Thinking Right

By Captain Freedom

September 17, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

The rationale is unimportant. Our Leader has settled upon permanent war, and it is up to True Believing Right Thinkers to support Him without question.

It is the Right Thing to do.

God said it. Our Bush heard it. I believe. Case closed.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Bush said it was about oil in his speech last week, confirming the success of the surge, which Wooten quoted profusely.

Greenspan and Newt both now have confirmed bush’s confirmation (and benediction).

It’s a retro admission to the petro mission.

The petro mission could not be possible without Rumsfeld refusing to attack Osama Bin Laden when Bush ordered him to do so in 2002. Hitler would have hanged Rumsfeld for that. Ditto Sherman. Umlaut Attilla. Colon Powell.

By Producer

September 17, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

If the primary reason was for oil, why aren’t our tankers lined up under the nozzle for the free Iraqi oil? And why is oil $80 per barrel? If it was for oil shouldn’t our costs be much. much less?

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

Why is oil 80$ a barrel? Because the free market, with everything to lose, gets a little fear going when there’s war in the trade routes.

‘muff said.

By DebbieDoRight

September 17, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

God said it. Our Bush heard it. I believe. Case closed.

LMAO!! Too funny!!!

By Redneck Convert

September 17, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

Well, the good news is the Revrend Jim Bob Buice is about to get out on parole. He told Joe Bill his cell mate Bubba is all teary and sad about it. Anyway, he never should of went to prison in the first place. All he done was take off his clothes so they wouldn’t get dirty and crawl into the bushes to rescue that poor nekkid boy when along comes the cops and arrested him.

Anyway, some of us want the Rev. Jim Bob to come back and pastor the Church of Holiness. Instead of the Rev. Postlewaite. The Rev. Postlewaite is OK, but he keeps talking about forgiving your neybors including libruls and won’t even fill out a ballot to give us so we know which canadates is librul like the Rev. Jim Bob done. But my buddy Jim Earl says the Rev. Jim Bob will be on some kind of state list and can’t be around kids when he gets out. Some of us is in favor of making the church adults only so the Rev. Jim Bob can come back.

I never seen the like. A heathen librul can get by with everything. But let a godly Republican go after some teenage pages or tap the shoes of another guy in a public restroom or get caught wearing a diaper in front of a Lady of the Evening and he gets his name all over the front page. The same for poor Rev. Jim Bob. I don’t know what happened to Law and Order in this country.

Anyway, I’m sorry to see this Greenspan has turned into a librul. Saying the war is about oil. Everybody knows My President went to war in Iraq because this Saddam guy was setting on all kinds of A-bombs and was going to fly them over here and was helping out the towel heads that run planes into them buildings in NYC. And then I heard Greenspan saying Clinton was the smartest president he knowed and My President was the dumbest. Well, if that ain’t librul I don’t know what is. It just goes to show you can’t trust nobody oncet they get out of office. A fine fellow like that ruining his life and repetition by getting brainwashed.

Anyway, amen to what Wooten says about the Republicans needing to cut spending. We need to cut this Peach Care and welfare and about everything else that hands out my hard earned tax money like its candy on Halloween. If we don’t we are going to become a commie country. Its pretty hard to see how jbmlaw and Sister Dusty is going to be able to afford country club memberships and fine cars and big houses if they are going to be taxed to pay for the care of the trash that stays in this state. If we keep cutting the budget we could drive all of Those People out and maybe get our two House seats back to boot.

Anyway, I already got calls for early runs to restock the bars that the Baptists cleaned out yesterday. Its going to be a hard day for me. So I’ll just wish all of you a good day.

By DebbieDoRight

September 17, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Greenspan’s no fool. Gates is just another Dumbya “yes man” from a long line of “yes men”.

By Rod

September 17, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Of course Wooten doesn’t want our soldiers to be able to spend some time at home with their families, before having to go back to Iraq to face possible death.

Wooten, like Bush, thinks US Soldiers are a dispensable asset that doesn’t matter.

Tell me, where are we storing all of the weapons of mass destruction we found?

By Sam B.

September 17, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Not mentioned is the editorial in today’s AJC by the soldiers on site in Iraq. What they have to say is what we all should be hearing and heeding!!!!

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

It’s sad when Greenspan knows more about the war than the administration, or at least is willing to say it publically.

“trying to develop weapons of mass destruction, certainly when we went in, in 1991.”

Ummm……….does anyone but me see a problem with that statement?

“the war was launched for the reasons President Bush stated in response to the attack on this country”

Jim, the problem with that is the people responsible for attacking our country were NOT in Iraq during the time.

Bush’s biggest mistake is that he attacked Iraq KNOWING there were no WMDs. He wanted control of the oil in the region and to get rid of Saddam Hussein, thinking that if he did, he would have that control.

What he didn’t account for, or didn’t listen to the experts who told him this, was that in getting rid of Saddam, all hell would break loose in Iraq which, in turn would completely destablize the region (ta da! which it has). So, actually, BUSH was the one who has destablized the region.

In other words, he choose to get rid of the evil dictator, and in turn has allowed the real evil one to roam the countryside of Afghanistan and Pakistan building up forces that are actually dangerous to US.

I have a solution to the oil/energy problem: free liposuction to all morbidly obese, or hell, slightly obese people. We have enough oil stored in the bodies of Americans to run our cars, trucks, and planes for centuries - and find a way to make fuel out of garbage, we have plenty of that as well.

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I have no serious dispute with the broader Greenspan analysis. I suppose that, if you want to sell books, you must have a catchy line. By offering something like the Drudge “oil” quote – which one must admit sounded a bit bizarre, standing along - you can sell a lot of books to moonbats; if any of them read it, they may buy in to the larger arguments, which would make the entire effort worthwhile.

The “swapped principle for power” unifies nicely most of the true sins of the republicans. The many acts of renunciation of conservative principles – the steel quotas, the agriculture bill, the education bill, earmarks generally, coddling Putin, working through international groups on Iran and North Korea – served the country badly, and damaged the republicans greatly. Only (1) the tax cuts that brought the country out of recession, (2) the wars against the Islamists, and (3) the judicial appointments (notably of Roberts and Alito) can be assessed as faithful to conservatism.

By Sam B.

September 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Significan in this whole issue , too,: that before he invaded, W said he had instructions/permission/endorsement from G-D. THis should be looked at with the same skepticism as the lady who made a bundle of $$$$$ [though probably not as much as Halliburton] because she said she saw and spoke to the Virgin Mary on a regular basis.

By @@

September 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

So Jim….Greenspan wants to revisit the past? Seems like he didn’t go back far enough. Why are we still dependent on Middle Eastern oil?

Partly because environmentalists wouldn’t let us go domestic….. Wouldn’t let us go nuclear on energy. Just wouldn’t let us go….

Get ready to topple the newest regime.

The Global Warming Tax Scam Kicks In

See ‘ya Jim. I’ve gotta tank of gas to burn. It usually takes me a month to do so. I’ve been conserving for 20 years…just doing my part and saving money at the same time.

By catlady

September 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

The war has not been about FREE or CHEAP oil. Then how could Big Oil make their monstrous profits? How could we get more ecologically sensitive areas opento oil if not for this emergency? Besides, as Mr. Wooten noted a few days ago, we don’t want to betray our good friends, the Iraqi’s, by expecting something in return from them. for our billions and our destroyed lives and our destroyed trust in our government! Meanwhile, they sit and laugh at us and know we will emerge weaker and weaker because of this war and its effect on us.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Allah is my co-pilot. Test your Jihadist skills here.

Q: How many blades can fit on the head of a disposable razor?

(1) Only infidels shave.

(2) Only infidel’s wives shave.

(3) Allah the above

(4) 12

By Peter

September 17, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Wow what a concept, a guy who actually speaks the truth, Mr Greenspan, a guy we trusted to lead us on the monetary front, has spoken about our made up war.

Well if we had actually went after Bin Laden, I would have thought we were doing the right thing.

I guess Greenspan see the same thing most Americans are coming to Grips with…….. We Invaded, the Rich are getting Richer, and all the President’s men, have conned us into believing that we actually went to WAR for a purpose other than control the Oil !!!!!!

Good Job Whooten for pointing out how we have been conned by this Administration, and surely we do not want this type of thing to happen in OUR State as well !!!!!!!!!

By George W. Bush

September 17, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

RESUME

GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20520

WORK HISTORY:

Law Enforcement

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been “lost” and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL.

I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

Oil Industry:

I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975.

I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Sports:

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

Public Office

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.

Governor of Texas

With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

Accomplishments:

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

President of the United States:

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

Accomplishments:

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My “poorest millionaire,” Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

I am the all-time U.S . and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector’s access to U.S. “prisoners of war” detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear “Tactical Bunker Buster,”a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

Education

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.

I was a cheerleader.

Records and References:

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

If granted this job at McDonalds, I do so swear not to put salt in any Policeofficer’s hamburger. BTW, what’s salt?

By Curious Observer

September 17, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

The war with Iraq wasn’t about oil. Rather, it was a cynical and preemptive effort to capitalize on the irrational fears of Americans after 9/11 and to assure Republican reelection. And it worked—for 2004, at least. Republicans preened, boasting of their anti-terror credentials and pointing to Democrats as weak on defense. Even the totally incompetent George W. Bush looked good in comparison to the alternative that the Republicans made stupid American voters envision.

However, the political bill became due in 2006, and it will become even more so in 2008. Even the infamous soccer moms, as they filled up their SUVs @$3 per gallon, have begun to see how phony the war’s pretext was and how incompetently the war has been fought. The failure to plan for a post-war occupation and even to secure ammunition dumps in the rush to proclaim “Mission Accomplished” stands out like a crack w** in a beauty pageant.

Good luck, neocons. You will need it once Hillary starts eyeing your paychecks. You got your 2004 reelection—at the cost of being in the political wilderness for the next 20 years.

By RealRepublican

September 17, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

I see alot of folks on this blog claiming to be Republicans and conservatives. But I have to see even one Goldwater conservative in the whole lot.

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

@@, I can sympathize with what you said, I think conservation is one of the biggest problems with us here. I’m perfectly willing to give up driving less, but not everybody else is. Haven’t you read the blog entries here where people believe they shouldn’t have to give up their lifestyle?

I conserve too, I walk alot of places that most people don’t think twice about hopping in their car and driving a mile or two to get there.

I think THAT is the core of the issue for environmentalists, at least in my opinion - it’s not just a one problem, one solution kind of thing - drilling domestically for oil, it will take so much more - for example, money for bike trails, better public transportation, education, alternative fuels, etc.

Another problem is public perception of things like what I mentioned above.

By ALERT!!!!! Comedy Thief

September 17, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush’s Resume

Libs on the cheap.

By Dennis

September 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes, “My oft-stated believe is, of course, that the war was launched for the reasons President Bush stated in response to the attack on this country. But that is a debate pundits and historians will have for decades to come. It won’t be resolved here today.”

Good reporters do good research. Mr. Wooten hasn’t done either.

May I suggest two books to begin with, “Resource Wars” and “Blood for Oil, both by Michael T. Klare.

Add to that (this one can be found on the net) “The Rip-off of Iraq’s Oil Wealth” by Greg Muttitt, www.carbonweb.org

In face of all the evidence (and there’s plenty of it) to the contrary, anyone who still believes that this war is not about oil is either ignorant or has led, and still leads, a sheltered life.

Or maybe is a part of the propaganda machine that misinforms Americans intentionlly.

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

How did you score on your FATahS?

Remake of test:

The Three Infidels

Question: If an infidel refuses the order to convert to Islam, you should,

(1) Slap him.

(2) Poke his eyes with middle/index fingers

(3) Take a pair of plyers and drag him around by the nose.

(4) Use a saw on his scalp (look!)

(5) Play “Pop goes the weasel” and be sure there is no limburger cheese around.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

The only evidence we have that Iraq is about oil is the President’s speech last week to the nation, where he made his Retro Admission to the Petro Mission.

Retro Admission to the Petro Mission.

See how a writer with talent can galvanize any side of a debate?

Good, now tell me how to do it.

Just recall that Bush ordered his general to attack Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the summer of 2002, and that general refused. It was cheney’s general rumsfeld, who both conspired in a coup to oust the CIA from the offensive. That is treason. Hitler would have hanged the both of them. Ditto Sherman. Umlaut Xerxes. Colon Powell.

By deegee

September 17, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

I saw Greenspan this morning being interviewed by Matt Lauer. Greenspan is peeved over what he feels is a misrepresentation of his position. He says that Saddam had designs on taking over the Gulf of Hormuz and holding the western world hostage over oil distribution. Hence he had to be stopped before he progressed with his plan. Sounds good.

If that is the case then the US grossly missed the mark in strategery. IMHO Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush were convinced that Sadaam was such a nasty SOB that the Iraqis would do whatever we asked of them just for ridding them of Sadaam. Big mistake. I also believe that the Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush strategerists thought that the war would be over so quickly that no one on our side would notice that the WMDs that purportedly led us to invade Iraq just weren’t there. Moe, Larry and Curly couldn’t just come out and say that we were going to war in Iraq because of their apprehension over instability in oil distribution. They needed a smokescreen and they got it in WMDs. So the mission really was accomplished when Sadaam was run out of Baghdad. If they had just been honest about their mission in the first place and not fed us the line about spreading democracy in the middle east we could have gotten out of there a long time ago. The mission has changed from one US election cycle to the next. It looks like the mission du jour is to stay there til Larry and Curly are on to the next adventure.

Iraq will eventually be divided into distinct ethnic regions just as Yugoslavia was divided after the death of Tito. The only other alternative short of a long, protracted Middle East regional war is to impose another US-backed dictator in Iraq that can deal with Iran.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Swapping Principles or Swapping Wives?

Both can give you power. I’d prefer to swap wives if’n you be gettin’ a load of some of the soccor moms out there.

Swapping principles is good, dont get me wrong, but there’s a glass ceiling on the upside and a bottomless pit on the down side, so I have to go with the spin-the bottle games with wives, (less glass).

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Well, what do ya’ know? Liberals are jumping for joy because someone threw a little trash on their fire. At least, they think so.

Greenspan spoke the truth. If every gasoline pump in this nation was shut down, our economy would be GONE to you know where in a handbasket. Greenspan simply wanted to point out that obvious fact. Libs, who can’t figure out anything that doesn’t have a white flag with it, started jumping up and down for joy.

While the new lib festival (and despised anti-war protest) goes on, President Bush is quietly winning the war in Iraq. Iraqis can use their oil resources for their benefit and ours too. The money will no longer go to build palaces for Saddam.

Before some brainwashed lib says that a TEXAS oil company is getting an oil contract and all the $$$$$, please tell us if you expected the man at the produce stand to get an oil contract. And tell us how the produce man can supply his stand if there were no gasoline available.

By A Realist

September 17, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

**Anyone seen any pictures of them?

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

A faction promoted the invasion for oil, but mostly it was the pro israel fanatics seeking to use the american military to kill arabs. Check out this story on Alternet: Iraq Death Toll Rivals Rwanda Genocide, Cambodian Killing Fields By Joshua Holland, AlterNet A new study estimates that 1.2 million Iraqis have met violent deaths since Bush and Cheney chose to invade.

I hope war crimes tribunals will be held for all the neocons, both in AmeriKa and iSSrael.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Does it matter why we Iraq?

Why is a moot question.

Now the question is, “how long before the american people realize that we are trapped in Iraq 4ever, and can never leave, because sho ‘nuff, it is in our national interests to stay, in fact, if we leave, we are nearly assured of destruction because there are too many spring-loaded geo-traps in the rush the world will make to fill the vacuum we create when we leave. A wider, more costly war will surely result, sleeper cells or no sleeper cells.

The Kurds have been the key to Iraq all along. You simply only need to google the Kurds and weigh the evidence that their history provides for predicting the outcome in Iraq if we leave. They’ve played the same movie for 10K years, I mean, okay, I’ll give the ending away: The mullah’s butler did it and it ends with a shootout at the OPEC corral.

ps did i mention the part where Bush ordered Rumsfeld to attack OBL, but Rumsfeld refused because if we had captured OBL, then no invasion of Iraq would have been sellable.

It’s a google-proof, bluetooth truth.

By Van

September 17, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

A Realist,

You need to ask the Clinton’s that same question, they thought he had them also.

In fact, Billy Boy sent cruise missiles into Iraq because it WMD.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Does it matter why we Iraq?

Why is a moot question.

Now the question is, “how long before the american people realize that we are trapped in Iraq 4ever, and can never leave, because sho ‘nuff, it is in our national interests to stay, in fact, if we leave, we are nearly assured of destruction because there are too many spring-loaded geo-traps in the rush the world will make to fill the vacuum we create when we leave. A wider, more costly war will surely result, sleeper cells or no sleeper cells.

The Kurds have been the key to Iraq all along. You simply only need to google the Kurds and weigh the evidence that their history provides for predicting the outcome in Iraq if we leave. They’ve played the same movie for 10K years, I mean, okay, I’ll give the ending away: The mullah’s butler did it and it ends with a shootout at the OPEC corral.

ps did i mention the part where Bush ordered Rumsfeld to attack OBL, but Rumsfeld refused because if we had captured OBL, then no invasion of Iraq would have been sellable.

It’s a google-proof, bluetooth truth.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

The gop talking point on the occupation for oil is the WMD’s that never existed.

Gullible, idiotic, party over country, fake patriots like Jim and his ilk believe this garbage.

Being a loyal gop member is not patriotic but is pathetic. They could give a damn about our country.

Geez.

By A Realist

September 17, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Van - I see you fail to accept that the President has the final say. As usual, you want to pass the buck when it’s something bad. When something good happens, it’s all about Bush.

Accept it - Bush had final authority and wanted to attack unjustly.

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Yes, A Realist, The Chimp had final authority and wanted to attack regardless. That is why we must strip the office of the president of the power to make war. Put the chimp and all his successors on a very short leash.

By ron

September 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Saddam invaded Kuwait and usurped the oil there.Big Daddy George drove him out,but by his own admission,failed to go to Iraq to finish him off.George Jr. was elected by The Supreme Court to go to Iraq to right this wrong.The Supreme Court had no idea how brilliantly stupid George really was.

By One

September 17, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Anyone that believes this war in not about oil is sadly ignorant and uninformed!!!

What I am wondering about Jim, is why you haven’t ever discussed Jena 6? We’ve discussed ervything from Vick (over and over again) to OJ, But what about Jena 6? Do you all even know what Jena 6 is?

By jm

September 17, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

@@ at 9:14 - ask W’s little brother Jeb why he did not want any drilling off Florida’s coast lines. Ask the folks out in Colorado that are starting to complain about drilling. We are a nation of NIMBY’s.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Great news, Iraq has fired Blackwater and will try them for murdering Iraqis.

Now if they do the same for w, the troops can leave that hell hole.

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Captain Freedom,@ 8:30

Yet another message:

In God We Trust.

So hush your fuss.

Case closed.

By Lawmaker

September 17, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Yes, Jim, One poses a very good question! What about Jena 6? Or is that story too much for you?

Does anyone here know anything about Jena 6?

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Imagine the arrogance and ego of a soldier who would refuse an order to attack in a time of war as did our poor general rumsfeld in afghansitan against al queda in the summer of 2002.

Mussolini would have schtupped his wife for that. Ditto Heffner.

By GoodRead

September 17, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Since we are recommending books here today, let me recommend ‘Conservatives Without Conscience’. Picked it up at Barnes and Noble Saturday and can’t put it down. After you read it you will recognize some of the bloggers encountered here every day as those personality types.

By Renee

September 17, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Lawmaker = One

Be a man and post under one name.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

It is a personality type, sir. It’s 90 percent personality and the other half-mental.

By deegee

September 17, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Why aren’t we talking about this tidbit from Greenspan’s book?

“Of the presidents he worked with, Greenspan reserves his highest praise for Bill Clinton, whom he described in his book as a sponge for economic data who maintained “a consistent, disciplined focus on long-term economic growth.”

By getalife

September 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

I watched Greenspan on 60 minutes and he does not like being criticized.

Smart guy with no common sense. He knew of the lending scam but did nothing but keep interest rates very low to encourage it.

He said President Clinton was the smartest President and the Bushes, well we all know they are idiots. Said Nixon cussed like a sailor, was insane and racist. Typical gop if you ask me.

He predicts a recession and the spending should stop. He said cheney was wrong about deficits do not matter and that is a no brainer.

Anyhoo, the gop have screwed up the economy and can’t govern. Period.

Why in the hell would any American vote for a party that can’t govern?

Geez.

By Lawmaker

September 17, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Renee, be a woman (or whatever you are) and answer the question!!

Blokes, is that your answer to Jena 6? If so, WRONG!!! *90% and the other half………..isn’t half usually 50%………either way it’s still wrong!

This is sad!! And we wonder why our country is in the condition it is in!!!

By Freaking Joke

September 17, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

This blog is a JOKE!!! Jim, where are your balls? I see that not one person, esp. you Jim, can speak on this serious topic!! Yet, you will post about Vick time and time again!! You are a joke!!!!!

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Renee, why does anyone care who uses multiple IDs. A comment is a comment, and a poor comment is a poor comment.

Are you afraid that a troll might write war and peace and you would have lost your chance to hack it?

Just read the comments and reply or not, but mostly, judge comments on the comments and not by how annoyingly a troll makes up aliases.

It’s the body of work, not the title. Trust me. I could call myself, the king of the blog, but would that make it true? no.

I have to work hard for that title. So should you, as Renee or as @@, Destry, or Sell Strudel.

Just remember that Bush would have been our greatest president if his general had attacked al queda when Bush rightly ordered him to attack. Rumsfeld refused, and Cheney’s bequest, and OBL slipped away.

word

‘muff said.

By RCH

September 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Realist

My contention is that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq all this time. Those weapons were moved before the war to sites In Syria. (With the Knowledge and later approval by George Bush.)

By getalife

September 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Greenspan said Hillary is smart too and more than capable to be President.

The war with Iran will be another oil grab but China and Russia will protect their national interests.

When they spew national interests they are talking about oil.

By DebbieDoRight

September 17, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday he would recommend a veto of a Senate proposal that would give troops more rest between deployments in Iraq, branding it a dangerous “backdoor way” to draw down forces.

By AnotherGreenspanFactoid

September 17, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

“Of the presidents he worked with, Greenspan reserves his highest praise for Bill Clinton, whom he described in his book as a sponge for economic data who maintained “a consistent, disciplined focus on long-term economic growth.

or that Greenspan thought Clinton had an insatiable curiosity and concern about the world around him, per NBC news last night.

Certainly not something that could be said about our current President.

By ghost rider

September 17, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

By George W. Bush

September 17, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

RESUME

From McDonalds Headquarters…

Dear George….

We are sorry to inform you that the position of running the shake machine in our fine facility has been offered to ALBERTO GONZALES.

It was a close call, but there were so many wonderful candidates to choose from…Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett, Paul O’Neil, Tony Snow, the list goes on!

We will keep your resume on file for 3 months. If you haven’t heard from us by then we suggest applying at Burger King. Or perhaps asking daddy for help

Best of luck

By Tom

September 17, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Yes. War forever. The Immaculate Decider War President said so. Mission Accomplished. We ARE ENGAGED. Hey republicans! No more of this “WIDESTANCE” mess. You need to fornicate (see “Gingrich, Newt) with WOMEN. Otherwise you won’t have any sons to perpetuate the Great Leader’s DREAM of WORLD DOMINANCE.

By Tom

September 17, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Yes. War forever. The Immaculate Decider War President said so. Mission Accomplished. We ARE ENGAGED. Hey republicans! No more of this “WIDESTANCE” mess. You need to fornicate (see “Gingrich, Newt) with WOMEN. Otherwise you won’t have any sons to perpetuate the Great Leader’s DREAM of WORLD DOMINANCE.

By IDIOTS

September 17, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!!! AND I AM POSTING THIS UNDER ONE NAME, ONE NAME FOR ALL TO READ!!! KEEP YOUR HEADS UP YOUR AZZES AND IGNORE THE WORLD AROUND YOU IF IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR!! YOUR LIVES WILL BE AFFECTED WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT!!! I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BUNCH OF IGNORANT JIBBERISH AND YOU ALL JUST PROVED ME RIGHT!!! JIM, YOU AND THIS BLOG ARE A JOKE!!!

By Jena 6

September 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

It’s the tired old black white thang!

Nuff said!

By Noble Mathers

September 17, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Despite the fact you have a blog, Alan Greenspan is more qualified to say the war was about oil than you are to proclaim it was not.

He’s a whale and you’re a shrimp. Deal with it Wooten.

By DebbieDoRight

September 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Yet, you will post about Vick time and time again!! You are a joke!!!!!

FJ: If Jim’s bloggership numbers are down then he’ll pull out a racial, hotbed issue — until then he won’t. He does have some principles you know.

By Blokes Awash

September 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Bush has risen in the polls in the aftermath of his blockbuster retroactive admission to the radioactive mission: it wasn’t about nukes, it was about oil.

Thank you, Mr. Wooten, kind sir, for quoting Bush’s speech in which he made the retroactive admission about the radioactive emissions that weren’t there.

The only emissions in Iraq were from all them 72 virgins all them martyrs for Allah got when they held that great orgy in the sky…….ew.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

This is the troops mission

By jm

September 17, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

rch@11:18 - considering that Syria was probably the only arab country allied with Iran against Iraq in the Iran - Iraq War and that old man Assad, his son and the rest of the ruling party of Syria despised Saddam and had no use for him, what makes you think they would go out on a limb and let Saddam hide his weapons of mass destrution inside their borders.

Sorry, with the exception of the odd sarin gas shells which have turned up, the WMDs were destoyed after the first gulf War or existed only on paper. W the incompetent and Cheney owe major apologies to Hans Blix and the other UN weapons inspectors, who were right in their reports to the UN.

By Clouseau

September 17, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

By RCH

September 17, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Realist

My contention is that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq all this time. Those weapons were moved before the war to sites In Syria. (With the Knowledge and later approval by George Bush.)

So what evidence do you base your contention on RCH? Can you cite any hard evidence?

By Political Foreskin

September 17, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Dear bold pica typeset: You dont have to confine yourself to one ID, or all caps, or all quick cuts, or all compliments or all off topic.

You may write whatever you like as long as you dont make terrorist threats to kill another blogging american, like a poster did here dozens of times against my american person, (did I mention this is time of war?). Now these threats to my life took the form of terrorism on a blog and was aided and abbetted by the AJC and their subsidiary, the Wooten blog. They hosted the terrorism, in spite of repeated attempts to get them to stop. I cannot describe the fear I have for my life and my family’s life because federal wiretapping laws recently enacted by Bush clearly delineate what comprises fair game in the hunt for terrorists. It’s a coincidence that the law is this clear, it being war and all. (eyes roll).

This case is complicated and progressing slowly as I ponder the legal implications of the very definition of a sleeper cyber cell.

Oh, you’ll be kept informed.

By Captain Freedom

September 17, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

THE Captain hesitates to intrude upon the topic at hand, but He has such good news for True Believers that He cannot contain Himself.

We Authentic Common Sense Conservatives (lik Mr Wooten and Dusty, for instance) have long lamented the lack of a True Conservative Flag Bearer in the coming presidential campaign. We have tries mightily to gin up our enthusiasm for Don Vito Giuliani and the not-Christian Mormontologist Muff Romney, but out Hearts were not really in it. The emergence of Frederick of Hollywood made all our little soldiers stand at attention at first, but as it became apparent that he was nothing but a gasbag of Wilford Brimley bromides, our soldiers returned to barracks awaiting the True Call to Duty.

Brethren True Believers, our time has come, with a candidate who is truly worthy of following Our Leader in commanding Our Permanent War.

Gentlemen (and not-men persons), I give you Alan Keyes.

Mr Keyes is perfectly suited to run Our Nation, and his Right Thinking bona fides are beyond reproach. He also speaks directly to God, like Our Bush, so will be privileged to continue to receive the kind of inerrant guidance we have enjoyed over the past 7 years.

Now, I know what you are thinking. Mr Keye’s is a tad dark-complected, and this may make it difficult for Common Sense Stawlarts like Dusty and Redneck Convert to step up to the plate. But this is the core genius of it, and why I believe God and Karl Rove have called this Good Man to another campaign. Besides, once he is in office, I’m sure he will defer to those around him who are endowed with those qualities Jimmy the Greek and Rush Limbaugh find deficient in the darker NFL quarterbacks.

How better to counter the Mandingo-like charisma of Barack SADDAM Obama (just like Osame, but with a B to throw us off) than to run one of our own. The nambypamby Islamoliberals won’t know what hit their bleeding hearts. Since liberals are by definition unintelligent animals who hate America, they will be helpless in front of this onslaught of mojo.

Keyes in ‘08!!! It is the Right Thing to do.

By kill a leftie traitor and save the planet

September 17, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Watching the daily unhinged unremitting hate puked up here from the leftist abortion bucket escapees shows us all just how badly mutated what the fetid dogsqueeze that passes for liberal DNA is!

Liberalism is the sickest most psychotic evil ‘ism’ in the west since the long overdue, fabulous, almost complete demise of marxism late last century. A lethal - to freedom - noxious scum swilling crew of smelly rancid yellow streaked ex-acid head hippies, lemming like imbecilic shrill global whining USAF targets and the usual associated pinKKKo human scum … gimme gimme racist black racial spoils vermin, venal pandering hate America cut and run demoNcrats, worthless grasping greasy illegal mexican type leeches, ultra hypocritical braindead cocaine sniffing hollywood limousine liberal COCKroaches, mincing depraved queeralicious queers and d ikes, gutless wide eyed robotic leftist religious nutters, endlessly lying party of hate whoralicious drive by media troglodytes, genocidal towel head arab mohammedan fascists, backward third world hate America bigots … normal decent patriotic Americans have never needed concealed permits and a steady deadly accurate firing aim more urgently than today.

By deegee

September 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

This Greenspan observation can also explain the intransigence in Iraq. Apparently W never had to worry about the consequences of his actions before, so why start now?

“By contrast, Greenspan paints a picture of Bush as a man driven more by ideology and the desire to fulfill campaign promises made in 2000, incurious about the effects of his own economic policy, and an administration incapable of executing policy.”

By Captain Freedom

September 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

THE Captain realizes that the Keyes Candidacy may be a bit too much for our friend Time for More Meth, but we are willing to cut him out of the herd for the good of the team.

By deegee

September 17, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

How many more good friends can W endure?

“At the White House, the president has got to be muttering “some friend” when he pores over the new autobio from his old buddy Vicente Fox, Mexico’s former leader. That’s because Fox raps his border pal as stubborn and “the cockiest guy I have ever met in my life.”

By getalife

September 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

“kill a leftie traitor and save the planet”.

Where is my check Jim?

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Jena6 is the new girl working the intersection of Marietta Street and Jones Ave. She is wearing the red halter top, and short black skirt, with red heavily scuffed six inch high heals.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

‘A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.’

From the just published REAGAN DIARIES. The entry is dated May 17, 1986.

Geez.

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Many of our leftist friends have absorbed Mr. Greenspan’s belief that we will be going into recession late next year or early 2009. I wonder if that leads any to agree that renewal of the Bush tax cuts is essential (or will they sign on to the largest tax increase in the history of the world at a time the economy is dying?)

By Tess

September 17, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten - I heard all I needed to hear from Greenspan on 60 Minutes last night. When asked if Hillary would make a good president he said that it depended on what you were looking for in a leader. He said that his relationship with Mrs. Clinton during her husband’s presidency was only reasonably good and that he would be voting for the Republican candidate.

By Political Foreskin

September 17, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

There is one bit of strange evidence: Where was Saddam’s air force? Where was saddam’s helicopters? WHere was saddams SCUD missiles? Where was all the ammo in the several mega-depots that were scattered all over Iraq? Where did all that ordnance go?

It’s just possible that Saddam had the capability to build a radio shack level nuke and really cuse some mischief. ANyone who discounts that possibility is remembering that Iran and Iraq were in an arms race.

By DebbieDoRight

September 17, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Is Bush A Revolutionary? How To Tell

FIRST: A revolutionary movement tolerates no dissent because it already knows all the answers. There was one way, the party way and any who dared question or challenge that way — no matter how wise their counsel — were silenced. On issues such as Iraq, the repercussions of that approach will haunt this country for a generation.

Second, the administration valued unquestioned loyalty to its cause far more than it valued competence, which is another hallmark of a revolutionary movement. That misplaced emphasis explains how a small-time political hanger-on named Michael Brown ended up in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency when Hurricane Katrina hit. It explains how job applicants to serve in the Coalition Provisional Authority that ruled post-invasion Iraq were hired based on their sentiments about Roe v. Wade, not on their knowledge of Arab culture or experience in nation-building.

It explains how highly regarded career lawyers in the Justice Department were pushed aside by Bush officials to make room for “real Americans” with far less ability but unquestioned loyalty, a phenomenon that was undoubtedly repeated in many other federal agencies as well.

The result has been a government obsessed with winning elections but not with establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquility or any of the other roles laid out for it in the Constitution. And that government is reaping its just rewards.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/bookman/stories/2007/06/28/0628edbookman.html

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

My oft-stated believe is, *of course, * that the war was launched for the reasons President Bush stated in response to the attack on this country. But that is a debate pundits and historians will have for decades to come. It won’t be resolved here today.

I know I sometimes give Mr. Wooten a hard time for his “ironic” statements, but this one is so far beyond the realm of rational thought, that it leads me to conclude, what could possess a man to actually write those words?!

Even given the claptrap used later such as, “Iraq is the first battlefield in the war on terror” as plausible, who could possibly misconstrue, what I considered, the REAL reasons?

And they weren’t revenge against the attackers of 9/11, protecting our “friends” in the area (where the homicide bombers actually came from), finding our WMDs (all we had were the receipts), exporting democracy to the Middle East or defending our national security. And it seems like I’ve forgotten a couple of the other ever-changing “reasons”.

IMHO, it was to restore some of Daddy’s legacy (which didn’t even need to be done, as most agreed 41 did one helluva job there) and to ensure that the abundant Iraqi oil wasn’t held hostage.

Petrochemicals make the world go ‘round, and keeping the black gold flowing is, IMHO, a legitimate national security concern. But not enough for a go-it-alone, unprecedented, bungled invasion and occupation though.

But this incompetent commander-in-chief, lacking long term vision and clarity, and his henchmen, er, closest advisors and administration, spun the reasons for, and the “ease” of, the invasion/occupation to something a lot more palatable to the never served, blood thirsty (as long as it is some other American’s blood) “hawks”. And even more incredibly many of the “faithful” bought it, hook, line and sinker. And some of the more intransigent, like our esteemed, columnist, still do.

Or are so thoroughly embarrassed that they still pretend to.

By Political Foreskin

September 17, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

You’re asking tax cuts to save a war, not an economy, sir! It aint gonna happen.

We simply aint nevah evah gonna git outta Minaq.

ISAIDNEVER!!!!

By time for the hilarious non-terroristic truth

September 17, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Now these threats to my life took the form of terrorism on a blog and was aided and abbetted by the AJC and their subsidiary, the Wooten blog. They hosted the terrorism, in spite of repeated attempts to get them to stop. I cannot describe the fear I have for my life and my family’s life because federal wiretapping laws recently enacted by Bush clearly delineate what comprises fair game in the hunt for terrorists. It’s a coincidence that the law is this clear, it being war and all. (eyes roll).

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

LMFAO … LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO …

too funny!! too funny!!!

more paranoid sick lies from this anal nutjob who pukes up its own witless narcissistic deranged OVERTLY crude/SEXUAL bush hate/ conservative hate and other ludicrous drivel/ day after day after day after day!!

but you have your free speech rights - like anyone else on here!!!

“I cannot describe the fear I have for my life and my family’s life”

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ….

WHAT A FOOKING NUTTER!!! or a shameless sick and twisted LIAR LOOKING TO SCREW MONEY from an utterly worthless phoney law suit!!!

that paragraph superbly sums up my attitude to U and your ilk!!

aborted foreskin was NEVER directly or seriously physically threatened by ANYONE on here!!! all it ‘endured’ was witty, often sharp, even at times very sharp DISPOSABLE ‘comedic’ banter from (yours truly … and others), in good part aimed at trying to get it to shut the hell up and stop its execrable, utterly unfunny abjectly narcissistic constant unending stream of drivel.

aborted foreskin … folks on here have said they want to kill me too … crackpipe debbite turd did so last week … peeping tom has done so … so has rednekkks Nambla and several others.

I wouldn’t ever dream of suing them, nor quietly even complaining to Mr Wooten - which I have never done … what the hell for??? its JUST banter … with NO chance of ever being realised … if they do it again I’ll LMFAO like I did before …. its just an adult playground!!! and brattish mental midgets like U have NO business being here if you can’t take the harsh banter.

ITS JUST A FREAKING BLOG … you warped little wimp!!!

the hate on here … from the left is unremitting, its often poisonous and personally very brutal … I have fun wittily handing/mirroring it back …. as do others on my side!!

at the end of the day its just comedic imagery and playing with imagery and good old old fashioned “cartoon violence” … instantly foirgettable and about as seriously credible as a Klinton under oath!!

you are obsessed with this blog … more than anyone else … you literally live on here … and many folks, as has been posted countles times by others, detest your beyond puerile shiiite … your endless posting to yourself with countless moronic ids … your childish anally retentive vainglorious insistence on puking up your imbecilic “material”.

The cold harsh truth id NO ONE really CARES ABOUT YOU. let alone enough to want to kill you or physically harm you in any way … but winding you up on here is another matter … you must be mentally very very feeble if you resort to this ….

loudly and very sharply sneering at you is fabulous fun … its FREE SPEECH … and cry baby control freak sick little bullies like U always try and spoil the fun.

BUT THERE IS no INTENT to do anything other than wittily and robustly hammer you verbally on this blog!!!

you can sure hand out abuse - but like many lefties U simply can’t take it!!!

how can ANYONE of a normal sound mind be so terribly fearful of being attacked etc by a total complete stranger who has NO idea where U live, where U work etc … and has NEVER indicated the vaguest hint of ever wanting to know either!!! and where NOT THE TINIEST VAGUEST CREDIBLE HINT OF your ever being attacked or harmed etc has ever BEEN POSTED???!!!

I admit I do heartily DESPISE YOU AND YOUR “CHOSEN” CYBER PERSONA that’s my perfect right too… the more U keep posting the more I get to have fun verbally hammering U!!!

But after a year or so of verbally humiliating and goading U I have NOT in any way made any attempt to “find you” … now will I … its SIMPLY too much fun getting U to puke up COWARdLY witless bollocks like this!!

SAD LITTLE DRAMA QUEENS LIKE U are a bloggers dream come true!!!

THE WHOLE POINT OF A BLOG LIKE THIS is to allow a forum where the left and the right “go at each other” … no holds barred. And Mr Wooten has kindly allowed us all to have loads of fun HARMLESSLY scratching at and sneering at one another and our respective hated political targets - on both sides.

I seriously pity the likes of U … like they say if you cant stand the heat etc then GFY … no one makes you read/post on here!!!

By deegee

September 17, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

Now that was a hissy fit.

By Tax Max

September 17, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

I think there should be a pre-recession tax cut for households earning 100,000 or less. And a tax increase for those whose holdhold income is $1 million or more.

There’s nothing wrong with tax cuts targeted to benefit a certain group, or even a certain individual (just ask Sonny Puredoo).

By Redneck Convert

September 17, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Well, most of the time I’m all for whatever Captain Freedom says, but this time he’s gone too far. I looked him up and this Keyes guy is more than a little dark-complected. If he’s just dark-complected then I’m a Mexican. In fact he looks just like one of Those People and would never get the vote of god-fearing Christian conservatives. Like me and Sister Dusty, for instance.

Why do you think this state went Republican? Because we didn’t like these civil rights laws and other things that try to make Those People as good as good white Christian conservatives, that’s why. And now we have the one I counted on to lead the conservatives on this blog trying to put one of Those People in the White House. Us good Christian Georgians would have to secede again if this happened.

All I can beleive is, this Captain Freedom ain’t the real Captain Freedom. Just like this Time to Kill All Libruls and other names ain’t the real Time for the Truth.

Anyway, I ain’t been so disappointed since the Supreme Court ruled abortion is legal and Those People could go to school with the whites. I hope the real Captain Freedom comes on here and gives it to those phonys good. Whoever is pertending to be Captain Freedom has done ruined my lunch.

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

By getalife

September 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

“kill a leftie traitor and save the planet”.

Where is my check Jim?

see how incredibly easy it is to get the likes getaturd to bite real hard…

winding up the left is soooo incredibly easy!!!

that is obviously just a sardonic (mocking the lefties empty save the planet slogans) slogan aimed at goading certain hateful morons on here!! and clearly NOT a THREAT of any kind!!!

but cowardly bullies like getaturd sure can hand out their own visceral hate!! moral fascists like getaturd must always be systematically sneered at!!

By getalife

September 17, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Making terroristic threats is against the law and the AJC chose to break the law.

We have warned the AJC that they are liable for these threats and they continue to ignore the threats.

Make my check out to cash and ban tftt.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

But most importantly, Goldwater was deeply concerned about the Religious Right’s relentless war on the Constitution and basic American freedoms. In a Sept. 15, 1981 senate speech, Goldwater noted that Falwell’s Moral Majority, anti-abortion groups and other Religious Right outfits were sometimes referred to in the press as the “New Right” and the “New Conservatism.” Responded Goldwater, “Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength.” Insisted Goldwater, “Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects… “By maintaining the separation of church and state,” he explained, “the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars … Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?” Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. “The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,” { he said,} “unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives… We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now” { he insisted}. “To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.”

from CHURCH & STATE July / August 1998 “In your heart, you know he’s right.”

Now one of you perverters, b*******, and prostituters of true conservatism call me a liberal. I’m waiting.

By TFTT Rudolph

September 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Is TFTT Eric Robert Rudloph somehow blogging from prison?

By Aquagirl

September 17, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

I’m not worried about TFTT, I trust Captain Freedom to defend us against such terrorists. As long as you’re one of the True Believer Right Thinking Americans you have nothing to worry about.

By Political Foreskin

September 17, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Babysitting my niece today. She’s 14 months old. she just said “google”. She a genius just like her uncle….

Okay, it could have been goo goo.

Bush’s War did not cause the civil war in Iraq. Take the argument one step Feurher, and you can see that when Saddam finally died (of natural causes in twenty or so years), then Iraq and the world would still be at the same impasse it is today.

Iraq is a stalemate on two fronts: the USA vs Iraqis. The Iraqis vs Iraqis.

The only dynamic front is Al Queda’s multi-tiered sleeper cell who knows what they are front.

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

funny how the pathetic little hateful anal far left troll getaturd has suddenly magically back pedalled on its aggressive hate and poison to yours truly … its ALL in the archives ladies … just as all the hate from the knuckle dragging left posted at markus, Mr Wooten, Dusty, @@, RCH, Realist, jbmlaw et al is.

your pathetic craven and presumably venal attempts to silence those that are funnier and wittier than U are typical of the fascist left … now GFY!!

By Connect the dots

September 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Assad’s “big secret” A Joint Iran-Syrian-DPRK Nuclear Program?

“In fact, a rare statement by Kim Jong Il’s regime, denouncing Israel’s alleged incursion into Syria, raised speculation about a possible North Korean role in the current tensions between Damascus and Jerusalem. Pyongyang’s public statement, strangely coincidented just as press reports from Washington said Israel had recently used its air force in an attempt to document alleged transfers of North Korean nuclear technology to Syria.”

“A United Nations briefing indeed determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003. The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam’s missile and WMD program. The briefing even contained satellite photographs demonstrating the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war.”

“A United Nations briefing indeed determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003. The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam’s missile and WMD program. The briefing even contained satellite photographs demonstrating the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war.”

“In January 2004, a prominent Syrian journalist named Nizar Nayyouf, known for his challenging reports on the Damascus regime, defected to Europe and published, what he claimed to be Bashar’s top secret hiding places of Saddam’s WMD caches in Syria.”

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

By Barry M. Goldwater The following is a transcript of Barry Goldwater’s commentary on the military gay ban that appeared this week in the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn’t exactly nothing, but it’s pretty damned close

Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They’ll still be serving long after we’re all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.

But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country’s economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services.

It’s no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there’s no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crasy, but then found that wasn’t true. then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn’t so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1956 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan’s man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea. No wonder my friend Dick Cheney, secretary of defense under President Bush, called it “a bit of an old chestnut”

When the facts lead to one conlusion, I say it’s time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans like Tom Paniccia and Margarethe Cammermeyer will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable.

Some in congress think I’m wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other.

Well, that’s just stupid.

Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell.

Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be.

The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. but we seldom have that luxury. That’s why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that’s what we need now.

I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it’s high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy.

What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” That compromise doesn’t deal with the issue - it tries to hide it.

We have wasted enough precious time, money and talent trying to persecute and pretend. It’s time to stop burying our heads in the sand and denying reality for the sake of politics. It’s time to deal with this straight on and be done with it. It’s time to get on with more important business.

The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people’s private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone’s version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.

When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent.

If I were in the Senate today, I would rise on the Senate floor in support of our commander in chief. He may be a Democrat, but he happens to be right on this question.

(Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987)

By Political Foreskin

September 17, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Just remember that Bush would have captured Osama Bin Laden, virtually single handedly and he would still be the most populat and successful president when he gave the order to attack OBL in Afghanistan in the summer of 02. His general refused to obey that order.

By Connect the dots

September 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Duplicate paragraph omitted.

Assad’s “big secret” A Joint Iran-Syrian-DPRK Nuclear Program?

“In fact, a rare statement by Kim Jong Il’s regime, denouncing Israel’s alleged incursion into Syria, raised speculation about a possible North Korean role in the current tensions between Damascus and Jerusalem. Pyongyang’s public statement, strangely coincidented just as press reports from Washington said Israel had recently used its air force in an attempt to document alleged transfers of North Korean nuclear technology to Syria.”

“A United Nations briefing indeed determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003. The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam’s missile and WMD program. The briefing even contained satellite photographs demonstrating the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war.”

“In January 2004, a prominent Syrian journalist named Nizar Nayyouf, known for his challenging reports on the Damascus regime, defected to Europe and published, what he claimed to be Bashar’s top secret hiding places of Saddam’s WMD caches in Syria.”

Israel was flying reconnaisance over the Syrian/Turkey border as recently as this month.

Do you idiot libs even bother to read the news if Bush’s name isn’t mentioned?

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

By TFTT Rudolph

September 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Is TFTT Eric Robert Rudloph somehow blogging from prison?

more leftist hate … time to aggressively sue for criminally unhinged libel … or sommatt!!

its classic little gems like that that make this blogging thang so much fun. funny also how the perp hides behind yet another ‘false’ id. too cowardly to use its regular name!!

even funnier is how ALL the extremely aggressive, often extremely personal leftist hate on here - aimed at numerous regulars - is completely ignored by ALL the lefties … so implicitly then its perfectly OK for them to post unremitting hate, just so long as its directed against GOP/centre-right targets … but when its simply wittily mirrored back at them in a wholly sardonic, occasionally even in a comedically DELIBERATELY OTT style they, as life long abject hypocrites get all despicably uppity.

so no big surprise there then!!!

By getalife

September 17, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Told ya Moveon would attack Rudy

Is that okay wingnuts?

Geez.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

time for the toilet,

Find one post where I threatened to kill anybody.

There are none.

It is illegal in this country.

By TFTT Rudolph

September 17, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

By TFTT Rudolph

September 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Is TFTT Eric Robert Rudloph somehow blogging from prison?

more leftist hate … time to aggressively sue for criminally unhinged libel … or sommatt!!

its classic little gems like that that make this blogging thang so much fun. funny also how the perp hides behind yet another ‘false’ id. too cowardly to use its regular name!!

Hey TFTT! Just what is my “real” name TFTT. Tell us all. Or are you just excreting more of your ignorant shi$ from that diaper that you never change. Tell us my “real” name you little wanker. If you can’t the good Senator Craig would like you to report back to your workstation and drop to your customary place on your knees. And by the way TFTT. The good Senator recommends that all of us experience one of your oral treats.

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Well, the “discussion” has gone off subject and out of mind as usual. Might as well join the merry crowd.

Keyes for President. No way. Most Americans never heard of him. The ones who have are not interested. Only Captain Freedom and his lefty loser cohorts would think of such an obscure figure.

Now the most suitable man around to fill the office of the presidency in the next election is ROBERT M. GATES, our Sec.of Defense.

Gates is ideal; smart, experienced and well in command of any situation. He would be unflappable before the cuculiform Congress. His ethics and integrity are sound. He is accustomed to being in “high places”.

Maybe he wouldn’t run for office but I would vote for him in a minute. Please, please, let’s get him on the ticket. He’s a winner. GATES FOR PRESIDENT!

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Goldwater Republican, how dare you?!!! What are you thinking?!!!

Are you trying to actually delineate the enormous differences between American conservatism and this joke that now passes for it?!!!

Cuddling up to the religious power brokers/frauds (Be one of the first to get the 10 Commandments posted on your street corner and Christian prayer back into public schools where it belongs!) and legislating morality (kick the fa-gs out and pollute the Constitution with a sanctity of marriage amendment) are but two of the NUMEROUS differences where the GOP completely lost its way.

I have to think that ultra-militarism, rogue “statesmanship”, unbridled hubris and corruption, being essentially prohibitionists as well as fiscal irresponsibility would also make the old-guard, true conservatives shake their heads.

But thankfully, Ronald Reagan didn’t have one damned thing to do with any of it!!! (wink, wink).

By TFTT Rudolph

September 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

By time for the truth its classic little gems like that that make this blogging thang so much fun. funny also how the perp hides behind yet another ‘false’ id. too cowardly to use its regular name!!

In that case shouldn’t you be using your “real” name, Andy?

By Connect the dots

September 17, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

getabrain moron. The Moveon.orgy is a vindictive hate organization that you libs proudly call yours.

With its attention primarily focused on Congress, MoveOn has yet to become vigorously involved in the 2008 presidential race, although its members have been encouraged at points to telephone Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama’s offices to keep them in line on Iraq. Next week, it is beginning an advertising campaign against the Republican candidate Rudolph W. Giuliani in Iowa. Mr. Giuliani took out an advertisement yesterday in The Times attacking the group and Mrs. Clinton.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

If Iraq, Iran, or Syria had a nuke, the jewish problem in the middle east would have been solved a long time ago, a Final Solution to the problem. Since is-p** is still there, all three of these much maligned countries clearly do not possess nukes. Is p** on the other hand is armed to the teeth with american made nukes. Send in the UN to seize israels illegal nuclear arsenal.

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

getaturd … you pathetic LIAR …

NOR have I actually/seriously threatened to kill anyone … I have simply posted very OBVIOUSLY sardonic black cyber humour about lefties and how to ‘rid the planet’ of what is to normal clear thinking folks such a vile, often treasonous presence … in direct response to unremitting visceral even murderous leftist hate on here and occasionally (as i have seen) on my rare visits to the Luckovich blog!!

you have posted exactly the same kind of extremely hateful (in tone) stuff about conservatives over the last year or so… if need be the archives will show this!!

I have had several “death wishes” posted about me on here in the past from at least four/five posters … its actually quite amusing to be hated by total strangers that much (and of course one makes reasonable assumptions about who might be doing it - but leftoies on here constantly behind multiple ids - like U and aborted foreskin)

.. I could care less of course about these death wishes/threats - happily I am NOT mentally feeble enough to take such banter seriously OR in any way PERSONALLY!!

as to the yeller eric rudolph wanker … clearly this is some regular far left cowardly wanker - as ever obsessed with homosexuality …

heebeedeegeee … @ 1.46 now that you bigoted anglo-hater is a real hissy fit!!!

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

AmVet, congratulations for being the only conservative on this blog to understand what conservatism really is. The rest of these faux conservatives probably have to google Barry Goldwater to even know who he is. What the lot of them understand about true conservatism will fit in a thimble.

By getalife

September 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

I know connect the idiots,

You want to throw them out of the country like McLoser.

Geez.

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

who the hell is this “Andy” … all these PARANOID liberal pukes keep endlessly and homosexually obsessing over???

By jm

September 17, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty@1:54 - Alan Keyes, the man the republicans looked nominated to run against Barack Obama when their first candidate Jack Ryan withdrew due to (surprise !) a sex scandal.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Hey Dusty, I’ve called your boss to complain about you wasting work time posting political nonsense on the internet. But do not blame me, it seems you were already under investigation, they have the server logs for the last year, with every post you have made, by day, time, and internet site, as well as the content of your posts. Your gonna get it now!

By getalife

September 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Tell it to the judge moron.

By time for the harsh lets eviscerate all nasty lefties truth

September 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

If Iraq, Iran, or Syria had a nuke, the jewish problem in the middle east would have been solved a long time ago, a Final Solution to the problem

MORE GENOCIDAL ANTI-SEMTIC nazi LEFTIST HATE!!!

and a sullen ‘enabling’ silence from ALL THE LEFTIE PUKES ON HERE!!!

By Will Jones

September 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Greenspan admitted Ayn Rand’s evaluation of him was correct: “He is a social climber.” Individual sovereignty belies the notion to begin with…and too bad the posteriors he was kissing belong to criminal whitetrash traitors.

JFK’s EO11,110 removed the unconstitutional Fed but the Roman Catholic CIA’s murder of Our President, six weeks after he ordered us out of the papal fiefdom of Vietnam(NSAM263), enabled the Vatican’s bankers in the Fed to get control back.

Let’s “play catchup” citizens. Bush is a homosexual (James Guckert/Jeff Gannon) draft-dodger (NG and ER were officially closed for 18 months - during which time only Congressmen cheated their “sons” in) who committed 9-11. Why let this go unaddressed for even more than today? Look at the evidence refused by the 9-11 Commission of 503 first responders who saw and heard the explosives ringing around the WTC. Look at the debris left from two quarter-mile high skyscrapers and WTC7. Google Video search on 9/11. There is ample substantiated analysis by credible experts of unimpeached integrity to demonstrate conclusively that 9-11 was treason committed by the White House.

No Ford/Nixon pardon this time. These traitors must be arrested, tried, convicted and executed and the fascist plutocracy and Roman hierarchy behind them must be expropriated and banished.

By time for the harsh truth

September 17, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

getaturd … faced with its own stream of visceral hate runs away like a TRUE yellowbellied lefty scumbag!!

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 The “Goldwater” Conservative Posted by Devil’s Advocate

Ron Paul may be the last vestige of Barry Goldwater within the Republican Party. He is the only candidate willing to take a stand against all entitlement programs and regulations. He is the one candidate who makes liberty his principle platform. As such, he is objectively the most economically Conservative of all the Republican Presidential candidates.

Nevertheless, there has been a move by many Republicans, and conservative talk radio hosts, to attack Ron Paul and attempt to remove him from the Party entirely. Chris Wallace even had the nerve to ask Ron Paul why he is running as a Republican solely because Paul believes in a neutral international policy. This quite possibly could be the most dangerous action by Republicans in years.

Marginalizing Ron Paul is so disgraceful because the Republican Party has steadily lost Libertarian votes over the last decade. In fact, many lifelong Republicans became registered members of the Libertarian Party. They simply felt that the Republican party no longer believed in limited government.

After several years of the Libertarian Party being a secondary movement, however, Ron Paul realized that libertarians would never have a chance to get their message out on a national stage unless he registered as a Republican. In essence, he grew up and brought many libertarian voters back with him.

Overall, by registering as a Republican, Ron Paul allowed the libertarian platform to enter the debate on a National stage. Notably, this is something the movement had failed to accomplish for many years.

If, however, Ron Paul supporters continue to see this hatred spewed directly at them from the remaining Republicans, they may decide to move back into the shadows of the Libertarian Party once again. This would forever remove the “Goldwater Republican” from the Party, something thought absurd just thirty years ago.

So the next time you think it is prudent to attack Ron Paul because of his controversial stance on Iraq, just remember that it may cost the Party its most Conservative voting block.

By time for the harsh truth

September 17, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

These traitors must be arrested, tried, convicted and executed and the fascist plutocracy and Roman hierarchy behind them must be expropriated and banished.

YET MORE UNHINGED murderous LEFTIE HATE!!!

By Captain Freedom

September 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

THE Captain is saddened to find that Dusty has thrown her lot in with Redneck Convert and Time for More Meth to oppose the inevitable Keyes Coronation. (And THE Captain apologizes for causing Redneck to toss his lunch. Those moonpies and quikkie mart hot dogs don’t come cheap.)

THE Captain understands the hesitation to endorse the candidacy of one of Those People. THE Captain himself found it difficult until He realized that there was no realistic alternative to carry forth Our Leader’s Program for Permanent War and Cultural Cleansing. The rest of the crop of GOP candidates are either wolves in sheeps clothing or couldn’t get elected with all the Diebold machines in China. (THE Captain apologizes for torturing the metaphor. Mea culpa.)

Heck, most of the current “conservative” candidates have openly supported the right to abortion, and most of them are soft on the Friend of Dorothy problem. That leaves the likes of Tancredo, Brownback and Huckabee, but the first two wear (like Sister Dusty) a face like a clenched fist, and poor Huckabee isn’t even able to garner name recognition in that airport bathroom stall in Minnesota, where lots of good GOP people like to meet and discuss issues.

So that leaves Alan as the Keyes to Our Future. See, it’ll be easy to sell this guy, and I’m pretty sure he’ll be amenable to whatever his Real American advisors tell him to do. Those People who work for the GOP are always really eager to please (cf, Rice, Powell, Thomas, etc.).

Anyway, sorry to lose Redneck, Dusty and Meth Time on this, but THE Captain is a firm adherent of Realpolitik (excuse my French), and is more than willing to let one of Those People serve as a front for White Christian (i.e., Real) Americans. As we showed in Florida in 2000, taking the Power of State is the first step towards the larger goal of reclaiming Our Nation from the Demons of Islamohomoecofacistoliberalism.

Keyes for President. It’s the Right Thing to do.

By Lane Tucker

September 17, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Greenspan has started to show advanced symptoms of SENILITY and clearly under the influence of his LIBERAL wife, Andrea Mitchell, a liberal member of the MainStream Media

By Commander Guy

September 17, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

his LIBERAL wife, Andrea Mitchell, a liberal member of the MainStream Media

laughing…too…hard…can’t … breathe…call 911…

By Dustbuster

September 17, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Cuculiform congress? Are you kidding? What a cornball.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Dustbuster, that is the other reason Dusty is about to be fired, something she is doing with a cuculiform thing in her cubicle offens the people who can hear or see her rather obese person.

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Goldwater Republican, it will be EXCEDINGLY interesting to see which of the Republican “conservatives” steps up to the plate on this issue.

I would not be surprised if yet again, none do.

I have tried unsuccessfully for many months on this blog, and at Luckovich’s, to get some debate going on this very issue, but the sound of the crickets chirping has been deafening!

Actually I misspoke. I have received one or two replies along the lines of it can’t really be defined or mindless pablum like “strength through defense”. (I personally think that was ripped off straight from Tricky Dick’s “Peace with Honor”).

It is a shame that when I enlisted in 1972, Nixon was to almost immediately get himself in the throes of one of the, if not the, worst nightmares in our political history. Then after I started my civilian career and a family, Ronnie Reagan, Edwin Meese, et al appeared on the scene to further ruin any chance for me to look at the “new” and “smaller government” GOP seriously.

What a shame that buried beneath all of that neo-con bullsh-it was some actual clarity and understanding of real and traditionally competent American governance by the actual conservatives.

By Guy

September 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

I sure do like that time for the alphabet fella, (gal)? He/she’s my type of person. Hopefully it’s a guy, if so, we can always go fishing together on weekends somewhere up in the mountains where my wife won’t find out about us.

What say you time for the alphabet? Want a little brokeback action? I’ll be the one riding of course. Email me at crazywhtboy@hotmail.com if you’re interested. I love a hot blooded tightazz guy!

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Hey AmVet - What are you trying to get a debate on? I haven’t been here since this morning and didn’t get the gist of your argument/debate?

Is it how people who claim to be conservative are really, shall we say, not?

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

ALL RIGHT, I ADMIT IT, I HATE AND DISPISE REPUBLICANS AND NECONS. I JUST HATE THEM TO PIECES. BUT IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? AFTER ALL, THEY ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN - JUST SUBHUMAN PRIMATES IMITATING INTELLIGENT LIFE, THANKS MOSTLY TO PRE PACKAGED TALKING POINTS HANDED DOWN FROM ON HIGH. BY HIGH, I MEAN THE TOP OF THE BANANA TREE, BY THE CHIMP IN CHIEFS PERSONAL HANDLERS.

By catlady

September 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I just realized that the Nichols trial is Georgia’s own personal Iraq: more and more money for a foregone conclusion and we will NEVER be finished with it.

By Guy

September 17, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

To time for the alphabet — email me the first chance you get. I can ditch the wife every weekend so we can meet up first at the “club” or wherever you want. I bet I know you, are you that slim fella with the pretty blue eyes and the tightestass I’ve ever seen in a pair of blue jeans? I’m starting to sweat thinking about you boy. Email me I’ve got something for you.

Oh and btw, I just love bucked, rotting teeth, so your bad teeth and breath will just turn me on even more. Here’s a kiss now blow one back to me. XXXXOOOXXX

By Connect the dots

September 17, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms — jew hater

A United Nations briefing indeed determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

Component: noun

Man you anti-semitic libs are dumb.

Must be your hate-infested miserable lives that keeps you that way.

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

AmVet - I’ve always considered it a lie for Wooten to consider what he writes “common sense conservatism.”

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

When I read cuculiform Congress, I thought either that is a real doozy I’ve NEVER heard of before, or the otherwise less than erudite Dusty was just trying to be pedantic.

But when I read between the lines I realized it was just a typo. I’m pretty sure she meant cauliflower Congress.

As for the “Greenspan is a traitor” conspiracy advocates, I’m not sure I disagree.

It is not at all that surprising as he was clearly emboldened after getting away with being the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

Hey Bosch. Exactement! Read all of Goldwater Republican’s excellent writings today to get up to speed.

By Marji Ross

September 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Dear Mr Wooten,

I am the President and Publisher of Regnery Press. We are one of the oldest and most successful conservative publishers in the world, and include amongst our stable of writers such luminaries as Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingrahim, and Micehlle Malkin. I am writing as I believe your Think Right column may provide one of our future stars.

We have been following your columns and blogs for quite some time, and we are quite taken with the cogency of the opinions expressed and the stellar wit and prose associated therewith. With this in mind, Mr Wooten, we would appreciate very much if you could forward to us a way of contacting Captain Freedom, in hopes that we might offer him a contract with our firm.

We are especially interested in publishing the full collection of his posts to your blog, Common Thinking. We will of course be happy to offer you a finder’s stipend, in the form of backstock of our extensive catalog.

Thank you for your attention to this, Mr Wooten. It may in fact be the most important act supporting the Conservative Movement in your entire career.

Regards, Marji Ross

By jm

September 17, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

connect the dots@2:59 - were those components the same falsely identified aluminum tubes or were they the “mobile chemical weapons” labs.

By Jeffisgoofingoff

September 17, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Its good to hear that you’re going to send your son or daughter to Iraq solely for the purpose of keeping the terrorists’ hands off oil production.

Not as much punch as doing it for ‘the sake of freedom’, but someone’s got to do it.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

The fact is that what the religious right demands is conformity. They would like to establish, or I may say, they— a theocracy, purely and simply, a theocracy. That bothers me because this is the old fight that we’ve had that goes back centuries between religion, church, and state. And up till now we’ve had a separation of that and I think our founding fathers have had a separation of that. But these people want to merge it. The paradox is that the Neocons, they are not religious.

How true.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Neocons are neither patriotic, moral, principled nor well-meaning.

They are the scum of humanity on a par with the Nazis. I repeat for the umpteenth time that the Bush regime is not a group of buffoons; they are a group of master criminals and superb psychologists specializing in the abnormal and the immoral. Their practiced buffoonery is comparable to my Representative, Steve Israel, who justified to me his recent vote to extend the War Funding with the Sophistry of “supporting the troops”. Superb LIARS always mix in some Truth with their Lies to confuse their prey. I still have not encountered a new Republican I would trust as far as my left foot.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

These “new” Republicans feel we can’t win an election unless we have the Theoconservatives, the religious right with us. We can’t win an election unless we have ground troops. These are our storm troopers but when you take them in, it changes the character of the party. You win but do you win— do you win on any principle that you stood for?

By time for baseball batting all obsessive sick queer forum lefties

September 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

it seems like this queeralicious NUTTER “guy” really might/just could maybe in an indirect half arsed vainglorious way be aborted foreskin in disguise … puking up its poorly repressed sick homo-obsession at those it recognises as its intellectual/genetic/comedic betters … then again it could be the I got a yellow streak like Kerry maggot brained getaturd … missing its weekend buttock bouncing sessions with fidel we all hope U die soon castro …. then again its such a typical generic post from just about any leftist rodent afterbirth that who can say for sure which shirtlifting turd burgling cut and run pinKKKO scumbag it is???

I say Biggles and Ginger lets MACHINE GUN THEM ALL … that way one will be making sure ordinary decent folks who aren’t mentally ultra feeble won’t be able to say in shocked hushed, excuse me crushed by a horrid beastly conservative tones:

“I cannot describe the HYSTERICALLY MISPLACED IRRATIONAL nonsensical paranoid fear I have for my life and my family’s life” at beholding such sick vile homo-pinKKKO anonymous abuse!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOPS insensitive horrid beastly OTT SARDONIC generic death threat alert!!!!

EXTERMINATE … EXTERMINATE …. (in the tone of a beserk Dalek running wild on a Dr Who BBC sound stage), A SCI-FI reference only … NO threat implied to no one guvnor- honest!!

Obviously the key to all this is to behold this lefty homo filth “dozens of times” … so that would be at least 24 … DAMN looks like we need the black racist jew hating (as seen on Hannity and Colmes) nutter calypso louis farracrap to do the numerology here folks !!!

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Ah, the cuculiform cubicle kooks have struck again. I forgive them for they know not what they do, much less what they post.

Our “Captain”, expert on rest room behavior and current forms of mime and mooning techniques, has once again gone to the far places to look for a candidate. When the Captain doth wheeze, it’s always for Keyes.

Therefore, I support my suggestion for the next Republican President who has not only Goldwater characteristics but those of Ronald Reagan and probably Abe Lincoln (although more photogenic than the goodly Abe).

Vote for the man who rates: ROBERT M. GATES, the next President of the USA. ( USA stands for the United States of America. I like to help hapless libs who forget the meaning of USA so easily.)

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Dear Dusty @ 1:54, I agree with you that Robert Gates would be an excellent potential president, but another section of your post hit a little close to home. I voted for Alan Keyes in both 1996 and 2000 presidential primaries. I thought he was the most balanced fellow in the race; I still like him.

Dear Self-appointed AuH2O determiner @ various times, while I revere the sainted co-father of modern conservatism (the other, of course, is WFB, Jr.) I think your postings do not reflect an acquaintance with conservatism, which has at least a half dozen branches. Goldwater-Libertarianism is my favorite branch, but you seemingly ignore that entire section in favor of maligning the Christian Conservatives. I think the Christian Conservatives are entitled to object to attempts to marginalize their participation in government. You also ignore the traditional Robert Taft/Paul Harvey-style fiscal conservatives. Those were the three equal legs of the Reagan coalition. All conservatives believe in the value of ethics and freedom. (That is why we expunge foot-tappers and IMers, whereas Leftists celebrate rapists and drunk drivers.) Your hostility to conservatism suggests disingenuousness.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Recommended reading:

“Invasion of the Partysnatchers: How the Holy Rollers and the Neocons Destroyed the GOP”.

You won’t be able to put it down.

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Dear Self-appointed AuH2O determiner @ various times, anyone who uses the term “neocon” is a Jew-baiter. Conservatives don’t do that, except the Pat Buchanan types, but you knew that already.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

Greenspan is a liar, imho. Saddom had no navy to speak of, so how exactly was he to block the Straights, some 300 miles plus from the Iraq coast line. Like all good shills for Israel, Greenspan was recommending war against Iraq on trumped up charges within Mr. Greenspans area of expertise. Since Alan is one jew I had thought above that sort of thing, one must now wonder about the council given by all jews when the interests of Israel are involved.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

The father of the conservative movement is having his position on issues published to the world by his daughter, C.C. Goldwater. Dad (Barry) was firmly pro-choice, a supporter of gay rights and, in his later years, said that he thought it was OK for gays to serve in the military.

As a kid, the one thing that I remember about Barry Goldwater was his belief that you should keep Government out of the bedrooms of Americans. Your home is your castle. Here is a quote: “Government needs to stay out of personal lives, and do the job that we entrusted them with - to run and govern our country efficiently and truthfully, according to the laws our forefathers crafted.”

He believed in the separation of church and state. How has that changed in the conservative movement? This morning on the Mike Barnicle show, Mike asked CC how her father would have reacted to the death of Jerry Falwell. Her response: “Ding dong, the witch is dead.”

What would Barry say about President Bush’s reliance on the fear that a terrorist attack is just around the corner. Barry said: “Anyone who motivates our decisions by fear cannot restore the principles of a country founded in freedom.”

When Goldwater ran for President in 1964, he was considered an extremist. Goldwater was trounced in the election but the United States would have been much better off if he had been the winner.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

• Barry Goldwater, as quoted in Conservatives Without Conscience

By Guy

September 17, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Time for the alphabet I just love it when you talk nasty to me big boy. Come on home and let daddy put some loving on you. Meet me at Hartsfield at the “spot” tonight around 8. I’ve got a foot tap for you.

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Okay, AmVet - did it.

Well, I’ve always found it interesting here on this blog that people consider me a liberal. Liberals are typically ones for change, which I don’t mind change so much, but when it comes to the Constitution, I think the people who wrote it got it right and don’t think it needs that much change.

It’s also funny to me how wingnuts want a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and to reverse Roe v. Wade, and scream about illegal immigration, while claiming to be a conservative which, be definition, constitutes less government intervention.

I guess I’m considered a liberal because I don’t like seing the Constitution being torn to shreds by ultra-right wing thugs like the Bush administration who think they can change the law to suit their whims. What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

I guess I’m considered a liberal because I’m opposed to this war in Iraq, but funny how I think the military spending in general should not be cut back (except in Iraq).

I don’t like abortions, but know it is necessary to keep legal because if not done medically, we’d have a lot of dead teenage and young women on our hands.

I don’t like the influx of illegal immigrants in this country, but I certainly can see why a lot would want to come here - and what jobs are they really taking away from us? The lowest paid jobs we have - if anything their labor helps us more than it hurts us.

The one thing that bothers me is the ease with which they can get here, which means we are not doing enough to protect our borders which I am all for. I don’t want myself or anyone I know blown up in a terrorist plot.

Am I a tree hugging environmentalist? You bet I am. I am all for conservation of energy, but like I said earlier, I don’t think it is a one problem (we are addicted to foreign oil and the stupid tree huggers won’t let us drill oil here) and a one solution problem (we need to drill oil here). Like most problems that one is truly multi-layered. I ethanol the answer? Absolutely not. We need public perception of the energy crisis to change, or we will be stuck with our addiction forever.

Like I said earlier too - give free liposuction to fat a*******es - that would generate enough oil and energy for a long time!

I guess by today’s standards I am a liberal, but funny how I have a lot of conservative beliefs too. Sigh.

By Guy

September 17, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Dog gone it Alphabet you get me hot with that talk!! email me so we can meet up tonight! I think I know you; i’ve seen you twisting your little hot butt allover the “club” before, you were with this guy named Bill; but you were looking at me. Email me I’ll show you what a real man can do for you. Come to daddy baby.

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

Mr. Goldwater, What you said earlier about a theocracy, I truly believe that is why there are so many hypocritical fake “Christians” these days. The ultra right think they have to make that claim in order to align with their party. I said it before and I’ll say it again, George W. Bush is no more of a Christian than Osama Bin Laden.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

What would they say?

Q: What is the role of the Attorney General of the United States?

George W. Bush: Mi Abogado

Barry Golwater: el Abogadp de la gente.

Contrast that.

By VoR

September 17, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

It’s ironic that liberals constantly preach (sorry fellas, “convey”) tolerance but, as evidenced on this blog, are the most hateful, anti-semitic group in existence.

By time for the truth

September 17, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

funny how all the sensitive hate hating hypocritical lefties NEVER say anything about constant leftist sneers at their precious homo sexuals … clearly lefties are perfectly comfortable with ANY leftist hate so long as its hatefully aimed at conservatives. along with the usual racial bigotry from the possum brained L Cpl Syphilis/inbred rednekkk,

and this little gem:

ALL RIGHT, I ADMIT IT, I HATE AND DISPISE REPUBLICANS AND NECONS. I JUST HATE THEM TO PIECES. BUT IS THAT SUCH A BAD THING? AFTER ALL, THEY ARE NOT EVEN HUMAN - JUST SUBHUMAN PRIMATES IMITATING INTELLIGENT LIFE, THANKS MOSTLY TO PRE PACKAGED TALKING POINTS HANDED DOWN FROM ON HIGH. BY HIGH, I MEAN THE TOP OF THE BANANA TREE, BY THE CHIMP IN CHIEFS PERSONAL HANDLERS.

plus this afternoon we’ve had lets KILL ALL THE JEWS IN ISRAEL … lets EXECUTE Bush/Cheney et al… the usual rabid homosexual ravings … continuous rabid anti-semtism from one real leftist sickkko

and THE USUAL sullen silence from the lefties!!

why don’t lefties stop inciting visceral hatred on here?? … day after day …

its in their DNA!!!

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Thank you Bosch. Many of these pseudo-christians subscribe to what is known as “easy grace”. Confess, pray for forgiveness, etc. Since they feel that they are “saved” and have the mechanism of “easy grace” to consume as their comfort food, it is extremely easy for them to continuously commit un-christian acts. The question is, what does God think of these people? They rave and rant about the evils of “liberalism” but if one does not cherry pick the scriptures, it is readily apparent that Jesus was a liberal. And of course you have those like Ken Lay, who with bible in hand and a straight face, strared straight into the cameras and said “I have done nothing wrong” on the courthouse steps after being convicted of serious crimes. Those are the really scary ones and they heavily populate the extreme right wing of the republican party as it is today. In the entire Republican party today I think that you would have a very hard time finding one fifth of its populace that are true republicans or true conservatives.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

September 17, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

When the alternative to hating you repukes is having bathroom sex with repuke senators and reps at the airport, I will stick to hating.

By Guy

September 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Time for the alphabet; you’ve got me panting for you now. Meet me baby, I’m a real man I’ll show you what you can do with that toothless mouth of yours!

By Guy

September 17, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Nothing wrong with sex in the bathrooms; it’s the only way our wives won’t find hotel receipts. You liberals anti-love haters don’t know jack.

Alphabet boy, we can take a couple of letters out of the alphabet then if you open wide we can spell “OOOOO.”

XXXXOOOOXXX

By Bosch

September 17, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Jesus was definitely a liberal - he wanted change. When wingnut, fake Christians start quoting scripture, they usually quote the Apostle Paul or the Old Testament (Jewish laws).

I told AmVet this the other day, I think if you look at the ultra-right wing in other countries, for example Germany whose ultra-right wing constitues the neo-Nazi party, it isn’t really all that different than what we have here.

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw@ 3:30

I am sorry to cause any unhappiness for my learned friend of justice and law. For me, Alan Keyes never raised any thought or interest in the past elections. Perhaps I dismissed his chances of success as next to nothing.

I’m afraid any choice of our clever counterfeit-conservative Captain would rile my sense of selection and produce indignation. That is in blogging, of course. It takes a little more than that in the real world.

There are some tough decisions to be made in this election. GATES would make that selection easier.

Amvet@3:01

“Cuculiform” was not a typo. I’ll give you a clue. Get a German made wooden clock with a little bird that comes out every hour and tells you its name. Then repeat the first two syllables “cu cu” and you will be a winner. (Even Google and Webster knew so there!!) I thought all liberals like you would be familiar with the actuality of “CUCUliform”.

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

As my friend jbmlaw asserts, Goldwater and Buckley are the very founders of the American conservative movement, and we know for a fact that one, still living, has renounced this administration’s policies as decidedly non-conservative.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/22/eveningnews/main1826838.shtmlWe

“I think Mr. Bush faces a singular problem best defined, I think, as the absence of effective conservative ideology — with the result that he ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending, extremely tolerant of excesses by Congress,” Buckley says. “And in respect of foreign policy, incapable of bringing together such forces as apparently were necessary to conclude the Iraq challenge.”

Asked what President Bush’s foreign policy legacy will be to his successor, Buckley says “There will be no legacy for Mr. Bush. I don’t believe his successor would re-enunciate the words he used in his second inaugural address because they were too ambitious. So therefore I think his legacy is indecipherable”

One can only surmise about the former Arizona senator, but is there really any doubt he would even more strongly repudiate them as well?

I think the Christian Conservatives are entitled to object to attempts to marginalize their participation in government.

This to me, is a matter of perspective. There is absolutely no doubt that the church has always had enormous power in this country. And that includes over countless politicians and organizations. Only since the 1960’s have the non-religionists dare combat their intolerant agenda and take them on with some support from mainstream America.

So for me personally, I’m not sure the words Christian and conservative go together very well. At least not in the context of Reagan’s desire to bring back Christian prayers in public schools or Ike’s 50’s era caving in on getting “under God” added to the pledge.

By Lee

September 17, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

I have talked to many conservatives who support the war in Iraq. None want to pay higher taxes to pay for the war. None want to send their own kids over there. The conservatives all want to support the war, but have other people pay for it, and to use other people’s children as the soldiers instead of their own. Talk about entitlement programs!

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Goldwater deplored racial prejudice and discrimination. He helped to desegregate the family-run Goldwater’s store in Phoenix, the Sky Harbor Airport, Phoenix’s school system, the city’s lunch counters, and the Arizona Air National Guard. “I am unalterably opposed to discrimination of any sort,” he once declared, and that was how he lived his life.

As gays and lesbians across the United States began to press their case for the same freedoms and protections that others have, Barry Goldwater came to support their desire for equal opportunity, too.

“It’s time America realized that there was no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence. Job discrimination against gays or anybody else is contrary to each of these founding principles,” Goldwater observed.

Contrast that with the stench of intolerance coming from the Republican right wing. Those guys are not conservatives.

By @@

September 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

‘Ya know AmVet, I’ve finally figured you out.

You have a G__d Complex.

Still harping on the same old same old I see.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

By @@

September 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

‘Ya know AmVet, I’ve finally figured you out.

You have a G__d Complex.

Still harping on the same old same old I see.

And you sir (@@) are consistent as well. Still trying to pass yourself off as conservative.

By Shane

September 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

I hate to sound juvenile, but what the hey - ockham’s razor is rarely wrong. YOU ARE MOSTLY A BUNCH OF BLITHERING IDIOTS SPOUTING OFF WHATEVER MORSEL OF A SOUNDBITE YOU’VE BEEN WILLFULLY FORCE-FED.

Greenspan is a genius - and he’s probably right on most accounts. And, I can’t believe how much time we dedicate to talking and talking and talking about the same tired s** everyday when there are people who should be running this country effectively, compassionately, and honestly… and all we get are these dispshits on both sides of the aisle. oh, and Wooten to bolster their idiocracy and act all smart and s** with his 20/20 hindsight; Yeah, way to go there Wooten - the repugnicans should’ve lost - what salient and timeless wisdom you have to offer me. useless prick (at best)

Every month in Iraq there are as many, if not more Iraqis being killed as there were Americans killed on 9-11. How many months now? Let’s see, 5 times… oh about 12 is 60 multiplied by about 3000 equals 180,000 dead Iraqis…

WAY TO GO AMERICA!!! YOU’RE A BUNCH OF F*** MURDERING DOUCHEBAGS.

bunch of freaking cowards is what you are hiding behind your Bush and your cowboys.

Think long and hard now… Do you deserve your freedom?

Nope. you don’t.

Maybe you should start trying to earn it some other way than voting for idiots and slapping on a couple of “support our troops” bumper stickers when your Dubya feels like destabilizing an entire region and flooding the ranks of our enemies with fresh recruits you blithering flock of cretins.

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Cu Cu Cool!

Bosch, re: your 3:51.

As I guessed, other than jbmlaw, whose opinions I respect, though we disagree often, there is not one of the right-wingers here who will defend their beliefs as conservative. NOT ONE of the usual suspects. To a man/woman, they have NO credibility in this matter.

In fact, things have gone so abysmally bad for the New GOP that they have even lost their claim as fiscal conservatives.

I don’t think they have much choice now but to continue to parrot the slogans and sound bites dictated to them as the Republican mantra over the last 25 years.

Or fundamentally change and reinvent themselves. It is possible but not without men of courage and vision.

But the oracles like Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, etc would never let that happen as they are IMHO not remotely conservative. And they probably know it too, but don’t care as they can spin the believers into seeing what isn’t there all the way to the bank. Just look at this blog for evidence.

Being anti-liberal is to these charlatans being conservative.

By @@

September 17, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Well Senator Goldwater, like I said earlier. I conserve on my gas unlike AmVet whose got a slow and wasteful leak in his hose.

I am what I am….a reformed liberal. Think of me as a John Stossel conservative.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Like or dislike Barry Goldwater, he shows how far conservatives have come as they’ve degenerated from a movement supporting freedom and small government to the current authoritarian movement dominated by the religious right. I’ve wondered how far Goldwater would have evolved had he stayed in politics in his later years when he considered himself a liberal and opposed the direction the Republicans were going in. If he had continued to guide the Republicans philosophically, perhaps they would have candidates like the fictional Arnold Vinick of The West Wing rather than George Bush.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them…

There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in ‘A,’ ‘B,’ ‘C,’ and ‘D.’ Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of ‘conservatism.’”

By Mid-South Philosopher

September 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

I am getting on way late today. Some of us have to work to keept this dynamic Bush economy flourishing.

Greenspan simply brings us face to face with the utter reality of the Iraqi mess. Had oil not been there, Saddam would have been just another third rate dictator in a fourth world country…hardly worth the notice of the Texas Wonder, even if he could have found it on the map!

As it was, oil was the motivation that enticed the Bush Administration to act to remove Saddam…an act that was totally justified; however NOT for the reasons originally given for the conflict.

The error was that neither Bush nor Rumsfeld remembered the one day in 10th grade world history when their teacher taught about Islam and the middle eastern mindset.

Consequently, they were like lost softballs in high grass when the reality of the occupation set in.

By Ed

September 17, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

It was shocking to hear the President say it was, in part, about the oil, in his speech last week. In retrospect, he must have been given a “heads up” about Greenspan’s book. After 6 years, they must feel the public can handle the truth, the ugly truth. It is time, past time, for our government to support research on alternative energy (and stop putting so much energy in to making sure that we are all hooked on that “Texas tea”.

By AmVet

September 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Goldwater Republican, I think that this anti-liberal madness that I referred to earlier was exacerbated by Clinton.

It drove the neo-cons nuts, that, FOR THE MOST PART, he did a really good job in the White House, especially fiscally as noted by Greenspan.

He left Bush a $5 trillion surplus (I know some of that was counting funds that historically never were). But still!

And speaking of faux conservatives, @@ has had a very long standing AmVet complex. The poor gal is obsessed with me.

I guess I should be flattered, and am, But only in the sense that if she finds my politics, world view and opinions so distasteful, I have little reasoned to be concerned.

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Dear Lee @ 4:55, I can help you understand. We conservatives would sacrifice as much of non-military government spending as necesssary to make the world safe for freedom-lovers. My son just called me from a naval station in Maine, where he is going through some necessary and distasteful training this week. Perhaps for his sake you could put aside partisanship just for a minute, and think good things about the military.

By jbmlaw

September 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Dear AuH20 determiner @ 5:24, I am curious what you think the sainted one would have said about the MoveOn morons who have seized control of the democrat party, threatening to oppose those who disagree with them on Iraq, for example?

By J. Roberts

September 17, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Thank you Goldwater Republican for your words today. Hopefully those of us who have held firm to Goldwater conservatism will have the courage to take back our party from these zealots on the right. I am sure if more people understood the true meaning of conservatism they would declare total war on those right wing fanatics that have stolen our party and turned the word conservative into something to be ridiculed. It is time for true republicans to stand and deliver. Eliminate these unamerican authoritarians from the GOP. Only then can we rebuild the party into something respectable again. The Republican party should have room for those who would be true conservatives without regard for race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity. I am tired of being seen as a member of the party of racists, bigots, homophobes, nativists, and theocratic despots.

By deegee

September 17, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty, we aren’t having any problem with understanding what cuculiform means. It’s just so ridiculously stupid and sophomoric that we just can’t believe that someone would seriously use that word.

By Dusty

September 17, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

How many of you liberal “preachers” even went to church last Sunday?

There is nothing like a bunch of agnostic libs telling anyone with faith that THEY know what is best for you and don’t take their government away from them. What absolute hooey!!

Then the “historians” want to tell you which dead conservative you are to follow (if the church doesn’t get you). Do any of you libs ever make up your mind ON YOUR OWN without following some past partisan telling you what to think?

My church teaches faith, love, hope and charity. The place of faith hardly seems in touch with the hateful accusations inanely applied against those who believe in something. Why are liberals constantly proclaiming that churches are trying to ruin THEIR government when churches would love for all to come and worship (not politicize) with them.

And last but not least, the very idea that conservatives will not fight for this country is pure putrid propaganda. Every generation in my family including my father, husband, and son have served this country in the military. My minister has two children in Iraq. Some conservatives here have mentioned their children in the military. But libs bleat on with their sickening lack of truth.

If Democrats ever create a feeling of trust again, they best rid themselves of this hateful, dishonest, anti-war, anti-American, doom dedicated crowd. No one trusts such as the likes of the current proclaimers of the Democratic Party.

By JohnD

September 17, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Amvet and others,

I have consistently posted here that there is no difference in the Members of Congress, other than their party affiliation, and they are all there for only one end - to be re-elected.

There are few conservatives and few liberals, they are simply poll watchers who vote with the wind rather than conscience.

I am a Constitutional conservative and believe the Constitution should be strictly followed and is not a “living document”.

I am a Christian who does not believe the Roe v Wade decision should even be an issue. The procedure is medical and should be left between a doctor, his patient and her soul. I concurrently oppose national health care. I do not wish to have government in my medical decisions.

I have also witnessed much “liberal thought” from Amvet, at least liberal in my eyes. I was amused by his claim to be a conservative.

Blame much of the political climate of today on the Democrat Party failures to nominate a viable candidate. Come on, McGovern, Carter, Humphrey, Clinton, Gore and Kerry? Not even Democrats thought Carter and Clinton would win. But, surprise!

The lesser of two evils drives moderates and conservatives to vote Republican. To lay the failures of Bush entirely upon conservatives is to fail to see the laughable candidates nominated by Democrats.

By Goldwater Republican

September 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Thank you J. Roberts. Your post ends my work here today. It is our duty as true conservatives to constantly remind those that may have forgotten what true conservatism is. It is freedom based. It is about privacy and individual freedom. It is not the tyranical, authoritarian, and un-American perversion that the right wing has so eagerly tried to pass off as conservatism. That is the mission of all true conservatives. To purge our party of the right wingers who have brought us such shame. It is our duty to rid the GOP of these posers. Let them find something else to call themselves. For when they call themselves conservatives they disgrace us all.

By Craig

September 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Captain Freedom, Redneck Converty, Bosch, y’all are brilliant today - thanks!

By @@

September 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

And speaking of faux conservatives, @@ has had a very long standing AmVet complex.*

As John Stossel would say….”Give me a break.” Before I discovered, and you admitted that you were Huge, I couldn’t have cared less about you or anything you had to say.

You’re repetitive and boring. Your long-winded and pompous posts under many pseudonyms (Goldwater Republican) only prove YOUR obsession is with yourself….

when it’s not with Andy that is.

You’re a sockpuppet AmVet and there is nothing that can be learned from your posts. Once you’ve read one you’ve read them all.