Home > Thinking Right > Archives > 2008 > March > 13 > Entry
DEL.ICIO.USLessons of Spitzer’s fall
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
No question that New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s fall from power — he announced Wednesday that he’ll step down as governor on Monday — feeds the nation’s cynicism about politicians.
On so many fronts, he was a lie. Though his father, Bernard Spitzer, is believed to have real estate holdings that give him a worth of $500 million, Eliot cultivated the image of the frugal guy who drove a minivan. His 2006 income was $1.9 million, the majority of it from rents on property his family owns. He lives in a luxury apartment on Fifth Avenue owned by his father.
“He was certainly not free with the dollars,” said a consultant who worked on his first two campaigns. “He was very, very careful. This is not the kind of guy who would take $50,000 out of his own bank account one weekend and blow it in Atlantic City.”
Maybe not in a weekend, but the Associate Press quotes an anonymous law enforcement official as saying he may have spent $80,000 on prostitutes over several years. He paid 22-year-old Ashley Alexandra Dupre, identified as Kristen, $4,300 on the evening before Valentine’s Day.
Spitzer could certainly afford the prostitutes. But part of the lie of his life was that he bought his way into the governor’s office by hounding honest and never-indicted businessmen with accusations of wrongdoing. That style got him named Time magazine’s Crusader of the Year.
Spitzer’s toast — and properly so. Hillary loses one superdelegate but the larger question is how the Spitzer saga affects Democratic presidential politics.
Public officials like Spitzer who cultivate a particular political image — whether that is as a change agent or a holier-than-thou crusader — fall quickly when their personal conduct fails to measure up. For Barack Obama, the stakes just went up in the Chicago trial of Tony Rezko, who is accused of bribing public officials and taking kickbacks. Obama has donated some $150,000 to charity, the allegedly illegal campaign contributions Rezko directed to his 2004 Senate campaign.
Obama’s major appeal is that he represents a new kind of politics — a message that has attracted hordes of young supporters. Spitzer just lowered the cynicism bar for politicians on high horses.
You decide. What do you see as the repercussions on public attitutudes or particular politicans, if any, of Spitzer’s fall?
Comments
By ron
March 13, 2008 8:34 AM | Link to this
Good morning Jim,Since the public knows, or at least should know,that politicians are two-faced scroundrels,it shouldn’t be shocked about the actions of Spitzer.He isn’t the only politician to come tumbling down lately,and he certainly won’t be the last.His event is a little juicier than most,because of the degree of hypocricy.Holier than thou comes crashing to the ground.One minute you’re rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful,the next minute you’re down in the Bowery,exchanging pleasantries with the bums.He’s been the windshield for quite a while,now he’s the bug.
By Dowith Out
March 13, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this
The best move is to make prostitution legal in all 50 states. Maybe Spitzer’s wife hasn’t come across in 3,112 days like mine and needed occasional relief.
By Rick
March 13, 2008 8:44 AM | Link to this
CNN just reported that Spitzer now claims he had just picked up hitchhikers in DC, and they were the ones with the hooker.
Wolf Blitzer said Spitzer never kissed her, or jizzed her. At the one meeting, Spitzer missed her, which p** her off. The fed wizzards quizzed her, and then dissed her.
Case Dismissed, sir.
By Lee
March 13, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this
I’m awfully glad to see all those good and virtuous people jumping on Spitzer for having sex outside of marriage. I must assume that everyone who called for his resignation or impeachment are themselves free of sin, and that they also challenge anyone to prove otherwise. I hope the reporters will take up that challenge, as gleefully as they took up the crocodile tears about Spitzer. There should be an interesting few months in New York.
By Copyleft
March 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Prostitution isn’t wrong, so it shouldn’t be a crime. That said, portraying yourself as a crusader for law-and-order while breaking a law is (mildly) hypocritical.
But I missed the part where Spitzer’s crusade was specifically against prostitution rings. Seems to me he was going after legitimate targets (corrupt businesses), so the hypocrisy charge is a minor one at best.
Heck, I break the laws I don’t agree with or don’t care about. So do you… or are you telling me you obey the speed limit signs on I-85?
By Redneck Convert
March 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Link to this
Well, I seen a picture of that 22 year old that met up with this Spitzer in a hotel room. They sure didn’t make 22 year olds like that when I was young. It must be a change in the air or water or something like that. Anyhow, the guy was stupid for paying her $4500. Heck, down here in the South you can buy a good Southren woman a couple meals and she will do it for free. Long as you promise not to tell no one. Southren women are mighty picky about their reputation.
Anyhow, I guess $4500 is like a nickel to a guy that makes almost 2 million a year just off of rents. I don’t know why he didn’t keep around 50,000 in 20s and 100s on him all the time and not have to make wire transfers of money that the FBI could trace. If I made 2 million I would be wearing the raised numbers off of my ATM card.
The big lesson here is that librul Democrats are all crooks that like to go after godly Republicans and accuse them of all kind of things that they do theirselfs. Poor Sen. Craig is ruint forever now just because he likes to spread his feet about three feet apart when he sets on a commode and axidently touched somebody elses shoe. And poor Sen. Vitter, all he wanted was to wear a diaper in private in front of some women he didn’t know, and what does he get? Ruint. Same with the godly Rep. Foley that just wrote a few thank you notes to some boys. Ruint.
So I’m happy to see the librul Democrat Spitzer gone. He ruint a lot of godly Republicans that was just trying to make a profit in Free Innerprize. Except for the part where one of Those People take his place. New York people must be hanging their heads in shame at having one of Those People as governor. I know I would hang my head if it happened in GA. But thankfully if old Sonny gets caught in something like girls for hire or maybe pocketing a few million in tax breaks he didn’t know about we got old Casey to step in and take his place.
So all you Wooten bloggers ought to draw a lesson from what happened to Spitzer. Always pay in cash and don’t use the name George Fox if you don’t want to get caught in your sins.
Have a good day everybody.
By OneForTheRoad
March 13, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this
We seem to have a synchronization issue going here. Perhaps we should re-direct to some comments from yesterday? Then, what would be an appropriate topic for today? How about Bookman’s editorial on Georgia politicians who proclaim themselves to be conservatives via their self-proclaimed association with the Republican party. Good job, Jay. Unfortunately, you did not take your discussion far enough. That power that is so obvious that it actually results in a “glaze” over the afflicted person’s eyes can be found at the county level as well. I’ll bet that I’m not the only one that could provide examples. So, who do we entrust power to? How do we keep those checks and balances intact against those that would do them harm? Wait a minute, I may be drifting back toward Jim’s topic.
By TW
March 13, 2008 8:57 AM | Link to this
Spitzer’s mistake was that he didn’t label his girls as ‘terrists’ before he ‘interrogated’ them. Have the Dems not learned a thing?
By TW
March 13, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this
Clearly, the Republicans who brought up impeaching Spitzer don’t ‘support reproduction.’
By RCH
March 13, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this
You may be right, prostitution should not be a crime, but it is. My question is where did the money come from. If it was his own that is one thing. If it was tax dollars he should do time
By jbmlaw
March 13, 2008 9:06 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. The resignation of Gov. Spitzer, (D) NY, will have no lasting effect on public attitudes nor for particular politicians. Probably the only politician who had any real stake in Gov. Spitzer’s dithering was Hillary – reminded many of some unpleasant memories.
However, the disgrace of former Attorney General Spitzer, combined with the unrelated excesses of DA Nifong, may have a positive galvanizing effect on the courts. I have previously lamented the decline of the formerly noble doctrine of “prosecutorial discretion,” under which prosecutors do not prosecute for the sake of publicity, nor to push up conviction rates, but only after the exercise of judgment over which cases will truly benefit society. Spitzer’s trail of bad faith prosecutions, for the simple purpose of increasing his campaign contributions, is just now becoming public currency. I have high hopes that the formerly adverse connotation attached to “populist” is being restored as adverse in the public mind. We will know that is so when the democrat Congress realizes that a recession is a stupid time to impose the largest tax increase in the history of the world.
By skeeter
March 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
What goes around, comes around. The incredible arrogance of this guy, publicly denouncing businesses that may or may not have been actually doing anything illegal; he was theatrically giving the public his best performance in the media stage, while offstage, he was addicted to little girls not much older than his daughters. What a creep! His wife should leave him immediately, and take whatever she can, too.
By OneForTheRoad
March 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Link to this
I’m waiting to see how someone manages to work waterboarding into the topic. Would it be considered as foreplay?
By Rick
March 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
Waterboarding sounds like somebody didn’t pay attention in spy school when they went over the Chinese Water Torture thing of one small drip of water over and over on the forehead.
Where’s the supervision?
By Craig
March 13, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this
TW your 8:57 was brilliant.
By Craig
March 13, 2008 9:24 AM | Link to this
Rick, your 9:14 was the funniest thing I’ve ever read in my life, I’ve got milk coming out my patoot, it’s that funny. You’re the best here. You make everyone else look like little piles of babypoo.
By Craig
March 13, 2008 9:32 AM | Link to this
Milk out the patoot!?! Priceless! HA HA HA HA HA. Oh, my side! Gasp! Gasp! So … darn … funny.
Whatever.
By jm
March 13, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this
well, one thing about ex-Governor Spitzer’s fall from grace is the means that were used to put him on the fed’s radar. I am a little concerned about the “big brother” manner in which the banks monitored his transactions. While my bank account is not on the level of ex-Gov. Spitzer, I find it disturbing that every one of my transactions is “analyzed” for potential anomalies.
By NSA
March 13, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this
Elliot is the son of a very rich New York City real estate barron..in other words, just like the never worked a day in his life FDR, Elliot got all his money from Daddy (Mommy in FDR’s case). FDR wanted the federal guv to be daddy big bucks to all americans, just like his mommy was mommy big bucks to the most over rated president in the history of america.
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Stiltskin’s just hurt ‘cause we didn’t acknowledge the comic genius of yesterday’s running Rickologue.
I’m starting to wonder whether he and Jim Wooten are the same person. For one thing, no one’s ever reported seeing the two of them together. And for another, while the one can do a dead-on impersonation of a liberal, the other can impersonate any forked thing (provided it’s a snide forked thing). So they could be two persons of the same Bloghead.
But then there’s the really, really eerie part, and that is that whenever Jim throws it into autopilot—-like he did with yesterday’s and today’s inane columns—-meanwhile we find PoFo doing really skillful comic aerobatics. So I’m just saying it might be—-just might be—-that Jim jonzes so bad for dressing Left that he sometimes hangs out the “closed” sign and does a little business as “PoFaux the SadoMarxist”. You know, at Nine the French Maid liberal, at half-past the Pigtailed Schoolgirl liberal, at Ten the Leather liberal, etc. From Liberal to Libertine, as it were.
It’s my latest Theory of Jim, anyway. And it just might be—-how did he put it when he does that thing he does? It just might be “part of the lie of his life”.
Yessssssssssssssssssssss
By roberto
March 13, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this
What does FDR have to do with this? Focus NSA!
By Craig
March 13, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this
The face of this 08 campaign belongs to Mrs. Spitzer. Her visage reflects precisely how Lady Libery feels about Uncle Sam. We are fed up, stunned and heartbroken but resolved.
Obama is the face we want to see leading the country now.
What is the mission of US troops in Afghanistan? Iraq?
Why are the Feds bailing out wallstreet? What about homeowners?
Why isn’t Trump’s model/wife considered a pro like Spitzer’s goomah? Barama bing Barama boom
Why wasn’t Spitzer’s tryster whacked? Why wasn’t Spitzer whacked? Why wasn’t the guy who should have whacked Spitzer whacked?
Why didn’t we simply whack Saddam? Nothing makes sense in the crazy world.
By MrLiberty
March 13, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this
There are two major take-home messages from this. First, most crimes prosecuted at the federal level these days are non-crimes. They consist of the same kind of criminal behavior that the government engages in all the time, or is an activity that someone is making money off of that the government is not getting a cut of. Generally nobody is getting hurt. Both Spitzer and king Rudy Gouliani made their marks persecuting people for basically non-crimes. The federal government is out of control, as are its prosecutors. That having been said, the other take home message is that all politicians except RON PAUL are complete hipocritical scumbags. They pass thousands of laws for everyone else’s good but conveniently don’t follow them or make themselves exempt. Republicans are no different from Democrats in this. Spitzer just got caught the others are hding it better.
Finally, this country needs to decide just exactly why it continues to make Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling, etc. illegal. It is a very simple question - do you own your own body or does the government? If you do then what you do with it is up to you. If the government does, then they can tell you what you can and cannot put into it and what you can and cannot do with it.
It is the very essence of freedom. It has everything to do with the ultimate morality - do you answer to your maker or to some government?
One politician you will never hear this kind of crap about is Ron Paul. 50 years of marriage, Belief that protitution should be legalized.
Not like all the other hipocrits that infest the major part system
By Peter
March 13, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this
Blah Blah Blah Jim…….
Other than the fact one cannot trust ANY politician, starting right at the top with the President and Vice President.
Well Jim you have zero to say about our ECONOMY…….
Gas prices going up, the dollar going down, and the country in peril each day as the prices get worse…. No Comment ?
The dollar is worth 64 cents to the Euro……..and folks are making the same or less, and prices are going up….. when are you going to mention that Jim?
The great plans of George Bush are doing zero to help the common man Jim, no thoughts on that ?
No thoughts about the economy in this ELECTION YEAR ! ? !
Better hide in the sand about that issue Jim……. we wouldn’t want to discuss how after 8 years George and his boys have really dealt us a terrible blow.
By jbmlaw
March 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Dear jm @ 9:39, I totally agree with your argument, in my capacity as banking guru. The money laundering laws (which date to 1970, and have never been indexed for inflation) are wildly out of control. If you have the time to look, check into how the FinCen uses all of the SARS we file (clue: they don’t. These things are just gotchas, so when they trace backwards after discovery of a crime they whack the banks over the head.) I would favor abolition of the currency control laws – we spend a fortune monitoring that garbage, and junk like the Spitzer case, or similar druggie convictions, are the most meaningful things that come out of the wasted fortune we expend. (The regulators will tell you it makes a difference on “terrorism” – I think that false, but we could accomplish the same thing much less intrusively.)
By GayGreyGeek
March 13, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this
Spitzer’s situation will “affect Democratic presidential politics” no more than Larry Craig’s or David Vitter’s situatons will “affect Republican presidential politics”.
I’ve not seen you call on McCain to disavow either of his fellow Senators. I wonder why that is?
By getalife
March 13, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this
w crying and whining about demanding corporate amnesty made my day.
Finally, the House stands up to reckless law breaking.
There is hope when they realize corporate power needs regulating and oversight with honest prosecuters.
Gold hit a grand, oil 110, what next?
By TAFKAH
March 13, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
Good questions, Jim. Let’s analyze:
Larry Craig, a sanctimonious Republican who actually pled guilty to a crime, and arguably likes to suck c0ck in public restrooms, refuses to resign and continues to draw salary from taxpayer money.
David Vitter, a sanctinmonious Republican who paid a prostitute to watch him void his bowels while wearing a diaper, refuses to resign and continues to draw salary from taxpayer money.
Spitzer, a sanctimonious Democrat, is caught with his pants down and resigns in disgrace within a few days of the news break.
Now to more important matters. I’ve looked over the photos of the bangee in question. (and people say the NY Times does not engage in serious journamalism!) While I would happily pump any of her available holes, I wouldn’t go more than $350. Sweet jumping jesus, what must $5000 get you. A hydraulic pu$$y?
By deegee
March 13, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
We had Geraldine Ferraro proudly doing her Archie Bunker imitation and somebody thinks that Eliot Spitzer’s superdooper delegate vote is going to have an impact on democratic presidential politics? Get real.
By JDW
March 13, 2008 10:58 AM | Link to this
To run anyone out of office for paying his own cash (he has 500 million so 80k is not a big deal) for a “sleepover” is ridiculous. We have turned into a nation of smug, overbearing Puritans and should be ashamed of ourselves. One of the reasons we have such a sorry lot of politicians is that no one with any integrity or leadership skills wants to submit to inquisition by media. This leaves us with the egotistical maniacs that want the job for the power see Bush, Delay, Clinton, Gingrich, et al. The Roosevelt’s (Michael Bloomberg?), Eisenhower’s (Colin Powell?) , and Truman’s (Sam Nunn?) of the country are sitting this era of public lynching out.
By TAFKAH
March 13, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this
One more look at the flimsy foundation of Wooten’s scribblings today.
Wootie accuses Spitzer of “hounding honest and never-indicted businessmen with accusations of wrongdoing.”
So, the standard is that if a suspect has never been indicted, then that person should be immune from investigation or accusation. By this standard, I am in like flynn. For while I have indeed flauted the laws of the land (drug use, public drunkeness, sodomy, ownership of +ahem+ marital aids, interstate transport of pornography), I have been forthrightly honest about all of this and have NEVER been indicted on so much as a traffic charge. I am thus, by the lights of Wootie’s enfeebled powers of reason, immune from criminal prosecution.
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Link to this
You’re still an idiot, Janus.
deegee, yes! Let’s definitely do “get real”. Let’s get very damn real. I couldn’t agree with you more. While Jim is publishing drivel, meanwhile you are a blinding beacon of shining brilliance compared to the assorted Pullspitzer wannabes and wannabe-wannabes at the old DNC-AJC.
By catlady
March 13, 2008 11:08 AM | Link to this
TAFKAH, you have made me laugh aloud!
By GayGreyGeek
March 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
Hmmm, if the never-indicted should never be “hounded”, then I guess ol’ Jim-Boy should shut up about Spitzer, right?
By DebbieDoRight
March 13, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this
When Democrats fall, at least they fall splendidly, (eg: Paying for high class call girls). When republicans fall, they fall ridiculously, (eg: Sex in public bathrooms at the airport or “wide stances”).
The motto of this story is, if you must fall, at least do it in style.
By WFC
March 13, 2008 11:34 AM | Link to this
The Republicans are going to take a beating in November, the direct result of their sticking us with their “glorified frat boy,” George Bush for eight years. I’m only sorry that John McCain, a man I admire and respect, will be the sacrificial lamb. I’m an independent who has voted for McGovern and Reagan. I believe that both political parties are rife with hypocrisy.
By TAFKAH
March 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Link to this
Right you are Debbie. What sane man would prefer to cr@p in his pants over taking a slippery poke at young ‘Kristen’? I am not easily disgusted, but christ on a bike….that’s some grotesque sh!t (sic).
But remember…if a Democrat is caught in scandal, it is proof of the poverty and decadence of liberalism. If a Republicon is caught in scandal, it is a personal tragedy that should be a matter for the family, their clergyman, and their rehab counseler. The former are to be condemned to hellfire, the latter prayed for and given every opportunity for redemption and cure.
By Copyleft
March 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this
TAFKAH: Actually, the more common dodge when Republican perverts are exposed is, “Yeah, but see? He was CAUGHT. That PROVES that Republicans are the party of morality, because nobody covered up for him (once he was caught, that is).”
Nonsense, of course… but what else do the neocon cheerleaders have to work with, after seven years of disastrous failure on every front?
By ron
March 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Ladies and gents,We really need to go off today’s topic long enough to discuss the woman that sat on her boyfriend’s toilet seat long enough for the skin to grow down around it.I believe that two years was the mentioned time sitting.Anyone care to venture a guess as to what she thought about all this time?Does anyone believe this is a normal Kansas couple?Will this affect who you vote for?
By Jim's a Cherry Picker
March 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Link to this
Hi Jim,
Yep, ol’ Elliot didn’t do much to disprove that politicans are bunch worthy of cynicism (at least this one was hot).
I think the real problem here is that we’re exacting swift and immediate action upon a man who made some bad personal decisions, yet a man who started an entire war resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands and costing hundreds of billions of (taxpayer) dollars, for no apparent reason whatsoever, is still running the country.
What’s worse?
How ‘bout you do a column on that recent report by the military study group that, once again, shows no link between Iraq and some guy that lives in a cave.
Or how about a story on the current state of the dollar?
Or how about a story on our trade deficit?
Or how about a story on the price of oil (wasn’t there supposed to be some “jawboning”).
Nah…Spitzer is a much more important story. Go with it.
By jbmlaw
March 13, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this
Dear Debbie @ 11:18, you may be horrified to learn that your argument is almost identical to that made by Chairman Ann today, except you are funny and she was mostly empathetic. I fully expected juicy schadenfreude, but was surprised by the Chairman.
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 12:15 PM | Link to this
Oh, you naughty youngsters, with your hormones coursing and your minds forever on sex!
When President Kennedy, after one of his numberless have-offs, had to admit sheepishly to an unfriendly Secret Service that he had left his personal address/appointment book in the hotel room whose next occupancy was reserved for a Soviet “attache” who, it later turned out, was acting on fresh intelligence, the issue was not who was the woman or how did they meet or even what was with JFK and his bimbo problem. The issue was nukemail, and World War The Last.
The issue with Spitzer is that he should even think of making even tentative arrangements to engage in activity that risked undoing the work of heroes and handing the keys to the Great State of New York back to the Mob. And when I use the title “Great State of California”, I jest. But when I call the State of New York “Great”, I damn well mean it. It has been far and away the most important and powerful state in our national history, and it remains the most important—-to our heritage, our prosperity, our security.
Please, no more about libido and pschopathy and hypocrisy and double standards. It would be like speculating about whether our President Kennedy might be suffering from ED as a result of his Addison’s Disease and incessant intake of steroids, painkillers and speed, while meanwhile Premier Kruschev might very well be running the oversexed President of the United States.
If New York, and therefore the United States, dodged a bullet on this one, great. Do we know yet whether that happened? No. Right now only Spitzer and the Mob know for sure.
By Mississippi
March 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Glenn, I get to diffah, suh. Best, Mississippi
By Mississippi
March 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this
Glenn, I beg to diffah, suh. Best, Mississippi
By TAFKAH
March 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
ambulance chaser,
Of course Chairman Ann will tread softly around this issue. If anyone is likely to have some freaky-deaky hiding in the closet, it’s that scarecrow.
I’ve put the old pocket rocket in some questionable places before, but I wouldn’t touch that bag-o-bones with your John Thomas and three condoms. God knows where she’s been.
By Alabama
March 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this
At least I proofread my post before I click the button. Golly.
By reality check
March 13, 2008 12:43 PM | Link to this
Spitzer’s hypocrisy is appalling. His taste in women is even worse.
By AmVet
March 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this
It is abundantly clear that we have, as a country, reached the point over the past few decades, where the so called conservatives have lost most if not virtually all of their credibility.
Many argue that their leadership has been a series of American disasters. And to date the legacy of this ideology seems to be little more than innumerable scandals and cases of corruption, unbridled hubris and cronyism and ineptitude on a variety of fronts.
And most now (finally) agree that the nation is heading in the wrong direction with them at the helm.
The Democrats offer perilously few better choices, but will nonetheless be a vibrant political force in a liberal nation.
Some pooh pooh the notion of a reasoned and reasonable center. I do not.
And I believe John McCain’s pending nomination is evidence that the American electorate does not either.
Here’s to the swan song of self-serving American political extremism.
By Peter
March 13, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this
Interesting here all the Wrongs are in hiding and nothing but dribble from Jim Whooten.
Looks like the BIG issues will not be discussed like the economy, and failing WAR efforts.
The Wrongs want to spend ALL money on WAR, and forget about the economy here at home…..
Hey it doesn’t matter if the SMALL FOLKS loose their houses, and the American dream is dying for the common man!
So let’s CUT TAXES……. and spend more in Iraq, after all the real money made there (Oil Money) is ending up in Foreign Banks around the world.
Who knows where the corrupt government we put in Iraq has been spending the money…….
So let’s support that wonderfully corrupt government……..Let’s all remember government by Religion is the way to go…..that is the way it is in Iraq…..makes perfect sense to the WRONGS!
By Jackie
March 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this
Wonder of wonders how Eliot Spitzer’s issue is extrapolated to be reflective of Barack Obabam’s character. The conservatives still don’t want us to believe our lying eyes and ears. They still support a man that orders torture, spying on Americans without a warrant, suspends Constitutional right s, spends money in Iraq to support his business/ethical ideas while denying medical care for people in this country. The conservatives have been hoodwinked by a charlatan that reaches into their pockets and takes their futures and that of their families while they believe what is being done is for the protection of this country. WHAT???????
By Oh c'mon reality check
March 13, 2008 1:16 PM | Link to this
If I found $4,300 bucks on the sidewalk, I’d take a turn with Kristen. She’s more than passable. And, young enough to be my daughter. Rrrrowr.
By Apocalypse Hussein
March 13, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
CHICAGO - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama said Thursday that Sen. John McCain reversed his position on President Bush’s deep tax cuts in order to win the Republican presidential nomination, one of his sharpest criticisms yet of the Arizona senator he hopes to face this fall.
Criticizing GOP efforts to extend major tax cuts from Bush’s first term and to eliminate the estate tax, Obama said: “These are all steps that John McCain rightly said were irresponsible when they first came up.”
“He made a decision to reverse himself on that,” Obama told reporters as he flew from Chicago to Washington for a series of Senate votes on budget issues.
“That was how, I guess, you got your ticket punched to be the Republican nominee,” he said of McCain. “But he was right then, and he’s wrong now.”
McCain has said he supports extending the tax cuts, which he initially voted against, because the economy is struggling and tax reductions offer some stimulus.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said in a statement that if Obama is nominated, “the American people will have a clear choice: John McCain will cut taxes while Senator Obama will raise them, hurting our economy and costing jobs for hardworking Americans.”
Obama has proposed an array of subsidies for higher education, health care and other costs hitting middle-class families. He said he believes he can pay for such plans by closing tax loopholes, placing a new tax on carbon emissions, phasing out the Iraq war and ending the Bush tax cuts for the nation’s highest earners.
“We have identified the cuts that we think are available, or the changes in our tax code that are available to pay for our middle-class tax cut as well as our proposals to fund higher education and so on,” the Illinois senator said.
He said, however, “There will be a lot of special interests and lobbyists that will resist the kinds of changes that I’ve proposed.”
Asked if he would scale back his agenda if some of his proposed tax increases fail, Obama said, “I am a strong believer in pay-go,” a term for avoiding new deficits by paying as you go. “So adhering to pay-go means that if I couldn’t find the revenues or reduce spending in other areas, then I couldn’t pay for my proposals.”
By Apocalypse Hussein
March 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this
Hillary Apologizes to Black Voters….Again
Give it a rest Hillary…….too little too late… You have lost the vast majority black vote forever(not that I claim to speak for all blacks…I certainly am not able to do that as we are not a monolith) but I feel very confident making this statement anyway…
Also, why apologize when you are in front of the black audience only? Why did you not apologize before? You had your chance to apologize to ALL voters on the day this story broke..instead you skirted around the issue and took no real action. Geraldine is still out there running her mouth. Obviously, she is doing so with your approval. Certainly there are white and ‘other’ voters who were offended by what Geraldine stated as well. I think I recall you pulled a similar stunt at a ‘black’ event hosted by Tavis Smiley……….you apologized for your husbands remarks then.
I don’t think you feel it in your heart. You probably do not feel that Geraldine or your husband….or even YOU stated anything wrong or offensive. Yet, you apologize…… Please keep your meaningless apologies to yourself. If you were truly sorry you would not continue to allow your surrogates to make such comments in reference to Barack Obama or allow them to further alienate black voters.
You are proving every day just what a terrible commander in chief you would be…………
By Apocalypse Hussein
March 13, 2008 1:32 PM | Link to this
CHICAGO—Citing his judgment and ability to lead, admirals and generals from the United States Army, Navy and Air Force that together have served under the last nine Commanders-in-Chief today announced their endorsement of Senator Barack Obama for president.
In offering their endorsement, the generals and admirals recognized Obama’s judgment to oppose the war in Iraq before it began, his respect for the Constitution and rule of law, his leadership on behalf of America’s servicemen and women and his ability to conduct the diplomacy necessary to restore America’s standing in the world.
“Those of us who have served, worn the cloth of our nation, and gone into harm’s way know that to be successful we must have the strongest sense of trust in our Commander in Chief. We must be confident that he or she has listened to the best possible advice, that he or she has garnered the best possible information from all possible sources, that he or she has analyzed and weighed all the possible consequences and outcomes, and that he or she has made the decision to exert military force as a last possible resort,” said Admiral (Ret.) Robert “William” Williamson (USN). “Of this I am certain: Senator Obama will do all of those things and much more to ensure the safety and f reedom of our citizens, our allies, and coalition partners. He has all the great qualities and attributes required to carry out the most difficult duties of the Presidency.
“I spent a career involved in coalition warfare, and I am keenly aware of the importance of working with allies,” said Brigadier General (Ret.) James Smith (USAF). “Senator Obama brings a powerful approach to dealing with national security challenges by truly leveraging multinational relationships. He brings a new face of America to the rest of the world.”
“Senator Obama has a profound, even scholarly knowledge of our Constitution and he has the deepest respect for the rule of law. As a career naval officer, I trust his judgment, his temperament, and his ability to analyze complex international situations and relationships and to make military decisions that are in the best long term interests of the United States,” said Admiral (Ret.) Don Guter (USN). “It will take the powerful leadership of Senator Obama to forge the consensus we need to right our ship of state, restore our honorable place in the world, and secure the safety of our nation.”
“As a child of the Greatest Generation I learned that the attraction, glory and resilience of America come from the principle of “We the People.” In my four decades in the national security arena I developed an increasing appreciation for the intent and expectations of this principle, particularly in terms of the Common Defense and Domestic Tranquility,” said Brigadier General (Ret.) David McGinnis (ARNG). “In recent years, enticed to believe that these roles belonged to a chosen elite, each of us have paid an increasing price in loss of power, liberties, and national treasure. Today, by every measure, our current strategic situation is not good. It is from that perspective I believe only Senator Obama offers us the opportunity to reclaim our Republic, restore our national dignity and ensure our overall security. I salute his leadership, embrace his candidacy, and commend his courage.”
Obama is the grandson of a soldier who marched in Patton’s Army. Throughout his career, he has exercised the judgment and leadership required of a Commander-in-Chief. In 2002, he opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, cautioning that it could lead to “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences” at a time when conventional Washington was lining up for war. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he has worked across the aisle to secure the world’s most dangerous weapons and as a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, he has compiled a record of standing up for America’s troops and veterans, leading a bipartisan effort to improve care for injured troops, passing laws to fight homelessness among veterans, and increase screening for Traumatic Brain Injury. Over the course of the last year, Obama has unveiled a comprehensive national security agenda that includes detailed plans to secure America from the threat of terrorism, responsibly end the war in Iraq and renew American diplomacy to restore our standing in the world.
By Joe Bland
March 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
I see Apoplectic Insane has added to her name, but not the quality of her blather. Blah, blah, blah.
By OneForTheRoad
March 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this
The nearer we get to the end of time, the more we have to hear about it.
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Link to this
Wooten exposes a major weakness in the GOP think: Lessons of Spitzer’s fall? What lessons? A scandal piece that segues into Obama, and there’s the rub. Wooten tries to define Obama’s appeal. Misses by a mile.
Obamania: the timing of a pendulum. It will come back to Wooten’s side soon enough, it always has, it always will.
Wooten may as well write about defining chaos as he would succeed trying figure out Obamamania.
We can never see ourselves, Mr. Wooten, dont you know that? Trying to stop what’s comin because you somehow got a light on it all is vanity. Pa told us narry a thing dont happen what the goods lords sez gots 2B, pa done said.
he done did say too thats the feds bailing out white collars is sure goin to make blue collars form up 2 backslide and then theys be gettin justice the old fashion way, he done did, he done I know’d he done did
he done did reckon so
By NSA
March 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this
Ah yes, this is the Repuke party I remember, liars, thieves, cowards, and traitors…them neocon scum had just taken over temporarily to start a war of extermination against israel’s enemies, America be damned. Now the gop can go back to its roots, theft. “In the tiny world of people who keep the books for Washington’s multitude of political committees, Christopher J. Ward was considered the Republican “gold standard,” in the words of a former co-worker — one of the few people with so much expertise in election law that everyone wanted Ward’s services.
This Story NRCC Treasurer Under Scrutiny Was Thought of as ‘Gold Standard’ Campaign Finance Fraud The quiet workaholic is listed as treasurer for 83 GOP fundraising committees over the past eight years, according to Federal Election Commission records. In the past five years alone, he oversaw the accounting for committees that raised more than $400 million, $368 million of it at the National Republican Congressional Committee, according to a Washington Post review of those records.
But in late January, Ward, 39, was dismissed as the NRCC announced that it had found financial “irregularities” that “may include fraud.” The FBI is investigating what appears to be “a significant amount of money” missing from the House Republican fundraising arm, according to a law enforcement official.
Now the dozens of GOP lawmakers who had clamored for Ward’s help are apprehensively poring over his work along with FBI investigators, trying to learn more about the finances he oversaw. Several lawmakers have told Rep. K. Michael Conaway (Tex.), head of the NRCC’s auditing subcommittee, that they think money may be missing from their political committees, as well.
Officials told The Post that the NRCC’s problems may be more extensive. Republican lawmakers and former committee staff members now allege that Ward fabricated audits and other financial documents for 2003 to 2006, some of which were turned over to a Wachovia Bank branch in McLean in October 2006, when the NRCC borrowed $8 million in last-minute money for congressional campaigns.
Concerned that they could be investigated for possible violations of bank fraud laws, NRCC officials quickly called in the FBI, according to lawmakers and officials with knowledge of the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Wachovia spokeswoman Carrie Ruddy declined to comment. An official at the Federal Election Commission, which could fine the committee if it misstated the NRCC’s financial position in monthly reports, also declined to comment.”
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
Jbm,
I realize that this has nothing to do with the sexcapades, but would you care to join the amici curiae on this case?
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B192878.PDF
I think I know a way to shove this so far up the NEA they’ll be walking funny from here on out.
By NSA
March 13, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this
HEY HAG FANS, DID YOU READ THIS ABOVE: “Obama is the grandson of a soldier who marched in Patton’s Army.”
WHOSE ARMY DID THE HAGS GRAND DADDY MARCH IN? AH HEARS IT WAS THE GERMAN NAZI ARMY…SEIG HILLARY
By Apocalypse Hussein
March 13, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this
Joe Bland,
That’s “his” dude.
By Joe Bland
March 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Link to this
Sorry. Anybody who posts so much with so little value … I just assumed was the same sex as Hillary. You understand, I’m sure.
By Apocalypse Hussein
March 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
Joe Bland,
You’d have to be in touch with your feminine side to think like that.
Sorry I can’t relate.
By FarLeftLoons
March 13, 2008 2:06 PM | Link to this
If you’re going to spend $5,000/hour on a hooker, choose better.
By Becky
March 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this
I’m still trying to figure out why a man would pay that much money to be with any woman?
By NSA
March 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Link to this
GEORGE BUSH IS NOT AN AMERICAN, RATHER HE IS SOME KIND OF ADOLF HITLER WANNABE, SURROUNDED BY HIS NAZI-ZIONIST MASTERS.
By GayGreyGeek
March 13, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this
LoonyToons - So, to you, it’s better to “work” an airport men’s room?
By NSA
March 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this
YOU DOING A HE LL OF JOB THERE BUSIE, A HE LL OF A JOB:
Gold close to $1,000 an ounce and going higher!
Oil near $110 a barrel!
Wheat to a record high of $13.49 a bushel!
Soybeans to an all-time high of $15.86 a bushel!
Copper to record highs at $4 a pound!
Platinum to all-time record highs!
Sugar, coffee, cocoa all starting to take off to the upside like moon shots!
Even palm oil, the price of rice, rubber, all at or approaching record high prices!
THESE ARE NOT THE ASSETS THE CHIMP, BUBBLES GREENSWINE, AND BUNGLING BARNACLES WANT TO INFLATE, THESE ARE INPUT COSTS TO THE DAILY COST OF LIVING IN AMERICA.
By Peter
March 13, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this
Becky it is like everything….. when you have too much money, and it is NOT an issue at all……..that money seems small.
Figure if you have $20 K saved spending say $200.00 is nothing maybe…..but if you are flat out rich, and have $20 Million or more……. $20,000.00 may seem like a small amount of money.
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
No, NSA, you’re thinkin of Bush’s money. It’s all from financing Hitler, and everyone knows it and agrees and nobody disputes the fact that Bush’s grandpa profited from Hitler’s Blitzkreig. (and both men laughed about it many times).
We are being ruined by the vestige of the fruit of the money that financed the Third Reich.
Fact. Believe it. Know it. Live it.
then GFY, you ignorant sod
By TAFKAH
March 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Link to this
Let’s move along, shall we?
Union, SC - Three people upset that a news crew was reporting on the arrest of a relative attacked the television reporter and yelled racial slurs at her and a photographer, authorities said Tuesday.
The family members, all white, began yelling and charged at black WSPA-TV reporter Charmayne Brown while she was standing in the street near the family’s home in Union, said news director Alex Bongiorno.
Go find the video. More sterling behavior from the inbred trash crackers that keep the South wandering around with its head up its collective a$$. Anyone wanna take bets on whether these white trash c^nts vote Republican?
Gotta hand it to the guy with the cigarette. He never lost his smoke.
Trash.
By Jackie
March 13, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Have you noticed how the Repubs always want to talk about someones sexual/private relationships, be they within a marriage or not? When it comes to discussing “kitchen table” issues that most of us are concerned with, the answer to those questions are always tax cuts!
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this
You move along, cheekwart.
By Peter
March 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this
Hey Jackie boy did you ever hit it on the “Head” with that comment !
“By Jackie
March 13, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this
Have you noticed how the Repubs always want to talk about someones sexual/private relationships, be they within a marriage or not? When it comes to discussing “kitchen table” issues that most of us are concerned with, the answer to those questions are always tax cuts!”
Yup no discussion of Iraq Oil Money in foreign banks….doing what ? Paying whom ?
All while our TAX dollars are being bilked from America and spent on a corrupt government…..that bases their laws according to RELIGION !
By getalife
March 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this
“Obama’s close pastor of 20 years says blacks should sing ‘God Damn America’ and says US brought on 9/11 attacks Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.” Including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”
Game over.
By Dusty
March 13, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this
Jackie, dear heart,@2:28
The people here talking about sex are not Republicans, except for a very few. What you have here is Liberal Lax and Loony Day. Diminished Dems have swarmed over this blog like flies over honey. I guess Luckovichs is not salacious enough so here they come, panting and drooling.
By the way, thanks for mentioning thoughtful conservative tax cuts. Now that is something worth discussing. Would you mind asking your over stimulated political partners to go elsewhere? That might clear up the pollution here.
By @@
March 13, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this
Hellooooo Jim.
What do you see as the repercussions on public attitutudes or particular politicans, if any, of Spitzer’s fall?
None.
The only question that comes to my mind as a result is what the heck is “THE MAN ACT?”
If it was a woman transporting a male prostitute across state lines, or a male transporting a male prostitute across state lines, or a lesbian transporting another lesbian prostitute across state lines……
What would they call it then?
Human trafficking? Human Rights? Human LEFTovers?
Jus’ wandering.
By NSA
March 13, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
gitadyke, we ain’t elecin’ no que@rs to the whitehouse, so forgit about hillary…
By Sen Craig (REPUBLICAN)
March 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this
Right you are FarLeftLoons! That hooker is ugly, (I think.)
At least I got arrested trying to have gay sex with a total hunk! That undercover cop is someone I still think about if you know what I mean.
Family values are important to us conservative Republicans. Its not really cheating on your wife when you have sex with men in a public restroom. At least Spitzer did the right thing and resigned. Disgusting. I just can’t imagine a man wanting to have sex with a female prostitute. Grossgusting.
By GayGreyGeek
March 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
getalife - why don’t we talk about Geraldine Ferraro? Or mayhaps Bill’s output in South Carolina?
By NSA
March 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this
Ah Honorable Senator Craig, the hooker in question likes her sex using the but….
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
There, there, @@.
You dont need to be wonderin ‘bout nuthin, but UB certain that you’re a moron, okay, cause we be certain.
We are so certain.
By NSA
March 13, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
Ah Honorable Senator Craig, the hooker in question likes her sex using the but….
By Dusty
March 13, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this
@@ 3:03
The Mann Act was named after a gentleman named Mann who did not want women transported across state lines for prostitution. That was around 1910. Other things got added later. Google gives lotsa references.
Seems kind strange that his name was Mann when he was directing his actions at men. Think what would have happened if his name had been WOMAN!!!
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Link to this
You can spell man all you want, dusty, but that dont mean you aint ever gonna gits you a man, capiche?
Dusty or @@? Betty or Veronica? Ginger or Maryjane?
By admirably in tune
March 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
When a person smokes marijuana, he/she is usually concerned that there is a really stupid look on their face. Look at that mug shot of MaryAnn of Gilligan’s Isle.
Dont smoke dope.
By Dusty
March 13, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
3:31
Admiral, you have already lost your job so beat it. You got swept out for running your mouth without a brain just like you’re doing now.
Vamoose! Scram! Exit! Capiche??
By GayGreyGeek
March 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
Oh, DustBuster - if “running your mouth without a brain” is the criteria for not staying, then your PaleoCon butt needs to be leaving, right?
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
Dusty’s got it right, Jackie. The game this week is a liberal one, which is why Jim has suited up: spin Spitzer as a Benny Hill sex farce, just like United States v. Clinton. That way everybody has fun and nobody gets hurt. And Jim even gets to play Church Lady (you know how he likes the hosiery) and teach us all the “Lesson”. Spank-spank. Wink-wink. Ogle-ogle. [Pratfall]
By @@
March 13, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
Dusty:
Thanks for the extra “N”. My curiosity didn’t compel me to google.
Think what would have happened if his name had been WOMAN!!!
At least it would have made more sense.
Whoa Man!
By Sen Vitter (REPUBLICAN)
March 13, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
A little spank spank is a lot of fun!
Especially when you are wearing a dirty diaper!
Spank-spank. Wink-wink. Stink-stink.
By Dusty
March 13, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
Glenn @4:02
Hey..I don’t think Jim got a Benny Hill thrill out of this one. Maybe he wanted to see libs make fools of themselves which they did immediately. I guess it goes to show that some politicians are fools and libs are just like them.
Now, which way are you leaning today? I can’t keep track.
Read you later. Bye now…
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
Dusty, I don’t lean. Jim’s indulging in moral hygiene. That’s liberalism. Jim often indulges his liberal urges. I choose to liken that to cross-dressing.
Me, I wear a 12th Century kilt, with nothing under it but my dirk, of course. And that, I use to stick it to my fellow conservatives when they show signs of liberal weakness.
You still haven’t pointed out an instance of my alleged “liberalism”, and you never will. Run along now, and don’t get into mischief. I’m preparing for combat with the NEA, which taught Jim everything he knows about education.
By Bubba Li Cious
March 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this
Glenn is so a librul. He is reel librul with the nasty mouth. He shore aint no suthern conservtive cus we dont talk like that. I heer say that he probly bent over in Sanfran Cisco once too often to pick up a quarter and thats where he lerned about that nasty talk. Leest wise that is whut Red told me to tell him cus he wus reel meen to me yester day. I dont know what it meens cus Red didnt tell me and I shore hope Glenn dont tell me about it.
By Jackie
March 13, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
@Dusty,
Again, you display you lack of cognitive skills. The thesis of Jim’s blog today is ABOUT SEX, or did you read that. Secondly, you need to really put emphasis on what you know instead of trying to expound on the things that you haven’t a clue. As for the liberals speaking about sex, we have been trying to have a conversation about anything OTHER than sex, SLOW-MOTION!!!!! Do us all a favor, go play on I-285.
By AmVet
March 13, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Glenn and admiral (among others),
Mighty mellifluous lately! I salute you! SAAHHH LUTE! (And pray for rain).
This place rocks (occasionally).
Certainly no Radio Caroline to be heard (oh alas AND alack!), but the very serviceable Benny Hill is better than a stick in the eye. (Yakety Sax on ya GG!)
Ginger or Maryjane indeed, Nancy R?
Both. Simultaneously!
Lightweight-half steppin’ pantie wastes/waists…
It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future. ~ Yogi Berra
By Jackie
March 13, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this
@Glenn,
I give you credit for having the ability to wade through the clutter of utterances by those that do not have a clue. I do not agree with your arguments about many subjects, but, respect the fact that your presentations are cogent. When you stated your agreement with Dusty about only the liberals were speaking about sex, it was confusing and unlike you. Just hope that you are not having an unpleasant day. Let the jousting begin.
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
Hi Jackie, yeah I was referring to my 12:15, which suggests that you were getting lumpy lumping all us GOP in the same barber chair with those who can’t turn past this week’s centerfold.
Say, would you happen to know what I’ve done to get Bubba the Licious so riled at me? Only thing I can think of is, I pointed out that if you’re going to stack your beer cases to use as a stool, your backs better off if you use three cases of longnecks instead of four of cans. Now Bubba’s got me out on Goat Hill downing longneck Anchor Steam, and Anchor doesn’t even make longnecks! Besides, unlike Gavin Newsom the only thing I ever chased in that town was cans, and lots of Schlitz.
Guess I’ll have to stand him and his buddies a few cold ones.
By AmVet
March 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this
OK, lets all just cut the crap and put the cards on the table. Most of us are blogging from Atlanta Frickin Georgia.
Buckhead being the epicenter of Dixie’s Moron Belt. And in the celestial hinterlands we have Cobb and Cherokee. (Sorry, Gwinnett, you also suck incredibly, but with NO noteworthy comments).
And even here in Doraville, a Puritan wearing a yellow ribbon accosted me because of my Woody Guthrie T shirt! I shiite you not.
But we can do what we can do.
3987 KIA.
Read it and weep…
By @@
March 13, 2008 5:38 PM | Link to this
OK, lets all just cut the crap
If only you could AmVet….if only you could.
At least your last “piece” was shorter so maybe you’re taking your own advice.
By Jackie
March 13, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this
@Glenn,
My posting was not concise and does appear to put EVERYONE into one category. Thank you pointing out that error.
@AMVET,
Dubya just announced he expected to congratulate John McCain on day of inaguration and that he was going to leave his office holding his head high. In other words, he thinks he has done a “good job.” Yes, he has; he has done a “job on all of us.” The “real war” in Afghanistan is beginning to heat up. News reports indicates that the country is becoming a nation of drug addicts. Just think what that means to our troops. They kicked the Russians out and for us to have to deal with drug-addicted warriors? McCain was right about the time, wrong about the country.
By AmVet
March 13, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
I ma not being mean-spirited, but Atlanta (and filled hinterlands) YOU are worthy of your reputation!
Total deVASTation!
In an epic drought.
Pray for lottsa rain.
And more shock and awe.
(Bomb Iran or Korea, or Cuba, or Singapore, or…)
By Peter
March 13, 2008 5:54 PM | Link to this
Well WRONGS are Recession is finally here……. as if all didn’t know that yet.
Great Job by Bush and his groups of thieves…..
The Raping America is almost completed.
It appears it was a WRONG decision to attack Iraq…… unless you had ulterior motives, as in the case of Bush.
Gee as dad (Senior Bush) shakes his hands (Junior Bush) and says..
“nice job son, our family will really do great now that oil has gotten so expensive!”.
By AmVet
March 13, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
In an administration of endless messes, there is one superlative standout. And that is when our hero of Alabama kicked some Taliban a$$! He had my, and almost all Americans, blessing.
Then….he took his eye (amazingly) off the Tora Bora prize. Inexcusable! And a BIG part of our current occupation “malaise”.
And now, Jackie, the mujahadeen problem doesn’t look so rosy anyway.
But Ronnnie would be oh so proud…
By Glenn
March 13, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
AmVet, really? How cool! I come from a long line of Puritans—-well, clenched Calvinists, really—-and I don’t think a one of them was cool enough to want to rip a Woody Guthrie shirt right off a man’s back! Wow, she must have it bad for old Woody. If you see her again, do me a favor and don’t tell her about Woody taking a turn for the worse and all. Just let her think he’s out smoking rope with Marley or something. Wouldn’t want to break the darling’s heart. She might even be family.
By jbmlaw
March 13, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Dear Glenn @ 1:49, I am game, always up for meritorious pro bono, but I have not yet read the link - full day today. Do you know what is our time line? I’m not sure I can produce before April 7.