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DEL.ICIO.USVote — with proper ID
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
With elections tomorrow, Georgia’s photo ID requirement has resurfaced — as, indeed, it might until Democrats reclaim all power under the Gold Dome . The questions are about whether blacks in rural areas might represent a disproportionately high number of those without proper ID.
Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel takes great exception to AJC analysis that, she wrote in an opinion piece today, provided “blatantly misleading information that was clearly meant to scare voters and lead them to believe that their votes in Tuesday’s election may be dismissed without cause.”
She pointed out, yet again, that voters without proper ID can cast a provisional ballot, can vote absentee without photo ID and can, in any event, get free and proper ID at their county’s voter registrar’s office and at driver’s license offices. And, too, she noted, dozens of local elections have already been held with the ID requirement without problems.
On Voter ID, I’m in Handel’s corner.It always amazes me how much effort critics will expend protesting a reasonable effort to improve the integrity of the voting process — but never lift a finger to serve the population allegedly at risk. If there’s been any effort at all by those who complain to, say, run a car pool once a month to obtain the free IDs, it’s not been reported in anything I’ve read.
Yes, a photo ID requirement is a “barrier.” But so, too, is the requirement that voters be 18 or older, that they come to a designated place on a certain day to cast ballots, that they inconvenience themselves to vote absentee, that they not be felons, and that they verify eligibility. All are reasonable and all are legal.
To commentators, partisans and critics across Georgia, the time has come: Give it a rest. Move on. Photo ID is constitutional.
Comments
By Craig
November 5, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
I’m not sure what I think on this issue. And of course, as a good conservative, I can’t think for myself. I can only parrot what my Dear Leader has told me. So I guess I will wait for THE Captain and Redneck Convert to give me some instruction.
By Redneck Convert
November 5, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl was talking about how things is going in Pakistan, and we come up with a idea. How about My President declaring a state of emergency in this country and suspending the constitution and cancelling the elections next year? All the constitution does right now is get in the way anyway and we have to figure ways around it to save this country from traders and Terrists.
It don’t take a genius to figure out us godly Republicans ain’t too popular right now, and if things keep going the way they are we are liable to have a godless librul as president and a woman to boot next year. No matter how hard we try to persuade people that we are doing a good job, they just won’t listen. We need a few more years to get the war over with and let the tax cuts work and trickle down to the low income folk.
So if My President says there is a state of emergency, we don’t have to hold a election. We can just get the FBI and the police to round up all the libruls and fire the activist judges and have a while to get popular again. Like the president of Pakistan done. I figure we can ship the most worst of them off to that place in Cuba. I would be mighty pleased to see that weasel getalife buck nekkid and strapped down on a board and getting waterboarded with maybe some electric wires hooked to his Private Parts. After a couple years these traders will be breaking down the doors to get into the polls to vote for us.
Anyway, this photo ID stuff don’t have nothing to do with me. I vote absentee for the missus and me up here in Forsyth County. They don’t check your ID or nothing when you do that. On election day I still drive up to Rome where I use to live and vote in person there. They still carry me on the voting rolls there and I have a cousin that picks up the mail sent to my old address just to make sure people don’t pull no funny business and try to get me off of the rolls. I get my drivers liscence renewed up there and give them my old address.
In GA, you got to out-vote the libruls to make sure the state stays in conservative hands. So vote twicet everybody and vote absentee if you can’t prove who you are. And I figure if the photo ID law keeps even one of Those People from voting, it will be worth the effort.
By jbmlaw
November 5, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. This is one of the few issues where I would agree with President Carter, who has written and spoken often on the need for integrity in the ballot process. I favor a photo id obligation to vote. Obviously this is a hot issue right now, based on the democrat debate last week, as this was the issue that caused Ms. Clinton such ambivalent consternation. Gov. Spitzer’s plan to allow our undocumented friends to seek driver’s licenses, in New York, also means registration to vote if one merely affirms eligibility. If polls can be believed, that plan is opposed by 72% of the population in one of the bluest states; that suggests to me that some of our leftist friends may also have some qualms about a potential for voter fraud. I perceive “voter fraud” is an issue rising in interest within the population.
Rule of jbmlaw: as I favor open borders generally, I would also favor allowing all to apply for citizenship five years after registration with the government, and the application would be tantamount to granting citizenship (pending only a review of criminal records.) I would wish to see our undocumented friends voting, and otherwise exercising all behaviors of good citizenship.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
When Diebold machines are voters, voters should be Diebold machines.
By Mid-South Philosopher
November 5, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
Inasmuch as the state is required to provide (at public expense) a legal photo ID for those people who do not drive an automobile or otherwise possess one of the legislated acceptable documents, and inasmuch as exercising the franchise should require some exertion of energy or effort beyond the marking an absentee ballot, and inasmuch as the provisional ballot is available for those who are qualified but may have left their ID at Bubba’s party the night before,I concur with your appraisal that legislation requiring the presentation of such a document before voting is constitutional.
Now, if we could just get these geniuses in the General Assembly to deal with other issues as deliberately and punctually as they did with this one.
Incidentally, all you folks voting tomorrow…you can bet your sweet bippie that by this time next year (by hook or crook, by legislative action, or backdoor shannanigans like property reappraisals) you will being paying higher taxes!
My advice…Don’t re-elect anybody!
By Anonymous
November 5, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
Ahh yes, the huge—yet somehow, invisible—problem of voter fraud! Surely a gigantic crisis threatening our electoral process, with thousands of reported cases in Georgia alone every single November.
Oh, wait—none of that’s actually happened.
Meanwhile, those crowing about the “integrity of the voting process” are interestingly silent when it comes to voting machines owned by partisan private concerns that provide no code review or paper trail. Why, it’s almost like they’re hypocrites or something…..
By JohnD
November 5, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
Did not take the looney left very long to bring out the “H” word. Perhaps the loons should know the definition of hypocrit before using in every debate here.
Mid-South has the proper answer to most political debate - Re-elect Nobody.
By Jack
November 5, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
How am I going to be able to vote 10 times for the democrat of my choice?
By Jeff
November 5, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
Anonymous:
Better to prevent voter fraud that doesn’t exist than to allow those who are ineligible to vote to COMMIT voter fraud.
As the judge in Rome originally said, those who claim “disenfranchisement” had literally been searching for a SINGLE case of such for multiple years in a state with a population in excess of 5 MILLION people and could not find that SINGLE case.
The plan, in plain english, does NOT cause disenfranchisement, PERIOD.
By Voting Once, Voting Twice....
November 5, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
Jack, not sure how you can vote ten tims for the Democrat of your choice, but check with your local Republican Party since they probably have a great deal of experience in rigging elections. Hope this helps!
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
JohnD, OK, what is “the definition of hypocrit”?
By Jack
November 5, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
No problem. I’ll just go to Chamblee or Doraville and get 10 fake photo id’s from our friends in the Hispanic community.
By Mungo
November 5, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
Jeff, the population of Georgia is about twice what you think it is. And, the main problem of voter fraud in Georgia is paying legitimately registered voters to cast absentee ballots for the paying candidate.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
The problem with this whole issue is that it doesn’t go far enough. The real voter fraud takes place in absentee voting, where unscrupulous characters who are given “walking around money”, entice voters to fill in the absentee ballot in front of them, seal it and mail it and then pay the voter.
ID should be required for ALL voting. Period. What is it that liberals are worried about? Maybe that all the felons may not get to vote this year? Or maybe that those folks who vote in 2 districts may be banned from doing so? Besides, it isn’t as if voter fraud doesn’t exist as liberals would have you believe. From 1996-99 we averaged 96 prosecutions for voter fraud per year here in Georgia. That is the number of cases PROSECUTED. How many hundreds or even thousands made it through because no ID was required? We don’t know because NO ID WAS REQUIRED!?!?
The only “agenda” as I see it is to see that our elections are LEGAL, and as free from fraud as we can make them.
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
THE Captain is sanguine about the plague of voter fraud perpetrated by the Islamunist traitor liberals. While the demon libs’ America-hating efforts to steal our government and turn it over to the One Worlders of the UN is proof positive of their Satanic intent, in the end, their efforts shall come to naught, as seed dropped upon rocky soil.
Given that most of the election machinery in Our Nation is controlled by True Believers (with special Captain Kudos to Cruella Harris of Florida and Ken “Step’n’fetch” of Ohio, not to mention Fat Tony and the Supremes), it hardly matters whether the bedwetter liberals “win” the election via fraud or fairly and squarely. We of True Belief know what is best for Our Nation, and will take the necessary steps to ensure that the Right Person is named to the position in question.
Failing that, we can always implement the Musharraf option.
So, THE Captain says let the liberalesbian party have their way on this question. In the end, we’ll always be Right.
By Curious Observer
November 5, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Mungo nailed it. The problem isn’t with requiring voters to show photo ID at the polls. Rather, the problem is with the loose procedures for absentee voting. I imagine most absentee voters are Republicans. Perhaps that’s why the legislature chose to leave regulations for absentee voting untouched. A politician trying to buy a vote can’t guarantee that a voter actually goes into a booth and votes the way the politican wants. But that politician can view the actual absentee ballot before it’s mailed.
It’s the mean and perverse spirit, rather than the actual effect, of the photo ID law that creates the opposition. The legislature addressed a problem that doesn’t exist, while ignoring the one that needs to be addressed.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
I’m with Mid-South and JohnD on Re-elect Nobody. In fact, I think we should form a Re-elect Nobody Party and run a lineup of newcomers every time. It would be an overnight hit! We could get Jim Wooten to write some Off-Madison slogans for us. In the meantime, could start with something like:
Send ‘em packin’ in a crate
Elect a clean slate!
By Voting Once, Voting Twice...
November 5, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Jack, I love how you and a few others on here refer to people you don’t like as “our friends” on the left or “our friends” in the hispanic community. It’s really condescending and doesn’t mask your views. But for the record, while I’m generally opposed to the right wingers on here, you guys have a point about voter ID. Everyone should be required to prove who they are if they want to cast a ballot. There’s no excuse for not being able to get some form of identification.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this
There it is:
It’s the mean and perverse spirit, rather than the actual effect,
It’s just those mean old Republicans pickin’ on the poor people again. How stupid is that? There is nothing mean about requiring voters to prove that they are who they say they are. I have to give a copy of my driver’s license when I check in at the Doctor’s office to prevent INSURANCE fraud for pete’s sake. I even had to give my license to the clerk at Sam’s Club to get a refund on recalled beef. Shouldn’t we demand the same protection for OUR ELECTIONS?
Oh that’s right, the liberals don’t want HONEST elections because they generally LOSE THEM.
By anonymous
November 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
Chuck, that’s rich. Democrats generally lose elections? What an idiotic statement. As you may - or may not - know, the US Congress has a majority of Democrats as do many state legislatures around the country. Oh, and then there are all of the Democratic governors. Your ridiculous statement only shows that you have a myopic view of the world.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
Listen, we’re not supposed to mention Latinos here. Jim didn’t. Besides, what would they have to do with the voter ID issue anyway? No, this issue comes up because of “blacks in rural areas”. See? Nothing to do with Latinos.
By jm
November 5, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
just use an absentee ballot, no id required.
By jbmlaw
November 5, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Dear VOVT @ 9:58, you disparage my effort to urge gentility on this blog in addressing others. Certainly an absence of epithet is inconsistent with the language of the left, and your preference and tendencies are noted; I perceive you will laud my friend TFTT for his honesty?
Dear Glenn @ 10:08, I respectfully disagree. I think the Latino-voting issue is at the core of the Hillary/Spitzer drivers license kerfuffle. Of course, I favor mainstreaming our Latino friends (take that, VOVT).
By VOVT
November 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw you’re right. fake sincerity is always better than outright rudness. and i have no patience for our friend tftt, just pity for his mental illness. btw, what is a kerfuffle?
By chuck
November 5, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Anonymous, you proved once again your serious inability to grasp the subtleties of the English language. I clearly said:
the liberals don’t want HONEST elections because they generally LOSE THEM.
By Camus
November 5, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
Rule of jbmlaw: as I favor open borders generally, I would also favor allowing all to apply for citizenship five years after registration with the government, and the application would be tantamount to granting citizenship (pending only a review of criminal records.) I would wish to see our undocumented friends voting, and otherwise exercising all behaviors of good citizenship.
jbmlaw hits a home run. Well done, sir. We are in full agreement on this. Perhaps Hades is freezing over at this very moment?
By anonymous
November 5, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Chuck, I understood your subtle nuance but still think your argument is without merit. What is your basis for saying that Democrats can’t win honest elections? Are you saying that all of the elected Democrats nationwide were elected via duplicitous means? If so, then we have some serious voter fraud going on that reaches far beyond the issue of voter identification.
By Shark Sammich
November 5, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
anon gave us:
What is your basis for saying that Democrats can’t win honest elections?
Because that’s what his masters tell him to say.
Has anyone participating in this thread even a passing acquaintance with the US Justice Department scandal? Somehow I doubt it.
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Let’s see this morning. RedNeck and Captain, who have short attention spans, are trying to place our sights on Pakistan. They have direct interests there. That is, trying to blame or interpose Paki problems as Bush problems, sort of a lost liberal lemming kind of thing.
Yes indeed, a day without Bush bashing is like a day without sunshine to Red & Cappie.
Keep at it, boys. Your repetitious repertoires are getting a bit stale but keep trying. You’re always good for one or two conservative chuckles at your liberal litanies.
By Dennis
November 5, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
By Glenn November 5, 2007 9:50 AM | “I’m with Mid-South and JohnD on Re-elect Nobody. In fact, I think we should form a Re-elect Nobody Party…”
Like the late Molly Ivins said, “[we ought to all be out in the steets beating on pots and pans].”
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
p.s. Just for the record, I don’t beat pots and pans, but I am out on the street, sometimes alone.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this
Honesty is NOT just about voter fraud, it is also about defrauding the VOTERS. The democrats along with their minions in the media, successfully convinced the GULLIBLE that President Bush is “evil” and that we had LOST the war in Iraq. Both of these assertions are PATENTLY FALSE. That along with the tendency toward voter fraud (See Chicago, et al) makes for DISHONEST ELECTIONS.
Using the above criteria, yes the democrats cannot win an HONEST election. When the American people focus on what the democrats stand for rather than the lies, Republicans win the majority of the elections.
By Shark Sammich
November 5, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Chuck gave us:
Using the above criteria, yes the democrats cannot win an HONEST election.
Using the “above criteria,” we all get ponies and live in Candy-Land.
Face facts. You lost in 2006. Ever bother to scan the national popular vote results? You should. 52% to 44%, baybee!
And with >70% thinking this Administration is terrible, it ain’t looking so good for ‘08 either. About all you can hope for is another Terra Tack that you can somehow manage to blame on Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Good luck with that.
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
THE Captain wishes to point out to the deranged and reading challenged Sister Dusty that He said not one word about Our Leader in His earlier post, and the reference to Pakistan was merely a passing nod to the highly effective domestic policy of one of Our Nation’s stalwart allies in the Permanent Global War on Terror.
But since you asked (and you did, you see)…THE Captain does not view the current situation in Pakistan as “a problem” at all, and certainly not for Our Leader. Rather, the Paki Pervez posits a positive palliative to the persistent problem of polling place perfidy by pounding the pinko pleaders publicly.
THE Captain is proud of our Swarthy Friend and his hyper-efficient corrective to the probelm of judicial activism and so-called “democracy” run amok. Even in our home state of Georgia, this approach could be used to fine purpose right away. If Gov. Sonny would only have the lawyers working to free that bloodthirsty Mandingo Brian Nichols rounded up and subjected to the sorts of public beatings being meted out by Pakistan’s finest, we would have that boy out of jail and dangling from the nearest tree in no time flat.
Now THAT is the American way.
By Not-new ways to say nothing at all
November 5, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
…the democrats cannot win an HONEST election.
YAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNN!
By chuck
November 5, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Has anyone participating in this thread even a passing acquaintance with the US Justice Department scandal?
Would that be Janet Reno and Waco, fish bit?
By deegee
November 5, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
If people knew how little interest that illegal aliens have in voting they would calm down about the whole drivers license issue. Illegal aliens want a drivers license just so that they can avoid paying thousands of dollars in fines and spending the night in jail for driving to and from work without a license. People that come into the US illegally are not the type of people that received a benefit from being a member of the voting society in their country of origin. That’s why they are here.
The drivers license is just that, a drivers license. It’s not the fault of the DMV that the federal government has made the drivers license the defacto national ID. If you want to vote you should show a voter registration card not a drivers license. If the US government wants everyone to have a national ID then grow the cajones to explain why it’s necessary and be done with it.
By getalife
November 5, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Wow, Jim supports Spitzer and other States giving drivers license to illegal immigrants.
Your ilk will attack you Jim.
Geez.
By Abby
November 5, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
Secretary of State Karen Handel is correct when she points out that we can vote absentee without ID. What she hides is the fact that the large majority of voter fraud takes place via absentee ballots. However, for some reason that remains unclear, Ms. Handel, our State legislature, and Governor Perdue do absolutely nothing to address this issue.
They feign outrage over a problem that doesn’t exist or is statistically insignificant (illegal immigrants voting with fake IDs at the polls) and ignore a problem that is pervasive (voter fraud via absentee ballots)—par for the course with these Republicans.
By Shark Sammich
November 5, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
up-chuck gave us:
Would that be Janet Reno and Waco, fish bit?
Awww. Did you cry when your hero, the Rev. Vern got hisseff all burnt up?
I laugh my arse off every time I watch one of you conservo-Fascists cry about the Waco suiciders.
But I digress. No, up-Chuck, the Justice. Department. Scandal.
Present tense. Do look it up and let us know what you’ve learned, ‘k pal?
By chuck
November 5, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
BTW fish bit…Congress’ approval rating was in SINGLE DIGITS at the end of last week. What does that say for YOUR party?
By anonymous
November 5, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
“When the American people focus on what the democrats stand for rather than the lies, Republicans win the majority of the elections.”
Actually, from my perspective the voters frequently vote against their own interests and values because they buy into the Republican noise machine. It’s all a matter of persepective Chuck.
By Clarity
November 5, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
If Janet Reno had been a good little AG, she would have waited until the killers of four federal agents holding an illegal cache of firepower, and subjecting children to ongoing rape inside the walls of their compound ran out of milk & captain crunch. The fire could NOT have been set by people crazy enough to follow some guy calling himself Jesus, giving their children to him for sex, and killing law enforcement officers! Right-thinking Americans know only democrats kill kids on purpose. (Asterisk)Little brown children in middle eastern countries are not included in this statistic, as the American Jesus does not recognize their right to live.
By jm
November 5, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
chuck@11:42 - can you actually show me a point in time where congress had a high approval rating?
By DebbieDoRight
November 5, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Perhaps with this new photo ID we can catch these liars and fraudulent voters like Anne Coulter (Federal Case No. 07-211) and have her put away for at least five years for her blantant disregard for the LAW!! (as you know, the law IS the law!!)
Why even Jim Wooten, who has NEVER commented publicly about Coulter’s voter fraud case (although, suprsingly, he had a lot to say about every one else’s), would agree that she attempted to deliberately cast an invalid vote for her repuglican candidate!!!
We must STOP these anti-government, flagrant abusers of the Constitution from committing voter fraud before they start!! Imagine!! ANNE COULTER the poster child for the conservative bigots and wastrels being caught in a VOTING FRAUD SCANDAL!! Thank GOD she had voter’s ID — why no one would’ve ever known it was her without it!!!
By JohnD
November 5, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Glenn@9:30
I am not a typist and thereofr unable to define a word that does not exist.
Are you happy?
By Lori
November 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Abby,
Republicans aren’t actually seeking to prevent voter fraud, as they claim. If they were, then they would have addressed the absentee ballot issue.
In truth, Perdue, Handel and friends want to keep people without cars away from the polls (i.e. the poor, the disabled, and the elderly). These Republicans don’t like the fact that most of these citizens usually vote for the other guy, so they create obstacles to keep them out of the voting booth.
How anybody can support such crooks is beyond me.
By Jack
November 5, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
Voting Once, Voting Twice. Don’t really care at all what you think. You voice your opinion and I’ll post mine.
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Captain Freedom at 11:11
Talk about a one track mind…poor lil’ capppie. Still pushing Pakistan and beatings and jailings as the good old “American way”.
All that from OUR AMERICAN PATRIOT Captain Freedom.
Down, boy!! We are “on” to your backdoor barkings and undercover urges.
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
THE Captain can spot a fake conservative from a mile away, even those that do not have Sister Dusty’s tell-tale lack of reading ability.
Clarity is clearly a namby-pamby liberal pantywaist in that it recommended such nonsense as a blockade of the Waco compound, rather than a shock and awe style frontal assault and aerial bombing. Typical Islamocoddleliberoil.
Despite its attempt to cover its tracks with the Biblically correct statement “Little brown children in middle eastern countries are not included in this statistic, as the American Jesus does not recognize their right to live.” While this is irrefutable Scripturally (“Suffer the white children to come unto me.” - John, 36-24-36), THE Captain suspects that the falsely-named Clarity wishes to muddy the waters in an attempt to gin up its Right Thinking bona fides.
This is of a piece with Sister Dusty’s pathetic attempts to make Real American True Believers appear to be mindless squawk boxes programmed to repeat the RNC blast fax of the day. Sister Dusty should realize that nobody on the Wooten Board has ever mistaken her for a principled conservative.
The charade is up, Dusty. Have you no shame? At long last, have you no decency?
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
And NOW we come to the voting outrage of the century. Yes, sir, hold your breath!! Hold the presses!! Democrats have found ONE!! The country is saved from disaster and doom.
ANNE COULTER voted in the wrong place!!!
Not since the Titanic have we had such shocking news. BUT… the country WILL recover. Alleluia!! We will be SAVED!! Parade at Times Square tomorrow!!! Liberals found ONE!!!
By DebbieDoRight
November 5, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this
Karl Rove’s big election-fraud hoax
The evil genius at his best….
Republicans do cherish their little practical jokes — the leaflets in African-American neighborhoods warning that voters must pay outstanding traffic tickets before voting; the calls in Virginia in 2006 from the mythical “Virginia Election Commission” warning voters they would be arrested if they showed up at the polls. The best way to steal an election is the old-fashioned way: control who shows up. It’s widely known that Republicans do better when the turnout is lighter, whiter, older and richer; minorities, young people and the poor are easy game for hoaxes and intimidation.
The latest and most elaborate of these jokes is the urban legend that American elections are rife with voter fraud, particularly in the kinds of poor and minority neighborhoods inhabited by Democrats.
As the New York Times reported last month, the main result of this massive effort was such coups as the deportation of one legal immigrant who mistakenly filled out a voter-registration card while waiting in line at the department of motor vehicles.
But the administration has remained ferociously committed to suppressing voter fraud — as soon as it can find some.
One of the aims of the abortive purge of U.S. attorneys was to punish those who refused to toe the line on the new emphasis on alleged voter fraud.
But the assault on voter fraud was a solution looking for a problem. As part of the Help America Vote Act, Republicans insisted on creating the Election Assistance Commission, which commissioned studies of the asserted problem. When the studies failed to turn up evidence of fraud nationwide, appointed Republican officials on the EAC insisted that the language say only that “there is a great deal of debate on the pervasiveness of fraud in elections” — the same approach to inconvenient evidence that’s made the Bush global-warming policy the envy of the world.
The legend of massive voter fraud forms the backdrop to enactment of harsh voter-ID laws. As previously recounted in Salon, a state voter-ID law in Missouri nearly prevented the Democrats from retaking the U.S. Senate — a prime example of how the voter fraud narrative was used to sell a law intended to keep Democrats from the polls.
In November 2000, Missouri Republican John Ashcroft lost his Senate seat in a close election in which the votes of African-Americans from St. Louis were crucial. Ashcroft’s next job was U.S. attorney general. The Department of Justice and Missouri’s two U.S. attorneys soon undertook multiple voter fraud investigations. They probed the 2000 election, the 2001 mayoral primary in St. Louis, and the 2004 election, convicting a total of four people. The resulting specter of fraud was used to float a voter-ID law in the Republican-dominated state Legislature, which was finally passed in May 2006.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/10/voting_rights/
By DebbieDoRight
November 5, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Dusty — you so LOVE to quote your infamous words that “the law is the LAW”. Anne not only VOTED in the wrong place, she also FILLED OUT the wrong address.
She wrote down an Indian Road address instead of [her correct address] on her voter’s registration application. And she signed to certify the information as true…. Florida statutes make it a third-degree felony to vote knowingly in the wrong precinct. Lying on a voter’s registration can cost up to $5,000 and five years behind bars
What’s gravy for the goose…..
By DebbieDoRight
November 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Allegations of voter fraud often prove to be inflated or inaccurate, but are nevertheless used to justify policies that could disenfranchise legitimate voters. The Brennan Center carefully examines allegations of fraud to get at the truth behind the claims.
To explore the subject of voter fraud allegations in greater detail, please visit the Brennan Center’s site on this issue: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org
By A.R.
November 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Lori and Abby are both right. The only way that I could ever consider supporting a Voter ID law would be if the State could show up at the doorstep of those who need a picture ID at the voter’s convenience (nights and weekends). Wooten’s suggestion that those who are against voter ID laws should take responsibility for overcoming the hurdles that it creates is silly.
It’s cruel to ask the working poor take time off from work without pay to stand in line to get an ID. It’s also cruel to require a shut-in or disabled person to go the extra mile for no legitimate reason (as was previously stated, voter fraud at the voting booth is, statistically speaking, nonexistent).
It’s bad enough that Republicans consistently fight to prevent holding elections on Saturdays (also to repress voter turnout among the working poor who can’t afford to take time off from work), but this Voter ID crap is more of the same from these clowns.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
young people and the poor are easy game for hoaxes and intimidation.
Why do you think they overwhelmingly vote for DEMOCRATS?
By Iron Mike
November 5, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
…not mention the Democrats’ efforts to not count military votes. But hey, nobody’s questioning your patriotism, ahem….
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000661
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
JohnD, no really. I didn’t mean to be that insufferably pedantic. Seriously, what does “hypocrisy” mean? I sensed that you were on to something, and want to hear more. Intended neither a trap nor a silly gotcha.
jbm, I was kidding about Latinos. Of course this issue has very much to do with them. So mine was some lame sarcasm about Jim’s not mentioning the obvious. They are the elephant, unless there are two elephants in which case they’re the other one so let’s say that there’s both an African elephant and an Indio elephant and both of them have donkeys on their backs and the other Elephant that makes three now is trying to get the monkey off their backs only it’s a donkey and not a monkey. Awright?
Sharky, I keep coming back to the flukey kismet of Lincoln’s winning the top spot with a plurality of only 38.8%. Don’t know why I’m stuck on this, but I am.
Dennis, that’s great, the sentiment from Molly Ivins, may her memory ever be a blessing. Bet Redneck’s old lady could help in the pots & pans dept.
BTW, I was wondering yesterday, where is Ms. Pelosi’s waterboard-ban bill? Couldn’t she politely ask counsel to speed the drafting? Wouldn’t they be willing to do that for her? Couldn’t she try to persuade the Speaker to place it on the Floor calendar, preferably somewhere near the top? Does she not have the juice?
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
Dusty’s blind defense of the delightful Ms Coulter is proof further of her false conservatism. While Ms Coulter is indeed a charming and witty performer, with lucious blond tresses and an Adam’s Apple to die for (not to mention her provocative man-hands), she is in fact a tool of the mainstream media, hired to portray a conservative in such a way as to make her appear buffoonish and even mildly intolerant.
Alas, Real Conservatives disavow Ms Coulter, despite her clever mouthing of the Conservatice doctrines we hold dear. So, while she is certainly more attractive than any liberalesbian, what with their unshaved body hair and such, she is really a diversion meant to keep the public’s attention occupied with ephemera. Hey look!!! Britney dropped her baby again and desecrated the Amercian flag at the same time!!
Sad Sister Dusty. Transparent as usual.
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
12:26
Absolutely!! Call out the posse comitatus-es!! I’m for the law.
THEY CAUGHT ONE!!!! See you at Times Square for the parade!! No white flags and protest signs please!!! This one is about voting!!
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Got one word fer y’all: biometrics.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
jm, the approval rating of congress TYPICALLY hovers around the 50% mark. It reached above that plateau twice since 1990. The first was in 1998 and the second was in 2002. Both of these occurred while Republicans held control.
By @@
November 5, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
If there’s been any effort at all by those who complain to, say, run a car pool once a month to obtain the free IDs, it’s not been reported in anything I’ve read.
Heaven forbid Jim…that would require the ability to solve problems, overcome obstacles, think ahead and we all know Democratic politicians are sorely lacking in that area.
When it comes to placing ^^^ those attributes onto African Americans, they’re good to go though.
How insulting is it to assume that African Americans aren’t able to solve their own problems, overcome their own obstacles, to think ahead and for themselves?
Only a liberal Democrat would feel so entitled and arrogant as to promote such garbage.
By @@
November 5, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
If there’s been any effort at all by those who complain to, say, run a car pool once a month to obtain the free IDs, it’s not been reported in anything I’ve read.
Heaven forbid Jim…that would require the ability to solve problems, overcome obstacles, think ahead and we all know Democratic politicians are sorely lacking in that area.
When it comes to placing ^^^ those attributes onto African Americans, they’re good to go though.
How insulting is it to assume that African Americans aren’t able to solve their own problems, overcome their own obstacles, to think ahead and for themselves?
Only a liberal Democrat would feel so entitled and arrogant to promote such garbage.
By Redneck Convert
November 5, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Well, I couldn’t hardly choke down my chicken weenies after I seen people blasting absentee voting. They won’t quit till people got to prove who they are to vote absentee and maybe do it in private, and then things will be ruint.
I always fill out the missus’s absentee ballot. That way I can be sure she ain’t cancelling my vote. But I couldn’t do it if they made her show photo ID. She got no drivers liscence or anything else to prove who she is.
So leave the absentee ballot alone. Its the only way we got to make sure good Republicans that are at home can vote the Right Way.
And leave Karen Handel alone. I seen her last year up at Countryland Golf Club and she got a nice swing.
By JB
November 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Somebody needs to inform Iron Mike that citizens, including those in the military, aren’t allowed to vote after the election is over.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Captain, what you are attempting so sarcastically to imply about Ms. Coulter, Esq., is pattently unfair, unkind and untrue.
She has lovely, feminine hands.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
How come Billy Carter’s challenged brother Jimmy never monitored a Pakistani election?
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Well, Glenn, one person’s man hands of delight are another person’s bony vice grip from Hell. Just ask Dusty’s poor husband. While can agree to disagree about Ms Coulter’s skeletal grasping appendages, can you please explain that Adam’s Apple? It is curiously prominent for a biological female human. I’m willing to accept a default on any of those counts as reasonable explanation.
THE Captain is strangely and uncomfortably perplexed, and may need to take a break from typing to explore these strange sensations.
By jm
November 5, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
chuck@12:42 - I would throw out 2002, since it was post 9/11 rally around the flag.
Usually, congress has a below (sometimes well below) 50% approval rating. However, when asked, most people approve of their representative (the power of pork). Which is why incumbents are almost always re-elected.
The true measure of congressional approval occurs every two years at the ballot box. 1994 (bounced checks and health care) and 2006 (Iraq) are prime examples of that.
People can crow all they want now but the true measure of congresional approval will be 2008.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran and use Syria's Iraqi WMD's to swiftly liquidate treasonous leftist vermin!
November 5, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
CRACKPIPE DEBBIETURD is back!!!
Glad U finally made bail crackpipe!! I guess your snouts in the racial trough spoils pimp took his time sullenly shuffling down to Fulton County!!
Beholding crackpipe’s unhinged embittered lesbian like hatred and corrosive envy of Ann Coulter is enormously amusing!!
I see also after a spell in remission Lance Korporal Syphilis is back to psychotically dominating its racist black hating yanKKKee alter ego inbred redneKKK turd. Neither of these long standing USAF targets are the vaguest bit funny/amusing/clever. Just a narcissistic ‘pair’ of utterly inadequate retarded ADD cyber vultures endlessly, anally circling over their putrid, puerile, pi ssant, peasantish tinyprick impersonations of an extra-chromosomed retarded obsessive coprophagic cut and run leftist!! Doubtless (judging from its endless implicitly homoerotic obsession with towel heads and camel jockeys) in its Syphilis ‘mode’ inbred was raped once too often by a bunch of arab teens looking to stick it to some sicko loner yanKKKee - regardless of the health/STD costs of their bathhouse game of Carry On Up The Khyber Pass (gedditt??)!!
Voter ID laws - the best thing to happen in GA since the VT child rapist slithered back up to VT!!
Convicted felons, multi-voting blacks, illegal (mexican type) leeches, and dead (sadly there’s never enough dead) demoNcrats etc need to be prevented from illegally voting if NOT entitled to.
Completely legal naturalised citizens (like yours truly) are of course perfectly entitled to vote GOP!!
By ron
November 5, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
My dictionary would not define the word hypocrit as written,but did say-see Republican.
By jm
November 5, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
chuck@12:42 - btw - the republican congress lost 5 seats to the democrats in the 1998 election.
By DebbieDoRight
November 5, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
The Captain does have a point. Anne (the Man Coulter), does look like she has an Adam’s Apple.
However, I think it looks prominenet because she’s a blood sucking vampire who is usually emaciated until she has her first meal.
Pssst: Rumor has it that Anne is a descendant of Elizabeth Bathory, hence the crazed feral look in her eyes and her penchant to torture and murder the truth for fun (and profit).
By @@ is a Racist
November 5, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
@@ at 12:42 and 12:43,
I know you Republicans like to implement the Southern Strategy whenever possible by dividing us by race, but FYI, most people directly affected by the Voter ID law are white.
Since we’re on the subject, it’s one thing to ask people to “overcome their own obstacles” (as you say), but it’s another thing to create additional obstacles specifically tailored to suppress the vote.
By deegee
November 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this
Fortunately permanent legal residents are becoming naturalized American citizens at a great rate, and they ain’t voting for Republicans. I can’t wait for 2008.
www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/us/05citizenship.html?ref=todayspaper
By getalife
November 5, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this
“Nuclear-armed Pakistan is teetering on the verge of chaos after the imposition of Emergency and US officials fear that the result could be every American’s nightmare — nuclear material or know-how, or even a nuclear bomb, falling into the hands of terrorists.
When you buy a dictator, what do you get? A dictator. How stupid do you have to be not to realize this?”
Um, dumb as w but it does get any dumber than dusty.
Geez.
By getalife
November 5, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
Leave it to the gop to want to occupy the wrong country again. Pakistan has nukes, obl and his gang, Iran does not.
Idiots.
What is the gop position on Pakistan? w gave a dictator $11 billion of your money.
Ron Paul is right. w’s foreign policy is a nightmare.
Geez.
By getalife
November 5, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
Flowery Branch gets water for only 3 hours a day.
What is the gop water plan Jim?
By MCD
November 5, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
Piggybacking on earlier posts, Voter ID laws are just one of many Republican approaches to suppressing the vote among the poor and the elderly:
These are just a few used over the course of the last decade. No doubt, they have more voter suppression schemes for us to look forward to.
By WMD
November 5, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
getaclue, Dusty is Socrates, Ben Franklin and Albert Einstein all rolled into one delicious package to hear some (one) on this blog tell it.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
MCD, in your case we’ll settle for an IQ test.
By Lily Toad
November 5, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this
It may be legal, but it is not REASONABLE to deny convicted felons who have served their time the right to vote. They have fulfilled their punishment by being in jail. There is no reason to deny them the rights of all citizens.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this
FReaking hilarious to see the Urinal and the NY Slimes and the rest of the vile far left pandering, illegal leech enabling, black crime epidemic ignoring hate America drive by media losing even more circulation. The worthless Urinal is down by just over 9%. If they actually printed stories that ordinary white folks gave a flying fook about and stopped their blatant shameless pandering to sullen racial spoils blacks and illegal mexican type leeches and the enedless lying/distorting in their appeasement first shameful war on towel head teror coverage the lefties might actually reverse their terminal decline.
Maybe if they completely changed the editorial board and appointed a die hard/hard news conservative as editor and actually became a patriotic paper then they could realistically expect the plummeting circulation to start to rise.
Noice to see some decent black folks noisily complaing outside the CEO of Viacom’s McMansion about the hippety hop knuckle dragging gang banging vermin in sexist/racist/demeaning videos on the odious racist BET and and trendy lefty cocaine sniffing wanker run MTV.
Nice to see that some ordinary decent black folks agree with me that sexist/racist black predators/hippety hop vermin need to be shunned and excoriated.
By getalife
November 5, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
WMD,
crusty the clown is a clown.
I challenged Jim to write about your water crisis but he continues to be a gop hack.
You folks should get your government to start pumping water from somewhere.
Just saw a report on MSNBC saying Flowery Branch only gets water 3 hours a day.
Soon, this will this happen to you.
Good luck.
By Laurie
November 5, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
chuck,
Please leave the jokes to Captain Freedom and others. You’re embarrassing yourself.
By MCD
November 5, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
Lily Toad,
Taking away the right to vote from convicted felons who already payed their debt to society is yet another Republican voter suppression technique that I forgot to list in my earlier post.
Of course, having significantly more severe penalties for crack cocaine than powder cocaine plus enforcing drug crimes among the poor while simultaneously ignoring drug crimes among the rich (e.g. George W. Bush) are all part of the overall strategy.
By deegee
November 5, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
After giving Pakistan $11b USD to aid the military we returned Benizir Bhutto to Musharraf. Hasn’t this administration learned anything from the diplomatic disaster that is Iraq? No wonder the state department is erupting in a mutiny.
By Who?
November 5, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
Who here thinks tftt has a crush on Debbie? A raise of hands?
By Captain Freedom
November 5, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
MCD forces THE Captain to take a stand against the contumely heaped upon Our Leader for the “lost years” that he so judiciously refuses to rehash. No, THE Captain refuses to let these slanders go unanswered.
Despite the multiple published accounts of Our Leader snorting cocaine off the bare a$$ of a Maxican hooker, THE Captain refuses to believe. Despite the many well-documented reports that Our Leader may have been a liberine drunkard who ducked his military duty, the Right Blogosphere has proved to our eminent satisfaction that the font in the NY Times is inherently liberal, and therefore not to be trusted. And despite the allegations that Our Leader forced his young girlfriend to have an abortion; or that his daughters are debauched brats on a Sapphic Bacchinalia; or that his devoted wife Pickles intentionally ran her ex-boyfriend over in a pickup truck while drunk; despite these unfortunate incidents…
THE Captain joins Chuck and RW and Sister Dusty in donning the True Belief kneepads and servicing Our Leader and his God-sent family through our shining keyboardist warrior skills.
That is all. I see the crazy guy is back, and THE Captain remembers the adage: Step in $hit, and you get stink on ya.” So, THE Captain bids farewell for the afternoon.
Treat Dusty kindly. She cries easily, bless her heart.
By Curious Observer
November 5, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Who @2:39: I believe our friend TFTT is of the wrong—how do we say it?—persuasion to have a crush on Debbie.
By jbmlaw
November 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Dear VOVT @ 10:21, the peculiar term has many alternative spellings, roughly a term comparable to Red Barber’s “rhubarb.”
Dear Camus @ 10:34, thanks. You have enough “libertarian” in you, as do I, that we have points of agreement. Don’t worry, I’ll spoil it tomorrow.
Dear Shark @ 11:10, newsflash, W will not be the Republican candidate in 2008.
Dear Debbie @ 12:22, “It’s widely known that Republicans do better when the turnout is lighter…” You may be onto something – I think President Kerry received the second largest popular vote total in history. “a state voter-ID law in Missouri nearly prevented the Democrats from retaking the U.S. Senate..” I guess we are all grateful for ACORN’s criminal efforts (viz., Kansas City) to preserve the democrats’ birthright.
Dear Glenn @ 12:35, ha, sorry, I don’t always grasp humor on first sight – not your fault.
Dear WMD @ 1:57, only when compared to our leftist bloggers.
Dear Lily @ 2:07, I mostly agree with you, but with a lag, say two years after completion of sentence. The theory behind declaring a felon “notorious” is that he has proven a disregard of the best interests of society. Thus society cannot afford to have a sociopath participating in setting the rules. Hillary excepted.
Dear Laurie @ 2:16, I disagree, I think Chuck is almost as funny as PoFo, many fast clever lines today.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
The ONE truly EXCELLENT effect of this YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN strike by gibbering lefties in cocaine sniffing Bush hating Hollywood is that execrable wankers like Colberk/J Stewrat, LIEtterman/Luno et al will be off the air and thus inflict ever more wearisome turgid repeats on their small, inconsequential, mostly lefty MoRoNiC audiences. Lets hope it lasts for at least a couple of years - or more. Such piffling pointless pinKKKo putridness will NOT be missed by the more educated discerning folks.
time to CARPET BOMB Iran would be EXTREMELY happy to see crackpipe debbieturd crushed in an old timey car crusher - if that’s any help in answering U’re anally stupid post!!!
time to CARPET BOMB Iran is also ever so slightly wondering if the car hating alcoholic nutter harold has at last been - be still my beating heart - successfully run over by a beastly horrid GOP SUV owning cyclist hating patriot when out cycling 35 miles (one way) to its daily mental hospital appointment for its car hating Electric Shock Treatment?
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Whoeee,
Capn Freedom and another liberal here are running a beauty contest to see who has the best “Adams’ apple”. I guess the winner gets to vote and the loser gets to meet getalife.
Ah yes, the subject dejour is to vote with proper ID. If your Adam’s apple ID is wrong, out the door. These are liberal standards invoked by the all American far-leftovers here. These liberals are always watching fraud and infractions…… afraid they might get caught.
Besides that, “crime does not pay.” The Captain does not look good in stripes. It’s a sight that scares innocent women and children..
By jbmlaw
November 5, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Dear Dusty, my 2:58 smart comment in defense of you came out sounding like criticism. Apologies, perhaps my blood sugar is low. I hold you in high regard.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
Captain, I have it from an OB/GYN in Connecticut that the coultish Ann’s mother was inexplicably and tragically frightened by the sight of Don Knotts in the premiere episode of “The Andy Griffith Show”. Perhaps it’s best left unmentioned in public.
My friend Ripper, the art historian, notes that she’s “possessed of a romantic neckline”. But then he is a gay Dutchman, so who knows what that’s supposed to mean. He says he thinks he saw her once at a club in Amsterdam, but that it might have been Laura Ingraham.
By Camus
November 5, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Back to ya, jbm. You should not be surprised at the relative outbreak of Libertarian-compatible thought from your liberal friends here. The words have the same root (libertas) after all. Most liberals I know favor the re-establishment of liberal democracy in this nation, a concept that has been on the run since the post-911 scare job has taken such deep root.
At the very least, one would expect liberal and conservative patriots to join in a full-throated defense of our dwindling Constitutional freedoms. The very thing that most exercises liberals about the Bush raj is their systematic dismantling of the Constitution in pursuit of the Unitary Executive fiction dreamed up by Cheney. Any Libertarian worth the label should support this objection without hesitation.
I’ll hand it to the lawyers in Pakistan…those fellas are putting their butts on the line in defense of demoratic principles. They must not bill by the hour, eh?
And while I really hate to comment on anything the Brit nutjob posts here, this seems worth a mention:
Notice that in the post @3:06, we find the word “moronic” capitalized in a way that emphasizes the RNC inherent in moronic. Mere accident or a Freudian slip?
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Debbie, it was a Republican president who received the smallest percentage of the popular vote in U.S. history, far less than the tallies of either Kerry or Gore.
You’re right. Republicans are more to blame for the people who do not vote. Democrats are more to blame for those who do vote.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Nice to see L Kpl Syphilis desperately running away again - back to its seedy furtive doner kebab munching menage a trois with a transgendered flea ridden leftist one humped camel, a swarthy young IED abusing obese effeminate arab camel jockey and YIKES!! … inbred redneKKK (when it looks in the sleazy cracked heavily soiled/stained mirror). L Kpl Syphilis is eager once again to drink its Bwaqrney Fwank like pot bellied filling fill from a queeralicious cud slurping camel - known in Syphilis’ bathhhouse as the ship of the cameltoed (gedditt??) desert because its full of arab (loving) seamen!!
So jolly nice of peeping tom to puke up more of its HYPOCRITICAL queerlacious abuse. Doubtless its not so meekly still cruising for yet more rough trade from the Log Cabin Republicans from which its been frustratingly banned for life from ever renting for lip smacking, whip cracking turd burgling evenings again.
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw@3:11
Have no worries. Today is playground day in the ball park.
To be honest, I didn’t see that you had addressed a comment to me.
In regard to high regard, the feeling is mutual.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
SNIGGER SNIGGER SNIGGER
PreDICKtably enough the groundlessly supercilious buttock bouncing blubbery arse licking pompous PSEUDO INTERRRLECKTUAL wanKKKer cANUS has had its waterboarding cage effortlessly rattled by its conservative betters.
So glad to be able to so easily goad such should REALLY have been aborted back at the experimental sperm bank human scum into such a witless MoRoNiC puke fest!!
just redneKKKs NAMBLA the yanKKKee VT child rapist and the scummy Cuban greasball getaturd are missing from a full deck of maggot brained leftist traitors!!
By Gunga Dan
November 5, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
To the one named Captain:
About your reference to “the many well-documented reports that our Fearless Leader may have…ducked his military duty”, could you be the one my attorneys and I have been looking for since we filed the suit against CBS? Was it you, really? As you say, the docs were “well” done! My compliments.
If you are the talented forger, please respond, and my people will be in touch. We’ll be sure to make it worth your while.
By chuck
November 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Hey Laurie, maybe you should leave the pointless, off-topic, nonsensical, drivel-laden posts to… well just leave them.
By jbm and dusty sittin in a tree
November 5, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
They are having a BOINNGG and drip, drip, drip moment right here in public. Ewww!
By Kennesaw State University
November 5, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
Because of high demand we will be offering a second session of our course on coarse on Nov. 29 in room 222333 (get it?) of the Lawrence Flynt Center for Classy Discourse.
By PrincipalMargie
November 5, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
Dear Jim Wooten,
It often seems that our society spends too much time on the quantity of voting and not enough time on quality. The attention always seems to be spent worrying about “how many” people vote, and “what percentage” of this group or that group. Who will dare to ask the question “how good?” are the voting decisions.
Maybe because I taught Social Studies for years, I can’t not keep wondering whether voters today have much in common with the voters who elected such Americans as Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton and Franklin. I don’t know. What I do know has changed is that the modern issues we face today are so much more complicated than they were in Revolutionary days. How can anyone keep up? My husband and I try to vote every time, but the last time we tried to read the pamphlet for voters we could make sense out of much of it. And some of the issues were new even to us, and we keep up with things (your column, for instance!)
I think that you Mr. Wooten know but may just not want to say that most voters don’t know what they are voting for or against. Not really. Probably the newly naturalized parents of many of our students know more about civics and history and politics than voters who have been voting for years.
Just maybe this is the time to face the truth and respond with a program that can help people to make more informed decisions at the poling place as to what’s in their best interest. And in the interest of us all. We have an examination for drivers before they can get the ID they need to vote. There are driving schools all over Metro Atlanta that prepare people for their drivers exam. Why not have schools that prepare people to do something far more important—to vote? As I informed you last week, I am preparing to retire from my career in education. I know lots of retired teachers and administrators like me who would love to do something to help our democracy work better.
Teaching voter preparation does not need to cost a lot of money. Most of us would do it for free and out of patriotism.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Biometrics, people. Biometrics.
By Jim Wooten
November 5, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
PrincipalMargie @ 4p.m.: Welcome. Without question, a substantial number of voters, maybe most on some issues or races, haven’t a clue. I’d really encourage people not to vote, or not to vote in races where they know little or nothing about the candidates or issues.
Agreed that a group with the knowledge and experience to analyze issues and voting records would be helpful. The problem with such efforts now is that most groups have an agenda. But one that included fair-minded people who described themselves and their politics honestly could be of great value in helping other voters.
By Curious Observer
November 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
Teaching a voter education course sounds like a splendid idea. We could have a crew of non-partisan instructors, such as jbmlaw, Wooten, and Dusty, just to be certain that the graduates came out of the course with the Right values.
Say, didn’t Newt teach a “non-partisan” political course at Kennesaw a few years ago?
By Carbon Footprint
November 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
Neuter naturalized parents!
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this
getalife, you’re on to something with that hint about the potential fallout from Sonny’s failure to promulgate a drought plan. The GOP has met another political Katrina in microcosm, and so far is showing no signs of recognition.
By @@
November 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
@@ is a Racist @ 1:31:
Say whaaaatttttt? You’re gonna have to tell me how you came to your conclusion but before you do; read Jim’s first paragraph and define “minority”.
Because the argument has always been that Voter ID suppresses the minority vote. It is a term loosely applied by whom, why and how?
Is “the minority” Asian? Hispanic? Middle Eastern? Jewish? The Elderly? The Disabled? The Poor from all of the above?
I’ll need the answer to my question before we can proceed with your supposition that I’m a racist.
I’m just home from work and need to start dinner. I’ll check back in a few.
By Marvin Harrison
November 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
That Wooten chick looks slightly man-ish, but only slightly.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
What did Glenn just blog? I have no idea what he said. Ditto getalife’s blog. You guys need to remember that gerunds dont have a past tense, and participles dont have gender implications.
Morons.
By PrincipalMargie
November 5, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
Dear Mr. Wooten,
Thank you for your reply! It is so frustrating to see a problem all around you that threatens our system of government and not be able to help. In public education we take our duty seriously to teach children how to think and learn. What about How to Vote, or How to Retire?
Last week I wrote to you the suggestion that it would be helpful those of us state employees to know that before we can retire from the state we need to have some organized preparation. Things like voting and retiring are getting to be too complex for experienced people not to help the inexperienced. And I really think there’s no excuse for not using public resources to make sure that people have what they need in this way.
Your support for this effort would mean a lot more than mine!
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
Curious Observer@4:15
Thanks for the compliment. I am inspired to offer my talents in teaching voter education. But….on one condition…. You must teach the class of LEFT BEHIND while I teach the class of RIGHT VALUES.
By Curious Observer
November 5, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
I can excuse Collie for having been wrong on gerunds.
By Commander Guy
November 5, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
heh. Dusty made a funny. heh. indeed.
the blind squirrell triumphs again.
whadda rube.
While I don’t look forward to being thirsty, or having to collect toilet waste for several days at a time before flushing, the specter of three Republican governors squabbling with each other and a Republican president over the water crisis will be entertainment enough to take the sting out of the situation.
Thanks, Ralph.
By Festus
November 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
Dusty @ 4:27,
You mean you’re planning to take some of the innocent urchins and get raptured up, leaving Officious Voyeur to teach the ones left behind?
C’n I go?
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
Straying away from my more serious, substantive posts to be rather flippant for a moment I have to say that on a number of occasions I have NOT voted for a number of candidates/posts I have never heard of or have been unaware of. This is obviously NOT indifference or even necessarily ignorance, just being sensible. Some of the contests I am not always familiar with are for judicial posts, others being school board seats etc. Same thing with various local issues up for a vote. One is not always aware of every single issue/position/consequences that are being decided and being a responsible citizen I take my voting seriously. Hence I deliberately abstained from voting for R Reed a while back. Blindly/slavishly voting for one party all the way down the ballot is what blacks/liberals do. Some state wide issues are not even partisan. I hazily recall issues like the tax status??? was it? of the port of Savannah a few years ago. And some hunting related initiative too. I am not a hunter or pro-hunting but as a law abiding gun owner one is mindful of gun grabbing initiatives. I have driven through states where local folks are expected to elect a “jailer” … this used to crack me up everytime I saw such billboards.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Wrong again, Curious Yellow. The gerund is a noun that paints like a verb. The implied tense of any gerund is that it is presently occuring. Now, you can use compound verb forms to say when the gerund’s activity occured, but the word is used to paint and add texture and color, and thus should be used sparingly, and not wasted, or hidden in clumsily-structured tense modifiers like “was blogging”, or “had been blogging”. With those two modified gerunds, you can see the person blogging not in the past or the future, but in the present tense, as you are there, in the room with the blogger as he types away with one hand while scratching his balls with the other. In your mind’s eye you see a present blogging activity.
The structure of our language is very complex and few have the emotional stability to form words into sentences. Most bloggers just write, “Duh, you stink, Duh.” (which is a split-palindrome).
Maybe you should stick to parking cars and selling earth shoes, sir.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Collicky,
That’s OK. getalife knows that my post re “Sonny’s failure to promulgate a drought plan” was really secret code for Sonny’s failure to promulgate a drought plan.
Excuse me a moment…
*getalife, meet me at Post 1:52*…thank you. Now, what was — oh yes, please point me to the moronic grammatical errors, as I’d like to learn from you and from my mistakes.
By getalife
November 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Jim said don’t vote.
Just vote any name with a (D)
The gop can’t get water. No money in it.
Geez.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
Glenn, you’ll have to wait. I’m still deciphering all the coded messages in your gubernatorial goober references to the drought. I think I get what’s happening to our water supply cause you’re all wet, pal.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
Collicky,
Would it be better were it:
“…and still shows no signs of recognition”?
You’re right about the gerunds derailing my train of thought into my stream of consciousness.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
What kind of activist judge would uphold any photo id law? Down with activist judges. down with photos! down with ID’s.
Look, if they require photo ID’s then wouldn’t everyone’s eyes be red in the photograph? And if everyone’s eyes look red then wouldn’t that be an unfair unconstitutionally unfair redstate advantage for the GOP?
Only an activist journalist would be writing about Photo Ids the day before elections.
By time to CARPET BOMB Iran
November 5, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this
Wrong again, Curious Yellow. The gerund is a noun that paints like a verb. The implied tense of any gerund is that it is presently occuring. Now, you can use compound verb forms to say when the gerund’s activity occured, but the word is used to paint and add texture and color, and thus should be used sparingly, and not wasted, or hidden in clumsily-structured tense modifiers like “was blogging”, or “had been blogging”. With those two modified gerunds, you can see the person blogging not in the past or the future, but in the present tense, as you are there, in the room with the blogger as he types away with one hand while scratching his balls with the other. In your mind’s eye you see a present blogging activity.
Collie
the very best tactic to deploy against the haughty, supercilious leftist vermin on here is to factually and appositely describe them, plus occasionally play ‘gotcha’ with them, using the rather pithy, albeit relatively restrained banter that apparently they seem to love to see (from yours truly).
besmirching their delusions of special needs adequacy with convoluted grammar lessons - however irresistible - will invariably elicit shrill hectoring along the lines of STFU U fascist queer paraphrased stanzas ripped prosaically from the archetypal plebian Nu Jersey native Bruce Sh!tstream’s (et al) decidedly effete Bush hate portfolio.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this
Last week Principal Margie chimed in with a post about requiring state workers to study “retirement preparation” (as part of their job descriptions?), and today she proposes “voter preparation” courses. What next? Order Mr. & Ms. Britney to parenting classes?
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
Sure, I followed that along. (what a dope)
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
Standing challenge: don’t miss your chance to explain where Pelosi’s anti-waterboarding bill is! Act now!
By Dusty
November 5, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this
Dear Festus @4:41
I’m afraid that I will have to leave you behind to take care of the corral. I mean we’ve got guys throwing out stuff like “gerunds,tense modifiers and palindromes”. Folks like that need to be shot, likewise for Commander Guy who is a bit squirrelly aka “nuts”.
There’ll be no “rapture” in my class. Buy your own stuff down at the corner. I’m against it.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
When photo IDs are voters, voters should be photo IDs.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
If we let illegal aliens vote, would they need a Frito ID?
By @@
November 5, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
No response from @@ is a Racist?
To refresh his/her memory…
Define minority and while you’re at it google Voter ID, Vote suppression and tell me exactly who they mean when the articles say “Mandatory ID suppresses the minority vote? Please be specific because I’m curious.
I’ll check back again. The site closes at 6:00 my friend.
By Festus
November 5, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this
Marshal, wish you could stay to cover me in palindromoronia. Don’t worry ‘bout me, though. Reckon I can fight ‘em off with my humble ditties. Like the one ya took offa old Black Bart:
I have labored long for bread,
For money and for riches.
But on my corns too long you’ve tread,
You fine-haired sonsaNatchez.
(made up the Natchez part)
By Kieran
November 5, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
can’t tell you how earnest I’ve become about all the lackopiedayicalibberish. The only thing that really scares me (other than my wife, the tipplesome harridan).
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
We are going to vote the GOP out tomorrow. None of those tom-and-gerrymandering redstate crooks have a chance. And thus we will enter a brave new world of truth, justice, and government cheese-for-all in the grandest irony of all: the best laid plans of mice and men.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this
@@,
If you’re a racist, a parent is a schoolhouse.
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
Glenn, we get the bit.
Kieran, it’s spelled “supercalifragilisticexpialidoscious”, moron.
By @@
November 5, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Glenn:
I’m not sure what your 5:46 means but I can say that no matter what color my students are…caucasian, black or hispanic (I’ve taught them all), they are first and foremost “special”.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
GAIA SAVE THE WORLD FROM WORLDSAVERS!
By Collie
November 5, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
How about all those wounded ducks manning sent aloft yesterday? Broke my heart to see him so dismayed after the loss.
I havent’ seen chagrin like that since that famous YA Tittle photograph in the championship loss to chicago in 1963. YA Tittle was my hero, more that Johnny U, or Bart Starr, or Night Train Lane, or Ronnie Bull of the Baylor Bears.
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this
Yep, must’ve been a myth-of-Tantalus day for Colters and Coulters alike. Say it ain’t so!
By Glenn
November 5, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
@@,
Means no way. No way you’re a racist.
Regards,
gtg
By Rick in Lawrenceville
November 6, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
Our elections are open to significant voter fraud. Boards of Elections across the country have not been checking the citizenship of voters. This is one of the essential requirements of voting in any local, state, or federal elections. Most Boards of Elections will readily admit that citizenship checks are not being done.
This opens up the possibility that voter fraud by non-citizens/illegal aliens could affect the outcomes of many political races across the country, especially with the number of close elections.
The following states currently grant or in the recent past have granted drivers licenses to illegal aliens:
(1) New Mexico (2) Maine (3) Hawaii (4) Michigan (5) Oregon (6) Utah, has issued a different type of license to illegal aliens after 2005 (7) Washington (8) Maryland (9) North Carolina until August, 2006 (10) Tennessee until May, 2007
Elections in these states are certainly open to fraud by illegal aliens since they possess government issued photo identification needed to cast a ballot at a polling center.
Elections in other states are at risk due to the reciprocity agreements between states to exchange drivers licenses between these states and those that do not “originally” grant these licenses to illegal aliens. These new drivers licenses are granted without citizenship checks.
Voters are signing affidavits affirming their US citizenship under penalty of perjury. However, significant numbers of illegal aliens have procured and presented false documents for employment purposes and to obtain other benefits given only to US citizens. This evidence suggests that the mere penalty of perjury will not deter non-citizens from falsely affirming their US citizenship for voting purposes. They have a large stake in the outcomes of local, state, and federal elections.
I ask what will be done to prevent voter fraud from non-citizens affecting the outcomes of our election processes?
By JohnD
November 6, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Glenn@112:35, yesterday,
I am amused by the use of the word hypocrite by the Left as a pejorative aimed at the Right.
The Left seems to think having an opinion on a topic, such as Senator Craig’s position on family values, but then acting contrary to that position, then makes one a hypocrite. I would assert that such contrary behavior simply makes an individual – human.
The “H” word is now so commonly used by the Left in most every daily discussion here that the term has become hackneyed in my view, much like applying the term racist to everyone who opposes open borders. Some are no doubt racist but to apply the term to every opponent is nonsense.
By James
November 9, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
Weapons of Mass Destruction. Al-qaida. Valarie Plame National Debit Trade Balance Secret Prisons ETC., ETC.,ETC.,