Thinking Right

By stuffedshirt

September 22, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

kids are basically healthy people and do not need a big fancy health care program. however, if the gov throws money at kids health care, i guarantee the health care industry will grab that money and run to the bank. all kinds of new disease trends will suddenly appear in six year olds. just cover all immunizations up to say age 19, including hpv, flu, tb - use the swiss vaccine for tb, because the american version is only 40 percent effective vs 90 percent for the swiss, as well as pneumococcal, the usual vaccines for kids, and any effective new vaccines that prevent any of the remaining childhood diseases. thats it. chronic illnesses should be covered by medicaid for the really poor, otherwise the existing insurance, private pay, health care stuff should be out of pocket.

By deegee

September 22, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Why not let the tax code do the social engineering by eliminating the tax credit for dependent children. Let everyone pay their fair share for their progeny. Sounds like a thinking right plan to me.

By stuffedshirt

September 22, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

if we are revising the tax code, i suggest we scrap the current system, and go with a head tax. just divide the federal budget by the total population each year, and send every man, woman, and child a tax bill, including all illegals, convicts, and mental patients. they either pay up, or they are arrested and traded to a foreign country for a rich immigrant willing to pay the tax bill, plus all expenses involved in the trade. the dead beat american of course loses its citizenship, and forfeits any social security benefit it may have paid into the system.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

The dems will cave, the kids will get their s chip and Jim will whine about it.

Hillary’s plan is very good and socialized medicine will never work in this country because our government is broken and can’t handle anything but giving out money.

It should be drastically downsized to save billions. Reform this, reform that, it is the government that needs reformed.

For goodmess sakes people, do not trust our government for anything until it is reformed.

Louisiana has had enough with corruption, has term limits and cracking down on ethics. Half the House, half the Senate and a Governor will be gone without a vote. I think the same thing should happen in Washington to get rid of the corrupt fossils. Term limits should be written into government reform.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

“Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani said Friday that the alternative minimum tax — which is expected to generate as much as $1 trillion over the next 10 years — could be eliminated over the long term by balancing it out with even more tax cuts.”

Think about that a second and tell me if that would work or make it much worse?

Geez, Rudy is another w.

By Dr Coles

September 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

We will never have affordable health care until we fix the problems. We need to fix the health care issue but we cannot fix it unless we know how it is broken. For the answer, please see http://www.InteliOrg.com/

By Dr Coles

September 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

We will never have affordable health care until we fix the problems. We need to fix the health care issue but we cannot fix it unless we know how it is broken. For the answer, please see http://www.InteliOrg.com/

By Dr Coles

September 22, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

We will never have affordable health care until we fix the problems. We need to fix the health care issue but we cannot fix it unless we know how it is broken. For the answer, please see http://www.InteliOrg.com/

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

“Louisiana has had enough with corruption”

‘Bout time you democrats decide to do something with your own kind. When are they going to have enough of racism? Shreveport, Baton Rouge, Slidell, and small backwards towns in between them all like Jena make Alabama and Georgia look as progressive as New Jersey.

“Hillary’s plan is very good and socialized medicine will never work in this country because our government is broken and can’t handle anything but giving out money.”

Uh oh. That’s two.

“Term limits should be written into government reform.”

Strike three! I’m done. In one posting I have agreed with just about every point getalife had to say (excluding things like the Shrill’s “free” health care being a great idea - a government program that would comprise 15-20% of this nation’s economy is a disaster waiting to happen).

By Jeff

September 22, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

deegee:

Want reform? Vote for the only Presidential candidate that can actually bring it…

Dr. Ron Paul

By getalife is in for a rude awakening

September 22, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Suprise punk! Doom is here. I saw your slanderous ID jacking comments yesterday and would like you to know that your posting days will soon come to an end.

Doom

By getalife

September 22, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Here is a couunter to jim’s (w’s) drivel:

rotten,

It took years for voting for term limits until it finally passed.

The contracts were politician and family biased and that is ending. Haliburton, the occupation for oil and cheney are a classic example of this corruption and the need for reform.

Of course you agree, I post the truth and facts.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Speaking of health care and and democrats, let’s give it up for Bill Richardson’s proposal to include America’s fata-sses into the Americans For Disability Act! Sit your fata-ss on the couch all day and eat pizza and become disabled under federal protection. Yay! Give it up for the comedian!

Like I always say, libs never know when to say enough is enough. Coming soon to a democrat’s brain stem for inclusiveness:

People who wear corrective lenses - Lasik at the taxpayer expense!

Anything to grow the federal teet and more dependence, right libs?

By getalife

September 22, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

doomed,

Enjoy rour freedom to voice your opinion here but you will never take mine way punk.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

George Looney had a motorcycle crash.

Well that’s just a damn shame.

By getalife is afraid of the power of Doom

September 22, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

You know you can’t beat me. I always win.I’m Doom. Give it booty boy!

P.S. Stay away from @@.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

doomed,

She is all yours and you stay away from Midori.

Deal or no deal?

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

My man Fred: “My wife would make a much better First Lady than Bill Clinton.” Hehehe. Sorry Fred, that was pretty funny, but John Edward’s husband is not running for president.

By stuffedshirt

September 22, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

we will never have good health care until quacks like doc coles learn not to repeat themselves over and over again. quack, quack, quack

By You can have her

September 22, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

finally gettingalife,

You can have her. I heard she had the crabs anyway. HaHaHaHa!

Doom

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Tales from the crips: Dems get spanked again on an Iraq Defeat bill. “The rejection of the Levin-Reed proposal means the only amendment passed by the Senate this week was a resounding 72-25 condemnation of the now infamous MoveOn.org ad”

One has to remember from last week’s comments that when Democrats lose by say 10 votes or so, it’s still some sort of “victory” for them somehow. How, I’ll never know, but some how in a lib’s mind, it’s a victory. I’ll put it another way: if a football game were between libs and cons, and cons won the game by a 3 point field goal, libs would still justify the close score as a victory for them. Mental cases.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Lazy Fred lost Dobson and will drop out soon.

Too much work, like the Senate, for the old coot.

His wife is fine but the liitle old wingnut ladies do not like her.

The men, well they are established perverts who prefer other men like doomed.

By You couldn't leave well wnough alone could you?

September 22, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Why do you persist on attacking Doom? I told you you could have Midori. Just remember to have plenty of antibiotics when you guys get together. I’ll be sure to tell her to have plenty of vaseline to accomodate you.

Doom

By Keith

September 22, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

One shortage the USA doesn’t have is a people shortage, yet the government and even some businesses subsidize and encourage larger families. Income tax deductions, Peach Care, private insurance charging the same premium for 10 children as for two, more kids equals more welfare payments. I don’t think having lots of kids is smart but it is a right. All taxpayers should not subsidize the personal family decisions made by some. You want ‘em, you pay for ‘em.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Hey rooten rotten.

Moveon raised over 500k after w bashed them.

I donated for more air time to attack those spineless dems that made that vote.

Here you go

Bwa.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

A man is charged with domestic assault for throwing an onion at his wife.

Rumor has it that his wife was sleeping with men and only wanted to be compensated with spaghetti dinners. This whole thing is onion abuse on a pastatute.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Meh, you can do whatever you want to with Kook and bowelmovement.org, getalife. This world would be too boring without them. Thrills and shills.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Hmmmmmm. Something is wrong with this picture. Columbia University extends it’s left wing arm out to Iran’s terrorist supporting president, yet tells the Minuteman founder to go F himself.

Things like that^^ are what the extreme left liberal wingnut kook fringe Daily Kos and bowelmovement.org stand for.

Bwa.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Seven in ten American men and women disapprove of the way this President is handling his job. I say that qualifies as an unmitigated disaster in and of itself, wouldn’t you?

70%! And STILL the GOP offers no real change. Can you say dead in the water in November 2008? They are looking straight into the face of losing the White House and many more seats in Congress.

And mainly because of their inane neo-conservative ideology. That and a penchant for unbridled corruption and less than “family values” sexual scandals. Oh yeah and spending the nation’s money like drunken sailors on payday at the local wh-ore house.

They’ve had nearly thirty years since Reagan started them down this failed slope, but NO ONE in the party has the guts to abandon the worst of it’s aspects.

That three in ten still approve, or at least say they do is remarkable. IMHO that is more of a testament to their willful blindness, sheer embarrassment, intransigence and ease of manipulation than truly believing in arguably the worst administration in American history.

Like their party’s leader the neo-cons simply can never man up and admit any mistakes. They see it as weakness. Moral Americans admit to their errors and know that is a strength.

I would not be surprised if our “war time President” and hero of the Texas ANG has one or two more major blunders up his sleeve though and by the time this nation, and the rest of the world, is finished enduring his incompetence and lack of leadership, the approval numbers may well drop into the heretofore unthinkable 20% range or lower.

I guess with his experience “running” the Texas Rangers though, he can relate to simply playing out the season and yet again finishing at the bottom.

By blue mullet

September 22, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

… for the Founding Fathers, the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.

You don’t say Mr. Ellis. And, uhm, that’s news or something?

By Wootenduh

September 22, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Well, well, we finally found a “freedom of speech” issue that the liberals are firmly against:

{{{{A teenager was arrested after police reportedly found hangman’s nooses dangling from the rear of his pickup truck after he drove past a crowd of people who had attended a civil rights march.-Urinal}}}}

I too agree that this is horrendous behavior, but I also think showing Jesus Christ as a gay man or a crucifix submerged in urine is just as bad, but remember, the coward pinkos called those atrocities “free speech.”

Come together on this subject Conservatives, let us all think back and recall all of the times that Koward Klux Klan told us that it was a right of free speech, no matter who it offended.

Let us make a list.

~~~~~

{{{{“It would make as much sense just to execute every 10th or every 100th murderer [as] it would be to figure out the rhyme or reason for why we’re picking the ones to get the death penalty,” said Atlanta defense attorney Jack Martin.-Whining Urinal}}}}

Gee, I wonder how someone could avoid such a horrible fate, uh, let me think, gosh, I’m just so bewildered, um, maybe not kill any innocent people, duh?

Not even mentioned as an option within the Urinal’s Cry Baby column, always tears for the vicious murderers, always disdain for their victims, sick, sick, sick.

~~~~~~

In cooperation with Al Qaeda, the Atlanta Urinal Constitution is sorry to report that we have no happy news to report from Iraq, as no innocent women and children were suicidebombed yesterday.

We are cautiously hopeful that our brothers in Al Qaeda will be blessed with success, allah willing, and will kill some more apostates and infidels for us and our cause.

May a curse be upon Bush and Betray Us.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Seven in ten American men and women disapprove of the way this President is handling his job.

Meanwhile, only 1 in 10 Americans approve of the way the Dem-led congress is doing theirs.

But I wonder, how many people, like me, disapprove of Bush’s domestic performance because he hasn’t been acting like the Conservative Republican he ran as? Hmmmmmmmm?

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

The Democratic leadership really does make me laugh out loud sometimes. They are such woosies and so afraid of everything that they will never catch up to their GOP counterparts in arrogant assurance.

For example, take the moveon.org item recently.

If they had any balls they would do what Ronnie did back in his run for California governor, when one of THE big issues was the John Birch Society endorsing him.

You remember them, right? They were the poster boys for the “lunatic fringe’ and were an odd collection of far right-wing bigots, conspiracy theorists and McCarthy wannabes who even stooped so low as to accuse Eisenhower of being “conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy.”

Reagan rightly noted that he would accept the endorsement of ANY law abiding group, but that he would not feel compelled to endorse them.

In his diary regarding this matter he wrote, “My refusal to indict this group (the JBS) has nothing to do with fence sitting but is because of my deep seated conviction that the greatness of our nation is our willingness to grant people the right to be wrong - so long as they do not infringe on the constitutional rights of others.

(Yes, I know I hammer on Ronnie a lot based on his policies and results, but in many ways I also respect quite a few of his traits and characteristics.)

End of story, but the Dems always get led around by the ear on this matter. Funny.

By For the Record ...

September 22, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten:

Surely you must know that you, your opinions, and your party, are finished.

If not today, then soon; in the rest of the country first, tben here, in Georgia.

Try as you may to sustain yourselves with a political program that is little more than a FOX news appeal to the greed, fear, stupidity, and hatred of an imploding splotch of aging, angry white men, you will be overwhelmed by those of us who believe in what is best in the American character: our innate belief in fairness for all, and our essential generosity of spirit.

Think of who will win the “pure politics” war in 2008?

Think of the messages to new, yount Georgians:

Newly eligible voters: Karl Rove, Glenn Richardson, and Karen Handel want to deny you your right to vote by controlling your IDs, even though they allow Republicans to cheat on absentee ballots. Like Bush/Cheney, they also they hold that they are answereable to no one if they decide to read your email or bug your phone, because they believe that the President’s powers are unchecked. Defend the Constitution!

Georgian mothers with children: George W Bush and Dick Cheney have signed off on BILLIONS for their corrupt corporate friends in Iraq, but will surely veto a bill to pay for health care for children in their own country. Stop him!

The list is endless. Your defeat is ineluctable — and, as Kathy Griffin might note, Jesus has nothing to do with it, thank god.

PS: While you are waiting for your ultimate irrelevancy, how about trying the civics exam?: I got 57 out of 60. Honestly. What about your merry band of right-wingers? I will even spot jmblaw an answer: by definition public goods, in their purest form, are both non-rival and non-exclusionary**

By getalife

September 22, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

filty rotten,

Which part of the government is broken do you not understand?

Hence, their poll ratings. I am starting to believe that this country has so many problems w created without any solutions, the dems do not want to be the majority.

w will leave this mess to the next adminitration and it is doomed to fail like doomed.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

“Ads Don’t Kill People; Wars Do”

Score a point for Richardson.

This guy should replace Condi today.

At least she is trying to stop dick from bombing Iran but she will fail because dick is a dick. Two occupations are not enough for darth vader. dick is pure evil.

Like w, she accomplished nothing.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

It is hard to square the two very disparate numbers but my research which combines the results on numerous polls actually reads 27%. Which is probably more believable.

http://time-blog.com/realclearpolitics/2007/09/newreuterszogbypoll.html

Still very poor, I agree. And I am definitely no apologist for this long standing, spineless, do nothing, rubber stamp Congress. Just look at our representatives from Georgia as evidence of the dumbas-ses that overwhelm Capitol Hill.

Yet I’ll bet that when asked about their individual representatives most, left AND right, would give them very good numbers. Go figure.

But with the upcoming elections looming, and with presumed smaller Republican representation I would guess (hope?) that the worst of the incompetence and lack of results across the board we’ve endured for years will diminish. We’ll see.

But I wonder, how many people, like me, disapprove of Bush’s domestic performance because he hasn’t been acting like the Conservative Republican he ran as?

To most of us, Bush running as “conservative” on ANY issue, foreign or domestic was about as believable as Chavez promising to be a humanitarian.

So rather than holding his feet to the fire, the supposed conservatives RE-ELECT him and again grant him carte blanche to do more of their neo-con bidding and only now complain about his lack of conservatism!

Nearly seven years in. Incredible.

http://www.republicansforhumility.com/conservative.html

By Doomsday:Friday Oct 5,2007

September 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

The one and only Doom is going to announce the top blogger on Luckovich’s blog on Friday Oct 5.

All of you Wooten bloggers need to be there or be square.

Doom

By Shaka

September 22, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Where the white women, where the white women

By Wootenduh

September 22, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

{{{{By Wootenduh September 22, 2007 12:06 PM Let us make a list.}}}}

Either my fellow wingnuts are mired in apathy or they don’t understand my request.

So, as in the great tradition of duhllness, let me lead by example.

I got one!:

{{{{In representing NAMBLA (um, North American Man Boy Love Association) today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children (but of course!).}}}}

{{{{What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.}}}}

{{{{It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive.}}}}

Yes, unless you insult liberal, hahahaha:

{{{{The previous statement may sound harsh out of context but take into consideration that in 1997 10 year old Jeffrey Curley was kidnapped, raped and murdered. The two men arrested and later convicted were Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari and in their possession there was NAMBLA literature. The Curley family sought retribution by attempting to bankrupt the organization that justified the type of behavior which led to the cruel murder and molestation of their son. And to the defense of NAMBLA was ACLU of Massachusetts lawyer John Reinstein who said that seeking retribution from NAMBLA “would gravely endanger important First Amendment freedoms.”}}}}

Is that not just so sick or what?

By getalife

September 22, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

“Mexico’s former leader says Cowboy Bush is afraid of horses:

Vicente Fox, who finished his term as Mexico’s president last year, pokes fun at the cowboy credentials of Bush in a new autobiography, recalling the time Mr. Bush turned down an offer to ride Mr. Fox’s beloved horse. “He demurred, backing away from the big palomino,” Mr. Fox”

He is a fake, a fraud, just like Jim and his ilk.

Make sure I retain #1 doomed.

By Shaka

September 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

Zulu warriors do not like soap, water or deodorant, but Desatin is essential in preventing diaper rash! The diaper of the day will be the red one with a black stripe.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

So rather than holding his feet to the fire, the supposed conservatives RE-ELECT him and again grant him carte blanche

AmVet, blame that on the Democrats not having a decent candidate of their own for two elections. I respected Lieberman even before you libs threw him under the bush (ha ha, get it?) for the SOLE reason he supports continuity in Iraq (isn’t that essentially what you libs say about cons on Hagel, albeit their opposite stance?). Now if you think ANY “true” conservative would have voted for Gore OR Kerry, you are out of your freaking mind. Of course, as stated last week, in your mind, a “true” conservative is a lib like Hillary or Obama.

Regarding your never-ending “neocon” phraseology here, again, most true conservatives are not former Jews, are not former liberals who turned conservatives, and lastly, certainly not former Marxists like David Horowitz. But, if it puffs your balls up and makes you feel better like most of your fellow libs throwing words around you don’t understand, then so be it. I’m a big boy and can handle labels unlike you liberals … err I mean “progressives.”

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Wootenduh, let’s try something else and see if anyone will jump in. The ACLU supports the “free speech” rights of the klan and neonazis. Now thereupon lies a dilemma in lib land. If the ACLU supports the “free speech” of the klan for example, then where does a “hate crime” come into play if the klanners are just expressing how they and/or their copycat wannabes feel by hanging nooses? If the ACLU supports the “free speech” of the Jew/Israeli haters (sounds a LOT like the libs lol), where is the “hate crime” in expressing their freedom of speech?

Duh indeed.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Vicente Fox, who finished his term as Mexico’s president last year, pokes fun at the cowboy credentials of Bush in a new autobiography,

Haha. Thanks for the laugh getalife. That man can’t even keep his OWN PEOPLE around, and he’s slamming Bush about some cocky horse. I’ve been riding for 25 years and occasionally come across a horse with “bad vibes.” Maybe that horse just didn’t like gringos.

Fox is about as credible as the sorryas-sed VW Beetles that what’s left of his people make. Off topic: A co-worker bought his daughter one of those new Beetles made in Mexico and had to get THREE of them from the dealer before one worked right.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

“Where the white women, where the white women”

Hey Polyfo, why don’t you just go watch Blazing Saddles just ONE more time.

By jbmlaw

September 22, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Dear Wootenduh and Rotten Tomatoes, your proposals are not uninteresting, but I cannot get past getalife’s 10:03 post - that sounded more conservative than anything Wooten or I have written. I am still in shock. Maybe that was not really getalife, but was PoFo doing one of his famous impersonations?

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Dick Morris: Hillary-Richardson ticket in Oh Eight.

NOW we’re talking. Snowball (named according to Jesse) isn’t quite USDA choice yet - he needs more aging.

Speaking of The Hill, Morris has a great take on the Dark Side of The Hill’s Great Society … err I mean health care plan.

Darth Vader THAT, Shrillary.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

but I cannot get past getalife’s 10:03 post -

You too jbm? I don’t think he’s hit the sauce yet. Either that, or he’s on his death bed and repenting LOL. (No, I hope getalife is fine in health - I’m no hater and wish ill will on my political foes like Daily Kos members).

that sounded more conservative than anything Wooten or I have written

Easy there, killer. Now don’t go overboard.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

There is no question, the Democrats could have won both elections. And though they blamed Nader the first time around, he was right; they should have won them both easily.

Their slate is again weak, but I can’t imagine the nation falling for yet another neo-con, so even they are going to have a hard time screwing this one up. But they will try.

The fact remains, and no one here denies that this new Republican Party and it’s ardent supporters calling themselves conservative is nothing but a laugh riot!

Their immorality, intransigence and incompetence is NOT something to be continued, and America told their representatives to do something about this inept administration and its ridiculous non-conservative ideology last November.

And anybody with their eyes open, i.e. non-Republicans, agrees that this coming election is going to be MUCH worse for the neo-cons.

A true conservative does not falsely profess a “humble” foreign policy, while pursuing a misguided and counterproductive agenda of unwanted occupation and domination (in contrast to the original noble goal of disarming a tyrant), alienating our allies, inflaming our enemies and increasing terrorist recruitment.

A truly conservative president does not claim to be a “strict constructionist” and respect the constitution, while subverting the constitutionally designated role of Congress to declare war and authorize force with the use of cherry-picked, flawed “intelligence”.

A genuinely conservative president does not claim that he qualifies as a believer in limited government, even though he dramatically increases the power, scope and cost of government, just because he refuses to pay for it, leaving that for future generations.

A true conservative doesn’t boast that he will cut spending and then promise so may programs that even his supporters at the Wall Street Journal complain that his agenda reads “like a litany of tiny, poll-tested programs of the kind that Dick Morris used to gin up for Bill Clinton.”

A true conservative doesn’t rely on a political consultant such as Karl Rove as a key domestic and foreign policy adviser, and have him sit in on meetings of the cabinet and National Security Council.

A true conservative doesn’t attempt to portray his opponents as big-spending liberals who will wreck the budget, when he himself has increase discretionary domestic spending at the highest rate of growth in 40 years, creating record deficits from a surplus he inherited from Democrats.

A true conservative doesn’t portray himself as a champion of free enterprise while handing out billions in contracts to cronies who are campaign contributors and letting corporate criminals name their own regulators. To the contrary, a true conservative recognizes that an impartial government free of corrupting influence, and the absence of corporate welfare, is essential to the proper functioning, fairness, and survival of the free enterprise capitalistic system in which we believe.

A true conservative does not think he’s shrunk the size of the federal bureaucracy just because he’s put it on your children’s credit card.

A true conservative does not simply claim to be for “family values”, carefully selecting issues for maximum symbolic impact, then do little to advance those causes, even opposing loyal Republicans when it is politically expedient.

A true conservative does not become the first president in history to ask lawyers to find ways to get around the Geneva conventions prohibiting torture.

A true conservative does not have hand picked lawyers give him a legal opinions that as commander in chief he has the prerogative to “set aside” laws at his personal discretion, and then claim he’s spreading democracy.

A true conservative doesn’t claim to have “no ambitions of empire”, and then fill his administration with professed empire-builders.

A true conservative doesn’t campaign on promises of a “humble” relationship with other nations and then, as Treasury Secretary and National Security Council member Paul O’Neill reports, start secretly planning how he can justify a war at his first cabinet meeting within 10 days of inauguration.

A true conservative does not ignore 228 years of American foreign policy to adopt a National Security Strategy of “preventive war”, and then use cherry-picked and flawed intelligence to mislead Congress about the real motive for the war.

A true conservative does not brag that he rarely reads newspapers and prefers to get his news filtered by his staff.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

I am starting to believe that this country has so many problems w created without any solutions,

Sorry, I had to do a double-take on getalife’s 1:08.

So it’s Bush’s fault the Democrats are sitting around doing nothing with their collective heads up their as-ses.

Everyone got it now?

Laughable.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

The best hope for the nation and for the rebirth of the Republican Party is the defeat of this current crop of neo-conservative leaders.

For Republican conservatives, no Democrat is a first choice. But we have survived Democrats in the White House before. Moreover, as William Niskanen of the Cato Institute has shown, a divided government, especially the combination of a Democratic president and a Congress in which at least one house is controlled by Republicans, has consistently governed in a more frugal and conservative fashion than has been the case when Republicans controlled both Congress and the presidency.

As for judicial appointments, how much faith can one have in a president who, although professing a belief in “strict construction” holds in high esteem lawyers (and potential judicial appointees) who will give on-demand opinions that the president may, as commander-in-chief, “set aside” laws at his personal discretion, or ignore the Geneva conventions as time has rendered them “quaint”? (This may, of course, qualify as “strict construction” in the mind of a president who believes that persuading a reluctant Congress to pass a Resolution to Authorize Force by means of cherry-picked, flawed “intelligence” does not subvert the constitutionally designated authority of the Congress to declare war.)

In a Democratic administration, ending the Bush tradition of ignoring the advice and warnings of experienced military leaders, commanders of CENTCOM and the Joint Chiefs of Staff will be a welcome change.

Diplomatic realists will replace neo-conservative, empire-seeking, unrepentant, non-veteran ideologues who seek to expand the war to Syria and Iran.

Under a Democratic administration, a Republican controlled Congress may once again act as an instrument of fiscal and government restraint, rather than continuing their current binge of unrestrained and ill-conceived pork barrel and politically motivated spending.

Those traditional Republican conservatives who value individual freedom, who remain leery of the encroachment of the state on civil liberties, will no longer be marginalized by those Republicans falsely claiming to be “conservative”, but who dismiss the dangers of the unrestrained growth of state powers in the name of security, and appear to naively believe that “conservatives” like themselves will always be the ones wielding this power.

First and foremost, a Democratic administration, by replacing those who have hijacked the Republican Party, will allow an opportunity for a true conservatism, a conservatism consistent with our most cherished principles, to experience a rebirth within the Republican Party.

By deegee

September 22, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

rotten tomato, VW has been manufacturing Beetles in Puebla, MX since 1964. They sold well over a million of the old Beetle before they retooled the plant and started making the new Beetle. If you like bashing Mexicans then here is your forum.

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/immigration

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Good Lord, AmVet, is it Amazon publisher’s week or something? Oh yeah, and LAY OFF THE BOLD ALREADY.

*The fact remains, and no one here denies that this new Republican Party and it’s ardent supporters calling themselves conservative is nothing but a laugh riot!

And thereupon lies a LOT of those seventy percenters that you love to brag about so much. Newsflash: they aren’t ALL democrats and libs.

Conservative: limited government in private affairs; strong military; willingness to go to war for US interests both domestically and abroad; low and true fair representative taxation for all; low corporate taxes; no death taxes; no taxes on capital gains; no luxury taxes; private school rights; the right to home school; true freedom of speech.

Now, you tell me AmVet, how many of THOSE^^ issues do your pseudo-conservative democrat libs in both the halls of Washington and running for president support?

Case closed.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

I read Fox’s comment about Bush being a “windshield cowboy” and laughed out loud!

It obviously doesn’t matter that the president is not an accomplished horseman.

As getalife correctly notes, it is only illustrative in that W PRETENDS to be many things he really isn’t: a cowboy, a statesman, an ambassador of good will, a military man, a conservative.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

VW has been manufacturing Beetles in Puebla, MX since 1964

Yeah deegee that is true, and yellow fin tuna is my favorite sushi. Did I say anything about the HISTORY of VWs in Mexico? What the hell is your point?

1) I bashed Mexico’s Fox making fun of Bush.

2) I bashed Fox because he can’t keep his people in Mexico.

3) I bashed the Mexican people who make those cars because their quality SUCKS and gave a SPECIFIC example.

The same goes for Jettas. Real Jetta shoppers look at the door plate and see where it was made. If it was not made in Germany, they keep on walkin’.

Here’s a link from three years ago, on the topic, sister.

By @@

September 22, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

AmVet thinks that Ron Paul is a true conservative…

By AmVet August 8, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Paul is the ONLY one that doesn’t force most Americans into a “lesser of two evils” situation when voting for Prez.

Very true, Jeff. Most Americans have been so thoroughly manipulated by the two parties that they just live for the lesser of two evils.

Didn’t Jeff come in ^^^ this morning promoting Ron Paul? or was that you AmVet.

CO’s dubious claim that he is regarded as a nut case aside, my take on Ron Paul is that whenever I’ve seen him interviewed, he makes a lot of sense.

Well at least we know Curious Observer isn’t also AmVet/Huge/JJG

By AmVet August 8, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

I’m a bit surprised @@ deigns to talk to the lowest life form on earth, and though I’ve been called numerous things on these blogs, *conflicted is certainly not one of them!

The lowest lifeform is a sockpuppet like you AmVet/Huge/JJG/Jeff/???

Not conflicted? One minute it’s Ron Paul, now it’s Hagel (relative only to his military service I suppose — not to mention his opinion of the war.)

Just in case you haven’t read the news lately, Mr. Nader is not running for office. Yet. If and when he does, it will be relevant to me.

Cong. Paul is irrefutably the only candidate, on either ticket save Gravel, that represents fundamental change in Washington - something I favor a great deal. And am somewhat perplexed why more Americans do not.

You’re what’s commonly known as a spoiler AmVet….out to divide the Republican votes in hopes that the Democrats will make it back into the WH in ‘08. You probably promoted Ross Perot but voted for Clinton.

In that you have previously promoted Paul, you are one of two things. You are a MoveOn.org divisive operative or you’re a white supremacist taking aim at blacks and Jews like Ron Paul.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Daaaamn, after reading @@’s slamfest, methinks I need to jump on some other blogs here. I’m missing out on some fun! Is it Lucko’s blog where everyone congregates too? He’s the only lib on the Constipation with the guts to even have a blog where gasp! right-wingers can post.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

There are those who will always refuse to see and understand the obvious. Instead some try relentlessly to speak for others, as speaking solely for themselves seems somehow isdufficient. They always look like idiots for doing so.

How many times must I repeat that the Democratic Party holds little if any promise of restoring sanity to the government.

How many times?!!!

Save yourselves, Republicans! You can, but only if you swear off your false neo-con religion. Only if you realize that what you have held dear for so long is in many, many cases, the absolute antithesis of what the nation desperately needs and wants. And, of course, what is traditional, competent, ethical, true American conservatism.

Start over and endorse moderates and policies from both parties to regain the reasoned and reasonable center. Repudiate the very platforms that got you here as outlined above. The platforms that none of you deny you bought and own.

Disband your strange and overly cozy quid pro quo relationship with the evangelicals and fundies. Renounce your intolerance against a whole array of Americans. Throw the dirty money lobbyists and corporate w******* out on their ears. Quit acting as if ill-conceived, poorly planned, ineptly run invasions are consistent with conservatism. Quit trying to screw with people’s private lives. Quit putting your party above the nation and rewarding the sleaziest patrons. Quit the “family values” hypocrisy and holier than thou cr-ap. Quit hating any and all science that disagrees with your philosophy. Quit endangering our children’s futures, fiscally and breathably. (Breathably?) Find a leader who has the courage to do more than surround himself with sycophants and yes men. Quit obsessing about small, irrelevant wedge issues and run the freaking country properly!

In other words, in spite of the continuing and meaningless cloaked claptrap and intentionally vague sound bites that abound here, start acting and voting like REAL conservatives instead of the willfully ignorant frauds that you have been.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

The alternative is to allow the further consolidation of power by incompetent and intolerant ideologues, who, blinded by their grandiose vision, and lacking a commitment to our historic values, will continue to inflict grave damage on our safety, our liberties, and our system of government.

Fini.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Breath AmVet. Breath.

In.

Out.

In.

Out.

In.

Out.

Puff puff puff phhhbnnthtthhhhhht. Do we feel better now?

”..in spite of the continuing and meaningless cloaked claptrap and intentionally vague sound bites that abound here, start acting and voting like REAL conservatives instead of the willfully ignorant frauds that you have been.”

I presume that “claptrap” and “sound bites” in my 3:43 that went unanswered is what AmVet is referring to.

@@ nailed the bull’s eye.

By jm

September 22, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

rotten tomato@3:43 - about the same number as those who call themselves conservative republicans do.

By Shaka

September 22, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

the chimp is afraid of a lot of things: he sleeps with a night light; if he hears a noise in the night, he wakes laura to check it out; he sits down to pee, as he is afraid to splash.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

jm - that’s not an answer, as if I expected one from you kooks. So you must be saying that there are two biggies that real “conservative” Democrats support that fake conservative Republicans do: tax cuts and a strong projecting military force. BZZZZT. Try again jackass.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Want some more shenanigans from AmVet’s “true” conservatives? Let’s take a look at Mexicafornia and the fallacy of man-made global warming:

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A U.S. federal judge tossed out a lawsuit by California’s attorney general on Monday seeking hundreds of millions of dollars from six automakers for damaging the state with climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Punish the hell out of corporations for selling things people need and want. I supposed that’s a “true conservative” to AmVet.

By AmVet

September 22, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Well gotta go. Friends and a cold beer are calling. It’s been fun!

Here’s one last thing for my right wing friends to ponder.

Isn’t it another well documented neo-conservative trait that they make NO counter-arguments against ANY of the abundant facts pointed out? Predictably and sadly for them, the worst of the worst merely resort to personal attacks on the messenger. That and pretend like the mountain of evidence does not exist.

I’ve seen it all before.

Karl Rove taught them well.

By Doomsday is coming!

September 22, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Doomsday is Friday Oct 5, 2007. Doom will announce the best and worst blogger on Luckovich’s for 2007.

So far, my hunch is that the worst will be some dumba$$ liberal. Just a hunch.

Doom

By Amvet is a coward

September 22, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

After leaving a ton of meaningless mindless posts, you have the nerve to give a parting shot to conservatives? Go ahead and have a booty bash with your gay friends Amvet. Let Doom know when you’re ready to fight like a man.

Doom

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

“abundant facts”

These are just a snippet of AmVet’s abundant “facts”:

swear off your false neo-con religion

Huh? Religion? Like man-made global warming? Anyway, did AmVet not get my neo-con message at 2:36?

Renounce your intolerance against a whole array of Americans

Where the hell did that come from? Read: intolerance against liberals like me. That said, Bush’s first four years had a more ethnically diverse cabinet than Clinton ever did.

Throw the dirty money lobbyists and corporate w* out on their ears

Oh sure, DEMOCRATS don’t do that, do they? Who the hell is that jailed Clinton Hsu guy we keep seeing in the news?

Quit trying to screw with people’s private lives.

Yeah, offering parents the option to get their child the HELL out of a miserable failed government school run by liberals is really screwing with people’s lives. So is offering them the option to PRIVATIZE their mandatory social security.

Quit the “family values” hypocrisy and holier than thou cr-ap.

There are exceptions to everything and a a few bad apples in all carts. That said, Conservatives favor traditional family values and liberals do not.

Quit hating any and all science that disagrees with your philosophy.

Not all Conservatives are bible thumpers, like not all Muslims are terrorists.

Quit endangering our children’s futures, fiscally and breathably.

Addressed above.

We can see clearly where AmVet is coming from now, can’t we.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Everyone give AmVet a hand for not going postal and off the deep end this weekend. It’s well deserved for someone allegedly working on his anger issue under new management.

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By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

The EU plans on setting up a pact with the poor nations around the globe to help them deal with global warming.

I’m deeply moved like a recent Ex-Lax user. The hell are they going to do, send them all more goats and pigs?

US OUT OF THE UN, UN OUT OF THE US

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Where’s the Urinal Constipation crying? This is RIGHT up their alley. Immigrants are getting fat in the US.

We need a government regulation under Shrillary to stop the madness! Even IMMIGRANTS can’t control themselves in America! It’s anarchy! We need another government mandated solution to the madness!

That must be another example of a “conservative” idea that AmVet has.

By jbmlaw

September 22, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Dear Rotten Tomato @ 5:28, if our friend Doom does not laud your post when he names you Top Poster” we’ll know the competition was fixed. Funniest of the week.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Old man Rangel wants to make history. No, not for wishing to start a draft so “chickenhawks” can send their children to war. No, old man Rangel wants to raise taxes to a historic high (another “conservative” idea I presume of AmVet’s).

Finally achieving his coveted chairman’s role after years of waiting, Rangel wants to make history. His staff is hard at work on an audacious plan that over the next decade would redistribute up to a trillion dollars in American income through the tax system. Even if this package gets through the House, it likely would be filibustered to death in the Senate, with a veto by President George W. Bush as the last resort. But Rangel may really be aiming at 2009, envisioning then a Democratic president and a filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate.

America may need the Democrats to take complete control for a little while before they wake the hell up. The severity of the damage to this nation would be huge, but that would have to be the collateral damage of reality and a bitter, STRONG lesson learned. A thumping of the (non) Conservative Republicans was long overdue with their loss last year, and we all may just have to pay for it. Literally.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

How bout them LSU Tigers?

By @@

September 22, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

AmVet:

The only reason you denounce the Democrats is because your a Jenny Back-us mule (smuggler).

“It’s good for the Democrats to have a vocal left. It allows the Democrats to look moderate and gain acceptance from the moderate voters and get into office.” -Jenny Backus, Democratic strategist.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, those peaceful and tolerant Palestinians and those awful Jews in Israel are the cause of all the violence.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

How bout them LSU Tigers?

I hate LSU, Auburn, Georgia, and FSU all equally.

By @@

September 22, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Whoops! I forgot to italicize…a freedom of expression that is not allowed at the liberal Luckovich site.

“It’s good for the Democrats to have a vocal left. It allows the Democrats to look moderate and gain acceptance from the moderate voters and get into office.” -Jenny Backus, Democratic strategist.

Better…much better.

By getalife

September 22, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

It is easier to hide that you are a corporate wh-ore when you are in the minority.

The gop does not even bother to hide it but it is clear the dems failed to represent the people because they are corporate w-hores.

So we are arguing over a government that is broken and does represent the people (that is you). Both parties are the same and we should be united in voting out these corporate wh-ores and demanding government reform with term limits and strict ethic rules.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Yeah I seem to remember hearing of a story about a lib complaining about italicizing from a conservative poster I believe on Lucko’s blog. The conservative said to the lib whiner that he should just turn his monitor sideways if it bothers him (damn I hate I missed that interaction). Apparently, that wise advice didn’t go over too well, and the rest, they say, is history. Pansies.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

It is easier to hide that you are a corporate wh-ore when you are in the minority.

Hate to break it to you, getalife, but the government gets ALL of it’s money from either corporations or small businesses or businesses inbetween. The government gets ALL it’s money through company taxes or through the PEOPLE that work for them.

Civics 101: Our government doesn’t raise it’s own revenue.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Doom is an interesting person. Doom likes to talk in third person which rotten tomato doesn’t do (oops), but doom is still an interesting, albeit elusive, individual.

By rotten tomato

September 22, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, and throw in Notre Shame in my hate fest too.

By jm

September 22, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

rotten tomato@4:49 - talk is cheap. I just look at what the conservatives did when they had all the control, grew the government, grew the nation’s debt, started a war of choice without a plan or a clue and stuck their nose where it did not belong (Terry Schiavo ring a bell).

By deegee

September 23, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

rotten tomato, your agenda is obvious. “Want some more shenanigans from AmVet’s “true” conservatives? Let’s take a look at Mexicafornia and the fallacy of man-made global warming”

Here’s your link. Go wallow in the mud.

http://www.topix.net/forum/news/immigration

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

The Republican Party, not just for extremists anymore!

Moderate Republicanism: A Primer

Moderate Republicanism, Progressive being a component, is an esoteric ideology to many — a philosophy difficult to define. Extremists and militant social Conservatives have succeeded in wrongly labeling Moderates as a recent political mutation. History documents otherwise. Between 1890 and 1950 the Moderate wing dominated the party. Moderate Republicanism traces its roots to men like U.S. Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts in the 1850s. The impact of Moderate Republicanism, however, didn’t become apparent until shortly after the Civil War. The GOP emerged as the party of free enterprise. And by the late 1890’s two distinct groups evolved — Moderate and Conservative.

The Moderate wing called on government to curtail unbridled capitalism that exploited men, women, and children in the textile mills.

It also wanted environmental protections and the ending of corrupt patronage in government.

These early reformers recognized that some societal problems could only be addressed by the national government.

Moderate Republicans often see limited government as a useful tool that when operated carefully, like a piece of heavy machinery, can improve the quality of life for all Americans. Moderates and Conservatives fall under a broad philosophical framework of Republicanism.

Although Conservatives are a legitimate branch of the GOP who have made positive contributions, this wing of the party has allowed itself to be dominated by extremists and social moralists that marginalize Lincolnian principles.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

I guess since there is no one left to whine in France, the Atlanta Urinal Constitution sees it as their duty to step in and fill the void:

{{{{Crackdown roils many in France- Resistance builds: Police hustle to round up 25,000 illegal immigrants by year’s end, a quota set by the nation’s president as new laws pushed.}}}}

Waaaaa!!!!!!

Let’s see, a year ago these same “illegal immigrants” were burning France’s cities to the ground, gosh, what would be the logical answer to wholesale arson and anarchy?

Duh, deport them.

Maybe you should be on your best behavior in your next country, eh, Mohammad?

~~~~~

Look at Queen Pinko twist herself into a giant knot:

{{{{Eighteen of the last 20 murderers executed in Georgia were white. All but one of them killed white people, according to the report.-Urinal}}}}

O.K, so that obviously means that blacks are not being unfairly executed in Georgia, right?

Well, not exactly:

{{{{“Black victims have to be really, really brutalized before they’re treated the same as a white-victim case.”}}}}

Great, after decades of whining about blacks being “unfairly” treated by the criminal justice system and decades of crying about vicious cold blooded murderers, like Wayne Williams for instance, being innocent, now we come to find out we are not killing enough blacks.

Shees.

It doesn’t take very much sense to understand that whining like this will not end the death penalty as the author of the column suggests, this is going to result in a wave of blacks being sent to death row and executed, which is the true definition of avenging a black victim.

~~~~~~

The Atlanta Urinal Constitution, in cooperation with Al Qaeda, is major league unhappy to report this rather disheartening news:

{{{{President Bush plans to ask lawmakers this week to approve another massive spending measure —- totaling nearly $200 billion —- to fund the war through 2008, Pentagon officials said.}}}}

Woe is us, we have fought a valiant and brave battle, both in the streets and in the halls of the democrat controlled Congress, to try and get the infidel Americans to flee from the battlefield, to cut and run back to the “safety” of the United States.

But here is Bush, curses upon his name, and Betray Us, apparently seeing this war through to our defeat and humiliation.

How dare they!

Victory in the Middle East, why, the very notion!

Especially this cowboy who can’t speak in whole sentences, making us look the fool.

Sucks, don’t it?

~~~~~~

{{{{It is Iran’s version of “Schindler’s List,” a miniseries that tells the tale of an Iranian diplomat in Paris who helps Jews escape the Holocaust —- and viewers across the country are riveted.-Urinal}}}}

Yeah, “riveted” waiting for the part where the Jews get fed into the ovens.

Or maybe “riveted” to the inside of their homes because the Sharia police told them to make like they were “riveted” or they would be “riveted” into the ground up to their necks and stoned to death.

I like this, the apologists at the Urinal promoting religious extremism upon a mass of enslaved citizens, putting a happy face on a terror regime.

Do they see nothing wrong with homosexuals being brutalized and hanged, for the mere violation of coming out of the closet?

When will you speak out against the real terrorist governments, AJC?

Does dogging America for protecting itself from these savages a full time job for you?

~~~~~~

Ooops:

{{{{Aside from this year and 1980, the most 100-degree days Atlanta has had is seven, in 1925 and 1952. Athens holds the state record with 38 triple-digit days set in 1925.-Urinal}}}}

The last paragraph, they did everything they could to cover up this little item, but there it is, 1925, hottest year on record.

So, uh, what was man doing in 1925 that caused that?

~~~~~~

Sunday Steyn:

So, out of 45 million uninsured Americans, 9 million aren’t American, 9 million are insured, 18 million are young and healthy. And the rest of these poor helpless waifs trapped in Uninsured Hell waiting for Hillary to rescue them are, in fact, wealthier than the general population. According to the Census Bureau’s August 2006 report on “Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage,” 37 percent of those without health insurance – that’s 17 million people – come from households earning more than $50,000. Nineteen percent – 8.7 million people – of those downtrodden paupers crushed by the brutal inequities of capitalism come from households earning more than $75,000.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Moderate Republican orthodoxy includes:

A passion for civil liberties

A disdain for conformity and suspicion of authority

A belief that the Constitution is a living, breathing document with timeless values that must be made relevant in a modern age

A commitment to protect the environment and not engage in mindless exploitation of the nation’s natural beauty. A spirited case must be made for reusable energy sources like solar power. Modern technology provides many options before the earth is harshly, brutally, and needlessly pillaged.

A strong belief that diversity — gender, racial, social, sexual, ethnic, and religious — should be celebrated because it gives the United States moral strength. Diversity — in the long-term, encourages respect, understanding, and a greater sense of community

A commitment to fiscal prudence and limited government

A recognition that government does have a basic social responsibility to help those in need

A belief that the nation does have international responsibilities

A belief that God and religion have a very important place in America — at the dinner table and in churches, temples, and mosques. But it should never be used by politicians to advance a narrow moral agenda

A belief that the national government should be used in a limited manner to advance the common good

A commitment never to put party above country

A responsibility to publicly criticize those who call themselves Republican when the situation merits. Moderate/Progressives have a duty to vote against the party line when it doesn’t serve the greater good. Doing so doesn’t make them less Republican; it demonstrates that they have the honor, political courage, and intellectual honesty to put nation above party.

(So Ronnie’s 11th amendment was the very beginning of the neo-con arrogance and “party first” intractability now associated with the GOP? Who woulda thunk it?!)

Gov. Thomas E. Dewey, described as a “pay-as-you-go liberal” by one historian, summarized Moderate Republicanism:

“It is our solemn responsibility to show that government can have both a head and a heart; that it can be both progressive and solvent; and that it can serve the people without becoming their master.”

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

The principles of Moderates are clear. They do not pick and choose among the opposing Liberal or Conservative ideologies to form their own.

Moderate lawmakers are consensus builders. But then again the art of legislating is that of compromise, negotiation, and a recognition that other views have merit. This does not mean Moderates compromise core values, but rather they understand the complexities of passing intelligent legislation that benefits the greater good.

They also engage in spirited debate among themselves which sometimes limits their strength as a coherent, national force. This passion for public policy discussion permits detractors to label them indecisive. Moderates sometimes forget that ideas alone don’t win political battles; there must also be a coordinated strategy to win elections.

And they must be willing to fight Conservatives on ideological grounds.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Moderates insisted that only the federal government had the authority and political power to end the evils of segregation. Arts funding, programs for indigent children, and assistance to the elderly were also supported by Moderate Republicans.

Such luminaries as Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight D. Eisenhower along with Republican presidential nominees Charles Evans Hughes, Wendell Wilkie, and Thomas E. Dewey have championed Moderate principles.

Other legendary Moderates include Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, Gov. Earl Warren of California, Gov. William Scranton of Pennsylvania, Gov. George Norris of Nebraska, U.S. Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine, U.S. Senator Bronson Cutting of New Mexico, and U.S. Attorney General Elliot Richardson.

Moderates were the first internationalists. The nation, they contended, had a critical role to play in advancing democracy in the world.

Conservatives by contrast were isolationist. In the 1940s and 1950s, U.S. Senator Robert Taft of Ohio, leader of the Conservative wing, was an isolationist.

Even on tax policy, Moderates were the recognized leaders for fiscally prudent government. In 1944 and 1948, Thomas E. Dewey and later Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956, tirelessly criticized the waste of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal programs. They set the Moderate standard that while government must be compassionate, it must also be fiscally responsible.

In short, Conservatives do not have, as history demonstrates, a monopoly on fiscal common sense.

Today, the Republican Party has become dogmatic with a tendency to reject intellectual dissent.

Moderates have no one to blame but themselves for feeling less welcome in a party that they’ve contributed to for over a century.

Moderates must be militant if they are to re-emerge as a voice of reason within the GOP. But to do so they must be aggressive in re-asserting their place, armed with an honorable history and the intellectual tenacity to offer thoughtful, pragmatic solutions to the pressing social and economic issues of the day.

And to do so Moderates and Progressives must have a platform in keeping with their historic crusade for social justice, intellectual honesty, and nation above party. Here are possible planks reflective of such values:

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

A sincere attempt to help, not ignore, the homeless, the working poor, and the hard-pressed working class

A strategy to halt urban sprawl while encouraging intelligent commercial development (Almost unheard of here in Atlanta!)

A renewed commitment to civil liberties that includes an expansion of privacy protections regarding the Internet, health care, financial information, and other highly personal data

A real effort to limit the clout of powerful, highly financed special interests that have more influence over legislation and greater access to elected officials than the average citizens

A recognition that credit card companies engage in legalized loan sharking with interest rates that may exceed twenty percent. Such usurious rates have created a new class of Americans — indentured-servants to the banking lords. Interest rates on credit cards must be regulated and brought down

A commitment to ongoing tax cuts that do not harm the most vulnerable in society

A commitment to affordable, quality health care that does not put profit above people

Support for ending the death penalty on the state and federal level. Republicans are some of the most vocal advocates of the death penalty. Oddly, a party that prides itself on limiting the authority of government is willing to give it the ultimate power — the decision over life and death — despite knowing that mistakes will be made. There are few things more un-Republican than support for the death penalty. If Republicans showed the same suspicion toward trusting government regarding the death penalty as they do on tax policy then all executions in this country would immediately stop

An aggressive effort to pay down the national debt which now exceeds $5.6 trillion

A renewed effort to end discrimination based on race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation

A commitment to education that teaches and empowers the nation’s youth to think, show compassion, be self-reliant, and contribute to the greater good.

By @@

September 23, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

By AmVet September 23, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Moderate Republican orthodoxy includes:

A disdain for conformity

You couldn’t possibly be a moderate anything since your whole purpose in being here is to demand that conservatives conform to your definitions.

Conservatives of any stripe don’t hold plagiarists like you in high regard because we view them as thieves of the Joe Biden variety.

So why did you exclude this from your stolen spam?

*In the Twentieth Century Moderate and Progressives like U.S. Senator Jacob Javits were aggressive in their support of Civil Rights legislation. Conservative U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He would have supported the Act had an Affirmative Action provision been removed.

You liked talking to the poster Goldwater Republican (sockpuppet) last week. I guess it’s because you’re a closet racist but don’t want anyone to know it?

Booorrrrrring.

Please find a moderate site where nothing gets accomplished because true convictions are lacking and everybody sounds as liberal as you.

Quit forcing your opinions on everybody here AmVet. It lost its’ appeal long ago when you were the blog terrorist Huge/OoTMVoD who dick-tatered to other posters at ml’s.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet September 23, 2007 9:32 AM A belief that God and religion have a very important place in America — at the dinner table and in churches, temples, and mosques. But it should never be used by politicians to advance a narrow moral agenda.}}}}

Uh, the very document this country was founded upon:

{{{{We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights….}}}}

Not “endowed by the creation,” duh.

{{{{A strong belief that diversity — gender, racial, social, sexual, ethnic, and religious — should be celebrated because it gives the United States moral strength. Diversity — in the long-term, encourages respect, understanding, and a greater sense of community}}}}

Um, Amvet, I believe what you are thinking of would be a Libertarian, which is a person with some major moral and spiritual conflicts that they’ve never bothered to resolve, not a Conservative.

It’s a whole different subject.

Duh.

Have a nice day.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

How bout the Dawgs?

No that was a football game.

Watching our next President on FTN, it was like she reads my words.

Government reform to get back the trust of the world and the American people.

Clintons 08 to clean the bushes mess again.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

She is on ABC with George.

Show some respect and pay attention.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Here’s your link. Go wallow in the mud. http://www.topix.net/forum/news/immigration

WTF is your problem, deegee? Are you stuck on stupid? That’s the same damned thing you said yesterday.

I see AmVet’s having another lib psychobabble session. Ever notice how he always says what Conservatives are not? @@ punked his a-ss good. His 9:48 revealed his true liberal colors. ‘Bout damned time. My favorite:

A commitment to ongoing tax cuts that do not harm the most vulnerable in society

Let’s line the parrot cage with that, shall we? “Most vulnerable” is a liberal euphemism for the “poor.” Well, since the “poor” in this nation have negative income (that would be money from your and my paychecks via income redistribution for you ignoramuses inside the beltway … see my 5:43 yesterday for info on that), the absolute condition that would entail them to be harmed would be to take that away from them, no? The bottom 50% of income earners in this nation pay 3.3% of the overall federal income tax revenue taken in. Sounds pretty damn fair to me.

Duh, good job calling out the Constipation on their daily BS. Whine, whine, whine. That’s all they can do like typical libs. You can’t win with libs. They are permanently miserable.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Damn, she is good.

Clintons 08, to clean up the bushies mess again.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

A commitment to education that teaches and empowers the nation’s youth to think, show compassion, be self-reliant, and contribute to the greater good.

Oops. I missed that little gem of AmVet’s. Read that as: a commitment to indoctrinate youths to embrace government as the answer to life’s hurdles and stumbling blocks, a commitment to brainwash youths into believing that being successful in life is wrong and that if you are above someone else, you have the moral obligation to lower yourself to their standards so nobody will be “better” than anyone else, and lastly, indoctrination into the global camp where quacks gods like Al Gore dictate with words how everyone should live their lives, like living like we did 300 years ago.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Yeah, the Shrill can memorize her own talking points well. Blah blah blah blah blah. George needs to back off from the screen. He looks like he’s about to suck face.

Dumbest question and a reference to Sally Field’s screechfest: can women in power prevent wars?

Ask that of Islamic radical regimes like Iran.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Ha, David Brooks was praising her, calling her very Presidential.

There is hope for this country if she is elected.

Clintons 08, to clean up the bushies mess again!

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Giada’s on Food Network. What a babe. She’s such an eyeful and a palate pleaser, unlike watching the Shrill’s shill on Snafunopoulos.

Hillary & Richardson 2008 - ticket of doom

By PUBLSHER

September 23, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

if you clowns elect hillary the hag, you will be electing the first carpet licking lesbo ever to the office of el presidenta. The hag will come out after the second term election, in your face. Anyone but the hag or a neocon. imho

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

It is still truly amazing and it is always good for a chuckle, how a small handful here are so emotionally lacking and so utterly insecure in their own persons they feel threatened by discourse.

That is just nuts.

And a few here apparently cannot help themselves and feel compelled to angrily attack the person who provides any information they don’t like.

Inexplicably they seem to take general comments about philosophies, ideas and public personalities personally!

Again, that is just nuts.

And even worse, though these comments are never directed at them, they apparently considered them PERSONALLY threatening. Why else would one strike out with such anger and accusations?

I know. It’s a rhetorical question, but if the shoe fits…

So without enough intellectual honesty to fall back upon and argue the validity OR NOT of the points made, IF THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE DISCOURSE, this minority regularly responds with personal attacks and denigrate not the information but me.

Especially as these observations are neither directed at them personally, why would ANYONE care so very much about MY opinions to the point where they get their knickers in twist and react this way?

It is just very, very strange.

Isn’t it odd that they give my words such extraordinary power? And they seem obsessed with figuring me out and giving me the appropriate label. I can’t help myself but LMAO again!

So I say keep on attacking me personally and making absolutely senseless claims that I am “forcing” anything on anybody.

Read me or don’t. I couldn’t care less. And ditto with the attacks.

People here can see with their own eyes and determine for themselves.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

“Romney concedes Republican Party in shambles, promises restoration:

Courting party faithful Saturday, Republican Mitt Romney promised to return a wayward GOP to its core principles while rival John McCain portrayed himself as the most qualified to take charge of the country amid dangerous times ahead”.

Finally, some honesty from the right. This will help Willard.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

More psychobabble. I don’t have to write 1,000 words to attempt to discredit someone else’s point of view, nor do I have to write 1,000 words to attempt to sway someone else to MY way of thinking. AmVet, you aren’t going to change people’s minds on this blog, so you just need to give it up, stop wasting your time, and moveon.org.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Where’s the Republican/right representation on Snafunopoulos? He’s no better that Chris Matthews. I suppose to a lib, that’s “fair and balanced.”

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Oops. I just saw George Will … been flipping channels. Oh well, he’s a nice soft ball token.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

getalife, I read a short article where Romney did say the GOP has “lost its way”.

BUT… talk is cheap. He offered no real specifics but general stuff like alluding to the rampant corruption. Pretty safe.

Is HE going to change the course of the GOP? I very much doubt it, though he is somewhat of a social moderate, unless he has changed all of those earlier positions.

Being politically smart he knows he is going to feel enormous pressure from the remaining neo-conservatives to “stay the course”.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

At least he addressed the corrupt elephant in the room.

The rest is “stay the course”.

They would change nothing except start more wars.

By Blah Blah Blah

September 23, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Yeah, yeah, yeah…we get it Wooten. Democrats are bad bad people. You’re a broken record.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

“The Rocky Mountain Collegian on Friday published an editorial that reads, in total, “Taser this… F******* BUSH,” spelling out the expletive, along with an explanation that “this column represents the views of the Collegian’s editorial board.”

Bwa.

By stupid sheeple libs

September 23, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

“Democrats are bad bad people. You’re a broken record.”

Yeah oh brilliant poof:

No war for oil!

Bush lied people died!

Neo-con chickenhawks!

Tax cuts for the greed rich!

Cons are stupid!

Cons are evil!

Red state trash!

Christian fascists!

Yeah, we never hear the same liberal claptrap from your ilk do we, poof?

By Blah Blah Blah

September 23, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

stupid sheeple libs — I was referring to Wooten. Not you. Not anyone else. Why would you take a criticism of Wooten and interpret it as an indictment against an entire group of people? And what is a “poof”?

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Straight from the jackass’s mouth:

FOR nearly two weeks, The New York Times has been defending a political advertisement that critics say was an unfair shot at the American commander in Iraq. But I think the ad violated The Times’s own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to … The ad infuriated conservatives, dismayed many Democrats and ignited charges that the liberal Times aided its friends at MoveOn.org with a steep discount in the price paid to publish its message, which might amount to an illegal contribution to a political action committee. In more than 4,000 e-mail messages, people around the country raged at The Times with words like “despicable,” “disgrace” and “treason.”

What goes around comes around, that’s what I say.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

McCain’s hearkening to the canonized RR, shows full well that unfortunately the leadership of the Republican Party is obsessed with being reactionaries and still believes that being anti-progressive is the answer to their woes.

The entire “vision” seems to rest on looking BACKWARDS to their good old days with Ronnie at the helm. They govern as if they are final arbiters in some demented morality play.

They simply fail to acknowledge what mainstream America has already figured out. And that it is that precisely because of their rose colored-glasses allegiance to the actor President and SOME of his awful and repudiated policies, they are in their current unenviable situation.

To me it appears that there is simply no room in their “big tent” for traditionalists, populists and staunchly moderate representation. I am hard pressed to find more than a tiny handful that would fit the description. Anyone else?

And even when the President offers a realistic work towards citizenship aspect to the immigration problem, they went berserk like a bunch of rabid dogs and ate their own and called it amnesty. Fools.

Whatever happened to pragmatism in the GOP? My take is that it has been replaced by non-compromising, non-negotiable neo-conservatism.

Unless and until someone new in that party can grasp the concept that this is not a static nation, that it constantly evolves, and can run like hell with it, I believe they are going to get pummeled yet again in November 2008.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

{{{{By AmVet September 23, 2007 11:27 AM And even worse, though these comments are never directed at them, they apparently considered them PERSONALLY threatening. Why else would one strike out with such anger and accusations?}}}}

You think a lot more highly of yourself than we do, homeboy.

If you choose to be the blog Imam and preach your silly sermons in hope of finding a few of society’s cast offs to become your suicide squad, expect to be contradicted, after all, this is America, free speech and all that?

It is rather amazing to see the audacity of someone who rants for hours on end and then expects no one to read the endless manifestos, lest they may disagree with some of his finer points.

Hahaha.

Can you imagine the street corner preacher in Amvet’s insane little world, move along y’all, there is nothing to see here.

And what a proper and prim little liberal he is, labeling the resulting critics of his madness as “hate speech” and “threats.”

As a concerned fellow citizen, allow me to say, you need help, bro.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

As a concerned fellow citizen, allow me to say, you need help, bro.

Ah man, that is rich.

Look in the mirror latley?

Geez.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

As a concerned fellow citizen, allow me to say, you need help, bro.

BIGTIME. His elevator isn’t going to the top floor. <— Watch, that will be hate speech now.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

I understand that the Republicans are scared sh-itless of Sen. Clinton.

They should be.

Other than the RINO Rudy, they offer nothing but more of the same.

How crazy is that?

I can also understand the conflict of those GOP reps who are now desperately trying to jump ship but have no island to land upon.

Wasn’t it Einstein who said, “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”?

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

getalife, not to worry.

As I said before these people are clearly obsessed with me and give enormous power to my words to feel threatened.

Hell they hang on every post of mine!

I give their words no power.

I have a great time here! And I do what I do and a few slime me for it. They do what they do and it is completely irrelevant to me.

And that makes them even angrier!

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

I understand that the Republicans are scared sh-itless of Sen. Clinton.

Scared? Methinks not. But, I have been preparing for a year now of transferring a large portion of my wealth outside of this nation. You neo-communists on the left aren’t going to touch it.

Hell they hang on every post of mine! I give their words no power.

Yet here you are still, blabbering and drooling about how great you are and the legend you are in your own mind.

Nobody cares about you, AmVet, not the least of which is me. You aren’t thought of highly enough to warrant any respect, and obviously, I’m not the only one that thinks that, HUGE.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

See if you can spot the irony:

{{{{By AmVet September 23, 2007 1:02 PM As I said before these people are clearly obsessed with me}}}}

This dude, having spent the entire morning in a total babbling rant over what Conservatism should be in his insane little world, has the nerve to call us obsessed?

Geez, if that isn’t rich.

I will admit however, Amvet, that you do fascinate me, haha, there is no doubt about that.

You’re like a real life version of the Aesop’s Fables, had a liberal wrote them, that is.

But whatever, you go ahead and drive on with your little self imposed mission to change the world to suit your each and every whim and perversion, we’ll keep laughing right along with you.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

ISRAELI commandos from the elite Sayeret Matkal unit – almost certainly dressed in Syrian uniforms – made their way stealthily towards a secret military compound near Dayr az-Zawr in northern Syria. They were looking for proof that Syria and North Korea were collaborating on a nuclear programme. - Today the site near Dayr az-Zawr lies in ruins after it was pounded by Israeli F15Is on September 6. Before the Israelis issued the order to strike, the commandos had secretly seized samples of nuclear material and taken them back into Israel for examination by scientists, the sources say. A laboratory confirmed that the unspecified material was North Korean in origin. America approved an attack.

Sweet.

tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock …

Just waiting for the pansy liberals to start howling that Israel is warmongering with the innocent Arabs.

By @@

September 23, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

AmVet:

This is how I feel about you….

You’re a dick and a tater— a one trick pony — not at all diverse in your opinions.

I didn’t come here to read the same think over and over again. We get your opinion, we just reject it as valid.

Actually, I will suggest that all conservatives here ignore you personally and simply make fun of you among ourselves and for everyone to read.

Let’s take a look at another one of your posts at Luckovich’s…

By AmVet July 13, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Ahhh-nuld is the new “new” GOP?

Wow, who woulda thunk it?

I’m not convinced. O.K., let’s stop right there…the fact that you have never heard a conservative here criticize Ahhh-Nuld makes no difference to you, that’s not your objective; you want to take broad strokes with your dirty paintbrush.

Other than in liberal California, and a few other locales, I doubt his politics are even seen as relevant by a significant part of his party.

They are relevant to me, they are a conservative (flexible) approach to liberal California’s problems kinda like Rudy’s in liberal NYC, but you fail to acknowledge that many conservatives here and elsewhere support Rudy.

Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats - my kinda people! Oh no! I’m one big oxymoron!

I’ll give you this….You’re a lumbering ox* here with your repetitive droning, and a big **MORON.

Y? Because you suffer from OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder).

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

To those that believe me when I say the shoe fits (or is it the foo sh-its?!), another Einstein quote!

In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all be a sheep oneself.

Too funny.

Zogby Poll: U.S. Should Support Taiwan

Most Americans - 72% - said they think that, when it comes to UN membership, all countries should be treated equally and without discrimination, the poll showed. And 81% said the U.S. should respect every country’s right to UN membership based on the principles of democracy and self-determination.

Ideologically, Americans were all over the lot on the question of Taiwan membership in the UN. While 43% of those who considered themselves very liberal favored Taiwan membership, 58% of mainline liberals backed it. Moderates were very supportive - 71% supported membership for the island nation off the coast of China, but just 43% of conservatives supported it. Among those ideological groups where support was lower, the percentage of unsure respondents was notably higher. The survey also showed that the more familiar Americans were with Taiwan, the more likely they were to its membership.

The more unsure? Does that mean uninformed as noted by the percentage reflecting the very liberal and conservatives?

Polar opposites, yet “sheep” of a feather!

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Remember, to a lib, this is not “hate speech.” Juveniles.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

On July 9, 1971, the Post published a story headlined “U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming.” It told of a prediction by NASA and Columbia University scientist S.I. Rasool. The culprit: man’s use of fossil fuels.

The Post reported that Rasool, writing in Science, argued that in “the next 50 years” fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun’s rays that the Earth’s average temperature could fall by six degrees.

Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, Rasool claimed, “could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”

Aiding Rasool’s research, the Post reported, was a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen,” who was, according to his resume, a Columbia University research associate at the time.

Wrong then, wrong now.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Sunday that the American people are eager for different opinions about the world, and he is looking forward to providing them with “correct and clear information,” state media reported.

Yeah, that’s right up a lib’s alley. “Correct and clear information” like the holocaust never happened for example. Hey man, that’s just an “alternative” viewpoint to ponder that libs like to do so much.

We’re going to send you to well deserved hell, Ahmadinejihad.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Speaking of sheep, this was posted yesterday. I don’t think anyone else saw it:

For the Founding Fathers, the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

A renewable energy source designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is contributing more to global warming than fossil fuels, a study suggests. Measurements of emissions from the burning of biofuels derived from rapeseed and maize have been found to produce more greenhouse gas emissions than they save. Other biofuels, especially those likely to see greater use over the next decade, performed better than fossil fuels but the study raises serious questions about some of the most commonly produced varieties.

Hahaha. Not everything is perfect in lib land.

Duh, 25 years ago the rage was global cooling. Check out ABC’s hysterics over global warming causing flooding.

Pathetic liberal scaremongering SHEEP.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

With a difficult war debate looming and presidential vetoes for a host of popular legislation threatened, moderate Republicans in Congress are facing a tough choice: Stand by President Bush or run for their political lives.

Votes are due soon on Iraq, an expansion of a children’s health insurance program and an array of spending bills. GOP leaders hope to use them to regain credibility with their base voters as a party for strong defense and fiscal discipline. But moderates, many of them facing the possibility of difficult reelection bids next year, are dreading the expected showdowns.

“We are at a very significant juncture,” said Rep. Jim Ramstad (Minn.), a moderate who on Monday joined seven other Republicans in announcing that he will not seek reelection. “I’d use a metaphor, but it can’t be printed — something about something hitting the fan.”

Good job GOP! Drive the few moderates out! A sure recipe for success!

I can sense another 40 year Republican hiatus coming up…

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Let me be as clear as possible.

The term “moderate Republican” is antiquated and carries little if any meaning anymore. The media occasionally uses the term because they are too lazy to figure out that those they call “moderates” have been supporting unfailingly the hard line Republicans all along.

Only now, when 70% of Americans understand that Mr. Bush has been an unmitigated disaster for this country, have Republicans even pretended to be moderate in their stances.

No, that term is essentially meaningless except for perhaps in the minds of cowardly Republicans afraid to take responsibility for supporting Mr. Bush’s extremist policies.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed that AmVet can only rant about radicals on the right and completely ignores the radicals on the left while focusing on the alleged “moderates?”

@@ deserves a medal this weekend. XXX000 - hugs and kisses doll

Anyway, moving forward…

From the Kook: Are we just a bunch of whiney liberals?

Yes, you are. I reinforce that proposition here all the time.

WARNING: the link has foul language if you are easily offended or have children nearby who can read. Typical sewer mouth libs.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Hey check this out. Speaking of the left’s hero, Ahmadinejihad, and the non-event known as the holocaust, some new photos have been released circa 1944 of Mengele & friends.

Remember, libs at Columbia would have allowed these monsters to speak. Disgusting. Thank GOD we didn’t have today’s candyas-ses running the nation back then. Thank GOD.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

We get your opinion, we just reject it as valid

Rejecting a valid opinion?

Mmmm, seems closed minded to me.

Anyhoo, here is a better kos diary you never see on the wingnut blogs

Which leads to this

Way to represent us Blackwater and they whine about Moveon.

Geez.

By Ray

September 23, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Not given much of a choice, are we rotten tomato? The left’s hero is Ahmadinejihad, and the right’s daddy is Bin Laden.

By @@

September 23, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

I have not commented on the Jenna 6 because there were so many conflicting accounts of what transpired there.

Late last night I ran across a post in at a Louisiana media site. It was from a student who attended the high school and was hurt by the media’s portrayal of her classmates and the town in general.

Students live in a separate world away from overzealous scrutiny by the media. They like it that way and are able to adapt in that environment. Their little home away from home so to speak.

Here’s his/her account of the incident.

Do I know it to be fact-based? No, but I see it as heartfelt.

Now my personal opinion….I don’t like the tactics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Every time I see them acting in behalf of African Americans, I see them supporting white supremacy with the liberal media in tow.

Why would I see it that way? Because Jackson and Sharpton will never lend their outrage to black on black crime. They will never lend their outrage to black on white crime. When they fail to do that they are, basically saying, that African Americans cannot be expected or are even capable of meeting socially acceptable standards.

I see that same racism in the liberal elites of the Democratic party.

I disagree! I believe that African Americans are perfectly capable if the Democrats would quit victimizing them.

I hate it when that happens!

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Regarding this week’s Gallup poll:

In January frontrunner Rudy Giuliani was still basking in his 9/11 aura with 62 percent of people saying they liked him and only 20 percent saying they didn’t. That’s dropped to 52 and 38 percent.

In April Fred Thompson’s favorable numbers were 65 and 24. Five months of bumbling and dithering later he’s at 39 and 38 percent.

Mitt Romney’s fall has been the farthest, from 65 and 18 percent favorable/unfavorable to 38 and 35 percent.

The only candidate’s who’s grown a little more popular? John McCain. He’d been suffering all year, bottoming out at a 42/41 favorable/unfavorable rating in August, but a great month of Iraq news has bumped him back up to 53/34. People like an underdog and people like a guy who sticks to his guns, and McCain’s been loudly convincing people that he fits both descriptions.

This answers a couple of long-running campaign questions. Will Rudy’s 9/11 halo fade? Yes.

Did Fred Thompson’s dithering pre-campaign hurt him? Yes.

Can America learn to love Mitt Romney? Nope.

C’mon GOP get it over with. Can these posers and trot out Dick Cheney.

You loons know he would win the nomination!

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

I prefer Black Five myself. Regarding Blackwater, we can’t control individual criminal behavior. There are more shootings of civilians going on in New Orleans. Bowelmovement.org is a traitorous POS movement from hell. But, they have the freedom of speech, and we need those animals to keep on preaching, brother. I don’t take ANYTHING from the extremist wingnut Kook site. Period. Pis-s on them.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Hahaha , that is funny @@.

Taking racism and blaming it on the dems. Pitiful.

It was a step backwords for the civil right movement, so of course they went to Jena.

Just scream “White Flour”.

Geez.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

filthy rotten,

I know, no big deal massacring Iraqis but an ad in a paper is outrageous. What an evil mind set you possess.

Freakin moron loser.

Pathetic.

Geez.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Not given much of a choice, are we rotten tomato? The left’s hero is Ahmadinejihad, and the right’s daddy is Bin Laden.

Please Ray, expand on that for us, will ya? Please, include the democrats who are currently in Congress that promised us, oh, say, about this time last year, that they were going to show Bush how to capture Osama.

Do tell, Ray.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

The way I see it, the gop does care about the minority vote and will depend on all “white power” voters to try to win . Like these closed minded, see no evil,racist, genocidal maniac losers on this blog.

They will try to cheat like in California and Diebold.

Hell, w had to tell them to try to get the minority vote. He knows it will be a major “thumpin” again but of course, it is not his fault.

Geez.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Ooops, does not care .

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

closed minded, see no evil, racist, genocidal maniac losers on this blog.

Watch out folks! Getalife is starting to drool and froth! Name ONE thing anyone here has said as racist, you POS.

They will try to cheat like in California

Wrong. Republicans aren’t clammering for illegal immigrant votes like Sanchez did years ago.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

genocidal maniac losers

Haha. Getalife has the gall to say that while his disgusting lib ilk running Columbia would have allowed a platform for the Nazis to speak from. Pathetic.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Those too young will not get he reference, but there was a skit with Curly asking Moe, “Hey Moe. Where’s Larry?”

The modern version has Dick asking, “Hey George. Where’s OBL?”

They are still formidable opponents in the backwoods of the Deep South and the most ignorant states in the union, but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the biggest percentage of people in this country are completely fed up with these fraudulent, scandal ridden and incompetent neo-cons.

After but 12 years in control (interesting analogy that that is the exact length of time that the Nazis ran Germany) they have pi-ssed away any chances for much more than going back to the Land of Nod and their deserved, rightful place in America’s political wilderness.

The next 14 months are going to be fun watching the Bush apologists try to figure out what went so terribly wrong!

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Still waiting on that expanding your point, AmVet.. err I mean “Ray.”

Ramble ramble ramble babble blah blah blah drone drone drone mumble blah blah yadda yadda

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

A Three Stooges reference “joke” from the blog stooge. Now THAT is funny. Hack.

By Don't tase me bro!

September 23, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Kerry the war hero just sits there and watches everything unfold before his eyes. Some leader.

By @@

September 23, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Rejecting a valid opinion?

Who am I presently supporting for the Republican nomination? Nevermind, I’ll answer that question because you refuse to pay attention to details.

RUDY GIULIANI at present. I think that he has the ability to work with the other side. I think that he applied some innovative ideas in NYC that brought about positive change.

I do not agree with him on all things but he is a strict constructionist. Now you liberals keep wanting to bring up his many marriages and the fact that he dressed up as a woman to raise funds for a cause he believed in?

I see a hidden intolerance within you and your liberal friends here not to mention pettiness. Heck, Rudy would be a liberal’s dream if he wasn’t supporting the war in Iraq, so that makes you and yours one trick ponies.

You liberals want things quick and easy. The Democrats have cultivated you that way.

Life is difficult, foreign policy is complex as are social structures within this country. You guys either can’t or won’t comprehend the realities so instead you give us simplistic soundbites and think they’re valid?????

Taiwan was admitted to the U.N. under the rule of China in 1971. The U.N. has guidelines they follow. Taiwan has been trying for 15 years to be admitted to the U.N. separate from China. The U.N. still sees them as part of China. There’s a difference in the way the two countries are developing industrially.

It would appear to me that China, Taiwan and the U.N. have some issues to iron out. I’m not a member so therefore it’s beyond my control but personally….that’s PERSONALLY, I would like to see them admitted. I just can’t accomplish that for them.

I’m one of the little people.

By Wootenduh

September 23, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Hey, didn’t Iman Amvet say that he was a teacher at College?:

{{{{The survey, a 60-multiple-choice question test given to 14,000 seniors and freshmen at 50 schools, covered four topics: American history, American political thought, America and the world, and the market economy. The subsequent report, “Failing Our Students, Failing America: Holding Colleges Accountable for Teaching America’s History and Institutions,” shows that the average college senior scored 54.2 percent — a failing grade — on the civic literacy exam, up only 1 percent from last year. Harvard had the highest senior scores, but a D+ average of 69.56 percent is nothing to be proud of.}}}}

{{{{Perhaps more worrisome is the data that shows how little students are learning while in college. For example, at top-scoring Eastern Connecticut State University, scores went up from 31.34 percent to 40.99 percent between freshman and senior years, giving the school a “value added” score of 9.65 percent. Likewise, at last-place Cornell University — which is dubbed “a giant amnesia machine” — student scores actually went down from 61.9 percent to 56.95 percent.}}}}

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Must see TV at 6pm Eastern on the History Channel: Hippies.

See the history of liberalism and the nutroots organization up close with drugs, Sodom & Gomorrah, military hating anarchists, and other ubiquitous wackos that comprise the modern bowelmovement.org left in this nation.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Heck, Rudy would be a liberal’s dream if he wasn’t supporting the war in Iraq, so that makes you and yours one trick ponies.

You can say that again, @@. That is EXACTLY why those jackasses on the left pitched Lieberman under the bus.

By @@

September 23, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Taking racism and blaming it on the dems. Pitiful.

What party do Jackson and Sharpton belong to? Which party’s candidates do they promote?

Power to the PEOPLE Getalife!!!!!! I thought that’s what you promote.

Oops! my bad, you’re more into handing the people’s power over to the government while complaining about how incompetent government is.

I have difficulty understanding your logic.

Are you *dusting today?

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Another example of the insanity of liberalism at the Daily Kook: a Jewish lesbian has a “small crush” on Ahmadinejihad. No. I am NOT making this up.

I know I’m a Jewish lesbian and he’d probably have me killed. But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon…Okay, I admit it. Part of it is that he just looks cuddly. Possibly cuddly enough to turn me straight. I think he kind of looks like Kermit the Frog. Sort of. With smaller eyes. ut that’s not all.

These people on the wacked out left are OUT of their vulcan minds. they truly are their own worst enemy and don’t even freaking know it.

By TW

September 23, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Anybody out there have the number of Iraqi civilians killed during the initial US invasion? Not the total up until now, but the number killed between the time we dropped the first bomb and when the statue of Saddam fell. Also, does anybody know if these killed civilians are classified as collateral damage even though there turned out to be no link to 9/11 and there were no WMD?

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

While the fact is irrefutable that my posts here cause so much gnashing of teeth by the c**-assured “conservatives”, I am nonetheless humbled that the force of my words cause them to mistake (hope for?) me to be more than just one man. Humbled but nor really surprised!

Mental masturbation at it ‘s finest - morally bankrupt neo-con style!

It gives me great pleasure indeed to see the stubbornness of an incorrigible nonconformist so commented upon.

Albert Einstein

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Please Ray, expand on that for us, will ya? Please, include the democrats who are currently in Congress that promised us, oh, say, about this time last year, that they were going to show Bush how to capture Osama.

Do tell, Ray.

“Ray,” I’m still waiting, liberal asshat. Run that mouth and then run away. Laughable.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Yeah, my bad. I sometimes have a hard time separating the liberal kooks on this blog. Oh well, sue me jackass.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

c-assured “conservatives”,

Mental masturbation at it ‘s finest

And here I just mentioned Sodom & Gomorrah TV on the History Channel and flaming lib hippies. LMAO!!!

By @@

September 23, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Hell, w had to tell them to try to get the minority vote. He knows it will be a major “thumpin” again but of course, it is not his fault.

Tell me Getalife, did Bush hit them with the *the low expectations found in the liberal’s soft bigotry or did he say the obstacles would be tough but achievable?

That’s confidence Getalife, the same confidence I have in people if the dems would quit selling them utopian pipe dreams.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts

By Redneck Convert

September 23, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m late on account of I sellabrated the win of my beloved Dawgs over Alabama too much. I about cleaned out my beer truck after that pass into the end zone.

Anyway, I’m real sad to see all the name calling on here. As the guy said can’t we just get along? Sure, this getalife and Am Vet are a bunch of candy-a** traders, but we don’t have to call them that. Lets just be civil and use the courts and laws to stomp them. We got the power to name the judges. Not that judges would take sides or anything. That’s the American way and its my way.

Anyway, I’m real glad to see the woman with the double a-hole give the libruls the what for. Even though she got stomped by JK Friday and more or less called as dumb as her students.

Have a good day everybody. I’ll be back tomorrow when I’m feeling better. Go dawgs!

By Ray

September 23, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

RT: My sincerest apologies - thought the commander in chief was a republican. Bin Laden dropped our towers and Bush made a movie star out of him.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Mr. Gore’s high school performance on the college board achievement tests in physics (488 out of 800 “terrible,” St. Albans retired teacher and assistant headmaster John Davis told The Post) and chemistry (519 out of 800 “He didn’t do too well in chemistry,” Mr. Davis observed) suggests that Mr. Gore would have trouble with science for the rest of his life. At Harvard and Vanderbilt, Mr. Gore continued bumbling along.

As a Harvard sophomore, scholar Al “earned” a D in Natural Sciences 6 in a course presciently named “Man’s Place in Nature.” That was the year he evidently spent more time smoking cannabis than studying its place among other plants within the ecosystem. His senior year, Mr. Gore received a C+ in Natural Sciences 118.

At Vanderbilt divinity school, Mr. Gore took a course in theology and natural science. The assigned readings included the apocalyptic, and widely discredited “Limits to Growth,” which formed much of the foundation for “Earth in the Balance.” It is said that Mr. Gore failed to hand in his book report on time. Thus, his incomplete grade turned into an F, one of five Fs Mr. Gore received at divinity school, which may well be a worldwide record.

Hahaha. Stupid sheep.

Here’s a great link for those who aren’t brainwashed with Dr. Gore’s Frankenstein Science.

By @@

September 23, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

I went into some liberal blogsites yesterday after discovering that Ron Paul was a racist.

I don’t know how those places work, but one poster had written an article at DailyKos deriding Ron Paul’s racist attitude. While some liberal posters there were appalled to discover Paul’s racist attitudes, many said that they could excuse them because he’s against the war.

Same thing at Huffington Post.

Unbelievable from this conservative’s perspective. The liberal’s really would devour their own.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

TW, the reports I have read vary widely. Obviously many, many, many civilian deaths go unreported so it is hard to say. The number is gigantic by anyone’s count though.

The libs probably tend to over report the actual number and the neo-cons act as if they are insignificant and rare.

But let’s not forget that we are being portrayed as liberators, though strangely nearly 80% of the population want us “liberators” out and think we’re making the already bungled nightmare even worse.

I can’t imagine how this “war time” President could do that, can you?

I did learn, thanks to the Blackwater news item this week, that there have been over 1000 civilian contractor deaths in Iraq!

The neo-con legacy lives on though many of the participants don’t.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

My sincerest apologies - thought the commander in chief was a republican.

Other than his war on Islamic radical terrorism (that Clinton didn’t support) and tax cuts (that Clinton didn’t support), me too, “Ray.”

Bin Laden dropped our towers and Bush made a movie star out of him.

Folks, you can see we are clearly dealing with another wacked out lib. I’ll just let those words stand on their own merit of liberalism from “Ray.”

By @@

September 23, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

The ignorance that MoveOn.org attracts is amazing to me. Afterall, when was the last time anyone heard a corporation say this:

“We bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.” Those are the infamous words spoken by MoveOn.org founder Eli Pariser when speaking about the Democrat Party after the 2004 elections.

What idiot allows themself to be owned by anyone much less a convicted billionaire like George Soros, the MASTER of liberal tools.

By Ray

September 23, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

RT: white flag accepted. have a nice day.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

While some liberal posters there were appalled to discover Paul’s racist attitudes, many said that they could excuse them because he’s against the war.

A man could molest and kill babies, and if he were a liberal Democrat, he’d get support from the left. A man could be a former racist Klan member, and if he were a liberal Democrat, he’d get support from the left <— oh wait, that’s already happened with KKK Byrd.

By TW

September 23, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Thanks AmVet - but I was really wanting to know how we classify these civilian deaths, being that they were basically unwaranted?

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

My sincerest apologies - thought the commander in chief was a republican.

But he’s no Eisenhower! Hell he’s not even a Nixon! More like a Warren G. Harding…

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

You want leadership on Iraq?

There ya go.

What, you going to vote for the faux opinion liberal candidate Rudy?

Geez, not another w.

Get real.

By @@

September 23, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

neo-cons act as if they are insignificant and rare.

Not insignificant, but conservatives recognize whose doing the killing. It isn’t American troops. The hate American troops liberals would have us believe that the mere existence of our troops causes death and destruction while excusing the real murderers.

These same liberals would want our troops sent to fight against the atrocities being committed in Darfur.

Odd, they ignored those atrocities until they needed to distract from our efforts in Iraq where Saddam and his sons were committing atrocities each and every day against their own people.

It’s a numbers game with the liberals. They just can’t add 2+2.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

It is called genocide.

Something the gop cheers on.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

w is the new Saddam.

It is not the troops , it is his failed policy. The gop voted not to rest them and abuse them with 10 tours. Who hates the troops? The gop, of course.

See no evil huh @@?

Geez.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

I think the euphemism is “collateral damage”.

The numbers are just not easily found.

The most widely circulated report I found comes from a confidential report by a U.N. humanitarian-aid specialist, which was leaked to a group in Cambridge, which in turn published it on the Internet. This report estimates that civilian casualties could total 500,000.

And of course there was the carnage and mayhem that immediately followed the mission accomplished phase.

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/war021210.html

Besides destroying electrical plants, water facilities, communications, etc had the long range effect of killing many of the initial children, elderly and weakest among the civilian population.

Sucks to be them, though.

By @@

September 23, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

OMG, did I just read this from Ray?

RT: white flag accepted. have a nice day.

See how simple it is to a liberal, you just declare victory and then convince yourself that you have attained it.

Victory for them is accepted defeat. Nevermind the thousands upon thousands that would die in Iraq just because the liberals don’t have the stamina to defeat the enemy or the confidence that our military is capable.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Also, the refugee crises and the cholera outbreak due to the water.

Amazing, they call themselves Christians.

This chose the wrong path.

Sick.

By @@

September 23, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

I read this and was encouraged.

Who was preventing this humanitarian effort in Afghanistan? It sure wasn’t the United States.

Will the Taliban and Al Qaeda kidnap some of the U.N. workers they’ve allowed in? Who knows, they’re reputation and lack of concern for their own people should cause one to pause and think unless of course, you’re a liberal and believe that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are freedom fighters.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

RT: white flag accepted. have a nice day.

That was Ray’s brilliant response to my request to expand on the asshat’s comments of this:

Bin Laden dropped our towers and Bush made a movie star out of him.*

Ray is a typical drive by coward. Unless, Ray, you want to man up to your comment and back it up. But I won’t count on you for much, you POS liberal.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

getalife, you have to remember that the numbskulls who state matter of factly that an entire group of people, “hate the troops” are in countless cases the same enlightened Americans who think god is on their side!

As I eluded to earlier - mental masturbation.

By Ray

September 23, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

@@: takes a real tough person to lead with someone else’s chin. perhaps if you were looking at an empty chair at the table tonight you might think differently. probably not.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

Nice win Ray.

filthy rotten is like shooting fish in a barrel.

A gop prostitute taking one for his team.

Forget about our country collapsing and the genocide in Iraq, there was an ad in a newspaper he is outraged about.

Geez.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Around two dozen police officers were injured in which four were reported to be critical. The incident happened after local residents in the area resisted police’s efforts to remove a patri market. In course of the encroachment removal drive, the Koran was reportedly dropped by a policeman, leading to tension. A local leader reportedly slapped a police officer.

I see, accidentally drop a Koran (peace be upon it), and a riot breaks out. Draw a cartoon of Mohammad (peace be upon Him), and people get killed. Meanwhile, libs say NOTHING.

We have 7th Century gaping mouthed cave dwelling savages that want everyone to live like them and embrace Islam as their national religion. I don’t think so. But, I’d be willing to bet libs would since they don’t have any other religion other than the lies of man-made global warming and scientology (Isaac Hayes, you bigtime hypocrite), and it’s looking like daily the lies of Rev. Gore & sheeple are getting more and more challenged.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Nice win Ray.

Gee. I stepped away for a little while and lib sheilas get a “win.”

Ray, be a man and own up to how Bush made Osama a rock star … or movie star … or whatever your little lib brain stated a while back.

I’m here. It’s ok now. Go ahead asshat.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Judging by the gop voting record, it is obvious they are not libs and hate the troops.

It is “wingnuttery”, a mental disease blaming libs for all the gop caused destruction. A see no evil approach on reality. Insane.

A mental disorder with no logic to support their arguments, just blind hatred for Americans.

They have to hate or they will be miserable.

Sick.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

..in countless cases [cons] the same enlightened Americans who think god is on their side!

More “true” conservative thought from our broken elevator, Mr. queen lib hisself, AmVet.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

“queen lib”, I rest my case.

Sick, insane, twisted as-shat.

BTW stupid, history will show w cut and ran from OBL to invade Iraq.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Hey folks, I just thought of something after dealing with the lib asshat “Ray.” Does anyone remember all the screeching, all the howling, all the drooling from the filthy left when Bush said that Osama is “Wanted, dead or alive?” Does ANYONE remember that? I sure as hell do. They said that was war mongering. They said that was hate. They said that was ruthless and wreckless speech just like his “axis of evil” comment.

You see, no matter what position you take, the asshat left will not like it. Simply because you are not a lib. Man, they are such open-minded and enlightened people, aren’t they?

Savages.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Sick, insane, twisted as-shat.

Getalife is going downhill - rapidly. Haha. Job well done to me.

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Well, the libs in their hysteria and profound hatred of Bush wanted to cherry-pick Greenspan’s brain last week.

What say you this week?

Greenspan: US economy has ‘less than 50-50’ odds of recession

Now while that article states, like so many conservatives here, that Bush had freely spent…he doesn’t rant hysterically of impending economic doom.

Stratfor had a wonderful piece regarding the global market. Broke it down by each country and how they are coping with the effects. They’ve got a plan of action each and every one, but their plan doesn’t include reacting to public hysteria.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

BTW stupid, history will show w cut and ran from OBL to invade Iraq

Asshat, history already shows Clintoon DID:

You libs have NOTHING to say about Osama. NOTHING.

Pathetic.

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

getalife, you have to remember that the numbskulls who state matter of factly that an entire group of people, “hate the troops” are in countless cases the same enlightened Americans who think god is on their side!

Why is it that this liberal AmVet wants to use his broad brush when painting conservatives, but then demands that we should not be allowed to do the same?

Which group was eager to assume G-d’s judgment after Haditha. Which group readily embraced the likelihood that it was our troops that were guilty?

It sure as heck wasn’t the conservatives. We want the facts, not the knee-jerk emotions of liberals.

By Clark

September 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

You KKKonservatives have ZERO CREDIBILITY, considering the amount government has expanded under 8 years of Bush.

We have money to rebuild Iraq and BILLIONS for Halliburton and Black Water, but none to aide our children.

You Republickscum will be in the permenant minority, once Bush leaves office or is impeached.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Greenspan, remember all the hoopla and ape &h!t the left went over Greenspan’s comment that the war was about oil? Well, Greenspan has clarified that a little. Do you see the media repenting and correcting his comment in the same hysterics? Do you see?

Do you see?

Do you see?

Think^^ the slide show scene in Silence Of The Lambs there. LOL

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Where’d you go, RAY?

Chickensh!t.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

KKKonservatives

Only one member of congress is a former KKK member, and he’s a senile old flaming liberal DEMOCRAT. Suck it hard, “Clark.”

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Let me sum up my 5:12 in philosophical terms.

Conservatives seek to protect the innocent while liberals want to assign guilt to everyone but themselves.

Afterall, guilt works for them.

By AmVet

September 23, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Finally!

We agent provocateurs have once again manipulated the neo-cons into their venom hurling, blood pressure rising tantrums.

Always humorous!

It is their uncanny knack for putting so much power in opposing views that constantly exposes them as weak and on the run.

And when morality and intellect inevitably escape them, the predictable hatred always surfaces!

So, these never served, never will, gutless, chickenhawk neo-cons, in lieu of teaching their children honor and respect for the nation and taking them down to the nearest recruiter, might show their never will enlist kids how to emulate mommy and daddy’s “compassionate conservatism” as keyboard kommandos on display here!

You are to be saluted one and all!

Saaaaluuuute!

Enjoy your hate fest cretins! I’m off to have dinner with my son, now only eight days away from going on active duty.

In other words a family of non neo-cons!

Sleep well little ones.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Yes filthy,

Ignore the memo saying he was going to attack and all the red flags w ignored.

See no gop evil, huh idiot?

Get real loser.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

More “true” conservative thought from our broken elevator, Mr. queen lib hisself, AmVet

Hey, I said AmVet’s elevator wasn’t going to the top floor earlier too. Man, sometimes I’m just too good for my own good.

[AmVet-like self-congratulating sarcasm off]

By getalife

September 23, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Amvet,

I wish your son well and hope he stays safe.

It is fun bashing wingnuts. Their see no gop evil cracks me up.

Blaming the libs is hilarious.

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

taking them down to the nearest recruiter

There he/she goes again wanting parents to dictate to grown adults/children what they should do. So much of independent thought eh?

Let’s not make assumptions shall we AmVet; I gave the recruiter my daughter’s number at school. She made her own decision which is what I encourage her to do.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Getalife - “your people” (disclaimer: that’s not meant as a race epithet) said LAST YEAR before they were elected that THEY were going to lead the charge to get Osama. I believe NANCY herself said that.

Now, you tell me wonderbritches, WHAT THE HELL IS THE HOLD UP???

Easier said than done, isn’t it asshats? It’s always easier to bad mouth this administration from a keyboard - or in front of a camera for votes.

Pathetic and warrants ZERO respect.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Asshat getalife:

Ignore the memo saying he was going to attack and all the red flags w ignored.

One of the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report was that “nothing could have been done to prevent it from happening.”

Well, we could have shut down all air operations for six months, but hey, I’m SOOOOOOOOOOOOO sure you asshats on the left would have supported Bush doing that.

Save your wingnut BS for Daily Kook, getalife. Who knows, you may just find out YOU are a Jewish lesbian who wants to hug Iran’s president.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Oops, I meant to also add, regarding 9/11, we could have PROFILED ALL MUSLIMS, but I’m SOOOOOOOO sure getalife, that you and your liberal ilk would have supported that. Just shut up.

Bwa.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

BTW, you will see them run their ignorant mouths but will never run to the recruiting office.

Cowards.

Ta, ta, tootles.

Off to buy some liquor which you can’t do.

Losers.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Off to buy some liquor which you can’t do.

Hahahah. The town drunk reveals himself!

Don’t forget people, “Hippies” will be on the History Channel at 6pm! Who knows, they may even show wasted blog libs like getalife.

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Sleep well little ones.

AmVet can dream on.

the predictable hatred always surfaces!

Yes it does…

So, these never served, never will, gutless, chickenhawk neo-cons

Who said ^^^ that?

Conservatives sluff it off, it’s liberals that get all huffy.

I’m off to see my brother and his wife.

By getalife

September 23, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Rotten Tomato and BS Aplenty are conservative cousins - beware.

bwa.

Trash

By @@

September 23, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Oh, before I go…

*By AmVet

September 23, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Those too young will not get he reference, but there was a skit with Curly asking Moe, “Hey Moe. Where’s Larry?”

The modern version has Dick asking, “Hey George. Where’s OBL?”

Once again, my interest is piqued. A trip to my AmVet a/k/a ???? text file may lead me elsewhere. Archives maybe if I can find time.

Stupid joke, but familiar comment.

See ‘ya.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Rotten Tomato and BS Aplenty are conservative cousins

That was a quick liquor store trip, getalife.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Sick ‘em, @@.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

I guess “Ray” cut and ran from his brilliant lib comment. That’s a “win” in lib land. Oh well, such is life. Typical lib.

By fred weck

September 23, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

I suuggest you check your facts with “FACT CHECK.ORG” instead of of spreading propaganda.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Hey fred trainwreck, you wanna tell everyone who and/or what you are referring to?

Thanks.

By rotten tomato

September 23, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Stephen King is the bomb. “The Stand” miniseries on SciFi rules. Part Resident Evil, part Day Of The Dead. Plus, he always has a bit part in his movies. Shoulda put this miniseries closer to Halloween. That way, people could get a better idea on what demoncat liberals look like.

By Darth Cheney

September 24, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

In the epic show down between good and evil, DarthCheney and HillartheHag are battling with light sabres. The Hag gets the upper hand momentarily, and is about to finsh our hero. Darth screams, - Hag, I am your father! - Hillary falthers for a moment, saying daddy, daddy over and over. Quickly Darth recovers, and removes the hags right hand. The hag falls into an open toilet, and is flushed into the sewer system forever, where she belongs. Darths says - Just joking Hag, your real daddy was a jackel! Once again, the side of truth, justice and the American way has triump!

By $$$$

September 24, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Wow, I’ve never seen so many self-obsessed posters! This blog is a riot (and a bit pathetic and sad).

By bravesfan77

September 24, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

I am not rich. I have healthcare and my kids are covered. If the government wants to save money on peachcare the quit allowing the peachcare and medicaid access to the hospital emergency room for regular doctor visits. I work in the medical profession and I cant tell you how many parents bring their kids to the emergency room for ear infections, caughs (normal) slight fevers, toe stubs, bruses. The cost is 25 times the amount it would be for a doctor visit. The parents though dont want to sit in the doctors office with the kids. They would rather wait till the evening and take them to ER. You stop this practice and the system would have money.

They need to audit this and they need to do it now. Audit for illegals using our system. They are not elligable so get them off.

Theres your problem in a nutshell. Fix the abuse and you will fix the system.

By catlady

September 24, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

To add to what bravesfan77 says, also limit the “therapy” kids can get under peachcare. There are kids getting the cadilac treatment (think Brian Nichols’ defense team) via peachcare that regular folks can only dream of being able to afford for their kids. That and strict income verification and cracking down on stupid emergency room use (by charging a hefty additional fee) would free up a lot of money!