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McCain, Huckabee gang up
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Bring on the back-room dealing, the old smoke-filled vote-trading politics that gets both parties a candidate with the broadest-possible base of support.
It worked in West Virginia today. It’s not a winner-take-all state, but Mike Huckabee picked up 18 of the state’s 30 delegates in a just-concluded convention process. On the first round of voting, Mitt Romney led, followed by Huckabee, then John McCain and finally, Ron Paul. The last-place finisher was dropped.
Then McCain forces, realizing they had no chance to win, opted to keep Romney from winning. They threw in with Huckabee, giving him a 52-47 win over Romney — and 18 delegates. Fair enough.
Huckabee is the spoiler. He has no chance of getting the nomination, but he’s certainly useful to McCain — as today’s alliance indicates.
If McCain winds up as the party’s nominee in November, I’d certainly do as his mother suggests and vote for him over the save-face and take-flight-on-Iraq Democrat. But I’d have to rethink that if, by chance, the spoiler becomes McCain’s running mate.
In today’s 15 Republican primaries, six caucuses and West Virginia state convention, 1,023 delegates are at stake. After the West Virginia outcome, McCain has 102, Romney 93 and Huckabee 61. Ron Paul has four. Needed to win the nomination: 1,191.





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Comments
By Leigh
February 5, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
GO HUCKABEE!!!
By James
February 5, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this
I’ll go with John McCain, a great American, over Lil’ Abner, Robotman, Obama or Yo’Mama!
By James
February 5, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
I’ll go with John McCain, a great American, over Lil’ Abner, Robotman, Obama or Yo’Mama!
By James
February 5, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this
I’ll go with John McCain, a great American, over Lil’ Abner, Robotman, Obama or Yo’Mama!
By James
February 5, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
I’ll go with John McCain, a great American, over Lil’ Abner, Robotman, Obama or Yo’Mama!
By priestRomney
February 5, 2008 3:52 PM | Link to this
The high priest didn’t have his way and now all his followers are mourning.
By MK in Arizona
February 5, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
Give me a break! You know full well that Romney won the first round and only by combining Huckabee and Mccains votes was Huckabee able to pull it off. Romney has had to, in a sense, run a campaign of one against two. Huckabee and Mccain are like two bullies on a playground that know they can’t win on their own so they play dirty tricks together to try and take the stronger candidate, Mitt Romney, down. The people of this country are taking notice and will not stand for these kind of low brow tactics and it will be the undoing of both McCain and Huckabee in the end. Vote for Mitt Romney so that we can have a man of class and integrity running the White House!
By MK in Arizona
February 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Link to this
Give me a break! You know full well that Romney won the first round and only by combining Huckabee and Mccains votes was Huckabee able to pull it off. Romney has had to, in a sense, run a campaign of one against two. Huckabee and Mccain are like two bullies on a playground that know they can’t win on their own so they play dirty tricks together to try and take the stronger candidate, Mitt Romney, down. The people of this country are taking notice and will not stand for these kind of low brow tactics and it will be the undoing of both McCain and Huckabee in the end. Vote for Mitt Romney so that we can have a man of class and integrity running the White House!
By Hello
February 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this
James, “There will be a delay of up to 5 minutes before your comment appears” good Lord!
By Brett
February 5, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this
It’s politics… this is how it works you big whiners! Romney has been a lying jerk for the whole campaign… The McCain and Paul delegates weren’t going to get behind the pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate!
GO HUCKABEE!
Romney should get out and endorse Huckabee. Romney has no chance of winning the nomination.
If the Establishment wanted to stop McCain they could have done it in S.C. by asking Thompson step out, but they didn’t and now your stuck with McCain… Serves you right.
McCain/Huckabee are the best choice to run against Hillary/Obama. They have a shot of winning, Romney doesn’t.
Three cheers for the GOP.
By Drew
February 5, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
Mitt Romney is just as much a scumbag as John McCain and Mike Huckagod. Ron Paul is the only candidate with the fortitude and integrity to stand up for that in which he believes. No flip-flopping. No special interest pandering. He is a candidate with REAL monetary and fiscal experience - as opposed to some sleezy CEO who got his connections through his religion and THINKS that somehow educates him on monetary policy.
The American public is getting tired of being lied to day in and day out. We’re tired of the misinformation. Ron Paul may not win the election, but the REVOLUTION has begun and US politics will never be the same again.
By hdd3
February 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this
Jim,
What is wrong with Huckabee?
By lawyerdaggett
February 5, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
REVOLUTION? Give me a break! Ron Paul will be lucky to get an asterisk in books written about this election year. Anyone remember Ross Perot?
By Just Nasty and Mean
February 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
McCain can’t win outright, so he pulls this slimy, back-room, compromise to keep a win from Romney. It is classic Washington in-sider move to come up with some sleazy concocted scheme to collude a result from a rightful winner.
Gomer Pyle—-a-huck a-huck Huckabee has proved his true stripes to abandon his conservative claims to side with McCain in order to stay in the running for VP.
Sickening!
….Typical of McCain. I don’t think there is a thing McCain wouldn’t do to win—He’s already proved himself a liar when he intentionally misquoted Romney on the eve of Florida election.
This is all his attempt to shut up and shut out conservatives to elect a candidate with conservative values.
We need to shut this scumbag down.
By think
February 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Not so fast….it could be a Huckabee/McCain ticket. It’s not over yet. After today, Huckabee could be back in this. Once the media starts giving him attention again his values, ideas and message WILL resonate with more Americans now paying attention.
By mrs.coyle
February 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
so if Romney says - a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain
that’s ok
but if McCain says
a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain
it’s not okay anymore - NO WHINING MITT
VOTE MIKE HUCKABEE PRESIDENT 2008
By Jeff
February 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
Ron Paul Wins GA will be the headline in tomorrow’s AJC.
Ron Paul is the LAST of either major party I will vote for until the parties come to support the Constitution.
By DAN RYAN
February 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this
ROMNEY WAS “SANDBAGGED” DAN
By Just Nasty and Mean
February 5, 2008 4:22 PM | Link to this
McCain can’t win outright, so he pulls this slimy, back-room, compromise to keep a win from Romney. It is classic Washington in-sider move to come up with some sleazy concocted scheme to collude a result from a rightful winner.
Gomer Pyle—-a-huck a-huck Huckabee has proved his true stripes to abandon his conservative claims to side with McCain in order to stay in the running for VP.
Sickening!
….Typical of McCain. I don’t think there is a thing McCain wouldn’t do to win—He’s already proved himself a liar when he intentionally misquoted Romney on the eve of Florida election.
This is all his attempt to shut up and shut out conservatives to elect a candidate with conservative values.
We need to shut this scumbag down.
By MeInGA
February 5, 2008 4:23 PM | Link to this
I do. I voted for him.
By getalife
February 5, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this
Listen up wingnuts, your leader has spoken:
“Dr. Dobson: ’ I Cannot, and Will Not, Vote for Sen. John McCain’”
Said he is not a con.
Bwahahahahahaha!
By Kumar
February 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
Awesome! WVA made history by choosing the only candidate with the most experience - Governor Mike Huckabee. Now Georgia will make history by giving Huckabee the WIN! Go Georgia and get behind a conservative and an American - Governor Mike Huckabee. GO HUCK GO!
By John
February 5, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this
What is your problem with Huckabee, Jim Wooten? Are you really willing to cross the line and vote for a Democrat or stay home rather than vote for Huckabee?
We evangelicals have always suspected that the GOP is ready to chuck us out of the boat at the first opportunity. Our votes have gotten GOP candidates elected to office every year since 1980 - but you really hate having us in the tent don’t you? It was really not that hard to keep the Reagan coalition together. We would continue to vote for the economic policies that are important to you as long as you respect our convictions and support the social causes that are important to us.
Is it time for a trial separation - or are we headed for a divorce?
By Peter
February 5, 2008 4:30 PM | Link to this
McCain took a Mc-Snoozer - 2007 Voting Record.
The Hill: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is the only presidential candidate in Congress to have missed a major vote on the Iraq war this year.
The National Journal: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the only other senator whose presidential candidacy survived the initial round of primaries and caucuses this year, did not vote frequently enough in 2007 to draw a composite score. He missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories. On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a conservative score of 59.
By Rosco
February 5, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Mitt Romney is a fake foney crook. There is something very crooked about that pretty boy fake smile of his. He probably stole half of his business money. Just because a man can so-called run a business doesn’t mean he is a morally good person that needs to run a country!!! Romney can’t relate to most of the country.
By Peter
February 5, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
McCain took a Mc-Snoozer - 2007 Voting Record.
The Hill: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is the only presidential candidate in Congress to have missed a major vote on the Iraq war this year.
The National Journal: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the only other senator whose presidential candidacy survived the initial round of primaries and caucuses this year, did not vote frequently enough in 2007 to draw a composite score. He missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories. On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a conservative score of 59.
By TW
February 5, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
C’mon, Mr. Wooten. What ruffles your skirt pales when compared to how McCain was served in South Carolina by your Bush hero in 2000. Listening to any GOPer cry a decency foul is kind of like Charles Manson whimpering about getting picked on in prison. Besides, just got home from work and listened to the recording of a member of Romney’s rhird reich belittling the American Veteran, John McCain. Excuse for a minute the recordings anti-American liberal theme, and you’re still left with a classless little rich boy. Besides, doesn’t Romney worship the brother’s devil, or something like that? Never cared enough to read below the headline…
By Zippy McFinklestein
February 5, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
It’s great watching all y’all on the right bicker over what is a “real” conservative. You should start splitting up and forming mini-parties subscribing to what you think is right. There’d be thousands of them!
By Just Nasty and Mean
February 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
All you Gomer Pyle a-huck ahuck a Huckabee supporters should plainly and clearly recognize your candidate just sold-out ALL of his conservative claims to an obvious left-wing of the party to get a shot on the ticket.
Huckabee turns out to be just another sleazy politician willing to sell values for power.
Before this slimy backroom scheme with McCain, I felt Gomer a-huckabee was a decent man. But now, I wouldn’t vote for this bible-thumping turncoat if he were the defending champ in a poop slinging contest.
By Peter
February 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Link to this
McCain took a Mc-Snoozer - 2007 Voting Record.
The Hill: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is the only presidential candidate in Congress to have missed a major vote on the Iraq war this year.
The National Journal: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the only other senator whose presidential candidacy survived the initial round of primaries and caucuses this year, did not vote frequently enough in 2007 to draw a composite score. He missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories. On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a conservative score of 59.
By Tim J
February 5, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this
Mike Huckabee has successfully crushed the Evangelical Movement under the heel of McCain, by joining this aliance. Mike will at best be second chair to a person who doesn’t care all that much about social issues that are dear to Evangelicals.
Even together they barely beat out Mitt Romney. 567 to 521. That is less than 50 votes ahead. How pathetic.
By idutms
February 5, 2008 4:44 PM | Link to this
Romney brought Kiss to the Olympic closing ceremonies. Rock on Romney- you’ve got my vote!
I’ll be voting for Obama if McCain gets my parties nomination. I’d rather silence the likes of Jackson and Sharpton… and fix the Republican party over the next 4yrs, instead of doing as his mother suggests - which will further muddy the Republican ideals to appeal to and appear as more liberal.
By Kenny
February 5, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this
Huckabee didn’t make any deal with McCain, but with Ron Paul, in exchange for 3 delegates.
By Craig
February 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this
Jim I’m curious as to why this bothers you so much. It seems to me to be politics as usual - and Romney knows how the game is played. In the 2000 race, the Bush camp was merciless in their trash talk about McCain in South Carolina. Afterwards we were told to buck up - that’s how the game is played. Were you offended then by the antics of the Bush acolytes?
By thankgod
February 5, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
John, as a long time, moderate republican, I’m all for a trial separation or divorce from right wing evangelicals. So put me down as a yes. I’m ready to see the republican party get back to the center and talk about economics, smaller government, lower taxes… and stop the social engineering the far right wants to dwell on. I’m hoping this election is the beginning of that tide.
By Tiberius
February 5, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
Thank God some people still know how to work a convention! Good old fashion convention politics. I know this is the era of primaries and few have experienced a real convention, but this is what happens. States would support a candidate, he’d drop out and the state would throw their support in favor of another in exchange for something down the line. This is not a “conspiracy” makes. Some of our best Presidents were nominated this way. If you have a problem with it, go preach to the WV GOP or the WV legislature to change the process.
By Hamme
February 5, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this
AWESOME!! Go Huck & Thank McCain…
Ahh, I can see it all now, a truly liberal GOP ticket McCain/Huckabee… going down in flames in November.
Can I get a woot-woot?
By Hammer
February 5, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
AWESOME!! Go Huck & Thank McCain…
Ahh, I can see it all now, a truly liberal GOP ticket McCain/Huckabee… going down in flames in November.
Can I get a woot-woot?
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 4:55 PM | Link to this
You wingnuts are so cute when you start flailing at each other.
bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Losers.
By Boots
February 5, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this
Quit your bickering. Anyone will be better than what we have.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
John and Tim J.,
I respect your Commission, but what makes you think that Mike Huckabee is one of you guys, when he takes such pains to convince voters that he believes nothing in particular? For that matter, what convinces you that he’s not a Democrat with an (R) next to his name?
In any event, I’d far rather throw professed “moderates” such as thankgod overboard than you all.
P.S. Punxsutawney John lost five naval aircraft in all.
By Mike
February 5, 2008 5:00 PM | Link to this
Just maybe West Virginia didn’t want Mr. Romney? Sure it’s politics, Gov. Huckabee won fair enough, and his message was heard. He has my vote- and I’m not an evangelical. And I think he DOES have a chance of winning… Best regards-
By CGB
February 5, 2008 5:03 PM | Link to this
You Romney folks are something else. Do you not understand that the fact that McCain & Huckabee voters “might” team up is b/c a MAJORITY of GOP voters don’t like, don’t trust and will NOT elect flip-flopping Mitt? That’s all it is…simple as that, over 50% of GOP voters prefer “Anybody But Mitt,” so don’t keep giving me this crap about Romney having to face 2 candidates when the simple fact of the matter is that Mitt Romney is just up against the 60%+ of GOP voters that don’t want him in office (it just happens that this % of the vote is split mostly for McCain, some for Huckabee). Get over it Romney robots.
By Jackie
February 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
Mike Huckabee won the West Virginia primary. The political rumor is McCain and Huckabee are teaming up to win the nomination over Mitt Romeny. Repubs hate McCain, yet, he is their only viable choice. The right-wing claim the media is trying to force a candidate on them, i.e., “it is the liberal media promoting someone that is not a conservative.” Seems to be growing problems in the land of the Repubs.
By Deborah
February 5, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this
To thankgod - AMEN! Let the bible-thumpers form their own party.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:08 PM | Link to this
Craig @ 4:49,
Your description of Mr. McCain as the victim of the Bush camp’s “trash talk” in South Carolina four years ago is most compelling. What lies were they telling about him?
And what convinces you that Mitt Romney “knows how the game is played”?
By Chuck
February 5, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, you say that Huckabee as McCain’s running mate would cause you to vote for the Democrat? Huckabee as a running mate would be enough to make me vote for McCain, whereas I tempted to sit it out (I’d never vote for a Democrat). Huckabee’s stance on The FairTax is ample reason to cast a vote for him or his ticket. He would have no influence on his other issues as a running mate.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this
“Deborah”…mm-m-mn…what an unlikely name for an anti-religious person…
Profit @ 2:48,
“McClown…graduated fifth from last at the Air Farce Academy…”
Punsutawney John is a third-generation Anapolis Graduate. A lifelong renegade, he did indeed receive poor grades reflecting his spotty attendance. It is not clear whether he would have passed Top Gun had his father and grandfather not been four-star admirals (his father commanding in John’s theatre of conflict). He did also attend the War College, which is super-elite; I have no idea what his grades or rankings were there, and rather doubt that they even keep such counts.
Never known for his flying skills, he flew 22 roughly one-hour missions before being downed. Had he paid for the Douglas A-4 shot out from under him, he’d have gotten a sweetheart deal: things were made for more than 30 years and were dirt cheap.
By getalife
February 5, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
The reddest county in Alabama is voting Dem
Great news!
By dave
February 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
No matter what…the next president will be Hillary or Obama. SO you repulsivcans that voted in the last clown can stay ho,e and drink beer in November…oh yeah…but if you live here in GA…you better buy it the day before because you can’t buy beer on Sunday, JesusEffinMas, or election day. The last one I can understand, the first two is one of the reasons why GA is still one of the laughing stocks in the country…hey…maybe all of the repulsivcans remembered to buy their beer on the night before during the 2004 election, because if you voted for Goerge “Hitler” Bush…the true “Butcher of Bagdad” you MUST HAVE BEEN DRUNK!!!!!
By dave
February 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
No matter what…the next president will be Hillary or Obama. SO you repulsivcans that voted in the last clown can stay ho,e and drink beer in November…oh yeah…but if you live here in GA…you better buy it the day before because you can’t buy beer on Sunday, JesusEffinMas, or election day. The last one I can understand, the first two is one of the reasons why GA is still one of the laughing stocks in the country…hey…maybe all of the repulsivcans remembered to buy their beer on the night before during the 2004 election, because if you voted for George “Hitler” Bush…the true “Butcher of Bagdad” you MUST HAVE BEEN DRUNK!!!!!
By Just Nasty and Mean
February 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Link to this
Craig, Tiberious and Thankgod, get your head out of your bu@@s. McCain nor Romney couldn’t take 1st place individually, based on their own ideas and merits, so rather than lose, they conspired and colluded—in typical Washington fashion—to screw the process and combine their votes against the guy that DID carry the most individual votes—straight up!
At the same time, each of them—McCain and Gomer ahuck ahuck Huckabee—-compromised the positions they had been promoting to-date and exchanged their positions for a chance at POWER.
Huckabee is most disappointing that he would engage in this sleaze-ball hypocritical tactic. He can’t do any more bible thumping and have any credibility. He’s taken the Evangelical support and traded it for (50 pieces of gold) a sleazy back room deal for power.
I don’t put ANYTHING past republicrat McCain.
A sickening SHAME what our country and party has come to.
President Ron Reagen, where are you when we need you most?
By Boots
February 5, 2008 5:16 PM | Link to this
It’s really quite humorous to hear the right wing of the Republican party complain about the West Va. convention style politics after seven years of Rove’s dirty tricks and the trashing of McCain by Bush in 2000. To say nothing of the dirty tricks played by Reagan.
As Truman said, “If you can’t take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.”
By dave
February 5, 2008 5:18 PM | Link to this
No matter what…the next president will be Hillary or Obama. SO you repulsivcans that voted in the last clown can stay ho,e and drink beer in November…oh yeah…but if you live here in GA…you better buy it the day before because you can’t buy beer on Sunday, JesusEffinMas, or election day. The last one I can understand, the first two is one of the reasons why GA is still one of the laughing stocks in the country…(well THAT and the SAT scores here in Gawga..which ALSO might explain as to why ALL laugh at this state)…hey…maybe all of the repulsivcans remembered to buy their beer on the night before during the 2004 election, because if you voted for George “Hitler” Bush…the true “Butcher of Bagdad” you MUST HAVE BEEN DRUNK!!!!!
By thankgod
February 5, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Glenn, feel free to throw me overboard, but please realize that, while I’ve always voted republican, I was never in the same boat as you. And remember, before you through me overboard, that moderates, independents and the center are the votes both the far right and the far left need to get their agendas to the light of day. It’s high time the far right realized we moderates have helped you get those agenda items front and center. And, as with most agendas, people will continue to push as long as they can. It’s high time republican moderates come forward in our party and stopped cowtowing to pulpit politicians. I love my country and my God, but they don’t rule every thought in my head. Hallelujah for McCain, Guiliani and any other republican who’s willing to talk to the center for a change.
By Deborah
February 5, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this
Glenn - I am laughing at your response since in fact I was named for the Devorah in the old testament. I am somewhat anti organized religion. This statement probably sums up best how I feel. God gave man everything he needed to know, and then the Devil came along and said, “Hey let’s organize it and call it religion”.
By Chuck
February 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, you say that Huckabee as McCain’s running mate would cause you to vote for the Democrat? I say that Huckabee as the running mate would be enough for me to vote for McCain, whereas I’m tempted to sit it out otherwise (I’d never vote for a Democrat). Huckabee’s stance on The FairTax is ample reason to cast a vote for his ticket. As a Vice-President, he would have no influence on his other issues, but The FairTax supporters would give his voice strength and maybe convince the President to go along.
By Chuck
February 5, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, you say that Huckabee as McCain’s running mate would cause you to vote for the Democrat? I say that Huckabee as the running mate would be enough for me to vote for McCain, whereas I’m tempted to sit it out otherwise (I’d never vote for a Democrat). Huckabee’s stance on The FairTax is ample reason to cast a vote for his ticket. As a Vice-President, he would have no influence on his other issues, but The FairTax supporters would give his voice strength and maybe convince the President to go along.
By Chuck
February 5, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, you say that Huckabee as McCain’s running mate would cause you to vote for the Democrat? I say that Huckabee as the running mate would be enough for me to vote for McCain, whereas I’m tempted to sit it out otherwise (I’d never vote for a Democrat). Huckabee’s stance on The FairTax is ample reason to cast a vote for his ticket. As a Vice-President, he would have no influence on his other issues, but The FairTax supporters would give his voice strength and maybe convince the President to go along.
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this
Glenn likes to pretend he does not remember what Bush/Rove did to McCain in 2000. But a simple google search (12 seconds) provides what Glenn’s over-educated brain conveniently forgets…
Anonymous opponents used “push polling” to suggest that McCain’s Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. In push polling, a voter gets a call, ostensibly from a polling company, asking which candidate the voter supports. In this case, if the “pollster” determined that the person was a McCain supporter, he made statements designed to create doubt about the senator.
Thus, the “pollsters” asked McCain supporters if they would be more or less likely to vote for McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate child who was black. In the conservative, race-conscious South, that’s not a minor charge. We had no idea who made the phone calls, who paid for them, or how many calls were made. Effective and anonymous: the perfect smear campaign.
Some aspects of this smear were hardly so subtle. Bob Jones University professor Richard Hand sent an e-mail to “fellow South Carolinians” stating that McCain had “chosen to sire children without marriage.” It didn’t take long for mainstream media to carry the charge.
It was this episode that made McCain’s [subsequent “come to Jesus” moment with Bush[(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/X/e/1/mccainbushbrokeback.jpg) so stomach-churning. St John looked like he would cry as he gave Dubya that big old bearhug of manloving. And Bush has the satisfied look of a man who knows he has bested his opponent and put his stones in a little trophy case back at the ranch.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this
get,
Maybe you guys can scoop up the otherwise red Channel Islands while you’re at it. Wouldn’t that be great news!
Boots @ 4:56,
Best kick off those store-bought combat boots and rest a good long while, because there isn’t a chance that any of these candidates, with the possible exception of Barak Obama, will be anywhere near a better President than George W. Bush.
And every one of them is likely to get us either nuked or else blackmailed into submission to our very real enemies. “Quit bickering”?
Go to hell.
By Michaelc
February 5, 2008 5:28 PM | Link to this
Go, Gov Huckabee!! In a primary, a few pundits shouldn’t tell us who should play and who shouldn’t. More power to Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul and the other candidates who are sticking it out.
By dave
February 5, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this
Reagan??? he was ALMOST as bad as Bush…though GWB will go down in history as the worst of the worst. His Daddy #2 followed by reagan. Funny how all you repulsivcans think reagan did anything GOOD for this country. It was his great work that lead to a massice deficit that continued under daddy bush…only to be fixed by the GREATEST president since Kennedy….Clinton. Stop worrying about what people do in the bedroom and start worrying about what they do with your money. As GWB and followers….you have run the credit cards up so high, that you are now using credit cards to pay your minimum monthy due on your statements…see…eventually…that crp blows up in your face. Take a big wiff…as it was you that voted for him a second time…all while China has put itself in place to make us “slaves”…as they will surely kick our butts oneday soon…they are well on their way to being the ONLY super power…in fact…they already are. ;-)
By DuzzitMatter?
February 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
C’mon, folks….does it really matter which “republican” candidate gets the nomination this year? No!! I can just visualize Lockheed and Boeing competing for a contract to transform Air Force One into a stealthy, jet powered, luxurious flying broom stick that will transport the witch safely to and from the White House.
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
Just Nasty and Mean drags the rotting corpse of Reagan out of the morgue for one last vigorous dry hump, lamenting the state of his party and wishing he could vote for the Senile Old Phart one more time. He’s dead, Nasty…leave the poor thing alone.
Glenn, who has trouble remembering prominent events of the 2000 campaign, turns his erudition to detailing the prodigal McCain’s less-than-stellar accomplishments in Annapolis and Vietnam. Glenn is to be thanked for pointing out that the next GOP nominee will be much like the last one…a disinterested wastrel of a student, with a likely alcohol problem, who failed at the very activity that is supposed to make us all genuflect in awe (McCain a failure as a warrior, Bush a failure as a businessman). And neither of this numb-nutted clowns would have ever found their way into the halls of power had they not been born on third base with a silver spoon stuck up their @$$. Hey, it worked in 2000, why not hang that sad flag out for another try.
And Chuck, naive and endearing little Chuck, with his childlike faith in the Fairy Tale that is the Fair Tax. Thanks for posting three times…though you could say Fair Tax three thousand times and it would still be an idiot’s mantra.
Keep going wingnuts…the country has had enough of your ilk in power, but you are still an entertaining lot, kind of like watching the midgets flail at each other in the live sex shows in Vegas.
By Boots
February 5, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
And, the same to you, Glen.
History will show that Dubya and Jimmy Carter will run neck and neck for the worst president in the past 75 years.
He got bad advise and was ill-served by warmed over, worn out, ideologues such as Cheney and Rumsfeldt.
By Ci2Eye
February 5, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this
Jim,
You may do as McCain’s Mom suggests Republicans will have to do and “hold their nose” to vote for her son but I NEVER will. I will vote Democrat for the first time ever if McCain is the nominee.
McCain and Huckabee are both sleazy candidates and they proved it again today. Huckabee is an embarrassment to Christians everywhere and in my opinion, McCain has lost any residual hero-status he may have once had.
Today they worked together and implored sleazy tactics to take down Romney and block the choice of West Virginia voters.
That is not what a hero does. That is not what a Christian does.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:39 PM | Link to this
TAFKAH,
No, I wasn’t pretending, and I’m glad for the straight answer. Thank you. That’s quite reprehensible behavior. (And by the way the brain of everybody here, except Boots, is “over-educated”, alas; certainly I’m all skooldup.)
Have you ever wondered how Mr. Bush managed so easily to bring Mr. McCain so thoroughly to heel?
Jim,
Are you sure you wouldn’t be happy with two crypto-Democrats on the same GOP ticket? “Two for the price of one”!
Nice of you finally to notice that Huckabee’s the spoiler. Gee, d’ya think maybe he’s s’posed to play the spoiler?
Who/Whom? Follow…the…mo-ney…
By Punkin30189
February 5, 2008 5:50 PM | Link to this
The abolishment of the IRS is enough to get my vote from any of the Republican candidates. I fear the IRS more that any terrorist. Go Fair Tax!
By jbmlaw
February 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon all. Voted for Mitt and feel pretty good about it. I do not read outrage in Jim’s note about Elmers Fudd and Gantry double-teaming Mitt - more just a report “so we all know.”
While I have reconciled myself to the McCain candidacy, I may be repelled if he teams with another leftist; I see little to commend a vote for two Republican leftists over two Democrat leftists.
By Rev. Dudley Doright
February 5, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
The Board of Deacons, Women’s Missionary Society of the First Apostolic Church of the Good God Almighty in Christ Jesus and I want to remind all of you what the Bible says in the book of Hezekiah: * “Be kind to your political leaders for they know not what they do.”*
Further, it doesn’t matter whether you are a sheep or a goat. You’re all God’s animals.
So, the important thing is to pray for guidance and then close your eyes and let the Lord push the buttons.
That way, we know we’re doing the right thing.
Personally, I’m going to vote for the goats and encourage all of God’s children to do likewise.
Amen and amen!
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Well all right Boots! That’s the spirit!
Dubya’s gonna go down differently into the history books, but I reckon all your points will be made one way or the other. Carter, however, will be in the Third Appendix.
dave,
I for one think it’s just grand that you’re learning about credit and the Heathen Chinee and recent American History and all. If you keep up your studies, one day you’ll thank Ronald Reagan for leaving you a far safer and freer world, and a more prosperous and proud nation, in which to be born.
And then maybe, instead of comparing Mr. Reagan to your least favorite presidents, you’ll compare him to your favorite ones.
By RU a Tax Cheat?
February 5, 2008 6:02 PM | Link to this
Why would you fear the IRS? Do you cheat on your taxes? Because they can make your life HECK if you do. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right? (Isn’t that the Repub logic for warrantless wire tapping and seizure of confidential information?) Me thinks thou dost protest the IRS too much. Buncha cheats you are!
By Will
February 5, 2008 6:07 PM | Link to this
I am absolutely floored by the fact that it appears many of you actually think it will make any difference who the next president will be!
Let’s see, the “conservative” George Bush has engaged in “nation building” and “let’s hold hands and free the world” liberal foreign policy for 8 years but liberals can’t stand him. This fine “conservative” is the author, along with Senator Kennedy, of the most massive, federally intrusive piece of education legislation in our history but the liberals hate him and the conservatives defend him. This fine conservative president failed to veto one, even one, piece of federal spending legislation while republicans controlled Congress and watched the federal deficit skyrocket and we all watched our beloved nation fall further in debt as we borrow money from that fine, freedom-loving beacon known as Communist China.
This wonderful conservative president and our wonderful republican congress stood by and allowed our borders to be over run but, so what, they are republicans and republicans are conservative, right? The republican radio and television entertainers are about to have a stroke over the fact that they probably will not get to name the next republican nominee and the agent of change, the fresh dynamic voice of Barrack Obama does not stand for one signal policy matter that does not fall exactly in line with old line liberal thought.
Right wing evangelicals obediently toe the republican line and then republicans ignore them until they are needed four years later. African-Americans and most other minorities faithfully vote for democrats every four years and then are ignored until their votes are needed four years later.
I assume that either Obama, Clinton, McCain or Romney will be our next president. I also assume that is will make almost no difference
By Craig
February 5, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this
Glenn @ 5:08 - TAFKAH as usual did a better job than I would have. The “illigetimate black child” allegations, when she was in fact adopted from Bangladesh, were far beyond the pale.
AS to Romney - honestly you got me - I just figure that anyone smart enough to get where he is should know how conventions work - and be able to play the game accordingly.
Honestly I think Tiberius is probably correct. I think the nominees on both sides were better when they were chosen in the smoke filled back rooms, rather than letting us riff raff make the choices. I know, very unprogressive of me…
By Dumbaxx
February 5, 2008 6:12 PM | Link to this
Please somebody help me!
Please Mr. Limbaugh!
Please Mr. Boortz!
Please Dr. Dobson!
I’m just a dumbaxx dittohead and I don’t know what to do if you don’t tell me.
Please tell me who to vote for you all wise blow hards!
By jbmlaw
February 5, 2008 6:13 PM | Link to this
Dear Will @ 6:07, but for the possibility of Supreme Court vacancies, I would agree with the entirety of your post. I perceive the quality of democrat nominees to the court would be distinctly inferior to republican nominees - both democrat court nominees are poor, but only two of the republican seven are poor, plus one mediocre republican. I believe Mitt would appoint good judges, and I hope John would. I have little confidence in the jurisprudence of Huckabee, Obama, or Clinton.
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
Glenn,
How was McCain brought to heel? Believe me, I never wondered. It is simple. He knew it was his only chance to ever become President. He had to become a convert or he would have been dead to the GOP. Even with all his groveling, he is having a devil of a time gaining acceptance, as the comments here make evident. (btw, for some truly insane wingnut meltdowns, check out the forums at the Corner and Free Republic…great fun watching bitter losers tear each other apart).
I’ve always felt the media storyline about Straight Talk John to be complete circle jerk nonsense. The man is a walking ball of contradictions, and like any successful pol, would say anything and blow anyone to get ahead. Even his big shows of “maverick” behavior (voting against Bush tax cuts, standing “firm” on torture, etc and ad nauseum) were nothing but stances that stood no chance of thwarting anything Bush ever wanted.
The guy is a complete fake, a minimally talented glad-hander who had a powerful father who helped him “succeed” despite his very public failings. Kind of like the jerkweed from Crawford.
Having said that, I won’t be surprised if I wake up one fine morning in November and find the common decent salt of the earth American people (you know, the knuckle dragging morons) have elected this hologram to the White House.
By Rt. Rev. John Dolittle
February 5, 2008 6:24 PM | Link to this
Dear Brother Dudley Doright:
The Church of St. John Dolittle the Eponymous greets you and the sisters and brothers, and prays for your reexamination of Our Lord’s answer to Satan’s offer of all worldly political power and authority, in the First Desert Temptation.
As you will recall, His answer, from the original Aramaic, was as follows: “Shove it!”
Now, WHO did you say pushes the political buttons?
By IDoCare
February 5, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this
Heres the thing. Romney is right, the government today is broken and the politicians know it. They are having their own way with our money and their spending spending spending. I am reading some of your coments and wonder is some of you (not all) but some of you even know what these candidates stand for. What their records are.
McCain is offered and thinking about being a running partner to John Kerry. He has sided with Kennedy and Clinton on issues such as amenesty for illegals, cutting funding for your military, raising taxes, taking away the tax cuts the republicans want to make perminant. He has stood by the democrates in just about every area there is. He is not a republication but a democrate running on the republican ticket. They are so afraid that Romney is going to make a difference and cut their spending they cant stand it.
This election is throwing it right out in the open, how corupt the government is. One person, Romney is not playing the game. Hes telling it like it is. Hes not a political commerical, hes a real man with morals and values and a vision for america. You want McCain and his leftest ways go for it. Dont complain though when your taxes go up by 60 percent. Yes, 20 percent for the tax that goes away and another 40 for their increases due to spending. Dont complain when you cant get medical treatment because a socialized medical plan does not work. Look for Canada and France to see that. They come here for help.
Read the issues and look at your kids and dont listen to what the candidates say but go look at what they have done. They will SAY ANYTHING to get your vote but they cant HIDE what they are voted for. Go check the facts and vote with the confidence that you know the candidate. I want less government, better morals, immigration inforced the fence build, i want my own money I work hard for every day of my life. I am tired of supporting the welfare lazies and the social groups. I work for MY money and Im tired of paying it all out for those who dont want to. Less government, less spending, tighter budget.
Romney is the man. Its time to move corruption out of congress and start new. They are not working in our best interst people. They are working to take our money and make us dependent. Well guess what? I read and I watch and Im not liking what I see.
I voted Romney. So I can blame you when things go bad quickly, You cant blame me.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this
Oh, man! I seriously like that use of “hologram”, TAFKAH! Very sharp. Compliments.
Um, Lincoln. Not the Abraham one; the Charles and Neil one.
That’s all it took.
By Dave
February 5, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
Gee, I’d always thought of you as a “rules” kind of guy. Just what is wrong in your view with someone using the rules to their perceived advantage? Oh, it pulled a victory from the guy you support. Doggone those rules. They don’t always work out, do they.
By Boots
February 5, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this
Will, you are absolutely correct my friend!
And, as far as those poor, mindless “dittoheads” —- don’t worry. We’ve survived 12 years of Bushes and 8 years of Clintons —- WE ARE INDOMINABLE!
By DuzzitMatter?
February 5, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
Dumbaxx, just sober up and go vote for the person you most align with on the issues facing our nation. Just so you know, Rosie is not on the ballot, axx clown. Good luck.
By Other CJ
February 5, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
Go Huckabee! Stay in there with all those Neros that want to burn you at the stake…’ GET USED TO IT! We Christians are here to stay!
By Other CJ
February 5, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Go Huckabee! Stay in there with all those Neros that want to burn you at the stake…’ GET USED TO IT! We Christians are here to stay!
By Other CJ
February 5, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this
Go Huckabee! Stay in there with all those Neros that want to burn you at the stake…’ GET USED TO IT! We Christians are here to stay!
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 6:59 PM | Link to this
Other CJ,
Perhaps YOU would be so good as to explain to me what should cause one to conclude that Mr. Huckabee is a Christian when he is at such pains to assure voters that he believes in nothing in particular. Would you, please?
WHAT IN HADES MAKES ANYONE, ESPECIALLY JIM WOOTEN, THINK THAT CANDIDATES CHOSEN BY BACKROOM FIXERS ARE SOMEHOW “BETTER” OR EVER, EVER MEANT TO HAVE BROAD APPEAL, RATHER THAN TO SERVE JUST THE DAMNEDEST PURPOSES OF THE FIXERS?
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this
Glenn, the 80s S&L debacle should have surely been enough to disqualify McCain from ever being considered. But I do not think that is the reason McCain took it on the chin so readily…too many Bush fingerprints on that scandal. The Bush family protects their own, even the dumba$$ Neil and only slightly less moronic Marvin. Playing that against McCain would have created too much blowback.
Quick story…A friend of mine, very staunch GOP, worked directly for Marvin for a couple of years, and spent a weekend at the Kennebunk compound in early ‘84. My friend came home quite shaken by the visit, and he really would not talk about it much except to tell old Heywood that nothing in his drug-spattered and sexually depraved existence could come close to the weirdness he witnessed. He really shook his head about Neil. (Dubya was not there nor the senior Bushes.) Despite having contributed the max to Dubya’s re-election, he voted for Kerry. Less than a year later, the firm folded after Marvin transferred 80% of the cash assets into another of his holdings that was struggling. Oddly, despite both firms failing, Marvin scored huge bonuses from both just a few months before the collapse. Just another Bush who knows how to run a business into the ground.
By Dan Campbell
February 5, 2008 7:06 PM | Link to this
HUCKABEE IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE. YOU GUYS JUST CANT STAND IT WHEN HUCKABEE IS WINNING OR DOING VERY WELL CAN YOU?
THIS IS AMERICA. THOSE AMERICANS CHOSE TO CAST THEIR VOTE TO HUCKABEE. THAT IS HOW THIS THING WORKS. IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED LIKE THAT.
SO THE MANY STATES THAT HUCKABEE IS GOING TO WIN, ALL JUST HELP FROM MCCAIN? OH BROTHER, GET REAL!
JUST WATCH ALL OF THE DEBATES AND YOU CAN MAKE UP YOUR MIND FOR YOURSELF.
GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE IS THE BEST QUALIFIED TO RUN OUR COUNTRY. THE MEDIA NEEDS TO LEARN TO GROW UP AND LET AMERICANS PICK THEIR LEADER FOR THEMSELVES.
Or better yet, I fused some key debate clips together. Just the words of the candidates selling their soap. Americans have a clear choice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnU3G-HCf9w
GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!!
GO MIKE HUCKABEE WE LOVE YOU!
By Dave
February 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this
Its obvious that McCain and Huckabee are friggin bought on Pro-Amnesty views, what a bunch of loonybins. Say goodbye to America, hello Meximerica. vote with ALIPAC
By Najeh Davenpoop
February 5, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this
Obama wins Georgia, says Yahoo News.
By Glen Clancy
February 5, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this
This was a very interesting transaction. The first ballot gave Mitt 41%, Mike 33%, John 15% and the Doc got 10%. The Doc was eliminated.
So where did his voters go? To Mike. Why? Because Mike agreed that if they did that, and Mike won, then Mike would immediately ask 3 of his delegates to the convention to resign. And according to the rules, any delegate who resigns is replaced by a choice of the winner, namely Mike.
So according to the agreement, Mike replaced those newly resigned delegates with Ron’s delegates. Now Mike has 15 and Ron has 3.
But Ron only had enough voters to increase Mike to 43%, and he won 51.5%. That means that John must have offered 8.5% of his 15%, over half, of his delegates to push Mike over the top.
Ron’s campaign has been, as always, transparent about its dealings. Mike’s and John’s campaigns have not. So we don’t know what transpired with John to put Mike over the top.
But as it stands, Mike has 15 W VA delegates to the RNC, Ron has 3, and John and Mitt have none.
By midnirdr
February 5, 2008 7:24 PM | Link to this
Go figure! If McCain wins the nomination, I’ll will vote for Obama
By PRO-LIFE MAN
February 5, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this
good for Mccain/Huck…Throwing support to Huck just to beat Romney is still support for Mccain, duh people, nothing dirty about getting your man to win
By EAV girl
February 5, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this
Today is the first day I have understood how my Democrat friends felt in 2000. When the opponent is “handed” a victory despite votes to the contrary, it doesn’t seem right.
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this
Dan, all the SCREAMING UPPERCASE POSTS and blood sacrifices you care to offer your imaginary skygod can’t save Huckabee. The man has as much chance of becoming president as Ron Paul. Sorry Glen with one ‘n’, Ron Paul has always been transparently a fringe no-chancer, though I do find you and his other 374 supporters endearing in your disconnect with the real world. Too much Star Trek, maybe?
Obama projected at better than 2-1 over Clinton in GA. Quite a beginning…
By GOP Teacher
February 5, 2008 7:58 PM | Link to this
Today my HS voted and it turned out exactly like the state. Of course it was not by secret ballot and many were unable to say what party affiliation Obama had. Most said “Against Hillary”, but that is not a political party—or is it?
I know a lot of people registered, but do you think more than half of them actually voted? I voted last week but saved my sticker to wear today at school.
By deegee
February 5, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this
Did anyone else see that gasbag Lou Dobbs say to Bill Bennett, “Well, Bill, it looks like a 3-way race in Georgia between John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney. Is that pretty much what you expected?” I thought it was nice of Bill Bennett to politely avoid saying, “Yes, dumbazz. What were you expecting?”
Did Lou complain again about air time to Ted Turner? Larry King would make more sense doing election coverage than Lou Dobbs.
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this
Wow. Pat Robertson on CNN just threw George Bush under the bus, blames the GOP problems on his administration.
Circular firing squad!!!!
By getalife
February 5, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
The CIA released they tortured today and was approved by w
He will veto the FISA bill without immunity for the telecoms.
Your party is in deep trouble Jim.
Wow.
By Glenn
February 5, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this
Well, Georgia’s been heard from on the Dem side.
Too bad West Virginia wasn’t heard from on the GOP side.
GOP Teacher,
Good for you, for preparing your teenagers to be voting citizens instead of allowing them to be handed a diploma and the sudden right to vote as rank amateurs, possibly en route to war. I really admire that.
TKFH the Tetragramaton,
Thing is, it cuts both ways, and tables were turned. One had total cover at the time, and much less to lose. And he was the one who had more on the other than the other had on him. Promise was to stay out of the way. Family roots for someone else, of course.
Very interesting story on Ken-of-the-bunk. I do CA and TX, but the East Coast thing, except for DC, escapes me. Even here; I mean, WTF?
By TAFKAH
February 5, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this
Well, nobody has ever accused me of being Godlike, Glenn, though there were a few occasions where extravagant sexual positions combined with a few grapefruits and a well lubricated Steely Dan have led to visions of the great beyond.
One thing that is interesting today is how surprised the rabble is to discover that Wooten, like so many in the Republican party, is deeply and unavoidably anti-democracy. The voice of the people…fat chance. The whispers of the back room…now that’s the way Jim likes it.
By Jim Wooten
February 5, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this
Just checked out the pattern of voting in Georgia. As predicted, this one will get real close. Romney’s running strong in Metro Atlanta and in some of the state’s stronger Republican areas. McCain’s doing well in th