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DEL.ICIO.USSCHIP scheme: Don’t use children as pawns
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Milked shamelessly by partisans who see children as a political instrument to regain the White House, Democrats are mounting a last-minute campaign to override President Bush’s veto of a costly new entitlement along the road to HillaryCare.
“We’ll try very hard to override it,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) said Sunday of Thursday’s planned vote. “But one thing’s for sure, we won’t rest until those 10 million children have health care.”
They’ll not rest until 10 million children — and the rest of America — have taxpayer-provided health insurance with bureaucrats setting the rates and practicing medicine. We’ve seen already in efforts at the state level to creep coverage upward and outward and to mandate benefits by legislative edict body-part-by-body-part how this drama ends.
If Democrats are successful in using the State Children’s Health Insurance Program to put another Clinton in the White House, the end could be soon.
This program, incidentally, is a measure of how far national government has sunk and how dysfunctional Congress has become. Its 11 percent approval rating is earned.
Democrats don’t have the override votes, something they’ve known from the start. “Having conceded that they will not override the president’s veto,” said U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell), “Democrats should move immediately to work with House Republicans to develop bipartisan legislation that puts our neediest children first and lives up to the original intent of the program.”
After failing to override President Bush’s veto, Republicans will offer full reauthorization of the program for children in families with incomes below 200 percent of the poverty level, or about $41,300 for a family of four. They’ll offer tax credits for families between 200 and 300 percent of poverty, helping those families keep existing coverage or provide them income to buy coverage in the private sector. Another element would encourage states to experiment in helping make policies available to the working poor.
Cooperation may not be in the cards, though, any more than veto override, despite efforts to flip Democrats such as U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Macon). Marshall wisely voted no to a huge expansion of a program that, when the details are made known to mainstream Georgia voters, would have gotten him defeated. Instead, now, the leftists in his Middle Georgia district are in a dither and determined to extract revenge. It’s an empty threat, though.
The threat is just as empty as the promises that a 61-cents-per-pack hike in tobacco taxes will fund the proposed expansion. The Washington-based Heritage Foundation studied that promise and found that 22 million more people would have to take up smoking for the math to work. But, then, the cost-projection numbers are phony.
The Senate bill, the lesser of the two in terms of cost, increases spending from the current $5.6 billion per year to $13.9 billion in 2012 — and then projects the cost to drop 69 percent in 2013 to $7.8 billion and to $4.8 billion the next, Heritage points out. It’s phony.
Of the newly eligible children, 30 percent to 35 percent would be shifted from private insurance, Heritage projects.
Earlier the Congressional Budget Office projected that of 1.2 million children newly eligible, about half would have come as a result of dropping private coverage.
House Minority Leader John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said more than 500,000 low-income children are eligible but not participating in the current program — but 700,000 adults are.
In Minnesota, for example, 87 percent of the beneficiaries of the State Children’s Health Insurance program are adults. That’s 5,243 children and 34,313 adults. In Wisconsin, it’s 66 percent. That’s 56,627 children and 110,298 adults. In New Jersey, it’s 38 percent adults; in Arizona, 53 percent and in Michigan, 46.
SCHIP reauthorization will be a test of whether official Washington is into governing — or is simply too mired in partisan politics to get past dreams of 2008.
This fight is not about children. It’s about how adults vote.
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By Mid-South Philosopher
October 16, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
The proposed SCHIP legislation is very much like the No Child Left Behind Act. It is hard to debate against it without seeming cruel, heartless and uncaring. Both pieces of legislation have as a theme the betterment of children. Who can argue with that? However, both are illogical, deeply flawed, and indicative of product that only drunks (reformed or otherwise) could possibly have created.
The SCHIP issue is interwoven with the larger question of universal health care or, as in the dreams of the liberals…excuse me…the “progressives”, socialized medicine.
The health insurance industry, the medical care industry and the drug companies, all dominated by corporatists, have, not so slowly, priced more and more people out of securing their health care, insurance, and medicine from the private sector. Many companies and employers that used low cost health insurance as a perk for their employees in lieu of pay raises in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s are bailing out now that costs are rising astronomically. Consequently, more and more people are turning to the government to fill the void.
Now, we all know that there are some people sitting at home, watching big screen televisions, smoking cigarettes, and drinking beer, all the while on the dole from the government. Of course, those leeches are out there…just like the corporate leeches of K Street and other corporatist neighborhoods are out there!
We need a President who will address the broader issues of our society and our national economy. Thus far, from Hillary to Ron Paul, I haven’t seen such a leader emerge. Newt Gingrich and his American Solutions programs moves in that direction, but, likely, Newt is not electable.
Where is a Chester A. Arthur when we need one!
By TW
October 16, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this
Compromise – insure the children to satisfy the Dems. Then fit ‘em with a gun and send ‘em to Iraq to get the Republican ‘support’. Bipartisanship!
By No Good Plan
October 16, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this
I know a family who has 4 children on Peachcare who’s father works for un-reported cash and their family is about to go on their 3rd cruise this year. They also have 2 new computers, 4 automobiles, 3 cell phones, etc. Until a way of means testing those receiving the benefits is devised, we should not be increasing funding for this program. The money is NOT going to the most needy. I also exchanged emails with Cynthia Tucker regarding this situation last week in response to her SCHIP editorial. When presented with the facts, she never responded back.
By joyce
October 16, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this
What the demoncrats have offered is the first step towards socialized medicine. Ask the Brits who are having to pull their own teeth about the glory of socialize medical care. Most of the children I know on Peach Care have sorry, lazy parents who should be forced to provide insurance for their children by working like the rest of us.
By jbmlaw
October 16, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. Our democrat friends are incapable of arguing for big government on the logical merits, and thus always resort to purely emotional micro-illustrations of the need for expansion of Leviathan. Otherwise Hollywood bimbos and bimbas would not be called to offer their expert testimony before Congressional committees. It is all about the soundbite, the dumbing-down of the electorate.
Certainly there are a large number of uninsured children, mostly offspring of our undocumented immigrant guests. I don’t know why we should require a taxpayer-funded guarantee of the incomes of medicrats. As to the large remainder of those who would be newly-covered by taxpayer largesse, I suppose it would allow those with salaries up to $80,000, and singles aged up to 24, to terminate their private coverages. Why shouldn’t we increase the tax burdens for the struggling middle-class, middle-income family of four to pay the way to keep the medicrats in the style to which they are accustomed.
By Donna P.
October 16, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
The uninsured can go to a local medical clinic and for $40 to $50 see a doctor. There are ways to get medical care without insurance. I’m tired of the whining people are doing about health care. I’m sure those who are complaining have money for alcohol and cigarettes.
By Aquagirl
October 16, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this
Gee…was that the Bush administration that shoved through Medicare prescription coverage? They were shamelessly milked by partisans who saw the elderly as a political instrument to retain the White House. They didn’t rest until 28 million Americans had taxpayer-covered health insurance with bureaucrats setting the rates and practicing medicine.
Now what were you saying about those 10 million kids, Jim?
Maybe the reason Wisconsin has 66% adult coverage is because the Bush administration issued them a waiver back in May to do so. If you don’t like adult coverage by SCHIP, your shrub has the authority to end it himself. Why complain? Oh, it makes them look like they give a flip and are trying to be fiscally responsible. Using taxpayers as pawns….Hypocrites.
By Matt
October 16, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
Does anyone know where Wooten gets his facts? Anytime I google SCHIP, I get political rhetoric in both directions.
By jbmlaw
October 16, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this
I yield to the superior argument of MidSouth - he said my thoughts better than I.
By Donna P.
October 16, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this
The uninsured can go to a local medical clinic and for $40 to $50 see a doctor. There are ways to get medical care without insurance. I’m tired of the whining people are doing about health care. I’m sure those who are complaining have money for alcohol and cigarettes.
By Donna P.
October 16, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this
The uninsured can go to a local medical clinic and for $40 to $50 see a doctor. There are ways to get medical care without insurance. I’m tired of the whining people are doing about health care. I’m sure those who are complaining have money for alcohol and cigarettes.
By Just Nasty and Mean
October 16, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this
Anybody with a brain and cognition knows this bill was developed to be nothing more than a “stick” on which to bash Bush (and Republicans) for not “caring for the children”.
Political partisans Pelosi and Reid contrived the terms of this bill (supposedly paid for by non-existent smokers, coverage for families making $84k, adult coverage) such that any logical leader would veto it—-exactly what the Socialists (Democrats) wanted so they could campaign on “neglecting the children”
These shameless, partisan, power hungry, self-centered hacks have no more interest in doing what is right for America than my dog. They want political “triangulation” to beat on Bush (republicans) and that is all. This is clearly demonstrated by their lack of ANY accomplishment and abysmal approval ratings nearing single digits, but GREAT reviews by the mainstream left-wing media.
By Redneck Convert
October 16, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this
Well, I seen how the libruls dragged out that punk kid to claim the country needs this SCHIP program. What we ought to do is drag the kid and his parents outdoors and give them a good whipping, the way we done Those People before the libruls stepped in and made it illegal. Claiming the kid wouldn’t be able to walk without the guvmint health insurance. Well, I don’t see nothing in the constitution that says people got the right to walk. It gives him the right to life, but not to walk. If God wanted the kid to be able to walk again, He would of healed him right there on the spot. Sort of like Oral Roberts used to do. “Heal!” He would of said, and the kid would get up from his hospitle bed and walk. The kid must be a Big Sinner, else God would of healed him already.
The libruls won’t stop till everybody has health insurance. Then there won’t be no advantage to working. All the welfare bums and the slackers will have insurance just as good as the people that work.
I like the tax credit idea of the godly Republicans. Course, the people that need the guvmint insurance don’t make enough to pay taxes to get a tax credit from, but that’s not the Republicans fault. If they want to be covered, they need to get out and work three or four jobs to make enough. The kids too.
Anyway, if people had any sense this SCHIP thing would be over. Just go to the emergency room at the hospitle when you get sick or hurt. The law says they got to doctor you and it’s free! You don’t have to pay nothing. So why should the hardworking taxpayer have to pay for something that all these people can get for free?
But no, the libruls got to make My President look bad. They got to try to override the veto and then claim My President is Scrooge McDuck for wanting to keep kids from getting doctoring. And all to get this Hillary woman in the White House. That will be the end of the U.S. of A. for me. Me and my buddy Jim Earl already decided we will leave the country if they put a librul and a woman to boot in the White House. There won’t be nobody to buy the beer I deliver. Drunks and druggies like TFTT will be stripped nekkid in taxes of everything and won’t be able to afford it, and poor jbmlaw will be taxed so hard he will have to settle for prune juice at his partys. We will probly be in a world war in no time when this Hillary woman gets her monthly and is in a bad mood.
Anyway, it sure don’t look good for godly Republicans next year. 12 of them in the House already decided it ain’t worth running again, and with “Diapers” Vitter and the godly Sen. Craig in trouble for picking up some paper in the next bathroom stall, it looks like the libruls will still run the House and the Senate after the 2008 election. We need a good white Christian Republican man in the White House to keep the libruls from ruining this country. And not one of the people that’s so stupid they got married 3 times and still don’t know what a big mistake they made.
By JK
October 16, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this
No Good Plan @ 8:25: These people are committing tax fraud first, and peachcare fraud second. Existing tax laws are not enforced, and there are many well-to-do people among us with nice new stuff who do not pay their rightful share. (HELLO? What “American” company recently moved their headquarters to Dubai to avoid paying American taxes?) Being a tax cheat is condoned by Republicans who justify it with tales of the undeserving receiving government subsidies. How will removing subsidies of every kind force people to pay their rightful share of taxes?
And yes I know people too: like the woman whose [white, American, private-school educated] husband bailed and moved to Costa Rica to avoid paying child support. She makes $15 per hour with no insurance benefits and supports two children alone. Without Peach Care, she’d listen to her child scream with an earache all night with no place to take him. As it is, they are “accidentally” dropped from the program every few months, and she has to jump through all kinds of hoops to get reinstated, even though she’s never been late on a payment or paperwork ever. That’s how it really works.
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
“The uninsured can go to a local medical clinic and for $40 to $50 see a doctor. There are ways to get medical care without insurance.”
Oh, really, Donna? Ever try to get medical care without insurance? I know folks who do, and they universally agree that it sucks.
How many medical procedures have you ever paid for out of pocket? How many hospital visits?
Do you know anyone who’s actually covering themselves with the crappy, high-deductable “affordable” plans being offered today? Well, I do (that’d be me) and I can tell you that even if you ARE insured privately, you’re still paying a boatload of money just to attend to basic needs.
40 or 50 dollars? Yeah, maybe… but what if they actually find something during the visit? What then?
But hey, I don’t want to discourage any of this ignorant Conservo-discourse. So far we have in this thread the usual pack of lies, straw men, and anecdotes passing for statistically valid data.
I have every hope that this complete lack of attention to reality on the part of the right wing will lead to yet another election defeat in 2008.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
Wackieturd’s rabid lies and pathetic interlecktual dishonesty about Sanchez were freaking funny yesterday - but its inability to do more than puke up pallid, flaccid lame effete worthless gossamer lite insults in psychotic defence of its snivelling imbecilic idiocy was arguably even funnier.
Wackieturd undeniably cannot ACTUALLY DEBATE factual points - it just robotically and emptily anally pukes up its vile moveyourbowels/org LIES!!
Wackieturd - as a rabid leftist maggot brained scumbucket competely IGNORED what Sanchez 100% accurately said about the fascist treasonous cowering left in the party of demoNcrat hate media!! Indeed viortually the entire far left media SHAMELESSLY IGNORED Sanchez s remarks about their Quisling like moral fascism.
Funny how wackieturd ‘bleats and whines’ about reasonable, fair comment descriptive prose about its yellowbellies hate America far left self - yet it rabidly and gleefully pukes up despicable Bush hate like an energiser appeasing surrender monkey. Such moral fascism is so pathologically typical of the treasonous COCKroaches that now endlessly copulate with the far left vermin that its now impossible for these mentally diseased leftist swine to even spot their hectoring hyperbolic hypocrisy!!
Wackieturd is just another failed should have been aborted far left nutter cravenly bloviating its perfidious filth and bile!! STFU already!!!
Just wittily and factually mirroring back YOUR - and the rest of the diseased herd of far left moral fascists’ hate and bile Wackieturd!!
go on now Wackieturd - like a good commie parrot puke it up one more time … Bush is a “criminal” … and the rest of your unhinged bollocks … like it really matters!!! … huge I hate leftist scum smirk
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this
“it just robotically and emptily anally pukes up its vile moveyourbowels/org LIES!!”
Wow, Jim. You’re attracting some high-end clientele these days, huh?
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
I see the possumpissfilled guttersnipe yanKKKee turdburglar inbred redneKKK has obsessively YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN yet again puked up its daily desperately envious of yours truly yanKKKee bile. The utterly inadequate KKK wannabe inbred is now as sadly anally obsessive and as anally unfunny as the execrable aborted foreskin and its million plus witless dumbarse cyber ids thare are even easier to spot than a dead termite in what’s left of a dead - or alive - Kennedy brain!!
By ron
October 16, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this
On the information question above;Politicians and reporters in today's world can make up their own information.If the issue and the facts don't agree,change the facts.By CC
October 16, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
When Republicans shamelessly hide behind children to get their way they are cultural heroes. When Democrats try and help children get the health care they need WITHOUT their families losing their homes they are branded as cowards. You people make me sick. You are so wrapped up in your money and your wealth and the rest of the world be damned. How very sad. You all need to look into what is left of your souls. I am sure every single one of you conservatives bashing Graham Frost and his family (who have gone through a terrible experience) call yourselves good Christians. Prove it.
By Howard
October 16, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
Jim…concerning the SChip…what did you expect from Democrats? They’re the Mafia pure and simple and will do anything and use anybody to advance their warped and socialistic view of this country. Using children…children defined as kids over 18?? as a tool to get votes. Their entire existence is based on the premise that people are stupid enough to believe their lies (which about 50% are) and people are lazy and sorry enough to love hand-outs and freebies (which about 50% are)and will all vote for them. I hate ‘em worse than the Muslim terrorists. They’re more of a danger to the USA than anyone from the Middle East.
By jbmlaw
October 16, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Dear JK @ 8:57, “Being a tax cheat is condoned by Republicans who justify it with tales of the undeserving receiving government subsidies. How will removing subsidies of every kind force people to pay their rightful share of taxes?” Good question. To borrow responsive logic from the memorable Willie Sutton, abolition of the subsidy removes the taxpayer burden.
By Billy
October 16, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
So far we have in this thread the usual pack of lies, straw men, and anecdotes passing for statistically valid data.
Right. And this child the right seems hell-bent on vilifying is only out there because no one ever believes the other side’s anecdotes. If Reid brought out a story about this child, he’d be called a liar. Everyone uses children to push their agendas. Some people’s agendas are just more noble than others. Yes, I believe guaranteeing children’s health care is more noble than providing paths to the privatization of the public school system by for-profit companies…
By Glenn Gilbert
October 16, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, stop being rational and topical & such, and try indulging your inner name-caller.
Jim Wooten, thanks for doing our homework for us on SCHIP. I used to work for the outfit that did the federal evaluation of the program (there have been many state-level evals), and the thing really ought to be blown up, rather than fixed. It was meant as an experiment anyway, and politicizing it just makes a bad situation worse.
The Psalmist sed: “Like as arrows in the hands of the giant, even so are the little children.”
By TW
October 16, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
Is ‘fear’ an emotion? Anybody? Anybody?
By Billy
October 16, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
“…abolition of the subsidy removes the taxpayer burden.”
So they’ll just be cheating on a lower total amount of tax burden? Well, that’s acceptable.
By JK
October 16, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
Dear jbmlaw, thanks for the “DUH.” However, not everyone feels as you do, that only the natural forces of survival of the fittest should operate in a civilized society. Taxes are still required for infrastructure, defense (and care of wounded soldiers), law enforcement, education, and the public good. Since you make it clear every day that your only interest is your own, and not the public good, your keen observations really aren’t pertinent to this discussion. Thanks anyway, but I’d rather live in a society where my neighbors children don’t spread tuberculosis to my own because YOU told their hourly-wage parents to “s—k it.”
By Wooten Hates Kids
October 16, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
I bet Jim Wooten’s grandchildren have health insurance!
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
“Some people’s agendas are just more noble than others.”
Right. Like Bush’s “snowflake babies” press conference, where he was surrounded by kids that—we were to make this enormous logical leap—might not have existed had EVIL EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH been funded!
(Of course, they never mentioned how many embryos were destroyed makin’ them snowflake baybeez… nor how there are plenty of fertilized eggs out there for both purposes.)
Let’s see—in the SCHIP kid’s case, it was a REAL problem. In the snowflake baby’s case, it was a PHONY problem.
Who’s been using “children as pawns” again, Jim?
By Marc
October 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
Yes, there is a lot of politics associated with SCHIP expansion, but all of you are forgetting that it still is an issue about kids despite what Jim Wooten says. They don’t have a voice in this, unfortunately.
And one way or another, society pays. Insuring kids means we’ll pay less.
By Glenn Gilbert
October 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Even the most libertarian-inclined among us tend to see the value of government when it comes to bridge inspectors.
By Glenn Gilbert
October 16, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this
Marc, yes. Let’s not leave the children out in the cold (as, incidentally, colonial Americans not infrequently did with female newborns). Let’s chuck this COWCHIP and start over in earnest. Like, now.
By Shar
October 16, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
Glenn Gilbert, I have been admiring your recent posts. They are refreshing, pithy and on topic. This morning’s is no exception. I would add, however, that deciding which bridges to inspect (and fix!) is where the debate begins.
By Glenn Gilbert
October 16, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
Shar, that’s good. Reckon you’re right. And I suppose that while we’re at it we could ask who gets the bridges and the bridge-building contracts, and for how much, etc.
Thanks for the compliment.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this
The far left feminazi hatepig randy rhodes was very likely deservedly attacked in the illegal leech sanctuary of New Yaaaaaaawk City over the weekend. Hopefully it was by an illegal leech felon who’d been freed yet again by a far left liberal judge. That would indeed be sweet karma!! Rhodes every single day pukes up its far left treasonous hate to the smallest ‘national’ talk radio audience in US history … being massively subsidised by hypocritical limousine liberal far left smear merchants who know that the laughable ‘nationally intended’ dead air america HAS hilariously over several extremely expensive years now ALREADY ABJECTLY FAILED to get any kind of meaningful audience.
the ONLY really good news about this marvellous, long overdue incident is that the feminazi hatecow Rhodes’ dog was OK and not harmed.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Wooten Hates Kids
SNIGGER SNIGGER SNIGGER
another pathetic glib liberal LIE!!!
see how these far left vermin just puke up their fascist knuckle dragging hate because someone disagrees with their socialist commie surrender monkey world view!!
By Camus
October 16, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
So, who is “using” children for political gain?
Not that I expect facts to alter the demented wingnut opinions here, but still:
WASHINGTON — Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that he alerted reporters last week to questions bloggers raised about the financial circumstances of a 12-year-old boy Democrats had used to urge passage of an expanded children’s health insurance program. It has been reported already that an email from a McConnell aide went out to reporters telling them of the winger attack. But this appears to be the first time that McConnell’s people are publicly acknowledging their role in trying to push mainstream reporters into joining the attack on young Graeme. Stewart acknowledged to the paper that he’d done this as “part of regular conversation with reporters.”
What makes this story even better is that after McConnell’s aide tried to get reporters to push the story, he quickly realized a few hours later that the whole thing was a big sham and tried to call reporters off.
This is significant, because it shows that McConnell’s operation cheerfully urged mainstream reporters to pick up the winger attacks without even bothering to fact-check them first. When Michelle Malkin pointed her finger at the Frosts and started howling, McConnell’s staff immediately joined in the fun — that is, until they realized that they had a big dud on their hands. More from the Courier-Journal:
Hours later, he said, he sent two follow-up e-mails waving reporters off.
“Forgive me if I already told you this, but a blogger that I trust (and who hadn’t written anything on this issue yet) tells me that after spending a lot of time on this, they now believe there’s no story there, that the family is legit,” Stewart wrote in one e-mail, according to the text he provided to The Courier-Journal. “So I’m passing that along to the folks I wrote to this morning. Fair is fair.”
In the other follow-up e-mail, Stewart wrote, according to the text he provided: “I just heard from a blogger I know who did some research. Says it’s not a story, they’re the real deal.”
So, just to recap: This story was too bogus even for McConnell and the gang to push. You’d think this would be chastening to Malkin and her pitchfork mob. But it won’t be, because nothing ever is.
At any rate, the office of the top Republican in the U.S. Senate has now publicly admitted that it actively tried to get mainstream reporters to participate in the smearing of a 12-year-old and his family — before he even knew whether there was any truth to what the wingers were writing.
By Glenn Gilbert
October 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
jbmlaw, on 2d thought, don’t bother indulging your inner name-caller. It’s so, like, not cool anymore, so yesterday, so 10:14!
By Curious Observer
October 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Yes, the hypocrites like jbmlaw will go on mouthing Christian platitudes and attending church on Sunday morning, content with having done their part to deprive children of adequate health care. They will resort to any scrurrilous tactic to avoid paying taxes to underwrite such care, including attacking a 12-year-old. You have my utter contempt, jbmlaw, and so do the rest of you who want to keep the United States in the same status as third-world countries that have no provision for national health care. Go ahead and deliver your anecdotes to justify your caveman positions. We heard the same thing from you when you discussed imaginary welfare queens who rode in Cadillacs. Your time is coming soon. November 2008 is not too far away.
By Victory
October 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Wow “time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings” you are one messed up human being. So full of hate and vitriol. Why do you have to be like that? What good does it do? I just guess you are another violently angry man who has a miserable life and has to bash others to feel good about himself. Why else would someone write the sort of hateful non-productive things you write? If you care so much for your causes do something about them besides whining. I am so tired of conservatives like you who complain the loudest yet have no ideas. You sir are a huge part of the problem.
By J
October 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
“Milked shamelessly by partisans who see children as a political instrument to regain the White House…”
You mean Michelle Malkin? (zing!)
Please, Jim, spare us the histrionics about Democrats engaging in pure politics - both sides are equally guilty of that sin. Jim is just whining like a stuck pig because after years of Republican control of Washington, and thus “the message”, the shoe is on the other foot.
Or, more accurately, the political shoe is now in the hands of Democrats and being beaten over Republican foreheads.
BTW, doesn’t SCHIP provide federal grants so states can purchase PRIVATELY PROVIDED health insurance for children? Admittedly, it’s a bureaucratic food chain (federal bureaucracy->state bureaucracy->private health insurance bureaucracy), but the money still winds up in the private sector. It’s a bit of a stretch to call that government-run health care, don’t you think?
And I can’t pass this up: “This program, incidentally, is a measure of how far national government has sunk and how dysfunctional Congress has become. Its 11 percent approval rating is earned.”
Um, is that why the Wall Street Journal (obviously a propaganda organ of the left) reports that: “those who favor expanding SCHIP outnumber opponents by a four-to-one margin (53% vs. 13%), according to The Wall Street Journal Online/Harris Interactive poll, conducted Aug. 16 to 20. Fifty-eight percent of U.S. adults, including half of all Republicans, agree that expanding the program is a good idea, since it has been successful in reducing the number of uninsured children in the country. Only 13% disagree, the poll shows.”
So, let’s get this straight: Congress has a low approval rating because they’re trying to authorize a program expansion supported by a majority of the voting populace, including half of all Republicans??? How does that work?
By Aquagirl
October 16, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
@ 10:39 : Victory, may we have the pleasure of cordially introducing TFTT?
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
The worthless unhinged LIAR peeping tom pukes up yet more sick and twisted lies!! The 12 year old duped and used brat and the brat’s car accident circumstances that the demoNcrats puked up in that Goebbels like video nasty was a complete LIE!!!
That kiddie (and other kiddies in very similar positions would similarly be helped) recieved all its medical attention through the current SCHIP programme. This kiddie was therefore despicably used by the LYING far left scum in a vain attempt to make yet another disgustingly dishonest dissembling LIE “true”.
shame on the far left scum for their Nazi like lies using this brainwashed kid WHO was obviously FED such barefaced LEFTIST LIES and shame on the equally doltish leftist lying parents!!
but as ever peeping tom COMPLETELY IGNORES THE FACTS!!
which are that BUsh is actually offering to increase SCHIP provisions by @ $5 billion - but NOT for those middle class types who can afford insurance … or their parents/adults as Senor Wooten so clearly points out above!!
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
“You mean Michelle Malkin? (zing!)”
He means Stalkin’ Malkin.
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Camus, come on. Surely you know the answer to your question “who is ‘using’ children for political gain?” Everyone is. And not just for political gain, but for fun and profit too. But then maybe I’m just being a dupe of the corrupt agenda-driven media. You notice they never report on the 11 year-old girls who masquerade on the Internet as middle-aged federal agents, or about the children who seduce their priests with the sexually provocative clothing they demand from Abercrombie, or about the toddlers who, when they’re not too busy cuffing their parents, regularly abandon them to oven-hot parked cars or discard them in alleyway dumpsters with no regard whatever for parental rights, or who conspire — and this the press will never dare cover — in great numbers to pool their resources to ensure that vast school systems are maintained wherein they refuse to apply themselves to the business of learning, instead running the places as though they were built for them and seeking every possible opportunity to turn the enterprise toward their own advantage.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
@ DICKtory
“hate” … HA HA HA HA HA .. like the typical brain dead surrender monkey you simply dont get it!! I’m just having great fun at the expense of dim witted far left vermin!!
Why else would someone write the sort of hateful non-productive things you write?
LMFAO … please puke up some of this witless patronising moveyourbowels.org bollocks … PLEASE!!! don’t be all selfish now!!
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
LMFAO … please puke up some MORE of this witless patronising moveyourbowels.org bollocks … PLEASE!!! don’t be all selfish now!!
By Dusty
October 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Oh bother!! Using sick children again to promote politics!! What a bummer. Lest we forget….
When you are 25 years old, you are NOT a child.
When your family makes $80,000/year, you are not “poverty stricken”.
If you are so “dim” you cannot find an ER, doc-ina-box, county clinic, caring physician, Parish nurse to take care of your suddenly ill child, then no one can help you, not even the “socialized” medicine being promoted here surreptitiously by Democrats.
For Democrats to feature a sick child is nothing more than a political Munchausen Syndrome. The usual form of this syndrome is for the mother to MAKE a child sick to get the attention. The political form is to USE a sick child to promote political policy. Either form is very SICK!
Jim Wooten has given us, in explicit detail, the facts on using children as pawns in politics. It needs no elaborations.
By I'm Sure Wooten Doesn't Really Hate Kids
October 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings @10:19am
First of all, my post was obviously tonge in cheek. Or was intended to be.
More importantly, I want to help you understand the difference between a socialist and a fascist, since you seem to think they are the same thing.
socialism - a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
fascism - a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
To make it a little clearer for ypu….socialists are typically associated with the “left” while fascists are associated with the “right.”
By getalife
October 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
Check out the pic of the kids the right chose to attack
Geez.
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
BTW:
“The far left feminazi hatepig randy *[sic] rhodes was very likely deservedly attacked”*
Jim, are you ok with posts advocating violence against public figures?
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Go Dusty.
By Mrs. RepubLady
October 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
Thank you Dusty! You took the words right out of my mouth. It was Hillary who made those children sick in the first place in order to raise campaign donations. I know this to be a fact. And besides we know anyway that God only allows children to be sick if there parents are bad. Anywone can find a doc in a box or clinic IF they are good white Christian people of respectable lineage. If they aren’t, they don’t matter anyway, and why should we care if there sick?
Dusty, I’m in the mood for some new Louis Vuitton. Phipps at the usual time?
By catlady
October 16, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
My suggestion (since I absolutely hate the way SCHIP is headed): make it available for EVERY US child. No income test for inclusion. Its generous benefits are available to every citizen under 18 (unless they are married or have a child of their own—in that case they are ADULTS). Everyone has to pay each month for each child (like the real world). No “free first six years” like we have now. Those who make more pay more. Those who have more children pay more. No”pay for two and the rest are free”. Maybe $10 per month per child for the barely above medicaid level, up to $150/month (or more) for the wealthy. Unnecessary trips to the ER incur a healthy fine—we should discourage folks from this. Do an adequate job of checking folks income and severely penalize and jail those who lie (and steal). No one can claim the high moral ground on “socialized medicine”, not after what we have done with Medicare.
BTW, those “illegal leaches” so many talk about—their children, in our area, are on Peachcare because the children were born here and are considered citizens. Until we change that, so that the mother must be here legally to claim citizenship for the children, we will have more and more of these children. I know quite a few parents here illegally who have 8 or more (US born) legal citizen children on Peachcare.
While I am at it, I also think women who get Medicaid to have babies should have to repay the money the taxpayers spend, even if it means money from welfare, tax returns, etc. until the debt is paid.
By Carol
October 16, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
To “No Good Plan” Look up your county’s Department of Children and Family Services and report the tax and welfare cheaters. Don’t just complain. Give them specifics, ie cruise dates, car tag numbers, etc.
Most PeachCare parents are responsible citizens that are trying to make ends meet in a country that has seen employer benefits shrink and wage increases lag behind inflation. Health insurance cost have skyrocketed. An average family policy cost about $12,000 a year. Try making a budget on a $48,000 income that would provide housing, transportation,and food, clothing for a family of 4. THEN, see if there is money left over for health care. Lastly, where were all of you that are screaming “socialized medicine” when the trillion dollar Medicare pharmacy program was passed? Millionaire seniors are being subsidized with our tax payer dollars. SCHIP funding is minor in comparison.
By Jack
October 16, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
JK @ 8:57. That guy that moved to Costa Rica should get the rusty hacksaw treatment. :)
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
catlady, thanks for taking head-on the challenge to start kicking around some ideas for common healthcare for children. Such a difficult and dauntingly complex problem that it’s like a shot in the arm to hear some clean & simple ideas, such as your repayment for publicly funded obstetrics. That helps, by the way, to address the complaint made here last week by a tired hospital worker who said that on the previous day something like nine of the 10 women admitted to her ER (!) were non-citizens whose obstetrical care was therefore free. County hospitals all over the country are closing because of this and similar problems. Seems amiss that under these extravagant circumstances a child also should be born into citizenship, their parents subsequently encouraged to parlay the child’s citizenship into their own.
By tater salad
October 16, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
One thing that never goes away on this blog is liberals posing as evil, greedy, rich republicans like the lefty fraud at 11:10. The quasi-communists on the garbage bin left are so predictable. Note how not one of them tackled the age 25 and $80,000 questions about the “poor children.” Meh, what are facts to an over emotionalized tin hat liberal. Just put more dependents on government for collectivist power. That’s what it’s all about. How ultimately pathetic and un-American. No surprise really.
By SCHIP - THEFT BY TAKING
October 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
SCHIP is just a fraud to transfer tax dollars to the health care industry. The medical crooks out there, and there are many, already collect some two trillion dollars per year from Americans, that is 1 in seven dollars of GDP. Children are by far the healthies age group in America, yet Hilarity the Clown wants to throw health care money at them, plus pay their parents a voting for Hilary bonus of one thousand dollars. The fat cat administrators of health care organizations are already preparing bonus and stock options for themselves as a result of all this free money the Hag is offering. The docs, nurses, and othe direct care providers will get nothing extra out of SCHIP except highter taxes, higher inflation, and the added burden of a dollar dying even faster on foreign exchange markets. Of course, who expects stupid women voters to think things thru?
By Dennis
October 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
It’s pathetic how Wooten’s toot’n puts down the costs of child healthcare, yet he’s, hardly, if ever, said a damned thing about the costs and the waste of money for an unnecessary war in Iraq (not to mention the wasted lives of American soldiers).
But, you don’t expect better from a neocon.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this
RepubLady, curious that you should mockingly acuse Dusty of taking the words right out of your mouth when you are busy putting words into hers.
And no, she can’t meet you at Phipps. She and I have a noon tee-time, and it’s been hard enough getting a woman into the club without her spurning golf for a French seducer like Monsieur Vuitton.
By Dusty
October 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
Mrs RepubLady at 11:10
Well, thanks but no thanks as to shopping. ( When Captain Freedom/ RedNeck Convert dresses up in “drag”, he calls himself Mrs. RepubLady.)
You don’t shop at Phipps. They don’t specialize in menswear.
Hillary makes a lot of people sick of her politics. You got a little mixed up on that subterfuge. But then you ARE a liberal loser. They are usually crazy mixed up government moocher makers.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
@ one of the easiest of far left t wats to goad!!
cheers for the moronic DECIDEDLY OBTUSE patronising attempt at an ideology lecture.
the POINT about my use of ‘fascist’ is that the pragmatic modern usage/meaning of it has evolved to mean ANYONE who is rabidly intolerant of anyone else’s POV. Thus we have far left fascists -moveyourbowels.org, codepinko, various stop the war traitor groups, far left ‘anarchists’ who viciously attack any one who opposes them etc -and islamic fascists etc, both types of pondscum are clearly utterly intolerant of any opposing views. Far left fascists also talk of fundamentalist christians as being fascists - homosexual queers do this often. These days fascist has become a term that is NO LONGER limited to the Franco/Mussolini style corporate state.
Your pitiful attempt at defining socialism shows what a SIMPERING weedy little moral fascist U are!!
Socialism is about state theft of private property/nationalisation, oppressive centralised control of economies by (invariably) unelected far left dictators, the hysterical oppressive opposition to ANY kind of profit motive for business owners, oppressive socialist ONLY control of a nations everday life, little or NO freedom of press or association, a vicious ONE PARTY STATE, usually oppressive levels of anti-semitism, political reedcuation for opponents and torture/mass killing of opponents during the ‘revolution’, invasion and oppression of neighbouring countries, mass personal corruption by the ruling party elite and on and on - summed up by the infamous Clause IV of the British Labour Party - which Tony B.Liar hilariously and sensibly turned his back on in 1997 - which is why true socialists hate him like they hate BUsh and REagan!!
socialism is invariably an ‘interchangeable’ term for various genocidal strands of marxism/maoism/marxist-leninism/trotskyism. a moral and political cancer that is just as evil as hitler’s nazism or backward 7th century mohammedan fascism!!
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
Dennis, you say that Mr. Wooten is both a neocon and a conservative. How is that possible?
P.S. It is I who am unclear on the concept of “unnecessary war”. Presumably you’re using shorthand, but for what?
By getalife
October 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
[Not about about the children Jim?] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAvxrgtLr4)
Geez, you really do hate American children don’t ya?
Iraqi welfare?
100 % behind that aren’t ya?
By ray
October 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
glenn: perhaps you could explain why the war was necessary.
By SCHIP - THEFT BY TAKING
October 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
yo getawife - with your song and dance about chemo and surgery, how do you find time to blog all day long? House a mess, no job, sucking off the old SSI must give you to free time to blog your life away. Maybe the Hag will offer a special Cancer Payment Initiative that will pay you for caring for your, eh, wife and pay for all her health care needs? After all, in your world, it to each according to her needs, and from each according to his abilities, right?
By getalife
October 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
Not about about the children Jim
Where is the outrage on the FDA giving themselves large bonuses after failing to stop Chinese goods that kill..
Iraq contractor corruption and waste of a trillion in Iraq?
Corporate welfare for the rich?
Your selective outrage on American children shows your true charcacter and why the gop will always be the minority and marginilized.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this
I knew that (presumably) the sickster aborted foreskin would USING YET ANOTHER one of its many thousands of PATHETIC supposedly “anonymous” id’s bite on the randy rhodes post … and COMPULSIVELY anally bite on the sneering respelling of randy.
rhodes is a cowardly far left Bush hating hatepig and as such is a perfectly legitimate target for true patriots!! Just as true American heroes like Ann Coulter and the Minutemen have despicably been physical targets of far left RATS!
Funny how scumbags like aborted foreskin and peeping tom never ever SEEM TO say anytHing about far left violence!!
Although Rhodes might just have been a mugging that went wrong. Who knows and who cares. I personally wouldn’t actually expend any energy advocating physically attacking it, or its ilk - but its hardly a matter for any regret.
Now if the FEMINAZI hatepig’s dog had been harmed it would truly have been an outrage though!!
By Brad
October 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Liberal talk radio show host Randi Rhodes was savagely attacked and beaten Sunday night. Naturally, with zero proof other than circumstances the demunderground nuts are saying some neocon did it and it’s the beginning of ‘upping the ante’. Like what does that mean? Don’t you just love the libs who are so much for innocent until proven guilty? Phonies.
However, this comment needs to be addressed:
Apparently, some right-wing critics of lib talk aren’t happy that conservative talk only accounts for 90% of the programming on talk radio. These whack jobs appear determined to whatever it takes to silence the opposing point of view.
Well, I’d say that was the left’s attitude towards Foxnew in a media swamp 90% dominated by the left.
That said, beating a woman no matter what her political affiliation and what she says is not cool and I hope whoever did it is caught and strung up. Now, I just know <—- that comment would have been said by a lib had Malkin been attacked. So sure.
By Dennis
October 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
In response to “By Glenn October 16, 2007 11:43 AM;”
I’m not using any “shorthand”. The war in Iraq is an “unnecessary war” for oil.
That’s well documented for anyone who’s willing to be honest about it.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
By Shark Sammich
October 16, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
The right-wing thug gave us:
American heroes like Ann Coulter and the Minutemen have despicably been physical targets of far left RATS!
Ann Coulter took a whipped-cream pie to her face, you filthy liar.
Randi’s teeth were bashed out.
Jim, again I ask—are you ok with a poster who advocates physical violence against public figures?
By getalife
October 16, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Instead of being a gop suka-ss , why not some good reporting on the water shortage, our broken government or corruption.
Geez.
By Alfred B.
October 16, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this
Seems like Mr Wooten lost the common sense part of his title.
SCHIP is necessary for us the lower middle class. We the ones who are not on social programs, who work two jobs, who are married and have kids need this program for our children. Our jobs don’t offer family health care any more, or of they do it’s a third of our total income!!.
I guess Mr Wooten kids are well covered by private programs and his tax money is to dear for him to expend in my kids health but not in Black Water contracts.
By Dusty
October 16, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
Dearest Glenn@11:35,
Merci beaucoup but I must decline even your fabulous invite!! I had on my pink booties and burka! My pastel clubs were ready. But alas! Sir Sears-Roebuck called and I was swept off my feet!! He even mentioned a Burger King feast afterwards. Forgive me!! I am weak!!
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this
Well ray, I wasn’t really trying to change to Dennis’s topic, the war, I was just kind of scratching my stubble trying to figure out what struck me funny about that particular use of the word “unnecessary”. Guess scratching one’s stubble is a philosophic kind of gesture and I was just in a speculative mood or something. I mean, this state was scorched from stem to stern and gutted from beam to beam in a war that I have a hard time calling either “necessary” or “unnecessary”. So I was hoping that Dennis could just tell us which are his reasons for evidently finding the war ill-advised. Different folks have different reasons, obviously.
You put the onus on me to report why I think the war was “necessary”, so I guess that sticky word has now stuck to me. Since you ask, I’d felt increasingly, over a period of many months preceeding and following 9/11, that the U.S. “needed” (see what I mean about the strange usage?) to launch naval and aerial operations against Iraq and then go in on the ground to oust the regime if only because Saddam had gotten into the daily habit of trying to shoot down UN-ordered peacekeeping planes bearing the American star and, sometimes, the Queen’s livery. Where I come from we call that an act of war.
By Momma
October 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings — I hope you have insurance because you need some serious psychological evaluation. You bash, fight, demean and degrade. Why? Why are you so full of anger? Your words are those of someone who has fallen off the beam. PLEASE get the help you need!
By Dusty trails
October 16, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Dusty, will you be donating your brain to science when you pass on? I mean, it hasn’t been used for as many years as you’ve had it. I don’t think that parroting Jim Wooten and the rest of the GOP disinformation squad uses any brain cells. What’s it like to never have to think for yourself?
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
BRad
I agree, in virtually any instance a woman being beaten is absolutely indefensible and if this was a mugging gone wrong then the thug(s) need to be caught and punished - but in liberal sanctuary New Yaawk City they rarely are caught … let alone suitably punished for something like this. This is a deliberate policy that the pandering lefties need to realise has consequences!!
there are a handful of so far left hatepig wimmin that are so beyond the pale when it comes to handing out hate that when/if they get some kind of payback I personally do not care very much. I would never perpetrate such a thing myself - but after years and years of this feminazi’s unremitting public airwaves hate surely a lack of sympathy is hardly unsurprising.
The lefties on the website I saw were ranting about the far right doing this!! Hopefully the typical commie violence/intimidation that the brave selfless Minutemen and Ann Coulter and David Horowitz and so many others are constantly subjected to will not spread. But its the far left that do this ALL DAY LONG TO THOSE WHO THEY cannot answer in actual debate.
By Glenn
October 16, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
getalife, I didn’t know about the FDA raises for the China-enablers. Outrageous. Many, many outrageous things in our post-Tienanmen posture vis-a-vis China. Both parties, both Bushes, both Clintons heavily involved. Kissinger and Haig also. Absolutely disgraceful.
As to “corporate welfare for the rich”, the GOP doesn’t think that corporate tax breaks are for the rich, but rather for all who are party to a corporation, including employees, managers, subcontractors, municipalities, customers — and for that matter citizens at large, who benefit generally from prosperity. The French, among other species, seem never to have mastered this point. Also, every Democratic statehouse muck unflinchingly puts together incentive packages to lure businesses and keep them happy. The practice isn’t reserved to Republicans, though you’re right to identify the GOP with the cultivation of commerce, about which Democratic politicians generally know very little.
By Jackie
October 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
The Repubs say they want to stop the abortion of babies, yet, they want to deny those same babies medical care. You have to ask the question, is one concerned about the well-being of the child, or concerned about making political points? @time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings. Waiting for your comments. Yesterday’s rant has not been forgotten.
By getalife
October 16, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Glenn,
It is obvious our government is broken.
Jim chooses to ignore this reality like a good little german
By ray
October 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
glenn: yes. response similar to libya would have sufficed.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
(I’m assuming again) the sickster aborted foreskin simply cannot be honest enuff to post under its real anal dumbarse id …
who ever U are - cheers for biting so very nicely!!!
As just one example - The Minutemen were very seriously threatened, thuggishly intimidated and physically prevented from speaking BY A MASSIVE far left LYNCH MOB at the far left ivy league RATturd campus Colombia. There have been numerous well documented violent attacks on conservative speakers around the nation. Yet Republican students do NOT physically attempt to try and stop the cowardly far left staging their events.
NOTHING WAS DONE by way of punishment to the far left rabble at Columbia for their far left fascist brownshirt thuggery!!
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/
By Dusty
October 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
Dusty Trails @12:25
Sweet talk will get you nowhere, even though you are kinda cute.
I bet you are busy. Have you found another sick child to put on TV for the Democrats? Have you found a 25year old to apply for children’s healthcare?
Get busy, fellow. Liberals are counting on you.
By time to liquidate lying leftist lunatic lemmings
October 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
@ fatobesehatepigMAMMY!!
I’m just having tremendous fun winding U far left scum up!!
I note U say NOTHING about the far left fascists who obsessively post their Bush/GOP and anti-Wooten hate on here all day long!!
TYPICAL Far LEFT HYPOCRITE — U can hand it out but cannot take it!!
just like the forum sneak aborted foreskin!!
By getalife
October 16, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
And of course, “crusty the clown” is the witch of the so called “pro life” who casts spells upon our children.
We get it crusty, you want our kids to die.
Ride off on your broom witch.
Geez.