had a hip-hop moment. Barack Obama, who says he listens to Jay-Z.}}}}

{{{{There’s no doubt the cat is cool. It’s easy to imagine the wild reception many parts of the world would give a President Obama as he loped down the stairs of Air Force One in his aviator glasses, the chic and chiseled Michelle on his arm.}}}}

Ahhh, yes, let us all be cool and gaze upon Obambi’s favorite rap stars delightful lyrics:

And mad wealth, but you f*** hoes yourself

If you caught one its like a lesbian connect

You and a b*** all p*** no dick

Since ‘86 I been bustin off clips Mashin mad whips, bendin hot chicks

Westside them n**** that ride for this s**

Fly to New York City, crack a Brooklyn b***

You see me in a tunnel with my n**** on hit

Light skinned n**** in the full ink mink

F*** off chump change on b*** and drinks

Apologies for all that^^ (-:

Aaaaaaahahahahahaha, this Obama “mofo” is done dealing.

No amount of puff will save that as-s now.

Do tell us, all you Brooklyn “b***,” whats up wit dat?

By RW-(the original)

April 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

{Speaking of Nazis and the pathetic state of education](http://www.flickr.com/photos/dead-ro/2403957312/in/set-72157604338750019/)

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The flag pin flap is a straw man argument promoted by the left to keep you from connecting the dots. From Obama seeking out Marxists in college to Jeremiah Wright to William Ayers and so on. The answer to all those questions will be to tell you to quit talking about a silly flag pin.

Now I ask you, did you see his speech on race after the Wright flap? For someone who claims he doesn’t use symbolism there sure were an awful lot of flags behind him. More than I’ve ever seen behind a politician and that says something the way they way they try to pack them back there.

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this

{{{{By that standard, Barack Obama is a liberal, but not a conscientious one. I don’t much care if he declines to wear a flag pin; I can overlook his wife’s limited capacity for patriotic pride; and I defended his relationship with his former pastor. But his comfortable association with an unrepentant former terrorist should induce queasiness in anyone who shares the humane values that Obama extols.}}}}

{{{{Would Obama be friendly with someone who actually bombed abortion clinics and defends that conduct? Not likely. But he is friendly with William Ayers, a leader of the radical Weather Underground, which in the 1970s carried out numerous bombings, including one inside the U.S. Capitol. (Though the last person who should object is Hillary Clinton, whose husband pardoned two Weather Underground members.)}}}}

{{{{Obama minimized his relationship by acknowledging only that he knows Ayers. But they have quite a bit more of a connection than that. He’s appeared on panels with Ayers, served on a foundation board with him and held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers even gave money to one of his campaigns.}}}}

{{{{Dohrn has likewise rationalized the explosions, claiming that “our acts of resistance were tiny and symbolic.” She even went to prison for refusing to testify about an armored car robbery involving her confederates. That crime was not tiny or symbolic to the two police officers or the security guard who were shot to death in the process.}}}}

Cop killers, vulgar and demeaning rap pers, maybe Bruno was right to say this guy hasn’t been properly vetted.

By RW-(the original)

April 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Let’s try that Nazi link one more time

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

{{{{The head of the Kurdish self-ruled region, Massoud Barzani, has offered Kurdish troops to help fight anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia.}}}}

{{{{More significantly, Sunni Arab Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi signed off on a statement by Talabani, a Kurd, and the Shiite vice president, Adil Abdul-Mahdi, expressing support for the crackdown in the oil-rich southern city of Basra.}}}}

{{{{“There are those who questioned whether or not the prime minister was prepared to go after militias that were associated one way or another with political elements in his coalition … and there have been questions from the Arab states,” Rice said. “I think he’s answering that question.”}}}}

Bwa.

By Jackie

April 20, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

The Pentagon released a report indicating that more than 300,000 US troops had severe brain injury or Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

We have a regime that is struggling to provide the contracted care for these people while standing in our faces to impart more double-speak and lies about lowering the troop commitment and allowing these folks more time away from this illegal war than they were deployed.

The second part of this pact with our own government is, the troops that volunteered for service can be retained in the service forever, if Dubya chooses to do so. He simply issues a stop loss for those troops and they are forced to stay until they are released or re-enlist to get the bonus being offered.

To throw more dirt on this pile is the fact that Dubya borrows money from other nations, runs up the deficit, doubles the national debt, decelerates the value of the dollar, tells our children they are intelligent enough to be employed by companies that will pay them a living wage and all the cost associated with his misadventures will be borne by your children and grandchildren.

For the first time in American history, this is the only decade where the cost of living his risen, the productivity of goods and services has risen by 20% and inflation-adjusted wages has fallen.

What a leader.

By hillbilly ragger

April 20, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

JBM @ 10:57, why do you think I give a crap what you think of me?

My comments are for Wooten. As asinine as he gets on his best day, he’s worth the whole lot of you knuckle-dragging right wing tagalongs put together.

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

From the Treason Times, no less:

{{{{Iraqi Army Takes Last Basra Areas From Sadr Force- Iraqi forces moved into the Hayaniya neighborhood of Basra with little resistance on Saturday. By the evening, with American and British help, Basra was calm.}}}}

And if that^^ isn’t bad enough news for you wormy liberals, check this little jewel out:

{{{{Whether to counter those allegations or simply because, as many Iraqis have recently speculated, Mr. Sadr’s stock has recently fallen in Iranian eyes, the Iranian ambassador, Hassan Kazemi Qumi, on Saturday expressed his government’s strong support for the Iraqi assault on Basra. He even called the militias in Basra “outlaws,” the same term that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki has used to describe them.}}}}

{{{{“The idea of the government in Basra was to fight outlaws,” Mr. Qumi said. “This was the right of the government and the responsibility of the government. And in my opinion the government was able to achieve a positive result in Basra.”}}}}

Can you say victory?

By Brothah Soldjah

April 20, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

Look at the dumb crackers cheer the Brothah Bama.

The phrase “get that dirt off your shoulder” is from the song “Dirt Off Your Shoulder,” not “99 Problems.”

Obama would know better than to reference “99 Problems,” since it’s refrain, “99 problems but a b*** ain’t one” could be seen as just a little bit sexist.

By AJC Management

April 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Oh, you’re right, my bad:

You’re now tuned into the muh’f*** greatest

Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off n****

If you feelin like a pimp n****, go and brush your shoulders off

Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off

N**** is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you

Middle finger to the law, n**** grip’n my balls

In case fifty-two broads come out, now you chillin with a boss b*** of course S.C. on the sleeve

Me and my beautiful beeeeeeeitch in the back of that ‘Bach

I ain’t gotta clap at ‘em, n**** scared of that black

You’re now tuned into the muh’f*** greatest

How’d I do this time?

Is Obama not just the “muh’f***” greatest?

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

I appreciate what you guys are saying. I’m just pointing out that the invitation to read a lapel pin as a political text is not facially silly or shallow, so that folks might feel free to read the symbol or reject a reading of it. The test of the reading is the validity of its results, and their capacity to illuminate something dimly seen. That’s all. In the end it doesn’t pay, though, to be like the late Sunday Times book critic Hesketh Pearson, who liked to say that he’d far rather criticize a book than read one.

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

Some knuckle-draggers.

Some tagalongs.

By @@

April 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Good grief! I watched snippets of that Obama rally on the news. I thought it was a little disrespectful to compare Hillary to dirt on his shoulder, but I had no idea……….?

I did some googling news and read where Maureen Dowd (I think) referred to his gestures as “dog-whistle politics”.

Remember when I told you guys about Darwin’s cousin Sir Francis Gaulton inventing the dog-whistle?

Well there you have it! The audience howled with Obama’s silent gesture getting “the dirt”(Hillary) off his shoulder and “the crap (Hillary) off his shoes”.

I’m impressed too. NOT!!!!

Leftists do make excellent political pets - the proof is in the viewing.

Wierd!

By PartyLine

April 20, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

The reading of the lapel pin is just one more distraction in a long line of distractions. It has no bearing whatsoever on the really important issues facing us today.

We have a war raging in Iraq that is based on one lie after another. It will ultimately cost us more than we can afford to pay — if it hasn’t already.

We have an economy that just gets worse and worse and no leadership trying to make it better.

We have greedy, self-centered politicians that just want to know what’s in it for them.

We have a failed health-care system and no sign of improvement.

The list just goes on and on and our politicians cannot seem to find it within themselves to even keep on subject. Instead, they harp on about a lapel pin or something equally as stupid.

Let’s go ahead with the approach that many Republicans want and get rid of all taxes. No more sales tax, no more income tax, no more fees, nothing at all. Let’s make it effective immediately. Any government employees wishing to continue to work must do so at their own expense.

Good luck with that.

By Tom

April 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Make no mistake here. Wooten and Dusty and jbmlaw are not talking about patriotism. They’re in favor of sheer mindless jingoism.

By Jackie

April 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

@ @@,

How could you even begin to speak of someone being a political pet when those of you that support Dubya are viewed with a measure of disbelief?

At least your pet will not bite the hand that feeds it.

What do you think?

By getalife

April 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this

@@,

It is what the rappers do with the haters.

Older folks will not get it but they do get this

By BRAVES~NATION!

April 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

8,000 African Americans were killed last year in the USA by gunfire… WHY DOESN’T THIS MAKE THE HEADLINES? While I cry for every hero that has died in Iraq the number is low in comparison to the tragedy happening in our own nation. The liberal media is not addressing this reality— WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE ?? - Is Obama addressing this issue within his community of black idiot democrats?

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

How about Chipper out of the gate! and then the injury.

Of course.

By Jackie

April 20, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

@ BRAVES-NATION

Don’t think you have been paying attention to the fact the Obama and other Dems have been speaking of this crisis for years.

The only thing the Repubs want to speak of is lapel pins and patriotism.

For example, if a gun dealer is found to have violated the law, he has a requirement to sell his remaining inventory with federal overview. Matter of fact, he can sell his inventory at flea markets where background checks are not required.

Should the Repubs be labeled as idiots?

By Politics Aside

April 20, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

How strong are the Redwings this year?

By Larry

April 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Jackie, whenever a gun control advocate talks about how dangerous handguns are, I always counter with the argument of “Show me the bodies. If guns are so bad, then where are all the bodies?”

I’ve never lost an argument, or a shootout, or an arm wrestling match either.

By RW-(the original)

April 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

Jackie,

A gun dealer can’t sell his inventory at a flea market or a gun show without going through the same background check procedure he would if he sold the gun at his store.

By Glenn

April 20, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

The presence of the lapel pin or its conspicuous absence, or both, could serve as a window on who that man really is. That’s what Heidegger’s lapel pin did, and now, after generations of students have done the forced kow-tow through that philosopher’s ridiculous obscurantism, we finally know WTF he really was and why all the squid’s ink. Best of all, we know what damned fools our presumed “experts” were to have commended Heidegger to us with such genuflection, and what fools we were to acquiesce so sheepishly, to accede to the authority of our teachers and they to the hidden authoritarianism of a brilliant fraud of purely fascistic and homicidal intent.

It is quite obvious by now that Barack Obama is himself a tinhorn obscurantist in the long tradition of political frauds. Were the country to learn too late that what he is trying so imaginatively to obscure is in fact something dangerous, and had that discovery have been invited much earlier by an overlooked remark or symbol or action, then we again will have been happy lambs led off.

Political campaigns are but America’s most obvious exercises in semiotics and symbolism.

By Dusty

April 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Ho hummm,

I see liberals have spent the day telling conservatives that we are not “patriotic” because we support our President and our military fighting for us.

Yes sir, we are so evil because we fight terrorists instead of sitting at home crying about it.

Yes sir, we sent our sons and daughterS to fight for us because we don’t care if they get killed and wounded! So says Jackie who does not want us to actually fight terrorism. Somebody gets hurt!

Tom tom the liberal “bomb” says if you support our elected president and the USA you are nothing but a jingoist, (a mindless supporter). Uh huh…what did our fallen heroes know!!

So it goes. If you don’t want to hide under your bed in a fight, disregard the flag, sneer at the President, insult McCain, lie about Petraeus and Iraq, say the USA is not so “hot” and declare your confidence in an anti-war man who wants to be president, you cannot be an honest-to-goodness liberal Democrat. You just don’t have the qualifications to act like an Anti-American liberal.

Meanwhile, the rest of us keep right on supporting the country, the President and the military. Now aint that something!!!

By Q-Ball

April 21, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney, the pro-war types who never served seem to be the real patriots in America. At least in the mind of the right-wingers Kids today generally don’t enlist out of any patriotism, they enlist for employment or to escape their dead end job or drug infested neighborhood. THe children of the wealthy elite don’t serve. Heck, at least I can respect William and Harry. These young men did serve in a war zone, at least of of them did, and they both served!

By You

April 21, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

can’t handle the truth, Dusty. You can’t handle the fact that other people have the right to express their opinions just as much as you do. Get over it, Dusty. Your hatred of those that disagree with you does not change anything. By the way, Cheny wants to know if you got the memo. The one labeled, “They Volunteered”. Also, did you get those memos about who was all buddy buddy with Saddam. Maybe having him dead also keeps him quiet about, you know, past alliances. Don’t forget to send the leaders of those South American countries our thanks for being bullied so easily by GW. GW knew he could get them to cave right along with others that he pushed around like the spoiled, stupid schoolyard bully would do when he doesn’t get what he wants.

By RJ

April 21, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this

Dusty: I am the quandary. I am a Democrat, and yet I display my American flag to show pride in my country. What do you make of me?

By George Washington

April 21, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

Yes, we all hate dusty and her ilk…Fake patriots, flag waving fools, TRAITORS to American values…

By The Devil You Say

April 21, 2008 10:54 AM | Link to this

Excellent op-ed piece today. Barak Obama does equate (Hillary as well) patriotism with political expediency. He also is obsessed with ‘equality’ over freedom. He does not understand that in this country we have a right to try to raise ourselves up, not to be raised up. There is a huge difference.

Obama is correct. His ‘story’ could not be told in most other countries. To say that a poor boy from an immigrant background could not make it in another nation is not quite true. Nicholas Sazkozy has much the same story in France, oddly enough. But America is clearly different. America is a land of abundance, both natural and in human resources. We have been blessed. But we are successful as a people because of a willingness of individuals to take risks. Too much of what I hear among liberals and Democrats is a desire to limit or eliminate most if not all risks. Not only is this impossible, it is also undesirable. Without risks there cannot be any real progress in society. We thus must be able to fail for success to mean anything. I remember a Twilight Zone episode about a lifetime criminal going to Hell - a place where risks had been eliminated. The entire existance there was meaningless and without pleasure of any kind. That is the world that Barak Obama wants.

We tried it in the extreme with the Soviet Union and its client states. The odd thing is that in that ‘classless’ society, a rigid class structure developed with party elders and party members running everything. The people were not better off as far as freedoms went than they were under the tsars. In fact, they were worse off and the government was even more oppressive. I don’t want the government running the economy and my healthcare system and trying to dictate what the markets should do about energy. It has never worked in the past and it won’t in the future. Allowing people to make choices and free market decisions is real freedom and democracy. What Obama and Clinton are advocating is, in the end, an economic dictatorship. And it will fail.

By The Devil You Say

April 21, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Q-Ball - please stop with the ignorant, left-wing, looney and disengenuous pap about how Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney (and any number of other people, left and right) are warmongers who never served in the military. Military service is not a requirement to be commander in chief or to be for a war. No one, in this country at least, really wanted a war. It was forced upon us and, agree or disagree, we have it. We must be (as Hillary says about her campaign) in it to win it.

Of our first fifteen presidents only six had any military experience. Our sixteenth president, Lincoln, had NONE. Grant, our worst president, had gobs of military experience. Neither Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt had any military experience yet they led us - over the objections of isolationists and ‘America-firsters’ into two World Wars. We won both because they had the courage to follow the advice of the generals, even when it wasn’t politically expedient to do so. Since Eisenhower, we have had a habit of electing men with rather low ranking military experience, and that is nice, but hardly a ‘qualification.’

What if Barak Obama or Hillary Clinton found it necessary to lead us into another war? Would you then decry the fact that they had no military experience and call them war mongers? I seriously doubt it. Some misguided Republicans would hypocritically do so, but most would rally around the commander in chief as a patriotic and national security necessity.

As for the wearing of flag pens. That is all well and good that Mr. Obama does not want to do so. But by refusing to do so for so long and calling those who did ‘phoney’ he showed what kind of effete elitist he truly is. Like the sacraments, wearing a pen is an outward sign of inner faith. It might not be completely necessary, but it is imporant to demonstrate that faith to others. But then again, I am only a bitter, god-fearing fellow who was raised in the country. I’ve never owned a gun.

By Q-Ball

April 21, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

The Devil You Say

You’re a d@mned clown. Talking about a flag pin and god-fearing rubbish, while this country is on the verge of financial ruin, over run with illegals. We are not talking about the past, but about the future. McCain is the best you clowns can do and that is quite pathetic. Some old disease ridden cripple who probably can’t wipe his own arse will be the the oval office, bent over the desk, taking it from the energy, military, and Isreali lobbyist who paid for him to get there. Line up, lube up, the GOP Way

By hotlanta

April 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Wooten. I just viewed a YouTube videotape that showed the Gov. Of Pennsylvania praising Minister Farrakhan at a convention. Was he wearing the pin when he gave the speech. I wonder why hasn’t this video hit the airways. I wonder will Hiliary reject or denoounce his support.

By hotlanta

April 21, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Hey Wooten. I just viewed a YouTube videotape that showed the Gov. Of Pennsylvania praising Minister Farrakhan at a convention. Was he wearing the pin when he gave the speech. I wonder why hasn’t this video hit the airways. I wonder will Hiliary reject or denoounce his support.

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April 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Saddam in hell.

Mission Accomplished

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