Thinking Right

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. Certainly all should agree that poor single-moms in the heartland should subsidize the palaces found in blue-county coasts. How could any heartless mind determine that owners of true mansions (none of this McMansion stuff) should have the bear alone the full cost of rebuilding a monument to ego when it is wiped out by the predictably recurring hurricanes, especially given the huge increase in the number of gargantuan storms we attribute to global warming. If we allowed the free market to work, these people may have to scale down to 5000 square feet or so.

Sarcasm aside, much of the problem of insurance company withdrawal is directly attributable to government acts. Although Florida is the poster boy for insurance company withdrawal (due to limits on pricing – the government would require the companies underwrite at levels guaranteed to lead to bankruptcy), the most egregious case is Mississippi re-writing the definition of flood damage ex post facto. Flood damage is always excluded in casualty policies, but is otherwise available, subsidized, from Leviathan. Most people do not bother to buy flood insurance, even if cautioned about the risks. In Mississippi the corrupt courts determined that the flood damage from Katrina was due to wind rather than water. So all of the insurance companies are pulling out. The government precludes the only sensible interpretation of plain language, and then is surprised when the insurance companies – mostly State Farm - abandons the state.

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Should states permit development, or redevelopment, in such areas? Yes, it is not the duty of the state to preclude stupidity.

Should property owners pay the full cost of insurance? Yes.

Is this a bill President Bush should veto if it passes? Yes.

By Aquagirl

November 12, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Ah, Jim is really taking on those who believe the government should guarantee your right to excessive housing. Last week he pointed out nobody was “ensnared” by lenders to buy McMansions. This week he points out welfare which covers greedy behavior by the rich or clueless. It’s no different than subsidizing fatherless children or a work-free lifestyle. While the right-wing is so quick to condemn those at the low end of the government handout scale, they rarely tangle with the “good” people like beachfront developers. In reality, those people are much higher up on the leech scale. They just dress and talk better.

By @@

November 12, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

I have to disagree with you on the answer to your first question Jim.

In support of the liberals’ demand for the return of freedoms, I must say YES…by all means — let us be free to choose our destiny.

See how easy it is to agree with a liberal if you must?

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Greetins Cretins,

*Don’t know about y’all, but I think Jim’s first question’s a Deusy if we get to ask one first: something like, “Are we our brother’s keepers if our brother and his family keep rebuilding in the shadow of Vesuvius?” As a kid I read a Pearl Buck story, based on truth, about a Japanese village and tsunamis. The villagers were Stoic creatures of habit, which they mistook for tradition. Which part of which of the 50 states is not prone to some form of natural disaster? Which is immune from technological disaster, in the Reign of Terror? Which residents are the best bet for the actuaries?

*Counties, municipalites and special districts are creatures and subdivisions of the states. The principal police power of a municipality is zoning, control over land use, the manipulation and programming of real property.

*jbm, if you’re here please don’t bother hitting your casebooks or LXS for a cite, but wasn’t there a U.S. Sup. Ct. case just a few years ago involving insurance for the Little Pig who keeps building a straw house on, like, the South Carolina coast? What did Diana Ross and the Supremes say?

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Sorry to’ve overlapped your answers with my questions, jbm. I began writing my post before anyone had posted, but was delayed for several minutes by the advent of the divine Ms. Garner on a morning talk show.

By Van

November 12, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

It would seem that the question may be too simple.

Do I have the right to build on land I own or have the right to build on(lease)?

If I own land sitting on the coast of Florida and build there, I should accept all the risks and insure against a disaster. I should assume all the risks and responsibilities.

Some locations are more prone than others. I would imagine Key West is more prone to flooding than Tampa. I would imagine that Los Angeles is more prone to earthquake than St. Louise. With that in mind, I would expect the insurance rates to differ with regard to risk and not the governments insane desire to get into the insurance business.

Does the government, whatever level, have the ability to engage in private business? Should the government go into competition with insurance underwriters? Where is it written that the government should insure that all are afforded affordable insurance?

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten asks, Should states permit development, or redevelopment, in such areas?

Let’s bring that question closer to home; Let’s go another step with “insurance”;

“1) The legality and necessity of granting incentives to developers—such as the $10,000,000 rent abatement given to Trammell Crow and Partners for the redevelopment of the Buccaneer Resort—to encourage them to build on prime oceanfront public property.”

For those of you who do not know what I’m talking about, it’s the unnecessary development of Jekyll Island to benefit the pocketbooks of private individuals.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I go to Jekyll Island to get away from the “development of prime property”.

This is another mixture of politics and ‘good ole boys’. The losers will be the people of Georgia.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Jim,

How stupid are you?

You are living in a high risk area with no water.

Take your head out of your a-ss and start promoting building pipelines.

Geez.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

If getalife’s out there I think he can confirm that Red Stick’s a stick-in-th-mud when it comes to the prospect of rebuilding New Orleans. They think it’s a flat-out dumb thing to do. And half of the residents of Baton Rouge are now Katrina diaspora.

State versus insurance industry? I dunno. They take care of one another as necessary. Insurance used to be a sector within the larger world of finance. Now it is finance; they are the same. Pols, possessed as they are of an inerrant capacity for knowing at all times on which side their bread is buttered, have been known to give the financiers a break or two, here and there. The industry would have collapsed in the last decade, for example, had government not looked the other way on the construction defect pandemic that broke out as a result of funny-money gushing from the Savings & Loans a la Potemkin of the 1980s. And when the industry needed relief from the explosion of Workers Comp claims, shazzam!, the pols to the rescue.

What I’m saying is that when these problems get big enough to challenge the structure of finance in this country, as Jim and jbm are pointing out that they are doing, then the deal goes down in a paneled room somewhere. A treaty, a round of handshakes, a club sandwich in lieu of smoke’um peacepipe.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

get, that’s bold talk for a man who’s living underwater himself!

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Dennis, what is “rent abatement”? And if the resort project, which sounds like a candidate for the Scammers’ Hall of Fame, is a redevelopment, what’s there now compared to what’s planned?

By James

November 12, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Weapons of Mass Destruction - 0.
Al-qaida links before - 0.
Al-qaida links now – MANY.
American Iraq War Deaths – 3,859 and growing.
American Iraq War Permanently Disabled – 28,385 and growing.
TOTAL Cost of Iraq War - $2,000,000,000,000.
Valarie Plame identity disclosure.
National Debit at record level.
Trade Balance at record level. Secret Prisons.
Sanctioned torture.
Health Care for poor. Social Security going broke. Spying on Americans. ETC., ETC.,ETC.,

By UberLiberal

November 12, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

@@, when have we ever demanded “the return of freedoms”? What freedoms?

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Glenn, is there a way that will not violate your privacy that I can send you the information that I have?

By Redneck Convert

November 12, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Well, it always struck me as funny that insurance cos. won’t cover flooding. Even if you live on top of the highest mountain in the world and their ain’t no water within two miles. Funny they cover wind damage though.

Course, after a bad storm its pretty hard to say weather your trailer was tore up by wind or water. The insurance cos. will always say water and it ain’t covered. And they will win because the godly Republican Oxendine is the insurance comm. and takes big campaign gifts from them. And they got insurance co. lawyers like jbmlaw to hire other lawyers to go to court for them. I guess the insurance co. lawyers ain’t good enough to argue a case theirselfs. So they hire people that know how to do it. Besides, if jbmlaw really had to go to court we wouldn’t be hearing so much from him.

Anyway, us rednecks that live in trailers don’t worry about water damage. A little wind will move our places to another county though.

Anyway, I say keep guvmint out of where people build. But I don’t want my insurance payment raised because some guy built on top of a volcano and it went off. Save the guvmint aid for the big developers that put lots of money at risk. Like the people that went in to fix that pirate resort on Jekyll Island. That way, we get the Trickle Down effect. They will hire lots of rednecks to do the work. And the rednecks will spend the money they make on beer and tobacco and pickups and all kinds of things, and everybody gets a piece of the pie. But no rednecks get hired if some guy loses his big house on a beach on account of a big tide. Its sort of like the tax cuts for the rich guys. Sooner or later they will have too much money in their pocket and start spending it and that’s when the Trickle Down starts working.

Well, the Baptists left my bars a wreck this weekend. They come out of church and headed straight for the PBR. So I got to get cracking here. Have a good day everybody.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Glenn, this may/my not work for you.

http://www.savejekyllisland.org/ChapmanMemorandum.html

Some of the public facilities on the island do need some upgrading, but what these folks want to do (some of these are the developers of the multi-million dollar homes on Lake Oconee in Greene County - also those who are wanting a “special school” for their kids) goes way beyond what is needed for that upgrade.

(Mostly in this country you are either very rich or very poor).

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Hi Dennis. Yes. Please send a one-page fax to me, Glenn Oracle (or whatever surname you favor)at Kinko’s: (770) 509-6666. I’ll pick it up there and will then send you my personal coordinates.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Glenn,

I think building where there is no water is stupid. I think Kansas rebuilding green is a great idea, using wind power for electricity.

I think praying to solve your problem is insane and I think Jim should write about building pipelines.

I think the “me” generation should start thinking about future generations and start solving all the problems the gop have created and ignored.

I think the gop stay the course is not option and it is ridiculous to vote for them.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

James @ 10:12, that is so upstandingly cool of you to publish a list of your specific grievances, a standing rebuke. I truly admire it. It’s powerful.

Gotta love this country.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Glenn, regarding you @10:34, I’ll see what I can do. I don’t have fax capabilities here at home.

This is a paragraph from a letter in today’s Athens Banner Herald.

“The Jekyll Island development proposed by Linger Longer of Greensboro would put more than 1,100 hotel, condo and time-share units, with plans for a $352 million residential and commercial “town center,” on 64 acres. Only 125 of 725 rooms would be “economy” accommodations.”

There are also a series of meeting in the next few days.

Below is the schedule of public meetings.

St. Mary’s: Wednesday, Nov. 14th, 9:30 a.m. - Heritage Bank’s community center, 392 Charlie Smith Sr. Highway,

Jekyll Island: Wednesday, Nov. 14th, 3:30 p.m. - Jekyll Island Convention Center

Augusta: Thursday, Nov. 15th, 6:30 p.m. - Knox Room - the National Science Center’s Fort Discovery

Atlanta: Tuesday, Nov. 20th, 3:30 p.m. - Cobb Galleria Center at Cobb Parkway and Galleria Drive.

As I see it, there is a big public backlash and the end will go down like this; the developers/state will want to “compromise”. Even then, they will get more than necessary.

There is absolutely no reason why these facilities can’t be brought “up to snuff” without all of the proposed development.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Dusty

November 12, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess it boils down to “everybody ought to take care of themselves”. But some of them cannot do it. Then what?

Most of us like to help the truly “down, out and helpless”. But even that has limits.

None of us want to help the rich in hard times, because they can afford to take care of themselves.

Now, everybody wants to say they are down and out amd might need help, which seems to be the first step in socialiam. There won’t be any rich,poor or inbetween. We will all be the same little puppets of the all-deciding government.

I’m not for it. Back to “take care of yourself. you lazy thing!” or something like that. Hmmmm Where is Solomon when you need him??

By Van

November 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

James,

What would you call enriched uranium?

Why was Armitage never prosecuted in the Valerie Plame case?

List the individual freedoms you have lost, have you received any phone calls from overseas terrorists? I can’t seem to find any lost.

Stop your whining and go something about it - you treat it like the weather, all you lefties do is b*** about it, but never try to get things resolved.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Dennis, thanks for the info. Is Jekyll the island that’s a national wildlife refuge or coastal reserve or whatever except for a small enclave of plutocrats with a concubine in Congress? Is that the one? (Some folks up in NC were kvetching to me about that one a couple months ago.)

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Glenn, my link @10:30 is what I would have faxed to you.

Dennis

By JT

November 12, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe it’s taken this long for government to start to wake up from this nightmare. For years, we’ve seen homeowners in the Mississippi deltas being provided with government funds to rebuild over and over in the same location as the house that was flooded. Why? It doesn’t make any logical sense. Why should all Americans pay for the poor choices of a few others? This applies to mansions, small coastal homes, mobile homes - any of them that are in high risk areas (beachfronts along hurricane alley, tornado alley or in California’s fire and mudslide zones). High risk insurance should be paid for by the parties insured by it, not by the rest of us who never make claims on our insurance. Who knows? In the end we might actually end up saving some lives, if the people moved away from those high risk areas and parks were made of the land….

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

James @ 10:12 & Van @ 10:47,

I happen to side with you, Van, and have half a mind to pick off some of James’s remaining items, but I admire sincerely your straightforwardness, James. Especially because, as Van has been known to point out, much of the B1t$ching consists of casually unsupported, irrefutably vague and ultimately spurious charges of serious crimes on the part of someone some blogger happens not to like. Usually the target is W, which is wonderful for the Republicans here because, as far as I know, none of them is planning to run him for re-election.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

By Van November 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Why was Armitage never prosecuted in the Valerie Plame case?”

Good question. The typical dodge for these prosecutions/coverups is that none of them could go forward for “national security reasons”.

“List the individual freedoms you have lost, have you received any phone calls from overseas terrorists? I can’t seem to find any lost.”

That’s the wrong question. The question is, how much intrusion do you want/trust the government to have into your private life?

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want any!

They telecom spying on Americans prior to 9/11 (as one small example) wasn’t because you’re a good citizen who is trusted by your government.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Van

November 12, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

“If the government gets into business on any large scale, we soon find that the beneficiaries attempt to play a large part in the control. While in theory it is to serve the public, in practice it will be very largely serving private interests. It comes to be regarded as a species of government favor, and those who are the most adroit get the larger part of it.” —-Calvin Coolidge (for those Mid-Town lefties, a former President of the US)

By deegee

November 12, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

The risk pool lock box. Right. Who really thinks that a few billion dollars put aside for a catastrophe is going to stay there for the next poor sap that needs it? The legislation is quick to point out that when a state’s pool goes broke, the states can borrow from the fed to fill up their pool. The Fed wants to create another slush fund, and another government entity to do what it sounds like FEMA should already be doing.

The East and Gulf coast hurricane risk can be mitigated if developers would avoid wood frame construction. I don’t see any reason why coastal property can’t be developed as long as the structure is designed to withstand CAT 4 hurricane force winds.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

get @ 10:34, notwithstanding the ACLU (at least I cannot do any standwithing among that crowd of vandals), there’s nothing wrong with Georgia’s leader requesting a prayer for rain. It’s just that when the Chaplain’s done it’s time to fight the battle. For how many weeks now have you and I been asking, Where’s the commander’s battle plan?

By getalife

November 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Praying is his battle plan.

That is gop leadership for ya. Pathetic.

Anyhoo, to answer van’s stupid question, w and mushroomcloud have a lot in common

When you control, the Justice Dept., there is no justice stupid.

Geez.

By Van

November 12, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Dennis,

The question is, how much intrusion do you want/trust the government to have into your private life?

That is a good start. This is the main reason I will never vote for a democrat. I do not want the feds involved in my choice of health care, the way my grandkids attend school, telling me how or what I can or can’t do on my own land or whether or not I am allowed to do worship as I please.

All these are in the sights of the “progressive” movement. Thanks but no thanks, I like to live with and not be subject to the government.

By Redneck Convert

November 12, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Well, my buddy Jim Earl done come up with a water plan that takes care of the whole problem. He hooked up two barrels, one for hot water and the other for cold water, to a pump and some power. And that takes care of the bath problem for him and his fambly, if you like that kind of thing. Me, oncet a month is plenty. Soon as the water goes down the shower drain, it goes right back into one of the barrels and gets used again the next time. Course, Jim Earl says the water gets kind of sudsy and brown after awhile, but it sure saves a bunch of water.

Not that Jim Earl is against Sonny’s GA Water Plan. He says they pray real hard for rain when they step into the shower. Like they should.

Leave it to a good old redneck to take care of problems like this. For instance, other states got all worried about education and started pumping money into the schools. Not us. We decided Punishment was the best way to fix the problem, so if the teachers don’t do the job good, we start taking money away from them to teach with. They’ll begin to teach better when they are broke and don’t have even a crayon to write with.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

That is bs van.

Progressives do not want this

You should google what progressives really want before you spew that idiotic crap.

By Van

November 12, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Dennis,

Re: They telecom spying on Americans prior to 9/11 (as one small example) wasn’t because you’re a good citizen who is trusted by your government.

Like all lefties, this does not happen.

If a call originates in certain countries and goes through or terminates in the US, those international phone calls might be intercepted.

Of the 40-50 million international phone calls a day that touch US equipment, are you really worried that Abdul’s call to you will be logged somewhere in the bowels of NSA, CIA or some other alphabet agency?

By van's a nose picker

November 12, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Van, when JW’s voter education program kicks off will you please be the first one to sign up?

By getalife

November 12, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

van hates freedom.

This is the gop position.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

By Van November 12, 2007 11:57 AM Dennis, “Of the 40-50 million international phone calls a day that touch US equipment, are you really worried that Abdul’s call to you will be logged somewhere in the bowels of NSA, CIA or some other alphabet agency?”

Apparently, Van, you’re not keeping up.

11.07.07 — 9:15AM // link

Today’s Must Read Meet Mark Klein, the retired AT&T tech who first disclosed that the company was allowing the NSA to capture untold millions of phone and e-mail communications.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004656.php#more

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Dear Glenn @ 8:59, I may recall the case you mention, but off the top of my head I cannot remember the resolution. Seem like the question was an environmental law that prohibited new development on a beach due to erosion purportedly due to loss of marsh grasses. The homeowner lost his house in a hurricane and wanted to rebuild. The law was enacted after he purchased the property, but before his catastrophic loss. The homeowner argued that the new building restriction was a 5th Amendment “taking” (so-called after the final clause of the US Const. 5th – I know you have a Con Law background, so this aspect of the note is for benefit of other readers) without just compensation. Seems like the court leaned left, saying the government can take whatever it wishes whenever it wishes without payment for the taking, but I do not remember that as fact; maybe our friend Southern can help? Alternatively, I may be able to look later today.

By Van

November 12, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I did and what they want scares me.

Progressive Caucus What the high sounding dribble sounds like.

By Progressive = Marxist

November 12, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Hahaha! Flags fall while Hillary is exiting stage right. Is that an omen or what? I’ll bet her goons are already trying to blame a vast, right wing conspiracy on it. Busted for planted questions and now this.

Anyway, look at all the hate from the disgusting left above. Those j******* have the guts to talk about “freedom” when they don’t want school choice, don’t want socialist security privatization choice, don’t want people to keep more of their income, question the validity of the Second Amendment, and want the government to control everything including our health. Freedom? Hell NO. Try Marxism and socialism. Pis-s off, RATS.

By JK

November 12, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife, it’s not fair to say that the gop position is to hate freedom. After all, they support freedom for multi-national corporations to do whatever they want in the holy name of profit (amen), including moving the jobs of entire communities to other countries, polluting the environment, refusing to pay claims, misrepresenting loans, squeezing out the entreprenureal spirit of the small business owner via tax-subsidized over development and cheap, toxic, made-in-china merchandise, cooking the books, taking peacful public beaches from average people by turning them into exclusionary profit machines, and moving their headquarters to Dubai to avoid not only their American tax responsibilities, but the long arm of those who might audit them as well. FREEDOM RINGS in the gop! You know… if you have the money to finance their campaigns, that is. Individuals, on the other hand, need to get over this silly idea of self-determination. Not gonna happen!

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

I still can’t get over you people putting up with Wooten’s entertaining that teacher’s (principal’s) proposal for compulsory voter education and copulsory “retirement preparation” classes for state workers. Like I say, what next? Compulsory parenting classes for Britney?

By Van

November 12, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Regarding todays topic, I - wait a minute, the lefties are all over the place and got off topic quick.

Glad they didn’t disappoint me.

Should the government be in the insurance or assurance business? NO!

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Dear Glenn @ 8:59, as usual, I got the facts wrong and the court resolution right. Lucas v South Carolina Coastal Council, 1992. Undeveloped lots, subsequent prohibition; court ruled, “no taking.” I am with Epstein.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Yes Van,

They love freedom and you hate it.

They want peace but you want WWIII and a draft because you scared.

Great point JK.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

as usual, I got the facts wrong

We are use to it.

Geez.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

jbm, I think I remember now, and it was, as you say, a “taking” case revolving around due process. Off point for this discussion, I suppose. But thanks.

Or, on second thought, perhaps imminent domain doctrine is on point. Whaddya think?

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

No taking, eh? Well it serves the coastal South Carolinians right, because those old Loyalists were on the wrong side of the war fought largely to end the unjust governmental appropriation of property. What standing, then, do they have to complain when freedom from such predations is p1$$ed away by rubes in robes?

By jm

November 12, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

well, I wonder how Mr. Wooten views property that becomes “high risk” over time. I have a good friend who had the property his house on designated a flood plain. He had been there for several years. Over that time, the area around him was “developed”. What the development did was remove most of the trees and reshape the land so now when it rains heavily, his house is now prone to flooding.

Are you suggesting he now be forced to move?

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

By Van November 12, 2007 12:31 PM Regarding todays topic, I - wait a minute, the lefties are all over the place and got off topic quick. Glad they didn’t disappoint me. Should the government be in the insurance or assurance business? NO!”

Then you object to the ten million dollars our Republican governor wants as incentive for those good ole boys who want to build a bunch of expensive condos on Jekyll plus price the ordinary family out of affordable motel rooms to visit the island?

Apparently, Van, you’re not keeping up. Today’s Must Read Meet Mark Klein, the retired AT&T tech who first disclosed that the company was allowing the NSA to capture untold millions of phone and e-mail communications.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004656.php#more

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Van

November 12, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

JK and getalife -

Hmm, we hate freedom. Odd, it is the right wingers that allow you nut jobs a forum to regurgitate your dribble.

When the lefties finally get something right, I will then applaud your movement.

Like the state motto of New Hampshire, “Live Free or Die” - yes, freedom, does the left even have any idea of what freedom is?

By GayGreyGeek

November 12, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Van @ 1:45

As oppposed to what you obviously hold tru, right wingers do not “allow” anyone to speak under the US Constitution. Unless, of course, you’re claiming that the freedoms listed therein are only for “your people” and no one else?

By Van

November 12, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

GayGreyGeek ,

It was the radical right wingers, back in the 18th century that wrote that into the first amendment to our Constitution.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Yes van,

We still have the freedom to voice our opinions here.

Deal with it, freedom hater.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Ogawd, GGG. Why did you have to go and put it that way? jbm, are willing to untangle that one? If not, I won’t blame you.

By Van

November 12, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

GayGreyGeek,

We have never heard of lefties having trouble when they hold a public speaking event. But ask Horowitz or Coulter what it is like when you are not allowed to speak.

I guess it is okay for the lefties to shutdown right wing speakers. One set of rules for the lefties and a different set for the conservatives.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Come on, Van. Don’t pull punches! You know very well that the list of conservative speakers stifled by lefties on the campuses in just the past, say, five years is as long as GGG’s…arm.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

By Van November 12, 2007 1:45 PM it is the right wingers that allow you nut jobs a forum to regurgitate your dribble.

You’re one to talk about regurgitating dribble, that’s all a right winger can do…does the left even have any idea of what freedom is?”

Below is a link to right wing thinking. I can see you falling into line already.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004686.php

You gonna dodge this just like you’ve dodged some of my other posts to you above?

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Glenn

November 12, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

GGG, contrary to what you claim, there is nothing that anyone but a government official could do to censor this forum, of which Jim and the AJC are co-hosts. Nothing.

Like I said, ya gotta love this place.

By GayGreyGeek

November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Glenn @ 2:12, you miss my point.

Van claimed that he “allowed” non-right-wingnuts to post here. I was pointing out how full of caca-del-toro he is, as usual.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

I will argue that those who allow the gop to steal freedoms in this country are failed Americans and cowards.

Today, we honor those who fought and died for our freedoms and these falied American cowards happily give them away because they are scared.

obl’s attack is mission accomplished because he knew these cowards would fold our freedoms to his one attack.

I will continue to honor those who died for our freedom, to call out the cowards who give our freedom away to a broken government that can’t be trusted.

By g-g-glenda

November 12, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Y-y-yeah! V-v-van is full of k-k-kaka del t-t-toro!

By Second Story Man

November 12, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Great post, Getalife! This isn’t the first time that your insights have nailed a topic. I recommend your comment for the blog of the day award. (two fishes)

Anyone notice how well Jim Wooten is writing lately? He’s much more concise and efficient with words. He has lost some of the down home southern flavor that attracted me to him, but the issues of the day are so important, that I think communication is better served with cogent brevity.

Bravo, jim. You continue to surprise and delight. Georgians are well served by journalists such as yourself.

By Progressive = Marxist

November 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

This is getting great. First, The Smartest Woman In The World won’t authorize the release of her health care proposal records and lies about it:

“Now, all of the records, as far as I know, about what we did with healthcare, those are already available,” Clinton said at a Democratic debate last month.

But a big part of that history is being concealed. Hundreds of pages of memos and correspondence involving the health care plan of the early 1990s have been withheld, leaving a gap in a historic period when Clinton undertook one of the most ambitious domestic policy forays ever attempted.

More:

Some of the records kept from public view are memos from the early 1990s that White House aides wrote to Clinton about members of Congress, some of whom are still serving.

Gee, you think they were stalking her detractors like the typical whacked out left does to Conservatives and trying to shut them up? Nutcases. Every last one of them. If Republicans were hiding records like that, the RATS would be crapping cement and slinging it from their cages - as well as the RAT media DEMANDING release of said records.

But the fun doesn’t stop there. Along comes Billpeck Clinton to claim that the reason HILLARYCARE failed was because it was his fault and there just wasn’t “enough money” because of tax cuts. Please. How freaking stupid does The Peck think people are? Well when you look at their constituency, that’s really a dumb question. Oh it’s going to be a great political campaign year. Stupidity of the Clinton Sheep and all.

As a final note, how many idiots actually believe that the reason Hillary won’t authorize the release of said records is because she can’t do anything about it as it’s the government controlling the release decisions? How ironic. And pathetic. To think there are actually idiots who want these kinds of shenanigans back in the White House.

By Dennis

November 12, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Van, how much more right wing propaganda are you going to cave in to? Come on, check out the stuff I posted above, and also try this.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/node/3692/print

SAVE JEKYLL ISLAND FROM MONEY GRUBBERS !!!

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Nobody should make a comment on This Day about our soldiers and referencing cowards, especially if anyone supports a political party that calls our troops murderers, Nazis, and has supporters out in the Bay area who want us to entirely do away with our military and other troop-hating references while our troops are still fighting on the ground overseas.

By getalife

November 12, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

right private,

Just admit you hate freedom because you are scared and a sniveling coward.

Nevermind, we already know.

By chris broe

November 12, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

My dad (my hero) fought in three wars. He was a pilot in WW2. He flew a P-47. He was a pilot in Korea. He flew the F-86. He was a pilot in Vietnam. He flew old C-47s. He’s 85 now, and lately he’s been telling me about his experiences as a combat pilot in war. I’m the luckiest man in the world to have such a father. His stories explain God and Country to me. My mother is also opening up to me about her experiences in Detroit during WW2, and how she met my father shortly after the war. They are living history. Their story is all of our stories for the last eighty years. I have remarkable photographs of my dad and his wonderful aircraft taken during these wars. He was more dashing than Errol Flynn….and still is!

What Veterans Day tells me is that it doesn’t matter why you end up in combat, it only matters that you give 100% when you’re in it. My dad didn’t agree with everything Roosevelt, Truman, Ike, or Nixon said or did, but he put his fanny on the line for freedom when his country asked him so many times over and over.

That’s what makes him my hero. It really is about country. Country.

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

See how brilliant libs are? The pantywastes can’t even address a blog post without parroting the same sh-it over and over: “You are full of hate.” You hate _.” “You are a Nazi.”

Go ahead getalife, finish up your brilliance of liberalism by calling me a Nazi. You can do it. I’ve got faith in you, donkey dung.

Don’t let us down now, you miserable leftist cretin and failure of America.

By Simple Question

November 12, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

A lot has been said on this blog about ‘freedom’. Specifically, how so-called cons hate freedom. Now I’d like to know something. Exactly what can I not do now that I could do a decade ago in 1997 when a Democrat was in the White House under a Republican Congress? Post 9/11 laws like not being able to visit an airport concourse without a ticket is not an answer. So let’s hear it people. Enough talk. Put up or shut up.

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Dear Chris @ 5:12, congratulations on growing up with such a great role model. Courage is putting one’s life on the line for the sake of unknown others. I have never done that - mere talkers never do. Your pride is well placed, and you dad is a true patriot.

By ray

November 12, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

great comedy today watching the republicans, soaked in our soldiers blood, point fingers at the dems. discretion and valor anyone??? when’s the next bin laden movie due out, anyway? heard bush and cheney are mentioned in the credits…

By getalife

November 12, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

private,

You are a good little german but the nazis actually fought for their leader.

Coward.

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Once again, the Urinal Constipation shows why it’s a toilet bowl newsrag.

This time, it’s an old retread story about Max Cleland and an alleged “questioning of his patriotism.” This is how sick, twisted, and backward (not forward) the liberal mind works. If you disagree with someone, you are doing one of these these:

1) Espousing hate

2) Questioning their patriotism

3) Taking away their freedoms

For the record, the question was about Cleland’s stance on Iraq and had absolutely nothing to do with his patriotism. So typical. That’s how the left works - attempt to bring out “hate speech” or “questioning patriotism” on the opponent when simple stances on issues are what’s being questioned. Big damned babies. GROW UP!

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Dear Ray @ 5:27, what a great idea for a movie! Dick Cheney and Karl Rove as insane slashers, who kill humble democrats as the latter go about their daily business (taxing, spending, doping, womanizing, etc.) At the end the world cheers, right?

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Dear Captain @ 5:35, sharp commentary. In case anyone has not had the privilege, the “unpatriotic” commercial is found on youtube @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKFYpd0q9nE. I respectfully suggest there is no questioning of his patriotism, but Saxbe certainly does question Max’s veracity. Reasonably well documented, however.

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Note to self: gotafart is too much of a lazy sack of emotional liberal sht to address what’s posted. Hey sht brains: nazis were government socialists and hated Israel just like your pathetic ilk on the left. That’s not my fault.

Anyway, what are the odds that the Algorebot global warming scaremongers have seen this chart?

By jbmlaw

November 12, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Dear Ray @ 9:35, never mind, too much like Team America. Now that was a movie.

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, the movie Team America got my attention solely based upon that idiot liberal punk Sean Penn raising hell over it and how he was portrayed. All libs have to do is start bichin’ about something, and I’m all over it.

Regarding Cleland, liberals don’t ever let facts get in the way of a debate. Why after all, if emotions didn’t run liberals, liberals wouldn’t be so emotional about everything while simultaneously being devoid of facts and reality. True Lies, if you will.

By ray

November 12, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw: how bout FOUR MORE YEARS starring rudi giuliani? heard it’s a real hoot – a great comedy…it’s about a republican who is pro-abortion, cross-dresses, and has family tree that looks like a telephone pole! ha! heard anything about it, jbmlaw? Sadly, it probably won’t make it to the theater…

By Captain Jack

November 12, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Simple Question @ 5:24 - good luck with that question. The true cowards are those who can’t even address a question on a blog and just mouth off liberal paraphrases and other left wing talking stool samples of supposed “thought.” Oh yeah, and don’t forget the ubiquitous commentary such as “well you need to fight for the war you support” while said liberal stool samples sit back and let other people’s wallets do their socialist warmongering. What a hypocritically disgusting group of so-called Americans. Worthless people.