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DEL.ICIO.USSurprise! Obama talks himself into trouble.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
For some time I’ve believed that Barack Obama would talk himself into trouble — and out of the White House. The weekend brouhaha concerning his remarks at a closed San Francisco fund-raiser a week earlier is an example of the trouble he’s apt to buy whenever he starts winging it.
He was explaining working-class voters in Pennsylvania reacting to economic conditions. Said Obama, as reported by The Huffington Post:
“It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama tried Saturday to quiet the criticism. “If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that,” he said in North Carolina.
Obama’s views, which are as Hillary Clinton said Sunday, elitist, reflect those of a guy who’s lived his adult life in a liberal cocoon. When you listen to the liberal elite describe America, it’s hard to like the nation they see. It’s evil and predatory, a nation composed of the unenlightened and embittered, a populace seething with rage, drugged on religion and talk radio, unable to adjust to a changing world they — we — can’t comprehend.
It’s what you sense when you listen to Obama’s preacher, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, describe America.
Call me old fashion, but I want a president who gets a tingle when the Stars and Stripes pass, who drives through working-class communities of Pennsylvania and marvels at the resilience of struggling families pulling together and through difficult times. I want him to see families whose sons and daughters march off to war out of a sense of duty and for love of country, not because they’ve been tricked or have no other options. I want him to see them, the men and women in uniform, not as heroes and certainly not as victims, but as patriots answering the call of a country they know is worth defending.
I want Barack Obama, if he does become President, to see something in the working class communities of Pennsylvania that he does not now.
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By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Wooten predicted that a candidate in a 2 year long presidential campaign would spark controversy with remarks made at a Q and A?
He’s friggin Jeanne Dixon herself!
Obama 08. Y landslide? Cause we have to bury the past, it stinks that bad.
By HIDT
April 14, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this
My uber insightful father-in-law back around Christmas floated the idea that McCain could emerge as the GOP nominee. He looked like a longshot back then.
Conservatives and libertarians could not have asked for a better Democratic primary season. They eliminated their most electable candidate early and the more they yap, the more the remaining two are revealed to be unfit for the office.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this
Point of order: Uber is an adjective, not an adverb.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this
Prediction about the GOP in November? Yeah, I have a prediction: Pain!
By Toopster
April 14, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
My question is why can’t the dems see this crackpot for what he is, a fast talking neophtye not qualified for the job that he is applying for. If it weren’t for the media adoration, this would have been brought to light long before this, he’s a pompous, elitist jackass. If he wins the election, trust me, these days under Bush will seem like the good old days.
By jbmlaw
April 14, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. This may be a good day for a conservative to be quiet and listen to our leftist friends justify the hate speech. (OK, maybe not “hate” but certainly “look down his nose” disparaging speech.) I suppose we all expected John “Madman” McCain to famously ride the straight-talk express into some problems with candor. Unlike Jim, I thought Obama would keep his agenda hidden until after the election.
So the cat is out of the bag. He is a conventional socialist, who sees problems with people who actually believe they have Constitutional rights worthy of respect (2nd Amendment and 1st Amendment.) The “anti-immigrant” language does not particularly surprise me – he is doing badly among Hispanics, and as a free-immigrationist myself I am not offended by anyone pandering for that vote. The “anti-trade” wording hits me as odd, weirdly different from the other phrases.
Obama’s campaign recoiled from an advisor’s comments in Canada, that Canadians should not take seriously any suggestion that Obama would wish to renegotiate NAFTA, and his campaign highlighted the work of (Hillary’s) Mark Penn for the Columbian Free Trade Agreement, which any sane person would support. These words tend to suggest he is now backing away from the anti-trade position he struck earlier, which is encouraging. Perhaps he talked with his economist, and discovered that the two things that made the Great Depression so great were (1) Smoot-Hawley, and (2) Hoover’s tax increases. If we hear Obama come out in favor of renewal of the Bush tax cuts, we will know he has the capacity, and just requires a little time to learn.
By HIDT
April 14, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this
Point of order: If you did not understand my post because of an error – good. I hate you and do not wish to communicate with you.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this
What the voters see is Hillary pouncing like a rabid cat. And listen to what she’s saying about the Pennsylvanians she describes. Ditto Wooten’s america that he describes in his piece today. It’s like they both took a course in ann landers political bromides 101 from the back of a book of matches, “i see nice americans with nice hats and nice shoes. It’s nice being nice to the nice.”
Obama’s remarks came from a question that itself implied that things aren’t nice in Pennsyvania. What was he supposed to say, “LIAR! Things are nice! NOW STFU or I’ll have you waterboarded for asking a question that only a traitor would ask.”
Wooten, you truly R a ridiculous man. The Prime of Miss Jean Brody.
By ron
April 14, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
Good morning,I don’t cling to guns and religion.I just happen to think that the Second Amendment is an important part of the Constitution.One I don’t want to give up on.France missed a good thing when they didn’t get Obama.He would fit right in with their type of government.He is sitting so far to the left on the fence that Jane Fonda has a good view of him.
By Aaron
April 14, 2008 9:37 AM | Link to this
Barry-O loves the sound of his own voice. The second he’s called to account for his remarks, he tries to explain with “YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING IS TRUE.” like they have no option but to believe what he says.
Next thing you know, his sheepish followers are dropping his bleatings all over the internet.
Can they be any more stupid? He’s hoping not.
Tools!
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
Bush sez he’s going to write a book after his term expires……
By Aaron
April 14, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this
Excuse the typo Jim.
Can they be any more stupid?
He’s counting on it.
A craftsman needs his tools.
That’s better.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
… it’ll be a coloring book, featuring Barney.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 9:53 AM | Link to this
Col. Sanders was a facist and that’s why oil shale should be purple.
By Glenn
April 14, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this
You were right, Jim. You said he’d talk his way into the fan, and he did. The opium of the masses is a bitter pill, and all that…
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Ah, Jim Wooten, that next to the last paragraph is so good to read. Oh yes, a president who gets a tingle when the Stars and Stripes pass
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this
Ricochet under the overpass and slip Monet into fish blankets.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Argh. 2U4U, a corrupt and ruined franchise.
By dave
April 14, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
i cry when i here the Star Spangled Banner performed. I love this country. With the support of Obama, I now see we have enough people here that hate America to lose this country. God blessed America for a long time, but I guess we killed too many unborn children and allowed too crude of behavior to continue to live in His Grace. Since we turned our back on God, He just may give us Obama. Good luck America!
By ben
April 14, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
Yes, Obama is “out of touch.” As opposed to, say, the son and grandson of admirials and the wife of a president? Two candidates who are both worth MILLIONS? Way to tow the party line, Wooten. Obama is worth the least amount of money in the Senate.
And you’re also saying that poor people across the country AREN’T bitter about their situation? And why must things be mutually exclusive with you right wing nutjobs? Why can’t someone be bitter or angry about their current situation AND love their country AND want to better it? Is that too complex for you? If it is, then yes, call ME elitist.
By Katie
April 14, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this
Clinton just continues to make it very obvious that she’s not President material. She’s shallow and immature in her actions. She snaps back at people too harshly, imagine what she’d do if she were president. Not that she ever had my vote, but if she did it’s gone. Obama rules…..
By Dennis
April 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten writes, “When you listen to the liberal elite describe America, it’s hard to like the nation they see.”
What you can’t accept, Mr. Wooten, is that too many Americans know the black history of our government and our corporations, but which neocons (like yourself?) accept as “our due.”
Nor will you accept that the will of the American Government and the will of the American people is not one and the same.
“I want a president…to see families whose sons and daughters march off to war out of a sense of duty and for love of country, not because they’ve been tricked or have no other options. I want him to see them, the men and women in uniform, not as heroes and certainly not as victims, but as patriots answering the call of a country they know is worth defending.”
As described above, if you’re thinking of George W. Bush you ought to think about becoming a standup comic after your retirement from the AJC.
You won’t last two minutes.
As Goering said, “Why, of course, the people don’t want war…”Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders who decide.”
A smart neocon can see the destruction where that leader of the United States has taken this nation.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Isaac T.
April 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this
There was an interesting article on candidate Obama and the white establishment that supports him. A black journalist pointed out that once Obama is elected, the racist issue can be put to rest once and for all. The burden of their guilt could then be lifted. It was a different view that should cause concern among blacks. I know it does me.
Why talk to San Francisco’s white elites about rural Pennsylvanians? What is he saying to them about me, an African American, behind my back?
I’m not so sure about Obama anymore. I’m having serious doubts about his intentions.
Isaac T.
By ben
April 14, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this
Issac,
Here’s the entire text of what he said in SF, just to clarify things further.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/?laststory=/opinion/walsh/election2008/2008/04/11/pavoters/
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this
And…as I was saying…it is so good to read a unabashed patriotic voice like Jim Wooten’s. How good it is to find one who enjoys being an American without the slightest objection to saying so. But then we have a few liberals who try to drag us under. Groan! Moan! and Prevaricate!!
Obama is trying to win America by saying how unfair and prejudiced it is. He is going to discover the hard way, that working class Americans love this country just as much as anybody else here.
Obama may not think that is true which only shows how far left and blinded he is about our country.
I believe it would be an American tragedy to elect Obama to the Presidency. We would be reduced to a third world country or one like Venezuela or Cuba. That would be the American tragedy.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
Clinton celebrates bittergate
By Katie
April 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Isaac, if you think having a black (although he’s half white) President will make racism go away, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. People like Obama for what he is, not his skin color. If you vote based on race then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote at all. In fact, you should be sent back to 1st grade and learn to use your brain.
By NICK
April 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Link to this
Hey White people, wake up!
Obama like most blacks, does not care about you,your white family, your Christian values or religion or America.
He is a black MUSLIM.
He associates himself with folks that despise white people. Remember, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!
He is a snake with a velvet tongue.
He will destroy this country.
DO NOT keep excusing his “verbal mistakes” made about white people.
He means every word of it……..
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
The problem with government is government. Obama and HIllary want to inject government in all aspects of life. People need to wake up! Socialist medicine will be the death of us all if we elect either one of these communist to the White House. I’m shocked that people would actually consider having government control health care. Go to your local DMV and you’ll get a taste of a government hospital.
By Will
April 14, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this
I thought my distrust and hatred of a politician could never trump Hillary. But Obama has managed to do that. If you think “W” was divisive, just wait until this socialist is in power! But what shocks me the most is how this guy can call himself a god-fearing Christian. How can he have associations with hate-filled preachers and then, openly state that he would unmercifully murder his unborn offspring by abortion! I think his comment was,”I wouldn’t punish my children for a mistake they might make by making them have a baby”. Liberal, socialist hypocracy on full display.
By PastIssues
April 14, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
Did you guys read the story about the woman who was Michelle Obama’s roommate?
Jim Wooten - that was an article worth talking about, but I knew you would not think it was relevant.
As a black female, I have a lot of appreciation for the women who contributed to this article. I really appreciate people who can at least come clean with their race issues.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
“Cartoonist finds that Obama has mastered the Jedi mind trick over his cultist followers and NBC News/MSNBC”
Obama punked them.
By Dave
April 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Actually…what Obama said was true. There should be no noeed for him to take back his words. Scew the “talibangelicals” who love their guns, shooting, killing living things for “sport” and their belief in the Boogy Man, Santa, The Easter Bunny, and The Gay Baby Jesus. They’re all the same… make believe. Good for Obama for speaking THE TRUTH. It’s really about time SOMEBODY did!
By TW
April 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Link to this
Those for whom Obama’s comment was beyond their cognitive realm are already voting for McCain. 2008 is but another IQ test for the country. We failed the last two. The question, Mr. Wooten, is can the United States afford to once again bury its head in its backside?
Got Brains?
By getalife
April 14, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
“ARG has had a pretty unreliable record this primary season. But this is a pretty stark shift. ARG’s poll taken on April 5-6 had a Clinton-Obama tie at 45%. Today they have a new poll out, taken April 11-13, shows a 20 point spread. Clinton 57%, Obama 37%.”
Obama now is a joke.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
Dave, Democrats get most of their votes from the uneducated. You have proven that point 100%. Gay baby Jesus? You’ve lost your mind. Also, I recommend taking a couple of English classes to improve your writing skills.
By Dissecting Propaganda
April 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
The problem with government is government.… Especially when you hire people (like you have) to run the government who HATE government. Would you hire someone who hates fish to manage a seafood restaurant, someone who hates the outdoors to landscape your property, or someone who hates children to be a school principal? You hire people who hate government to run it, then when they do a lousy job, you say, “See? Government doesn’t work!”
Obama and Hillary want to inject government in all aspects of life. … You mean, they want to tell a woman what she can do with her uterus and a man whom he can and cannot marry? They want to listen to your private phone calls without cause and eliminate fourth amendment protections against unreasonable search & seizures? Like that? Why wasn’t this reported before?
People need to wake up! Agreed! Sleeping with Fox “news” on the TV set in your sexless bedroom doesn’t make you informed!
Socialist medicine will be the death of us all…. That’s right! Being able to actually see a doctor and get medicine when you’re sick will kill you. D’OH!
High levels of stupid today, folks.
By Dave
April 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Here ya go, reading for the “talibangelical” set: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/thomas-frank-on-obama-notn96528.html
What Obama said was the truth. I’ll say it over and over. The worst thing he can do is take back what he said. He should repeat what he said and actually this time: He should SCREAM it out loud!
By Tim
April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
Dusty @ 11:17
Do you think that America would be reduced to “third world” status Because someone other than a rich white man would be in charge?
Just a Question.
By Get Real
April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Link to this
There is no patriotism anymore, only the perception of it. If that was true why did Bush & Co. work so hard to avoid going to Vietnam. Picture that, someone who used every instrument available to them to avoid war questioning the patriotism of someone else.
Like the lapel pin, what a crock. Conservatives love to use the cloak of the flag while they deceive you at the same time. John “9 houses” McBush and Hillary “$109M Woman” Clinton have some nerve calling someone elitist.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Link to this
Dissecting Propaganda, How much is moveon paying you to comment today? Have you actually BEEN to a socialist country? There is a reason why Canadians come here for medial procedures. Ever been to the UK? Ever seen their teeth? Your argument for government is ridiculous. I don’t know a single doctor who wants socialist medicine. My wife is an M.D. You should take Keith Olbermans d@#$ out of your arse. The only stupidity I see is you!
By Dennis
April 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
By Dusty April 14, 2008 11:17 AM “And…as I was saying…it is so good to read a unabashed patriotic voice like Jim Wooten’s. How good it is to find one who enjoys being an American without the slightest objection to saying so. But then we have a few liberals who try to drag us under. Groan! Moan! and Prevaricate!!”
Once in awhile, Dusty, you ought to read something worth reading that deals with reality, then you won’t have to repeat yourself so much. :)
http://www.creators.com/opinion/rhonda-lokeman.html
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By deegee
April 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Link to this
Great article about Michelle Obama’s experience. It’s not an isolated incident. When I was in college back in the 70’s I remember a white student telling me about the trauma she experienced when she arrived at her dorm and found a black roommate. She said that she called her mother crying and said, “Momma, there’s a n* woman in my room!” Momma took care of everything and got her daughter moved to another room. And you wonder why, at times, people express a certain amount of bitterness?
By Pfft
April 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Way to post a bad link, Dave. Good job. Keep up the good work. Heckuva job Davey.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Link to this
Clinton gave a great speech on CNN on jobs and the economy.
In the latest poll, she is up by 20 in PA.
Obama is now using divisive, bitter attacks showing his hope and unity is a lie.
He is now a joke.
Clinton/Clark to get our country back in the right direction.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Dave, Are you really that stupid to think smart people read huffingtonpissed? That site is full of hippie morons who got their college degrees in fine art. Obama is nothing more than a liberal fascist in black face. Geraldine Ferraro was 100% right when she said it was his skin color that people are mesmerized with. The problem with liberals is that liberals don’t think about consequences. That’s why aids is out of control. Just give them condoms and aids will go away. Liberals are not smart people. That’s why they sit in Starbucks and complain about everything instead of trying to solve problems. Libs have given us welfare, aids and race problems.
By Marlene
April 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
I don’t think it is what he said, but how he said it. Many hard-working, taxpaying, every-day Americans took it to mean that we have some sort of problem because some of us like guns (hunting is not a crime) and many of us are very, very, very involved with our churches. Obama needs to think before he speaks. Otherwise, he will continue with the old hoof and mouth disease. Not a single one of the politicians running for President have any idea what people like me are feeling. They are all on the wealthy side and do not know what it is like to delay one payment on something in order to make a payment on something else. Choosing between food or gas to get to work is not easy. In particular, the Clinton’s have taken their political jazz and turned into a gold mine. What gets me is who in the heck would pay that kind of money to hear her or the old man speak? Obama is like many blacks - he thinks we owe him something. McCain is a typical liberal masquerading in conservative clothes. So, what does that leave us? NOTHING, NOTHING, BUT THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD BULL!
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
TW@11:38
We know where YOUR head is buried and it is not in your cognitive realm. Why don’t you open a window and get some fresh air? Your “everything is bogus in the USA” wouldn’t even pass for day old bread. Jim inspires patriotism today. You should try it for a change.
By Marlene
April 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
I don’t think it is what he said, but how he said it. Many hard-working, taxpaying, every-day Americans took it to mean that we have some sort of problem because some of us like guns (hunting is not a crime) and many of us are very, very, very involved with our churches. Obama needs to think before he speaks. Otherwise, he will continue with the old hoof and mouth disease. Not a single one of the politicians running for President have any idea what people like me are feeling. They are all on the wealthy side and do not know what it is like to delay one payment on something in order to make a payment on something else. Choosing between food or gas to get to work is not easy. In particular, the Clinton’s have taken their political jazz and turned into a gold mine. What gets me is who in the heck would pay that kind of money to hear her or the old man speak? Obama is like many blacks - he thinks we owe him something. McCain is a typical liberal masquerading in conservative clothes. So, what does that leave us? NOTHING, NOTHING, BUT THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD BULL!
By Obama the Victim
April 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
Obama views America as consisting of two groups: Victims and the Oppressors. His makework social services jobs (“community organizer”) reinforced this belief. As Obama said in his book From Dreams of My Father: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.” There you have it.
His plans for the economy will indeed make America like Cuba. His retreat from fighting terrorism will make us vulnerable and subject to attack at embassies around the world as well as at home.
When he is defeated—in spite of having raised more money than anyone ever has—his followers will pull out their ever-ready excuse: racism. How simple life must be to never have to accept responsibility for your mistakes—just chalk it up to racism.
Please name one thing of substance that Obama has accomplished—just one.
By Gregory
April 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
I am for Obama, but i wouldn’t mind if he didn’t win simply because America is headed in a downward spiral no matter who’s the president. You cant fix arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, and America’s greatest problem. We were so fixed on creating a country that is diversed that their is no common ground to agree on what is truly important. Since society doesnt have norms everything that U think is right isnt necessarly right to joe dirt in ohio. Hence making this country far more separated and divided by simple points of view. Barack Obama cant sound like a good candidate to Texans and the prideful people of Delaware simply because they are two types of people. If we correctly identify what it means to be a good American then we can understand each other. But in the view of this pesimistic black college student WE CANT….
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
deegee, I remember black students beating white students at my high school because they were white. Racism is racism no matter what skin color. White people get uncomfortable around black people because of their bad attitudes. Blacks have a BAD reputation of wanting to kill anyone and not working for anything. That’s why jails are filled with them. It’s time for blacks to change their attitudes and work hard. I know lots of black people who are wonderful people and hate being stereotyped in to groups. Listen to Bill Cosby and not Ludacris.
By Gregory
April 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this
I am for Obama, but i wouldn’t mind if he didn’t win simply because America is headed in a downward spiral no matter who’s the president. You cant fix arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, and America’s greatest problem. We were so fixed on creating a country that is diversed that their is no common ground to agree on what is truly important. Since society doesnt have norms everything that U think is right isnt necessarly right to joe dirt in ohio. Hence making this country far more separated and divided by simple points of view. Barack Obama cant sound like a good candidate to Texans and the prideful people of Delaware simply because they are two types of people. If we correctly identify what it means to be a good American then we can understand each other. But in the view of this pesimistic black college student WE CANT….
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Link to this
Furthermore, I condemn Jim Wooten’s remarks about him wanting a president that takes a tinkle on the flag whenever he sees it. That’s the worst terrorist statement I’ve ever…..what? He said tingle? Oh. That’s different.
Nevermind.
Boy you know conservatism is dead when the lunatic fringe on the right and Hillary can finish each other’s sentences.
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Gregory, Cry me a river! WAHHHHH!! We’re all doomed! You should get your mama to change your diaper and put you to bed. Obama is a communist. Plain and simple.
By Dave
April 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
Pfft, Here’s the link again: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/thomas-frank-on-obama-notn96528.html
if you have problems (which you may have)…just go here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com you’ll find the article on the top right side of the page…
It’s amazing to me that moat that vote republican have no idea as to what they are doing to themselves. That they vote for the very same people whose policies hurt them the most. That they buy into fear…like that allowing gays to marry will turn straight people gay and make two bowling buddies want to get divorced and hook up. They think that abortions will become illegal. That Iraq has WMD’s and that the world is “safer” without Saddam in it. That Iraq was somehow tied to 9-11 and that were “winning” the war on terror. That the war on terror has something to even DO with Iraq (yeah…now it does…we’ve created thousands upon thousands of terrorists by just being there murdering innocent Iraqi’s that never wanted our help anyway)…
WEll guess what “values voters”…
gays are STILL gay…abortion is STILL legal… and dick cheney…he’s STILL a big dick!
By Isaac T.
April 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
ben, Obama knows he messed up. It’s why he’s working damage control. How many times is this now? How many times is he going to ask us to overlook what he says?
Katie, I’m not voting based on race alone. I was hoping to vote for a politician who was beyond the us and them message. It’s looking more and more like Obama isn’t the uniter he says he is.
Please don’t talk down to me like Obama. I graduated from high school and attended two years of college. I have a job and support a family of four. You may be more educated than I am, but that doesn’t always end up making you smarter than everybody else.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this
2U4U, Conservatism is dead? Really? Please explain this to me since you do have a degree in political science.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this
Dave, …and you’re still a troglodyte.
We HAVE NOT been bombed since 911. You can thank W for that. Bill Intern Clinton got us bombed four times. Libs seem to forget history when it isn’t convenient for them.
By jbmlaw
April 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Link to this
Dear Get Real @ 11:50, “There is no patriotism anymore, only the perception of it.” I disagree. My younger son, the Ensign, is the best disproof of your argument any could offer. His two part entrance SAT score was 1530 – one of the half dozen smartest people I have ever met. He enrolled at UNC-CH with 27 hours of credit, courses he had tested out. He serves the Navy because of who he is. You leftists look around at your fellow travelers and persuade yourselves that the Ensign does not exist. You manufacture a false reality, because you cannot handle the truth.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
You know conservatism is dead when Wooten and Hillary can finish each other’s sentences. Notice the Hillary lip-synched mimic-gimmick in today’s piece?
What’s happening to the right? Their in a tail spin and the only thing that can save them is……
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this
Dennis @ 11:54
Dennis wants to complain about REPETITION!!! Now that’s a good one! How many YEARS have we been reading You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.???
Ishy, tishy, and wishy repetition….. only good for libs in their sedition.
So says Dennis.
By BS Aplenty
April 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this
Dave
You’re the quintessential example of a Stage 5 Liberal engaged in debate.
It is, after all, a disease.
The five stages of Liberal debate:
Stage 1: Liberal makes pronouncement hoping others will accept without benefit of facts or logical argument, upon failure of anyone intelligent accepting comments he proceeds to Stage 2,
Stage 2: Liberal grudgingly engages in fact-finding & deductive reasoning but rarely wins, he proceeds to Stage 3,
Stage 3: Liberal engages in inductive reasoning although counter-examples are generally easy to find so is not a useful tool for political debate, he then proceeds to Stage 4,
Stage 4: Liberal appeals to “compassion” or a “religion” he doesn’t believe but hopes you’ll be moved by the ruse, but ultimately, upon failure he then proceeds to Stage 5,
Stage 5: Liberal SCREAMS ephithets that would make U.S. sailor blush. (X)-Dave is here
What Stage is your Liberal in?
By Don't dish it out ...
April 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this
Point of order: “Their” is not a contraction of “they are,” which is what context reveals is what that jackass 2U4U meant.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Very typical of how you view what the “black problem” happens to be.
You content that blacks need to work hard and be responsible for themselves, then you come back with Bill Cosby and your acquaintance with many black people.
Will your next statement proclaim blacks as being “uppity” because they happen to speak the truth about the problems facing ALL citizens.
By Cucamonga
April 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
It doesn’t even matter because Obama had NO chance in becoming President anyway. George W. Bush has a better chance at a third term as President.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this
2U4U, Wow. That really makes sense. Conservatism is dead because of an AJC hack journalist and Hillary said the same thing. The right is not in a tail spin. We’re just sick of liberals and RINOS like McCain. Who will save the right? We don’t need saving. We know what we stand for. The ONLY reason dems won in 06 was because the right stayed home. When true conservatives run we get people like Reagan. Great leaders who lead instead of falling like Clinton.
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this
2U4U aka PoFo u no….
You haven’t scored a single point today. Get with it, bub. This is the day for patriots, not snaggle tooth foot draggers like U.
DU BETTER ‘cause we all know that Obama has talked himself into trouble…bubble bubble toil and trouble and Obama has done it double (and ALL by himself)..
By Cwest
April 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
Patriotism. It seems to be the only thing that matters to some of you. Doesn’t matter if we’re stuck in Iraq for 100 years or if all our jobs go overseas. No, all that some of you care about flag waving and lapel pins. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that in a time of war, recession, spiraling healthcare costs, and a home mortgage crisis just to name a few, that the main issue to many of you is who loves America the most. You are allowing youselves to be manipulated.
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Prove me wrong. Please. Tell me how great the black family is. How about black crime? How about how many blacks never make it out of high school? Blacks need to get a handle on their own problems instead of government hand outs. Bill Cosby teaches self reliance and getting an education. How is that bad? White people DO feel uncomfortable when they see and hear blacks acting like thugs.
By leftist drivel exposed
April 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this
Same old hysterical far left lies, distortions and envious GOP hate on here. Nothing changes. Hussein Obama is a cowardly black bigot. McCain will easily beat this vapid elitist in November.
By WHY?(Georgetown student)
April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
wow, someone please educate me on this issue…. it’s so amazing to sit and watch both Hilary and Obama go back and fourth over the future of America, but while watching a documentary on the current state of the Gulf Coast, I have noticed that my vote is still undecided due to the fact that I have not heard either one of these candiates address the issues revolivng sround the disaster that occured from Hurricane Katrina….Duhhh!!! these people are still living in trailers……..
By FarLeftLoons
April 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Now he’s a racist AND a bigot. That’s why a black man can’t be President at this point. He can’t be just a President; he’ll have to be the Black President, who puts black people first. That’s not American. If you vote for this idiot, you’re an unthinking, uninformed dolt.
By Filster
April 14, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Hillary and Billary filed taxes on something like 20 - 30 million last year. Oh yeah, like I’m going to believe someone with that kind of wealth understands working class anything. Nothing elitist in that kind of annula income. Why, I bet Bill even chews Red Bull (and so does HIllary for that matter).
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
Cwest, Hate to break it you pal, but jobs are going over seas because of our tax system. We have higher taxes and other countries don’t. Plus, unions have driven wages up so high that companies can’t afford to pay for their benefits and wages. Also, we were “stuck” in Germany and Japan a lot longer than Iraq. WE’RE STILL THERE! Besides, DEMS are not bringing us home from Iraq. You guys control congress and we’re still there. I thought princess Nancy was bringing us home? Looks like you were duped.
By MAK
April 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
It figures that Wooten would be waiting anxiously for Obama to open mouth and insert foot. He (Wooten) probably got a rise below is belt.
Hey says: “I want him to see families whose sons and daughters march off to war out of a sense of duty and for love of country, not because they’ve been tricked or have no other options”
What an asinine statement. How may WEALTHY people do you see enlisting in the army? The fact is, many people enlist because they do not have any other options, whether their intentions are patriotic or not. That’s the plain and simple truth.
I want YOU to see how stupid and naive that you sound. I want to lose 50 pounds. I want a million dollars..I want…I want. Forget about what you want and deal with facts NOT idealistic fantasies.
By SteveO
April 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Link to this
Everyone knows that the “real American” is a myth, but you’re not supposed to remind the left-behind that they are in fact left behind due to their inability to adapt and desire to cling to the past due to a fear of the unknown.
Just make a commercial with a slow motion flag waving in front of a cornfield and avoid actual issues. If that fails, remind these people that Osama is plotting to blow up their jerkwater berg. That’s how you get votes in America.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
WHY?(Georgetown student), I’ll tell you why. It’s because liberals control the state of Louisiana and have for a long time. They just elected a great governor named Bobby Jindal who will turn the state around. The reason these people are living in trailers is because they are lazy morons. They can’t think for themselves and the government has to take care of them. Government causes more problems than it fixes. For all of you idiots out there who think universal healthcare is the answer. Just look at FEMA and the DMV and that is the kind of healthcare you will get. CRAP!!!
By Amy in the ATL
April 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this
At the risk of sounding like a classist, I actually think Obama spoke the truth. He spoke that hard, bitter (to re-use a word) truth about working class white America in the Rustbelt, which has suffered enormously in the past couple of decades. They are bitter, they are angry, and they don’t even know where to begin to pick up the pieces of their shattered communities. Check out cnn.com…there’s a great article about Youngstown, OH today that pretty much paints the picture. And rather than having them direct their anger at the GOP, the GOP has worked hard to divert attention from real issues by throwing out wedge issues…you know, all that lovely divisive stuff like abortion, and banning gay marriage, defending your right to carry concealed weapons into bars and restaurants, prayer in schools, saving brain dead women in Florida, etc. It’s crap, and I think most well-educated conservatives know it. But that doesn’t stop them from selling that crap to the less-fortunate in the hopes of buying their votes based on fear.
Obama’s got teflon coating, so this will probably roll off him in a couple of days anyway.
By ghost rider
April 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
Dennis you write:
“As Goering said, “Why, of course, the people don’t want war…”Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders who decide.”
You left Wooten and Dusty; the true patriots out of the equation…He went on to say this:
“Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Do you believe that black families are not great because of statistics that you rely upon.
Many blacks have not graduated from high school. Do they still work and do what they can to maintain themselves.
You complain about government handouts. What about the handout given YOU for your mortgage payment; what about the myth that most people on welfare were black women when in fact 55% of welfare recipients were newly divorced white women from the ‘burbs.
You spoke of the crime factor in this country. So-called street crime amounts to roughly $8 Billion dollars when corporate crime totals roughly $42 Billion dollars.
Don’t even begin to speak about the laws concerning drugs and incarceration. How many don’t know the racial factor was in play when the sentencing of folks with drug dealing and drug use was and is heavily titled toward whites. How do you justify someone with 10 grams of crack receiving a 10 year mandatory sentence when you are required to have MORE than 3 kilograms of powder cocaine to receive the same sentence.
Some whites feel uncomfortable around blacks because they know how they have treated them and their conscious is bothering them, don’t you think?
Ask yourself the question, when a crime occurs in where a black person is perpetrator, how often is the victim white? Most crime is a function of neighborhoods; criminals prey upon those that usually live in close proximity.
By RMJ
April 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
Wow!!!
Now we are at the unpatriotic stage. I find it amazing that we have not learned to become ADULTS in this country and look at the facts. We all know this country was bitterly divided since the 2000 elections. And we all know the reasons on both sides, and yes what Obama spoke on are some of those reasons.
Instead of us taking it for what it is face value, all of a sudden He would not represent this country well. I forgot we are doing such a great job representing the MAJORITY in this country with the current administration. I love what is going on in IRAQ, I love $3.00 + gas, I love the out-sourcing of professional jobs, I love the return i’m gettting on the dollar verses the Euro and the food prices and just wonderful.
America needs to STOP with the he said she said and let’s get on with the business at hand. If we as a nation does not face facts, we will continue to be lead down a path of self-destruction. But if everyone else is comfortable with that, I will not have a choice in the matter.
Wooten, GROW UP AND GET SOME NEW MATERIAL to vent about!!!
By Captain Freedom
April 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
THE Captain stops in to offer His own clear take on the preposterousness that is Common Sense Right Thinking and finds that Jim and Dusty and several of their lesser-hinged fellow travelers have placed themselves so far into the fringe of reaction and lunacy that satire has become impossible.
So, with THE Captain’s work being done for him so ably — and by the objects of his deep contempt, no less!! — He is free to turn his back on this fetid little pond and allow the fools to act as their own executioner for a while.
Adios.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Amy in the ATL, People are bitter? Really? What is Obama and the DNC gonna do about it? Last time I checked the democrats controlled Penn. I love how you threw in other things like abortion and guns. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense but sure. Why not? I’m a well-educated conservative who knows how to spot BS. Guess what? You’re the BS. Go back to delivering pizzas.
By Kiki
April 14, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this
Apparently, there is something in the water up there in PA, because people everywhere else in smalltown America ARE BITTER about their paltry paychecks, skyrocketing gas prices, skyrocketing food prices, illegal immigration, and inequitable trade policies, just to name a few. The statement he made is correct, albeit he did leave you right-wingers an opening with his less-than-politically correct choice of words. How about going after geriatric McCain, who can’t seem to remember that Iran is not funding Al-Quaida in Iraq. How many times does he need to be corrected??!! It is completely inaccruate, and yet he keeps saying it.
This election has led me to believe that the American media is completely beholden to special interests, and this is why I will not be listening to their skewed interpretations of current events until after the election is over. For all of you thinking people out there, let’s make a conscious effort not to be swayed by the media’s interpretation of what is happening in this country. You have a brain, use it. Read and listen to the facts, and come to your own conclusions. (This does not apply to the people who are saying that Obama is a racist, bigot, elitist, or a Muslim, as your opinions ARE NOT BASED IN REALITY. They’re called FACTS, people-you should really check them out sometime!)
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Link to this
Jackie, When you write a question it should be stated as a question. The government didn’t give me a handout for a house. I don’t rely on the government for food and housing. I can pay for my own needs. You still have not proved me wrong on ANYTHING. Also, I don’t need statistics for my data. I watch the news everyday and what I see is blacks killing blacks. And, don’t blame whites for blacks problems. That game is old. You’re sounding more like Jesse and Al.
By Truthiness
April 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this
Jim, I don’t think you really get a special tingle when the Stars & Stripes pass. I think it’s just more right wing posing. That’s just how you guys on the right get the rural southerners to turn out election after election to vote against there best interests. GO OBAMA!!!! Kick the crap of them!!!
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Hey jim. I am still waiting on your story headlines to say Hiliary is a LIAR. Obama is right on the money. Folks are bitter. When folks are bitter they to turn to guns, religion and other means. Isn’t that how the KKK got started because folks were bitter. They sure didn’t start putting white sheets over their heads because they were happy and it was Halloween.
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Hey jim. I am still waiting on your story headlines to say Hiliary is a LIAR. Obama is right on the money. Folks are bitter. When folks are bitter they to turn to guns, religion and other means. Isn’t that how the KKK got started because folks were bitter. They sure didn’t start putting white sheets over their heads because they were happy and it was Halloween.
By Chris
April 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this
Wooten wrote, “Call me old fashion, but I want a president who gets a tingle when the Stars and Stripes pass…”
Call me old fashion, but I want a president who won’t pander to the Nazi-like Nationalism coming from demagogues such as Jim Wooten, Neil Boortz, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing ditto-heads who absorb their nonsense directly into the bloodstream.
OBAMA in 08!
By ghost rider
April 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
By Katie
April 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this
Isaac, if you think having a black (although he’s half white) President will make racism go away, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. People like Obama for what he is, not his skin color. If you vote based on race then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote at all. In fact, you should be sent back to 1st grade and learn to use your brain.
Katie….I agree 100% with the above comment. That is why here in the south one ends up with lame representatives such as chambliss, graham, DeMint, Lott and Strom Thurmond!
It don’t matter if I live in a rat infested trailer, and drive me a rusted ole pick-up truck. And, every bill passed is in favor of the rich…Talk to me about that confederate flag, and you know those..those people!
PATHETIC……
By Dennis is a Victim too
April 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
It always makes me feel good to read the articles that liberals reference. Dennis referenced one that, among other things, provided scintillating conspiratorial content including:
Boy (and I mean that), what hard-hitting stuff Dennis!
For once, I’d like liberals to reference a reading source other than that by another aggrieved “I am a victim” black woman.
Since job one for liberals is to penalize productive citizens, may I suggest the Wall Street Journal as a source? Obama and Clinton want to raise taxes to a post-WWII high. This will wreck capital formation and small businesses. The Journal described this in detail last week. Your candidates’ actions will substantially lower YOUR standard of living.
Sorry, I forgot that you guys aren’t into say, details. I should have just called liberals some bad names to keep this thing going.
Dennis, are you so intellectually lazy that you cannot read something of importance? If you are too cheap to buy the WSJ and other respectable sources, go to your public library. That you end your little comments with a trite, tired—and boring—phrase is evidence that you have little to offer.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this
Truthiness, You’re a political genius. Did you graduate from a Clayton County school? Southerners see through liberal crap and that’s why we vote for Republicans. It’s a hell of a lot better than the Dems. Obama should kick the crap out of you.
By CWest
April 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Link to this
Hey bud, I’ll concede that our tax policy is about as screwed as it possibly can be. I’ll give you that. Also, I can tell by your screename and by the nature of your argument that you’re a avid listner of the Neal Boortz show.
I think one key difference between our situation in Iraq and our long term presence in post WWII Japan and Germany is that the war in Iraq is still going on. Almost all of our time spent in post WWII Germany and Japan has been peaceful. Also, you do realize that we won WWII in shorter amount of time than we have been in Iraq.
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
WRITE YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, URGING THEM TO SUPPORT A NEW GI BILL
The Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act (S.22 & H.R.2702) will restore the promise of a cost-free education to those who serve in the military. The original GI Bill transformed American history, providing education for returning soldiers. The GI Bill not only recognized our nation’s moral duty for the enormous sacrifices of our World War II veterans, but it helped create America’s middle class and spurred decades of economic growth for our country.
Economists estimate that the original bill returned anywhere between $5 and $13 for every dollar we spent on it. But the original GI Bill has become woefully outdated, to the point where the average benefit doesn’t even cover half the cost of an in-state student’s education at a public college.
TELL CONGRESS TO RESTORE AMERICA’S PROMISE TO ITS TROOPS
It’s time for Congress to really support those who served this nation, in uniform. It’s time to pass a 21st Century GI Bill. Do your part, please, and write a letter to Congress now.
By Southern Redneck
April 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
PROUD PATRIOTIC, EVANGELICAL, UNEMPLOYED AND UNEDUCATED VOTERS FOR MCCAIN.
By GaNative
April 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
Wooten, to HELL with your getting a tingle everytime you see the stars and stripes pass. You’d have to be an unemployemed American Citizen to understand what Rev. Jeremiah Wright was talking about when he said “God Dayum America”. That’s exactly how I felt when I was sitting at home while people who were not even American Citizens was working in my place. Why would I want to pledge my allegiance to a country that has turned it’s back on me? My taxes went in the pot to support this country for years. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand why the economy is down. The government has killed their tax revenue base because they’ve kicked the tax paying American Citizens to the curb and replaced them with Bush’s Guest Workers.
By Monty
April 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
Wow, the Truth has been exposed as a Neal Boortz worshipper.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
CWest, I have a brain and I use it. I don’t need talk radio to see through liberal crap. I guess I could say that you are an avid Keith Olbermann viewer? Right? We did win in Iraq. Last time I checked Saddam was dead. We didn’t have a plan to handle Iranian terrorist and that is what we’re dealing with. I trust people like General Patreus a hell of a lot more than anyone on tv or radio. We were also fighting a different war in WW2. You can’t compare this war to that war. Nazis had uniforms. Islamo Fascist do not.
By Dusty
April 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
Dear jbmlaw,@12:20
Your Ensign EXISTS and we are all the better for it. He is an inpsiration and gives hope for this country. My best wishes for him and all who serve with him. They make us very proud.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this
Monty, You have been exposed as Chris Matthews’ talking anus. Your mom should have swallowed you.
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Yeah Wooten people are not bitter. They are quite happy. Folks are throwing Home Foreclosure and I Lost My JOB parties all over town. You might get a invitation to one in the mail soon.
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
Yeah Wooten people are not bitter. They are quite happy. Folks are throwing Home Foreclosure and I Lost My JOB parties all over town. You might get a invitation to one in the mail soon.
By Redneck Convert
April 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this
Well, it looks like Wooten’s been nipping at some of my stock and listening to Lee Greenwood and Tom T. Hall again. But me and Jim Earl get all weepy eyed when we’ve popped a few tops and listen to them good old All-American country songs, too. It heightens the experience if you’ll wrap your belt around you neck and yank on it about the time Tom T. starts in on the line about puppies. Libruls is too into them opiates to appreciate Godly conservative mind-expanding practices. Well, back to my vacation. Have a good day everybody.
By FarLeftLoons
April 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Uh, Filster, Hillary and Bill PAID taxes of $34 million last year on income of over $120 million.
By Monty
April 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Mom’s a spitter.
By CWest
April 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
Hey Truth, I think you should speak in your own words and stop quoting your right-wing heroes word for word. Hmmm, Islamo Facist? The Truth? Where have we heard these things before? Let’s see, I’m guessing your little “The Truth” handle comes from the Neal Boortz show. “High Priest of the Church of the Painful Truth,” does that ring a bell? Guys like you listen to talk radio & Fox news all day and think you really know something. Maybe you should take a few minutes trying to articulate some your thoughts into your own words before posting rather than letting “Uncle Neal” do it for you.
By RJ
April 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
Chris @1:07 is correct. The Wootens and ditto-heads of the world don’t espouse patriotism — they demand nationalism.
Nationalists are sinister. What they call patriotism has little to do with love of our country and our freedoms. In fact, Nationalists, by their own definition, are the elites. What they call “patriotism” is mostly a belief that their way of life is superior to others.
Hunting is American. PETA is un-American.
The love of sports is American. The love of academics is un-American.
Protestant Christians are American. American Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, agnostics and atheists are un-American.
Sitting on your a$$ and watching reality TV is American. Peaceful protests are un-American.
I’m not a member of PETA, have never protested and love sports, but I admire anybody who takes advantage of our freedoms to live their values. That’s about as patriotic as it gets.
Anytime I hear these clowns from the far right criticize the patriotism of those they disagree with politically, I can’t help but roll my eyes.
By GaNative
April 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
McCain would just continue the Bush stupidity. McCain says “we’re going to win the war”. Most sane Americans are not intersted in “winning the war”, we want to “END THE WAR”. We’re over there supposedly fighting a war on terror, but if you really look at what is going on in America the war is here and it’s defeating us. The terrorists have not fired one shot in America, nor do they have to. All they have to do is Strangle Our Azz with gasoline prices. Look at what the price of gasoline is doing. It has the same effect as those planes that hit the Twin Towers on Septemter 11th. Airlines are struggling and filing bankruptcy. Suddenly some airlines are looking for someone like Delta to court them into a buyout or merger. Houses are foreclosing, jobs are lost, etc. And not one bullet was fired, yet this country is crumbling.
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – On Monday, with the Pennsylvania primary just days away, Hillary Clinton continued to hammer Barack Obama over his comments that small town Americans “cling to guns or religion” because they are “bitter.”
But the audience at a forum put on by the Alliance for American Manufacturing didn’t appreciate her line of attack.
“I understand my opponent came this morning and spent a lot of his time attacking me,” she said at the beginning of her remarks here.
Many in the crowd responded with audible groans, and a few shouted, “No!”
Obama spoke to the same forum earlier in the morning and ribbed Clinton for doing a shot of whiskey in front of TV cameras on Saturday in Indiana.
Clinton continued, “I know that many of you, like me, were disappointed by the recent remarks he made.”
This time, a louder, sustained chorus of “No!” emanated from the audience. Clinton soldiered on.
“I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive,” she said.
This time, a smaller smattering of jeers.
It was only when Clinton concluded her opening remarks by attacking President Bush that she received a warm round of applause.
The Clinton campaign later said the disgruntled reaction came to Clinton’s remarks came from Obama supporters in attendance.
Several audience members told CNN after the speech they came to the forum to hear each candidate talk about trade issues, and were not interested in the political back-and-forth of the Democratic primary race.
Despite Pittsburgh’s working class reputation, it remained a tough crowd for the New York senator.
As the question and answer session began, one man asked Clinton for assurances that American workers would not be “tricked” like they had been when her husband signed NAFTA in 1993.
A press release distributed to reporters by the Alliance for American Manufacturing calculated that Pennsylvania lost 44,173 jobs due to NAFTA between 1993 and 2004.
Clinton, who spent much of her speech attacking America’s trade imbalance with China, responded by drawing a line in the sand between her policy positions and her husband’s trade record.
“As smart as my husband is, he does make mistakes,” Clinton quipped.
By Monty
April 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Link to this
Hey Truth, take a chill pill. Why are you right-wingers always so nasty? It doesn’t bother me that you worship Neal Boortz.
By PastIssues
April 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
Crafty,
The Barbie Bandits are an excellent example of why, generalizing about other races, will be your down fall. The Run Away Bride is just another example. Those cheerleaders in Lakeland, Florida are an even better example.
The Sugarloaf Madames are your example of the working class.
I can go on and on about what Bill Cosby, said about blacks; but he also said he wasn’t concern about what whites thought.
To give you a clue, as too why - because they have their own set of issues that need to be addressed.
My mother always told me to look in the mirror first and then look at others.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Typical BS that you neocons try to spew.
You want the luxury of interpreting the facts in to fit your version of the truth.
Does not work anymore. The words that come out of mouth does not equate to reality, therefore, the fail to register as being credible.
You rightly make the assertion of blacks killing blacks. Should the question be asked of whites killing whites. Remember, that a majority of crime is local, i.e., crime is committed in the neighborhood of the criminal.
As I am sure you are aware that crime is committed in the white community at the same rate as the black community. The nightly news insures that blacks get a starring role in their broadcast.
Can you please address those small issues?
Or, is it perceived that you believe you can’t not be questioned?
By getalife
April 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
“Salon: Young voters are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.”
Thank you progressives and their blogs like the obama post and daily obama.
They will unite for Clinton because she gives them hope for their future and does not insult them when they do not vote for her.
Hope and unity is now Clinton’s message.
God bless America!
By Tommy2
April 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this
Obama will not wear the flag on his lapel, but he doesn’t mind standing in front of them to look Presidental.
By time for the fair and menacing truth
April 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
getaturd writes: “Hope and unity is now Clinton’s message.”
But give it a half hour and see what it is then.
HUGE DEM DESPISING SMIRK
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this
News reports indicate the Pentagon has estimated the cost in equipment and personnel for the next 5 years will cost this country roughly $500 Billion dollars.
Their concern is the source of the money and the impact it will have on the US economy.
The second concern is the readiness of the American military to meet and defeat any aggressor and/or mission completion.
Third, there is a looming and protracted problem in staffing the military because of the Iraq war. One-fourth of the veterans return from the war have traumatic brain injury and post traumatic stress syndrome. The number of troops being recruited has not kept pace with the requirements; the number of waivers offered to those who have disabilities, criminal records and other dis-qualifiers has risen to encompass 15% of the military.
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
I am still ROTFLMAO when that lady lost her job but worried about someone wearing a red/white/blue pin. If that is the only thing she is worried about she has issues. Doesn’t Bush wear a red/white/blue pin everyday while folks are having it rough out here since we are trying to red/white/blue Obama to death here. Didn’t Bush did a great presentation of Amercian pride/spirit with the ships in the background and planes flying overhead when he said the war is over and folks are still over there dying. The Bush family gets a tingle everytime they see red/white/blue. Yes that check comes every month on time with the flag on it. I would be happy to if my family was raised in the largest welfare system on earth. My kids/grandkids would be saluting everytime you see them.
By hotlanta
April 14, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this
I am still ROTFLMAO when that lady lost her job but worried about someone wearing a red/white/blue pin. If that is the only thing she is worried about she has issues. Doesn’t Bush wear a red/white/blue pin everyday while folks are having it rough out here since we are trying to red/white/blue Obama to death here. Didn’t Bush did a great presentation of Amercian pride/spirit with the ships in the background and planes flying overhead when he said the war is over and folks are still over there dying. The Bush family gets a tingle everytime they see red/white/blue. Yes that check comes every month on time with the flag on it. I would be happy to if my family was raised in the largest welfare system on earth. My kids/grandkids would be saluting everytime you see them.
By munchi
April 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Tommy2…
Standing in front of whom?
Do you really feel a need that sporting some flag lapel pin is the symbol of patriotism and needs to be worn to show ones suppport for an occupation that never should have been.
Bob Kerrey won the Medal of Honor. You don’t see him sporting this ribbon in his lapel…Same goes for Daniel Inouye. But, truth be told they don’t have to wear their patriotism on their lapels! They earned the right not to wear some silly jingoist symbol that in no way reflects anyones spirit or patriotism…
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this
You Hillary Clinton supporters are the biggest joke in the history of American politics!
By getalife
April 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Damn, they let time to flush the turd out again.
How long will you stay out this time loser?
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Blacks are in big trouble. I’m not a neoconservative either. Blacks have a higher drop out rate of any race in the country. It’s laziness plain and simple.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this
disaster,
You sound bitter.
Clinton/Clark is the winning ticket.
By j
April 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Obama might not make it to the White House, but rest assure there will come a day when a man or woman of color will be living at the address 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It will happen during my life time to and I am well on my way to the true senior citizen status. Obama will not and to date is not the only man who has perhaps said or chosen words that we each one of us have heard and did not like. I did not like the way same sex genders are treated. yet, when the VP of these United States was a grandfather from same sex partners not one ugly word was spoken, we can be so mean and often terribly foolish when it benefits us or we are in support of one and not the other. That (two sided head dime)plays a roll in everything we do and shame on us for allowing it to happen and being followers too. Obama’s mouth is no bigger for saying the wrong thing or comments than those made about the womens basketball tema, the golf noose, or the words used about the fugitives show host son’s girlfriend. Everyday comments are made that make me want to crawl out of my skin or simply become invisible. I cannot nor have I ever been a coward. The Fear of a man of color going to the White House is so funny to me. I know that from your words you like so many others just cannot see that happening, and I might add how sad you are without even knowing that about yourselves. It will happen maybe not 2008 but time is going to see it become a reality a man or woman and a younger man or woman will be President of These United States and that person will be of color. President Obama there will be a new face at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I will live enough to see it unfold like a beautiful butterfly taking its first flight. The opinion of the I just do not believe it want even matter.
I can picture the day President Bush used profanity while campaigning and I know that I am not the only one who does and I also know that it is in some stored archive box to date. I can even tell you what he was wearing and it was during prime time news coverage.
The fear most have is that Obama just might be your and mine next President of These United States. It is some wonder that we are still stuck in the mud over who gets what and why and how come it did or did not happen.
It will happen. I can remember once upon a time seeing only none women of color wear those crowns. I know that every man and woman who golfs just knew that there would never be a man of color in that green jacket. Politics that was out of the question to see a person of color, but it did happen, and they were not serving food or water as SLAVES. It is funny how time does change things,happenings and events in each one of our lives. Now Smile!
Rev. Wright has said no more or less than any other minister I have heard speak before and neither have you. I can hear my momma saying that most of you who are whining are simply and just plain old “Stink Stirrors” and you sure do enjoy the smell. All churches and their congregation must bare a “Wall of Shame” those that have had unbelievable scandal must bear the most. Rev. Wright bears no Scandal and he is certainly entitled to his opinion whether you agree with him is irrelevant. I hope he never apologizes for what he believes and only Jehovah will have a talk with him one day telling him whether he was right or wrong on the stand that he took on Sunay morning, and only Jehovah can do that for him not one man can do that for Rev. Wright and I saw/heard him speak many times on TV One. It is ironic but just this morning I heard the roomate of Mrs. M. Obama tell everyone who could hear her voice that while at Princeton her mom had her removed from the room that was to be shared by the two of them. Wow, this happened at Princeton Univ. I remembered when Mrs. Obama said that never had she been more proud to be in America or was not always so proud of American and the people. Boom most people found away to try to make her look stupid, or evil and for no legitimate reason what so ever. Mrs. Obama was right. I am not saying that I am quoting her exactly, but I can identify with her words. Americans still have trillion and zillion of miles to go before we get this thing right. I am going to ask you and anyone who just might read these comments to go look in the mirror (forget MJ) I have always been taught to look in the mirror see if you like what you see, who you are and what did you do today for someone other than yourself. What I am really asking each one is to see Mrs. Obama back when as a much younger woman and because of the color of her skin she had to lose another woman as her roomate. There is that ugly word (race and etc)a mother crying ‘Foul’ and demanding that her precious daughter be removed from that room. How unworthy and unprecious did it make Mrs. Obama feel?(I do not know her maiden name) It is very difficult to believe that two women smart enough to be accepted to Princeton Univ yet, they could not remain roomates together. It is time that all of stop pretending that we simply do not understand. It is time that we stop ‘stir stinking’ that pot when we do it will become like that (mustard seed grain) and with a new meaning too. My, my, my.
Joyce Watts Pensacola, FL
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
PastIssues, HUH? Can you put a complete sentence together? Barbie Bandits? What does that have to do with anything? Your examples are slim compared to what is going on with blacks and the rest of the country. I could care less about Bill Cosby thinking about whites. He is trying to better the black community.
By BuckheadBill
April 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Dave you are amazing! I’ll bet that you attend an abortion rights rally one day and a anti-military the next and yell at real patriots (military) men and women “how many babies did you kill today”.
By TW
April 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
‘w’, through his incompetence, has now supplied more arms to Iran than did the Reagan administration. Not only do the republicans poorly position our troops, but now they arm the enemy, too. Much more of this republican style ‘patriotism’ and we’ll be speaking Chinese.
Who needs al qaeda when you have the republicans?
Got brains?
Elitism -
CEO Lockheed Martin - $25million/yr
Average Army Private in Iraq - $25k/yr
By Asking a liberal
April 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
I have a question to any liberal who is willing to answer a question about one of Obama’s views? Obama is always talking about human rights and fairness to all, but yet he openly stated in a speech that he would unmercifully destroy one of his daughters unborn children if they were to make a “mistake” in their years before marriage. How can liberals like Obama be for fairness to all but yet openly support things like partial-birth abortion? Do you not think this is hypocritical?
By Montezuma's Revenge
April 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this
The more they see you, the less they want you Obama.
23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama’s advertising is causing them to support Clinton.
I know how they feel.
By time for the fair and menacing truth
April 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this
getaturd writes: Clinton/Clark is the winning ticket.
the leftist scumsucking should’ve been aborted diaper wearing wankpig is delusional. petula clark would not lower herself to run with hiTlary, even if she could get on the American ticket.
i’m here long enough for feckpigs such as youself to be put in your place by your conservative betters. mission accomplished! AGAIN! bye now, thumbsuckers
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
RJ that post at 1:50 is one of the more brilliant assessments of the oft tossed-around and misused term “patriotism” I have EVER read.
You sir, nailed it.
But there is little doubt that those who need to read/heed it the most here will disregard it as quickly as a Georgia larda$$ at the buffet passing up the salad bar for the fried chicken.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this
@Crusty,
Blacks are in less trouble than you think.
You try to frame the discussion as to what you believe to be true. I find your pronouncements uninformed and simplistic.
I would content that blacks are far less lazy than you.
By Paco
April 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this
Wooten, why don’t you address whether Obama’s comments were actually valid? Instead, you references Clinton’s spin and generalize about how liberals view America. You add nothing to the discussion except your own spin.
Protectionism and jingoism are traditional reactions to an inability to compete that stem from ignorance and fear. Pick up a history book, maybe Obama has a point!!
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
@Asking A Liberal,
Where did you read or hear Barack say that he supported “partial birth abortion?”
Secondly, please define what a “partial birth abortion” is and when has this procedure been documented?
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this
Jockie, Really? Blacks are in less trouble? I see what I see. And I see blacks being in trouble by jails, drop out rates and baby daddys running all over the country. Then I guess I could also say that you’re lazy. You gonna call Uncle Jesse on me?
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country…corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. - Abraham Lincoln
Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy. - Woodrow Wilson
The citizens of the United States must control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves called into being. - Theodore Roosevelt
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. - Dwight Eisenhower
I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves - and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion. - Thomas Jefferson
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. - Franklin D. Roosevelt
Civics Quiz
Which of the following candidates for President of the United States best reflects values expressed above?
a) John McCain
b) Hillary Clinton
c) Barack Obama
d) Ralph Nader
By Georgia Lardguy
April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this
I do looooove the bird. But I also go to the salad bar. Iceberg with pepperoni, bacon bits and lots of bleu cheese dressing. Yummy.
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this
getaidiot,
You sound stupid. Clinton has to win in order to put that ticket together. That’s what makes you a big joke! Even the Rev.Wright controversy could not stop Obama!
Look at the polls and delegates moron! Igonore them if you can.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Does this provide some clarity? For the record, I am a middle-class citizen who feels a little left behind also. A gallon of milk is $4, gas is not that far behind. My deductible just shot way up on my insurance, and prescriptions that I was paying $20 for went up to $70, now $130. For the sensitive and overly excitable, yes, I’m lucky to HAVE insurance.
How many of you are feeling a little left behind, having to make major adjustments to live the life you lived just fine two years ago?
How many of you still live in towns like my hometown, which have seen population decline due to a loss of jobs and not much opportunity for educated individuals?
How many of you a just a bit peeved that the people making decisions about your money and livelihood have millions of dollars themselves, born into it, in fact, and have absolutely NO idea of what it is like to work for an education and then work your way up the ladder to even get a piece of the pie?
Now, if you can identify with this, you have a better understanding of what Obama’s comments were about. Why does he have to “elitist” to talk about where the common man is coming from, why the common man feels the way he does?
*”When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what’s worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened — I want to make a point here today.
“I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how’re you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What’s going on there? We hear that it’s hard for some working class people to get behind your campaign. I said, ‘Well look, they’re frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas. They’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.
“And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up — they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement — so, here’s what rich. Senator Clinton says ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’
“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain — it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.” *
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
AmVet, Answer to your question. None of the above. I wish you’d put Ron Paul up there because he makes more sense than any of these buffoons.
By GaNative
April 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
Why didn’t the Clinton’s pastor who was indicted and sentenced for messing with a 7 year old girl recently get the press that Obama’s Pastor got? Is banging a kid considered to be lesser of a crime than damning America??
By RCH
April 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this
I am glad that I am bitter and frustrated. I have guns and religion If I am bitter and frustrated now and God has given me what I have today, I will try to get really p**d off and maybe there will be a Ferrari in the driveway when I get home. Now we are learning what Obama really thinks!
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Civics Quiz? Oh! I know this one. Oh, call on me! I know it! Call on me, Amvet!!
By ghost rider
April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Wooten..Dusty..JBMlaw and all of your ilk…I suggest a little tune written by Bob Dylan entitled “Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues”
It might enlighten you all to get over this nonsense that some how the invasion of Iraq has made the U.S. So much safer…It hasn’t.
Senator John Warner asked General Petraeus this very question, and he could not answer.
And the beat goes on
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
READ THIS CLINTON LOSERS:
Many DNC insiders fear that if Hillary Clinton manages to lose the pledged delegates, she may still take the lead in the popular vote, thereby causing the superdelegates to make a hard decision as to which candidate they should choose come August. Their fears are rooted in the notion that Clinton is only behind by roughly 800,000 votes, and that she could feasibly catch up with a big win in Pennsylvania. They’d be wrong.
In fact, Obama leads in the popular vote by anywhere between 2 million to 3 million voters. How is this possible? The reason lies in the ever elusive math of the Democratic caucus.
When voters everywhere were watching the returns of, say, Kansas on Super Tuesday, most of them naturally assumed that Barack Obama won 27,172 votes to Hillary Clinton’s 9,462. But those aren’t voters they’re counting, they’re really just more delegates. County delegates. The county delegates represent an undefined amount of peoples’ votes, depending on how many people arrive to the caucus and how many county delegates are assigned. This number could be anywhere from 5 to 100 people and beyond.
Since there is no exact number of how many votes are actually represented in a caucus, let’s just round it out to 20 voters per delegate, out of morbid curiosity. That means each delegate, on average, represents about 20 people, and we will multiply the final tally by 20.
Therefore, in Kansas, Barack Obama gained 543,440 votes to Hillary Clinton’s 189,240 votes. This is a far wider margin of victory than Clinton supporters would like to admit, but decidedly more accurate.
But let’s just say, for arguments sake, that we’re overestimating how many people a county delegate represents. Let’s call it 10 rather than 20. Then the tally becomes 271,720 votes for Obama, and 94,620 for Clinton. Still a substantial victory. And that is the absolute rock bottom lowest average estimate.
If we apply this math to all of the caucuses, the results are astounding. But to be fair, we won’t count Texas for the final tally. Their caucuses were basically repeat voters who most likely voted in the Primary earlier in the day. Also, there are no clear figures as of yet for Washington and Wyoming.
There have been 13 caucus states so far in the Primary and Clinton has only won one of them. Obama handily defeated her in Iowa, Alaska, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Colorado, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Hawaii and Wyoming. Clinton won Nevada.
The current tally of county delegates (that are available) for these states, has Obama at 366,764 and Clinton at 156,563. When we multiply these numbers by 10, it puts Obama at 3,667,640 and Clinton at 1,565,630, a margin of roughly 2 million votes.
When this math is applied to the final tally, it puts Obama ahead of Clinton by 2,300,000 votes, a far cry from the 800,000 most DNC insiders think is the estimate.
Obviously, there is no way to truly estimate how many people these county and city delegates represent. But the fact remains, these caucus tallies are not accurate depictions of the popular vote, nor are they representative of any singular person or voter. Multiplying these figures by 10 gives a far more telling story towards the truth. And when the Clinton Campaign makes blind claims that they may somehow trump Obama on the popular vote, they may not clearly realize how far behind they actually are in the count.
There are many people who estimate that a state pledged delegate represents roughly 10,000 voters. So, in August, the DNC members need to ask themselves this one question: If a state pledged delegate does not represent a single voter… then why should a county delegate?
By Cher
April 14, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
The beat does go on … for me and Sonny’s estate. You’ll be hearing from my attorney ghost rider.
By Manny
April 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this
The Democratic Primary will end in North Carolina.
By Gigi
April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
In reference to Sen. Obama’s comments, what frightens us is the fact that this same thread of feeling runs through so much of what he says. He may say that he did not pick up on Rev. Wright’s sermons, but he got this viewpoint somewhere and it coincides with the sentiments of Rev. Wright’s sermons. We sense a certain amount of resentment in Sen. Obama’s speech and a harsh attitude toward anyone not like him. His comments (they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations) are a sure fire indicator of who he really is.
By Shirley
April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this
Call me old fashion, but I want a president who gets a tingle when the Stars and Stripes pass, who drives through working-class communities of Pennsylvania and marvels at the resilience of struggling families pulling together and through difficult times. I want him to see families whose sons and daughters march off to war out of a sense of duty and for love of country, not because they’ve been tricked or have no other options. I want him to see them, the men and women in uniform, not as heroes and certainly not as victims, but as patriots answering the call of a country they know is worth defending.>>>
A little fairytale-ish, isn’t it? Maybe that’s not what Obama saw or heard when he drove through.
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
e) was not an option
But thanks for playing.
Technically it is true, conservatism is not dead.
Just imploding.
To wit, these two huge pieces of evidence:
1) In November 2006, for the first time in American electoral history a political party - the Democrats - did not lose one single solitary open seat in the entire US Congress.
Not one!!!
This likely will never, ever happen again.
2) All eight of the supposedly conservative candidates in this years Republican primaries were EASILY bested by a party maverick, a RINO to many, and one who is despised by the conservative GOP power brokers.
Talk about one humiliating 16 months for the conservatives…
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this
Shirley,
If you figured all that out based on the innocent comment he made then you weren’t going to vote for him in the first place.
You read too much into media hype.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
I want Barack Obama, if he does become President, to see something in the working class communities of Pennsylvania that he does not now.
Like what? People with not only jobs, but careers? Thriving communities, reasonably priced educational opportunities, good healthcare, manageable cost of living expenses?? I kind of think we’d all like to see that everywhere. Penn is no different than anywhere else in the country where there are people struggling to provide a better life for themselves and their families, people without the generational wealth of the Clintons and the McCains.
By Shirley
April 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Call me old fashion, but I want a president who gets a tingle when the Stars and Stripes pass, who drives through working-class communities of Pennsylvania and marvels at the resilience of struggling families pulling together and through difficult times. I want him to see families whose sons and daughters march off to war out of a sense of duty and for love of country, not because they’ve been tricked or have no other options. I want him to see them, the men and women in uniform, not as heroes and certainly not as victims, but as patriots answering the call of a country they know is worth defending.>>>
A little fairytale-ish, don’t You think? That’s not what I see and hear when I look around my job and neighborhood. Maybe that’s not what Obama sees either.
By Apocalypse
April 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
Devastator, you are stealing my schtick and I won’t stand for it. I really will not.
By taking the liberty
April 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this
4 Jackie — Obama on the issues
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion
Q: What us your view on the decision on partial-birth abortion and your reaction to most of the public agreeing with the court’s holding?
A: I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don’t make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy. And I think that’s where most Americans are. Now, when you describe a specific procedure that accounts for less than 1% of the abortions that take place, then naturally, people get concerned, and I think legitimately so. But the broader issue here is: Do women have the right to make these profoundly difficult decisions? And I trust them to do it.
Supports a woman’s right to have one, and by extension, the process itself.
Ever hear of Born Alive Infants Protection Act?
But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.
By gregg allman
April 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this
Ah Cher…It’s always about the money..Get another face lift..tattoo or whatever, but leave me alone…
When Sonny married what’s her Name…Oh yea, Mary Bono you have turned into such a REPUBLICAN!
By Shirley
April 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Devastator, Those are Wooten’s words, not mine. I agree with Obama.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Hey, faking the libery, the world would be better off if you were aborted.
Geez.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
President Hillary Clinton.
Deal with it trolls.
By songbird
April 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
I cut and pasted this from a link on RealClearPolitics.com, one of Wooten’s favorite sites. I think it states very clearly the issue of class in America and that none of the candidates are really addressing the issue.
The 90-minute drive from Pittsburgh to Uniontown winds and dips through rural western Pennsylvania, flanked by bare trees waiting to be clothed by a late spring, and drops you at the Appalachians. Historically at least, Uniontown (population 12,500) is an all-American town. Like the country, it was founded on July 4 1776. Thanks to its mills and coal mines it boasted more millionaires per capita than any other town in the US at the opening of the last century. The town centre is littered with tributes to its favourite son - George Marshall, the architect of the Marshall Plan that distributed American aid after the second world war to rebuild the European economy and stem the advance of communism. The Big Mac was invented and test-marketed here.
The imposing stone architecture and grand theatre in its small downtown are testament to the town’s former grandeur. But the down-at-heel stores and empty streets lay bare its current desperate state. Uniontown could do with a Marshall Plan of its own. More than one in five families here live below the poverty line; the household median income is less than half the national level; over the past 70 years the town’s population has shrunk by almost half. The food banks in Fayette county, the poorest county in the state outside of Philadelphia and home to Uniontown, keep adding new clients and opening new pantries.
“Back in the 50s and 60s there were people, people, people all over town,” explains mayor Ed Fike. “We had stores like Sears, Roebuck, Murphy’s, Kaufman’s. Now all of those stores have gone and so have the mines and mills. If you can find work it’s in Kmart, Wal-Mart, Target - minimum wage jobs in retail. People are struggling.”
With little more than a week to go before the Pennsylvania primaries, the economy is the biggest priority for voters and, barring a deterioration in Iraq, that is where it will stay until the presidential elections in November. The issue for the Democrats is not whether Hillary Clinton will win here, but by how much.
The race is tightening. Barack Obama stemmed his decline over comments of his pastor with a landmark speech on race, sparking a national conversation. But America doesn’t need another national conversation on race - it already has too many and most of them are asinine. It needs a dialogue that could lead to a better conversation. Obama’s speech contributed to that.
But as repossessions rise, jobs are shed and the price of fuel and basic foodstuffs rocket, one waits in vain for the candidates to deliver a keynote speech on class of a similar standard.
White working-class Americans are justified in their resentment about the way in which their needs and concerns are airbrushed from the national conversation or discussed in ways that bear little relevance to the root of their plight. Politicians too often cast the issue in populist terms of rich and poor, explains Michael Zweig, the director of the centre for study of working-class life at the State University of New York’s Stonybrook campus. “Most people want to be rich and most of them don’t know what rich is. A poll in 2000 showed that 19% of Americans thought they were in the richest 1% and a further 21% said they expected to be in the richest 1% in the next 10 years.”
Couch the conversation in more meaningful ways, and people might engage, argues Zweig, enabling them to make better sense of other core issues such as immigration, the outsourcing of jobs, healthcare and, indeed, race itself. “If you put class in terms of power you can start to get to the source of the problem,” Zweig suggests. “Is it workers who are taking our jobs in Thailand? Who is running public policy of the country? Who’s got power over whom? What do we have to do to challenge them?”
For the time being enlightened conversation on the issue seems unlikely. Obama, who unlike Clinton does not have an office in Uniontown, has proved himself to have a tin ear when it comes to addressing these voters, which is why he has struggled to win them over.
Their scepticism towards him is not primarily racial but cultural. Last week at a private fundraiser in San Francisco, Obama was asked why he wasn’t doing better among working-class voters in places such as Uniontown, which is 84% white. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,” he said. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Clinton immediately seized on his remarks, handing out “I’m not bitter” stickers in North Carolina and casting Obama as a cultural elitist. “As I travel around Pennsylvania,” she said. “I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive …” The Republican nominee John McCain branded him “out of touch”. But their capacity to feel these people’s pain is matched only by their ability to inflict it. Clinton supported the North American Free Trade Agreement that led to outsourcing to Mexico; McCain offers nothing but more of the same market fundamentalism.
That does not make such a conversation about class any less vital. It would carry the dual benefit of being both timely and strategically savvy. Timely, because the economic problems of many Americans are particularly acute right now. One in 10 of those with mortgages is in negative equity; one in 16 is behind on their payments. Consumer confidence is at the lowest level on record; unemployment is climbing at a steady pace. All of this will get worse before it gets better.
Moreover, most people are heading into this bust without having enjoyed any of the benefits of a boom. Since the last recession the median wage has declined slightly. A Pew survey to be released on Wednesday reveals that most people feel they have been stuck in place or fallen backward over the past five years - the most gloomy short-term appraisal of personal advancement in almost 50 years. Thanks to the credit crunch, the days when people softened the blow by borrowing massively on their homes and credit cards are over. Americans are heading for a huge slump in their standard of living.
Savvy, because the biggest increases in unemployment or slumps in house prices (and in some instances both) are occurring in many of the swing states - namely Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada and Michigan.
Walk around Uniontown for a day and you will find little in the way of bitterness or optimism. But you will find many who are despondent and even more who are desperate. “They can put a man on the moon but all they can do for poor people is give out blocks of cheese?” asked Cindy Digga, resources consultant at the Fayette county community action agency. “Don’t you think America should be able to do better than that? The American dream’s still possible. It just depends in what part of America. Here in Fayette county, it feels like we’ve been forgotten.”
By songbird
April 14, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
I cut and pasted this from a link on RealClearPolitics.com, one of Wooten’s favorite sites. I think it states very clearly the issue of class in America and that none of the candidates are really addressing the issue.
The 90-minute drive from Pittsburgh to Uniontown winds and dips through rural western Pennsylvania, flanked by bare trees waiting to be clothed by a late spring, and drops you at the Appalachians. Historically at least, Uniontown (population 12,500) is an all-American town. Like the country, it was founded on July 4 1776. Thanks to its mills and coal mines it boasted more millionaires per capita than any other town in the US at the opening of the last century. The town centre is littered with tributes to its favourite son - George Marshall, the architect of the Marshall Plan that distributed American aid after the second world war to rebuild the European economy and stem the advance of communism. The Big Mac was invented and test-marketed here.
The imposing stone architecture and grand theatre in its small downtown are testament to the town’s former grandeur. But the down-at-heel stores and empty streets lay bare its current desperate state. Uniontown could do with a Marshall Plan of its own. More than one in five families here live below the poverty line; the household median income is less than half the national level; over the past 70 years the town’s population has shrunk by almost half. The food banks in Fayette county, the poorest county in the state outside of Philadelphia and home to Uniontown, keep adding new clients and opening new pantries.
“Back in the 50s and 60s there were people, people, people all over town,” explains mayor Ed Fike. “We had stores like Sears, Roebuck, Murphy’s, Kaufman’s. Now all of those stores have gone and so have the mines and mills. If you can find work it’s in Kmart, Wal-Mart, Target - minimum wage jobs in retail. People are struggling.”
With little more than a week to go before the Pennsylvania primaries, the economy is the biggest priority for voters and, barring a deterioration in Iraq, that is where it will stay until the presidential elections in November. The issue for the Democrats is not whether Hillary Clinton will win here, but by how much.
The race is tightening. Barack Obama stemmed his decline over comments of his pastor with a landmark speech on race, sparking a national conversation. But America doesn’t need another national conversation on race - it already has too many and most of them are asinine. It needs a dialogue that could lead to a better conversation. Obama’s speech contributed to that.
But as repossessions rise, jobs are shed and the price of fuel and basic foodstuffs rocket, one waits in vain for the candidates to deliver a keynote speech on class of a similar standard.
White working-class Americans are justified in their resentment about the way in which their needs and concerns are airbrushed from the national conversation or discussed in ways that bear little relevance to the root of their plight. Politicians too often cast the issue in populist terms of rich and poor, explains Michael Zweig, the director of the centre for study of working-class life at the State University of New York’s Stonybrook campus. “Most people want to be rich and most of them don’t know what rich is. A poll in 2000 showed that 19% of Americans thought they were in the richest 1% and a further 21% said they expected to be in the richest 1% in the next 10 years.”
Couch the conversation in more meaningful ways, and people might engage, argues Zweig, enabling them to make better sense of other core issues such as immigration, the outsourcing of jobs, healthcare and, indeed, race itself. “If you put class in terms of power you can start to get to the source of the problem,” Zweig suggests. “Is it workers who are taking our jobs in Thailand? Who is running public policy of the country? Who’s got power over whom? What do we have to do to challenge them?”
For the time being enlightened conversation on the issue seems unlikely. Obama, who unlike Clinton does not have an office in Uniontown, has proved himself to have a tin ear when it comes to addressing these voters, which is why he has struggled to win them over.
Their scepticism towards him is not primarily racial but cultural. Last week at a private fundraiser in San Francisco, Obama was asked why he wasn’t doing better among working-class voters in places such as Uniontown, which is 84% white. “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,” he said. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Clinton immediately seized on his remarks, handing out “I’m not bitter” stickers in North Carolina and casting Obama as a cultural elitist. “As I travel around Pennsylvania,” she said. “I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive …” The Republican nominee John McCain branded him “out of touch”. But their capacity to feel these people’s pain is matched only by their ability to inflict it. Clinton supported the North American Free Trade Agreement that led to outsourcing to Mexico; McCain offers nothing but more of the same market fundamentalism.
That does not make such a conversation about class any less vital. It would carry the dual benefit of being both timely and strategically savvy. Timely, because the economic problems of many Americans are particularly acute right now. One in 10 of those with mortgages is in negative equity; one in 16 is behind on their payments. Consumer confidence is at the lowest level on record; unemployment is climbing at a steady pace. All of this will get worse before it gets better.
Moreover, most people are heading into this bust without having enjoyed any of the benefits of a boom. Since the last recession the median wage has declined slightly. A Pew survey to be released on Wednesday reveals that most people feel they have been stuck in place or fallen backward over the past five years - the most gloomy short-term appraisal of personal advancement in almost 50 years. Thanks to the credit crunch, the days when people softened the blow by borrowing massively on their homes and credit cards are over. Americans are heading for a huge slump in their standard of living.
Savvy, because the biggest increases in unemployment or slumps in house prices (and in some instances both) are occurring in many of the swing states - namely Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada and Michigan.
Walk around Uniontown for a day and you will find little in the way of bitterness or optimism. But you will find many who are despondent and even more who are desperate. “They can put a man on the moon but all they can do for poor people is give out blocks of cheese?” asked Cindy Digga, resources consultant at the Fayette county community action agency. “Don’t you think America should be able to do better than that? The American dream’s still possible. It just depends in what part of America. Here in Fayette county, it feels like we’ve been forgotten.”
By TAKFAH
April 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
Songbird, that was obviously written by a British twink with bad teeth, making it not worth reading. But thanks anyway. Well, back to riding the hershey highway. Ta ta.
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
R2D2, I know you know!
Just let the other children answer once in awhile, OK?
(To self, “Damn, 50 kids and only a handful have more sense than a gnat”.)
By Devastator
April 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this
Shirley,
Sorry ‘bout that cakes. I just re-read it. I must be catching Clintonitis.
By Shirley
April 14, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this
Songburd,
Sound exactly like what Obama was referring to. He just used the wrong word.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
I can’t stand “sound bites” and “speech snippets”. People have no idea of what “CONTEXT” means anymore. If a news outlet has x lines of space for an article or x seconds for a story, they will print or air the most incendiary part of it, without giving the people a chance to hear the whole thing and figure out FOR THEMSELVES what the meaning and sentiment behind it are.
For example: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/thedailydish/2008/03/the-wright-post.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-n92793.html
So why isn’t it more well-known that the comments that Jeremiah Wright made were based on televised comments by Ambassador Edward Peck? Why isn’t the date of the sermon significant, with the fear and the “why is this happening to us” sentiment so prevalent in the days immediately following 9/11?
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
It appears that your eyes are not focused properly. I do believe that MOST people in this country are in trouble because people like you don’t have the wisdom to understand what is being done to you in your name.
There are other things that I could say about your use of the “uncle” statement that could get REAL ugly.
Now, are you going to call your Uncle Rush?
By songbird
April 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Shirley - exactly. What Obama said is not necessarily wrong, he just chose the wrong way to say it.
What the candidates need to do is step up and have a real discussion about class in America; rich vs poor, because it runs much deeper than race in so many ways.
I’m white, but I have friends that are black…but they are of the same class as me…upper middle class, college educated, etc. To me that’s where the real divide is now or is certainly moving in that direction more and more.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
When Hillary is elected president, I’m going to be first in line to sign up for a White House internship.
And, yes, I find Martha Stewart rather attractive, as well.
Geez.
By Butterfly
April 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
To By Marlene Your statement “Obama is like many blacks - he thinks we owe him something”. First who is ‘we’, White America? I’m black and I don’t want a d* thing from you or white America, I like most people, regardless of their skin color, want the same opportunities as the next person.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Interesting read:
BLITZER: All right, Gloria, he’s already being hammered by Hillary Clinton and John McCain for that matter for supposedly being an elitist and speaking ill of the people of Pennsylvania by suggesting that the economic problems there are causing them to become bitter and buying guns and becoming xenophobic and all of that. What do you think? Is this a real issue out there?
GLORIA BORGER: Well, Hillary Clinton said today, you know, I don’t see bitter people out there, I see struggling people or whatever it is, but she said the people aren’t bitter. But I think the people are angry – and maybe Obama’s terminology was in artful but I think he’s expressing a sentiment of mad-as-hell-voters, not going to take it anymore, that we’ve seen throughout this election. And that’s why perhaps voters are saying over and over again that they want to change. So I think Hillary Clinton is trying to make him into the elite candidate but he’s talking about people being angry.
BLITZER: All right, and Hillary Clinton responded to the Obama comments this way; Jeff. Let me play her little sound bite.
HRC: It’s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that’s not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They’re working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children. Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them.
BLITZER: All right, Jeff. What do you think?
JEFF TOOBIN: I think that is so ridiculous. I mean that is not at all what Barack Obama said. I just think this is an example of how a campaign between the two of them can be purely destructive. And not elevate either candidate. I mean, Hillary Clinton is clearly distorting what Obama said. And by the way, what Obama said is factually accurate. It’s been true throughout history that people who have economic problems lash out against various others. I mean, I just think it is an embarrassing for the Clinton campaign to hang on this as if it’s some sort of gaffe by Obama.
BLITZER: It’s not just the Clinton campaign, Jack it’s also the McCain campaign. They issued a statement saying it’s a remarkable statement and extremely revealing it shows an elitism towards and condescension towards hard working Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.
JACK CAFFERTY: Really? And this is from John McCain?
BLITZER: No, this is from Steve Schmidt a senior adviser for John McCain.
CAFFERTY: Look, Jeff’s right. They call it the rust belt for a reason. The great jobs and the economic prosperity left that part of the country two or three decades ago. The people are frustrated. The people have no economic opportunity. What happens to folks like that in the Middle East, you ask? Well, take a look. They go to places like al Qaeda training camps. I mean, there’s nothing new here. And what Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It’s that the jerks in Washington, D.C., as represented by the ten years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs over seas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America’s middle class. I mean, I’m a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.
BORGER: You know, in this case the Hillary Clinton campaign and the John McCain campaign have the same goal and that is to portray Obama as this sort of (inaudible) elitist who doesn’t understand the real working class people or independent voters. And so they’re both on the same side on this one and it’s obvious why.
BLITZER: Go ahead, Jeff.
TOOBIN: I just think it’s remarkable that Barack Obama, this guy who grew up in a single-family household with no money, who lived in Indonesia, who came from very modest upbringings, somehow he’s the elitist? That’s really a pretty extraordinary sort of contortion of his background. I mean.
BORGER: It’s that Harvard, Yale thing.
CAFFERTY: He did not make $109 million in the last eight year did he?
BORGER: Right.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
Wooten’s old fashioned dare had everythihg but the fife, the drum and the limp. He only left out the duty to go shopping. I’m surprised to see a war veteran paint with a sunshine patriot palette. If 911 changed nothing else, it changed the stakes, and widened the grievous parameters of the national sacrifices we must now endure.
Support the troops, no matter how trite their understanding of what our heavy civic duty is.
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Uncle Rush? Don’t see him going around making money off of race issues. Al and Jesse do. How ugly do you want to get? My eyes are properly focused on the issues that plague whites and blacks. I have many black friends who are also sick of people make a race issue out of everything from sports to schooling. By the way, what is being done to you by your name? I’d like to know.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
songbird, I hate to break it to you but life isn’t about rich and poor. People who choose to work hard and stay out of trouble get more out of life. That’s a fact. Do you really think Obama is any different? He’s a rich black/white guy and Hillary is a rich white woman. These people talk about the “evil rich” yet they are RICH!
By jbmlaw
April 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
Dear CWest @ 1:12, when the Japan war was shaping up to be a lingering one, much as Iraq is, the US leadership made an executive decision that brought about a swift end of the war. If, hypothetically, a similar decision was made in this war, to target the source (e.g., Iran) of the unrest, would you support it?
Dear Dusty @ 1:23, thanks for your unswerving support of my son and his friends. Update, he will wing somewhere around the end of June or early July, and his girlfriend was just accepted into the Hornet program.
Dear RJ @ 1:50, actually it is only unprincipled and/or false statements adverse to the interest of one’s country that would be “unpatriotic.” Note, not all leftists, not even on this blog are guilty. When our friends Shar or Southern Democrat pen a critique, they are always careful to outline the principle violated, and an alternative means of curing whatever problem is mishandled. Not all of our leftist friends are so diligent, merely spewing the Daily Kos version of “why American is evil today.”
Dear j @ 2:24, “Rev. Wright has said no more or less than any other minister I have heard speak before and neither have you. I can hear my momma saying that most of you who are whining are simply and just plain old “Stink Stirrors” and you sure do enjoy the smell. All churches and their congregation must bare a “Wall of Shame” those that have had unbelievable scandal must bear the most.” Your background is much different than mine.
Dear TFTT @ 2:31, “Petula” is the best line of the day.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
@Taking the liberty,
You statement indicating a question about partial-birth abortions happens to be invalid.
The questioner did not ask about partial-birth abortions.
Your answers to that question only states what the Illinois statue happens to be.
You try to conflate your view of partial-birth abortion with what Barack actually said.
As long as abortion is legal, women and their family have the right to have this procedure performed.
Where is the problem with that?
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
Melissa, The only thing I got out of your CNN section is that CNN sucks and that Hillary is still an idiot.
By songbird
April 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
Truth - I think you missed the point. Not everyone who is poor is lazy or doesn’t work or in in jail. There are thousands, probably millions, of working poor in this country. They are not lazy. They’re probably not college educated. Blue collar workers used to be able to earn a decent living in this country. Not any more. Those jobs are disappearing like the article said. Did you read my earlier post?
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
The Truth, I actually believe that Obama is one of those “People who chose to work hard and stay out of trouble to get more out of life”. Or do you think that Obama was born with whatever wealth he has accumulated?
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Maybe killing babies doesn’t bother you but it does bother a lot of other people who think killing babies is evil. You have to be a sick person to kill your unborn baby. And don’t give me Bush Lied, soldiers died crap.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Now you are lying.
Your sensibility says that Jesse makes money off racial issues but you fail to see what Rush and Crusty does to dismiss their own racial proclivities.
You say that you have black friends: one and counting?
What is being done to society in my name is zero because I profoundly disagree with the current administration and its policies, domestic and foreign.
Now, where do you want to get started?
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
Melissa, Of course, Obama said nothing incorrect or “elitist”.
Neither did Ferraro say anything “racist”.
Nor did McCain “warmonger” with the 100 years comment.
It seems that two heretofore critical aspects of intelligent American dialogue have been taken completely off of the table (beginning with Gingrich?) - context and reasonableness.
All of this self-righteous teeth-gnashing is simply pablum for partisan, non-thinking trolls on blogs and ratings wh0res on TV/radio…
By The good side
April 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
This is one funny post!
Hotatlanta you are outstanding!
Americans the truth hurts, We do get defensive when times become hard. We are always speaking about the 2 amendment like it’s a savior or something!
We all need to practice on the speaking( telling the truth) it will help in your life. Don’t lie about something unless you know the facts!
Americans quit making up stories about these candidates their records and message speak for themselves!
Americans itis time we stop thinking about how bad we are and start holding our leaders accountable for their actions.
Read what the CEO of Wachovia Bank states about purchasing a mortgage company that sells options arms in 2006 for 7.6 billions. I bet he will still get the golden parachute after he has laid off 800 people because of anoth bad decision by our so-called leaders.
By taking the libery
April 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this
What’s wrong with that? If you have to ask, you do not know Jesus. Life begins at conception and abortion is murder.
By The Truth
April 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Songbird, I didn’t say EVERYONE was lazy. If you’d read my earlier post I blamed high taxes and unions for jobs going over seas. Illegal immigration doesn’t help either.
Obama was not poor. He’s never been poor.
By @@
April 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this
Maybe Obama shouldn’t cling to the people of Pennsylvania for votes. Them being such gun-totin’, bible thumpin, xenophobic bigots and all…but hey!
Obama has such a gift for diplomacy.
I’m still waiting to see it.
By PB
April 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
First off…as much as a lot of the folks here inject so much B.S. into the blog they have never lived in the state of PA. The truth is the truth! It’s been very hard on most there since the steel and coal industries were sold overseas. There has been no real industry there in over 20 years now. People of all kinds makeups are p**, depressed and scraping everyday just to get by. I grew up in the greater Harrisburg/Steelton area and understand just like the people there understood. There is no elitist attitude, just truth. People are p** off and tired of the same old being left out by the FEDS. Everyone I spoke to at home regarding this situation understands what he meant and see this as more of the true elitist (Clinton) B.S. What the true elitist did not realize is that PA has changed. Obama is going to win!! The minorities there see it and so do the whites. They are simply tired of being left out and it’s time for change. My father a black lifelong Republican is voting Democrat this election simply because he’s tired of the same and the communities suffer. The young people there see it their tired of their Governors B.S. and realize what time it is. It truly is a situation for them to change it or leave the state because it really has nothing to offer the blue collar.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Yep, along with the outrage that a word like “bitter” (meaning marked by resentment or cynicism) can nearly paralyze a nation with “OOOOOHHHH, he said ‘bitter’” childish finger-pointing. I resent these gas prices and $3 a dozen eggs. I resent that in a meeting the other day, I heard that it’s cheaper to outsource. I resent that the news outlets are so convinced that we care more about he said/she said nonsense than the issues at hand facing ALL of us and that they don’t believe that we can think and read for ourselves, so they give us the sound bite of the day and try to tell us what we should think about it. Am I bitter? Shoot, I guess so.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw, your japan question violates so many rules of logic and debate that it cant be serious.
Worry about China’s navy, and you’ll see the light about Iran.
This is why amateur pudwits are so dangerous: they use the logic of fools to distract good men from their duty.
A good man’s got to know his limitations.
By deegee
April 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this
Barack Obama is getting shafted on this issue. What he said was true. The Clinton’s are distorting the issue to their benefit. It is nothing that they haven’t said in other words in the past. Barack’s point was that middle class people are bitter about losing jobs and wealth, and that they are not being served by either party. They are being pandered to by the Republican party because many of the embittered coalesce around similar religious convictions, defense of 2nd amendment rights and an anti-immigrant philosophy. None of these issues have much to do with the loss of jobs and wealth among the middle class. Barack recognizes this and spoke to the issue but he is being mis-characterized as an elitist by of all people, the Clintons.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
AmVet, absolutely right, I didn’t think that Ferraro’s comments were racist either. This microscope that everyone is living under is getting tiresome. No one can say anything anymore without some type of spin being put on it by the media.
PB, thanks for putting your voice into the mix. I’m with you, he could have said the same thing about my hometown and the nation would have been up in arms, but the hometown folk would have agreed. The railroad has been less a part of the economy there since I-75 was built 60 miles to the west and I-95 60 miles to the east. Plants have closed. Businesses have failed. Anyone wanting a good education had to leave and they couldn’t go back; there were no jobs to come back to except if you were in medicine or education or wanted to work at Walmart. The same things are happening all over the country, and these people are tired of watching their communities disintegrate due to the choices of the government and they want someone who understands that. If Hillary wants to say that people aren’t bitter or cynical about government’s promises, she must mean in her neighborhood.
By Marvin Giggsley
April 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this
Melissa on our playground, we would’ve said, “Ah, woo woo, he said bitter,” and then would’ve raced either other to go tell the teacher.
Hillary’s as bad as the tattlers, because she keeps repeating it.
By Barbara's bush
April 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Little gw was a butt baby.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this
Obama answered a question that was premised on bitter americans, he merely expounded on the symptoms of a bad economy and historical remedies. I just cut one.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Where did you get the ability to read my mind? How do you know that I don’t believe in Jesus?
Secondly, abortion is something that each person has to decide for themselves. It is a legal procedure that those who believe it will be beneficial to them choose to have.
It sounds to me that you believe you are the only one that has answers to this situation, therefore, everyone one else is what to have them be.
Your use of “killing babies” pejoratives is not something that causes me to back away from the discussion.
If the person does not have an abortion and they are young, what will you do to help this child maintain her child.
Does children having children bring about a stable and prosperous society?
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Jackie, What did I lie about? Sounds like you hate white people. You have a lot of issues. Anyway, let’s get started.
By Doc Barack
April 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Swallow my “bitter schPILL” and call me in the morning. I’ll have the rectal thermometer waiting.
By George Crike
April 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Melissa, you must be from down around Waycross way, where I too am from. I had to move for the same reasons you state and cannot go back unless I want to change careers and suffer a decline in standard of living. Sad, but true.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
The largest single employer in PA is WalMart with average salary being $10 per hour.
Barack is reflecting the realities of what is going on economically.
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Crafty, are you delusional? When did I say anything about Jesus? You’re getting me mixed up with someone else. How does abortion benefit a person? Killing babies is a benefit? You’re a sick person indeed. Ever heard of adoption? There are real people who want real babies. This whole excuse that liberals like you, bring up is nonsense. Surprised you didn’t bring up incest.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
Nowhere have you read where I stated or implied that I hate white people.
I do have disdain for people like yourself that are pompous, self-righteous and condescending.
Now, what is it you want to “get down” with?
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Melissa, your comments about microscopes make me think of two things: 1) the microscope seems to have a distorted “lens” and 2) I think this obsession with looking for nearly-perfect saints to represent us hides a much deeper disappointment in ourselves.
Give me a flawed, but honest, man or woman to lead us. That’s all…
Speaking of mythology, the notion that abortion is murder is true.
Or at least illegal.
As found in most of Africa (excluding SA where it was legalized in 1996 resulting in a 90% decrease in mortality among woman who had it performed)
Most of South America
Most of Asia and the Middle East, including Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea, Philippines and Sri Lanka.
Fortunately as we are a civilized secular society, in the United States of America this opinion is not legally recognized nor generally accepted by the overwhelming majority of the populace. And fortunately we are still a nation of laws and not men…
A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.
Moreover, the researchers found that abortion was safe in countries where it was legal, but dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely.
By getalife
April 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
“How did Bush go from being an alcoholic bum
to the most powerful figure in the world?”
— Oliver Stone
Well, if it wasn’t such a disaster for our country, it would make a great comedy film.
By buzz
April 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
I am laughing out loud at some of you. You want someone in office to not speak the truth. It is so hard to please some of us “as some of you think” perfectionists”. Wake up people you are not perfect and you should just shut your crap and tell the real truth of why you do not want Obama in office. Picky Picky Picky people. This man is about the truth and you can’t hack it WOOTEN
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
You did not use Jesus and that was an error on my part.
Abortion benefits those that require the procedure.
Using the pejorative is not an issue, so you can remove that from your lexicon.
I do believe I am nowhere as sick as you happen to be.
You so-called conservatives that only have a single issue to vote on is your daily bread of existence, so you have nothing else to hang your hat on.
Oh, I forgot, incest is something that you brought into the conversation, therefore, you must have a fetish for this act.
How many children are there waiting for adoption today? Have you done your share to adopt a minority child?
Your use of the fetish word is yours, not mine.
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
One other thought on the generally incendiary topic of abortion.
I personally find abortion abhorrent.
Especially as means of birth control by irresponsible people seeking convenience over integrity.
But unlike the unbending religionists and “family values” authoritarians, I am a pragmatist.
Stack the Supreme Court with Alitos.
Allow them to give Georgia, Utah, Mississippi, and other bastions of social progress the right to outlaw them.
IT WON’T CHANGE A THING.
By Mike
April 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Didn’t Al Gore say that Christians were extra chromosomal? This is not a new trend among Democrats.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this
George, hit it right on the nose, Waycross it is. Even the retail establishments are moving closer to the city limits. They’ll be in Jacksonville soon. It’s a sad state of things, but that’s why I understand the plight of small towns.
AmVet: “I think this obsession with looking for nearly-perfect saints to represent us hides a much deeper disappointment in ourselves.” Now that’s profound.
By Crafty
April 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Why do I have to adopt a minority child? I’m not adopting because I can have children of my own. Liberals, such as yourself, hang your hat on big government, gay marriage and religion bashing. Incest is something libs like to bring up in order to promote abortion. Once again, killing innocent babies to fit a lifestyle is beyond stupid. I never brought up “fetish.” Once again, another mistake by Jackie. By the way, have you adopted a white child? Or is that not “black enough?”
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
George, hit it right on the nose, Waycross it is. Even the retail establishments are moving closer to the city limits. They’ll be in Jacksonville soon. It’s a sad state of things, but that’s why I understand the plight of small towns.
AmVet: “I think this obsession with looking for nearly-perfect saints to represent us hides a much deeper disappointment in ourselves.” Now that’s profound.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
@Crafty,
If you can have children of your own, why do you focus on what others do with their lives.
You so-called conservatives want to believe that others hang their hats on big government, yet, you support the one person that personifies big government.
You believe in what Dubya has laid out for you and want me to believe that I am for big government handouts.
You did not use the words fetish, but, you did use the word incest to dramatize and support your claim. I took it to mean that you have a fetish with incest. Do you?
No, I have not adopted a white child as I have children of my own.
You are the only one that tries to make a point about abortion because you believe that single issue will bring you a political victory.
Trying to use items like gay marriage into your conversation does no good either. Do you have a problem with your sexuality?
Those items have played out and will not be a factor in the political kicking in November.
By The good side
April 14, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Loss of jobs,rising crime, A war that is killing able workers! A rise in proverty! Public education struggling!rising health care cost! Rising teen pregnancy!
These are just a few of the problems that are confronting this country and most of you are bring up race at one of the most important moments in American History.
When are some of you going to grow u-, mature and care about your fella man/woman and quit talking selfishly.
This is why a bitter comment takes place because you are talking about an issue that takes you away from the other problems that exist in this country.
By the way none of our army personel has died in Japan or Germany!
We are occupying their country and they do not want that so therefore they will continue to fight American Soldiers!
Grow-up!
By gregory
April 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
whites have a reputation for being very deceptive, lying, hateful, and BITTER. They should open their eyes and realize that there are other people in this world besides them who work hard for their money and respect….Stereotyping people is just what the media wants you to believe. the blacks u HEAR about and READ about through the MEDIA are lazy no good n****, Im a black man not to be confused the latter. I work two full time jobs and carry 15 hours at a reputable university with a 3.2 gpa. if that aint hard work than tell me what is. Oh and at least pick a rapper who doesnt do jack for his community Ludacris is actually a good guy you havent heard him being arrested for not paying taxes or beating a 15yr russian chick. You heard bill oreilly scrutinize a rapper for signing a lucrative deal with pepsi. which he lost thanx to bill o’reilly.
By gregory
April 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
whites have a reputation for being very deceptive, lying, hateful, and BITTER. They should open their eyes and realize that there are other people in this world besides them who work hard for their money and respect….Stereotyping people is just what the media wants you to believe. the blacks u HEAR about and READ about through the MEDIA are lazy no good n****, Im a black man not to be confused the latter. I work two full time jobs and carry 15 hours at a reputable university with a 3.2 gpa. if that aint hard work than tell me what is. Oh and at least pick a rapper who doesnt do jack for his community Ludacris is actually a good guy you havent heard him being arrested for not paying taxes or beating a 15yr russian chick. You heard bill oreilly scrutinize a rapper for signing a lucrative deal with pepsi. which he lost thanx to bill o’reilly.
By Jackie
April 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this
Gallup poll just released indicates that Dubya’s approval rating is at 28%.
By AmVet
April 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
More bad news for the Flat Earth Society:
Governors from across the United States are meeting at Yale University this week to discuss ways of dealing with global climate change.
The gathering — on April 17 and 18 — will celebrate the centennial of President Theodore Roosevelt’s 1908 Conference of Governors, which launched the modern conservation movement, planted the seed for the National Parks System, and inspired significant state efforts to protect land, Yale said in a press release announcing the conference.
Participants — including Govs. Jodi Rell (R-Conn.), Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-Calif.), Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) and Kathleen Sebelius (D-Kan.) — will “confront the present climate challenge, and set out a vision of a federal-state partnership for future action,” Yale announced.
Yale said the governors will meet privately for “high-level discussions on climate change,” then address the general public during a session on April 18th. They’ll “exchange ideas and chart a forward path on state, national, and international action.”
The governors also are expected to sign a “climate change declaration” on state and federal policy-making. “This is particularly timely as the United States prepares for new leadership at the federal level, Yale said. The three leading presidential hopefuls have pledged to limit greenhouse gas emissions.
“Roosevelt showed remarkable foresight a century ago in engaging the states’ chief executive officers to preserve and protect the nation’s natural resources,” said Yale President Richard C. Levin. “Now, we face a new and critical challenge — global climate change — and leadership in the United States is coming from visionary state governors.”
The conference is being sponsored by the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, which describes itself as one of the country’s leading environmental schools. The school’s dean, Gus Speth, is a co-founder of the Natural Resources Defense Council. He formerly worked for the United Nations Development Programme and chaired the U.N. Development Group.
“Yale University’s storied history, political neutrality, analytical rigor, and tradition of innovative thinking promises the ideal setting for this exciting and groundbreaking event,” Yale said. The school says it is “uniquely positioned to offer a neutral, non-partisan forum for discussion.”
Nobel Laureate Dr. R. K. Pachauri, chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, will address the gathering, as will several former EPA administrators, including Christine Todd Whitman and Carol Browner. Theodore Roosevelt IV will speak about the legacy of his great-grandfather.
The Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies was founded in 1900 by Gifford Pinchot, President Roosevelt’s friend, advisor, and founder of the U.S. Forest Service. Pinchot organized Roosevelt’s 1908 Conference of Governors, from which this week’s gathering draws its inspiration.
At a 2005 conference on climate change, the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies came up with 39 “recommendations for action.”
They include recognizing climate change as an urgent and moral issue; expanding religious coalitions on the environment; establishing religious outreach efforts on climate change; and recasting climate change as a moral and faith issue.
In February, Yale announced that it has reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent since 2005, and it is aiming for more drastic reductions by 2020, through a mix of conservation measures, renewable energy, and participation in carbon offset projects.
Yale says its own greenhouse gas reduction target is comparable to the reduction needed globally to keep temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees centigrade.
By NoWay
April 14, 2008 5:45 PM | Link to this
Hey Barack, Were my parents just bitter when they clung to their faith? How about their ancestors who migrated here to be able to practice their religion freely. Were they just bitter failures too? Or do I prize the gun in my closet because I couldn’t make it in the world? I always thought I valued that gun because my father carried it defending a nation he was proud of in WW2. Do I believe in enforcing laws against illegal immigration because of my economic vulnerableness? You sound like one of my Marxist profs in college. I thought they were all in the dust bin of history. If you are young enough and dumb enough, that Marxists theory sounds plausible. Not for a President though. Time for the showers,
By gregory
April 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this
oh and to whoever had something to say about americas downward spiral go pump some gas, or check out how much money we owe to china. Or look at America’s approval rating amongst the world. Then go look at the housing crisis(who cares about how it happen) and the job market. We’re heading into a recession in 2008 in stead of 1929. How many new jobs can we create to sufficintly support our growing population. I’m not crying just stating facts you should try to find a solution instead of trying to humorously nock the person bringing for truth to the light. Communism is a dead practice that is perfect on paper but not possible to happen in real life. Because of people like me. I’m better than most and im going to succeed regardless of the situation.
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this
Obama made the campaign about guns, god and gays. We’ll see if America cares.
Obama 08: He stepped in it, 2B sure, but if he was an alqueda plant, he’d have been smarter, so we can trust him now.
By J. Nicholson
April 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
The truth? You can’t handle the truth!
Comments on dailykos.com became so furious that one poster suggested that readers let Ms. Fowler off the hook. “No,” someone else responded, “if we let her go, others will do it… We’ve got to show the ‘journalist’ that they can’t manufacture dissent. This isn’t about Obama, this could easily be a story about Iraq or Iran. This is the type of disingenuous reporting that we have to stop. We need to make an example of her.”
They called her a plant.
Could it be that they’re the potted plants?
By Peaches
April 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Marx said that “religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature”. Seems like Obama and his San Francisco liberal friends don’t know the Wall fell.
By Melissa
April 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
NoWay, to explain the sentiment behind his comments, he was stating that when a person feels as though they can’t change their economic situations, they hold onto things they feel are closest to their heart, tangible things that they feel they can make a difference about and be heard on. I know that when I feel that my world is out of control, one of the things I cling to is my faith. Do the comments make more sense to you in this light?
By 2U4U
April 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Link to this
In the 60’s, Wonder Bread had a commercial about the “tenderness test”, in which they tore a piece of Wonder bread in half and it would tear even and smooth right down the center of the bread. Then they’d tear a piece of the competition’s bread and of course it was all jagged and weird and the person tearing it practically broke her hands and well, it definitely didn’t pass the “tenderness test”.
Well, turns out that bread passing the tenderness test has no fiber, causes cancer, and is useless as food.
It’s exactly the same for Wooten’s brand of old fashioned patriotism. Tingly, tender feelings and half baked jingles about tin soldiers and mindless motivation work only if war is a last resort. If Americans were immune to bitterness pre 911, they arent any more. Our flag is jaggedly torn by depraved war, and loathsome indifference to perennial consequences.
So write your songs for the parades, Wooten. We’ve got to deal with a real war. A war that only a fool would want and only a lunatic would’ve waged, and it doesn’t pass the smell test, much less the tenderness test.
Let those who would pare our resolve know this: real patriotic fiber cant be sung or written or dreamed. It lives on the soul, quiet and somber, and only rings to pay the final price of freedom.
Let freedom ring.
By Barry
April 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
I heard Obama talk today about how much it hurts a community when companies fail. If only he and the liberals would understand how important it is to create jobs through risk and investment. The man is stuck in the 70’s. Just what America needs… another Jimma Carter.
The worst president of my life and the worst ex president in history. Hey, maybe Jimma will endorse Obama. Two peas in a pod.
By Hot Dog
April 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this
TO Marlene,Crafty,NoWay and Melissia,
It’s unfortunate that there is no cure for STUPIDITY!!! You REDNECK CRACKERS have your history in print and you still don’t know it.
Go somewhere and EDUCATE yourself so when you open your mouth to speak, you won’t say something STUPID as you did in your postings!
Obama 08’
By Crafty
April 15, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this
Hot Dog, You speak of stupidity yet you just called us crackers. Wow, looks like you are the stupid one. Moron. You’ve proven my point that blacks are just as racist as any whites could be. By the way, Obama is a moron. Not because of his skin color but because of his Marxist beliefs.
By hotlanta
April 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Wooten stop the madness. I saw Hiliary speech and you can tell that she has had one tooooooo many beers at the bar when she said, as I travel around Pennsylvania I don’t see people that are bitter. Everyone is happy. She is the one really not in touch with the people. She might have been born there but no one has said anything about contributing to those communities. It’s not about the money but how much time has she spent in Pittsburgh since Bill was in office she spent to make it a better community. NONE. Someone from Obama camp if they are smart will bring it up. No photo op for the day care she has built from the 109M her/Bill has for those hardworkng, happy people in Pittsburgh.
By hotlanta
April 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Wooten stop the madness. I saw Hiliary speech and you can tell that she has had one tooooooo many beers at the bar when she said, as I travel around Pennsylvania I don’t see people that are bitter. Everyone is happy. She is the one really not in touch with the people. She might have been born there but no one has said anything about contributing to those communities. It’s not about the money but how much time has she spent in Pittsburgh since Bill was in office she spent to make it a better community. NONE. Someone from Obama camp if they are smart will bring it up. No photo op for the day care she has built from the 109M her/Bill has for those hardworkng, happy people in Pittsburgh.