Thinking Right

By saywhat?

August 30, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Should Vitters resign too? Or should he be allowed to slide since his misconduct was heterosexual, and since a Democratic governor would be naming his replacement?

By Salinity

August 30, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Can an individual, especially one in public life, express values that he or she sometimes fails to live up to in private life, without being considered a hypocrite?

No, Jim..you are wrong. You can’t talk the talk and not walk the walk without being a hypocrite…and you can’t change the definition of hypocrite just because you agree with Craig’s public stance on gay marriage.

Craig obviously doesn’t value his marriage nearly as much as many monogamous gay couples…so he doesn’t get a pass here..

By Ray

August 30, 2007 8:57 AM | Link to this

Dittos, Jim - forgiveness is for girls.

Cheney/Satan ‘08

By Redneck Convert

August 30, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess Wooten is right about Sen. Craig and all. You can rip and roar all you want—just don’t get caught at it. If Sen. Craig would have been hitting on page boys in secret and made sure no one caught him at it, he could of been in the clear.

Where he showed Bad Judgment was hitting up people in a place where you do No. 1 and No. 2. It’s OK to vote against gay marriage and all, just don’t go around bathrooms looking for gay You Know What. You could get caught over using Bad Judgment. I mean, just look at how old Newt done it. He was blasting away at Clinton for having You Know What with that intern. But he knowed better than to go looking for women in bathrooms or anyplace public. So he didn’t get caught cheating on his wife and that made it OK. He could sneak over to a hotel room between votes and nobody was ever the wiser. Not even his wife. He used Good Judgment.

It’s OK for a godly Republican to run around like a dog in heat because they are in favor of godly things. You can’t expect them to be saints. For instance, you can expect a godly preacher to be hitting up the women in a church for You Know What. That’s OK, long as the preacher is telling people to do Right. You don’t have to follow your own advise, you know.

Vick is a diffrent story. The guy lost too many games and he didn’t take us to the Super Bowl. So he deserved to get caught and go to jail. If we would of won a couple Super Bowls I’d forgive him for killing about a dozen kids and raping a couple hundred women and maybe showing up on the field buck nekkid.

So in both cases it’s not what you done but how you went about doing it. That’s Wooten’s message and mine too.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Connect Vick and Craig with football/political terms, and then I’ll respect you as a writer, okay?

Terence Moore tried religion and football. Failed.

Let vick go. We’ve got a better q-back prospect playing right now. This guy can throw the ball fifty yards on a dime. We can win.

I haven’t made my mind up about our new coach yet. But I have a good feeling about him. I think he understands the game. Imagine that.

Jury’s out, but I like the way it’s shaping up going forward.

The Qback should never have to run, exceptin’ for the Q-back draw which is a rare play that should be called rarely.

Vick was a passing halfback. Period.

Move on. org, people.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

In the history of American politics we have seen so many of these type of situations. Water sports with Ted Kennedy, or a relaxing smoke with Marion Barry. But it is not up to the press, Congress, or you and I to ask for his resignation, but rather the people of Idaho whom he represents and elected him. They and only they should determine his fate.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Jimmy the Greek Wooten wrote that Vick doesn’t have the mental/emotional capacity to form the level of sophisticated sin that Sen. Craig does. Jimmy the Greek said that pure-bred Blacks couldn’t be coaches or Q-backs. Jimmy the Greek Wooten writes basically the same thing. (Let me read your rough drafts, sir, and I will help you avoid this kind of career ending gaff in the future).

That’s racism, sir. Bookman wrote about that very thing today in a blockbuster column, maybe the most important writing this year.

I’ve never met the black person that I’m any better than. Ever.

Hillary 08.

We’ve got a country to save, and a world to convince.

By Shar

August 30, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Senator Craig represented his constituents to their satisfaction for twenty-some years, longer if his state electoral positions are included. There have been widespread rumors about his sexuality for years, and Idaho voters chose to ignore them. Although solicitation of sex in a public restroom is repellant, it is also deeply pathetic, and the recklessness bespeaks the desperation of a person who is cripplingly lonely yet terrified of the consequences of seeking personal fulfillment in the straitjacket of a strict “family values” political identification. Is he a hypocrite? Yes. Is it hypocritical to call for his resignation and not Senator Vittner’s? Yes. Should Craig resign? No. Let his constituents decide whether his guilty plea is, as he claims, a “mistake”, whether his rumored sexuality bothers them or whether they value his service and experience over his private affairs, just as Senator Vittner’s will.

By J

August 30, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Can an individual, especially one in public life, express values that he or she sometimes fails to live up to in private life, without being considered a hypocrite? I say yes.

Of course you do, out of convenience - but the key word here is “considered”. He IS a hypocrite - as is Senator Vitter - whether or not you “consider” him one. And, therein lay the hypocrisy the GOP and its enablers are all demonstrating in broad strokes: Vitter and Craig both broke the law, and (lame “I’m not gay” protestations notwithstanding) both copped to it, Vitter in a press conference, Craig in a guilty plea.

But, for reasons of national politics (Craig resigning gets a GOP replacement, Vitter resigning gives Gov. Blanco the opportunity to appoint a Democrat) and ‘personal’ politics (straight vs. gay), the right is rapidly denouncing Sen. Craig while poo-pooh-ing Vitter’s “indiscretions” (as if visiting a high-priced prostitute, WHICH DON’T FORGET IS ILLEGAL, is some sort of impulsive spur-of-the-moment thing). It’s nothing but rank hypocrisy (not to mention homophobia) on a national scale.

Either they both need to resign, or they both can be forgiven for their sins if they own up to them. The GOP can’t have it both ways. Otherwise, it’s all hypocrisy and moral relativity…and, don’t forget, in each case the Senator’s actions (unlike a president getting overly amorous with an intern) were against the law*.

Was the GOP for moral purity before they were against it?

By Jim'sThinkingWrong

August 30, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Absolutely not Jim! When passing laws or legislation that affects the lives of each and every citizen in this country, those that have the power to create said laws cannot hold themselves to a lower standard than those they set for the rest of the country without being a hypocrite. Being against gay marriage, but engaging in bathroom stall promiscuity certainly qualifies the good Senator for the label of hypocrite.

By Angela

August 30, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

People are human beings regardless of what position they may hold in life. That having been said, human beings are falable. Senator Craig and Michael Vick are not exceptions, nor is anyone else standing on the moral soap box. When incidents such as these occur, it’s shocking, disgraceful and creates controversy, but we should never lose site that none of us should take a lynch mob posture. If the guilty party acknowledges the wrong and is willing to take the necessary steps toward redemption and ask for forgiveness, that goes a lot farther than someone who knowingly does wrong, subsequently misuses a position of trust and the associated authority and refuses to apologize now that’s when the American Public should stand up and scream at the outrage. Michael Vick deserves a second chance.

By Dave the First

August 30, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Its this obsession with other people’s sex behavior which will bury the Republican party.

Members of the Republican party are not clergy but seem to be held to the same standards.

Its not a party of conservatives, its a party of busy bodies.

By ghost rider

August 30, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

REDNECK CONVERT…

I believe you left out Mark Foley who was trying to hook up with young teenage pages, Bob Allen, another moral republican from Florida who offered $20.00 to an undercover cop to go down on him! Ohhhhhh man….Then there is RUDY married three times! Once to his cousin then having relations on the side while married to his second wife.
There are just too many repug hypocrites to mention….And, has anyone noticed the absence of all the right wing posters?

By AmVet

August 30, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

RCH, there was a post yesterday essentially saying the same thing - that Craig need only answer to the people of Idaho.

I simply can’t understand this reasoning. There are exactly 100 US Senators and in countless matters of state they represent ALL of us. They therefore answer to ALL of us, even though they were elected by the people of the state they hail from.

And as for who’s “authority” it is to ask for his resignation is irrelevant. Anybody of conscience could.

By Freddy K.

August 30, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

OK politics, all of them remind me of preachers,”Do as I say, not as I do.”. It is very easy to scream and shout about things, but it seems a large number of politicians seem to have a hard time living the moral lives they think the public should. Hell, they are all crooked as a snake. Let’s just get rid of all of them and start over. From what little I have seen them do in my life time, don’t see where it will hurt on thing. I have been over taxed and as many of us living today, I never agreed to be taxed in the first place. Seems like their was a revolution about that “Over taxation without representation”, but what we have not “Over taxation with damn poor representation”. Now back to the queer senator, he should resign, so his scream and shouts for morality will fall on deaht ears. He needs go go back to tater land and fade away.

By Freddy K.

August 30, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

I did not forget Vick, just tired of him. He is not worth all the coverage he is getting. Just tired, Wooten let’s find a new subject or a new chapter in the life of MV. Thanks,

By jm

August 30, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

I am sorry Mr. Wooten, but when you make moral superiority your party’s platform, you better be as pure as the driven snow. As we have seen time and time again, republicans sin just like everyone else. I don’t know (nor do I want to know) what went on in that restroom but for all practical purposes, Senator Craig ended his senate career with that guilty plea and should resign his position.

As for Michael Vick, he got paid to play a child’s game for a living.

By Can't Wait For 08

August 30, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

By Dave the First

August 30, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Its this obsession with other people’s sex behavior which will bury the Republican party.

Along with a whole laundry list of other things Dave the First.

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Good morning all. The most important argument here begins, “Can an individual, especially one in public life, express values that he or she sometimes fails to live up to in private life, without being considered a hypocrite?” “Hypocrisy” is cynically magnifying values one does not believe; merely failing to live up to one’s standards is not “hypocrisy,” but is “weakness.” One can reasonably condemn alcoholism, yet fall prey to its clutches without hypocrisy.

The second most important argument here is implicit, whether people in the public eye should be judged as role models. The alternative – that scuzzy people can be admired for their consistency, and that people who aspire to better should be condemned for failure to achieve – is ludicrous. Of course we should all aspire to be good and to do good; and of course we should not condemn those who fail despite a good effort. I think the quality of Sen. Craig’s effort merits scrutiny, without regard to the larger principle.

In Sen. Craig’s particular case, some of the “signals” are innocuous enough – putting one’s baggage inside the stall door, tapping one’s foot – and others are more problematic (at what point does checking the availability of a stall become “peeping;” I cannot justify the “footsie” under the wall, and the running the finger along the wall base sounds weird.)

As to Michael Vick, it is close to a sad old aphorism about redneck mentality – you can take the kid out of the ghetto, but you cannot take the ghetto out of the kid. Both Craig and Vick are comparable to, but less egregious than, the big news from roughly 10 years ago – presidential misbehavior, and OJ. President Clinton’s misuse of a young employee was merely another in a long line of sexual abuses. OJ apparently – I am still reluctant to embrace the likely truth – flew into a rage and committed the most heinous of crimes.

By @@

August 30, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Oh no Jim. We had this discussion at ml’s yesterday. From the conservative’s side…Craig needs to be gone. From the liberal’s side…he’s a hypocrite.

Moving on…

put $90,000.00 of “frozen popsicles” from Louisiana in that same grungy stall and you’ve got yourself two guys guilty of repulsive stupidity.

Jefferson was re-elected because the voters had confidence in his ability to bring home the popsicles. He’s a Democrat…frozen in time.

By WhiteTrasRacistBigotScumBagPervertRepublican

August 30, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Hell yeah it’s hypocrisy! You won’t see me hollerin about the evils of pornography right after I been lookin at those BBW pictures Dusty posts over on wifelovers. I ain’t no hypocrite about my joys and pleasures. And this good ole boy republicon will tell ya quick that if it ain’t white it ain’t right. Brown, black, red, yeller, I hate em all! Hell no I ain’t no hypocrite! And the rest of you true repuplicons out there need to stop being one of them hypocrites too. Stands up fer ya true leanins and beliefs.

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Dear Shar @ 9:35, well-argued, my compliments.

By James Carville

August 30, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

I agree Shar. Let Craig run again. I’m sure you have the support of the DNC on that one.

By ricktay

August 30, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

After just reading Linda Chavez’s ludicrous rant about how Craig was piled on by the “media frenzy” only because he was a Republican, and now Wooten’s pathetic statement that it is okay to be a hypocrite if you still push the same political agenda that Wooten likes.

Sheez Wooten, wake up. Your man Craig pushes his vision of puritanical sexual mores on the country and solicits sex in a public restroom. That is hypocrisy. But you Republican types are in complete denial of all things that don’t support your fantasy “want it to be just so” world. I truly think you folks are sick and unable to accept reality. Sick. Sick. Sick.

By WhiteTrashRacistBigotScumBagPervertRepublican

August 30, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Good republicons oughta take an example from ole RCH and his stickbud Andy. Them boys ain’t no hypocrites! They tell ya reel quick that they hate them mexicins. All yall other cowardly republicons need to quick bein so plitacal carwreck and stand right out there in the light of day with all ya perversions and hate. Then you can be a practicin true republicon values. Until ya start tellin the truth ya ain’t nothin but a bunch a chickensh$ts that ain’t standin up fer ya republicon beleefs.

By getalife

August 30, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

KO reads the police report dragnet style

Geez.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

AmVet Good morning. Although I would agree with you that the Senator makes national policy, he is still the voice of the people of Idaho. As previously mentioned, these remorse have been floating about his sexuality for many years, yet had has been reelected by wide margins.

Though he might be guilty of more serious charges( criminally or morally) he did only plead guilty to a mistermeaner not a felony. Let the people of Idaho decide who should represent them.

By Adam

August 30, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Hypocrisy is not the reason he should not continue to serve in the Senate. It is his Horrendously Poor Judgment that we should focus on. I would hope that everyone could agree that members of Congress have a duty to comport themselves in a manner that honors their position. Senator Craig was charged and plead guilty obviously hoping that he could avoid the publicity and when it didn’t work out then he whines about pressure from his hometown newspaper. Please!!

As he crys over and over “I’m Not Gay” he apparently misses the point. He wasn’t charged with being gay and frankly I don’t care if he is. What I do care about is his judgment or complete lack of. Either he lacks the judgment not to troll for sex in public toilets OR he lacks the judgment not to plead guilty to it.

If he were merely “outed” as gay I would have sympathy for him and would support his remaining in office. However this isn’t someone who just had an affair with another man he was attracted to. This guy was so indiscriminate all he could see of his “prospect” was his shoe. He didn’t care what he was or looked like.

We have openly gay Congressmen i.e. Barney Frank, and even openly effeminate candidates i.e. John Edwards. They continue to enjoy wide support within the Democratic party. But when their public behavior shows such wanton lack of common decency they don’t need to serve in public office.

By linda

August 30, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Craig and Vick are both liars. There is a ton of liars in the world but i think Vicks sadism and other traits - put Vick on a level by himself. Their character is so distorted they cant utter an honest word. No one expects people to be perfect but when you have some one as evil as Vick you get him out of society. Craig is just a shallow empy phony and he to will be shunned by society. Its not a matter of picking and choosing low lifes. Its not a matter of setting the bar so low of what we will accept. We can get rid of all of them.

By whocares

August 30, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

I wonder who are all these undercover cops they hire that go around and cruise bathrooms, like at the Atlanta airport. Sounds like people are just being setup. Besides if old man Craig wants to play around in a bathroom stall who cares!! Kind of like some of the hypocrites at my company. Some co-workers who carry a bible around their necks, but let me tell ya they are some of the main ones who comment adultery and are the easiest to hook up with in the parking garage at lunch.

By WhiteTrashRacistBigotScumBagPervertRepublican

August 30, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

I dun figgered this whole thang out! Ole Jim dun started feelin a little guilty and wrote this stupid story to make hisself feel better about his sinnin, race hate, and lookin at sister Dusty on that thar porno site. Next thang ya no ole Jim’ll be doin that Jimmy Swaggart thing and prayin to the almighty about his sinnin before him and Dusty bump them uglies. But if God is a republican like all us real republicans no fo sure, than Dusty and ole Jim ought to still get that ticket to tha promise land punched. They’s true republicons in their acts but they sho nuff are hypocrites in the public and when they down on that front row pew in the first babtist church ever sabbath.

By Shar

August 30, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Dear jbmlaw: Many thanks. I agree with your selection of the most substantive question in Mr. Wooten’s piece today, and your response piqued my curiosity enough to check the official definition of hypocrisy. Deriving from the Greek word for acting on stage, it means “feigning to be what one is not, particularly the false assumption of an appearance of virtue.” Your point about the closeness of weakness and hypocrisy is well-taken; however, Senator Craig’s role in enacting legislation seeking to discriminate against people who openly do what he did in secret pushes him over the line, at least in my mind.

Michael Vick, on the other hand, is more a liar than a hypocrite. His public persona, which advertisers and fans alike rushed to associate with, was consistent with the style of his actions. Unfortunately, those actions were felonious and repugnant, breaching both his contract with his employers and federal and state law. When caught, he lied. His recent apologies and profession of faith are being scrutinized for hypocrisy since they are inconsistent with his previous actions. His punishment will be decided by those he wronged (the legal system, the NFL and ultimately the fans) as should Senator Craig’s (the voters). They will judge the culpability and severity of the lying-weakness-hypocrisy spectrum, and impose their collective wisdom. If it were my own sins being judged, I’d much rather be subject to that group reflection than the sermonizing of the righteous, left or right.

To me, the suffering and self-revelation for both men may well ultimately make them better people and professionals. Then again, I don’t watch football or live in Idaho, so my views don’t count.

By @@

August 30, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

AmVet @ 9:54:

The post you referred to at ml’s was mine, and I stand by it. Craig is the voice of his district in Washington. It’s their call as to whether or not he continues to serve them. Just because he advocates family values doesn’t mean that is the only reason his constituents voted for him.

Now, if you want to say that as a group, ALL legislative members make decisions for ALL Americans, then I want every member of Congress who supports abortion, convicted of murder.

By J

August 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

jbm - interesting point. But I think one can argue there is hypocrisy in Senator Craig: his actions point one direction (not only does he appear to be gay, but he seemingly attempted to hook up in an airport bathroom), while he is one of the more reliably anti-gay Senators in DC.

While there is a certain chortle-factor to all of this, I ultimately feel badly for Sen. Craig. He is obviously very conflicted over who he is, and it appears that conflict has been with him for most/all of his adult life. And this certainly isn’t helping him be at peace with whom he is.

The broader hypocrisy, as I mentioned, is at the national political level. While I agree that politicians of all stripes are humans, and subject to the same failings as the rest of us, you have to keep the context in mind: Sen. Craig (and Vitter, and Rep. Foley, and Bob Allen) have aligned themselves with a political party that has elevated personal morals into an issue of national importance. As such, they’ll naturally be measured more harshly when failings such as these come to light. It may not be ‘fair’, but it’s the bed that the national conservative movement has made - and now they have to lay in it.

By Curious Observer

August 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

What a crock Wooten dumps on us today! It’s OK to prey upon the people with unctuous statements of puritanical values, but if you fail to live up to your creed, well, we’re all human and we fail once in a while. Hogwash! You can bet that if a Democratic senator had been cruising public bathroom stalls for oral sex Wooten would have been all over the story with condemnations and assertions of Republican moral superiority.

So where does it end? We have the godly Vitter, who apparently enjoys being forced by a prostitute to wear diapers while he has little baby “accidents.” We have Foley, who declared open season on teenaged male pages, all the while condemning gay marriage and homosexuality. We even have a male prostitute entering the White House dozens of times and somehow evading the Secret Service’s requirement for signing out.

This Republican Party has created the largest number of Elmer Gantrys in history. My God! Even a polished writer of fiction couldn’t create such a slew of characters without being ridiculed.

At least someone like Barney Frank doesn’t pretend to be a moral arbiter. And Frank’s, by the way, is the finest, most generous defense of Larry Craig I have read.

Bring on 2008. It’s time to consign this crew of perverted neocon hypocrites to the dust bin of history.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

*By WhiteTrashRacistBigotScumBagPervertRepublican *

Though I wish to stay on the current subject, I am compelled to answer your statement. Unlike most of you may believe I am not a Republican, rather put myself in the conservative libertarian camp. Secondly, I don’t hate Mexicans. I despise all illegal aliens no matter what nationality or creed. Since most illegals happen to be Hispanic, they must unfortunately wear that shoe. But most of all I hate liars, such as the gentleman we are discussing here or others who write on this blog maintaining a supposed knowledge of individuals. Enough said.

By deegee

August 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Regardless of Sen. Craig’s sexual preferences, isn’t it enough to make us wonder why he would make a practice of engaging in promiscuous sex with strangers in public places? Can you imagine waking up to a headline reading that Sen. Feinstein was caught picking up strangers and doing them in a bathroom somewhere? I don’t think she would last very long in Congress and I don’t think that the Wootang Gang would defend her by saying, “It’s human to aspire to be better than we are, even when our own flawed judgment and choices occasionally reveals otherwise.”

By DD

August 30, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

After illegally invading a country our whole country has lost credibility. Hopefully, when the current hypocrites are out of the White House, we can get it back.

By James Carville

August 30, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

And we certainly hope that Jim Craig continues to be the voice of his district in the next election too @@. Better to run against an admitted pervert than whatever new “family values” Republican that can be trotted out. But political common sense and logic says get his azz oughta there if you want to keep his seat on your side of the aisle. But we here in the Democratic party are all for you if you want to “stand by your man”.

By J

August 30, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

BTW, shouldn’t we all note that the voices “piling on” Sen. Craig and calling for his resignation are mostly from the GOP side of the aisle? I, personally, am agnostic on the matter - and I agree that the issue is up to the voters of Idaho. But, most of the condemnations of Sen. Craig have been from “conservatives”…most of whom were conspicuously quiet when Sen. Vitter’s name turned up in the DC Madam’s little black book.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

By Really RCH

August 30, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

“Though he might be guilty of more serious charges( criminally or morally) he did only plead guilty to a mistermeaner not a felony. Let the people of Idaho decide who should represent them.”

Craig pleaded guilty to being Mister Meaner!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Now what should the voters of Idaho do?

By Jackie

August 30, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Please add Dubya and his Administration to list of those who have a major image problem. He proposed to the Congress and need for an ADDITIONAL $50 Billion dollars for Iraq, yet, he says $22 Billion dollars for health care in the USA is wasting taxpayers money. They promises made to those in Louisiana and the no-bid contracts given to Haley Barbour’s family in Mississippi is breath-taking. The House of Representatives has an image problem because they refuse to remove these criminals from office.

By JK

August 30, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Deeegee, great point about Wooten’s double standard! Would he explaining human frailties in his column if it were Feinstein or ANY other Democrat doing the nasty with strangers in the bathroom? HAHA! True to the “It’s different when WE do it!” policy of right-wing America, he’d be spitting louder than a wet cat in a room full of vacuum cleaners.

By sct

August 30, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Republicans are demanding Sen Craig resign for tapping his feet. He did not expose himself, he performed no sex act.

Meanwhile, silence on Sen Vitter and no calls for his resignation for his admitted nasty sexual acts with a female prostitute.

“Family Values” has become the PC code words for “We hate f ags.”

Lots of hypocrisy here.

By @@

August 30, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

James Carville:

So you would argue that I should advocate dumping Craig in the interest of the Republican party rather than surrendering that decision to the people who voted for him.

Interesting. Kinda reminds me of the Democrat’s stance on Iraq.

Opportunistic politics.

No thanks, what’s right is right.

What’s left/wrong is you.

By getalife

August 30, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

It is the ignorant gop base of haters that will demand this pervert to resign.

I guess wearing diapers with a prostitute is ok because it was a female prostitute.

The dems should use that 50 billion wasted in Iraq for children’s health care Jim hates so much.

Like I said before, wingnuts have chosen the wrong path, the highway to hell, if you will.

By Dee

August 30, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Just for the record, I don’t know who Larry Craig is, but if he is a politician, I would not have any confidence in him anyway, because most; if not all politicians can’t be trusted, so there is no credibility to start. But on a much better note, Michael Vick has not lost any credibility in my book, because I don’t consider what he is allegedly accused of as an official crime. This is something that has been created by them peta folks who probably can’t relate to another hum, so they relate to an animal. He is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league; and that should be the extent of any judgment placed on him. He was introduced to us as a quarterback and he is more than proven that he can complete that task. People just look for reasons to hate him because he is Black and rich. Give it a rest people. Vick is much too talented to not return to the NFL, so all those haters who are responding to those polls that don’t want him to return, are just crazy. Most of them probably don’t know anything about football.

By GreyGayGeek

August 30, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

I guess “Dee” stands for “Dumb”.

People aren’t “haters” because Vick is black and rich. People now dislike Vick because he’s a LIAR as well as viciously cruel to defenseless animals.

By HRC

August 30, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Where and when was Senator Vitter charged?

What were the charges?

When was he indicted?

When did he enter his guilty plea?

By jeed

August 30, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

How in the hell is this a responsible headline for AJC/AP:

Most Fans Don’t Want Vick Back in NFL

Disclaimer at end of article: The survey involved telephone interviews with 1,001 adults from Aug. 23 to 26. The overall margin of sampling error was plus or minus four percentage points. The organization did not immediately provide the margin of sampling error for the 520 pro football fans questioned.

• Who were these adults? How do we know they were “fans.”
• Even if they are fans, are they FALCONS fans? There are many reasons a fan of an opposing team should not want Vick back.
• 1,000 people were asked? Do they realize about 70,000 fill ONE football stadium - that’s not accounting for fans who watch by TV. Point: Your SAMPLE SIZE wasn’t large enough.

D-mn! Statistics can played so many ways. “Most fans don’t want him back.” NO, how bout “580 random people, not 1% of the GA DOME’s seating, don’t want him back.”

SHADY MEDIA

By Whitie not playin' that

August 30, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Dee, give up the race card on this one, yo. Tell me I didn’t see tons of white kids all over Georgia wearing number 7 falcon jerseys the last couple of years. If a black man can get that kind of cheese and get treated like a hero for throwing a ball and scrambling for a few yards, then he’s not the victim of your imagined prejudice. Sure, racism still exists for some people in America, but if blue-collar white folks are paying their hourly wages to see you every weekend and buy your over-priced merchandise, you ain’t one of the victims, yo.

By Why

August 30, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Why are all these white men getting (or trying to get) their rocks off in public spaces.

Straight thuggin’.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Dee

Do you watch NFL football. At best Mike Vick is an average quarterback. In another two to three years his legs will be of no use. He will not be able to run and he can’t throw. Yes he was exciting to watch, but that does not take you to the playoffs or win Superbowls. Flipping off the crowd also does not endear you to the fans. Give it up. He’s gone.

If you want to play the race card(black and rich), Oprah would not have a show. Most of her audience is white.

By JC

August 30, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Sen.Criag Should be able to be gay if he wants to. But he should resign because he broke the law for soliciting for sex in a public airport restroom, and he pleaded guilty to it. You can’t write laws against sometihing that you yourself is actively involved in and not be a hypocrite. When Sen.Criag was put in office he was not there to make laws just for Idaho voters. He helps pass laws that affect the whole country. So it should not be up to the Idaho voters to determine if he stays in office or not. The laws of congress should make that decision. This don’t in anyway connect to Mike Vick. Vick is a football player. His playing football don’t affect peoples lives the way Sen.Criag does.

By Katharine

August 30, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

I don’t put anything past the sleazebags in Washington, but as a taxpayer I don’t want to subsidize undercover police lurking in airport men’s rooms. The Republicans are falling prey to the police state they have created.

By blady

August 30, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Jim, you should read your colleague, Jay Bookman’s column regarding racism. He’s captured, in a intelligent nutshell, what you incapably missed by a long shot. Wake up man, it’s 2007! No intelligent person believes that the color of one’s skin determines their intellectual capacity.

By Carole

August 30, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

I do know you RCH, and you are everything that the man said you are. I have PERSONALLY endured your skinhead rants and racial invective directed at Mexicans and was present the day you finally lost it and shoved Mrs. Vasquez to the ground. For 3 years we endured your crap RCH. But fortunately you are now gone and free to draw that unemployment check that allows you to continue your BS through blogging 24/7. You are scum RCH.

By JT

August 30, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Kudos Katherine! You nailed it.

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

I say we lynch Michael Vick, but castrate him first - lots of us bubbas out here would pay good money to have that n-word Vick’s tallywacker for a pacifier. Donald Trump, Rudi Guiliani, Ted Nugent, Hank Williams Jr., Toby Keith, that Idaho Senator guy, hell they’d be millions biddin’ on it. Especially if’n they took food stamps.

Give the $$ to charity.

By dawg_gone_truth

August 30, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Can someone tell me what the difference is with what the Senator did and the guy trying to pick up the lady in the waiting area? so senator tried to get some sex in the airport with a dude and its sooo bad, but business man, tries to pick up lady in waiting area while the flight is delayed, if he succeeds he is going to want to take her somewhere and bang her, and that is okay, and happens everyday, but you don’t see cops waiting to bust him. If you want to pick up someone for a quickie and they agree and you don’t get caught in the act of intercourse then its okay. Although I personally don’t prefer peckers, it his business and what he likes so let him be.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Carole For the fun of it,please tell me about myself;age, type of cat I drive, weight etc.. I am meeting someone from this blog and we will see if you fit with this Mr. Patel in the category of the group we are discussing.Liars

By Captain Freedom

August 30, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

THE Captain hangs his head in despair as he casts his eye on the recent string of True Believers caught in the web of corruption, sexual deviance, and other such peccadillos.

Abramoff, Ney, Cunningham, Lewis, Renzi, Stevens — Godly Men caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

Allen, Foley, Craig, , Dreier, Lindsay Graham — decent God Fearing men who were caught with their hands in other men’s trousers.

Then there’s Ralph Reed, who apparently belongs on both lists.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Godly Sen Vitter and his frisky diaper play.

Good Lord, THE Captain wonders if His GOP has erected (pardon me) too big a tent. Perhaps everyone in the GOP is either corrupt or closet gay or needs to be dressed in a diaper to properly service their women. THE Captain wonders whether, as a life-long Godly Right Thinker, he too might not suffer from one or more of these weaknesses.

Question: May I remain in the Republican Party if I only suffer one of these faults, or is it necessary to embrace two of the above? May I stay if I steal, but resist the siren song of putting other men’s little soldiers in my available orifi? OR should I follow the lead of Godly Ralph, and go for the double whammy?

THE Captain knows full well that he has never stolen anything from his workplace. This fact alone creates even greater despair, in that it leaves the other options on the table.

It is a day for soul-searching in the GOP, and THE Captain dreads where this may lead us.

If any Right Thinking True Believers wishes to commiserate and pray over this question, please meet me at the mne’s room in Concourse B, across from the Chili’s Restaurant. We can get some nachos afterward.

By Captain Freedom

August 30, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

THE Captain’s state of disturbance is exacerbated by the question of what kind of cat RCH drives.

{{{{shudder}}}}

By WhiteTrashRacistBigotScumBagRepublicanPervert

August 30, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

DawgGoneTruth is a dang good republicon fer comin right out and sayin what all good republicans like me an him already no. Everthang is ok if yer a$s is down on that front pew down at tha 1st baptist on the sabbath. If ya do that ya can do anythang else ya want to the next 6 days of the week, hell, even right after sunday service as long as yer a$s is back in the 1st baptist the next sabbath. All us true republicans no that much! Dawggonetruth and me we tell it like it is. We ain’t no hypocrites are we Dawg_gone?

By Curious Observer

August 30, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Where and when was Senator Vitter charged?

It has to be a criminal offense to warrant removal from office? How about the offense of moral hypocrisy? How about the fact that most of us don’t want such a pervert to be determining the moral and legal code we must live by? If I want a legislator who enjoys filling up his diaper in front of a hired woman, I could name just about any 1-year-old with a nanny or a babysitter.

Such excuses for Vitter are as inane as TFTT’s blatant racism, always accompanied, of course, by his excuse that he is merely telling the truth and therefore not engaged in racism.

I suggest a revision of the Republican Talking Points if this is the best the GOP can do to explain the refusal to take action against Vitter. How about the truth? The Republicans know that a Democratic Louisiana governor would name a Democrat to replace Vitter, while they also know that a Republican Idaho governor would name a Republican as Craig’s replacement, thus gaining a head start for that replacement in the 2008 election.

By Carole

August 30, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

RCH, we all know what lies about yourself you have told here. You might be 28 now and that old Miata that you drive is pretty old. You have a shaved head, one of those scraggly little goatees, and some jailhouse looking tatoos that you tried unsuccessfully to hide but couldn’t. So now go ahead RCH and gives us your fantasy version of yourself that we have all heard all too many times. I know who you are, what you are, the person you are, and your history. At least the 3 awful years that you held our office hostage with your racist viewpoints.

By time to exterminate all HATEMONGERING liberals

August 30, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

@ WhiteTrashRacistBigotScumBag DEMON_crat

time to have your head sliced off towel head terrorist style.

huge towel head smirk

funny how the repulsive leftist vermins’ collective hypocrisy on here never ever ends.

yesterday some snivelling little f aggyturd was bleating just like a shrill Elizabeth heffalump Edwards clone that can’t handle Ann Coulter’s rampant hilarity about my “hate”. And another unfortunate abortion bucket escapee Bushwanked puked up more unhinged lies about my supposedly “racist posts”. Even after it was directly challenged to puke up defence of its witless lies it slithered away silently like the typical gutless leftist lying snake.

Yet these scum and the rest of the leftist scum on here NEVER EVER say anything about the unremitting leftist hate, graphic leftist homosexual abuse, obsessive ‘personal’ hate posted about conservatives on here who do NOT use entertaining smackdown imagery at their crawling maggotbrained liberal enemies.

liberal moral fascism - along with hate America appeasing - is what these knuckle dragging pinko surrender monkkkeys do best. Anything they do is super duper cool - anything their conservative intellectual and genetic betters do is evil, nasty and hateful - bleat bleat bleat.

As I keep pointing out we have a vaccine for rabies, cervical cancer, polio, smallpox etc - why not one for liberalism????

Would some please immediately douse rovespenisenvy/aborted foreskin with some stale petrol and then throw a lighted Swan Vesta on it …

thanks very much!!

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

The level of ignorance displayed on this blog is frightening.

Castration has nothing to do with removing the male sexual organ, only the testicles. Of course what would you expect from someone imitating a Georgia native?

Hypocrisy was accurately defined by jbmlaw, but the left here tends to ignore the meaning of the words they use.

DD, you charge the US with illegally invading another country, so how do you feel about illegal immigrants? Does the same standard apply?

Katherine, rather than have undercover officers in airport restrooms are we to assume you would rather have your children subjected to the behavior of these cretins while you travel?

So, with all the hatred aimed at Jim Craig and his position on same-sex marriage, are we to assume those of you in opposition think a homosexual is too uninformed to vote on such an issue?

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

The level of ignorance displayed on this blog is frightening.

Castration has nothing to do with removing the male sexual organ, only the testicles. Of course what would you expect from someone imitating a Georgia native?

Hypocrisy was accurately defined by jbmlaw, but the left here tends to ignore the meaning of the words they use.

DD, you charge the US with illegally invading another country, so how do you feel about illegal immigrants? Does the same standard apply?

Katherine, rather than have undercover officers in airport restrooms are we to assume you would rather have your children subjected to the behavior of these cretins while you travel?

So, with all the hatred aimed at Jim Craig and his position on same-sex marriage, are we to assume those of you in opposition think a homosexual is too uninformed to vote on such an issue?

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

The level of ignorance displayed on this blog is frightening.

Castration has nothing to do with removing the male sexual organ, only the testicles. Of course what would you expect from someone imitating a Georgia native?

Hypocrisy was accurately defined by jbmlaw, but the left here tends to ignore the meaning of the words they use.

DD, you charge the US with illegally invading another country, so how do you feel about illegal immigrants? Does the same standard apply?

Katherine, rather than have undercover officers in airport restrooms are we to assume you would rather have your children subjected to the behavior of these cretins while you travel?

So, with all the hatred aimed at Jim Craig and his position on same-sex marriage, are we to assume those of you in opposition think a homosexual is too uninformed to vote on such an issue?

By robo

August 30, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Criminal pro athletes. Criminal pro politicians. No difference.

Wow, you morons are just figuring that one out? I’ll bet they are little Jimmy’s “role model”, right? Or maybe the pastor used their “work” in a sermon about family, huh?

Attention: Politicians are crooks that sold you out long ago for their personal power, and pro athletes play a kid’s game for money, not your enjoyment. Got that?

By James Carville

August 30, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Curious observer, congratulations on your knowledge of political realpolitik, as well as once again shining the light of truth on the “family values” wing of that “moral majority” or whatever that gang of con men and hypocrits are calling themselves theses days.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Carole Forgive me other intellectual bloggers. Carole; either you are a complete fool or a compulsive liar. Take your pick. Not even close!

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Did not post 3 times but then again I was not even trying to post that the 1st time. Computers…

By Realist

August 30, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Does anybody even read TFTT’s dribble anymore?

By time for the harsh truth

August 30, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

I see the putrid abortion bucket escapee peeping tom is puking up more witless pathetic lies about my non-existent “racism”.

GIVE ME AN UNASSAILABLE EXAMPLE - you noxious deranged dissembling dogturd!!!!

My comments about hippety hop thugs, illegal mexican type leeches and racist black racial spoils bigots are NOT “racist” in any respect whatever. Sardonic, mildly disparaging banter mixed with factual mockery is perfectly fair comment.

WITLESS SCUM like you have been conditioned ,like rabid pavlov’s dogs to equate any/all legitimate criticism of blacks/mexican type illegal leeches with racism.

HOW COME worthless prevaricating SCUM LIKE YOU never ever condemn black racebaiters on here???

Its easy to screech ‘r a c i s m’ like a demented parrot. But the true racists who are invariably shielded from liberal hate are the black racial spoils crowd and the mexican type leeches who endlessly racebait and indulge in bigotry … but hilariously sad dishonest wankers like you will never ever admit this, no matter how much of a trendy lefty pandering wankpig you are!! because the despicable ‘anti-racist’ only whites are racist brainwashing ois all you execrable dickheads can process!!

Remember black racists only see whites … not craven vote buying lefty panderers!!!

hopefully there was more than enough “hate” in this post - if not let know and maybe I’ll see what I can do a bit later!!

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

A cop at a police road block caught me driving with saggy pants. The judge suspendered my license.

The police had set up a DUI trap road block thing, and I managed to walk in a straight line, no problem, but I failed to jump up and down without my pants falling down, which is the new road test for saggy pants.

I am remorseful. I’ve found Jeansus, and I expect to move on. org.

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

TFTT’s been upset here lately, what with her arraignment on the Hartsfield restroom charges. S/he thought if s/he swallowed the evidence s/he could get off (and s/he did, but not from the charges). Anyhow, her protein intake is down a little bit, and that messes with her blood sugar. And s/he’s still got court, and her lawyer wants her to wear pants, which always gets her in a tizzy. Hopefully, s/he’ll get a GOP judge - he’ll probably let TFTT do community “service”, if you get my drift…

By sliver

August 30, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

As usual, old wooden head and the repukes live by the double standard. Their capital gains special 15% tax rate is too high, but the poor do not pay enough at 35%. They condem homos, but secretly sneek into mens bathrooms at airports to suck you know what. On the rare occassion when they actually engage in hetrosexual acts, it is mostly with w*******. War is great as long as the poor are doing the fighting and dying. Hey people, cancel your subscriptions to the ajc until they fire wooten and its ilk.

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Numerous bloggers today seemingly find it incredible that Mr. Craig would/could plead guilty to a charge of which is innocent. I do not find that incredible. When I review evidence with a client, in my effort to form a defense, I often hear, “well, what if I plead guilty anyway?” Only once have I knowingly pleaded a client guilty who protested his innocence. I affirm that everyone charged considers the possibility, without regard to innocence. Our prosecutors often make deals for us that hardly hurt our clients in exchange for a plea to avoid the expense and aggravation of trial. As I always caution my clients, “if a police officer testifies, you will be convicted, even if you are innocent.” Not that I am so fond of police officers, but that is just a fact of court. I certainly can imagine Sen. Craig pleading guilty to a charge where he is really innocent.

Dear Shar @ 10:46 and J @ 10:41, I offer only a weak defense of Mr. Craig’s “hypocrisy.” Since he is from Idaho I suspect he may be Mormon, and opposed to homosexuality for truly-felt religious reasons. It could be that Mr. Craig is cynically aware of his own predilection for physical affection from his own sex, yet for purely political reasons favors constrictions on people who behave the way he likes to behave. That construction would constitute hypocrisy for me. If, on the other hand - and please forgive my psychobabble - his legislative efforts are a projection of disgust for the evil he sees within himself, I am less likely to charge hypocrisy than weakness. I don’t know whether I feel sorry for him or whether I think he is “just like all other politicians.”

Dear deegee @ 10:41 and JK @ 11:02, you choice of Dianne Feinstein is curious to me. Feinstein, due to her recent judiciary committee support of an appellate court nominee (opposing the rest of her party on committee) is perhaps the most popular democrat senator (not named Lieberman) among republicans now. She certainly is embroiled in a scandal, apparently using earmarks to send her husband’s business $millions in government contracts. You uncharitably assert that Mr. Wooten (and similar, like me, of his ilk) would be relentless in our persecution of the character flaw. In fact, I do not recall commentary by Mr. Wooten, although I think I have noted the controversy here. I think we are innocent, and are wrongly stained by your false characterization.

By Tommy Waters

August 30, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

And I guess all of the rest of us are just going to trust you, huh, RCH. I know you too. And Carole is spot on. Remember me RCH?

By time for the harsh truth

August 30, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

whatever did RCH do to this sick and twisted obese sad cowbitch caroline??

did he instantly and ungraciously dump your whiny uber jealous blubbery cellulite ridden lardarse after a much regretted very drunken one night stand love?

the garbage you are puking up is true unhinged hate. you must be some hideously ugly butch feminazi d ike to be this obsessed about a complete total stranger!!

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

DemDems - whatever, bubba. Tell you what - you take the balls, I’ll take the tallywacker, we’ll both be happy - it’s all good.

The South Will Rise Agin - ‘specially we get us some of that Vick mojo!

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

RCH

Facts and history are lost on Liberals.

Socialism is an abject failure in the history of the world.

Is anyone attempting to sneak into China? North Korea? The former Soviet Union? Venezuela?

Are our citizens going to Canada or England for medical procedures?

Why don’t some of the liberals here go to China and start a business? That is a booming economy but the problem is the Chinese government will not allow them to do so.

US=evil in the minds of shallow thinking liberals and socialists.

And the example of Diane Feinstein hooking up in an airport. Please, not even a giggolo would do such a thing.

Amvet, Senator Craig represents the people of Idaho, not you or me unless we live in his state. You may not like that fact but the truth is often difficult for you Libs.

By Clouseu

August 30, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Well well well. RCH and time for the harsh truth, aka Andy are one in the same. Typical RCH bs I might add.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Tommy Waters Do you concur with Carole’s description. ( Might as well get all the liars or fools at once.)

By Bobby Cox

August 30, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Could somebody put me in touch with RCH? Next time I decide to beat up my wife I’ll need some pointers.

By New to the Blog

August 30, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

A friend of mine told me this was a good blog to see how southerners think - I had no idea that there were people so backward and cruel in the United States of America.

Wow!

By James Carville

August 30, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

Hey demdems4ever! We “dems” are 100% behind your idea to let Jim Craig keep his seat. It is almost a wet dream for us if he actually runs again. Hell yeah let him stay. RUN JIM RUN!!!!

By time for the harsh truth

August 30, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

kind a nice to so effortlessly goad a depraved leftist young boy child rapist like typical GA incestredneKKK into once again projecting its sick homo perversion onto this blog again.

any chance of incestredneKKK slitting both wrists properly (unlike that Wislon chappy the other day) whilst driving your rusty old Oldsmobile at 70mph+ into a Barak the big eared vacuous worthless magic negro petrol guzzling cavalcade??!!

huge smirk

By jm

August 30, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw@1:01 - just a hypothetical, assuming you were Senator Craig’s counsel, would you have advised he plead guilty? Regardless of his actual guilt or innocence, considering his position and the views of many in his party (and the atmosphere in D.C.), the charge itself, let alone a guilty plea makes him radioactive.

By Tommy Waters

August 30, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Yes I do RCH. Worked with you at your old job. Remember? But you are more than welcome to tell us more of YOUR lies RCH You alway were a legend in your own mind. We all realize that it had to be an awful time in your life when the Latina and Indian girls in our office that you wouldn’t leave alone spurned and laughed at you. But you really had no right to assault Mrs. Vasquez. So take this to the bank RCH. Everytime you start spouting off in this blog or any other forum that we can find you in, your former co workers will shine the light on your cockroach azz. You don’t have many corners left to hide in do you RCH. You are one pitiful little perverted abuser.

By antiRCH

August 30, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

RCH you probably just need to go away. You were exposed a long time ago. Are you stupid or something? Go to another blog where you can live out your fantasy life and elevate your self esteem. Everyone here knows that you are a poser of the 1st magnitude.

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

Typical..

With no knowledge of your type of sexual behavior but familiar with the heterosexual world I am forced to wonder just what you are talking about in your post.

I am a “soft option” guy, and apparently unlike Senator Craig, I am sure of this one fact.

Instead of anger aimed at the Senator, pity might be more suited to this situation.

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Hey - lay off’n that RCH feller. So what if he knocks women around, they was them Hispanic-types to boot.

He’s just a good ol’ boy - hey RCH - go on down to Piedmont Park - put a shout out for my buddy TFTT - s/he could shore use some cheerin’ up, and so could you, I bet.

By Robert Wingard

August 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Bobby Cox, RCH once told us all that he would meet anyone anytime, any place. Of course when someone actually called him on that one he crawled up under Wootens skirt and tried to weasel out of it by saying that Jim Wooten would have to arrange it and be there so old RCH couldn’t get hurt. Does everybody remember that RCH classic? LMAO! Of course he can always give you that advice in writing. I’m sure that he would be glad to share that with you.

By Quincy

August 30, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

RCH is funnier than Barney Fife.

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Come on Dems - mebbe some o’ that Vick Mojo might get you harder than a steel spike, bubba.

Look - that Senator fella said he ain’t qu-eer, and I believe him. A little taste of manmeat every little bit in the mens room don’t mean you are qu-eer. I’m not sayin’ go crazy for it like my buddy TFTT, but a little change o’ pace never hurt a good southern boy like you or me.

I’m just sayin’.

By antiRCH

August 30, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Give the guy credit folks. After all, RCH is the inspiration for that show Liars and Fakes.

By DemDems4Ever

August 30, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Jsmes Carville,

I did not suggest Senator Craig should keep his seat in Congress. I simply made the point to Amvet that Craig represents the people of Idaho and not Amvet or me, unless we live in Idaho.

Why do Liberals read unspoken or unwritten thoughts into posts?

I frankly think if Craig attempts to keep his seat the people of Idaho will send him a message one way or the other.

Reality is the Republican party will be unlikely to support Craig and he would be forced to run as an independent.

Of course Joe Lieberman made a farce of you and your Democrat Party when he ran as an indepnedent so we will not know until ‘08.

By deegee

August 30, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

jbmlaw, the choice of Feinstein was arbitrary. I could have easily said Kay Bailey-Hutchinson. It wouldn’t have made any difference in the point I was making. A married female Senator that makes a habit of having promiscuous sex with strangers in public places would not finish her term in the Senate and you know it.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Tommy Waters, Robert Wingard

Lets try this again. Do you concur with the description of me by your fellow employee Carole?

By Alberto Gonzalez

August 30, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Mr. President, as su abogado, I recommend that you pardon Senator Craig. He is a fine example of Republican morals and values. A guy like that deserves your support.

By AmVet

August 30, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

To my friends on the far right unfamiliar with it, we have this document called the US Constitution that provides for our system of laws. Craig is a US Senator and is subject to the censure and impeachment by his peers.

Article 2, Section 4 of the US Constitution. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Impeached Senators

1st U.S. senator, William Blount of Tennessee, expelled by impeachment in 1797.

And notwithstanding this brilliance posted at 1:13: You may not like that fact but the truth is often difficult for you Libs. does not change that fact. So as usual it is the uninformed and sophomoric, who have precious little experience with the truth.

So please quit this ignorant claptrap about how only the people of Idaho are the determining authority.

By Adam

August 30, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Curious Observer @12:32 How about the offense of moral hypocrisy?

Well there’s a charge no one could ever level against a LibDem. They have no standards, no morals, no standing for principles. Whenever a LibDem is charged with something moral, legal or otherwise, the rest of the Democrat rabble is quick to close ranks and denounce the accuser of all manner of dishonesty and ulterior motive. It must be so easy to be a LibDem. No need to abide by any sense of decorum and cry indignation if anyone suggests otherwise.

At least the Republicans in Congress are standing by their principles and calling for Craig’s resignation. His mistake was being a Republican because if he were a Democrat he would have all of you intellectually dishonest apologists screaming in his defense.

By Brad

August 30, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

I believe the guy already concurred with Carole RCH. By Tommy Waters

August 30, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Yes I do RCH.

Does that simple sentence create comprehension problems for you moron. The ball’s in your court little man. Now either walk the walk or STFU. My bet is that we are going to get another classic RCH “anybody, anytime, anywhere” moment.

By Nate

August 30, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

I bet RCH is tryin to get Wooten to save him again.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Tommy Waters, Robert Wingard

Lets try this again. Do you concur with the description of me by your fellow employee Carole? Yes or No simpletons.

By the way it is very easy to see that under all these names is one individual, however we will kill all with one stone.

By jm

August 30, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

adam@2:07 - I guess you would have cast a stone.

By Brad

August 30, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Your theatrics are getting old RCH. Put it up if you got the goods little guy.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Not that I condone the Senators actions, but it is a far stretch to picture this as “a high crime and misdemeanor case.”

Sen.William Blount was found guilty “of a high misdemeanor, entirely inconsistent with his public trust and duty as a Senator,” because he had been active in a plan to incite the Creek and Cherokee Indians to aid the British in conquering the Spanish territory of West Florida; expelled from the Senate July 8, 1797; impeachment proceedings were instituted but dismissed; during the trial was elected to the State senate of Tennessee and chosen its president; died in Knoxville, Tenn., March 21, 1800; interment in the First Presbyterian Church Cemetery.

This is a far cry from peeking into a bathroom stall.If all Senators and Congressman where booted out of office for some type of misdemeanor the halls of Congress would be empty. If he doesn’t resign let the good people of Idaho vote their mind.

By Cindy

August 30, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Yeah, we got another RCH classic in the making here. Come on RCH. Tommy Waters clearly told you he concurred with Carole. It’s time to show and tell RCH. Otherwise we have no choice but to believe that you are exactly what a very large percentage of people on this blog say you are. A liar and a fake. Please hurry RCH. The rest of us have jobs and can’t wait all day for another of your anybody, anytime, anyplace moments.

By Adam

August 30, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

jm @2:24

It’s not about “casting stones”. He has plead guilty and he should step down. It’s sad to see anyone publicly embarrassed but he should now have the sense to stop further embarrassment and go away.

By BS Aplenty

August 30, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Just in from CNN, Sen. Diane Feinstein has agreed to pose fully-clothed for Playboy’s “Naughty Girls of the Senate” issue.

Hugh Hefner stated that Feinstein “had the Senatorial goods” to make the issue a success but there were contractual items still to resolve including vericose vein & liver spot coverage.

Feinstein’s press secretary, Iva Hankering, indicated that the Senator was receiving all necessary vaccinations for a photo shoot in the DNA-infested waters of the Playboy Mansion.

By Redneck Convert

August 30, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Well, today is ruint for me. I was using the bathroom at this place and I noticed some old gray haired guy peeking through the door crack. At first I felt kind of privaledged because I thought I was getting a visit from a Congressman. But it turned out to be just a old prevert that hangs around the place.

Anyway, all the Republicans on this blog is right. It don’t matter what they put in their mouth. It matters that they vote not to allow gay marriage. If we had that going on we would have some real sinning.

By Shar

August 30, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Dear jm@2:07 - Moral hypocrisy has dragged down many a politician, regardless of party affiliation, stemming as it does from the intersection of arrogance, self indulgence and rank stupidity. Sadly, those characteristics seem to entrench themselves in people who have been in positions of power long enough to forget that not everyone is a sychophant.

Political parties will support the powerful until the populace makes it clear that we’re not buying the pre-packaged story, at which point practicalities take over from priviledge. Otherwise both Gary Hart and Ted Kennedy could well have been elected President.

Calling for Senator Craig’s resignation and not Senator Vitter’s is questionable from a moral point of view. Despite both being strong “values” supporters, Vitter engaged in illegal, immoral sexual behavior and Craig is accused of trying to. The first has admitted it, the latter has not. In your opinion, is this consistent with “the Republicans in Congress standing by their principles”?

Both of these guys have been effective senators. I believe that their constituents should have the same opportunity to evaluate and choose their representative unimpeded by what the national party thinks is best for them.

By time to exterminate all HATEMONGERING liberals

August 30, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

time to have your head sliced off towel head terrorist style RCH if you don’t give it to these leftist vermin scumbuckets that are making a fool of you every single time they throw the big blue weinnie to you in this blog. You need to start reppin us mexican illegal maggot haters better if you gonna run with the brotherhood.

By jm

August 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

shar@2:50 - I think my post at 9:52 answers you question.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

A cop cited me for driving with saggy pants. The irony was that I was driving with a suspendered license.

By UGAlaw

August 30, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Just passing through today, but after reading all the get RCH posts today, I feel obligated to tell you RCH that you are painted into a corner. Nothing you can do now will do anything but make you look exactly as they say. You could claim to have met God and get God to post on your behalf and it would only look like a weak subterfuge. Even if Jim Wooten himself wrote a column extolling your alleged greatness it would only make the case that RCH has been Jim Wooten posting all along. They got you RCH. They have you where they want you. The best thing you can do now is disappear for awhile and hope to come back when your antagonizers are not around. They’re making a fool of you RCH.

By Shar

August 30, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

JM@2:56 - a fine post it was this morning, and one with which I concur except for your point about resignation. Idahoans have been believing Senator Craig’s denials of homosexuality for years, or perhaps they simply choose senatorial experience over purported sexual orientation. Or maybe the state is more liberal about gay issues than the rest of the country supposes. They have the right to make their choice again, if Craig decides he wants another term. The state Republican party will decide if they will support and fund his candidacy and, if they do, the voters will pick the candidate who best represents them.

Washingtonians chose Marion Barry. Louisianans chose William Jefferson and Edwin Edwards. I can’t imagine why they did, but it’s their right to do so.

It was my error to direct my post to you earlier - it should have been directed to adam. So sorry.

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Dear Curious @ 12:32 and Getalife @ 11:12, you both raise an appropriate question of moral rectitude. Hypothetical: a sitting US Senator, after an evening of partying, goes driving under the influence, accompanied by a young female intern. The senator veers off the road into a shallow body of water and the young woman drowns. The senator disappears for approximately 12 hour, then presents himself to authorities. He pleads guilty to a misdemeanor charge of, say, failure to report an accident timely, pays a small fine. How soon thereafter should he be allowed to resume his position as the senior of his party on the Senate Judiciary Committee? Is this hypothetical misbehavior greater or lesser than that of a bathroom sex-troller? Same penalty for each, or do you think one is more meritorious than the other (and why?)

Dear Rovespierre @ 12:55, funny lines, my compliments.

Dear jm @ 1:25, good and fair question. I would have offered the same counsel I give all: “if you are innocent, let’s fight it. At worst, make them ignore the truth to convict you.” And I would caution him that I believe he will be so-found guilty. At trial, although it is a high risk procedure, I do not discourage an innocent client from taking the stand; the judge does not want to hear me yammer, he wants to hear what my client has to say. My guess is that Sen. Craig would have been convicted even with my skills at his side, because his story – true or not – sounds implausible, and because everyone believes everything any police officer says. You cannot beat something with nothing. I am also always cognizant of my duty to communicate any settlement offer, and even to suggest that it is the best we can do; but the decision remains with the client.

Dear deegee @ 1:49, your argument is reasonable and I agree. I misread your earlier argument, because I made inferences from the facts you presented.

Dear Shar @ 2:50, I wish to magnify a single point in your discussion with adam: does it make any moral difference that Sen. Vitter acknowledges his weakness/crime/evil, and that Sen. Craig denies his?

By Typical Georgia Redneck

August 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

TFTT got off!

TFTT nacherly likes it a little rough. Turns out the guy they arrested TFTT with in the restroom was a colored preacherman. He was giving our gal TFTT a swirly in the commode while he was keelhaulin’ him so’s when the cop arrested her TFTT was drenched from head to toe s/he was havin’ so much fun. Her lawyer today said that TFTT was saved in the restroom by the preacherman and that the Revrend was baptizing her right then and there in the commode while s/he still had the spirit. You should have seen TFTT testifyin’ - s/he hollered “jeezus saved me” then started rollin’ around on the courtroom floor babblin’ even more incoherently than s/he blogs - it was quite a sight! The Judge, being a Gawdfearin’ Georgian, was moved, for sure, and he freed TFTT and the colored revrend too! Who’d a thought ol’ TFTT the atheist would become a sister in Christ? A miracle!

And who says they ain’t no justice in America!

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Who are all of the morons flaming RCH? I cannot find where any has posted anything of interest or even rationality. At least RCH articulates a position on the various issues. I disagree as often as not, but I don’t have a problem with any well argued view.

By RCH

August 30, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

* UGAlaw*

I appreciate your concern. Remember, I don’t have to prove who I am but rather who I am not. Its already done by their own admission.

Rather than attack or debate fact, their only ammunition is mud slinging which in this case will not work. You will see when the truth be told they will simply vanish back into obscurity and leave more room for the serious debater.

P.S. You don’t have a Pharmacy liscense from that school? Sorry couldn’t resist. GT grad.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

I was pulled over by a cop for driving with saggy pants. The irony was that I was driving with a suspendered license.

By time to gleefully butcher all leftist hatemongering turdburgling treasonous feckpigs

August 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

We urgently need to slice off the bulbous puss filled lice ridden carbuncle passing for the vacuous imbecilic head of the queeralicious impotent child rapist leftist dogturd sniffing aborted puff adder of an id thief.

the retarded deranged anal dolt who is ever more psychotically homosexually obsessd with RCH is text book material for a week of aggressive waterboarding, followed by a fortnight of electric genital torture, then three weeks of forced sex with queer bestial liberal scum like Bwarney Fwank followed by a non too gentle lethal gassing on CNN and then an HDTV special on HBO as its burnt to a crispy cut and run kritter in a Turdtha/Pelosibitch sized oven.

By jm

August 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Shar@3;20 - Edwin Edwards was a reasonably competent administrator who took care of the things his voters cared about. The fact that he and his cronies lined their pockets was overlooked because things got done. Mayor Berry was an old school populist that used city money to buy votes (one of the reasons the feds took back control of the D.C. city budget, which they has up until the 1970’s). don’t know enough about William Jefferson to comment.

As for Craig’s resignation, I don’t see how he can do his job effectively with this cloud hanging over him. That is why I think resignation is the best thing for him.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Oscar Wyatt tipped off Sadam Hussein about the impending 2003 invasion of Iraq. Oscar Wyatt and the McRoves are a-hole buddies in the oil of texas.

We have here the other shoe. A really big shoe. Right here, on our stage. A really big shoe. Non other than treason at the highest level of government: the Bush White House.

Does anyone doubt this? Doesn’t this story write itself?

Bush let Saddam know and how many men were killed because the enemy were waiting for us????

Just resign, bush. Cheney, get lost. Let Pelosi run things till Hillary takes over.

Dont embarrass yourself W. Just go.

By time for the truth

August 30, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

purely non political video - quite entertaining - shows how easy it is to escape from being caged if you know how.

a bit of gentle light relief!

http://www.lemaroc.org/videos/video-5Yd-IuZtRsc.html

By Carole

August 30, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

Another lie RCH? Didn’t you drop out of GSU. That’s what you told us when you were our coworker. You are really a piece of work RCH>

By Adam

August 30, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Shar @3:20 From a procedural point of view, I agree that it is ultimately the decision of his constituents that will decide Craig’s future if he does decide to run for office again. As far as I know, there has been no move on the part of the Senate to impeach him nor should there be. Beyond that I fail to see why any Senator, Republican or Democrat, should not have the freedom to call upon him to resign for conduct unbecoming a member of the Senate. Conduct that he has plead guilty to. I hold no difference in Vitter as he too has brought dishonor to his office by his admitted actions.

If hypocrisy were an impeachable offense they couldn’t get a quorum.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

A cop pulled me over for driving with saggy pants….then he noticed that my license was suspendered, so I tried to explain to him that I had a couple of belts earlier….. so he gave me a DUI…..

cant win

By RCH

August 30, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Carole

You and yours time is about up.You will be exposed for what you are. You can’t be that stupid so liar will be more appropriate.

Sorry Jim, fellow bloggers.

By AmVet

August 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Not that I condone the Senators actions, but it is a far stretch to picture this as “a high crime and misdemeanor case.”

Granted, RCH. And, obviously, he would not be found guilty of them.

My point is to expose this silly assertion that somehow the people of Idaho, and they alone, have the moral authority to throw out a US Senator found guilty of crimes/moral turptiude that fits the Constitution’s definitions.

BTW 45% of Idahoans think “wide stance” should stay in office. What in the name of (your favoite deity here) are they thinking? Why do I have the feeling that 95% of those are registered republicans?

It just goes to show that when it comes to blind obediance to an ideology and questionable morality, liberals have no monopoly.

But to me, this is why mainstream America is so distrustful of the far right in this country: Now, if you want to say that as a group, ALL legislative members make decisions for ALL Americans, then I want every member of Congress who supports abortion, convicted of murder.

Perhaps this is just more hyperbolic rhetoric, but it shows to me a reactionary, neo-conservative viewpoint so intolerant, so extreme and so repulsive that it must be exposed and fought against constantly by more rational and reasonable minds.

By Let's Face It

August 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Craig still has 45% of the Idaho vote - because he’s one of the best in the state. Most Idahoans can’t even walk on their hindlegs.

Idaho - the most northern state in Dixie. Nothing but trash and inbred cretins.

By Dan

August 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Another RCH anybody, anytime, anyplace moment from RCH. Imagine that. Just can’t do it at crunch time can you RCH? All mouth. You and Reggie Ball.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

Hitler once was arrested during the 1932 Octoberfest for saggy leiderhosen. While in prison, he wrote his manifesto, Mein Khaki.

By timetopissontheneoconscumandotherrepubicsublifeforms

August 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Did you know that all repuke senators smell like urine! Why? Because they have all been sneaking into the mens bathroom, sucking on you know what! Did you know that all UGAY graduates wear flee collars, sleep on the floor, scratch their heads with their hind legs, lick their own butts, slobber, shed ugly hair on the floor, and smell like wet dogs? All true, right woodenhead!

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Hitler was arrested in 1932 during Octoberfest for saggy leiderhosen. While in prison he wrote, “Mein Khaki”.

Heetler’s wife Teetler was blamed, but she claimed that Heetler wore his leiderhosen low because Mussolini wore his that way, but Mussolini’s wife, Pussolini, denies it, saying that nothing fit him very well, he was such a P….I…..G.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

This Texas Oil Tycoon story has legs, man. How did the Oil Tycoon know exactly when the invasion would occur? Bush, his a-hole buddy, told him, that’s how.

I demand the resignation of George W. Bush effective noon tomorrow.

Ditto Cheney.

Let the speaker take over till the ‘08 Elections.

‘muff said.

By Jackie

August 30, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Funny how the conservatives whine and moan when factual information is presented and the Constitution is used as a basis for the rule of law. They feel they are being put upon because they have no way to deflect the story but to us a tortured exercise in marketing hyperbole and vocabulary adjustment. On the other hand, when it is something they favor, the Constitution and rule of law rule supreme. Interesting concept!!!!

By Jackie

August 30, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

The Inspector General of Justice Department is investigating the testimony of Alberto Gonzalez, along with other actions taken while he was Attorney General. Dubya can not stop this investigation. The shoes are beginning to fall!

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Once again, funny, funny stuff from carole and Rch. Please dont stop your truly inspired exchanges. Best couple!!

again thanx.

By Rovespierre

August 30, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Wooten ask the wrong question about whether a man can espose a view publicly and then live a different lifestyle.

That’s the wrong question. The question to ask is should that man be held accountable.

BTW. I wonder what hand signal/gesture Sen Craig communicated or mimed to the cop?

bwa

By jbmlaw

August 30, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Dear AmVet @ 4:12. “hyperbolic rhetoric” on this blog? say it isn’t so.

Signing off, have a great afternoon.

By hmmm

August 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

“Let Craig run (and have a shot at his job)…but Vick should never play football again”…hmmmm both lied, but the congressman should keep his job?

By DemDems4Ever

August 31, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Amvet

The claptrap is yours.

You cite the Senate’s ability to censure or impeach, yet the fact is Senator Craig committed no crime worthy of impeachment. He is subject to censure but that does not remove him from office.

At this point only the people of Idaho can remove him unless he resigns. That is the truth you and your liberal friends refuse to recognize.

Read the comments here and you would belive Craig pled guilty to a sex crime. He did not. That does not mean I believe his story, just that he has not admitted being gay or soliciting sex in the restroom.

You, Amvet, just as the dopey James Carville, read into the post things not written. The Constitution always applies but only in instances covered by the language and Craig has committed no such offense.

By Sobecat

August 31, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

This a giant douche or turd sandwich argument. Who cares about either?

By gynger leanise

August 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

MICHAEL VICK FOR PRESIDENT! We love you, Mike, and accept you 100% with your imperfections. Those who don’t, oh well, your loss. Just as strongly as you feel against him, bunches and bunches of us are for him. Sorry. Like yo’ mama probably told you, if you ain’t got nothing good to say, don’t say nuttin’ at all…jealousy is not becoming.

By gynger leanise

August 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

MICHAEL VICK FOR PRESIDENT! We love you, Mike, and accept you 100% with your imperfections. Those who don’t, oh well, your loss. Just as strongly as you feel against him, bunches and bunches of us are for him. Sorry. Like yo’ mama probably told you, if you ain’t got nothing good to say, don’t say nuttin’ at all…jealousy is not becoming.

By gynger leanise

August 31, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

MICHAEL VICK FOR PRESIDENT! We love you, Mike, and accept you 100% with your imperfections. Those who don’t, oh well, your loss. Just as strongly as you feel against him, bunches and bunches of us are for him. Sorry. Like yo’ mama probably told you, if you ain’t got nothing good to say, don’t say nuttin’ at all…jealousy is not becoming.