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Reveal sperm bank daddies
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The discovery by three different teams of scientists of a genetic link to nicotine addiction and to a susceptibility to lung cancer is reason to cheer — offering, as it does, the prospect that early warnings with a simple, inexpensive test can prompt lifestyle changes and customized treatment options for those at risk.
The findings, based on gentic study of more than 35,000 whites of European descent in Europe, Canada and the U.S., are being published today in the journals Nature and Nature Genetics. Follow-up studies will be done on blacks and Asians and the results could be different. Scientists don’t know for certain if they have a set of variants in one gene or in three that are closely connected.
The research being reported today reveals that whites who smoke have a 14 percent chance of getting lung cancer. If they inherit the genetic variations from one parent, it’s 18 percent. If from both, it’s 23 percent.
Advances in genetic research that now make possible advance warning of family susceptibility to certain diseases reinforces my belief that children are born with the right to know the identities of the male and female who created them. That includes children born to and raised by single women, children put up for adoption, and children conceived with the help of sperm banks.
Only in the first instance — children raised by unmarried women — should the males be obligated to provide financial support. In that instance, of course, they should be tracked to the ends of the earth to be held accountable financially.
But even those conceived with the help of anonymous sperm donors have a right to know the donor’s identity at some point — no later than their early adult life. The reason is simple. Children have a right to know the medical history of the man and woman who gave them life.
Sperm donors report their medical histories, to the extent that they know. But the reality is that the donors are young men who may not be aware of family health problems until later in life. The children they help to create should have access to that information.




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Comments
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I respectfully disagree with Jim’s theory this morning. The very fact of the discovery of genetic links to disease makes actual parental history less significant. The tradition medical recordation of parental health histories has never been anything more than a proxy for the unseeable true genome; now that we enter a world where the actual DNA can be read, cost effective, why would one care about the health predilections (isn’t that a clever use of the Latin root?) of a remote parent
Special to jm yesterday @ 3:05, thanks, that Sowell article must be what I remembered. I thought the article I sought was something in WSJ, and you can imagine my frustration in my inability to find it there. I think there is nobody whose genius I admire and respect as much as Tom Sowell, except perhaps PoFo.
By Redneck Convert
April 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Well, I’m just tickled pink to learn the folks down at the Capital are about to pass a bill to let us good GA folk pack heat in restaurants. I can’t hardly wait. When it becomes law let that little weasel just try to jump in the line at Ryans ahead of me and the missus. And I just dare that fellow in the white coat to try to take the missus plates away before she’s finished with everything. Now if they will just take up my idea of using the toll booths on GA 400 as ammo stations we will be all set.
I guess it wouldn’t be right to take my anti-tank weapon and my two machine guns in to the place, but I reckon I could put my Glock automatic under my coat, just in case a gang of Those People break in and try to rob everybody. We can be Dodge City lickety-split. You just won’t know when a gun fight is liable to break out on the streets or in some eating place, and I sure want to be armed to the teeth when it happens. Its about time somebody done something to make sure we have the Right to Bare Arms. This is GA, not some weenie Northren state. The cops can just take longer breaks at Dunkin Donuts and us citizens can take over with keeping Law and Order. We can Keep Our Honor without the cops. The people down at the state house finally got something done, instead of jabbering about which tax cut to pass and take credit for. And we won’t need to be sissys and call the cops when somebody is acting up. We can just settle it ourselfs.
But they need to do something about getting rid of that part that says you can’t have no alcohol while you are packing heat. You need a little jolt of something to steady your nerves if you are going to blast away good. Besides, that part might mean less beer sold, and that’s a threat to my job.
As for the topic today, I’m against letting people know who is the Daddy of a kid. My friend Joe Bill says if it wasn’t for that stuff he wouldn’t be paying child support for four kids right now. Besides, if a guy wants to pick up a few bucks he shouldn’t have to worry that one day he’ll come out his trailer door and see about ten kids all looking and saying Daddy, Daddy. Besides, I don’t want to know how many kids I’m the father of. I just know if all the Mommys found out who I was they would be blabbing all over town about how their kid was from Redneck Convert and people would be tracking me down to get autographs and such. You got to keep your Dignity.
Have a good day everybody.
By CandlestickMaker
April 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
I think Mr. Wooten should avoid science, statistics, and logic. He should stick to guns, gods and gays.
he techniques developed in this genetic study are not explained in any article I’ve read. From Wooten’s summary, it appears he read the morning paper over coffee and then the caffeine turned him into Mr. Wizard.
More like Mr. Lizard.
By Tom Pain
April 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Link to this
This just in from our over the hills news: DNA testing on the teeth of George Washington prove conclusively that George was NOT the father of our country. When questioned, the lab technician revealed that the father of our country may not even be of human descent.
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 3, 2008 8:45 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
I must admit that today’s topic offers room for contemplation of a wide range of scientific and metaphysical issues.
The question of whether or not sperm donation is morally correct arises, as does the secondary issue of how the process of fertilization is carried out. Is artificial insemination more moral than fornication?
Beyond that, the concern as to whether or not the pool of sperm bank daddies might diminish if anonymity is abolished must be addressed.
Perhaps the greatest question of all is that, given the scientific advances in the areas of conception, genetic manipulation, cloning, etc., what is to be the role all of this technology will play in the propagation of the species.
As I observe the behavior of the preponderance of our politicians, I find myself moving more and more toward the acceptance of abortion as a legitimate form of birth control! Not!
Perhaps the answer to all of the world’s difficulties, from global warming to Spitzer’s randy appetites, lies in genetic engineering.
Like I said, Jim, a lot to muse about, today.
By S. Aleck
April 3, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
When I wanked for pleasure and profit in college I was told my babies would never know who their daddy was. In fact, it was contained in a contract. So each donation was a signed release. Ohhhh.
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this
Excuse me…Spritzer’s randy appetites…
By Craig
April 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
S Aleck, you deserve to be banned for life from commenting here, for that one…
By Glenn
April 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this
Well this is clarifying for me, Jim. See, @@ and I were wondering whether the State is a mothering state is a mothering sovereign or a fathering one. This column suggests that the State may be more of a sexless grandparent.
Interesting that when we say “mothering” we usually think first of nurturing, whereas when we say “fathering” we think of paternity—-more of a deed than a process. So that when a lesbian separatist boasts, “You don’t need a man to have a child”, what she is missing is that you do need a man to father a child. Ho-hum. As the female dogs might say, Porque se Puede!
But whether the State is Solomon’s ontological mother—-for example in the person of the schoolteacher who in law stands in loco parentis—-or is instead The Ontological Father (@@’s view), always it is the State which decides the parent, the parentage, the parenting. Did I read that parents of young children will be eligible for federal mortgage relief provided they receive Britney’s “parent training”? (Perhaps that was the day before yesterday.)
Sho’ nuff, that’s it. The State is an omnipotent grandparent. I’m thinking John Huston.
By CandlestickMaker
April 3, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Mid, you use the term metaphysical a lot. I dont think it means what you think it means.
The birth of a child should necessarily be the result of intercourse, simply because there should be two witnesses to tell the story of the child, two observers marking the reality of the child, and two hearts assuring that child’s humanity.
Some girls still think they can get pregnant from toilet seats. Try getting a genetic marker from a commode, Einstein.
Thus the question becomes, “Should we blindly legislate based on prurient epistomology? Should we pass blue laws based on Curious yellow? That would be green.
So lets pass green laws and stop the hotties. (see what I did there?)
By ralphie's little red ryder pea shooter
April 3, 2008 9:08 AM | Link to this
“By Redneck Convert April 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this - Well, I’m just tickled pink to learn the folks down at the Capital are about to pass a bill to let us good GA folk pack heat in restaurants.”
Well liberal psuedo-hick, you just go unarmed in this nation and depend on your lovely gubment run 9-1-1 system. Maybe if you are real lucky, you’ll come face to face with a crazed animal shooting up a mall food court because his taco was cold. Go ahead, call 911 and cower in the corner in fear. Then put a big fat “THIS HOME IS GUN FREE!” sign in your front yard. Just shut up and do it already, liberal pansy.
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Jim,
Do you pick your own topics? Has anyone ever exerted influence over your selection of topics? Just curious.
Let’s see if I can successfully add my two cents to your choice of topic for today.
My dad grew up picking, for one thing, tobacco. He smoked Prince Albert for probably most of his adult life. I think he switched over to Lucky Strikes, etc., once he could no longer keep a steady hand for rolling his own. I remember how he would pinch off the filter of the filter cigarettes whenever he could not find a non-filter cigarette. He did all of his own car repairs — I always enjoyed watching and helping. I remember all the times that we’d change brake shoes and the big dust cloud that would come out of the wheel well from those old asbestos-based brake shoes. Well, I don’t need to say any more. Do I, Jim. For, I suspect you are genetically predisposed to knowing where I’m going with this story. By the way, my dad died of cancer — lung cancer. He was probably just genetically predisposed, you think?
By CandlestickMaker
April 3, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this
Bad ole boy: did your dad smoke prince albert in the can?
By Mid-South Philosopher
April 3, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
CandlestickMaker
Point taken. Metaphysical was not the best term.
I love your green laws concept. However, they should only apply to politicians.
Oh, wait, laws are passed by legislatures, aren’t they?
And legislatures are elected by we, the people, aren’t they?
And it has been decades, maybe even centuries, since we, the people, have elected anything other than politicians to our legislatures.
There may be a metaphysical question in there after all.
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 9:35 AM | Link to this
Candle,
He took the tobacco out of the can. It’s so much easier to roll that way.
By peter
April 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Link to this
Gotta love Jim today…..yesterday it was announced……..
Don’t be fooled by the relatively low 4.8% unemployment rate. Other measures, such as the number of people only working part-time, are a sign of recession……
Ben Bernanke announced “We did not bail out Bear Stearns,” Bernanke told lawmakers. “We did what we did because we felt it was necessary to preserve the integrity and viability of the American financial system, which in turn is critical for the health of the economy.”
All this and MORE…… so Jim wants to talk about sperm banks……
I guess as long as the Wrongs are not talking about the current issues facing this country…….They would have to get into conversations about how poorly the Bush Agenda has been !
Perhaps Jim should be talking about the reading materials at the sperm banks !
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
peter @ 9:42 - It all goes back to the Paleocons’ fascination with Everyone Else’s Sex Lives. When they’ve run out of “BOOGAH BOOGAH BILLARY” and “BOOGAH BOOGAH N!GRA MIGHT BE PRESIDENT” bogeymen, the only thing these Tired Old White People have remaining is to talk about their favorite topic - Other People’s Sex Lives.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
Dear Redneck @ 8:34, “let that little weasel just try to jump in the line at Ryans ahead of me..” You’re just upset because I waddle faster than you.
Dear GGG @ 9:57, you will want to read Chairman Ann’s morning essay. She actually read BO’s autobiography (“Dreams From My Father”) which she calls a “dime-store Mein Kampf.” Sample:
“Has anybody read this book? Inasmuch as the book reveals Obama to be a flabber-gasting lunatic, I gather the answer is no. Obama is about to be our next president: You might want to take a peek. If only people had read “Mein Kampf” …
“Nearly every page — save the ones dedicated to cataloguing the mundane details of his life — is bristling with anger at some imputed racist incident. The last time I heard this much race-baiting invective I was … in my usual front-row pew, as I am every Sunday morning, at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.”
By Glenn
April 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
I thought Prince Albert came out a long time ago. Am I missing something?
And why doesn’t Big Tobacky take this genetic breakthrough to the bank, and petition the courts to order the families of smokers to return their damage awards?
And why doesn’t Jim file a breaking news story at once to warn Georgians that there are thousands if not millions of little PoFitas and onanistic PoFito turkey bastereds running around?
And why—-and this is the Big Question—-why didn’t Jim do a column on this: http://bloggernista.com/2008/03/09/gay-scientists-isolate-christian-gene/
By ron
April 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim,I suddenly realized that I’ve never spent a lot of my time worrying about the morality of artificial insemination.I also realize that I’m not going to either.Something else you all better realize.You can be fairly sure who your mother is.After that there can be a lot of grey areas.If you’re a mind to,dna can sort it out.It may be more complicated than you think.
By AmVet
April 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this
I keep asking my “conservative” adversaries but all I hear is crickets…
How is Man Coulter’s campaigning for Sen. Clinton going?
By peter
April 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this
Well I have to agree with you………By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this
peter @ 9:42 - It all goes back to the Paleocons’ fascination with Everyone Else’s Sex Lives. When they’ve run out of “BOOGAH BOOGAH BILLARY” and “BOOGAH BOOGAH N!GRA MIGHT BE PRESIDENT” bogeymen, the only thing these Tired Old White People have remaining is to talk about their favorite topic - Other People’s Sex Lives.
I am waiting patiently on Dusty’s take today…….should be both insightful, and fascinating !
By ron
April 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Glenn,The old joke is:”Do you have Prince Albert in a can”?If the answer is ,”yes”,then the response is,”you better let him out”.It’s from a time when life,and jokes,were simpler.
By George Washington
April 3, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this
Sperm banks my ASSets…In my day we donated our sperm the old fashioned way…The socialist piglet Presient of Argentina has raised the export tax on soybeans from 35% to 46%…This tax is a main source of income to the State to fund social welfare programs…The money is being stolen from the farmers who actually produce the soybeans for export…The farmers have been protesting, blocking roads, and withholding products from the market…a 30 day truce has been called by the farmers…I propose the farmers ban together to buy futures contracts on soybeans, then demand the government remove all export taxes on soybeans, and rebate the last three years taxes, OR the farmers will burn their entire crops for this year…The gov will refuse, the farmers will burn, and world prices for soybeans will explode…The futures contracts will increase in value such that the farmers will suffer no losses on the burning of their crops, the money will be kept off shore and away from the socialist piglet, and all will be well….
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Esquire @ 10:17 - I find (M)Ann Coulter’s views and opnions as interesting and relevant to my life as those of Hugo Chavez - and about as lucid, as well.
Glenn @ 10:22 - Hilarious. Just simly effin’ hilarious. The saddest part is that it’ll go WHOOSHING right over the heads of those it’s poking fun at, and WHOOSHING at around 35,000 feet…
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Link to this
ron. The good ole days of the good ole boys and their good ole ways. Indeed, life was simpler. We were, in general, dumber. We worked hard from sunrise to sunset and were too tired for anything much more complicated than the thought of a hot meal and a warm bed. Then, life had to go and get complicated. We started getting educated. We wised up even without a lot more education simply because we started living longer. Then, along with that wisdom came a desire to leave our young ones with something better — a brighter future. But that brighter future started to dim again. The educated youth got too smart for their own good and started questioning the wisdom of the old ways. They discovered that some of the old ways were not the wisest of ways but simply relics of another way of life. So, life goes on. Glenn learns that there was a predecessor to the Prince. jbmlaw plots his next round of genetically predisposed court cases. And Jim. Where would we be without Jim.
By Jackie
April 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
It seems odd that the neocons are not screaming at the thought the Government offered relief to those in distress with their home loans.
Turns out the rescue is designed to help the builders.
First, the taxpayers make a grant to Bear Stearns, as their is no collateral being offered, of $35 Billion.
Second, the taxpayer is offered up again by way of an $11 Billion grant to the builders yesterday.
What happened to the free-market economy and personal responsibility?
By Devastator
April 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this
WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama, second to none in the race for campaign cash, raised more than $40 million in March and boosted his vast network of donors to nearly 1.3 million, the campaign announced Thursday.
The amount is less than the record $55 million he raised in February, but still a sizable amount that sustains his place as the fundraising leader among all presidential candidates. The money gives him a substantial financial advantage over Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton as they compete for votes heading into the April 22 Pennsylvania primary.
Clinton is expected to have raised about $20 million in March, but her campaign has not announced any totals. Details of their March fundraising will be made public in official reports filed with the Federal Election Commission April 20.
The Obama campaign said it attracted more than 218,000 first-time donors in March.
“Many of our contributors are volunteering for the campaign, making our campaign the largest grass-roots army in recent political history,” campaign manager David Plouffe said.
Obama has been the candidate most successful at blending high dollar donors with small contributions by deft use of the Internet. He has had the highest number of donors contributing $200 or less.
“We knew that he was going to outraise us,” Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said. “He has outraised us over the last several months.”
Wolfson said the campaign will have the resources they need to compete and be successful in the upcoming primaries. He pointed to Clinton’s base of support from online fundraising, saying she had raised about $1 million online on March 31.
Obama’s announcement comes as both Democrats return to a popular financial wellhead, raising money in California to help finance a heavy stretch of spending in April. With their race for the Democratic nomination showing no signs of ending, tapping donors for more cash has new urgency.
Obama has scheduled fundraisers at the homes of four different financial backers Sunday afternoon and evening in northern California. Clinton attended one fundraiser Wednesday in Silicon Valley, and had three planned for Thursday — in San Francisco, Pasadena and Los Angeles.
Most of the events are for donors giving the $2,300 maximum allowed by law.
Obama raised a record $55 million in February; Clinton raised $34.5 million.
Though the New York senator trails Obama in delegates needed for the nomination, Clinton advisers and fundraisers said her donors remain enthusiastic. But her fundraisers also say she relied too much on large donors early in the cycle.
“That pool is reduced,” said Larry Stone, a Clinton fundraiser in Silicon Valley who also is the Santa Clara County assessor. “Hillary came really late to the game in effective fundraising on the Internet as compared to Barack Obama … Many of the solid enthusiastic Clinton supporters were maxed out.”
But Stone added: “A big boon to the fundraising has been these appeals for her to withdraw. It makes supporters angry, especially women.”
Clinton aides said Wednesday that they anticipate Obama will outspend her by 2-to-1 in Pennsylvania. In the first round of campaign ads, Obama spent about $2 million to Clinton’s $450,000, according to data compiled by TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political ads. Obama is also already airing ads in Indiana and North Carolina, which won’t hold primaries until next month.
“We don’t expect to match Senator Obama ad for ad,” Wolfson told reporters during a conference call Wednesday.
Clinton entered March with $11.5 million to spend in the primary compared to $30.5 million for Obama. Moreover, Clinton owed $8.7 million to several campaign vendors at the end of February. A spot check by The Associated Press of several vendors found many were paid last month, after the March 4 primaries in Ohio and Texas. The cost of those two contests, together with efforts to reduce campaign debt, have kept fundraising a priority for her campaign
By Devastator
April 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Carter all but formally endorses Obama
By AARON GOULD SHEININ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/03/08
Former President Jimmy Carter came close to endorsing Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, leaving little doubt who the Georgia native will back as a party superdelegate.
Speaking to Nigerian reporters Wednesday in the town of Abuja, Carter responded to a question about the prolonged race for the Democratic nomination.
“We are very interested in the primaries,” Carter said, according to the Nigerian newspaper This Day. “Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia. My town, which is home to 625 people, is for Obama. My children and their spouses are pro-Obama. My grandchildren are also pro-Obama. As a superdelegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for, but I leave you to make that guess.”
Carter spokeswoman Deanna Congileo confirmed the former president’s remarks to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Thursday.
Carter was in Nigeria for a ceremony to celebrate the reduction of cases of Guinea worm disease to fewer than 10,000.
The former president is one of 13 Georgia superdelegates, those party leaders and elected officials who are free to support whichever candidate they choose. Of those 13, Obama currently has the support of seven; three are supporting Clinton and three are uncommitted.
Carter, U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.) and DNC member and labor leader Richard Ray have yet to announce their choice.
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
April 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this
For those “liberal media” types out there, go check out Bookman’s column on the Clayton County Sherrif.
It’s a hoot…I’ve never seen a better example of “liberal media.”.
By Moonbat Spaceport
April 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Ah yes. The king of the left wing extremist moonbats speaks, and the Atlanta Communist Journal Manifesto bows to one of their gods, Ted Turner. Their Medusa of course is Jane Fonda. Some of my favorites from this whack job left winger:
“We’ll be eight degrees hotter in 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow,”
Says who ‘ole Ted? If we can’t even forecast the weather accurately a week in advance (using computer model averages mind you, how the hell are we supposed to know what a simple thing like the temperature is going to be 40 years from now? What a liberal loonut©.
“Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals,”
I can see it now, a new movie inspired by the hysteria of extremist liberalism brought to you by Ted Turner: “The Day Of The Global Warming Zombies!” No wait, I’ve got a better one: “The Day After Tomorrow’s Leftover Zombie Dinner!” AAAAAAAAAAAAHH! Anyone want to create a left wing Hollykook promo poster and send it to next year’s Cannes Film Festival in wussy liberal France? Wait. Sssshhhh. Don’t give those liberal moonbats on the loonut© left in Hollykook any ideas.
“We’re too many people; that’s why we have global warming,” he said. “Too many people are using too much stuff.”
Well ‘ole Ted, you first, liberal kook. Why don’t you sell all your assets, strip down naked, and go live in a cave you extremist left wing pos.
“Turner suggested that “on a voluntary basis, everybody in the world’s got to pledge to themselves that one or two children is it.””
You go tell that to the Muslims outbreeding Christian Europeans in Europe and the UK first, Ted. Oh yeah, and stay the F out of my bedroom (does that at all sound familiar?), you left wing snake
““Right now, the U.S. is spending $500 billion a year on the military, which is more than all 190 countries in the world put together,” he said.”
And there’s a reason why we haven’t been challenged militarily either, Ted.
“China just wants to sell us shoes. They’re not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too.”
Oh really? Then what the hell are they doing spying on us and playing wargames with Russia, you old dried up liberal garbage bag? Can you believe this jackass representation of the far left loonuts©?
“Admitting that he’s “always suffered from foot-in-the-mouth disease,” Turner added, “I’ve gotten a lot better, though. It’s been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid.””
Coulda fooled me. In any event, I’d say the disease he has is left wing extremist liberalism. All the King Of Kooks has to do is just open his big mouth, and we can all see his stupidity and rotting brain. And for the finale of this moonbat pos left wing extremist, this comment will stand on its own merit unchallenged. Just sit back and look at it in sheer awe - like a two headed snake in a zoo (let’s just ignore the fact that those “insurgents” are foreign terrorists that sneaked across the border):
“Turner called the Iraqi insurgents “patriots” who “don’t like us because we invaded their country and occupied it. Nobody likes to be invaded.””
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Link to this
Jackie. You neglected to emphasize the $100 million being put up to help educate those stupid idiots that could not figure out on their own that they could not afford that house payment — much less speak English. You see, when you emphasize the 100 and compare it to the 5 or 10 or 30 billion, the 100 really looks significant. But, as Jim can attest to, there’s no need to belabor that point. What would these numbers look like side by side on the same scale? Let’s see. $30 billion compared to $0.1 billion. But, there’s even more than scale to this one. Isn’t there, Jim. 100 million to education of the financially ignorant (and trusting of the financially educated) versus 10s of billions in tax breaks and bailouts to the financially educated big bidness types who should have known better. Wait a minute. I have a great idea. Let’s have a tax break. Let’s make it a big tax break. How about $160,000 Million. Now that’s big.
By TW
April 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
Someone tell Ted Turner that it is unAmerican to think…oh, those libs and their thinking…and their research…
Don’t those libs realize the rosy scenario today is a result of not thinking?
Got Brains????????
By Captain Freedom
April 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this
Speaking of paternity issues and Sister Dusty, THE Captain noted this item in the morning news: (WARNING: Link is not breakfast friendly, unless you go in for the sideshow at the carnival.)
A transgender Oregon man is five months pregnant, he revealed in a national magazine.
*Beatie was formerly a lesbian who underwent a sex change operation in order to marry the love of his life…After 10 years together, they longed to start a family. … *
Though he was legally a man, when the couple decided to have children he stopped taking male hormones and began getting his period again.
Beatie was then easily able to conceive a child using donor sperm, without fertility treatments. …He and wife Nancy are expecting a healthy baby girl in July…
He plans to continue living as a man as his pregnancy becomes increasingly obvious to the world. “Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am,” he wrote in The Advocate.
In light of this, THE Captain wishes to apologize to Sister Dusty. All this time He was sure that she was lying about having all those children. But if this guy er uh gal um, oh hell, if this freak can get pregnant, even old Dusty is a viable breeder. And the artificial insemination angle explains away how anyone could have done the nasty with that pinched old face staring up, too.
THE Captain begs your pardon, Dusty, and will never doubt your p/maternity again.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG @10:48. realistically there is no reason you should care, much as I do not. For me Hussein’s vote against John Roberts’ confirmation – a profoundly wrong vote on a no-brainer issue - is sufficient evidence of incompetence to persuade me to vote against him. And the leftist-Jim-Jonesian Kool-aid drinkers would vote for Osama-Obama even if he were committed to exterminating the productive class in the US (well, now that we mention it….). However, among our dithering middle-of-the-road moderates, who claim to analyze every issue before making a decision, I wonder if any of our bloggers have bothered to read BO in his own words. I would wish to know whether Chairman Ann’s quotes are faithful.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Link to this
Dear Jackie @ 11:41, you analyze correctly. We conservatives do not have the votes to block your big-government programs, no matter how dumb the leftist programs may be. So we will simply use it as a brick to pummel the leftists over the head in October.
Dear Devastator @ 11:46, I know you were a true believer, my sincerest regrets about the kiss of death.
By Captain Freedom
April 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this
jbm,
It matters not whether Chairman Ann misquoted, took out of context, or simply made sh!t up in her takedown of Obamandingo. For THE Captain knows that if the lovely yet strangely masculine-handed Ann lies, it is only in service to a larger truth. It is the Right Thing to do.
Damn. That story I linked earlier is haunting me now. Is it possible that Chairman Ann has a gender foundation issue of her/his own? What about those hands, anyway? And that Adams Apple is a tad bit exaggerated for a woman her size, wouldn’t you agree? I mean sure, on Dusty, nobody gives it a second thought, on account of all the facial hair. But the slender and frolicsome Ann Coulter? A transgendered freakydeak?
THE Captain needs to lie down and rest…..
By getalife
April 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this
w and cheney still get a free pass for the worst leadership this country has ever seen but Jim writes about sperm donors.
Does anybody see this insanity besides me?
Wow, my head spins.
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Link to this
Esquire @ 12:11 - Nice try, but the biggest chunk of those (Carl Sagan Voice) BILLIONS AND BILLIONS (/Carl Sagan Voice) Jackie referred to were given by your Paleocon pals at the Fed to your Big Bidness friends at Bear Stearns. The only “pummeling with bricks” you should do is up-side your own head for your blind support of such doofuses.
By Jackie
April 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this
@BadOlBoys,
Turns out the $100 Million may be the only thing that may be deemed to be “helpful” to the consumer.
Many of those in trouble in Florida - approximately 270,000 foreclosures - refinanced their homes based on the the values a few years past, are trying to find ways to refinance now that the value in their homes have fallen significantly.
Studies have shown the sub-prime loans to consumers is roughly a $4 Billion dollar problem with the refinance problem being much greater because of the deflation of housing prices.
We hear many shouts about people being stupid and uneducated about finances and mortgages, while this problem is only a small portion of the current credit crisis.
The problem appears to be “smart” people in positions of power are the ones that created this problem and many are saying we are nowhere near the bottom of a looming economic pandemic.
By Rick
April 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
If that is Ted Turner’s example of liberal thinking, then we need to speed up Alzheimer’s research - or invest in more homes for those who got knocked off their rocker. Libs will need it when McCain wins.
Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is proposing $7 billion a year in tax incentives to encourage U.S. companies not to ship jobs overseas. Is that pathological liar not aware that her so-called husband signed something called NAFTA that caused that big sucking sound?
Among the debts reported this month by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s struggling presidential campaign, the $292,000 in unpaid health insurance premiums for her campaign staff stands out. To think that woman wants to manage our health care. Besides that blog moron getalife, how many idiots support this wretched woman again?
By Redneck Convert
April 3, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Well, I about spit up my chicken weenies when I read this Captain Freedom describing Sister Dusty. What he don’t say is she uses curlers on the face hair, sort of like a permanent. I got to say she’s got the best mustache in the state.
Anyhow, I figure she’s too old to be in the Fambly Way, what with having a boy that done served in the Army already. Besides, there’s some things a man just won’t do. And I’ll have to keep my eye on Ann’s hands the next time she’s on Fox News.
By Jackie
April 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this
The news report of a Memo submitted by John Yoo and approved by Albert Gonzales detailing the authority given to Dubya allows him to grant extrodinary means and methods of interrogation to anyone deemed by Dubya to be an enemy combatant.
A footnote that was little noticed indicates this same authority gave the President unitary authority to permit searches and seizures without warrants.
Why hasn’t these criminal actions been prosecuted?
By catlady
April 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this
Jackie, et al Folks are ‘free market” until it turns out that they won’t profit from it. Then they declaim ad nauseum that we have to “save the free market” by using the people’s money to prop it up (until it can return to making money off the little people). Any way you look at it, the little people are screwed.
Sort of like Ga Power, the oil companies, etc. Prices are high because of high demand. If demand falls, prices must be raised because demand has fallen. Any way you go, prices will rise, and the little folks will be screwed.
Basic rule of economics: those that have, will have more. Those who are making an effort to become those who have, won’t.
By catlady
April 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this
Jackie, et al Folks are ‘free market” until it turns out that they won’t profit from it. Then they declaim ad nauseum that we have to “save the free market” by using the people’s money to prop it up (until it can return to making money off the little people). Any way you look at it, the little people are screwed.
Sort of like Ga Power, the oil companies, etc. Prices are high because of high demand. If demand falls, prices must be raised because demand has fallen. Any way you go, prices will rise, and the little folks will be screwed.
Basic rule of economics: those that have, will have more. Those who are making an effort to become those who have, won’t.
By catlady
April 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Jackie, et al Folks are ‘free market” until it turns out that they won’t profit from it. Then they declaim ad nauseum that we have to “save the free market” by using the people’s money to prop it up (until it can return to making money off the little people). Any way you look at it, the little people are screwed.
Sort of like Ga Power, the oil companies, etc. Prices are high because of high demand. If demand falls, prices must be raised because demand has fallen. Any way you go, prices will rise, and the little folks will be screwed.
Basic rule of economics: those that have, will have more. Those who are making an effort to become those who have, won’t.
By catlady
April 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Jackie, et al Folks are ‘free market” until it turns out that they won’t profit from it. Then they declaim ad nauseum that we have to “save the free market” by using the people’s money to prop it up (until it can return to making money off the little people). Any way you look at it, the little people are screwed.
Sort of like Ga Power, the oil companies, etc. Prices are high because of high demand. If demand falls, prices must be raised because demand has fallen. Any way you go, prices will rise, and the little folks will be screwed.
Basic rule of economics: those that have, will have more. Those who are making an effort to become those who have, won’t.
By AmVet
April 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
We conservatives do not have the votes…
We?!
But yes the point is taken as the once seemingly innumerable, but now inconspicuous and rapidly dwindling, “misunderstood” non-conservative “conservatives” certainly do not have much firepower left.
As evidenced by the fact that even the lunatic fringe’s beloved misanthrope Chairman Mann prefers campaigning for Hillary over accepting the moderate McCain.
And take it to the bank, that after this November the remaining self-admitted “conservatives” will be working with pea shooters, as they are almost certainly going to lose numerous seats in Congress and several governorships. Despite the many “conservative” white flags and much cutting and running from this administration.
And the oracles of the airwaves will have a field day indeed as they secretly hope for this Madam President or Mr. Mulatto eventuality in search of the golden calf of teeth-gnashing ratings.
UNLESS…McCain can bring some sanity back to the GOP and resurrect real American conservatism.
But I foresee these remaining intransigent Tories fighting tooth and nail to once again put party and ideology before country.
Yet it is almost inevitable, that either way, the nation will continue to marginalize the failed agenda of the heretofore Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft apologist “conservatives”.
So let it be written, so let it be done…
By Copyleft
April 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
So Wooten is proposing a new right that never existed before… and it involves people’s private (sex) lives.
What a huge surprise! He’s a good conservative, that Mr. Wooten. “Do as the vile, evil liberals do, but claim otherwise.”
By Jackie
April 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Link to this
@jbmlaw,
Leftist program? The corporate fascists and their lobbyist created this problem and are making the taxpayer bear the risk.
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this
AmVet @ 12:47 - The “We” that the Esquire is referring to is that mouse in his pocket. That, or the special voices in his head.
By catlady
April 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Link to this
I can’t see to help repeating myself, repeating myself, repeat…… Sorry.
Captain—her face may not be staring up. She could be face down….
By Captain Freedom
April 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this
THE Captain rushes to the aid of jbm with this Truth that is so Obviously True that even a libberrull can understand its inherent Truthiness.
First, the de facto premise: If something goes badly, it is because it is informed by libberrull impulses or ideas. Hell, everybody knows that.
“But wait’” goes up the cry to THE Captain. “What about those things that go wrong that are initiated by Right Thinking Common Sense Conservatives?”
THE Captain tut-tuts at your naivete, but like jbm He will stoop to answer you smarty pants comsymps who think you can play GOTCHA with your so-called ‘facts’ and ‘reality’. Now pay attention, you short bus riding lefties, because THE Captain and jbm hate to repeat, recap, or otherwise superfluously engage in redundancy.
Ready?
The only reason something done by a Conservative might go badly is because the action was not sufficiently Conservative.
To take one example: if deregulation of the banking and investment houses ends with massive bailouts because the Masters of Finance gambled like drunken Mexican sailors, it is because the deregulation was insufficiently Right Thinking to begin with. Thus are our Conservative Betters compelled to engage in non-Conservative actions (e.g., billion dollar bailouts) as a result of insufficient Conservatism at the outset. Compound this with insufficient Faith as the process unfolds (True Belief stalwarts like jbm and I call this “not clapping hard enough”), and the end result is an honorable Conservative Idea failed by insufficient conservatism.
Or another. Bedwetter libs cry that massive tax cuts coupled with profligate war expenditures have led to unprecedented national debt. The problem is simple: the tax cuts were insufficiently deep, and the war expenses insufficiently profligate. Had Our Leader been able to carry His Crusade to its logical and God-blessed conclusion, there would be no deficits now. Hate the deficits? Blame the liberals who thwarted the Conservatives.
The War in Iraq is yet another example, but having been provided a template, THE Captain is sure that you students can tease out the workings of that little inconvenience.
Remember, Conservatism Never Fails. However, Conservatives sometimes fail to be Conservative Enough.
Class dismissed.
By ron
April 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Rick,I know what caused the big sucking sound in the oval office during Clinton’s term,but I didn’t think her name was NAFTA.
By Captain Freedom
April 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this
“Captain—her face may not be staring up. She could be face down….”
Thanks, Catlady. All this time THE Captain thought she only had one eye, no nose, a beard, droopy cheeks, and a very narrow mouth….
By Captain Freedom
April 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this
Nope, Catlady, THE Captain double-checked, and He was indeed looking at a frontal head shot photo of Dusty…
But alas, revisiting that photo means that THE Captain needs to lie down for a spell, again.
By peter
April 3, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this
Is anyone wondering why all of a sudden George Bush and the Republicans are now behaving like VERY Liberal Democrat’s?
Could it be an Election year change of policy ?
We are now bailing out how many industries, and giving away FREE money to tax payers ?
Where is this MONEY coming from ?
I guess NOW the biggest question becomes…… HOW DO WE PAY for all this LIBERAL activity ?
OK I see…… BIGGER deficits coming our way….. that’s how we will pay for this !
WOW look at the BIG Brain’s we have in the White House !
By @@
April 3, 2008 1:39 PM | Link to this
This gets into privacy issues doesn’t it Jim? Since when do children have rights?
With the decline of traditional values in America, they (children) have become recyclable AND disposable which brings me to the Little Cottage Industry that’s been created here in America and elsewhere. I call it The House that JackOft Built.
I’ve asked the question, and received no answer as yet…..
If Sperm Donor #139uJR2 contributes 5,372,021 little swimmers to an open society of overly eager beavers, are there any safeguards in place that can guarantee you don’t marry and procreate with your half sibling?
Let’s be honest, shall we? Today’s “society” offers the greatest health risk to any child born or yet to be…
Sad but true.
By BS Aplenty (Makes a Pit Stop)
April 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this
THE Captain, et al. should not stray outside the realm of his/their considerable gifts without the benefit of a caveat lector. Economic theory appeared to be a bit of a stretch.
Dusty, like my wife, is one hot little vixen, albeit, one who has had several children.
Ann Coulter should sell posters like Farrah Fawcett did in my day.
A fifteen second pit stop - NASCAR would be proud.
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this
I bow, face-to-face that is, to the Captain’s penned wit of the day. Might I also join him in extending fault where fault is due. Now off with you less than conservative conservatives. Travel farther — farther than you ever have before — to the right. Travel to the farside of the right. Show us what perverted forms of right still await us.
By Jim Earl
April 3, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Shoot, Redneck done been doin the poky poke with his girly relations and whut not for lo these many years and it ain’t lowered the family standards a whit. Red’s daughter is likewise his sister AND his cousin, and even still, their littlun ain’t no ways lest smarter than Red.
@@ is just sore that her brother don’t do to her whut Red does to his.
By Jim Earl
April 3, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this
And his sister is sore because he does.
By ron
April 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Link to this
I’m pretty sure that I read somewhere the incest keeps it in the family.
By Jim Earl
April 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Incest is relative.
By @@
April 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
@@ is just sore that her brother don’t do to her whut Red does to his.
And his sister is sore because he does.
See what I mean Jim? ^^^ Those are the thoughts that permeate the minds of the progressive left.
Mine was a legitimate question, and the response it gets is the best the left has to offer.
Children beware….
By Al
April 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
I will not be belittled by some snot-nosed kid running for president and his offer. No. That will not do. I am President. I am. I am. I am. I am going to change over to the Republican party just like all those Republicans in Georgia did. Then, McCain will make me his running mate. He needs me. I can get him the “I invented it” vote and “I want to be green” vote and the “You were both cheated out of the presidency by that no good son of a bush” vote…
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
@@ @ 1:39 - You need to remember The Paleocon’s Credo: Love The Fetus, Hate The Child.
By Jim Earl
April 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
Hey @@
Comin from sumbody who done wrote The House that JackOft Built, you got a nerve to spout off like at. So to speak….
Sum folks gots no shame to step off and pun like at, and then gripe at other folks takin there measure. It’s downright pittyfull.
By BS Aplenty (Who Left My Gas Cap on the Ground)
April 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Alas, I had to re-pit. While I’m here, this photo helped turn WayGayGreyGeek into just GayGreyGeek.
Now, if he could only have seen Farrah in her prime, he’d just be an old Geek.
By @@
April 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Link to this
JimE:
Fun at the expense of adults is one thing.
Fun at the expense of children (victims of incest) is something that only a leftist would engage in.
See the difference?
By deegee
April 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
George Bush entered the office of the presidency as the first Harvard MBA graduate in history. He has had eight years to put his education to good use. While Ben Bernanke and Henry Paulson take the lead in explaining the stark reality of our current economic woes, George Bush explains that we hit a “rough patch”. George has gotten all of the mileage he is ever going to get out of his tax cuts. I will never get back in tax cuts what I have lost to inflation. Why couldn’t a Harvard MBA grad see this coming?
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
BSer @ 2:18 - I am a Child Of The 70’s, and even then I was more interested in Bosley than any of the Angels. :-P
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG @ 12:18, I think you may be distressed to learn to which politicians the Bear Stearns guys contributed their tainted money (I have not looked it up, but I have a suspicion.) Investment “bankers” are never conservatives. Rule of the world, if a fellow calls himself a “banker” with an adjective precedent, but is truly a deal-maker, watch your wallet, he is a democrat. More to the point of your essay, “government” employees (e.g., Federal Reserve bureaucrats) are not conservatives, “easy money” is not a conservative ideal, and conservatives do not proffer NYC or Chrysler-style bailouts – that is strictly what our friend MidSouth calls corporatism or what I call statism. You may shout “ignore the man behind the curtain” but I will not.
Dear Jackie @ 12:49, I agree with your post. “Fascists” are those who use the tools of government to control free enterprise. While that does not define a conservative, it certainly does define those who run the Congress.
Dear Captain @ 1:19, I see you bought into Jimmy Carter’s single lie, that his administration “deregulated” banking. Tell me what exactly was deregulated, after you explain Truth in Lending, Equal Credit Opportunity, Fair Credit Reporting, Home Mortgage Disclosure Act, Community Reinvestment Act, and the comically misnamed Depository Institutions Deregulation And Monetary Control Act of 1980. About the only thing deregulated in our lifetimes were the interest rates that institutions could pay, but there you would have to explain (1) why disintermediation was a good thing and (2) how the present rates, half that paid during the period that government told the banks how much to pay, has endangered the banking system. Not that the truth would ever matter to a leftist – that would derail a phony rant, wouldn’t it.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this
Dear Deegee @ 2:23, hope you saw this argument today:
Democrats may not be able to agree on a Presidential nominee, but at least they’re united on one thing: The ghost of Herbert Hoover now stalks the land.
Senator Chuck Schumer – you had already guessed that – kicked off the revival last month on the Senate floor, claiming that the Bush Administration’s policy was “Let the economy sink” and “We heard that from Herbert Hoover.”
A week later, Mr. Schumer returned to his history lesson in a press release claiming that “this President is beginning to resemble Herbert Hoover in his hands-off approach.”
Hillary Clinton joined the seance next, tentatively at first. On March 18, she said that “nobody likes to make comparisons” to the Great Depression, while noting that her colleague Mr. Schumer was doing it anyway. Five days later, Mr. Schumer was back at it on the Sunday talk circuit, echoing Representative Marcy Kaptur’s (D., Ohio) claim that “we have the most anemic job growth since Herbert Hoover.”
By last week, Mrs. Clinton was in full Ghostbusters mode, claiming that John McCain’s speech on the housing problem “sounds remarkably like Herbert Hoover, and I don’t think that’s good economic policy.”
No, Senator, it surely isn’t. Around our [WSJ] offices, we’re still recovering from the fact that Hoover was the last Presidential candidate we’ve endorsed. We’ve been trashing Hoovernomics ever since. The issue this year, however, is who is really pursuing the Hoover model.
To hear Mr. Schumer and his fellow-traveling columnists tell it, Hoover’s great policy blunder was to do nothing, all the while insisting that everything was fine. But the problem with Hoover’s economic policy isn’t that it was passive but that it was actively destructive.
In 1930, he signed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, setting off a wave of protectionist retaliation that undid the globalization of the preceding decades and did far more harm to the world economy than the stock-market crash ever did. Two years later, amid a bad recession, he undid the Calvin Coolidge-Andrew Mellon tax cuts, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 63% from 25%. The recession became a Depression.
Now, since we’re talking Hoover, which Presidential candidate has a similar agenda of protectionism and tax increases? Hmmm.
Oh, that’s right. Just the other day, one of the candidates for President was saying she’d withdraw from Nafta if the Mexicans didn’t do what she demanded, and she wants “a pause” in free trade. She also wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts, more than doubling the rate on dividends back to 39.6% from 15%.
Her Democratic opponent agrees with her, except that he’d raise taxes even more, including by eliminating the $102,000 cap on income when you include employers), and raising the capital gains tax to at least 25%, and maybe even 28%, from of Barack Obama’s tax increases and his proposals would get entirely too close to Hoover’s top marginal rate of 63%.
Maybe we should be afraid of Hoover’s ghost.
jbmlaw addition: We conservatives may be dumb, but unlike democrats we did learn something 80 years ago and will not repeat those mistakes.
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw @ 2:45 - Get back to me when you have actual FACTS rather than your shysterish suspicions.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
I suppose we have had time to hear from the outlying districts and not a single person on this blog has read Obama’s autobiography. Not even Devastator? I cannot believe you guys are going to allow Chairman Ann to win that argument by default.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG @ 3:00, after reading your 12:18 I was persuaded you were on a fact-free diet.
By Capt. Ron
April 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
By peter April 3, 2008 1:30 PM Is anyone wondering why all of a sudden George Bush and the Republicans are now behaving like VERY Liberal Democrat’s?
As opposed to what peter, just REGULAR Liberal Democrats they’ve acted like for eight years - minus tax cuts for working Americans and having a backbone to fight our enemies? Actually if memory serves me correctly, it’s only been recently that Dubya started using his veto pen. He should have done that long ago, but he had to be nice and reach across the isle while the rest of we taxpayers don’t even get a reacharound.
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
Esquire @ 3:12 - I like facts, not false suppositions masquerading as facts - such as the suppositions that you and your ilk have swallowed whole over the last 8 years that have gotten this country into the mess it’s in.
Present a FACT, not a “suspicion” that we’re supposed to accept because it came from The Lawyer, and then we’ll start talking. If you want to discuss what the voices inside your head are telling you, then discuss it with them.
By @@
April 3, 2008 3:38 PM | Link to this
See the difference?
It appears as though James Earl (the leftist) isn’t smart enough to see….
GayGrayGeek @ 2:11:
Love The Fetus, Hate The Child.
I would argue that it is the left who acknowledges no potential in the former, and seeks to diminish the potential in the latter through the liberal practice of social engineering.
By Copyleft
April 3, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
How does making unsupported and snide claims constitute “winning” an argument?
Oh, right—she’s a fascist, I mean neocon, I mean Republican… so that makes it okay.
Here’s me winning an argument: “Bush probably molests puppies.” What, NONE of you have watched him 24/7 for the past fifty years and can prove I’m wrong by, say, 4 P.M. today? I guess I win! Bush is a puppy molestor!
This kind of “reasoning” is pathetic.
By getalife
April 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this
“Faced with unprecedented filibusters, the only way to ensure Senate passage of the GI Bill is to get 60 cosponsors. So far, McCain has refused. The same McCain who insists he supports our troops.”
The gop does not support the troops. They abuse them. Take those flag pins off their suits and call them unpatriotic corporatists because that is what they are.
Scum.
By Dusty
April 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
My goodness. The jaded bird brains here are buzzing today. Poor ol geezers. Just mention genetics and they get all excited and nearly break a frisky leg.
Captain Freedom even wore his frilly peignoir to greet visitors at WalMart. But business fell off badly and children screamed loudly. He’s fired. Even WalMart has its limits.
No need to worry about RedNeck. He has one of those freaky genes that limits cranial enhancement (shhh..it’s called DUMB.)It is passed from one beer drinker generation to the next. That’s why he calls his hot dog stand The Beer Truck. Poor baby!
Jim Wooten should not worry about sperm bank donors and other foot loose and fancy donors. These gentlemen are the genuine “hit & runners” which are genetically related to “cut & runners” and we know who THEY are. Their concern about their offspring in these cases is flat zero.
Let’s not waste research money on the genes of such dimwits. Stick with stem cells. Now there’s something worth mentioning.
By festering lib
April 3, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this
Are we to surmise from GGG’s very emotional non-engagement with jbmlaw and cutting and running while whimpering some childish insults is the mindset of a typical lib?
By AmVet
April 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Support our troops?
Robert Lopez served 8 years in our military, fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan as a tank commander. He was told he’d get his whole education bill paid for when he got out of the service. Mr. Lopez has fought and sacrificed for our country but like so many others, Mr. Lopez has faced the bleak reality of a government that has turned its back on its veterans.
That is why Senators Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel proposed the new GI Bill, which would bring back WWII-style standards of providing vets with full tuition, room and board. And that is why 51 senators have signed on, including 9 Republicans like John Warner, giving this GI Bill tremendous bi-partisan support.
But it isn’t enough. Faced with unprecedented filibusters, the only way to ensure Senate passage of the GI Bill is to get 60 co-sponsors. So far, John McCain has refused. The same McCain who insists he supports our troops. The same McCain who is voting lockstep with the Bush administration (who have also resisted this bill). We need to get John McCain to do the right thing — to sign now and signal to other Republican leaders that we should be strongly behind our vets.
Support our troops
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this
Festering Moron @ 4:06 - FYI, the ONLY “cuttin’-n-runnin’” going on here is from the Esquire not backing up his “suspicions” with any verifiable FACTS and instead trying to obfuscate his way around his fact-free-ness.
By blistering libs
April 3, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this
Is it any wonder that libs have no intestinal fortitude for conflict? They can’t even handle an online debate.
Pathetic losers - born to be - will always be.
By Dusty
April 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this
@@ 3:38
Did you say that James Earl and GGG are one and the same?
Could be. Neither one ever says anything worth mentioning.
jbmlaw@3:12
Factfree diet?!!! I fear you have developed a case of PoFoProlifics..
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Festering Festus @ 4:17 - At 2:45 the Esquire claimed that he suspected that the receipients of Bear Stearns’ biggest corporate donations were of the non-Paleocon variety. I’ve been asking all afternoon for him to provide some evidence (you know, that stuff Lawyers are supposed to be familiar with) to back up his claim. Instead it’s been him trying desperately to change the topic as well as dittoheads like yourself trying to claim that the Esquire has “won” because he’s cut-n-run.
Typical Paleocon “up is down, left is right, right is wrong” illogic you got working there, bub. The only person in this without the intestinal fortitude for conflict has been the cut-n-run Esquire. You, on the other hand - well, calling you dumb as a brick would be an insult to masonry.
By Bored
April 3, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Dang. It got all Dusty in here again. Cough. Cough. Hack. Hack.
By GayGreyGeek
April 3, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
DustBuster @ 4:18 - Yet, yet, yet … like a kitten chasing after the light from a laser pointer, you can’t help but reply to me, can you? Shouldn’t you be down at your local enlistment office instead of blogging? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
By @@
April 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Dusty:
Did you say that James Earl and GGG are one and the same?
Could be. Neither one ever says anything worth mentioning.
Which is exactly why I couldn’t care less if they are.
It’s rare that we can find a liberal here who doesn’t suffer from the one-brain linkage or leakage….
whichever.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG @ various times, all I want to do is get your feet into concrete first. Repeat after me, “neither Bear Stearns, nor any other Wall Street investment “banking” firms, contribute more money to democrats than they do to republicans.” Thus locked in, I’ll document my prejudice, that “investment” bankers are not conservatives - the obverse of your suggestion of conservative corruption in the Bear Stearns “bailout”.
On the other hand, if you concede the likely truth of my observation - instead of the evasive “well give me proof first” - the world will run more efficiently as well as truthfully.
By peter
April 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
Hey Captain Ron…….. Just what enemies are they fighting?
By Matt
April 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
I asked this question the other day, and then I did some research (minor at that)
Does anyone know corporate tax rates for the US (Wikipedia says 35% backed up with IRS reference that checks out).
Does anyone know what the corporate tax rates are like in Europe? (Wikipedia says 15% to 25%, but no reference) If Obama/Hillary are planning to raise taxes on corporations, what kind of effect will this have on the job market?
Personally, I don’t mind paying more in taxes to help offset the cost of Iraq/deficit. I consider myself a conservative, and I think we need to start acting a little more fiscally responsible as a nation. However, let it be known now, Capital Gains/Dividends/Corporate Taxes are increase, America (which isn’t a great place for investment) will be an even more terrible place for investment. My take on this is that we’ll continue to have a declining dollar, as well as a decline job market as important Foreign Investments are withdrawn from this market and put into places like Europe, Asia, & Africa.
My request to those still reading this blog is simple, are my facts straight, does the U.S. tax corporations heavier than Europe? What are the Capital Gains Taxes and Dividends Taxes like in Europe?
By CandlestickMaker
April 3, 2008 5:30 PM | Link to this
Basra is the economic capital and heart pulse of Iraq.
By TAFKAH
April 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this
Shorter jbm: Agree with my baseless bullsh!t and the argument will proceed swimmingly!!
Here’s the rule…when a wingnut spouts groundless speculation, it indicates he is a serious thinker. Subsequent refusal to produce evidence is seen as strength. When a liberal demands verification, repeatedly, as if inviting the wingnut to prove himwrong, it shows that the liberal is “cutting and running”. Stick with that, and you understand the bulk of our media coverage over the past 25 years. Liberal media my a$$.
Capt Ron: Bush never used the veto pen until recently because the GOP-led Congress fe11ated him so nicely. Do you complain when someone caresses your nutsack?
By Dusty
April 3, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
OH!!NO! HE DID’T SAY THAT,DID HE?
Yes, he did. Just what enemies are they fighting? (5:21)
Peter doesn’t know what enemy they (WE) are fighting. I think I will go burn some steak for dinner. Makes as much sense as that question.
By GayGrayGeek
April 3, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
DustBuster @ 5:39 - You refuse to fight for your country, so there is no “WE” to your claim. At least, until you get yourself down to your enlistment office and sign up.
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, DUSTY?
By Dusty
April 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this
Well, looks like snakes are coming out of hibernation. TAFKAH is here.
Time to go check my steak. G’nite all.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Dear Matt @ 5:28, you are on target. If you need some hard numbers on world wide corporate tax rates, I may be able to find something on the WSJ site. I remember an editorial page article in January or February this year.
By GayGrayGeek
April 3, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this
Esquire @ 5:17 - YOU are the one who made the supposition, so YOU can be the one to provide some PROOF and FACTS first before I’ll consider any type of agreement.
I realize that DittoBobbleHeads such as yourself are used to conversations where everyone agrees with you, but this isn’t that conversation. Provide some verifiable information first, and then - and ONLY then - can we discuss me putting a toe into your cement.
By ForMatt
April 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
International Comparisons on Tax Policy
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG @ perhaps I misread. Some moron posted, under your name, “Nice try, but the biggest chunk of those (Carl Sagan Voice) BILLIONS AND BILLIONS (/Carl Sagan Voice) Jackie referred to were given by your Paleocon pals at the Fed to your Big Bidness friends at Bear Stearns. The only “pummeling with bricks” you should do is up-side your own head for your blind support of such doofuses.” Obviously fact free. I argue that this was an action by democrats for the exclusive benefit of democrats. I suppose I offer as much fact as you, but before I waste my time proving you a doofus, I wish to get your doofus shoes in concrete, to magnify the humiliation I intend to serve.
By GayGrayGeek
April 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
TAFKAH @ 5:31 - The only “argument” that the Paleocon DittoBobbleHeads want to engage in is one where they all sit around and nod their heads in agreement with one another. As we’ve seen this afternoon from the Esquire as well as at 5:48 from the DustBuster, if they’re challenged in any way they pull the Cut-N-Run Routine and then start claiming that they’ve therefore “won”.
Nothing like calling out the Nattering Nabobs of Neoconservatism and watching the roaches scatter, is there?
By HC
April 3, 2008 6:00 PM | Link to this
The Counselor asks only that libs closely examine the bs they lay down day after day. Who can blame them? I wouldn’t want to dig around in their pileSOS either. QUIT LAYING IT DOWN!
THINK BEFORE YOU SH!T MORONS!
Is that too much to ask?
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this
There’s plenty of info out there on tax rates. Ireland has done a pretty good job of late in attracting business. Their top individual tax rate is 42% and the corporate rate is 12.5%. I say what are we waiting for. Let’s change our rates such that we can attract business away from Ireland. Top individual rate of 50% and top corporate rate of 5%. That should do it.
By jbmlaw
April 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
Dear GGG, the real reason I want to humiliate you on this issue is that everything you post is BS. I am merely trying to make you commit to a real position, so I can hammer you and make it last. As is, I prove my point and you in your usual weasel fashion say, “well I never said otherwise.”
As for the substance, it is a no-brainer. Wall Street has contributed big for Obama and Hillary, and not very much at all to any republicans, so this will be an easy one to embarrass you on.
By GayGrayGeek
April 3, 2008 6:06 PM | Link to this
Esquire @ 5:55 - ‘Twas your Paleocon Pals at the Fed who bailed out Bear Stearns, not the Democratic party. I realize that one of your favorite tactics is “Proof By Repeated Assertion”, but when the Assertions are nothing but a bunch of caca-del-toro, you need to expect to Put Up Or Shut Up. Since you refuse to do the former, please do the latter.
By There's no discount
April 3, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
on the federal tax levied on corporations at the state level either.
Gotta figure that in too.
By TAFKAH
April 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this
I’m not sure, but I believe it likely that jbm f^cks goats in his spare time. It is said to elevate his spirit after a day of lawyering. Perhaps jbm would care to offer some definitive proof that this is not true. Until then, I rest easy with my supposition, as it has not been contradicted in any meaningful way.
As for you, Dusty, even your chosen St John can’t figure out who we are fighting. I know you think it’s easy…let’s just start shooting at whatever raghead jumps up and says boo, but in the real world, it pays to know who your real enemies are. It could save billions of dollars and thousands of lives.
By BadOleBoys
April 3, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw,
The Oracle of Omaha has made it very clear that he wants to see a Democrat (there are two to choose from) in the White House. What do you think of his position and why do you think he wants a Dem over a Republican?
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