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DEL.ICIO.USHillary and Obama: Slicing and dicing.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
OK, so Hillary wasn’t under sniper fire in Bosnia in 1996. But at least she had the integrity to stand up Wednesday night and admit that she lied. How often do you hear that from a politician — an honest answer that she lied.
“On a couple of occasions in the last weeks, I just said some things that were not in keeping with what I knew to be the case,” she said. “I’m embarrassed by it. I apologized for it. I said it was a mistake.”
“You can go back for the past 15 months. We both have said things that, you know, turned out not to be accurate,” said Clinton. “That happens when you’re talking as much as we have talked. But, you know, I’m very sorry that I said it.”
Barack Obama returned once again to his testimony about why working-class people in small towns cling to God, guns and bigotry as well as his notions about how patriotism should be expressed by the President.
“The point I was making was that when people feel like Washington is not listening to them that politically they end up focusing on those things that are constant, like religion, which is a place they can find some refuge.” (Ever notice that anytime any politician says something dumb and offensive the clarification is always smooth and reasonable? Unless, of course, you’re Trent Lott or a Republican.)
Wednesday night’s debate, which was well worth watching, may be the last before next Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary. Hillary once had a substantial lead there, but the two are now tied. In recent days, she’s launched television advertising there that refers to Obama’s God, guns and bigotry remark as “a fundamental misunderstanding of religion and faith.”
When asked whether Obama could win in November, she replied: “Yes, yes, yes. Now I think I can do a better job. Obviously that’s why I’m here.”
I’m not yet ready to say “no, no, no” in the case of either Hillary or Obama. But I do hope Republicans who might be inclined to drift to a third party or to stay home have been watching these debates. They can be beat, either of them. They speak a language — Obama, especially — that is not out of Middle America. Elitist? Out-of-touch? Something. Whatever the quality is, John Kerry had it, as did George McGovern. And Hillary, poor Hillary, has been pushed so far to the left that she’s losing her prospects, however limited they were, to appeal to Middle America, especially those who aren’t ready to embrace defeat in Iraq.
Comments
By jbmlaw
April 17, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I think Jim stated the conservative perspective appropriately. Dr. Sowell had a great line last week, said something like, “John McCain cannot make me vote for John McCain. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can make me vote for John McCain.” Another great quote by another conservative thinker along the same lines as Jim’s argument: “It’s going to take a lot of “framing” for Democrats to recast Obama’s explanation to San Francisco cafe society that gun ownership and a belief in God are the byproducts of a psychological disorder brought on by economic hardship. It is an article of faith with the Democrats that they must fool Americans by simulating agreement with normal people. The winner of the Democratic primary is always the candidate who does the best impersonation of an American. But then, after all their hard work making believe they’re into NASCAR and God, some Democrat invariably slips and lets us know it’s all a big fake-out. They’re like a gay guy trying to act straight who accidentally refers to Brad Pitt as “yummy!”” The fraud bowled a 37; heck, I could do that drunk and blindfolded. Hillary gets a pass from me today; I respect confession.
Hope you all noticed that Jim Wooten hit the big time yesterday. While the Drudge link a few months back drew a lot of traffic to the blog, Taranto’s (approving) essay on Jim’s “$1 bet” article got his work in front of movers and shakers. Congratulations, Jim. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120836044782519757.html (Item #3: “The Last Refuge”) Our bitter leftists won’t have anything good to say about it, but there is no greater honor than having one’s work cited approvingly by industry professionals.
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 17, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
American Presidents, with the possible exception of George Washington, have consistently lied to the American People. The nature of politics is such that the truth often must be dispensed with when it gets in the way of the political objectives and ambitions of the leaders in power.
The fact that Hillary Clinton admits that she lied (and Georgie Bush asserts that he doesn’t) does count for much in either case.
The sickening thing about this election (which has gone on entirely too d*mn long) is that none of the current candidates have much to offer in substance.
Hillary puts forth a litany of progressive proposals that will likely meet strong opposition (even among many Democrats) because of the restrictive nature on personal liberty that they entail.
Barack offers change. The problem is that the nature of the change he is offering is unclear. We are asked to purchase a *pig-in-a-poke.” I did that in 2000, when I voted for Georgie Bush. Man, but was I burned. Never, again!
John McCain’s foreign policy, given the stupid and incompetent way the Bush Administration has handle the War on Islamist Fanaticism and the Iraq War, is the correct course and probably about the best we can do in the short-term. His domestic policies, while generally more favorable than the Democrats, are lack-luster and show little creative thinking.
I hope I am wrong, but I don’t have a lot of optimism given the fact that our national government is run largely by political addicts, drunk on the power of office and convinced that they are entitled to permanent incumbency, while we, the people, keep returning the same pack of dogs to the Congress and the same type of leader to the White House, time after time, election after election.
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Your last “Poor Hillary” column, I hope?
She’s got her husband’s non-apology schtick down pat, at least. That schtick was so well attuned to the German Shepherd’s “Dictatorship of relativism” that, back in the day, every culpable junk-bond trader and red-faced televangelist and jailbird ballplayer used the disembodied-passive “It was a mistake” cheat to fill the space where the “I did wrong” part used to go.
That line of prevaricating circumlocution—-so quintessentially Clintonian that one no longer can tell it from a Clinton—-cleared the air of all blame and shame, and made any actual request for forgiveness as quaint as a parlor calling card. In it’s place, a solipsism: “I have forgiven myself.” Obama has the Clintons to thank for his license to injure the Church Universal—-to which he either does or else does not belong—-without ever having to acknowledge injury to anything other than his own prestige. Bill Clinton was the bridge that delivered us to a 21st Century that knows not of lies and so knows of naught else.
Barack Obama is so fatally proud—-of his frontrunner status, of his wife’s pride in him, of his Ivy League social diagnostics—-that he can’t even bring himself to ask a flock of sheep to forgive him. But you’re right, Jim, Hillary’s problem is not the same one. She’s not fatally proud. She’s fatally shameless.
By WBUSH News before Noon
April 17, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this
This early breaking story just in:
Ladies and Gentlemen. It gives me great joy to present to you the winner of the Democratic and Republican primaries: JOHN MCCAIN. Give him a big round of applause, folks.
Meanwhile, back in Crawford, one or more of the Bushes were overheard saying “Ron Paul is the only true conservative. Just don’t let anyone know that I said it.”
By Bootsie Amestoy
April 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
“In recent days, she’s launched television advertising there that refers to Obama’s God, guns and bigotry remark…”
“God, guns and bigotry” Mr. Wooten? That’s not how Obama prioritizes the litany. Guns before God, dear sir.
Guns before God.
By The good side
April 17, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Can someone on this blog tell me what is a war?
I thought when you fight a war world terms it is against another country.
We are fighting terrorism that we create! C,mon conservatives use your GOD given sense. Do you care about your grand kids? We are not even benefiting from the oil. Our troops are paying over 3 dollars a gallon.
Do you really believe that someone cannot come into this country thru Mexico?
I cannot believe the people in this country choose to be blind about our the Bush adminstration!
By One
April 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
Who cares??????? All of this nonsense is just a bunch of “smoke and mirrors” to try and distract us from the real issues!!
So Hillary lied several times…….and you’re trying to convince us that she didn’t realize it until several days/lies later. So she finally thought to stop and apologize…….I was just talking and talking and I didn’t know what I was saying! YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!
Really, in my opinion, Obama has my vote!! If he’s not on the ticket, I will NOT vote (as much as I want to!!) But I will not vote at all (who cares, let McCain have it) before I’ll vote for Hillary’s dumb/lying butt!!!!!!!! Really, who could stand up and cast stones after being embarrassed by your husband like she was………right in the same house, under her nose. She needs to go sit down somewhere!!!
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this
jbm,
Those are some deliciously ripe quotes you managed to glean from a huge media harvest of spoiled fruit. I may have to adopt Tom Sowell’s declaration.
By ron
April 17, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim,I can’t think of anything to say on this subject that I haven’t already said,so I’ll adjourn for today and come back on multi-faceted Friday.
By Spinocrat
April 17, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this
So how ‘bout them Braves?
By Truthifier
April 17, 2008 10:01 AM | Link to this
It is always interesting to me when I read that Hillary Clinton is a part of the left-wing of the Democratic Party. While a Democrat, I’m not a “leftist,” as our good friend jbmlaw prefers to call my more liberal brethren, but I think Mr. Wooten would be hard pressed to find a true died in the wool, left-wing Democrat would say that Hillary Clinton is their candidate. The fact is, the Senator from New York is just barely left of center. She is despised by many liberals for being too conservative.
I thought the debate was a wash. It probably reinforced whatever one already thought.
And for the record Mr. Wooten, many Democrats - liberal, moderate, and conservative - are good God fearing Christians. Many of them own guns as well!
By Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
April 17, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
By ron
April 17, 2008 9:54 AM
“Good morning Jim,I can’t think of anything to say on this subject that I haven’t already said.”
Yes. Well, ‘tis a pity that you said it then, isn’t it?
By munchi
April 17, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this
The “debate” moderators were horrendous. Nothing like a bunch of gotcha questions…Then, this a question from some woman (I thought maybe Dusty had gone prime time!)”I want to know if you believe in the American flag.” Good lord, what the hay! ABC should be ashamed of Steffie, and Gibson. What a waste of time. Nothing but a bunch of cheap shots that mean absolutely nothing…How about some questions concerning Iraq, or maybe the economy?
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this
Hiliary says she hasn’t seen any bitter people. She knows if someone gets in her face and tells her how they really feel the Secret Service will take care of them and they will never be seen again. Now she has changed her tune and said that Obama is electable. At first she thought that Obama was a joke now the joke is on her. Just like Brazil said, Hiliary needs to win Pennsylvania by at least 15%. It would not be fair for Obama to win all of these states and then because he loose by 3 or 5% with Pennsylvania he is out of it. No way.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this
Hiliary says she hasn’t seen any bitter people. She knows if someone gets in her face and tells her how they really feel the Secret Service will take care of them and they will never be seen again. Now she has changed her tune and said that Obama is electable. At first she thought that Obama was a joke now the joke is on her. Just like Brazil said, Hiliary needs to win Pennsylvania by at least 15%. It would not be fair for Obama to win all of these states and then because he loose by 3 or 5% with Pennsylvania he is out of it. No way.
By jbmlaw
April 17, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Dear Sir Bodsworth @ 10:02, I’m the only man who ever went to Hell and came back alive.
By Jim Jones
April 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this
I am amazed that a self confessed liar can be deemed to be Presidential ready. If we are ready to accept lying as a natural tendency of our political leaders, then we are getting what we deserve. People seem to forget that this lie was first told in December, then repeated twice more before the truth surfaced in March. The story isn’t important. The fact that she lied about something that was supposed to go to her experience and qualifications to be our President does. Early polls indicate most feel she “won” the debate. I am amazed!
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Truthifier, and many more of those live in Pennsylvania than in San Francisco.
By Michael Matthews
April 17, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Watching the first 50 minutes of the debate last night, it became clear to me that the only thing the moderators wanted to due was attack Barack’s character through association. And they may have succeeded. The pundits couldn’t possibly allow this freshman senator, the only African-American in the senate, waltz through the nomination process, filling campaign venue after venue with rock star status, and get to the Whitehouse without being dragged through the mud. No DUI, No drug convictions, only self-admitted personal usage in this youth, no extra marital affairs, no criminal record, only record of personal and profound achievement. Those attributes had to be brought down to earth, because there is no way on earth that a black man of intellect, charisma, integrity, and honesty, could be the president of this country. Every minority has had to endure the decisions made by past presidents and have been lied to just to protect their own legacies. If Obama does not win the nomination, and then the Whitehouse, we can expect the dollar to continue to fall, and world trade will be trading with every other country except the US. And at 12B a month in Iraq, we’ll be broke in four more years and it’ll take 100 years before American can again call itself a super power. Erosion starts from within, i.e. Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire!
By Michael Matthews
April 17, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Watching the first 50 minutes of the debate last night, it became clear to me that the only thing the moderators wanted to due was attack Barack’s character through association. And they may have succeeded. The pundits couldn’t possibly allow this freshman senator, the only African-American in the senate, waltz through the nomination process, filling campaign venue after venue with rock star status, and get to the Whitehouse without being dragged through the mud. No DUI, No drug convictions, only self-admitted personal usage in this youth, no extra marital affairs, no criminal record, only record of personal and profound achievement. Those attributes had to be brought down to earth, because there is no way on earth that a black man of intellect, charisma, integrity, and honesty, could be the president of this country. Every minority has had to endure the decisions made by past presidents and have been lied to just to protect their own legacies. If Obama does not win the nomination, and then the Whitehouse, we can expect the dollar to continue to fall, and world trade will be trading with every other country except the US. And at 12B a month in Iraq, we’ll be broke in four more years and it’ll take 100 years before America can again call itself a super power. Erosion starts from within, i.e. Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire!
By Truthifier
April 17, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Probably so Glenn, but I don’t recall Hillary Clinton having any big news out of San Francisco recently.
By ND
April 17, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this
Yeah, the guy who grew up on welfare in a single parent home is such an elitist. How can he possibly be in touch with the common man.
By Jeff
April 17, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this
As has been said, there is no conservative running.
Therefore, I will vote for a conservative.
We saw (in 2000) what happens when conservatives vote for the ‘lesser of two evils’.
Never again.
And btw: That doesn’t just go for the Presidential election. That goes for EVERY election, from local Dog Catcher to President of the Universe.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Right on Michael. The media headlines still have not read “Hiliary is a liar”. Will this make her president . It will because Richard Nixon stood in front of the American Flag (since they want to see flags) and said I am not a crook. Clinton stood in front of the flag also and pointed his finger and said “I did not have sex with that woman”. History will just be repeating himself.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
Right on Michael. The media headlines still have not read “Hiliary is a liar”. Will this make her president . It will because Richard Nixon stood in front of the American Flag (since they want to see flags) and said I am not a crook. Clinton stood in front of the flag also and pointed his finger and said “I did not have sex with that woman”. History will just be repeating himself.
By Oh the irony....
April 17, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
What’s really ironic is that everyone is debating who is and is not an elitist, when the current President is the grandson of a US Senator and son of a US Congressman, Ambassador, Vice President and President.
By Joe Blow
April 17, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Anytime a Republican is interested in the Democrats race and candidates, it becomes very clear that the Republicans do not have a viable candidate capable of winning the General Elections. The Republicans that are pulling for Hillary to win are the same Republicans that roasted her on a daily when she was in the White House That includes you too Jim,Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity….
By Joe Blow
April 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Anytime a Republican is interested in the Democrats race and candidates, it becomes very clear that the Republicans do not have a viable candidate capable of winning the General Elections. The Republicans that are pulling for Hillary to win are the same Republicans that roasted her on a daily basis when she was in the White House That includes you too Jim,Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity….
By Joe Blow
April 17, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Anytime a Republican is interested in the Democrats race and candidates, it becomes very clear that the Republicans do not have a viable candidate capable of winning the General Elections. The Republicans that are pulling for Hillary to win are the same Republicans that roasted her on a daily basis when she was in the White House That includes you too Jim,Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity….
By Copyleft
April 17, 2008 10:56 AM | Link to this
You heard it right here from Wooten’s own words, folks: “Middle America” needs to take a look at who REALLY respects them and looks out for their interests.
Now go choose which millionaire lawyer with extensive lobbying and corporate connections fits the bill.
Jeez, Wooten, this is just sad….
By Ron
April 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this
She admitted that she lied about Bosnia ? What have you been smoking…..? The only admission she made is that she should get more sleep before she makes another statement like that. Was last night’s debate supposed to be a joke or did it just turn out that way because of the incompetent moderators ? Charlie Gibson and George ( can’t enough of those good years that I worked for the Clintons ) Stephanoupolis. How can McCain possibly lose this election. He has such a commanding grasp of economical issues . His way to fix the problem of soaring gas prices is ” Let’s give the people a tax holiday.” I am afraid that it is John McCain who needs a holiday
By Carbon Footprint
April 17, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
Hannity is on a loop of material about Obama. His repeated mantra is Pingate, Pastorgate, and Bittergate.
(Heh heh, he said pastorgate)
Nixon had Watergate, Saturday Night Massacregate, and Tapegate.
(Heh heh, he said Massacregate.)
Napolean had Waterloogate, Elbagate, and ….aw, why dig this one out? you get the bit.
By Michael Matthews
April 17, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
Watching the first 50 minutes of the debate last night, it became clear to me that the only thing the moderators wanted to due was attack Barack’s character through association. And they may have succeeded. The pundits couldn’t possibly allow this freshman senator, the only African-American in the senate, waltz through the nomination process, filling campaign venue after venue with rock star status, and get to the Whitehouse without being dragged through the mud. No DUI, No drug convictions, only self-admitted personal usage in this youth, no extra marital affairs, no criminal record, only record of personal and profound achievement. Those attributes had to be brought down to earth, because there is no way on earth that a black man of intellect, charisma, integrity, and honesty, could be the president of this country. Every minority has had to endure the decisions made by past presidents and have been lied to just to protect their own legacies. If Obama does not win the nomination, and then the Whitehouse, we can expect the dollar to continue to fall, and world trade will be trading with every other country except the US. And at 12B a month in Iraq, we’ll be broke in four more years and it’ll take 100 years before America can again call itself a super power. Erosion starts from within, i.e. Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire!
By Fulton
April 17, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Here’s the deal folks. Our educational AND political systems both need to be re-vamped, quick, fast and in a hurry. Blind party allegiances will not resolve any of our issues. Until Americans come together and realize, we’re all in the same boat, the same problems will continue to escalate in all areas (gas prices, housing mess, failing test scores, etc). Pointing fingers and sticking with your guy (or gal) will not improve your personal situation; the first step is a change of consciousness. Wake up people…
By CJ
April 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Link to this
Gibson, Stephanopoulos and ABC “News” embarrassed themselves last night. Brit Hume, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Fox News couldn’t have topped the right-wing freak show put on by the moderators last night.
Disgraceful!
By TW
April 17, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
So, this is life without conservativism.
The question is this - did the keepers of the vital conservative voice have any idea that their irresponsible behavior was going to lead to the enormous liberal wave we are about to endure?
The Republican party’s best bet is to push loose of the current failure and redefine. The election in question is 2012.
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Fulton,
You made sense. Right here. On this blog. In front of everybody.
Now put on the pointy hat and go sit in the corner.
By Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
April 17, 2008 11:47 AM | Link to this
Greetings to the one called jbmlaw:
Klaatu barada nikto.
By deegee
April 17, 2008 11:49 AM | Link to this
If you consider that all major public opinion polls show that the American people disapprove of the Iraq war in all aspects by roughly a 65% - 35% margin, then where is this middle America that is so turned off by the Democratic message?
By Lily Toad
April 17, 2008 11:53 AM | Link to this
If Jim thinks Hillary is “left-wing” he doesn’t have a clue what left wing is. My objection to Sen. Clinton is her centrist politics, pandering to everyone, and her vote for the Iraq war. Unforgiveable.
By George Washington
April 17, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Obama and hillary both have thier problems, with mccain as the alternative. The problem with mccain is that he is a weak old man not well educated or experienced, and therefore easily led by others, just like the Chimp. Do we want four more years of incopetence in the white house, draining what remains of american wealth and reputation? Lieberswine will be calling the foreign policy shots for mccain, and you know what he and his ilk will do. Oh yeah, I stand by my words of yesterday, Israel really did sell us back our old ammunition at four times the going market price, and the excuses about hebrew markings on the new stuff is just a cover up…Actually, we American taxpayers paid for the Israeli factory that makes the M-16 ammunition that has hebrew markings, and we pay for the raw materials…Heck, we pay for most everything in Israel.
By The good side
April 17, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
We are in trouble!
We are stirring the American voters who are frustated and disappointed in their Government by trying to paint a broad bush that a presidential candidate is guilty by association. This is our chance to really be proud of our president!
Yet the pundits or elistist is counting on your frustation and clinging to the issues that do not count in this race. Guns are everywhere, religion is everywhere does that have anything to do with the economy!
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
TW, you’re lumping. The “keepers of the conservative voice” kept it to themselves while incoherent moderate policy took over. It’s not going to cause a symmetric reaction because it’s just hodgepodgism—-which is to say that it really isn’t an “-ism” at all.
I (and, I suspect, you as well) would greatly prefer radicalism to this ad hoc improvisational governance, but it started way back in 1989 and it won’t end with McCain, who is just a living palimpsest with nothing to impart to anyone except to tell our adversaries not to mess with us.
In the history of U.S. leadership we’ve had three long runs of mediocrity, most disastrously in the antebellum period. This is the third, and it won’t end in January. So when it becomes evident that it won’t end without hard oppositional work, perhaps then it will dawn on the Left and the Right that they both are screwed by the Middle and ought therefore to work together on The New.
I know you’d like to see the Republicans repudiated, but they are not synonymous with conservatives and have been proving the point, to my consternation, for years. You feel repudiated by them. So do we conservatives feel hosed. McCain’s not going to last more than four years, and in the meantime the Peeps have got to knock it off with acting all appraising and finicky at the rag rack, as though they were buying clothing that’s worth a damn, when both parties are in tatters and the Peeps haven’t done enough homework and gotten saavy enough to know what good tailoring is. (It would be my dept. that’s to blame for that.)
The Republican Party ought to teach conservatism and the Democratic Party ought to teach democracy. Then the People will be able to choose from among good, honest, strong garments that will last.
By dette
April 17, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
don’t vote for some who don’t belive
By Carbon Footprint
April 17, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
Obama 08. Landslide. Because Obama is the first teflon president. Nixon and Clinton destroyed the oval office’s institutional cache. Voters are using a sixth sense, immune from Rushannity’s propaganda. Voters are using an internal compass. It point to the Prince of the West: Obama.
By dette
April 17, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
don’t vote for some who don’t belive, in God. obama is the devil under cover he say’s one word everybody beliving him sometimes the man look down when he is talking no straight face watch him he works with rich people who don’t reside in small towns.
By dette
April 17, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
don’t vote for some who don’t belive, in God. obama is the devil under cover he say’s one word everybody beliving him sometimes the man look down when he is talking no straight face watch him he works with rich people who don’t reside in small towns.
By Lily Toad
April 17, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Whether or not someone believes in God has nothing to do with his/her ability to be a good President. Just love the Christian Bush’s condemnation of moral relativism. “Do not kill” except for capital punishment or war. Talk about moral relativism!
By George Washington
April 17, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
Hey, I don’t believe in god, but then again I don’t believe in Jim Woodenhead either, or Apple Pie, the Girl next door, or America….So What?
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this
Well dette I guess that means we’ll all be voting for Ron Paul. Next time I’d like to see one party or the other nominate a comfortable Agnostic. “You know, somebody who could say, I’m very interested in the religious vibrancy in this country, in spite of—-or perhaps because of—-my being agnostic myslef.”
I feel sure that were such a candidate also an able leader, the religious candor wouldn’t kill the candidacy. But it would give permission to the other, less honest, candidates to knock it off with their phony Christian schticks simply because they wouldn’t need them any longer.
Church would be better off, and so would State be.
By Peggy McGilligan
April 17, 2008 12:59 PM | Link to this
Hillary frames the debate as if both she and Obama said things that weren’t true. Barack says his words got mangled, but not his meaning, it happens. Hillary says she out and out lied, it happens. So, they’re even. His was a faux pas, a social blunder, to which he admits. On the other hand she tells blatant falsehoods, gets caught by the most powerful evidence there is, next to DNA evidence, but continues to lie. Her husband gets into the act, by lying about the lying. Making them both big fat liars. She finally says okay, I lied. The dialogue centers on Iraq … who’s the better bowler, who’s got the balls, etc. Incidentally, no one is a worse bowler than Hillary. Overlooked however, is Hillary’s dishonesty, a fact not in dispute. Overlooked, Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior that goes back farther, and goes much deeper than anyone realizes: http://theseedsof9-11.com
By lyle
April 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Belief in God is not the issue, even the devil himself believes in and knows more about God than most of us!Its having faith to believe that what God has told is the truth. God is incapable of lies, and the truth is not relevant.
By lyle
April 17, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this
Belief in God is not the issue, even the devil himself believes in and knows more about God than most of us!Its having faith to believe that what God has told is the truth. God is incapable of lies, and the truth is not relevant.
By Fulton
April 17, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
My bad, Glenn. Trying to be sensible on a blog is not following the correct protocol, I don’t know what came over me. I guess I’ll go back to ‘slicing and dicing’ as the pundits seem to prefer. Yeah, that’ll fix it…;-)
By Jeff
April 17, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Lily:
How about you get a more comprehensive view of the Bible rather than spouting off a verse or two?
Do you not know that in the Israeli conquest of Palestine, by and large they were told to kill every single living thing?
Or how about the fact that David first came on the Israeli radar for killing Goliath?
Or how about the fact that the Israelis were instructed to kill various animals as atonement for sin?
Or, the most important: How about the fact that the Son of God was killed as the FINAL atonement for sin?
‘Do not kill’ is fine and dandy, but it aint all the Bible says about the subject.
By getalife
April 17, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Obama lied and got his butt kicked.
“Obama asked to explain his association with radical Weather Underground bomber William Ayers:
Obama association with William Ayers, a radical activist who, as a member of the Weather Underground, planted bombs, got further attention during the debate. Ayers is on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, where Obama also served. Obama was asked to explain his relationship with Ayers, including why he’d attended a political event in 1995 at Ayers’ home.”
Just a neighbor eh?
He does like to hang out with radicals.
By songbird
April 17, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
dette - your grammar and spelling tell me you are an uneducated twit.
By Carbon Footprint
April 17, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
How about the real issue: the inflation treadmill that feeds on itself like a perpetual motion machine. Higher energy prices lead to higher food prices, then we use food to make energy leading to higher everything. We are subsidizing this cycle, which is the energy we pour into the machine to make it go.
Is there no way to stop this inflation machine?
The problem is now a triple whammy: higher energy higher food and slowing growth.
of course the war in iraq has absolutely nothing to do with this at all.
By Lily Toad
April 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Whether or not someone believes in God has nothing to do with his/her ability to be a good President. Just love the Christian Bush’s condemnation of moral relativism. “Do not kill” except for capital punishment or war. Talk about moral relativism!
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
SunTrust outsourcing 1500 jobs. Thank you the Clintons, excuse me I mean NAFTA. Yall worried about a red/white/blue flag pin. I bet whoever signed off on that deal, signed off with a RED pen on WHITE paper and had on a BLUE suit. How American is that. I want Hiliary to come as ask these people are they bitter since so far in the election she said that she hasn’t seen any bitter people.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
SunTrust outsourcing 1500 jobs. Thank you the Clintons, excuse me I mean NAFTA. Yall worried about a red/white/blue flag pin. I bet whoever signed off on that deal, signed off with a RED pen on WHITE paper and had on a BLUE suit. How American is that. I want Hiliary to come as ask these people are they bitter since so far in the election she said that she hasn’t seen any bitter people.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
SunTrust outsourcing 1500 jobs. Thank you the Clintons, excuse me I mean NAFTA. Yall worried about a red/white/blue flag pin. I bet whoever signed off on that deal, signed off with a RED pen on WHITE paper and had on a BLUE suit. How American is that. I want Hiliary to come as ask these people are they bitter since so far in the election she said that she hasn’t seen any bitter people.
By hotlanta
April 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this
SunTrust outsourcing 1500 jobs. Thank you the Clintons, excuse me I mean NAFTA. Yall worried about a red/white/blue flag pin. I bet whoever signed off on that deal, signed off with a RED pen on WHITE paper and had on a BLUE suit. How American is that. I want Hiliary to come as ask these people are they bitter since so far in the election she said that she hasn’t seen any bitter people.
By Dusty
April 17, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Oh fussbudgets & flakes today…except.. for our very own Jim Wooten who has graciously adorned the WSJ with his worthy words.(And… thank you, jbmlaw, for pointing that out.)
But let us not overly mention Taranto’s compliments to Jim in the WSJ. Before you know it, Jim’s byline will be from the WSJand we can’t have that. OH..the horror of ONLY Tucker & Bookman..eeeyiii!!
Now back to the slicing, dicing and spicing of Hil & Bababama. I didn’t see the “last” debate. That’s it? Oh well, obviously, nothing new in newsland.
Now flip flop to Taranto & WSJ. Did anyone notice that Taranto quoted Samuel Johnson, one of my favorites? I am in the process of reading once more, Boswell’s intriguing biography of Johnson. I love those old guys!! They were eloquent in their simplicity (even without AARP!!!)
By Lily Toad
April 17, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
So, Jeff, your Biblical examples show moral relativism even in the Bible. So where do the Pope and Bush get off on condemning moral relativism?
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:01 PM | Link to this
Did you see the debate last night?
If you did, you saw more gotcha politics and distractions than questions about the pressing issues affecting our country.
In fact, it took more than 45 minutes before Barack was asked about the economy, health care, or foreign policy.
Regrettably, Senator Clinton seemed all too comfortable with that type of debate. She’s running a 100% negative campaign in Pennsylvania, taking every opportunity to make personal and discredited attacks against Senator Obama.
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Senator Clinton’s false, negative attacks are exactly the kind of say-anything, do-anything politics that the American people are tired of.
That’s why polls show that the majority of Americans think she’s running the most negative campaign, and 58% of voters do not find her honest or trustworthy.
Barack Obama wants to end the politics of division and distraction in Washington so we can bring about real change for ordinary Americans.
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By Glenn
April 17, 2008 2:02 PM | Link to this
You might dare to julienne once in awhile, Fulton, as long as you don’t cut any valid distinctions (vide the hip-hop exegesis, supra.)
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this
ABC News moderators Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos seemed to be playing a game of gotcha at last night’s candidates’ debate. (By Matt Rourke — Associated Press) By Tom Shales Thursday, April 17, 2008; Page C01
When Barack Obama met Hillary Clinton for another televised Democratic candidates’ debate last night, it was more than a step forward in the 2008 presidential election. It was another step downward for network news — in particular ABC News, which hosted the debate from Philadelphia and whose usually dependable anchors, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, turned in shoddy, despicable performances.
This Story Obama Pressed in Pa. Debate In Pa. Debate, The Clear Loser Is ABC The Fix: Keystone Kerfuffle: First Thoughts The Fact Checker: Pennsylvania Democratic Debate Candidate Profile: Barack Obama For the first 52 minutes of the two-hour, commercial-crammed show, Gibson and Stephanopoulos dwelled entirely on specious and gossipy trivia that already has been hashed and rehashed, in the hope of getting the candidates to claw at one another over disputes that are no longer news. Some were barely news to begin with. The fact is, cable networks CNN and MSNBC both did better jobs with earlier candidate debates. Also, neither of those cable networks, if memory serves, rushed to a commercial break just five minutes into the proceedings, after giving each candidate a tiny, token moment to make an opening statement. Cable news is indeed taking over from network news, and merely by being competent.
Gibson sat there peering down at the candidates over glasses perched on the end of his nose, looking prosecutorial and at times portraying himself as a spokesman for the working class. Blunderingly he addressed an early question, about whether each would be willing to serve as the other’s running mate, “to both of you,” which is simple ineptitude or bad manners. It was his job to indicate which candidate should answer first. When, understandably, both waited politely for the other to talk, Gibson said snidely, “Don’t all speak at once.”
For that matter, the running-mate question that Gibson made such a big deal over was decidedly not a big deal — especially since Wolf Blitzer asked it during a previous debate televised and produced by CNN.
The boyish Stephanopoulos, who has done wonders with the network’s Sunday morning hour, “This Week” (as, indeed, has Gibson with the nightly “World News”), looked like an overly ambitious intern helping out at a subcommittee hearing, digging through notes for something smart-alecky and slimy. He came up with such tired tripe as a charge that Obama once associated with a nutty bomb-throwing anarchist. That was “40 years ago, when I was 8 years old,” Obama said with exasperation.
Obama was right on the money when he complained about the campaign being bogged down in media-driven inanities and obsessiveness over any misstatement a candidate might make along the way, whether in a speech or while being eavesdropped upon by the opposition. The tactic has been to “take one statement and beat it to death,” he said.
No sooner was that said than Gibson brought up, yet again, the controversial ravings of the pastor at a church attended by Obama. “Charlie, I’ve discussed this,” he said, and indeed he has, ad infinitum. If he tried to avoid repeating himself when clarifying his position, the networks would accuse him of changing his story, or changing his tune, or some other baloney.
This is precisely what has happened with widely reported comments that Obama made about working-class people “clinging” to religion and guns during these times of cynicism about their federal government.
“It’s not the first time I made a misstatement that was mangled up, and it won’t be the last,” said Obama, with refreshing candor. But candor is dangerous in a national campaign, what with network newsniks waiting for mistakes or foul-ups like dogs panting for treats after performing a trick. The networks’ trick is covering an election with as little emphasis on issues as possible, then blaming everyone else for failing to focus on “the issues.”
Some news may have come out of the debate (ABC News will pretend it did a great job on today’s edition of its soppy, soap-operatic “Good Morning America”). Asked point-blank if she thought Obama could defeat presumptive Republican contender John McCain in the general election, Clinton said, “Yes, yes, yes,” in apparent contrast to previous remarks in which she reportedly told other Democrats that Obama could never win. And in turn, Obama said that Clinton could “absolutely” win against McCain.
To this observer, ABC’s coverage seemed slanted against Obama. The director cut several times to reaction shots of such Clinton supporters as her daughter, Chelsea, who sat in the audience at the Kimmel Theater in Philly’s National Constitution Center. Obama supporters did not get equal screen time, giving the impression that there weren’t any in the hall. The director also clumsily chose to pan the audience at the very start of the debate, when the candidates made their opening statements, so Obama and Clinton were barely seen before the first commercial break.
At the end, Gibson pompously thanked the candidates — or was he really patting himself on the back? — for “what I think has been a fascinating debate.” He’s entitled to his opinion, but the most fascinating aspect was waiting to see how low he and Stephanopoulos would go, and then being appalled at the answer.
By Willie
April 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
As a registered democrat, I have not had a good candidate to vote for since FDR and I was not even born then. Why do the DemoNcrats keep giving us these liberal socialists who are anti American. Regardless of how John McCain gets elected, he is the better choice. Wake up democrats and take back your party!
By Lily Toad
April 17, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this
Socialists???? Ha, Ha! Corporate-owned candidates who can’t even propose a health care plan without insurance companies are socialists??
By Dusty
April 17, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
Oh, Devastator is such a big help. We can cure all our political problems by donating to Obama’s campaign. With a cure like that, illness is better.
Will you ‘wreck religion’ guys please run over to the OPINION blog? Folks are over there having happy time with the athiests. You should join them.
But..here’s news from DOT. Chairman of the Board Evans resigns BECAUSE he wants to be more than friends with Gena Abraham!!! Awww, even Cupid is messing up congestion at the Department of Traffic and Close Alliances. If this works out, Gena & Ev can honeymoon on MARTA..the only thing that will be moving.
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
If you want to give to Obama, then go ahead and do so. Stop fighting it by fighting me. Its ok.
By Carbon Footprint
April 17, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Where is 911?
Wooten and the new conservative movement have forgotten about 911. I was so BITTER after 911 that the temptation to vigilante a mosque was overwhelming. But, in my stupified grief, I let our system handle it. I listened to Bush, who seemed like Lincoln when he spoke and comforted me.
Bush was the greatest president in our history in the immediate wake of 911. I felt patriotism. I felt conservatism. I felt war.
I liked his plan: get those terrorists and those who harbor those terrorists. The first time I heard the name Al Queda was from young George Bush’s lips. His plan was solid: Afghanistan. Osama and Al Queda.
The question is not where is Osama Bin Laden. The question is where is 911 now? Is there room in the new conservative platform for 911? Iraq is the foundation of the new conservatism. Support the war, and you can be a member.
I support our presense in Iraq by default. I am the only American to realize that we are trapped there, and Obama cant get us out. Neither can Hillary. Neither can Osama. It’s not like Japan or N. Korea or Germany. Iraq trapped us, as if Adam and Eve trapped God in the garden of eden, instead of being bannished by God.
Notice how nothing really happens in Iraq. We’re just there. Live camera video of baghdad shows a very bustling city. People just getting to work, having babys, and praising God. There’s not an evolving story really, it’s just our army, milling around aimlessly, smothering any combative advantage for any warring faction. We are trapped because we cant uncover the smoldering war, lest it ignite too quick and consume us.
Our country might disappear into that smoke.
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer Thu Apr 17, 4:37 AM ET
Barack Obama wants to make sure that voters do, even if it was 16 years ago that Hillary Rodham Clinton created an uproar when she sniffed that she could have given up her career and “stayed home, baked cookies and had teas.”
While Clinton brought up the problems Obama could face in a general election if he’s nominated, Obama used a two-hour debate Wednesday night to remind Americans what they don’t like about his opponent and her husband, Bill, the former president. Both candidates argued they were tough enough to withstand whatever Republicans try to use against them.
Obama raised President Clinton’s controversial pardons on his last day in office. And he wanted Americans to know that Hillary Clinton repeatedly called him names in the past few days.
The point was to tie Clinton to the divisive politics of the past at a time when a new poll shows that a majority of voters view her as dishonest. The loss of voters’ trust comes as Clinton has been attacking Obama for comments he made recently about Pennsylvania voters who “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter” about the economy — statements that he maintains he mangled.
“During the course of the last few days, you know, she’s said I’m elitist, out of touch, condescending,” Obama said.
“You take one person’s statement, if it’s not properly phrased, and you just beat it to death,” he added. “And that’s what Senator Clinton’s been doing over the last four days.”
Despite the signs that her criticisms may be backfiring, Clinton did not pull her punches against Obama. Yet she tried to soften the blows by delivering them in polite tones and often with a smile. She said his “bitter” comments demonstrated a misunderstanding of religion in people’s lives. And she said he has other weaknesses that could hurt him in the general election — his relationship with a controversial pastor and 1960s radical William Ayers.
“I’ve been in this arena for a long time,” Clinton said. “I have a lot of baggage, and everybody has rummaged through it for years. And so, therefore, I have an opportunity to come to this campaign with a very strong conviction and feeling that I will be able to withstand whatever the Republicans send our way.”
Obama wanted to make sure voters remembered some of that baggage, but he also raised it in measured tones. He used sympathetic terms in bringing up the cookie quote that led critics to label Clinton as some sort of ultra-feminist.
“She has gone through this,” Obama said. “I recall when, back in 1992, when she made a statement about how, what do you expect, should I be at home baking cookies? And people attacked her for being elitist and this and that. And I remember watching that on TV and saying, `Well, that’s not who she is. That’s not what she believes. That’s not what she meant.’
“And I think Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson from it because she’s adopting the same tactics,” Obama said.
Clinton said she was concerned about Obama’s association with Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground who Clinton pointed out said in an interview published on Sept. 11, 2001, that he didn’t regret bombing government buildings. Obama quickly responded that Clinton’s husband pardoned one member of Weather Underground and commuted the sentence of another.
“Look, there is no doubt that the Republicans will attack either of us,” Obama said. “What I’ve been able to display during the course of this primary is that I can take a punch. I’ve taken some pretty good ones from Senator Clinton.”
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this
Nah, Mr. Toad, not socialists, just wannabes who fell for their Neo-Marxist mentors back when that sort of crap was the height of academic fashion and students who could deadpan the “Internationale” were praised and promoted. They’re just reliving the good old days when others marveled at the clever talking parrots that young Barack and Hillary still are.
By Dusty
April 17, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this
Dear Devastator@2:23
I will be glad to send YOU a dollar is you would stop reprinting every Osama-is-great article you run across. (Like your 2:34.) Is Obama running out of money and this is the best you Dems can do? Dousing us with FREE propaganda and asking for donations? Drip!!
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Don’t worry. You’ll see why we do what we do when we rescue America from the past in Novemeber!
By Devastator
April 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Keep turning up the HEAT on ABC… New Info Hotlist by Billary Redux [Subscribe] Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 10:23:25 AM PDT
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Also: dial 818-460-7477 press 2 then 6 then 639
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Thank you, every one of you, even the one’s who laughed during the day, for reading and rec’in. Though we didn’t have an impact on the debate, the Record has been recorded and those in the media know what went down today. Below is the history of how we saw the Okie-Dokie coming a mile away and how a network Subverted Democracy. President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License. Tonight’s debate will be moderated in part by ABC News Political Director, and former Clinton War Room lieutenant, George Stephanopoulos. Yesterday, George was documented conspiring with TWO Right Wing Blowhards against Obama. Expect a GOTCHA tonight, and ahead of that, We need to let ABC News know we are watching … If this is his standard, why not let Cheney Moderate the debate, or McCain even!
To put it bluntly, should a Former Clinton Official be the one asking GOP questions to Barack Tonight?!?
George spent time yesterday taking Notes on Sean Hannity’s Show
ABC contacted UIC for a photo of Ayers to be used tonight. Granted, this may be simply for the sake of having it on hand, but it seemed pretty clear that it IS going to be coming up in the debate.
By getalife
April 17, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
Yeah, hold ABC accountable but give w and cheney a free pass. Too bad all debates are not on MSNBC, huh?
Whiners. It was a great debate, a taste of the general, if you will.
The Obama supporters actually think the gop and corporate media will hand over power without a fight.
Need a fighter not a whiner.
By Frederick Douglass
April 17, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
America has taken tremendous body blows in the past eight years under Republican leadership. Because of deceptive tactics,lies, prejudice, and innuendo a truly gifted young leader is going to get slighted, and denied the chance to start us on a course of healing. In the interim, we’re going to be stuck with an antiquated version of what we already have, what a shame.
By Dusty
April 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this
Devastator @2:53
I and many others would show appreciation if you would RESCUE the Demo led Congress which stays in deep trouble because of it’s sorry leadership. All we need, besides that, is a Democratic President as uninformed and spineless as Obama.
Don’t day dream about Obama. Start NOW with Congress & Pelosi & Reid. Then work on those Dem senators who insult out leading general in Iraq, our ambassador,the President, our Sec. of State and any other Republican they can spot. They postpone votes on the Colombian Trade Agreement which would aid us and our South American ally. Democrats do such things to hurt President Bush not even caring that it hurts the USA. And you want a DEMOCRATIC President??? You want to bring back the “successful Democrat” Jimmy Carter in the form of Obama. Disaster!!
By Rev. Wright
April 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
I’m so proud of my boy Obama! He sat in my church, listened to my sermons, I married he and Michelle, and baptised their babies. I keep getting harped on for preaching that America deserved 9/11. Big deal! Is that so bad? Obviously not, because Obama sat in my church and didn’t disown me when it became public. In fact, I bet my boy agrees with me! With leadership like that, we can’t go wrong!
Hillary… shame on her for lying about Bosnia. True, she went to an otherwise hostile land when she didn’t have to go, but she wasn’t fired upon.
Obama and his lobbyists… boy have I taught you nothing? Obama claims that he takes no money from corporations (accurate, but corporations are forbidden from making direct contributions, so he bragging about doing something every candidate does). He better watch it! The list of his contributors includes partners from 18 top law firms, 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies.
With all the best, I say to you “GD America”! And that’s caught on tape!
Love, Rev. Wright
By Glenn
April 17, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
Ambassador Douglass,
Your prediction, sadly, is in my estimation prescient. The “tactics” of which you speak are not the province of any particular camp.
By Carbon Footprint
April 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
Obama/Hillary: Something unexpected popped into the mix last night. It occurred unnoticed because the bittergate and snipergate fireworks offset the rhythm of the nation’s ten-second attention span.
It was about 45 minutes into the broadcast, when a seemingly harmless question was asked, yet, it had the effect of spotlighting a story that could send the election to the Supreme Court before November.
It involves an area of our national security so sensitive that only a stumbling milquetoast like Charlie Gibson could have waded into it. If there had been alert censors, then the next three minutes would have been blacked out.
For reasons of national security I wont divulge what I’ve deduced from the exchange, only let this serve as a warning to all filibustering comments on this blog: I can prattle on just as pointlessly as you can.
By Skeptic Tank
April 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
You folks never cease to amuse me. You are embracing a Republican candidate who only a few weeks ago was the subject of your scorn. The difference is, he was still being challenged by other, more conservative, candidates. Now that you’re stuck with a stinker, you’re pretending to choose “the lesser of three evils”. It’s so much easier to vent your spleens on the Democrats. Truth is, McCain is more liberal than Hillary…and about as ideologically trustworthy. You’re proving the true independents right: you’d support anything that ends in a -R.
By Olandug
April 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Obama spells doom for this country. Not only because of his dubious affiliations with mob members like Rezko and criminals like Auchi, but because of his lack of experience and bias education especially his bizarre religious affiliations. He is like silly putty; able to change his ideas for the public as needed so as to achieve his goal as supreme leader.
His intentions are unclear, but his affiliations are clear. Being surrou