Thinking Right

By Mid-South Philosopher

October 17, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this

Good morning, Jim,

Since the vast majority of the American people joined Georgie Bush in sleeping through 10th Grade World History while they were in high school, it is not surprising that the vast majority of us don’t know that the Ottoman Turks were guilty of a genocide act agains the Armenians back in 1915. That being true, I really do not see the sense in the Congress dealing with this atrocity at this time given the potential negative fallout that could impact our troops currently involved in the Iraqi Civil War.

This is not to say that we should give the Turks a pass; however, there is no more to be gained by passing the so called resolution right now than there would be to pass a resolution condemning the atrocities committed by Billy Sherman’s army on some of our ancestors in 1864.

Quite honestly, I would like to see a Constitutional Amendment pass to prohibit the Congress from passing resolutions. If you think about it, Congressional resolutions have provided the American people with more grief in the last 60 years than anyother act of that august body.

Let those doteheads stick to passing laws (God help us) and, when it comes to military action, declaring war…Oh, wait, I forgot, they are to cowardly to do that anymore!

By Doom

October 17, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Pelosi wants the US to cut and run. Then, Pelosi wants the terrorists in Iraq to follow us home. She want sus to fight them here instead of there. She only became speaker to abbet AL Queda. One quick way to accomplish that would be to label the 1.5 million armenian deaths in the 1915 as genocide. The Turks did a good job in 1915, and they wish to continue their work against the Kurds who are even swarthier than the Armenians were. Pelosi needs to shut up and sit down, or be impeached.

Turkey has always been the best judge about which race of people should survive and which should be exterminated. The Kurds have always been a disgrace to the human race, so Pelosi needs to stand down here.

By Aquagirl

October 17, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Oh, come off it Jim. The resolution is leverage to get Bush to back off his veto of SCHIP. It’s politics as usual in Washington.

The only near mindlessness is the self-crowned King George thinking he’s got carte blanche. Everyone knows that’s Cheney’s right.

Anyone hear about the rise in troop non-combat deaths? The armed forces seem a little burnt out. Those troop-loving Republicans think it’s okay to keep them overseas as long as their Chickenhawk selves are comfy in air conditioned offices.

By Boom

October 17, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

I totally agree with Doom. Pelosi doesn’t want the USA to win. Without Turkey, it will be impossible to supply our troops and we may need to make surrender monkeys out of them. Maybe if we surrender to Turkey, they’ll cut us an even break. But if we label the Turks as genocidal monsters, like Pelosi wants, then Turkey may Gitmo our surrender monkey troops and who knows what tortures they’ll be subject to.

We need to give the Turks a Nobel Prize for their work in herd trimming in 1915, then they’ll let us supply our troops who should then win the war in Iraq.

We can win the war in Iraq without Pelosi’s help, thank you.

By @@

October 17, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Jim, this irresponsible resolution is the liberal’s way of applying labels. Turkey…”Axis of Evil”.

Sounds so much nicer, don’tcha think?

*Iraqi leaders may be hoping the current bellicosity is just a threat, for now, and Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi yesterday traveled to Turkey to seek the chance to stop rebels from the PKK —the Kurdistan Workers Party — “who cross the border before Turkey takes any step,” he said. And after meeting Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Mr. Hashimi added: “I got what I wanted from our talks. There is a new atmosphere to stop the current crisis.”

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail in the Middle East cause Pelosi’s is waiting for extraction by a proctologist.

By Redneck Convert

October 17, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Well, this Pelousy woman just keeps pushing the librul buttons. Who cares if a few million Armenia people was kilt a 100 years ago? They ain’t Americans, so it don’t concern us. It will just make the Turks mad. If I was a Turk and my great-grandfather kilt some Armenia people long ago and I wanted it all to be forgot, I would get mad when somebody tryed to bring it up again. They are already dead so its a lot better just to forget about it.

But no, they got to keep bringing it up. Just like they brought up this guy in Lawrenceville that was a Nazi prison camp guard back in the 1940s. Here he is, old and living in America, and nobody knowed or cared what he done in the past. Like all Gwinnett County people he was voting straight Republican and trying to be a good citizen. Then one day a bunch of libruls come knocking on his door and telling him they are going to kick him out of the country just because a few million Jews got kilt. If its in the past, just let it be, is what I say.

Same thing with the libruls trying to chase down Klan members after all these years. You keep reading about how this guy in Alabama or Miss. is living all quiet-like and then some librul drags up how he bombed Those People or pushed somebody off of a bridge or something 40 years ago and want to put him in prison now. I bet he was voting straight Republican too and living godly. They ought to be a law that says if you done something and ain’t been caught after 10 years its all OK now.

Anyway, libruls got no sense. Its a lot more important to be able to move military stuff thru Turkey than try to bring up the murders of a few million people long ago. None of the libruls in Congress knowed any of the people that was murdered, so whats it to them?

This Pelousy woman and the other libruls in Congress are nothing but a bunch of traders. They are willing to see us loose the war just to hit back at people that conked some women and kids on the head long ago.

I know the godly conservatives on this blog will agree with me. Especially TFTT and jbmlaw and Sister Dusty and @@. They are kind of bloodthirsty but very Patriotic. You got to live in the present and forget about the past. Unless its your folks that get murdered.

By jbmlaw

October 17, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I think all of conscience would agree that the Ottoman persecution of Armenians at the end of the Great War matched the definition of genocide. That truth has not changed for 85 years now. As the WSJ aptly observes, such a resolution condemning the Japanese for their atrocities during WW2 would at least have the virtue of hitting some evildoers still living.

Seemingly this pattern of undermining allies is a grand tradition for those of the Subversive Party – think of the way the Congress abandoned the South Vietnamese in 1975, and the Shah in 1978, and the detailed legislative efforts to subvert the freedom fighters (“the Contras”) in Nicaragua during the Reagan years. Surely Jim feigns surprise at the current democrat effort to insult our longest true ally in the Muslim world.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

A compromise resolution would be for Pelosi to accuse the Turks of watering their lawns during a draught.

The turks might read between the lines and merely hose the Kurds down, totally diffusing the situation. Instead of “genociders”, the turks would be labeled, “Water Wasters”.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

A compromise resolution to label the Turks as “Dogfighters” would also serve to diffuse the situation.

Sen Craig’s aplomb in fielding tought questions from Matt Bauer last night proves he’s the consumate politician. Tapping his shoe? So what? Lighting his shoe in an airport would be grounds for his arrest, not tapping his shoe.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Jim Wooten has certainly described the Democratic frame of mind in Congress. Anything to score points against President Bush even if it endangers the country.

jbmlaw reminds us gently how many times Congress has undermined our allies. Midsouth Phil has the good idea to get rid of “resolutions” in Congress. And @@ knows exactly where Pelosi’s head is located.

We’ve got a good crowd here this morning even with AquaGirl suggesting it’s a cover-up, RedNeck Phony implying we are blood-thirsty and PoFo playing the dual role of Doom and Boom.

Congrats, folks, we are off to a fine start. Gonna be a good day!!

By TW

October 17, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Maybe we should hire a Sectretary of State to help with things over there…

@@ - I turst you put a bag over your head when you use the word ‘irresponsible’?

Jim - Team????? You think this is a freakin’ game?????

By Kicked Out Of Va Tech In 1984

October 17, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

Dusty @ 9:34 - Your brain must be getting very Very “dusty” again.

Let’s see - for scoring points even if it endangers our country, how’s about lying to the country and Congress to justify an unjustifiable war, just for a start?

By Shonna

October 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Heloooooo? Doesn’t it occur to anyone that maybe Speaker Pelosi believes that the bill is correct? She is a Catholic and she hates the war and where she comes from everybody hates the war. So she fairly represents her beliefs and her constituents back home. Big deal. The Turks are Muslims who tried to kill all the Christian Armenians. Like you care! Finally Congress wised up to it. How can you people be on the side of genociders? “Lest we forget.” Sheesh.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Anyone who wants to whine about “undermining our allies” needs to take a long, hard look at the irresponsible crap spewed about France and Germany in the run-up to the Iraq disaster.

Gosh… we sure weren’t too worried about “insulting our allies” then, were we?

By Shar

October 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Good Morning to you all. There is no doubt that Turkey, in its previous Ottoman incarnation, commited genocide against every Armenian it could root out and slaughter. Nor is there doubt that Turkey has denied it happened ever since, and has vehemently opposed any attempt to bring the subject up or assess culpability. Many of our closest allies have the same sorts of skeletons in their closets, with the Japanese denials of the Rape of Nanking and the sexual enslavement of “comfort women” springing immediately to mind. Heck, we allied ourselves with Stalin’s Russia and he was responsible for killing an estimated 35 million of his countrymen.

However, his little escapades were not brought up at Yalta. No one trusted him (or de Gaulle, for that matter, although his specialty was not killing but running away), but all present knew that the Eastern Front was absolutely essential to divide German forces, and that unity was paramount. Therefore, Stalin’s purges were dismissed as an “internal matter”, not the concern of foreign powers. Just so has Turkey been allowed to slide on the Armenian massacre.

Speaker Pelosi’s insistence on bringing up a resolution recognizing the genocide at this sensitive moment has confused me. Aquagirl’s suggestion that it is a bargaining tool to override the president’s SCHIP veto is interesting, but the ramifications of marginalizing Turkey at this precise time seem far more significant to the Democrats than passage of a bill which was primarily meant to embarass the Administration. For Pelosi and Rep. Hoyer to undermine foreign policy (especially the precarious kind this Administration practices) and imperil American troops for short term political gain seems too stupid to be probable.

We’ve snuggled up to nightmare regimes for years, tucking up a rogues’ gallery of murderers in the Lincolm Bedroom while hiding all qualms behind a cloak of expediency. Does anyone have a good understanding of why this resolution at this time?

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

You’ve got to hear this: The water company installed a new meter reading device in my front yard. It started spouting water from a botched installation. The neighbors thinks I’m watering my lawn and have surrounded my property with pitchforks, ropes, and shovels. I tried to fix the leak under the cover of darkness last night with a pipe wrench, hoping that I could just turn a valve with it and stop the leak like the way they do on depth-charged submarines in the movie.

Why does that always work in the movies and not in real life? I made the leak worse. Now, my neighbors are holding up signs, marching in circles, and chanting slogans in my front yard, no joke.

I called the water company and they said, “we’re sorry, but it will take three business days for a repair crew to fix the leak”.

Hey, did anyone see Ellen become unhinged on her tv show yesterday? She completely fell apart over a dog she gave away to an acquaintance. It seems she had signed a contract promising not to give the mutt away. Dog caught in the middle. Ellen in tears, inconsolable. On national tv.

Ellen never could dance anyway.

By Truthifier

October 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Again, Wooten uses his platform to attack Clinton and Pelosi. Does he hate women in general or just these two in particular?

Jim, everyone knows the Armenian resolution isn’t going anywhhere so let it go.

Has anyone noticed how Jim hasn’t reported on the new national polls that show Hillary and Rudy in a dead heat if they are their party’s nominees? How about the news that the Democratic candidates for president have raised TWICE as much money as the Republicans this past summer?

By Shonna

October 17, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Why the resolution at this time? WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? For standing by for almost 100 years the United States is complicit in genocide. Just like the U.S. is complicit in the deaths of all Iraqis killed by other Iraqis since America’s illegal invasion. Speaker Pelosi found a way to help get the Turks out of the war at least, since the Republicans can’t find a way to get the U.S. out. Wake up!

By Terrence

October 17, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Who said the dems weren’t frugal? SanFran Nan destroys an ally, a president and our troops with one political bullet. Unbelievable! What a moron.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Sen Craig has introduced a counter resolution nominating the Turks as candidates for the Presidential Medal of Freedom Award.

Rush Limbaugh and the WSJ think the Turks deserve the nobel prize for herd trimming.

History could be kind to the Turks, and Sen Craig. It depends on how we spin this. Faust’s Holocaust. It could be a broadway play. We’d make millions to burn millions.

I smell a Tony Award to go with the nobel prize and the freedom medal.

By jbmlaw

October 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Dear PoFo, you are in good form this morning, under all your aliases, my compliments.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Terrence @10:08

Good line there but you should have added one more word: SanFranNan tried to destroy an ally, a president and our troops with one political bullet.

As usual, she shot herself in the foot with her political bullet.

By jbmlaw

October 17, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Great essay, as always, Shar @ 9:51. You ask questions beyond my comprehension also. I know there is a sizeable Armenian population in several California congressional districts, but even that does not match the calculus necessary to explain the initiative. There must be something we do not know.

By Craig

October 17, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

As I recall, Tom Delay did everything he could to undermine Clinton’s efforts to solve the problems in the former Yugoslavia, in the ‘90’s. I’m sure that Wooten was in high dudgeon over Delay’s treasonous comments also, right?

Hmmmm….

I may have to go check the AJC archives….

By Truthifier

October 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Shar and jbmlaw, while I agree that the timing of the Armenian resolution isn’t ideal ,and recognize that I’m not nearly as eloquent a writer as you two, I think everyone may be overthinking the issue. Isn’t it possible that some people just really feel that the Turks commited an atrocity and should be held accountable? Are we all so cynical that everything has to have a political calculation behind it? Perhaps, at least for some members of Congress, this is just a matter of doing what they think is right.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Try to keep up Jim, they did back off.

Watched cheney law on PBS.

It showed two people deciding to trash the Constitution, cheney and addingto.

They gave us gitmo, torture, renditions, signing statements, executive priveledge and truly believe they are above the law.

They believe the executive is the only branch of government to make decisions and the rest work for them and spew you are with us or against us.

“The crown jewel” is name of sying on Americans and all these people should be locked for life. They destroyed government and our country.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

jbmlaw@10:28

“There must be something we do not know.”

jbm, I will let you in on a little secret. Pelosi will do ANYTHING that will politically harm the President. Her amazing record of disconnet to American progress cannot be discounted. Her goal in Congress is to discredit President Bush no matter if it harms troop safety, diplomatic relations or American stability. Harry Reid, Waxman and Boxer are just as vindictive.

I am sorry that Americans can turn against their own, just like our enemies desire. But the obvious cannot be ignored.

By Dusty Needs a Hug

October 17, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Dusty, it’s sad that you only see the world through bitter, jaded eyes.

By Backwords (in time)

October 17, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

The year 1999:

jbm, I will let you in on a little secret. Delay will do ANYTHING that will politically harm the President. His amazing record of disconnet to American progress cannot be discounted. His goal in Congress is to discredit President Clinton no matter if it harms troop safety, diplomatic relations or American stability. Dennis Hastert, Inhofe, and Larry Craig and are just as vindictive.

I am sorry that Americans can turn against their own, just like our enemies desire. But the obvious cannot be ignored.

By time to LYNCH LIBERAL TRAITORS NOW

October 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Patronising wanKKKers like Shar_k turd and mid south bollock chops need to stop stating the bleeding obvious when it comes to history. The nearest either of these two pompous tossers have ever come to Turkey is a free Hosea Williams Thanksgiving dinner.

Doom has a point - generally the swarthier the scum the nastier they are to their neighbours … same with ALL yer yellow slitty eyed dog eating types too!! Genocide and oppression in the Orient - not the East End footy team in Leytonstone either - is in the DNA of the sweet and sour pork gobblers, the nail shop owning V.C. and those robotic murderous Jap b astards!!

Finally it seems we have at long last gathered definitive proof that blacks are dimmer and more stupid than white folks. An American sahib has wisely shared his bwana busting genetic insights that only politically correct pandering dickheads will rabidly ignore!!

This wonderful article is actually from the most far left hate America and pander to the turd world national newspaper in the UK!

http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece

Naturally the usual witless liberal scum and racial spoils crowd are infuriated at the cold hard seemingly IRREFUTABLE facts!!

“… black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that “equal powers of reason” were shared across racial groups was a delusion.”

Obviously any visit to a fast food joint in S Fulton or Clayton Co will instantly back up the professor’s courageous, visionary work!! … huge smirk and snigger

Beholding Wackie turd’s recent gormless hysteria has been enormously entertaining. Getting so wound up over a few traditional witty cyber slaps from (happily on my side) a complete, total stranger on a politics blog shows just how weak minded and abjectly stupid Wackie turd is!!

With the heavy rain forecast tonite peeping tom and Lance Korporal Syphilis will hopefully get a long ovderdue shower tonite which will relieve everyone in Cabbage Town where the stench of their festering armpits now actually overpowers the stench of their high treason!!.

By Adam

October 17, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Why a resolution now?

Giving the benefit of doubt, one possible reason may that Pelosi simply proposed it as one more in an endless number of empty, feel-good, politically correct, posturing resolutions. Dems are absolutely full of outrages and apologies. Nothing of substance just emotion.

Another possibility is more sinister, that being a way of deliberately undermining support logistics for our troops in Iraq and placating the radical left wing of her party.

By No Laughing Matter

October 17, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

This is not the first time this resolution has come up. It has been voted on in committee for a number of years and always approved by a near unanimous vote. The vote was easier because the GOPers on the committee knew the leadership would not bring the resolution to the floor. Now that the Dems have the floor, the vote was closer (27-22) because of the real possibility of a full House vote. Having said that, the Speaker seems to have a tin ear on this one. There is no compelling need for the resolution to go forward now and she has not articulated a good reason. She needs to start listening. Good thing we have Dusty here to let us in on the Speaker’s secrets. Saves us all from trying to figure out what is going on.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

No laughing Matter@ 11:03,

Glad to help out any time.

By The Great Leader Speaks

October 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Watching the President’s press conference. So far we’ve learned that he likes to go to gold medal cermonies, he doesn’t know what he was doing in 1981, and today’s event is not his first rodeo.

By Shar

October 17, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Truthifier @ 10:35 - Thank you for suggesting that I am eloquent. I guess I must also be as cynical as you say, but I cannot help but suspect, with jbmlaw, that “there are more things in heaven and earth…than are dreamt of in [my] philosophy.” The Armenian genocide has been known and tacitly acknowledged for years. There has never been a serious effort to formally address the situation or assign responsibility until now, at least to the best of my knowledge. With Turkey on a tightrope between secular and Islamic government, sensitive to the government’s crucial role in supporting the US invasion and popular sentiment eager to see an attack Iraqi Kurds, this is a spectacularly lousy time to suddenly take offense. The negatives of such a move would seem to far outweigh the positives, particularly for the Democrats, so I gotta think that there is an element to this decision that I am not taking into account.

Getalife @ 10:41 - I watched “Cheney’s Law” too. Absolutely chilling and deeply frustrating. I had intended to have my tenth grade daughter watch with me but am glad that she opted out. She would have learned that her mommy knows all of Those Words and even, when sorely afflicted, uses them.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Dusty Needs a Hug @ 10:46,

Hugs will not change my vision as I am already part of a great lovable family. AND my vision is quite clear.

But you do have a “thought”. Send your hugs to Pelosi and mention America. She seems to have forgotten the location of “home plate” in the political game.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

w loves Blackwater.

Go figure.

Blackwater is socialized slaughter.

By Shar

October 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Off-topic, but I hope that many of you will have a chance to read Cynthia Tucker’s column today. It struck me particularly deeply as it coincides with today’s administration of the PSAT, which is required for Georgia’s tenth and eleventh graders. It is the first test on which Georgia’s students’ performance will be compared to national norms on a test that has personal implications for everyone who takes it, and for many it will be the first time that they have incontrovertible evidence that Georgia’s educational system has utterly failed them. Those most vulnerable are the kids that Ms. Tucker mentions in her column. The inexorable winnowing is happening right this moment, will be complete by noon, and will have lifelong ramifications for some - although, sadly, not for the bureaucrats or parents who set kids up to fail. A sad, reflective day.

Sorry to go off-topic, but this has been on my mind.

By .

October 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

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By Kicked Out Of Va Tech In 1984

October 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Dusty @ 10:41

I am sorry that Americans can turn against their own

Snert. I guess that the Republicants using gay Americans as their “whippin’ boys” over the last several elections just went right by you…

By getalife

October 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Shar,

cheney’s law is the same thing written by John Dean in “Broken Government”.

It is historic in a bad way on the destruction of our government and the rule of law.

Civic courses will need to be changed to teach there are not three equal branches of government and “liberty and justice for all” is history. The rule of law is history and there are many changes needed to be made to fit cheney’s law like we torture and redition to torture, habeous corpus, spying on Americans, etc…

By quackmire

October 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Heh.

Hehehe.

Hahahahaha!

Poor Randi fell down and broke her teeth; she didn’t get beaten by some hate-filled reich winger that wants to shut her up. After reading all the comments on the nutter leftnut sites, one can see who the real haters are. Someone probably lied about Randi and it spread like wildfire, not unlike the [False] Media Matters lie about Rush. What the hell do facts matter to a lib.

Anyone catch Ellen Degenerate’s wailing over a stupid dog? She had to give it up over even more worthless cats and chose to give it to her hair dresser. Too bad she didn’t read the fine print from the adoption agency on notifying them if you can’t keep the dog, you have to return it to them and nobody else. Now the agency confiscated the dog and the hair dresser has had death threats and threats of having the building being firebombed. All over a damned animal. Typical extremists on the left - care more for expendable animals and trees than human beings. Backwards freaks.

Who’s Pelosi?

By Camus

October 17, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Sigh. Wooten wishes that we all would conveniently forget history, but the record is there for anyone who cares to know.

Republicans have repeatedly raised the Armenian genoicide resolution when we have had Democratic Presidents as a means of disrupting the President’s foreign policy and as a bargaining chip in Congressional/Executive negotiations. This fact is as undeniable as the Turkish/Armenian genocide itself.

However, anyone with a rather broad sense of humor will search in vain for a Wooten condemnation of any of those episodes, which were notable for the “near mindlessness for House leaders to push a resolution that the military and the administration have warned could severely damage U.S. relations with a key Middle Eastern ally.”

Yet that is how it went down then, just as now.

That said, it was a tin-eared stunt. (Though when compared to the White House scorched earth approach to SCHIP, it was a piece of political genius.) Far better to spend that energy, just for one example, investigating the fact that the Bush Gang were engaging in illegal telephone surveillance a full six months ahead of 9/11, despite their statements that such activity was necessary because of 9/11.

By quackmire

October 17, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Check that - Make that the agency has had those threats of course.

By Curious Observer

October 17, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Your ever-loyal traitor here, if we are to believe the meanderings of TFTT, who seems to have gotten an early start on his meth-inspired weekend.

It is curious to me that the murders of 1.5 million Armenians are of only minor importance to the ardent supporters of the war in Iraq. The Bushites would much prefer to cozy up to the Turks than to express outrage at this historical incident of genocide. We can assume from this reaction to a proposed non-binding Congressional resolution that the victims of genocide from the Sudan can expect no succor from this administration. After all, it might offend the Muslim world, or at least somebody.

I pass over the uninformed blatherings of people like Dusty, but I expected something better from jbmlaw, who seems to disappoint everybody but the most rabid conservatives.

Well, I suppose I need to return to fomenting treason for having expressed an opinion about the importance of demonstrating respect for human rights, a subject for which Wooten’s band of happy warriors have very little regard.

By deegee

October 17, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

This is not an issue that congress has pulled out of it’s collective arse over the last few weeks. Below is a link that provides a good, brief overview of the issue.

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocidefaq.html#response

In 2006 Canada joined the international community and made the declaration as have many European countries. While the US relies on Turkish airspace, the Turkish military relies heavily on the US defense department. Turkey wants membership in the EU and until they publicly recognize their culpability in the mass extermination of the Armenians in the 1900s, it is unlikely that will happen. It is a very complicated issue with tremendous implications for the US and the middle east. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a Department of State?

By Jack

October 17, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Congress has been wasting time and our tax money doing irrelevant resolutions. Why can’t they do something that matters. ALL of them should be kicked out on their collective arses. We the money, for the money, by the money! Geez.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Curious Observer@11:50

I see. We should demonstrate our respect for human rights by throwing in the face of Turks a 150 year old tragedy so that we can have thousands more AMERICAN soldiers killed NOW in combat without needed supplies.

OH, I know what you will say. Fighting terrorism is something we should have overlooked, forgotten about 9/11, pulled a “Chamberlain” with Iraq, and snuggled in our blockaded America with warm security. Good old liberal thinking to ruin America!! Thanks a lot!!

By jbmlaw

October 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Dear Truthifier @ 10:35, your argument is not unreasonable, and I’ll admit that possibility crossed my mind also. With more recent similar events, e.g., Burma, where a statement of Congress might carry some sting, why do they thumb their nose at an arguably-reformed ally instead, and over something that happened 100 years ago? If you owned a couple of dogs, one who is attacking a child now, and one whose father attacked a group of children 15 years ago, why would you focus your attention on the latter?

By History Lesson

October 17, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Then Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert on October 19, 2000 - “Because the President (Clinton) has raised grave national security concerns, he has requested that the House not consider H.Res.596, Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution. I have acceded to this request. I support this resolution and I supported bringing it to the floor. I believe that the Armenian people suffered a historic tragedy and that this resolution was a fitting condemnation of those events. But the President of the United States, the Commander and Chief of our Armed Forces, has asked us not to bring this resolution to the House Floor.”

By jbmlaw - Works out of his 1991 Ford LTD - a former police car, then a taxi, now a law office

October 17, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

The Chimp and the AmeriKan military are not the only ones who get to make war - Turkey has just as much right to make war on Iraq as AmeriKa, actually more so than AmeriKa. I certainly hope the government of Iraq puts a bounty on the heads of each and every Blackwater scumbag in Iraq, so one thousand AmeriKan dollars for the head of a Blackwater W*******. My hat is off to Vladmir Putin for puting Iran under the Russian nuclear umbrella. Any attack on Iran will be treated as an attack on mother Russia, with an immediate nuclear response against both the attacker it the attackers puppet masters in Toilet Aviv, IsPiss.

By Finally!

October 17, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Brutal, corrupt South Vietnamese generals.

Agusto Pinochet.

Dick Cheney.

And now jmblaw resurrects the freaking Shah of Iran!

Finally I get it. I get the political philosophy of the Far Right:

Government’s sole legitimate function is the torture of any human beings it deems suspect, for whatever reason it so determines, in utter secrecy, and without any judicial oversight whatsoever.

Now that’s what the Founding Fathers really had in mind!

By Sad Times

October 17, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Pelosi should bring her grandchildren back to the House chamber and explain to them what she does everyday.

“This is where grandmother passes laws that hurt our troops and our country. Grandmother is very patriotic, isn’t she?”

By Truthifier

October 17, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

I certainly understand what you’re saying jbmlaw @ 12:13pm. Actually, I don’t know why individual nations pass such resolutions when that is something that should be left to the international community to do through the United Nations. My point is just that perhaps there is no nefarious scheme behind the Armenian resolution, but perhaps just some honest naivete about international relations. Speaker Pelosi would of course not do anything to intentionally sabotage the United States. As much as I may dislike some Republican members of Congress, I would never for a moment suggest that they were traitorous for holding positions I don’t agree with. In the end, while Mr. Wooten as always is stirring the fires of rank partisanship instead of seeking productive dialogue, he knows, as we all do, that the resolution will not be passed the full House and that will be the end of it.

By Shonna

October 17, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

I can’t BELIEVE how blatant you people are. Who is this Lynch Liberal nutball? Once again the blood is on the hands of the neocons who’s answer to everything’s to pull the trigger and root for the triggerpullers even if its a hunderd years later like the Armenian genocide. GENOCIDE, People! The Turks were probably slaughtering Armenians cause they were running away from the Allies (get it? US) who justed wanted middle east oil. Just like now. You b*** about Speaker Pelosi, but at least she cares about people and the Earth. This blog is just the wrong end of the toilet you flush out of when Jim Wooten pulls the handle.

By Shonna

October 17, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Hey jbm, yesterday I crossed myself and spun around three whole times before daring to use the apposite word “jurisprudential” in my question to you, and bigod you gave me a proper jurisprudential answer. Just the ticket. That’s very interesting about the switch in the Declaration from “property” to “pursuit of happiness” being a corrective vis-a-vis excessive Puritanism. Makes whollota sense. I never could understand what that woo-woo phrase was supposed to mean. My guess was that Jefferson was some sort of premature Hippie or something. Thanks for turning me onto some really groovy $hit, man.

By What's the Difference?

October 17, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

So, I know I’m going to open up a pandora’s box here, but can someone please explain to me the argument that we should not be concerned about the Aremenican Genocide because it happened 90 years ago, but we should be concerned about the Nazi’s Holocaust which happened 75 years ago. Did the statute of limitations on justice expire sometime during that twenty five year difference?

By Camus

October 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Dusty…

The genocide of the Armenians was not 150 years ago, but rather occurred slightly less than 100 years ago. But like a good fish tale, fairly soon you will have relegated this to the Middle Ages or beyond, the better to belittle its significance. As noted above, Turkey is effectively blocked on their EU membership until this matter is addresed, so it apparently still resonates for some.

Such historical illiteracy is de riguer for wingnut parrots like yourself. But even a blind squirrel and all that…there was in fact an ongoing campaign of genocide occuring 150 years ago.

The genocide of 150 years ago involved Native Americans. You could look it up, but I’m sure you won’t.

And still, I think Pelosi has a tin ear for getting this ball rolling right now. Unless there is a strategy to use this issue as a springboard to hold the Turks culpable for the upcoming Kurdish cleansing in northern Iraq, but that would be uncharacteristically foresighted of the current Democratic leadership.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Trust me on this ONE: these Armenian reso’s have been introduced annually for almost 20 years, and before that occasionally. Every year the legislature in California, which as jbm points out is home to lots of Armenians (anybody remember their Governor George Deukmejian?), memorializes Congress to pass such a resolution, and every year the Turkish diplomats make the rounds and explain their side and how important they are to NATO, etc., and nothing gets passed in DC. Most speakers won’t even allow it onto the Floor. But not the treacherous and fifth-rate leftist Nancy Pelosi. No, no. And not this time, while she sees her opportunity. Jim’s right: the secret of all humor, as they say, is timing, and this time the jokes on the GOP at the expense of CentCom and the personnel at their disposal.

By Jack

October 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Shonna. Gotta flush hard,it’s a long way to Washington DC.

By jbmlaw - Works out of his 1991 Ford LTD - a former police car, then a taxi, now a law office

October 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Note to Turkey: Attack, Attack, Attack

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

What’s the difference, see the 12:47.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Hey, that was fun exercising my Inner Columbia Sophomore in the persona of Shonna. “Liquidator’s” right. Cleans out the pipes every now and then. Yes, jbm, ‘twas I.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

The Armanien lobby donated more than the Turkish lobby.

Hello, broken government.

Geez.

By Shar

October 17, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

What’s The Difference @ 12:39 - I agree with your principle. Nasty people are nasty people, repulsive deeds are repulsive deeds regardless of time and space. My personal priority would be to substitute action for posturing by protecting today’s victims instead of mourning yesterday’s. I have a hard time with our conveniently postmortem regret for the genocides of the European Jews, the Armenians, the Croatians, anyone in the path of the Japanese during WWII, the Rwandans (Hutu and Tutsi in their turns), the Cambodians under the Khymer Rouge, and on and on, while we ignore the present, and addressable, destruction of the people in Darfur. The selective outrage expressed for some victims and not others, and the timing of that expression, is what I find to be politicized and therefore suspect.

By Aaron

October 17, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Your suspicions on Pelosi are right on target JW. What kind of idiot would employ dull rusty tools like this resolution when our troops are in harms way? Only the speaker for dem tools. Dems will never get diplomacy right. Hit hard when it’s not necessary and roll over when they should be hitting hard.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Speaking of hitting hard, Aaron and Shar, do you agree — do any of you agree with me — that it’s time for Condi to be replaced by a real nutcutter?

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Dear Camus @ 12:44

I relegate you to the Dark Ages. There was no Native American Genocide any more than there was a Southern genocide by W. T.Sherman (look it up). You are just looking for another “knock” at this country.

Always you place yourself so high on your laurels that reason is but a bit of altitude sickness with you.

We know you are a liberal atheist so no need to worry us with your anti-American anti-religious movements.

Don’t let it worry you in the least and I am sure it doesn’t that I love this country and will not sit by while you superlibs take every opportunity to degrade it.

By Dems Are Smarter

October 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Aaron at 1pm said “Dems will never get diplomacy right.” Nevermind those Nobel Peace Prizes won by President Carter and President Clinton. Oh wait, those were undoubtedly undeserved because Carter and Clinton are Democrats and therefore not worthy of any recognition for their efforts. Those wise guys at the Nobel committee are idiots anyway right? That’s why they serve on the Nobel committee.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Sad: I would think Pelosi’s kids would be proud of how she’s helping the country by stopping the madman’s rampage.

Remember: A liberal is a patriot by definition. Conservatives have to prove it.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

No Jim, she is the leader of the real American team.

“Big News: Pelosi takes a stand on Iran, Iraq, and FISA:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday she has no plans to bring up a Senate resolution asking the Bush administration to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization.

(O)ver the course of the interview, Pelosi made three specific promises on the question of funding the war and on the Congressional battle over FISA: 1) that the House will not take up a war appropriations bill this year 2) that there will be no war appropriations bill next year that doesn’t include a fixed date for bringing the troops home 3) that House Democrats will put up a major fight over the Bush administration’s desire to make permanent the FISA law passed in August, particularly over the issue of retroactive immunity that the Senate has already given in on.”

Choke on that losers.

By Um....

October 17, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

There was no Native American Genocide any more than there was a Southern genocide by W.T.Sherman (look it up).

Seriously?

By deegee

October 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Conservative definition of genocide - mass killings for socio-political reasons. If the reason for the killing has anything to with oil, gold or strategic airspace, it’s justified.

By jbmlaw

October 17, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Dear Dems Are Smarter @ 1:13, President Clinton’s Nobel Prize? News to me, must have been cigar-shaped.

By Jackie

October 17, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

@time to LYNCH LIBERAL TRAITORS NOW

I see that you have changed your screen name to try and keep from being recognized for the sordid stalking horse that your are. I heard something yesterday that reminded me of you. It went something along the lines of your being left-over semen that was thrown out the back door of the fertility clinic. By miracle of all miracles, you were able to hatch and that is how the found you on the side of the road. Is your genetic makeup resistant to staph infections? I wonder how you got your job as a lookout? I believe that the business your folks were in had to take in “customers” of all ethnicities.

By Shar

October 17, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Glenn @ 1:03 - No, Secretary Rice man be ineffectual but she is not pernicious, venal and/or tyrannical, which puts her ‘way out in front of the current Shop of Horrors clustering on Pennsylvania Avenue. Besides, I think that Paul Wolfowitz is still looking for steady employment and the risk that he might be annointed is too hideous to contemplate.

Dusty @ 1:05 - I respectfully point you back to your American History class. Genocide is an appropriate term for what was done to the Native American population by the European settlers, whether through disease (smallpox killed far more Native Americans than anything else), assault or displacement. A cursory overview of the Trail of Tears or Wounded Knee will give you a good idea of the systematic destruction that was endured. In addition, those who were not killed had their children forcibly removed for “re-education” to stamp out any vestiges of heathen traditions.

You are correct - there was no Southern genocide by Sherman or anyone else, unless you count the malarial mosquito. There is, however, thorough documentation of the concerted government campaign to round up and kill off Native Americans, to lie on treaties and steal their lands, to relegate them by force to the least inhabitable areas of the country where they continue to be confined today and, if they objected, to kill them.

Loving your country means recognizing and learning from both its successes and failures. We have done so with disavowed practices like slavery, the interning of Japanese Americans during WWII and the McCarthy witchhunts. We have yet to seriously examine the government’s campaign of destruction against the native people, or to halt the ongoing corruption and exploitation practiced up to the present time by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. You can, and as a loyal American you should, look it up.

By KimChi Lover

October 17, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

I propose that we strip al the fraud of his nobel prize and award it to Korea for the greatest invention in the history of the human race, Kim Chi.

By Tom

October 17, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

All wars that results in the death of thousands of millions of people is Genocide. Making a resolution is just an acknowledgement of the fact. Maybe its needed to help countries think before deciding to start wars. As Turkey has proven, no one wants to be accused of Genocide. Pelosi and House Democrats are on the right track. Elect Hillary Clinton for President 08.

By Jackie

October 17, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

One of the biggest problems we will have is the economy. Our three largest creditors, Japan, China and Taiwan began to sell some of the credit instruments they have purchased, further driving down the value of the dollar and raising our cost of borrowing more money. The banks have started to build hedge funds to protect themselves against the credit and housing crunch, just like they did in the crash of 1929. ALL the economic indicators are down, oil is expected to reach $100 a barrel soon. Will Dubya be able to blame Clinton for all his failures? On a local scale, the drought is now official in the Mid-Atlantic states with 43% of the contiguous USA being classified as in a drought

By deegee

October 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t discount the slaughter til extinction of bison as a factor in the demise of the Plains North American Indians.

By Jackie

October 17, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

The Turkish Parliament approved a measure for their military to cross over the Iraqi border to pursue the Kurdish seperatist. The US military passed a memo stating the supply line through Turkey may disrupted, therefore supplies would take long to reach theater. Vladimir Putin and the other Caspian Sea states (all major oil producers) said in a joint statement they would come to the aid of Iran in the case of an attack. Attorney General designate Mukasey has disavowed the torture memo and practice of Alberto and Dubya and has publicly stated the President does not have the authority to unilaterally issued orders abrogating the Geneva Convention Treaty. Verizon admitted they released your telephone calls to the government without a warrant because they “wanted to protect us from the terrorists.” Wonder who protects us from Verizon, the Government? The criminals are being surrounded. “Come on out Dubya / Dick, we know you’re in there.”

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Dear Shar@1:32,

I do not have to go (back) to history books to know about Native Americans. I have worked with them many summers.

What YOU are doing is following the politcally correct movements that wish to declare anything American as rotten.

Native Americans are still thriving, serving in the armed forces of America and have no indication that they are wiped off the scene. They have reservations but they can come and go, leave for good or anything else Americans do. They also control local government and business affairs.

If you want to call every war, plague, new settlements, and population shifts as genocide, you won’t have enough books to write them down.

Believe me, Sherman was not a mosquito in the Civil War. He set off a burn-to-the-ground everything including food rampage across states to “kill morale”. But it was not genocide.

You seem steeped in “book knowledge” but little familiar with the real thing. Maybe you should get out more.

By Um....

October 17, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

I do not have to go (back) to history books to know about Native Americans. I have worked with them many summers.

HAHAHAHA! Stop it! Hahaha! HAHAHA! HAHA! It hurts! HAHAHA!

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Ummm @2:08

Other than being an idiot, what is your point????????

By Dustbuster

October 17, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

“They have reservations but they can come and go, leave for good or anything else Americans do.”

HAHAHAHAHA that was even funnier that the last Dusty Doodle.

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty’s hatred of American extends even to its original inhabitants, it seems….

By Anonymous

October 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Dusty’s hatred of America extends even to its original inhabitants, it seems….

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

How dare someone call my beloved Dusty an idiot? HOW DARE YOU? You leave Dusty alone, or you’ll answer to the gay surrender monkeys who fly out of her butt!

By Shar

October 17, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Dear Dusty @ 1:59 - In discussing genocide against the Native Americans, I was referencing our country’s past “deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group”, to cite the Random House definition. The reason that we have, as a nation, avoided examining that campaign unlike the discredited practices I cited above is that recognition of the act would lead inevitably to some form of redress, and the economic implications of returning even one half of one percent of what was taken from the Native peoples would stop the American economy in its tracks.

If you worked with “thriving” Native Americans, you were indeed fortunate. Poverty, alcoholism, domestic abuse, unemployment and educational failure are all far higher among Native Americans than among the American population as a whole. In 1999, the death rates among Native Americans aged 15 to 24 was found to be eleven times higher than the American average, attributed primarily to homicide, suicide and accidental deaths which were alcohol-related. You are correct, Native Americans are no longer confined to their reservations but they still have no control over the resources of those areas. The BIA is the “trustee” for all reservation resources and negotiates contracts, sets prices and takes an “administrative” percentage before any money is returned to the tribal council. Corrupt exploitation of tribal oil and gas resources, for example, is an epidemic that the Native Americans are helpless to correct, and which drains away funding to improve conditions on the reservation.

However, the current situation, on rez or off, has nothing to do with the genocidal efforts in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. That was planned, executed and documented by political, military and social forces with the stated purpose of eradicating Native Americans. The National Archives houses evidence of this which is overwhelming and indisputable.

Those facts don’t change regardless of the accusations you point at me or the happiness of the people you worked with in the summer. Refusing to recognize and learn from the facts has played a big part in the continuing degradation of life on Native American reservations. I don’t see how tolerating that equates with being a loyal American.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Dustbuster@2:31

Ignorance is bliss. You must be very happy.

By Dustbuster

October 17, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

I went to one of those Indian PowWows in Cherokee, NC. Everybody seemed happy to me but I wonder why so many of the happy, dancing Indians were speaking Spanish.

By time to mercilessly sneer at brain dead liberal vermin

October 17, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

@ Wackie turd re 1:32

jesssssus wept!!! U sure is one sad coprophagic wankpig!!

LMFAO @ Ur paranoid puke @ my naughty, devilishly clever, utterly (at least to brain dead feckwits)obfuscating “name change”. The treasonous far leftist pukes on here all know who I am. Unlike the execrable aborted foreskin and the Lance Korporal Syphilis/inbred redneKKK nutter and its multi-ids I make NO daily attempt to “hide”. My witty flamboyant tone/patter is distinctive regardless of the anti-leftist scum id I use!!.

As for your dullard, doltish, cringe making yet pleasingly cretinous attempts at horrid beastly personal abuse … the average dyslexic bi-lingual lobotomised chimp has more wit, erudition and comedic gravitas.

By Curious Observer

October 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty is referring to her acquaintance with fire-water, you morons. There are many American Indians in her AA group, and she “works with” them all.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

I think it’s high time our government take another hard look at selling firewater to Dusty’s indians.

By getalife

October 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Yea, Seniors are getting a raise:

Social Security going up by 2.3 percent

Choke on that wingnuts.

Bwa.

By Dusty

October 17, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Shar,@2:46

You can quote facts from books and much of it true. But the interpretation is different in many cases. As has happened many times in history, new settlers were the cause for war or deprivation. Does our Anglo-Saxon language give you a clue to people overtaking others?

I did not say reservations were any more perfect than anywhere else. But local Indian governments are running them. They have their own police service. The Indian Health Services(federal) runs almost all Indian Hospitals and give them free of charge. That is where I worked. But some reservations have vast resources. The Navajos have bountiful natural resources and a reservation the size of West Virginia. The White Mountain Apaches have a large timber industry, fisheries, summer and ski resorts and airfields for their famous firefighters and their planes. The Cheyenne River Reserviation in South Dakota was not blessed and unemployment was high. This too happens as has happened in places outside of reservations.

Native Americans are using every means available fighting alcoholism. They have clinics, public information and rehab centers. They invest in higher education.

Well, I could tell you a lot more but I have to leave. But do not think of Native Americans as objects of pity. They are proud and I will work with them every chance I get.

By Shar

October 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Curious Observer @ 2:55 - Between you and Dusty, I have been reduced to a politically correct, anti-American out of touch moron.

I think you have been talking to my teenagers.

By Aquagirl

October 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

Oh, since Jews are doing pretty well—what with their own state and all—I guess Dusty’s with Ahmadinejad on the holocaust being a figment of our collective imagination.

By Jackie

October 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

@ime to mercilessly sneer at brain dead liberal vermin

Changed your name again, huh LOOKOUT!! When will you man-up and take your meds? Almost forgot, they don’t have medication for the classification that would apply to you.

By Jackie

October 17, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

The Turkish Parliament approved a resolution for the Army to invade Northern Iraq. The monthly Social Security raise for seniors is $24 and Dubya says that he is still relevant and will work hard until his time is up. WOW!!!

By Camus

October 17, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

There are still Jews in the world, so there was never a genocide.

There are still Cambodians in theworld, so there was never a genocide.

There are still hutus and Tutsis and Armeinians and Gypsys in the world, so I guess there was never any genocide, ever.

You know, black people aren’t slaves in America any more, so there must not have ever been slavery, either.

Thanks, Dusty, for clearing all that up. This truly is the best of all possible worlds.

By TigerTown

October 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

If China attacks Turkey from the rear, do you think Greece will help???

By deegee

October 17, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

“The Navajos have bountiful natural resources and a reservation the size of West Virginia. The White Mountain Apaches have a large timber industry, fisheries, summer and ski resorts and airfields for their famous firefighters and their planes. The Cheyenne River Reserviation in South Dakota was not blessed and unemployment was high.

Well, I guess 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty and Shar, you rock. KimChi Lover, are you sure it was invented? I always thought it was something that grandma buried in the ground and then in her dementia forgot about, only to have it excavated half a century later by Junior whilst he played in the yard with his Tonka truck. If I’ve been right all these years, then it wasn’t exactly discovered; Jr. invented it.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty and Shar, you rock. KimChi Lover, are you sure it was invented? I always thought it was something that grandma buried in the ground and then in her dementia forgot about, only to have it excavated half a century later by Junior whilst he played in the yard with his Tonka truck. If I’ve been right all these years, then it wasn’t exactly invented; Jr. discovered it.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Got the last line rt. 2d time. Apologies.

By tiem to cyber lynch wackie turd's lesbian dwarf alter ego

October 17, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Ooooooooooooh … get Wackie turd!!

another brutally unfunny, queeralicious, cringe making, rabidly gormless attempt at personal abuse with all the wit, erudition and comedic “bite” of a transgendered ADD Possum with end stage Marxist Alzheimers.

are U aborted foreskin in plastic spastic disguise? are U taking that reeely cheep counterfeit ritalin again?

WANKER!!!

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

deegee @1:48, you’re lying again. Yours is not a “conservative” definition of genocide. Its a very liberal and encompassing definition, and also utterly false. To commit genocide is to wipe out a people, or to come damn close. At least you remembered the “socio-political” criterion from your last Amnesty International dunning letter. Mass killing bad. I for one oppose it. The coinage “genocide” denotes a deadly serious and necessary distinction, which you would like to obliterate. Don’t screw with important words like this one when you don’t have the chops.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

The Armenians are very swarthy people. Instead of being labeled as genocidal monsters, The Turks deserve a nobel prize for their work against Global Swarthing. I cant believe Pelosi cant see that.

Get it? it rhymes w/global warming, and gore got a nobel prize, get it?

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Shar and Dusty, thank you for the straight talk about Injuns. Presumably you’ve both heard that the DNA record drawn from Native American remains from the East Coast to the Rockies shows that smallpox and other diseases were pandemic in the pre-Columbian period. I don’t raise this to refute anything you’ve said, but rather to ask you, given your knowledge of the Ancient Americans, just where the hell do the scientists get off, ransacking venerated bones for DNA? It seems that the cultural defilement continues.

P.S. My understanding is that the same research traces Hopi origins to the northern Japanese islands, and that the DNA is corroborated by the philologists. Interesting in itself, but is it so important to know that we have to get ghoulish to find out? Seems like an extreme form of modern religious intolerance, or something like it.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

How can you tell which airline passenger is a gay terrorist? He’s the one light-n-the-loafers.

By Aquagirl

October 17, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Glenn, your definition of genocide exists nowhere but in your own pompous head. Go publish your own dictionary if you want to make up words, including distinguishing between “liberal” and “conservative” genocide.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Light’n the loafers!!!

God, I’m good.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Aquagirl, my hed ain’t pompous; I is. See the Random House definition cited above. Sez same ting, mon. While you’re at it, look up conservative and liberal, and ferevinsakes find out what a “neocon” is. Then, when you’ve begun to use your own language, write, again in English, to the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles and ask them what they think of using the word “genocide” to cover all politically motivated mass killings.

By Political Foreskin

October 17, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

turkey has been out to get the pesky kurds for a long time. Nobody thinks it’s a big deal because they’re always shelling the mountain people or raiding their caves or sending helicopters to pound them over and over again at the slightest provocation. That’s why this is so dangerous. Everybody is asleep at the wheel with Turkey’s aggression against northern Iraq.

Turkey an Ally? Where were they when we invaded Iraq? They refused to allow flyovers. They kept their borders closed. They weren’t allies until we made some dirty backroom deal with them about something, who knows what it was. But when we started the Iraq war, Turkey was no ally.

Pelosi remembers. Bush forgets. Cheney steals. Rice apologizes. The turks sharpen their fangs.

The kurds are separatists, and want their ancient squatter’s rights for the land they were squatting on when the turks drove them.

Sound familiar? what other race of people were squatters being herded and driven throughout history……uh, idontknow…cant think of anyone…..it escapes me….er, could it be….the jews?

The chosen people are now the kurds.

By Captain Freedom

October 17, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

THE Captain is excited to see that Sister Dusty has been stalwart in her defense of the White Christian Campaign to Save Heathen Savages carried out so effectively in the 1800s. As she rightly points out, this was not genocide, but was rather a social outreach and economic betterment program. Thanks to these efforts, Our Nation is no longer plagued by scalp-hungry savages; we have instead channeled their talents into fleecing-by-Casino.

Bravo to Sister Dusty, denier of Genocide. I always knew she had the strength of character to Preside over a small country. I hear Iran is fond of Holocaust deniers; perhaps she would consider the post?

A last word…THE Captain is the one and only. Whilst THE Captain appreciates the noble-yet-illiterate efforts of Godly Redneck, and equally abhors the Politically Uncircumcised Man Part, it is untrue that THE Captain shares an identity with either of these Wooten-dwellers. Believe it or not; THE Captain could care less.

In His heart, He knows He is Right.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Shar, agree with your description of Dr. Rice. Still, I think she’s got to go and run one of our best universities and give up diplomacy. She’s getting rolled constantly. It’s not a gender thing. Golda Meir or Jeanne Kirkpatrick would do nicely. But somebody far more fierce than Condi.

By Glenn

October 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

By the by, the Turks say that most of the Armenian deaths they’re charged with bringing about in 1915 were the result of starvation owing to wartime conditions. Some of the rest, they say, was internecine. For their part the Armenians say that all of it was choreographed by the Turks, in the later style of Stalin at his collectivist best. Maybe Columbia should host an Ahmadinejad-led colloquium on the subject…