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DEL.ICIO.USNation’s children being harmed by unmarried adults
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Former professional basketball player Jason Caffey had two children with his wife, and at least six other children with women in metro Atlanta, Alabama, Louisiana and Illinois.
Professional football player Travis Henry, a Denver Broncos running back with a $25 million contract, has nine children by nine women in four Southern states, including a Lithonia boy fathered out of wedlock three years ago.
Caffey, who earned as much as $5 million a season in a 10-year NBA career with the Chicago Bulls, Golden State Warriors and Milwaukee Bucks, filed for bankruptcy in Alabama in August. His wife, who lives in Roswell, filed for divorce last year after eight years of marriage.
“She didn’t know about all of the children,” her lawyer told Journal-Constitution reporter Tim Eberly. “She knew about a few. She had no idea he was being that disrespectful to her.”
In Henry’s case, a propensity to exercise “bad judgment in his spending habits” put him behind on the $3,000-per-month in support payments for the Lithonia boy.
So the judge in that case — DeKalb Superior Court Judge Clarence Seeliger — did something that should be mandated by law or become standard practice for judges presiding over child-support cases involving athletes, entertainers and others of means, particularly in cases involving out-of-wedlock births. To guarantee the child’s financial security, Seeliger required Henry to create and fund a $250,000 trust on the boy’s behalf.
Coincidentally, federal authorities in Richmond, Va., asked for a similar guarantee on behalf of pit bulls. Citing Michael Vick’s “deteriorating financial condition,” prosecutors asked a U.S. District Court judge to freeze about $928,000 to care for 54 pit bulls seized from his Bad Newz Kennels property in Virginia. Children deserve as much.
The Caffey story coincides with release of a Brookings Institution study by Julia Issacs that tracked incomes of 2,367 families over 30 years. It found that two-thirds of the number, now grown to more than 8,000 families, have inflation-adjusted incomes higher than those of their parents. That’s true in about the same percentages for blacks and whites, Issacs finds.
While median family income for both blacks and whites increased over those three decades, an income gap persists. “Between 1974 and 2004, white and black men in their 30s experienced a decline in income, with the largest decline among black men,” Issacs writes. Families beat their parents largely because more households had two breadwinners and because of gains in women’s incomes.
As framed by The Associated Press — “decades after the civil rights movement,” the black-white income gap persists — this is a discrimination issue. Yet as Isaacs noted, “the lack of income growth for black men combined with low marriage rates in the black population has had a negative impact on trends in family incomes for black families.”
At some point, the nation — and more importantly, influential blacks of the post-civil rights generation —really do have to address the harm intentionally inflicted on children by unmarried adults. When 69.3 percent of black children, 46.4 percent of Hispanic children and 24.5 percent of white children are born to unmarried women, the nation has a serious problem.
Rich athletes and entertainers are the Murphy Browns of this era. Fifteen years ago, Murphy Brown was an unmarried television sitcom character who opted to find fulfillment by having a baby rather than buying a puppy. Vice President Dan Quayle created a national stir by criticizing the character for “mocking the importance of fathers by bearing a child alone and calling it just another lifestyle choice.”
Quayle’s point was that role models are obligated to consider the consequences of their actions. Rich actressses and well-educated women with high earning potential can toy with children’s lives, just as rich athletes can pleasure themselves at children’s expense. But when the poor and uneducated pick up the culturally sanctioned lifestyle, it’s deadly for children and for the nation.
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By James
November 24, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
Role Models
-Larry Craig
-Jim Galley
-David Vitter
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
Yeah, and…? No one argues that having a father in the home is a good thing. This just reads like a rant against black men. Real productive in this day and age. What are your solutions? Can you offer a significant anf realistic social policy to do something about these problems? Something except race-baiting rhetoric?
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this
Wooten’s journalism is still gaining acceptance.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
No, his journalism was very accepted, in the 50’s. When everything was perfect. And blacks could be lynched… And women couldn’t work… And you could beat chldren… Ah, the good ol’ days.
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
Two of Jim’s proposed policies:
To guarantee the child’s financial security, Seeliger required Henry to create and fund a $250,000 trust on the boy’s behalf.
At some point, the nation — and more importantly, influential blacks of the post-civil rights generation —really do have to address the harm intentionally inflicted on children by unmarried adults.
We can now add “encourage reading skills in idiots like happy2teach.”
By Stop blaming the past and face the present like a man
November 24, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
happy2teach,
Thanks for the history lesson, now tell us what do you want to do about these problems Wooten has outlined.
Please, any answer will do other than burying your head in the sand and living in the past.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Yeah, the trust fund idea is a significant social policy? For who? Millionaires? And “addressing the harm” is not a policy. Maybe encouraging comprehension skills for Aquagirl would be a start.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this
Yeah, the trust fund idea is a significant social policy? For who? Millionaires? And “addressing the harm” is not a policy. Maybe encouraging comprehension skills for Aquagirl would be a start. Rhetoric does not equal policy.
By The Solution
November 24, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
happy2teach,
I have a solution to the problems Wooten pointed out: Stop calling everyperson who attempts to call us to the carpet race baiting. In case you haven’t noticed, there are some real disproportionate problems in our communities. The best way to address them is to stop living in the past and face these issues head on instead of blaming others for bringing them up.
By The Answer
November 24, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
happy2teach,
See, that’s the problem with people like you who have no vision.I have an important announcement to make: YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE TO HAVE A TRUST FUND!
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
I would advocate a radical re-imagining of our educational system that emphasizes the importance of older role models in the classroom and de-emphasizes the role of the traditional age-based classroom. I would also revamp our teacher education system and emphasize real world experience in our teachers, so they handle a wider swath of problem children. I would also advocate for earlier apprenticeship type programs so that children have real role models and idols. See, actual solutions. Not just empty rhetoric.
By happy2teach must not have had parents
November 24, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
Oh I see. The problem is in the educational system. got it. There’s just one small problem with your “solutions”: They won’t work.
At what point do you think that parenting plays a role happy2teach? None of your “solutions” contained anything having to do with how parents raise their children, what they teach their children, etc? You must not have learned much in your own household to think the way you do.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
No, you don’t have to have a million for a trust fund, but we’re talking about a population that is living paycheck to paycheck (at best) and usually do not have the means to have viable health insurance, much less a trust fund. C’mon.
By DavidEm
November 24, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
Black men earn 70 cents for every dollar white men are paid, when both have the same educational level, whether married or not. The black communtity has its own societal problems, but you can’t tar an entire community with a few examples. The vast majority of black economic troubles comes from systemic racism, and you, Mr. Wooten, are old enough to know that. Republicans want to ignore a long history of keeping African Americans “in their place,” then pretend we became color-blind—-when, in 1964?
By The Answer
November 24, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this
happy2teach,
Oh I know that, I was just responding to your comment. Some problems can be solved easily if we didn’t make them so complicated.
Living paycheck to paycheck is usually a sign of overextension. That’s the case black or white.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Parenting plays a huge role, obviously. But you can’t legislate parenting, you can’t force people to get married. So, we have to come up with something better than just shaming people on a blog and hoping they’ll feel bad enough to change. People, such as ourselves, who care about these issues should have productive debates with real-world solutions to these problems.
By DavidEm= "I love living the past and blaming others for my problems"
November 24, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
DavidEm,
A few? 70% of our children are born out of wedlock! Where do you get “few” from? Pull your head out of the sand and stop using racism as an excuse to explain everyting.
Black men and white men don’t work the same jobs dude. Blacks are disproportionately employed with lower paying jobs. That explains the income difference: The maintenance man don’t make the same as the CEO, got it?
By Who says you're suppose to legislate the problem?
November 24, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
I know you can’t legislate parenting, but that doesn’t change the fact that its parenting or lack thereof that is at the root of the problem. How in the world is government intervention going to solve something as inate and natural as child raising and human development?
Its easy to throw government programs at a problem instead of teaching people how to be better human beings.
Don’t look now, but you are demonstrating why we have the problems Wooten has outlined: We believe the government is suppose to save us from ourselves,but until then, party on!
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
You can’t force people to get married, but you can at least attempt to make them provide support to kids. Living paycheck to paycheck—-Don’t spawn like a salmon! Duh!
happy2teach, your proposed solutions revolve around more legislation themselves…educational system reform, basically, to give kids what they aren’t getting at home or elsewhere in society. You can’t legislate people to provide a society any more than you can legislate them to get married and give a damn about their offspring.
The only solution will be when individual parents quit acting like heathens and focus on raising what they’ve produced. Jim’s proposal # 2 would be a good way to start.
By Central Dekalb Resident
November 24, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
Take a look at Dekalb County. The schools here, despite boatloads of money are a dismal failure yet the powers that be are more concerned with our “right to party.”
At the same time Dekalb County has a hideous crime problem that nobody is allowed to talk about.
Our politicians are more concerned with black power than they are with black neighborhoods.
Whites Davidem are not going to solve our problems.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
See, so many are just filled with hate and just willing to throw away millions of children who have done nothing wrong except be born to unfit parents. You have to think long term. If we can create an educational system (with the same ammont of cost and beauracracy as the current one btw) we can save a lot of these kids and create better people who will be better parents in the long run. Sorry for wanting for being pro-active. We have the same goals you know, and I am blessed with wonderful parents who taught me to get off the sidelines and get into the game of making the world a better place.
By brokebackvol
November 24, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
How about giving dead-beat dads the option of a free vasectomy so they will stop producing children with their selfish behavior?
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this
I love the vasectomy idea!
By catlady
November 24, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
One thing we need to consider is how, in the BIG picture, our laws, policies, programs, and procedures reward unhelpful, unproductive, irresponsible behavior. Addressing those (from the front end) would begin to diminish what we are getting (from the rear end). Having policies and programs in place that offer no financial incentive to living life “freely” (not free for the rest of us paying for it, however) and in fact enacting DISincentives would begin to slow the tide. My impression that the welfare rules regarding pregnant teens to have to continue to live with their parents instead of the taxpayers setting them up in their own apartments has had some success in stemming the tide of teen pregnancy. Anyone with first hand, social worker/DFACS knowledge care to comment?
Meanwhile, how about this for a policy: mandatory sterilization for those who choose to have 2 children without benefit of marriage. Sounds draconian, huh? Yet that would act as something of a disincentive to continued childbearing. If a man knew he would be “under the knife” after the second child, he might be a little more careful in flitting from flower to flower. Same for women, who disproportionately bear the burden of caring for children. And it would certainly benefit their children, who would not have less and less as their mother births more and more.
Or, less Nazi-like: those who have babies on the public wallet must repay every cent spent on prenatal care and delivery, even if it takes till death. At the rate of $20 per week from the welfare check, or taking all the “Earned” Income Credit, or from the minimum wage paycheck, it would take a while, but right now there is NO reason not to have baby after baby, as far as the short-term goes—it is free! It is not so much the money, but the need to reinforce positive planning and behavior that this would address. Perhaps add mandatory sterilization after a second or third Medicaid baby. If you cannot support 2, you’ll not be able to support 3.
I know quite a few people whose idea of long range planning is what they are going to do next week. For many people, unless you demand responsible behavior, you won’t get responsible behavior. We cannot continue to wring our hands and say, “Oh, poor them, they never learned it at home, never had it as a role model.” Well, now is the time to learn it, then. I don’t think that is hard-hearted. Just real world.
By Ahkem
November 24, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
Ahs got many, many children, Ahs just not met any of them yets.
By Naner
November 24, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
Obviously morals are a thing of the past. It’s like a status symbol with sports playters to have out of wedlock babies. At least the good old days had morals.
By Ahkem
November 24, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Brothers, our armies grow with each new baby. We shall out produce whitey, then our armies shall wipe the white foools from the face of the earth.
By @@
November 24, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Let me see if I’m reading this correctly Jim. Individuals are better off financially than their parents before them. Yet their parents before them did not suffer from the financial backlash resulting from bad choices in morality.
I’d be interested in knowing whether the decline in income coincided with the onset of the single-parent family. At the same time that women became able to contribute to a two-income household giving them a sense of self-worth, they also gained sexual freedom. I don’t think so!
During the women’s movement, there was also a push for “women in sports”.
Since the beginning of time women have been viewed by men as “a sport”. 1st base…second base…third base — HOMERUN!!!
Yeah buddy! We women never saw it coming. We’ve allowed ourselves to be benched while our kids sit on the sidelines still watching “the big boys” play.
That’s progress? There’s a lot to be said about the past. Progressives would have us believe it was “backwards”.
Hmmmmmmmmm…kinda makes ‘ya think don’t it? Women blew it.
Bill and Monica…now there’s a NATIONAL role model that our kids should follow. Heck, Hillary could be compared to Caffey’s wife.
By catlady
November 24, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
And lest some of you think I am a conservative crazy: I am actually quite liberal. However, as a long-time teacher, you would not believe the crap I see with this kind of stuff. Unwanted children and those whose parent (s) cannot provide for them are to be pitied, but many have followed and will follow the same path, having learned from their parents “Why not?” and “Poor me”. Let’s do some things to end this cycle via public policy. Appeals to self pride or shame do not work anymore.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Morals? Morals like Jim Crow, right?
By TedP
November 24, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
I hope happy2teach is NOT a teacher. There is no racism in facts. The fact is that men from certain races leave their families and it is a shame, NOT racism. The truth we have a break down of the family unit and if we fix the family unit many of these other issues will go away.
By Naner
November 24, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
Ahkem but if you wipe whitey off the face of the earth, there won’t be anybody left to take care of you.
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this
I love the vasectomy idea as well. I also propose a minimum IQ score, financial means testing, parenting courses, and minimum age of 30 before anyone is allowed to have children. Unless all of these requirements are fullfilled, every woman should have depo-provera shots and all men should take the male oral contraceptive pills. There’s just too many stupid, uneducated people (rich and poor) having too many out of wedlock kids ruining it for all of mankind. Unless this is done, we will disintegrate like the Greeks and Romans—to the scrap heap of history.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
TedP, How would you fix the family unit? Bring some ideas please.
By catlady
November 24, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Ted, I am not sure the root cause is the breakdown in the family unit. I think the greed which we see accelerating around us and the “me, me, me first” that we have watched take over and the “now, now, I am not gonna wait” that our media have encouraged have a lot to do with the breakdown of the family. But, yes, the family unit used to be a given; it no longer is even remotely so.
By Peter
November 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
I actually agree with most of what Jim says today…..FOR A CHANGE !
If you are out there having fun unprotected sex, then Man or Woman up for the responsibility……..
I agree a guy who make millions as a athlete, or actor should be responsible for putting the big money up in a saving account for each child out of wedlock while they are still are making the big money….because as wee all see they eventually stop making the same money, and most never get the education necessary to save for the rainy day.
Maybe that will get them to think twice before messing up again, if it is really effecting their FUN MONEY !
It is sad that we have so many out of wedlock children, and so many of these same young adults not doing the right thing by their kids.
Funny though this blog is against Abortion.
Yet for the poor, and obviously mentally impaired who have kids, this blog has no answer for the care, as it become MORE TAXES !
Seems you cannot have it both ways, stop abortion, then give those who are very poor and conceive little to no help.
Also the Bush administration’s thoughts of “Don’t do it mantra”, and decidedly lack of overall eduction in this country are part of our failing policies.
Education has taken a back seat in this country, and we continue to spiral down as a society because of that.
By Miss V-Raleigh
November 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Do a DNA test at birth. List the baby’s name, and PARENTS in the newspaper and on the internet. Require a trust fund (automatically include any IRS refunds) and a life insurance policy on each parent with the child(ren) as the beneficiary.
By Larry
November 24, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Well, one solution to this problem would be more abortions. People are not going to stop having sex, forget about that. Birth control is too faulty; it depends on the skill and the willingness of the partners to use it. A woman can’t make a man marry her when she gets pregnant and fewer and fewer men get down on one knee when faced with a positive pregnancy test. So if birth control fails and the man does not propose then women should just abort. This would make Jim Wooten a happy man. Less children born out of wedlock. Problem solved!
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Hey akhem, once you wipe whitey off the face of the earth, you will have come full circle. From the jungle whence you came, to the jungle you will return. Enjoy hunting in packs for wild dogs with you flintstone spears
By time for the harsh but honest unassailable truth
November 24, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Overwhelmingly this problem is predominantly the fault of blacks - young mouthy aggressive w horalicious sluts incessantly copulating with deadbeat sullen ebonics lovin’ fathers who run away from ALL responsibility for their budding hippety hop inspired felons. Predicktably enough the mexican types, especially the illegal leeches, are catching the blacks up in the deadbeat budding predator felons race. Having a ‘b astard’ these days has NO stigma attached to it. Indeed HiTllary evidently had one with Web Hubbell and called it after one of England’s most famous football teams in LOndon.
Black run/dominated areas - Decatur was cited earlier - are invariably CRIME RIDDEN, brimming with black predators, thugs and vicious drug dealers. Don’t believe me?? - go visit the black parts of DC, Chicago, south central LA, Oakland, Birmingham, Detroit, Nu Yawwwwk City, Newark, Houston, Milwaukee, Memphis and lets NOT forget NOLA … whereas even the poorest white areas invariably have much lower levels of crime, and are certainly much less violent. Few whites in their “hoods” perpetrate drive by shootings, are gangbangers or commit anything like the same level of endemic petty violent crime and robberies that blacks/mexican types do.
Once Sud Afrika was free from the vile racist evils of apartheid the true level of unfettered black criminality and violence was unleashed. SA is now the rape/murder capital of the world with NO racism to “blame”.
Very unsurprisingly blacks, especially black yoofs perpetrate the same kind of thuggish hippety hop criminality, drug dealing, robbery/muggings etc in the “urban” areas of England and many other black areas of Europe. Jamaica - a virtually all black country - is even more dangerous if you’re a law abiding citizen of whatever colour.
Blacks still have the sickening attitude that getting an education is “acting white”, and illegal mexican types gleefully and sullenly refuse to learn English, having come from an unbelievably backward ignorant country/culture that spews out millions of mexican morons who leave skooooool at 14 with NO hope of a future in such a corrupt to the core sh!tehole that they slither over our border like desperate rats leaving a sinking ship to collect their demoNcrat vote buying handouts and start their life of leeching in the USA.
The answer to this problem lies with the majority of ordinary decent blacks actually SYSTEMATICALLY confronting the thuggish criminal freeloading scum that (mostly) prey on them and lurk in their midst. Little is done because blacks get a pandering pass from the liberal party of hate media which shamelessly prefers to whip up sick and twisted hate and bigotry based on empty racist lies about Duke athletes and nauseating lies about SIX black thugs in Jena perpetrating a PREMEDITATED cowardly attack on a young completely innocent white lad in Jena.
By AmVet
November 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Vice President Dan Quayle created a national stir by criticizing the character for “mocking the importance of fathers by bearing a child alone and calling it just another lifestyle choice.”
For an ironic take on that little episode listen to Rundgren’s great song, “Family values” on TR-i.
Quayle: “It doesn’t help matters when prime time TV has Murphy Brown. I know it’s not fashionable to talk about moral values, but we need to do it…”
Rundgren: Pardon me, did you say something? What are you looking at? Tell me, what’s your problem? Are you counting heads? Are you counting things? What are you looking for? Listen there’s no problem
‘Cause we got them, we already got them
We got family values
Quayle: “Some people say Judeo-Christian values are code words. Well they are code words. Code words for…”
Rundgren: Politics and money scams Endless verbal traffic jams Keep it out of the house
Quayle: “Our policy must be premised on, it must reinforce values such as family, hard work, integrity, personal responsibility…”
Rundgren: Made him love mom Saw what that did to him Made him love dad Saw what that did to him Made him love god Saw what that did to him Made him love death Saw what that did to him
Quayle: “I know it’s not fashionable to talk about moral values…”
All: Shut up!
By Stephanie
November 24, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
When I was 21 I got pregnant. I used birth control but it happened anyway. I was not married but I did have a serious boyfriend. I told him I was pregnant and his response was “what are you going to do?” and my response to him was “what are you going to do?” and then he said he would “help pay for the abortion”. I was really hoping he would ask me to marry him but he did not. I knew my parents would be devestated if I had a baby out of wedlock and I knew my life and the life of the baby would be very hard and I did not want to throw my life away like that at such an early age so I had an abortion. Do I feel bad? Yes, I feel bad that I had sex with such a poor quality man who left me with no other choice as I saw it. Say what you will about me, I don’t care. I know things would have gone differently if he had stepped up to the plate.
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
The abortion thing is just too cruel. You are wrong about birth control shots. Depo-provera works very well. Before you get your monthly welfare or social security checks, you have to come into the clinic to get your shots before you get the money. Let’s stop the spread of the cretins BEFORE they are created.
By @@
November 24, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
Abortion as a form of birth control after conception.
Abortion on demand.
Abortion for convenience.
Same message is sent to our children — They are of no value.
That’s not a solution. I think it contributes to the problem.
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Gee, Stephanie, things wouldn’t have been different if we’d had a radically re-imagined educational system de-emphasizing the traditional age based paradigm?
Asking a man to take individual responsibility is a poor choice. What you really needed was a government program.
By catlady
November 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
Well, we’ve gotten abortion and “illegal Mexican leeches” into the conversation, along with Hillary. Who can work the War (pro and con) and paying for the War into it? Then we will come full circle, and these blog responses can be substituted for every other topic Mr. Wooten does. Just cut and paste each day, no effort to think required.
By RW-(the original)
November 24, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
@@ 10:04,
Why is it that at my sports site you say you don’t know anything about sports? (ISH)
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Stephanie, I truly am sorry for your experience with your abortion. However, if my proposals were enforced, you would not have been allowed to get pregnant in the first place. Your age (21), lack of parenting class, and lack of financial means (I am being presumptive of course) would have excluded you from getting pregnant. Hence, you would have not had to make such a terrible choice as abortion. DEPO-PROVERA SHOTS!!!
By catlady
November 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
I know things would have gone differently if he had stepped up to the plate.
Stephanie, I doubt if things would have been very different. Probably much worse, actually, over a longer timeframe. However, I am sorry for the pain you have suffered over these years. The what-ifs really hurt.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
Yeah, Stephanie, I’ve got your birth control, RIGHT HERE!
“TinyTim, I’ve told you to stop sexually harrassing the unwed mothers in our home, on student exchange with the post-partum murderesses we sent to france. Cant you tone it down even for one hour?”
F U Mom!
By since_dusty_ain't_here
November 24, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
You don’t support the troops! The only social concern is raising children to be fodder for the current Glorious War in Iraq, and the future one in Iran. All our money should be going for weapons. If you don’t agree, you hate our fighting men and women, are unpatriotic, and support the terrorists. Long live George W. Bush!
Oh, and did I mention I’m the only one here who supports the troops? And that the war is great?
By Yana
November 24, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Saw a link to this column at www.polijam.com Thanks for thoughtful article. Marriage has been around for a long time. It represents more than just a financial commitment. And in spite of the high rate of divorce, marriage still represents a greater commitment both to the spouse and to the children, than exists in the case of unmarried couples who have children. I realize that some children will always be born out of wedlock, but nowadays, this has become too common, and the children are the ones to ultimately suffer for it.
By Scrooge
November 24, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
Mr. and Mrs Cratchet, I told you about RU481. Yet you insisted on having this little troll of yours, Tiny Tim. Now look what you’ve got to deal with. He’s a monster.
“F U Scroogewipe! bwa”
Gawd I hate that kid.
By catlady
November 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Thanks @since dusty…
Now, will someone make the obligatory statements about the War’s cost vs how much better we could support these children if we were not paying for the war?
Back to topic: I was incredulous when I read a few days ago in the AJC the quote of the lawyer for the legal wife of Mr. Caffey saying something like “She knew about some of the (extracurricular) children, but she did not know he was disrespecting her so much (with all the others she did not know about.)” Lady, disrespect is like sin or cold weather: If you sin, it is sin, no matter how “small” you will classify it; ie, lying vs murder. If it is 10 degrees it is cold. Negative 10 might be colder on the scale, but it is still just COLD. And one child outside your marriage is sufficient to be labled complete disrespect. period.
By Luckoduh
November 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
Look at this Ku Klux Klan gathering of putrid hate mongers:
{{{{Mike Luckovich draws some cartoonists participating in “Cartooning for Peace” at Emory University. From upper left: U.S. freelancer Ann Telnaes, No-rio Yamanoi of Japan, Plantu of France, Baha Boukhari of Palestine, Ali Dilem of Algeria, Liza Donnelly of the U.S. and Michel Kichka of Israel. Other cartoonists, besides Luckovich, attending were {{{{{{Jeff Danziger}}}}} of the U.S. and Piyale Madra of Turkey.}}}}
Jeff Danziger, eh?:
Left-wing cartoonist Jeff Danziger has put out a political cartoon about National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice that is just as bad and racist as the Ted Rall screed this summer.
Nice company you keep, cartoon boy.
Scumbags all.
By Grand Chin
November 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
What’s to “solve”, happy2mime @ 8:08? Sure, Caffir was beloved of all the little children he suffered to came unto him, but the man has done nothing that Thereverendjackson hasn’t done, including his never having presumed hypocritically to have a congregation to shepherd, so what at long last is the big deal?
ImeanLook, for his part Henry, like Kerry and Bill, has done everything right since he did everything wrong. He has had the good grace to reach down deep and then stand up straight and admit to the world that errors in bookkeeping have been made.
Come on man, we’ve all made mistakes. (I know I have.) Admit it, we’ve all done things we’re not proud of. The important thing is Henry and his wife, and you can’t change the fact that to her mind she’s been dissed and he owes her money dammit!
For his part, Henry, having already done some serious financial soul searching, is going to have to hire an accountant and probably an estate planner to pick up the No. 2 with the eraser and begin anew. That’s not an easy thing for a proud black role model of kids of thirty-one flavors to do. Too bad you don’t know a real man when you see one.
Had you and the other bloggers here gone to the university I attended, you’d know how laughable it is for The Father of the Wootenism to trot out the venally inarticulate Dan Quayle on this; because where I come from there is no extraparadigmatic calculus by which to judge Henry’s subcultures from within your own hopelessly privileged one. Translation, for such as you: you can’t judge Caffir or Henry because you only think there’s some bourgeois construct called truth!
So back off with your presuming to pathologize these stand-up guys just when we need them most.
[Rudy&Out]
By Grand Chin
November 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
What’s to “solve”, happy2mime @ 8:08? Sure, Caffir was beloved of all the little children he suffered to came unto him, but the man has done nothing that Thereverendjackson hasn’t done, including his never having presumed hypocritically to have a congregation to shepherd, so what at long last is the big deal?
ImeanLook, for his part Henry, like Kerry and Bill, has done everything right since he did everything wrong. He has had the good grace to reach down deep and then stand up straight and admit to the world that errors in bookkeeping have been made.
Come on man, we’ve all made mistakes. (I know I have.) Admit it, we’ve all done things we’re not proud of. The important thing is Henry and his wife, and you can’t change the fact that to her mind she’s been dissed and he owes her money dammit!
For his part, Henry, having already done some serious financial soul searching, is going to have to hire an accountant and probably an estate planner to pick up the No. 2 with the eraser and begin anew. That’s not an easy thing for a proud black role model of kids of thirty-one flavors to do. Too bad you don’t know a real man when you see one.
Had you and the other bloggers here gone to the university I attended, you’d know how laughable it is for The Father of the Wootenism to trot out the venally inarticulate Dan Quayle on this; because where I come from there is no extraparadigmatic calculus by which to judge Henry’s subcultures from within your own hopelessly privileged one. Translation, for such as you: you can’t judge Caffir or Henry because you only think there’s some bourgeois construct called truth!
So back off with your presuming to pathologize these stand-up guys just when we need them most.
[Rudy&Out]
By Peter
November 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
Honestly folks how many role models do we actually have out here in society?
Can anyone name a role model in Acting, or athletics?
What is the percentage compared to that person, as to the total number of folks in that field?
Can some one name one please, some in either political party?
I can’t name one from either party, and who can say one party is MORE moral than the other?
Maybe name someone in business?
If you can name one person, what is the percentage of that person to the rest in his or her field?
Seems all the role models for politics, ethnic groups, and public figures, are really not there.
How about the TV stations, and the advertising media?
What are we showing our children in America?
By Grand Chin
November 24, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
Peter! Peter! Call on me! Um! Um! I can! I can name lotsa role models in acting and sports, living and dead black and tuttifrutti, gay and straight, atheist and non, left and right; and some of them even have criminal records.
What’s the problem?
[R’08]
By since_dennis_ain't_here
November 24, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
The lying murderer Bush is responsible for every dead baby in Iraq, and the intellectual murder of children in America. Impeach Bush for wasting billions on the illegal and immoral war! If we weren’t spending that money, we could use it to create happy2teach’s blessed socialistic system where children know they are properly valued because we can show them the line-item on the budget. Only evil rich neocons disagree with throwing money down a rat hole on a liberal progressive stupid feelgood program with even less purpose than the war in Iraq!
Did I mention I’m the only one who cares because I’m a liberal? Conservatives only support policies allowing them to enjoy the pain of others. It’s all very simple.
By Peter
November 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
Please Grand Chin give us a list of current folks to emulate !
By Grand Chin
November 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
Thanks, pseudoDennis. You’ve hit me with my Dennis fix for the day. Although it does kinda make me miss him the more.
[R’08]
P.S. Commit the mime, do the time.
By Senator Craig (REPUBLICAN)
November 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
Its all about legislating morality. We need fathers.
Look at Tom Brady another pro athlete with kids everywhere. Shame on you Tom Brady. Sex is everywhere now. Everywhere.
We need to get the FCC involved. The halftime shows are tame compared to the actual football games. I mean look at them tight pants Tom Brady wears on the field! Nothing at all is left to the imagination. I have this image of Tom Brady’s rear end emblazened into my mind. I can’t get it out of my head! Disgusting.
We must insist that the networks fuzz out the rear ends of football players. Those uniforms are obscene. Worse than Janet Jackson’s mishap.
If they can’t fuzz out their rear ends then I will introduce legislation that requires all football games to be shown on cable only.
Its these uniforms that are causing this sexual permissiveness. Disgusting. Shame on you Tom Brady.
Its time to start legislating morality.
By Peter
November 24, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Yes Rudy with how many divorces, and connection to indited buddy…. Now that is a ROLE MODEL !
By Bill Cosby #2
November 24, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
I’ve got a better solution - make this a family offense.
If a male from Family A deserts a child reared by Family B (i.e. the mother), then this is a civil crime.
Punishments: MORE PRISON TIME… AND garnishment of homes and possessions from FAMILY A.
For example, the government should be able to auction off Jason Caffrey’s parents’ home to pay for his illegitimate kids. If they don’t have assets, put them in prison too.
By Michael Smith
November 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Those rates of illegitimacy are scandalously high — and what Democrats and liberals want to do is make them EVEN HIGHER by encouraging people to have children they cannot support. Go ahead, they tell single moms, have children out of wedlock — we’ll force the taxpayers to pay for their food, their clothing, their education, their healthcare.
Never mind that this penalizes one person — the taxpayer — for the actions of another person — the single parent. Never mind that punishing one person for the action of another person is the very definition of INJUSTICE.
And most important of all — never mind that all of these programs pushed by liberals sentences all of the children born today to a lifetime of high taxes and inflation throughout their adult life to pay for these programs.
Never mind that what you liberals are doing is stealing from the child’s future so that you can buy the votes of their parents today.
Such is liberalism.
By Stephanie
November 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Interesting idea Commonsense, but I don’t want to live in a society that forces people to get certain birth control. That is a fascist state you are proposing. As for my life, it turned out very well. I have been married for 11 years and have three children whom I treasure. I sometimes wonder what-if but I know I would not be married to the man I am married to now and I would not have the wonderful children I have now if things had turned out differently. It was unfortunate and painful but at the same time, I would not trade my life now for anything. Some of you may disagree, with me, and that’s your right, but it was my choice to make. Not all choices are pleasant but they are necessary. Also, Commonsense, that type of birth control you are proposing can cause stroke, heart attack and pulmonary embolism. Do you really think you can force, by law, someone to take such a drug. If you do, then, ironically, you don’t have much common sense.
By Michael H. Smith
November 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Well…. What can I say…. not exactly me there @ “Michael Smith” but it is not too far from some of my sentiments as the Right Thinking Conservative.
Oh yeah, BTW, you can add a few Republicans to that list of bad deed doers.
By dirtyblues
November 24, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
as far as this issue relates to the usa black population…
this is a no-brainer…
for the past quarter of a century - if not the last 3 decades…
usa ‘reproductively active’ black egg & sperm donors have made their choice…
which has been to b@stardized & abandoned nearly 80% of their genetic offspring each year!
there is not a thing that ‘civic, mature & stable’ usa soceity can do to address the ‘cultural dysfunction, economic destruction & social harm’ this choosen usa black ‘reproductive behavior’ has had — & will continue to have negatively — on majority usa negroid communities!
usa black b@stardization is at the root of all dysfunction within the rotten soul of usa negro communities…
which see nearly $2.7 trillion of potential economic losses due to massive amounts of b@stardization, black criminal predator terrorism & massive levels of ‘sub-human/sub-literated/sub-modern’ standars of intellectual tool development!
By ron
November 24, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Jim,I can’t argue with you on this one.Men and women must be responsible for their children and the ones that fail to do so have to be taken down hard.Once the idea that evading responsibility isn’t easy,attitudes will change.That’s what’s needed here,a change of attitude,a change in culture.A carrot and a big stick are in order.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
I got your big stick, RIGHT HERE!
“Now TinyTim, that was rude, apologize to the lady…”
FU Mom!
By ex-Senator Foley
November 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
I’ll volunteer to be the daddy role model! Just have your young boys IM me, and send pictures of them in their Underoos. They’ll get all the daddying they need.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
God bless us everyone. and may satan curse anyone who thinks that war is a first resort and not a last resort to hell!!!
“TinyTim will you calm down? What’s with you today?”
FU Mom!
By Peter
November 24, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
Wow what a comment…..
“By Michael Smith
November 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Those rates of illegitimacy are scandalously high — and what Democrats and liberals want to do is make them EVEN HIGHER by encouraging people to have children they cannot support. Go ahead, they tell single moms, have children out of wedlock — we’ll force the taxpayers to pay for their food, their clothing, their education, their healthcare. “
Totally wrong here….. liberals would say have an abortion !
Liberals would say spread the condoms please…..
Republicans would BLINDLY say “Don’t have SEX”…….. as if folks would actually listen.
Then Republicans would say NO abortion, thinking they are taking a high moral stand….. and then say let’s spend the money on WAR.
More Killing……. but let’s pray before we KILL!
And then of course have ZERO answer to how we pay for the WAR !
Republicans will then pass all the BILLS for the WAR on to the KIDS!
By Virlie
November 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
This is not a liberal/conservative problem. This is a nationwide issue that effects all states, races and echelons of society. I do not agree that it is any more wrong to have a baby out of wedlock if you are poor vs. if you are financially secure. Morality is morality and it should be the same for everyone. It does not anger me any more to have to pay for a baby on welfare than it does to see some rich spoiled person who thinks whatever they do is okay so long as they can pay for it. Both are equally offensive. Unfortunately it is the children who get stigmatized when society decides to clamp down on these things and I do not think any innocent child should have to be labeled a b@st@rd, as many of you have done in this link. The truth of the matter is that the sexual revolution changed all of this and we can’t go back. It has been done. Now we have to figure out how to handle it. But once shame is gone you can’t just usher it back in. You can try but good luck, I’m afraid.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
Sexual Revolution? Is that why mommie dresses up like an indian and loiters near boston harbor?
“tiny…..”
FU Mom!
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
Stephanie, we have to have driving licenses before we can drive. We have to have car insurance too. We have to be 18 to vote. We have to take drug tests at work. By your reasoning, are those fascist ideals? Why not set up requirements for responsibly having children, especially if society is expected to look after them and pay for their costs if the so-called parent(s) cannot. As for the medical complications, I am a medical professional and I can tell you that those complications are very rare, and you can prescreen those who are at a higher risk for those you listed and use an alternative birth control (such as the male birth control pill). You can’t have it all. If you want free will to do as you please, you have to accept the consequences of stupid people who make poor decisions. Otherwise, restrictions are needed to have a productive society. Otherwise, why shouldn’t we let 12 year olds drive. Alas, the conundrum of liberalism!!!
By Stephanie
November 24, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this
Commonsense, you are comparing apples and oranges. Whether or not you can drive a car and whether or not you can have sex and reproduce are so totally different to compare them is idiotic. Yes, I agree certain things, like voting, driving a car, etc… are rights as well as privilidges. If you are not of age, law abiding, etc… your right to do so is not upheld or allowed. However,trying to take legal action to decide who can have sex and who can have a baby is totally different. You are violating so many right of privacy, personal space and rights to medical privacy by proposing such an action. It is just silly to think that having a baby is the same as voting or driving a car or catching a fish. It would be nice if we could weed out or stop undesirable people from having children, we would spare the world a lot of pain, but the pain we would cause everyone else who are law abiding and good people is just ridiculous. You are living in a fantasy to the point that it is really a waste of time to debate your points. Your ideas will never, ever come to fruition. A blind idiot could blow legal cannons though your arguments. Just very poor thinking on your part.
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Peter, this is so frustrating. I just hit the wrong button and lost my list. I’ll regenerate it now. As to Rudy’s being a political role model, I have no problem with a young person’s holding him up, so long as she is mature enough to understand that sometimes it’s nice to see flawed people handle their flaws gracefully and unabashedly when they come up in public. That goes, as I say, for flawed public figures, which leaves out Mitt and Hillary…
[Rudy 08]
By Other CJ
November 24, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
All the ills in society could be prevented by us, if we obey the Ten Commandments. No racism there.
By Other CJ
November 24, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this
All the ills in society could be prevented by us, if we obey the Ten Commandments. No racism there.
By Virlie
November 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
Commonsense, that is a very slippery slope you are proposing there. So in your mind, we should have to take a parenting class and prove ourselves financially able to have a child. We should also be of age and be married,right? Okay, how about screening everyone as genetic carriers of certain birth defects? God knows how much unhealthy babies cost each year! Also, you must be able to prove that you are not an alcoholic or a drug addict before you can have children. I mean follow the logic, alcoholic parents are more likely to get divorced, be abusive and lose their jobs. Let’s not subject children to that! Also, once you have children you should be forbidden from ever getting divorced. Divorce causes lots of problems for children. Also, I think, going by your logic, we should not allow criminals to reproduce and the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior so if you have ever been convicted of a crime (let’s just say a felony for argument’s sake) then you should never be allowed to reproduce, no matter how much you may have reformed your life. Anything else? How about fat people? They have higher rates of premature babies and babies with health problems and they themselves tend to die younger risking leaving orphans behind. So, yeah, I think we should also not allow people to have babies unless they lose weight. Now all that being said, what do we do if some of these problems arise after the child is born? What if dad loses his job and the family has to go on welfare? Well, those parents should have their children taken away, right? I am just pointing out the full merits of your plan.
By Charles
November 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
There is one thing that could challenge my Christian faith. That would be the overwhelming majority of African Americans having two parent families, and rear their children in the likes of Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey. If God allowed that to occur, given the disposition of our servile condition, it would seriously challenge my faith in God.
In the Bible, the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, the children of Israel faced the same problems as African Americans do today. As some credible black men and women are troubled by the spirit, mind, and body of African Americans, Ezra and Nehemiah were astonished at the suffering and poverty of their people, Israel.
Some of the children of Israel had married people of other races, interracial marriages. Some had wives by whom they had children. They too had become a pathetic group of human beings.
It was understood by credible leaders in those days that to correct a problem like African Americans have today, two things must be done. You must build your own institutions and businesses to service the basic needs, food, clothing, shelter, education, and employment of African Americans, and rid the African American community of mixed marriages.
As long as African Americans attempt to solve their problems frivolously as suggested by Jim Wooten, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, enemies internal and external, African Americans will continue to suffer the scorn of God, nature, and man; and rightly so.
By @@
November 24, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
TINY…Tiny…tiny “Tim”bore:
Could you take your very personal Oedipus complex elsewhere?
You’re looking like an insignificant blip on the blog radar.
A UFO.
By Grand Chin
November 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Senator Craig,
Not only is your namesake a furtive criminaloid self-loathing phillandering hypocritical sociopath, but if he buys the old Straussian line about not being able to legislate morality, he’s fully insane as well and should be coated naked in sensually musked pheromonic pure-form latex and cast down the West Steps of the United States Capitol. Like that. Bang. Done. End of Story. Fade to Black. Book ‘em, Danno. LETSGO!
By Glenn
November 24, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
Charles, that is an elegant post. God bless you. I want to comment further but I’m on temporary assignment for Peter.
By DavidEm
November 24, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
Wow—-This topic sure has brought out the best in everyone! My FAVORITE poster, though, HAS to be “time for the harsh but honest unassailable truth” (10:29), who, after SIX PARAGRAPHS dripping with venom, mock “ebonics,” and the most insulting stereotypes imaginable, refers to the “other” party as the “party of hate.” Hilarious, if it weren’t so sad. BTW, I do believe he was also “happy2teach must not have had parents,” “DavidEm=I love living the past and blaming others for my problems,” “Who says you’re suppose [sic] to legislate the problem,” and, very possibly “Akhem,” too. Happy2teach seems to have been one of the few posters to approach the questions raised by the article seriously AND civilly. Go back, and read how he was treated!
By JerryJeffBobJimboBubba
November 24, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Speaking of the scorn of nature, when I was raking the leaves the other day, I was sure I noticed an oak tree staring at me ominously.
By BondiBeachBabe
November 24, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
Is Wooten going on about this again! Really! He is getting to where he writes a column on this subject several times a month. How very dull! The AJC should be ashamed for cutting him a paycheck. They are not getting their money’s worth. Perhaps he should be put out to pasture.
By Michael H. Smith
November 24, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
WOW! Better comments from the Right Thinking Conservative.
Liberals and Democrats would say have an abortion if the government pays for it.
Liberals and Democrats would say spread the condoms and never think before you spread please so long as the government is paying for it all supplied “free” at a taxpayer subsidized single payer clinic.
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Republicans would BLINDLY say “Don’ t have SEX”…….. as if folks would actually listen.
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Glad I’m not a card carrying Republican.
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Then Republicans would say NO abortion, thinking they are taking a high moral stand……
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Gee, it is good to be an Independent. Pre Roe V. Wade law was sufficient. Besides sensible and responsible use of lawful birth control usually works about 99.9% of the time and adoption remains a reasonable alternative to execution without any legal representation for the unborn.
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and then say let’s spend the money on WAR
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Hmm…. Wouldn’t it be better to spend money to save lives, than to avenge them?
Make America Energy Independent (clean, lean and renewably green), defeat terrorism in our time in a rush to secure peace and haste to end the war. Then watch the real threat of global warming cool down and Big Carbon Foot -print Al Gore re-invent the carbon tax to save his mentor, the endangered Sasquatch.
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More Killing……. but let’s pray before we KILL!
And then of course have ZERO answer to how we pay for the WAR !
Republicans will then pass all the BILLS for the WAR on to the KIDS!
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Nah, KILL liberalism first and then Pray for an alternative to the Dunkey Democrats and the Elli-Phunt Republicans who have declared WooWah (as James Carville would say) on all U.S. American citizens, their families and their Children.
Ah…. nice to be an Indy-Pendant, does wonders for the prospective.
By ray
November 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
dittos Charles: Cheney/Satan ‘08
perhaps you could post the location and time for the next rally? give me time to wash my sheet…
By DavidEm
November 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Oh, AND “Stop blaming the past and face the present like a real man,” “The Solution,” and “The Answer”?
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
I find it breathtaking when all the examples being used for negative displays of human behavior happen to blacks. Mr. Wooten fails to note that 30% of whites are born out of wedlock. I hasten to guess how many whites have abortions versus blacks, on a percentage basis. This hyperbole is used to have us react to a situation that we have no control over and have no means of solving. We can not stop people from having sex, even though there are laws written to do so. The question remains, what can we do to raise the economic well-being of all our citizens? I would be suprised to find that folks that had a job that paid them a living wage would not care what we thought, nor be dependent upon public assistance to live if they had this economic opportunity. There are those that will “never do right” and we have to accept that fact. For those less fortunate citizens, black and white, they want to take care of their responsibilities just like everyone else. Mr. Wooten should be ashamed to use his public power to exploit situations that he knows has no clean, precise and current answer. If Mr. Wooten has a solution to the problem, then he should articulate it, clearly and concisely.
By JerryJeffBobJimboBubba
November 24, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this
commonsense must be one of them pseudo-conservatives. his idea is a good start, but lacks depth. let me explain. first, we do as the real conservative Lickaschmuck hinted at earlier - we kill all of the cartoonists! no more treason from that quarter! then, we have to ask ourselves, what the hell are we doing letting the elderly live? are they supplying jobs or adding to the economic engine? no and no. toast. next,a pot potpourri of problems to be fixed - THOSE people, the poor by choice and the gimps. time to say bye bye to those leeches. and finally, the libs, unionists, mexicalis and in town fruit loops. death is too good for them. deportation to iraq for mine field sweeping.
America, America, God shed His grace on Thee!
By @@
November 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
DavidEm @ 2:29:
Wow—-This topic sure has brought out the best in everyone! My FAVORITE poster, though, HAS to be “time for the harsh but honest unassailable truth” (10:29), who, after SIX PARAGRAPHS dripping with venom, mock “ebonics,” and the most insulting stereotypes imaginable, refers to the “other” party as the “party of hate.” Hilarious, if it weren’t so sad.
but yet you sit here anxiously awaiting his next post.
What is that you said….?
Hilarious, if it weren’t so sad.
RW @ 11:08:
I may not know sports but I know about men. BTW, I dropped by your site and now know why I can’t remember what questions I asked.
You’re erasing them you devious, lazy and evasive scoundrel. (ISH)
By AbbaDabba
November 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
I want to know what part “racism” plays in black men not marrying - and providing financial help for the mothers and the babies they father? If the percentage of couples opting for marriage is greater in other race/ethnic groups - then, NOT marrying in greater numbers identifies some sort of overall cultural disconnnect among black males. Is it possible that this sense of disconnection causes these males to have no sense of obligation to their offspring? If this is an inherent risk when coupling with black males, then one wonders why ANY female would allow themselves to become involved with someone they know carries such a risk. Maybe these women just don’t want them to hang around after the birth of these children…you’ve got to wonder.
By Michael Smith
November 24, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
The fact that liberals are willing to distribute condoms and permit women to have abortions doesn’t change the fact that they also constantly push for the taxpayers to take care of other people’s children — thereby punishing one party for the actions of another party.
Liberals also constantly push to expand the whole rotten welfare state, which operates on a similiarly unjust principle: namely that rewards go to those who practice the vices of being lazy, slothful, stupid, irrational, shiftless, those who have never done a decent days work and never intend to and those who are just plain no good — while punishing those who practice the virtues of rationality, creativity, ambition, innovation and energetic hard work. THAT’s the essence of liberalism: rewarding vice while punishing virtue. THAT’s the nature of the system they are determined to force on our children for the rest of their lives.
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten fails to note that 30% of whites are born out of wedlock.
Is this “Post Before Reading” day?
And the figure, if you take Jim’s stat, is closer to 25%. Not that it matters, since you seem determined to counterattack, rather than face the fact that the African-American community provides such examples of breathtaking negative behavior.
By JB
November 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this
Jackie, You may also want to call WSB-TV to complain. Nearly all their news stories are about blacks. Murder, drug raids, drive-by’s, gang killings, sex slavery, prostitution…the list goes on and on. Just watch tonight and count the minutes dedicated to the black community and you will see that nearly ALL their examples are about blacks (as you are so fond of saying).
By Other CJ
November 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
the Ten Commandments. Anybody read them or even heard of them in here? Doesn’t sound like it. If we obeyed them, it would take care of most of our societal ills. No racism there.
By TW
November 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Michael Smith 3:09 - Your anger is rooted in your ignorance. Does your mom know you’re using her computer?
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
@Aquagirl
You fail to face the facts that whites so-called “negative behavior” is the same as that of African-Americans. How do you explain the fact that 80% of men admit to having affairs and more than 50% of women admit to having those same affairs outside their relationships. How do you account for the drug use, cocaine, crack, meth, speed, marijuanna, etc. amongst whites? You try to use these anecdotal figures to prove a negative. To put it simply, there ain’t no way you can do it. It appears to me you need to get off your racist horse and come down and live with everyone else. There ain’t no such thing as “they” in nothing; it is “we.” Take statistic and figure out how it works. Blacks comprise roughly 16% of the US population of more than 300 million. How many white women are on welfare and what percentage are there on welfare? Is it the “black welfare queen” you purport to trot out front as a model? Help me out with this answer!
By @@
November 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Jackie:
Aside from your failure to acknowledge Jim’s identifying the percentage of unmarried birthrates among white you also miss another point he tried to make:
The question remains, what can we do to raise the economic well-being of all our citizens? I would be suprised to find that folks that had a job that paid them a living wage would not care what we thought, nor be dependent upon public assistance to live if they had this economic opportunity.
The athletes and entertainers are very wealthy but they still make irresponsible mistakes that impact not only their neglected kids but ours as well.
The athletes and entertainers know full well that those with less opportunity and less education are likely to be the victims of their irresponsible behavior. Afterall, when life’s not looking too good in your own backyard it’s so entertaining to look for the greener grass don’tcha know.
You’re right when you say they don’t care. Liberals however, promote them, entertainers especially, as champions of the poor and oppressed.
It just isn’t true.
By JerryJeffBobJimboBubba
November 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
Hey! Compassionate conservatism really is Biblical!
…for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation…
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this
@Aquagirl,
I think Jim’s numbers are wrong about the birth rate among white women; his thesis about black men being the only ones displaying this type of behavior is ludicrous. Black men have been used as examples to foster this negative image you have of them. How many white men, especially those not rich do you know that have displayed this same type of behavior. I can think of many politicians, CURRENTLY, that have not been the role model you seem to need. How do you extrapolate that black kids use these folks as models for life. You don’t seem to understand that the athletes are used for athletic models. The kids have learned that they must use means and methods to achieve economic advancement in society with athletics being ONE way to achieve that goal. Liberals promote the entertainers as champions of poor and oppressed? I would contend you watch too much Fox and listen to Rush, Ann, Laura and Jim far too much! If you use your same premise that kids use role models, then, how do you square the notion that white kids use the criminals the robbed, cheated and stole from the shareholders in the corporations that are currently in jail? how do you explain to your children that the rule of law and the Constitution is important in our system of government when Dubya and his band of criminals are standing front and center?
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Peter,
You accidentally make my point, that limiting young people’s heroes to like-and-kind contemporaries is American anti-intellectualism at its very closest approximation to genocide (as in young black Martin had better not show off a B+). It is as if the child were forced to wait in line at the Soviet baker as the only food source, when right next store there’s an uncrowded and fully stocked Publix giving away food stamps. The most devastating outcome of this intellectual stunting and ghettoization is a ricochet effect rebounding off of white children whose similars and familiars and parents are influenced by others’ assumptions that it’s OK for a little Latina or a young Martin to limit heroes to similar contemporary figures, which in Martin’s case would have left him with a good list, including Martin, Sr., A. Philip Randolph, Dr. Dubois, Thurgood Marshall and maybe Paul Robeson and Marian Anderson.
It also would have eliminated not only G.W. Carver but his preeminent inspirations [notwithstanding the Naz]: Mohandas Ghandi, Reinhold Niebuhr, Frederick Douglass and Henry David Thoreau. Had this been the case, it is likely that the most important American figure of the latter 20th Century would not have been heard from outside Atlanta, within which precinct he still would have been the “LLJ” (“Little Lord Jesus”) henpecked of the fine-hatted church matriarchs, and still ticked off about Jim Crow but lacking the nonviolent tools to do anything much about it other than to rail from Ebenezer’s pulpit and perhaps join the local NAACP chapter.
And LLJ was an immensely gifted and privileged little middle class boy with parents who loved learning and modeled self-discipline. If you’ve ever read a newspaper story on the release of any of the many reports (since 1967) on the status of young African American males, then you must have in mind, as I do, a far more representative LLJ than Martin King.
Because of Jim’s column and your post, I am thinking today of Compton, a hellhole I happen to know all too well. Do you know who the heroes are there? Magic, the altruistic sports legend and HIV patient, Michael and Kobe, their homies Venus and Serena, O.J., and a slew of gang leaders and hip hop artists (but I repeat myself!) not yet dead. I doubt that two-in-ten could offer you a comprehensibly accurate sentence about the historical MLK, though they are aware of him. I even doubt that the younger ones even know of their homeboy Ken Landreaux or of nearby Coach John Wooden, or of Charles Dumas the Comptonite and Gold Medalist, or of Violet Palmer, who grew up in Compton with the Williams sisters and became the first female NBA official. Much less would any of them know of the historical figures from Compton or most anywhere else. It’s too bad, because even if their inquisitiveness hadn’t been ground to dust and blown by the wind long ago by their elders and peers and the abbattoir that is Compton Unified School District, were they to iquire even contrically in time and space they’d immediately locate some people worthy of consideration; in mid-century, for example, Mr. & Mrs. G.H.W. Bush lived there with their young son Georgie.
Because Taylor Hackford and his cast and crew spent seven years doing such good work on the Hollywood movie “Ray”, and because Magic Johnson built a sprawling movieplex in their ‘hood, many of the Compton yoots will have put a face and some awesome sounds to the name of the man who lived off Overhill and La Cienega, atop the height overlooking the Crenshaw shooting gallery and Compton beyond. Were MLK a contemporary of theirs and the son of a Los Angeles preacher, he’d be living in the Charles’ neighborhood, Baldwin Hills.
It is inconceivable that more than four in a thousand pre-adolescent and adolescent Comptonites know anything about Mohandas Ghandi or H.D. Thoreau. And I’m pretty sure that no one other than the preachers knows of Reinhold Niebuhr, and the preachers ain’t tellin’.
By Luckoduh
November 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
{{{{Advisers to Senators SHrillary Rodham Klintoon and Barack Obama say that the candidates have watched security conditions improve after the troop escalation in Iraq and concluded that it would be folly not to acknowledge those gains.}}}}
They couldn’t figure it out on their own.
That’s your folly.
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The Psychos of Sorrow, spreading their Holiday gloom and despair:
{{{{Shopping rush begins; how jolly a season in doubt-Whiney Times}}}}
Yeah, you libs will just lie about it if it is good anyway.
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Only a month in office, already the libs hate this guys guts:
{{{{President Nicolas Sarkozy said the nine-day strike, which frustrated the public and cost the French economy hundreds of millions of dollars a day, did not diminish his determination to reduce expensive worker benefits and trim the French bureaucracy. Both sides claimed some victory in the strike, and the main issues remain unresolved.-Urinal}}}}
Yeah but the coward liberals crawled back to work, didn’t they?
Sarkozy 1, Pinkos 0, er, zeros.
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Trouble in Paradise?:
{{{{U.S. interception of Cubans nears high The Cuban migrant flow is approaching a milestone. The number of interdictions in the Florida Straits may soon match or exceed those in 2005,-Urinal}}}}
“Migrants flowing” through the sea away from all of that “free” “world class” heath care.
~~~~~
The Urinal finally publishes something from a Republican presidential candidate!:
{{{{Countdown 2008: ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE: Thompson: Giuliani’s NYC no role model-Urinal}}}}
Did you Code Pinkos know which one Thompson was or did you have to ask?
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this
God bless us, everyone. And may the devil devour the bowels of every person who thinks war is a good thing like the repudlickans do.
“Tiny Tim will you calm down and be nice?”
FU Mom!
By JB
November 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Jackie, You must have a birth defect. You appear to be missing a brain. It’s apparent you’ve watched too many Spike Lee movies. So take your crack-hoe self and move along. By the way, athletics is the easy way out for kids. Teaching them to use their mind will take them much further.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
God bless us, everyone.
“That’s it, Tiny Tim, your meds must have finally kicked in”.
FU MOM!
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Jackie, after you finish ranting and making more counteraccusations, maybe you’ll check out this linkfrom the ultra-right wing NPR. It’s only one paragraph, you need a short link due to your ADHD and general inability to focus on a topic coherently.
I’m not answering most of the rest of your post because it just plain makes no sense. Ending up with the babble about Dubya just shows why people refer to the “loony left”. Can’t defend your community—-start slinging mud. This recipe has been used by African-Americans for years now, it’s why you’re in the ghetto.
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
@Aquagirl,
As typical of you wingnuts, you use half-truths and hyperbole to try and validate your inane statements. You further try to disarm the argument by trying to make it appear that I am not making cogent statements about the thesis present by Mr. Wooten and supported by you. As you make know, I am not buying into your bob-and-weave foolishness because you will not answer with clarity, any of the statements I presented. Prove them wrong and you will have a strong argument with me, otherwise, you are just like the other neo-cons, “talk loud and say nuthin’.” How did you like those ebonics?
By RW
November 24, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
Tiny Tim, Yes, yes! We could all be good little DemoRats and just bend over and take it up the a$$. Isn’t that how you like it?
FU Timmy, you buttfuc&er.
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
God Bless us Everyone.
“will you stop saying that, Tiny? I mean, honestly”
FU MOM!
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
Man, maybe we have so many problems because kids just hear adults screaming at each other and insulting each other. No one wants to discuss or compromise. Democracy must be on its last legs if we can’t even raise our children in an environment of civility. We are all reaping what we sow…
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
@JB
I am not sure you know what you are talking about, “test tube baby.” How would you know that my brain is missing? Are you a surgeon or meth addicted? As for watching movies, “Birth of A Nation” seems to be the only movie that you can comprehend. Secondly, I will move when you move. Third, athletics are a vehicle that is used by many kids to move to a different place in their lives. Are they not getting exposure to and in many cases a formal education? Sounds that you don’t quite know what your are talking about. Are you steppin’ yet?
By JB
November 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Please use some of your food stamps and get something to eat instead of crack. It’s apparent the drugs are ruining your brain.
By SharonH
November 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
And so the season of Christ begins. Jim is all too happy to feed the racism and hate that festers in this city with his rant against Black people disguised as “concern” about the alleged dangers of unwed motherhood. For those of you who are new to this blog, Jim trots this one out every 6 weeks like clockwork, he keeps one on file on his computer and tweaks it to match current events so as to give the appearance of his column being topical. It is THE #1 topic of his blog and his all time favorite subject. He pretty much never ever discusses Black people unless he brings up that statistic about unwed motherhood. He must be a joy to work with, I bet that’s his lead off question whenever he meets a Black woman or man.
As a child, I loved my father and I still love him; I can’t imagine what my childhood would have been like without him. As an adult, I love my husband and I value his presence both in my life and that of our children. However, I know for a fact that if my father had died, my mother would not have fallen apart and my siblings and I would not have turned into wild-eyed ruffians. And I can guarantee you that if my husband were not in the picture, I am perfectly capable of raising moral, educated children without the guidance of a man. It is done everyday in this country by single women of every color. Jim are you just a woman-hating sexist or just a flaming racist, I can’t decide.
What is most sickening about Jim is that is far as he is concerned, Black people only exist as negative statistics. To that, Wooten I say get your head out of your a*, read a book and try to learn something about other cultures and people and quit feeding at the trough of negativity that sustains you. You’ll be better for it.
By @@
November 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
Jackie:
I think you became a little disoriented in your 3:49 to Aquagirl.
Liberals promote the entertainers as champions of poor and oppressed?
That ^^^ was something I posted, not Aquagirl.
I would contend you watch too much Fox and listen to Rush, Ann, Laura and Jim far too much!
You’ll refuse to believe this Jackie, but I rarely listen to any of those you mention. I do read Jim’s column everyday but don’t always contribute comment.
If you use your same premise that kids use role models, then, how do you square the notion that white kids use the criminals the robbed, cheated and stole from the shareholders in the corporations that are currently in jail?
Kids aren’t focused on corporate America or anything that goes on within it.
how do you explain to your children that the rule of law and the Constitution is important in our system of government when Dubya and his band of criminals are standing front and center?
Mention politics and politicians to a kid and watch their faces go blank.
Nope Jackie, kids are into athletes and hollywooders.
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
@JB,
Food Stamps aren’t available because you used them all for your meth addiction. Speaking of brains, what makes you think yours works properly, whale gravy?
By commonsense
November 24, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Stephanie and Virlie, obviously we will never agree on this matter. I am merely pointing out that this problem is so huge and pervasive, that it requires thinking outside the box to solve them. You have tried to make arguments against my ideas which I reject. But aside from your criticism of my ideas and describing your personal experience which are obviously sincere and heartfelt, how about proposing ideas that would actually deal with issue at hand? I would be willing to listen to any suggestion so long as the actions, choices, and misdeeds of others are not expected to be burdened by others. As for felons who have served their pennance, no problem. For fat people, try self control and discipline. If you have a genetic defect, heck yeah you should get tested. Do you want to burden your family and eventually society to satisfy your selfish need to have a child to carry on a deadly disease—try adoption. Stephanie if your concerned about apples and oranges, how about this. State laws mandate that all children be vaccinated to go to schools that everyone pays taxes for. Yet there is a raging debate that vaccines are a contributing factor to increasing rates of autism. Yet the powers that be have decided that public health concerns trumps individual rights in this particular instance. Why is that ok but the RADICAL idea that one should be married, 30 or older, and have financial means to have baby is not. I mean isn’t having a bunch of uneducated and unloved children causing rampant crime/carnage a public health concern? Would repectfully appreciate your thoughts.
By SharonH
November 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Jim, do you ever ask the lieutenant governor about the “harm” he suffered being raised by a single mother? He sure doesn’t seem damaged, he even made that fact of his childhood a cornerstone of his campaign. Why was it noble for him to be raised by a single mother but other kids are in imminent danger? Huh, Jim?
By Aquagirl
November 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
Jackie, I’m not trying to make you appear incoherent, you’re doing a superb job yourself.
I answered your first (and maybe only) coherent statement that Jim didn’t say anything about white out-of-wedlock births. It must have been embarrassing to be proved such an idiot, so you start rambling about Faux news and Dubya. Yes, ignore your public illogic. To do otherwise would be “acting white”.
Jackie, how do you like those ebonics? You can keep it in the ghetto, along with your general lack of thought process. Plus the high rate of illegitimacy, illiteracy, drug abuse, crime…it’s all yours. All by blaming the white folk and embracing the victim mentality. Keep it up, sistah.
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this
@Aquagirl,
One last thing and I will not get in this with you again. If your premise is correct, how did Clarence Thomas make it out of poverty? As far as living in the ghetto is concerned, I assure you, there are more poor whites than there are poor blacks. Secondly, being in the ghetto is a state of mind. Many blacks were born poor, but, many have found a way to remove the “ghetto attitude” from their pursuit of the American dream.
By JB
November 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
Jackie, Sorry, I don’t understand. I wasn’t taught welfare ebonics in school.
By happy2teach
November 24, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
Man, maybe we have so many problems because kids just hear adults screaming at each other and insulting each other. No one wants to discuss or compromise. Democracy must be on its last legs if we can’t even raise our children in an environment of civility. We are all reaping what we sow…
By JB
November 24, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Woo Hoo!!!….I’ve been fishing this afternoon, and I’ve caught a big one. I’m gonna keep reeling, and see if I can reel her in…..
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
FU Mom!
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Living Child-Worthy American Models in the U.S. Entertainment Industry; A Starter List in No Order
Tiger Woods, Amy Chow, Morgan Freeman, Brett Favre, Carl Lewis, Carly Patterson, Merce Cunningham, Quincy Jones, India Arie, Steven Spielberg, Carroll Shelby, Gretchen Wilson, Mikhail Baryshnikov, Carl Lewis, Clint Eastwood, Kurt Warner, Branford Marsalis, Robert Duvall, Josh McCown, Carrie Underwood, Haley Joel Osment, Jackie Chan, John Barry, Jacques D’Amboise, Alison Krauss, Matt Hasselbeck, Marvin Williams, Queen Latifah, Rush Limbaugh, Ang Lee, Kathleen Battle, David Pearson, Itzhak Perlman, Bela Fleck, Edward James Olmos, Aretha Franklin, Kurt Warner, Bob Dylan, Jake Peavey, Meryl Streep, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Al Jarreau, Joan Allen, Ledward Ka’apana, Will Smith…
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
@JB
Sorry, you weren’t taught anything that you could use in school. You don’t know whether to wind your hip or scratch your watch!
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
@Aquagril,
How would you know those things? Must be your neighbors living in the trailer park next to you?
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
What kind of sick heavy-breather would turn Tiny Tim into a porn anime caricature?
It boggles.
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
@Aquagril,
Anything I wrote in this blog, I can and will defend with facts. Now, tell us what point you’re trying to make? If I am so illogical and ghetto-bound, why are my statements not sitting well with you? You make statements that you can not defend and want me to not believe my lying eyes or ears. What a contradiction in logic you propose.
By @@
November 24, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
I’ve never understood this fascination liberals have with whales and their bodily functions.
Whale gravy? Is that the same as whale poop and whale chit?
By finch March 9, 2006 10:50 PM | Link to this
But the GOP’s playing smart. Distance yourself from a lame duck President whose popularity is so low, that when he looks up, he sees *whale po-op!
By GodHatesTrash August 21, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Dusty, you stupid hillbilly kkklown - Vick is 10 times the man Dumbya is.
Mike Vick - lower than whale sh-it. Dumbya - way lower than that.
Dumbya is pure unadulterated trash, just like the MORONS that support him.
Trash.
By Midori July 2, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Is anyone really surprised by this commutation?
Anyone?
Craven cowardly cretins - the lot of them.
Bush just taking care of his “donors”, as stated by Rushncap above.
The guy is lower than whale sht. Again, what did anyone expect?*
By Jackie
November 24, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
@@@
Sorry, didn’t see your earlier post. The question is, how do we teach our kids to respect the Constitution and the rule of law? We have them to tell the truth! We teach them about what it is to be citizens of humanity and of the USA; we nurture them to grow into responsible human beings.
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
Amvet,
Would you please post here a brief music video link to YouTube, bearing on today’s topic? I don’t know how. The YouTube reference is “Don’t Fence Me In”, David Byrne. (Besides, you’ll dig it.)
Pritty Pleeeeeeez? :)
By Peter
November 24, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Folks this is not a Black or White issue, all kids are being mislead by what the media shows, and by Hip Hop Music.
Actually White folks are the #1 buyer of that type of music that puts down women in general, and say the Thug life is the glory.
Watch the any of the TV shows that show the houses of the famous, most seem to be the Hip Hop Rapers.
Kids say WOW these guys have it all so they emulate them…..
Also FUNNY because if you watch what the White CEO Corporate American guy does……. he rapes his workers and gets way too much for what he does…..
“Further expose CEO compensation that’s now about five hundred times the salaries of workers, compared with about 40 times a generation ago.”
A quote from Paul Farrell who write columns for Market Watch.
Politicians are 90% lawyers, and who trusts a Lawyer?
Where do we actually turn the church?
Well it seems the religious leaders are money hungry as well, constantly in the NEWS for all the negative stuff they have been pulling….
Does anyone trust the Cops?
Come on folks this is NO racial issue, this is about how far out of balance we are in this world with love and kindness!
It is all about ME TODAY !
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Dangit! I have searched my eyes red trying to find just a single Wootenism in today’s column. Dang!
By getalife
November 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
My goodmess, this wingnut blog is a mess when I am off getting hammered.
What up wingnuts?
Drunk yet?
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
God Bless us, everyone.
“Tiny Tim, you’re back! I missed my Tiny Tim, the nice little boy who always had something nice to say or do. I love you, Tiny Tim.”
FAQUE MOM!
By Tiny Tim
November 24, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
God Bless us, Everyone.
“Thank you, Tiny Tim, you sure are in a good mood today.”
F-F-FA QUE, MOM!
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
get! I gotta take advantage of your present state and get you to endorse Rudy…
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
happy2teach,
Still interested in thoughts repairing (esp.) the black family unit?
By Peter
November 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Hey Grand Troh…..
A VERY good list BUT Rush Limbaugh, doesn’t belong any where on that list with that group of people !
By Roger
November 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
getalife, you talking right or left wingnuts? Both seem to have a bug up their a$$ today.
By Midori
November 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
@@,
I love it when you quote me.
shows you’re paying attention.
however, as is typical of you and your brain diseased brethen, you fail to process the information accordingly.
Speaking of whale sh*t, I see Howard got his butt kicked in Australia.
How’s that coalition of the unwilling going?
By DawgMan Jone
November 24, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
KENTUCKY WON ! KENTUCKY WON !
By @@
November 24, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
Jackie @ 5:07:
Are you asking and answering or just asking?
What is taught in the home radiates out into society. If it’s positive we all benefit. If it’s negative we all suffer as a result.
What we see in today’s society is certainly not something we want influencing us in our homes and families.
As far as nurturing them to grow into responsible human beings — that’s kinda difficult when 1/2 of what/who should be responsible for them is missing and “in heated action” elsewhere.
A nurturing Mother is a jewel among women but a kid knows when a Dad doesn’t care and nothing a Mother does can repair that kind of emotional and psychological damage.
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Peter, Peter, Peter,
You still don’t get that elders need to commend to the young continuously an ever changing, multidimensionally heterogeneous list of candidates for the coveted title Role Model. That list is very diverse, even ideologically. Rush is on there because he’s the dominant force of longstanding in radio entertainment, and for two other reasons: his show, unlike those of the professional vulgarians such as Imus, Savage and Stern, is kidsafe; moreover, whether we like it or not, every weekday he positively shouts with Whitmanesque the great joy he derives from exercising calistetically his and our rights to free expression and lawful petition and redress. I’d rather have had, in the conservative radio department, Dr. Bennett, but he has about 400 listeners.
[Rudy 08]
By Grand Troh
November 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this
@@,
I realize you need this tip like my dog needs fleas, but Midori just gave you a link to the Boston Globe, which yesterday reported that things are still very dicey in Iraq!
I’m still laughing at that one.
So caveat enter, as Mr. Soprano would say. That Midori. I shoulda known. After all, I’m Cointreaul.
[Rudy&Out]
By @@
November 24, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Midori:
and I love it when you pop up out of nowhere after your name is mentioned.
shows me YOU’RE paying attention.
Congratulations to PM Rudd, raised in poverty and flanked by his multimillionaire wife Therese Rein.
I don’t think Kerry was raised in poverty but he sure ‘nuff did marry money.
Democrats, not only are they now the party of the rich, they party with the rich and then marry ‘em.
Gigilos?
By GaLiberal
November 24, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Moron Jim says: Coincidentally, federal authorities in Richmond, Va., asked for a similar guarantee on behalf of pit bulls. Citing Michael Vick’s “deteriorating financial condition,” prosecutors asked a U.S. District Court judge to freeze about $928,000 to care for 54 pit bulls seized from his Bad Newz Kennels property in Virginia. Children deserve as much.
What does this have to do with the subject of Moron Jim’s latest screed? Nothing except to take a cheap pot shot at a black male. Unless that is Moron Jim’s underlying motivation. Typical of his racist Rethuglicon boot-licker brethren, Moron Jim singles out blacks as the boogie man. Of course, Moron Jim conveniently leaves out that the majority of black athletes are married and good fathers to their kids. But that gets in the way of Moron Jim and his fact-bending to support his narrow, racist views.
What Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that he’s not really concerned about poor black children. He’s just using them as his whipping post for his neocon morality that forbids sex outside marriage. Sex is only for procreation, not recreation right Moron Jim? If a woman does get pregnant, having an abortion is completely out of the question. Of course, Moron Jim and his lickers just stand their and shake their fingers and pontificate about the evils of having children out of wedlock. Do they step up and offer some safety net to these children? To the contrary, they take away things like SCHIPS because it could lead to “socialized healthcare.” Besides, they need to money to fund the Iraq war and give bigger tax breaks to the uberwealthy and big corporations. Hell with them poor black kids, right Moron Jim. If we educated them then who would mow my grass, wash my cars, pickup my trash, and fix my big, gas guzzler SUV.
When you vote Rethuglicon, you vote against your own best interests. And Moron Jim is living proof.
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this
{{{{If 9/11 was personally devastating for Mr. Olson, it was politically transformative for Mr. Giuliani. The mayor’s calm in the face of catastrophe made him a national hero. As Time magazine put it in proclaiming him Person of the Year, “When the day of infamy came, Giuliani seized it as if he had been waiting for it all his life, taking on half a dozen critical roles and performing each masterfully.”}}}}
Which, of course, was before Time Ragazine and all the other libs realized they could use it as a dumbas-s campaign slogan against Giuliani.
These Code Pinkos couldn’t hold Rudy’s jockstrap.
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The only woman democrat presidential candidate, spends someone else’s money like it’s going out of style:
{{{{Second, we need truly universal health care that leaves no one behind. I have a bold plan to stand up to the big drug and insurance companies and finally guarantee health care to every American while cutting costs for families and employers. My plan costs $90 billion to $120 billion a year - paid for by repealing President Bush’s tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 per year.-Juanita Edwards}}}}
{{{{As president, I will rein in excessive CEO pay.}}}}
But not excessive junk litigation awards, you ain’t getting in her pocket.
Let some other sap pay for his populist bullsh-it.
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Sunday Steyn:
{{{{Over on the Democratic side, meanwhile, they’ve got a woman, a black, a Hispanic, a preening metrosexual with an angled nape – and they all think exactly the same. They remind me of “The Johnny Mathis Christmas Album,” which Columbia used to re-release every year in a different sleeve: same old songs, new cover.}}}}
{{{{Sen. Edwards is now demanding Sen. Clinton repudiate her Iraq vote and concede she’s as big a patsy and pushover as he is. And this is apparently what passes for “toughness” on the Democrat side. Judging from the number of “North Country For Edwards” signs that have sprouted in the first snows throughout the White Mountains in recent weeks, it may even have some traction on Primary Day.}}}}
{{{{That’s the significance of Clinton’s dithering on driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants. There was a media kerfuffle the other day because at some GOP event an audience member referred to Sen. Clinton as a “b***,” and John McCain was deemed not to have distanced himself sufficiently from it. Totally phony controversy: In private, Hillary’s crowd liked the way it plays into her image as a tough stand-up broad. And, yes, she is tough. A while back, Elizabeth Edwards had the temerity to venture that she thought her life was happier than Hillary’s. And within days the Clinton gang had jumped her in a dark alley, taken the tire iron to her kneecaps, and forced her into a glassy-eyed public recantation of her lese-majeste. If you’re looking for someone to get tough with Elizabeth Edwards or RINO senators or White House travel-office flunkies, Hillary’s your gal.}}}}
{{{{But tough on America’s enemies? Thatcher-tough? Not a chance.}}}}
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{{{{From a US perspective, an orderly and gradual decline of the US dollar is something to be welcomed. For a lower dollar has to be part of the necessary adjustment process of the large US external deficit. A lower dollar also has the desirable effect of making the country’s exports more competitive, thereby providing the economy at least a partial offset to the country’s housing market related woes.}}}}
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From the Smithsonian, a supposed knowledgeable institution:
{{{{Of course, biofuels also produce carbon dioxide, which is the major cause of global warming.}}}}
Propagating a lie, an easily disprovable one at that.
Does no one care for credibility anymore?
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{{{{When a prominent Washington lobbyist expressed a desire last week to attend Sen. Barack Obama’s next fundraiser, he was politely told: “Thanks, but no thanks.”}}}}
{{{{Obama’s campaign to finish ahead of front-running Sen. Hillary Clinton in the Iowa caucuses depends on showing he is removed from the corruption of Washington, as she is not.}}}}
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Every once in a great while, the most rarest of occasions, the libs will tell you exactly what they are thinking:
{{{{Countdown 2008: ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE: CAMPAIGN ISSUES: Role of Iraq in race changes course, Democrats’ dilemma: With success being reported after the military surge, candidates cautious on how to handle war.-Urinal}}}}
So Iraq is nothing but a “campaign issue” to the Code Pinkos.
And because America is successful, as some sinister “reports” suggest, the democrats have to devise a new “strategy.”
It’s all about them, isn’t it?
They have harmed the war and the Iraqi people from the very beginning with their irresponsible political rhetoric and actions, projecting an image of a “bad” America at war for oil that would cut and run at the first opportunity, which the enemy listened to and believed, helping the lib’s campaign strategy by killing as many innocent Iraqi’s as they could.
All for some votes?
If you don’t have the Atlanta Urinal litter box liner, go get it, turn to page B1 and gaze upon the racist hate cartoon of Condi Rice that these POS Ku Klux Klanners have published.
Was I right or what?
FY AJC.
Condoleeza Rice had four childhood friends killed in the 1960’s Birmingham school bombing, enough cred to give her a career as a race baiter along the lines of Al Sharpton, complete with apologetic cover provided by the AJC, but instead she chose to better herself and the world.
And since she is a Republican, it erases all of the factors that are supposed to be precious to the likes of Cynthia Tucker and all the other race whiners, the fact that she is a woman, the fact that she is black is no longer cover for her and opens the door for demeaning hate, hate based upon her race.
So much for the “being black” excuse.
At least until the next Tawana Brawley or Mike Nifing comes along.
Scumbags.
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Colin Powell:
{{{{I think Iran is a long way from having anything that could be anything like a nuclear weapon. -Urinal}}}}
Look at what believing anything, anything that Colin Powell says got us the last time.
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The Psychos of Sorrow provide cover for radical Islam:
{{{{Afgooye, Somalia —- The worst humanitarian crisis in Africa may not be unfolding in Darfur, but rather here, along a 20-mile strip of busted-up asphalt, several U.N. officials said. A year ago, the road between the market town of Afgooye and the capital, Mogadishu, was just another typical Somali byway, lined with overgrown cactuses and the occasional bullet-riddled building. Now it is a corridor teeming with misery, with 200,000 recently displaced people crammed into swelling camps that are rapidly running out of food.-Whiney Times}}}}
Gee, I wonder what a common factor in all of these humanitary crisis is?
Islamic oppression of the people?
So why does America and the UN always get the blame?
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
George Wills today: Heroic Conservatism is an oxymoron. Less government prevails philosophically because incompetence reigns philanthropically. (and the leftists are communist scum mislead by ignorant, self-aggrandizing notions of what compassion means).
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
Luckoduh,
Thanks for the skinny, and the cool lead on Giuliani. Steyn, in my opinion, gets better and better.
By coincidence I was getting some intell last week on what’s shaking with the Smithsonian (a family member is applying for one of the countless directorships), and it looks like it’s experiencing growing pains. They’re confused and factional. Different answers to the obvious question: Whither the museum in Clinton’s 21st Century? (It was he who crossed that bridge first, after all, calling down to Ted as he passed.)
They could, for example, follow the Library of Congress and work up a strategic plan to shove everything they’ve got in the way of collections through the narrow pipe that is Smithsonian magazines Net presence. Many of them are antiquarians though, by profession. Tech averse. Others are embarrassed by how far they’ve fallen behind.
The other problems have to do with the proliferating subspecies of Smithsonettes. Wanna donate to the congressionally empaneled Citizens Task Force for the Development of a National Museum of the Canadian-American?
[Rudy 08]
By WFC
November 25, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this
It’s simple:
White or Black, children need fathers to help mom love and guide them. Financial support is important but not the only thing.
Anyone who looks to celebrities to be role models is a fool. You have to do the “heavy lifting” yourself.
It’s silly to think that overall the child of an unwed teen can compete in any legal way with the child of two thirty-somethings, both with masters degrees and good jobs. Sure, there will be the “one-in-a million” exceptions but don’t bet on it.
Any male can biologically produce a child. It takes a MAN TO RAISE ONE.
By Objective Observer
November 25, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Chavez told supporters on Friday night that anyone voting against his reforms would be “a true traitor,” but he expressed confidence of victory and said some recent polls should not be believed.
Wow, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela sounds exactly like our own very Dusty. Dusty must be very flattered that someone as important as Chavez reads her posts.
By @@
November 25, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Just wanted to leave this little diddy for Midori this morning.
I wasn’t really paying attention to the elections in Australia but since Midori brought it up…
So who and what is PM Rudd? “Time” will tell:
A New Face for Australia
Australian elections have become increasingly presidential, and Labor cast this one as a two-man race: Kevin vs John, youth vs age, the future vs the past. A vote for Rudd was a vote for someone new. But not too different. Cartoonists drew Rudd as a mini-Howard. A satirical video on YouTube cast the Chinese-speaking Labor leader as Chairman Mao, with subtitles reading: “Rudd unnerve decrepit Howard with clever strategy of ‘similar difference.’” Rather than attacking Howard’s strengths, Rudd appropriated them. “I am not a socialist,” Rudd insisted. “I am an economic conservative.” On issue after issue, from federal intervention in dysfunctional Aboriginal communities, to national security, to the expansion of coal and uranium mining, Rudd adopted the government’s line.
The new P.M. is likely to go Howard’s way on foreign policy, too. What he described as “fundamental differences” with Howard — his vows to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change and pull troops from Iraq — are largely symbolic. Though Australia is outside the Kyoto regime, the country has met its emissions targets. And on the question of a successor treaty to Kyoto, Rudd in mid-campaign abruptly took the Howard position: a Labor government would not ratify Kyoto II unless it required China and India to limit their emissions. On Iraq, Rudd has moderated Labor’s earlier “pull-out-now” policy. He says he will bring home the 1,400 Australian troops in Iraq and the Gulf gradually, in a “negotiated, staged withdrawal.” He is prepared to send more troops to Afghanistan.
Never trust the party of liberals. They’ll tell you one thing to win an election and then do the opposite.
They’re not trustworthy. They only have one thing on their mind…
“What’s in YOUR wallet?”
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Tiny friggin Tim,
Gutt morgan. I concur with the part about liberals, and in my own hothouse mind I fill in the blank marked “self-aggrandizing” (and it is a blank because it begs the question “how”) with “instrumentalizing”, onnacounta that’s what happens when they spot the chance to do the compassionate thing: use the pretense of “compassion” (closest they get to religious zeal) as cover for turning masses of people, young or old, into agents of the world they’d like to see, the one that helps them sleep better at night, snug&smug in the delusion that the world today became a little more like them. None of their leaders can even conceive of another reason than this to have government at all.
Would you kindly or unkindly explain the phrase about incompetence reigning philanthropically?
I’m flummoxed by the multiple meanings of the adverb in that context.
[Rudy 08]
By Stephanie
November 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Commonsense, there is no evidence that vaccines are causing autism. There is also no increase in autism, there has simply been a change in the size of the umbrella for what we now call autism. Some symptoms that we now stamp as autism weren’t called as such 30 years ago. Vaccines are a public health issue. Who does and does not have a child may be a public welfare issue but is not a public health issue, no matter how much you want it to be. I am simply a realist. You cannot force people to have a baby at the right time in their lives and you cannot force people to get married when they get pregnant. I love how conservatives constantly want to legislate morality. You are all for less government until it comes to morality then you want a law for everything! I agree that marriage is the best setting for raising a family. I agree that it is best to be in a stable place in life both age-wise and financially before deciding to reproduce. I also think it is a good idea to have life insurance and a savings account and a retirement plan but you also can’t force people to do those things. I don’t have an answer for this problem because there isn’t one. All you can do is treat the symptoms (enforce child support, etc…) but you can’t cure the disease. You can come up with every pipe dream in the world about legislating your ideas for what constitues parent readiness but it is simply never going to happen. I do find it interesting that you require an age of 30 to have children. Since you are in the medical field I guess you know that this is the age that female fertility begins to decline. Interesting… Also to GRAND TROH, you listed many child-worthy celeb role models and I find it funny that at least two men on your list (Clint Eastwood and Quincy Jones) have fathered children out of wedlock.
By dirtyblues
November 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
many of the responses to this topic suggest that the author ‘does not care about the 70% or more of materially abandoned — negro babies — b@st@rdized by their egg/sperm donors…
that misses the larger point — which is…
why does such a very large percentage (+70%) of usa’s black egg/sperm donors of the usa’s negroid reproductively active population…
care so little about their genetic offspring…
and refuse to act pro-actively in providing a ‘mature & stable’ foundation for their children?
regardles of the politics, the ‘real or imaged bigotry’ of the author of this topic…
the reality of the ‘civic, cultural, economic, intellectual, social’ destructive dysfunction at the root of massive black b@st@rdization can not be ‘hidden in plain sight’ by any concerned, mature & stable’ thinking human being!!!
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
WFC @ 9:23,
Because I dig the rest of your post, I’m hoping to get you to back off a bit on your flat-out statement that it’s foolish to look to celebrities “to be role models”.
I gottallotta role models, in 17 dimensions and six millennia and 31 flavors. Not a one of them set out to be a role model. Is that not OK with you?
Some of my role models were or are professional athletes or other entertainers. Is that really not OK with you? I’d commend—and I do commend—any of my role models (I prefer “heroes”) to any young person provided the yoot is mature enough to understand the particularly heroic thing about that person. In other words I practice an age-appropriate fandom around children, not least because some of my role models are club-wielding s hitdisturbers. Is that not OK with you?
[Rudy&Out]
By Stephanie
November 25, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
GRAND TROH, one more who fathered a child out of wedlock on your list- M.Barishnakov. Also you put Haley Joen Osmet on your list. Since when it getting drunk, getting behind the wheel and causing a crash something to look up to?
By TW
November 25, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
How ‘bout them Australians not ‘supportin’ their troops?’
By Charles
November 25, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
There is one thing that could challenge my Christian faith. That would be the overwhelming majority of African Americans having two parent families, and rear their children in the likes of Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey. If God allowed that to occur, given the disposition of our servile condition, it would seriously challenge my faith in God.
In the Bible, the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, the children of Israel faced the same problems as African Americans do today. As some credible black men and women are troubled by the spirit, mind, and body of African Americans, Ezra and Nehemiah were astonished at the suffering and poverty of their people, Israel.
Nehemiah had a good job in Babylon, captivity. He was cup-bearer to the king. It would have been insane to ask his people to marry and get an education to improve the status of their children in Babylon as African American leaders do. Nehemiah resigned his good job in captivity to build power for his suffering and depraved people.
Some of the children of Israel had married people of other races, interracial marriages. Some had wives by whom they had children. They were a pathetic group of human beings.
It was understood by credible leaders in those days that to correct a problem like African Americans have today, two things must be done. You must build power, your own institutions and businesses to service the basic needs, food, clothing, shelter, education, and employment of African Americans; and rid the African American community of mixed marriages.
As long as African Americans attempt to solve their problems frivolously as suggested by Jim Wooten, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, enemies internal and external etc., African Americans will continue to suffer the scorn of God, nature, and man; and rightly so.
By As astra per aspera
November 25, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
As a native born Jayhawker, and in honor of last night’s football game in KC, let me unequivocally state that William Quantrill was no hero of mine.
The pro-slave Missourian raided Lawerence, Kansas and slaughtered 200 men, women and children.
Instead, give me John Brown, the first white abolitionist who some called a fanatic and a terrorist, but was praised by Thoreau and Emerson and was known as the man who “killed slavery, sparked the civil war, and seeded civil rights”.
Rock, chalk, jayhawk, Kaaaay Uuuuuu!
By Carol
November 25, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
We’re confusing a class and race discussion. How about if we compare divorce rates by income and education levels. So compare Blacks and whites in their own income levels. I bet the results would be much more alike than different.
Also, some of these athletes (impoverished upbringing liberated by sports) should be compared to whites like “dog the bounty hunter”…once poor now rich…with a butt load of kids.
You racists can make this inane comparison a racial indictment but for the thinkers among us, class, income and education is a much better predictor of such behavior.
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
God Bless Us, Everyone!
“That’s so sweet, TinyTim, I’m so proud of you, you’re the best son a mother could have.”
F-F-F-FA Que, Mom!
By Charles
November 25, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
You can conclude from my last post that this integrationist fraud is over as far as the masses of African Americans are concerned.
We understand the games you play. You have conversations on-line which borders on retardation in an effort to distract already misinformed people from any comments beneficial, wholesome, and true. That game is over too.
Church is just about to start. I will talk to you all on Monday; God willing.
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
yup, dasright. There is something going on with the manifest lack of paternal responsibility among young African American males. There have been many commissions on the subject, many reports. Much foolishness. Some of it mine.
One thing got through the skullbone though: surrogation, as in surrogate parenting. At 2:21 yesterday Charles was on it like a cheap suit. Then, no Charles.
Everyone’s accustomed to hearing that the West Africans brought to the Americas took rapidly to the Bible because of their many straightforward parallels to the Biblical narrative of bondage, freedom and deliverance. There’s a subtler but equally strong reason for the Africans’ indentification with the Christian Bible: surrogation.
Substitution, of which surrogation is a form, is the most consistent and pervasive Biblical theme next to idolatry. (And idolatry is the Biblical reason for the substitutionary theme, but that’s for some other place than Jim’s.)
There wuzza whollotta substitutin’ goin’ on in dem days, and only some of it subtle. Mostly it was lurid cliffhanger stuff, such as the desperate jettisoning of baby Moses into the Nile as though he were a beautiful newbie of today, tossed into a dumpster or, on a good day, abandoned on the Sheriff’s doorstep or at the Emergency Entrance.
Even more beloved than the story of the floating future foster father of his people, is the story of Solomon’s Judgment, a perfectly crafted lesson in the ontology, the essence, of motherhood and parenting.
If you re-read that story closely, you’ll discern the care taken by the author to ensure that the reader cannot know, anymore than Solomon did, which was the actual mother, but only which was the ontological mother, the True Mother.
So the story first shows the irreduceable essence of true parenting and then shows that this essence, this parenting, can exist independent of one’s having a child of one’s own. In this way it’s a call to me, a childless man, to be prepared to be such a parent.
American slaves had to be prepared to be parents because African children were apt to be permanently separated from their parents from the moment they laid eyes upon their first slavedriver to the moment of their death, be it on Africa’s Horn or in mid-Atlantic or in Maryland or Georgia or Missouri or Texas. Many of the people stolen by the slavers were already the children of surrogate parents, because that’s the way things often were done in West Africa in those days: every adult, regardless of parental status, was to be an ontological parent-in-waiting. It didn’t take a village to raise a child; it took a parent in a village. So the villages were villages of adults prepared to parent.
The fact remains that newly arrived slaves took to the biblical stories to which they were introduced in America because those stories spoke to them as they could not do to European Americans. Many of those stories did and do involve surrogate parenting, surrogation, and substitution generally.
Today black children are born into a group which constitutes about 11% of the U.S. population. A portion of those children currently make up 40% of foster children. Many of those 40% are fostered by, and often are adopted by, black grandparents. Many black children with no experience of foster care also have no experience of mothering or fathering, but only of grandmothering and grandfathering.
The elders know. The elders have always known.
Because the young studs don’t listen, they don’t know. Because they don’t know, they don’t care.
Meanwhile, Moses floats.
[R’08]
By Rick
November 25, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
It was disappointing to find Wooten citing instances involving prominent blacks while leaving out white stars such as Larry Bird, Chipper Jones, and Tom Brady. Beyond statistics most out of wed lock births are actually to white parents. Statistics also don’t reveal that most of these children are born into relationships where both parents share a common household. The unfortunate consistent to this “American” problem, is that many young people fatalistically assume divorce, because it is so common is inevitable, and have come to believe that marriage is just a piece of paper.
They are wrong. It may not work all the time, but it is a commitment to try. They need to learn it is worth the effort to try.
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
God Bless us Everyone!
“Awww, that’s so sweet, TinyTim”
F-f-f-ffffah que Mom!
By getalife
November 25, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Paul: I Won’t Vote GOP In ‘08, They’re Too Pro-War
Lets face it, vote gop and you get more war, a draft and and a mind set of government is the problem., not the solution.
We have major problems that need solutions and the gop will never deliver.
Hell, w has set us back years instead of going forward.
Think before you vote people, lets not have another w.
Geez.
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
God b-b-bless us e-e-everyone!
“That’s a sweet sentiment, TinyTim, just in time for x-mas”.
f-f-f-fffffah que, mom!
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
Tiny Tim go bad. Tiny Tim he go porn. Tiny Tim is Joseph A. Bank’s paid spokespedophile. Tiny he D.B. Cooper. Tiny he Max Heileger.
The Walrus is Tiny.
Bad Tiny. Bad.
By JerryJeffBobJimboBubba
November 25, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
Huckabee gets the WWE SmackDown endorsement?!!! Lucky dude.
And who said professional religion, er, I mean, wrestling, was fake?
Scumbags.
Just kidding, doing my Luckoduh imitation.
Pray for rain.
By GQ Dog
November 25, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Black or white, the statistics for unmarried women having childern are astounding. I’m a black male and I have 2 children in wedlock and one prior to getting married and I can see the difference it makes. I regret having to be included in the near 70% participants out of wedlock. I feel like the 24.5% group is way under recorded, leading one to think a certain group has a better handle on the issue. There are several other families divorcing or separating before the children are 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 years old. Those families should be included in these studies. Many times the mental and the financial results are very similar to the out of wedlock children.
By GQ Dog
November 25, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Black or white, the statistics for unmarried women having childern are astounding. I’m a black male and I have 2 children in wedlock and one prior to getting married and I can see the difference it makes. I regret having to be included in the near 70% participants out of wedlock. I feel like the 24.5% group is way under recorded, leading one to think a certain group has a better handle on the issue. There are several other families divorcing or separating before the children are 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 years old. Those families should be included in these studies. Many times the mental and the financial results are very similar to the out of wedlock children.
By GQ Dog
November 25, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Black or white, the statistics for unmarried women having childern are astounding. I’m a black male and I have 2 children in wedlock and one prior to getting married and I can see the difference it makes. I regret having to be included in the near 70% participants out of wedlock. I feel like the 24.5% group is way under recorded, leading one to think a certain group has a better handle on the issue. There are several other families divorcing or separating before the children are 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 years old. Those families should be included in these studies. Many times the mental and the financial results are very similar to the out of wedlock children.
By GQ Dog
November 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
Black or white, the statistics for unmarried women having childern are astounding. I’m a black male and I have 2 children in wedlock and one prior to getting married and I can see the difference it makes. I regret having to be included in the near 70% participants out of wedlock. I feel like the 24.5% group is way under recorded, leading one to think a certain group has a better handle on the issue. There are several other families divorcing or separating before the children are 2, 4, 6, 8, or 10 years old. Those families should be included in these studies. Many times the mental and the financial results are very similar to the out of wedlock children.
By Peter
November 25, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Just like in Australia…..the same will happen here inn the US……. the “conservative” Republican party is going to get TROUNCED in 08.
My only hope is we won’t get Clinton !
By David
November 25, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
Quoting Dan Quale?? LOL I’m glad I only LOOK at the content on ajc.com for free. I guess you get what you pay for. Where is the journalism in this pathetic publication?
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
Uh-oh, bad news for the democrats:
{{{{According to ShopperTrak RCT Corp., which tracks sales at more than 50,000 retail outlets, total sales rose 8.3 percent to about $10.3 billion on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, compared with $9.5 billion on the same day a year ago. ShopperTrak had expected an increase of no more than 4 percent to 5 percent.}}}}
And here I thought everyone was at the soup kitchen, from what I read in the Whiney Times.
And where will they put all these gifts that they are buying, why, didn’t they lose their homes just recently?
No, no, this just won’t do, we are going to have to slant this to fit what Queen Klintoon has been wailing about, maybe the headline should be “Sales rise but many left behind.”
What do you say Polly, how will you libs at the AJC report this good news for America as though it were bad and horrible and cause to sob and moan?
Or will you make a little tiny story out of it and hide it on the back page?
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
Bush is doing exactly what the libs were whining about him not doing and now that he’s doing it you know that they’ll just whine about it:
{{{{The Bush administration was able to declare a clean sweep when Syria, the last Arab world holdout, said Sunday it would attend this week’s high-stakes Mideast peace conference.}}}}
Is it even scientifically possible for a lib to run out of things to whine about?
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
J-j-jim wooten’s j-j-journalism is st-st-still gaining acceptance!
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
And you thought I wasn’t from the “Heartland:”
{{{{PAPER: ‘Heartland America’ hates Hillary Clinton and Co…While we found many people who hated Mrs Clinton, those who loved her were few and far between. “I’m always amazed how we can screw things up,” said Steve Ayers, a coffee-shop owner in Hannibal. “Maybe the way we screw it up this time is by nominating Hillary - across the Midwest that would be the only way of unifying Republicans.”}}}}
It’s our strategy in a nutshell.
Nominate that B&*%$.
By TW
November 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Carol - the GOP will never concede to looking at income grouping - it would be the death of their party. They have to divide in a manner that pushes people toward them - not away. Hence race, abortions, religion, etc…… Make it about the ‘haves’ vs. the ‘have nots’ and the Republikan party is dead.
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this
The GOP is about the Haves and the Half-Wits, sir.
God bless us everyone.
“That was really insightful political commentary, Tiny Tim.”
f-f-faque, mom!
By getalife
November 25, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Archbishop Of Canterbury: ‘US Is Worse Than The British Empire At Its Peak’
Geez.
I see lazy fred went off on faux noise today.
GFH (Good For Him).
Peace summit?
Good, tell the Saudis to stop blowing up people.
Of course, they will stay the course because they cut and ran from a political strategy.
The goal of surge has failed.
Mmmmm, what to do next? The summit may be the way out.
Geez.
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
And you thought we didn’t remember these things:
{{{{Even before the plan was announced to the public on January 10, 2007, Democrats launched their assault. Senator Christopher Dodd declared the plan useless: “A ‘surge’ of American troops will do nothing.” Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, the top Democrats in the new Congress, released an open letter to Bush on January 5, decrying his redoubled effort as futile: “Surging forces is a strategy that you have already tried, and that has already failed.” The surge was “a sad, ominous echo of something we’ve lived through in this country,” according to Illinois senator Richard Durbin. “I’m confident it will not work,” said John Kerry at a Senate hearing, a sentiment echoed by Barack Obama. “Verdict first, trial afterwards,” said the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland, unaware of her future as a role model for America’s congressional Democrats. And then it really got strange.}}}}
{{{{ Senate Democrats joined the Republicans in late January in unanimously confirming the appointment of General David Petraeus, a counterinsurgency expert and coauthor of the new surge proposal, sending him off with godspeed and good wishes to the front. Then they began to try to kneecap his efforts, seeking to deny him troops and/or money in an ongoing series of votes of no confidence, coupled with predictions that he would not succeed. Lest anyone at home or abroad not get their message, they rapidly passed two resolutions declaring their profound lack of faith in his mission. One, from Carl Levin on February 5, declared the Senate’s disagreement with the “plan to augment our forces”; the other, from Harry Reid two weeks later, declared it the sense of Congress that “Congress disapproves of the decision of President George W. Bush announced on January 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq.”}}}}
Cowards all.
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
Duhng’s the coward. He’s the only one whining. He stinks!
“Thats the way to tell Duhng off, Tiny Tim, you nailed him but good, my boy”
f-f-faque, mom!
By commonsense
November 25, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
Stephanie, No increase in autism? Really? You might want to check your research. As a parent of a severely autistic child, I can tell you with absolutle certainty that there is. I can recite hundreds of personal stories of autism shortly after vaccinations. I do not blame vaccines for this. I do not blame anyone for my special needs child. Nor do I expect others (i.e. government) to help me pay for all the extra costs to raise her. We are not ENTITLED to have perfectly healthy and happy children. Nor are we ENTITLED to have happy and healthy lives. Those thing are earned. And I don’t mean that it is all financial either. God knows, plenty of rich people lead sad, pathetic lives. All I can say is that if we cannot as a society change the value system where sexual promiscuity and parenthood are so casually regarded (be it legislation, public awareness, churches, etc), it is pointless to debate this if no SOLUTION can be found. It seems to me that you are a nihilist in this regard since you have no answers or suggestions. I agree my proposal would be regarded by some as radical, but at least it would get people’s attention. Nice chatting with you.
By TW
November 25, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
So, if the surge ‘worked’, why are only five of the 160 thousand coming home next month?
Didn’t one of those lib generals say we needed 500,000 from the start?
Perhaps the Republican Party ought stick to the Grenadas of the world next time they want to play war.
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
TW, I’ve come to the conclusion that the trumped story about Rudy + Hugo = Love was “placed” at CNN, which did not research it, by the Hillary camp. At first I thought it might’ve been Romney’s son, but no go; it’s CNN + Hillary = Love.
Luckoduh, you keep giving away trade secrets! Do you think we’re as good as Ali awreddy, that we can just tell ‘em how hard we’re gonna hit ‘em, and where they’re gonna feel it, and when?
Ya think they’ll fall for our legerdemain?
…heh, heh…
[Rudy&Out]
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
{{{{By TW November 25, 2007 3:33 PM Perhaps the Republican Party ought stick to the Grenadas of the world next time they want to play war.}}}}
Ah, yes, we should turn this Iraqi deal over to the Geniuses of War democrats, whose last adventure cost 58,000 soldiers their lives and resulted in the only defeat suffered in American history.
Tell us TW, when will the time be ripe for us to run screaming from the battlefield?
And I know you Code Pinkos aren’t that bright, but when discussing the surge notice how we attached an -ing to the word “work” and not a -ed.
We’ll come home after the victory, duh.
By St. Veronica
November 25, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Republicans are hilarious! And stupid. When are you people going to learn the difference between ethics and morals. One you can legislate and enforce, the other you can’t. I am so bored with listening to conservatives gripe about the morals of others. You people have lost all your right to complain about morality. You elect leaders who talk on and on about Jesus and family values all the while trying to screw teenage boys or cheat on their wives by buggering the guy in the next bathroom stall. It is laughable that you keep trying to trot down the same old road. Sorry but I won’t be buying bibles from a bunch of hookers. Next subject please!!!
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
Yep, autism’s been on a sharp upward and spookily straight trendline for some time. Something’s wrong. And it’s not one of the disorders that’s especially profitable, or newly discovered, or especially susceptible of misdiagnosis. It’s not like e.g. ADD (fmr. Hyperactivity), a convenient Rohrschach Blot and gambit for the greedy, lazy and power mad therapeutic classes
By getalife
November 25, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
What is the new political strategy duh?
Where is the exit strategy duh?
The summit?
Those arab countries will demand withdrawal.
What’s next genius?
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
God bless us everyone.
By Stephanie
November 25, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
Commonsense, First of all I am sorry about your daughter. I wish you the best. Really. Now unfortunately, I must tell you that you need to check YOUR research. The CDC, AMA and Surgeon General’s offices have all said that there is not an increase in the numbers of children with autism. It simply looks that way because we are putting so many ailments under the autism umbrella than ever before. For example, Asperger’s Syndrome is classified now as mild form of austism. 20 years ago it was not considered to be autism. Things like this make the numbers higher but if you look at it the “increase” is simply due to reclassification. This is a fact and if you research it through good sources and not reactionary propaganda you will see that. The sad fact is that autism manifests around the child’s first birthday which is preceeded by many vaccines so some parents have drawn a correlation between the two. This has been researched and researched and it has been proven that there is no link between the two. However, they do think that there is a genetic link which they are warning parents about. You stated earlier that adults who carry genetic abnormalities that they can pass on to children should adopt and not have biological children. Perhaps this applies to you. Maybe you should not father any more children. If you want more you should adopt. By your own rules, mind you.
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
Notice what the only subject is that the Code Pinkos can talk with knowledge and authority on?:
{{{{By St. Veronica November 25, 2007 4:29 PM You elect leaders who talk on and on about Jesus and family values all the while trying to screw teenage boys or cheat on their wives by buggering the guy in the next bathroom stall.}}}}
It’s a liberal’s only area of expertise.
Voter: “How will you solve the social security shortfalls, Mr. Pinko?”
Mr. Pinko: “Mark Foley is a fweaking qwueer! I hate qwueers!”
And by the way, Vern, when was Larry Craig promoted to “leader?”
That POS is nothing but a dumbas-s Congressman, just like all of the rest of them.
Losers all.
Especially the the one from New York.
By catlady
November 25, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Nation’s children being harmed by unmarried adults (headline by Mr. Wooten)
I have to say, from my perspective as a teacher, that many, many of our children are also being harmed by married adults (their parents). Too many parents are chasing after only their own needs and gratifications and either ignoring or throwing money at their children’s needs and upbringing. You would not believe how far “down the list” spending time supervising, directing, and caring for children are on some married parents’ lists!
By TW
November 25, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
luckoduh 4:26 - Tell us TW, when will the time be ripe for us to run screaming from the battlefield?
If we had a Commander in Chief who earned his check, you wouldn’t be having to ask me. Perhaps, since the Republikans initiated the abortion that is the Iraq war, they should figure out what to do about it? But no, they won’t. They’ll blame everyone else for their mess - that’s what spoiled little rich kids do.
Don’t know if Hillary will be a good Commander in Chief, but it’s fairly obvious her balls are bigger than what’s in the White House right now.
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
{{{{Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson proposed an income tax plan Sunday that would allow Americans to choose a simplified system with only two rates: 10 percent and 25 percent.}}}}
The democrat response: “Mark Foley is a fweaking qwueer! I hate qwueers!”
By Luckoduh
November 25, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
{{{{By TW November 25, 2007 5:29 PM Perhaps, since the Republikans initiated the abortion that is the Iraq war, they should figure out what to do about it?}}}}
Here, let me see if I can help you with this:
{{{{President Bush on Monday said, America will stay in the fight. Iraq will be a free nation, and a strong ally …}}}}
Let me guess, you Code Pinkos are unable to comprehend words like “victory” and “freedom?”
Seriously, “victory” for them must be when America loses.
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this
Stephaniephaniephanie,
(oops. held down the key too long.)
I’m not asking this rhetorically: do you really believe that autism is not on the rise?
By getalife
November 25, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
A stong ally, yes for Iran.
Geez.
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
I, Cointreaul, have put my all into this blog for two days. My blood, toil, tears and fresh-cooked freebase. I’ve done my homework. Hell, I’ve even read all of Jackie’s stuff. And little Timmy’s. I’ve labored for Peter. I’ve labored for Charles, for Janus, for Timmy and Stephanie. I did it for all of you, and what have I got? Not even the attention I need to oxygenate the flickering litte flame that is my spirit, my oneness with the One, the Allgiver! And now, with the waning of my wax, it’s all over. I surrender. Bang. Done.
[Rudy 08]
By Stephanie
November 25, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
I am sorry you people can’t comprehend this, but just because they are labeling syndromic conditions as autism that have been around for decades and have previously not been considered part of the autism spectrum does not mean that autism is on the rise. It means there are more things that they are now calling part of the autism spectrum. The umbrella has gotten larger, the number of cases have not changed. The medical community understands this; I am sorry you do not. Also, liberals do not hate homosexuals. In fact we stand up for them and support their right to live life as they see fit. We do, however, dislike preachy politicians who spend all their time talking about family values and morality all the while having no personal morals or values of their own. I understand that this is a troublesome point for you neo-cons who just can’t admit the truth no matter how obvious it is, but it still doesn’t change the fact that it is THE TRUTH!! You are a party of hypocritical liars.
By TW
November 25, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
Luckoduh - Victory - make as much money as we can in eight years and then get out of dodge. Civil rights movement made it clear that this country wan’t about us white guys anymore, so to helllllllll with it. Freedom - get the ignorant fools who live here to buy into our bumperstickers and while they’re waving the flag we’ll sneak out the back door with all their cash - freedom to do whatever we want!!! Freedom to buy ourselves a new country!!! Sitting there waist deep in our soldiers blood has slowed your single-lobed frog brain considerably, luckoduh.
Glenn - why the name change?
By Grand Troh
November 25, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Luckoduh! Luckoduh! Hey Luckoduh!! Um, like, Hillllary wuld’ve done like the same thing? Only bet-errruh? I’mallike, “He acts like we don’knowthat?” She’s the one with balls. I mean, jus lookatem sometime. They’re like, THIS BEAHG! Sure she’d stay in there for years without like, yooknow, reading the polls evryday or something. Like, I’m sure she rully cares? Like, huh?
By Grand
November 25, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
StephInfection,
Sure we comprehend it. It happens everytime the market-restricting self-appointed professional greedheads get together and revise their diagnostic manuals so as to usurp hitherto uncolonized remnants of our autonomy. It is simply stigmatization, the better to sell the cure. AutismAutismAutismAutismAutism…Right here in River City! tismtismtismtismtism…With a capital “A” and that rhymes with “hay” and that’s what we make!
Only, guzillions of us have noticed recently that more and more of our friends and relatives are bearing children with unmistakeable symptoms…
Call me Mr. Pibbs, but this s hit’s real. Sure we’re aware of the manipulations of our conceptions of health. And we’re aware that the health care system would rather bleed us dry than save us. And we’re aware that iatrogenic illness is one of their dirty little secrets they keep while they’re making out, not in the broom closet like on TV, but with their brokers…
But where does that get us with all the struggling kids we seem suddenlly to know who have to deal with something fierce whether we call it a turntable or a turnip?
By Troh of Trohs
November 25, 2007 6:31 PM | Link to this
Quick Stephanie! See of you can say what a neocon is, in one sentence or two or four or eight or sixteen. If you can’t do that, then identify just one “neocon” here.
Bonus points for explaining the identification.
[Rudy 08]
By Tiny Tim
November 25, 2007 8:54 PM | Link to this
f-f-fa que, mom!
By Stephanie
November 26, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
Troh, Sure neo-conservatism is a movement which began to take root in the mid-20th century. Irving Kristol is considered the founder and if you want to read their “bible” just subscribe to the Weekly Standard. In a nutshell, neo-cons believe moral standards should be regulated and enforced by the government, they are not concerned about the growth of government and see it as a natural progression where as traditional conservatives want to reduce government. Also, neo-cons see a marriage between tax cuts and economic growth, to say the least. Wooten, who initiates this blog, is a neo-con. Everyone on this blog who logs on every week agreeing with him is a neo-con. GW Bush is a neo-con. Is that enough info for ya’?
By commonsense
November 26, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
Stephanie, actions speak much louder than hollow words. I practice what I preach. Yes, my wife and I did get genetic testing as did my older typical first son. All came back negative and despite this, we felt it was too risky to have more children. Thus, I got clipped. Furthermore, we are now in process of adopting a child from China. As for the debate regarding autism, it is beyond the scope of this forum to argue both sides’ merit. Suffice it to say that I can provide peer reviewed scientific data to strongly correlate autism and vaccines to refute the industry bought FDA and CDC. As for feeling sorry for my family, please don’t since we don’t feel sorry for ourselves. Although we did not choose this path, we do not feel ENTITLED to have a normal child and along this journey found a type of happiness that most people can’t fathom. If there is any sorrow to be dispensed in these discussions, it should be for the child/fetus/zygote that you chose to abort at age 21 who had no say in the matter. Statistically speaking, had you had the child at that age at a time you were unwed and presumeable without a degree or job yet, he/she probably would not have done as well as your wonderful children now. However, you never know if that child could have broken thru those hard barriers and become one of those famous people mentioned. Then again, he/she might have ended up in prison. That is my point, if you make poor decisions, poor consequences usually follow. Just don’t expect others to carry those burdens for you. No matter what the excuses (i used protection, the man didn’t step up to the plate), it takes 2 to make a baby. And if you were just too young and immature, then my case is made. Oh and before you brand me a right wing right to life zealot, I never could understand the conservative thought that all life is precious and yet support the death penalty, since we know at least some of them are innocent. Conversely, where is the choice to choose life for the unborn if choice is so paramount to the libs.
By kh
November 26, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
Part of the problem can be found in the following quote:
“She didn’t know about all of the children,” her lawyer told Journal-Constitution reporter Tim Eberly. “She knew about a few. She had no idea he was being that disrespectful to her.”
What has happened to the culture when “a few” children with other fathers is not grounds for divorce? Was the 4th child the point where the disrepect was not worth the lifestyle? What message is being taught to the kids? “3 is okay but 4!- now there is a problem!”
What happened to honor and self-respect?
By Charles
November 26, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
There is one thing that could challenge my Christian faith. That would be the overwhelming majority of African Americans having two parent families, and rear their children in the likes of Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey etc. If God allowed that to occur, given the disposition of our servile condition, it would seriously challenge my faith in God.
In the Bible, the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, the children of Israel faced the same problems as African Americans do today. As some credible black men and women are troubled by the spirit, mind, and body of African Americans, Ezra and Nehemiah were astonished at the suffering and poverty of their people, Israel.
Some of the children of Israel had married people of other races, interracial marriages. Some had wives by whom they had children. They too had become a pathetic group of human beings.
It was understood by credible leaders in those days that to correct a problem like African Americans have today, two things must be done. You must build your own institutions and businesses to service the basic needs, food, clothing, shelter, education, and employment of African Americans, and rid the African American community of mixed marriages.
As long as African Americans attempt to solve their problems frivolously as suggested by Jim Wooten, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, enemies internal and external, African Americans will continue to suffer the scorn of God, nature, and man; and rightly so.
By Stephanie
November 26, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Commonsense, you are a typical long-winded neo-con. A lot of hot air without really saying anything. Honestly, I lost interest about half-way through your post. My condolences to the poor child who has to travel to the other side of the world just to live with someone like you.
By Virlie
November 26, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
I love how Commonsense has said that men should be forced to support the babies they make yet he tells Stephanie that she should not have expected her man to “step up to plate” that instead it was her problem and she should not have expected any help. Interesting double standard. I don’t think you have thought your argument through very well, Commonsense.
By lmac10
November 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
You people are all crazy.
Lord help us all.
By Paula
November 26, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
I noticed Wooten didn’t bring up Tom Brady as an example of person who fathered a child out of wedlock - oh, wait, Brady is white - different standards.
By hotlanta
November 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
The title is wrong it should read “Nation’s kids harmed by MARRIED fathers being shown trying to hide in bushes on TO CATCH A PREDATOR.” Excuse me Charles who said that Bill/Oprah set the standards for AA to act. Excuse me Bill cheated on his wife, got a daughter as a drug addict and Oprah has been living with Stedman as long as the average person been married. Is Donald Trump trying to tell methed out white folks how to act. Paris Hilton missed that class if that is the case. It is just amazing that he didn’t write this article when Anna Nicole had 10 men coming forth to be the baby’s daddy.
By Ted P
November 26, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Here are a couple of ideas to chew on; Get rid of the teachers unions so teachers can educate not indoctrinate. Fix the borders so other nations will stop sending their unwanted here. Make parents financially responsible for their children till they are 18. It seems funny to me that we need a license to drive a car but any imbecile can make a baby and run away from the responsibility of that child. With today’s technology we could stop this, but isn’t some body going to cry racism when we do.
By Charles
November 26, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Well hotlanta,
I tried to be somewhat diplomatic.
Let me be perfectly clear. There is one thing that could challenge my Christian faith. That would be the overwhelming majority of African Americans having two parent families, and rear their children in the likes of integrationist N****; Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Bev Smith, etc…
By hotlanta
November 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
My mom was on vacation last week and she was telling me while watching Montel this man TOLD his wife he wanted to have sex with HIS OWN daughter for his birthday present and mom obliged. I personally know of a case where a neighbor girl 15 years old stabbed her father for having sex with her for 3 years. He didn’t want her to date anyone. There are LOTS of stories like that but ole Wooten don’t wanna touch that. He wants the easy way out to blame eveything on those who are not married. Excuse me but what is Paris Hilton doing with a GED and explain the Columbine boys. Didn’t these kids have mommy and daddy at home everyday. Stop the madness please. That is so played.
By Charles
November 26, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
There is only one problem in the African American community. The problem is integrationist sell-out n****. All other problems in the black community spring forth from this high crime. They have sold the masses of black people into slavery,aka, integration. The sad part about it is that integrationist are not smart enough to understand the consequences of what they have done.
By Charles
November 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
There is only one problem in the African American community. The problem is integrationist sell-out n****. All other problems in the black community spring forth from this high crime. They have sold the masses of black people into slavery,aka, integration. The sad part about it is that integrationist are not smart enough to understand the consequences of what they have done.
By commonsense
November 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Stephanie, typical liberal thought. You ould rather have a poor Chinese girl living in abject poverty than be adopted by someone who has moral sensibilities that offend you. Tsk, tsk, expected better from you. Instead of just complaining about the problem, would love to hear from you in about a year after you took in a foster child and helped him/her-the same child you claim to champion. You said there is no solution, that’s my suggestion for a start. Up for it?
As for Virlie, please, how about getting to know a person intimately (w/o sex) before having sex. Then maybe when you CHOOSE to have sex with him, you will choose wisely and that man will step up to the plate. P.S. my friends will laugh hysterically that I of all people has been labeled a neocon—now that’s funny.
By susanne
November 26, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this
I too have gotten an abortion, and it was not a “form of birth control after the fact,” as one commenter posted in response to Stephanie. It was a response to a failing of a condom before Plan B was readily available, and it was the realization that not having that child at that point of my life (a 23-year-old waitress working on her masters, having just found out the man I had been with for nearly five years was sleeping with another woman who was a stripper)was giving life to the future children I would have one day, kids I could afford, and who had a father that would be the person I thought they were, and would have all these great things everyone keeps talking about in their posts. So do I regret having an abortion? No. Do I feel it was a failure of my family morals? Absolutely not.
By Charles
November 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
God sent Moses and Aaron back into Egypt to deliver the children of Israel from bondage, slavery. After many plagues sent by God on the Egyptians, Pharaoh allowed the children of Israel to go free, into the wilderness.
In the wilderness, some of the children of Israel elected a captain to take them back into Egypt, integration, or slavery. It was too hard for them to live in the wilderness, freedom. Fortunately, Moses and Aaron convinced the children of Israel to be obedient to God and remain in the wilderness. Finally, after all of those old mental slaves had died in the wilderness, God allowed their children to enter the promised land of freedom.
To make a long story short, God delivered the Negroes from slavery in America and put them in the wilderness. Do you know they elected leaders to take them back into slavery, integration, to be under the control of white people with all submissiveness?
The integrationist Negro leaders denied their children the possibility that God would deliver them to the promised land of freedom. So, consequently, their children are told that they are free, but the reality is that they have been reduced to bonafide slaves.
That’s why African Americans today need leaders like Ezra and Nehemiah.
By commonsense
November 26, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Susanne, you are a poster child for my earlier postings which have offended the likes of Stephanie and Virlie. Namely, that people less than age 30 should be prohibited from having children by mandatory contraception (for both men and women using whatever method that is fullproof as possible, depo-provera shots/3-month implants, male OBCP — all compulsory), be married, and have financial means (by that, not rich, but the basics, a job, house, etc.). Think about the heartaches it could have spared. I find it hard to fathom that people don’t think that we think differently at age 30 than we do at age 18, 20, 21. Susanne, you also don’t mention much about the life that could have been.
By Kevin
November 26, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
Here’s the sad bottom line: No ethnic population - blacks, whites, Latinos, etc - can be successful as a whole with a 70 percent illegitimacy rate. It simply doesn’t work and it never will.
For the one single-parent home success story that people like to dig up, there are 99 others that plagued by poverty, crime, etc.
Like it or not, the truth remains that God created the family to be one man married to one woman working in partnership to raise their children utilizing Biblical principles. Statistics overwhelmingly show that anything less than God’s ideal for families is far more likely to fail.
The black community will never realize its full potential until its collective attitude toward sex and illegitimacy change. The black church should be leading the charge on this.
By Kevin
November 26, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
Here’s the sad bottom line: No ethnic population - blacks, whites, Latinos, etc - can be successful as a whole with a 70 percent illegitimacy rate. It simply doesn’t work and it never will.
For the one single-parent home success story that people like to dig up, there are 99 others that are plagued by poverty, crime, etc.
Like it or not, the truth remains that God created the family to be one man married to one woman working in partnership to raise their children utilizing Biblical principles. Statistics overwhelmingly show that anything less than God’s ideal for families is far more likely to fail.
The black community will never realize its full potential until its collective attitude toward sex and illegitimacy change. The black church should be leading the charge on this.
By Charles
November 26, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Unlike Morpheus, The Matrix, I don’t give you a choice of which pill you will take, the red or the blue. I force the red pill on every person I come in contact with. That’s my commission.
The red pill puts you in touch with reality. The blue pill allows a person to live in a fantasy world.
Too many people are asking me questions in my place of business. I have got to sign off now. It’s been good talking with everyone. We will chat with you tomorrow; God willing.
By Milk E. Flooid
November 26, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
“… people less than age 30 should be prohibited from having children by mandatory contraception …”
Well, women under 30, provided they are smokin; hot, should by all means reproduce, as long as I am the father.
By hotlanta
November 26, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Wooten let’s talk about how white girls go away for the summer and supposebly going to see their aunt when they where going to have the baby at a home for unwed girls or give the babies up for adoption. It’s just amazing how people can act as if white women are the virgins of the world while everyone else is whoring around. Somebody tell me how does someone like Lohan go to rehab from exhaustion from partying when I know women holding it down with 2 jobs. Somebody tell me since white women are so PURE as the driven snow why are there emails floating around with them having sex with dogs and horses. My favorite is the new thing that white women are doing. They are having sex with 11 year old boys and going to Mexico with them. We can’t send out kids to school anymore. Homegirl having sex with her daughter’s 13 year old ex while hubby was sleep upstairs was a true classic. Let’s discuss that Wooten.
By AlohaVampire
November 26, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
No more babies for anybody. Especially the stupid people.
Seriously, we are all responsible for our own situations in life. Be mature. Understand that nobody else is gonna to take care of your child. It’s not the governments’ job … It’s yours as a parent. BE A PARENT.
Maybe the big, bad government can play a role here.
How about baby licenses?
If you can’t meet the basic, fundamental criteria, (aka maturity), you can’t have a kid.
If we end up with too many babies we could always use them for organ donations.
I’m kidding…
Stop screaming about racism. Start holding everyone’s feet to the fire.
By Andy
November 26, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Jim, when will you learn there isn’t anything PC about demanding more accountability from black males?
It’s perfectly OK they are ~7% of the population yet commit 50% of the murders and anyone who says anything negative about the black community including Bill Cosby will be labeled a bigot.
Until everyone in the black community receives reparations for slavery, a 2 tone Dodge Charger on 24’s and a $300K home to park it in front of provided by the federal government they will remain enslaved by the white man who continues to oppress them by merely suggesting they act like their fellow man.
Get a clue Jim!
By commonsense
November 26, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
See what I mean, are we so concerned about “Milk E. Flooid’s” civil rights to have a baby before age 30 that compulsory birth control (in whatever form) is so abhorent to our concept of individual rights that we are willing as a society to support “Flooid’s” dozens of cretin offspring? Unfortunately, the reality is that his type of thinking is much more pervasive in this society than we would like to admit. Desperate times calls for perceived desperate measures. Unless everyone who is against my proposal is willing to adopt one of “Flooid’s” offspring, you are really offering no solutions.
By Old Woman
November 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Playing the race card when it comes to accepting responsibility for your is stupid. What are you trying to do, build in excuses for ignoring your children and not trying to help them grow up to be the best they can be? Irresponsible men (of all races) have always tried to duck paying for their children. Children need two active, committed parents, if for nothing else but tag teaming.
By Zone3-ATL
November 26, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this
Wooten, Add some diversity in the example. You can list Tom Brady and Matt Leinart since you want to atheletes as examples. By adding a racial spin to your flawed theory in counter productive. If your theory is true, then you are dicrediting the childern of fallen US troops from WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, Korea, DS, OEF, and OIF who never met their father or mother due to their sacrifice, but still became successful American Citizens. There are challenges regardless to if parents are married or single. Nothing is easy and stop acting as if you have the answer to everything.