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Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee?

Three weeks out from the Jan. 3 caucuses, the two are in a dead heat in Iowa. Romney started running TV this week accusing Huckabee of being soft on illegal immigration for supporting college tuition breaks for illegals who had graduated from high schools in Arkansas. Huckabee, though, prompted the greater stir by asking a New York Times reporter: “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister with a theology degree. Posing such a question to a reporter is not a legitimate inquiry or a search for facts . It’s an effort to plant doubt about Romney’s Mormonism. Huckabee acknowledged as much by apologizing to Romney when they met Wednesday in Iowa.

Huckabee’s getting noticed. A Georgia poll of 800 likely Republican voters conducted by Strategic Vision LLC put him at 23 percent, with Fred Thompson at 20, Rudy Giuliani at 17, John McCain at 11 and Mitt Romney at 10. About 12 percent were undecided. In September, Huckabee registered 6 percent in a poll by the same firm.

Huckabee does handle the media well, especially on questions of faith and values. He comes across as authentic and able to hold his own at the national level. He strikes me, though, as a #2 guy — the Southerner that either Romney or Giuliani will need to help carry the South, especially if Obama-Oprah/Bill Richardson is the Democratic ticket.

Romney or Huckabee? You decide.

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By TW

December 13, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Aw, c’mon Jim. Instead of the usual laugh at the Republican candidates, how about a little rationalization of the veteran suicide rate? Just for kicks, ya know, being that yacht sales are up and life is peachy for those of us who ‘work hard’. Maybe a little explanation into how we ‘support the troops’ by gutting veterans’ care?

Failing to give our veterans every dime they need to help with their recovery is nothing short of aiding and abetting the enemy.

Who needs Al Qeada when you’ve got the Republicans?

By Peter

December 13, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Hey Jim’s column works today…..boy that out sourcing got him yesterday !

By Aquagirl

December 13, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Huckabee. The Democrats will kick his a— easily. What a fruitcake.

By DirtyBird

December 13, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Good one Jim,

First off, what’s wrong with a state where fred thompson is ahead of Rudy and Mitt?

Second, if Barack/oprah gets the nod..ANY REPUB will carry the south..you know why..wink. wink.

By Redneck Convert

December 13, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Well, I had the shivers the last two nights after reading about @@ and her coping saw. Its even worse than the missus with a frying pan and on a rampage. I bet if she was turned loose @@ would make us all able to sing soprano in a Boys Choir. Shes a viscuous woman. So is Sister Dusty. Shes so mean she couldn’t even think of something nice to say about me and this Captain guy. I can’t think of much good to say about the Captain neither, but I might be able to mumble something.

Anyhow, I’m all for the Rev. Huckabee. A good Southren Baptist preacher, not some Mormon just ready to marry three or four women oncet he’s in the White House. The Rev. Huckabee would keep our good Southren customs alive and well. For instance, he prays alot before he signs a warrant for the Death Penalty to be carryed out. Thats all right. Long as the criminal gets dead he can pray as much as he wants.

And the Rev. Huckabee would probly let us put up the 10 Commandments anyplace we want. And let the towelheads and others know we don’t have much use for their religion.

Course, the libruls will probly drag him thru the mud over getting that rapist freed but he says he didn’t have nothing to do with it and I reckon the six members of that parole board are all lying when they said he did.

Matter of fact, he give me a great idea. Me and my buddy Jim Earl come up with it last night. We was hearing about how the Rev. Huckabee had the guvners mansion fixed up and then went and signed up for the wedding gift list at several stores. So people could buy him a housewarming gift.

Anyway, we was thinking about sprucing up the trailer and then me signing up for the wedding gift list at some fancy Atlanta stores. You all could go and give some money. You wouldn’t have to sign your name. Heck, I’d be ashamed of myself too if I was some of you. Just use your made-up names. I’ll be letting you know more about this when we get close to fixing up the trailer.

But don’t get me no suits like that guy done for the Rev. Huckabee when he was guvner and then just happened to be appointed to a state board. I hate them and overalls is just fine for me. At church or at work.

I’m awful glad Wooten decided to open the blog today. It was awful hard not to be able to comment yesterday. Course, we all have to cut loose and drink oncet in a while, and I guess Wooten has the right to take a day off now and then.

Have a good day everybody.

By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Merry Christmas all. Without abandoning my support of Fred – tops at the Iowa debate according to the Des Moines Register, http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-13-debate-analysis_N.htm (that’s an underscore before the “N”), I can answer the question: Mitt. Mike Huckabee is funny, and a sense of humor is useful in the job, but I doubt his executive competence. He left the Arkansas republican party in a shambles, at a time when the rest of the South was becoming even more republican. For reasons I cannot articulate – merely a sense – I doubt the integrity of his brand of conservatism, this even though I broadly agree with his pro-freedom acts involving our undocumented friends. Nevertheless, Mitt presents some concerns for me also, for reasons well-documented at http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010979 My broader assessment is that Mitt has proven an adept executive, and a skilled leader. On the negative side, he has as many Harvard degrees as President Bush and Hillary Clinton combined. So while I will take either over any democrat candidate, Mitt between the two.

By Van

December 13, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

A democrat will raise taxes on every single person, whether they work or not.

So why even talk about them.

By Glenn

December 13, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Jesus, Jim. {Angleton} Have we Hobson to thank for the choice between the two?

How ‘bout you go first: Elmer Gantry or Norman Vincent Peale. You decide.

By Jackie

December 13, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Alan Keyes has embarrassed the Republicans. They don’t have an answer to to his questions and their approach to governance. What the Repubs do to articulate how they will govern, if they hope to win, will be instructive as to what we will expect from them.

By Peter

December 13, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Van……. A Republican will start a WAR we will ALL have to PAY for in MORE Taxes, whether we want it or not.

Look at the projections the current WAR will have on ALL Americans, for some time to come…….

All that will come in the way of TAXES !

Why don’t WE talk about that !

By Captain Freedom

December 13, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

THE Captain is relieved to see the Godly Alan Keyes still in the race as a vital force. He certainly shows more pluck and vigour than the increasingly corpse-like Thompson.

But Alan Keyes is clearly the man of the hour. He is a Real Christian, not a Mormontologist. He has extensive experience in politics. (The man has run more races than just about any living politician. Talk about seasoning!)

He is also not a scary Nosferatu-type who lives with gay people in between marriages. In fact, the good Mr Keyes was man enough to evict and disown his only daughter when she had the satanic temerity to announce that she preferred to munch carpet instead of standard man-on-top-get-it-over-with-quick intercourse. Why even the Godly Hucklebee cannot claim that level of intolerance (though he often comes close, and is in fact not far from Keyes in his core beliefs).

But finally and most importantly, Keyes counters the Demoncrat mojo of either a woman or black man as candidate. With Keyes, Right Thinkers can vote Right, but still stand proudly as forward thinkers who broke the barrier to Mandingos living in the “White” House. It is a win-win for True Believers. We stop the Hilary-Obama express; we place a Godly, evolution-hating, gay bashing theocrat in the Presidency (just like Hucklebee!); and since Keyes is in the mold of Steppin Clarence Thomas or JC “that ain’t my baby’ Watts, we needn’t worry about unseemly displays of independence.

Keyes in 08! It is the Right Thing to do.

By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Dear Peter @ 10:21, “Why don’t WE talk about that !” Mostly because the war is essentially over, your side lost, and your rainman-like obsession has no relevance for a future where freedom is increased.

By Van

December 13, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Peter,

As a good leftie, you are all for raising taxes, so why are you complaining.

Even with the war going on, the year to year deficit is shrinking. Yes, the total debt owed by the government is still 10 trillion or something along that line. How do the democrats plan to shrink that? By raising taxes on every person. By allowing the UN to tax us to pay for global warming, whether it is caused by man or not.

In fact, it is the only thing democrats agree on. Let’s tax it. Let’s spend beyond our means - both parties are guilty of this.

It would do Karl’s heart good to see all his followers following the party line. To each according to their needs, from each according to their means.

For those lefties in mid-town, that is Karl Marx not Karl Rove.

By time for the carpet bombing of Iran and the queer surrender monkey bits of San Fran Sicko truth

December 13, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Peter Pecker needs to STFU!! This deranged paranoid lying leftist moron should bugger off back to San Fran Sicko and defumigate its pansy littered queeralicious bathhouse. Peter Pecker is just yet another snivelling lily livered appeasing Bush hating surrender monkey that is utterly pig ignorant about the real world!! Eerily as cretinous as the anally unfunny feckpig aborted shrivelled foreskin and the sullen homosexual mutant inbred redneKKK turd and its sublimely flaccid limp wristed wannabe a towel head alter ego Lance Korporal Syphilis!!

sHuckabeee is a sad and pathetic religious nutter, a blatant nauseating panderer, a massive tax increaser, soft on criminals, soft on grasping greasy illegal leeches and this former tub of self righteous lard has now been caught red handed puking up execrable bollocks about taking the nation back for christ!! Whatever the fook that insane witless bollocks means!!

Romney is way better than sHuckabee, he doesn’t have a stupid presidential surname which folks will laugh at and not vote for. He’s also got a vastly better proven record. Being a member of the MoRoN church of latter day wankers shouldn’t count too heavily against him. After all purely because of the selfish hatefulness of a drooling big eared Texan dwarf we had a bible carrying white trash perjuring Arkansas rapist defiling the White House for eight corrupt to the core pardon selling years!!

Guiliani is still the best of the current crowd, although he’s still way too soft on mincing queers and f ags and the noxious infestation of backward poorly educated racist bigoted illegal mexican type leeches!!

LMFAO at the demoNcrat scum pitching surrender monkey fits at each other as the HiTllarybitch’s campaign of inevitability unravels. Couldn’t have happened to a nastier viler more deserving pathologically lying hatchet faced lard arsed feminazidike!!

To cap it all the black racist snout DEEP in the racial spoils trough bigot sharptongue is on the sharp end of another federal investigation. This is one burn them to death in Freddie’s my black murderous racist bruthas sick and twisted negro that truly needs to endure the fate of all its innocent victims!!

By Captain Freedom

December 13, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

A Captain’s Kudo to van for this nugget of Right Thinking glory:

Even with the war going on, the year to year deficit is shrinking.

This is the mark of a True Keyboard Kommando, the ability to assert brazen nonsense as though it were Gospel — real Gospel, not that buried gold plates written in Egyptian hieroglyph nonsense that the Mormontologists believe in —, with a face as straight as THE Captain’s sexual preference. Yet even THE Captain, brave Keyboardist that He is, would hesitate before posting such an outlandish assertion. Clearly, if THE Captain is a Captain (which is reductio absurdum posit quid pro sonny bono obvious — and people think Victor Davis Aurelius Gorgon Hansen is the only TrueBeliever with a firm grasp of Latin), then Van must be at least a Major, perhps even a Colonel.

Cower, Islamunistofascist liberal bedwetters. Your kung fu is no match for the Preposterousness That is Van.

By Glenn

December 13, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Hi Jackie. Alan Keyes is a perfect gadfly, and as weird as the doctor ordered. I so totally agree with you about the need to answer his question. He did embarrass the Republicans; that seems to be his ontological vocation. That he, as always, embarrassed himself in the process just makes it all the richer.

Jbm’s boy did really well last night. Gotta like that man, sticking it to the—according to the L.A. Times—“corrupt” media.

[Jbm, I replied to your thoughts on church/state sep.]

Perhaps it’s none of my business, Van, but Peter’s not that kind of lefty; unlike the dogmatic Marx, he’s the open-minded kind.

Having said that, Van & Peter, what does having to pay for a war got to do with the merits of war fighting? We’re a nation wealthy enough to pick our wars on their own merits—a less mercenary and more meritorious approach in any event.

[Giuliani/Thompson 08]

By Curious Observer

December 13, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Horrors! Van has created the vision of a (shudder) tax increase.

We can’t have that. Instead, let’s continue on the present path—simply put the extra costs on the federal credit card, much as Congressional Republicans want AMT relief but insist that no taxes be levied to pay for it.

No, the only way to deal with the federal deficit and debt is to cut spending. Cut loose the old geezers who rely on Social Security and Medicare. Get rid of education (but punish the teachers when they fail to thrive on the starvation diet.) And who needs highways and infrastructure?

I have sad news for you, Van. The tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy will disappear at the end of 2010, and Congress will not have to lift a finger to make it happen. Perhaps then we can make a start on making payments on the federal credit card.

At some point, our Republican friends will have to recognize that Santa Claus will not be delivering trillions of dollars to pay for their folly.

By getalife

December 13, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

huckleberry is the lesser of two evils but still a wingnut preacher.

At least he has one real Christian value caring about the poor but wanted to lock up Aids victims showing his wingnut illness.

The best thing for our country is a dem President to clean up w’s disaster.

The gop will stay the course in the destruction of our country.

By time for the carpet bombing of Iran and the queer surrender monkey bits of San Fran Sicko truth

December 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Not only should we lock up AIDS carriers, for everyone’s protection but we should also round up and lock up - FOR LIFE - OR INSTANTLY DEPORT those here illegally - all the far left hate America scum whose putrid puke pollutes this fruited plain!!

Starting with the likes of worthless human scum like getaturd who has NO business being in America!! Greasy commie Cuban illegals like getaturd need to be kicked out immediately

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten-

Mike appreciates the positive ink this morning.

While Mike did apologize for his mistake, did Romney’s reaction not show the country he can’t handle the heat? I think so.

Huckabee ‘08

By jm

December 13, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Less than a year to go until we find w the incompetent’s replacement and the choices for both parties come up lacking. Such is life.

By ron

December 13, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

After looking over the entire slate of candidates,I feel we are doomed.I don’t see a President among the lot of them.If it should come down to Obama and Huckabee as Jim suggests,I wouldn’t even know how to vote for the lesser of Two weevils.

By Camus

December 13, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Since realrep appears to have the inside track on Rev Mike, perhaps he would care to address the following three topics and how they might reflect on the character of his favorite:

  • Huckabee’s overt and extreme efforts to release a convicted, violent rapist, who went on to rape again and murder.

  • Huckabee’s refusal to release his sermons. If he was willing to speak these thoughts in a House of God, why is he hesitant to share these with the American public?

  • Huckabee’s enthusiasm for gifts while Governor, going so far as to set up a Wedding Gift registry to sidestep the legal loophole allowing wedding gifts to elected officials…this despite having been married for many, mnay years at the time.

There is more we could ask about, but let’s limit to these topics for now to explore the good Rev’s bona fides.

By DirtyBird

December 13, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

No matter how much jim wants obama to get the nod, he won’t. everybody, dem, indie, and repub knows he is unelectable, (that’s why jim is always pushing him to get the nod).

no doubt it will be the hildabeast, she is electable and everyone fears this. but it is REALITY. U know what’s gonna happen, repub wives will tel their husband their voting for whatever repub gets the nod…then pull the sheet behind them and click on hilary.

that’s why I suggest husbands be allowed to cast absentee votes for their wives!

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Camus-

I come on this blog in search of other Republicans who might be interested in saving our party.

Your liberal motivation is only worth the time it takes me to type this.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By getalife

December 13, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Damn, the turd needs flushing again, then light a match to cover up the stink.

w has lowered the bar and has moved our country back to the civil rights movement.

We need to move forward with a dem President.

By DirtyBird

December 13, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Realrep - that was pathetic! Someone tries to engage you in honest debate about issues surrounding your candidate and you offer nothing but some BS about a guy having a liberal agenda and dismiss his questioning!

U lose bigtime on that, not even an artful or creative way to dodge the debate…just a tired old trick.

Basically, what u said was, “i come on this blog in search of people who think and agree with me, anything else is a waste of my time.”

That’s political discourse at its best!

By Shar

December 13, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

I find the vagaries of our primary system interesting. The latest poll I read (CNN? I can’t recall who commissioned it) found that the Republican candidate who had the most support nationally over the leading Democratic contenders was John McCain while John Edwards was the only Democrat to be preferred in a hypothetical race with Messers. Guiliani, Romney or Thompson.

Although Romney, Huckabee and Thompson have as much appeal to centrists/liberals as Obama and Clinton do to centrists/rightists (and Hizzoner is sinking under the multiplying issues in his personal life), their respective party faithful seem to be hellbent on nominating one of these specimens on the theory that the person chosen by the other side will be even more unacceptable. The national campaign then proceeds to try to lipstick up their respective pigs by making them look as centrist, and indistinguishable, as possible. This is the thinking that got us Bush/Gore in 2000 instead of McCain/Bradley, has us holding our noses as we vote and makes for elections decided by the Supreme Court and/or seventeen people in Ohio.

Huckabee v. Clinton? Romney v. Obama? As the poet so finely noted, ours can be the country where every prospect pleases and only man is vile.

A side note to jbmlaw - further to our chat on Mr. Murdoch’s effect on the WSJ, there was an article in the NYT yesterday on the very substantial changes he’s made in advance of today’s Board approval of the sale of the paper. Very interesting, with more to come.

By Camus

December 13, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks realrep. About what I expected from this exchange. I will take from this that you have no substantive explanation or defense for your candidate, and that all that I asked about is in fact true.

But we can agree on one thing. I am a liberal. Why does that disqualify me from asking a question? Or perhaps you can’t answer that, my being a liberal and all.

By Peter

December 13, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Van, you and the other goof ball who likes to attack personally with NAME calling, but has little to say.

Both of you are speaking with Forked tongues…..

Republicans are the creators of the BIGGEST Deficits, and you try to call the Democrats spenders.

Do either one of you guys balance your check book ?

Probably not…… just like Bush !

Thank you Glen for the nice comment ?

Yes I am not to the left…. just open minded as you say.

Funny though for a Republican who says we can spend on WAR because we are a Rich country…… you have proven my point that the Republicans are actually the ones who DO spend the MOST.

Thank you for that commentary Glen !

By AmVet

December 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

First, let me say, you high and mighty bloggers annoy us, the less faithful.

Sure, after that other godly Arkinsawyer you peoples want another saint.

Guess what oh sanctified ones? It ain’t gonna happen! We’ze fresh out.

Look, I like Mike too. But he’s got a few major league warts. Big deal. Who doesn’t?

Ditto on Mitt. Though his gauntlet is going to be a more difficult one to navigate because of the obvious problems with that sham Joseph Smith hanging over his head like some sort of nomadic sword of Damocles.

IMHO, Fred’s playing it the smartest. He’s in the driver’s seat on the southern strategy and looks scary enough to appeal to the otherwise distracted evangelicals as it is clear that he relishes a chance to have his large finger hovering over the button. And they respect that.

Rudy wants us to believe he’s the only one with a sufficient spine who can adequately protect us against the invading islamo hordes, but he’s really a wussy on dealing with the fruit cakes and baby killers. So there goes his cred. And besides he’s got that Podhoretz problem.

My crystal ball sees the laughed at loon, the Texas Congressman, winning the nomination in the appropriately named and quasi-liberal St. Paul, by a shocking whisker.

By Peter

December 13, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

WOW read these comments……

HA HA HA HA…….

“By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Dear Peter @ 10:21, “Why don’t WE talk about that !” Mostly because the war is essentially over, your side lost, and your rainman-like obsession has no relevance for a future where freedom is increased.”

The WAR is over Folks, so why is congress working on a 80 Billion dollar deal to fund the troops ?

I guess they need new Tooth polish…..

Our side lost ? Gotta love that comment……. As an American, I am NOT sure if anyone WON as of yet.

My rainman-like obsession is to make sure we don’t spend our country into so much debt we are weaker than we already are as a financial leader in the world.

Have you checked what the dollar is worth these days to the other major currency’s ?

Does that have any relevance in a peace time society……. or perhaps you don’t like peace ?

JBMLAW…. get in line to jump over the cliff…..

Maybe better yet, find some deep sand….this way you won’t have to deal with reality.

See we will be paying for this current WAR for years to come…… through TAXES !

By JK

December 13, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

C’mon Peter, that’s not fair. The dollar is performing brilliantly against the nickel! You’re just trying to see the negative side of things because you hate America as all lefties do. Hahaha! BTW, fake lawyer man is an economics whiz; hasn’t he told you? He’s about to explain why Debt does not actually equal Tax. Hold on, this is gonna be good.

By Commander Guy

December 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Before he ran away to hide from Camus, realrep had this to say about Romney:

did Romney’s reaction not show the country he can’t handle the heat? I think so.

bwahahahahahaha

Cowardly wingnut.

By Stevie Nix

December 13, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

By asking that question about separated-at-birth dieties, Huckebee proved he’s merely another bigot in position to degrade the office of the presidency. You want to believe that these guys in the race have wisdom, but you just cant.

By rollerball2000

December 13, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

This was a very humorous post yesterday by some leftist clown in drag —

By Republican Games December 12, 2007 3:16 PM

“The story is familiar enough to be mind-numbing: Congress takes up an important policy issue; the House passes a popular bill, a majority of the Senate wants to pass the bill but Republicans won’t let the legislation come to the floor. The bill gets pulled, Congress’ approval ratings fall a little further, and everyone wonders how a measure that enjoys the support of a majority of the House, Senate, and electorate can’t reach the president’s desk. Rinse, repeat.”

“Senate Republicans have become so reflexive in filibustering everything..”

See how the liberal mind works? Do you see? If you have an incompetent congress, then it’s Bush’s fault! I suppose the democrocks now running congress also fault Bush for them wasting so much taxpayer dollars and time on dead end Bush administration witch hunts - all just to get “even” with the man who “stole” “their” election in 2000. What a crock of crap.

Like a ball & chain clamped to their ankles on a chain gain, the democrocks have been so fixated on getting even with Bush (and raising our taxes) that they have ignored the will of The People and rendered themselves effectively useless.

But back to the idiot that posted the above comments, I suppose that left wingnut lib didn’t say a thing when the democrock minority from 2000-2006 filibustered everything the Bush administration and Congress was trying to accomplish and pass, from tax cuts to judge appointments. Tsk, tsk, tsk. What short memories democrock liberals have - and what small minds and narrow vision.

By HAHAHAHA!!!

December 13, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Some jack@ss posts a CNN polling link that says Edwards the Breck Wench is slaying GOP candidates and is proud of it. NOW THAT IS FUNNY!

Oh let me get out a FoxNews poll and see what it says.

What an idiot!

By Captain Freedom

December 13, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Much has been made of the irrationality of Rev Mike’s fundamentalist beliefs. THE Captain objects to this irreverent contumely. While Islamoliberesbians might scoff at such ideas as the Burning Bush, virgin birth, and the spectre of four flaming horsemen traversing the sky to herald the Rapture, True Believers know these things to be self-evident.

But when it comes to the Mormontology cult, well, some of those ideas are simply defy credulity. To wit, the following basic primer on Mormontologist creed:

The LDS church holds that Joseph Smith, directed by the angel Moroni, unearthed a book of golden plates buried in a hillside in Western New York in 1827. The plates were inscribed in “reformed” Egyptian hieroglyphics—a nonexistent version of the ancient language that had yet to be decoded. If you don’t know the story, it’s worth spending some time with Fawn Brodie’s wonderful biography No Man Knows My History. Smith was able to dictate his “translation” of the Book of Mormon first by looking through diamond-encrusted decoder glasses and then by burying his face in a hat with a brown rock at the bottom of it. He was an obvious con man. Romney has every right to believe in con men, but I want to know if he does, and if so, I don’t want him running the country.

A vote for L Ron Romney is a vote for Satan’s brother.

THE Captain has spoken.

Keyes/Huckabee 08 !!! It’s the Right Thing to do.

By Camus

December 13, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

rollerball makes an incisive comparison of the current Republican filibuster mania with the flood of filibusters mounted by the Dems during the first 6 years of the Bush raj.

Alas, there is not record of one - not one — Dem filibuster during that time. rollerball’s reflexive hysteria regarding all things Dem is equal to his ignorance of recent history.

By Curious Observer

December 13, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

@rollerball2000,

The problems of Senate Democrats are of their own making. They have chosen to maintain an antiquated 60-vote system to move legislation to a vote. Remember how Bill Frist got votes for the latest two Supreme Court judges? He threatened the “nuclear option”—getting rid of the 60-vote system. That’s what the Democrats need to do now. Otherwise, they will be viewed as ineffectual—which is what they are with the handcuffs they’ve put on themselves. A majority—not a supermajority—ought to be sufficient.

By Cold reality

December 13, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

The Democrats are putting election victory at risk by throwing so much money and support behind their show horses, Hilary and Barak. They have a real opportunity to win back the White House are reducing their chances with two candidates who show how “enlightened” the party is, but who have extreme electability liabilities, ie gender and race. Edwards is easily electable. But it looks like the Democrats are going to nominate a political quadraplegic.

By AmVet

December 13, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Captain, thanks for the update. Much great info there; and I had no idea that Smith was a fellow Buffalo Bills fan!

I do get a tad flummoxed though over this list of no-nos:

  • alkeehol (Redneck Convert is definitely not going to like that!), though in and of itself, being a conservative prohibitionist is not terribly noteworthy

  • coffee and tea (WTF?! Are these people trying to ruin the entire American economy by putting the squeeze play on Starbucks, Caribou, et al?)

  • “passionate kissing outside of marriage”. Zooks! What can you possibly say about this one except they need to rent “Footloose”.

First we endure the scourge of junk science from these global warming alarmists, now we get junk religion from these so called Protestants and Catholics.

[AmVet 08]

By jm

December 13, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

it doesn’t matter who gets elected, republican or democrat. neither one will raise taxes or cut spending, since doing either one will get them voted out in the next election.

By It's obvious

December 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

That Smith was a nutter, cult con man. How so many intelligent people can swallow that load of bullbagels is beyond me. They do, however, have a really good choir. Maybe they can all be deprogrammed and transfer to the calm, reasonable United Methodist Church, where we look at Baptists and think to ourselves, “Man, those people are freaks.”

By Dirtty

December 13, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Huckabee, sounds like a Huckster. So we have a huckster, a muslim jesus freak, a two time lying back stabbing husband, a cancer bespeckeled would be fighter pilot - sounds like the current chimp in chief divided amoung four wanna be’s. Excuse me while I laugh at the Repuke party….

By Curious Observer

December 13, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

The race I want to see: Dennis “I saw a flying saucer” vs. Ron “Elect me president of your government and pretty soon I’ll get rid of your government.”

By CJ

December 13, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

I was disappointed to learn that Gov. Sonny Perdue intends to layoff 200 state technology workers and send more than 500 additional state technology employees to work for private companies. Aside from acting on the myth that privatizing government services is always more efficient and effective (the City of Atlanta’s problems with United Water is just one of scores of local examples of privatization gone bad), Perdue’s decision illuminates the true values of many Georgia citizens and voters.

With all the discussion of family values, such talk rings hollow when we, via our elected representatives, eliminate the jobs of some and chip away at the job security of others for no practical purpose other than to execute a privatization ideology that has little basis in fact. Undoubtedly, this decision to outsource existing state functions will lead to campaign contributions from the well-heeled, lucrative contracts for the well-connected, irretrievable losses at taxpayer expense, and scandal. We Georgians will only have ourselves to blame for electing politicians who think nothing of treating our fellow citizens as disposable.

By Jeff

December 13, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

If it is between Romney or Huckabee, I’m writing in the name of the ONLY ‘Hope for America’.

Dr. Ron Paul

Though, like AmVet, I DO see him winning the (R) nomination out right and shocking the nation.

At that point, he’ll have a cake walk into the White House.

By CJ

December 13, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Hey. What happened to Jim’s post on outsourcing that was up earlier today?

Dammit.

Sorry about the confusion.

By CJ

December 13, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Jim wrote, “He strikes me, though, as a #2 guy — the Southerner that either Romney or Giuliani will need to help carry the South, especially if Obama-Oprah/Bill Richardson is the Democratic ticket.

Note to Wooten: Richardson will not be not be on anybody’s ticket, Obama or otherwise.

Between Romney and Hucklebee, the lesser of the two evils is Alan Keyes.

The Republicans are screwed.

By getalife

December 13, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

In this dem debate, I see a President and her cabinet.

By Peter

December 13, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Hey JK that was a good one !

BTW have you noticed that if you ask a direct question here on this Blog to any one of the many Right wingers here.

NOT a single one of them comes back with a REAL answer !

Only stuff like… “that is in the past”…….. as if the WAR is Over, or that the deficit will just take care of it’s self and Magically go away.

The deficit usually DOES go away……. after a Responsible Democrat is elected and makes it their goal to balance the BUDGET, and have America as a thriving ECONOMY.

I also realize the guys I ask questions to, realize they need to balance their own personal check book…… BUT they don’t feel the same about the way America is RUN.

And of course if you DO NOT AGREE with them….. then you are a target for name calling.

Gotta love the way they debate !

By I'm Voting for Obama

December 13, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

OBAMA in ‘08!

By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Dear Peter @ 12:38, “Yes I am not to the left…. just open minded as you say.” Are you so “open-minded” that you would be receptive to deep cuts in domestic spending to cure the deficit? Most irredeemable leftists adhere to a bizarre belief that spending cannot be reduced, but that taxes can always be increased with no effect. Are you in that class of “open-minded” people?

By Heywood Jablome

December 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Just a brief aside here today. Here’s a quiz for all you masters of the English language.

What is wrong with this statement by Gov Sonny Boy?

“I have a lot of pathos for Arthur Blank and his situation in this case,” Gov. Sonny Perdue said.

Sweet Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick!! This is the best our state’s highest elected official can do? Is it any wonder education goes nowhere in Georgia when it is clear that the people at the top never bothered to get edumacated in the first place.

Yo, Sonny boy…

— Heywood Jablome

By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Dear Peter @3:08, while we are talking about geniuses who refuse to respond to a direct question, I noticed that in response to Jim’s softball question today, “Romney or Huckabee?” you responded, “Hey Jim’s column works today…..boy that out sourcing got him yesterday !” Truly a dazzling intellect at work there. Most would say you refused to answer a direct question, but I, perceiving the genius at work there, understand that you answer is actually an encrypted treatise comparing the strengths and weakness of the two. Great effort.

By getalife

December 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Excellent Dem debate on the issues.

Any one of the Dems will change this country for the better.

gop, stay the destruction course with business as usual.

By getalife

December 13, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Senate Committee Approves Contempt Resolutions Against Rove, Bolten.

Good.

By Dusty

December 13, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

I just can’t see it. Not Romney. Not Huckabee. Nice guys. I just don’t see either of them as President.

There is a quality which each one of us searches for in nominees. Maybe it is the indefinable Churchillian “leadership” quality which few possess.

So far, Guiliani has come the closest to being above the crowd. He has a quality of “I will make up my mind and I will do it.” He has shortcomings and admits it and moves on. His skin is thick and “small wounds” do not stop him. He has a “heart” but it is private as it should be.

Huckabee would coninue to make a ….good Baptist minister!! Romney would make… an eloquent good looking TV host for serious presentations. Like I said. They are nice guys…. who probably like oatmeal for breakfast.

Anyway, I’m not worried yet. The best is yet to come.

By getalife

December 13, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

“The bill bans waterboarding and confines the CIA to the interrogation tactics permitted by the Army Field Manual In a 222-199 vote, the House today passed the FY2008 Intelligence Authorization bill, which bans waterboarding and confines the CIA “to the interrogation tactics permitted by the Army Field Manual on Human Intelligence Collector Operations.”

gop voted for torture.

Geez.

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Mike salutes former Sen. George Mitchell’s efforts to clean up America’s Game.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Mike salutes cute puppies.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Mike salutes motherhood.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Mike salutes long walks in the rain and cuddling.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Mike salutes the ample round bootay of Jennifer Lopez.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By Dusty

December 13, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

RealRep@4:13

We know you support Huckabee. That’s fine. But your post a vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary doesn’t cut it. It makes you into a anything-goes party worker. Let’s not act like Democrats. OK?

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Mike does not appreciate Dusty’s attitude, and gladly sends her support elsewhere. Mike much prefers to contemplate the ample roundness of the J-Lo tushie to paying any attention to Dusty, who is not worth the time it took to type this.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By Mrs. RepubLady

December 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

I like Guiliani because he has that “I will make up my mind to do whatever I want” kind of quality. Like Tony Soprano. Just ask his wives! Nobody will mess with us with To-, I mean Rudy in power. A smart Republican woman always gets the blackmail goods on her man before marrying. Mine would lose every dime of our defense contractor stocks if he messed around on me, so I know he’s true! The first two Mrs. Guilianis were idiots, and they can pay the piper now.

Guiliani and big profits in ‘08!

By RealRep

December 13, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty-

Never will I go against President Reagan by typing a negative word about Sen. McCain.

Liberals who infiltrate or buy their way into The Republican Party will not be extended that courtesy.

A vote for Giuliani is a vote for Hillary.

Huckabee ‘08

By deegee

December 13, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty@ 3:45 - “So far, Guiliani has come the closest to being above the crowd. He has a quality of “I will make up my mind and I will do it.”

That’s fine, Dusty but we aren’t electing a dictator.

By jm

December 13, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw@3:17 are you willing to cut costs in the areas of defense?

By Peter

December 13, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

JBMLAW that is so cute…….

I made a comment on Jim’s site actually working today, as compared to yesterday…when it never worked.

And you noticed….. Thank you for noticing, that is very special to me !

Also I think our spending actually should be at home NOT at WAR.

Infrastructure, and HELPING Americans is where we ought to be.

I know you are all about ripping the poor off, and kicking them down, gotta enjoy the love that comes from this blog……

Church on Sunday….sinning the rest of the week !

Now that is MORE of what Republican’s call…..”Family Values”

By Tiny Tim

December 13, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

You know, the wonderful staff at the clinic, the nurses, the doctors, and the men in white coats all tell me that I have got to try to control my temper. And I try. I REALLY, really try. But when I see what Jbmlaw does to some of the liberals on this blog, these liberals who keep us so hopeful and filled with cheer that we call them “our sunshine”….and when I think of the humility and pain that they’re going to have to bear for the rest of their blogging lives just so jbmlaw can have his idiotic little moment, well, it…makes…me….want…to…(camera to tiny tim wielding two chained-together crutches as numbchucks in a ferocious dung-foo diplay of technique and grace, and then camera to jbmlaw beating it like a little girlie bunny rabbit.

just kidding, God Bless Us Everyone.

What do the Mormons believe? Google Mormons and read for two minutes and tell me why nobody asks Romney, “Boxers or Briefs?”

By getalife

December 13, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

It was great to hear all the Dem candidates want out of Iraq and give back our freedoms stolen by w.

They will restore the Constitution and the rule of law making the choice real Americans can not turn down.

By jbmlaw

December 13, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Dear jm @ 3:17, absolutely not, that is the only legitimate use of common funds at the federal level. But everything else, shut it down.

By Jackie

December 13, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

The campaign being waged by the Repubs should give us all insight into what, when and how these folks think about the citizens of this country. How could any of us not be astonished at how callous these folks are?

By jm

December 13, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw@5:56 - so regardless of whether or not it has merit, if it is related to defense, it is sacrosanct, correct?

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