Thinking Right

By One

December 5, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Good for him!!! Wish we could carbon copy and ship him all around the US!!

By Peter

December 5, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Wow here we have a typical Jim Whooten column, he is talking racial, whites vs Blacks, and saying absolutely nothing.

“Dirty Dancing” in our schools, wow that is really something we should be concerned with?

I would say we should be more concerned how badly our education system has become under the BUSH administration!

Especially with the continues cuts in the Bush education budget.

WASHINGTON - U.S. students are lagging behind their peers in other countries in science and math, test results out Tuesday show.

The test, the Program for International Student Assessment, was given to 15-year-olds in 30 industrialized countries last year. It focused on science but also included a math portion.

The 30 countries, including the United States, make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which runs the international test.

The average scores for U.S. students were lower than the average scores for the group as a whole.

U.S. students also had an average science score that was lower than the average score in 16 other OECD countries. In math, U.S. students did even worse — posting an average score that was lower than the average in 23 of the other leading industrialized countries.

The test also was administered to students in about two dozen countries or jurisdictions that are not part of the industrialized group.

When compared with the broader group, the U.S. students fell in the middle of the pack in science and did somewhat worse in math.

We continue to lag behind other industrialized nations in Education, all during the BUSH Administration’s reign, and we have a conversation about “Dirty Dancing”.

Wow ha ha ha ha ha……. NOW this is truly FUNNY !

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. As I acknowledge limits in my physical co-ordination, dancing is one of those areas where I write without personal knowledge (although my older son is famous among his friends as a gifted dancer.) I’ll sign onto Jim’s argument – one justification for schooling is to teach standards, not to ratify the behaviors of the lowest of the low. I will parrot the argument of our friend MidSouth: if the school wishes to require “fox trot” only at its dances, it’s the school’s money; the kids have a choice to attend the after-hours function, or not.

One could flip the question to get an interesting argument: suppose the superintendent was requiring vulgar dancing at the school functions? Protected free speech? Burning a flag is not speech either, at least no more so than blowing up an abortion clinic. Speech is the only thing that is speech. There may be a reasonable question as to whether dances are a necessary element of schooling, just as one could reasonably challenge football or music or sex education programs; perhaps that is beyond the scope of Jim’s topic today.

Great argument on argument. http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010945

By Jacob Wood

December 5, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

Parents and administrators have been lamenting the way “kids today” dance and the music the listen to for 90 years. This is no different, and much ado about nothing.

By Tony

December 5, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Schools are for teaching and learning. The principal/superintendent should implement rules and regulations appropriate for that function. Dancing is not part of the fundamental mission of the school and should not be subject to debate.

By Truthifier

December 5, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

While some may use his past to try to smear him, the fact that Mr. Ceyanes was a father at 17 tells me that he knows what he is talking about with regard to inappropriate physical contact among minors and should be listened to.

By Phil o sopher

December 5, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

There is absolutely a limit to what should be tolerated in public school. Why I remember walking to school bare foot. No, wait a minute. That’s a different story. Way back when I was in high school, we were required, on several occasions in one of our social studies classes, to select a partner - of the opposite sex - and perform ritualistic movements to sounds that were defined by our teacher as music. I recall some of these movements as being described as square dancing. The other ones I have successfully managed - with the aid of time - to block from recall. Ah yes, those were the good old days. The days when sex education was to be found in the back seat of a ‘57 Chevy…..or was it an Edsel. Times have changed and so must the techniques we use to educate our children. Therefore, my hat goes off to Jason Ceyanes - Oh teacher and/or provider of more modern yet tasteful and appropriate dance steps.

By Captain Freedom

December 5, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

THE Captain applauds the courage of Mr Wooten. Many pundits would feel a compulsion to remark on the NIE kerfuffle, what with its weighty import regarding the possibility of a Glorious War on Iran, just in time for Christmas.

But not for our Mr Wooten the easy path of shameless trend following. NO! Mr Wooten eschews the embarassing fact that Iran has not pursued nuclear arms for the past several years, and tackles an issue that has real significance and heft — the way those silly and degenerate Negroes continue to find new and different ways to dance that suggest copulation.

Thank God that Wooten, like Our Leader Bush, has the courage to ignore inconvenient issues such as the latest NIE, and can instead turn full force to the threat posedby Mandingo to the flower of White Christian Womanhood.

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Aids has forced most people to quit having unprotected sex. Instead, sex has become chatroom sex, or dance sex, where there is no real sex, only the insinuation of sex. Aids has forced this new mutation of carnality.

In the beginning, (1956), Elvis Presley inculcated sex into dance with the pelvis strut, then there was a quick evolution which saw the twist, which was so sexy, that it was banned in most american schools. Then there was the locomotion, the freddy, the monster mash, the watusi, the mash-potato, the alligator, and after while, they did the crocodile: All Banned by most US schools because to participate nearly always caused the dancer’s naughty parts to become tingly and engorged

This led to friday night at the drive-in where anything goes. I loved the drive in. Anything went.

But then aids happened. Aids changed everything. Sex now has to be mimed. It is too risky to do otherwise. Thus we have people voguing sex, but remaining virgins, and pure as the driven snow. Thanx to dirty dancing, white wedding gowns will no longer draw snickers from the bride’s side of the pews during matrimony.

By Redneck Convert

December 5, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Well, I’m not for any of this dancing, specially when its dirty. Its against the bible. First you see a boy and a girl rubbing against each other on a dance floor and next thing you know they are doing You Know What and making babys for us hardworking taxpayers to support. Its all Sin, is what it is. I knowed it would come to this. I told everybody back when Elvis Presley and the others started rock and roll that sooner or later things would just break out in Sodom and Gonorrhea if somebody didn’t put a clamp on it, and now we got hippity-hop and all kind of stuff that just promotes dirty dancing and Sin. Specially amongst Those People that just drop babys like they was rocks and go on about their bizness.

We would be alot better off if we had seperate schools for boys and girls. But if we can’t have that I guess we need Vouchers for private schools where boys and girls don’t do dirty dancing and You Know What and they don’t have a bunch of godless libruls teaching them Sin and bad thinking and the wrong politics.

I bet if the Truth was told godly conservatives like TFTT and jbmlaw and Van and Sister Dusty and Captain Freedom never done no dancing or You Know What when they was in school and not married. They was taught Right but the libruls on this blog was probly whooping it up and acting like there wasn’t such a thing as Morals and running around nekkid as a jaybird and doing You Know What with everybody they met.

Anyway, I get mad when I read the stuff Wooten writes about what the libruls and Those People done. This country is falling apart and we need godly conservative leadership to nip it all in the bud.

By John in Tampa, FLA

December 5, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

The rest of the world is concentrating on teaching their children math, science, etc. We are concentrating on telling our kids how to dance. Methinks are priorities are a tad misplaced.

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Idiotarian jbm writes: “if the school wishes to require “fox trot” only at its dances, it’s the school’s money”

More intellectual consistency from the Randian ambulance chaser. Whose money, shyster boy? That money came out of the taxpayer pocket, and if the local community approves of the lascivious dancing, then it is their money to spend on their event. If the school community wants a foxtrot, then foxtrot it shall be. If they want “dirty” dancing (a ridiculous controversy that arises with every successive generation), then let the hump grinding begin.

If Jason Ceyanes is upholding the community sentiment, good for him. If not — and given that Wooten only quotes people complaining about the moralistic pecksniff, and none in support — then Ceyanes needs to either find another community or serve the one he works FOR.

Heywood Jablome

By BS Aplenty

December 5, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

I was watching ‘Dancing with the Stars’ the other night. I know, I know, I usually don’t watch but also confess to some “dance envy.” I was watching because my wife commandeered the 42” plasma screen TV and told me that, if I tried to change the channel, I’d never “grind” again. So I watched.

After viewing the DWTS program I realized that many dances have a sexual component to them. You just can’t dance in close proximity with another and not at least think about the sex act. That thought would be magnified five-fold for a normal teenager. The “slow dances” on darkened gym floors of my generation were golden opportunities for limited exploration into some forbidden territories - but I digress.

It is unfortunate in this case but completely within character for teenagers to explore the boundaries of social behavior. Here, they’ve gone a bit too far and the good administrator has correctly corralled the perpetrators. It’s like Justice Brennan (?) said, I can’t define pornography, but I know it when I see it.

It appears the good administrator has seen it, too.

what you’re seeing is the decline in teaching the arts, including music & dance to all students.

By Truthifier

December 5, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Why are people saying this is a racial issue? I’m sure this type of dancing is enjoyed by black, white, latino and asian kids. Was there some suggestion in Mr. Wooten’s posting or in other news accounts that this is a black/white issue? While I tend to take a more liberal point of view than Mr. Wooten, my question about this whole issue is why would any parent be a proponent of the sexualization of their children? If the kids want to dirty dance, they can wait until they are adults to do it and then do it as often as they like.

By Captain Freedom

December 5, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

THE Captain appreciates the Redneck’s attempts to make up for his transgressions of yesterday, but fears that it is too late for the inbred mutant to make amends.

THE Captain’s remarks of 4:26 pm yesterday still stand.

By Ron

December 5, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Dirty dancing has to be more instructive that Intelligent Design.Better for you in the long run too.Sorry,Jim,can’t agree with you today.

By Carolyn Wilder

December 5, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Jim, it is a sorry day when the parents are protesting for their child’s right to dance and dress in an inappropriate fashion. I say hooray for at least one principal’s common sense. Just one more reason for school uniforms.

By TW

December 5, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Does the latest NIE mean that ahmadinejad has passed bin laden on the list of leaders who make our Republican President look like a clown?

By Despise Lies

December 5, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

You people are morons…..

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

I hope Argyle’s High School students show up at the christmas dance with mistle toe hung over their zippers, and do the shag and the Moniconga..

If there’s one thing I cant stand, is a no good, do-gooding, goody-goody stool pigeon bigot drowning others with his own unique and arbitrary sense of moral fashion.

Let this Jason Ceyanes look for armed students intent on shooting up school dances instead of worrying his teeny weeny peeny about hot pants.

Didn’t Columbine teach us anything? Encourage dance. Encourage the development of social skills. Maybe this Jason Ceyanes character needs to see the movie, “To Sir With Love”, and watch how a real teacher, Sidney Portier, handled his students at dances. (hint: he danced with them, and there was some real funkaliciousness going down, dawg).

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Does the latest NIE mean that ahmadinejad has passed bin laden on the list of leaders who make our Republican President look like a clown?

I think Putin takes the crown on this score. Has any US President ever been punked as completely as Bush was by Putin? Really, come on wingnuts, a concrete example, please. (and no, Bush’s crawling to the Chinese over the downed airplane doesn’t quite match up, though it is a good one.)

Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and examined his soul, and liked what he saw. What a tool.

• Heywood Jablome

By ab

December 5, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

yeah on the surface it sounds stupid that this man in his position is more worried about style of dancing instead of education. however if you parents were to come to a dance and see the types of behavior that your children are displyaing (the types mr. ceyanes and other school administrators are having to discourage), you would be singing another tune and definately would be first in line at your local board of education complaining to the superintendent that your school principal allows such behavior to go on.

By Adams

December 5, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about dirty dancing in Argyle, Texas.

Bush continued telling us that Iran was developing nuclear weapons after our intelligence community had informed him otherwise.

Our distinguished President was caught lying (again) to take us to war (again) without regard to the pain and suffering that his endless warmongering would cause to our troops and their families (not to mention the innocent men, women and children of Iran that would be killed, maimed, displaced and otherwise affected).

I say that it’s way past time to impeach Bush. Deliberately misleading the American people to justify military action is a high crime.

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

That’s not true ab, I have seen all ages dance for fifty years, and nothing changes, there’s only so much the body can do, and it’s all been done, and scandals come and go, and was that you in the john tapping your toe? oh no. I’ve got to go.

moron

By deegee

December 5, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

File this one away with the baggy pants that show your drawers issue. There are some kids that will come to the dance dressed like a streetwalker but most will not. There are some kids that will bump and grind to the music but most will not. There should be adult chaperones at the dance that can stop something before it goes too far. Apparently this school administrator has attempted successfully to make a national name for himself. Hoo-ray for him.

By Watta Load

December 5, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

More Wooten fuddy-duddy-ness. But still nothing about that darned Iraq war…isn’t that thing still around? Is it just me or this blog becoming fluffier every day?

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Dear Jab @ 9:47, you and I are in full accord, much to your distress. Re your 10:41 note, how about the North Korean nuclear technology transfers negotiated by President Carter during the Clinton administration. (How’d that work out anyway? You know, how they used peaceful technology to generate industrial quantities of fusible materials, then suddenly one day they blew up a nuclear bomb. Not that anything comparable is going on with Iran’s generation of industrial quantities of fusible materials. Aren’t leftists comically slow to learn from past disasters?)

By Laurie

December 5, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Piggybacking on the post by Adams at 10:48 — the Wall Street Journal is reporting this morning that the NIE report that informs us that Iran had stopped their nuclear weapons several years ago “is raising tensions between U.S. hard-liners and the intelligence community over the findings.”

That’s true. This report is raising tensions in the same way that denying my 3-year old a cookie before mealtime raises tensions between the two of us. If Dick Cheney and Associates don’t get the intelligence they want, they throw themselves down on the ground, stomp their feet and cry.

By MELO

December 5, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Dirty dancing, that is a white expression we blacks dont often hear.Dancing is dancing and it can be close or not so close.Either way, the school honcho is right, no hunky panky for kids. But then Wooten,when are we going to talk about the new Intelligence report on Iran and the Bush lies and deception to want to take us to war with Iran.Thats more topical and interesting. The school issue is much ado about nothing!

By Bookdoctor

December 5, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Unlike most of those commenting, I actually have a child in high school.

Schools in GA have rules on what is allowed in the hallways and classrooms. The rule at my kid’s highschool is no PDA. They aren’t overly aggressive about it, but they don’t allow groping in the hallways either. There is also a dress code that is enforced. The same type of rules apply to the school dances, where grinding is not allowed and appropriate dress is required.

I don’t always agree with all of the rules, but neither does anyone else in the community. The community arrives at a commonly agreed upon standard for the entire school system. I doubt everyone in this Texas school district disagrees with the principal. Small vocal groups always get more press.

We should all remember, the dances are optional, not required, extra curricular, etc. If you don’t like the rules, don’t go or don’t send your kids.

By deegee

December 5, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Nouri Al-Maliki should be pretty close to the top of the list of leaders that make W look like a clown. Fortunately for W there is Hugo Chavez. I imagined W hive-fiving his staff on Monday afternoon after hearing the news from Venezuela.

By One

December 5, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Parents can be dumber than the students most times, as is evident here on this blog!!!!!!!!!

By A.J.

December 5, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw @11:03 asked, “…how about the North Korean nuclear technology transfers negotiated by President Carter during the Clinton administration. How’d that work out anyway?”

Actually it worked out great until the Republican-led Congress refused the allocate the necessary funds to provide the heavy fuel oil to North Korea for them to use as a substitute for the nuclear energy they would lose by dismantling their nuclear facility. When Clinton was President, the Congress complained that, by agreeing to provide heavy fuel oil to North Korea, that we were subjected to and agreed to blackmail. As a result, these Republicans prevented us from upholding our end of the bargain. So, we broke the agreement with North Korea that was negotiated by Carter/Clinton. Once we broke the agreement, there was no agreement for North Korea to comply with. As common sense foretold, North Korea re-instituted its nuclear program.

Now, Bush has negotiated essentially the same deal with North Korea that the Carter/Clinton team previously negotiated. We’re providing heavy fuel oil in exchange for North Korea dismantling its nuclear facilities.

This diplomatic approach seems to be working as well this time as it did the first time. The difference this time, however, is that the Republicans in Congress aren’t complaining since this agreement was negotiated by a Republican administration instead of a Democratic administration — yet again revealing themselves as the hypocrites they are.

By J

December 5, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Reading this makes me want to either forbid my elementary aged daughters from future high school dances, or insist that I go with them where I would watch them-and especially any boy they dance with-like a hawk, and I would care less what they or their peers would think. Call me an overprotective parent, but if other administrators won’t step up like this man did, then that’s what I will unapologetically do. After they hit college then I’ll have to let go, but in high school, no. Prom night is especially dangerous for naive teenage girls. Many girls lose their virginity that night, and I’ll be darned if I have to raise a baby when I shouldn’t have to. No dating till college either, only with me or her father chaperoning. After all the work I’ve put into my daughters I will not let them ruin their lives on my watch, and they will learn the extent of my stubbornness, I’m sure. I think this administrator is absolutely right. Good for him.

By Peter

December 5, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Not one Right winger on this blog has said anything about how POORLY US students are doing compared to the rest of the Industrialized world……

Why is that ?

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Good one, deegee, I guess CNN reports that this principle opened his lid and shook his fist and said, “Whatever happened to my Transylvanian Twist?”

It’s now the mash

By jm

December 5, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw@11:03 - the agreement with North Korea pretty much accomplished only two things. It kept known quantities of fissile material under seal and observation and bought time, in the hope that the Kim regime would finally collapse. Also, don’t forget, the U.S. did not keep their end of the bargain either (the U.S. and Japan were supposed to deliver light water reactors to North Korea for power generation).

Under the new agreement, the U.S. is off the hooks for the reactors but only after North Korea used the fissile material that had been under seal to test a nuclear weapon (have heard mixed reviews on how successful the test was), thus letting the genie out of the bottle.

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

jbm,

If we agree on 9:47, why did your earlier post express an inherent contradiction to this?

Inconsistency, as I remarked. When you flip-flop like this, we are bound to be in agreement 50% of the time; and like a stopped clock, you will be intermittently correct, though through no merit of your own.

As to the N Korean transfers of energy technology, the Clintoon admin rightly saw that buying off (and of course, that’s what it was)the North Koreans served two purposes: it kept the arms development inactive, and it provided relief to a population that continually suffers severe privation. (And I will grant that is a result of the Kim dynasty and their ill-advised governance, so save your breath.)

The Clintoons realized that it was far cheaper and safer to buy off the Kims than it would be to engage militarily. Blackmail? You bet. And a common game in the history of international relations. (ref. Pakistan since 9-11, for example) And the damndest thing is this…it worked to contain the N Korean arms development.

Forward to the Bush policy: Unilateral disengagement, a refusal to negotiate in any meaningful way, and bellicose comic book assertions of Axis of Evil nonsense. N Korea recognizes that to get back on the gravy train they need to gear up their pitiful efforts at arms development. Bush and team sputter and rage, but having shot their wad in Iraq, they have no capacity to do anything militarily. So in the end they go right back to buying off the Kims with the same kind of arms/food/money transfers that the Clintoons were using.

So, your example falls to pieces. Perhaps you would now like to flipflop on this position to allow yourself to be correct? Or, do you have another howler you would like to launch?

—Heywood Jablome

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Props to AJ and JM for spotting the gaping holes in jbm’s Korea example. Low hanging fruit, I grant, but well done all the same.

—Heywood Jablome

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Okay, the next person who blogs, “Even a stopped clock is right twice a day” is banned forever from planet earth.

Hey, shove a stick in the ground. You’ve got a sundial. Know what? It’s accurate 100 percent of the time.

What’s your point? You know when the”stopped clock is right twice a day” maxim was a wise saying? The first time it was uttered. After that it’s the realm of the blog simple stuntwits who torture us all day long everyday like blogging locusts.

just kidding. God Bless us Everyone.

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Add to “leaders” who make W look like the chump that he is:

Ahmad Chalabi.

He’s probably disqualified on a technicality in that he has never actually led a nation, but he did rather effectively lead Dub and Cheney (and Judith Miller) around by the nose.

—Heywood Jablome

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

By Tiny Tim Okay, the next person who blogs,

Tim,

Run a search on today’s blog for the phrase that twists your knickers. You will find it one time, and that is under your name.

—Heywood Jablome

By One

December 5, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Parents can be dumber than the students most times, as is evident here on this blog!!!!!!!!!

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Dear AJ @ 11:24, that’s a relief. I thought North Korea used the technology to create and explode a nuclear device. I’m sooooo glad to hear that did not happen. I thought there had been an incredibly stupid democrat idea to allow a rogue state to have nuclear technology, but I must have been mistaken. I’m so glad you guys would never permit such a thing to happen.

Dear Jab @ 11:34, if you had read the entire first post, including the link on “argument,” you would understand my quotation of our friend MidSouth, and why that is consistent with my advisory to you. Otherwise your North Korea post has the same intellectual content as AJ’s, my compliments on your achievement.

By Tiny Tim

December 5, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

We get the bit, Squats With Wolves. (and idiot)

just kidding. God Bless Us Everyone.

By BS Aplenty

December 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Tiny

Get a grip, man. You’re doin’ a “two-step” all over us bloggers first amendment right to free, bad, incoherent, illogical & poorly-composed speech (emphasis on the free).

When you consider censoring speech again, just ask yourself, what would Jesus do?

God bless us all.

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why you leftists continue to defend the concept of giving nuclear technology to a rogue state - isn’t that in the realm of “inherently stupid?” And I specifically note your avoidance of the obvious parallel between the covert bomb development activities in North Korea and the potentiality for the same by a state that was facilitating murder of our noble troops in Iraq until six months ago.

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Dear Leftists, I have a great idea for you. Let’s persuade Obama to announce that one of his foreign policy initiatives will be to transfer nuclear technology to Iran, to make their efforts to generate fusible material more efficiently, and if in exchange the Iranians will promise to behave. Wouldn’t that be a crowd pleaser?

By bookdoctor

December 5, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

This is about dancing, not Iran, Iraq, North Korea, or any of the presidents!

If you want to know what is wrong with our schools, the comments that are totally off subject are a good example. People get too excited about the wrong things.

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

And just so we don’t leave her out of the calculus, maybe Hillary should announce her desire to help the Syrians rebuild the nuclear processing plant that the Israelis took out a couple of months ago. Why do I get the impression that all leftists are unserious people, who are unable to anticipate foreseeable problems with their initiatives, who just pat themselves on the back when they emerge with a piece of paper with Herr Hitler’s name on it.

By A.J.

December 5, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

As was previously stated, the ‘94 Framework provided for heavy fuel oil for heating and electricy production while North Korea’s nuclear plants were shut down.

I’m not sure why jbmlaw insists on repeating the lie that we (i.e. Clinton/Carter via the 1994 Framework Agreement) provided “nuclear technology transfers” to North Korea. Of course, that’s entirely false, no matter how many times he writes it.

By jm

December 5, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw@12:13 - under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, even rogue states are entitled to nuclear technology. Iraq was following the letter (if not the spirit) of the treaty when Israel destroyed their reactor. Incidentally, neither Israel, Pakistan or India are part of the NPF. If you want the US to become the worlds nuclear police, then declare the npf null and void. Otherwise, learn to live with it.

By reply to bookdoctor

December 5, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

bookdoctor @ 12:09,

FYI, Wooten wrote today’s post to do his part in the right-wing effort to distract us from the news that Bush lies to the American people to justify military action. Some of us are pi$$ed about it and won’t be distracted.

Today is time and this blog is the place for Wooten to have written on the subject of the NIE and Iran. If he won’t, others of us will.

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

jbm: “Why do I get the impression that all leftists are unserious people, who are unable to anticipate foreseeable problems with their initiatives…” and then some unintelligible reference to Hitler.

jbm, you sad little sycophant. More wingnut fear mongering of a make-believe scenario. How about this? Lichtenstein could initiate a military takeover, develop nuclear weapons, and inplement Hitler’s Final Solution once and for all. Granted, they have no military nor advanced weapon development, but IT COULD HAPPEN, so we should take them out now to be sure it doesn’t.

But perhaps sarcasm is too subtle for you. Let’s look instead at some of the vaunted foresight displayed in Republican policy-making:

The 1980s

Arms sales to Iran to fund the contras in Nicaragua. Arms to Iran?!?!?!

Sale of conventional and chemical weapons to Saddam to help him fight Iran. Wait, we always hated Saddam, right?

Stationing US Marines in an unprotected barracks in Beirut. Yeah, that worked out really well.

Support for the mujahedin, including training and massive arms transfers, to help them fight the commies. Good thing the Talibans would never turn our own weapons against us.

Hey, so far so good. Let’s look at some recent goodies:

Arms sales to Saudi Arabia. No chance that might blow back.

$10 billion in aid to Pakistan, which holds nuclear weaponry and has been instrumental in spreading the technology to rogue states. Shrewd. But since they helped us capture bin Laden, it was worth it, right?

Invasion and occupation or Iraq, where we will find copious WMD and be greeted as liberators. Hmmm, still not doing so good.

Doesn’t the cognitive dissonance ever register? Really, jbm…

Heywood Jablome

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

By reply to bookdoctor

FYI, Wooten wrote today’s post to do his part in the right-wing effort to distract us

Exactly so. Expect tomorrow’s post to be a hard-hitting piece concerning the evils of hottie schoolteachers bedding their students. Jim is no doubt FIRMLY AGAINST such chippings away at the moral fabric, etc. blah blah.

March to war??? Hey, look over there…dirty dancing.

Heywood Jablome

By getalife

December 5, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Nice topic Jim.

Geez, shouldn’t you be catching that train?

Once again, the headline in world news is the punking of w and his ilk of neocons by Iran.

Embarrassing, disgraceful, credibility killing, still warmongering, lunatic, radical, gang should resign in disgrace.

Geez.

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Since the United States is the only nation to have actually used nuclear weapons, shouldn’t the world be worried about OUR possession of them?

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

The post at 12:52 is clearly NOT by jbmlaw. That sort of self-awareness is verboten in the wingnut community.

However, the point is valid and worth some thought.

By Redneck Convert

December 5, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

All I got to say is no one wants to hear about Iran and weather it has a A-bomb project going when we got a bunch of dirty dancing and You Know What going on. So Wooten is trying to keep a Moral Path and talk about what’s real important. All he’ll get if he writes about this NIE is a bunch of crap from libruls and running down My President.

So I wish the people that want to talk about this NIE thing would just stick to the topic. If we get a couple of A-bombs dropped on Washington tonight, Wooten will probly have to write about tax increases or welfare moms having lots of babys tomorrow because they are more important.

I see this Captain Freedom is holding on to that grudge against me. Well, I never done nothing but point out he might could need some treatment, and now he acts like I went to his place and shot up his fambly. It just goes to show you can’t be nice to some people. Sure makes my chicken weenie lunch taste bad.

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Why don’t you folks relax a bit? Jim Wooten wrote a nice little piece on the foibles of teen age dancing, a favorite subject of those who no longer do teen age dancing.

I don’t like young people doing “the bottom boogie” but you can see all the squirming and writhing you want right on TV.

The libs, as always, are ready to say “Bush did it!”. But even they realized that was doubtful in this case so they had to get back to some other spite.

Oh, that Bush is so smart. No matter what our nuclear investigators say, he knows that any country refining uranium can easily start an atomic bomb. The bad countries can do it just like the good ones.

Why do you think Israel wiped out Syria’s nuclear start? Because they know the same thing that Bush knows (and most people with common sense know). You do not encourage a rogue nation to manufacture nuclear weapon components. You also do not believe everything they say.

Rave on, libs, but Bush is going to protect this country whether you like it or not. Thank goodness for Bush. Otherwise we’d be sitting ducks for terrorists while “Pres. Gore” worried about the fumes from his car and “Pres. Kerry” worried about who knows what. Purple hearts and ketchup?

By MyMyMy

December 5, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

To get back to the subject at hand… What parent would argue with a principal about a dancing style? I can’t imagine this silly subject is worth the effort these parents are expending. This principal is the school administrator and in charge. He gets to make those decisions. It’s why we hire principals, teachers, etc. Undermining their authority for something ridiculous is a poor way to teach youngsters how to live in our society and lessens the argument when a real problem exists. This constant bullying, and second guessing, of school authority figures by adults are lessons children could do without.

By Anonymous

December 5, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

Since the United States is the only nation to have actually used nuclear weapons, shouldn’t the world be worried about OUR possession of them?

They are… and rightly so, with posturing bullies like Gee Dubya in charage.

“Why do I get the impression that all leftists are unserious people….?”

Because you decided it long ago, and no mere facts or statements from other people are going to change your mind. I guess you can call that “consistency” if you like… in the same way that a rock is consistent in its opinions too.

By angry voter

December 5, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty is spinning for her beloved Bush when she writes, “No matter what our nuclear investigators say, [Bush] knows that any country refining uranium can easily start an atomic bomb.”

Ah, but what Bush knew and what Bush actually said are two different things. Therein lies the rub.

Impeach Bush Now!!!

By @@

December 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Oh no Jim, I enter with my head hung and face blushing. I am guilty of dirty dancing. Here’s my problem — nine out of ten men can’t dance and that includes my husband.

The Lambada, my favorite (Forbidden Dance) is one that exhibits training — more training than what is required to put a “rump roast” through a meat grinder yet today’s butchers abound.

My neighbor’s husband is an excellent dancer and we Lambada every chance we get but we’ve never entertained the thought of doing “the nasty”.

I view today’s youthful dancefloor gyrations as another cheap trick by young men to exploit young women. The guys can’t dance but doing “the nasty” comes natural to them. They mistakenly think it takes talent.

As an adult female, I’m all for raising the roof and the price of admission for dancing privileges at school.

By Patrick Swayzee

December 5, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Dirty Dancing is fun at school

By sue

December 5, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

I applaud that principal! I chaperoned all of my sons school dances because I was appalled with what I saw when I chaperoned the first one. If I couldn’t chaperone he couldn’t go.

By sue

December 5, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

I applaud that principal! I chaperoned all of my sons school dances because I was appalled with what I saw when I chaperoned the first one. If I couldn’t chaperone he couldn’t go.

By Melissa

December 5, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Captain Freedom and others who brought race into this…. I wonder why you assumed the article was speaking of black children? City-data.com shows this for Argyle:

Races in Argyle: White Non-Hispanic (93.8%; Hispanic (4.3%); Other race (2.5%); American Indian (1.3%); Two or more races (1.0%)

What conclusions do you draw from this information?

By jm

December 5, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

back to the subject at hand. Before I applaud or boo superintendent Ceyanes, I would like to see an example of what he considers “dirty dancing”. If his objection is to body contact, then maybe he should just ban dancing in general.

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Anonymous@1:56

First you quote someone who is not even honest enough to use their own ID. I am sure that statement you quoted was posted by one of your “brave” libs, not jbmlaw. He does not post against the USA.

Leftists are “unserious people”? No, they are seriously bitter. Two lost presidential elections made them that way. Poor losers, one and all.

Then they won enough elections to be a majority in Congress. After that, they made a mess for an entire year. More rancor comes because liberals realize they cannot succeed in governing.

In this bitterness, far left Demcrats don’t mind ruining the country in their efforts to incriminate Bush. They do not wish the USA to win in Iraq and that is obvious. They say they support the troops but will not fund the military without adding defeatist time tables. They refuse to accept any progressive reports from Iraq. Liberals are determined that we should be defeated.

As these efforts are not working, now libs are claiming that Bush wants to go to war with Iran. BUSH HAS NEVER SAID THAT. He only warns us of the dangers, as he should.

And you wonder why liberals are considered unserious people? Perhaps unstable might be a better word.

By FYI

December 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty wrote, “Democrats don’t mind ruining the country in their efforts to incriminate Bush…”

Don’t kill the messengers, Dusty. Bush incriminated himself, and he is trying to ruin the country for the benefit of his cronies (the Wall Street Journal reports that Bush’s efforts to get approval for the sale of additional military aircraft and arms to Egypt and Israel is endangered by the release of the NIE report concerning Iran, which undercuts Bush’s justification for these sales).

In short, Bush is greedy and corrupt.

By Phil o sopher

December 5, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Always focusing on the wrong issue will get you where? Always focusing on the wrong issue.

Your use of your big fat long bulging cylindrical nuclear device is what matters - not the fact that you are equipped with it.

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Oh sure,FYI @ 3:04

Bush is greedy and corrupt.

Your blanket bitterness shows quite plainly.

That are NO criminal indictments against Bush because he has done nothing illegal.

You forgot to mention that.

By Peter

December 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Wow you have to love this comment from Dusty.

“Rave on, libs, but Bush is going to protect this country whether you like it or not. Thank goodness for Bush. Otherwise we’d be sitting ducks for terrorists while “Pres. Gore” worried about the fumes from his car and “Pres. Kerry” worried about who knows what. Purple hearts and ketchup?”

George Bush hid during his service to the USA……… Jim Kerry actually GOT a Purple Heart, because he fought Valiantly in Viet Nam……and as a person who “SUPPOSEDLY” supports the Soldiers fighting……

She makes THIS sarcastic remark.

Like the Bush who hid is actually doing something ha ha ha.

Have another donut dear !

By the way what do YOU think of the facts that us students are lagging behind in the world?

By Gee Dubya

December 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

I don’t CARE what the intelligence report said! I didn’t read it! I don’t have to read reports! I’m telling you to BE AFRAID, and it’s your duty as an American to BE AFRAID! If I tell you it’s time to bomb somebody, can’t get.. can’t get fooled ag… I’M THE DECIDER!

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Poor babies..

Peter@3:46.. serving in the National Guard is honorable military service. Bush served. That has already been established many times. You are beating a “dead horse”.

Gee Dubya, lil phony lib,@4:16… we are all glad YOU are not the Decider. Be thankful that Bush can make a decision. He is a Decider. That is why we elected him President and that is what he is doing.

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Liberals and satanists are all the same. They hate all that is good and wholesome in this world. I don’t care if liberals are responsible for the end of Jim Crow laws, for the spread of rural electrification and running water, for public schools, women’s suffrage, MediCare, Social Security, and the Peace Corps. I hate them all! I’m going to go pray for my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ now — but not for the liberal ones of course since they are no good rotten scoundrels determined to end Western Civilization and Judeo Christian values with their crazy do-good projects.

By jbmlaw

December 5, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Dusty, let’s you and me use a nuclear weapon or two and show these leftists what real red blooded Americans can do!

By @@

December 5, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Peter at 3:46:

Was Jim Kerry (Carey) in the military?

I did not know that. Thanks for the misinformation.

By Dusty

December 5, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

OK OK imposters @4:33 and probably 4:36

You’re gonna be sorry!! Santa is taking you OFF his list right now. So there!!

By Heywood Jablome

December 5, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Funny. The Wootenites got thrashed here today, and they left poor Dusty here as the lone representative of wingnuttia. jbm has his a$$ handed to him on Korea and skulked away in shame.

And they sent Dusty, unarmed, into a battle of wits.

ROFLMAO.

Hi Dusty. Nice job regurgitating the wingnut spin. Now wipe your chin.

Heywood Jablome

By Drive-by Media

December 5, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

New Song: “First Lady” (sung to the tune of “Surf City” by jan and dean

“My intern’s 34’s are saggin’ and I just lost my woody…(first lady bill clinton)… you see she offered me her cherry and she told me it’s goody…(first lady, bill clinton)….she’s got way too much back seat and her rear wont go, but she still decks me when I want a blow……and I’m gonna be first lady cause I’m bill clinton, you know I still have my old lady and we’re two for one, you know I’m gonna be first lady cause I’m bill clinton, please elect my old lady cause I miss the fun, now… etc

By Peter

December 6, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Wow here is some REAL RIGHT WING STUFF…… Here we have Praying and HATEING all used at the sane time !

“By Dusty

December 5, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Liberals and satanists are all the same…….. I hate them all! I’m going to go pray for my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ now — but not for the liberal ones of course”

SO the TRUE meaning of Christianity according to DUSTY is Praying yet on the same time HATING !

I wonder which Religion teaches that…..Oh YES it must be that MUSLIM Religion, or is it Baptist?

Doesn’t sound very GOD like not matter what it is to me !

WOW you have to love the “Family Value’s” she spews !

Time for another donut !

By anonymous

December 6, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Peter, I must confess that I was channeling Dusty yesterday with my comments about liberals and satanists. I’d hate for you to have a bad taste in your mouth about Christians because of my posting — but that Dusty is still an uptight know-it-all who knows nothing about the true message of Christ or of true patriotism for that matter. Thankfully, there are in fact many liberal or even just common sense Christians who do not take the hard line judgemental viewpoint that she regularly spews on here.

By Santa

December 6, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Dusty, please let me decide who is and who is not on my list. You have enough to handle here telling everyone whether or not they are good Christians or patriotic Americans. I don’t want you to be overwhelmed by so much responsibillity.

P.S. — That stale fruitcake you leave for me every Christmas is really terrible. I’d prefer truffles this year if you don’t mind please.