Thinking Right

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 8:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{I’d welcome a president who knows them, who understands without glorifying the mundane, who connects — who knows firsthand how utterly dishonorable it would be to abandon a cause for which good men and women have died. A president who can be their voice to people who don’t really know them, can ensure that they are not strangers whose sacrifices are betrayed to arbitrary timetables and political expediency.-Wooten}}}}

The demokrat’s position on the war is the one that will supply the most votes for them in the primaries, pure and simple.

They could care less what happens to the people of Iraq and the Middle East or our national security.

You read every day about Islamic savages blowing up and ethnically cleansing innocent people in parts of the world that America is not even involved in.

We are going to fight this war whether we like or not, no matter if we stay and fight or run and surrender

And people are going to die no matter what we decide to do.

So do we give up our strategic gains in the Middle East and make a small group of spineless pacifists happy or do we continue killing terrorists?

When the scumbags from al Qaeda have been reduced to only having women with Down’s syndrome and ten year old boys, unwitting victims all, to carry out their atrocities, it should tell you how close we are to being rid of these murderous thugs and make the decision a pretty simple one to understand.

McCain 08.

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Good news from Iraq that the Urinal refuses to report because it is bad news for them:

{{{{The Iraqi Army found two kidnap victims and Coalition Forces killed three al-Qaeda in Iraq operatives and detained seven suspected AQI during Operation Blackhawk Thrasher near Qubah, approximately four miles northeast of Zaganiyah, Iraq, Feb. 7. This is part of the countrywide Operation Phantom Phoenix.}}}} {{{{During the joint operation, which involved the Iraqi Army, Iraqi Police and Soldiers from 2nd Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, Coalition Forces detained seven suspected AQI during village clearing operations. One AQI was killed by an Air Weapons Team and two more were killed in a firefight with CF in palm groves directly west of Qubah.}}}}

That’s three more terrorists that will not be blowing up any children in this world.

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Free White Power Kampaign ads, skirting the boundaries of McBushie-Feingold:

{{{{A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC reporter could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton’s participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.-Urinal}}}}

{{{{Ask any Hillary-hater what specifically she did so wrong in any of the Clintons’ so-called scandals, and watch him stammer and blink.-Urinal Vent (Yeah, right.)}}}}

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Read this story and tell me if it makes any sense at all to you or does it seem like some rambling pinko conspiracy theory meant only to justify this screaming front page headline:

Science censored at CDC?-Urinal

Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now?

Here’s how the headline would read if the libs had a shred of honesty about themselves:

You can live in these trailers for hundreds of years and never get sick, but since this can be pinned on Bushie, then let’s form a huge mindless wasteful kommittee, manufacture news stories for years on end and have our pinko house organ the AJC throw around ridiculous headlines to make Repugs seem like backwoods neanderthals.

Thank you for your continued support in our efforts to waste the governments time.

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Another Urinal story only a “nuanced” lib can understand:

{{{{Lenders wary of new coal plants- Three of the nation’s biggest investment banks have introduced an unprecedented set of lending guidelines that could make it harder for energy companies to get financing for coal-fired power plants, while encouraging lending for renewable energy plants.}}}}

Blah, blah, blah, hundreds of mindless babbling words with not one single solitary mention of what the hell they mean by renewable energy.

When ever liberalism gets involved you will find an industry mired in idiocy, with We the People being the ones that pick up the tab.

Not to mention they are arguing over junk science:

{{{{Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore’s mythical “consensus.” Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.}}}}

{{{{Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.}}}}

{{{{And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming.}}}}

Silly liberals, just imagine how much money they’ve wasted on this global warming scare, how much of this crap have they forced into the minds of our children replacing their basic education with grievance mongering, just like any other of their stupid junk science hysterias, what a waste of research and funding, we could have been working on real problems.

But no, the endless wild goose chases of the Godless heathen liberals trying to replace the religion missing from their lives with some pointless feel good animal worshipping.

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demokrats using the government to fund political activities, no matter what the cost or consequences:

{{{{Every specific charge against Mr. Krongard was examined and refuted in a report by the committee minority. And as Mr. Krongard noted, he was not a big political donor, had never met President Bush, and had never been to the White House except as a tourist. Yet none of these facts interfered with Mr. Suckie Face Waxman’s public smears that Mr. Krongard’s “partisan political ties” had led him to “halt investigations, censor reports, and refuse to cooperate with law-enforcement agencies.”}}}}

{{{{Mr. Suckie Face Waxman doesn’t much care if any of this is true, because his larger goal is to send a message to every Inspector General in government: They answer to him. Mr. SF Waxman expects them to tee up political scandals in the executive branch and serve as witnesses for his prosecution whether or not the facts support it. Mr. Krongard’s mistake was telling the truth.}}}}

Correct me if I’m wrong but everyday I hear the Code Pinkos whining about “change” and ending the political decisiveness but do their actions back up their words?

By Craig

February 9, 2008 8:10 AM | Link to this

By any reasonable standard, the Bush efforts in the Middle East have made us less safe. McCain wants to continue those for another “100 years”. If you loved the last few years, as Mr. Wooten has, then by all means vote for St. John.

If you think it’s time to go after the people who attacked us and bring them to justice, rather than playing at war as Bush has done, then it’s time for a change.

By Curious Observer

February 9, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Here we go again—four more years of standoff between a Democratic Congress and a stubborn Republican president. The Democrats, with the presidency practically handed to them in gift wrapping, have managed to find the only way to stay in the wilderness—an internecine war between the finalists for the nomination, aided and abetted by a stupid decision to exclude the delegates of two of the most populous states in the union.

There is no way out of this morass for the Democrats. If they allow the super-delegates to decide the nomination, seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan anyway, or conduct a re-vote in those two states, they alienate the youths, blacks, and white men favoring Obama. If Obama somehow wins the nomination, they lose the votes of the Hispanics and white men.

You can take this to the bank: McCain, with his terrible temper and stubborn ways, will not bend to the will of Congress, nor will he compromise once he has made up his mind, especially since he needs the support of the right wing. Nothing will get done about healthcare or the war. If you think Congress and the president are at war now, just wait to see what a real war looks like.

Congratulations, Democratic Party. You have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

By jbmlaw

February 9, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Great post, Luckoduh. As Jim notes, Mitt’s gracious resignation made an strong argument for supporting Sen. McCain, even without mentioning the name of the latter (as the leftist press repeats ad nauseum.) As with all of my conservative brethren, I am disappointed that we are yet again exiled (we will celebrate our 20th year in Babylon). If Sen. McCain is true to his word on judicial appointments, we can work with him.

Now my unrelated note, to pick up on an argument of Luckoduh: who here is amazed that the leftist press is destressed that 27 year old Chelsea is described as “pimped out” while Juanita Broaderick continues to recover her life in silence. No standards at all on the left.

By Ray

February 9, 2008 8:55 AM | Link to this

I wonder what planet Cynthia Tucker is living on. In her own “give away the farm” stance, she is advocating universal amnesty for the 12 or so million felons in this country that are here illegally. Any good, survivable democracy is a nation of laws. These “poor unfortunates” are overburdening most of the infrastructure in the communities where they live, including schools, hospitals, social services and criminal justice to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars of tax money paid by you and me. All for some contractor or landscaper being able to hire “cheap” labor to make more money or put grapes on your table at 15 or so cents a pound cheaper. This labor is anything but cheap. Not obeying our laws will be the downfall of all of us. I wonder why Cynthia and the rest of her liberal buddies don’t get it.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

{{{{“President Bush is being criticized because his inaugural celebration cost $40 million. When asked about it, the president said, ‘Sorry, but my daughters insisted on an open bar.’” –Conan O’Brien, PMSNBC}}}}

{{{{“A huge family night for the Bush family. This morning the Bush twins woke up in Lincoln’s lap.” —David Letterman}}}}

{{{{“The big inaugural was yesterday and yesterday President Bush’s mother — Barbara Bush — brought a camera and was taking pictures the whole time. When asked why she said ‘because my grand daughters won’t remember any of this tomorrow’” —Conan O’Brien}}}}

{{{{“Security is a big issue this year. So the Secret Service announced that people attending President Bush’s inaugural ceremony will not be allowed to bring coolers or alcoholic beverages. In other words, the Bush twins will not be going.” —Conan O’Brien}}}}

{{{{“They say that the security arrangements for the up coming presidential inauguration will be the most extensive in history. And that’s just to keep the Bush twins away from the champagne.” —Craig Ferguson}}}}

Bush Girls Gone Wild

Yeah, real funny.

Once again we have another of the KKKlintons crying for themselves.

Poor little things, ahhh.

By OneForTheRoad

February 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Link to this

Well, Jim.

Sacrificing principles can be tough. I hope your constitution can endure the stress of sacrificing more and more and more until finally landing on McCain. Then again, what’s a principled person to do if not make sacrifices when dealing with politics, eh?

Here’s to endurance. [Followed by a swig of coffee, straight up and piping hot. Aaaahhhhhh.]

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 9:05 AM | Link to this

Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now?

What else would you call it? Market research? Tiddlywinks? Free-floating opinion, like saying you can live in a FEMA trailer for a hundred years without getting sick?

Really, it’s disturbing to see the systematic censorship and just outright dismissal of science in the Bush administration.

jbmlaw, Juanita Broderick’s accusations were certainly disturbing. However, they are not connected to the “pimping out” comments on Chelsea Clinton. The latter is about media bias, and commentary that goes out of bounds. The accusations of rape against Bill Clinton do not justify referring to his daughter as “pimped out” when she is legitimately campaigning for her mother, who was not accused of rape. They aren’t justified in any way, period. Bringing up old rape charges is a way of dodging responsibility.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:11 AM | Link to this

Well Ray,

When the Department of Justice refused to prosecute contempt charges, water boarding but the UN does and illegal spying, they should give them amnesty.

Hell, they should open up the prisons and let out the millions. When they start prosecuting this criminal administration, you might have a point but until then quit whining about amnesty.

By catlady

February 9, 2008 9:13 AM | Link to this

Well, on the plus side, if McCain were to be elected, he has shown the needed “flexibility”, hasn’t he?

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

• DAY 8: No Child Left Unsold

This is so much like Rudy in a dress! Nice pumps, Jim, but she still isn’t pretty.

Your thesis: Mr. McCain’s having survived his shootdown followed by years of captivity and even torture “steels” him for the Presidency? And for what would his bravery steel him as President? For scaring our enemies and for running the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs from a bully pulpit.

[You might have chosen titanium over steel. In one way, it can be even stronger; in the other, it snaps.]

I can’t think there’s much question but that he would scare our enemies. As for Vets Affairs, frankly it’s difficult to limn your arguments.

You say “the media are torn between whether to treat them [you seem to be referring to decommissioned veterans, though earlier you name serving “military”] all as heroes or as emotionally damaged victims who need our sympathy and considerable therapy”, when in real life “most are neither”. So send for John McCain, you cry, for it is he “who knows them”, who “connects” and “understands”.

I’m flummoxed. How is it that John McCain is uniquely suited to empathize with those who are neither heroes nor damaged veterans warranting considerable therapy, when he himself was both?

Isn’t it more likely that those of us civilians in the habit of offering simple respect and thoughtfulness—-and help where needed and asked for—-to serving personnel and to veterans are rather more proximate in experience than John McCain is to those who are neither heroes nor walking wounded.

In any event, as part of his extensive program of governmental action, Mr. McCain has promised to expand greatly the USDVA—-in the interest of making it more sympathetic, in part to those warranting “considerable therapy”.

That part, at least, is definitely a Glamor DO.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:22 AM | Link to this

duh,

This is what happening to the women in Iraq nut job:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — The images in the Basra police file are nauseating: Page after page of women killed in brutal fashion — some strangled to death, their faces disfigured; others beheaded. All bear signs of torture.

The women are killed, police say, because they failed to wear a headscarf or because they ignored other “rules” that secretive fundamentalist groups want to enforce.

“Fear, fear is always there,” says 30-year-old Safana, an artist and university professor. “We don’t know who to be afraid of. Maybe it’s a friend or a student you teach. There is no break, no security. I don’t know who to be afraid of.”

Her fear is justified. Iraq’s second-largest city, Basra, is a stronghold of conservative Shia groups. As many as 133 women were killed in Basra last year — 79 for violation of “Islamic teachings” and 47 for so-called honor killings, according to IRIN, the news branch of the U.N.’s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs….

“We thought there would be freedom and democracy and women would have their rights. But all the things we were promised have not come true. There is only fear and horror.”

And that is why the gop will get crushed in the general.

Now kindly, go have sex with yourself you pathetic pro death war monger.

By @@

February 9, 2008 9:23 AM | Link to this

O.K. Jim, I can, with reluctance, support McCain.

I could not, in all good conscience, criticize the left for their selfish pursuit of all things domestic, while ignoring freedom for Iraqis.

I have issues with McCain on the domestic front, but not with his stance on Iraq. Besides, I think he scares the hello out of Iran.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Iran is ready for a new round of negotiations over security in Iraq with the United States after Feb. 11, RIA Novosti reported Feb. 8. “We did express our readiness for entering into negotiations with the U.S. when talks were held by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany over Iran’s nuclear program,” Mottaki said in an interview on Iranian television.

It seems they’d rather deal with Bush than McCain.

Oliver North says it best:

WASHINGTON — When it sailed from Simon’s Bay near Cape Town, South Africa, on Feb. 25, 1852, under the command of Capt. Robert Salmond, the British paddle wheel frigate HMS Birkenhead was loaded with more than 640 men, women and children. Mostly, however, the passengers were British soldiers, their horses and ammunition. Their destination was Algoa Bay, South Africa, as reinforcements for Sir Harry Smith in the eighth campaign of the Kaffir War.

*Several hours after sailing, the Birkenhead struck a rock at Danger Point in the dead of night and was instantly in distress. While many of the military men sleeping below decks drowned immediately, others who reached the main deck were told to maintain order and discipline. As the ship took on water at a brisk pace, the lifeboats were lowered, but only three of them could be used because of mechanical problems. Though he did not utter the phrase as we know it today, it was at this point in the disaster that Salmond instituted the great maritime emergency tradition to save women and children first. His troops assisted the women and children on the sinking vessel in boarding the few available lifeboats, and all of them were rescued eventually. Most of the soldiers and sailors went down with the ship.

*The natural instinct of civilized human beings is to protect those who are more vulnerable in the face of danger. Civilized cultures have placed women on a pedestal not because they are less capable but because we honor them and hold them in a special place in our society.

Not so with radical Islamists. They treat women as chattel and they abuse children. Just as it is becoming increasingly incumbent upon the Iraqi people to take responsibility for their government and their future, it is increasingly imperative that responsible Muslims take a stand for human decency.

As al-Qaida’s prospects for military victory continue to sink in Iraq, the terrorists there have turned Salmond’s time-honored tradition of chivalry and honor on its head.

Last week, Iraqi terrorists outfitted two Muslim women with Down syndrome with IEDs and dispatched them into a busy al-Ghazi pet market in Baghdad’s Jadida section. When the women reached a location where their bomb-laden bodies would cause the greatest carnage, the IEDs were detonated remotely by a cowardly Islamic radical. Apparently, al-Qaida is running short of mentally competent volunteers who want to murder fellow Muslims in the process of becoming “martyrs” for Allah.

By NOW

February 9, 2008 9:36 AM | Link to this

The National Organization for Women (NOW) does not endorse the exploitation of developmentally disabled women as explosive devices.

NOW does recognize that the women of Iraq remain endangered by forces summoned by George W. Bush’s tragic war on that nation.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

“To Republicans: Conservatism Has Failed. Deal With It”

You guys controlled the While House and Congress for 6 years. The country saw what you want to accomplish and are experiencing the impact of your policies. And guess what? THEY THINK CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT STINKS.

Let’s start with the big one.

No one likes Iraq. Between the shifting rationale for the war, the ever-increasing cost, the continued loss of American lives and the Iraqi’s inability to form any kind of meaningful government, Iraq was a bad idea all the way around. Period. Spin it how you like, you’re going to come up with the same answer.

Terry Schiavo: This was by far the clearest indication of what the religious right will do if they attain power. And it isn’t pretty. Let’s tackle this by showing how clearly this situation violated literally every core Republican belief.

“Republicans believe in state’s right.” This situation was litigated for years at the state level, in an area of law that traditionally has happened at the state level. The religious right didn’t like the result, so they made it a federal issue.

“Republicans believe in individual rights.” Schiavo’s husband demonstrated in court that his wife wanted to die should her then current situation happen to her. That was her individual choice. A judge agreed. The religious right decided that just wasn’t good enough.

“Limited Federal Government”. The Republicans used the federal government to interject themselves into a family matter.

Katrina: This is what happens when people who don’t like government and don’t think it can work are put in charge.

The economy: The Republicans — the party of fiscal conservatism — have added an additional $3.2 trillion dollars to the federal debt. They have created an economy build on debt at the consumer level and hoped to leave office before the secret got out. Well, the secret got out and people have figured out it was a giant illusion.

Here’s the point: every policy that the Republicans have initiated has fallen apart. It doesn’t work plain and simple. The Republicans wonder why there’s an enthusiasm gap? Even Republican voters realize they’re failed. Only the hard-core 30% Republican supporters are hanging on right now. Fine — let them. It’s their choice.

Every “true conservative” Republican candidate has failed. The reason? Conservative polities don’t work. You guys are trying to sell a typewriter in a word processor world.

When Republican are in charge

— they are nothing more than power hungry spendthrifts who will add hundreds of billions to the national debt

— they will lie to go to war (despite most of you never serving in the military yourself)

— they will use the Federal government to interject themselves into personal family matters if their religious right leaders want them to.”

It goes on and on and on but you get the point.

By @@

February 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Well Howdy! I’d like to throw some support, not my vote, Ralphie’s way.

Alone, Nader still has huge name recognition and a large and faithful following. If he is joined by the larger social movements, and by the working families so threatened by the acts of a Democratic Congress and Republican president, he could turn that solid base into a powerful campaign for the people insuring that the people’s concerns are addressed. At best, that could be turned into a three way race that would for the first time in a century give the progressive left a much needed face lift, opening up the prospect of building a mass, independent political force to the left of the Democrats. Ask yourself, why do Democratic Party politicians take you for granted? Why do they count on your votes but ignore your needs? Why do they talk like they care about you but act like they care a lot more about your boss? Could it be that you are so utterly dependable to them that they simply have no need to do any more than pretend to address your interests? They make you the same promises election year after election year, yet the rich keep getting richer, the poor, poorer, and the peace, labor, woman’s, minorities’, environmental, and other people’s agendas keep getting the short shrift.

If you are able to recognize that the Democratic Party slander campaign against Ralph Nader is part and parcel with other corporate strategies, like their union busting strategy or their subtle use of racism, sexism and classism to divide us from one another, then you’ll be ready too.

Ralph definitely knows what the Democrats are about.

Go Nader!

By Carl

February 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush cost McCain the election in 2000.

George W. Bush will cost McCain the election in 2008.

Thanks to the silence of true conservatives, ‘Republican’ is now synonymous with ‘Loser.’ And if there’s one thing Americans detest more than a liberal – it’s a loser.

Game over.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:02 AM | Link to this

geta, you left out “the sanctity of marriage”.

When your spouse makes decisions for you, that’s okay, unless intruding on the family would bring political gain. Then, the sacred bond of marriage takes a back seat to the Florida legislature, Bill Frist’s opinion gathered by videotape, and right-wingers in search of activist judges to interpret the law to their liking. Thank goodness they ran out of them.

The Schiavo business should never, ever be forgotten.

By @@

February 9, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

This is interesting!

If there were any justice in the journalistic world, this must-read Washington Post dispatch from inside Iraq’s Sunni insurgency would be on the front page, above the fold. Instead, it’s buried on A13.

“We do not deny the difficulties we are facing right now,” said Riyadh al-Ogaidi, a senior leader, or emir, of al-Qaeda in Iraq in the Garma region of eastern Anbar province. “The Americans have not defeated us, but the turnaround of the Sunnis against us had made us lose a lot and suffer very painfully.”

Ogaidi said the total number of al-Qaeda in Iraq members across the country has plummeted from about 12,000 in June 2007 to about 3,500 today…

Look at ^^^ that Getalife…Iraqis want the freedom to smoke and drink just like you!

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Link to this

Curious One,

You’re right. It is quite possible that the “stubborn” McCain would refuse to bend to the will of Congress. That is, on the off chance that the GOP regains control of Congress.

As for McCain as “stubborn”, I don’t know. His surprisingly tin ear for politics set up an opportunity for him to display, in his refusal to prioritize border security, a tendency to sheer obstinacy—-a refusal to face evidence requiring a course correction, abandonment or reversal. Stubbornness is Amundsen and Shackleford; obstinacy, Scott and McCain.

Ray,

“What planet is Cynthia Tucker living on?” Some musical friends in Athens tell me She’s from Planet AJC! Didn’t you know of Cynthia’s reknown for raising and airing and discussing and even opining about “issues” others feared discussing decades ago?

That’s her job, Ray, her honorable calling. Criticize her now, if you like, but just remember: the next time the world cries out for someone to take a stand at last on child labor or school segregation or the Crown’s tax on tea, Cynthia Tucker will be your fearless champion from Planet AJC!

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Link to this

It is, to me, quite interesting to read how our esteemed columnist, and the more rabidly illogical regulars here, now drink of the McCain Koolaid and hope not to throw up in their well used mouths.

No one with their eyes open, believes even for a moment that these most partisan and unreasonable “new” Republicans, i.e. “the base”, have yet learned even the first of many to come and ever worsening lessons.

To wit, Mr. Wooten, IF Senator McCain makes the COLOSSAL mistake of enjoing another chickenhawk/Bushbot, such as Haley Barbour for instance, the Senator from Arizona can almost assuredly say bye bye to the very people who can ensure his election.

Certainly he knows that, but will he be strong armed by the still remaining Karl Rove elements of the GOP power structure to engage in that self-destructive behavior anyway? We’ll see soon enough, won’t we?

I think JW also understands that, yet still chooses to live in an almost childish “swift boat conservative” dream world where one can continue supporting obviously failed men and their now largely repudiated agendas, hoping beyond hope, that repackaging it will fool the American electorate yet again.

I think not.

So like some sort of demented swallows returning to San Jaun Capistrano these charlatans and the “faithful” simply cannot help themselves. And therefore, inanely keep desperately trying to hang on to this incompetent and unreasonable faux conservatism as a legitimate basis for effective American political policy.

And that may ultimately be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time.

By Chip

February 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Luckoduh is a neo con scum bag…No more American tax dollars for israel…The zionist steal ten billion dollars plus from american tax payers each and every year, and when the public started to complain, arranged to hide the amount from the public..As Israeli State Secrets…The zionists in congress went along, so we taxpayers are being robbed and kept blind…

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

Excellent example of the libs taking their own propaganda and running with it:

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 9:05 AM Test results for formaldehyde exposure is science now? What else would you call it?}}}}

Uh, call it testing?

Test n. 1. a means of determining the presence, quality, or truth of something;

sci·ence n. 2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation

So a driver’s license test is a science, eh?

And then she proves the whole entire point of my original post:

{{{{Really, it’s disturbing to see the systematic censorship and just outright dismissal of science in the Bush administration.}}}}

Really, it’s disturbing the systematic whining that Code Pinkos saddle our government with.

{{{{During the 1970s, urea-formaldehyde foam insulation (UFFI) was used in many homes. However, few homes are now insulated with UFFI. Homes in which UFFI was installed many years ago are not likely to have high formaldehyde levels now. Pressed wood products containing formaldehyde resins are often a significant source of formaldehyde in homes. Other potential indoor sources of formaldehyde include cigarette smoke and the use of unvented, fuel-burning appliances such as gas stoves, wood-burning stoves, and kerosene heaters.}}}}

In other words, were all gonna die!

Someday.

{{{{In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure.}}}}

{{{{When formaldehyde is present in the air at levels exceeding 0.1 ppm, individuals may experience health effects such as watery eyes; burning sensations of the eyes, nose, and throat; coughing; wheezing; nausea; and skin irritation.}}}}

Yo, if you eyes starts to water, get out, duh.

Don’t just sit there for twenty years, geez.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

Iraqis want the freedom to smoke and drink just like you!

Yes, for the men. If you’re a woman, forget it, along with driving, working, or showing your ankle without being beaten to death.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl,

It would seem that our friends on the right would be humbled by their party’s failures but they do not care about our country and want to stay the course with McInsane to finish off our country.

Then they spew they are patriots but nothing could further from the truth. They are gop loyalists, no matter what their party does to destroy our country.

By Chip

February 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

Lies and Liars led to this disaster in the financial markets, the same old story under a new cover. Will no one hold the speculators who lied on their loan applications responsible? These liars should not get any kind of rebate - Do you remember the story about the Long Island cocktail parties in which hundreds of spec homes were “sold” to long island investors who swore on loan applications that they were buying the houses to live in? They put nothing down, the builder handled all expenses, and when the house was completed in 12 to 24 months, the liar house owner was guaranteed 30 to 60 thousand dollars profit. Some of the Long Island Liars filed papers for ten or more of these to be Owner Occuppied houses. Now the houses cannot be sold, so the Liars are trying to walk away, scot free..HOLD THEM FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DEBTS ON THESE OTHERWISE NON RECOURSE LOANS, THEY COMMITTED FRAUD AND ARE TRYING TO STICK YOU AND ME WITH THE BILL. Attach their assets, including any and all pensions: if they do not agree, file criminal fraud charges, and put them in prison, with the other liars…

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

AmVet,

I am SO glad you’re back. You bring fresh perspective 9x/10.

A note about this muddying of the gold waters of “conservatism”, these proliferating modifiers of that referent. Right now McCain, with his surreal “moderate conservative” moniker (that alone would have elicited a great witty gust from Goldwater) is the champion of illicit sludge dumping. And I think I understand why you imply that the Swifties formerly held the Title.

But the “Swift Boat conservatives”, as you call them, were just plain conservatives (including some Dem ones), for better or ill. (And McCain was not one of the Dem ones.) The characters you call out by name, running from JM to JW, are something else.

Maybe what we’re seeing is a merging of McCain’s notional “moderate conservatism” with Wooten’s notional “common sense conservatism”. Sounds like Pragmatism, does it not?

It isn’t. It’s something else.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:38 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife February 9, 2008 9:22 AM duh, This is what happening to the women in Iraq nut job: BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — The images in the Basra police file are nauseating: Page after page of women killed in brutal fashion — some strangled to death, their faces disfigured; others beheaded. All bear signs of torture.}}}}

al-Gitmo: You could say the exact same thing about any part of the world where these Islamic religious as-sholes are en masse:

{{{{Massacre in Mazar-I-Sharif — In August 1998, the Taliban captured Mazar-I-Sharif. There were reports that between 2,000 and 5,000 men, women and children — mostly ethnic Hazara civilians — were massacred by the Taliban after the takeover of Mazar-I-Sharif. During the massacre, the Taliban forces carried out a systematic search for male members for the ethnic Hazara, Tajik, and Uzbek communities in the city. Human Rights Watch estimates that scores, perhaps hundreds, of Hazara men and boys were summarily executed. There were also reports that women and girls were raped and abducted during the Taliban takeover of the city.}}}}

Gee, I don’t remember the U.S. being in Afghanistan in 1998, hmmmm.

Maybe the Taliban knew we were going to invade them, you think?

Look, al-Gitmo, you are an al Qaeda toady, fighting against the United States and the cause of good in the world, and I’m not.

That’s all we really need to know, O.K?

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Chip,

As you probably know, this all happened before, in the mid- to late-’80s, when the country, especially the Southwest, was awash with S&L funny-money. At some point the government has to consider picking up the tab, and that consideration is under way in DC.

In the last “scandal” (which actually was a fairly vast macroeconomic phenom with lasting repercussions), the government paid the cost of punishment, but did not foot the bill for the fallout. So I agree with you that this ball is definitely one to keep an eye on, as it could go either way, and we very well could get stuck with the bill, as you say.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

Roadside blasts kill 5 U.S. soldiers in Iraq

Cheer that on duh.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 10:44 AM | Link to this

{{{{By getalife February 9, 2008 9:47 AM “To Republicans: Conservatism Has Failed. Deal With It” Terry Schiavo, blah, blah, blah.}}}}

Yeah, run on Terry Schiavo, please.

{{{{KKKlinton Won’t Fight Gay Marriage}}}}

{{{{Obama said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.}}}}

We got our campaign issues too, babe.

Hehehehehehe.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

It would seem that our friends on the right would be humbled by their party’s failures but…

I too have noted that there is virtually no remorse on the part of those “leaders” who have “led” the nation these past years. Just more pigheaded intransigence.

Many just slink off, out of public life and occasionally show up on ridiculous “news” shows like BOR, H&C, etc trying to “explain” (justify) why they accomplished so very little of note and so much infamy.

And there is simply no hope, NONE, for their willfully blind supporters, who amazingly to this day, still cling to this deluded “conservative” mythology of a political flat earth where the sun’s wobbles and evil liberals explain all of the problems.

The upcoming bloodbath is of their own making, and like joyous spectators at the Coliseum watching the Christians getting eaten by the lions, it is good entertainment.

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

And Chip,

Luckoduh may be a scumbag, but (a) he’s definitely my kind of scumbag, and (b) we’re not neoconservatives. There are such persons, but we are not among them.

We’re just plain generic conservatives—-of the scumbag variety, of course.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

The CDC guy wasn’t crunched for test results, he was crunched for wanting to look at long term exposure. here’s the sentence from the article in your beloved urinal, luck: “FEMA wanted ATSDR to look only at the health effects of short-term formaldehyde exposure”

Nobody was arguing about tests, they were arguing about studies on the effects on health. Studies, as in systematic knowledge gained through observation and experimentation. I’m not sure how you boiled that down to a few tests, I just figured you were mangling words, not completely changing the subject of the article.

I agree with the get the h3ll out of the trailer theory. You most likely include that because if you don’t like the scientific conclusion, it’s time to start complaining about Katrina leeches. However, I’m not sure that staying in a FEMA trailer for more than two weeks categorizes you as a leech.

I proved your point about what by noting this is a pattern with the Bush administration? Here’s a long list of pointy-heads who agree.

I look forward to your next non-responsive response, complete with words like “pinko” but sadly lacking in any logical thought. You’re one of those loyalists described so aptly by getalife. Y’all are so predictable

By getalife

February 9, 2008 10:59 AM | Link to this

Glenn,

At least you are honest.

Will duh admit to being a scumbag too?

I mean, it is very obvious.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Link to this

Glenn, good to see you again. And thanks for welcoming me back to the fray!

I think, you sir, have hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head.

Pragmatism, or the obvious lack thereof, is what is costing this GOP so very dearly. And it is now exceptionally clear that the party is like an enormous Titanic with a unobservant captain and too big and too damned slow (to learn) to avoid disaster.

For example, the more recent and gigantic issue causing the supposed conservatives to absolutely detest McCain, was regarding illegal immigration, yes?

I did not study it very closely and am somewhat hesitant to stick my foot in my gaping mouth more than necessary on this topic, but what the heck, here goes!

The President for one of the very few times in his two terms supported a measure that, to me, seemed at least partially PRAGMATIC.

Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives among others want to deport 20 million people. ROUND ‘EM UP NOW! They know they can’t, (for a whole raft of reasons) so rather than come up with ANY palatable alternative, they resort to what they do best - LIE.

Repeat along with me - amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.

It works when your constituency is hyper-intolerant and hyper-intransigent. And most significantly when they are “principled” at all costs to the ill benefit of any and everybody but themselves.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Link to this

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 10:50 AM The CDC guy wasn’t crunched for test results, he was crunched for wanting to look at long term exposure. here’s the sentence from the article in your beloved urinal, luck: “FEMA wanted ATSDR to look only at the health effects of short-term formaldehyde exposure”}}}}

Uh, we’re talking about temporary trailers for Katrina victims, aren’t we?

And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too?

Look, you libs are political shysters and junk science kangaroo court mongers on a witch hunt for the Bush administration.

Have you not gotten the memo?

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of false accusations, not the first one ever being proven true.

It’s either ignorance or willful fraudulent wasting of federal funding that you demokrats continue to pursue these silly as-s accusations.

Which one is it?

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too?

Sure. But if you find there are no short-term exposure dangers, it doesn’t follow that there are no long term dangers. In this case, long term meaning more than two weeks. De Rosa wanted to look beyond two weeks. Uh, you are talking about the same article, yes? You don’t sound like you have the slightest clue what was contained therein.

If you want silly, look what your tax dollars were spent teaching—Bush approved junk science

This is why Glenn and AmVet seem to be bemoaning the absence of pragmatism among conservatives. Many of these people, in the words of a great science show “reject your reality, and substitute their own!” When you think reality will adjust itself to your world view, logic goes out the window. As in your case. One of the side effects seems to be odd uses of punctuation, like using parentheses in place of quotation marks. Maybe I can get a CDC grant to study that question.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

It will take a Dem President to unblock all the reports, investigations and crimes committed under this criminal administration.

Then they will undo all w’s policies back to the Clinton policies.

Most Americans are not informed and will be shocked by this blatant lawlessness and corporatism.

It will be a reckoning and long overdue.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Aquagirl, many months ago, I thought it plausible that the extremely irrational ideas posited by the regular “conservatives” here might just be indicative of a much larger mentality.

Perhaps, that was at least partially true then.

But I think not now, excluding perhaps those here in the Moron Belt.

No matter the passionate protests that the deluded, unqualified and ignorant here convey, they are howling in the wind, more or less alone now. That so many of their “brethren” (even that delightful Mr. Robertson) have finally given up the charade of ignorantly playing the scientific devil’s advocate makes the howling that much more fierce.

Fortunately I suspected from the very beginning that their transparent excuses and nonsense were going to be summarily squashed. And unequivocally, it has been…

By Ron

February 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if John McCain were elected President and exercised a veto against his own party.

By Craig

February 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

I think with Jim’s column you begin to see the basis for the Republican campaign this year. “Fear! Boogeymen! Be Afraid!”

But I don’t think it will work this time like it did in 2004. Except for the proud 30% who blindly support Bush, most Americans can see the abject failure of “conservative” government.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

I suspected from the very beginning that their transparent excuses and nonsense were going to be summarily squashed.

Ah, but not soon enough for the Republican party. Witness the recent debacle over the immigration bill, which brought mindless cries of “amnesty!” It’s still a bleat of the sheep, which will sink McCain’s run for the presidency.

You’ll still hear from the Luckoduhs, who brand McCain a liberal, as they have no ground between. Years ago, I called myself a Republican conservative, but not for a long time. And Zell questions why the Democrats left him. My question, when did the Republicans leave me?

Speaking of Zell, he offers a good picture of how the Republican “base”—and as such, the party—has abandoned logic and common sense. A year or two back, Zell asserted that without abortion, we’d have 40 million more babies to fight wars and pay social security, so the current problems in both could be blamed on abortion The laughs were deafening. Now, DeLay is regurgitating the same garbage, to young impressionable Republicans

I have little respect for those who attempt to validate questionable assumptions by simply repeating them over and over.

By Political Foreskin

February 9, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

I detect a note of poignancy in Wooten’s adumbration today. If any of you uber-pudwits had read it, you would have noticed a certain sadness, a rueful rambling rare for Mr. Wooten. He quotes Rodney. Why? Because it rhymes with Romney? I’m a little concerned for our dearest letterer. Perhaps a colonic….duhng, you usually have something prepared….

You GOP haters have had seven years to capture OBL, but somehow, I dont think that is the source of Wooten’s discouragement.

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

What did Bush ever do to counter Hugo Chavez? Please.

Nonsense, Wooten. You write nonsense. You cant even define your own conservativism.

McCain set fire to an aircraft carrier in Vietnam. He is likely to set fire to the country with ill-conceived foreign diplomacy shenanigans made in the name of supporting the troops, (whatever that means). The biggest danger facing any country is nationalism, jingoism, and the theo-military hotheads who lobby for their imaginary causes.

By getalife

February 9, 2008 12:08 PM | Link to this

John McCain made this odious joke about Chelsea Clinton back in ‘98.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.

Shuster got suspended for his “pimping” comment but

McInsane got swiftboated

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, I’ve been thinking about how many who have considered themselves life-long Republicans have abandoned the GOP under this wretched administration’s watch. Hundred of thousands? Millions?

ALL of us have read some anecdotal evidence and the numbers clearly indicate that this phony conservatism will not stand the test of time, or the patience of the less than most extreme and partisan Republicans.

As for my observation that you quoted, I should have said that this is in regards to this one, but major moronic position of theirs - man induced global warming is a fabricated liberal hoax designed to destroy the economy of the United States.

This single issue, as much as any other, has positively repulsed the common man and even causal adherent of reason and ration. Who now will not, and may never again, trust these fools with the future of their children and this planet.

By deegee

February 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Link to this

What would be wrong with the present governor of Florida, Charlie Crist? Unfortunately for Jeb, he has to live with the consequences of what his idiot brother has done over the last 7 years. The sight of the name Bush on a ballot will induce a gag reflex in approximately 75% of the electorate for the next 30 years at least. If you have any doubt, count how many times that political candidates hearken back to the Bush years, and the number of times they skip both Bush presidents and settle on Reagan.

What else could Mitt say? My wife told me that it’s time to stop whizzing money against the wall and to go get a real job? Come on, what sounds better, I’m patriotic or I’m pantywhipped?

Robert Gates is on a diplomatic mission in Europe right now. He’s trying to keep whatever waning European support we have in Afghanistan and Iraq. The key to success in Afghanistan and Iraq is multinational support. We aren’t getting out of Iraq anytime soon regardless of who wins in November. We have to consider which candidate is most likely to garner European support for fighting terrorism. Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney blew it with their bullheaded insistence that they knew better than the leaders of countries that have been fighting terrorism for decades. If we elect a “More of the Same” president we are doomed to spend the next 4 years alone in Iraq, waging a war with guns and tanks. A war that our military have already said will not be won with guns and tanks.

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Craig, Jim’s saying that Polyanna’s are to be feared, and in a horrifically dangerous world they surely are. Saying as much cannot have been what illicited fear, so I conclude that it must have been his allusion to the possibility of a McCain Administration ginning up the draft again.

The draft, and even the prospect of a Selective Service System which could lead to one’s being drafted—-so, the prospect of a draft for a draft that could get you drafted—-has proved such a powerful motive element in the Democratic Party that it can even transform that party by causing it to restructure itself with that single issue as its point of focus.

I well remember when the Year 1973 dawned draft-free. For the first time in 35 years, young men no longer were “vulnerable” in that way. The end of conscription sucked the air right out of the anti-war movement, leaving a conspicuous vacuity, in both senses. The protests went on for a time—-silly exercises in what was already, by then, movement nostalgia—-and then they ceased, and a period of great apathetic frivolity and sheer play began. Whitebread Disco dawned, and Pet Rocks and Streaking and the Battle of the Sexes on a tennis court in Las Vegas.

While the country began a new sis-boom-bah phase of Lindy Hopping and flagpole-sitting and goldfish swallowing, meanwhile Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger dropped more megatonnage on Southeast Asia in the Month of May alone than was dropped by all the Allies throughout the European Theatre in all of World War II. Earlier, the news of the secret bombing of Cambodia had caused a near-revolution in this country.

But this last, great, desperately criminal bombing campaign?

Well, the important thing to Democrats was that they were no longer afraid. No draft, why worry?

P.S. Laos did not figure much in these particular events as received on the home front, but it wasn’t spared. It could not have been wiped off the map more thoroughly had the entire sovereign nation been irradiated with Hydrogen bombing.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Link to this

Remember, AmVet, the GOP abandoned them, not the other way around. Sadly enough, they have not questioned those who call themselves conservatives, just rooting for anyone who appropriates the label. The people who voted for Bush in 2004 on the idea he was “conservative” were lazy, gullible, or both.

Now we see the aftermath of the GOP infiltration of Ralph Reed-types. The social conservatives are still squalling to control the party. These are the people that I’d say are the unrealistic dangerous wing. Not only do they have quixotic ends, they are great believers in the ends justifying the means. Denying possiblility of humans contributing to global warming is but one of the symptoms.

Meanwhile, sane conservatives are trying wrest control back from these wingnuts. It will take decades for the GOP to reinvent itself, as the Pat Robertsons simply die off. This isn’t going to be pretty.

By Luckoduh

February 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Aquagirl February 9, 2008 11:23 AM And, uh, if there are short term dangers would it not be assumed that there are long term health exposures too? Sure. But if you find there are no short-term exposure dangers, it doesn’t follow that there are no long term dangers. In this case, long term meaning more than two weeks. De Rosa wanted to look beyond two weeks. Uh, you are talking about the same article, yes? You don’t sound like you have the slightest clue what was contained therein.}}}}

Let’s try this again real slow:

{{{{At issue is whether the agency intentionally delayed or avoided examining the long-term cancer threat posed by formaldehyde fumes in trailers purchased by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house victims of the August 2005 hurricane. FEMA initially said air quality in the trailers was safe if they were properly ventilated.}}}}

Upon which, first thing this morning I remarked that this has absolutely nothing to do with science, it is simply testing for a known quantity and in fact the word science was being used to sensationalize a politically biased headline.

My, how quickly we’ve moved on and are now arguing the merits of a freaking case that has no basis to begin with, and will never be argued past the pages of the demokrat socialist rags.

Look, everybody, I’m a scientist now: {{{{In 1987, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen under conditions of unusually high or prolonged exposure.}}}}

I deduce, using my vast years of “scientific” study, that if there are no unusually high short term exposure then there are also no long term exposure risks, when do I get my government grant?

Aquagirl: Does it not concern you that these wild baseless accusations against the Bush administration result in nothing but sensational headlines and ninny pleasing sound bites?

Are demokrats particularly ineffective house managers that do not know how to proceed in the face of such “overwhelming” evidence against Bushie?

Did they simply forget to file charges against the accused?

Or is this just another government tax dollar wasting show trial?<————!

By Glenn

February 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

Ah, Zionists Behind Every Bush again, PoFo. Ah yes, those Levantines and their Jewannabes and their “imaginary” causes such as survival…

Of course Jim has defined his conservatism. It is common sense conservatism wedded sensibly to the moderating influences of moderate conservatism. How common can one be?

By @@

February 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

AmVet @ 11:01:

It’s rather biased of you to say that it’s only neo-cons who opposed Bush’s amnesty for illegals.

Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives among others want to deport 20 million people. ROUND ‘EM UP NOW! They know they can’t, (for a whole raft of reasons) so rather than come up with ANY palatable alternative, they resort to what they do best - LIE.

Pundits say the Democratic senator from New York is using this hot-button issue to position herself for the 2008 presidential election. It’s a way to hit Republicans from the right. Polls show huge majorities of both Republicans and Democrats oppose illegal immigration - and are frustrated that President Bush won’t do a thing to stop it.

So Bush responds to the American people by holding employers accountable for hiring illegals.

Enter Bennie Thompson (D) who initially blames illegal immigration on employers who hire them. Then Bennie makes an about face:

A Mississippi Democrat in line to become chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee has warned the nation’s largest uniform supplier it faces criminal charges if it follows a White House proposal to recheck workers with mismatched Social Security numbers and fire those who cannot resolve the discrepancy in 60 days.

Rep. Bennie Thompson said in a letter to Cintas Corp. it could be charged with “illegal activities in violation of state and federal law” if any of its 32,000 employees are terminated because they gave incorrect Social Security numbers to be hired.

Need I remind you that there was a time when you touted Sam Brownback as a worthy conservative. Sam Brownback endorses John McCain. Your second choice was Duncan Hunter who now endorses Mike Huckabee. Heck, you even held great respect for John McCain.

Now you want to chastise conservatives for changing our minds?

Give me a break.

Why don’t you vote for Ralph Nader and be done with the us and them.

By AmVet

February 9, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

@@, as you know, normally I’m not inclined to engage you, usually for your pronounced proclivity to play fast and loose with the truth (I’ll demonstrate this momentarily). But in the spirit of accommodation, and the impending “new” Republican collapse, here goes.

I said: Yes, the haters and “true” conservatives AMONG OTHERS want to deport 20 million people.

Your reply?: It’s rather biased of you to say that it’s ONLY neo-cons who opposed Bush’s amnesty for illegals.

Further I said Repeat along with me - amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.

And you, in good neo-con standing, chose that very word rather than tell the truth about the facts of that multi-faceted proposal, which was not amnestic.

Why do these faux conservatives insist on this dumbing down of complicated ideas to moronically simple phrases? And why do their parsing charades cloaked as debate still continue?

And are you hung over when you stupidly claim I was an even remote fan of those ridiculous candidates Brownback and Hunter??!! Or am I misreading your enigmatic post?

I disagree with McCain on the war and several other issues, but I have stated from the start he is the ONLY GOP candidate with ANY honor and credibility. Chickenhawks, religious power brokers and voodooo economists/economic conservatives notwithstanding.

And in case you haven’t noticed, apparently much of the rest of the American electorate, and it’s growing every week, agrees with that sentiment. As you may not, you can go vote for Hillary soon.

And if Nader runs, that would be great by me. Watching him again take on the corporate wh0res, the scandal ridden hypocrites and the incompetent posers, both left and right, is always great to watch.

By Aquagirl

February 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Luckoduh, considering your lack of knowledge about basic science, I’m going to post about this one more time. You could actually believe what you’re saying. I highly doubt it.

Here is what all the fuss is about:

“At issue is whether the agency intentionally delayed or avoided examining the long-term cancer threat posed by formaldehyde fumes in trailers purchased by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to house victims of the August 2005 hurricane. FEMA initially said air quality in the trailers was safe if they were properly ventilated.”

The article deals with the CDC guy, and whether he was dismissed because he questioned the validity of asserting the idea that living in the trailers was safe. If people were living in them for more than two weeks, that was different case than living in them for two months. Nowhere does it talk about disputing specific levels, only how to answer the question “will you get sick if you live in one of these trailers?” Duh.

Now, if you actually believe you can conclude:

“if there are no unusually high short term exposure then there are also no long term exposure risks”,

you can’t get a government grant. You can’t even get a passing grade in biology. Anyone who has ever been involved in teaching you science should be ashamed they were connected to such a dummy.

The reason these charges have resulted in little more than sound bites is because 1) Bush appointees blatantly ignore science. If they’re in charge of a department, their word is the last, and 2) there are enough stupid people like you who don’t have even the faintest grasp of science, and are inordinately proud of the fact.

They’re legion in the Republican ranks. No one has been asking Democratic presidential candidates if they believe in evolution. They don’t subscribe to the idiocy of the Republican unwashed.

Charges the Bush administration twists and ignores valid scientific conclusions is fully supported. It’s not like the first time he’s done this coughIraqcough.

Since your main defense is to keep squawking “lib liars!Lib liars!” over and over, I’ll leave this discussion, as it has no further merit.

I will, however, leave you with a clever periodic table made by some of those wild-eyed liberal scientists. It’s a good idea of what’s happened under the Bush administration

So, continue to foam at the mouth on this subject, if you wish. I’ve made my valid points for the sane people reading these posts, your rabid conclusions are free for others to read and draw their own conclusions.

By RealRep

February 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

If there is one thing we’ve seen in the drop-outs of Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney, it’s that the American people can smell a rat. Each of those ineffective campaigns demonstrated the candidates inability to understand the people.

As John and I were the only real conservatives to begin with, it’s only fitting that we are the last two standing.

The question now is one of Presidential fitness. The American people know the answer.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By catlady

February 9, 2008 1:59 PM | Link to this

So like some sort of demented swallows returning to San Jaun Capistrano these charlatans and the “faithful” simply cannot help themselves.