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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Murderer Jack Alderman, who has escaped his deserved fate for more than three decades, will be executed Friday unless the U.S. Supreme Court further delays the execution. It’s considering whether lethal injections are cruel. The high court did on Wednesday stop a pending execution in Virginia.
As the Brian Nichols case in Atlanta amply demonstrates, capital punishment opponents are determined to eliminate executions as an option. In the Nichols case, the strategy is to raise the costs so high that District Attorney Paul Howard will be forced to abandon his efforts to seek the death penalty against Nichols. Opponents believe if they can demonstrate that a single death penalty case can bankrupt the system, penny-pinching fiscal conservatives will throw in the towel.
Under no circumstances, of course, should Howard concede to a lesser penalty. The bankrupt-the-system strategy in this case cannot be allowed to succeed. Capital punishment critics point to cases where murders deserving of death managed to escape that punishment, either because a DA in one jurisdiction didn’t think he could get it, or because one or two jurors lied about their willingness to consider it, or because the sentence was set aside because of technicalities or for legitimate reasons. Because some deserving of death manage to escape execution, the critics reason, the system is “unfair” and should be abandoned.
It’s almost amusing. They make certain the system doesn’t work — and then offer a “see there” argument to abandon it altogether.
The Alderman execution should take place Friday. And under no circumstances should Howard ever abandon efforts to seek the death penalty for Nichols.
Comments
By The Way
October 18, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this
No death penalty? Pretty soon waterboarding will be banned by the drought laws. How about we take away convict’s desert trays on ice cream nite at the resorts/halfway houses most murderers end up in?
If we cant even form the language to condemn genocide, then how can we hold one man to one measley murder?
By The Way
October 18, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this
What if Brian Nichols was a Turk? Would wooten want him freed?
By WTF
October 18, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this
This just all goes to show how much our government SUCKS and our “injustice” system SUCKS!!!!! And Bush is the head TURD!
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. I favor the death penalty. There are many people who willfully inflict injury on innocents; such an evil heart does not deserve to live. (Yes, I know that line will provoke the moonbats into some idiotic line about our noble efforts against Islamists.) For those of us who believe there is potential for a better life after this one ends, the end of life on earth is not so fearsome.
I am suspicious of the expenditures by the Nichols defense team – they seem abnormally high, even for a high-profile high-stakes case – and I trust their diligence will be audited. I would respectfully apply for that assignment, and I would not charge the state $250,000 for the effort.
Aside to Glenn – apologies for untimely response, a few days ago you urged that I educate our leftist friends on the distinctions among the various types of conservatives. We engage such an effort on a regular basis, but I perceive drug-addled minds have trouble absorbing the teaching. The last serious effort I made was August 10 @ 10:57, http://template.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2007/08/09/idcardsusherashero5acref.html
By Mid-South Philosopher
October 18, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
While I certainly do not (as the comedian, Ron White, muses about his home state of Texas) want to see an express lane put in for the use of the death penalty in Georgia, there are clearly some situations (the Nichols case in Fulton County, the Jones case in Gordon County, and the Alderman case) where the delay of justice is, in and of itself, injustice!
All of this goes back to the undeniable truth that the court system in the United States is not nor never has been set up to do justice. Instead, its purpose is to administer the law. If justice is accomplished, it is just a fortunate by-product of the process.
In the United States, the court system generally does its job quite well. The atrocities that we perceive from time to time are the results of poorly crafted laws by largely inept politicians, too many of whom have made a life’s career of office holding.
Are we ever going to change things?
Sure! Right after Britney Spears is honored as the 2007 “Mother of the Year”!
By TW
October 18, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
If it costs more to ‘put them down’ and it is not a deterrent, doesn’t that only leave vengeance? Not saying this is good or bad, but call it what it is….
What about those who work with the families of the victims who say they see little healing when the offender is executed? Shouldn’t the victim’s family be the priority?
On a lesser note – WWIII? Is it time to give the tough jobs back to the smart people?
By Anonymous
October 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
It’s almost amusing. They make certain the system doesn’t work — and then offer a “see there” argument to abandon it altogether.
That sounds familiar… sorta like what the Republicans always try to do with public education.
By Shar
October 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
Good Morning to each and all. I used to be in favor of capital punishment, but I’m having trouble with it these days, not (I regret to say) on moral grounds but on practical ones. Not only does it take years and years to implement (as in fact it should, with a requirement to review all facets of a case before the ultimate penalty is assessed) but it costs far more than life without parole. I have never seen a study that says it acts as a deterrent, since rampaging criminals rarely pause for a quiet moment to reflect on the consequences of their actions. They tend to rampage and then reflect, resulting in the costly wriggling apparent in Mr. Nichols’ case.
There is no doubt that Mr. Nichols is guilty, of course, and no doubt that he should never again walk among us. There is also no doubt that his defense team is performing their job, which is to advocate in every legal way possible for their client. Running up the public tab to impossible heights is outlandishly sleazy, but it’s a legal and effective means of forcing a reduction in charges.
It seems to me that capital punishment poses a consistency problem for the Republican party, as it officially embraces both “the sanctity of human life” and executions. And it really doesn’t matter to public safety whether Mr. Nichols is killed or if he gets dropped into a hellhole and left to rot. Perhaps a better means of exacting more stringent punishment in horrific cases is administrative, which in a way is already assessed in that life without parole does not trigger automatic appeals at public expense the way that a death sentence does. I’m sure that there are plenty of ways to make incarceration even more hellish, and in perpetuity, rather than providing this kind of criminal with the public money, special housing and lengthy public platform that comes along with a death sentence.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this
Good morning. In the words of that great sage of the sagebrush, the Outlaw Josie Wales, “Some folks need killin’.” Period. Fade to black.
jbm, tried using the link to no avail. Will locate it by way of St. Louis. Thanks again for turning me on to Jefferson’s Hippie daze.
By Redneck Convert
October 18, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Well, the libruls always want to get rid of the Death Penalty. Me, I’m for sending them all back to their Maker. Just put the juice to them and let them slip away. It’s a lot better way to go than they give their victim. Like I said before, if the state needs any help hauling the bodies away us rednecks and our pickups is ready. Heck, we’ll even dig the graves if the state will just hurry up about juicing them. I get all upset when I read about some guy that’s been waiting 15 years to get juiced and does appeal after appeal. We need to give them about a week to Get Right With The Lord and then shoot the poison to them.
But no, some pointy-head has got to talk about the chance that the guy didn’t do it. So what if the state makes a few mistakes and juices some guy that didn’t do it? Most of them are guilty, so I figure if we can hit 90% or so we got no big problem. Anyway, the victims fambly need Closure, which is a nice way of saying Revenge. There’s nothing wrong with Revenge. I bet the fambly of the murder victim of the guy the Supreme Court of the U.S. of A. wouldn’t allow to be juiced this week is fit to be tied right now for not getting Closure.
Take this Nichols guy. We all know he’s guilty. We seen it on TV. He kilt that judge and a court reporter and a deputy and a guvmint guy and smashed that woman guard in the head and put her in the hospitle. We just need to have a quick trial and send him to Jackson. The famblys of all the murder victims need Closure quick. But no. We got to spend millions of dollars of taxpayer money first. Well, he’s the one broke the law so why should I have to pay a bunch of lawyers a ton of money to defend him when we know he’s already guilty? This is GA, not some yankee state that moans about rights and such.
Anyway, my buddy Jim Earl was laughing last night about how Sister Dusty thinks me and this Captain Freedom guy is the same. Heck, this Captain Freedom uses words I can’t even say, much less spell. To him everybody is a Islamo-something. I think he’s about as sick in the head as TFTT. But I got good redneck common sense. To me, if a guy gets arrested that’s proof enough he done it. We need to get rid of trials and such and just let the police decide how to punish the criminals. You can bet the state would be asking us to use our pickups then.
Well, I got to be making my rounds. All the bars are calling for extra beer because of the football games and sermons this weekend. Good Christian GA rednecks get mighty thirsty when they deal with any one of them.
By Dennis
October 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
I wonder sometimes where Mr. Wooten learned his “Christian” theology.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
Jim sez issue now before the court: Is lethal injection a violation of the 8th? I hope not. Cruel & unusal punishments went out with Uday & Kusay, if not Martin & Lewis. Are Southerners so genetically lacking in YankeeIngenuity that they can’t figure out a way to off a guy without getting all sadistic about it? Can’t Wooten start up a collection to give Tech a grant to come up with some licketysplit device for dispatching the ravenous predators among us? The military still uses the firing squad. What’s wrong with that, exactly. In just the past few days the ATF has taken in enough state-of-the art firepower to do the job quite nicely on a guy who, having forfeited his de jure membership in the human race, now finds himself standing against a wall in a straightjacket, momentarily to have his membership revoked de facto. Bang. Done.
By Aquagirl
October 18, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
It does seem more practical to just use life without parole in lieu of the death penalty. I don’t have any problem with executing killers, it’s just a matter of pragmatics to me. Cruel and unusual punishment is relative when you’re talking about some of these scumbuckets. There are a lot more cruel and unusual things going on in this world than a murderer getting “put down”.
It does leave the disturbing possibility that some may continue to kill while behind bars…I don’t think we should leave prison guards or inmates in the crosshairs of those with murderous intent. After all, if there is no more punishment to inflict, it does leave authorities without alternatives. There are only so many supermax cells for isolation.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Well, all I can say this morning is…if someone killed one of my family it would not take 15 years to decide what to do with the killer.
Why should I feel any different about other people’s families? I don’t. Let the Justice System work and then let justice prevail ASAP.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this
RedNeck Convict aka Captain Freedom aka Big Phony@9:06
You are as cute as a Chinese toy. Why don’t you get the lead out and try the real thing? Recall,recall!!
By Smitty
October 18, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
I totally support the death penalty 100%. The appeals process is totally unnecessary. One appeal maybe, but unlimited appeals? NO.
This whole case with Brian Nichols is stupid. The man murdered four people in cold blood, there are numerous witnesses, so why do we even need a trial? Why does he deserve free defense? There should be no trial, no waste of taxpayers money, and the guy should be taken out back and shot for what he did. And the families of his victims should be there to witness his execution.
All this crap about the death penalty and “inhumane” injections really p** me off. The murderer has been allowed to live, still has rights, has been taken care of by MY tax dollars, while the victim had no voice, no choice,the family is morning, and their questions are unanswered, and is no longer on this earth. An eye for an eye is how I feel.
Once convicted, take ‘em out back and shoot or hang them. I firmly believe crime will drop significantly if this were done. Just like in the old west.
See ya!!
By The Way
October 18, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
How can you tell who the gay terrorist on an airplane is? He’s the one whose light’n the loafers.
Iraq hung Saddam Hussein. Death penalty case for the ages. In this country, the liberals woulda found him not guilty, and Saddam would be on the golf courses in Florida searching for the real WMDs.
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
The death penalty is ineffective as a crime deterrent, immoral, and wasteful.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
Dennis, a cheapshot. What’s un-Christian about the death penalty? You don’t have to attempt formal theology, just a brief recitation of relevant doctrine will do. Bonus points for citing Jewish doctrine accurately.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
SoDem, compared to what?
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
Glenn @ 9:47, I have a pretty good source: Matthew 5:38-39, Christ’s rejection of lex talionis.
Further, here’s a good exposition of my Church’s stance: http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/SFS/an1000.asp
By @@
October 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
The bankrupt-the-system strategy in this case cannot be allowed to succeed.
Jim, when they bankrupt the system for one case, are they taking the resources that would pay for the defense of others in need of a public defender? What if someone is truly innocent? Wouldn’t the ability of their lawyer be hampered by a lack of funds?
If that’s the case, then pitting criminals against criminals would work for me. I’m talking literally here….once convicted throw ‘em all in a big hole in the ground and let ‘em take care of one another.
A deep landfill would work just fine. Food aplenty!!!!
By .
October 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
The death penalty should be MANDATORY for liberals, leftists, eco whackos, rabid religious nutters of all dogmas and about 90% of so called celebrities!!
By getalife
October 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
I thought you were pro life.
Geez, I wonder if our government is broken and why the wingnuts cheer them on.They gave OBL amnesty too
By Curious Observer
October 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
My, we have some bloodthirsty people on this blog. I’ll bet they all show up at church on Sunday, Dusty chief among them, nodding piously, while the minister drones on about charity and mercy.
It’s a good thing for them that the death penalty isn’t attached to the practice of hypocrisy.
By getalife
October 18, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
Geez, the pro life crowd sure ♥ death.
They get off on blowing up babies in Iraq and want to do it in Iran.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Southern Democrat 10:02
Yes, Christ did say not to practice “an eye for an eye”. He also said “Pray for those that persecute you.”
Just how do the murdered pray for those that killed them?
I do not think that Christ, who gave his own life for humanity, would approve of letting a murderer loose on society with only a prayer. Do you really think that is what he was asking or was it for justice, not revenge?
By Captain Freedom
October 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
THE Captain wants to warn Dennis that his response to Glenn’s theology challenge should not fall back on that hoary old chestnut “Thou shalt not kill.” That is sooo OLD Testament. It is no longer operative, as the New Testament and the words of Christ should guide us in all things.
THE Captain is certain that Christ would approve of capital punishment, and willingly accepted it as his own fate in order to demonstrate its Glorious Goodness. This reasoning also highlights the Christian basis for torturing prisoners who are enemies of the state. If it was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for the godless Islamoetceteras struggling to replace Our Way of Life with a parade of Burka’d Dusty people.
THE Captain takes it a step further and recommends capital punishment for lesser crimes as a means of establishing order and reducing the surplus population. For example, we could make the abject alliteration abuse that is habitual to one of our own Wooten dwellers a capital offense. Just think of how it would improve this forum!!!!
And to the no-longer-a-friend Redneck. How dare you impugn me that way, you cretinous yahoo. You are as stupid as Dusty if you think I’m as crazy as TFTT.
THE Captain is a model of probity, sanity, and intellectual exemplarity. You slack jawed yokel.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Curious Observer @ 10:13,
I, too, am curious. Would you mind admitting that you NEVER attend church but know all about them?
Oh yes, I wear sack cloth and ashes every Sunday to affirm my piety.
But do let me invite you to come and join us. You might find that the real thing is much better than your sad lost reflections on faith.
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Respectfully, I do not think there is any room to debate on this one. As I said last week, however, I do not want you to take my dismissiveness personally, but offer by way of explanation that this is one of those issues where my philosophy is so inextricably intertwined with my faith that it is difficult to debate.
If we are confining the debate to Scripture, however, besides the Sermon on the Mount, Christ offers us Matthew 7:1-5 regarding the adulteress and an admonition to not “judge lest we be judged” and to let “he without sin cast the first stone.” As I do not qualify for that category, I do not support the death penalty.
By Curious Observer
October 18, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
My dear Dusty, I am the son of a preacher. I have already been to more church services than you will attend in the next thirty years.
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this
Dear Shar @ 9:05, I appreciate your thoughtful essay. You raise one particular question, “sanctity of human life” and conservative “consistency.” Broadly, conservatives (and I, in particular) distinguish “innocent” life from “evil” when assessing sanctity. We attach no “sanctity” to the evil in this world.
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
Respectfully, I do not think there is any room to debate on this one. As I said last week, however, I do not want you to take my dismissiveness personally, but offer by way of explanation that this is one of those issues where my philosophy is so inextricably intertwined with my faith that it is difficult to debate.
If we are confining the debate to Scripture, however, besides the Sermon on the Mount, Christ offers us Matthew 7:1-5 regarding the adulteress and an admonition to not “judge lest we be judged” and to let “he without sin cast the first stone.” As I do not qualify for that category, I do not support the death penalty.
By Redneck Convert
October 18, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Well, if this Captain Freedom wants war, then war he’ll get. He’ll never know which bottle I’ve pryed the lid off of and made a little addition to next time he goes to a bar.
By Anonymous
October 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
And if a lifetime of church attendance hasn’t steered Dusty away from hatred and bloodlust, what does that say about the power of faith?
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this
SoDo, thank you for the serious answer to a serious question. Excellent link. I hadn’t visited the Catholic Church’s position on the issue since the 1987 (?) letter on just war doctrine delivered by the American bishops. It’s precisely because I’m on board with “Gospel of Life” doctrine that I support the death penalty. (A grim thing to support, but support it I do — once at the gates of San Quentin, in the face of some lovely but very upset Quakers who were there holding vigil for an inmate executed later that night.) Presumably you’re aware that many aspiring Jews and Christians (including, come to think of it, Fr. Bryan Hehir, SJ, who drafted the Bishops’ letter), contemplate sanctioned killing, and many of them agree with it. Your citation of Matthew’s Gospel is of course on point, and the Naz’s general distaste for violence is duly noted. In your Church, my Alma Mater, a group of theologians, the Girardians, have (has?) launched a fairly ecumenical effort to discern, literally, “good violence” from “bad violence”, in the light of the scapegoating of Jesus. Part of the the thinking is that the former is what what we’re left with, this side of the Kingdom. Can’t think of a more serious intellectual project. Meanwhile, the death penalty does not upset the metaphysics of the Orthodox rabbinate; on the contrary. I’ve already said where I stand.
So, heady stuff. Thanks again. I had mistook your earlier comments for an attack on Jim’s Christian devotion. Sorry I went off half-cocked.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
I prayed for rain but can’t do anything with the upcoming recession or dusty’s soul.
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
Glenn,
I respect your beliefs and you have clearly investigated, but I disagree with the conclusion. I believe that the just war theory and the Church’s stance on justifiable violence is more in the realm of saving the lives of others, not ex post facto killings, e.g., killing one to save many, etc.
The Catholic Church, so far from perfect, does offer people like me some good guidance on topics like these. It is my understanding from very basic classes that the Church’s stance is that a Christian should be willing to sacrifice his own life before taking another’s (on a very basic level). I also had the pleasure of hearing Sr. Helen Prejean speak several times which was incredibly inspiring.
I confess, however, that I am woefully ignorant of other denominations’ views on this issue.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Oh Captain , my Captain, you are such a hypocritical joke (almost as funny as your other persona RedNeck Convict) but not quite as smart as TFTT.
Are you conversant with Curious Observer whom I believe is also an authority on churches and faith like you, but probably never puts a foot into a church? Very much like you.
Ah, but I revel in doubt at your proclamations. The good book also says “Beware of false prophets!” I would label you as the “polyester of pulpit linen”.
But..do continue your good work as Captain of the Boy Scouts. I leave you briefly as it is time to put my burkas in the washing machine. Adios..
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
Iraqi Contracts With Iran and China Concern U.S.
Told ya, they are not our ally and wasted a trillion for nothing. But lets not insure the American children.
Geez.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
Curious Observer @ 10:30
So what happened?
Southern Democrat@ 10:50
I am glad your faith answers all questions for you. I still ask questions but usually settle on the “Do unto others..” as the guiding principle along with the all abiding “love”.
Fortunately there is always forgiveness, so I don’t worry too much if sometimes I get off the beaten track while trying. Oh to be perfect’!!!
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Shar, jbm, Dennis et al, jbm’s distinctions of 10:35 are mine also. And I think they belong also to Orthodox Judaism. In the spirit of comparing notes, rather than of debating, with y’all, I’m mindful also of the Edenic curse: the burden of decision between good and evil. Decision here being decidere, an ancient word meaning to cleave with a sword, as in Solomon’s sword of justice, the word justice meaning to cleave. (Freudians: note the delicious double valence of “cleave”; to divide, but also — the opposite — to join.) Which is to say that the burden of the Edenic Fall is precisely ethics, an approximate science, like statistics. These days Jews, Catholics and especially Protestants often mistake ethics for religious practice. It’s a special form of idolatry, the placement, in the position of the Ultimate, of that which is, however important, merely penultimate. Sometimes it’s called liberalism.
By Shar
October 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Dear jbmlaw@10:35 - Thanks for your response. I don’t know that your differentiation between innocent and evil life is more Conservative or religious in nature, but it leaves me a tad uneasy. As anyone who has looked in the mirror knows, we are all sinners. Furthermore, you never know where the ripples of your failings wash up, or who they might drown in the process. I am only too aware that I would be a legitimate candidate for stoning in ‘way too many of this world’s ports of call, for sins like sharing meals with men who are not related to me or showing my neck in public. Or just being American.
If there is no such thing as true innocence and evil is in the eye of the beholder, sanctification of one over the other becomes subjective. I think that’s why it is supposed to be done by the All-Knowing at the Pearly Gates. The best that we can do is to be guided by conscience and constrained by laws. True valuation of the total person is beyond the limits of our understanding.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
They are debating children’s health care on C-Span.
Good stuff.
By Dennis
October 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this
Glenn October 18, 2007 9:47 AM Dennis, a cheapshot. What’s un-Christian about the death penalty?
Glenn, I didn’t intend a cheapshot. I meant what I said. Perhaps you can tell me what is “Christian” about the death penalty?
If there were no other means of protecting society (whether society in or out of prison) I can understand the death penality. But we don’t live in that type of society.
The only “consistant” comment ever about being for the death penality is usually the costs of housing an inmate - as if money is more important than life.
But you ask, “What’s un-Christian about the death penalty?” Can I wonder if you would put down the Muslim faith for its “unchristian” harshness via the death penality?
Fact is, their laws are not that far removed from the “Jewish doctrine”.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By The Way
October 18, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this
How can you tell which passenger on an airplane is the gay terrorist? He’s the one light’n his loafers.
By JK
October 18, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
IMO, Nichols waived his right to a fair trial when he shot the deputy, the judge, and court reporter. Then he shot another man for no reason at all. My opposition to the death penalty is based on the inequities in the “justice” system and the eagerness of prosecutors to convict someone, even if it’s the wrong person, as it is in many cases.
But Brian Nichols should never have been brought back alive, white flag or no. He was on a killing spree and should have been gunned down on sight just like the judge and the court reporter — whose whole purpose in being there was to give him a fair trial in the first place. That we are even having this discussion now is another example of the utter incompetence you get when you pay bottom dollar for important service jobs. But that’s a discussion for another day.
By Captain Freedom
October 18, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
THE Captain applauds Dusty’s approach to the Golden Rule:
“Do unto others before they have the chance to do unto you.”
Sister Dusty’s meat cleaver approach to the tangled issues of theology is refreshing. So Dusty, please help THE Captain with this one:
Since Adam and Eve were created from the earth an rib, respectively; and since they gave birth to two sons, Cain and Abel; and since there were no other humans anywhere; and since we are all descendent from Adam and Eve….
Where did subsequent humans come from???
THE Captain has long pondered this conundrum, to no avail. Is it possible that Cain and Abel were somehow hermaphroditic, and thus were capable of mating one to another? THE Captain hopes not, as it is so icky on several levels (not to mention to incest angle).
So, failing that, perhaps the brothers were instructed to mate with other creatures, such as perhaps the bonobo or the lamb. My ex-friend Redneck probably knows a thing or two about the latter option, but THE Captain digresses.
While the Cain/bonobo option is both disgusting and tantalizing, THE Captain believes it a likely explanation for he Islamoevolutionists insistence that there is proof that we descended from apes. If it were necessary for the Sons of Adam to copulate with bonobos for the Godly purpose of reproduction, the subsequent commingling of genetic material would explain the so-called evolutionary evidence.
There appear to be no other alternatives. And while the implications to either scenario are awful to bear, either would explain the fratricide; on the one hand, a lovers’ spat, on the other, a murder resulting from a lust-fueled triangle, brother slaying brother over the affections of an especially hot bonobo.
Pray, Dusty of the Clear Cut Theology, what is the explanation?? And did Cain suffer capital punishment for his crime?? This would go a long way to proving that execution for murder is part of God’s master plan.
By Jack
October 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
Great post JK. They should have brought him back in a bag.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
It was President Clinton who gave us SCHIP for American children and a gop congress approved 10 years ago.
Now, the gop will stand with a gop President to take it away.
The gop have broken government, will not work with the dems and then will try to get reelected by saying the dems have not done anything.
And that is truth.
By deegee
October 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Brian Nichols was diagnosed with a delusional disorder and his lawyers intend to use the insanity defense. I think that is what is running up the tab. Lots of expert testimony and so forth.
How do we apply the death penalty to someone that is evil when delusional but good when on their meds?
By The Way
October 18, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
What a blog! The discussions are virulently third grade. I havent read insights and unponderables on this level since Plato discovered how useless gravity is when you’re constipated.
Punishment? I’d give you all F’s and duncecaps, and then I’d bribe the class bully to give you swirlies in the broken commode in the little boy’s room. Is that glenn’s foot a’tappin’?
Brevity is as close to god as any of you will ever get. So be brief.
Notice how nobody ever asks Mitt Romney, “Boxers or Briefs?”
I wonder what Plato would do with that masterpiece of insight that I wrote?
Alles muffinheimer ze sprechen
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Dennis, please see my 11:08 answer and apology. I see the death penalty, and human justice in general, as authorized sin. For that matter I view marriage similarly, and so did my wife prior to our wedding — and, God knows, afterward! You may be right in pointing out that court-ordered killing is not a necessary component of a system of justice. I’m not sure, however, that instrumentalism is itself necessary in “justifying” execution. Frankly I’d like to consult an Orthodox rabbi on that point.
Please pull the thoughtful Shar out of the rapids, as just now you are closer to her than jbm or I, and she’s about to go over the waterfall of moral relativism, from whence no return.
By Charles
October 18, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
We should end the death penalty because governments are inherently evil and can’t be trusted with life’s common denominator, death, in regards to citizens. Here is the last sentence of my prayers each night. Great God of Israel, never allow us to fall into the hands of rulers of the darkness in this world, ruthless men and women.
In the minds of my friends and me, the bankrupt-the-system strategy, murders deserving of death managed to escape, or sentence was set aside because of technicalities or legitimate reasons are good secondary reasons to end Capitol punishment.
Fulton County Georgia jurors deadlocked 10-2 in favor of acquittal of accused rapist Brian Gene Nichols. We deduce it is highly probable that Brian Gene Nichols didn’t rape anyone. It’s likely that Brian Gene Nichols didn’t break and enter anyone’s home to hold a complainant hostage for days. This is not my reasoning only. It is the reasoning of ten of the twelve jurors serving on the Brian Gene Nichols rape case.
How should Brian Gene Nichols have responded? It’s obvious that prosecutors were determined to send another innocent African American to prison. Prosecutors wanted to retry Brian Gene Nichols, almost immediately, without giving him due process to court records. Should he have struck out for freedom?
Should an obviously innocent man, Brian Gene Nichols, have allowed the government to continue this flagrant injustice and hoped that Barry Scheck, Peter Neufeld of the Innocence Project would accept his case among countless others while serving years in prison? I think not. The Founding Fathers of this country would cast their lot with Brian Nichols; if you are innocent, strike out for freedom. They were absolutely opposed to injustice and tyrannical government.
No death penalty for Brian Gene Nichols. The government of Fulton County Georgia is equally to blame for March 11, 2005. Brian Gene Nichols is the victim of government incompetence and malfeasance.
By Charles
October 18, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
We should end the death penalty because governments are inherently evil and can’t be trusted with life’s common denominator, death, in regards to citizens. Here is the last sentence of my prayers each night. Great God of Israel, never allow us to fall into the hands of rulers of the darkness in this world, ruthless men and women.
In the minds of my friends and me, the bankrupt-the-system strategy, murders deserving of death managed to escape, or sentence was set aside because of technicalities or legitimate reasons are good secondary reasons to end Capitol punishment.
Fulton County Georgia jurors deadlocked 10-2 in favor of acquittal of accused rapist Brian Gene Nichols. We deduce it is highly probable that Brian Gene Nichols didn’t rape anyone. It’s likely that Brian Gene Nichols didn’t break and enter anyone’s home to hold a complainant hostage for days. This is not my reasoning only. It is the reasoning of ten of the twelve jurors serving on the Brian Gene Nichols rape case.
How should Brian Gene Nichols have responded? It’s obvious that prosecutors were determined to send another innocent African American to prison. Prosecutors wanted to retry Brian Gene Nichols, almost immediately, without giving him due process to court records. Should he have struck out for freedom?
Should an obviously innocent man, Brian Gene Nichols, have allowed the government to continue this flagrant injustice and hoped that Barry Scheck, Peter Neufeld of the Innocence Project would accept his case among countless others while serving years in prison? I think not. The Founding Fathers of this country would cast their lot with Brian Nichols; if you are innocent, strike out for freedom. They were absolutely opposed to injustice and tyrannical government.
No death penalty for Brian Gene Nichols. The government of Fulton County Georgia is equally to blame for March 11, 2005. Brian Gene Nichols is the victim of government incompetence and malfeasance.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
Captain, my Captain, does thee not believe in miracles?(longevity at 11:27)
God did not tell us EVERYTHING!!! Adam and Eve==more children==more rib replacements==more DNA!!!
Forget the bonobo (whatever that is) and quit quoting me incorrectly which is also a capital offense.
As to Cain, who repeatedly and forever “dug in the dirt”, he has a new TV series which will also be banished since current TV seems to be pure digging in the dirt just like the wayward Cain.
I hope that is clear cut and riddled with clarity. If not, please rely on the Yellow Pages for reference.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
w’s campaign promise on American children’s health care was broken like he has done to our government.
The gop can stand with the worst President in history or 10 million American children.
The gop will choose the worst President ever. Why in world would any Americans reelect any gop?
By Shar
October 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Jack and JK - I really hope that you are expressing frustration with Nichols’ specific situation and not expressing a considered opinion. I can’t imagine even joking that arresting officers should decide verdicts and exact punishment on the spot, except in the case of immediate self-defense. Nichols, obviously, was “brought back alive” because, Thank God, he is presumed innocent of the charges until proven guilty as judged by a jury of his peers. The fact that he is accused of attacking the American system of justice does not disqualify him from its benefits. Fair treatment of those highly likely to be guilty is a deeply frustrating, deeply cherished blessing.
By GodHatesTrash
October 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this
Perhaps Cain and Abel were the first Georgians, and they had sex with their mother, Eve.
Cain’s murderous nature can certainly be observed in the fundamnmentalists in Georgia, what with their lynchmobbing and warblogging.
Trash.
By Live and let Die
October 18, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
Outlaw the death penalty and let the rejects of society who can’t handle being law abiding citizens like Nichols suffer not for a short time up to a very easy and humane death. Let them suffer for a very, very long time until death incarcerated in a hole. Nichols will never feel the burning extreme pain he inflicted on his victims being shot or the emotional pain of their families in the aftermath, but he’ll have a long time to suffer before going to hell to suffer for all eternity.
/subject change
Pelosi’s most ethical congress in history just keeps having snafus and snagged lip issues. What gives? Did this story make the front page of the New York Times? Talk about letting the RAT out of the bag.
Regarding Democrats, have they started offering alternative solutions or compromises to their socialist health care plan inclusive for $80,000 households and 23 year olds who live in their parent’s basement? (Don’t give me that “child’s health care only” horse squeeze, Leninista Libs). Said 23 year olds that live at home are included in “poverty” statistics if they don’t have a full time job by the way. You won’t hear that little factoid in the Hemorrhoid Times either. But alas, when have you ever actually heard the entire truth from any leftist? They tell their side, and their side only. That’s the root cause of their hate for Fox News.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
It would seem pro life folks would want the ultimate justice, growing old and dying in prison.
But these folks are not pro life they are pro death.
They love war.
They love blowing up babies.
They love guns that kill.
The love blowing up clinics and police.
The love blowing up FBI buildings.
They love death.
By See the irony
October 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Extremist nazi lib hate pig GHT has the gall to talk about disgusting sexual references when it’s left wing ilk out there in Sanfreak sIcKo are dressing up as homosexual Christian mockeries and going to a Catholic church and taking The Host. I’m sure Hell has a special place reserved for them and GHT.
By Shar
October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Ah, Glenn @ 11:42, I appreciate the life preserver, especially after seeing Charles go over those spectacular falls before me. I’m having a hard time paddling my canoe with just one hand. I’ve got a great big stone in the other, and I just…can’t…quite….bring myself to throw it.
By The Way
October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Live and Let Blow doesn’t keep up. Fox News is now left of center. They’ve switched because the nielson families switched to left of center, moron.
Keep up. You people make monkeys out of the surrender monkey trash W made out of our troops when he ordered them to they sided stop looking for that captured marine in Sadr City, remember? Not one of you followed up with a blog about that poor sod.
How quickly your pathetic cowards who blog hate for 80% of americans, yet wouldn’t volunteer to fight a mudwrestling match with aunt bea in a burka……..ew.
Just stfu, all of you, you’re so ignorant, you’d be better off just linking photos of the skidmarks on your bvds. Maybe some message of truth about yourself will get through, somehow someway
alles muffin ze sprechen
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Dear Glenn @ 9:05, apologies, the dashes between the last half-dozen words in the URL were turned into italic-toggles by the AJC. May be easier to just go to Jim’s archives, and pull up his August 10, 2007 topic. Please feel free to jump in on the different worlds of conservatism.
Dear JK @ 11:25, you make me believe I am an indecisive, wishy-washy, touchy-feely wimp. Great argument, remind me to not do you wrong!
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
Ha, Congressman Shular, a dem, just played the pro life card in the American children’s heathcare debate.
Vote pro life gop.
I bet they don’t.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
Charles, railroading a guy onto death row, bad. Agreed. As to your touchingly forlorn nightly supplication, I just looked in the index under “Christ, first temptation of”. Seems that all of this world’s devices and institutions, and all politics, are for the time being in Satan’s gift. (I know, I know. I took the news hard too.) Alas, this “sytem of things” is just that: a system, a machine. Because the machine was wrought through inevitable human error resulting from a mix-up at headquarters immediately following the company’s Initial Offering, the machine is a fright. It bears a diabolical maker’s mark, but not the mark of the Maker. You may propose a new and improved machine, but I have it on good authority that it will still shred the innocents. So while we can pray that the judges and politicians receive divine guidance, and thereby perhaps make the machine a little gentler, even still the Law will remain, as always, the Mob in Robes, and the machine will remain in the control of him who holds the patent. At least until the patent expires, and the machine is replaced by something magnificent. And only the liberals know how to speed that day.
By See the irony
October 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this
See how getalife lies like a lib and attempts to tie total government hating anarchists like the FBI building bombers to conservatives and republicans? Quite funny I must say. His coughing drool must be dangerous on the floor by now. Please, some blogger throw getalife a snot rag.
By Charles
October 18, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Well Glenn,
Considering who and what you are, “well said”.
By JK
October 18, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Shar, my comments regarding Brian Nichols were specific to that particular man and incident, not a commentary advocating a change in arrest procedures or the rights of a suspect. He was NOT a “suspect” being arrested, he was on an active serial-killer rampage that began when, in front of many witnesses, he shot the judge, fled, and continued kiling and threatening people. HE chose the way of the sword over the way of justice. There’s nothing about this situation that is “alleged.” You kill the judge in a room full of people, your trial is over!
But now that he is alive and in custody, I say forget the death penalty. Put him in a tiny box, with two crusts and a sip of water a day until he dies. That way, if new evidence comes to light to exonorate him (like bullets didn’t really explode through the body of the court reporter, killing her where she sat), he can be released and get his old job and girlfriend back — if she’ll have him — like so many others wrongly convicted by prosecutors and cops who value conviction over truth.
By Live and let Live
October 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Fox News is now left of center. They’ve switched because the nielson families switched to left of center, moron.
Then please, by all means Lost Way, send the memo to Daily Kos, Media Matters, Democrats in congress, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, The New York Times, The Boston Globe, The Miami Herald, The Chicago Tribune, The San Francisco Chronicle, and certainly the LA Times.
If what you say is true, that should cut down at LEAST 50% of the carbon emissions of the left’s ranting about FoxNews and stop calling it the childish “Faux News.” One would think so, anyway.
What a deranged lib idiot.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
getalife, I’d like to see the venal Chuck Schumer, Honorable Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, get past jbm’s legal logic of the past 48 hours in re playing “the pro life card in the children’s healthcare debate”. Also, not to put too fine a point on it, but the Grand Old Party has better plans for children than to remand them to the twisted institutions so beloved of mercenary liberals like Schumer.
By GodHatesTrash
October 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Yes, get, the Woo-ten klanners and the assorted redneck trash that post here can’t wait for the violent end of the world - they are violent murderous animals. sociopaths and psychopaths.
Conservatism is a severe mental disorder - a death wish.
Would that these people were only suicidal, but they are homicidal too.
Trash all.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
getalife, if you’re talking about Heath Shuler, from up North, then shame on him. I thought he was better than that.
By Jack
October 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Shar. They have it on tape. No doubt. We should send him to meet his maker. Man is in charge of man, God takes over after we leave our body.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this
Glenn,
You are an idiot like ambulance chaser.
They are voting to override in the House.
Geez.
By See the irony
October 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
“How quickly your pathetic cowards who blog hate for 80% of americans,”
See how the insane left likes to tackle opposing points of view? Why let’s just all call opposing viewpoints as “hate speech.” Brilliant! You stupid liberal anal glands.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
Whaaa, a dem said something was about w’s Iraq genocide and the gop stopped the debate.
Wussies.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
GodHatesTrash…
He does not. For example, He happens to dig me. Also, unlike you, he’s funny. Or, rather, I’m funny. He’s bloody hilarious.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
See the irony,
Yes, your fascination on “anal” Craig perv.
Geez.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
Oh good, boner is up (calm down gop freaks) crying like a baby again.
Whaaaa.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
The New York Times was mentioned here. Here’s some good news regarding the Times: Morgan Stanley is bailing out of the Times. They have pulled up the anchor; withdrawn and closed the account; packed the bags and hauled A; hit the road.
Good for them. May the NY Times be the first in many left wing rat hole media outlets to suffer the fate of obscurity and insignificance.
I knew there was a reason I felt the need to move my investments to Morgan Stanley from TD Waterhouse prior to their merger with Ameritrade. God I love being Right.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
Yep, getalife, that’s more or less the kind of idiot I am. They won’t get the override, if only because the federal program evaluation all but said to shut the thing down and start over. But don’t let me keep you from your civics lesson.
P.S. WHAT THE HELL’S GOING ON WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY SUDDENLY BANDYING THE WORD “GENOCIDE” AS THOUGH IT WERE ANOTHER STREET EPITHET?
P.S. As you would say, Geez.
By See the irony
October 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
See the irony, Yes, your fascination on “anal” Craig perv.
Getalife, you are the one that brought up Craig and any gay references, not me. I just wanted someone to wipe up your blithering drool and snot, that’s all. In a non-dubious irony, perhaps I should have said to throw you a rag to wipe off something else.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
NYT RIP
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
P.S. WHAT THE HELL’S GOING ON WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY SUDDENLY BANDYING THE WORD “GENOCIDE” AS THOUGH IT WERE ANOTHER STREET EPITHET?
Glenn, they’ve been throwing the “lie” word around like it’s meaningless for quite a while now. Like children who learn new cuss words and don’t know the meaning of them. Chalk it up to liberal emotions that override rational thought. After all, “torture” to those who want to KILL US ALL to these pu$$y buttholes on the left is playing Metallica too loud.
By Shar
October 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
Oh dear. It seems that Eric Rudolph’s mom says her son is unhappy with his life without parole conditions. Late mail, small playground, no visits, censored booklist and a soiled next door neighbor have taken the bloom off the rose for Mr. Rudloph. Mom thinks that the prison officials are the ones who should be jailed. I think the regimen should be altered to add bologna sandwiches with congealed salad for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and “PeeWee’s Playhouse” endlessly looping in the cell. Forever.
How long, do you suppose, wouldit be before he begged for the death penalty we are agonizing over today?
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this
NYT RIP
Amen. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of America haters.
By Master of Flatulence
October 18, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
The AJC sports blogs are hilarious. Whenever the Falcons are mentioned, the comments devolve into an ugly race war (usually started by someone who is or is pretending to be an African American bigot). So the fighting starts and then the obligatory, “Commenting for this entry is now closed.”
At least here at Vladijim Pooten’s blog, people hate each other because of their ideas and hygiene.
By The Way
October 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this
How can tell which passenger on a plane is the gay terrorist? He’s the one light’n his loafers.
By Jack
October 18, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
The Dem’s who fill the blog with vitrol please list what the democratic congress has accomplished since taking office other than passing non-binding resolutions. (bet it’s a short list)
By Redneck Convert
October 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
I started to just snub this Captain Freedom about where all the other people come from but my friend Joe Bill told me that wouldn’t be Christian-like, even if Captain Freedom does call me all kind of names.
We all know the bible wouldn’t lie, so there must have been other people in the world besides Adam and Eve.
Well, there is problems more serious than where the other people in the world come from if Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel was the only ones to start with and Abel was kilt. Like, the bible says Adam and Eve was innocent, so how did Cain and Abel get borned? There is only one answer. Adam must of fooled around on Eve! So Cain and Abel was the first ba*tards and they probly went on welfare and had to live in a trailer before one kilt the other over some disagreement.
And here’s the kicker: Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel was the first redneck fambly! They had illegal babys that got in a fight and the police had to be called to kick them all out. Sounds like a typical redneck night to me.
By Truthifier
October 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
The Way, your joke was only mildly humorous the first time you told it at 9:44am. You don’t get a do over.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
Scream VII, yes, they speak a private language (which, incidentally, is an oxymoron.) My problem with e.g. getalife and something calling itself deegee is not that they don’t think, but that they think too much. Their minds are engines of virtue that know no rest, spinning apart for the want of oil and anchoring. They flit from place to place like peripatetic little Eleanor Roosevelts, righting wrongs in a world so unsaved as to have awaited their salvific arrival. Meanwhile mucking it up as badly as the Great Socialist Experiment in Scientific Materialism, the Long March to a murderous utopia, another Cultural Revolution of politically correct internecine snitches and scolds and professional adolescents arrested in a state if permanent rebellion against anyone who would make them eat their vegetables and mind their manners and learn their history lesson and go to church and keep their knickers on. The pipsqueaks here are merely the squeaks of a pip, but the pips they represent, their gavel-wielding heroes in the statehouses and the nation’s Capitol, think alike, and therefore have the potential in this mighty country to wreak havoc in their efforts to remake everyone in the image of themselves. Utopia is nowhere, man. And deadly dangerous.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Good luck with that, Jack.
Check this out. A reporter bullies a 70-year old man who shot and killed an intruder looking to steal from his business (good outcome for both I might say!). Waaaaah! He had a gun and used it. WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
Where do these un-American pansy liberal warts on the left come from, anyway?
That stupid woman probably would have raised hell had Nichols been shot by a do-gooder citizen at the apartment complex in Duluth he went to before surrendering.
By getalife†
October 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this
Veto overide on SCHIP vote failed 273-156.
2 dems voted with w.
Told ya, and w would use signing statements anyway because he is above the law.
By Lyrical Louie
October 18, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
There you go again, Ms. Close.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Glenn, well said. I’d just like to add that the ilk you reference to would probably also not have a problem with changing America to Sharia Law. ABBCJ: anyone but Christians & Jews. Who’d have thought that extreme Islamic Conservatism would have been a heroic benefactor of the left?
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Good point, Shar@12:52! You’re on to something. A little more from the bullhorns at the Papal Nuncio’s in Panama City and Noriega probably would’ve shot himself with his service pistol, at great savings to U.S. taxpayers!
By anonymous
October 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this
Scream VII — Yes, let the NY Times wither away into obscurity while you engage in stimulating intellectual growth via the AJC’s decorating tips and Peach Buzz.
See The Irony — You’re right, those of a liberal point of view are quick to pile on the views of those who are more conservative, but it also works in reverse. Different sides of a coin and equally pointless.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
6.5 billion people on earth, and one idiot self identifed failed lawyer is burdening Jack with idiotic opinions on the death penalty - JMB, you idiot, why did you plead Jack guilty to murdering Liberty? Is JMB trying to kill Jack? At least DUI school is almost over, Jack just wants the keys to his pickup truck back so he can git out of town before Al Cutie lets all the water out of lake lanier and altoona. Could the Armmmy Corpse of Eingineers be Al Cutie operatives? Naw, they be too dumb, they must be innocent patsies. When the Hooch runs dry, where is all the s hi t going to go? Now you see why Jack is getting out of town……. Jack Out and Off
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
Dear Scream VII @ 12:50, your argument suggests you have already seen it, but for the rest of our conservative friends we ought to urge perusal of Chairman Ann’s essay today, the recent history of leftist scams, which pointedly excludes anything related to An Inconvenient Truth.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
Told ya, and w would use signing statements anyway because he is above the law.
What a soreass loser. Congress woke the f up. There is still hope for this nation from turning to pure dependent government socialism.
Fix it and resend, liberal pinko goons.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Redneck Convert, you’re humorously close to The Cotton Patch Bible, a charming paraphrase in dialect (I suppose you’d call it a parody), set along the Hooch instead of the Jordan. If you haven’t seen it I recommend it to you, in view of your talent for satire.
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
Dear Glenn @ 1:14, O’Rourke would not have said it better or funnier.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this
let the NY Times wither away into obscurity while you engage in stimulating intellectual growth via the AJC’s decorating tips
anonymous - the NYT became an insignificant and partisan hack rag after Election 2000. In case you hadn’t heard, there is a new media out there. The Times used to be a respectable and objective news outlet.
Good riddance. I’m sure the terrorists will miss them too.
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
Dear Jack is back @ 1:26, technically it was nolo contendere.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this
Jack here: Day 1, Hour 12: The pressure is on, the hooch is running dry, and you know what is building up for a really big explosion of s hi t! Some four million really fat people live and flush in Atlanta, and you know how much fat people s hi t, explosively. Al Cutie must be behind the draining of the semi twin lakes, otherwise the Governor would have taken action six years ago to ensure the Federal Fools did not drain the lakes in times of severe draught, like, like, like now. Surely, surely Sonny is no fool, therefore he must be an Al Cutie operative. Sonny of the Pink Panties is an Al Cutie! Jack out
By anonymous
October 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
Scream, you are a scream! Everyone I know (all educated, well-travelled, and succesful people in a variety of professional endeavors) start their day reading the New York Times. But hey, you can dismiss them just as my friends and I dismiss FOX “News.” Check out the AJC’s sharp reporting today on John Goodman checking out rehab, the sexiest man in Duluth, and various high school homecoming events.
By Jim Wooten
October 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
You guys are arguing too much. Can’t we all just get along? I’d like for my blog to be taken seriously and not to be seen as a place for people with serious anger management issues to vent their frustrations. Thanks for your help in this matter.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this
Charles @ 12:19, that is the damnedest back-handed compliment I ever saw. Felicidades
By Jim Wooten
October 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this
That wasn’t Jim Wooten or his name would have appeared in blue.
See, I can do it, too.
By Not Jim Wooten @ 1:46pm
October 18, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this
Good for you Jim Wooten at 1:48pm. I guess you busted me huh?! I mean, I really did think that people would seriously think the post was by the real Jim Wooten. Some of you guys are just too darn smart for my antics.
By Peter
October 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Come on Folks the Wrongs speak with forked tongues……… the most money spent in the budget is for WAR……
That is basically for killing who they want, when they want…… no morals involved, so how could one think the WRONGS are not for the death penalty ????
Christianity does not enter the picture, remember the Forked tongues that spout stuff, for instance your religious leader who stated we should “Take out the President of Columbia”……
But this is one place I actually agree with the wrongs…..FRY them if they commit a horrendous crime on innocent folks……why waste our tax money keeping creeps alive ????
Please ALL leave the Redneck Convert to his own devices…..
He is the funniest guy on this blog, and makes funny sense of all your silliness !!!
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
OK, Jim, it’s your ball. But diatribe’s an art form, a right respectable member of the belletristic community. It’s just that some of us aren’t very good at it. As the folks here say, chalk it up to the GA school system.
P.S. Some AJC castaways washed up on these shores earlier this week with serious concerns about healthcare. They got euthanized. Same with the education reformers last week.
By Danger Will Robinson
October 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this
Careful with your romancing of Glenn Close jbmlaw. It didn’t work out so well for Michael Douglas.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
Everyone I know (all educated, well-travelled, and succesful people in a variety of professional endeavors) start their day reading the New York Times.
anonymous: Everyone I know (all at least MBA level and six figure income earners, some with seven figure homes) start their day with the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times. The Times to them is like the AJC: a partisan hackrag.
As stated, the NYT won’t be missed in my camp. Good riddance.
By anonymous
October 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this
My friends are 8 digit income earners! So there. Na na na na boo boo.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this
“Mark Penn, the pollster and senior strategist of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, predicted Thursday that nearly a quarter of Republican women would defect from the GOP if the New York senator is the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008.” - AJC
Now THAT is laughable. The AJC is taking the words of a Hillarity pollster and strategist’s word on that wishful thinking. What’s that old saying? Oh yeah: tell a lie often enough, long enough, and loud enough, and eventually even the liar will believe it to be true.
To think I was just deriding the NY Times!
By Glenn Close
October 18, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Some folks need killin’.
By Robbie the Robot
October 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Fortunately Will Robinson’s not one of them.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this
Some folks need killin’.
Like who, Close? Be specific and the reasoning. I assume it’s not just because you disagree with what they say. A couple of friends of mine are interested in what you posted.
Speak up, clown.
By Ha ha.
October 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this
Scream’s not keeping up.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Most fake bombs missed by screeners; 75% not detected at LAX; 60% at O’Hare
Aren’t these government employees now? And to think liberal democrocks want to put government employees in charge of our health care. Pathetic.
Maybe that’s an example of a “fixed” government that getalife relentlessly babbles about. After all, if post-9/11 memory serves me correctly, it was a democrock’s idea to federalize airport security in the name of “professionalism.”
Remember what Hillary said indirectly: government is the answer to everything.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
Scream’s not keeping up.
That’s what I thought. You fool nobody with your veiled threats on this blog. Lib.
By Ha ha
October 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
That’s what I thought. You fool nobody with your veiled threats on this blog. Lib.
It was apparently an inside joke with another poster, tough guy. Is that you John Wayne, is this me?
By Ha ha
October 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this
That’s what I thought. You fool nobody with your veiled threats on this blog. Lib.
It was apparently an inside joke with another poster, tough guy. Is that you John Wayne, is this me?
By Rodney Nobody
October 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
Or, are Glenn Close and Screech VIIII the same person? That would be bloody brilliant.
By Glenn Close
October 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Meet you in the back lot, John. Let’s make some licketysplit device for dispatching the ravenous predators among us. Bang Done.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this
It was apparently an inside joke with another poster, tough guy.
I’m just merely regurgitating what the left does on this blog when they read something from a conservative that they feel is a veiled threat against them. A “joke” to you can get you in jail.
[sarcasm off]
That is exactly how stupid you liberals come across when you read something you don’t like here and attempt to turn it into hate speech or threats and worthy of being arrested.
Take a walk. Lib.
Pansy.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Jack Here: Day 1, Hour 13: Some people owe their lives to the fact there be a law against killing them, idiots like that would be lawyer JMN who pleaded jack guilty to murder rather than dui! Things did not work out too good for that lawyer Fisk who tried to screw Glenn Close on that boob tube show, but his kind needed killin! Oh, the hooch really needs flushing, that white paper pulp is showing. Jack Out of Jail for Now
By Captain Freedom
October 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Like Mr Shriek, THE Captain’s friends and acquaintances are, to a man, at least endowed with an MBA or other higher degree; makes at least a 6-figure income (but most make more); drive cars that are nicer than everyone else’s car; belong to only the nicest clubs; have wives who have bigger teats and nicer as$es than anybody else’s wife; have children who are all above average and will attend Ive League schools or better; and have bigger Manhoods than anyone else in the locker room.
And of this splendid cast of supporting characters, THE Captain looms large and tall.
THE Captain believes that, perhaps, this Shrieking fellow is perhaps not as he claims, but is instead attempting to mock the True Belief Common Sense Conservatives posting on this august forum.
Sister Dusty…regarding theology again, and in deference to your superior understanding thereof:
If God is all-powerful, can he create an object so massive that he himself cannot lift it? If he did, would he then be able to lift it if he re-absorbed the other parts of the Trinity to augment His awesome power?
By Southern Democrat
October 18, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
I see the discussion has gone somewhat askew, but I must pause to point out the hilarity of Scream VII pointing out TSA and DHS as examples of DEMOCRATS’ obsession with government notwithstanding. Perhaps “all of your friends with MBAs and six-figure salaries” can discuss who established the largest bureacracy in history. Better yet, you could ask an underpaid high school political science teacher.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Ooooh, Captain, is that God in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this
Captain Freedom - Just as Jack suspected, God is a comic book, and not a very good one at that, more of a green lantern in a Superman world.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this
THE Captain believes that, perhaps, this Shrieking fellow is perhaps not as he claims
Captain Mutiny - you don’t have to get jealous. Calm down. Perhaps I oversold my counterpoint to anonymous’ comment that everyone she knows is successful and reads the NY Times. To be completely honest here, not everyone I know makes six figure salaries and has MBAs. In the fairness of diversity, I know several miserable b!tchy liberal democrats; some, unfortunately, I am related to.
Just wanted to be fair and correct the record.
But thanks for taking so much time out of your busy schedule and pointing that out, Captain Mutant.
By Dusty Baker, er, rather Darth Vader
October 18, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
I sense a disturbance in The Force today. Could it be that TFTT is really a lucid, intelligent person and is posting under another name today, like maybe Screech? Huh, could it?
Nah.
By Captain Freedom
October 18, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this
THE Captain offers an approving nod as Mr Shriek lower the volume to Girly Squeal in admitting that he lied about his fabulous life in his earlier post.
Shriek, I know it is difficult to humble yourself, but rest easy in the knowledge that you humbled yourself to THE Captain, and as that is the natural order of things, you need feel no shame. For this episode, at least.
And no Dusty, that is not God in my pocket. It is God’s gift to women.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this
Perhaps “all of your friends with MBAs and six-figure salaries” can discuss who established the largest bureacracy in history.
Point well taken, Southern Dem. Point well taken. That’s one of the reasons why the Republicans lost, irrespective of the fact a lot of that bloating was for fighting terrorism of course.
But I’ll wager you that only one political party believes more in government solutions than private solutions. Shall we start with which party started raising so much hell against a partial privatization of social security? (Oh yeah, and good luck to you taxpayers who will see a tax increase next year!). Gotta run, but will be back later before the blog closes.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this
Jack was an MBA student once, but Jack go confused on that PV equation and kept puting nRT after the equals sign. Jack could not remember PV means one thing to dim witted business types, and something entirely different to great and glorious Ei-gen-eers. So Jack switched to whiskey, and now it all makes sense!
By jbmlaw
October 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
Did you guys see this democrat voice of reason, in the house override debate:
“Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you’re telling us today? Is that how you’re going to fund the war? You don’t have money to fund the war or children. But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president’s amusement” http://breitbart.tv/html/6912.html
By God Calling Jack
October 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
(low, mountainous voice rumbling) JAAAACCCKKKKK - the worm-hole portal is open - follow the light. (Although to be engineerically correct, light cannot escape from a worm-hole, black-hole or an a*******hole).
(mountainous voice continues) JAAACCCCKKK, just follow the bread crumbs I dropped…
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Captain Freedom @ anytime,
I’m busy raising my genius children, riding in my rolls, counting my millions, directing the servants and SOMEBODY ELSE USED MY ID@2:53.
As to your theology, geology or ideology, dear Captain, I cannot determine the depths of your indeterminate dogma. Please call back later. My tennis instructor is waiting at the Club.
PS.If you have God’s gift for women, it must be one of those delightful Twixt bars.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this
Jack urges a National strike by all good people to end the war in Iraq, and to force the Chimp to resign. Jack selects the date of November 19 for a one week strike to end the war and fire the chimp, with the strike to continue until the war has ended and the Chimp is history. Make it so
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
God calling Jack,@3:51
I think you misunderstood. He said” Shut up, PoFo.”
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
Jack to God: P i ss Off. Jack Out
By deegee
October 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
What does the USA have in common with Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Iran, The Palestinian Authority, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, Pakistan and China? We execute for ordinary crimes. Israel executes only for crimes committed under military law or crimes committed in exceptional circumstances. Why has the Judeo-Christian world community abolished the death penalty while we retain it?
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-countries-eng
By Aquagirl
October 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
But I’ll wager you that only one political party believes more in government solutions than private solutions.
Would that be the party whose President pimped the Medicare drug benefit? That makes SCHIP look like chump change. Pseudo-conservatives cry about insuring 23 year olds, but Bush can subsidize grandma’s dramamine for her cruise—with nary a peep from y’all.
By getalife
October 18, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this
OBL just bombed Pakistan on Bhutto’s return with thousands in the streets.
Two bombs with one caught tape.
How is that OBL amnesty working out for you wingnuts?
Damn. Way to go w.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
Jack to Arti, Jack to Arti: Fire mission: Coordinates: Dusty Diry, God Calling Jack - Fire for effect, fire for effect
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
I’m baaaack!
Would that be the party whose President pimped the Medicare drug benefit?
Aquanut, who the hell ever said Bush was a conservative Republican? The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
“One of the worst things to happen to this country besides the war.” - Harry Reid on the victory in congress today against socialist advancement
Well, I suppose 3,000 dead on 9/11 means nothing to the liberal democrock four-eyed sock puppet. What a pathetic miserable failure of democrockery leadership.
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
To see the works of the Chimp and his idiot supporters like Dirt Woman, visit this site: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/65513/
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
So, who among us thinks it’s acceptable to hand out condoms and birth control pills to 11-14 year old girls in public schools? Any of you liberals on the socialist left think that wouldn’t be added eventually to free health care for all? What’s next? Free trans-sexual surgery? Of course. Enough is enough already!
“Dirt woman.”
Ooooooh. That’s “Hate speech” against Dusty. I think her civil rights have been violated. SUE DUSTY! SUE! Sue them for hate speech and preaching violence!
[lib sarc off]
By Jack is Back
October 18, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
Jack is a mean drunk—————-
By Columbia Sophomore
October 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Peter @ 1:53, did you say that our C-in-C “said that ‘We should take out the President of Columbia’”? Did one of you really mean the President of Columbia, or the President of Colombia? Either way, it’s far too drastic. Everyone would be better off if the two of them simply swapped places.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this
Wow. A tornado or two just hit Pensacola, FL. Send Republican sellout Joe Scarborough to the area for MSNBC. I can’t wait for him to blame the tornado on global warming. Gore’s hurricanes got snuffed out, but not tornadoes man!
“Yeah. We called him an idiot in 1992, we Republicans, and about 16 years later, we agree with him.” - Joe Scarborough on Al Gore
Speak for yourself, as-shole.
By God Calling Jack
October 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
(after consulting with night manager in Hell) JJJAAACCCKKK - got some open space in the Hitler/Stalin wing down in you-know-where. Brimstone bed turned down for your convenience…melted mint on pillow…
(sizzle, crackle,…,faint screams of unrepentant liberals)
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Time Warp! It’s Cindy Sheehan in 2037 as the world’s oldest blogger!
By Glenn Gilbert
October 18, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
Who is Glenn Close, and why is she rehearsing my screenplay? Scream @ 2:09, were you addressing me, and my admittedly clownish morning reference to the Outlaw Josie Wales? If you’re daring me to answer the question of who precisely needs killin’, I’ll specify an example: Chester Stiles, who unfortunately was found alive in Nevada a few days ago and arrested for videotaping himself raping a three year-old girl and then failing to have the guts to kill himself. If you want me to give your friends an all-purpose killin’ calculus fer who gets it and who don’t, I’ll have to resort here to Mr. Justice Potter Stewart’s “I know it when I see it,” or, better, Satchmo’s “Man, if you don’ know, I can’t tellya.” Has nothing to do with homicidal tendencies toward those who disagree with me. On the contrary, I’m a bloomin’ connoiseur of the fright wigs of Barnum&Bailey, and the painted Frenchman in the overcoat at the NewAgey Cirque du Soleil is a barrel o’ monkeys. They deserve to be protected species.
By No Laughing Matter
October 18, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
The GA Supreme Court has stayed Alderman’s execution until the US Supreme Court rules on the constitutionality of lethal injections. Putting aside the inexcusable 33 year delay, I think that was the appropriate thing to do. It would be hard to justify executing a man by a means that was about to be reviewed by the top court in the land. If they uphold the method, schedule it as soon as humanly possible after the decision comes down.
By Aquagirl
October 18, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
Aquanut, who the hell ever said Bush was a conservative Republican?
Golly, maybe other Conservative Republicans? Really, when the Republican party agrees to nominate him for their presidential candidate, he’s a Republican. Seems pretty simple.
Whether you like it or not, Scream, he’s the head of the Republican Party. I didn’t see the Republican Party disclaiming him at either inaugaration. So if you’re a Republican…he’s your leader.You like to jabber about tax-and-spend big government Democrats, you don’t get to just say “oh, that doesn’t count when Bush does it.” Trust me, your kids will want to use that phrase when they’re paying for his socialized medicine plan.
Too bad Republicans only now figured out he’s an incompetent. The rest of us knew that long ago.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
Lame liberals are loose today!
Peter @ 1:53
“the budget(USA) is for WAR….that is basicly for killing who they want, when they want.” This is how liberals support the military during WAR.
Deegee@4:08
“We (USA)execute for ordinary crimes.” Yeah, we go out in the streets and drag ‘em in to execute.
I’m supposed to call these people “patriots”? For what country?
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
Not Laughing @ 5:05, agreed.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this
No, Deegee, you’re supposed to call them “genocidal”.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
Anyone remember when Jimmy Carter promised that if elected he’d give us a budget in which the U.S. spent more on public education than on defense? (It was a gambit borrowed from his old boss Adm. Rickover.) I seem to recall that in his last budget he succeeded. And now here we all are reaping the rewards of that visionary investment in the NEA!
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
“Really, when the Republican party agrees to nominate him for their presidential candidate, he’s a Republican. Seems pretty simple.”
Aquanut, like his father, he ran on that platform. And, like his father, he failed to uphold that platform. If you don’t remember, that’s what cost his father re-election in 1992. The only thing that has kept Bush II alive in true Conservative land was his stance on low taxes and not being a candya-ss like his predecessor on radical Islamic terrorism. Hint: not all of those 78% disapprovers are liberal democrats.
Too bad Republicans only now figured out he’s an incompetent. The rest of us knew that long ago.
He was still a better alternative than EITHER candidate in 2000 and 2004. Besides, I’m better off now than I was under the Clinton administration, and as an individual voter, that’s ALL that matters to me. Wipe your own backside, libs.
Trust me, your kids will want to use that phrase when they’re paying for his socialized medicine plan.
I must be dreaming. An obvious flaming liberal who probably said NOTHING about Hillary’s $5,000 for every kid and her plans on universal health care for all is worried about PAYING for something down the road. HAH!
[snap, I’m awake]
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
And now, a real funny cartoon that won’t be published in the AJC or NYT.
By deegee
October 18, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Glenn, don’t be so pithy, it’s not your style.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this
I’m trying, deegee dear.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this
Bigtime, MASSIVE disappointment! Owlgore is NOT running for president. Just damn. I mean just damn. Dag nabbit! I was so looking forward to him jumping into the Shrillary Rodham fray.
The title here is Get Over It: Gore’s Not Running. I’ve got an even better idea: how about you moonbats on the left FREAKING GET OVER 2000.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this
Scream, cartoon’s a scream.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A young Muslim couple tried to speed off when Malaysian police caught them making out in their car but got into an accident, causing a five-car pile up, a report said Wednesday.
Gee, young lovebirds risk killing themselves or others so they won’t get caught as unmarried lovers. I mean, what’s the worst that can happen in Muslim land besides a good old fashioned throat slitting?
By Aquagirl
October 18, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this
The only thing that has kept Bush II alive in true Conservative land was his stance on low taxes and not being a candya-ss like his predecessor on radical Islamic terrorism.
Bush signed that bill in 2003, but for some reason idiot Republicans and their enablers still trumpeted about him being for lower taxes. Here is a wingnut who pushed for a huge socialized medicine benefit, and Republicans still said he was for lower taxes and smaller government? At least Democrats weren’t dumb enough to believe that fairy tale. What a bunch of dumb@%$es anyone was who voted for him. Reality was right in front of your face.
*Besides, I’m better off now than I was under the Clinton administration, and as an individual voter, that’s ALL that matters to me. *
Yep, true rape the voters for what you can get kinda Republican. Who cares that younger voters are stuck with the spiraling cost from this white GOP elephant? You’re wiping your backside with other taxpayers.
At least Democrats admit they want your whole paycheck, they don’t lie about being for “individual responsibility” while buying a whole chunk of old people off.
BTW, I’m Libertarian…formerly a Republican/conservative before wingnuts took over the party. There’s no such thing as a real conservative or Republican in the upper levels of the party anymore…just a bunch of theocratic money wasters. Why you think I’m liberal because I don’t support them is beyond me.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Speakers who can’t count votes don’t last long. Today Pelosi just took another step closer to getting replaced by her own caucus. And here just yesterday she was quoted bragging about what she will or will not permit next year. “Next year there will be no bill to…” As if she alone could introduce a bill. Ridiculous. Here she is Speaker, and she’s still a piker.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Besides, I’m better off now than I was under the Clinton administration, and as an individual voter, that’s ALL that matters to me. - Me @ 5:26
I thought for sure that would have sent some liberal panties in a collectivist wad: “you selfish greedy Republicon!”
I mean, that’s the question I was asked in 1992 by the Clinton camp: “Are you better off now than your were 4 years ago?”
Hell YES. And the four years prior to that, and four years prior to that, and on and on and on back to my date of birth for God’s sake.
Then of course we have the scaremonger media indoctrinating everyone into thinking how bad off everything is in the economy. Just wait until we REALLY go in the crapper under Impress Hillary. Oh hell, it will be the best times ever! 11% unemployment like the Carter days! Weeeeee!
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Listen to this liberal congressman jackass rant and rave:
Congressman Stark Raving Mad says Bush gets off on seeing heads get blown of. What a disgusting PIG. What a pathetic miserable liberal ahole.
By The Way
October 18, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
How can you tell what airline passenger is a gay terrorist? he’s the one light’n his loafers.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this
Hey jbm, there’s your unabashed Rawlsian: Scream @ 5:26 & 5;58.
Go, Scream!
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
Bush signed that bill in 2003, but for some reason idiot Republicans and their enablers still trumpeted about him being for lower taxes.
Aqua, if Bush didn’t enact lower taxes, then tell me what all your beloved Democrats have been talking about for the past YEAR over “reversing Bush’s tax cuts.” You’ve got your wires crossed somewhere in false logic.
Who cares that younger voters are stuck with the spiraling cost from this white GOP elephant?
How many times since 2004 have you heard about the deficit being reduces due to said lowered taxes above? Oh my bad, you probably only read the NYT.
Here’s the latest and greatest of many success stories. Funny, you libs said the same thing in the 1980s during Reagan’s Cold War buildup, yet MAGICALLY said deficits disappeared under Clinton!
BTW, I’m Libertarian
Based upon what I’ve read of your postings, I’d say your eyes are brown, Aqua.
You fool nobody but yourself, lib.
By Dusty
October 18, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this
Scream VII @5:59
I agree with you totally. That is about the worst speech I have ever heard in Congress. I hope everybody watches the video of that crazy Pete Stark (D) from California saying that the president sends our young people off to get their heads blown off for his amusement. That is exactly what he bellowed in Congress for the whole world to hear.
This man should be removed as quickly as possible. I don’t believe that liberals would even defend somebody that low.
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Scream, the somewhat incredible Fortney “Pete” Stark, California’s answer to Cynthi McKinney until McKinney recently registered to vote in the Golden State, has not lived in his district in California, nor anywhere in California, for years. The residents of the address he lists as his home have lived there for years, and never have met their absentee landlord Mr. Stark. Best I can tell, there is not a single authentic thing about that will o’ the wisp.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this
This man should be removed as quickly as possible. I don’t believe that liberals would even defend somebody that low.
Don’t bank on it, Dusty. We have seen how the disgusting left lies about what Rush says on the senate floor, so don’t put it paste these rage-filled hall monkeys on the left to stand up straight.
The residents of the address he lists as his home have lived there for years, and never have met their absentee landlord Mr. Stark.
Glenn, it comes as no surprise that no media pit bull outlet like the New York Times has failed to investigate the matter.
If those people on the left get total control of this nation, God help us all.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this
US $851,100.00!!!
That’s how much the LETTER OF DEMOCRAT LIES AND SIGNATURES is going for on eBay!
EAT IT UP GOOD LIBS!
By Glenn
October 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
For that matter, reading the NYT you’d think that Max Cleland threw himself on an enemy grenade and saved his comrades, earning countless commendations and a DD214 as long as your arm. They’re still laughing about that one from Ketchikan to Kuhio Bay, from Puerto Rico to Pago Pago. For all its intrepid war correspondents, the Times can’t seem to keep anyone on the editorial staff who respects the military enough to learn anything about it.
By Scream VII
October 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
Sorry for the triple negative at 6:36.. I meant to say:
“Glenn, it comes as no surprise that no media pit bull outlet like the New York Times has attempted to investigate the matter.”
Where’d all the scared liberal skirts go? Am I that scary with facts? Oh yeah. This blog is closed.
BOO!