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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
No surprise here, but the commentary on America offered by Barack Obama’s minister of 20 years, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., continues to bedevil Obama’s candidacy.
Campaigning in Greensboro, N.C., Wednesday, Obama returned to the Wright debacle to insist that people are paying too much attention to a few “stupid” comments. “This is somebody that was preaching three sermons at least a week for 30 years and it got boiled down…into a half-minute sound clip and just played it over and over and over again, partly because it spoke to some of the racial divisions we have in this country.”
Hillary Clinton knows what the rest of us do. Wright’s dissing of his country in the pulpit offended the values of a majority of Americans — and it’s not going away. She stated Tuesday what should be obvious to the rest of us. “I think that given all we have heard and seen, he would not have been my pastor,” she said, weighing in directly for the first time. She puts her finger on the point that it’s hard to get past: Sure, we’ve all been in the presence of people who say nutty things, including some who aren’t relatives. But 20 years?
Wright is doing his part, such as he can, to help the controversy die down, for the time being at least. He’s canceling plans to preach at a number of churches and to make other public appearances.
Democrats, recognizing the potential fallout (loss of the White House) are desperate to get the Obama-Hillary competition over quickly. Some 28 percent of Clinton supporters say they would vote for John McCain if Obama is the nominee, while 19 percent of Obama supporters say they would choose McCain if she is the nominee, according to analysis of Gallup tracking polls.
The pressure’s being put on Hillary to drop out, possibly in return for a promise to be chosen as Senate Majority Leader next year. Some Democrats are also suggesting that the superdelegates get together after the last primary in June to anoint a nominee prior to the convention in August.
Hillary should not give in to the pressure — and not because the on-going dispute works to McCain’s favor. One of the two nominees, either the Democrat or the Republican, will be President next year. McCain is my first choice but Hillary would be my second, admittedly with a huge gap between choice one and two.
Her domestic policies will drive me nuts, but I’m far from ready to turn national security over to a an inexperienced senator who, given absolute free choice, picked Jeremiah Wright.
Comments
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I am not persuaded that Arch-Cardinal Wright said anything not fully embraced by a majority of democrats. Indeed, everything he said sounded like the stuff our friends AmVet and Dennis and Getalife (and many lesser leftist “intellectuals”) post here on a daily basis. I think the only real controversy is that the Obamaites figured out that a huge majority of Americans disagree, and thus they are “busted.” I originally thought this would pass quickly, but I think the words of the pastor have stained his long-time parishioner and friend.
The most intriguing aspect (to me) of the entire conflagration (isn’t that damnation imagery amusing?) is that it highlights what Rev. MLK called our most segregated hour. White folks’s churches break up over seemingly inconsequential matters - hymns being left out of the new hymnal, change in the music director, change in way we celebrate Eucharist, trimming some traditional ceremony, etc. Black folks’s churches seem to have patience with some pretty extreme behaviors. I’m not sure, but maybe our black brothers have the better perspective, one where one’s church membership is viewed as more like a marriage or a loopy family than a mere social connection.
Closely related news story, which I call “Useful Idiots (but they support the troops):”
WASHINGTON (AP) - Saddam Hussein’s intelligence agency secretly financed a trip to Iraq for three U.S. lawmakers during the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion, federal prosecutors said Wednesday. The three anti-war Democrats made the trip in October 2002, while the Bush administration was trying to persuade Congress to authorize military action against Iraq. While traveling, they called for a diplomatic solution. The lawmakers are not named in the indictment but the dates correspond to a trip by Democratic Reps. Jim McDermott of Washington, David Bonior of Michigan and Mike Thompson of California. None was charged and Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said investigators “have no information whatsoever” any of them knew the trip was underwritten by Saddam.
“Obviously, we didn’t know it at the time,” McDermott spokesman Michael DeCesare said Wednesday. “The trip was to see the plight of the Iraqi children. That’s the only reason we went.”
Statistical analysis of Florida and Michigan democrat primaries, written by a Republican: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120657950286167233.html?mod=djemEditorialPage Persuasively argues how to seat delegates.
By Craig
March 27, 2008 9:12 AM | Link to this
Jim may I commend for your consideration the following article?
http://chronicle.com/free/v54/i30/30b00101.htm
Written by an evangelical Christian leader in Chicago, it presents the situation with Rev. Wright in a little different light. Did you know for example that in the early years of the Viet Nam war, he was a true American hero? With apologies to THE Captain, while the decider and his Cheney were in hiding, the good reverend volunteered to go to Viet Nam and serve our country.
I realize that it will make no difference to some of the more knee jerk partisans around here - Dusty, the counselor, and Rufus for example - but it’s a little more complex than Hannity and Fox News would have you believe.
By W
March 27, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
My fellow followers,
Let me start by saying that I am sure grateful that Jim is not on his kick about social security and that foolish lock box notion. What a stupid idea. Thinking that the government would possess a box that it cannot unlock. Anyway, now we can focus on more important matters such as the relevance of a lone preacher amongst all of us “free-thinking” independent Americans. I mean it’s not like he promised anyone anything special if they would just drink some kool-aid. It’s not at all like the promise of security from what ails you socially that I have offered. Now get out there and get a good paying job at Retire-Mart. After all, wars cost money — lots of money.
Thank You, Your Leader, W
By George Washington
March 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this
As long as the Rev Wright and his ilk are not part of an Obama administration I am willing to overlook the good revs comments. But if people with Rev in front of their names are going to be appointed to high federal positions, or nominated for cabinet postions, then Obama needs to say so now so I can vote for McCancer face instead, and I hate and dispise McCancer face.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
The great question before us is whether god should damn america (whatever that poetic hip hop ebonical folkloric phrase means) for perceived or real injustices perpetrated by america against generations and generations and generations of black america.
the great question is, does the black community want god to damn america, (whatever that means), for real or perceived injustices against generations and generations and generations of black america.
The great question before us is “Why is there a black america”
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this
Craig - No, no, nonononono. The situation is whatever Rushannity say it is. We can’t have The Masses trying that newfangled “think for themselves”, or anything. The Masses must be told what to think by those who know how to think. You know, the Little People need to be guided by Real People so they don’t think about Those People except in the most negative ways.
And the desperation of the Repubs is almost reaching the same level as Hillary Huckabee. The R’s have already used up gays and lesbians as their “villains” with all the “Marriage Protection Amendments” in 2002, 2004 and 2006. The only “roll out the casual wingnut voter” tool that the R’s have remaining (almost said “left”, hehehe) this year is to go “Boogah! Boogah! Billary!”. It’s in the R’s best interests for the Stupundits like Rushannity and JW, and/or all the crossover primary voters in, say, Texas, to try to ensure that Billary Huckabee is the Dem’s nominee.
By AmVet
March 27, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, your penchant for pedantic and obtuse “conservative” rhetoric is well known here.
But at the risk of calling you an outright prevaricator, please enlighten me (and the rest of the known universe) where ANYTHING I have ever written here is even remotely like …everything he said sounded like the stuff our friends AmVet…post here on a daily basis.
Here’s your chance to shine (or not) counselor.
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this
Dear AmVet @ 9:27, prevaricator is the nicest thing you have ever posted. All you ever put up are epithets. I think you might have capacity to form real argument, but we never see it here.
By W
March 27, 2008 9:34 AM | Link to this
My fellow relatives,
It has come to my attention that there are some out there that have made claims to my family inheritance. Now you just listen here, my oil money goes for my food and no one elses. Some distant supposed cousin nine or ten times removed is not about to change that fact. We denounced in-breeding years ago and so there’s no need to keep bringing it up. So just get a life of your own.
Your Welcome, Your Leader, W
By George Washington
March 27, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this
AmVet - That’s ALLEGED counselor, we have no proof that the clown really is a lawyer, let alone a limo riding corporate mouth piece.
By Craig
March 27, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
Thank you O wise Gaygeek - I think I understand better now… haha… it could very well be that Obama’s mistake was to think that he could have an intelligent conversation with Americans about race. I guess we’ll see…
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this
Dear Craig @ 9:12, I don’t buy the “crazy Viet Nam vet” explanation. I think this guy is just a salesman, providing the product his congregation is buying.
By Copyleft
March 27, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this
You HOPE it’s “not going away,” Wooten… because it’s all you’ve got to work with in a desperate attempt to stop the inevitable Democratic triumph this November.
But the only people listening are the ones who WANTED an excuse to hate Obama anyway—the wingnuts who would no sooner vote for a smart, capable Democrat than they would pay attention to what’s best for the country (in between blowing up brown people and shooting at gays).
Not once have any of the brilliant right-wing pundits here offered a serious criticism of Obama’s stance on the ISSUES. They look for personal dirt and “controversial” family-history ties, because that’s all they can come up with. And they certainly don’t trumpet the virtues of Johnny McLame, who they despise and will only vote for because he’s got an (R) after his name.
America can see who has good ideas for the future, and who is lost in personal attacks and sniping because they have nothing solid to offer. And America will be voting OUT the neocons this November. McLame will be booted to the curb right along with them.
It’s a great day to be a REAL American… a liberal American, and not a pathetic, spiteful Republican loser! Wheee!
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Link to this
AmVet - remember, in that part of WootenWorld known as jbmlawland, anything the rest of us call “demonstrable fact” and/or “verifiable truth” is known as an “epithet”. It’s the same part of doublegood newspeak that gave us WMDs in Iraq, Brownie doing a heckuva job, “Mission Accomplished”, young children not needing health care, and unicorns pooping rainbows.
By Peter
March 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this
Funny Jim and others say we do not need a leader with inexperience like Obama.
Would Jim say Bush was actually experienced ?
After almost 8 years of terrible leadership, I might vote for FRESH, Change, and inexperience.
Heck anything close to the experience we get from a guy similar to BUSH, and this country will go RIGHT to Heck in a hand basket.
Sorry Jim, with Bush in power your argument holds NO water.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 9:51 AM | Link to this
We dont need god to damn america.
That we are still without a leader that could inspire a dialogue between the two americas, white and minority, or in a few generations, white and majority, is damning enough.
It is damning that we cannot see history as truth; that we have to spin the reality of racism to assuage the political liabilities that adhere to the discussion of any issue. It is damning enough that we allow owned-media to attach treason to the premises of every debate.
We dont need god to damn america. Our damnation, my dear friends, is in our selves.
By AmVet
March 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this
Counselor, your cute witticism aside, that I can be vulgar is not the topic. Nor is that, when insulted, I can at “the place and time of my choosing” reply in kind.
But
That you refuse to even attempt to prove your scurrilous point about me is.
And your conspicuous silence screams out volumes.
And for better or worse, lends credence to the awful stereotype of your profession…
GW, granted I do tend to take people at their word. Not always the best choice, I suppose, but the alternative is to be like the lunatic fringe here who is so paranoid, EVERYTHING they don’t want to hear is a “lie”.
By W
March 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this
My fellow followers,
I just want to take this opportunity to thank you for believing in me all this time. I know that you trust every word I say so let me take advantage of that fact and ask you to not vote for Ron Paul. If you don’t like someone because of his extreme liberal leanings or his penchant for obfuscation — amongst other things, then by all means vote for one of my cousins. After all, the most important thing is to preserve the integrity of the crown’s lineage.
Thank You, Your Leader, W.
By Dennis
March 27, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this
Ah! Mr. Wooten comes along with another of his “holier than thou” colums. He wants to talk about the “Rev.” Wright? OK, let’s also include the “Rev” James Dobson (to begin with).
Dobson will not vote for McCain under any circumstances. But he has sure supported GWB who has led this nation down the drain.
Fundamentalist television evangelist Rev. Pat Robertson has made no secret of a willingness to cross over into politics and publicly approve or disapprove political candidates and national policies. At one time, Robertson publicly advocated for the death of Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez. Regarding the presidential election of 2004, Robertson said of George W. Bush, “The Lord has just blessed him…I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn’t make any difference what he does, good or bad, God picks him up because he’s a man of prayer and God’s blessing him.”
Then there’s “Rev” Hagee, who has endorsed the Middle East war policies of Bush in order that “scripture” will be “fulfilled” if there is a war between Israel and the rest of the Middle East; and in Hagee’s view, he will have hastened the second coming of Jesus instead of letting that second coming go longer and longer and longer and….
Mr. Wooten seems willing to pounce on the “sins” of Obama, but not on those of war criminal, George W. Bush.
“O Mensch, bewein’ dein’ Sunde Gross.”
But of such is “objective” right-wing journalism.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By getalife
March 27, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
Clinton lead on the economy and Obama is just now giving his speech because he cut and ran to the beach.
Lazy and late as usual.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 10:18 AM | Link to this
We should be damned if we cant embrace the peoples of america as we find them, unpruned by undedicated discretion. Un-Dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Rev. Wright is my equal. I defend his right to speak by enlisting in the war on terror against the 911 conspirators, about whose whereabouts Bush is not concerned. Bush is no friend to the flags that fell on 911, for he failed to bring our enemies to bay, and struck an innocent bystander, indeed, he struck a global nerve so fouly that the solar system howls in protest and the gravitational pull of the sun becomes less holy.
justice damns america, not god. We dont need god to damn us. We’ve done that ourselves.
Obama 08: he doesn’t deserve a damn
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Link to this
getaclue - At least Obama hasn’t been “under sniper fire” while he’s been off being a responsible parent. That’s more than you can say for the father of Hill’s child.
Hillary Huckabee, trying her durnedest to make John McClone the Oksana Baiul of 2008…
By Dennis
March 27, 2008 10:29 AM | Link to this
By jbmlaw March 27, 2008 9:09 AM Closely related news story, which I call “Useful Idiots (but they support the troops):” WASHINGTON (AP) - Saddam Hussein’s intelligence agency secretly financed a trip to Iraq for three U.S. lawmakers during the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.”
Well…. Is the issue of who paid for the trips more important than who made the trips? I mean, we have pictures of Bush (one) sitting down on a couch next to Saddam, Kissinger shaking hands with Saddam…. But that’s ok?
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By AmVet
March 27, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this
GGG, some of my favorite “conservative” doublespeak - The Clear Skies Initiative, The Healthy Forests Initiative, The Patriot Act and Make the Pie Higher.
And that the “faithful” swallowed this BS, hook, line and sinker still utterly amazes me…
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
AmVet - what amazes me even more is the “cult of personality” they’ve built up over the last 8 years surrounding a person with so little personality to begin with.
By Lily Toad
March 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this
Lenny Bruce used profanity to prove that if a certain word is used enough its power to shock is diminished. Fox News playing Rev. Wright’s sound bite over and over will eventually fail to shock. If a few words from Wright’s speech is all that Jim has against Obama, that’s pretty pathetic.
By getalife
March 27, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this
And w is giving a speech on Iraqi welfare.
He broke it and owns it.
But wastes your tax money and your kids lives for Iraqi welfare.
Pathetic.
By getalife
March 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this
“All articles from 1996 can be found via LexisNexis. It is obvious that the area was dangerous. Senator Clinton was protected by sharpshooters. Moreover, we know that it was the first independent trip by a First Lady into a military zone since Eleanor Roosevelt.”
So far, Wright the kook attacked Whites, Jews, Italians and today we learn he supports Hamas.
Obama should have walked away from this divisive kook but shows his unity is bs.
A sure loser in the general and nothing will change.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
Getalife, I’m flattered that you copy every nuance of my style, the rest of you too, but you cant hide from the fact that you knew not that we didn’t liberate the sunnis, we ousted them.
We liberated the shia. Now we fight with the ousted sunnis because we found out what radicals the shia are.
W had no idea about this. He knew not any of this. Nothing. Bush knew nada.
SNAFUBAR = W’s War
That’s why it’s an unsolvable mission of war. The formula is stupid. We oust a government only to reinstate that same government? Well, you see, Islam is theo-political so you cant really separate the two, if you oust a religion the socio-politics goes with it, and vice versa.
See why Jim Wooten dare not enunciate a mission for US troops in Iraq.
The ignorance. Oh the ignorance.
the ignorance.
By AmVet
March 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this
It is indeed sad, GGG, that the “leaders” of the GOP have indisputably lost their way. And arrogantly refuse to admit it.
But even more dismaying to me, is the huge number of American voters who not only enabled them, they emulated them! Especially as regards their lack of reason and hateful rhetoric.
To wit: I have denounced the Rev. Wright’s words as racist and xenophobic. I’m not saying I’m right, but that’s my opinion.
And I enlisted in the US Armed Forces when I was a starry eyed 17 year old when this country was involved in another “war”.
So for one of the apologists here to label me the same as someone who says GD America and KKK America is where I draw the line.
At least the Goering-like Dusty will tell you to your face that you are an American-hating non-patriot.
Others here rely on slightly more sophisticated sophistry…
By jm
March 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
I wonder when Mr. Wooten will start writing columns about why we should vote for Senator McCain (someone he did not initially support and maybe still does not) instead why we should not vote for Senator Obama (who has yet to win the nomination). It bothers me that more and more our political process has become why you “should not vote for that other person” rather than why “you should vote for this person”. Perhaps Mr. Wooten is a closet Hillary supporter?
By Craig
March 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this
Lily I’ve thought exactly the same thing - that the Repubs, as usual, are overplaying their hand. Repetition ad nauseum will just reduce the power of Wright’s words. Jim is desperate to latch on to polls that support his view that Obama is damaged. Other polls, though, tend to show that while he was damaged by it, it’s not fatal, and he’s already coming back.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this
getaclue - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc Hillary Huckabee needs to quit Swiftboating herself, grasp the fact that she’s not going to be the Dem nominee, and bow out with more grace than either she or her husband have been able to display thus far during this campaign.
AmVet - Having lived thru being the target of the “Marriage Protection Amendment” whirlwinds in GA in 2004 and SC in 2006, I’m right there with you when it comes to the lack of thought and vile, un-Christ-like verbage of “Christian conservatives”.
And, if the DustBuster is playing the part of Goering, would that mean The Counselor was playing the part of Quisling? I mean, if he’s going to accuse us of using epithets, I figure we may as well use some that (a) he might actuall understand and (b) really are epithets…
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
The Fire and Brimstone from Wright will make voters impeach their outrageous, unbridled, and unreasoned support for Obama. The more clever, discrete passions that remain, thus scrutinized, will make voters immune from the swiftboating of orbital personalites which provides the polling ballast upon which McCain and Hillary’s hopes cling.
Obama remains centered.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Link to this
jm @ 11:01 - See my comment from earlier this morning. The only hope the R’s have this fall is to have not-Obama as the Dem’s nominee, so they can roll out the “BOOGAH! BOOGAH! BILLARY!” scare tactics to get their obviouisly massively disinterested “base” out to the polls in November.
By Glenn
March 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this
That’s weird. Either the server or the filter ate my post. Oh, well. I guess the beerhawks won’t be heard from today. Just as well. More time for beer & the History Channel.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
Wright thinking, after all is said and done, is Right Thinking.
Forced to re-examine our Obamamania, he emerges immune from any more swiftboating by Wooten et al.
It’s meant 2B, and so it is.
Obama 08: It’s meant to be.
By jm
March 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this
Glenn@11:31 - if you find yourself in Athens this weekend, the Terrapin Brewery is having its grand opening. Not sure where your taste in beer lies but I find their offerings quite tasty.
By Adam
March 27, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this
The Dems have been in such a swoon over Obamamania and his undefined call for “change” the they never paused to think what change he might have in mind. In typical fashion they charge forth with an emotional fury wholly without substance. Obama has been allowed to incessantly call for “change” and never bother with details.
So when a little insight into the actual man emerges they are quick to downplay the possibility that he is nothing more than an eloquent, well spoken Louis Farrakan disciple. The thought of anyone listening to Hate America sermons for 20 years while jumping up and down in the Amen Brother congregation should bother anyone thinking of voting for him for President.
Also, trying to rely on his military service as evidence of his undying devotion to his country is absurd. Lee Harvey Oswald and Timothy McVeigh both served. It seems Rev Wright’s thoughts regarding his country are more in that vein.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this
Adam @ 11:42 - that reliance on military service could, and does, equally apply to Bushy McClone.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
No, adam, we rely on President Bush’s military service to justify obamamania and define the target of change.
Rev. Wright has done a great service to America by slapping our white majority faces with the black hand of truth: we dont need god to damn america. We damn ourselves.
By getalife
March 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
This should make the radical right very proud
Absolutely unfreakinbelievable.
Pitiful.
By Glenn
March 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this
jm, thanks for the news tip, which I’m sure will sail right over the green eyeshades of the AJC staff as they burrow into such trivial matters as the fate of nations and the price of presidents in China.
Good music I trust, for the brewery opening? Last I heard the triangular Carolinians were heading for Athens and Atlanta to scoop up whatever music money remains after the bet and the South African personnel carriers are paid for.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this
I hate it when I get out-marooned.
That’s why I wont do 2 blogs a day. Wont do it. Wont.
By dave
March 27, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this
Yes Adam…let’s keep up the “Hate” of Mexicans and Muslims that has been ongoing since “W” has been the one you put in office…
Let’s talk about “borders”…you mean the “southern” border…as a terrorist can basically take a row boat over from Canada acrss the St. Lawrence river into upstate NY with a bomb and take a bomb into NY…. stop talking about “the borders” when what you REALLY mean is keep all Mexicans out of the US… Hateful, Racist, and economically backwards…that’s what “rethuglicans” are…
Funny…before you voted for Dubya…did you “miss” tha part where every company he ever started or ran went out of business…well…he’s done a fine fine job doing the same with the US…
No matter what…yell ALL you want…Obama…WILL be our next president… and NOBODY has been worse…nobody has done more harm… to this country then your “boy”..
hey remember…9-11…it happened on HIS watch…Clinton kept this country and our borders safe from attack…as we were NOT attacked…maybe they “Waited” for the true idiot…as they were correct in their timing…7 minutes reading a book to little children about a goat instead of “taking action”..it would have been BAD to “scare” the little lids while people were jumping from flaming buildings….
He’s done and is “doing” such a GREAT job!!! Let’s keep it up! More of the same for everyone!!! YAY!!
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
getaclue @ 10:55 - So…what you’re saying is that the “snipers” were our own U.S. troops?
Desperation, thy name is Hillary Huckabee.
By John
March 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Link to this
How can we trust Obama to be a president with guts if he can’t even tell his pastor when he’s wrong or get up and leave his church over the racist and anti-american statements he made. Obama sat there and listen to Wright for 20 years along with his wife and two girls. That shows he has very very poor judgement. Will he be passive to foriegn leaders that spew insults and threats at the United States and give in to them in fear of hurting their feelings.
By Redneck Convert
March 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this
Well, this so-called Rev. Wright riled me up. Claiming us whites done bad things to Those People. I’ll have him know I didn’t have nothing to do with it. I got to admit I kind of liked it when they couldn’t vote or use our restaurants or bathrooms, but I didn’t make the laws. And if you are going to accuse me just because I voted for the people that did make the laws, I say picky, picky, picky.
And I think the godly Sen. Trent Lott was right. We would of been a lot better off today if the godly Strom Thurmond, may he rest in Heaven, would of got his way and kept us seperate. Everybody knows Those People were real happy till a bunch of rabble-rousers brow-beat Congress into passing these Civil Rights laws. Matter of fact, before then they didn’t say hardly nothing, and you never saw many of them showing up to even try to vote.
Anyway, the things this so-called Rev. Wright is complaining about is in the past. We finally give Those People the right to vote. Even if they do have to show photo ID to do it now. And if he’s going to blast us just because we cut back on welfare and Medicaid and Peachcare and other benefits for Those People, well, I say he’s just a sore loser. It’s a budget issue. We can’t have money for things like old Sonny’s Go Fish program if we are going to spend it all on keeping Those People and their kids alive.
Anyhow, I won’t be voting for this Obama or the Clinton woman neither. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose and turn my back and vote for this librul McCain. Leastwise, he has a R after his name and don’t seem too concerned about Those People and all this civil rights junk. Maybe he could even waterboard this so-called Rev. Wright and make him say he’s sorry to America.
Have a good day everybody. And hold your head up high. You probly never heard the N word in your life or used it, even if you are good white Republicans. Course, you might of used Those People oncet in a while.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this
John, so it’s blacks who owned the slaves? When you go for my style of argument at least make sense.
Wright will be seen as a hero of free speech and calling out that uncle sam has no clothes. My only criticism of the whole thing is that why cant it be Lady Liberty what’s naked?
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq. McCain didn’t define a mission, but he did define what “success” in Iraq means earlier this week on CNN. He included a sunni/shia peace in that definition, and the co-operation of all Iraq in the war on terror.
Like I said. What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
We did not liberate the Sunnis in 2003, we overthrew them. We ousted the Sunnis in 2003, we did not liberate them. We threw the sunni bums out, please memorize this fact. the sunnis were in power in 2003 and we overthrew them. in 2003.
Is the mission of US troops in Iraq to save Iraq from Iraqis? That at least makes sense, and follows the action perfectly. See? We liberate the shia and overthrow the sunnis and now we fight to overthrow the shia to liberate the sunnis.
The surge defined: 30K troops more to be bagmen for the clerics we are paying not to shoot at anything. We pay them money not to shoot. We needed 30K more mailmen (bagmen). That’s what the surge is. Bribery on a scale not seen since Bush enlisted Evangelical support for his 2000 campaign.
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 12:29 PM | Link to this
Dear Copyleft @ 9:41, “Not once have any of the brilliant right-wing pundits here offered a serious criticism of Obama’s stance on the ISSUES.” Of course, Obama does not advertise too many positions, other than cut and run (aka snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and give al Qaeda time to rebuild its forces) and chewing the fat with the cuddly goofballs who run Iran and North Korea and maybe Venezuela. The “change” he promises is a society free of any issue-discussion. (Perhaps in time-honored leftist tradition, he will simply take polls and move whichever way the wind blows.) If he actually took positions on the issues, his support would evaporate; right now Obama is a blank slate, on which anyone can write anything without fear of contradiction. For example, what does Obama propose to do about al Qaeda around the world? We know the Bush policy. What will Obama do that is different, other than duck and cover?
Dear jm @ 11:01, you pose a great question that goes to the heart of political theory. Democrats are people who are fundamentally unhappy with the world, and thus it needs radical change. Conservatives are people who are fundamentally at peace with the world, and who believe minimal change is necessary. When I affirm that (but for the two Reagan elections) I have always voted against a candidate, that is the reason. It is not particularly that I need to blindly support someone on “my team,” but I strongly desire keeping the King Canutes out of power.
By dave
March 27, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
John, So “W” (whom I sure you voted for) was one to put “in charge” of this nation?…one who ran every sing;e business he ever started into the dirt? Well guess what?.. he did it again!!!
At least Obama is not a LOSER! One who has lost the war..lost our economy, and lost our very standing among other nations. We “owe” more then we have…kind of like he was in college when he had daddy’s credit card. Call liberals “tax and spend” all you want…but it’s the “repulivicans” that spend and make only minimum payments each month. That’s why we now owe China more then we ourself our worth. It’s why the dollar is worthless around the world…It’s why Iraq was better under Saddam (who had nothing to do with 9-11 and the the Taliban now controls Afgan.. again). It’s why his oil company “buddies” make record profits while we all pay more at the pump… It’s why for ALL of you that voted “against” gay marriage” and “abortions” that they are still legal (well gays can still marry in Mass)… it’s why we give our tax dollars to the Church… yet they use them to poison society as we know it… it’s why we are slipping behind year after year in education, as many south american countries are now more advanced when it comes to simple tests…
So put “another” McLame into office… we’ve been doing so very well with the ones you elected in charge…
Guess what? I have a bigger chance of losing my “manhood” than McLame does in winning our vote.
People have spoken in all the last elections nationwide. You’re through. It’s over. You “ruined” everything! It will NOW take “generations” not years…to “fix” what you’ve done…
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 12:33 PM | Link to this
Remember: we didn’t liberate the sunnis in 2003. we overthrew them.
The mission of us troops in iraq is to save iraq from iraqis.
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 12:35 PM | Link to this
Dear jm @ 11:01, I think I may have wrongly slandered King Canute. Now that I think back on the story, he was illustrating the foolishness of the power-worshipers when he commanded the waves to remain at sea. I guess I am really just trying to keep out of power those fools who believe a command economy is a good idea.
By Bill
March 27, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this
The few negative remarks about the radical instigator Wright is nothing, and the few acknowledgements that Obama’s Parents were Muslims or atheist and Obama was once a muslim will be a small part of the true story if Obama gets the nomination. Its going to shock a few of His believers when the Republicans reveil what they have dug up on Him. To bad the truth doesn’t come out before Nomination time. About all sane people can do is Pray that God will intervene . Regardless of Who becomes President, This generation is going to experience the worst years ahead since the Civil War. God Bless America.
By Copyleft
March 27, 2008 12:46 PM | Link to this
Adam and JBM, among others, continue in their Fox-programmed chant that “Obama never gives any specifics,” despite the REPEATED posting of Obama’s detailed plans and positions on EVERY issue, right here on this blog.
And yet again (I guess we’ll have to do this every day, for the short-attention-span crowd): http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
If you need further hand-holding, I suggest you click on the links that say “Foreign Policy,” “Homeland Security,” and “Iraq.”
By getalife
March 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this
“Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.”
Obama and his radical preacher’s unity message is a lie. This is divisive and racist and they can shove their race card.
GFY Obama!
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Link to this
Obama is the next president, whether you Osama-lovers like it or not. Why dont you dig up dirt on Osama? Aren’t you concerned where Osama is?
Obama: he’s not Osama, and he’s our next president, and all traitors will be hanged who dont like it, after a fair trial and in accordance with the constitutional ammendments that address this very issue written by our founding fathers who just knew we’d eventually have to hand a bunch of total confederate scum holdovers from slavery.
By Curious Observer
March 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this
When are the Hillary backers going to get it through their heads? She’s unelectable. Her negatives outweigh her positives among the electorate, and it has been that way a long time. Do you think that’s somehow going to change, if she secures the nomination? It won’t. Nominating Hillary is equivalent to electing McCain. If you want to register a protest vote, rather than to elect a Democratic president, then by all means nominate Hillary.
By Lee
March 27, 2008 1:15 PM | Link to this
What is interesting is what is not said in this debate. What is not said is anything at all about black racism. We all pretend that black racism and bigotry doesn’t exist. But the Rev. Wright is a racist, and he is a bigot. You may find excuses as to why he is this way, and justifications for his beliefs, but he is still racist and bigoted. But everyone is tip-toing around this and pretends that what he preaches is something rather than racism. I’m also aware that Barack has said his white grandmother has said things that offend his thin black skin, but has never admitted that other members of his black family has ever said anything against white folks, or that he was ever offended by this when it happened. Obviously, he protects black racists like Wright, but outs his grandmother as a lovable racist. I’m glad Obama’s not in my family. I would out him, too.
By Jaguar Paw
March 27, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
I’d be shocked if during their long political careers, Hillary and Bill Clinton had not sat in a black church and heard similar sentiments from similar preachers in similar pulpits. Wright is not the first person to utter such nonsense. And, if they did hear such, did they speak against it, or perhaps nod. I bet there are people searching for tape right now. I hope they find it and destroy Hil, too.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this
Lee, at least make sense. So it’s blacks who owned slaves? You cant use the t**-for-tat, counter-reverse, uber-logic fiendish manuever of projected nihilism unless blacks owned the white slaves. I know you dont understand why, but that’s okay, I didn’t expect you to understand, after all, you’re you, and I accept that…
Y cant U?
By W
March 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
My fellow followers,
It has been brought to my attention that at least one of my local followers thinks that conservatives are fundamentally at peace with the world. Let me reassure my true followers that we will have peace when I say we will have peace. Now let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter — war costs money, lots of money. We will have War and Peace. For now, we have war. I will tell you when it is time for peace. Just leave your social security to me, your leader.
Thank You, Your Leader, W.
By jm
March 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw@12:29 - it is less that they are unhappy but that they believe things could be better. Unfortunately, many times they are like the cook who reasons that since a pinch of salt greatly improves the taste of a meal, a cup of salt will improve it that much more.
By DIANNE MORRIS
March 27, 2008 1:36 PM | Link to this
JIM WOOTEN IS A RACIST. I HAVE SOME QUESTION TO ANY ONE THAT CALLED REV.WRIGHT A RACIST DID YOU HEAR THE HOLD SERMON AND HAVE YOU BEEN A BLACK PERSON IN THE USA IN THE LAST 50 YEARS. I REST MY CASE.
By Craig
March 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this
Good grief DIANNE. I disagree with most of what Wooten says. But he’s not a racist.
By getalife
March 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Link to this
Actually, this is the first time Jim got it right.
Obama is radical with his 20 year relationship with his radical kook spiritual adviser.
Radicals like w are divisive and dangerous.
We know how the Clintons will govern and get back to the Clinton economy.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this
getaclue - Go join Hillary Huckabee under all that sniper fire, where you, yourself say that the only snipers were US military sharpshooters.
Give it up. She’s toast. Even Sinbad and Cheryl Crow say Hillary’s claims are nothing but a big steamin’ pile of caca-del-toro. Her receiving the nomination is the R’s only hope this year, and you’re feeding it big-time.
If you want Bushy McClone to be POTUS, as well as whomever his veep choice is since McClone likely won’t survive his first term without blowing a gasket and having amajor coronary, keep on pushing Hillary Huckabee.
By ron
March 27, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon Jim,I see things are rolling right along here.McCain is no 1,Hillary is no.2 and Obama isn’t in the running with me.Going back to my origional thought,there isn’t a President among them.Sad bunch.What happened anyway?They all remind me of Kerry and Gore.Maybe I’m too old and cynical.Look at Sarkozy in France.Never a dull moment.They’re all better than Bob Dole though.That’s a fact
Wright is Obama’s albatross,I hope anyway.There’s too much smoke there not to have a fire burning.
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By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Craig @ 1:40 - It’s a more genteel, circumspect form, but for all her histrionics, Dianne is right. Jim’s nothing more than an old-school, down-home racist who’s terrified at the thought of someone who’s NOT an Old White Man being President.
By Lily Toad
March 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this
Living in a racist society, it is hard for most white people to not be racist, even for those of us who try very hard not to be. Our country was founded on racist principles and racism endures in our public and private institutions in the form of white privilege. Rev. Wright may have a lot of anger at white privilege, but that doesn’t make him a racist.
By dave
March 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this
sorry ron… obama is way too smart to be “swift boated” by your right wing talibangelicals….his pastor means nothing to those that care…as religion will NOT be an issue this time around…we see where that got us last time….(he he)…see i STILL can knock up a hot 18 year old and get her an abortion legally…my gay friend is still…get this (gasp)..GAY!!! good job last time…
see this time…the “sleeping giant” woke up…and cares not for your faulty logic…
tax cuts have “stimulated” the economy…huh? who’s to blame? us libs?…i think not! your little games are done with and over…you lose…
there is NO WAY in your “fictional” hell…that Obama will not be our next leader… go get stoned or something…looks like you’ll need it…
because “W” is worse than stoned at the helm… if he was…at least he’d have an “excuse” like when he was a “Drunk” running business anfet business into the ground…. (sad he ran the US into the ground…though it was YOU and those LIKE you that made it happen)….
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
What did Wright say? So what. so. you cant let obscure homilies blow you off the course of freedom.
By dave
March 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this
HEY!!! I just realized something…you “talibangelicals” DID do something you wanted to do…hundreds of thousands of Iraqi “Muslims” have died…and instead of looking at their deaths as “collateral” damage…well…it’s been our OWN boys and girls (our troops) that were “collateral” damage in seeing that this was carried out. Damn…now it all seems to make sense…dam.n you guys are smart! You DID in fact cause more muslims to be put to death than Saddam… I guess it’s been worth 4000 or so troops…as who really cares about them or their families?
Oh the economy? 6 years of TOTAL “thug” rule…well…you guys did as good a job as the last idiot that did this to our economy leading into the early 90’s….your “hero”..Reagan….another “Christian”…
stop worrying about the election…you’ve “lost” already… Obama is way too smart to deal with you pathetic “swift boating”…. see…unlike Bush…he READ the books he was handed in school…
By Dennis
March 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Link to this
By jbmlaw March 27, 2008 12:35 PM “Dear jm @ 11:01, I guess I am really just trying to keep out of power those fools who believe a command economy is a good idea.”
The why support the economic ideas of Bush; tax breaks to corporations and other large recepipants were suppose to stimulate the economy so much that this latest financial collapse wasn’t supposed to happen. Now did Bush go wrong, or did his financial supporters, corporations, et.cet., pull the rug out from under him?
Or is the underlying problem the costs of the Iraq war; that was supposed to be paid for by control of the oil? So far its been paid by the deaths of 4,000 American soldiers plus the wounded, and countless thousands of, Iraqis who were innocent victims and whose standand of living is worse off now than it was under Saddam.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this
Dear copyleft @ 12:46, would it be fair for me to affirm that you continue in your CNN-programmed (or more likely BDS) chant that “Not once have any of the brilliant right-wing pundits here offered a serious criticism of Obama’s stance on the ISSUES. They look for personal dirt and “controversial” family-history ties, because that’s all they can come up with,” despite the REPEATED posting of criticism of Obama’s philosophy, plans, and positions right here on this blog? I don’t think I have been soft on Obama, save that I have previously credited him as an ethical man. I detest his leftism, and regard his big government approach to every problem as anathema. His passive consent to the largest tax increase in the history of the world would be a disaster for the economy. His foreign policy initiatives are so naive as to make me sound worldly. Query, would he nominate Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas types to the Supreme Court? Or perhaps you would have preferred the leftist minority position in Medellin v Texas, in which the leftists claimed George Bush did not have enough power over the courts?
By catlady
March 27, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten some folks don’t believe in free choice (ie Mr. Obama’s choice of pastor). They believe in the sovereignity of God.
By jbmlaw
March 27, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this
Dear Dennis @ 3:07, I think you don’t know what a command economy is. When politicians substitute their judgment for the market, that erosion of freedom is called a “command economy.” Our friend, MidSouth rails appropriately about “corporatists,” but their evils are small potatoes next to the evils of politicians.
By Craig
March 27, 2008 3:33 PM | Link to this
Gay Geek @ 2:06. I just think it’s always way too easy to blame any problem on racism.
There is a lot of truth to what you say, though, and I think it will present a problem for Obama. Lots of people out there are not as geeky as you and me - well me anyway - they’re not really paying attention to the issues now. Some of them will vote on who “looks” like them - and for the majority of us, that’s McAncient.
Not right, but it’ll be a problem for Obama and the forces of good.
By James
March 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Link to this
I enjoy this column, but what kills me is that the common sense conservatism is a dream. Given conservatives control over the house and Senate they’ve failed to do deliver on 1. our most iimportant moral issues in America, abortion, 2. cut govt spending, 3. substantilly reduce taxes. I’m saddended that all these issues are just things to talk about and something even the likes of Jim are willing to back up with vocal support beyond some sarcasm on paper every week. Its time the democrats get a shot. Let the liberal win.. it couldn’t get any worse.
By Dusty
March 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
Well, looks like all the cracked Easter eggs have hatched out here. What a swarm of pure old sqawling libs (the usual ones), moaning and groaning and running down the country. All that after Wooten writes a good and sensible piece.
Did you know you don’t have to stay here and complain about conservatives that appreciate their country? If you don’t like what Jim Wooten writes, then shove off. Luckovich is over there and his blog is mostly the bulwark of the brainless, your home plate. Take PoFo with you. That will remove several liberal “bloggers”.
Before you mention free speech, it was not meant for espionage or free lies, you verbal saboteurs.
If you think everybody but YOU is a racist & bigot, you are not reading your own posts. I noticed that jbmlaw makes his free speech honest so YOU DO NOT LIKE IT. Figures.
Don’t bother with name calling, your favorite sport. I, for one, will be working on taxes and don’t give a hoot about your insults. Bye now and don’t stick around too long.
By Analchord
March 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
Dusty, you could be right.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
DustBuster - Why don’t you enlist? I’m sure the batallions could use a hyperenergetic Paleocon cheerleader such as yourself.
By Lily Toad
March 27, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this
So, Dusty, you think this blog should just be for those who agree with Wooten? What fun would that be? Yes sir, Mr. Jim, you sure are smart. Obama won’t win, we’d rather have Hillary. Nod, nod.
By Redneck Convert
March 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
Well, ain’t that just like Sister Dusty? Hit the libruls hard like a U.S. Marine and then cut and run to do her taxes like a good U.S. citizen. I hope she’s using TurboTax.com. That’s what Joe Bill used to do my taxes and it didn’t cost nothing. I got a $650 refund coming. Course, I know that ain’t nothing like what jbmlaw and Sister Dusty got coming to them, but then I’m just a average beer truck driver. If it wasn’t for the Bush tax cuts, I would only have $640 coming as a refund. I guess jbmlaw and Sister Dusty probly get a extra $10 from the tax cuts too.
By Copyleft
March 27, 2008 4:12 PM | Link to this
JBM, I refer you to your own post at 12:29, when you (once again) claimed that Obama had taken NO position on ANY issue that you could see.
You specifically asked what Obama plans to do about Al Qaeda… you then act affronted when it’s pointed out that the specifics are very much available, and insist “Well, gosh! I never said they weren’t!”
It’s classic Karl Rove behavior, but a lot of the ol’ Rove playbook just isn’t working any more. “Fool me twice… fool me… won’t get fooled again.”
By W
March 27, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
My loyal followers,
I would just like to take this opportunity to thank those of you who have been supporting my war effort. Unfortunately, there are some of you who have not been sending in those war tax payments. I have been informed that jbmlaw and Dusty are as far behind on their war tax payments as curly (aka {{{{{}}}}}). So, remember, war costs money, lots of money. How do you expect me to provide you with social security if you don’t provide me with the means.
Thank You, Your Leader, W.
P.S. Just because I took care of Bear Stearns, don’t expect me to do the same for the rest of my followers. Bear Stearns is a special, one-time-only case. Remember, war costs money, lots of money.
By ghost rider
March 27, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
In 1555, Nostradamous wrote: “Come the millennium, month 12, in the home of greatest power, the village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader.”…………………Think about it!
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this
Lily @ 4:07 - The DustBuster thinks “freedom of speech” includes “freedom from thought”, and that the only people who are “free” to “speak” are People Like Her and most definitely NOT Those People.
In DustBusterLand, Those People are supposed to know Their Place and keep Their Mouths as shut as her mind.
By Yolanda
March 27, 2008 4:35 PM | Link to this
Americans need to get over themselves, especially if they think that racism has died down and doesn’t affect others. It’s time we all came out of the Stone Ages and into the Age of Reality.
Wright only said what many of us discuss at the dinner table, anyway. We can play all the “free at last” games we want, but in the end, those currently in control intend to stay in control, and racism is only one of many tools to help them do just that.
And as for Clinton’s statement, her own “pastor” basically supported Wright. Too bad CNN and all those other media tycoons didn’t play the entire broadcast of his speeches, instead of giving us clips that didn’t allow listeners to realize that much of what he said was taken out of context.
But, then, the responsibility of digging deeper than what media say seems to be a lost remnant of a time when people embraced critical thinking and knew what independent research meant. When all’s said and done, they use people like the author of this post to maintain the illusion that truth and integrity are as American as apple pie.
Maybe that’s why no one has been honest enough to admit that Clinton’s experience is also lacking. Thirty-five years? Of what — walking in her husband’s shadow?
They’re even willing to overlook the fact that her recent speech about dodging snipers was not a “misspeak,” but meant to intentionally mislead others. She does something and it’s a slip of the tongue. Obama attends a church and it’s blasphemy and short-sightedness on his part.
By ghost rider
March 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
Dusty … I noticed that you were at Jay Bookman’s blog today! Spouting your usual head in the sand…GWB is great nonsense. Yet, Then you switched over here and all of a sudden it’s if you don’t like what the all mighty sootsayer Wooten pens. We(of differing opinions should take a hike.)
Dusty, How do you spell HYOCRITE?
By Adam
March 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
CopyLeft@4:12 -“You specifically asked what Obama plans to do about Al Qaeda… you then act affronted when it’s pointed out that the specifics are very much available”
Well I took your advice and looked at the Obamamania website and found Obama’s plan for dealing with Al Qaeda. The website reassures us that Obama will withdraw our troops and “if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.”
There you are. I guess if they are unable to build bases within Iraq we’ll be OK. No more terrorism.
Further, Obama has a plan to deal with the threat of Iran building nuclear weapons: “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.”
I feel safer already.
Who says Obama doesn’t have specific plans?
By ghost rider
March 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
my typing gets in the way of my thinking should have been HYPOCRITE, and soothsayer
Sorry
By getalife
March 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
The Obama bias is sickening on MSNBC
They should run the prison shows and get out of politics.
No credibilty.
Puke.
By The surge is working...
March 27, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
How are things going in Iraq today, Jim?
By Dusty
March 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
Ghostrider@4:44
How do you spell Dingbat?
That was an ID thief at Bookman’s. Glad you told me so I could put a disclaimer there for you bird brains. Now, take a hike…
By Devastator
March 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this
Never thought I’d say it but…Hooray Pelosi!
(CNN) – A recent letter from several Hillary Clinton fundraisers to Nancy Pelosi seeking she step back from her contention that superdelegates should support the pledged-delegate leader appears to have had little effect on the House Speaker.
Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said late Wednesday the California Democrat stands by her argument that the party’s superdelegates would do damage if they go against the will of voters and hand the nomination to the candidate who finished second among those delegates awarded from the round of caucuses and primaries.
“The speaker believes it would do great harm to the Democratic Party if superdelegates are perceived to overturn the will of the voters,” Daly said. “This has been her position throughout this primary season, regardless of who was ahead at any particular point in delegates or votes.”
The statement comes a day after nearly 20 high-profile Clinton fundraisers strongly criticized Pelosi for that position, arguing instead that the superdelegates “have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee.”
The fundraisers, who reminded Pelosi in the letter they have been strong contributors to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, also urged the House Speaker to “clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August.”
“Speaker Pelosi is confident that superdelegates will choose between Sens. Clinton or Obama — our two strong candidates — before the convention in August,” Daly also said. “That choice will be based on many considerations, including respecting the decisions of millions of Americans who have voted in primaries and participated in caucuses.”
Pelosi first expressed her stance in an ABC News interview earlier this month — one that benefits Barack Obama, whose current pledged delegate lead of 171 is virtually insurmountable given the party’s proportional delegation allocations, even if Clinton were to win each of the remaining 10 primary contests.
An Obama spokesman called the Clinton fundraiser’s letter “inappropriate.”
By Dusty
March 27, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this
Yeah, that was an ID thief over at Bookman’s blog. Me. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
I thought they should have a taste of what it’s like over here every flippin’ day.
By GayGreyGeek
March 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
ghost rider @ 4:44 - If DustBuster could spell, she could read, as well. And, as she repeatedly shows, she’s got all the reading comprehension of the big carving out at Stone Mountain…
By Glenn
March 27, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
Sure, we’ve all been in the presence of people who say nutty things, including some who aren’t relatives. But 20 years?
Jim, your king is in check. You put yourself in this position and look what’s happened: you’ve surrendered the board. You focused on the content of Rev. Wright’s remarks, and left it to others to couch them.
For you, it’s sufficient to say that Obama was exposed to Wright’s “nutty things” for 20 years. But that’s not a context; that’s a mere timeframe. So it was inevitable that somebody—-let’s say Craig—-would come along to cite someone—-let’s say Prof. Martin Marty, the foremost expert on American religion—-to place Wright’s preaching into an informed context. And that context would be any context at all except the one that most impinges the candidacy of Barack Obama.
One must understand Rev. Wright’s remarks in light of the history of American slavery. Oh, really? Rev. Wright’s preaching cannot be understood without first understanding the black church in America. Why not Latin America? The heart of Trinity United is seen not in words, but in deeds: its fine work in the community. Do you know the way to Guyana?
Anything, in other words, except that Jeremiah Wright’s preaching is rooted in Marxism, Christianized. In the church of Black Liberation Theology, Jeremiah Wright is a high priest. Martin Marty is its Verger, and Barack Obama an acolyte.
You’ve got one final chance to checkmate, Jim. But to do that, you’ve got to stop putting a bishop out there, mistaking it for a queen.
By Dennis
March 27, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
By jbmlaw March 27, 2008 3:27 PM | Dear Dennis @ 3:07, I think you don’t know what a command economy is. When politicians substitute their judgment for the market, that erosion of freedom is called a “command economy.”
My friend, you have a very narrow definition of “command economy.” The very tax breaks you’ve supported were for the purpose of “commanding” the economy to grow.
Interesting how your politicians talk about “market economy”, free interprise”, etc. and then bail out every corporation or business that is a big political/financial contributor..
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Craig
March 27, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 5:03. I found something to agree with you about. ID thiefs are the lowest form of cowards.
By Devastator
March 27, 2008 6:05 PM | Link to this
(CNN) — Its been an interesting week watching folks analyze the outcry over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s controversial comments, especially when they try to link them to Sen. Barack Obama.
Obama’s supporters say it’s wrong to associate his views with those of his pastor at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. His opponents say that surely his views are linked with Wright’s, including the pastor’s praise of Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan.
Conservative talker Sean Hannity — who incidentally many have accused of associations with white supremacist Hal Turner, which he denies — was foaming at the mouth. He called Wright a racist and an anti-Semite, and then said we all should assume Obama is also a racist and an anti-Semite.
Frankly, it’s just not plausible to suggest that you always share the same feelings or views as someone you know.
In remarks to a Pittsburgh newspaper, Sen. Hillary Clinton responded to a question about the Wright controversy by saying: “You don’t choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend.
True. Very true. But there’s also some reality that politicians pick and choose who they want to be associated with. Clinton pressed Obama during a debate this year to repudiate and denounce Farrakhan’s unsolicited praise of him at an event the Nation of Islam leader organized for his group in Chicago.
The moderator, NBC’s Tim Russert, brought up comments made by Farrakhan 24 years ago in his question to Obama.
Fine, so what do we make of then-President Bill Clinton publicly endorsing the 1995 Million Man March? Who called for that march? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the lead organizer? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the keynote speaker? Louis Farrakhan.
After he was out of the White House, President Clinton also endorsed the Million Man March. Who called for that march? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the lead organizer? Louis Farrakhan. Who was the keynote speaker? Louis Farrakhan.
Did Clinton privately or publicly rebuke her husband for supporting a man whom she has determined to be hateful and divisive?
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who is national co-chair of Sen. Clinton’s presidential campaign, once stood on stage with Farrakhan in 1997 — at an event the Times said was “called to promote racial reconciliation after several recent high-profile crimes” — and praised him for his commitment to ending violence in the black community. Rendell was the mayor of Philadelphia at the time. According to the April 15, 1997, story in The New York Times, Farrakhan praised Rendell before 3,000 people at the anti-violence rally for ”his courage and strength to rise above emotion and differences that might be between us or our communities.
Roland Martin argues that Obama is not alone in his controversial associations »
According to the Times, Rendell, who is Jewish, commended the Nation of Islam for its emphasis on family values and self-sufficiency. Must Clinton repudiate and denounce Rendell’s past comments and association with Farrakhan?
Former Republican Rep. Jack Kemp is a huge supporter of Sen. John McCain, and he also has a Farrakhan story.
In 1996, when Kemp was the vice presidential running mate of Kansas Sen. Bob Dole, he told reporters that he wanted to meet with Farrakhan and praised his organization’s focus on economic empowerment, family values and its pull-yourselves-up-by-the-bootstrap message — right in line with the GOP talking points. Kemp said he wanted to speak at the Million Man March.
Kemp summarily criticized Farrakhan’s comments about Jews and whites, but he didn’t take his words back. By the way, Hannity pressed every African-American supporter about Farrakhan, but he never got in Kemp’s face about his comments.
I wonder why?
Must McCain repudiate and denounce Kemp’s past comments and association with Farrakhan?
When it comes to homosexuality, no Clinton or Obama supporter should think of criticizing the other campaign’s black ministerial supporters because that means most of their own would have to be disassociated from their campaigns.
On CNN’s “The Situation Room,” Paul Begala mentioned “hateful” things said about gays by the Rev. James Meeks, founder and senior pastor of Salem Baptist Church of Chicago, and an Obama supporter. Meeks has made no bones about his firm opposition to homosexuality (and abortion), which is one of the reasons he’s very close to many of the nation’s white conservative pastors. (I know him well; I’m a member of Salem).
And then there was the hoopla over gospel singer Donnie McClurkin when the Obama campaign recruited him to take part in a gospel concert tour around South Carolina. McClurkin has preached that homosexuals can be converted to heterosexuals. That set off a firestorm.
But Clinton also has her own issues with anti-gay pastoral supporters.
The Rev. Harold Mayberry, pastor of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland, has voiced for years his opposition to homosexuality. In fact, some have said he has compared homosexuality to thievery.
When Mayberry came out in support of Clinton, her campaign touted his endorsement, sans any mention of his anti-gay rants.
She has also received a $1,000 contribution from Bishop Eddie L. Long of the mega-church New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Lithonia, Georgia, who previously led an anti-gay marriage march in Atlanta.
Of course, when it comes to McCain, it wouldn’t be a story if his ministerial supporters are anti-gay. It would be news if any of them actually supported homosexuality.
The bottom line: Everyone has an association that is open for scrutiny. Our real focus should be on the candidates and their views on the issues, because one of them will stand before the nation and take the oath of office and swear to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States.
http://www. cnn. com/2008/POLITICS/03/26/roland. martin/?iref=hpmostpop#cnnSTCText
By Jim Jones
March 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten you just don’t get it. Judgement is not sticking your fingers in your ears and walking away when you hear something that you disagree with. Judgement is listening and being able to decide for yourself what is valuable to you as an individual and what is not. Anyone who thinks that these radical statements of Rev. Wright represent Mr. Obama’s true beliefs probably wasn’t going to vote for him any way. This just gives them an easy way out because they aren’t going to be justified using the facts.
By hotlanta
March 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this
Hilary tells a LIE and get a slap on the wrist by the media. Rev. Wright tells the truth and gets crucified by the media. PRICELESS