Thinking Right

By jbmlaw

September 10, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. I’ll reserve comment on the Petraeus Report until I’ve read it or heard it. Great essay today, jointly authored by Joe Lieberman and John McCain, written with the subtitle, “The president had the courage to change course on Iraq. Does Congress?” http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010585 Rep. Brian Baird, leftist, voted against the war, but he may the smartest model for our leftist brothers. Unless or until we focus on the larger question – “what is the best strategy for stamping out the world-wide Islamist movement?” – we are condemned to failure, and might as well order our prayer-mats. I sincerely wish the surrendarcrats would pull back from the position of cowardice, for the sake of our grandchildren.

By Anonymous

September 10, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

By “we,” I can only assume Wooten is referring to himself and a few other diehard Bush-backing commentators.

America has moved on, and is rightly sick of this needless and costly war.

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

…and just what’s WRONG with converting to Islam? Just think of it, peoples….eden! yes, Eden! All of our women including Brittany, Lindsay, Paris and Rosie will be covered up. That’s paradise for men not because the body gets covered up, but the mouth gets a drape (dare I say gag, allah?) too!

Aw, Imagine being able to say, “No, I didn’t take out the garbage, dear, I didn’t hear you tell me to, it’s that confounded veil over your mouth, too bad you’ll be stoned to death as an infidel and sent straight to hell if you ever take it off and shout at me. Could you bring me a sandwich? The game is about to start. Praise allah!”

but dont worry, when we all become muslims I’m sure Ralphmed Lauren will design bikini burkas that will highlight certain areas acceptable to the mullahs in Iran. Trust in fashion science, my fellow jihadists!

And think of the money we’ll all save on weddng gowns! Think of how parking will change when we go to “Expectant Mullah’s Only” spaces.

Aw. it’s gonna be great! The only thing we’ll need is a compass so that we can kneel toward Mecca five times a day. Hey! This is like the Big Idea for some of us to make millions: Invent the “Meccompass” (copyright @ 2007), and make a million dollars!!!

But seriously folks, there was always the chance that the combatants in Iraq would burn themselves out and grow weary of war, and it looks like that’s what’s happening, and if so, then sorry, but Bush suddenly becomes our greatest prez ever, including lincoln, who also mispronounced words. Few people know that what Lincoln really said was, “Four w*******, and seven beers ago…..” (He was addressing an AA meeting at Gettysburg. he wasn’t there for the civil war battle at all, he was there because his wife drove him to drink. Think how history would have been different if Lincoln had converted to Islam and had covered up his raucous wife’s big mouth with a veil, and shut her the F up!

Aw, it would have been great. If there ever was a photo of marital torture and misery, it’s those photos of an aging lincoln taken during the civil war.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

There it is. A general who months ago had the backing of the Democratic leadership. A “fine” man they called him. An honest report we will get they said.

Now that the surge is working and it looks like a favorable report, the Democrates have gone back to their favorite proven tactic: SMEAR.

Militarily we a winning, now we must concentrate on the political spectrum leaving us a way to total victory and a time for us to say goodbye.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Amazingly I concur with jbmlaw!! OMG hell has frozen over!! I agree with the part where he says, “I’ll defer judgement until the report comes out or until I can read it myself”.

I also like the question “what is the best strategy for stamping out the world-wide Islamist movement?” My answer would be two pronged, first pull out of Iraq. Each day we are there we are looked at as invaders, not liberators, and the jihadists grow more and more in strength in numbers. Every bomb that we use to blow up the enemy; and it somehow accidentally hits a civilian; the Arab press is playing up to make America look like a rampaging bull and cements in the mind of the younger muslim generation that they must join any anti-american movement in order to stop the American invasion of Islam.

Second go after Bin Laden — he is the face and the symbol of the most prolific terrorist attacks against America ever. He must be captured and made an example of. Also go after the money; they can’t fund camps and attacks without money.

By jm

September 10, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Well, if the area has already been ethnicly (not sure if that is a word) cleansed, wouldn’t you expect the “sectarian” violence to go down?

Here is a good yardstick for measuring the success of the surge, is that when the number of people trying to get back in to Iraq starts to exceed the number of people trying to leave. All the numbers I see show more people trying to leave than return. Oh yeah, the ones who are leaving are generally the ones the US most wants to stay.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

* DebbieDoRight*

Are you forgetting that we were not in Afghanistan or Iraq when 911 hit. The terrorist will find any excuse to kill us( Military or civilian). I would rather fight with our military who are trained to do so on their turf ,than civilians be the target here.

Osama may be the current face of terrorism now, but even when he is eliminated a new fanatic will take his place.I agree we must place stong pressure on governments that fund or harbor individuals that fund these terrorist. Without money they are as helpless as a kitten.

By Redneck Convert

September 10, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

I’m down in the dumps today because my beloved Dawgs lost Saturday.

Loose to Spurrier? I would rather see them loose to Ga. Tech than to Spurrier. And then I couldn’t keep my grits and red-eye gravy down this a.m. when I learnt Spurrier had throwed off on the Dawgs and called them a average team and how beating them wasn’t nothing special. This Mark Richt may be a good white Christian man but he better start winning or he can go pray someplace else. Us good Christian rednecks won’t put up with no loosing team. I would rather see the Devil hisself coaching and winning than loose even with a preacher as a coach.

Anyway, what we need in Iraq is about 400,000 more troops and we can kick some butt like My President said we was already. No decent Southren person would want us to withdraw. You can mark my words, all the people on here wanting us to get out of Iraq are just sissy libruls. Far as I’m concerned, we need to capture all the towel heads and shave their beard and then hang them high after they watch us spit on their bible. That way their oil will belong to us and we can get cheap gas for a change.

I figure in about 17 years, just before my grandson little Sonny Zell George gets old enough to go in the army, we can call it quits cause there won’t be no towel heads left over there.

Anyway, it’s a shame so many soldiers are coming back in metal boxes but I don’t know none of them and that kind of makes it hurt less. Long as me and Sister Dusty is alive, we’ll keep cheering the war on.

I see TFTT kind of went off Saturday on a whole bunch of people. The poor man is crazy as a loon but leastwise he Thinks Right and that makes him OK in my book. I expect he will be going back for his treatment this week.

Have a good day everybody.

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

The people leaving Iraq are only leaving because they’ve received on of those invitations to a time share resort sales pitch in Syria. They’ll be back, azzholes.

By Lynn Rolf

September 10, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

I agree

By AmVet

September 10, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight, I think the biggest factor by FAR as regards American/Middle East relations is the 10000 pound elephant in the room - Israel.

Like Affirmative Action and corporate welfare, giving that nation zillions (actually I’ve seen estimates in the $1.6 trillion range) of dollars should be stopped and reduced to some sane, sensible level.

Why must we rely almost exclusively on propping up puppet governments and buying off thugs? We could instead treat Israel like everybody else, demonstrate some ability to not be so extremely one-sided and perhaps exercise some actual statesmanship. All of this would go an enormous way towards finding some common ground.

But in this age of chest beaters and neo-conservative militarism, though, I know that the chances are slim to none.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Are you forgetting that we were not in Afghanistan or Iraq when 911 hit. The terrorist will find any excuse to kill us( Military or civilian).

Are you forgetting that when we invaded Afghanistan we had backing from the majority of the Arab world? They were on our side against Bin Laden. Now however, those same countries are turning their backs on us because of Iraq. WAKE UP! We’re holding a dead man’s hand; let’s cash in and remove ourselves from this debacle.

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Remember, Operation Barbarosa was a surge too, and glowing reports of progress continued from the generals until the entire German army was captured.

The point here is that none of us know what’s really happening. The military assessments are useless because they’re self serving. The administration’s assessments are useless because they’ve lost all credibility.

The only person we can believe is Whoopie Goldberg……..D’OH!

By time for the leftist surrender m,onkeys to STFU

September 10, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

THE YELLOW BELLIED LEFTIST SURRENDER MONKEYS ARE BEATEN AND OUTWITTED BY BUSH!!

The delicious irony of all this is beyond freaking funny. Many of the cut and run scum, except for the abjectly treasonous completely brainwashed move your bowels.org filth, are furiously back pedalling and desperately trying not to look TO VOTERS like the complete snivelling worthless hate America cowards thay really are.

Bush’s and Petraeus’ leadership has turned things around in Iraq - obviously not completely - but more than enough to ensure that proper meaningful heavy political pressure can now be fully exerted on the weak lily livered venal towel heads masquerading as the Iraq govt.

Dealing with backward corrupt cowardly arabs is never easy, the craven yellow streak is always at least as wide as that which runs through the shameless sh!tpit of San Fran Sicko!! The ordinary Iraqis have been severely let down by their do bugger all govt. Time for these sullen proles to stand up and actually fight both the towel head fascists and murderous shiite death squads as many of their anonymous countrymen are quietly and unfussily doing.

Watching the leftist vermin now screech and screech impotently as their anal Bush Derangement Syndrome oozes out on the party of hate media cameras is going to be almost as much fun as watching both the gutless ‘Just three band aids and I can take my movie camera out of Nam’ gigilo Kerry and the deranged lying eco whacko nutter Albore both surrendering to Bush as beaten candidates.

WELL DONE TO BUSH (after finally and very belatedly changing the approach) AND THE TROOPS AND THEIR COMMANDERS!!

GFY TO THE APPEASING SURRENDER MONKEYS

By RCH

September 10, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

* DebbieDoRight*

Are you forgetting we also had the vote from most of the world when we liberated Kuwait from Saddam. But we where stopped short when we threatened to invade Iraq at that time. We should have finished the job then. The U.S must give the new government every opportunity to take control of their country. Now they have no excuses. It is now up to them where the chips will fall.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Oh and something that Redneck said on Saturday got me to thinking about my voter’s registration status. REMINDER if you have moved since the last election, even If you’ve moved within the same county in which you are registered to vote You must file a notice of your new address. This can be done by writing your county board of registrars’ office, or by submitting a new voter registration application.

Handel is trying to purge the rolls, (Remember Katherine Harris, Florida, 2000?); make sure your vote counts.

CALL YOUR LOCAL County Registrars Office; especially if you’re a registered Independent or Democrat.

Here’s the link:

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/elections/voterinformation/2000voter_info.asp

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Well, Redneck beat me to “it” this morning. He’s not down about the DAWGS. It’s that Monday morning hangover that bothers him. He can hardly drive the beer truck, ran over Sonny Zell’s tricycle and has to stop at the Court House about the last DUI.

But he is right about one thing. I’m not a cut’n’run liberal (like RedNeck). As long as the troops are fighting a war to free Iraqis and keep terrorism from setting up housekeeping in Iraq, I will support the Commander-in-chief and the troops. And…goooo Petraeus!!

Poor ol RedNeck, trying to play both sides of the game. It is tough being a lib and try to act like a …..well….a patriot. For a lib, that takes a lot of practice.

By time to crash that stolen fantasy beer lorry inbred redNEKKK

September 10, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

come on inbred redneKKK - crash that beer lorry and finally put us out of our cyber misery!!!

U sad little unfunny as aborted foreskin yanKKKee turd!!

By getalife

September 10, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

So, what will we win in Iraq?

Nothing, just wasted lives and a trillion.

Shame.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

RCH: But we where stopped short when we threatened to invade Iraq at that time. We should have finished the job then.

We weren’t stopped short; George Bush the Elder, (and wiser), knew that to topple Hussein would be tantamount to shooting yourself in the head. As we now know, he was correct.

AmVet: I’m up in the air about Israel. On the one hand, I can understand why America has aligned itself with Israel, Israel is the strongest nation (militarily) in the Middle East. On the other hand, we send billions of dollars to Isarel, but what are we getting back for our money? Will Israel come to the aid of the US in a crisis? These questions have not yet been answered; and probably never will.

By Southern Democrat

September 10, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten, I don’t understand. How could we possibly be accused of embracing defeat when the Mission was Accomplished?

By jm

September 10, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

RCH - two points, we were in Iraq at the time of 9/11 (the no fly zones were in Iraqi air space). As for Gulf War I, if we decided to invade Iraq and topple the government there, we would have done so with the support of only Britain, Israel and probably Kuwait. Also, instead of being bankrolled by the Saudis, it would have come out of the US Treasury (just like now).

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Let’s try that again:

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/elections/voterinformation/2000voter_info.asp

By Curious Observer

September 10, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Why bother worrying about or even reading the Petraeus report? We can already project what it is going to say. We need to “stay the course” and the surge is working and maybe at some point in the next ten years we can start drawing down troops but for now we may be able to send a brigade home in the next six to ten months.

There will be the usual moaning and groaning about the lack of political reconciliation. The al Malaki government will be labeled as ineffectual, but just to avoid hard feelings, our president will make yet another trip to Iraq to reassure the said al Malaki that he has our full support.

And a few boneheads will be making the tired old argument that “we need to fight them over there so we won’t have to fight them over here.” Meanwhile, bin Laden & Co. will be laughing at us, as we continue to lose what we gained in Afghanistan because our combat forces are bogged down in Iraq.

Meanwhile, Shia will continue to slay Sunnis and Sunnis will retaliate, while the Kurds will continue to want nothing to do with the Iraqi government. In the end, after the loss of 15,000 American lives, the slaughter of 800,000 Iraqis, and the self-imposed exile of another five million Iraqis, Iraq will finally resolve into three factional governments, with a weak national government—just as Joe Biden proposed more than a year ago. We will be left with nothing to show for our loss of blood and treasure, except for the undying enmity of the Iraqis and the Iranians.

Could I have some of what the “stay the course” proponents are smoking?

By RCH

September 10, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Jm and Debbiedoright

It is a tough call. I think it would have been an easier sell invading and defeating an enemy who has just invaded another country and perpetrating genocide than the reasons given for BushII invasion.

Many armies from other countries participated in the first Gulf war. I believe many would ave gone along with the invasion even some other Arab counties had they been aloud to spearhead the campaign and shared in the occupation.

By time for the truth

September 10, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

The very awkward truth for liberals about gun grabbers and crime is again revealed here

[Take the whose your US Presidential candidate? calculator test here.] (http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/09/here-a-link-to-.html)

Amazingly mine (rather unacceptably) came up 100% Romney, with Tancredo sadly only a poor 91%. And Rudy a distant 80%.

By .

September 10, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article2409817.ece

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2007/09/here-a-link-to-.html

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

One of the many ways the “Fiscal” Conservatives like to blow tax payer’s money:

Then proceed to prosecute her for being a bad cook. This should waste at leat 25K of tax payers’ money!! Such a fine, fiscal, conservative bunch we have here in Gwinette.

HINT TO CONSERVS: Most establishments will either give you your money back, OR give you a new sandwich if you complain about the food. Jailing the cook just makes you look stupid AND power corrupted.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

I will agree with you on this one.What makes this officer better than the rest of us. Next time I get food that is to salty, spicy, or undercooked , I will call the police and charge the establishment with reckless conduct. Since I don’t wear a blue uniform do you think I will get anywhere?

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Southern Democrat, 10:01

We did accomplish our first mission,i.e. to overthrow Saddam and check his imperialistic desires. We also clarified the WMD information which seems to have been false.

Now the mission is to stabilize Iraq into a self governing nation without dictatorship. I gather you think that is unimportant.

Perhaps you could tell us why Democrats seem so disinterested in winning this last mission. Nevermind the “I hate war” statements and our “boys” want to come home. We know that since it is true in every war.

I don’t need to ask whether Democrats hate President Bush so much they are willing to lose this conflict. It is obvious. Perhaps you can explain why politics mean more to Democrats than success for our country.

By jm

September 10, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

RCH - sorry to disappoint you but one of the conditions the Saudis and the Arab League gave for joining in the coalition for the first Gulf War was that it was to only be used to drive Iraq out of Kuwait and not be used to topple Saddam. While they loathed, despised and feared Saddam, they loathed, despised and feared Iran more. If Saddam were to be toppled, it would lead to an Iraq ruled by its Shia majority, allied with Iran (sound familiar?). The first President Bush realized that in order to have any legitimacy in the Arab world, he needed them to join in his coalition. Otherwise, it would look like a western power invading and occupying an arab country, which in case you have not noticed, does not fly to well in that part of the world.

By getalife

September 10, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

They should ask the scab fake General, what will we win and is it worth the lives and the trillion?

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Next time I get food that is to salty, spicy, or undercooked , I will call the police and charge the establishment with reckless conduct

LMAO!! OR we could do like they did in the wild west and have the cook shot at dawn…..

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Next time I get food that is to salty, spicy, or undercooked , I will call the police and charge the establishment with reckless conduct

LMAO!! OR we could do like they did in the wild west and have the cook shot at dawn…..

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

RCH: Many armies from other countries participated in the first Gulf war.

Also, remember that first Gulf war was sanctioned by the UN; the second was not. We, the US, arrogantly stated that we’d do it alone if we had to; now it seems that by 2008 that’s just what we’ll be doing.

By time for the truth

September 10, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

This pathetic corrupt power crazed cop who was too thickaspigshit and arrogant to just return a bad burger WHICH WAS FREE ANYWAY is an excellent example of why police were sometimes called pigs back in the 60’s. Its an outrage and complete abuse of power.

This PIG is the one indulging in reckless conduct. A power crazed little Hitler who needs to be very swiftly kicked off the force!!

This moron took TWO bites - surely one is enough to tell if something is OK to eat!!

If you read this you sad little facist dogturd … GFY!!!

It is outrageous that cops get free meals - that smacks of corruption!!

Hope that was direct enough!!

By RCH

September 10, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

JM

Having done some in depth reading on the situation ,much information on the aftermath of the first Gulf war was sweep ed under the table. In has come to light that Kuwait, the United Eeriest, and Egypt would have joined the coalition in a full drive to topple the Saddam government, with the understanding of shared control and resurrection of a bilateral Iraq. It would have been better than anything we have now.

By Lily Toad

September 10, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

To answer Jim’s question — no, I don’t think Petraeus’ report will change the minds of the US people. If we are in favor of withdrawal, we will still be. If we’re in favor of staying until forever, we still will be. Ossama binLaden’s call for conversion and leaving Iraq have nothing to do with it. Why should we listen to a mass murderer? Why should he even be given a forum?

By getalife

September 10, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!Bin Laden’s back, and Bush is to blame!

Geez.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Well, see ya’ later..

Libs have gone to condemning the police now and worrying about salty hamburgers.

I guesss that is better than liberal Dems knocking the President and the military and wanting to lose the war all the time.

By jm

September 10, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

RCH - I was working for the Dept. of Defense during the first Gulf War. Most of the plans related to toppling Saddam had him being replaced by one of his generals, basically “Saddam-lite”. The best case scenario had him being toppled in a coup. The worst case, well look at Iraq now. The end result would be another Sunni dictator that could be used as a counter-weight to Iran. There is no way any of the countries you mentioned would have gone along with replacing Saddam with a shia.

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

A great big CONGRATS to DebbieDoRight with the way she “stuffed voting facts” to WooHooten on Saturday. It got so bad for him, he could only resort to the typical refrain of calling everyone a “liberal.” On today’s subject, many in the active military call Gen Petraeus “Gen. Betray Us.” If anyone recalls, the General said last year that this effort was a three-legged stool; security, political reconciliation and training of the Iraq Army/Police. Baghdad is not secure as the Madr Army runs the city and is purging Sunnis from the city; Anbar province is quite because the Sunni’s are getting rid of al Qaeda while we arm the local militia; the Kurds have become more aggressive in their quest for their “own” homeland causing problems with Turkey. Political reconciliation of the government is a joke; the training of the Iraq Army has taken nearly four years and they still cannot/will not fight stand alone; the Iraq Commission has recommended that the Iraqi National Police be disbanded as they are surrogates of the Shiite factions and NO ONE trusts them. Now, how does one expect Gen. Petraeus to testify other than be supportive of the Bush policy that attempts to rewrite history, therefore leaving this quagmire for the next President. How will Dubya explain what is going on with the economy and the potential of a Recession? The Bureau of Labor and Statistics has on its website numbers indicating that 77 million Americans are unemployed out of a population of 300 million. The “official” unemployment rate of 4.5 percent is an estimate of those individuals who are eligible to receive unemployment compensation and are actively seeking unemployment. If we make some assumptions about the numbers being unemployed and say that 50% of that number are teenagers and part-time workers, we still have an actual unemployment rate of roughly 17%, numbers like that of the Great Depression. Dubya has robbed, cheated and stole from all of us.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

RCH: In has come to light that Kuwait, the United Eeriest, and Egypt would have joined the coalition in a full drive to topple the Saddam government, with the understanding of shared control and resurrection of a bilateral Iraq

Hey, share that data — I have never seen or read what you’re talking about before. Please provide a link OR if you got your info from a book, provide the book title. I’m sure they must have it at the library. Thanks!

By Southern Democrat

September 10, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

I am tired of arguing about Iraq. I just want out. It is the moral thing to do. It will not signal our vulnerability any more than Vietnam opened the door to global communism (though strangely, while we won the Cold War, our major rival is a communist country).

I don’t want to hear about destablization, the surge, Shias v. Sunnis v. Kurds v. former Baaths v. Madr v. agents of Iran v. Sadr, I just want us OUT.

This has nothing to do with me hating Bush or Cheney or anyone else, nor am I a coward, I just cannot stand the pointless waste of time and blood that we as a country have tolerated for OVER FOUR YEARS.

I humbly request that those who think we should still be in Iraq to take a minute tomorrow and think back to the days and weeks after 9/11. Think about how we were all united and how we were going to get through this together, lean on one another, rally the world, and punish those who attacked us. Now, ask yourself, in ALL HONESTY, did you really think, in the aftermath, that we would invade IRAQ?

I don’t care how, I don’t care what rationale we cook up (we fabricated reasons for going in, why can’t we to get out), JUST GET US OUT!!!

By getalife

September 10, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

“About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military “surge” of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.”

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,11:49

You are already “out of it”. I see you really don’t care about the outcome.

I am glad we have a president stronger than you. You have given the most honest answer to date from Democrats. YOU JUST WANT OUT OF IT. You don’t want to resist terrorism. You want us to forget losing and chaos.

I am sad for you. An American too tired to fight for liberty.

Well, lie down and play dead, Democrat. The rest of us will not give up with you.

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September 10, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

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By RCH

September 10, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

I will get you the correct name and title of the book that I purchased. You may not find it in the Library. It deal sin depth with decisions made before, during and after the first Gulf war.

One interesting tidbit from the book includes statements made by then Gen. Powell concerning the aftermath of the “convoy of tears” that the American and other members of the coalition would not tolerate further destruction of this magnitude and it was now the time for a formal surrender from Iraq.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

What I don’t understand about this whole scenario is if the Iraqi PM has publicly stated he doesn’t need the US he has “other” friends, then why are we still there?

It’s like someone saying, “I’m just not that in to you and I really want your best friend Dan”; yet you’re still claiming to be their girlfriend.

How many ways must the Iraqis find to tell us to get lost?

BTW Thanks Jackie!!

By RCH

September 10, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight You now how politics are. They say one thing to appease one group but I am sure that behind the scene he would have a duck if he was informed we where leaving.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Another thing that’s funny, judging by the cheerleader’s post, is how some repuglicans have the gall to question Democrats loyalty when 65% of the Dems in Congress and the Senate have served in the military and/or gone to war. Compared to, what, 20% of the repuglicans? (And that includes Dumbya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and friends).

If anyone is “cut and runners” then it’s the repugs. Some of them were even too afraid to put on the military uniform; at least Dumbya did do that!

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

RCH: They need to “appease” the hand that feeds them — not trying to gnaw it off at the bone.

By Dennis

September 10, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Mr. Wooten writes; “Most of us are inclined to reject Osama bin Laden’s instructions to leave Iraq….”

C’mon, Mr. Wooten, even an unlearned journalist knows by now that Bush shouldn’t have invaded Iraq in the first place.

“And we’re not willing to embrace defeat.”

Shades of Nixon/Kissinger…how many more soldiers must we lose to this contrived war in order for Bush to get out with “an honorable peace”?

“So we’ll stick with the commander in the field.”

Not “we”, Mr. Wooten. You neocons have lied so many times that no one believes you any more, and that will go for Petreaus and his politically favorable report as well.

Our military is in one hell of a fix when it has to play dishonest politics and literally cause the unnecessary deaths of American soldiers.

You just keep in mind, Mr. Wooten, you’re playing a part in their deaths too. Is it worth that much to you to be a neocon journalist?

You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

By time for the truth

September 10, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

ZEITGEIST UPDATE

The second part is the insane paranoid lie about how the twin towers were not brought down by the towel head hijackers and the hijacked planes.

Supposedly six of the nineteen towel 9/11 heads are still alive…

DAMN SHAME - as the first section on religion is just superb!!!

By RCH

September 10, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight You will find that the average age of Congressman is 55 and Senators is 60. Many of the WWII Senators have long retired and the backend of Vietnam vet. lawmakers are about to pass that mark.

In today’s politics military service does not play as large as a role as it once has. You will find a shrinking population of vet. politicians in the next 25 years. Also with the growing number of women in the Congress this number will become even smaller.

By Repetitions of Dusty

September 10, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty, why don’t you go lay down for awhile? Every 10 minutes or so, someone will blog “Bush good, strong man, War good, Democrats bad, Why do they hate America” for you. It will be just like you’re here doing it yourself.

By Southern Democrat

September 10, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Like a schoolyard bully, you mistake frustration and intelligence for weakness. Your ilk’s closemindedness has brought America to the brink of losing its standing as a superpower in the world because you are too intellectually lazy to question when and where to use military force and how to effectively use diplomacy.

True cowardice is the inability to admit mistakes… it is closely linked to hubris and you are guilty of both.

The blood of the thousands dead and wounded in this war is upon us all because we did not have the courage to stand up and say enough is enough sooner to the most incompetent leadership I have seen in my lifetime.

Your continued support of this administration’s bellicose policies coupled with insolent ignorance simply demonstrates to all who know you that you are willing to put politics above all else. You yourself have stated that you did not accord the Clinton administration the same blind fealty you grant Bush during either the successful intervention in Kosovo or the missile attacks against al Qaeda.

Therefore, I will continue to listen respectfully to you on matters other than national security, but in the realm of foreign affairs and war, you have ZERO credibility with me. Zip, None, Nada, Zilch.

Much like our current leadership.

By getalife

September 10, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Funny how the only gop candidate that wants to get OBL is McOldandgrumpy.

GFH(Good for him).

Geez.

By D. Carver

September 10, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

By RCH

September 10, 2007 9:27 AM

Osama may be the current face of terrorism now, but even when he is eliminated a new fanatic will take his place.I agree we must place stong pressure on governments that fund or harbor individuals that fund these terrorist.

RCH, if you take a few of your klavern buds over there and burn a few crosses in some yards, this thing should be over and done with in a matter of minutes.

By Aquagirl

September 10, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

All this yammering means nothing; if you bother to look at readiness reports, we don’t have the manpower to stay in Iraq. It’s not a matter of ideology. It’s a matter of resources. Iraqi security depends on Iraqis, not Americans. And they ain’t doing squat if the National Police need to be disbanded.

If all the chickenhawks would go enlist we’d be able to stay in Iraq until the second coming of Jesus. Only idiots like Dusty think we can keep sending the soldiers back for 3,4,5 combat tours, or rush units back to Iraq with inadequate training and supplies. Supporting the troops means understanding what they can and can’t do, regardless of how much posturing or blustering you want to do.

So Bushites can keep yapping, they might as well be talking tough about defeating the law of gravity.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrat,1:07

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? You said several times that you wanted “out” of this war. Cowardice by any name is still called cut’n’running for which you have offered every excuse in the world.

If you want to call the fight against terrorism “bellicose policies”, go ahead. We are fighting bellicose enemies in case you haven’t noticed.

I did not ask for your approval or credibility or anything else. In fact, I state my opinions and don’t change them to suit you.

If you want to act so high and mighty, don’t use the word “ilk”. That is too commonly used by bully fundamentalist liberals. I am sure you do not place yourself in that category so don’t use their vocabulary.

I must go. May be back. May not.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Southern Democrate

Your continued support of this administration’s bellicose policies coupled with insolent ignorance simply demonstrates to all who know you that you are willing to put politics above all else.

That’s like the pot calling the kettle black! What high ranking Democratic leader said out loud that if the U.S wins in Iraq our party is in trouble?

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Poor ol’ Aquagirl,1:26

Still trying to be a general. I believe General Petraeus has enough help. He’ll call you if he needs you.

By Pumpkins Fan

September 10, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

ZEITGEIST UPDATE

Tracks 5, 6, and 7 totally rock! This may be their best CD yet. Fifteen smackers well spent.

By Aquagirl

September 10, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Anybody who wants to be “in” a war is nuts. Confusing blind aggression for strength is common among those with simple minds or strange issues about being beaten up in the 2nd grade.

Oh, wait, that was Dusty-bot. Nuts is normal for it. And isn’t it flip-flopping to say you may or may not be back? C’mon, make up your mind.

I’m most certainly leaving. This issue is such a dead horse. Wooten and others will continue to cling to their sinking ship, why bother arguing with people who live in Fantasyland?

By Redneck Convert

September 10, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Well, I see the godly Sen. Craig is trying to take his guilty plea back. I hope he makes it. Its just a shame what the libruls drag up about good Christian people. Anybody could of stuck his foot three feet over into the next bathroom stall and axidently hit somebody elses shoe. Next thing you know the libruls will be accusing godly Republicans of chasing teenagers or something.

I’m sorry to see Sister Dusty is accusing me of being a librul. And a Northren one at that. The poor woman needs to give up the booze and get her head on straight. And TFTT keeps wanting me to crash my beer truck and burn up in it. I forgive him the same way I forgive other people that need treatment. I know it ain’t nice to be mad at head cases.

Anyway, when I was making deliverys at Billy Bob’s this a.m. I saw parts of this General Betray Us testimony. He sure was making a good case for more war. He fixed the libruls wagon.

Well, on to the restocking. The Baptists about emptyed all the stock of booze this weekend. My back will probly be sore by the time I get back to the trailer.

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Amazing how Dusty continues to use the term “cowards” to refer to anyone that she does not agree with. This sounds like the new pejorative the neo-cons have coined to try and make their detractors defensive. Poor attempt at disarming your opponents when their own “leaders” have not been military members themselves.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

No Jackie,@1:50

I apply “cowards” only to people who want to be “out of it”, who want to cut and run, and others who fill that category.

Our President has been in the military which you are delicately trying to say he hasn’t. Subtle!! Only it is a big lie. (I call people who lie “liars” and I call people who cut’n’run “cowards”.) No innuendo. Just the truth. It seems to offend you.

By Sticks & stones from STOOPID

September 10, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Your willingness for OTHER people to die saving your President’s face does not make YOU “brave.” Our wish that needless dying in a pointless war stop does not make us cowards. My daddy flew fighter planes in the Alabama National Guard and Reserves in the early 70’s (after serving full-time for more than a decade), and he never saw the Bush boy neither. Doesn’t know a single soul who saw him there. Go stuff a cheesecake down your gullet, whydoncha, and kill yourself a little faster. Nothing you say is worth the calories you expend to type it.

By jm

September 10, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

Well, Dusty, you felt that you could not support President Clinton because you detested his morals. I cannot support President Bush because I believe him and his administration to be completely incompetent.

No matter how long the surge continues, the results are pretty much determined. The north is going to become an independent Kurdistan, the trick will be whether or not they learn to live with the Turks to the north. The rest of the country is going to be split along shia - sunni lines, with the shia being allied with (not subservient to) Iran and the sunni being allied with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Some things once they are broken, cannot be put back together. The illusion that was Iraq is going to disappear, unless like Saddam, we want to hold it together at gunpoint.

By DebbieDoRight

September 10, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

A coward is a person too dense to see that the President, this war, this ADMINISTRATION is corrupt.

A COWARD will close their eyes to the truth because they fear it.

A COWARD does not seek knowledge; they run away from any intelligent conversation and hide behind words like “cut and run” and “liberal”.

A COWARD does not wish for you to see his/her cowardice. So they maintain a false bravado and swagger to try to become something that they are not —— Brave.

A COWARD will not stray from their chosen path, because they are AFRAID of what’s on the other side. Even if they’re going the wrong way, they’d rather go the wrong way than ADMIT that they don’t know what they hell they’re doing.

A COWARD loves to call others cowards; they feel if they say it enough, if they shout it out loud to the heavens, if they keep repeating the word, perhaps they can somehow gain the upperhand and then the power from their opponent by weakening their opponent’s resolve.

A COWARD supports Dumbya; because they are too afraid and too stupid to do anything else.

By getalife

September 10, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Told ya, they have to draw down.

No extended duty again and sure the troops are happy about that.

Stay the course with more wasted lives and billions.

Yea w.

Meanwhile, OBL is living large planning his next attack.

Geez.

By J

September 10, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

If any of you actually believe the Petraeus report is anything other than political theatre or, perhaps more accurately, a puppet show, you’re delusional, ignorant, or just plain dumb. Or some combination of all three. We all knew what was going to happen in Magical September, when we suddenly Know The Way Forward - more of the same crap from the incompetent idiots who are trying to run out the clock and evade any real responsibility for the humanitarian disaster they have created.

It would be nice if we could “leave it to the generals” to decide on how to proceed, except that the Decider fires any generals who don’t toe the party line. So we get more stay-the-course rhetoric, and an insistence that (yet again!) we have to wait six months before we can REALLY evaluate things. And, in the meanwhile, would the taxpayers please pony up several billions more dollars and STFU if our opinion differs from the president? Everything about Iraq has been an unqualified disaster - and you can deny it, but that just makes you a liar or an idiot.

PS - don’t bother bringing up that cut’n’run BS (yes, this is aimed at you Dusty), because I opposed the invasion even before it happened on the grounds that Iraq wasn’t related to our pressing security needs AND that the invasion/occupation would be vastly more difficult than the pro-war crowd insisted. And, as it turns out, I was RIGHT.

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

You do not have the ability, nor the capacity to offend me! What you do is use innuendo and half-truths to try and build a credible argument to your thesis. I do not have tried to use subterfuge concerning Dubya. He was in the Air National Guard; he did not complete his training as he does not have a pilot’s license. I do have issues with you and the others that call folks cowards because you do not agree with them. Look on your side of politics and count those of your own politics who have been a part of the military? You say they want to “cut and run” from the illegal and immoral war in Iraq. I contend that you should want to do the same as our stated enemy - Osama Bin Laden - is in Pakistan/Afghanistan. Ask yourself the question, how many able-bodied Americans, men or women, would not do what they could to fight this man in a military environment? The question on the table is, how many neo-cons have supported an invasion of Afghanistan/Pakistan to find Osama? How many of the neo-cons have volunteered to fight in the Iraqi occupation? Being “out of it” is something that should be a priority with any of us. What cost/benefit does Iraqi offer this country? How much is it costing in treasure and lives? How will we meet our future financial obligations? How will our children prosper if they owe the Chinese hundrededs of thousands of dollars in future payments? The list goes on and on and on. Where does rational thought begin to take hold to realize that this Administration is out of control and criminal in it’s actions against the citizens of the country and the Constitution of the USA? I ask you Dusty, who do we turn to to protect the citizens from the government of the USA?

By Repetitions of Dusty

September 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Bush good strong man War is good Democrats cowards Why do they want to cut and run

How’d I do, Dusty? Does that cover it for you?

By Lily Toad

September 10, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

jm, saying Bush’s administration is incompetent is just a start. I find his morality lacking. He started an immoral war; he grandstanded over Terri Schavio’s case, using a brain-dead woman as a political prop; he permitted illegal wiretaps; sanctions torture; kept prisoners without legal recourse; and has interfered with women’s reproductive rights. I admit Clinton’s sexual morality is poor, but his actions are minor compared to the war crimes and abolition of rights perpetuated by Bush and cronies.

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

Gen. Petraeus just testified that he has begun to draw down Marines and an Army brigade. Do you label him a coward or is he “cutting and running?” Help the conversation, please!!!

By Mythbuster

September 10, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

For all of you who have an open mind (non Jews, non Muslims and non Christians), the first 35 minutes of the movie Zeitgeist is definitely well worth watching.

Although I was familiar with much of the material, I have never seen a more cohesive, thorough and compelling argument to dismiss Judeo Christianity as a near complete rip off of ancient Egyptian religions and the zodialogical calendar.

From the flood of Gilgamesh, to the near identical tales of Sargon (2250BC) as a model for Moses, to the 10 commandments being Joe Bidened right from the Egyptian Songs of the Dead, the Big Three are unmistakably just the latest in a long series of nearly identical, discredited mythologic attempts to explain the world by men unknowing of reason, ration, logic and science.

Baptism, an afterlife, final judgment, virgin birth, death and resurrection, crucifixion, ark of the covenant, circumcision, savior figures, holy communion, great flood, Easter, Christmas and Passover all plagiarized straight from ancient Egypt.

I myself am a big fan of Aphrodite though. That babe, like the Romans themselves, rocked!

And for the same reasons, who couldn’t dig that fox, Helen, daughter of Zeus?

By getalife

September 10, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

I love Bush!

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Osama’s beard is the key to understand the surrender fleas. Iraq’s surge timetable should match the time it takes for a fully developed muslim beard to grow, about six weeks.

If we can just figure out how the indians managed to exist for 10K years without ever growing any facial hair, we can win this thing.

If not, we’re finished.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Jackie,3:05

Ohh, the crazies are out today. Jackie wants to call General Petraeus, originator of the “surge”, a cut and runner and coward.

Woohoo!! Is the moon full or something? I tell you. There’s going to be someone on here howling next. Halloween is coming early this year. The libs are already acting like pouty pumpkins.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Lily Toad

Like I said in my earlier blog today,we should have ended the war in the first Desert Storm. But the term “war crimes” is stinging it a little far.

We can sit here all day and ponder if this effort was justified. Unforuntely only history will be an accurate judge of this war.I am sure 60 years ago nobody would have thought as Japan as a Democracy.

By Dusty needs to take a bath

September 10, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Doom can smell you through his computer.

By getalife

September 10, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

I do love bush.

“If you take a look at the latest CBS poll, one startling finding stands out:

“Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?”

Yes 33 No 58

Not surprisingly, this correlates very closely to support for the war. In other words, only the moron dead-enders who still believe Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 continue to support the war. If they insist on clinging to the fiction of Saddam’s involvement, they ain’t gonna change their minds on the war itself. All rational human beings have concluded it’s time to get the heck out.

The dooming down of America.

Geez.

By Lily Toad

September 10, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in an offensive war is a war crime in my mind. Offensive as in unjustified, in that Iraq never attacked us or threatened us. Before you state what a terrible person Saddam was, remember we were not sold the war on “we need to take out this terrible dictator who is killing his political opponents.”

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

I really gave you more credit than you deserve. I don’t think you can read. I pointed out to you that Gen. Petraeus has stated he plans to remove a Marine brigade at the end of the month and an Army battalion by the end of the year. The question to you, do YOU now label him a coward and does he have the “cut and run” label? Wake up!!!

By Will Jones

September 10, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Today, on Capitol Hill, Ike Skelton, Armed Svcs Comm Chair, recalled a helicopter flight in Iraq with Petraeus on which Petraeus said he didn’t have “enough troops to guard ammo dumps” and that “it might come back to bite us,” and Petraeus admitted it. Not enough brains to simply blow up that which we could not protect? This is where all the explosives for “IED’s” killing thousands of our troops, came from. Bush did 9-11. Any officer following that traitorous homosexual is violating The Oath…or is a pathetic moron. Death for Treason.

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Iraq DID cause 911. That’s the big secret that Cheney classified cause if the American People knew, they would demand we nuke China, and then we’d all be keeled.

No, Bush is right, we need to just stay in Iraq and fight and fight until the last chinese guy is chased back into korea.

Then, and only then, can we be sure that every vestige of al queda has been wiped from the face of the earth.

I’m for Bush’s surge, and the army’s extended stay in Iraq, for at least for fifty more generations of americans until we win. We just cant let Saddam get away with 911, we just cant.

The dang Iraqis are laughing at us, and when 911 happened, they were dancing in the street. We need to get even with Saddam and his horrid hoards of Iraqis.

Viva la Surge!!

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Doom @ 3:27

I was going to say something about your puppy—->his fire hydrant—->your computer. But I won’t.

“A rose by any other name still smells as sweet.”

By Dusty likes Doom

September 10, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

I know you wish you could have me. Its too late. @@ has beaten you to the punch. Try getalife, I hear he’s giving up on men and wants to go straight.

By RCH

September 10, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

* getalife* You can spin like a top.I don’t think anybody has ever stated that Saddam was personally responsible for 911.(Planning or implementing) But it is known that he provided training areas, sanctuary, medical care, and funds for terrorists I would not be surprised to learn that some of these elements found themselves indirectly to the 911 conspirators.

Lily Toad You listen to John Edwards to much. The current death toll stands at about 70K according to the U.N. Most of those deaths were inflicted by their own people , not the American Army.If I remember correctly, It was Iraq that invaded Kuwait to whoms defense we came. After the surrender of Iraq, measures were put in place to neutralize that country. Measures that were not followed giving a clear mandate to eliminate Saddam.

By getalife

September 10, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

The first of many lies spewed today:

“Petraeus today before Congress:

When I testified in January, for example, no one would have dared to forecast that Anbar Province would have been transformed the way it has in the past 6 months.

What Petraeus said 6 months ago at his confirmation hearing (via CQ, subscription only link):

“You’ve seen it, I know, in Anbar province, where it has sort of gone back and forth. And right now, there appears to be a trend in the positive direction where sheiks are stepping up, and they do want to be affiliated with and supported by the U.S. Marines and Army forces who are in Anbar province. That was not the case as little as perhaps six months ago, or certainly before that.”

There will be a book. Looks like the Moveon.org article was correct.

Geez.

By Repetitions of Dusty

September 10, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Good one, Dusty @ 3:21. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Almost as articulate and just as substantial as what Dubya has to say on the matter.

By Will Jones

September 10, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Wake up, America. Larry Craig and Bush aren’t the only homosexual hypocrites running Washington. Bush did 9-11. Read “The New Pearl Harbor,” by Dr. David Ray Griffin, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Logic, watch “Loose Change” on Google Video before you have to pay in the theaters, and watch Norman Mineta’s testimony of his witness to Cheney’s stand-down order in the command bunker on 9-11.

Petraeus failed to blow up the ammo dumps. Bush did 9-11. It is in our interests that stupid traitors be punished…but that’s redundant: treason is stupid.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Jackie,3:38 And I gave you credit for having a brain. Wrong!

If you don’t know the difference between a general making plans and Jane Fonda types running backwards, then it is pointless to waste rational statements here. So I won’t.

Go play with Will Jones 3:40. He doesn’t have a brain either.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Doom,3:49

getalife is prtty cute after they feed him but your puppy is probably cuter than both of you geezers.

By Speedy

September 10, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Brittany Spears last night gave me an idea about how we can win in Iraq. If we can convince the suicide jihadists that the 72 virgin reward includes only girls who look like Brittany now, then we may have nothing to worry about ever again.

No fatah chicks!

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

You can try to spew all the invectives you have in your arsenal,but, it WILL NOT change the fact that you are wrong and you are publicly stating the errors of your ways. I will not get into name-calling with you, as I have some choice things I could lay out for you! The fact of the matter is, we have an Administration that is only concerned with burnishing their legacy while American soldiers are killed. What does this do for the safety of the citizens of the USA? I ask you, as a supporter of this policy, what benefits does Dubya’s plan offer this country, of which we are all citizens? Please try to stay on point as I do not want to play the name-game with you because you would lose!

By Repetitions of Dusty

September 10, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 4:20, you tell them. In fact, tell them you haven’t been wasting rational statements on this blog since you joined it.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Jackie, 4:33

No need for me to repeat my 4:20. It still stands true.

By AmVet

September 10, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Things just keep getting better and better for the neo-conservatives.

On again, off again, Senator “wide stance” Craig is now withdrawing his guilty plea and the neo-con ship sinks a tad lower in the water.

The Republican “leadership” must be absolutely elated about this dummy’s desperately trying to keep his mug on the national stage and keeping GOP scandals and immorality on everyone’s radar!

You just couldn’t write this kind of stuff.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Repetie @4:35

I have been wasting time and rational statements here. I must do better. You know..don’t cast your pearls before swine and all that..

PS Are you also known as Little Sir Echo? I haven’t seen anything original from you.

By Jackie

September 10, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

@Dusty,

Apparently you don’t know whether to scratch your watch or wind your @$$. You make all those inane, unsubstantiated statements about Dubya and try to use invective and pejoratives to solidify your point. Dubya and his policies are criminal and you are one of the many sheep that foolish follow him over the cliff. Jump high, as this may give you ample time to reconsider your thoughts. Don’t worry about the fall, it’s the landing that is rough! Good Luck.

By Repetitions of Dusty

September 10, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Check the name. Repetitions. That’s what you do. Repeat, reload, repeat the same nonsense over and over. You have been wasting our time with your irrational support of a man who has led this country astray in so many ways they can’t even be counted. You, Laura and his dog continue to support him unconditionally. Good for you, not so good for our military and the country as a whole. But you continue to be strong. After all, the definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result. You go, girl.

By catlady

September 10, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Bravo to Southern Democrat and Aquagirl.

It seems apparent that we are running low on combat troops. Anyone who thinks we should stay in Iraq has 72 hours to join up and bring all family members 18-45 years old with them to resupply the troops. No deferments; it’s “money (your life) where your mouth is” time. We will ask the armed forces to give you a “quickie” lesson in getting ready, arm you with poor equipment, and send you on over to continue. After you serve one tour, we’ll let you come home for a couple of months and then send you back. I think your input after a second or third tour will be helpful.

It seems like to me Someone is having trouble separating the things that are Our Responsibility from those that are Not Our Responsibility. Time for the Iraqis to grow up and be men. And time for us to quit the charade (except for those valiant war supporters who will flood the military recruitment centers, like they have been doing the last few years). They can continue on to VICTORY, and we will all praise them or their remains.

This war has been a case of “Let’s you and him fight.” Meanwhile, certain people are wrapping themselves in our flag and laughing all the way to the bank.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Amvet 4;46

Yes, you are correct. We certainly do not want Sen. Craig to have to get before a jury and explain “the meaning of ‘is’” and “I did not have sex..” and all that stuff. I mean he might even lose his right to practice law. Now that would just make the ship sink almost to impeachment, wouldn’t it?

Ah. all those memories of not long ago. Glad you brought that up, Amvet. Craig should get up and go and not make a fuss before a jury.

By GodHatesTrash

September 10, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Senator Craig, it’s not the “media’s” fault you like sodomy with other men in public restrooms.

Trash.

By TW

September 10, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty - Your inability to see the difference between Clinton and Craig explains quite a bit about your Republican party. Try doing it with the lights on…or maybe an anatomy class at the community college.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Poor Rep,5:02

After reading all day long the pathetic farewell notes liberals write about our country , YOU DO NOT NOTICE them.

Oh yeah, a few words about winning for our great country and the unhappy liberal posts bounce off this screen like raindrops on a windshield.

Like Catlady, NO SIR, we don’t want anybody “wrapped in the flag” because someone might think we are….shhhh…patriotic.

I am not “politically correct”. I am patriotic. It rubs liberals the wrong way. They want to cut’n’run in peace and approval. They want OUT. They want to LOSE this war to show their patriotism and I DO NOT.

So echo that, ms. originality. You are just like the other runners you so admire. Got yout running shoes on?

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

TW @ 5:25

I didn’t mention Clinton. Maybe you would like to explain why you thought of him?

For your information, I have had an anatomy class at a university. Maybe you should try a bit of “schooling” yourself. Try an ethics class.

By AmVet

September 10, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Dusty, as usual you choose to fail to see THE relevant point. And yes, I agree that based on many of your cogent writings that you are devoted to the cause of justice. Even if it is all ex-President Clinton’s fault, right?

Wouldn’t even you agree that United States Senators should be men who can intelligently make extremely important decisions based on the best available information and live by the results?

Or do you prefer men who are so just plain dumb that they think they can plead guilty to a crime “they didn’t commit” and it’s JUST GOING TO GO AWAY?!!!

Who could even conceive of such a thing? I’m serious! And that’s what I meant by the GOP leaders being thrilled with this fool.

Even the most arrogant of these powerful men can’t get way with some stupidity, Dusty! And even you and the most blind of American mice can’t pretend to not see it.

Here’s an idea, move to Idaho and write him in on the next ballot. I’m sure you could still find a handful of masochistic nutjobs who want this guy being linked to them.

By catlady

September 10, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Wouldn’t even you agree that United States Senators should be men who can intelligently make extremely important decisions based on the best available information and live by the results?

And WOMEN.

By HUH?

September 10, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Well, I have patiently waited for the General’s report, not drawing any conclusions, but I have to ask, why is it that since this Iraq thing started, ALL we have heard is manana?

By AmVet

September 10, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

There are a tiny few here, who distinctly remind me of the athlete who has to tell people how good he is.

And in many, many cases they are not all that good.

The truly great men and women NEVER mention their spectacular performances. They know people are smart enough to see for themselves. And if they are classy, they know that even as a superstar they can and do still stink it up from time to time.

Humility, respect, class. These are the hallmarks of these people.

The people who have to constantly tell you they are good, or in the case of this blog, patriotic, compassionate, courageous, etc. is no different.

Arrogance, intransigence and classlessness are the trademarks.

And again, people are smart enough they can see and judge for themselves.

catlady, even before I read your excellent point I remembered to add the word women to my point above!

Thank you.

By Dusty

September 10, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Amvet,5:38

Are you confused or something? I did not mention Clinton by name. You and TW immediately mentioned him. I, at least, did the courtesy of not mentioning his name.

When I wrote “Craig should get up and go and not make a fuss before a jury”. You thought that was support?

Then you suggest I go to Idaho and put him on a ballot? You are losing it, Amvet, if you ever had it. I don’t like Craig’s behavior and I don’t know a single Republican that does. I don’t think you do either. Yet you go into some kind of a spiel about keeping him in congress.

Amvet, you were rwisted when you were blogging as Huge and now you are worse. Do try and keep your accusations in order, not make them up as you post.

By Chickenhawks aint brave

September 10, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Here’s a Military Death Chart for you, since you love dead soldiers so much. Take a good look and tell us all how brave YOU are, watching others die.

By AmVet

September 10, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty, I did misread your post and humbly apologize.

Do you have any extra salty burgers to go with my serving of crow?

By @@

September 11, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Well Jim, it’s the day after the Democratic “storm”troopers on capitol hill.

Before I’m off the work I just had to say that I have never been more disgusted that I was with the Dem’s attack on Petraeus yesterday.

I can acknowledge frustration and disappointment for the Republican Party at times…even disgust with some reps within the party, but never disgust with the party as a whole.

The “Trashing of Petraeus” leaves no doubt in my mind that the Democratic Party is worthy of disdain.

I leave you with the words of Thomas Paine…

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

Thank you General Petraeus. You are a man of courage and honor in your service to me and all Americans.

By @@

September 11, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Aaaahhhh, I see where AmVet dropped by to share with us his/her words of wisdom:

The truly great men and women NEVER mention their spectacular performances. They know people are smart enough to see for themselves. And if they are classy, they know that even as a superstar they can and do still stink it up from time to time.

Humility, respect, class. These are the hallmarks of these people.

Let’s look at one of his/her stinkier moments when posting as Huge.

By Huge a/k/a AmVet September 29, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

So the frustrated bigot missed me today. Awww, isn’t that cute! I wish the nauseating thing would find someone else to gush over.

Don’t you worry your hateful little mind, potty mouth. I’ll be back sometime next week to humiliate you and your moronic friends further.

What topic should I choose that will amuse us? Anything that requires a modicum of intelligence. Maybe evolution vs. the existence of jesus? (Wow, you looked like a big time major league fool last night!) Or perhaps your definition of conservatism, (textbook or otherwise, is fine). Maybe all those CNN and lib lies about global warming.

So much stupidity and vileness from the far right to be exposed and so little time!

Now, go lie to your children some more.

Hold your nose AmVet a/k/a Huge.

Off to work…

By getalife

September 11, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

On MSNBC they are replaying OBL’s mass murder that lazy fred wants to give due process.

The rest of the gop, except McLiar,wants to give him amnesty.

Shame.

By Aquagirl

September 11, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Can we have a moment of silence amidst all the rancor here? 10:05 marks the time that the WTC South tower collapsed. But let us not forget, at 10:10 the passengers of flight 93 were winning the first battle of the war on terror. It cost them their lives, so it would be appropriate to remember them and all the others who made a sacrifice on this day.

By Political Foreskin

September 11, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Sometimes, I wonder who I am. I’m not any more qualified than anyone else in any arena or topic. I’m just a child of the universe.

I dont know what I am. I’m as useless as god in throwing dice, so I dont vegas.

I’m the first human to realize that god only exists because we exist.

There have been 100 billion humans that have ever lived, which is a small galaxy if you’re counting stars.

Mathematics describes the universe. Is that true? What does it mean? Why is math the language of the universe?

Take the energy/ mass equivalence: E=MC2. (Follow this and you’ll be a different person). The force of gravity is directly proportional to the mass of orbiting objects and inversly proportional to the square of the distance between them: E=M/C2. These two equations unify all the known forces in the universe. Einstein had his quest and didn’t know it. But you do.

We are radiation, which is light, which is magnetism, which is electricity, which is chemicals, and which is energy. All are the same thing, we are all the same person, identical in every possible way, making the same choices, but we are observed uniquely by other observers. You can only see yourself in the absorbed reaction as others observe you. That’s spin.

Christianity and Islam are mirror images of each other and identical in every way, but the observers spin differences. What was Christ trying to communicate? I’ve never heard a believable or sensible translation. Ever. I’ve only heard self justification and self pity, and hatespeak. HateSpin.

The light from a lightbulb is the same thing as the light from the sun. (just a different frequency or spin)

Light doesn’t reflect off of things ever. You have never seen reflected light. Light does not reflect. Matter absorbs light and then gives off it’s own light from the energy it had just absorbed. Everything glows from within on it’s own with only the absorbed light to power the glow.

If light could reflect, then everything would look white and you could see nothing at all.

You are the universe. All of it. Every second of the universe and every facet is in your existence, and you can move continents, galaxies, and God.

Time exists only in your imaginings. Your mind. Time is a construct. (And a poor one). There is no time, but there is spacetime. That’s how you can see 10 billion year old light from a star. The “time” is in the position of the observer. Wherever you are, that’s the time it is, and it’s different for all observers. (This was the lone insight that Einstein had when he finally realized how to form the language for Relativity).

God lives only in your observations. There is no plane upon which the face of God can exist without a man to observe it. God needs man as much as man needs God. Man vanishes, God vanishes. The universe experiences God only in the minds of man.

The universe was created when Man first observed it. Man is the universe.

Now for hell. Hell. Electromagnetic supernovas occur when the nerve-rich genitalia of humans interact and etch upon spacetime the history of procreation.

Babies: A human was not there. Then a human was there. An addition to the universe created from the universe, (matter cannot be created or destroyed, yet an entire 200 pound fat chick was suddenly created)?

We are etching our sins in spacetime with an electromagnetic pen. Imagine the chaos we create in the other dimensions of space (theorized) when we procreate. Sex. it sends off radio waves, x rays, and all kinds of electromagnetism. It lives forever as do all of our thoughts. Our thoughts are etched in a continuum of spacetime and are as accessible to god and readable by god as egyptian heiroglyphics are readable by us now.

Hell is real. Most of us are going to hell. We dont worship god, we imagine sex. Sex is a sin. Sex is our crucible. Sex is our irony. We freely give up our souls to satan for fleeting moments that exist only in our minds about who we become when we have sex. (rock and roll will never f’n die)

See you all in hell. I dont know god, I only know what man has told me about his plans for fornicators. I cant imagine giving up what I have been deluded about by the universe. I freely give my soul to satan so that I can hold an aging woman close to me and stare into her eyes for hours and hours which go by like minutes and i caress her as much as i want for hours and feel her - every inch of her in a glorious rapturous sexual stupor. When I’m with her, I feel that i’m the luckiest man (man man) on the face (face face) or the earth (earth earth).

By time to hang the yellow streaked leftist traitors

September 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

The demoNcrat scum yesterday relentlessly showed its true appeasing cut and run treasonous face to the world. Despite unassailable proof that the US military, along with increasingly more effective Iraqi units is now actually “winning” militarily a good many of these “elected” leftist vermin and their hate America far left paymasters treated Petraeus despicably. NO sneer/lie/distortion/half truth was too petty or to vile to be left ‘unpuked’.

The far left and their military hating demoNcrat congressional poodles are terrified that the USA will “win” - or at least completely turn things around in Iraq - which of course is electorally disastrous for the party of hate and cut and run. These perfidious COCKroaches have heavily invested in defeat and wont simply have it any other way!! Even more despicable is the gleeful way that the party of hate media ignored the leftist lies, hate and distortions yesterday - glibly and gleefully parroting the surrender monkey chorus.

Irrational psychotic Bush hate pathologically dominates these moronic small minded appeasing surrender monkey far left traitors. Imagine Eisenhower being treated like this back in the mid 1940’s.

By MLK, Jr.

September 11, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

By time for aborted foreskin to STFU

September 11, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

please would someone severely baseball bat aborted foreskin - before putting it in the ambulance taking it BACK to the state mental hospital.

aborted foreskin is by far the most imbecilic narcissistic self absorbed witless preening deranged nutjob I have ever seen in cyber space.

its execrable oafish cyber puke goes way beyond deranged … it makes precious spoiled brat gimme gimme shrill yanKKKee kiddies almost snigger look like little occasionally enlightened Bhuddas!!

By MLK, Jr.

September 11, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

By time for the plagiarising truth

September 11, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

@ mlk jr

did you plagiarise that abject cliched drivel too … like you did much of your dissertation?

talking of love bubbaturd - presumably you loved all of the willing harlots and w hores you cheated on that loathsome haughty snotty wife of yours with??

By Something to say

September 11, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Some leftist comments about Petraeus at truthdig.

Actually, the majority of what you see on his uniform coat are ‘I was there’ insignia, not denoting any special valor. Sorta like the luggage sticker’s of the 40’s to let folks know one was a world traveler. Means about the same.

I mentioned this before, but I’ll share it again. Between BetrayUS and Crocker, who are both so full of s**, all of Congress was at risk with the two of them there. One match, one spark from an errant fuse, and it would have all been over. Fertilizer bombs have created more destruction and carnage than all conventional armies combined. This b****** from them today is no different.

Why should anyone believe anything an active duty general that George Bush has put in charge in Iraq has to say?

This scum-bag would’nt make a pimple on Ikes a*!

All those medals on his chest must have leaked something into his body which ate a great big hole into his soul.

while I know that some folks have become dissatisfied with Move.on (Jimbob 99628) I’m only dissatisfied that they haven’t been able to go further, because of all the “political correctedness”.

Initially I, as a pretty hard-core Lefty, thought this ad a bit over the top for Move-On.

Until I listened to the b****** coming out of his and Crocker’s mouth.

Move-On had it dead right. And Petraeus should be stripped of his rank for being a traitor to his troops—just for political Brownie points.

General, let the blood of all the war dead from here on out be on your head and stain your soul.

He called the soldiers in Iraq part of the “next greatest generation” he read with his eyes down as if he didn’t know what he was reading. He led with perceived positives which can not be verified due to the “embedded” status of reporters. I judge the man a “shill” and his report a prevarication.

The dems D stands for despicable, deluded, deranged, disgusting, devoid, derelict, demented, deviant DAMAGED.

By Will Jones

September 11, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Petraeus, who admitted having known the Iraqi ammo dumps, since turned into IED’s killing thousands of American troops, were unguarded AT THE TIME and failed to have them destroyed, is the only sort of incompetent political general willing to serve the homosexual draft-dodger now cheated into the White House…who committed 9-11. The evidence is clear for any with an eye to see: Bush and Cheney committed 9-11.

Wendell Phillips (1811–84): Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.

Death for Treason

By WTF? Will Jones

September 11, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

You are an idiot!

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Gain Ground, Study Finds

Those who doubted the official explanation also tended to be low-income, single, and young. They most frequently associated with a liberal or progressive ideology.

Not to mention uneducated like you.

The poor exploiting the poor progressives.

Doofus!

By Will Jones

September 11, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

The link you failed to follow, WTF, is an article written by a PhD of unimpeached integrity, unlike the draft-dodging homosexual you slavishly “follow.”

The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True by David Ray Griffin.

Read it. Should you be unwise and continue to adhere to Tory ways, be quick and turn to prayer for history is preparing to repeat itself: That Whig America prosper Tory treason must again be extirpated. You are entitled to your own opinion, ad hominem fallacy tho’ it is, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Justice will out. Death for Treason.

By AmVet

September 11, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

That quote from Wendell Phillips is one of the finer that I have read here in a long time.

Perhaps it goes to the very condition of the United States of America today.

We live in a dumbed down age where more people are interested in mindless TV abounding with vapid, self absorbed posers than we are about the fate of our nation’s future.

I vote for continual oversight and unintermitted Agitation!