Thinking Right

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{I’d welcome a president who knows them, who understands without glorifying the mundane, who connects — who knows firsthand how utterly dishonorable it would be to abandon a cause for which good men and women have died. A president who can be their voice to people who don’t really know them, can ensure that they are not strangers whose sacrifices are betrayed to arbitrary timetables and political expediency.-Wooten}}}}

The demokrat’s position on the war is the one that will supply the most votes for them in the primaries, pure and simple.

They could care less what happens to the people of Iraq and the Middle East or our national security.

You read every day about Islamic savages blowing up and ethnically cleansing innocent people in parts of the world that America is not even involved in.

We are going to fight this war whether we like or not, no matter if we stay and fight or run and surrender

And people are going to die no matter what we decide to do.

So do we give up our strategic gains in the Middle East and make a small group of spineless pacifists happy or do we continue killing terrorists?

When the scumbags from al Qaeda have been reduced to only having women with Down’s syndrome and ten year old boys, unwitting victims all, to carry out their atrocities, it should tell you how close we are to being rid of these murderous thugs and make the decision a pretty simple one to understand.

McCain 08.

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Good news from Iraq that the Urinal refuses to report because it is bad news for them:

{{{{The Iraqi Army found two kidnap victims and Coalition Forces killed three al-Qaeda in Iraq operatives and detained seven suspected AQI during Operation Blackhawk Thrasher near Qubah, approximately four miles northeast of Zaganiyah, Iraq, Feb. 7. This is part of the countrywide Operation Phantom Phoenix.}}}} {{{{During the joint operation, which involved the Iraqi Army, Iraqi Police and Soldiers from 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, Coalition Forces detained seven suspected AQI during village clearing operations. One AQI was killed by an Air Weapons Team and two more were killed in a firefight with CF in palm groves directly west of Qubah.}}}}

That’s three more terrorists that will not be blowing up any children in this world.

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Free White Power Kampaign ads, skirting the boundaries of McBushie-Feingold:

{{{{A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC reporter could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton’s participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.-Urinal}}}}

{{{{Ask any Hillary-hater what specifically she did so wrong in any of the Clintons’ so-called scandals, and watch him stammer and blink.-Urinal Vent (Yeah, right.)}}}}

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Read this story and tell me if it makes any sense at all to you or does it seem like some rambling pinko conspiracy theory meant only to justify this screaming front page headline:

Science censored at CDC?-Urinal

Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now?

Here’s how the headline would read if the libs had a shred of honesty about themselves:

You can live in these trailers for hundreds of years and never get sick, but since this can be pinned on Bushie, then let’s form a huge mindless wasteful kommittee, manufacture news stories for years on end and have our pinko house organ the AJC throw around ridiculous headlines to make Repugs seem like backwoods neanderthals.

Thank you for your continued support in our efforts to waste the governments time.

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Another Urinal story only a “nuanced” lib can understand:

{{{{Lenders wary of new coal plants- Three of the nation’s biggest investment banks have introduced an unprecedented set of lending guidelines that could make it harder for energy companies to get financing for coal-fired power plants, while encouraging lending for renewable energy plants.}}}}

Blah, blah, blah, hundreds of mindless babbling words with not one single solitary mention of what the hell they mean by renewable energy.

When ever liberalism gets involved you will find an industry mired in idiocy, with We the People being the ones that pick up the tab.

Not to mention they are arguing over junk science:

{{{{Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore’s mythical “consensus.” Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.}}}}

{{{{Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.}}}}

{{{{And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming.}}}}

Silly liberals, just imagine how much money they’ve wasted on this global warming scare, how much of this crap have they forced into the minds of our children replacing their basic education with grievance mongering, just like any other of their stupid junk science hysterias, what a waste of research and funding, we could have been working on real problems.

But no, the endless wild goose chases of the Godless heathen liberals trying to replace the religion missing from their lives with some pointless feel good animal worshipping.

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demokrats using the government to fund political activities, no matter what the cost or consequences:

{{{{Every specific charge against Mr. Krongard was examined and refuted in a report by the committee minority. And as Mr. Krongard noted, he was not a big political donor, had never met President Bush, and had never been to the White House except as a tourist. Yet none of these facts interfered with Mr. Suckie Face Waxman’s public smears that Mr. Krongard’s “partisan political ties” had led him to “halt investigations, censor reports, and refuse to cooperate with law-enforcement agencies.”}}}}

{{{{Mr. Suckie Face Waxman doesn’t much care if any of this is true, because his larger goal is to send a message to every Inspector General in government: They answer to him. Mr. SF Waxman expects them to tee up political scandals in the executive branch and serve as witnesses for his prosecution whether or not the facts support it. Mr. Krongard’s mistake was telling the truth.}}}}

Correct me if I’m wrong but everyday I hear the Code Pinkos whining about “change” and ending the political decisiveness but do their actions back up their words?

By Craig

February 9, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

By any reasonable standard, the Bush efforts in the Middle East have made us less safe. McCain wants to continue those for another “100 years”. If you loved the last few years, as Mr. Wooten has, then by all means vote for St. John.

If you think it’s time to go after the people who attacked us and bring them to justice, rather than playing at war as Bush has done, then it’s time for a change.

By Curious Observer

February 9, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Here we go again—four more years of standoff between a Democratic Congress and a stubborn Republican president. The Democrats, with the presidency practically handed to them in gift wrapping, have managed to find the only way to stay in the wilderness—an internecine war between the finalists for the nomination, aided and abetted by a stupid decision to exclude the delegates of two of the most populous states in the union.

There is no way out of this morass for the Democrats. If they allow the super-delegates to decide the nomination, seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan anyway, or conduct a re-vote in those two states, they alienate the youths, blacks, and white men favoring Obama. If Obama somehow wins the nomination, they lose the votes of the Hispanics and white men.

You can take this to the bank: McCain, with his terrible temper and stubborn ways, will not bend to the will of Congress, nor will he compromise once he has made up his mind, especially since he needs the support of the right wing. Nothing will get done about healthcare or the war. If you think Congress and the president are at war now, just wait to see what a real war looks like.

Congratulations, Democratic Party. You have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

By jbmlaw

February 9, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Great post, Luckoduh. As Jim notes, Mitt’s gracious resignation made an strong argument for supporting Sen. McCain, even without mentioning the name of the latter (as the leftist press repeats ad nauseum.) As with all of my conservative brethren, I am disappointed that we are yet again exiled (we will celebrate our 20th year in Babylon). If Sen. McCain is true to his word on judicial appointments, we can work with him.

Now my unrelated note, to pick up on an argument of Luckoduh: who here is amazed that the leftist press is destressed that 27 year old Chelsea is described as “pimped out” while Juanita Broaderick continues to recover her life in silence. No standards at all on the left.

By Ray

February 9, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

I wonder what planet Cynthia Tucker is living on. In her own “give away the farm” stance, she is advocating universal amnesty for the 12 or so million felons in this country that are here illegally. Any good, survivable democracy is a nation of laws. These “poor unfortunates” are overburdening most of the infrastructure in the communities where they live, including schools, hospitals, social services and criminal justice to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars of tax money paid by you and me. All for some contractor or landscaper being able to hire “cheap” labor to make more money or put grapes on your table at 15 or so cents a pound cheaper. This labor is anything but cheap. Not obeying our laws will be the downfall of all of us. I wonder why Cynthia and the rest of her liberal buddies don’t get it.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

{{{{“President Bush is being criticized because his inaugural celebration cost $40 million. When asked about it, the president said, ‘Sorry, but my daughters insisted on an open bar.’” –Conan O’Brien, PMSNBC}}}}

{{{{“A huge family night for the Bush family. This morning the Bush twins woke up in Lincoln’s lap.” —David Letterman}}}}

{{{{“The big inaugural was yesterday and yesterday President Bush’s mother — Barbara Bush — brought a camera and was taking pictures the whole time. When asked why she said ‘because my grand daughters won’t remember any of this tomorrow’” —Conan O’Brien}}}}

{{{{“Security is a big issue this year. So the Secret Service announced that people attending President Bush’s inaugural ceremony will not be allowed to bring coolers or alcoholic beverages. In other words, the Bush twins will not be going.” —Conan O’Brien}}}}

{{{{“They say that the security arrangements for the up coming presidential inauguration will be the most extensive in history. And that’s just to keep the Bush twins away from the champagne.” —Craig Ferguson}}}}

Bush Girls Gone Wild

Yeah, real funny.

Once again we have another of the KKKlintons crying for themselves.

Poor little things, ahhh.

By OneForTheRoad

February 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Well, Jim.

Sacrificing principles can be tough. I hope your constitution can endure the stress of sacrificing more and more and more until finally landing on McCain. Then again, what’s a principled person to do if not make sacrifices when dealing with politics, eh?

Here’s to endurance. [Followed by a swig of coffee, straight up and piping hot. Aaaahhhhhh.]

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now?

What else would you call it? Market research? Tiddlywinks? Free-floating opinion, like saying you can live in a FEMA trailer for a hundred years without getting sick?

Really, it’s disturbing to see the systematic censorship and just outright dismissal of science in the Bush administration.

jbmlaw, Juanita Broderick’s accusations were certainly disturbing. However, they are not connected to the “pimping out” comments on Chelsea Clinton. The latter is about media bias, and commentary that goes out of bounds. The accusations of rape against Bill Clinton do not justify referring to his daughter as “pimped out” when she is legitimately campaigning for her mother, who was not accused of rape. They aren’t justified in any way, period. Bringing up old rape charges is a way of dodging responsibility.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Well Ray,

When the Department of Justice refused to prosecute contempt charges, water boarding but the UN does and illegal spying, they should give them amnesty.

Hell, they should open up the prisons and let out the millions. When they start prosecuting this criminal administration, you might have a point but until then quit whining about amnesty.

By catlady

February 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Well, on the plus side, if McCain were to be elected, he has shown the needed “flexibility”, hasn’t he?

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

• DAY 8: No Child Left Unsold

This is so much like Rudy in a dress! Nice pumps, Jim, but she still isn’t pretty.

Your thesis: Mr. McCain’s having survived his shootdown followed by years of captivity and even torture “steels” him for the Presidency? And for what would his bravery steel him as President? For scaring our enemies and for running the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs from a bully pulpit.

[You might have chosen titanium over steel. In one way, it can be even stronger; in the other, it snaps.]

I can’t think there’s much question but that he would scare our enemies. As for Vets Affairs, frankly it’s difficult to limn your arguments.

You say “the media are torn between whether to treat them [you seem to be referring to decommissioned veterans, though earlier you name serving “military”] all as heroes or as emotionally damaged victims who need our sympathy and considerable therapy”, when in real life “most are neither”. So send for John McCain, you cry, for it is he “who knows them”, who “connects” and “understands”.

I’m flummoxed. How is it that John McCain is uniquely suited to empathize with those who are neither heroes nor damaged veterans warranting considerable therapy, when he himself was both?

Isn’t it more likely that those of us civilians in the habit of offering simple respect and thoughtfulness—-and help where needed and asked for—-to serving personnel and to veterans are rather more proximate in experience than John McCain is to those who are neither heroes nor walking wounded.

In any event, as part of his extensive program of governmental action, Mr. McCain has promised to expand greatly the USDVA—-in the interest of making it more sympathetic, in part to those warranting “considerable therapy”.

That part, at least, is definitely a Glamor DO.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

duh,

This is what happening to the women in Iraq nut job:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — The images in the Basra police file are nauseating: Page after page of women killed in brutal fashion — some strangled to death, their faces disfigured; others beheaded. All bear signs of torture.

The women are killed, police say, because they failed to wear a headscarf or because they ignored other “rules” that secretive fundamentalist groups want to enforce.

“Fear, fear is always there,” says 30-year-old Safana, an artist and university professor. “We don’t know who to be afraid of. Maybe it’s a friend or a student you teach. There is no break, no security. I don’t know who to be afraid of.”

Her fear is justified. Iraq’s second-largest city, Basra, is a stronghold of conservative Shia groups. As many as 133 women were killed in Basra last year — 79 for violation of “Islamic teachings” and 47 for so-called honor killings, according to IRIN, the news branch of the U.N.’s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs….

“We thought there would be freedom and democracy and women would have their rights. But all the things we were promised have not come true. There is only fear and horror.”

And that is why the gop will get crushed in the general.

Now kindly, go have sex with yourself you pathetic pro death war monger.

By @@

February 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

O.K. Jim, I can, with reluctance, support McCain.

I could not, in all good conscience, criticize the left for their selfish pursuit of all things domestic, while ignoring freedom for Iraqis.

I have issues with McCain on the domestic front, but not with his stance on Iraq. Besides, I think he scares the hello out of Iran.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Iran is ready for a new round of negotiations over security in Iraq with the United States after Feb. 11, RIA Novosti reported Feb. 8. “We did express our readiness for entering into negotiations with the U.S. when talks were held by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany over Iran’s nuclear program,” Mottaki said in an interview on Iranian television.

It seems they’d rather deal with Bush than McCain.

Oliver North says it best:

WASHINGTON — When it sailed from Simon’s Bay near Cape Town, South Africa, on Feb. 25, 1852, under the command of Capt. Robert Salmond, the British paddle wheel frigate HMS Birkenhead was loaded with more than 640 men, women and children. Mostly, however, the passengers were British soldiers, their horses and ammunition. Their destination was Algoa Bay, South Africa, as reinforcements for Sir Harry Smith in the eighth campaign of the Kaffir War.

*Several hours after sailing, the Birkenhead struck a rock at Danger Point in the dead of night and was instantly in distress. While many of the military men sleeping below decks drowned immediately, others who reached the main deck were told to maintain order and discipline. As the ship took on water at a brisk pace, the lifeboats were lowered, but only three of them could be used because of mechanical problems. Though he did not utter the phrase as we know it today, it was at this point in the disaster that Salmond instituted the great maritime emergency tradition to save women and children first. His troops assisted the women and children on the sinking vessel in boarding the few available lifeboats, and all of them were rescued eventually. Most of the soldiers and sailors went down with the ship.

*The natural instinct of civilized human beings is to protect those who are more vulnerable in the face of danger. Civilized cultures have placed women on a pedestal not because they are less capable but because we honor them and hold them in a special place in our society.

Not so with radical Islamists. They treat women as chattel and they abuse children. Just as it is becoming increasingly incumbent upon the Iraqi people to take responsibility for their government and their future, it is increasingly imperative that responsible Muslims take a stand for human decency.

As al-Qaida’s prospects for military victory continue to sink in Iraq, the terrorists there have turned Salmond’s time-honored tradition of chivalry and honor on its head.

Last week, Iraqi terrorists outfitted two Muslim women with Down syndrome with IEDs and dispatched them into a busy al-Ghazi pet market in Baghdad’s Jadida section. When the women reached a location where their bomb-laden bodies would cause the greatest carnage, the IEDs were detonated remotely by a cowardly Islamic radical. Apparently, al-Qaida is running short of mentally competent volunteers who want to murder fellow Muslims in the process of becoming “martyrs” for Allah.

By NOW

February 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

The National Organization for Women (NOW) does not endorse the exploitation of developmentally disabled women as explosive devices.

NOW does recognize that the women of Iraq remain endangered by forces summoned by George W. Bush’s tragic war on that nation.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

“To Republicans: Conservatism Has Failed. Deal With It”

You guys controlled the While House and Congress for 6 years. The country saw what you want to accomplish and are experiencing the impact of your policies. And guess what? THEY THINK CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT STINKS.

Let’s start with the big one.

No one likes Iraq. Between the shifting rationale for the war, the ever-increasing cost, the continued loss of American lives and the Iraqi’s inability to form any kind of meaningful government, Iraq was a bad idea all the way around. Period. Spin it how you like, you’re going to come up with the same answer.

Terry Schiavo: This was by far the clearest indication of what the religious right will do if they attain power. And it isn’t pretty. Let’s tackle this by showing how clearly this situation violated literally every core Republican belief.

“Republicans believe in state’s right.” This situation was litigated for years at the state level, in an area of law that traditionally has happened at the state level. The religious right didn’t like the result, so they made it a federal issue.

“Republicans believe in individual rights.” Schiavo’s husband demonstrated in court that his wife wanted to die should her then current situation happen to her. That was her individual choice. A judge agreed. The religious right decided that just wasn’t good enough.

“Limited Federal Government”. The Republicans used the federal government to interject themselves into a family matter.

Katrina: This is what happens when people who don’t like government and don’t think it can work are put in charge.

The economy: The Republicans — the party of fiscal conservatism — have added an additional $3.2 trillion dollars to the federal debt. They have created an economy build on debt at the consumer level and hoped to leave office before the secret got out. Well, the secret got out and people have figured out it was a giant illusion.

Here’s the point: every policy that the Republicans have initiated has fallen apart. It doesn’t work plain and simple. The Republicans wonder why there’s an enthusiasm gap? Even Republican voters realize they’re failed. Only the hard-core 30% Republican supporters are hanging on right now. Fine — let them. It’s their choice.

Every “true conservative” Republican candidate has failed. The reason? Conservative polities don’t work. You guys are trying to sell a typewriter in a word processor world.

When Republican are in charge

— they are nothing more than power hungry spendthrifts who will add hundreds of billions to the national debt

— they will lie to go to war (despite most of you never serving in the military yourself)

— they will use the Federal government to interject themselves into personal family matters if their religious right leaders want them to.”

It goes on and on and on but you get the point.

By @@

February 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Well Howdy! I’d like to throw some support, not my vote, Ralphie’s way.

Alone, Nader still has huge name recognition and a large and faithful following. If he is joined by the larger social movements, and by the working families so threatened by the acts of a Democratic Congress and Republican president, he could turn that solid base into a powerful campaign for the people insuring that the people’s concerns are addressed. At best, that could be turned into a three way race that would for the first time in a century give the progressive left a much needed face lift, opening up the prospect of building a mass, independent political force to the left of the Democrats. Ask yourself, why do Democratic Party politicians take you for granted? Why do they count on your votes but ignore your needs? Why do they talk like they care about you but act like they care a lot more about your boss? Could it be that you are so utterly dependable to them that they simply have no need to do any more than pretend to address your interests? They make you the same promises election year after election year, yet the rich keep getting richer, the poor, poorer, and the peace, labor, woman’s, minorities’, environmental, and other people’s agendas keep getting the short shrift.

If you are able to recognize that the Democratic Party slander campaign against Ralph Nader is part and parcel with other corporate strategies, like their union busting strategy or their subtle use of racism, sexism and classism to divide us from one another, then you’ll be ready too.

Ralph definitely knows what the Democrats are about.

Go Nader!

By Carl

February 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush cost McCain the election in 2000.

George W. Bush will cost McCain the election in 2008.

Thanks to the silence of true conservatives, ‘Republican’ is now synonymous with ‘Loser.’ And if there’s one thing Americans detest more than a liberal – it’s a loser.

Game over.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

geta, you left out “the sanctity of marriage”.

When your spouse makes decisions for you, that’s okay, unless intruding on the family would bring political gain. Then, the sacred bond of marriage takes a back seat to the Florida legislature, Bill Frist’s opinion gathered by videotape, and right-wingers in search of activist judges to interpret the law to their liking. Thank goodness they ran out of them.

The Schiavo business should never, ever be forgotten.

By @@

February 9, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

This is interesting!

If there were any justice in the journalistic world, this must-read Washington Post dispatch from inside Iraq’s Sunni insurgency would be on the front page, above the fold. Instead, it’s buried on A13.

“We do not deny the difficulties we are facing right now,” said Riyadh al-Ogaidi, a senior leader, or emir, of al-Qaeda in Iraq in the Garma region of eastern Anbar province. “The Americans have not defeated us, but the turnaround of the Sunnis against us had made us lose a lot and suffer very painfully.”

Ogaidi said the total number of al-Qaeda in Iraq members across the country has plummeted from about 12,000 in June 2007 to about 3,500 today…

Look at ^^^ that Getalife…Iraqis want the freedom to smoke and drink just like you!

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Curious One,

You’re right. It is quite possible that the “stubborn” McCain would refuse to bend to the will of Congress. That is, on the off chance that the GOP regains control of Congress.

As for McCain as “stubborn”, I don’t know. His surprisingly tin ear for politics set up an opportunity for him to display, in his refusal to prioritize border security, a tendency to sheer obstinacy—-a refusal to face evidence requiring a course correction, abandonment or reversal. Stubbornness is Amundsen and Shackleford; obstinacy, Scott and McCain.

Ray,

“What planet is Cynthia Tucker living on?” Some musical friends in Athens tell me She’s from Planet AJC! Didn’t you know of Cynthia’s reknown for raising and airing and discussing and even opining about “issues” others feared discussing decades ago?

That’s her job, Ray, her honorable calling. Criticize her now, if you like, but just remember: the next time the world cries out for someone to take a stand at last on child labor or school segregation or the Crown’s tax on tea, Cynthia Tucker will be your fearless champion from Planet AJC!

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

It is, to me, quite interesting to read how our esteemed columnist, and the more rabidly illogical regulars here, now drink of the McCain Koolaid and hope not to throw up in their well used mouths.

No one with their eyes open, believes even for a moment that these most partisan and unreasonable “new” Republicans, i.e. “the base”, have yet learned even the first of many to come and ever worsening lessons.

To wit, Mr. Wooten, IF Senator McCain makes the COLOSSAL mistake of enjoing another chickenhawk/Bushbot, such as Haley Barbour for instance, the Senator from Arizona can almost assuredly say bye bye to the very people who can ensure his election.

Certainly he knows that, but will he be strong armed by the still remaining Karl Rove elements of the GOP power structure to engage in that self-destructive behavior anyway? We’ll see soon enough, won’t we?

I think JW also understands that, yet still chooses to live in an almost childish “swift boat conservative” dream world where one can continue supporting obviously failed men and their now largely repudiated agendas, hoping beyond hope, that repackaging it will fool the American electorate yet again.

I think not.

So like some sort of demented swallows returning to San Jaun Capistrano these charlatans and the “faithful” simply cannot help themselves. And therefore, inanely keep desperately trying to hang on to this incompetent and unreasonable faux conservatism as a legitimate basis for effective American political policy.

And that may ultimately be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time.

By Chip

February 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Luckoduh is a neo con scum bag…No more American tax dollars for israel…The zionist steal ten billion dollars plus from american tax payers each and every year, and when the public started to complain, arranged to hide the amount from the public..As Israeli State Secrets…The zionists in congress went along, so we taxpayers are being robbed and kept blind…

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Excellent example of the libs taking their own propaganda and running with it:

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 9:05 AM Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now? What else would you call it?}}}}

Uh, call it testing?

Test n. 1. a means of determining the presence, quality, or truth of something;

sci·ence n. 2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation

So a driver’s license test is a science, eh?

And then she proves the whole entire point of my original post:

{{{{Really, it’s disturbing to see the systematic censorship and just outright dismissal of science in the Bush administration.}}}}

Really, it’s disturbing the systematic whining that Code Pinkos saddle our government with.

{{{{During the 1970s, urea-formaldehyde foam insulation (UFFI) was used in many homes. However, few homes are now insulated with UFFI. Homes in which UFFI was installed many years ago are not likely to have high formaldehyde levels now. Pressed wood products containing formaldehyde resins are often a significant source of formaldehyde in homes. Other potential indoor sources of formaldehyde include cigarette smoke and the use of unvented, fuel-burning appliances such as gas stoves, wood-burning stoves, and kerosene heaters.}}}}

In other words, were all gonna die!

Someday.

{{{{In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure.}}}}

{{{{When formaldehyde is present in the air at levels exceeding 0.1 ppm, individuals may experience health effects such as watery eyes; burning sensations of the eyes, nose, and throat; coughing; wheezing; nausea; and skin irritation.}}}}

Yo, if you eyes starts to water, get out, duh.

Don’t just sit there for twenty years, geez.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Iraqis want the freedom to smoke and drink just like you!

Yes, for the men. If you’re a woman, forget it, along with driving, working, or showing your ankle without being beaten to death.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl,

It would seem that our friends on the right would be humbled by their party’s failures but they do not care about our country and want to stay the course with McInsane to finish off our country.

Then they spew they are patriots but nothing could further from the truth. They are gop loyalists, no matter what their party does to destroy our country.

By Chip

February 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Lies and Liars led to this disaster in the financial markets, the same old story under a new cover. Will no one hold the speculators who lied on their loan applications responsible? These liars should not get any kind of rebate - Do you remember the story about the Long Island cocktail parties in which hundreds of spec homes were “sold” to long island investors who swore on loan applications that they were buying the houses to live in? They put nothing down, the builder handled all expenses, and when the house was completed in 12 to 24 months, the liar house owner was guaranteed 30 to 60 thousand dollars profit. Some of the Long Island Liars filed papers for ten or more of these to be Owner Occuppied houses. Now the houses cannot be sold, so the Liars are trying to walk away, scot free..HOLD THEM FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DEBTS ON THESE OTHERWISE NON RECOURSE LOANS, THEY COMMITTED FRAUD AND ARE TRYING TO STICK YOU AND ME WITH THE BILL. Attach their assets, including any and all pensions: if they do not agree, file criminal fraud charges, and put them in prison, with the other liars…

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

I am SO glad you’re back. You bring fresh perspective 9x/10.

A note about this muddying of the gold waters of “conservatism”, these proliferating modifiers of that referent. Right now McCain, with his surreal “moderate conservative” moniker (that alone would have elicited a great witty gust from Goldwater) is the champion of illicit sludge dumping. And I think I understand why you imply that the Swifties formerly held the Title.

But the “Swift Boat conservatives”, as you call them, were just plain conservatives (including some Dem ones), for better or ill. (And McCain was not one of the Dem ones.) The characters you call out by name, running from JM to JW, are something else.

Maybe what we’re seeing is a merging of McCain’s notional “moderate conservatism” with Wooten’s notional “common sense conservatism”. Sounds like Pragmatism, does it not?

It isn’t. It’s something else.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife February 9, 2008 9:22 AM duh, This is what happening to the women in Iraq nut job: BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — The images in the Basra police file are nauseating: Page after page of women killed in brutal fashion — some strangled to death, their faces disfigured; others beheaded. All bear signs of torture.}}}}

al-Gitmo: You could say the exact same thing about any part of the world where these Islamic religious as-sholes are en masse:

{{{{Massacre in Mazar-I-Sharif — In August 1998, the Taliban captured Mazar-I-Sharif. There were reports that between 2,000 and 5,000 men, women and children — mostly ethnic Hazara civilians — were massacred by the Taliban after the takeover of Mazar-I-Sharif. During the massacre, the Taliban forces carried out a systematic search for male members for the ethnic Hazara, Tajik, and Uzbek communities in the city. Human Rights Watch estimates that scores, perhaps hundreds, of Hazara men and boys were summarily executed. There were also reports that women and girls were raped and abducted during the Taliban takeover of the city.}}}}

Gee, I don’t remember the U.S. being in Afghanistan in 1998, hmmmm.

Maybe the Taliban knew we were going to invade them, you think?

Look, al-Gitmo, you are an al Qaeda toady, fighting against the United States and the cause of good in the world, and I’m not.

That’s all we really need to know, O.K?

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Chip,

As you probably know, this all happened before, in the mid- to late-’80s, when the country, especially the Southwest, was awash with S&L funny-money. At some point the government has to consider picking up the tab, and that consideration is under way in DC.

In the last “scandal” (which actually was a fairly vast macroeconomic phenom with lasting repercussions), the government paid the cost of punishment, but did not foot the bill for the fallout. So I agree with you that this ball is definitely one to keep an eye on, as it could go either way, and we very well could get stuck with the bill, as you say.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Roadside blasts kill 5 U.S. soldiers in Iraq

Cheer that on duh.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife February 9, 2008 9:47 AM “To Republicans: Conservatism Has Failed. Deal With It” Terry Schiavo, blah, blah, blah.}}}}

Yeah, run on Terry Schiavo, please.

{{{{KKKlinton Won’t Fight Gay Marriage}}}}

{{{{Obama said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.}}}}

We got our campaign issues too, babe.

Hehehehehehe.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

It would seem that our friends on the right would be humbled by their party’s failures but…

I too have noted that there is virtually no remorse on the part of those “leaders” who have “led” the nation these past years. Just more pigheaded intransigence.

Many just slink off, out of public life and occasionally show up on ridiculous “news” shows like BOR, H&C, etc trying to “explain” (justify) why they accomplished so very little of note and so much infamy.

And there is simply no hope, NONE, for their willfully blind supporters, who amazingly to this day, still cling to this deluded “conservative” mythology of a political flat earth where the sun’s wobbles and evil liberals explain all of the problems.

The upcoming bloodbath is of their own making, and like joyous spectators at the Coliseum watching the Christians getting eaten by the lions, it is good entertainment.

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

And Chip,

Luckoduh may be a scumbag, but (a) he’s definitely my kind of scumbag, and (b) we’re not neoconservatives. There are such persons, but we are not among them.

We’re just plain generic conservatives—-of the scumbag variety, of course.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

The CDC guy wasn’t crunched for test results, he was crunched for wanting to look at long term exposure. here’s the sentence from the article in your beloved urinal, luck: “FEMA wanted ATSDR to look only at the health effects of short-term formaldehyde exposure”

Nobody was arguing about tests, they were arguing about studies on the effects on health. Studies, as in systematic knowledge gained through observation and experimentation. I’m not sure how you boiled that down to a few tests, I just figured you were mangling words, not completely changing the subject of the article.

I agree with the get the h3ll out of the trailer theory. You most likely include that because if you don’t like the scientific conclusion, it’s time to start complaining about Katrina leeches. However, I’m not sure that staying in a FEMA trailer for more than two weeks categorizes you as a leech.

I proved your point about what by noting this is a pattern with the Bush administration? Here’s a long list of pointy-heads who agree.

I look forward to your next non-responsive response, complete with words like “pinko” but sadly lacking in any logical thought. You’re one of those loyalists described so aptly by getalife. Y’all are so predictable

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Glenn,

At least you are honest.

Will duh admit to being a scumbag too?

I mean, it is very obvious.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Glenn, good to see you again. And thanks for welcoming me back to the fray!

I think, you sir, have hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head.

Pragmatism, or the obvious lack thereof, is what is costing this GOP so very dearly. And it is now exceptionally clear that the party is like an enormous Titanic with a unobservant captain and too big and too damned slow (to learn) to avoid disaster.

For example, the more recent and gigantic issue causing the supposed conservatives to absolutely detest McCain, was regarding illegal immigration, yes?

I did not study it very closely and am somewhat hesitant to stick my foot in my gaping mouth more than necessary on this topic, but what the heck, here goes!

The President for one of the very few times in his two terms supported a measure that, to me, seemed at least partially PRAGMATIC.

Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives among others want to deport 20 million people. ROUND ‘EM UP NOW! They know they can’t, (for a whole raft of reasons) so rather than come up with ANY palatable alternative, they resort to what they do best - LIE.

Repeat along with me - amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.

It works when your constituency is hyper-intolerant and hyper-intransigent. And most significantly when they are “principled” at all costs to the ill benefit of any and everybody but themselves.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 10:50 AM The CDC guy wasn’t crunched for test results, he was crunched for wanting to look at long term exposure. here’s the sentence from the article in your beloved urinal, luck: “FEMA wanted ATSDR to look only at the health effects of short-term formaldehyde exposure”}}}}

Uh, we’re talking about temporary trailers for Katrina victims, aren’t we?

And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too?

Look, you libs are political shysters and junk science kangaroo court mongers on a witch hunt for the Bush administration.

Have you not gotten the memo?

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of false accusations, not the first one ever being proven true.

It’s either ignorance or willful fraudulent wasting of federal funding that you demokrats continue to pursue these silly as-s accusations.

Which one is it?

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too?

Sure. But if you find there are no short-term exposure dangers, it doesn’t follow that there are no long term dangers. In this case, long term meaning more than two weeks. De Rosa wanted to look beyond two weeks. Uh, you are talking about the same article, yes? You don’t sound like you have the slightest clue what was contained therein.

If you want silly, look what your tax dollars were spent teaching—Bush approved junk science

This is why Glenn and AmVet seem to be bemoaning the absence of pragmatism among conservatives. Many of these people, in the words of a great science show “reject your reality, and substitute their own!” When you think reality will adjust itself to your world view, logic goes out the window. As in your case. One of the side effects seems to be odd uses of punctuation, like using parentheses in place of quotation marks. Maybe I can get a CDC grant to study that question.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

It will take a Dem President to unblock all the reports, investigations and crimes committed under this criminal administration.

Then they will undo all w’s policies back to the Clinton policies.

Most Americans are not informed and will be shocked by this blatant lawlessness and corporatism.

It will be a reckoning and long overdue.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl, many months ago, I thought it plausible that the extremely irrational ideas posited by the regular “conservatives” here might just be indicative of a much larger mentality.

Perhaps, that was at least partially true then.

But I think not now, excluding perhaps those here in the Moron Belt.

No matter the passionate protests that the deluded, unqualified and ignorant here convey, they are howling in the wind, more or less alone now. That so many of their “brethren” (even that delightful Mr. Robertson) have finally given up the charade of ignorantly playing the scientific devil’s advocate makes the howling that much more fierce.

Fortunately I suspected from the very beginning that their transparent excuses and nonsense were going to be summarily squashed. And unequivocally, it has been…

By Ron

February 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if John McCain were elected President and exercised a veto against his own party.

By Craig

February 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

I think with Jim’s column you begin to see the basis for the Republican campaign this year. “Fear! Boogeymen! Be Afraid!”

But I don’t think it will work this time like it did in 2004. Except for the proud 30% who blindly support Bush, most Americans can see the abject failure of “conservative” government.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

I suspected from the very beginning that their transparent excuses and nonsense were going to be summarily squashed.

Ah, but not soon enough for the Republican party. Witness the recent debacle over the immigration bill, which brought mindless cries of “amnesty!” It’s still a bleat of the sheep, which will sink McCain’s run for the presidency.

You’ll still hear from the Luckoduhs, who brand McCain a liberal, as they have no ground between. Years ago, I called myself a Republican conservative, but not for a long time. And Zell questions why the Democrats left him. My question, when did the Republicans leave me?

Speaking of Zell, he offers a good picture of how the Republican “base”—and as such, the party—has abandoned logic and common sense. A year or two back, Zell asserted that without abortion, we’d have 40 million more babies to fight wars and pay social security, so the current problems in both could be blamed on abortion The laughs were deafening. Now, DeLay is regurgitating the same garbage, to young impressionable Republicans

I have little respect for those who attempt to validate questionable assumptions by simply repeating them over and over.

By Political Foreskin

February 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

I detect a note of poignancy in Wooten’s adumbration today. If any of you uber-pudwits had read it, you would have noticed a certain sadness, a rueful rambling rare for Mr. Wooten. He quotes Rodney. Why? Because it rhymes with Romney? I’m a little concerned for our dearest letterer. Perhaps a colonic….duhng, you usually have something prepared….

You GOP haters have had seven years to capture OBL, but somehow, I dont think that is the source of Wooten’s discouragement.

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

What did Bush ever do to counter Hugo Chavez? Please.

Nonsense, Wooten. You write nonsense. You cant even define your own conservativism.

McCain set fire to an aircraft carrier in Vietnam. He is likely to set fire to the country with ill-conceived foreign diplomacy shenanigans made in the name of supporting the troops, (whatever that means). The biggest danger facing any country is nationalism, jingoism, and the theo-military hotheads who lobby for their imaginary causes.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in ‘98.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Shuster got suspended for his “pimping” comment but

McInsane got swiftboated

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, I’ve been thinking about how many who have considered themselves life-long Republicans have abandoned the GOP under this wretched administration’s watch. Hundred of thousands? Millions?

ALL of us have read some anecdotal evidence and the numbers clearly indicate that this phony conservatism will not stand the test of time, or the patience of the less than most extreme and partisan Republicans.

As for my observation that you quoted, I should have said that this is in regards to this one, but major moronic position of theirs - man induced global warming is a fabricated liberal hoax designed to destroy the economy of the United States.

This single issue, as much as any other, has positively repulsed the common man and even causal adherent of reason and ration. Who now will not, and may never again, trust these fools with the future of their children and this planet.

By deegee

February 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

What would be wrong with the present governor of Florida, Charlie Crist? Unfortunately for Jeb, he has to live with the consequences of what his idiot brother has done over the last 7 years. The sight of the name Bush on a ballot will induce a gag reflex in approximately 75% of the electorate for the next 30 years at least. If you have any doubt, count how many times that political candidates hearken back to the Bush years, and the number of times they skip both Bush presidents and settle on Reagan.

What else could Mitt say? My wife told me that it’s time to stop whizzing money against the wall and to go get a real job? Come on, what sounds better, I’m patriotic or I’m pantywhipped?

Robert Gates is on a diplomatic mission in Europe right now. He’s trying to keep whatever waning European support we have in Afghanistan and Iraq. The key to success in Afghanistan and Iraq is multinational support. We aren’t getting out of Iraq anytime soon regardless of who wins in November. We have to consider which candidate is most likely to garner European support for fighting terrorism. Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney blew it with their bullheaded insistence that they knew better than the leaders of countries that have been fighting terrorism for decades. If we elect a “More of the Same” president we are doomed to spend the next 4 years alone in Iraq, waging a war with guns and tanks. A war that our military have already said will not be won with guns and tanks.

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Craig, Jim’s saying that Polyanna’s are to be feared, and in a horrifically dangerous world they surely are. Saying as much cannot have been what illicited fear, so I conclude that it must have been his allusion to the possibility of a McCain Administration ginning up the draft again.

The draft, and even the prospect of a Selective Service System which could lead to one’s being drafted—-so, the prospect of a draft for a draft that could get you drafted—-has proved such a powerful motive element in the Democratic Party that it can even transform that party by causing it to restructure itself with that single issue as its point of focus.

I well remember when the Year 1973 dawned draft-free. For the first time in 35 years, young men no longer were “vulnerable” in that way. The end of conscription sucked the air right out of the anti-war movement, leaving a conspicuous vacuity, in both senses. The protests went on for a time—-silly exercises in what was already, by then, movement nostalgia—-and then they ceased, and a period of great apathetic frivolity and sheer play began. Whitebread Disco dawned, and Pet Rocks and Streaking and the Battle of the Sexes on a tennis court in Las Vegas.

While the country began a new sis-boom-bah phase of Lindy Hopping and flagpole-sitting and goldfish swallowing, meanwhile Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger dropped more megatonnage on Southeast Asia in the Month of May alone than was dropped by all the Allies throughout the European Theatre in all of World War II. Earlier, the news of the secret bombing of Cambodia had caused a near-revolution in this country.

But this last, great, desperately criminal bombing campaign?

Well, the important thing to Democrats was that they were no longer afraid. No draft, why worry?

P.S. Laos did not figure much in these particular events as received on the home front, but it wasn’t spared. It could not have been wiped off the map more thoroughly had the entire sovereign nation been irradiated with Hydrogen bombing.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Remember, AmVet, the GOP abandoned them, not the other way around. Sadly enough, they have not questioned those who call themselves conservatives, just rooting for anyone who appropriates the label. The people who voted for Bush in 2004 on the idea he was “conservative” were lazy, gullible, or both.

Now we see the aftermath of the GOP infiltration of Ralph Reed-types. The social conservatives are still squalling to control the party. These are the people that I’d say are the unrealistic dangerous wing. Not only do they have quixotic ends, they are great believers in the ends justifying the means. Denying possiblility of humans contributing to global warming is but one of the symptoms.

Meanwhile, sane conservatives are trying wrest control back from these wingnuts. It will take decades for the GOP to reinvent itself, as the Pat Robertsons simply die off. This isn’t going to be pretty.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 11:23 AM And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too? Sure. But if you find there are no short-term exposure dangers, it doesn’t follow that there are no long term dangers. In this case, long term meaning more than two weeks. De Rosa wanted to look beyond two weeks. Uh, you are talking about the same article, yes? You don’t sound like you have the slightest clue what was contained therein.}}}}

Let’s try this again real slow:

{{{{At issue is whether the agency intentionally delayed or avoided examining the long-term cancer threat posed by formaldehyde fumes in trailers purchased by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house victims of the August 2005 hurricane. FEMA initially said air quality in the trailers was safe if they were properly ventilated.}}}}

Upon which, first thing this morning I remarked that this has absolutely nothing to do with science, it is simply testing for a known quantity and in fact the word science was being used to sensationalize a politically biased headline.

My, how quickly we’ve moved on and are now arguing the merits of a freaking case that has no basis to begin with, and will never be argued past the pages of the demokrat socialist rags.

Look, everybody, I’m a scientist now: {{{{In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure.}}}}

I deduce, using my vast years of “scientific” study, that if there are no unusually high short term exposure then there are also no long term exposure risks, when do I get my government grant?

Aquagirl: Does it not concern you that these wild baseless accusations against the Bush administration result in nothing but sensational headlines and ninny pleasing sound bites?

Are demokrats particularly ineffective house managers that do not know how to proceed in the face of such “overwhelming” evidence against Bushie?

Did they simply forget to file charges against the accused?

Or is this just another government tax dollar wasting show trial?<————!

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Ah, Zionists Behind Every Bush again, PoFo. Ah yes, those Levantines and their Jewannabes and their “imaginary” causes such as survival…

Of course Jim has defined his conservatism. It is common sense conservatism wedded sensibly to the moderating influences of moderate conservatism. How common can one be?

By @@

February 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

AmVet @ 11:01:

It’s rather biased of you to say that it’s only neo-cons who opposed Bush’s amnesty for illegals.

Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives among others want to deport 20 million people. ROUND ‘EM UP NOW! They know they can’t, (for a whole raft of reasons) so rather than come up with ANY palatable alternative, they resort to what they do best - LIE.

Pundits say the Democratic senator from New York is using this hot-button issue to position herself for the 2008 presidential election. It’s a way to hit Republicans from the right. Polls show huge majorities of both Republicans and Democrats oppose illegal immigration - and are frustrated that President Bush won’t do a thing to stop it.

So Bush responds to the American people by holding employers accountable for hiring illegals.

Enter Bennie Thompson (D) who initially blames illegal immigration on employers who hire them. Then Bennie makes an about face:

A Mississippi Democrat in line to become chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee has warned the nation’s largest uniform supplier it faces criminal charges if it follows a White House proposal to recheck workers with mismatched Social Security numbers and fire those who cannot resolve the discrepancy in 60 days.

Rep. Bennie Thompson said in a letter to Cintas Corp. it could be charged with “illegal activities in violation of state and federal law” if any of its 32,000 employees are terminated because they gave incorrect Social Security numbers to be hired.

Need I remind you that there was a time when you touted Sam Brownback as a worthy conservative. Sam Brownback endorses John McCain. Your second choice was Duncan Hunter who now endorses Mike Huckabee. Heck, you even held great respect for John McCain.

Now you want to chastise conservatives for changing our minds?

Give me a break.

Why don’t you vote for Ralph Nader and be done with the us and them.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

@@, as you know, normally I’m not inclined to engage you, usually for your pronounced proclivity to play fast and loose with the truth (I’ll demonstrate this momentarily). But in the spirit of accommodation, and the impending “new” Republican collapse, here goes.

I said: Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives AMONG OTHERS want to deport 20 million people.

Your reply?: It’s rather biased of you to say that it’s ONLY neo-cons who opposed Bush’s amnesty for illegals.

Further I said Repeat along with me - amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.

And you, in good neo-con standing, chose that very word rather than tell the truth about the facts of that multi-faceted proposal, which was not amnestic.

Why do these faux conservatives insist on this dumbing down of complicated ideas to moronically simple phrases? And why do their parsing charades cloaked as debate still continue?

And are you hung over when you stupidly claim I was an even remote fan of those ridiculous candidates Brownback and Hunter??!! Or am I misreading your enigmatic post?

I disagree with McCain on the war and several other issues, but I have stated from the start he is the ONLY GOP candidate with ANY honor and credibility. Chickenhawks, religious power brokers and voodooo economists/economic conservatives notwithstanding.

And in case you haven’t noticed, apparently much of the rest of the American electorate, and it’s growing every week, agrees with that sentiment. As you may not, you can go vote for Hillary soon.

And if Nader runs, that would be great by me. Watching him again take on the corporate wh0res, the scandal ridden hypocrites and the incompetent posers, both left and right, is always great to watch.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh, considering your lack of knowledge about basic science, I’m going to post about this one more time. You could actually believe what you’re saying. I highly doubt it.

Here is what all the fuss is about:

“At issue is whether the agency intentionally delayed or avoided examining the long-term cancer threat posed by formaldehyde fumes in trailers purchased by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house victims of the August 2005 hurricane. FEMA initially said air quality in the trailers was safe if they were properly ventilated.”

The article deals with the CDC guy, and whether he was dismissed because he questioned the validity of asserting the idea that living in the trailers was safe. If people were living in them for more than two weeks, that was different case than living in them for two months. Nowhere does it talk about disputing specific levels, only how to answer the question “will you get sick if you live in one of these trailers?” Duh.

Now, if you actually believe you can conclude:

“if there are no unusually high short term exposure then there are also no long term exposure risks”,

you can’t get a government grant. You can’t even get a passing grade in biology. Anyone who has ever been involved in teaching you science should be ashamed they were connected to such a dummy.

The reason these charges have resulted in little more than sound bites is because 1) Bush appointees blatantly ignore science. If they’re in charge of a department, their word is the last, and 2) there are enough stupid people like you who don’t have even the faintest grasp of science, and are inordinately proud of the fact.

They’re legion in the Republican ranks. No one has been asking Democratic presidential candidates if they believe in evolution. They don’t subscribe to the idiocy of the Republican unwashed.

Charges the Bush administration twists and ignores valid scientific conclusions is fully supported. It’s not like the first time he’s done this coughIraqcough.

Since your main defense is to keep squawking “lib liars!Lib liars!” over and over, I’ll leave this discussion, as it has no further merit.

I will, however, leave you with a clever periodic table made by some of those wild-eyed liberal scientists. It’s a good idea of what’s happened under the Bush administration

So, continue to foam at the mouth on this subject, if you wish. I’ve made my valid points for the sane people reading these posts, your rabid conclusions are free for others to read and draw their own conclusions.

By RealRep

February 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

If there is one thing we’ve seen in the drop-outs of Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney, it’s that the American people can smell a rat. Each of those ineffective campaigns demonstrated the candidates inability to understand the people.

As John and I were the only real conservatives to begin with, it’s only fitting that we are the last two standing.

The question now is one of Presidential fitness. The American people know the answer.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By catlady

February 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

So like some sort of demented swallows returning to San Jaun Capistrano these charlatans and the “faithful” simply cannot help themselves.

Amvet, that was poetry!

By deegee

February 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Link to this

The republicans are floating this campaign soundbite, “Before you vote imagine who our enemies would fear the most.” I think that we would be smart to consider who our allies would fear the most and stay away from that individual. Our enemies already know that we are sapped out in terms of military strength, we don’t have the stomach for a draft, and we aren’t going to drop any nukes in the middle east. We can’t go this fight alone for much longer. A unified Western front would probably instill more fear in our enemies than a figurehead president that is bound by congress. Who would be most likely to instill confidence in the mind of our allies in the fight against terrorism?

By BiteMeBigots

February 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

All I have to say today is Cynthia Tucker…YOU GO GIRL! Si Se Puede!

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Link to this

O.K., o.k. I yield the floor to the “experts:”

{{{{The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present.-1999, uh, that would be the KKKlinton}}}}

{{{{The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has set a permissible exposure limit for formaldehyde of 0.75 parts per million (ppm) for an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek.}}}}

{{{{Some studies of people exposed to formaldehyde in workplace air found more cases of cancer of the nose and throat than expected, but other studies did not confirm this finding.}}}}

{{{{In animal studies, rats exposed to high levels of formaldehyde in air developed nose cancer. The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has determined that formaldehyde may reasonably be anticipated to be a carcinogen.}}}}

So check this out, the guy from the CDC is basing his findings on legal standards set forth by the KKKlinton Administration and now all of a sudden, this is not good enough any more.

He found low levels of formaldehyde and rightfully assumed based on scientific studies done by the KKKLintons, that there was no long term exposure, this cannot be any more simpler to understand.

Should we totally disregard all other findings all through world history concerning hazards to our health and declare that everything now poses some kind of danger?

I thought the science was settled already?

Does this mean we can reexamine the findings about “global warming?”

What else would you expect from liberals that are too stupid to understand that the very first building blocks in life had to be created and that we are not just some animated piece of meat, would “create” a gigantic and useless government that spends all of it’s time holding politically motivated show trials?

Is it any wonder with liberals setting the curriculum in public schools that our children are so stupid? That we rank below some third world countries in educational standards?

You listen to people like this Aquagirl not moving the nation forward but instead backwards to mindlessly argue over something that has already been determined, and you have to wonder what they mean by “change.”

I tell you what AG, let’s just see how far they take this little kangaroo court, if this guy was willfully endangering the inhabitants of these trailers then we should be seeing some charges brought against him some time in the future, right?

Matter of fact, in the mean time, while we wait for you world class lawmakers to prepare your “case,” how about if we open a parallel investigation to see if any witnesses have been coerced into making false and damaging statements.

That’s a fairly common demokrat tactic.

And one more thing before I go, google this mindless article, “formaldehyde cdc science” and make note that no serious news organizations are even bothering to report this “horror,” nope, it’s just Clinton News Network and the AJC.

Who needs anymore proof than that?

By RW-(the original)

February 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

Every election since I started paying attention in the 1970’s I’ve heard that if you vote for the Republican old folks will be kicked out onto the streets penniless, children will no longer get an education, blacks would have water hoses turned on them (just like the Democrats used to do to them in days past), women would lose the right to vote, the world would hate us, back alley abortions would be the norm, the environment would be destroyed, our water sources would all be poisoned, people would be forced to work for slave wages etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Now the Democrats have the audacity to say the Republicans are running a campaign of fear. Priceless!

By getalife

February 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Link to this

“The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine,” Cochran said about McCain by phone. “He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”

And

“In January 1995, McCain was midway through an opening statement at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing when chairman Strom Thurmond asked, ‘Is the senator about through?’ McCain glared at Thurmond, thanked him for his ‘courtesy’ (translation: buzz off), and continued on. McCain later confronted Thurmond on the Senate floor. A scuffle ensued, and the two didn’t part friends.” (Harry Jaffe, “Senator Hothead,” The Washingtonian, 2/97)”

Lets face it, the man was tortured for a long time and his sanity is in question.

Lets not elect another lunatic, learn from the w disaster.

By catlady

February 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

What else would you expect from liberals that are too stupid to understand that the very first building blocks in life had to be created and that we are not just some animated piece of meat

Well, actually, “Lucky”, some of us ARE. (No ability to think independently.

By SDiegoNavypride

February 9, 2008 2:27 PM | Link to this

The conservative argument for “war on terror” while full of its own great intentions lacks the visionary to implement it for long term success. Do you seriously think our economy can wage a war that costs approach around 500 billion per year, for an entire generation or more. If you do, then you are endangering MY security, as well as yours. Democrats will choose an individual who attacks terrorism diplomaticaly and economoically as much as militarily. It is this mindset that future generations mudt try to see the world, and it can start this year by supporting “Change we can believe in”.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 2:41 PM | Link to this

catlady, you are too kind! Thank you!

RealRep, interesting analysis, but I see it differently. The longer Huckabee remains in the race the more difficult it will be for the soon to be disenchanted “faithful” to stay involved once he is eliminated. And that is almost a mathematical certainty.

His “principled” stubbornness exemplifies how the GOP is undeniably heavily fractured into camps that somehow don’t seem to fit under that oddly misnamed “big tent”.

But I fully support his ongoing efforts, as he does help clarify the differences within the Republican Party, that up until recently were not allowed by this imperious President.

That only Sen. McCain, Cong. Paul and the liberal-conservative ex-preacher remain is extremely telling about the enormous trouble this Republican ideology is in, though, isn’t it?

By Dusty

February 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Well,

about this formaldehyde thing, at least we know why RedNeck Convert is one big undercover phony country boy. According to what he says, he’s been breathing trailer formaldehyde for years. Oh well, maybe beer offsets some of the maladies.

Jim Wooten wrote a great editorial today. I enjoyed every word of it. LuckoDuh followed with some good points and he explained every one. Liberals followed with their exceptional ability to lie, change, undermine and propagandize the President and now McCain. There must be a common information center for liberals because most of them sound just alike. There are no surprises. You know what they are going to say.

Glenn knows a good conservative when he sees one. I might disagree with him on veteran healthcare. If you believe everything Jackie says you probably think all vets are homeless, sick and running wild without care. That is not a true picture. No mention is made of continued efforts to improve healthcare for our veterans or the fact that many vets had rather take care of their own needs. Outlandish accusations on Vets is just one more lib way to hate Bush. A new venue is needed for liberal frustration and it should not be McCain.

By Craig

February 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Glenn your 12:28 is a great argument - only problem is your initial premise seems WAY off base to me. The repubs want us to fear all those “others” out there - whether they are terrorists, illegal immigrants, HOllywood producers, whoever. The proper response is not fear, but strength, and intelligent defense. McCain, with his 100 year Iraq war and ‘bomb bomb bomb Iran’ comments, shows neither strength nor intelligence.

And for what it’s worth, by all means, if we’re going to fight a war we should have a draft. That way the burden won’t fall only on a limited few, but would also affect the children of the chickenhawk elite - Hannity, Limbaugh, Boortz, and all the rest.

By NoToMcCain

February 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

So, McCain’s “Life Experience” gives him credence, eh? Rather than remain a robot believing the old fart’s “war hero” BS, take time to delve into it. He is more a phony than Kerry (I was in Viet Nam, don’t you know) and will lose worse than Dole. It isn’t his treachery during his years since release from POW status, it is his traitorous collusion with his captors DURING captivity that dis-qualify him from being anything, much less a human being.

Take the time to do the research and uncover the facts, the rest of media, like the Traitor Kerry and the murderer “the swimmer” Ted Kennedy can’t be bothered with examing their “heros”.

Now, with Romney out, McPain is a “done deal”. Only Rudy could have beaten the Beast which is why the drooling media and the convoluted RNC rules have made/engineered McCain another loser for the pubs ala Bob Dole. We, the people have no say in the matter as we are left to choose between candidates “selected” by the power brokers and the Clintoons.

We are at a critical juncture in our history.

The dims are well on their chosen path of chaos and destruction of our country. The powerful media is hell bent to coronate the Beast and there are too many “sheeple” to even know the difference. Bubba and the Beast know this and ARE counting on the “useful idiots”.

Now that the media and the whimps at the RNC have paved the way for the old fart—-that should be an absolute red flag to all thinking persons who do not allow the media to do their thinking for them.

Why McPain? Because the Clintoons and the media WANT him knowing full well he is not only beatable, but will make Bob Dole look like a winner.

And you must ask yourself: Why all this PC nonsense over McPain’s “war record”——usually couched in terms like, “ I respect his war record, but…”

The question must be asked: WHAT WAR RECORD?? All the clown ever did was crash a multi-million dollar jet and cozy up a little too much to his captors as a POW. (Yes, there are plenty of fellow POW’s who KNOW this to be true).

So let’s get off this phony “war hero” crap, he is nothing of the such any more than he is a pubbie, a maverick or any of their other feeble attempts to define him. He seriously considered being the traitor Kerry’s running mate. (oh, just in case you didn’t know, Kerry was in Viet Nam and he has the home movies to prove it) McPain dumped his wife as his “hero” Kerry did. McPain will do whatever is in his best interest every time, full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes, only in this case, it is damn the American public to achieve his rightful place as CIC.

The Traitor Kerry (I was in Viet Nam, don’t you know?) has his medical and discharge records sealed from inspection, so he is free to claim whatever and the drooling media buy it hook, line & sinker.

UNBELIEVEABLY, SO DOES MCCAIN. HIS RECORDS ARE SEALED AND HE HAS FOUGHT TO KEEP ANYTHING ABOUT HIS WAR RECORD, TAPES HE MADE ON BEHALF OF THE ENEMY, AND HIS EFFORTS TO SHUT DOWN THE POW ISSUE SEALED FOREVER. www.againstmccain

As much as the Beast believes the WH is her rightful possession, McPain believes it as much and pubbies deliver the WH back to the Clintoons by wasting a vote on this fraud, McPain

Be sure and read the FACTS about the “war hero” John McCain, it is long but needs to be out there and discussed. Someone needs to ask him about this just like someone needs to grill the Beast about Bubba in the White House, and much more than just controlling the pervert, but her role in covering for him and her destruction of any who attempted to cross this evil duo.

www.againstmccain

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3068/2/

At this juncture, sadly, it is probably best to have McPain destroyed by the dims (at least he will get his long deserved “come-uppance” but that is not to excuse the death and sorrow he caused as a POW. Like Kerry, the question must be asked,—- how many died BECAUSE of their cowardness and collusion? Both are traitors and should be prosecuted for Treason, only the weak-willed Bush (thank God we are just about rid of him) and pubs have tried to look the other way. As Reagan said about the dims, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, it left me”. Same can be said about this sorry excuse we have at the RNC.

By @@

February 9, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

AmVet @ 1:23:

You don’t engage me because I’m “fast and loose”? Puhleeze…you don’t engage me because you know I’ve kept tabs on you and your past posts regardless of what name you post under HUGE blowhard.

You’re support of Duncan Hunter came about in a conversation with Paul at ml’s. You’re a big advocate of Presidents with military service and Duncan Hunter had that experience.

You would have us believe that your vast knowledge and hindsight renders you all knowing. Let’s check out your expertise on the candidates shall we?

By AmVet October 18, 2007 1:23 PM

Paul, Kucinich, Obama and perhaps Richardson were the only candidates I’m aware of who were against this thing from the start.

*And other than Barack, there are not a lot of viable options there, though IMHO Richardson would be a great choice.

Ron Paul is an isolationist, and would never, under any circumstances, opt to protect this country from outside invaders.

Kucinich has been visited by extra-terrestrials from outer space for crying out loud.

Barack Obama had yet to set foot on the Senate floor to vote on the Iraq Resolution. He’s also been quoted as saying he doesn’t know how he would have voted had he been present.

Then there’s Bill Richardson after the fact:

Q: If US troops left, wouldn’t it worsen the situation in Iraq?

A: No. Because our troops are targets. And you cannot start reconciliation, you cannot start unifying the region until everyone believes that the American military presence is going to go. Like Yitzhak Rabin said, you don’t make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies. It means talking to Iran, it means talking to Syria, getting an all-Muslim peacekeeping force—Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia—to be part of an all-Muslim effort that secures Iraq.

Q: But no residual force?

A: I would have troops where they’re wanted, in our bases in Kuwait. I would have a contingency in case of an international terrorist attack. Our involvement in Iraq has led us to fail to focus on the true threat, al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Q: So you regret supporting the war initially?

A: Yes, I do. It was a mistake

Q: But you said you knew more about the region than anybody else.

A: Well, yeah. But it was a mistake. I openly state that.

So Bill Richardson, after having voted for the invasion, would opt to leave the Iraqi people to suffer the consequences of his mistake.

Not too honorable in my opinion, but then neither are you. By the way…

It means talking to Iran, it means talking to Syria, getting an all-Muslim peacekeeping force—Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia—to be part of an all-Muslim effort that secures Iraq.

Bush has been doing ^^^ that.

With the exception of Iran and Syria, he’s been successful. Based on what I’ve been reading, he’s had some success with Syria and now Iran is willing to talk.

Just like all liberals, lack of patience is your problem—afraid the Iraqis may get something to which you feel solely entitled.

Take your freedom AmVet…vote for Nader and see what it gets you.

By Dusty

February 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Craig @2:44

Your reasons for having a draft are so simplistic. You want a draft because the children of people who make more money than you should have to be in the military.

There are two things wrong with that line of thought.

First, those of lower economic levels will be drafted just like those from richer families. We now have a volunteer system by which we have a military that wanted to join the armed forces, for whatever reason.

Second, there are families of what you consider “the chickenhawk elite” whose children are in the military. I can think of several professionals right now who have some of their family in the armed forces. Sen. Biden is one of them. Our own jbmlaw has one. My minister(a Doctor of Divinity) has two.(Doesn’t amvet have one?) There are persons from all walks of life that wish to protect this country. Let them choose. Keep your prejudice out of it.

By D.A. King

February 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Link to this

Scr%w Cynthia Tucker. That Mexican loving bitc$ doesn’t realize that these damn undocumented immigrants are not here to mow your lawn - they’re here to blow up your buildings and kill your children, and you, and me.

By Dusty

February 9, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

ALERT ALERT Democratic propaganda @ 3:02

Read at your own risk. It is the start of the “Hate McCain Movement” by the former hate-Bush bubbleheads.

By Jackie

February 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

Another example of the duplicity Dubya exhibits concerning “support of the troops.”

“President Bush drew great applause during his State of the Union address last month when he called on Congress to allow U.S. troops to transfer their unused education benefits to family members. “Our military families serve our nation, they inspire our nation, and tonight our nation honors them,” he said. A week later, however, when Bush submitted his $3.1 trillion federal budget to Congress, he included no funding for such an initiative, which government analysts calculate could cost $1 billion to $2 billion annually. Bush’s proposal was added to the speech late in the process, administration officials said, after the president decided that he wanted to announce a program that would favor military families. That left little time to vet the idea, develop formal cost estimates or gauge how many people might take advantage of such a program. Some administration officials said the proposal surprised them, and they voiced concerns about how to fund it.”

By getalife

February 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

gomer wins Kansas.

Shazam.

By TW

February 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Ah, what a wonderful example of a new age Republican you are, Mr D.A. King. Love your honesty…factually nowhere, but at least you don’t try to hide your ingnorance behind the economy.

By @@

February 9, 2008 3:24 PM | Link to this

also AmVet….

I noticed that you gave Bennie Thompson (D) a pass on his hypocrisy.

By Chip

February 9, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Bush and his neocon pals lie about supporting the troops - there have been more suicides of troops and family members, and more divorces under the Chimp and his NeoScum pals than under any other president…I would not hold my breath waiting for educational benefits being transferable to children…

By Jackie

February 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes:

“A man who survives torture and five years in a prisoner of war camp most assuredly has the constitution to withstand determined opposition. That opposition comes from unrelenting critics on the left — and from an impatient citizenry grown unaccustomed to the steadfastness required to defeat an often abstract enemy. We are a nation of rationalizers, skeptics and negotiators best defined by Rodney King: “People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?”

Is it not the “conservatives” that are upset about John McCain? Are they not saying that it is the fault of the liberal media as to McCain’s ascent to the top because the media keeps pushing McCain when they clearly do not want him as their nominee? This is a clear case of “throwing the rock and trying to hide their hand.”

By @@

February 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Hold on Chip…

Under any other president?

You’ll find suicides under “self-inflicted.”

By @@

February 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Helloooooooo!

I’m ^^^ gomer’s wife.

By catlady

February 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Uh, Dusty… Perhaps I am misreading you at 3:11, but you do know that if there is a draft, people can still join up voluntarily if they want to, right?

Many of those middle class folks who joined up in the last 10 years or so were counting on many more years of “relative” peace. That is, they might be called upon to go to the Falklands, or something like distribute food in Somalia, but they never thought they would be separated from their families for lengthy time periods, living in such unendingly harsh conditions. Then there were the higher-functioning folks (high school graduates) from the lower classes, who have seen enlistment as a step up from their lives of want. They did not count on repeated deployments, either.

God bless all the troops! May they be home safely very soon!

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

@@, your chart ends in 2006, before we got to see the wonderful effects of the surge. So for more up to-date stats, here were more than 2000 attempted last year.

Looks like fewer than that succeeded, thank goodness.

Let’s not forget the Veterans, shall we? Since the VA didn’t think it was important enough to keep track, CBS went looking.

By Jackie

February 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

Showing your STUPIDTY again today. You have never seen where I have said, implied or inferred that “all vets are homeless.” I have said that the policies of your political God(Dubya) is abhorrent as it relates to vets. I have said that you are a blind sheep that refuses to believe that Dubya is a disaster. I have seen you state without equivocation that the financial experts did not know what they were talking about when it came to economic abyss we are in and the “bailout” was political. I have seen you try to disparage any fact or figure relating to the treatment of our military by your political God without taking the time to read and understanding what is presented. I have seen, and continue to see you make breathtakingly uninformed statements and continue to defend them. We all have seen what you write and the course of your thoughts giving rise to the question, “what is wrong with Dusty?”

By @@

February 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl:

I saw that note after I’d posted the chart. I had read somewhere (will find it if I can) that a large percentage of suicides were committed without being deployed to Iraq.

catlady:

Thanks for your 3:47. You reminded me of something I’ve been meaning to post.

“Whether Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine, we all shared a common goal in Iraq: victory. As Republican candidates for Congress we share a vision for America’s future, her security, and that of future generations. We are unified in our commitment to relieve the Democrats of their command of Congress.

Notice they did not mention relieving those anti-war veterans who may choose to run—just the Democrats in Congress.

All veterans are welcome.

By @@

February 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Here ‘ya go Aquagirl

“We’re dealing now with a group of wounded, ill or injured soldiers that have available to them through the medical system, a constellation of very potent and potentially lethal drugs (when taken) in the wrong combination,” Schoomaker said.

He said a special team of pharmacists and other military officials will meet within days on the subject.

Officials are working to try to prevent such deaths and “alert the soldiers themselves about what the medications they have may do to them,” Schoomaker said.

Officials want to “put a safety net around those folks who might have either psychological problems or other injuries or illnesses which may make it difficult to manage a constellation of drugs,” he said.

“I don’t believe those are suicides in the conventional sense. I think these are truly accidental deaths,” he said.

Schoomaker brought up the subject of overdoses when asked how he assessed recent preliminary figures indicating a possible rise in Army suicides during 2007.

The Army said approximately 43 percent of them have never been deployed to either the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, noting some have been injured in training, deployments to other places and so on.

I’m glad they’re looking into this. It’s become all to common in the general population as well.

I’m thinking Ritalin and the unforeseen rise in suicide among teenagers. Even a drug to assist smokers in quitting has been blamed for an increase in suicides.

I’m one of those people who hesitates to take over-the-counter drugs.

By Dayem

February 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

I happen to know Chris De Rosa, and he’s an honorable man.

Let’s get the problem straight, though. ATSDR, CDC, and FEMA wanted a document that described the effects of only short-term exposure to the chemical of concern. Well, the chemical of concern is a known cancer-causing agent, and when it comes to cancer-causing agents, there’s no such thing as a distinction between short-term and long-term. Even one day’s exposure could cause cancer.

De Rosa said so, and to his credit, he refused to go along with this contrived hokum. Everybody should be grateful that ATSDR has some scientists who value the public’s health more than political or legal expediency. De Rosa paid the price: removal from his position, a bad performance rating, and the probable end of his career.

The next time some of you run your mouths about how bad government employees are, remember what Chris De Rosa has done for your benefit. As for Howie Frumkin, Henry Falk, Julie Gerberding, and all other CDC and ATSDR officials who had a hand in this disgrace, I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. At the very least, they have only until the next president takes office to abuse the trust placed in them.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

It’s such a beautiful day outside.

What a day to go searching for some young boys.

I’m in a very molesting mood today.

Shazam.

By jm

February 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Jackie@4:07 - “Don’t argue with a fool. The spectators can’t tell the difference”.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Link to this

@@, is that 43% of the suicides, or 43% of the units are those who haven’t deployed to war zones? I’m not sure from reading the article. I think your version has a snip, which I appreciate, but don’t remember the 43% reference directly following the suicide discussion. My brain has already left the building for Saturday night.

Your point on our pharmacopia is noted; pills are so prevalent Heath Ledger’s death isn’t a surprise. Given that, I’m not sure I’m notably more happy that soldiers would be dying of accidental overdoses. If those guys look like Heath Ledger in interviews shortly before his death, I can see how they’d just keep popping pills.

Which brings up another ugly topic, what about violence directed towards others? I read something about an increase in that too, it’ll have to wait for another day. I know better than to make assertions to you that I can’t back up.

By getalife (not the gay wanker)

February 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this

I see pf is frustrated again at 4:52 . He supports Obama but I voted for Clinton today.

The turn out is very light because these people know our government is broken and have given up on them. They just do not trust them after Katrina.

They are probably right and I think after the next President, most Americans will follow their lead unless there is drastic change.

Of course, thinking the gop will provide this change is insane as McInsane.

By @@

February 9, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

O-:MG, I’ve gotta give ml credit.

His new cartoon is hilarious.

SWOOP, there he is!!!!

and then there’s Billary

I wonder if there’s a BillarBama out there somewhere.

If there is, I’m counting on RW to find it.

By RW-(the original)

February 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

I guess the people of Kansas aren’t ready to have McCain shoved down their throats. Huckabee trounced McCain who barely beat Ron Paul.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 8:05 AM | Link to this

{{{{OBAMA TAKES ALL 3; AS HILLARY CRIES AGAIN}}}}

Yes!

Bwa.

~~~~~

From Saturday’s POS Urinal:

{{{{The U.S. military said five soldiers were killed Friday in two separate incidents in Iraq.}}}}

From Sunday’s POS Urinal:

{{{{Five American soldiers were killed Friday in two roadside bombings in Iraq —- four in Baghdad and one in Tamim province in the north, the military said. …}}}}

So how many times are you going to recycle this same story over and over again AJC?

Does this headline excite you?

Do you become happy seeing it?

~~~~~

If you ever wanted to know how far out of touch with the real world the liberals are, they have a new section in their socialist rag that explains it in detail for you:

{{{{Turkey’s parliament voted Saturday to amend the constitution to lift a decades-old ban on Islamic head scarves at universities, despite fierce opposition from the secular establishment.}}}}

Oh, so now “head scarves” is the number one over riding issue with Islam in the world today, kicking suicide bombings down the list to where, AJC, about twentieth place?

And the whiny socialist POS liberal says: “See, we stood up against Islamic extremism, despite fierce opposition, can we go back to hiding under the bed now, please?”

And the Iranian woman, falsely accused of adultery, buried in the ground up to her waist, waiting for the Islamic extremists to stone her to death says: “Gee, thanks, AJC.”

Kowards.

~~~~~

Here’s what the nobel peace prize really represents:

{{{{If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated, British Nobel literature laureate Doris Lessing predicted in a newspaper interview published here Saturday.}}}}

Sick.

This is the kind of world that these depressed America hating liberals live in, always thinking the worst of the greatest nation in the world.

And aren’t you so proud of yourselves, stupid red faced vein bulging al-Gore idiots, with your “horror” stories about the “evil” Americans?

And to them I say: You are the ones that are screwed up, you filthy worthless elitist scumbags, take your decisiveness and your wormy liberal opinions and shove them up your as-s.

South Korea, China, Europe, Iraq, the slaves, America has sacrificed our very best and our treasure to give freedom to as many people of the world that we possibly can.

We have opened our shores to everyone, given the opportunity to the world to come and be free, live your life with respect and dignity, be prosperous without oppression.

And we ask for nothing in return.

We have freed millions from slavery and given of ourselves as no others have done before us, more than the sorry Britain that this nobel scumbag whines from..

America is the greatest country that has ever existed, hands down, and I am sick and tired of hearing these POS liberals talk about her as though we our some marauding force of evil.

You stupid foul scumbag liberals have to project your filthy hate on us, you have to wreck all of the good things that we have done, you have to trash our goodwill and sacrifice, just so you can win some stupid political power and cronyism.

You cannot compete with ideas, you have no policy, you have no roadmaps for our future, nope, all you can do is trash the very country that has given you untold prosperity, freedom and opportunity like no other in history.

You suckas-s mofo are no better than Hitler, your anti American rhetoric is designed to abandon the fight against the real evil of the world, Islamic Fascism, and enslave millions of people to life of sorrow and pain.

175,000 soldiers in Iraq, volunteers all, why is it that you filthy propagandists can only find two or three that do not believe in this mission, why is it that 169,998 of them believe what they are doing is right and that we should continue until we have defeated al Qaeda and all the other throat cutters?

Ask yourself this: Why are democrats the only ones against what we are doing in Iraq?

I know.

Do you?

~~~~~

Dear Mike Hickabee: Um, have you not noticed that the only people not ignoring you are the liberals in the drive by media?

Perhaps maybe you should come out of the closet and run in the democrat primaries, no?

The Repug race is over already.

Know what I mean?

~~~~~

{{{{COUNTDOWN 2008: Obama’s youthquake: IS THE SENATOR LEADING A MOVEMENT, OR JUST AN INTERESTING CAMPAIGN? By Richard Halicks- Urinal- The increase was typical of other primary states, and in nearly all cases, the majority of that younger vote went to Obama.}}}}

Uh, yeah:

{{{{(CBS) June 3, 2004 Six months ago, almost no one had heard of Meetup.com, but these days the Web site is considered a driving force behind former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean’s insurgent Democratic presidential campaign. Remember how we were all told that the new army of young “Deaniacs” was going to carry Howard Dean to the White House because of the unprecedented enthusiasm, idealism, and youthful vigah?}}}}

They come and they go.

~~~~~

{{{{So much for Tancredoism. Tom Tancredo is the Colorado congressman who ran for the Republican presidential nomination on a simple platform of nativism and undisguised contempt for illegal immigrants.-Queen Pinko, Urinal}}}}

We’re still here Cynthia, don’t you worry your little head about that.

{{{{As his signature legislation to legalize undocumented workers was routinely excoriated as “amnesty” by conservative talk show hosts and right-wing bloggers, McCain barely budged.}}}}

McCain said he “got the message” last year when Americans protested his amnesty bill.

{{{{That’s because voters didn’t fall for the scapegoating premise of Tancredoism. It was a bad product, and few voters bought it.}}}}

Now does anyone else, besides this babbling hate filled rhetoric using pinko, believe Tancredo lost because of “his stand on immigration?”

Puh-leeze.

By Tireseus

February 10, 2008 8:21 AM | Link to this

Forsooth! You get a lot of sooth with your Nobel Prize for Peace.

I’m just soothsaying that you can get It for carpet bombing whole nations and It will make you a great man of peace. You can get It for founding a no-nuke club and It will make you a great physician. For making millions on the rubber chicken circuit, It will make you a climatologist and maker of weather.

Far be it from mere mortals to doubt that It giveth a man the power to see into the future of the diseased racist murderous heart of the Americans. What else would it be good for? Can’t even get tenure with the Thing anymore.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Obama!

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Obama!

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Obama!

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Link to this

Obama!

By Craig

February 10, 2008 8:27 AM | Link to this

Dusty you are absolutely clueless. It’s your prejudice that comes out when you assume that I resent people who make more money than I. You don’t know - obviously - what my income is.

I respect anyone who serves our country. If I recall correctly, you have family who are serving or have served in Iraq. I honor you and them for that service.

My point is simply that in all prior wars, we as a nation were called to share in the sacrifice. Higher taxes, a draft, even rationing. Everyone was affected by the war effort.

This war is different, even though your president has told you that it’s the greatest challenge of our generation. How do we pay for it? Load up our children with debt. Who is asked to fight the war? Even you can’t be so obtuse not to recognize that our soldiers are primarily - not all - children of poorer, rural families with fewer opportunities in life. How do we honor our dead? We aren’t allowed to see them when they are airlifted home. How do we take care of our wounded soldiers? The problems at Walter Reed are well known. And as Jackie pointed out above, your president continues to make wonderful promises then only a few days later, fail to keep them.

Sorry, but supporting the troops means actually doing things for them, not just making flowery speeches, which is the MO for Republicans. And if this war is so important, then we all need to make appropriate sacrifices, not just the families of the troops.

By Ace Mulholland

February 10, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Hillary.

By Ace Mulholland

February 10, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Hillary.

By Craig

February 10, 2008 8:32 AM | Link to this

So McCain gets trounced in Kansas, beaten in Lousiana, and barely squeaks by Romney, Paul, Huckabee, and “uncommitted” in Washington. And this guy is your champion?

Good times!

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Isn’t America great. I love it here. I’m just a middle of the road kind of guy with a middle of the road income, lifestyle, and tax burden. Life could certainly be worse. Now that’s the sentence that worries me. What lies in wait for us down the road, over the next hill, tomorrow? Isn’t that what politics is built on — what lies ahead? I know what politicians must do during an election cycle — they must sell themselves to those who will elect them. They have a resume of sorts - a draft resume in need of refinement. The “facts” — their background, their life experience — are in the past, no matter how blurred, distorted, or obscured they may be. That “past” has been so abused, by those that would use it to their advantage, that it may have been rendered all but useless. So, what’s left. It seems as though we are all reduced to committee members — grilling those who have been pre-ordained by those who were previously pre-ordained in their own right — praying for a miracle while picking from what we see as the bottom of the barrel.

By Ace Mulholland

February 10, 2008 8:39 AM | Link to this

See cause we don’t need an exclamation point. Hillary’s a fact. Deal with it.

Have fun with your boy if you want, but at the end of the day if you really have our politics then understand who’s going to throw the wingnuts out. And it’s not Obama.

So remember the lesson of this weekend that if you go mouthing off with this “momentum” thing you’re going to get smacked down like the babe in the woods you are cause that’s not how it’s going down and not how it’s going to go down.

Screw Nebraska. Place has more Airstreams than houses. No s**. Bob and I did advance there in 96 and froze our asses off for two weeks trying to find anyone smart enough to wear a button or hold up a sign on cue. Pathetic.

Real money is on the big urbans. Let Junior waste his time and money on the flyovers. Just don’t give us this crap about momentum.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Craig February 10, 2008 8:32 AM So McCain gets trounced in Kansas, beaten in Lousiana, and barely squeaks by Romney, Paul, Huckabee, and “uncommitted” in Washington. And this guy is your champion? Good times!}}}}

Wasn’t that the most beautiful message possible that we sent McBushie?

Pandering to Conservatives is not going to get you anywhere, after all, we are not easily fooled liberals.

If McBushie wants to win, then he better start showing us something, not just telling us what he will do.

Bwa.

And here I thought Conservatives were finished…..

By Redneck Convert

February 10, 2008 8:40 AM | Link to this

Rev. Huckabee.

Rev. Huckabee.

Rev. Huckabee.

And I seen that wisecrack you made about me and my trailer, Sister Dusty. Just see if we ever catch another snake for you.

By Frank Fat

February 10, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

I like the one about the terrorists and the snake under Zell’s front porch. Dassa gootwong!

Does anyone know, is it true that Giuliani tied with Ron Paul yesterday?

Oh! I like Huckabee also. He is not the Mormon, is he?

By Craig

February 10, 2008 8:51 AM | Link to this

Funny, Ace…

By Barack Obama

February 10, 2008 8:59 AM | Link to this

My friends, you did it. You brought the message of change across this nation, and the People responded. We swept the caucuses this weekend!

My deepest gratitude goes out to you for not despairing, for refusing to surrender your hope for change. With your continued support, in the coming weeks we can expect to overtake Senator Clinton in the delegate count. And then, my friends, together we will change this country.

One word about the campaign going forward. This week and the next, we will open a new conversation with our fellow citizens about Transformation and what it can mean to the world. So I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to think about the kind of transformation you would like to see, and later I will ask you for your thoughts on this vital question.

Thank you again, from the bottom of my soul.

Barack

By RNC E-MAIL ALERT

February 10, 2008 9:19 AM | Link to this

Barack Hussein Obama

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 9:20 AM | Link to this

Obama’s success last night proves that the American People are finally paying attention. Change isn’t earned by candidates, it’s grabbed, spontaneously, by the people.

Socio-economic issues are outweighing theo-political issues. Justice is being invented. There is no turning back.

Although we can never leave Iraq, we can reinforce a more salient front in the war on terror using troops from a different theatre. That’s not cut and run, that’s an offensive campaign.

a Code Pink Spokesperson in Berkley was interviewed on Oreilly, by a guest-witch using straw man arguments and throwing balls of fire with every utterance. The guest-host mentioned that W had kept us safe. Did 911 occur on W’s watch or not? So Clinton then, was the greatest commander-in-chief ever because no attacks occured on US soil after the 1993 WTC bombing. It only took a year of W’s incompetence to leave us vulnerable enough so that 911 could happen. That’s the only conclusion you can deduce using the guest witch’s logic.

The American People are finally seeing through straw man arguments, and that’s also why Hillary is seeing it more difficult to earn delegates… Rushannity preaches to the choir, but the congregation aint buying it.

Hannity + Rush = HUSH!

A straw man argument is when you restate your opponent’s position slightly incorrectly so that you can divert the logic and make debate-winning conclusions if the audience is filled with morons who didn’t detect the white lie.

By Hillary Clinton

February 10, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

O, would be, wanna be, transformation of personification. Your trickery, your aliasing, will earn you nothing but what you have wrought. So, I give you your opportunity to redeem yourself — now toss away your facade and reveal your innermost self. Oppose me in your true form, I say.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

Obama’s success last night proves that the American People are finally paying attention. Change isn’t earned by candidates, it’s grabbed, spontaneously, by the people.

Socio-economic issues are outweighing theo-political issues. Justice is being invented. There is no turning back.

Although we can never leave Iraq, we can reinforce a more salient front in the war on terror using troops from a different theatre. That’s not cut and run, that’s an offensive campaign.

a Code Pink Spokesperson in Berkley was interviewed on Oreilly, by a guest-witch using straw man arguments and throwing balls of fire with every utterance. The guest-host mentioned that W had kept us safe. Did 911 occur on W’s watch or not? So Clinton then, was the greatest commander-in-chief ever because no attacks occured on US soil after the 1993 WTC bombing. It only took a year of W’s incompetence to leave us vulnerable enough so that 911 could happen. That’s the only conclusion you can deduce using the guest witch’s logic.

The American People are finally seeing through straw man arguments, and that’s also why Hillary is seeing it more difficult to earn delegates… Rushannity preaches to the choir, but the congregation aint buying it.

Hannity + Rush = HUSH!

A straw man argument is when you restate your opponent’s position slightly incorrectly so that you can divert the logic and make debate-winning conclusions if the audience is filled with morons who didn’t detect the white lie.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

And here I thought Conservatives were finished…..

Oh they are. At least the non-conservative “conservatism” espoused by the delusional loons. And as any significant political force in the direction this nation will go in the next decade, forget it.

Bush will end his Presidency with the lowest approval ratings in the history of the United States, as people from all walks of life and all locations are weary of these men who have taken the GOP hostage and turned it into a bumbling, incompetent mess. I’m amazed W’s numbers are not yet in the teens. But there is still time.

So the evidence is clear - this now defunct Reagan Revolution turns out to have been a disastrous experiment for America. Domestically they have been a train wreck. And in foreign policy even worse. Ultimately their legacy is more government, less value, more corruption and scandals, more religious frauds and power brokers, partisan gridlock and much less honor and integrity (if that was possible!).

These neo-cons had countless chances, and what did they do with them? Completely shiite the bed in a self absorbed, self deluded frenzy of revenge, unbridled arrogance, untamed avarice and power hungry madness.

And now all seven of the phony conservatives on their slate have been rejected roundly by America this year. (Cong. Paul at least is no fake and Huckabee, though continuing to help the Dems out, is assuredly going to fall as well).

So get used to enjoying these meaningless and tiny “victories” neo-cons. It is all that awaits you now. And deservedly so…

By TW

February 10, 2008 9:39 AM | Link to this

A straw man argument is when you restate your opponent’s position slightly incorrectly so that you can divert the logic and make debate-winning conclusions if the audience is filled with morons who didn’t detect the white lie.

see FOX NEWS, THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION

One of the nice things about having lived through the Bush admin is that we have been able to see the carnage of leading with the Straw Man. Given the keys to the best ride on the planet, the Republicans, with their Straw Man riding shotgun, have done nothing but put her into the wall multiple times without ever finishing a lap.

Not to lose you morons with a little science, but…

Experiment: Unbridled Republican Leadership

Result: Failure

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Would someone please define neo-con?

It seems to me that it’s basically a code word for hatred of Jews that lets bigots hide their true feelings.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

3 of the 7 years under President Bush have had at least one chamber of Congress controlled by Democrats and he will finish with 4 of 8. How is that “unbridled Republican leadership?”

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet February 10, 2008 9:33 AM So the evidence is clear - this now defunct Reagan Revolution turns out to have been a disastrous experiment for America. Domestically they have been a train wreck. And in foreign policy even worse.}}}}

But yet, amazingly, people from all over the world still flock to America so that they can be “oppressed” by “right wing jackboots” and lose their as-s in this “train wreck” economy.

And all those dummy Canadians crowding into our hospitals even though their socialist utopia provides heath care for “free.”

What is wrong with these people, can’t they see how bad it is here?!?!

Yeah, right on.

I do have to give you liberals credit and this comes from the heart; the real rejection of ideology that is unfolding before our very eyes is you democrats kicking the KKKlintons and all of their hate America BS to the curb.

Bravo.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 9:55 AM | Link to this

Ask Rove what a Neocon is. That’s like saying that a minute man is a revolutionary war soldier, instead of a ICBM. SO what if the original meaning was anti semetic.

Neocon defined for the last time: A neocon is “dittohead telling us that Saddam and OBL were strange bedfellows, and anyone who questions that fact is a terrorist enabler who doesn’t support the troops and is probably a tax cheat and a flip flopper.”

By TW

February 10, 2008 9:57 AM | Link to this

President stands at his alter in Jan ‘04, grinning about his ‘political capital’ = pretty unbridled.

RW - funny how you don’t dispute ‘failure’, just who is to blame.

I’ll take your admission of failure as a reach across the aisle. Good job.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 10:11 AM | Link to this

Today, we will be sharing a little more on science. Scientists have determined that the world may actually be transformed from round to flat. Given the infiniteness of the universe, scientists have determined that there must exist two heavenly bodies that will ultimately collide with the earth but at opposing, polar ends. The resulting destruction will leave the earth with nothing more than the middle, disc-shaped remnant hurling through time — a space in its own continuum.

It has been so cited in the journals logging the voyagers through the stars in ships built by the enterprising. So say we all.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

This morning has provided an excellent example of the microcosm of the denialist disease within the GOP. Responses that are either inanity cloaked as political correctness run sadly amok. Or more intentional misreading/miscomprehesion “skills”. Or the pathetic justifications of the inadequate by setting the bar as low as possible. That Biafrans, Chileans and Malaysians want to come here en masse to avoid horrific conditions is now apparently the highest standard for the Republican dream for the USA.

And all three demonstrate the now seemingly permanent rigor mortis of “conservative” extremism conveniently avoiding the validity or not of the assertions against them. As evidenced by actually countering them with ANYTHING other than irrelevant references to the hated liberals and Democrats or valueless red herrings and straw men.

Clearly there is very little hope for this far-right element of the political spectrum joining the reasoned and reasonable center, or even the realities of the 21st century, without much kicking and screaming. They may well be the last to see it, but it is confirmed by the ongoing nationwide stampede to rid our government of it’s failures and charlatans.

By TW

February 10, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

These eight years will go down in history as THE GREAT REGRESSION. Rather than storm into the next century as leaders of the globe, we instead decided it best to push as much money as possible to our wealthiest while giving the rest of the country the finger…all wrapped up in a pretty red, white, and blue, FOX NEWS manufactured, Republican bow.

Yet we still have Republicans standing here with political egg all over their faces, knee deep in American soldier blood, pointing their fingers at the Dems.

Perhaps there is some sort of Republican PTSD at play here?

As a liberal, I would have no problem having some of my tax dollars going for research to help said Republicans. As a liberal, I see that Republicans, despite their ignorance, selfishness, and anti-Christian actions, are still Americans, and should be treated as such.

By Curious Observer

February 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Link to this

Would someone please define neo-con?

It seems to me that it’s basically a code word for hatred of Jews that lets bigots hide their true feelings.

I’ve seen this rubbish from jbmlaw and other conservatives on this blog.

neo=new.

So what’s anti-Semitic about the term that the Bushbots once so proudly owned? In what twisted logic is the term now being perceived as derogatory by the very people who once applied the label to their own movement?

Could it be that the Bush supporters are now trying to run away from the present administration and the ultra-conservative members of Congress who enabled him? Why did we not hear one peep about George W. Bush from the legion of candidates who once ran for the 2008 Republican nomination? Why do the remaining Republican candidates not mention him?

Questions, questions.

Perhaps those of us on the left need to start a campaign claiming that use of the term liberal Democrat is code for racist tendencies.

Idiots! Are you that desperate?

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

TW,

Any time the federal government usurps power that is Constitutionally left to the states I do consider that something of a failure. In that respect we have Republicans taking us on a long and winding road to a failed Republic, however the Democrat alternative is a bullet train to our demise.

I’ll stick with the winding road in the hopes that we can one day take the proper trail back to our founding.

As for your declaration of how history will view these last eight years, only a fool believes a Presidency can be historically viewed in the short term. There’s a chance that one day history will even find something Billy Jeff did right.

By Craig

February 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Link to this

I’ve seen this rubbish from jbmlaw and other conservatives on this blog.

Interesting, isn’t it, that all they can do is repeat each other, or something they hear on Fox or talk radio. Nary an original thought in the group.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Mathematically speaking, a regression is nothing more than an analysis aimed at locating the trend of the mean ones amongst the given population. Based on my own regression analysis, I have found that the mean are only getting meaner.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Link to this

I see that idiot Cindy Tucker is supporting illegal immigration: She must be hoping they will buy the worthless ajc newspaper’s and save her overpaid and over rated job. Hey cindy, when push comes to shove in the economy, the people at the bottom will have to share a fixed pot of money, and by adding 20 million illegals, you have just reduced the welfare check to each and every black american…A raise will not come from my pocket, I have already moved my wealth beyond the reach of Hillarity the Clown and Obama the thief, imho.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Link to this

PoFo and CO, I think a much better question, oft asked by yours truly and still to this date unanswered, is, “What is conservative?”

My experience is one single “conservatives” over at Luckovich’s trotting out one slogan that said nothing. (Peace through Strength)

But with this serious query I ask, “What are the specific elements and hallmarks of American conservatism?”

With so many still desperately clinging to the term, it seems like it would be a slam dunk for them to, at length, describe it’s characteristics and details, no?

No.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Curious Observer,

Most of us that proudly call ourselves conservatives have been conservatives for most of our adult lives. What’s neo about that?

The actual self described neocons are disaffected liberals that are overwhelmingly Jewish. It seems to me that people that use the term to describe any Republican just aren’t willing or capable of understanding the difference, but if they do they’re trying to hide their bigotry.

Blowhard,

Since you use the term at least a dozen times in most of your vacuous manifestos, why don’t you take a crack at defining it?

By TW

February 10, 2008 10:52 AM | Link to this

RW - well said. However, your resistance to evaluation of the fed is detrimental to your advocacy of States’ Rights. Substituting denial for accountability rings as a bit foolish as well…

By TW

February 10, 2008 10:57 AM | Link to this

Chip - racism went out of vogue when it lost the stones to use the n-word…for example…you.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Link to this

TW,

There’s a huge difference between accountably and true historical perspective. In fact, there’s a huge difference between evaluation and accountability.

Let’s say one of the thousands of accusations the left throws out at the Bush administration ever turns out to be true. Accountability would be instant and evaluation would take some time, however historical perspective could still prove the course of action to have been the correct one just as seemingly innocuous things, that nobody complains about, could turn out to be hugely influential in the lens of history.

I’m all for the evaluation and accountability of our government and I’m also all for the evaluation and accountability for it’s accusers, but I’ll never be presumptuous enough to say I know how history will reflect the events of the day and their overall effect on the world.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

Interesting, isn’t it, that all they can do is repeat each other, or something they hear on Fox or talk radio.

That’s funny Craig, I say the same thing when I read comments from you disgustingly pathetic liberal Demonrats and think of moveon.org, Clinton News Network, NYT, dailykos, Atlanta Urinal Constipation’s editorial board (minus Wooten), etc. Nary an original thought indeed. Your little liberal pea brain may not comprehend this, but a lot of people on the right DO think alike and DO share the same beliefs.

Hey Chip, I see you mentioned Hillarity. Care to see her latest crybaby tactics? What the hell is this, her THIRD time to shed CROCKodile tears? Who are the IDIOTS supporting this woman again? Oh, and like you, I have already moved the majority of my immediate access wealth the hell out of reach of our rape-the-successful and reward the slackas-ses government. Those liberal neocommunists can’t touch it. I have no use for liberal demonrats in MY life. Who really gives a flying pig what those liberal demonrats think on this blog anyway.

By deegee

February 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

No one is supporting illegal immigration. The majority of American people are in support of immigration reform, and they are not in support of the status quo. Included in the reform is tighter border security, an adjustment in the number of work visas alloted each year, and legalization of illegal immigrants that have demonstrated that they are good, law abiding citizens. Despite what the “deport them now” conservatives think, no one wants to hire illegal aliens and use them as slave labor in order to enrich themselves. Deporting an illegal immigrant does not mean that an American citizen is going to make $75K a year plucking chickens and throwing pine straw. Employers want to hire the best person for the job, pay them a fair wage and at the same time comply with the law.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 11:13 AM | Link to this

Like it or not, anyone that votes will ultimately choose a label. Will it be Hillary, Obama, McCain, Huckabee, ….Now run along and define your label.

By getalife

February 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Link to this

Obama sweeps but Clinton still leads in the delegates. Clinton wins all the big State primaries, Florida delegates and superdelegates to win the nomination.

gomer won 2 out if 3 and cons are not happy with McInsane. McInsane will win the nomination.

Lets see the majority want out of Iraq, concerned about the economy and want change.

Yep, Clinton in a landslide.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

Craig, though jbmlaw’s quaint but irrelevant definition is technically correct in it’s etymology, through common usage and understanding it is about as accurately used by the far right as most of their mantras. In other words, Mission Accomplished and assorted other lies as truths.

That ANYONE would seize upon it as actually being anti-semitic shows an incredible level of desperation, don’t you think?

And that 10:40 was one fascinating look into the masochistic mindset of political extremism that is perhaps finally beginning to resign itself to the inevitable upcoming “conservative” bloodbath.

And sorry, Rong Winger, I’ll describe in detail what a conservative is NOT (i.e. you neo-cons) replete with many, many examples, when you can even remotely begin to detail what one is. It’s not like I haven’t asked many times before over at Luckovich’s and none of you posers have demonstrated the courage to respond.

Here’s your chance, True American Conservative and Patriot! But that you have responded to my initial question with a childish mirror-like one of your own, I think already answers it.

By Curious Observer

February 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Link to this

I say the same thing when I read comments from you disgustingly pathetic liberal Demonrats …

Racism!!! Racism!!!

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this

Better look up, getalife. “Clinton in a landslide” has a negative connotation in California.

By RW-(the original)

February 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

I’m sure you think it’s cute to make believe you’ve had some lingering question on the table to keep you from having to answer the question asked of you, but it only magnifies what a tiny mind you have.

I think I’ll take advantage of this global warming to get out and do a 10K and then maybe get in a little golf. I’ll try to get back before closing to see if you’ve googled an answer for me.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 12:14 PM | Link to this

Ah TW, you can support the illegals and the n****, I will not…and I have taken steps to move my wealth beyond the taxing power of the Chimp, Hillarity the Clown, and Obama the thief. As for you and your ilk, I also have a plan: its called the plantation system, and formerly well off white people will be my new n****….

By The Movement Formerly Known as Barack Obama

February 10, 2008 12:21 PM | Link to this

My friends, you did it. You brought the message of change across this nation, using the parroting, adoring media, who are still in shivering adoration of my sweep of the caucuses!

My deepest gratitude goes out to you for swigging deep of that kool-ade, for refusing to let States that actually vote, instead of herd like sheep, send more delegates to the Democratic convention.

With your continued support, in the coming weeks we can expect to overtake Senator Clinton in the delegate count. And then, my friends, together we will change this country—-not that I have a real plan, but let’s not think about that, huh? With the few caucuses remaining, we can build a lead over the big, populous, diverse States who prefer to let people vote, not circle up in clusterf%#s where they can follow each other like zombies. Everyone knows I’m a movement, and who wants to be publicly embarrassed by not being trendy?

If I didn’t have these caucuses, and a few primary states where I can rely on racism to bring the brothas and sistas out in cultlike solidarity, that boring white chick who keeps talking about issues would totally wreck my mojo.

So let’s keep it going, maybe they’ll decide I’m just going to win and stay home, I’m working really hard with the media on this one.

One word about my fad going forward: in the next few weeks, I want to open a new conversation about Transformation, and what it means in helping me get elected. It’ll be like a great big Oprah show, where we can talk about our feelings and ignore the fact that most of my elected life I’ve been a part-time legislator, and that I have no real plans or experience, just some beeyotchin’ kewl speeches. ‘Specially for my peeps under 22, who would no more vote for that old lady than they would leave the house in pants that didn’t show at least half their underwear.

Thank you again, from the bottom of my soul train.

Sorry, couldn’t resist that one last shout-out to my folk, who will vote for me for my skin color. Without them, I’m totally sunk.

By getalife

February 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Link to this

Yes, cut and run and RW and take your racist kook chip with you.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 12:31 PM | Link to this

Yo, getadyke, bugger off….

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Curious Orifice: you forgot Nazi, hater, knuckle dragging neocon, & warmonger. Did I leave anything else out that you rabid self-defecating caged animals on the left usually use? Please add to the list if so. Thanks, moonbat.

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

Heh. Hehehehe. Ever notice how it’s usually the hysterical left that supports this junk@ss science and wants to use OUR money to supposedly STOP it? Pour some more kool-aid on it and shaddaaaap.

As if we don’t get our daily dose of liberal demonrat hypocrisy here and elsewhere, the latest from the moonbats is when a woman calls Bush a b******* during a Hillarity event and nobody says anything. That’s a far cry from the outrage after a man called Hillarity a b!tch. Besides, Bush’s parents were both married at the time of his conception and birth. But who’s counting here. Chelsea is being pimped out, a PMSNBC reporter gets suspended for speaking the truth, and Chelsea violated NY election law by showing up at a polling place and nobody says a WORD.

Like I said, there is no shortage of hypocrisy from the left. Just think, those mooonbats want to control your life from cradle to grave because what they think is best IS the best for YOU.

THEY will mandate your health care options.

THEY will mandate your retirement options.

THEY will mandate the education of your children.

THEY will mandate what kind of vehicle you drive.

THEY will mandate how many light bulbs you have installed.

THEY will mandate how large a home you can own.

THEY will mandate how much money corporations can earn.

THEY will mandate how much of YOUR paycheck goes to THEIR neocommunist socialist causes.

Oh I don’t think so. I’m more intelligent and independent than that. In November, I hope to hell the majority of America is as well.

By getalife

February 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

chip,

go have sex with yourself.

Racist nut job.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 12:39 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: After the massive defeat that Obama put on Klintoon last night, I’d be willing to bet that was the first time the bitc-h ever cried for real.

There is nothing she can do now except watch that giant wave coming ashore, perhaps she should climb up tree or something?

Apparently Obama has nothing in his past that the World Of Hate can use against him, Exalted Cyclops Billy has been de nutted, yep, it’s just about time for us to get to work on Mr. “Hope.”

This one should be pretty easy, what we got here is the second coming of Howard Dean, some babbling vacuum cleaner salesman being propelled through space by a cult of dimwits, dimwits that will soon become distracted by some new video game or pop song.

And what about the message that the Cons sent to McBushie yesterday, just when you thought we were dead, whammo, here we are, alive and well, and piling on your as-s.

Hahahaha.

Certainly McBushie didn’t miss the underlying meaning in all that, it was unmistakably loud and clear, either ease up on all the lib talk or you will be just another two bit Bob Dole.

The pinkos won’t be voting for you in November, like they did in January.

Bwa.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

It looks like the Bill Clinton hoof-n-mouth disease hasn’t worn off on the Obama camp. What a shame they had to reign in the King of the jacka-ss party and tell him to shut up.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

Yo ho ho, getadyke, you forgot HomoCidal f* hater…A vote for hillarity the clown is a vote for f*.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

As the gutless cut n runner has declined to demonstrate a shred of courage, I’ll “reach across the aisle” and fire the first salvo into the heart of the already dying neo-con beast.

A true historical American conservative has NEVER been and is NOT now even remotely interested in replacing centuries of science in our public classrooms with religious mythology. Nor are they invested in “adding” it as a faux scientific alternative. At ANY level of government you Cobb Country cretins!

Just the first of MANY more examples to come Rong Winger.

By getalife

February 10, 2008 12:52 PM | Link to this

duh,

She is still winning and will win the next round.

Your party is having a complete melt down. Just read chip and rufus to see your friends losing it.

Too funny.

By Aquagirl

February 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

That jacka-ss Bill keeps putting his foot in his mouth telling the truth.

He says Obama’s constant opposition to the war is a lie (true) and that if Virgina goes to Obama like South Carolina, it’ll be basically handing him the State for the color of his skin (true).

Nobody likes Bill when he lies, they like him less when he tells the truth. Ah, politics.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Link to this

Great smackdown Lucko. You gave Aquanut a well deserved a-sswhipping yesterday too. Kudos.

Yeah, we Conservatives are just going to disappear after the twinkletoed libs click their heels together three times, right? Too funny.

But you have to remember that being a liberal demonrat originates from a lot of mental instability and insecurity.

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

That Curly is delighted that the uber-liberal Obama may win the nomination is classic self-loathing and an extremely unhealthy obsession with the Clintons.

And that these phony conservatives and their moronic talking heads were so impotent they couldn’t keep a Republican quasi-liberal from slapping the shiite out of a slate chock full of nut jobs and posers from California to Massachusetts to Tennessee is just too rich for words!

And as it turns out, McCain’s only real competition is another quasi-liberal/”reformed” ex-preacher!!

H&ll, even an off-the-chart libertarian oddjob is more compelling in the GOP these days than “America’s mayor” and a well-coiffed flip-flopper. Yes, Mr. Bush has done his job well.

I may split a gut before this year is up.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 12:56 PM | Link to this

Yuck oh, getadirtydyke: I support no political party or candidate, they are all corrupt scum owned and operated by special interest liars, cheaters, thieves, and perverts like, like - YOU

By Chip

February 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Link to this

YOOOOO, PUSSSIES: Here is an example of the illegal hispanic scum invading our country: “NEW YORK (AP) — After police discovered the frail, battered body of 7-year-old Nixzmary Brown in her home in 2006, authorities say her stepfather was quick to admit he had bound her to a chair with duct tape and beat her on a daily basis.

Nixzmary Brown, 7, died after being repeatedly abused during her short life. She weighed 45 pounds.

1 of 3 Videotaped and written statements by Cesar Rodriguez — combined with grim crime scene photos from the room where the victim was tortured, starved and forced to urinate in a litter box — have brought jurors to tears at his high-profile murder trial in Brooklyn.

But the emotion in the jury box hasn’t discouraged Rodriguez’s attorney from forging ahead with a brazen strategy: effectively putting Nixzmary and her mother on trial.

The aggressive former prosecutor, Jeffrey Schwartz, has portrayed the mother as the real killer, calling her a “monster” and mocking her as “Mommy Dearest.”

He has also labeled Nixzmary a violent and uncontrollable “little Houdini” — a reference to her supposed knack at slipping out of the makeshift restraints devised by her parents to keep her from attacking her younger siblings.”

If you want this kind of sshhiitt going on regularly, then by all means allow the illegal scum bags from Mexica and HellHole Centeral AmeriKA into our country…

By Obama Room

February 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Link to this

This campaign is not about [PAUSE] being trendy. It’s about [PAUSE] being bendy. Or Wendy, when she wears Fendi. [LAUGHTER AT MEANINGLESS JOKE]

Above all—-and let us be perfectly clear on this point here and now—-this campaign is about Mending, because that’s what, together, we must do for this great nation: we must mend her.

And my friends I come to you, this day, to tell you that we will mend this country. The time has come for us to stand up and say, “Yes, we will mend our ways!”

And my friends, there is so much mending to do! [LAUGHTER] Because America does not need to build fences; [PAUSE] America needs to mend fences! [CHEERS]

My friends we do not need a politics that tears us one from another; We need to thread our many strands of Hope through the Needle of Change, so that together we can mend what others have torn. [CHEERS]

But we must not merely mend, my friends; for we have amends to make if we are to stitch together a People United who will blaze a brighter future than the world has ever seen! [CHEERS]

Give us an “A-mend!”

[SHOUTS OF ‘A-MEND’]

[EXIT]

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

UK Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims To think I thought this was about Alabama.

Since those people in nations like Iran don’t like dogs because they are “not clean” (I suppose wiping one’s as-s with a hand is “clean”), it must not come as a shock that the “pure” blood must come from family. How sick. Methinks the ancient Egyptians practiced those same beliefs. Just think, we can all live like them and the islamo-terrorist pacifying liberal left would allow it to happen. Sure they would. It’s already starting to happen Europe and the UK.

*Your party is having a complete melt down. Just read chip and rufus to see your friends losing it.

getwasted: I’m not worried. Your Hillarity has the highest negative rating of any presidential candidate, possibly in history at nearly 50%, and Obama gets the white male vote and a certainly a portion of the female white vote. Just ignore the REAL rift of the Clintoons in YOUR party from the Kennedys on down. Brain dead idiot.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Link to this

Between the stinking 20 million mexicans invading america and the stinking zionists stealing everything that is not nailed down, America is doomed to third world status. Did anyone out there think the “virtual fence” erected by the homo land security department would stop real walking, talking illegal mexican scum bags from sneaking into america? If so, then your are dumber than sshhiitt. The real crime here is that the so called “virtual fence” was a creation of Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homo Land Security, and a zionist. This virtal fence was created in Israel under contract to homoland security for billions of american tax dollars. It was created by that scum bag chertoff as a way of awarding billions of dollars in contracts to his pals in israel, and it DOES NOT WORK. Of course, the contracts are top secret, so there has been no publicity about them going to israeli firms. Dirty, lying, thieving scum…..

By Chip

February 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

If you want a photograph of the little escape artist who is supposedly responsible for ther own murder, look her: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/08/child.slain.ap/index.html

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

I wonder how many americans knew there was such a thing as a super-delegate? This election may end up like Baseball rules, where, the more you read them and discover how arcane they are, the less confidence you have in the game. Or like football where the more you find out what total sluts cheerleaders are, the more likely you are to over-tip the waitress at Hooter’s.

Or like tennis….I know, you get the bit.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: If I were you, I would start scoping out where the lifeboats are, cause the USS Klanner is already taking on water.

When this baby goes down, it’s going to be every man for himself, and the women, children and elderly are going to think they are back at the Superdome.

Time to sneak off real quite like and jump on that passing bandwagon before it gets too far away.

Know what I mean?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Check it out. Republicans will most likely support McCain, a liberal Republican if there ever were one. Ok. That’s cool. The Right Wing sans the bible thumpers will show what they are capable of on getting closer to the “center” that you hear liberal demonrats preach about all the time.

Now, what exactly have we heard from the liberal demonrats and THEIR push towards some sort of “center?” Oh that’s right, they ALREADY think they ARE the ‘center.” Can we read the tea leaves yet people?

Disclaimer for ignoramus simpleminded liberal demonrats here: If Rush Limbaugh or Fox News stated these above comments, I accept no responsibility as these are MINE first, moonbats.

By Midori

February 10, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

The biggest lunatic racist nutjob who embraces the most severe racist administration in the history of America always throws slings and arrows at Hillary Clinton.

Pot meet dutch oven.

Nearly every nonsensical post of yours is full of race baiting and slurs.

You need to clean up your own da*mn party’s filthy and substantial track record of racist practices and Klan membership.

Andy — be careful looking in mirrors. That has to be a lot of work cleaning up all that glass.

Also, if I were you, I’d move out of that glass house.

By Fred

February 10, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

This Chip sounds alot like Chip Rogers.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Link to this

What a useless, entertainment-based media we have in our society. It is an election year and probably the most important of our lifetime which will set the future course of this nation (do we want more failed government social programs and Nanny Statesmanship or do we want a more limited role of government in our personal lives and freedom from oppressive taxes?); the stock market is bouncing like a beach ball; morons who signed up for mortgages and lied on their applications and bought more home than they could afford are asking for the government to bail them out; the Clintoons have waged a race jihad on Obama that seems to have receded a little (get a rip of Wild Bill nodding off and probably having a wet dream during MLK day – what a loser – had a Republican done that, there would be pure hell to pay and it would be front page news everywhere); Islam has been hijacked by radical extremists who wish for the entire planet to one day be ruled under strict Sharia Law (Britain and France are fast headed there); the Antarctic ice cap is growing to one of its largest points ever recorded (must be that global warming thing the Owl Gorebots keep talking about); Fulton County, Atlanta, GA, is experimenting with paying problematic kids $8/hr. to attend school (brilliant).

We’ve got all these problems out there and how has the mainstream media spent practically the last two weeks focusing a lot of their time on?

Some relatively unknown actor who once played in a movie that “broke” all traditional bounds and made him supposedly famous by fictionally “exploring” gay life in the 1800s West kicked the bucket (I wish this nation could quit liberalism that concocts up such horse sheiot). Stick a spoon in my eye and gag me.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Midori: I know what party I belong to.

{{{{To put it mildly, LBJ was not a consistent advocate of racial equality. Bartlett (both in his book and in this article) quotes LBJ’s explanation of why he backed the Civil Rights Act of 1957:}}}}

{{{{“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”}}}}

You might want to study up on yours.

By Doug

February 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

I think Chip is D.A. King using his butt buddy and idol Chip Rogers’ name to tell the world his true sentiments.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

The biggest lunatic racist nutjob who embraces the most severe racist administration in the history of America…

That, from an obvious idiot liberal demonrat who ignores the FACT that the Bush administration has put the MOST MINORITIES in high power in US history, INCLUDING that of, you guessed it, America’s first black president, Bill Clinton. Then of course, THOSE minorities that ARE in power like Condi are called every racial name under the book by the LEFT. But we already knew that FACTS don’t matter to the disease of liberalism, don’t we?

Shut the f up and sit down Midorki, your disgusting party has no soul to speak about minorities after the way you have treated people like Condi.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Link to this

I see that while I was off getting dipped in the Blood of the Lamb, several of you more deranged Proggies were divulging your idiosyncratic, Biercean definitions of the word “neoconservative” from the notional dictionaries of your respective private languages.

How sick, to drain of its meaning a functioning and occasionally important article of nomenclature from Political Science and refill it with whatever shadows you see playing against your bedroom wall from the streetlamp beyond.

Come the Putsch, you’ll have no words left with which to name actual, rather than imagined, tyranny. Like New York Boshies in the Depression, you are poisoning your own well with idiot thinking.

Give me the clerks and mechanics and druggists of South Georgia for chess partners any day over the likes of you who see knights as pawns, pawns as Kings.

You’re twisted with fear. You’re not all identically twisted, but you are similarly twisted. For some of you, it’s fear of oligarchical cabals in the schoolboy clubs of New Haven or San Francisco. For others, in the boardrooms of Houston or Riyadh.

Every one of you regularly launches into a defensive attack upon our lame-duck President, as though you any longer had something to fear from him. Many of you think that power over geopolitics and the global economy is consolidated in the Vice President’s suite in the Old Executive Office Building.

Some of you run screaming at the mere sight of a politician who believes anything in particular, but most particularly in whatever religion your grandparents would have imposed upon you had they what you perceive as their druthers. Others of you fear Jews and their fellow travellers, and consider Israel as nothing other than the ally most likely to take us nuclear—-a very scary thought indeed.

Some of you fear the use of the military, and fear the costs in lives and limbs and treasure that result from military action. You demonstrate your cowardice by opposing all miliary action without taking the principled stance of pacifism. You further demonstrate your cowardice by denouncing military personnel as a class, while they are far from you and your denunciations.

And almost all of you fear the very weather, and support a party that would turn to the Governor of Kansas to assure you that if only the Democrats will remain in control of Congress, then sometime in the next four years they will get around to lowering the world’s (except China’s) thermostat.

These, in any case, are the expressions of your fears. I myself do not believe that you actually do fear these things. I believe that you fear something else.

What is it? Can you be honest enough with yourselves to be honest with us?

By Chip

February 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

Hillarity the Clown is a slutwannbe, she has the desire, but not the looks or ability to be a real, live, sslluutt. Hence her hubby must use the authority of his office to obtain the most basic of wifely services, the bblloowww job.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 1:56 PM | Link to this

Glenn is a Bombastic IDIOT, and yes, you may quote me…

By g

February 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Link to this

By NoToMcCain

The Traitor Kerry (I was in Viet Nam, don’t you know?) has his medical and discharge records sealed from inspection, so he is free to claim whatever and the drooling media buy it hook, line & sinker.

NoTo McCain

Are you serious? You sound a little deranged my friend, and don’t let the facts get in the way! Kerry did sign the necessary paper work for the release of his military records. He should have done it a lot sooner…See below Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records Show numerous commendations By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON — Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

| Breaking News Alerts The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry’s Vietnam service.

The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry’s military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ”undeleted” copy of his ”complete military service record and medical record” to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ”The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn’t kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out.”

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry’s service. For example, the documents quote Kerry’s former commanding officers as saying he is ”one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;” is ”the acknowledged leader of his peer group;” and is ”highly recommended for promotion.”

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 2:17 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon, Glenn. I just write about whatever happens to be bouncing around between the ears at the moment. I don’t really think about whether I fear it or not. Anyway, if you are looking to get a rise out of this crowd, just keep it simple. Try something like:

I’m a liberal. Who’s with me?

Or,

I’m a conservative. Who’s with me?

Better yet,

I’m an Independent. Who am I with?

By Disgusted

February 10, 2008 2:30 PM | Link to this

So the righteously indignant Glenn, fresh from his indulgence in his favorite religous superstition, comes to berate some of us as cowards and others as fearmongers.

Pray tell us, Glenn, how many years of military service do you have? Or did you spend your youth in California politics, much too precious to serve in the military? Some of us come to our positions on the Iraq war honestly—with active duty military service in harm’s way as background. Others, like you, like to “support the troops,” provided their loss doesn’t affect you.

Tell you what, Glenn, I taught in college for a number of years, and I recognize a second-rate mind when I see one. For all your faux intellectual posing, you’re second-rate at best. How you earned a PhD is beyond me. It makes me ashamed of mine. I would have flunked you out before you ever acquired a master’s.

Go play with the little boys over at Luckovich’s blog.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Link to this

Hey OneForTheRoad, how many times have you liberals written a long post on a blog and have had Conservatives wail about keeping it short ONLY to say in retaliation that we Conservatives are too simple-minded to handle a long and drawn out post? My Gawd what hypocrites you people are.

By getalife

February 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

duh,

Speaking of rats jumping ship

Your party is cutting and running just like they did during the draft.

Cowards, pure and simple.

I will stay with the Clintons because they are proven winners .

You will stay the course with proven losers and cowards.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this

OneFer,

Contrary to der Ubertrolschen here, I’m not looking to get a rise out of anyone. Your questions not only are far off my point, but are too “simple” to be meaningful to me at all.

Far more interesting is your saying that you post by free-floating caprice. Presumably that caprice could as easily attach itself to an object of fear as to one of loathing or admirability.

I’m trying to get at identifying the buttons of which both Obama and Clintons seek to be The Big Pusher. The theme that runs through the self-selected group of Democrats who blog here is fear.

So I want to hear more about these fears, even if the tirade remains as thoughtful as Dorothy’s scarecrow and as brave as her lion.

There. Is a children’s book simple enough for you?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Pray tell us, Glenn, how many years of military service do you have? - brilliantly posted from “Disgusted”

Hey Glenn, that’s how a lib “debates” with you when they can’t counter what you have posted.

Marvelous thing to watch it is, the liberal mind at “work.”

By getalife

February 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

Looks like gomer probably won Washington

Losers.

Bwa.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Glenn spent his youth getting an undergrad degree in ploy sci, his masters in public administration, and his doctorate in religious studies, while spouting his zionist pro israeli nonsense. One day, I will enjoy enslaving glenn and all his family on mah plantation, he and his wife will make a team pulling a plow while his female offspring serves as, uh, upstairs maids in the Big House. Just calls me Masta, glenn.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

Dear Glenn,

Do tell me of the fear instilled in you when you were first told one of Grimm’s fairest of tales? Is that simple enough for you?

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Rufus,

Glad to see you rise to the occasion. How about providing that definition of liberal first so I can see if it is truly I to whom you have addressed your question, eh?

By Craig

February 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Link to this

Hit a nerve, didn’t I Rufus?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Glenn owns the libs here and they go nuts. What a beautiful sight to behold. LMAO.

Hey here’s some news the lib media like the Atlanta Urinal Constipation’s board won’t show you. Remember all those profits corporations are making and what political affiliation always b!tches about them (that would be the liberal demonrats)? OH and don’t even start with their b!tching over Exxon profits (gee since when did making a PROFIT become a sin in liberal utopia?). Well, here’s a link to how much Exxon paid in taxes. No, you won’t see this on PMSNBC’s Chris Matthews or the Clinton News Network. No sir.

By Chip

February 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

Just as I thought, glenn is a pseudo intellectual…imagining that it can reduce all other people to thought experiments…glenn imagines he is here to gather data for his BRAIN, but truth be told, like all pseudo intellecutals, he is here on an EGO trip. Work on that lower body strenth glenn, it will serve you well as you plow my tobacco fields…

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Link to this

Hit a nerve, didn’t I Rufus?

Like a 1-3 perfect pin hit, Craig.

How about providing that definition of liberal first so I can see if it is truly I to whom you have addressed your question, eh?

One4, thats easy:

See my 12:34, you attention-challenged lib.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Link to this

Disgusted, this is getting fun—-which is not at all what I’d intended, but hey. Others here say that I’m an idiot, so I appreciate your upgrading me to “second-rate mind.” As I have no sense of “posturing” or posing as Glenn, I must conclude that I really am either an idiot or second-rate.

The denizens of this blog already have been through the ad hominem recitation upon which you insist, so I see no point in breaking the No FaceBooking rule merely to respond to your petulent demand. In any event I certainly didn’t spend my youth in California politics; much of it was wasted in national politics (for which, as you might have deduced, I now have little use).

In spite of—-or perhaps because of—-your religious bigotry, I don’t doubt that you were a good teacher. I, however, was not. At least not according to the majority of students, who wanted a charismatic lecturer (rather like Barry Obama) rather than a fellow learner who insisted stubbornly that nothing would happen in class if they didn’t help each other to master their various syllabi.

I have done, and am now doing, a great deal more for both serving and deactivated personnel than to “support” them, though I’m thankful for and admire those who do that much. Your chickenhawking that loogie at me is just one of your several misperceptions, and I can’t see what it, or any display of academic prowess whatever, has to do with the issues to which you responded so fitfully.

When, may I ask, did your powers of perception begin to fail you?

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 3:11 PM | Link to this

Does one fear the cracks in one’s facade? Does one proudly display those cracks for all to see or conceal them with a fresh coat of plaster? Does the real truth-seeker so readily reveal the truth of the fear he seeks? No. For he who falsely seeks the truth of the fears cannot handle the truth.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Check out Hillarity picking her nose. Gross.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Sorry Rufus,

You must have been look for another user of my label. Feel free to try again though.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Chip,

You really have been conpicuously reduced to cheapshotting, as Rufus points out.

Actually the reason I asked is because a friend of mine who teaches Poli. Sci. in Westwood was thinking along similar lines, in her own statistical way, and we got curious enough to want to ask you guys outright, Why all the fear driving this campaign?

We both understood the explosion of fear in 1982, when the Freeze Movement burgeoned as Reagan rattled his nuclear sabres, but this present “crisis of confidence” is one of the several surprises of this campaign. The whole trick to this campaign is to figure out what’s making the bod polly so furious. Our hypothesis is that it’s fear-driven. So, next question is, fear of what truly, and whence?

Were we French we’d be stomping cats in the street or shaving the heads of harlots by now. What’s it all about, Chippy?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

This year’s presidential campaign coverage, especially of the Democratic contest, is much more about identity group politics – the politics of race, class and gender – than about the candidates’ character, values and policy plans.

Well strike me upside the head with a bat and call my mother names. That’s news or something coming from the mentality of liberal demonrats? Well, we need to be on guard, because according to the Chinese, this is the year of the RAT.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

OneFer,

He who eat fortune cookie knows not a single truth that anyone but a liberal couldn’t “handle”.

Liberals believe that humankind can, through scientifically guided social meliorism, achieve collective perfection. The truth that liberals cannot “handle” is that their very efforts to achieve this seemingly noble end have shown that further effort can lead only to death and suffering on a massive scale.

The truth that American liberal and “progressive” members of the Democratic Party can’t “handle” is Orwell’s: “The Party seeks power for its own sake.”

Puts them at a loss, you see. When their emperors are seen as naked power enfleshed, they have nowhere else to turn.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

Our hypothesis is that it’s fear-driven. So, next question is, fear of what truly, and whence? - Glenn

Since the liberal demonrats here will be too cowardly to answer, I’ll answer the question for them without spinning off into a mindless rant about military service like a bedwetter.

It is a fear of losing control.

It is a fear that the individual will have power to make decisions irrespective of any policies set forth or supported by the liberal left.

It is a fear that their own ideology of classic neo-Stalinist liberalism isn’t the majority ideology in this nation.

It is their ideological xenophobic fear that there are actually people out there that don’t think like them (and they have to gall to call Conservatives closed-minded).

It is the fear that corporations will actually make a profit and be able to choose to do with THEIR MONEY what they wish.

It is the fear that people will have choices on where to send their children to school, be it a government institution, private institution, or home schooling.

It is a fear that individuals in this nation will not be reliant on liberal “assistance” and actually be able to make their own choices and take care of themselves without any liberal “help” from their god, government.

Ultimately, it is a fear of the very thing THEY proclaim to be for: FREEDOM.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Superdelegates are democrats only. Joe Lieberman lost his superdelegate status when he endorsed McCain. The GOP has a set number of delegates not bound by primary results too, but only democrats are referred to as superdelegates.

How many of you uber-pudwankers knew about superdelegates, or their role in determining the actual candidate at the convention?

The Superdelegate rule was instituted in 1980 as a backlash reaction to changes that began in 1968 which were supposed to make the nominee the one who got the most votes. Instead, the Party wanted a return to the pre-1968 days where some delegates had more influence based on their resume and celebrity, and personality, and arm twisting skills, etc.

Why is everyone glossing over this superdelegate bombshell that came out of nowhere? Everybody is like, Superdelegates? Oh Yeah, superdelegates. Sure. I know. Super-dele-gates. No problem. Yes, got it.

WHAT? You total phonies, you have no idea about our electoral processes. You’re all such pudwits that I cant even stand it anymore. You bumbling idiots. You stupid fools. You fatheaded nincompoops…(Peter Lorre, Maltese Falcon 1941)

By AmVet

February 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this

Hi all. Busy painting, but wanted to stop in for just a sec.

Glenn, I don’t subscribe to the (apparently popular!) claim you’re an idiot.

Au contraire fellow bloggers.

He is by a large point of magnitude the most rational and relevant of “adversaries” I have ever found on these blogs.

Just a point of order on that anti-semitic derivative that is so widely used among American society as a whole. I know I, for one, terribly overuse the hated term, neo-con, but as you can guess, Mr. Gilbert, it is for effect as much as anything.

Just as Truman had to take extreme measures against the yellow horde, and I have found that fighting extreme right wingers with cogency and lucidity is in many (most?) cases futile.

Force feeding the name hijackers, sloganeers and mantra chanters with their own medicine is good fun, and if they can’t see the “results” it brings then I say call me a Pinko. (Well at least they could show an ounce of creativity and contrive some new and much more interesting epithets!)

Back to my old friend - manual labor!

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

“I know that you do not believe me, but what you don’t realize in that in the back of the bird is—-“

—-Peter Lorre, Maltese Falcon

[And who’d have expected that man to have such a beautiful daughter, by the way?]

PoFo, We really ought to go into the DNC rules in detail. They are looking more than usually rigged for the Establishment candidate.

The only reason I knew about Superdelegates is that I used to work for one. Other than that I’m mostly at a loss, and am esp. rusty on the Dem side, which of course is considerably more complicated than the GOP process is.

That is ominous, what you point out. We really ought to bone up before this convention. Like reading Jane Austin before you see this season’s movie. Year of the Rat or no, this thing already stinks from afar.

By Buzz the BBiitch Slaper

February 10, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

Glenn aka “With enough shovels, we can all survive wwiii.” THAT SURE PUTS MY MIND TO REST, AH WILL SLEEP WELL TONIGHT, KNOWING I HAVE THREE OR FOUR GOOD SHOVELS IN THE BASEMENT.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

This is rich. The mayor of Berkley, the fortress of insane liberalism and marxist demonrats, has to apologize. For what, you ask? Glad you asked:

As six Republican senators devised a plan to yank $2.3 million in federal funding for Berkeley programs, the mayor of the famously liberal city apologized Wednesday for his hard stance against a Marine recruiting center.

This is the modern moveon.org left that is reflective of the majority of liberal demonrats. Any time you see one of those moonbats question military service of ANYONE, just think about this link, this area, and this way of life out there. It is, after all, a reflection of how the true modern left views this nation, our military, and our military and economic power. That is Pelosi territory in more ways than one. Know it.

By Buzz the BBiitch Slaper

February 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

Objecting to american jews arranging for Washington to give tens of billions of my tax dollars to israel each and every year is not anti semitism, its just good plain common sense. Jews hiding behind anti semitism are just plain anti-everyone else, while stealing everyone else’s money for their pet country. Steal from me long enough, and rub my nose in it enough, and I will indeed become antisemitic, and you will not like that one little bit, as I am of Germam blood….We do not play around with liars and thieves….

By TW

February 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Any time you see one of those moonbats question military service of ANYONE

Much better to be a good little republican sheep, spending life on his knees in front of the frat boy commander in chief…don’t think - just swallow…

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

Not sure what a slaper is, but if slaping bbiitches is your desire, I guess there’s nothing a liberal would want to do about it. We all have our desires, after all.

Should you ever run short of shovels, try following the bridge money Hillary put up last week. You’ll be handed a shovel for free. Or try asking why Barack Obama why he seeks the support of a labor union known only for its proficiency at eating children and belching pay raises. That one’s good for a free shovel too. Or try asking why the DNC gave its people in New Hampshire the green light to bail out Huckabee financially. Free shovel.

That’s three extra shovels, guaranteed. With lots more where they came from.

As for the prospect of a global conflagration, I’d rather die a human being than live long as a swine.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this

He who partakes of the fortune cookie gets what he deserves — a list of numbers with the same probability of winning as any other set that has been randomly selected.

Rufus defines all the fears of the liberal mindset as though they were his own.

Glenn. Now there’s a more complex nut to crack. The constantly changing — and seemingly evasive — shell is not to be so readily confined within the fixed shape of the nutcracker.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

TW, George Bush and I are both sheep. Which are you? Sheep? Sheepdog? Goat? Wolf?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Link to this

Much better to be a good little republican sheep, spending life on his knees in front of the frat boy commander in chief…don’t think - just swallow… -TW

Spoken like a true intellect of the pathetic left. I had a problem with Bush after he kissed liberal demonrat as-s post 9/11 and never vetoing anything they brought to the table. That said, he was still better than those frauds Kerry & Breck girl Edwards. And don’t get me going on that junkie science psuedo professor, Owl Gore. If I had wanted a demonrat in office, minus tax cuts and a war against radical islamic terrorism that Bush supports, I’d have voted for one.

Try again, TW. I know it’s hard for you ugly pathetic liberal demonrats to not make insults and sexual innuendos, but I’ll give you another money shot opportunity, so to speak. Go ahead, boy, fire away.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this

hey, it’s the pro bowl, I’m here for Manning, you dont have to audition for Idol everytime you sing the national anthem. Get over yourself. What is wrong with people?

How many pro bowls do you bother with? It’s manning.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Rufus defines all the fears of the liberal mindset as though they were his own.

One4, congratulations on paying attention! Those attributes of liberalism ARE a fear of “my own.” I live in the real world, not some made up liberal Neverland utopian pipe dream where there is no pain, no death, no rich, no poor, no global warming by sun activity, no SUVs, no greedy profit mongering corporations, and absolute global peace where nobody wants to destroy us.

Yes. A I have a genuine FEAR for what the future of America would be like under pathetic liberal demonrat power.

By Political Foreskin

February 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this

I’m already bored with the pro bowl. Just doesn’t work.

By Craig

February 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this

Hey Rufus, you might wanna be careful there - you get that goo spit all over your computer screen and it’s hard to get clean again.

By TW

February 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Link to this

Geeeeez, Rufus…touched a nerve, did I? Maybe stepping out of your closet might throw a little happy into your step? You vicarious tough guys are hysterical:-)

Glenn - sorry to see you catching so much crap lately. The wise Glenn of the pre-Giuliani implode days doesn’t seem to show his head much anymore. Did I read correctly the other day that you actually allowed that Tom character to rile you to the point of wanting to throw blows? Or has someone name jacked you?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

Craig: thanks for the Bill Clinton reference. I expect nothing less from you disgusting flaming liberal demonrats.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

See, al-Gitmo, the rats are jumping off of the USS Klanner now:

{{{{Clinton’s campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, left the position today, to be replaced by Clinton’s former top White House aide, Maggie Williams.}}}}

{{{{ADIÓS: HILLARY CANS TOP LATINA…}}}}

Glug, glug, glug, here that water rising?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

TW-

Don’t kid yourself bro (or sis). I don’t take things personally when it comes from liberal demonrats like you. Hysterical? Meh, I’m just passionate with what I believe in.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this

In this real world, Rufus, what would your pipe dream consist of? One in which your fears subside? What would it take — the destruction of all who think differently. You think of me as a liberal because I don’t speak your language but I don’t fear you as a result. Well, here’s some more food for you to munch on: I voted for Carter, Reagan, and Bush (both of them). I didn’t serve in the military. I was classified as 1A. I was not going to volunteer but I was not going to “run away” either. The draft ended before I had to go to war. I don’t think I ever feared going though. I also don’t fear reprisals from bloggers. So, take your best cheap shots.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

LMAO. Now the Nancy Pelosi San Francisco moonbat liberal demonrats want to turn Alcatraz into a peace center.

“Perhaps we haven’t reached the proper stage of enlightenment yet, but we’re more inclined to support propositions with defined sources of funding attached to them,” sayeth the Sanfransicko Hair Follicle. Here’s some real enlightenment, liberal demonrat peaceniks: go stick your global peace center in Tehran where it belongs with the rest of you apologists.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

One in which your fears subside? What would it take — the destruction of all who think differently.

Why so defensive, One4? You mean, One4, like those of you on the left who are hell bent, no, WISHING for the disappearance of Conservatives, you know, THOSE that don’t think like YOU?

As for the rest of your diatribe, I don’t care who you voted for or what you support. I’ve been around blogs long enough to smell out a liberal demonrat. Whether or not you have the guts to admit that which you are is really not a concern of mine. See my 11:04 post to help clear up any misconceptions you may have about me, especially the last sentence.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this

Panhandler losers earn big bux. That’s no surprise. Of course, when someone b!tches about them and calls them “aggressive” and wants laws to have them taken off the streets it’s just being mean, hateful, or at best, racist. After all, these people have rights too. Liberalism folks. Read the tea leaves and vote accordingly for the future of America. Your Founding Fathers will thank you.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

How come the Pro Bowl doesn’t work, PoFo?

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Link to this

My Plan for Shared Prosperity - by Hillary Clinton

Keep in mind here that “shared” is a common phrase by neo-Stalinist socialist liberals like Hillary who feel that what YOU have is not really YOURS. Any questions? See the closing comment in my 12:34 today.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

China is battling its coldest winter in 100 years. Some how, some way, I just KNOW the liberal global warming mongers are going to find a way to blame this on global warming - you know, that sun-made activity that’s being blamed on mankind (minus what China and India do of course, at least according to Kyoto).

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Link to this

TW, thanks for the backhanded compliment, I guess. But we’re on orders to get over ourselves.

Yeah, that one was yerztrooly warning Tom not to call people “racists” in this venue with any degree of specificity. Not good for anyone. The AJC has enough of a penchant for sticking its foot in it as it is, without people getting verbally violent when Allah knows who is watching, other than Tom and two of his 17 year-old friends from the debate team.

The “bigot” thing was cool, though. I always liked that word. What is it, oenomatopoeia? They shouldn’t drink wine at that age.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Where’d all the libs go? Did we chase the pinko skirts back to the powder room again? Awwwwe.

By Curtis Lowe

February 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Link to this

Rufus be a dufus, your high school style sounds familiar. Post here as someone else much?

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

OK. That’s one, Rufus. Now, I’ll need at least two more cheap shots in order to determine which one is your best cheap shot. Keep trying. Don’t let me down.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHA! And wastedlife has the gall to talk about REPUBLICAN problems.

Curtis Lowe, a.k.a Skynard fan: I know, I know, we neocons all sound alike and take our orders from our God, Rush. I know, I know. What smart people you jackals on the liberal left are.

By Luckoduh

February 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this

Looks like Obama is going to stick another one up Ku Klux’s rear end:

{{{{Maine- DEM (59% reporting) KKKlinton 42% Obama 57%}}}}

Bwa.

By Glenn

February 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this

I think they are, Rufus. The People…more independent and intelligent than most preening liberal voters are. Liberal voters tend to have heads schull of discredited relativisms and emotive fantasies that get them variously confused when they think about what they deem politics.

The American People, on the other hand, are practical and full of hard-earned common sense. They’re so media-savvy they’re sick of it.

Twain said that “The People will vote for whatever forked thing the Party put up.” But not this time.

The Dems should have gone for democracy—-workplace democracy, educational democracy, grassroots democracy, the revival and modernization of the labor movements—-but no, they went with Mayan Observatories and wheatgrass colonics instead.

By OneForTheRoad

February 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Link to this

Rufus,

As usual you disappoint. My daughter was hoping for more from you for her class tomorrow. Try again, won’t you. Please. Pretty please.

By Rufus

February 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

As usual you disappoint. My daughter was hoping for more from you for her class tomorrow.

One4, again, you think I really give a sh!t what you pathetic liberal demonrats think? WTF are you continuing to read my posts for? WTF are you doing continuing to respond to me? Killin’ time are we? Methinks I have the likes of your panties in such a wad that you can’t NOT read any of my posts.

Oh, I won’t be back tomorrow. I have a real job and, like, pay real taxes that you greedy socialist neo-Stalinist liberals want more of. Stick a fork in it liberal, you all got owned today. Sweet.