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Don’t let ‘affordable housing’ push trigger subsidies
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Holding the good liberals back when the opportunity arises to expand government and hide the costs — the opportunity being the fallout from the subprime lending foreclosures — is a bit like turning the lead cow in a stampede or quelling panic on Wall Street: More than likely, a trampling will precede sanity.
We are now said to have an “affordability crisis” that was masked by subprime lending but is now revealed by the wave of foreclosures that resulted from irresponsible lending and borrowing.
That problem was best described by Lewis Ranieri, former chairman of Salomon Brothers. Talking about the industry, Ranieri explained: “We’re not really sure what the guy’s income is and … we not sure what the house is worth. So you can understand why some of us become a little nervous.” Lots are now nervous. More than half of bankers responding to a Federal Reserve survey report that they’ve tightened subprime lending standards. No question some buyers and sellers over-reached, taking far greater risk than was responsible.
But as with commutes, clean air, sprawl and economic justice — the buzz-words employed to drive public policies preferred by liberals, those who profit from high-density development or more government borrowing — campaigns such as “affordable housing” invite government intervention in ways that may not be warranted.
“Affordable” housing is a mom-and-apple-pie appeal to take on two mortgages — yours and the mortgage of a stranger selected by government, or one of its designated nonprofits, for a housing windfall. That’s one way housing is made “affordable.” Government borrows money — a great bonanza, incidentally, to bond lawyers and others who profit from the transaction — and lend it to individuals who are lucky or have connections.
The taxpayer who is providing the subsidy — who may, incidentally, be a renter saving to buy a home — is the only “loser” in the lot. Everybody else is making money taken to transfer wealth, in the form of a housing subsidy, to a happenstance or connected borrower who may or may not be most deserving of the windfall. The taxpayer never recovers the wealth given, no matter how much the property appreciates.
The second way housing is made “affordable” is to hide the cost in a development and spread the financial burden to other home buyers.
When governments give higher-density zoning or permits in return for the developer setting aside some units to be sold at below-market rates to satisfy politicians or advocacy groups, two undesirable trade-offs occur. One is that other buyers in the complex are paying too much so that some preferred buyers can get more house than they can afford. In that instance, other buyers pay the social costs politicians have imposed.
The second consequence of the trade-off may well be that roads and schools are overburdened by the unwarranted density, spreading the social cost still further.
Sharon Gay, an Atlanta lawyer, offered an op-ed opinion in Monday’s AJC, declaring that with recent developments in the housing market, “it is actually getting harder to find an affordable home in anything like a convenient location.”
The trend always has been that free-market buyers in crowded markets go to places where land and housing is cheaper. Affordable housing exists but now government’s additional imperative, we are told, is to offer it in “a convenient location.” Is “a convenient location” such a compelling public concern that money should be transferred from the accounts of renters and people paying their own mortgages to strangers chosen for a housing bonanza by bureaucrats or their designees? Decidedly not.
Some local government may choose to offer a direct housing subsidy to junior firemen, starting teachers, janitors or some other lower-wage public employees.
But it should be up-front, drawn from the general treasury. Then we’d know who the beneficiaries are, whether the public policy objective is being achieved, and what the costs are. Voters could decide at the ballot box whether they wanted to continue housing subsidies to certain employees and how much.
Now it’s hidden. Either let the free market work, so that people live in the houses they can afford where they exist. Or pay the subsidies openly and directly, and require them to live where government wants.
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By jbmlaw
September 18, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
Good morning all. If we truly want nothing more than affordable housing, we could simply forbid anyone, under penalty of death or a life sentence in jail, from selling any real estate for more than the seller paid at purchase. If someone inherits property, they can only give it away. Now I cannot wait to read the Rube Goldberg alternatives that will be advocated by our leftist friends. My solution is far simpler than anything the “affordable housing” advocates will offer, but not truly different in effect.
As discriminating readers will logically infer, any government solution to the “affordable housing crisis” will only damage the economy. Over the years, Dr. Sowell has written frequently and brilliantly on the governmental-causes of the “affordable housing crisis”; http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2006/10/03/socialismforthe_rich, for example. (There is an underscore between each of the final four words.) In the morning essay, Jim Wooten rightly focuses on “who ultimately gets the money.” As we all agree that real estate developers are the most deserving poor among us, certainly any subsidy should ultimately be paid to them.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Jim,
I think you outline the situation in the housing lending arena clearly and concisely. Your perceptions, in my judgment, are right correct with respect to the factors that address this debacle and the approaches we should take in attempting to allow it to resolve itself.
I am surprised, however, that my conservative friends, especially my fundamentalist Christian friends, have not zeroed in on the fundamental issue that created this sorry state that so many now find themselves facing…LUST!
Too many, not so financially qualified buyers lusted for houses that were, at best, marginally within their budgets and, all too often, far beyond their abilities to afford. Too many, slick sellers and financiers, lusting for high commissions and fat profits, portrayed these financial real estate deals with all the trappings of sparkle and shine, while masking the brutal reality that there would be a day of reckoning.
We cannot legislate morality…Georgie Bush, Billy Clinton, and Teddy Kennedy are living examples of that…but we do not have to subsidize the fool and we do not have to do business with the modern day robber baron!
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Great idea Jim! Let the free market work and people will buy the housing they can afford where it exists.
For you ‘burbanites, that means paying for the true cost of extensive sewer and water connections that are subsidized by urban centers. Or the cost of extra roads since y’all can’t get your SUV’s to work or Wal-Mart without a mass transportation system—-roads that are subsidized by urban dwellers.
And let’s not forget the subsidized oil going into your yellow-ribbon clad SUV, paid for not just in dollars, but in dependance on crazy people who don’t like us, and lives of American soldiers.
I’m all for Jim’s solution. Quit paying welfare to people just because they live in places like Forsyth County. Why should we have to support their lifestyle choice?
By Jeff
September 18, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
I think Mr. Wooten’s last paragraph sums up how I feel about this issue:
Either let the free market work, so that people live in the houses they can afford where they exist. Or pay the subsidies openly and directly, and require them to live where government wants.
People that desire freedom can live where they wish, in houses as big as they can bear the consequences of.
People that desire a nanny-state can live where the government tells them to, and follow any rules the government imposes upon them. (Note that personally I feel that the rules in these neighborhoods should be as restrictive as possible and enforced as draconianly as possible. With the intent to convince people that they DON’T want to live off the government after all.)
By ron
September 18, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this
Let them live in tents,right, Wooten? I built my own house so I know what it costs.I know the costs of labor.I know what a fair profit is.How does a small house get to be worth $600,000?There is no value behind the figure.The price is inflated with nothing but air.Greed drives the market and we wind up with this morgtage mess.We act like it's never happened before.It has.By Redneck Convert
September 18, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this
Well, I never was in favor of guvmint getting involved in where people live. If somebody can’t afford a house or trailer let them live on the street. Mary and Joseph never went to the guvmint for help when they needed a place to stay while they was on a trip to pay their taxes. They just moved into a barn when they found the rooms at the inn was full up and besides the room taxes was so high. So Mary had Jesus in the barn and laid him down in the manger. Which probly suprized the cows that went to get something to eat and found a baby messing its diaper on the plate. Anyway, it shows right there in the Bible that God set things up so guvmint stays out of the housing business.
And I don’t want the guvmint to move any of Those People into my trailer park. We already got one fambly like that here and we have to be on the lookout for the guy and make sure he ain’t messing with our wifes. I already seen him give the missus the eye.
As a good conservative I think we need to go back to the old days when people walked the roads when they didn’t have no place to live. Like in the days of the depression. They didn’t turn to the guvmint for help when their places were sold out from under them. If the librul democrats hadn’t of come along back then we would all be alot better off today. People would be showing respeck and you wouldn’t have a bunch of hippy-hop people with their pants down around their knees and showing their underwear off. And you wouldn’t have to work along side any of Those People neither.
Anyway, its all Gods Will. If God wants you to have a house or trailer you will have one. If he don’t you won’t have one and will have to rent or live in a washing machine box or something. I know jbmlaw and Sister Dusty and tftt and Van and RCH and all will agree with me when I say guvmint got no business helping people. Guvmint is suppose to clear the way for some of us to make money, not give handouts to people that God don’t want to get handouts.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Anyway, I sure hope this getalife guy stops talking about suing the AJC over how TFTT threatens him. If he has any sense he will know that poor TFTT is just a head case with nothing to do but bluster on Wooten’s blog all day. I don’t take him more serious than I would a barking dog. But at least the dog don’t call names.
And I hope this Aquagirl is repenting right now for her crack about Forsyth County.
By jct
September 18, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this
I don’t believe that anyone can state it better than Mid-South so I won’t try.
Thanks Mid-South for your on target analysis.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Just another idea on the housing lending matter.
There was once a course offered in a Georgia high schools called Consumer Economics. It dealt with a number of daily living situations and endeavored to help students develop the skills for dealing with the various economic requirements of daily life.
We have replaced that witn Economics for college bound students (which, incidentally, all students must now take). Take a look at the performance standards for the modern day course:
(http://www.georgiastandards.org/SearchResults.aspx)
If I were Bubba or Bro, h*ll, I would bored in class too!
By catlady
September 18, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
A blend of Mr. Wooten’s and Aquagirl’s ideas might actually be good. Let EVERYONE pay for their housing, without any subsidies (including that nice mortgage tax writeoff) and let’s see what happens. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
We complain and complain about subsidies until we actually look and see how many WE get.
However, I share Mr. Wooten’s concern about paying for others’ housing. Next we will be subsidizing others’ insurance…wait, we already do that! Or their food….wait, we do that, too. You know, if we take away ALL the subsidies and tax writeoffs, much of the country would be in worse shape financially than it is now. But at least we’d know where we stand (at the bottom of the heap).
By TruthBeTold
September 18, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
How does a small house get to be worth $600,000?There is no value behind the figure.The price is inflated with nothing but air.Greed drives the market and we wind up with this morgtage mess.We act like it’s never happened before.It has.
You know folks…this guy hit the nail on the head. He is right. The fact that people will pay such overly inflated prices illustrates perfectly that in most cases, large groups of people do stupid things. And stupid people drive up prices for everyone. If Americans collectively, as a group, just decided to say hell no I’m not paying that price enough times, guess what? The prices would come down at warp speed. It is absolutely true that something is worth what some idiot will pay for it. Use some common sense folks. Hold out until developers have to come down, or else be left with something they can’t sell because people have turned the tables on these vultures. Give them what it is truly worth and not one penny more. In alot of cases these bloodsuckers would wind up having to practically give it away. Stupid people need to wise up and discover that they truly do have the power to better control the things that are important in this life. Nothing drives prices down like smart, disciplined buyers. Wake up people. Get smarter. Don’t let developers controll the market. You control it. And there is no better time than now to start. With the huge inventory of existing homes on the market today, you can make these developers cry uncle.
By Curious Observer
September 18, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Perhaps Mid-South can figure out what happened to the required course in consumer economics. Let’s see now, the shysters and businessmen don’t want consumers to know how to calculate an interest rate or to figure out that a low interest rate on a car loan comes at the expense of a higher car price that covers the present value of the discount on the interest rate.
No, it’s much simpler to teach an economics course. That other one is bad for business, you know. We can’t be using our schools to teach students financial literacy.
Got it, Mid-South?
By Spare Me
September 18, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this
More useless drivel from Jim; no solutions, just loud whining.
Perhaps all you Bubbas should sieze your property in Iraq cause I hear its a real buyers market there; palm trees, boat slips on the Euphrates for your little dinghy, no pesky gun laws. Why I bet the “coaltion government” would even let you fly your confederate rag on your own pole. As a bonus, you could keep your sister/wife perpetually barefoot and pregnant and never let anyone see her ugly face under her burka.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
I can’t argue with you on that one Curious Observer.
On another matter, the fingers on my right hand do not work well…old injury and years of riotous living are catching up with me.
Consequently, when I type quickly an extra letter may insert itself from time to time. Sometimes my fingers work slower than my mind…believe it or not…and an entire word gets left out. I apologize for my shortcomings.
By Bosch
September 18, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this
I think Mid-South summed it up pretty nicely. People live way beyond their means today. We all love the shiny new Made in China gadgets, we love the big cars and big houses.
Our country and people today are mostly living on credit and it’s caught up with us. They don’t have the cash to back up their spending.
Luckily I don’t live in Atlanta, so I can afford a nice house that is convenient, so I’m not going to jump into the affordable housing debate, because it is something I know nothing about.
However, I was in Alpharetta this past weekend, and the directions to where I was going were not that great and I got lost, had to make a few turns, and wondered around a bit in the city and my thoughts kept coming back to this: DAMN!!! Is that a strip mall or a house? Oh, that’s a house, I see the three Hummers parked in the “garage” (?). What do these people do for a living to afford such a big house and three Hummers? Seriously, what do these people do for a living? Are they in the oil business or sell drugs or are they celebrities? What?
As Mid-South said, we all lust for the “stuff” (I borrow that from George Carlin). We all want more stuff. We won’t tell our kids, “No,” you can not have the newest PlayStation 3 that costs $500.
I heard on NPR today where the housing market is now affecting the stock market, and to be honest I chuckled to myself. I would love to see some of the soccer moms I see every weekend have to get up and go to work and deal with life the way most of us do (it’s amazing to me the soccer moms who have nannys, but yet don’t work - what?).
This hasn’t effected me so much because I do live within my means and tell my kids “no” most of the time without even thinking.
I’ll add one more thought, just like environmentalism and the energy crisis, this is not a one solution problem, it’s a mindset that the general population will have to change their thinking on. Alot of this has to do with the reasons WHY you choose to live where you live, and I’ll leave it at that.
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Oh-oh, I’ve offended the clearly unbalanced Redneck Convert, who has lived in an unventilated trailer for too many years. Unlike the weak ineffectual comments from Dusty, his offhand comment has me curled up in a fetal position in the corner.
If anything happens to me involving a drive-by from a beer truck that has mud flaps with nekkid women, I’m suing the AJC!And Jim! And whoever created the font used in these blog posts! Plus Bill Gates for good measure, he’s the evil wizard of all computers and has really deep pockets.
Where’s my lawyer?!?
By deegee
September 18, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
Say what??? The subprime mess was fueled by big profits in the brokerage and investment community. The risky mortgages were bundled and sold in large numbers over the last few years. Everyone in the business knew the risk but their goal was to make as much money as possible in the shortest period of time. They preyed upon people that were not ready for a mortgage just to close a deal. They took full advantage of the easy money policies of the fed.
“The amount of subprime mortgages issued shot up from $35 billion in 1994 to $625 billion in 2005, says Josh Rosner, a managing director at research firm Graham Fisher. Brokerage firms, which packaged, sold and traded these creative instruments, made big profits. And so did the credit-rating agencies. At Moody’s (Charts) (the only one publicly traded), net income went from $159 million in 2000 to $705 million in 2006, in large part because of increases in fees from “structured finance,” the umbrella under which this mortgage alchemy falls.”
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/04/02/8403416/index.htm?postversion=2007031909
By S. Ankerburg
September 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Wooten we all know that the term “affordable housing” triggers fear among those of your ilk.
By No Laughing Matter
September 18, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
Jim, do you have some specific proposal in mind here, or are you just crying wolf? Affordable housing should be a goal for everyone. And how stupid is it to call “clean air, sprawl and economic justice” buzz words? Right, why would we want any of those things? I love the smog we breathe in August around here, and look forward to another Burger King and Starbucks on the next block. And please don’t try to tell us that all developers and those who profit from high density development or more government borrowing are “liberals”. I would venture a guess that a good many real estate developers are in fact Republicans. Your constant twisting of facts to make a point renders your opinions useless.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this
Everytime the repukes are in power in washington, housing is used as a lever to steal billions of dollars from banks, savings and loans, and now from peoples retirement plans via the so called collatorized debt obligation. Ronny Ray Gun was one of the worst presidents ever, his so called economic miracle was based on looting the S&L’s, which we the taxpayers had to pay for the bailout. Under the Chimp, the looting is 100 times worse. The repuke speculators used liar loans to buy 5 to 10 spec houses with nothing down. As the house was being built, the weight of more repukes buying more spec houses pushed up the value of all houses, such that the early house flippers could turn a 30 to 50 percent profit on their original nothing down, nothing risked purchase. This pyrimide scheme failed, as all pyrimide scheme must fail as prices were pushed to extreme highs. Now the demands for a bail out, so people will have someplace to live. Well I say, let them live in pup tents under a bridge, but no bailout for anyone, ever.
By Blessed are the REALLY ticked
September 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this
When the free market works (see healthcare as an example) it works really well for the owners of the market.
However,it usually ends up not working so well for the majority of Americans.
Unrestrained, unregulated capitalism is one of the major internal enemies of this nation.
The markets’ greed often kills people.
(Lick a Thomas the tank engine or eat a bagged salad if you don’t agree)
By Anonymous
September 18, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this
Like Wooten, I long for the good old days when the free market was allowed to work unimpeded, and affordable housing was everywhere.
They were called “company towns,” where the slave-labor class was crammed together a short, convenient distance from the sweatshop.
Those, of course, were eventually replaced with Hoovervilles, an even MORE affordable form of housing.
And we all know what great times those were.
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Well, MidSouth Phil @ 8:13.
You surely did throw the old liberal “lies” into the fan this morning. You rated President Bush right along with Billy Clinton and Teddy Kennedy to go with that old phrase,”We cannot legislate morality.” By your example, we cannot keep some people from lying either.
To equate President Bush with the likes of fornicator disbarred Clinton and “Drown ‘em Deep” Kennedy is the product of a brainwashed liberal whose mind does not work as well as his crooked fingers. Perhaps your dedication to Democratic dreams has made you less than honest. I had expected you to tell the truth. Now I don’t.
AquaGirl @ 9:14
Why are you knocking RedNeck Convert when he is one of yours? Certainly no real Southerner or real conservative would claim him. He’s kinda cute, like an escapee from DollyWood, phony, made up and backwoodsy dumb. Oh well, as I said, he’s liberal.
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
With Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, and God knows what else government-driven payment, the healthcare system isn’t an example of unregulated capitalism. Just ask the pharma companies who recently got the pseudo-Republican Bush to pass the Medicare drug benefit. Consumers aren’t paying for their drugs, unless you’re unlucky enough not to be old and entitled to such coverage.
Nope, the big industries could count on millions of Americans being stupid enough to elect someone equally stupid, who will let a big company rape you by government taxation. You don’t have a choice as to the pharma company taking your money. Our resident Monkey-In-Chief has taken that free choice away from you. You have to pay medical costs of a 70 year old millionare who is playing shuffleboard in Miami Beach. What’s free-market about that?
By MOC
September 18, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
DAYUUUUUUM!! I actually agree with timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms. Hell no. No bailouts for anybody. Especially businesses that do dumb business and make stupid business decisions. Eliminate that nanny state and you won’t have to bail out individuals anymore. When business is held responsible for being stupid you can bet your azz there will be fewer “stupid” consumers.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
The womans health initiative was a clinton era program the poured billions into researching womens health problems. Their greatest claim to fame was the creation of a link between estrogen replacement therapy and heart disease. Never mind that the link was false, the feminazi in the clinton administration did not like feminine women, and estrogen replacement therapy allowed women to maintain their femine looks into old age. By claiming estrogen replacement damaged womens hearts, a whole generation of american women could be defeminized. Recent research now demonstrates that it is the lack of estrogen in womens bodies that allows a form of cholesterol to bind to receptors in blood vesseles, allowing cholesterol to build up and form plack. When sufficent levels of estrogen are present, the estrogen binds to these receptors, thus preventing the cholesterol metabalite from binding. Once the cholesterol like molecule has bonded with the receptor, it is irreversable, as an increase in estrogen cannot dislodge the cholesterol metabolit. The result is many more women born from 1945 thru 1960 who either stopped or never started estrogen replacement therapy will now die from heart disease, thanks to the Clinton familiy and their feminazi pals.
By PJ
September 18, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
I hate those liberals and their clean air.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
To Dusty @ 9:58
Your embrace of the Bushite dogma, of course, compells you to fail to see the frailties of Georgie. I understand that.
Truth, as Georgie understands, is in the perception of the believer as your perception of me as a liberal is evidence.
The fanatics, of course, have all the answers. Just ask them.
The fanatic governance of personal behavior is no different whether it is the rantings of Hillary Clinton or Ann Coulter. The subjugation of personal liberty is the same whether it is progressive big brother or conservative legislative restraint.
By Bosch
September 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
MOC and that name that’s too long to type, I’m there with you. No bailouts for no one, not even the greedy businessmen who will also lose their homes. Let them see how it feels right with those who bought houses they couldn’t afford in the gated communities they chose to live in because they didn’t want to live around the untouchables and live pretty lives.
But, you know as well as I do, this will be like the Savings and Loan crisis in the 80s, hmmmm…..who was involved with that little fiasco? Oh, I remember it was George’s brother Ned. Yes, that’s right, and what happened? Bailout. So, don’t fool yourselves, rich people can never not have their stuff. It’s bad for the economy, remember?
The government will bail them out just like they did 20 years ago.
No one has told me yet, what DO those people in Alpharetta do for a living?
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Oh, Dusty, don’t be mad and spread lies about Redneck because he’s funnier and more articulate. I know it hurts you to be outdone by a trailer-dwelling beer truck driver. Just deal with it.
I do agree that Bush shouldn’t be compared to Clinton (flat out much better president) or Teddy, who is inept,and can apparently only kill people who get in his car. Bush is using the government to kill a whole lot more people. He’s found organized type-A soul-sucking vermin to do the job. I’ll give him that much.
By 20/20 Hindsight
September 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Only the dumbest of the dumb, or a member of that lunatic theocratic right could with a straight face say 8 years of the Bush administration is preferable to the 8 years under Bill Clinton. When you compare a few BJs with what this administration has put us through…….go figure.
By Pompano
September 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
I get a kick out of how the libs keep contradicting themselves on this topic.
First, the AJC runs articles from libs on how the belt-line is driving up property values and how this evil process will cause people to lose their homes due to the increase in property taxes.
Then, Bookman pens an article on how evil it would be to eliminate property taxes. Wouldn’t this solve issue #1? (btw - Bookman’s articles on taxes are quite comical. Could anyone know less about a topic?)
The goals seems to be to create a two-tier system whereby some citizens pay taxes while select underserving groups get a free ride.
By Ray
September 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Dittos Pompano!
Cheney/Satan ‘08!
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Irresponsible Lending? How about Irresponsible Investing on Wall Street and then the Fed bails them out?
The Fed -bailed fat-bellies always expect and receive subsidies to keep their portfolios afloat.
When they let the free markets alone, then I’ll support Wooten’s insidiously evil plan to Make America Homeless.
Make America Homeless. Everybody shout it out your windows!! MAKE AMERiCA HOMELESS!!!
They’re shouting it down at the AJC. ……they’re shouting it over at Soccor Mom Central in dunwoody…..they’re shouting it over at the I’m-not-gay-nor-have-I-ever-been-gay bars in buckhead…….MAKE AMERICA HOMELESS.
That’s so cold, man.
…and if you add the fact that Bush really DID know what he was doing post 911: Bush found Osama Bin Laden and ordered his general to attack. Bush is a great man who was betrayed by his General Rumsfeld who refused to attack. Bush did everything RIGHT. It was Rumsfeld who refused to obey the order to attack Osama Bin Laden. (where was cheney in all this…)
Bush did a great job post 911. He really did. It only took a year and we could capture and destroy al queda and their thug, osama bin laden. You have to respect Bush for that. Amazing.
Now, all you have to do George is order the attack. You already did? What happened. Oh, Cheney told Rumsfeld not to attack? Why? Cause if you destroyed al queda then Iraq would be too hard to sell?
Ach so….
By Southern Democrat
September 18, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
My problem with the slant of Mr. Wooten’s essay today is that it condemns a projected intervention of government into helping citizens find affordable housing, but ignores an area where government has already stepped in and mucked up the system to benefit the big guys.
As some of you may recall, between my tenure as an English teacher and my current life as a litigator, I was a commercial real estate attorney in New York, dealing primarily with commercial mortgage backed securities. The CMBS were a wonderful way to package fairly good debt and sell it on the market. For the most part, banks behaved responsibly and buyers of the securities had a good idea of the value of the debt they were purchasing. Within the past 10-20 years, though, the explosion of state government legislation favoring limited liability companies and single purchase entities to avoid taxation, coupled with a Fed more than willing to give away cheap money created a system whereby average taxpayers and homeowners were propping up a get-rich-quick scheme for banks and sophisticated real estate developers. It was (and is) insane! I mainly represented financial institutions and the pressure to “just get the deal done” and get the loan closed so we could package the CMBS was immense because it was so profitable for everyone involved.
The problem is that the vast majority of SPE LLCs simply want the loan and don’t care about the property… the higher the valuation of the land, the more that they could borrow against it. I did one series of deals where an INDIVIDUAL bought a building for $5M with 100% financing courtesy of my bank client and then re-financed within A YEAR for $9M with 100% financing and interest only payments for 20 years with a balloon payment at the end (at which point he would either re-finance or sell the LLC).
The point I’m trying to make is, don’t for a second think that government intervention does not favor the sophisticated businessperson the majority of the time.
By time for the only slightly terroristic truth
September 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
inbred rednekkk needs to stop smoking crystal meth moonpies … this sad pathetic yanKKKee blue belly racist needs its extra-chromosomed kinfolks down at Billybobs Fiery Cross Bar to give it another full frontal lobotomy. Only this time with an ethanol powered chainsaw - so the global whiners don’t have a hissy fit!!
as for the increasingly execrable yellow bellied maggot getaturd … this vile COCKroach is the archetypal rabid moveyourbowels.org cyber bully. It gleefully daily pukes up its unremitting unhinged poisonous hate yet gets all sullen and spiteful when verbally biiiitchslapped by its conservtaive betters. Time for getaturd to be DELOUSED and deported.
I am overjoyed to say I am now very aggressively suing the vacuous narcissistic arty farty mercilessly unfunny nutter aborted foreskin (in the GA Supreme Court for paranoid nutters seeking to despicably try like a real pansy to cretinously bully and intimidate their comedic betters) not for its paranoid witless simpering absurd puerile LIES yesterday but for making me laugh so freaking hard I almost cracked two ribs!!!
Please note … the above comments are not the TRUE opinions of the English intellectual comedic genius time for the truth - nor of Senor Wooten or the Atlanta Urinal newspaper, This is purely NON-TERRORISTIC banter for entertainment at the expense of leftist scum purposes only!!
INSTANT DEATH TO LIBERALS AND LIBERALISM!!! yikes … some nasty vile leftie has just hacked in to my id trying to cynically incriminate me … is that U aborted foreskin … U little bugger U!!
By Thomas Paine
September 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
I don’t think anyone in ths country has to worry about property taxes being eliminated. Think about it folks. As long as there is a property tax you don’t really own your own property. The government just lets you live there until you get too far in arrears. Does anyone here really think that the government will ever give up that power over we the people?
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
Dear MidSouth @ 10:11, I hate to divert us into a side-issue, as few seem to be interested in addressing the “subprime mortgage crisis” and solutions, but I think you were too casual with Dusty’s inquiry. I agree with Dusty, that George Bush is not guilty of any meaningful lapse in his seemingly-Kantian ethics. Conservatives can disagree with many of his political initiatives – steel quotas, the agriculture bill, the education bill – and we all know the non-conservatives would prefer “duck and cover” to addressing the Islamist problem, but those are political disagreements, not examples of immorality. When you earlier wrote, “We cannot legislate morality…Georgie Bush, Billy Clinton, and Teddy Kennedy are living examples of that…” what, exactly, did you have in mind regarding President Bush? Surely you are not buying into the Leftist rant about errors in CIA intelligence being “lies?”
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
THE Captain is very busy today with important personal business. Very important. THE Captain is, as you all know, a Very Important Person.
But to the point.
Dusty, in her green envy at being outthought and outwritten by a 7th grade dropout trailer dweller, has gone and insulted Dolly Parton, a paragon of Southern Womanhood and a darn fine singer to boot. Shame on you Dusty. Shame shame shame.
As to Mr Wooten’s topic today, I agree wholeheartedly. When THE Captain was young, the colored woman who cleaned His Momma’s house thought nothing of riding several buses 2 hours each way to earn her honest day’s pay. It really is not any nevermind if people have to live far away from work. THE Captain Himself has to spend at least 45 minutes each way in His Tahoe to go to work and you don’t see Him crying about not living closer. He just buys a coffee, cranks up His Ipod and air conditioner, and sits back to enjoy the ride. THE Captain believes that you (and by ‘you’ He means ‘He’) should just enjoy what life gives you (again), and not worry so much.
So, let the people live where they can and they can take mass transit to work.
Oh, except mass transit uses His tax money, and it really only goes to benefit Those People, so actually THE Captain thinks public transit should be eliminated, or at least the rates shuold be much higher so it pays for itself. Maybe they can charge variable rates based on how far one travels, so the people who ride the farthest pay the most. That would be fair.
Anyway, the people who don’t bother to buy a house are just stupid. THE Captain enjoyes the benefits of homeownership, especially the tax break He receives for His hefty interest payments. But that is not a subsidy…that is intelligent government stimulation of economic growth. Why the poor don’t wise up and take advantage of this incentive is beyond THE Captain, and very few things are beyond His certainty.
So there we have it. A perfect solution to a non-problem that liberals just made up to try to take more of THE Captain’s hard-earned money. Notice, Pompano, the perfect logical consistency of THE Captain’s plan. Just another demonstration of the superiority of the Right Thinking Conservative mind.
By No Laughing Matter
September 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
What the heck is a “comedic better”?
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
An elegantly misleading and wrong proof of God:
Postulate. God/No God? Both possibilities exist simultaneously, therefore, God exists. (Schroedinger).
Proof. The apparatus of probability is necessarily implied by the irony of a God existing or a God not existing.
In other words, the mere possibility that there might be a God who needed mankind to observe Him creates the spectrum of outcomes in which God surely resides. .
Postulate: The universe was created when man first observed it.
Proof. Since the universe exists only in our minds, we had to come first.
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
jbm,
THE Captain believes that the treasonous and heretical comment regarding the morality (or lack thereof) of Our Leader Bush may be a backhanded reference to his well-documented but certainly not true escapades involving drunken driving, convincing a girlfriend to abort their precious in-the-womb baby, and snorting coke off the a$$ of Mexican hookers.
THE Captain does not believe any of these charges, nor does he believe that Laura Bush intentionally killed her ex-boyfriend in a hit-and-run automobile accident (similar to Teddy K, but without the water and of course he is a murderous liberal, unlike Our Leader’s Stepford Bride).
One old frat friend of Our Leader described him thusly:”He’s the kind of guy who would finger-f^ch a man’s wife and then giggle when he shook the man’s hand with his unwashed digit.”
THE Captain finds this charge to be contumely and apostatic, and is crestfallen that He was forced to report it here in Our Leader’s defense.
THE Captain is indeed outraged that Dusty’s question forced Him to air these baseless charges yet again, and He trusts that the tone of the conversation will not fall to these depths again.
By Hypocrites
September 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Mr. Wooten, your column is rather shortsided and conveniently overlooks some government policies to advocate your laisez faire approach to government. If you truly hold government subsidies in the housing market with such disdain, I am surprised that your column wholly ignores the largest government housing subsidy, the mortgage tax credit, but criticizes policies which account for such a small portion of government spending. The mortgage tax credit that the government spends each year (the government withholds its right to collect taxes for money that you spend on a mortgage) goes disproportionately to subsidized housing for the wealthy and accounts for a huge portion of federal government spending. I assume that Mr. Wooten’s distinction is that subsidies for the wealthy are fine, but not for the working class. The mortgage subsidy is so politically entrenched that it has become even more difficult to touch than social security and may even stand in the way of other tax reforms. The mortgage tax credit combined with government zoning regulation (particularly in the suburbs) has promoted the construction of single family homes in a particular pattern (ie 1 acre lots with big homes) even though such a development pattern has long since fallen out of vogue. It is poor government regulation that has created the environment for the affordable housing crisis. Yet, Mr. Wooten would have us believe that the highly regulated government state that has led to his one acre and 4,000 square foot house development dream, is in fact the free market. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ms. Gay’s point about convenient affordable housing located near jobs is a critical issue for this region and must be addressed. The 70’s, 80’s and 90’s have taught us that we will never be able to add enough lanes to get us out of the traffic mess that we are in. Part of the solution to our traffic nightmare is to adopt more sensible land use strategies (many of which would likely be free market driven if given the chance), such that folks do not have to live a million miles from where they work and play. I am not afraid of a little government intervention to promote healthier land use policies if it will offset the many years of government intervention that led to the current state of things. Mr. Wooten the next time that you write about something that you know nothing about, at least have the decency to do a little research.
By Pompano
September 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
Like your style Captain. I personally have a +1 hr commute and just suck it up and deal with it. However, I do take advantage of the taxpayer subsidized Marta rail - wouldn’t have any problem w/them charging actual costs as long as everyone pays (no BS exemptions for select groups). Added benefit is would likely help prevent the homeless from riding the rails for a place to sleep.
By Commander Guy
September 18, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
What the heck is a “comedic better”?
Sounds like something that barmy Brit might write. You don’t really read hi posts anymore, do you? The best thing about TFTT is that every post is the same string of adjectival frenzy, sound and fury signifying less than nothing. Ignore him and it’s as though he has gone away.
Proof. Since the universe exists only in our minds, we had to come first.
Who came first, Senator Vitter or the Madam?
Comedic better my a$s.
By No Laughing Matter
September 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Commander guy, I don’t usually read TFTT’s rants, but for some reason, that phrase caught my eye. Probably because it had the GA Supreme Court in the same sentence. It won’t happen again. Sorry.
By GaLiberal
September 18, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Moron Jim says: We are now said to have an “affordability crisis” that was masked by subprime lending but is now revealed by the wave of foreclosures that resulted from irresponsible lending and borrowing.
What Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that there is in fact an ‘affordability crisis.’ You see, housing prices continue to increase faster than inflation while salaries have just kept up or, in many cases, actually declined. Add on healthcare and educational costs and the ‘American Dream’ is more out of reach than ever before. The middle class is getting squeezed harder by shrinking salary and increasing housing, healthcare, and commuting costs. So instead of being able to buy a 4-bedroom 3-bath house in an area that has good schools and is reasonable close to work, people either move further into areas that are further from work and don’t have good schools or take a much smaller house closer to work with good schools. All this is based on having a decent job. Many people don’t so they must settle for housing in undesirable areas (bad schools, high crime, unmaintained houses, etc). The social costs of this situation is more gangs, more drugs, and more crime. Now the rich, like Moron Jim and his ‘Let them eat cake.’ brethren don’t see this as a problem. They have their big energy-sucking, air-polluting, ozone-damaging mansions on 5 acres. Further, they will get the government (which they apparently hate) to build more prisons to lock up criminals and build more roads so Moron Jim can drive to work in his gas-guzzling SUV.
Another thing Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that he’s a bovated gas-bag and doesn’t understand why anyone with half-a-brain listens to him. I think the ‘half-a-brain’ concept is key here.
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
*By Pompano *
*Like your style Captain. *
You, sir, are a shrewd judge of character. Kudos.
as long as everyone pays (no BS exemptions for select groups).
Pompano, one of the greatest outrages is that students are given a greter-than-50% discount for the Marta usage. This is yet another liberal ripoff of the decent taxpaying citizen to support education for those people who really cannot afford it in the first place. It is the Wrong Thing to do.
This policy of subsidizing education results in a smart alecky working class that has been led to expect “something more” from life than what God planned for them. As a result, service industries suffer as fewer and fewer people are willing to do such work for the pay offered. And those that do take those jobs are often indolent, lazy, and insufficiently deferential to their better-heeled customers.
This misguided liberal policy of “universal education” may in fact be more responsible than unionization for the decline in American worker productivity. It is certainly one of the reasons Our Leader has turned a blind eye to all the illegal brown people who flood Our Nation daily. What else can he do? Subsidized education has put him in an untenable position where he is forced to import a pliant underclass.
THE Captain often wonders if No Child Left Behind actually refers to all the little Juans and Marias and Pedros in those mysterious countries to our south.
Truly, what ill of society cannot be traced back to someone who once attended a public school. Yours and THE Captain’s tax dollars going to fund a breeding ground for criminality and disrespect. It is yet another liberal experiment that has failed, and should be discontinued immediately. Just think of the savings on your property tax bill alone.
It’s the Right Thing to do.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
I agree Capt F, let us end this free public education nonsense. I know that on my plantation, reading and writting is forbidden everywhere except in the Big house, and then only by the males. My people are happy, singing religious hyms all day as they pick the cotton, and tend to the tobacco. I alone have the burden of reading the world news, and creating plans to keep my land and people in place, despite the ugly rise of socialism and capitalism, a pox on both their houses.
By Instant Death to British Immigrants
September 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Who came first, Mark Foley or Larry Craig?
By Pompano
September 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
I think the Captain is due a promotion.
Hail General Freedom!
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this
Dear Jbmlaw
With respect to my inclusion of the President in the company of former President Clinton and Senator Kennedy, my point was that the moral condition is not unique to either party.
With respect to specific transgressions, I offer the following:
While I do NOT embrace the leftist argument that the President lied to us to get us into the Iraq War and while I agree that every intelligence organization in the world apparently though Saddam was about to set off the bomb, I do find it troubling that not one, not a single one, of the intelligence officers of the United States intelligence services have lost their job for what, under the best of circumstances, must have been gross misfeasance.
The President’s allowing Donald Rumsfeld, initially in the Iraqi War, to deploy fighting forces of the United States with less than sufficient armored equipment borders on the immoral.
The President’s failure to fulfill his oath of office with respect to the handling of (NOT just illegal immigration, but) border invasion of the United States is certainly a moral failure.
The fact that the President, with what he, himself feared was a drinking problem but which he has apparently controlled, has NEVER answered the question from the first campaign as to whether or not he, in his private life prior to politics, ever used cocaine.
By Redneck Convert
September 18, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
Well, I see that Fred Goldman guy on TV crying again. Its been 13 years since his boy was kilt and he’s still crying like he missed out on the fried apple pie when it was passed around. I say move on and get some smaller glasses. The ones he got look like a pair of dishes. A librul jury missed out on the chance to use the Death Penalty on one of Those People so it ain’t going to happen. Funny how this Fred Goldman sure goes after the money every chance he gets. First suing and getting the book he don’t want printed and then printing it and now trying to get his hands on some more O.J. stuff to sell. Sounds just like jbmlaw and his libratarians. Use the guvmint to let you get your hands on every penny you can and also to keep anybody else from making any.
I’m just taking a early lunch break and writing in to beg Sister Dusty and Aquagirl not to spat over me. Besides, I’m already took by the missus. And you can tell Sister Dusty I ain’t no librul neither. I’m a god fearing conservative Christian Republican that is the very soul of the party. If it wasn’t for folks like me Al Gore would be finishing up his second term right now. So at least you all can give me credit for all the glory of the years under a Republican president.
I got nothing left to say about this housing thing. If God don’t want you to have a house you shouldn’t go against his Will and go out and buy one. We just need to let Free Innerprize work and take the houses away from the people that ain’t meant to have them. Just dump the people out onto the street and let them figure out where to live. Only don’t let the mortgage lenders take a loss because then people won’t be able to buy new trailers when they save up a little money for a down payment.
By PimpsAndRepubs
September 18, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this
By Commander Guy
September 18, 2007 11:05 AMWho came first, Senator Vitter or the Madam?
That one is easy Pompano. Of course Vitter came first. Without Vitter the market force did not exist. Once the market existed the madam being aware of that and supplied the demand. Without the demand the supply could have lain spread eagle in the street and not one penny would have changed hands.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this
Dear Hypocrites @ 11:02, the flaw in your argument is your assumption that all wealth is the government’s. A failure to steal is not a subsidy.
Dear MidSouth @ 11:37, thank you for sharing your thoughts, but I still disagree. (1) “Failure to fire” (or alternatively, to “set up a sacrificial lamb”) is not an issue of morality; perhaps there is some evil intent at the heart of the “failure to fire” that could be immoral, but I think that is, at most generous, undemonstrated. (2) Going to war quickly, rather that perfectly, strikes me as a potential error in judgment, but again, absent an evil intent, I cannot assess immorality. (3) I certainly disagree with the morality of laws impeding free flow of human beings, but even granting the alternative possibility, inefficacy in enforcing laws would not be immoral, absent an evil intent. (4) Unless one subscribes to the hypothesis that all of life is now one Jerry Springer show, silence in the face of inquiry is not immoral; accepting your line of argument would indict Jesus Christ as immoral for his refusal to address Herod.
By InquiringMind
September 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
Mid-South Philosopher would you care to explain just how your statement: The President’s failure to fulfill his oath of office with respect to the handling of (NOT just illegal immigration, but) border invasion of the United States is certainly a moral failure.
GWs common sense stand on immigration may just be the most moral undertaking of his presidency. On the other hand, the kind of draconian, inhumane measures as advocated by those of your ilk can definately be seen as immoral. You are way off base with that ignorant statement.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Particle Accelerator: They are building a super collider which will be operational soon if not already. It’s what we should have built in the 80’s when congress killed it, the Supercollider in Texas. Did you know that they killed it by claiming that giant ants would eat the wiring? Do you know how ignorant you have to be to believe that? We all believed it.
If only we had built that supercollider, we would know what the new collider will prove. We are on the cusp of a crisp new understanding of our universe. All of science in on the table.
Congress did pass that 1.6 gallon per flush law aroung the same time they kilt da collider, so I guess we’re even. Kellogs started putting two-scoops of raisins in their cereal around that same time and Charmins suddenly came up with the triple roll and you’re gonna tell me our country isn’t a conspiracy of the fiber industry?
This is the world I have to live in? These are the minds I have to share the planet with?
Stop the world! I want to get off!
By CB
September 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
Can anyone stay on topic here? The subject is do we use subsidies to help pay for Affordable Housing. The idea primarily about Affordable is who is being provided Affordable homes and why? The Policeman, Firemen & Teachers that live off less because they have choosen to provide services to help their community is who I thought we were talking about. So how does one provide them Affordable Homes? And another question is who really ends up with these Affordable Homes and who really pays for them? Housing has a Real cost and it continues to escalate every year for numerous reasons. The cost of Land is the most basic and substantial cost to a home especially is we are talking about a specific location. Building Costs have been going through the literal Roof. The Mixed-Use home that has been discussed has seen a sale price of around $200 PSF and has recently been averaging $250 PSF which means a very small 1000 SF home cost between $200,000 - $250,000. Labor & Materials are the primary cost once you pay for the Land. If we want to talk about subsidizing the cost of Housing the first place that one would have to look at is these components. The cheaper the land the more Affordable the home. Cities & Counties and the Federal Government own Land all over the country. Do these entities want to donate the Land to build Affordable Homes for the Work Force groups we’re discussing. Of course this is still a subsidy that Tax payers are providing indirectly but at least in most cases it is land that is already owned and has a lower base cost to it. Taking Land through Emminent Domain is not a solution either. There is still a Government cost associated with this process along with other Costs to the owners. A recent process that has taken on quite a significant in-road to this problem has been where “Public Slums” have been torn down to provide new solutions of Mixed Income housing. This solution often has a set of problems related to it as well when you have hundreds of folks uprooted with no other form of housing provided either. This creates a whole new set of problem to deal with. Ones that we do need to deal with. But in the end how can we be sure that the Future “Work Force” homeowner ends up with an Affordable Home when the current one moves on? Can we do deed restrictions that only allow someone that is in this particular group buy the home and at what price so that it remains affordable? There are many questions that need to be answered.
Or do we just find cheap land, which means non-desirable land, and go about building homes the way that the Habitat for Humanity group has provided affordable homes for quite a few folks? Of course they are also facing the same dilemma with finding affordable land to the point that they are now building Multi-Family units but they also face several others issues as well. There are the NIMBY’s that don’t want affordable homes built in their area for one and they also face the other factor of rising construction materials. The labor is the one commodity that has been provided by this particular buyer along with community help. A Community of People have chosen to help some that can’t help themselves. Is that what it will take to povide for these groups since they help provide help to all of us and our families?
But I have a problem with people who have no clue about what it takes to build a home commenting here on subjects that they know nothing about. Maybe you just like to have your various opinions displayed for all to see. I don’t know, but this is a very serious subject that really takes intelligent thought and abilities that everyone could participate in some constructive way. Yes, Mortgage Companies did provide Low Interest loans to many who now can’t afford those loans now that they have adjusted but what if they had paid their bills on time and gotten more affordable loan programs that were reasonable? Or maybe, as others have stated, they just bought more house then they could really afford. That might be the real answer. Buy what we need instead of what our greed wants.
But The government could do its part, the buyers their part, the builders their part along with Us the community as a whole. Wouldn’t this world be a wonderful place to live if we could all put aside our differences for a minute in order to really solve problems. There are solutions to these issues but it needs a complete and radical new approach to handling it. Not Left or Right dialogue that leads no where fast. We need substantive thinking, planning and creative solutions that can provide real answers to real problems. Just a thought about a Real Problem.
By deegee
September 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this
Here’s another way of making housing affordable. Buy or rent a house and move your extended family in and share expenses. That goes over like a duki in the punchbowl around here.
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
Uh oh,11:37
Mid South Phil has now gone to naming failed policies as “immoral”. Has your hate for our elected President carried you that far?
You had to go back to the President’s youthful days to find something “immoral” that is even confessed by Democratic runners for president this very day. Do you find Obama immoral because he tried cocaine in his younger days?
Our military is considered the best trained and best equiped in the world. But you want to act like we sent a bunch of inprotected kids to fight in Iraq. That is another liberal propaganda move against those who fight for the USA. They are over there fighting for us and you want to act like they were sent to be killed like ducks in a row. How can you stand your own propaganda?
I can understand some dolt saying stupid stuff about the President and the war but I find no excuse for you, MidSouth. You have betrayed your own morality by your lack of honesty.
By h ryder
September 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
If you cannot afford it. Do not buy it. Second point, Bush needs to advocate providing all immigrants immediate citizenship(both legal and illegal) because all democrats would oppose this and pitch at least the illegals to spite the PREZ.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
WHEN THE MINI BLACK HOLE FORMS IN SWITZERLAND AT THE NEW SUPER CONDUCTING SUPER COLLIDER, WE ARE ALL GOING TO GET THE SUCK JOB OF ALL TIME.
By Megaphone Shouting Lib
September 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
A Nebraska state senator is suing God for causing floods. No, this is no joke. Now, I went to PMSNBC, Clinton News Network, Associated Puss, Roto Reuters, and finally Fox News. For example,
PMS:
“State Sen. Ernie Chambers sued God last week.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20827350/
“Nebraska Democratic State Senator Ernie Chambers has decided to go straight to the top in an effort to stop natural disasters from befalling the world.” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297121,00.html
Always, always hide the evidence of Democrat[ic] shenanigans and insanity, right main stream media? Had this been a Republican doing something as insane, the R would have been mentioned about a dozen times in the article. No agenda in the MSN? Think again.
By deegee
September 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this
There is more to the story, megaphone lib. Did you read the whole article? He’s no dummy.
“State Sen. Ernie Chambers sued God last week. Angered by another lawsuit he considers frivolous, Chambers says he’s trying to make the point that anybody can file a lawsuit against anybody.Chambers said the lawsuit was triggered by a federal suit filed against a judge who recently barred words such as “rape” and “victim” from a sexual assault trial.
The accuser in the criminal case, Tory Bowen, sued Lancaster District Judge Jeffre Cheuvront, claiming that he violated her free speech rights.
Chambers said Bowen’s lawsuit is inappropriate because the Nebraska Supreme Court has already considered the case and federal courts follow the decisions of state supreme courts on state matters.”
By GaLiberal
September 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
Moron Jim says: We are now said to have an “affordability crisis” that was masked by subprime lending but is now revealed by the wave of foreclosures that resulted from irresponsible lending and borrowing.
What Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that there is in fact an ‘affordability crisis.’ You see, housing prices continue to increase faster than inflation while salaries have just kept up or, in many cases, actually declined. Add on healthcare and educational costs and the ‘American Dream’ is more out of reach than ever before. The middle class is getting squeezed harder by shrinking salary and increasing housing, healthcare, and commuting costs. So instead of being able to buy a 4-bedroom 3-bath house in an area that has good schools and is reasonable close to work, people either move further into areas that are further from work and don’t have good schools or take a much smaller house closer to work with good schools. All this is based on having a decent job. Many people don’t so they must settle for housing in undesirable areas (bad schools, high crime, unmaintained houses, etc). The social costs of this situation is more gangs, more drugs, and more crime. Now the rich, like Moron Jim and his ‘Let them eat cake.’ brethren don’t see this as a problem. They have their big energy-sucking, air-polluting, ozone-damaging mansions on 5 acres. Further, they will get the government (which they apparently hate) to build more prisons to lock up criminals and build more roads so Moron Jim can drive to work in his gas-guzzling SUV.
Another thing Moron Jim doesn’t tell you is that he’s a bovated gas-bag and doesn’t understand why anyone with half-a-brain listens to him. I think the ‘half-a-brain’ concept is key here.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this
Dusty, when the cheerleader in chief sucked off each and every member of skull and bones, many of us thought it was immoral.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
Jim is not a moron. He stirs the pot with outrageous positions on the issues so a lively debate is born.
If we could rid ourselves of controversy and all agree on every issue, then we would be Al Queda.
Isn’t it funny how radical christianists see radical islamists as the great satan, and radical islamists see radical christianists as the great satan. That’s because they are equivalent. We ultimately become that which we most despise.
By MrLiberty
September 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this
How is it on topics like this you can completely get it and on others have your head so far up your butt?
Every activity that govenment is involved in is a failure because people are inappropriately influenced to make decisions they might not have without the interference.
Drugs, gambling, prostitution, medical care, education, the post office, the banking system, the airlines, the broadcast media, the FDA, every other regulatory agency, etc.
Why can’t you get it? Government must go away, and people must be left alone to be free. It is so simple. Maybe somebody should write it down and base a country on it. Too late, they already did that in 1776.
Too bad Mr. Wooten and his clan only get it about loans. The problem is bigger that loans Jim.
By Germany
September 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Byron Leftwich is a statue with a so-so arm. Sign him if you must, but I’m just saying he’s no David Garrard.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
Bring on Little Joe Hamilton as the Savior of the Falconettes.
By DebbieDoRight
September 18, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
You surely did throw the old liberal “lies” into the fan this morning. You rated President Bush right along with Billy Clinton and Teddy Kennedy to go with that old phrase,”We cannot legislate morality.” By your example, we cannot keep some people from lying either.
What she’s really saying: I luv Dumbya!! luv him, luv him, luv him!!!! Hate Clinton he’ smart!! hate,hate hate hate hate!!! Hate Kennedy he’s rich!! HATE HATE HATE!!
To equate President Bush with the likes of fornicator disbarred Clinton and “Drown ‘em Deep” Kennedy is the product of a brainwashed liberal whose mind does not work as well as his crooked fingers. Perhaps your dedication to Democratic dreams has made you less than honest. I had expected you to tell the truth. Now I don’t.
What she’s really saying: I luv Dumbya!! i’ll drink his dirty toilet water!! luv him, luv him, luv him!!!! Hate Clinton he’ smart!! hate,hate hate hate hate!!! Hate Kennedy he’s rich!! HATE HATE HATE!!
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this
Dear Jbmlaw
I respect your opinion, but, as you say, we disagree on this one. I listed those things that I felt were indicative of a pattern of behavior on a general scale.
I did not touch on the issue of George W. Bush’s business career, some questionable behaviors while Governor of Texas, and the South Carolina campaign sabatoge of Senator John McCain in 2000.
At any extent, the remainder of his is short, and, failing another attack on the homeland by Islamist fanatics, he will accomplish very little, for good or ill,in the remaining time he has in office.
By Mid-South Philosopher
September 18, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
Dusty
It is OK.
I realize the strong sway of influence the Bushite doctrine holds over its converts. The knowledge that within 15 months the ineptness and stubborn pride of opinion of Georgie’s administration will be gone; likely replaced by an equally malfeasant Democratic regime, probably headed by Hillary, must, indeed, rattle your psyche.
I know it does mine.
Alas, barring another attack by Islamist fanatics upon the homeland within in the next year, Georgie’s presidency will be awarded, at best, a D-, and his legacy will be relegated to the level of Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, and Harding.
I know, Dusty, I know. But it is OK.
By Curious Observer
September 18, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this
It is sad to contemplate poor Crusty’s future. As an old woman whiling her life away in a nursing home, she will continue to be rankled as she reads newspaper items and history books containing phrases like “during the disastrous Bush administration” and “the feckless administrations of Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Harding, and GW Bush.” I already feel sorry for the hapless attendants to be assigned to her area.
By deegee
September 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this
I wonder what our demographics would look like if the income tax exemption for dependent children disappeared? Why do people pay less in taxes for each child they produce? Shouldn’t they pay more? I think some of us are paying too much so that others can reproduce beyond their means. Take away the subsidies for schools, school buses, school lunches, juvenile detention and drug and alcohol rehab and let the free market prevail.
By Bosch
September 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
Political Foreskin, “Isn’t it funny how radical christianists see radical islamists as the great satan, and radical islamists see radical christianists as the great satan. That’s because they are equivalent. We ultimately become that which we most despise.”
I thought that same thought the other night when Bush was giving his speech on TV. Do you think the radical islamists make video tapes and distribute it around and all the watchers think of him as the evil one the same as we think of OBL? It’s the same propoganda - different guy telling the story.
By Bosch
September 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
Shut up deegee! I need that tax break! Just kidding (but seriously, I do).
Our demographics would look like they are in Europe - Europeans having less children, Islamist immigrants having more children - guess where that’s going?
By DemDems4Ever
September 18, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Equating Christianity to Radical Islam is insane, simple as that.
By deegee
September 18, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
I don’t agree, Bosch. Right now the government operates under a program of affordable families. If you take away the tax deduction you will have a greater number of families with a higher reported income and they will be paying more in taxes. Maybe some folks will take that into consideration before reproducing.
If you take away the government subsidies for education and juvenile social services and make people pay as they go for their children, then the free market will be allowed to work.
By Political Foreskin
September 18, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
New Beatitude: Blessed are those who become that which they most despise; 4 we may not become part of the whole without an infinity of redundant dunces.
Captain Kirk stuck his thumb in his eye and pulled out aplomb when he split an infinitive, “To boldly go…”. Only slightly less famous is good-boy Neil Armstrong’s gaff “One small step for man”.
The Iraq War is stalemated on every one of it’s four fronts.
Even though we cant leave iraq, it’s still impossible to predict Iraqi behavior. They seem to have old alliances with cross border tribes in every possible direction.
We are in the midst of a hornets nest that could go killer-bee at any second.
New Radical Revisionist Vision about Vishnu: History proves that when Islam recruits new members or when Christianity recruits new members the effect on those who refuse to be converted are equivalent. Thus the 2 religions themselves possess equivalency.
By Shheeet
September 18, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
I thought Atlanta and GA housing was already considered cheap. Isn’t that why the population of the metro has spread to about 5 million with over half not born or raised in Atlanta?
I don’t live in Atlanta, but just curious since all I hear is “moving to Atlanta this, and moving to Atlanta that”. Why so many foreclosures for a place that is supposed to be some type of haven/mecca?
By In other words
September 18, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this
Equating Islam to Radical Christianity is insane, simple as that.
By Arlington,VA Shrink
September 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
Dusty falls into one of the categories that typify right wing authoritarians. There are 3 categories. The first are the folowers. Dusty fits into this group. These personalities tend to readily submit to authority. In religious matters they tend to be fundamentalists and because authorities have already determined what is right and wrong for them they reject moral relativism. They embrace the ideal of the “traditional” family with the woman serving as child rearer and subservient wife. They are intolerant of criticism of their authorities because they believe that the authority is unassailably correct. Rather than feeling vulnerable in the presence of powerful authorities they feel safer. For example, they are not troubled by government surveillance of citizens because they think only wrongdoers need be bothered by such intrusions. Their decision to submit to a particular authority is determined by their personal views and they will find others to blame for their authority figure’s failures. Targets of right wing authoritarian followers are typically people percieved to be unconventional. Most modern research finds that authoritarian right wing follwers behaviors are motivated by fear and encouraged by remarkable self rightousness, which sometimes frees their aggressive impulses. They believe themselves to be the countries true patriots. Listed below are a few examples that provide insight into a person such as Dusty. They are not intended to be negative; rather they are traits that right wing authoritarian followers believe to be positive. . They have no tolerance for persons other than those of a like mind. . Their thinking is most likely based on what authorities have told them rather than their own critical judgements, which results in their beliefs being filled with inconsistencies. . They harbor double standards and hypocrisies. . They are hostile toward so many minorities that they seem to be equal opportunity bigots, yet they are generally unaware of their prejudices. . They see the world as a scary and dangerous place with society on the brink of self destruction from evil and violence, and when their fear conflicts with their self rightousness they appoint themselves guardians of public morality or God’s designated hitters. . They think of themselves as far more moral and upstanding than others..a self deception aided by their religiosity. Many are “born again” with an ability to evaporate guilt through the security blanket of confession and the idea that they are saved.
Anyway after observing this blog for a couple of days and at the risk of doing a Bill Frist, I must say that it was relatively easy to see that Dusty possesses a right wing authoritarian follower personality profile
By Bosch
September 18, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
deegee, Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, sometimes people don’t just “decide” to have or not to have children.
Children are not things you purchase on a shelf, and yes, there are abuses in the system, but it just isn’t that idealistic.
By hypocrites
September 18, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw@ 11:57 My argument is not based in any way on the assumption that all wealth is held by the government. Although if one assumes that the government is comprised and controlled solely of the individuals who are governed, then assuming that all wealth is in the hands of the government and by extension the individuals doesn’t really sound like a bad idea. Nonetheless, I understand what you mean, and you are just plain wrong.
Government tax breaks are every bit as much a “subsidy” as the government handing out checks to big oil companies, welfare queens, or flying astronauts to the moon. Assuming the government is going to tax the population at some level of income or expenditures, lets say 10%. There is no difference if the government selects some of the individuals that are being taxed on any given basis (ie their decision to buy a home with a mortgage) and agrees not to accept say 5% of their taxes or simply writes them a check at the end of the year for an amount worth 5% of their tax obligation. Tax breaks and subsidies achieve the same end and rest upon the same assumptions. The government wants to pay for something to achieve some desired end. Both subsidies and tax breaks rest upon the same assumption that government must tax folks. If you think otherwise, I have some real estate in New York that I would like for you to take a look at.
By In other other words
September 18, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Equating Hindus to Radical Shintoism is insane, simple as that.
By just wondering
September 18, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this
Is Radical Baptism a near drowning?
By Schoolboy
September 18, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
Fools! Government is the least effective and most expensive solution to any problem. The free market works. When all these overextended financial morons get foreclosed on, the banks will own a huge glut of homes. They will in turn sell these homes for well under their previous market values. Hmmm. I’d call that affordable. Those who are truly qualified to pursue the American Dream (they have saved some money and have actually held a real job) will have a greater opportunity than ever before. This is how the free market works. Keep the feds hands from reaching further into the pockets of those hard working folks who have made responsible decisions. They can’t bear much more; and should not have to. It’s called accountability and solving your owm problems. Get over it.
By terri
September 18, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
BLACK REPULICANS WAKE UP! TAVIS SMILEY GAVE A PLATFORM FOR THE REP AND DEM CANDIDATES TO DISCUSS SOME IMPORTANT ISSUES! NONE OF THE FRONT RUNNING REP SHOWED UP! WHAT DOES THAT SAY!!! WAKE UP! VOTE DEMOCRAT! REPUBLICANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT OUR ISSUES!
By Baseball fan
September 18, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this
Shrink, God’s designated hitters!!!!
Man that is good stuff. And dead on about sister Dusty.
BTW I hate that crap. The most glorious game ever invented should be played nine on nine. If someone has hands of steel and are a liability defensively, they should be banned from batting!
BAN THE DH!
By Belgium
September 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
What will be the Thinking Right take on signing Byron Leftwich?
By Beer snob
September 18, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Belgium, Love your beers! Especially the ones from those monkasteries! Now, those were some real Christians!
By Shane
September 18, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
Holding the good liberals back when the opportunity arises to expand government and hide the costs — the opportunity being the fallout from the subprime lending foreclosures — is a bit like turning the lead cow in a stampede or quelling panic on Wall Street: More than likely, a trampling will precede sanity.
What? Do you even read the drivel you write? The democrats are out-of-control spenders? What country have you been living in for the past 7 years? The republicans have spent us into oblivion for the past 7 years and Bush hasn’t done a damn thing to stop it. Just keep writing those republican checks - the Chinese will back it up. right?
And again, I must say to you Wooten, you are a useless prick. Can’t wait for you to retire you, blowhard republican mouthpiece.
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Dear Arlington Virginia shrink @ 3:30
Thank you for the analysis. It took me about one minute to do yours. You have what is known as a “quack personality”. A liberal “quack” at that. Enjoy the charade..
By terri
September 18, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
my anus hurts
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
What about the case against Israel, for waging aggressive war against Lebanon, bombin civilian infrastructure, for violating syrian air space, for possession of illegal american supplied nuclear weapons, including submarine launchable nuclear tipped cruise missles, and for planning an air attack against Iran from secret air bases in Kurd land Iraq, and from American controlled air bases in Afghanistan? Why are the Arabs always painted as the bad guys, and the israelis as the good guys when clearly they are not?
By Shane
September 18, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
And Dusty falls right into his proposed personality type…
Way to go dumbass.
By Robert6
September 18, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
Quack personality or not…Shrink painted a very accurate portrait of you Dusty. All one has to do to validate it is read your posts. Shrink nailed you.
By Thomas Paine
September 18, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this
I bet crusty Dusty didn’t think Bill Frist was a “quack personality” when he made a fool of himself with his evaluation of Terri Shiavo.
By Ditto
September 18, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
That 4:37. She makes most of us barf.
By AG
September 18, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this
We have a 9 trillion dollar deficit with 70% of it acrued under Reagan, Bush, and Bush and you idiot Republicans have the unmitigated gall to accuse Democrats of being big spenders.
By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms
September 18, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
I agree terri, vote obama or vote buchannon or do not vote at all!
By Jackie
September 18, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
If we eliminate subsidies for “affordable” housing, do we eliminate the tax break given by the government for interest expense? Can’t have it both ways. Food, clothing and shelter are life’s necessities and most folks will go to extraordinary means to obtain those items. Isn’t it wonderful how the neo-cons espouse these draconian “solutions”, yet, have no compunction in giving $10 Billion dollars per month to the “war effort.” Take away from Americans and give to the Iraqis out of guilt or shame. Are these actions in the name of freeing the Iraqis from Saddam or imposing our will on their oil?
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
I tell you. This blog is down right entertaining. It ought to be moved to the Gwinnett County Fair in with the side shows. It is so freaky.
bosch declares that Osama and Bush are putting out the same message.(When did Bush say we should all convert to Islam?)
Our anti-war protestor wants to tell me how to hate, hate, hate.
Mid-south Phil says I’m OK but forgets to mention his “morality issue” with Obama and the use of cocaine.
Curious Observer, blogging from his nursing home, wants to put me in one.(One of my sons thought that was a “knee slapper”!) Curious, do you share a room with getalife?
Shrink, (the Quack), says I am an authoritarian figure. YES SIR!! Not only do I salute the flag, I also VOTE. Sometimes I even get a little teary eyed singing the “Star Spangled Banner” at ball games, but I am working on that.
And shhh…. I actually support the elected President of the USA and know he’s fighting terrorism.
You got me, libs. I’m GUILTY!
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
Brilliant and incisive rebuttal, Dusty. Way to tear up an argument. “You’re a Liberal!!!” is good confirmation that you do indeed fit the bill. The only aspect of your personality not included in that description is “just plain dim”.
All mudslinging aside, read that post again. You’re trapped in a self-made scary world, clinging to an idiot president. It’s not necessary. It’s not reality. But I suppose your inability to consider other ideas makes you unable to do so, and escape the Imaginary Land of GWB.
By @@
September 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this
I always liked Margaret Thatcher’s take on economic policy…
“Economics are the method, but the object is to change the soul.”
Didn’t work too good, did it?
Maybe it followed too soon on the heels of LBJ’s Great Society?
By Debora
September 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
The sun is surely flying into the earth! I agree whole-heartedly with Wooten on a subject.
I had so save and buy my house. I have to pay the mortgage. Why should I have to pay for yours?
Owning a home is dream achieved by MUCH hard work. Not an entitlement to living in America.
By Robert6
September 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
Dusty…I do believe that the profile of you is more closely related to being an authority figure butt kiissing lemming. Obviously you are no kind of authority figure. A follower Dust brain. And your posts validate every single characteristic in that profile. Especially the part about not having a thought not dictated to you by said authority figure. Now be a good little (in your case big) subservient wife and go cook your husband his dinner. He will probably be really hungry when he gets home from seeing his girlfriend tonight.
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
Thomas Paine 4:40
Bill Frist is a surgeon who now knows not to diagnose a case from a video, nothing more.
Ditto 4:41
I have made a liberal “barf”? I thought that was the lib way of posting.
By Bill Frist, Doctor and Catkiller
September 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Wooten Blog,
I have examined videotape of Miss Dusty, and believe that I have detected signs of sentient consciousness beneath her persistent, vegetative exterior. If you will notice at 3 minutes 14 seconds of the tape, Dusty is clearly following the balloon with her gaze. And at 4 minutes 19 seconds, her action is akin to smiling when President Bush speaks on the television in her room. Although this episode may in fact be nothing more than her passing gas, or as she used to call it before her tragic accident, sharing her opinion.
Clearly, this woman Dusty is every bit as aware and intelligent as Terri Schiavo.
By Bobo
September 18, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this
Dusty, can’t you find anything on your boob tube with Dick Cheney, GW, or some shyster preacher as guests to mast@rbate to? I bet you orgasm at the sight Wylie Jackson Jr. or T.D. Jakes.
Folks I almost did barf when doing this post. Just the thought of Dusty doing anything sexual is enough to induce uncontrollable vomiting.
By Shane
September 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Is anyone else wondering when the guys in suits with sunglasses and little ear-dongles are gonna come knocking at your door for expressing your opinions online? I’ve already had that happen to a friend of mine; he was reading something he printed off from an email that had the numbers “9-11” on it and some douchebag at the coffee shop where he was reading at the time called the FBI on him. They showed up at his house a day or two later, and when he wasn’t there they showed up at his work and escorted him outside and searched his car and interrogated him for all of about 30 minutes before they figured out that he was obviously not a threat. I know people say, “well, if you’ve got nothing to hide then it’s all ok, right?” NO, it’s not you little prick. I’d love to see what I could dig up on you (or what i could just flat make-up, which seems to be occurring on an unimaginable scale a this point) if I were allowed free license to search your house and car. “ah, porn on your computer, I see, well, looks like this girl could be under-age - we’re gonna have to book ya on suspicion of child porn - and let’s see how a jury will decide that one for ya” - which, coincidentally is how my brother in law wound up incarcerated - he’s still in jail a year and a half later for porn on his computer that he didn’t create, distribute or even intentionally download - and you know what? Even if he did download it, it’s not like he made the damn video - that’d be like incarcerating someone for watching a girls gone wild video that wound up having some underage girls in it - WTF people? - or how about “well, we found some pot in your kids bedroom and we’ll be charging you with possession, distribution, and contributing to the delinquincy of a minor - oh, and we’re gonna seize all of your property too” or, maybe you smoke a little doob every once in a while? huh, maybe? You’re definitely a threat to our way of life because of that right? You might as well be Osama mother-f’in Bin Laden if you smoke a little, right? Or maybe you’ve got some old prescriptions lieing around, huh? could be xtc, right? “we’ll have to test this back at the station, oh and we’ll need to incarcerate you until we get the results back, just to be sure you don’t take off on us” - and hell, what if you get the cop who’s got a tiny dick and too much to prove (which, I’ve also seen happen to completely normal, decent individuals on far too many occasions) The point is simple - We are already living in a velvet cage of our own construction (well, maybe our parents and grandparents built it, but we live in it now) and the walls are starting to close in a little too tightly for me to feel comfortable even expressing myself online (or at a bar, or on the street, or in a restaurant, or on the bus, or… well, anywhere really). granted, I still do, but it’s a moderated (if you can believe that) version that does nothing to satisfy my desire to express fully my wrath and hatred of the current idiocracy in this country.
It just feels like even the anonymity of the internet isn’t enough to allow people to say what they really want anymore. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves. Hopefully they’ll wake up and zombie Ben Franklin and zombie George Washington will come eat the brains of all the bad neocons.
Go on, write something really incendiary and juicy and see how long it takes for the dudes in suits to show up at your front door. I’m sure the AJC will provide the originating IP address to the feds if asked (which, for all you lo-tech folks out there, means that they can track down the exact computer you posted from, or at the very least the building the computer was in, which is very common in office buildings and what not, for those of you posting from work - imagine that - the feds come in looking for you at work - I’m sure that would go over well at the water-cooler, eh?)- and i’m equally sure that some a-hole with too much free time and a hard-on for idiot Americuhn justice will report you.
no more freedom… only freedumb
Viva la prostitution
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this
Dusty, leave the saluting to actual military folk. Etiquette for civilians (which you are, despite your outlandish fantasies) is to place their hand over their heart. If you respect our troops so much, respect their special privilege.
And paying proper respect to the flag, voting, or feeling patriotism doesn’t make one an authoritarian follower. Having one’s lips connected to the rear of an authority figure—-no matter how stupid said figure—-is what makes you an authoritarian follower. You’ve mistaken a personality disorder for being a good citizen.
P.S. Bill Frist is an idiot Senator if he had to learn not to diagnose from a videotape. Where’d he go to med school, Dusty U.?
By Dusty
September 18, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
Oh my goodness, its Robert 6,
We have here another lib with a mystic ball to read fortunes.
Actually Robert6, you’d be better at reading tea leaves. Madame Grezmypalm on Buford Highway has an opening. Why don’t you apply?
To the rest of you, have a pleasant evening. I’m going to relax after a long day and enjoy my family and home (with the mortgage long paid off). Hope you will do the same.
By jbmlaw
September 18, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this
Dear Hypocrites @ 3:47, if your argument assumes that people own their own wealth, the government’s failure to seize that wealth is in no way a “subsidy.” A subsidy arises only when the government steals from one to give to another. Failure to steal cannot constitute a subsidy.
Only if you assume all wealth is Leviathan’s can you derive a subsidy from a failure to take (as Leviathan merely allows its serfs to keep whatever it deems desirable.).
By Captain Freedom
September 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
THE Captain is appalled at the cruelty the liberal weenies have exhibited towards Sister Dusty. Granted, she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but that is no reason to make her cry and run away.
For shame, hater liberal people.
By DavidD
September 18, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this
Bobo PUHLEEZE!!! You just made me puke all over my new laptop. Lost a triple whopper and king size fries to boot.
By Shane
September 18, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
The captain should realize that it’s people like Dusty that have destroyed our country.
oh, and who says we’re liberals anyways? Was that meant to be a derogatory slur (as it most commonly is these days)? Cuz I’m a staunch conservative and one thing that peeves me more than anything is people who call themselves conservative who can even begin to support the current W regime - or really, who ever supported the current regime; You are not a conservative. You are a disgrace to conservatism. Stop slandering the rest of us you pricks.
Dusty hates freedom.
There I said it.
By Aquagirl
September 18, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this
The Captain calls truce. The psychiatric intervention has failed to help Dusty. I obey the Captain as any Right Thinking American should.
But not before saying I’m glad to have been here for best post of the day @ 5:29. Bwah!
By hypocrites
September 18, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
jbmlaw Get your head out of Hobbes’ rear and start thinking about things from a more realistic view of the world. Regardless of what you assume about who “owns” wealth, there is a baseline assumption in the real world that the government is going to tax folks in some fashion. If the government takes from my wealth, but not the next guy’s wealth for whatever reason, then it has essentially the same effect as a subsidy. It is irrelevant what you feel about whether the government is stealing something. It is still a subsidy.
The problem with you neocons and conservatives is that you are still fighting ideologies from the last century while the rest of us have moved on with progressive ideas to address problems in today’s America. You keep up the good fight against Karl Marx.
By Political Foreskin
September 19, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
Respect and Revere Holy Islam! Have you hugged a Mullah today?
Have you kissed a caliph today? Hummed a Hymn with an Imam?
Unless we prove to our Islamic friends that we respect and revere their religion and ensure their right to practice it, then we are finished, obviously.
Look what they’re willing to do. Nuke Israel? Nuke us? I hope that I’ll feel better when they elicit a JFK (full-retaliatory-response) from us.
Imagine if we only prayed for our enemies…..”General, radar has picked up three Hail Mary’s coming in over the Bering Sraits….”
“That’s impossible. It’s a false alarm or a drill. Remember last week when Osama Sneezed and we picked up the chorus of “Allah bless you?”
“No sir, this is no drill. We have 99 percent reliability on these three Hail Marys.”
“Damn it. What kind of people are these Moslems, anyway? We just won a big trade agreement with china and they barely got anything. So they pray for us?”
“We need to respond, sir”.
“General Franks, what would you do?”
“Uh, I’d have to go with a full retaliatory rosary right away, no delay, sir”.
“A full retalia……you lunatic! next you’ll be sending a high mass. Forget it. I’m not going to be the one to escalate this. I’ll approve a “glory be” just to see what happens. Otherwise we stand down.”
“But sir….”
“You have my vespers, General Franks.+