Thinking Right

By TW

October 19, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

If this were the sixties, the death toll for our soldiers in Iraq would be approaching 30,000….

By Wyatt

October 19, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Illegal aliens are jeopardizing the financial health of Grady hospital.

31% of dialysis patients are illegal aliens and they probably consitute a higher percentage of emergency room patients at Grady.

Illegal aliens are endangering the health care options of US citizens.

I personally have been to the ER at Emory hospital and had to wait in line behind a dozen or so Hispanics. Maybe all of them were not illegal, but many of them are. They are using the ER room to get treated for sore throats while I needed care for a heart condition.

I have also witnessed the long lines of Hispanics at a local health clinic. Again, I’m sure that many of them were in the country illegally. They are taking health care resources away from local residents.

By Rod

October 19, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

The quote from Bob Jones, III deserves a few more comments. He says: “This is all about beating Hillary.” That’s all it is. He is a devout Southern Baptist - they believe that women have absolutely no place in a power position over men. The SBC does not allow women preachers or deacons - because they would be over men - so therefore, he is against a woman President.

Being against Hillary is just because Bob Jones, III has an extremely perverted view of God - as a sexist bigot. His opinions on anything aren’t worth the time of day.

By Osama

October 19, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Hello

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

By Richard

October 19, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Gimme a break! Bob Jones is nothing but a religious zealot at a two-bit school. If that’s Romney’s best endorsement, he might as well pull out now!

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 19, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

Just a few observations on today’s Thinking Right.

As to ethanol production…seems as though I remember Georgie Bush talking about hydrogen powered vehicle research. Guess that got washed away by the flood in the aftermath of Katrina?!?

The Jack Alderman case…a memorial to the idiocy of the 20th century.

The Michael Vick case…the idiocy continues.

Internet taxes…read my lips… “I never met a tax that most politicians didn’t like!” It is just a matter of time, Jim, just a matter of time.

Lottery tickets, horse races, and sub-prime lenders. In the first two cases they tell you up front they are going to beat you. In the last instance, they smile and say, “Let me help you.” Yep, I’m for the death penalty!

By SharonH

October 19, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Bob Jones…..Bob Jones……Isn’t that the school that until about 5 years ago forbid interracial dating? THAT Bob Jones? This is the guy who is giving out endorsements and you dare to invoke conservatism and values in the same paragaph with him? Yeah, if I were on your team Jim, he’s the guy I’d want to serve as my moral barometer. Racist and sexist all wrapped in one convenient package. Mitt Romney must be celebrating.

Come to think of it, he does embody right wing ideals.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

In order of your items:

• Well duh.

• Ok. with you on ethanol production, it’s a waste, as currently configured. Take Iowa out of the front of the primary pack and you fix that problem.

• Racial solidarity continues among a historically oppressed people. Unsurprisingly, this frightens you.

• More bigoted morsels for the cheap seats. You folks didn’t mind “those people” building and maintaining the structures when all that growin’ was going on, but now that the workforce is living here…

• You’re complaining about rash, undiplomatic messages? Tell your Chimp to stop lying about what Iran’s president said about “destroying Israel” (he never said any such thing), and maybe I’ll listen.

• Feh. Any GDoT commish appointed by a Gooper is gonna stink.

• Romney? Pro-“life”? he’s a bloodthirsty goon. But hey, congrats on cutting a deal with the Head Fundie; I await the death-cage matchup as Judy Ruliani continues to surge forward as the Gooper candidate, leaving the anti-choicers fscrewn again.

• Lottery tickets are a tax on the poor, foolish, and desperate. Figures you’d applaud an increase in their sales.

Toodles!

By KR

October 19, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Bob Jones?? Congratulations Jim! You’ve completely lost your mind. There’s a padded cell and a straight-jacket with your name on it just waiting for you…

Farrakhan forgot one description of Vick: “super stupid.” A weak mind (such as Farrakhan’s) always resorts to the race card rather than accept facts as they exist.

By KR

October 19, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Bob Jones?? Congratulations Jim! You’ve completely lost your mind. There’s a padded cell and a straight-jacket with your name on it just waiting for you…

Farrakhan forgot one description of Vick: “super stupid.” A weak mind (such as Farrakhan’s) always resorts to the race card rather than accept facts as they exist.

By Aquagirl

October 19, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

The Christian Conservatives (a term used very loosely) have begun the inevitable split of the Republican party.

I hope they are successful in getting Romney the nomination. Hillary will wipe the floor with him, and maybe the real Republicans will realize they’re covered in hateful cross-shaped leeches. Let the Bob Jones’ and Sadie Fields of the world start their own party.

Farrakhan? Ugh. Another so-called leader of African Americans offering a scary window into nutland. At least he didn’t challenge the spelling abilities of his followers as Cynthia McKinney’s idiot father did. There are some of ‘em still trying to piece together J-E-W-S into a coherent word.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

KR’s wisdom:

A weak mind (such as Farrakhan’s) always resorts to the race card

Eh. Birds of a feather. I think the Woo-tans of this world pay more heed to Farrakhan than do actual citizens who aren’t already NoI members (and what kind of a flock does Louis even boast these days?).

And guys—white guys?—enough with that “race card” schtick, ‘K? It’s old. You gripe about “the race card” every time race is mentioned by an African American. New material, please.

By Pam

October 19, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Jim:

Your comment on ethanol must refer to corn ethanol. I hope that most understand that cellulosic ethanol and thermo-chemically produced ethanol can not be characterized as water intensive at all.

Regarding subsidies: Shall I review the myriad of subsidies given to the petroleum industry?!!!!

Jim, I admire and appreciate you but you must acknowledge that we are in a global economic, political, and environmental mess that requires immediate and decisive action to find alternative sources. Even if that were not serious enough, there is tremendous economic development potential for Georgia for pine to energy ethanol. (Lots of studies on that Jim- start with a call to UGA or Georgia Forestry Commission.)

Luv ya Jim- but energy is a little more complicated than the one- liners can explain.

By LaughOfTheYear

October 19, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

Expect one declaring Salman Rushdie to be the Poet Laureate of American Forces in Iraq. Anything to help

Best humorous post Jim Wooten has ever done. Does he do stand-up as well?

Where’s the House Resolution about America’s Genocide of Native Americans?

By Confusius

October 19, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Confusius think these things dont mix well: 1. Rednecks and booze…..2. Rappers and drugs……3. Quarterbacks and Dogs…..4. Illegals and clinics…..5. Congress and taxes…..5. allies and skeletons…..6. university chancellors and the constitution……7. American dream and lotteries.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

LotY gave us:

Where’s the House Resolution about America’s Genocide of Native Americans?

Probably not the best use of their time, but it’s fine by me if they choose to pass such a measure.

Meanwhile, is anyone going to tell me why Commander P!ssypants is allowed to lie about Iran in order to gin up support for war?

Didn’t we see this film already?

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Hey,

Bob Jones University is a religious school. If you don’t like it, don’t go there.

What the president of that university said is still applicable acrosss the board. The idea was to vote for someone who represents conservative American beliefs. I don’t see anything wrong with that statement no matter who says it.

What kind of American president do YOU want? Somebody that does not represent the “beliefs” as represented in our Constitution? The Bob Jones President specifically said that religious beliefs were not the basis for judging a presidential candidates qualifications. Did some of you miss that?

Ok, maybe you want an atheistic, anti-American, socialistic, bigoted candidate. I don’t.

Romney displays none of the above charactistics but he is not my choice for anything at present. But the president of Bob Jones University can favor anyone he wants. We still have a free country and free speech.

By Just the Facts Please

October 19, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

New York Times - February 28, 2000

Gov. George W. Bush expressed regret today for not speaking out against racial and religious intolerance during a visit to Bob Jones University in South Carolina, an appearance that has come to haunt his campaign and challenge his claim to being a new kind of conservative eager to expand the Republican Party’s appeal to all voters.

In a letter to Cardinal John O’Connor, the Roman Catholic archbishop of New York, and in a news conference this afternoon in Austin, Tex., Mr. Bush said that he had erred by not clearly separating himself from some of the anti-Catholic and racially discriminatory sentiments that have been associated with the university, a conservative Christian institution.

By spaceman109

October 19, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

hello everyone :)

jim thinks the marketplace should price water and distribute profits equally among all customers. apparently, jim was not thinking clearly when he made that statement. allow me to clarify. corn, gold, platinum, and oil are examples of commodities. water is an essential resource, NOT a commodity. without it, quslity of life degrades quickly (for instance, being unable to flush toilets or take regular showers.)

and here’s a water-saving tip…if you are not washing your hair, it is jsut as effective to run water in the sink and get cleaned up. this approach uses far less water compared to a full shower.

this week we learned that vice president cheney and barack obama share an ancestor from eight generations ago….and that ancestor was from….FRANCE!!! gasp one supposes that jim was too personally devastated to mention such delicious political irony. when one considers the extreme hatred and venom which moonbat conservatives have hurled at france, any argument that one cannot pick one’s ancestors is hereby ruled invalid.

it is a consistent source of amusement that moonbat conservatives vehemently insist that gommint cannot do anything right, yet they think gommint will suddenly do everything right when dealing with illegal immigration. for instance, the social security adminitration letters to employers.

i am still awaiting a workable answer to this question….if we were to get rid of all the illegal immigrants tomorrow….who would help pick the fruits and vegetables? such work is way too hot, dirty and physical for americans. the pay, even if it were tripled, would renders most americans unable to afford that 300,000-dollar house and the 4.72 vehicles in the driveway and the 10.426 big-screen tv’s in the house.

it will be entertaining to see what shiny new and neato entitlement program hillary clinton comes up with next week. that women scares me. she is a hard-core ideologue who fails to understand the economic impact of the drastic rise in taxes that she will doubtless try to ram through congress. i would rather have my head cut off by some islamic jihadist shrieking allahu akbar than to vote for her.

unfortunately, the republicans have no apparently agenda other than to say that they are not democrats. sorry folks….you need to do a lot better than that.

By Ludicrously Lickspittle Lapdog Lyrical Louie

October 19, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Now, let’s see, my brothers and sisters. What truly is this thing The Man calls a “race card.” This “card” is said to be “played”. Things that are “played” are played in games, such as the Olympic “games” of the Europeans. The Olympic “games” began with a…race! I assssk you, my sweet people, WHICH RACE? WHOSE GAME?

Now go, and sin no more, against each other.

By Confusius

October 19, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Confusius say, “Candidate missing waistband will turn country into wasteland”

By Southern Democrat

October 19, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

The irony, of course, is that the Republicans’ best chance of winning this election is the John McCain of 2000, who probably would have won in a landslide. A “maverick” politician with a proven-track record who suffered unquantifiably for his country and gave his life to public service, McCain was the perfect candidate.

Unfortunately, smear politics at their lowest form brought Senator McCain down, have embittered him more than the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese could, and left him pandering to a party base that moves further and further away from its ideals.

The fact that Republicans are now willing to endorse a candidate based largely on his ability to defeat a presumed opponent shows how far afield the party is from its principles.

Dusty @ 9:18,

The president of Bob Jones University, a religious school led by a preacher, actually CANNOT say whatever he wants. You have forgotten about the OTHER parts of the First Amendment.

By Get it Right

October 19, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

The “Bush Lies” schtick is getting pretty stale and has been proven wrong so many times. I suppose video of the Hitler of Iran stating that Israel needs to be wiped from the face of the earth is the same thing as our President lying about it. Try to find something with some facts behind it, then we can talk…

By Redneck Convert

October 19, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

I know a guy that won the lottery. He was on TV and was asked what he planned to do with the $10 million. He said he was going to buy a double-wide and a new pickup truck. After that, you’re set for life.

Anyway, I don’t see why people fool with the lottery. You got the stock market that’s the biggest gamble in the world and very respecktable. At least you know what your chances are of winning the lottery or any other gambling game. But nobody can figure out what’s going to happen in the stock market. Even the experts. In the morning you read that the stock market is set to open much higher. In the p.m. the market is down 400 points. People sell their stock if somebody in a company gets a hangnail. They buy stock big-time if some co. announces a big profit or the price of oil goes down for a day or the guvmint cuts a intrust rate. The whole U.S. of A. is run by a bunch of old ladys that’s so scared of loosing money that they act like they just seen a mouse. So if you want to gamble go to the stock market. Not the lottery. Besides, one of the people that buys a lottery ticket is called a fool. But a guy that buys stock is called a Invester.

I’m not with this Bob Jones about Romney. Sure, Romney has the Right thinking about Those People and abortion and such. Depending on which side of the bed he gets up on or what year it is. But I want a good white Christian president, not a heathen that beleives somebody come along to America after Jesus Christ. Besides, you never can tell about a Mormon. He just might cut loose in the White House and marry about 10 women at oncet. Then we’ll be stuck with news people talking about First Lady #1 and First Lady # 6 and such.

I’m thinking about voting for this Arkansaw gov. that’s a Baptist preacher already. At least we’ll have a chance of getting our 10 Commandments posted everywhere if he gets elected. And nobody in a good Southren state like Arkansas is going to go for this Civil Rights foolishness.

Anybody but this Giuliani. The guy dresses like a woman oncet in a while and wants abortion. Heck, I can find lots of people like that just by going to any bar in downtown Atlanta.

Have a good weekend everybody. I want you to know I’ve forgive this Captain Freedom for calling me names yesterday and I even forgive Sister Dusty for calling me Redneck Convict. TFTT is a harder case, but at least it was nice not to have him on here yesterday. I don’t hold no grudge. It ain’t Christian to hold a grudge against a guy that’s sick in the head.

By Aloysius

October 19, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Confusesus @ 9:15…

…To say nothing of: 8) Allies and drugs…9)Congress and skeletons…10)University chancellors and rednecks.

By Confusius

October 19, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Laugh of the year: Oh? You get Wooten’s joke? Okay, Seinfeld, tell us the punch line. Is Wooten saying that Salman Rusdie as Poet Lauriate would protect the troops because he has no respect for Islam or would not protect the troops because attacks on troops would increase ten fold if Rushdie wraps himself in the US flag?

Confusius say, “man who laughs last, will be man with last gaff.”

By Shar

October 19, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Good Morning, all. I’d add an option to Mr. Wooten’s suggested three addressing the illegal immigrants who use Grady’s dialysis unit (or any of Grady’s other non-emergency services) - deport them with benefits. The Supreme Court has ruled that they must be eligible for the same medical care that citizens receive, but to the best of my knowledge they have not stipulated where that care is delivered. Mexico, which actively courts “medical tourism” from the United States, typically charges about one third of US costs for treatment and drugs. Instead of allowing an ill relative to act as an “anchor” for illegal aliens, it may be possible to use medical necessity to hasten deportation.

Grady could provide coordination with the receiving treatment providers and at least a year of payment for medical treatment and still save a great deal of money while facilitating the return of the illegal residents.

By spaceman109

October 19, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

another observation on the water crisis: anyone can go yell at the army corps of engineers and they would be right. solving that situation would be only a small step. we shall see if sonny-do has the spine to take on the mega-powerful real estate and business interests by ordering a total ban on any new water hookups in the metro atlanta aera until lakes lanier and allatoona are back to full-pool level. mebbe one should not hold one’s breath waiting for that to happen.

By Confusesus

October 19, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

er, gaffe, I think I mean.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Good one, Alloysius!

I started the bit with a rhyming thread, but it fell apart: Rednecks/moonshine….rappers/spoons…..qbacks/coons(dog)…….illegals/bones (see?)…..chancellors/goons……there was just no hope for this bit so I settled for the C- just to turn something in.

Confucius say, “Man who force jokes, took too many tokes.”

By Shar

October 19, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat @9:27 - Well said. I couldn’t agree more.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat@ 9:27

I am not a lawyer so you will have to enlighten me as to whatever attachments have been placed on the First Amendment of our Constitution. Tell us what keeps the President of Bob Jones University from having free speech.

I was going on the basic thought that the First Amendment gave us freedom to speak, to choose, to worship and just about anything that is protected by law. I was not aware that the speech of religious university presidents was illegal or limited.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Confucius say, “d’oh!”

By Donald

October 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

I have watch you over the years Jim and noticed how you split hairs, just short of lying. Sort of the way politicians claim plausible deniability when they otherwise have support for an atrocity. Farrakhan never said as you stated “And that explains fully and completely why “they” chose “to come down on the brother like that” But the way you express it in your article, one with a racist bent with miss that and assume that this is true. How clever of you and your followers! Clearly what he did say is true and if you do not believe the laws are biased against minorities in this country it is not I who misinterprets the many ‘Americas’ inside America. Must be nice to be compared, while stirring the pot of hatred, with Minister Farrakhan.

By spaceman109

October 19, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

dusty…in answer to your question….any religious organization which claims tax-exempt status is forbidden to openly prefer any political candidates. if any such organization does so, they would likely lose tax-exempt status.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

RedNeck Convict @9:32

Like you said”It aint Christian to hold a grudge against a guy that’s sick in the head.”

Absolutely!! Therefore I will make no unpleasantries about your prevaricating post.

By Southern Democrat

October 19, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Dusty @ 9:59,

My apologies. I was not intentionally being vague, but was in a hurry to get something done and attempting to multi-task.

A preacher cannot make political statements of endorsement to his/her congregation as that violates the Establishment Clause and violates federal election law, opening the church to losing its non-profit status.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

About Spaceman109, Confucius say, “Man who take no shower, turn elevator minute to hour”

By November 19 Nation Wide Strike

October 19, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Remember, no one go to work on November 19 - We all strike to end the war in Iraq, and force the Chimp and Vice Chimp to resign. Strike, Strike, Strike

By spaceman109

October 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

clever saying there, confucius :D you truly have a way with the language. actually, one can wash all over….yea verily, even the naughty bits….without being in the shower.

By Spherical Louie

October 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Laffe O.D. Yr., How. Them Injun tribes made heap big killin on each other before the white man turned up the heat on them heathens. Whole mess of them got kilt by fevers and gutrot and such afore Chris Columbus went off trail. He was too dumb to see the main chance, so he went home after he gave em the handle Injun. So some other folks came over from the old country bringin whiskey and horses, and a lot of Injuns got buffaloed and swindled and run out of their country. Them that didn’t like it got kilt. Buffaloes too. Same reason. Them creatures got in the way that big rayroad they was buildin cross the plains. Kept a tearin up the tracks. Too bad, cause thems good eatin. Any plains Injun can tell you. If you kin find one. I count anybody who brings me whiskey and horses as a friend. But Injuns dont hold with that no more.

By November 19 Nation Wide Strike

October 19, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Remember, no one go to work on November 19 - We all strike to end the war in Iraq, and force the Chimp and Vice Chimp to resign. Strike, Strike, Strike

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

from upthread a ways Get it Right took some issue with me thus—

The “Bush Lies” schtick is getting pretty stale and has been proven wrong so many times. I suppose video of the Hitler of Iran stating that Israel needs to be wiped from the face of the earth is the same thing as our President lying about it. Try to find something with some facts behind it, then we can talk…

What video? What translation? Do you have a legitimate translation of such comments, or just some scary-looking stuff they’ve been running on FoxNews? I’m not trying to be snarky here, it’s a legitimate question. Post it if you got it.

Until you back that up, yes, I have something to back up my assertion of Presidential misbehavior. Bush said, as he has said before, and he’ll say again so long as it continues to get him on the TeeVee, “[We have] got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel.”

That is a no-holds barred word: “Destroy.” It’s as undiplomatic as it gets in its effort to gin up support for war.

I realize that some may consider it hair-splitting, but the fact is, I’ve not seen, and I suspect you cannot show me, any reputable translation from Amina-whackjob (no, I don’t know how to spell that fool’s name) actually saying anything like that. What he HAS said is stupid enough—it’s the usual crap about Israel being an illegitimate state, it should be wiped off the map, yadda yadda. Yes, it’s hateful… and it’s stuff they and plenty of others have been saying for ages, stuff that most Islamic republics profess to believe.

I’ve GOT that. We all GET that. They don’t like Israel. Duh.

Now, two things to keep in mind before you start steaming over this:

1) Israel is not exactly defenseless. They have a military force that can smash just about anything sent its way, and if it gets really ugly, they’ve got nukes. Iran knows that.

2) We have, somehow, managed to cope with this lack of nice manners for decades. And yet our President insists on claiming that them Eye Ranians are on the verge of sending its 70 million citizens across the desert to invade Israel. Or something. Or maybe they might be able to make a nuke, someday… you know, like they were trying to do back in the Shah’s time? Which we were totally fine with? But I digress.

This saber-rattling is just another “smoking gun may be a mushroom cloud” bit of marketing that got us into a trillion-dollar hole in Iraq. You really don’t have a problem with this? Seriously?

And so yes, I will call Bush a “liar.” he’s spreading a lie; whether it’s witting or unwitting is of no consequence, what matters is the diplomatic message it sends. It’s plain as day that nothing would make this Administration happier than an excuse to start pounding targets inside Iran.

Again I ask—You really don’t have a problem with this? Seriously?

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

Confucius say, “Man who dangle dong over sink and get caught by wife, will have to buy mink.”

By Captain Freedom

October 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

THE Captain is relieved to know that Redneck is willing to apologize for his uncouth and vulgar behavior yesterday. Along with the apology from that Shriek girl, THE Captain is at long last garnering the Respect He so richly deserves.

Well, except from the Shrill Harpy Dusty, who proclaims ignorance (as if proclamation were necessary) as to THE Captain’s Theology and Ideology.

So, to clarify for Dusty’s short-bus intellect, and for the edification and betterment of all who have the privilege to read this, a primer in THE Captain’s Common Sense Right Thinking Theology and Ideology:

Theology - God said it, the Bible confirms it, that settles it. Nuff said.

Ideology - The words of the great Herbert Spencer, father of modern conservatism, make this most clear: “The poverty of the incapable, the distresses that come upon the impudent, the starvation of the idle, and those shoulderings aside of the weak by the strong are the decrees of a large, far-seeing benevolence.” See, it’s okay to let losers suffer because it is God’s will, and to work against God’s will (through such wicked means as charity, kindness, and so-called generosity of spirit) is a Sin.

That THE Captain’s Ideology is rooted in Theology makes it all the more powerful and irrefutable.

By AP News Wire

October 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

ATTENTION!!

ATTENTION!!

THIS JUST IN!!!

Bush is a lying idiot

That is all.

By Rod

October 19, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Dusty @ 9:18 am. Strange post of yours. You ended it with: “We still have a free country and free speech.”

But you spent your whole entry critisizing us for voicing our “free speech” in our opposition to Bob Jones’s comments.

You need to heed your own words.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Spaceman say:

*[Hillary Clinton] is a hard-core ideologue who fails to understand the economic impact of the drastic rise in taxes that she will doubtless try to ram through congress.”

Oh, horse hockey. She is a corporatist through and through going back to her “Goldwater Girl” days, and she probably understands economic impact better than most running for President today.

These dinky little proposals she’s floated—a grand for a 401K here, five grand there, per newly formed capita—could be easily absorbed and are justifiable as incentives if they’re structured correctly. She’s not my first choice, but I do so enjoy watching some completely mis characterize her as a raving Commie. She’s probably the most conservative Dem running for President, for crying out loud.

By P** in the Sink is a NO NO

October 19, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Right on Confucius - Early on in my marriage, the wife caught me p** into the bathroom sink - She exploded, you would have thought she had caught me with another woman in her bed! She wanted to know Why I p** in her sink when a perfectly good toilet was within ten feet. I had no good answer except it seemed like a good idea at the time — we now have seperate bathrooms. Just marking my property woud have been a really bad answer.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

About CaptainFreedom, Confucius say, “Man who presumes to divine the divine wont drink the Fruit of the Vine from the Sign on the Pine”

By maurice

October 19, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Well we AMERICANS just want you to leave our other AMERICANS at peace once they are either exonerated, put in prison, killed or just fall of the face of the earth ie Vick and T.I. even Eric Robert Rudolph got more respect from the people in his manhunt. And yes if it was a brother who did that he wouldn’t have made it out of the woods alive. If you believe he would have then you’re kidding yourself. Racism is alive and striving deep in the hearts of bigoted Whites and Blacks. AMERICANS at that . When is it going to feel great for all people in America to just say I am an American, instead of listing your adjective in front? Does it really matter?

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Rod @ 10:27, with all the respect due you, are you out of your mind? Or perhaps fresh off the boat? Do you have any idea why we have free speech in this country? Surely you’re playing the fool, as many of us here like to do. If not, then tell Dusty so, and she or I will prep you for your Immigration & Naturalization exam.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Rod,10:27

I do criticize your free speech but I have never said you shouldn’t speak. I simply say that you are not displaying “good sense”. That thought still comes to mind.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Dusty, the club’s doing a fundraiser for the museum again. They’ve got Picasso’s and they’re simply giving them away! We’ve got to go.

P.S. We’re on for doubles at 2:30, if the rain stops. Ta!

By Rod

October 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Glenn - what the hell is your problem with me 10:27 post? WHAT?!?!?!

I merely pointed out that Dusty was talking out of both sides of his mouth.

What are you being an as$shole about?

By UPI

October 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

ATTENTION!!

ATTENTION!!

THIS JUST IN!!!

Dickhead Cheney is a stinking lying idiot

That is all.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

thus spake Rodathustra:

*He says: “This is all about beating Hillary.” That’s all it is. He is a devout Southern Baptist - they believe that women have absolutely no place in a power position over men. The SBC does not allow women preachers or deacons - because they would be over men - so therefore, he is against a woman President.

Being against Hillary is just because Bob Jones, III has an extremely perverted view of God - as a sexist bigot. His opinions on anything aren’t worth the time of day.*

Ya know, I just wanted to say: Hear, hear. This angle isn’t approached voiced nearly often enough (although I’d like to take it up another notch.)

As I scan the major religious groups active in the US today, it’s worth remembering that a significant portion of the population are affiliated with those that do not permit women in the pulpit. However, with the Catholics, it’s kind of a special case, because they also don’t allow—how to put this nicely?—normal people in the pulpit, either. (It’s not exactly normal to be celibate.) So let’s set those folks aside.

And you’ve got conservative and orthodox Jews (tiny sliver of population); and Muslims (ditto). They’re unlikely to vote GOP anyway.

So that leaves the SBC and other conservative Proddy denominations. Naturally, they can’t accept Hillary as a Presidential choice, and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any policy position she may take, and EVERYTHING to do with gender.

Yes, they’ll make an exception when an acceptable Maggie Thatcher type is cultivated. But they’re nowhere near ready for that yet.

And ya know what? I’m ok with that. People make their decisions based on weird stuff. It’s just that we have to see the SBC’s stance for what it is.

Jim, you gonna ever comment on this, or would you prefer to pretend like it doesn’t exist as an issue?

By time for the immediate velly velly painful death to all liberals truth

October 19, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Absolutely nauseating to see the Dean of American Scientists James Watson gutlessly backing away from his irrefutable, factually correct/sound comments about blacks (generally) being dimmer than whites etc just because of the craven despicable politically correct LIES and hysteria about the objective factual awkward truth!!

crackpipe debbie turd and RABIDington et al are sullenly silent about this awkward undeniable truth which they and their ilk underline as irrefutable fact every day they puke up their lies and hate on here!!

The sullen knuckle dragging zombie Calypso Louis Farracrap needs to bugger off back to his pork chop shaped mothership and take his rabid black racism and unhinged bacon munching black mohammedan bigotry with him. If EVER prostate cancer needed another deserving expired victim this demented black hatepig Grand Wizard is it!! Funny how such a plebian, pig ignorant black white and jew hating Grand Wizard loves his Armani so much!! Just more disgusting black mohammedan hypocrisy!!

Even when I don’t post the far left COCKroach and yanKKKee jacKKKal Lance Korporal Syphilis/inbred redneKKK turd pukes up its glorious envious hatred of yours truly. This deranged multi-persona narcissistic yanKKKee maggot is not only fast approaching the sectionable anal narcissism of the wretchedly unfunny aborted foreskin but its happily now flying ever nearer the cuckoo’s nest and Nurse Ratchet’s trusty straitjacket. Keep puking up ya side splitting ever more desperate lies Syphilis/redneKKK about NOT being french kissing first cousins/bruthas!! Hopefully this self absorbed paranoid mental meltdown of unhinged attention seeking denial and counter wankpig denial will result in more Electric Shock Treatment in a Rendition bathhouse - even better would be an unusually heavy CIA waterboarding session at Niagra Falls (gedditt??)!!

Freaking hilarious to see the evil feminazi pelosibitch abjectly humiliated in the house of cut and treasonous hate America leftist vermin by its arrogant lust for power and inability to lead with its appeasing scum actually in lock goose step behind it. How’s that utterly pointless anti-Turkish resolution doing Pelosibitch??? HA HA HA HA HA … talk about “The Taming Of The Shrew!!”

Emory needs to immediately tell ALL these grasping greasy illegal mexican type leeches to F OFF and get their own dialysis machines. I suggest the grasping greasy illegal leeches use their easy access to one of many millions of landscaping hosepipes and connect it to peeping tom’s uber septic tank! At least that way they’ll flush out their (presumably heavily discounted) fairly mundane Taco Bell toxins with something so infinitely venomously toxic it will instantly lay waste to anything their illegal leech torsos can fester up!!

By Rod

October 19, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Dusty, regarding your 10:39 post. You said that I am “*not displaying “good sense”. *” What?

You don’t think I displayed good sense when I criticized Bob Jones’s endorsement? You need to do some fact checking. I stated that Bob Jones, III does not believe women should lead men - in the pulpit, as deacons or as President. Those are facts (I realize you don’t usually use facts). He also thinks God is sexist - by believing that God considers women inferior to men (that’s sexist - look it up).

So exactly what were you criticizing me about? Stating facts? Stating that this endorsement will only hurt Romney? Huh? Huh? Huh?

I see you have to get your boyfriend Glenn to defend you - not able to do it by yourself, huh.

By Line

October 19, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

How about that 1000-word manifesto from the unithumber! It wasn’t so much a disertation as it was a insertation.

I wonder what Confucius would say about it?

By Dr. Strangelove

October 19, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Nice to see TFTT get a computer break while at the home.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Lighten up, Rod. Was poking fun at you for calling Dusty’s criticism of you hypocritical and beyond the pale of free speech. Obviously the point of free speech is to protect rough criticism and even obnoxious speech, which I deliberately put on display. Something about “stout individuals” and “men of fortitude, able to survive in a hardy climate.”

By Line

October 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Glenn, sorry, but I have no idea what you just said. You’ve achieved the rare triple negative, double split infinitive with a dangling participle. A rare feat, indeed, and you get the “blog of the spayed” award.

By AUTHORITIES

October 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

AMBER ALERT

AMBER ALERT

This is an immediate need as there is an AMBER ALERT for a missing child. The kidnapper is a hideously ugly individual, missing most of his teeth, smelling like urine and dressed from the 60’s. He’s known to be a racist and prejudiced against any group other than white males. He uses many aliases, but he primarily answers to the name TFTT, which is short (as is he, about 5’1”) for Time for the Truth.

If you see this sick and twisted pervert, please contact authorities right away as God only knows what he has in mind for the innocent child he abducted. He may even (heaven forbid) tell the child how wonderful George Bush is. Please stop him before that!

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Relax, Rod@ 10:48

“not displaying good sense” means your remarks do not sound intelligent to me. It means I don’t think you scored high on the SAT. It means “dumb”. It means I think you are probably a brain washed liberal. It means I think you are a little short of a full deck.

Do you need any more explanations? I am always glad to help.

By Rod

October 19, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Ah, so Dusty, anyone who disagrees with you is not displaying good sense.

That means you are a very closed-minded individual. You are a …………… TFTT!

I think that about covers it!

By Michael H. Smith

October 19, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Poor Jim never bets on anything. Gambling is sin! Of course, Jim like so many other extreme religious types opposed to gambling probably doesn’t buy any form insurance, has no stocks, bonds or 401Ks. Yep, gambling is such a irresponsible waste.

Remember to always waste your money responsibly when sinning. Whether betting against an insurance company, the stock market, wagering on the Lottery or even betting on the U.S. government’s ability to pay off the debts owned via U.S. Treasury notes – and don’t forget to say a little prayer that the printing presses at the Federal Reserve never breakdown, cha-clonk.

Now that Jim truly would be a sin.

By LivingRight

October 19, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

*By TW

October 19, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

If this were the sixties, the death toll for our soldiers in Iraq would be approaching 30,000….*

Agreed. May God continue to bless modern medicine, and forgive Republicans for what they have done.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Line @ 11:00, of course you don’t understand, and that’s OK. You’re still a good person. Did you know that you are loved just as you are? That’s right. So try to find the courage to be yourself. All the you that you can be. The you-ness of you. The real you. The true blue you. The world waits for you. Your muze mews for your views. Can you count the rhyming words and the repetitions? See? That’s a start! I knew you could do it.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Rod @ 11:05..

I usually give my HONEST opinion. I don’t like yours. hmmmmm You don’t like mine. Sorry, bub. That’s the way it goes.

By Line

October 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Glenn, your comment was unreadable, but only because it made no sense, and I defy you or anyone to summarize your point, but simply rewrite the post so that you avoid the errors in syntax and everything will be perfect. then, you’ll be the blog’s top dog, and dusty will have to follow you with a pooper scooper and plastic bags….bwa

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Shar, smart idea, as usual, about using the ER as a lever for enforcement of immigration laws. (Smarter than today’s column, in my opinion.) What would you think about getting some repayment from the lawbreaking non-citizen? Also, does the ER-dependent Mexican — I’m just picking a nationality at random for, you know, the sake of inquiry and all — cause some form of harm that might call for actual restitution? Dunno. But I’m thinking for example of the purely hypothetical Mexican’s making qualified patients wait in the queue, bleeding.

By Rick

October 19, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Ah, so Dusty, anyone who disagrees with you is not displaying good sense. That means you are a very closed-minded individual. - Rod 11:05

HA! If I had a buck for every time I was chastised by you lefties, Rod, for being “stupid” just because I have a viewpoint you lefties don’t agree with, I’d be visiting a Porsche dealer right now. You libs are such blasted hypocrites it makes me sick.

By ray

October 19, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

by mentioning michael vick and not the iraq war, mr. wooten suggests a dog’s life is worth more than an American Soldier’s. thank you for your honesty, mr. wooten…you honest republicans are a dying breed…

By Adam

October 19, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

TFTT @10:44 Every time I think that you cannot possibly out-do yourself, you prove me wrong with another post. Today’s has to be one of the best. Funny stuff!! Congrats

By Camus

October 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Please, people, don’t feed the trolls. These are people who like to post the most vile and objectionable nonsense to give themselves an inflated sense of courage and self-worth, but mostly just to get a rise out of the people they seek to offend. We all know who resembles this description.

There is no argument there, no sense of engagement, just the online equivalent of setting fire to paper bags filled with dog scat and ringing your doorbell.

Leave them alone, and they will wither from loneliness. Mommy’s basement apartment is a sad and dark place.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Nah, Line, as I detect a carapace of insincerity still shielding your inner self, perhaps it’s best that I give you the weekend to ponder my inscrutable blog. I’m sure that, if you spend a little quality time with your Funkin’ Wagnall’s and your Strunkin’ White, you’ll be fresh as a daisy Monday morning, and all aglow with dewy-eyed you-ness. That’s what we all look forward to. (And you know what Churchill — a Nobelist! — said about terminal prepositions, don’t you? Of course you do. See? You’re already on the Way to Understanding.)

By Calm Down People!

October 19, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Rick, you’re right that it’s silly for “lefties” to say that conservatives don’t have good sense just because they don’t agree with them. But isn’t it equally silly for “right wingers” to say the same thing about liberals? I mean, Wooten constantly references people not using “good sense” when he disagrees with them. It’s ok to disagree with people — and it doesn’t make the other person dumb.

By time to mercilessly GOAD the leftist vermin again!!

October 19, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

My My … such an exquisitely RABID hissy fit from one of the fetid American oxygen wasting resident yellowbellied leftist vermin so viscerally ashamed of its worthless maggot brained self its sheeeetskeeered of posting under its own usual psychotic hate America id!!

welcome back snivelling MoRoN rod turd. Mercifully U have NOT been missed while undergoing your most recent court ordered full frontal lobotomy!!

Nice to see that its still incwedibly (sic) eeeeeeeeeesy to wind you should have been aborted pinKKKo scum up!!!

Its as easy in fact as Bush beating two demoNcRAT traitors in 00 and 04!! … huge the only good lefty is a dead lefty smirk

By Mi12

October 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

by mentioning michael vick and not the iraq war, - ray 11:33

‘ray’ is what we call a stupid liberal who can’t come to terms that there are other things going on in the world in Iraq. Ray, take your butt over there to Iraq and do something about stopping the war if you are so upset about it. Even better, tell your traitorous congresspeople like Stark to stop being total JERKS and loving on the terrorists that are killing our troops and making their jobs more difficult. Otherwise, sit down and shut UP.

you honest republicans are a dying breed…

I suppose that’s better than NEVER having honesty to begin with like you filthy liar democrats.

Well technically, it is you pathetic dem (dim?) liberals that are a dying breed, because you are aborting yourselves and non-familying yourselves right out of existence. Don’t let the door hit your collectivist a*******es on the way off the planet in a few decades.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Oh good. Adam, Ray and Camus. Game’s afoot!

By time for the humble truth

October 19, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Cheers Adam

U are a gentleman and a scholar sir!!

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Jim posted, and I somehow missed it:

Any idea why they’d not allow the vote on a permanent ban? The cynic U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) thinks it’s because they “want to leave the door open to taxing the Internet in the future.”

And? So?

Four years down the road, some revenue streams might have dried up, whereas Internet access might have changed dramatically to the point where it might make public policy sense to enact some kind of tariffs to pay for related projects.

I don’t get what’s so awful about setting a four year limit, do you?

By ray

October 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

nice to meet you too, mi12. didn’t know glenn and tftt had a love child…airport bathroom conception?

By hound dog

October 19, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

US $2,100,100.00 !!!

With a little more than an hour to go! That’s how much the biggest Democrat lie ever mentioned on the Congress floor and signed is going for on eBay.

Congratulations Rush! Loved ya last night on H&C ripping up the weasel democraps! Stick it in their eyes and don’t ever let them forget it! They’ll never succeed at shutting you up, or anyone else for that matter!

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Mi12 gave us:

“Well technically, it is you pathetic dem (dim?) liberals that are a dying breed, because you are aborting yourselves and non-familying yourselves right out of existence. Don’t let the door hit your collectivist a*es on the way off the planet in a few decades.”

Feel free to check actual demographic information, to back up this nonsense any old time, ‘k pal?

Meanwhile as for the only numbers that actually matter, I give you the 2006 mid term popular vote results:

Democratic Party: 53.6% Republican Party: 46.4%

You really think 2008 is going to be any different?

By Jackie

October 19, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

@time for the immediate velly velly painful death to all liberals truth

COME ON LOOKOUT!!!! Trying to hide again and spew promote your racist views. No one has responded to you because the person who wrote that piece has apologized and he says his conclusions were wrong.

By Dr. Glenn, M.D.

October 19, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Shark, don’t tell nobody, but I actually admire your pretty bold attempt at figuring out what the hell are the (possibly religious) motivations behind this Bob Jones embrace of Romney. I read the column in the wee hours, and that was the paragraph that stuck in my mind. Even my dog couldn’t get back to sleep. It’s like that famous photo of Elvis & Nixon in the Rose Garden. More you look at it, weirder it gets. For what it’s worth — and that’s perhaps nothing to you — I agree with your diagnosis of sexism & paternalism in American religious forms. It’s virulent & multiform.

Romney’s toast simply because he hasn’t handled the Mormon thing with anything approaching the panache of Kennedy/O’Donnell/Sorensen. With his money and moxie (ogawd, 2 “m” words!) there’s no excuse for it.

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

hound dog—what means this “Rush” you speak of?

Isn’t he the guy who called military men who disagreed with him “phony soldiers?” And the next day, likened one of these critics in particular to a suicide bomber?

I’d forgotten about that. But thanks for reminding everyone!

By Shark Sammich

October 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Glenn writes:

Shark, don’t tell nobody,

Erm… um… double negative, makes it a positive… dang! you want me to tell everybody? Or just make sure somebody knows?

brain hurtie.

But yeah, whether you’re a dirty hippie like me or whatever-the-heck you are, it seems absurd for a Southern pundit not to examine the role that gender will play.

Think, too, of the kinds of kitchen-table discussions people have had over this topic. SBC members all have good friends who are (say) Methodists, who’ve had female ministers for decades. Probably workmates and associates and bosses, too.

The SBC was wrong, and relented, on slavery. They were wrong, and relented, on interracial dating. They ARE wrong, and WILL relent, on the whole women in the pulpit thing.

(and mark my words; one day, they’re be ok with the gays. Long way off, but it’ll happen.)

By Liner

October 19, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

The shame about Rush Limbaugh is that he no longer abuses Prescription Drugs. Wow, he was entertaining a few years ago when he was flying so high on the air, I mean, the imagery and the parallel constructs he created from the kaleidoscope of mixed metaphors and vunderpuns kept me tuned in. Now, he just kinda mouths the party line and yes, he makes some really valid points, and I admire his loyalty to our jingoistic manifest destiny, but I try to tune in and I try to get entertained and informed and stay abreast of the issues as only Rush can frame them, but I may as well listen to elevator musak for insights.

And I think that’s a damn shame. He blew his mind out in a phar(macy). He didn’t notice that the right had changed. A crowded steeple turned away, they’d seen his space before, and nobody was really sure if he was speaking from the lord, I’d love to turn you on.

By Jack is Back

October 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Jack Here: Day 1, Hour 14: Could Bob Jones be Al Cutie? A whole nest of Al Cuties? Could Romney money be funding Al Cutie in America? Could Mormans really be Muslims? Jack is on the case……… Jack Out

By Dr. Glenn, M.D.

October 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Shark, I can’t guess how SBC doctrine will evolve (!) — onnacounta* the Spirit bloweth wheresoever it damn well pleaseth — but agree that it has been evolving, presumably on grounds of “G-d’s progressive revelation”, a very versatile justification. (And the one used famously by Bob Jones the Elder when he woke up one day and announced a divine revelation that white folks had better chuck the traditional Southern prohibition against talking religion and politics at the dinner table, if only because the Black Church was then powerful and, to his mind, threatening of “old time religion”.)

But, leaving SBC to its own devices, I hear from my old political circles that GOP numbers show that tennis-skirted churchgoing lunching-ladies, erstwhile soccer moms, hate Hillary more than anyone does, and that the GOP is keeping that card to the vest. If that’s so, then I’d expect the GOP to make that play largely through the churches.

Don’t tell nobody.

*onnacountadavida, you dirty old hippie

By tag

October 19, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Hmmm… ‘Let the marketplace price water and divide the “profits” equally among all customers.’ Those sorts of statements really do damage the credibility, don’t they? Mr. Wooten, can you cite any marketplace where profits go to the customers?

By No Laughing Matter

October 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Liner, kudos for the excellent parody of “A Day in the Life”.

By Master of Flatulence

October 19, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

The Southern Baptist Convention will nominate its own candidate if Romney is nominated.

But that’s just my literal and inerrant opinion.

By The People

October 19, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Water. It came from outer space via comets which are just ice for just us.

They think the earth was bombarded for a billion years with ice to get all the water we pollute every year by allowing GE to dump toxicity at will.

We the people could stand up today, and say, “NO, GE, Bad Dog!”. and the polluting would stop in two seconds.

Email GE today. Just write, “No, GE, Bad Dog!” and send.

Then, we’ll rub GE’s nose in it’s own filth and that will be our first step toward toppling the coup Cheney/Bush used to steal this country.

Bush was never elected. He could never be elected by free people.

Remember 2000!

By Coumbia Sophomore Against Alliteration

October 19, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Liner, that is brilliant. I mean it! Seems I’ve underestimated you as badly as Seward did Lincoln in ‘60.

gtg

By Jack is Back

October 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Where has our Republican governor been for the last six years that he is just now getting around to suing the Army Corps of Engineers over the dumping of Lake Lanier and Lake Altoona water during a draught of unknown duration? Surely the great brains in Washington and Atlanta were aware that draughts occur, therefore provision must be made to put people above wildlife in the division of water. So Sonny, where have you been the last six years? We all know the Feds are too stupid to think ahead, but surely not a smart Republican governor?

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Confucius say, “Candidate with missing waistband could make country wasteland”.

Confucius adds, “Mitt Romney has no right for grief over stupid questions like, ‘boxers or briefs’”

By JD

October 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

It scares me to realize how many people honestly believe that the President of the United States 1) lied because he, personally, wanted to go to war in the Middle East and 2)continues to lie because he, personally, wants to get into another war in the Middle East.

By Anonymous

October 19, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

Just wait and see, folks… in a few years Wooten will be on here explaining how “the market should decide” who gets to breathe clean air and who’s too poor to have any, entirely due to their own bad choices!

By The Prez has Spoken

October 19, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

“The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to endure these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people.” — George W. Bush, 2-19-2000

By SimonG

October 19, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Jack:

No, Mormons can’t be Muslims. Muslims are monotheists, first and foremost.

Salaam

By getalife

October 19, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Iraq “put the U.S. on notice.” Iraq’s National Security Advisor, doesn’t mince words.

“The people of Iraq, the Parliament, the Council of Representative and the government of Iraq, all say no, big fat no, N, O, No military bases for Iraq because we believe that is in direct encroachment to our sovereignty, and we don’t need it.”

“That message was delivered directly to Vice President Dick Cheney at the White House.”

The Iraqis know who is in charge.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Jack,

Jim never speaks out against his party. He is a gop hack.

The corp. has screwed you like they did in NO.

Your water rates will rise dramatically.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

RE 2:05 post, Bush lied, and people died. Retroactively, even.

Disappointing, his failure to keep his promise to Armenians. Something must’ve thrown his presidency off track somewhere along the line.

Note that candidate Bush’s speechwriters distinguished “mass murder” and “genocide”.

By getalife

October 19, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Speaking of war crimes:

According to the organisation’s submission to the committee, the UK government is “potentially systematically complicit in the most serious crimes against humanity of disappearance, torture and prolonged incommunicado detention”.

The Hague will be busy.

By Confucius

October 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Confucius say, “Country that mixes Koolaid with Crusade get Waylaid.”

By Huh?

October 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

It scares me to realize how many people honestly believe that the President of the United States 1) lied because he, personally, wanted to go to war in the Middle East and 2)continues to lie because he, personally, wants to get into another war in the Middle East.

JD missing a couple of cans in that six-pack?

You cannot be the Commander-in-Chief if you aren’t ordering the military around. What do you expect from a cowboy?

By jm

October 19, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Wonder why Mr. Wooten left out guns when talking about TI? Isn’t that why he is sitting in jail? With booze, rednecks, rappers and drugs, it is usually when guns (or cars) are added to the mix that the concoction becomes lethal.

Regarding Turkey. Interesting the the administration refers to the kurds launching attacks against Turkey as “rebels” rather than “terrorists”.

As for mixing religion and politics, I wonder if certain bishops will refuse Mayor Giuliani communion for his stand on abortion (though based on his divorce status, he might not be church eligible anyway).

Regarding the lottery, ponies and sub-prime loans. Like all gambling, the odds are stacked in the house’s favor.

By Huh?

October 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Plans were being made in March, 2001, by the White House to invade Iraq.

Note that is 5 full months before 9/11 and only 2 months after Bush became President.

By Kicked Out Of Va Tech In 1984

October 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

JD @ 1:39

What scares me even more is that there are people who so maniacally want to deny that the current President Of The United States lied to get us into Iraq and again seems to be lying to get us into Iran.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Neocons. All you lemmings just go on and follow your “leader” over that cliff…

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Will everybody here please raise your hand if you are not PoFo?

Just as I thought, only one or two.

Ah well, some thoughts on an earlier subject…The ER and dialysis unit of Grady Hospital.

Sorry, folks, doctors usually treat anybody that gets to them sick. Maybe you don’t think so, but read the Hippocratic oath. And ERs are held to the same standard.

I am for legal immigration but the health facilities for the dangerously ill are not the places to enforce deportation. I said dangerously ill. Anyone who needs dialysis is in very poor health.

I don’t think that many of you would pass the dying if you thought you could help. Grady is established along those principles. I hope it can stay that way.

By The People

October 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Desert Storm One ended with George Herbert Walker Bush derailing our advance into Baghdad.

There have been plans to resume that advance ever since. None of this would have been necessary if Swartzkaupf wasn’t a poor general. He let the very slow General Franks lead the most important part of his attack, the end around to get behind the Republican Guard and stop any retreat. We could have captured that entire army, and then we could have waltzed into Baghdad with no opposition, and set up a peaceful government and everything, and by now, Iraq would be mini-america.

But no, Swartzkaupf failed to fire General Franks as soon as he realized how slow he was conforming to the orders to attack.

When a general says attack, he means ATTACK without mercy. Just attack. Whats so difficult? Just go.

Now we face doomsday because Iraq was unfinished in many people’s eyes.

So we’re finishing it, I guess. I want my mommy.

By Dr. Werbenmanjensen

October 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I could prescribe you a little something to stop these halucinations of seeing political foreskin whereever you look.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

JD @ 1:39, scares me too. Why do they believe it, ya think? I mean, Columbia’s student body just isn’t that big, so it can’t all be that school’s fault. And the NYT is losing readers almost as fast as the LAT (the purchase price of which on eBay just dropped below that of Rush’s letter). They’re hateful over FL 2000, and the hatred addles them a bit.

But it seems to me that these dynamics fail to explain the degree of their truly disturbing, if not disturbed, confabulation and taste for confabulation. This strange behavior includes their recent presidential nominations of men whose own seemingly earnest no-$hit-I-was-there tales really appear to my lay eye as manifestations of psychosis — far beyond the pedestrian phenomenon of a celebrity’s coming to believe his or her own autobiographical exaggerations.

Could this mass psychosis be the result in part of the explosion of unaccountable media outlets and other information sources? Very few yanks seem capable now of any seemly or reasonable or constructive forms of “loyal opposition” — or even of forms that are constructively unseemly, like the inventive antics of Abbie Hoffman or Allen Ginsburg circa 1968, say, or of the circa ‘72 bra-burners. Most of those who today oppose the Administration are willing to call themselves liberals, but few of them know even approximately what that word means; only that it doesn’t mean W. So they use old labels and keywords vacuously and fail to coin their own, as the New Left did.

What do you think is really causing the present witlessness?

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

I’m Spartacus!

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

getalife @ 2:20, I hadn’t realized that Her Majesty’s government had been engaged in war-fighting. Thought they’d evolved beyond that beastly stage years ago, when the Three Lions laid their crowns at the feet of the Lamb Regnant.

Heavens, what frightful news.

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

I’m Spartacus!

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

I’m Spartacus!

By zzzzzzzzz

October 19, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Were it possible to bore people to death, Glenn would be a mass murderer.

By Iraq War Vet

October 19, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

I recently attended a “Young Republican Convention”, there were at least 500 young men and women ranging in age from 18 to 26. They were all staunch supporters of the Iraq war, unfortunately not one person had enlisted or was considering enlisting to fight for this nation!

I guess the old saying is true, Cowards are brave when they don’t have to fight

By Iraq War Vet

October 19, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

I recently attended a “Young Republican Convention”, there were at least 500 young men and women ranging in age from 18 to 26. They were all staunch supporters of the Iraq war, unfortunately not one person had enlisted or was considering enlisting to fight for this nation!

I guess the old saying is true, Cowards are brave when they don’t have to fight

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Glen, you post to a different drummer, I’ll give you that.

By Operation Yellow Elephant

October 19, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Iraq War Vet, thank you for your service. Please know that Mr. Jim Wooten is a favored speaker at the local Young Republican meetings in Buckhead. He knows them well, and perhaps he would explain to you why they support the war but not the effort or sacrifice.

Also: http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/

By Spartacus

October 19, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Dont listen to those two, Centurian, I’m Spartacus.

By Shar

October 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Glenn, Dusty et al: I should have been more clear. Emergency medical services should not be delivered on the basis of nationality. However, if ongoing long term care of the type that plonks you down in a dialysis unit is needed, you are in maintenance rather than crisis mode.

If you hand the responsibility for paying for your care over to the public, you don’t get to make all of the decisions. That principle can be applied in many ways, perhaps most notably in the ceiling that has been put on support allotments for women who have additional children while on welfare. If a person who is here illegally asks for this kind of long term care and cannot pay for it, I believe that the taxpayer is entitled to make a humane, low-cost choice. Return the immigrant to his or her country of origin (and no, Glenn, I don’t thing restitution is required - medical folk triage patients in the ER and decide whose condition is most critical, not whose papers are in order), coordinate care in that country and pay for that care for a specified time (one year?) at which point the person becomes the responsibility of their own government. They can communicate better, be closer to family support systems and it would relieve the impossible drain on hospitals like Grady.

By Centurian

October 19, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

Okay, if you rebels dont tell me which of you is Spartacus, I’m going to use this rusty bolo knife and make women out of all of you….

By Political Foreskin

October 19, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

He’s Spartacus!

By Jack is Back

October 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Jack here: Day 1, Hour fifteen: Ahhhhhh, the stock market died today, all of Jacks whiskey money was in the market, on margin—— no booze this weekend for Jack. Another dollar 97 down the drain for jack. Damned margin calls, COULD AL CUTIE BE BEHIND THE THEFT OF JACKS WHISKEY MONEY? — Jack down and out

By KirkDouglas

October 19, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

I am Spartacus!

By BS Aplenty

October 19, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Jim, the wonder is not Louis F’s comments anymore, it’s the “good church people” who filled up the Boisfeuillantacious Jones arena to be entertained…er, to listen to this Muslim charlatan. I guess with T.I. in jail the entertainment pickin’s get pretty slim…

tftt & dusty - you rule!

By Tony Curtis

October 19, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

I am Spartacus!

By Hmmmmm

October 19, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Let’s not ignore the fact that there are millions of illegal aliens that our government has allowed here that have helped to drain our resources, i.e. water…

As for the Farrakhan comment, I am not a Muslim, but lets be real..America operates under a white supremicist umbrella..look at television, look at the senate…whites are running everything just as they have throughout the history of America. Can someone have an intelligent convo with me regarding this?

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Would someone please IM Spartacus?

By KirkDouglas

October 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

No, Tony, I am IN you.

By BS Aplenty

October 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Let me also say that Charles Krauthammer’s editorial on Nancy Pelosi in today’s AJC was spot on -Jim, Cynthia - you rule!

By Jack is Back

October 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Jack Here: Day 1, Hour 16: Jack was not good at history, but did the Romans not crucify Spartacus? Yeah, right - Jack is not Spartacus, no Jack is Jack, so go nail some other dude to that cross of wood, not Jack. Jack is not Jesus H Christ either, so get that cross away from Jack. Actually, Jack is looking for Jill, this being Friday evening and all. Oh Jill, Jack is waiting for you! Bring the pail, ya got some milkin to do! Jack Out

By deegee

October 19, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Shar, many illegal immigrants return to their country of origin when faced with an illness for the reasons that you described. Additionally, they return because they have more confidence in the medical community in their country of origin, and they can pay the bill. These are the people that you don’t see in the hospitals and clinics in the US, so it is impossible to count them. However, from my personal experience, I can generalize and say that illegal immigrants are more likely to get health care in “doc in the box” clinics in their own community when the illness is not serious than in the emergency room. And they are likely to return to their country of origin for treatment of an illness that is not easily treated.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

OK Shar, no restitution for ER treatment. Was just trying to bound some options. I get your distinction between emergency care and recovery or long-term. (Former presumably will remain court-protected anyway, but I can’t get the constitutional rationale — equal prot. via 14th??) Sounds like you’ve got a good win-win that includes cost-saving plus a winning score in the apparently difficult schoolyard game of Place the Citizen in the Right Country. I think — I think — I still want them to pay us back for ER stuff. I don’t care if it’s from Cuernavaca and in Pesos and takes 23 years. Is this heartless or unfair?

These pregnant Mexicanas and Centro Americanos, and their injured husbands and sick children, are more than mere “bugs on the windshield of the pace car of medical progress”.* As you know, the county systems long ago entered shutdown mode on their, um, account. Not good.

• That’s Tom Wolfe, who writes funny.

By jbmlaw

October 19, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Good afternoon all. Long day. A hypertechnical question for Southern: since Bob Jones University lost its tax exemption almost 20 years ago, is there any intelligent reason the president of the school may not speak on any political issue he wishes?

Compliments to PoFo for the “Day in the Life” parody, pretty clever. I plan to offer your “homosexual terrorist” joke to the Ensign when I see him this weekend; I thought it was clever, but, as Mrs. jbmlaw frequently reminds me, I have no taste.

By Deegee Martinez, The Shrink Will See You

October 19, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

I can generalize and say that illegal immigrants are more likely to get health care in “doc in the box” clinics in their own community when the illness is not serious than in the emergency room. And they are likely to return to their country of origin for treatment of an illness that is not easily treated

All evidence to the contrary. To our illegal immigrant community here’s a three-step process for being a good citizen: Step #1 - pay your bills, Step #2 report to Immigration for green card & Step #3 Adios, amigos & amigas.

By ritchyfitch

October 19, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Why is it so hard to understand why blacks feel how they feel when it comes to racism. Michael Vick was wrong, but he paid the ultimate price for his shortcomings. Dogfighting is not brand new, but it was an oppurtunity to bring down a polorizing sports figure who has braids, tatoos and wears baggy clothes. There is no excuse for his actions, and he did this to himself, but look at what he has to pay for this (loss of all endorsements, loss of his job, loss of his popularity, loss of his money, loss of his ability to play football). Michael Vick is not a lawyer, policeman, or teacher, he is an entertainer and to lose that is not fair considering his profession. Entertainers mess up all the time, and in most cases they are still giving the ability (if they have the talent) to entertain. There is a demand for Michael Vick, and now it doesn’t matter. Kind of a double standard.

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Louie the Lyrical, a friend of mine, greatly beloved of yrs truly, used to be a speechwriter in the WH. One day she complained to me that they were staffing up with all these wonderful writers supported by interns from the best English departments and these people would craft these model addresses & such and then the head of Speechwriting would return the draft with a note reading, “Make it presidential”. That was code for francturing the syntax and slanging up the grammar and inserting little sublinguistic quirks of orality — “um” and “ah” and “well…” etc. The President often rewrote the drafts himself, she said, and usually with these little tics and grammatical dishevelments.

Anyway, she left politics for a writing career a long time ago, resolving never again to make her writing “presidential”. To my knowledge she’s kept her pledge.

What do you make of that?

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Hi jbm, long day here too. The other boys are being mean to me, and Dusty didn’t meet me for doubles at the club. Can you come out and play?

By deegee

October 19, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Sorry, D.A King, the evidence is in the CDC report that is hyperlinked and embedded in the article below. Latinos are far more likely to go to the doctor’s office than the emergency room.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19511691/

By BS Aplenty

October 19, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw - you rule! always good to hear the sane, weill-reasoned arguments,

deegee - you rule, on occasion,

bsaplenty - you rule when Mrs. BSAplenty’s not around…

By Shar

October 19, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Hi deegee @ 4:34 - my comment was in response to Mr. Wooten’s citation that 31% of outpatients using Grady’s dialysis unit are “undocumented residents”. How this statistic was computed, I don’t know as I believe it is still illegal to ask about residency for medical treatment. But perhaps that stipulation only applies to emergency care. As my aunt was on dialysis for years before she finally passes away, I have a good idea of what it costs and how mobile a patient is between treatments. Unless complicated by other factors, a dialysis patient is capable of being moved to the care of another provider, and I agree with you that there are competant if not superior medical facilities, at lower rates, available in many of the originating countries. The tricky part, of course, is paying for the treatment, but even if we agree to share the cost with the orignating country we still achieve significant savings as well as enforcing the law.

Glenn, I think that restitution for emergency treatment is a moot point. I can just see building some ridiculous bureaucracy to try to track down immigrants and get the weekly pittance. Department of Blood From A Stone. On the taxpayer dime. If we could just realize savings from drastically lowering costs associated with long term care compounded by those from deporting illegal users of other social services, I’d gladly put up with the emergency service costs.

By Dusty

October 19, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw@4:44

Please give your ensign a big hug for me. That’s because I get so proud when I think of the young men and women of our country who are in the military. They show the best of America.

I didn’t mean to get all wishy-washy. But regards to you and your family with my best wishes.

Dusty

By Glenn

October 19, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Shar, you’re right of course, but can’t a guy vent? That’s funny about bleeding the stone. I once worked out of a health clinic for farmworkers — all Mexican nationals — in Steinbeck country. (Sorry about the spinach; it’s not the fault of Las Lechugeras if the growers don’t provide adequate sanitation as required by law.) The quality of the shoestring care there was by all and various accounts, excellent. Patients paid what they could pay, which usually was nothing. The patients were attentive and compliant with treatment courses, and the staff showed a palpable “espiritu de la Gente” that put the patients at ease. Two of the doctors and the RN were Chicanos, the remaining doctor a Mexican in the citizenship pipeline. Thus the care was, essentially, Mexican. Reflecting on that experience in light of your thoughts, I would guess that undocumented Mexicans here now might be more likely to enjoy the standard of non-emergency care I saw out West were they to return to Mexico, where presumably it would be more feasible to reproduce such exceptional conditions as I experienced.

By Shar

October 19, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

ritchyfitch @ 5:05 - Yours is the standard argument used by those caught driving drunk. OK, I shouldn’t have done it but hey, lots of people do and why should I have to be penalized so much?

Michael Vick was not paid that enormous sum to throw a football. He was the face of the franchise, the image of the entire team, the embodiment of team ethos. He embraced that personally, agreed to it contractually via the personal behavior clauses he signed and used it financially to up the ante in his endorsement deals.

I am not interested in football and had only tangentially heard of Mr. Vick prior to the scandal. I had no idea that he was a quarterback, much less his preference in pants, body art and/or hair styles. Didn’t know, didn’t care.

I do care that he broke federal law, committed conspiracy, and indulged in savagery as some kind of entitlement. I do care that he invested in dogfighting, which is among the most degraded and pernicious of practices and which is closely associated with a plethora of related criminal activities. I care that he tolerated drug dealing out of his house, which is what the original warrant was for.

I also care, a lot, that he seems to have felt immune from consequences. There is simply no other reason that he would put so very much at risk. The people around the developing Michael Vick, whether at the elementary, middle, high school, college or professional level, seem to have signally failed to nurture a sense of responsibility, of right and wrong, of common humanity the way they nurtured his athletic ability. He became cripplingly one dimensional, believing that his athletic success was all that mattered, and that he had no need to consider the legality or morality of anything he did. If this happened to him, it probably happened to countless others and continues to warp young athletes today.

No one “brought him down” other than himself. He lost so much because he chose to put so much at risk, no because his punishments are somehow race based. He joins a long sorry line of people whose arrogance, selfishness and sense of entitlement led to long harsh falls. What makes me angry is that those failings were ignored by the people who should have been preparing him to be a human being as well as an athelete.